By Nitya

Apr 25, 2008 9:52am

Clyburn Says Blacks Think Clintons “Hell-Bound” to Irreparably Damage Obama

House Majority Whip Jim Clyburn, D-SC, the highest-ranking African-American in the Congress, has some tough assessments of la famille Clinton today.

To Reuters, Clyburn — who is officially neutral in the Democratic presidential race — repeated the speculation that Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, is looking to destroy Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, so that Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., wins the White House in November and Clinton can make another run in 2012.

"I heard something, the first time yesterday (in South Carolina), and I heard it on the (House) floor today, which is telling me there are African Americans who have reached the decision that the Clintons know that she can’t win this," Clyburn said. "But they’re hell-bound to make it impossible for Obama to win."

Clyburn did not call for Clinton to bow out, just to take the rhetoric down a notch.

"There’s a difference between dropping out and raising all this extraneous scurrilous stuff about the guy (Obama). Just run your campaign … you don’t have to drop out to be respectful of other people."

Clyburn also took aim at the Clinton campaign’s sudden voting-rights fever for Florida and Michigan to count, even though those states disobeyed party rules and held contests in which no candidate competed and where, in the case of Michigan, Obama wasn’t even on the ballot.

"I think it’s so disingenuous … (adviser James) Carville and Sen. Clinton were all on TV. I’ve seen them two or three times this week, talking about counting Florida and Michigan."

Obama did not campaign in those states because the Democratic Party said Florida and Michigan wouldn’t be included in the formal tally for the nomination. "Her name was the only one on the ticket in Michigan and still 42, 43 percent of the vote was against her," Clyburn said.

To the New York Times Clyburn said there was a near "unanimous" view among blacks that the Clintons are "committed to doing everything they possibly can to damage Obama to a point that he could never win."

Clyburn also said of the many comments former President Bill Clinton has made about race — most recently his curious complaint that the Obama camp played the race card against him, then his denial that he’d said that — that "black people are incensed over all of this."

"When he was going through his impeachment problems, it was the black community that bellied up to the bar," Clyburn said. "I think black folks feel strongly that that this is a strange way for President Clinton to show his appreciation."

- jpt

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I think the Clintons are Hell bound to damage the Denocratic Party>
Obama08

Posted by: Thinking | April 25, 2008, 10:00 am 10:00 am

Mr Clyburn -
Why coddle Obama? Do you think the Republicans are going to be any better? I submit to you sir, that the Republicans do NOT need Hillary Clinton to bloody Obama’s note in November. They’ve learned how to do that very well on their own. So please stop making excuses for the man’s loss even before the national campaign has even begun.

Posted by: MM | April 25, 2008, 10:01 am 10:01 am

He’s right. …but if people have been blind to this at this point …(that it is about the Clintons…not the issues, the party or the country)
they probably aren’t going to wake up now.
Funny thing is I am pretty sure because of this campaign…and her continued attempts pretty soon she will be unelectable for her senate seat…
I don’t think that is spin…I think any republican could step up and beat her right now…never mind if she continues.

Posted by: dl | April 25, 2008, 10:06 am 10:06 am

Obama had done a great job of screwing things up for himself. Take away the race factor, he still associates with radicals that hate America.
And he still is far out of touch with small town Americans.
If you want to blame people for screwing up his chances give Rev.Wright a call.
I don’t care what color Obama is…I don’t trust him with the security of this country.

Posted by: cindy | April 25, 2008, 10:10 am 10:10 am

dl -
Another coddler. I’m telling you… Clinton’s slap on the shoulder now is absolutely NOTHING compared to the Republican’s slap on the face come November.
Obama is a big boy. It’s time he stood on his own 2 feet. Ms. Clinton has been taking it from the press the Republicans and [now] Obamamites for 16 years now and it’s irreparable when it’s Obama on the hot seat?
Please… you and Mr. Clyburn need to grow up.

Posted by: MM | April 25, 2008, 10:11 am 10:11 am

Bull. Obama has damaged himself with his numberless lies, and political and “religious” associations.

Posted by: Luis | April 25, 2008, 10:12 am 10:12 am

I agree with the Majority Whip the Clintons have zero Morallity, they should be ashamed!
Hillary and Bill are reaching for straws and trying to fool the people in NC and IN it wont work the American people are fed up with the Clintons, Bushs, and the old sneaky McCain Bush want-to-be politics as usual. The American people are to smart for that and will turn the page. The talk radio Conservatives shook Jocks want the American people to believe that their for Hillary but they want the fight between Hillary and Obama to continue until November to try and make McBush look good that want work either.
Obama’s state wins 30 lost 15, Delegate count 1715 +/-, Negatives are way down, Better nominee
Clinton’s state wins 15 lost 30, Delegate count 1585 +/-, Negatives way up. Not a good nominee.
Fund Raising Obama beats Clinton or McCain Expediently.
Registering new voters Obama beats Clinton or McCain.
Bring the country together Obama beats Clinton or McCain.
Overall, Obama beats Clinton or McCain.
Race against McCain, Obama better nominee.
Obama all the way!

Posted by: Lookup | April 25, 2008, 10:13 am 10:13 am

What bs how are you suppose to run against Obama everything you say they start yelling about why doesn’t he just drop out if he is that big of a baby that all the MSM and every black leader has to battle for him what happens when he is President if he makes it will he need people around him from morning until night to protect him.from hurt feelings what a wuss

Posted by: Bishop | April 25, 2008, 10:14 am 10:14 am

YES,they are and you are right about her run in 2012 ,Tell me plz why if some one who is on trail for fraud by the federal govenment can they run for an office and esp the president….This is Peter Paul trail about to start in Calf.She is on there twice once as first lady and as a senator…..And of cause her dear (barffff) hubby.

Posted by: honest | April 25, 2008, 10:15 am 10:15 am

Not going to be a good couple of weeks for Hillary.
She is not Electable
Obama08

Posted by: Thinking | April 25, 2008, 10:18 am 10:18 am

All you Obama supporters, it is all you who started this.
If you want to further increase racisim you will vote for Obama.
You all are voting for Obama just becoz he is African American and nothing else.

Posted by: Rick | April 25, 2008, 10:18 am 10:18 am

Typical – Using the RACE CARD when ever things do not go there way. Bill Cinton made his remarks months ago and now after a loss in Pennsylvania, he now wants to accuse the Clintons. Well the vast majority of Americans are SICK OF THIS. This is Obama’s way of going NEGATIVE but using someone else to do his dirty work for him. SICK!

Posted by: Steve Moore | April 25, 2008, 10:18 am 10:18 am

So, people including Obama can say or do anything to Clinton, while Clinton can not do or say anything to Obama?
Is it fair! Is it democrat?

Posted by: golfgirlusa | April 25, 2008, 10:19 am 10:19 am

Axlerod the strategist for Obama is well known for working with politicians who can win based on racial divide. This is what he has done in Chicago and is trying to do Nationally.
If all of you have sense you will vote based on experience and past records.

Posted by: Rick | April 25, 2008, 10:20 am 10:20 am

What Hillary fans fail to realize that the anger towards the Clintons in the African-American community is REAL.
I am African-American and I talk to folks within the community. One of the reasons why Obama is getting 90% of the black vote isn’t just because he is black but because there is REAL ANGER towards the Clintons to what we perceive as their negativity.
What Hillary fans also fail to perceive that if Obama is still standing at the end of this primary season with more pledged delegates, more popular vote, and more states won and then the superdelegates just go and give the nomination to Hillary, African-Americans will be PISSED OFF.
This will FRACTURE the Democratic base for the general election and perhaps many elections to come. This would not only make Hillary UNELECTABLE for the Fall but it really could hurt down ticket Democratic candidates for blacks won’t be voting in the Fall. We could lose big time in state races.
Rove knows this and that is one of the reasons why the GOP is bashing Obama hard to not only weaken him but to try to prop up Hillary so the superdelegates swing to her which will fracture the party. If this was to happen, then the GOP would be right there to try to woo the black vote.
That is why McCain is going into Black areas right now hoping that the Dem party will be fractured so he can reap the benefits of the black vote in the Fall. Rove is trying to CHANGE the Dem party forever.
This is a warning!

Posted by: Stacey | April 25, 2008, 10:22 am 10:22 am

MM
You mean Mccain who just asked for the Rev. Wright ad to be pulled.
It’s fine for them to throw stuff… God knows Hillary has thrown everything they can…(name me one thing she hasn’t…you can’t) …so if you think the republicans are going to throw more that is just …well
Look at this Hillary could not win in her own party where was her strength…dems were what carried her close in the general.
She lost in that demographic…her numbers get worse in the general.
The republicans know that …and with Obama having all this thrown at him now by Hannity and the rest…and Hillary not having a single question about a single scandal (talk about coddling) during this entire primary (and almost all of those scandals she has never answered to on camera …ever never mind now)…as much as you want to play like she can take a punch…
She lost in the primary…without independents and republicans (which make her numbers go down and she know sthis she’s not stupid)
Wake up… it’sal;l there …it is not coddling… it is just saddness that people like you can’t see that The Clintons are about the Clintons…I ask all the time and have yet to have a single answer…Name me one time where the Clintons put the welfare of the country ahead of their own. the welfare of anyone ahead of their own if it did not help them politically.
You can’t.
The republicans have blown a lot of ammo trying to get Obama out…they do not wan thim over hillary in the general.
Name me one otehr thing…one snippet of one scandal fromall the clinton lists that Fox or Hannity or the RNC has eluded to in this primary…just one outside of her current lying bosnia thing. I bet you can’t name that either.
The Clinton campaign is not dumb they know all this.
I have to say I am pretty darn sure…This is all about 2012 at this point.

Posted by: dl | April 25, 2008, 10:22 am 10:22 am

MM, there is a trend here and we should accept that. Since the beginning of the primaries, Bill has told to everybody that Hill and McCain are close friends. The second point is that the “Bitter” talk was taken out of context and Hill and McCain jointly have twisted and replied aggressively and put Obama on the defensive and now whith the whole issue of the former pastor Wright who has been pushed out of context again, Bill complaining about race card pushed on him, etc.. Yes, there is a clear trend that as Richardson said it that the Clintons believe they are entitled to the presidency and they will do everything to push for it and if they do not get it then they will bring down the party and Obama. That is logical thinking. God bless America and God bless Obama.OBAMA08.

Posted by: BKMC | April 25, 2008, 10:23 am 10:23 am

Brilliant. The Obama campaign is now officially blaming the race card on every primary voter who supports Hillary and not their candidate.

Posted by: commonsensenj | April 25, 2008, 10:25 am 10:25 am

Clintons have damaged themselves. They think they can say and do anything and recover. They have baited one group after another.
They are damaged goods, and Hillary is unelectable.
Obama08

Posted by: Thinking | April 25, 2008, 10:25 am 10:25 am

Rick: Obama is part Black and part White. Tell me why the Whites are voting for him? Don’t answer that.
All of the Obama supporters are voting for Obama because he’s the Best candidate.
Obama alll the way!

Posted by: Lookup | April 25, 2008, 10:26 am 10:26 am

And don’t forget, “you owe us, Bill.” Great stuff.
Meanwhile, another superdelegate is breaking Hillary’s way. See politicsnj.

Posted by: commonsensenj | April 25, 2008, 10:26 am 10:26 am

Act like a Bush Republican and you win.
Is this the Clinton strategy?

Posted by: newz4i | April 25, 2008, 10:27 am 10:27 am

Implicit in Clyburn’s position is his belief that the Clintons are only in this to ruin Obama. Hello, I think Hillary is in this to win the nomination. N.C. Repubs are now airing the ads re: Wright, not the Clintons. Wright himself is resurecting his racist hateful words by engaging in televised one on one interviews. The Clintons are not doing this.
Clyburn thinks that Hillary Clinton should step aside because Obama is black and Black people are upset. That is the height of racism. There is a huge groundswell developing for Hillary Clinton. That counts. Working class white people do count; they get to vote also. They are important also.
While I can sympathize with black Americans since this is “their” first viable black presidential candidate, I don’t think they should be dictating who the Democratic nominee should be, based on race.
Further, I am perplexed that Clyburn should object to counting the FL and MI vote. From his history in the civil rights movement, one would think he would be advocating for counting all votes. If the tables were turned and FL and MI votes favored Obama, he would be the strongest voice for inclusion of those votes. I do recall that the NAACP has written the DNC and requested the inclusion of at least the FL votes, since the exclusion would result in the disenfranchisement of black voters.

Posted by: countallthevotes | April 25, 2008, 10:28 am 10:28 am

Just funny, how “Saint” Obama could be damaged by any body if he were a true “Saint”????
He has been gone down by his own flaws and his own weakness…..

Posted by: True Truth | April 25, 2008, 10:28 am 10:28 am

Typical – Using the RACE CARD when ever things do not go there way. Bill Cinton made his remarks months ago and now after a loss in Pennsylvania, he now wants to accuse the Clintons. Well the vast majority of Americans are SICK OF THIS. This is Obama’s way of going NEGATIVE but using someone else to do his dirty work for him. SICK

Posted by: Steve Moore | April 25, 2008, 10:28 am 10:28 am

OMG
Obama is making the Presidental Campaign all about race.
How pathetic.
I hope the idiots Know it is the people who want Hillary.
The people pushing her to go on.
We the people want Hillary.
She is the better Candidate
She is more Competent and Able
So the hight powered Democrats want to fix the election and Play God. Is there nothing they would stoop to doing. because this is disgusting to insult the people in such a way.

Posted by: seah | April 25, 2008, 10:30 am 10:30 am

Looks like people who carried the water for Bill and Hill through zippergate have run out of patience with these two characters.
Hills is down and the only path to HER VICTORY is to bring Obama down to her level and swipe the nomination at convention.
People who had Hill and Bill’s back during the tough times resent being kneecapped today.
Everyone is tired of this. Time for Hills to do the right thing…… if she’s capable of put right before self.
But maybe she’s not capable. We’ll see.

Posted by: The Commander Guy | April 25, 2008, 10:30 am 10:30 am

Stacey.. you think only Obama’s african american supporters are entrenched? What about white women? It might interest you to know that women have been relied upon election after election to run the ground game on the local level of democratic elections. We man the phones, we serve as local party officials, we go door to door. We’ve supported these turkeys year in and year out and we are taken for granted every step of the way. African american women, white women, latino women, we are the largest group of democratic voters. We comprise of almost 60% of reliable democratic voters. And the stats don’t lie. Democrats can’t win by dissing working class white and latino women (Groups Hillary is winning by a landslide). Even if every single black person in america votes, it won’t be enough.
AA’s are valuable democratic voters that we do not want to offend, no question. But so are working class white women. If the perception is that Hillary is treated unfairly by male democratic elders, those women will not only deflect, they won’t man the phones, we won’t go door to door, and the ground game crumbles. The implications are huge.
African American voters are not the only democratic voters who are in danger of deflection. Get off your high horse.. you need us too!

Posted by: Angry Democratic Woman | April 25, 2008, 10:32 am 10:32 am

How can someone claim to care about the rights of the American people and be in favor of disenfranchising millions of people in Florida and Michigan? So what if nobody campaigned in Florida and Michigan– nobody EVER campaigns in Alaska and Hawaii but somehow voters there learn about the issues and make up their minds. They have newspapers and televisions and the internet by the way so they are not totally in the dark. Moreover it is a lie to say the party rules require Florida and Michigan not to count. The party rules give the power to the DNC’s Rules and Bylaws Committee and the Credentials Committee to determine the fate of Michigan and Florida.

Posted by: Dan S | April 25, 2008, 10:33 am 10:33 am

Well if Jim Clyburn was a white middle class american he wouldn’t have written this article. I am so tired of the media portraying Hillary as the devil spawn and Obama being exactly what this country needs. It’s because of the Media’s opinion’s is why Bush got elected and now look at us. Try not to believe what you read or hear in the media since they are not looking out for our countries best interest only their own. Believe me, they will regret it if Obama gets the nominee because alot of true democrats will vote McCain.

Posted by: kito11 | April 25, 2008, 10:34 am 10:34 am

At last, somebody called a spade a spade. The democratic party will loose this nomination if this continues to split its members. When will the Dems learn to get its act together?

Posted by: TT | April 25, 2008, 10:34 am 10:34 am

Why does Clyburn just endorse Obama who cares he does not have to trash the Clintons and guess what thier are other races in the democratic party besides just the blacks Obama needs us to get elected. also

Posted by: Bishop | April 25, 2008, 10:36 am 10:36 am

” It is the government’s responsibility to insure our voting system is as fair and accessible as possible, rather than trying to find obstacles to prevent citizens from exercising their constitutional right.”
ANYONE CARE TO GUESS WHOSE WORDS THOSE ARE?????????

Posted by: GEEVILL | April 25, 2008, 10:36 am 10:36 am

a reader in georgia…
I think Obama stood Hillary (the favorite daughter and queen of the party with 15 years of support behind her who threw the kitchen sink) in the Primary just fine.
Hillary lost…in her strongest place. She knows this.
Look at their history… again, when have the Clintons ever put anyone, including their one daughter, ahead of themselves.
Just one. That’s all I need someone to show me one time.
Mccain was a war hero…Obama gave up huge opportuinities to fight for non-profits and out of work Americans.
The Clintons have consistently chosen their own egos over the American people when they have had the choice.

Posted by: dl | April 25, 2008, 10:37 am 10:37 am

I totally agree. The Clintons are unbelievably devious and manipulative. I have come to admire HC in a strange way for her energy and tunnel-visioned, single-minded goal of winning first prize, and it is quite amazing that she has bounced back after losing 11 primaries in a row, but at the same time I can’t stand the woman and the way she has run her campaign. I would like this to be over with already.

Posted by: counting crows | April 25, 2008, 10:37 am 10:37 am

Obama is trying distance himself from Black people but at the same time using the Black people.
The democratic party choose the wrong black man to be the next president. IF he had not had relationship with Rev. Wright, Black Panther Party and all those rebels… OBama could have been an effective candidate for all the people in USA.
Since he has relationship with people who hate whites, his dream of becomming a president is shutdown.
This is a fact and no one can refuse.

Posted by: Rick | April 25, 2008, 10:39 am 10:39 am

The simple fact is Obama is simply
not presidential material no matter
how you spin it or who you accuse
of whatever…

Posted by: frank | April 25, 2008, 10:39 am 10:39 am

Obama is down below Hillary’s level already. Hillary is not “bringing Obama down” Obama HAS BROUGHT HIMSELF DOWN! This self-righteous drum beating for Hillary to get out, stop campaigning, stop picking on the golden boy is ridiculous! Obama is in hiding and allowing all his surrogates to come out and do his dirty work for him. What a Wimp! Where has it been written that Obama is the ANNOINTED CANDIDATE? Oh, because the Harvard Boys Club is back at it again, telling the woman to get out, and stop making their guy look bad! Clyburn should stop talking and start letting Obama speak for himself. It seems the only speaking Obama is capable of doing is the non-verbal kind, do a Jay Z dance and flip Hillary the finger. Obama’s flipping MI and FL the finger too. DNC – we women will LEAVE THE PARTY if you continue to do this to Hillary!
GO HILLARY 08!

Posted by: calli | April 25, 2008, 10:41 am 10:41 am

What a coincidence!
Obama gets thumped in an election, and within hours one of his supporters plays the race card.
We’ve seen this re-run of a bad movie way too many times.
*message for Clyburn: Obama is already getting 92% of the black vote and blacks already hate the Clintons guts (due to Obama campaign actions), so you have nothing left to gain by crying victim over and over and over again.

Posted by: OxyCon | April 25, 2008, 10:41 am 10:41 am

Civil rights leader Jesse Jackson has alleged “a clear pattern of voter suppression” of blacks in Florida. He has promised demonstrations in the days leading up to the inauguration and is to appear in a Jan. 20 rally in Tallahassee, Fla. Protests are also scheduled in Chicago and other cities”
WHO IS DENYING THEIR VOTES IN 2008 JACKSON? CYBURN?

Posted by: GEEVILL | April 25, 2008, 10:42 am 10:42 am

Bill Clinton has lost all the respect he fought hard to recieve from the American people
With one campaign
Why compare an Obama win in SC to a Jesse Jackson win in SC???
Of all the presidential candidates whom won SC in the past, why Jesse Jackson???
Why then blame the Obama camp for a comment you stated, then later on deny???
The Clinton camp played the race card in hopes of labeling Obama has the “black” candidate
The cards flipped and anger???
White older women vote Hillary, are they sexist and racist???
And for those who question what Obama has done for the black community, read his bio
The Clinton campaign must be rubbing off on their supporter b/c all they seem to do is whine whine whine
He was a civil rights lawyer and a community organizer in a black community

Posted by: Vanessa | April 25, 2008, 10:43 am 10:43 am

Obama went down because of his own flaws, his own weakness, his own old dirty tricks, and his least experience and least capability…
He has consistently be defeated in white votes, women votes, and other minority votes excluding AA…
Obama and his supporters are play blaming game now in Dems’ party….
Simply if Obama cannot take the heat, please get out right now…
Be aware: you are runnng for US president, the toughest position in the world, NOT American Idol for 2008…
Please show your toughness, show your strength, show you can win no matter under what circumstances…
I believe that is what Americans are look for if you are the one to earn this job…
So be a MAN not a boy and fight till your last breath…..

Posted by: True Truth | April 25, 2008, 10:43 am 10:43 am

The Obama campaign needs white people. badly. all they could muster was 3 preppie rich kids wearing Abacrombe Fitch shirts.

Posted by: geevill | April 25, 2008, 10:44 am 10:44 am

If Hillary can’t win in 2008, how the heck is she going to win in 2012? McCain would have to be even worse than Bush for that to happen.

Posted by: Bob | April 25, 2008, 10:45 am 10:45 am

Smart move on Obama’s part bringing out his supers a little at a time every time he loses he trots them out. I’ll give Obama his do Axelrod is good smart move hiring him.And Clinton got seven super’s in the last two weeks but we have learned that no attention will be given to Hillarys wins.

Posted by: Bishop | April 25, 2008, 10:45 am 10:45 am

This is a big lesson for the Kennedy and Kerry and all those stupid Democratic party idiots. They all support Obama without actually knowing his background or his relationship with radical black leaders.
Democratic party is set for a split in August. Republican party is all rejoicing.

Posted by: Rick | April 25, 2008, 10:46 am 10:46 am

Face it the Clintons tried it and it isn’t working.
Hillary is unelectable
Obama08

Posted by: Thinking | April 25, 2008, 10:47 am 10:47 am

You all are doing exactly what she wants…
Ignoring who gets us out of this mess at this point and what is best for America.
Even though she absolutly can’t win…it doesn’t matter to you all. It matters to attack the candidate who beat your Hillary.
She doesn’t care if we are in Iraq and going to blow our budgets and people are starving and our image in the world is going down or that McCain doesn’t have a godd economic plan…
She wants to win her presidency at all costs.
Just like when she didn’t care about the Florida or Michigan voters until it actually effected HER…she is doing the same to you…
It is not about the people losing there homes, or starving or the vets who are killing themselves…
It is about Hillary and her Presidency.
This would be par for the Clinton course if it is now about 2012.
but you all keep fighting to teardown the candidate who beat your Hillary. She’s glad you do…because she’s no dummy she knows she can’t win. look at the fact that she lost in her only strength…the Democrats…she sees her numbers and she knows not a single scandal was brought up… she knows she had a low ceiling to begin with.
This is most likely about 2012.
and that is bad… good for the Clintons…bad for America.

Posted by: dl | April 25, 2008, 10:48 am 10:48 am

Obama is losing votes on his own merit.
No One made him open his mouth at the debate.
No one had him make comments and talk down about the small town people to His new Rich friends in San Francisco.
No one had his choose his friends from the FBI and CIA files.
No one had him sit in a church and listen to a heretic and anti-American preacher.
No one had him stand in front of a camera and lie about his family, friends and issues.
No one made him flip- flop on issues.
No one had him Blame the Government for everything under the sun.
No one had him twist the facts, tell half truths and lead the people to believe his rhetoric.
No one thought about race until he started calling people racist.
No one had him elude, evade or double talk or change the subject when asked a question.
Mr obama has done all by his own merit.
he can’t blame anyone for that, like he tries to do with everything else.

Posted by: seah | April 25, 2008, 10:49 am 10:49 am

Clintona are bad for America.
Obama08

Posted by: Thinking | April 25, 2008, 10:50 am 10:50 am

She wouldn’t get elected in 2012 either. She needs to face it and Move On.

Posted by: Anna | April 25, 2008, 10:53 am 10:53 am

I’m a white guy who grew up in the suburbs.
And I’m finding it increasingly difficult to attribute the actions of the Clintons to any other motivation than the undoing of candidate Obama, myself. Clearly, even if Clinton managed to somehow connive the nomination, she would be unelectable in a general election at this point.
I would have a hard time voting for ANY presidential ticket with Clinton on it in any position — and it seems clear from the polling that this sentiment is quite widespread not just among independents and former Republicans like myself — but also many dyed-in-the-wool Democrats like the former Clintonistas who have moved to Obama’s campaign.
What other explanation is reasonable, at this point?

Posted by: KS2 Problema | April 25, 2008, 10:54 am 10:54 am

In your dreams Obama is loosing. Winning the Primary a head in the GE polls of Both McCain and Hillary. Obama is ahead in NC and IN
Hillary is unelctable.
Obama08

Posted by: Thinking | April 25, 2008, 10:55 am 10:55 am

Ya gotta love the Obama “spin”. Hillary wins PA – Obama says she loses. Hillary wins PA – Obama surrogates come out and say “Hillary should stop making Obama look bad”. Yeah, Hillary, don’t you know that women aren’t supposed to win? Especially the bitter white ones!
GO HILLARY 08!
Fight for Democracy!
Obama is the POLITICS OF THE NEOCONS!

Posted by: calli | April 25, 2008, 10:55 am 10:55 am

dl,
Don’t know why you said Hillary didn’t care about the issues facing America…
Most people agreed she has the most solutions and plans to fix the issues….
On the other hand, a lot of people think Obama just copied and pasted his plans from original owns…
Majority people agreed Obama has least experience to handle the issues…
So if you really care about the issues, then you may have made wrong choice…

Posted by: True Truth | April 25, 2008, 10:56 am 10:56 am

Why is Jim Clyburn talking for the entire country? SC has already voted and choosen Obama. Let all the other states choose, Neither Obama nor Hillary have reached the needed delegates.
MI and FL delegates are also not alloted.
Jim Clyburn please keep you mouth shut.

Posted by: Rick | April 25, 2008, 10:57 am 10:57 am

Either way, they’ve both started to suck as candidates.

Posted by: Nik | April 25, 2008, 10:57 am 10:57 am

Why would I want to vote for a candidate like Mr. Obama whoms supporters such as Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are threatening to riot in thev streets if their black candidate doesn’t win.
So threatening people is a way to get votes.
I think that these idiots as Sharpton and JAckson should find another way of expressing their loyalty to the black community, instead of showing themselves as thugs!!!!!

Posted by: norm | April 25, 2008, 10:59 am 10:59 am

James Clyburn agreed to stay “neutral” in the primaries so SC could move up their date. Clyburn just lost his “neutral” status. Does this mean that SC now has to give up their primary results and they are now “null and void” just like MI and FL? Just curious because it seems that Clyburn is not following “the rules” by bad mouthing the Clintons. That’s definitely not staying neurtral.

Posted by: frisco girl | April 25, 2008, 11:02 am 11:02 am

Twisted sista gotta go away. We used to lock people up in the funny farm for far less than this twisted sista is doing. She’s nasty, nasty, I say nasty. But, hey, look at all the twisted peps she collecting. It’s almost like oil and water. It’s amazing what’s is floating bloat and what is liquid gold. Bloat that floats is Hillarys game and look at all the mindless indiots going yes’m and most of em are white bloated folks. But not this one. I thank God my mother taught her children to think and be honest first with ourselves and then with the world. What kinda motha did she have that would be so permissive to let her child grow to be an insult to nature and all it holds dear.

Posted by: MissClarity | April 25, 2008, 11:02 am 11:02 am

Also Jim Clyburn , It was only OBama who ran ads in FL and no other candidate did.
Obama pulled his name off MI becoz the exit polls showed a 20 points loss for him. The uncommitted votes has votes for Edwards also.
So Hillary infact won by a better margin than what she got in MI.

Posted by: Rick | April 25, 2008, 11:03 am 11:03 am

Ninety percent of black people in PA voted for Obama and people are saying white people are racist.
Mr.Clyburn is a superdelegate. Why hasn’t he endorsed Obama? Where is his confidence in Obama?

Posted by: cindy | April 25, 2008, 11:03 am 11:03 am

Twisted sista gotta go away. We used to lock people up in the funny farm for far less than this twisted sista is doing. She’s nasty, nasty, I say nasty. But, hey, look at all the twisted peps she collecting. It’s almost like oil and water. It’s amazing what’s is floating bloat and what is liquid gold. Bloat that floats is Hillarys game and look at all the mindless indiots going yes’m and most of em are white bloated folks. But not this one. I thank God my mother taught her children to think and be honest first with ourselves and then with the world. What kinda motha did she have that would be so permissive to let her child grow to be an insult to nature and all it holds dear.

Posted by: MissClarity | April 25, 2008, 11:06 am 11:06 am

Whatever happened to intelligent debate in this country? Fake patriotism? Loose associations to arguably controversial characters? C’mon, these aren’t issues. Wake up, please.

Posted by: Chris | April 25, 2008, 11:06 am 11:06 am

Does the Democratic party really need any help to damage itself?
The two party system is a sham that has only resulted in gridlock and partisan politics.
While I like Obama the candidate – his supporters I can live without. It would be best to leave the campaigning to the candidates – let them be the ones to spew the half-truths and rhetoric. I’m really sick of all these childish rants that lead nowhere and offer noting of substance to debate.

Posted by: DF | April 25, 2008, 11:08 am 11:08 am

Did Mr. Clyburn heard in SC or in the floor that “chickens are comming to roost”?
About MI – You ask any politicians they all will say the most difficult is to run against the “Uncommited”

Posted by: Kyle | April 25, 2008, 11:10 am 11:10 am

Jim Clyburn, what a moron! Bill was telling the truth, but you are unfairly attacking Bill and ignore the fact that how morally sick Bill and Hillary have been treated by Obama and his campaign. You better shut up because you are aggravating misunderstandings and animosities between democrats. The more stupid words from you, the more determined Hillary supporters have to fight against Obama and his evil campaign!

Posted by: smartcookie2008 | April 25, 2008, 11:10 am 11:10 am

I will never vote for a Lawyer, no matter what color or party. Clinton and Obama have the money and only care about the power. They will tell us anything to get what they want and will never be accountable to anyone. They only care about theyselves. Democrats have no real choice, they are both the same and neither have what it takes to be a true leader.

Posted by: Ken | April 25, 2008, 11:10 am 11:10 am

No one has the right to the presidency. It has to be earned. Obama is only hurting his own campaign when he cannot respond openly to questions about his associations. You cannot blame Hillary for that.

Posted by: Sandy | April 25, 2008, 11:10 am 11:10 am

true truth
Obama has the best way forward.
I am sure he was no dummy and took into consideration some of what Hillary said…it would be dumb not to…
In fact I bet most of his policies (and hers for that matter) were taken from other poeple…
at the least I would hope so…
but he takes into consideration…the congress and the “fighting” mentality from”day one”
hasn’t been helping us. and will continue not to help us…
what I said was that ultimately for Hillary and Bill once again they will be for the issues …unless it gets in there way on any level.
Ultimately they have proven it is not about the issues… it is about the Clintons. that is why they and the Bush’s have set the tone for too long.
This is more about her than it is the issues. Otherwise she would have tried to fight for the candidate that has won.
This is not about her carign because the Party will lose and theissues won’t get fixed” becasue Obama won’t win against McCain… this is about her “right” to the nomination coming before the importance of “solutions” and the war and the economy.
Look back this is how they operate. Put their own welfare and movement and power ahead of the country.
It is like taking the worst attributes of the “me generation” fanning them with power and putting them in charge of the country again.

Posted by: dl | April 25, 2008, 11:10 am 11:10 am

How soon people (especially black Americans) forget how much the Clinton administration did for all Americans. More than seven million people were lifted above the poverty level under their policies – including a sizable number of black families. The Clintons have always been demonstrably supportive of the black community and their needs. Where is their loyalty now ? Talk about playing the race card. Obama, who doesn’t understand the soul of the American black person because he is not from that community, is embraced without question, while Bill and Hillary Clinton, who did so much to support them and raise them up economically, are shunned. Please !!!! No wonder Bill is mad. And don’t say that maybe Bill did those things, but not Hillary. Read her writing, folks, she was to Bill as Eleanor Roosevelt was to Franklin.

Posted by: Amazed | April 25, 2008, 11:11 am 11:11 am

folks, we are reaching a tipping point after which the democratic party is destroyed. Do any of you (leaving out republicans) really want that?

Posted by: ted Shelton | April 25, 2008, 11:11 am 11:11 am

Hey
during the impeachment Clinton had a rating of 60% I dont think blacks add up to that kind of a percentage.

Posted by: toby | April 25, 2008, 11:12 am 11:12 am

Rick: Your right! Obama was the only one whom ran a tv ad in Florida, which he was not suppose to do. No one else campagined. So in reality, Mr. Obama did campaign against DNC rules.
Since Mr. Obama broke the rules and he did campaign those votes in Florida should go to Mrs. Clinton.

Posted by: stevenm | April 25, 2008, 11:12 am 11:12 am

If Clinton really, can not win, she should bow out gracefully. I doubt now that she is a true Democratic party member. Her willingness to continue is admirable but alienating many democrats and directly helping Mr. McCain. I really think at this point she does not care about this party but only the scant possibility she may obtain the democratic nomination. The descriptions of her by Rush Limbaugh are starting to sound all too prophetic. Too bad, but true.

Posted by: Jerry | April 25, 2008, 11:13 am 11:13 am

THOSE WHO SAY THAT OBAMA WOULD HAVE ZERO CHANCE OF WINNING THE GENERAL ARE EITHER BLINDED BY THEIR PREJUDICES OR ARE PLAIN IGNORANT. NOW HOW COULD HILARY WIN BY TRASHING A BLACK CANDIDATE, BY DISENFRANCHISING AFRICAN-AMERICANS AND THE YOUTH WHO, YOU CAN BE DEAD SURE, WOULD NOT BE HAPPY. YOU CAN NOT BE HELL-BENT ON DAMAGING A CANDIDATE AND THEN EXPECT HIS CONSTITUENTS TO VOTE FOR YOU. WAKE UP FROM YOUR STUPORE!

Posted by: realist | April 25, 2008, 11:14 am 11:14 am

Thank God someone like Rep. Clyburn had the COURAGE to get into the public domain what my husband & I have thought for weeks.
After her 12 successive losses, HRC and Bill Clinton KNEW that they couldn’t WIN the Primary.
So, they started their 2012 campaign to HELP McCain win and only serve 1 term.
Review for yourselves:
BEFORE every Primary, the Clintons’ raise the race card.
Before PA, Bill on NPR, “The Obama camped played the race card.”
Before Texas & Ohio Geraldine Ferraro’s remarks.
The above were, IMO, intentionally INSERTED into the MSM, to REMIND voters who oppose voting for someone of color, the fact that Obama is, in part, African American.
The MOST glaring example of this was after South Carolina because all the way back then, the Clintons realized that they couldn’t win other than by playing UGLY.
After Obama’s 12 victories and HRC’s campaign choosing to NOT compete in the smaller states and caucuses, the “Kitchen Sink” or 2012 campaign started in earnest.
PLUS in the CNN Faith Forum, Hillary Clinton also THREW both Gore & Kerry “under the bus” by saying that neither of those men “RESPECTED” American voters.
All of the above PROVES that the ONLY people in the Democratic Party that the Clintons REALLY care about is THEMSELVES.
Bravo, Rep. Clyburn for just telling it like it is!

Posted by: Dari | April 25, 2008, 11:15 am 11:15 am

I have just read everyone’s comments on this issue. This is why our country is the way it is. People always turn things into a race issue. I believe that if we could see our country as ONE PEOPLE (like Obama does)then we would be better off for it. You can’t tell me that when Hillary looses that the true Dem. won’t vote for Obama or vice versa. We are not stupid people in this world and we do know as true Dem. that we don’t want another Rep. in the Whitehouse. I think if you are not going to vote for Obama just because you are voting for Hillary now then you are not a true Dem. As far as people voting for Obama just because he is black is bull. Grow up and look at the world he is trying to create. A United Country. We all declared that we was united during 9/11 but now have we forgot what that means. I think so. I have a 16 yr old daughter that doesn’t see color and neither do her friends and I think (I prey) her generation will change this country, maybe ours is just still to stuck on stupid.

Posted by: Sandy | April 25, 2008, 11:16 am 11:16 am

OBAMA needs to take a page from the Terminator in CA. (H2O Highway, Fuel Cells), CA even with the Housing Crisis, is on the brink of another Gold Rush of Green Tech. He also needs to take a page from Kudlow (STRONG $) Truth is, he is the best presidential canidate we have had in a long while, however as time has gone on he has decided to become a presidential canidate, instead of sticking to what got him to this point, which was speaking about policies that will make our country great again.

Posted by: James | April 25, 2008, 11:16 am 11:16 am

Excellent story. I’m glad there are some people who can see through the Clintonian mask. I used to like Bill, but I think he is going senile. I really don’t know how the Democrats can win in November if Obama doesn’t get the nomination. America has become tired of the Clintons, and there are many Democrats out there who would rather vote Green than voting for Hillary. People do not like her. They are as corrupt as the Bushes and bad for America. Yes, she will drag Obama through the mud so he can’t win. But, what she doesn’t know is that she will never win either. America needs a visionary leader to get us out of this big mess we are in.

Posted by: Tony | April 25, 2008, 11:17 am 11:17 am

I agree with Clyburn. Also, he has not endorsed a candidate, just because he criticizes Clinton’s campaign strategy doesn’t mean anything. Everyone knows Hillary can’t win, the math just doesn’t work. That said, then why is she still in this race? And why is she so ardent in slinging mud at Obama?
She claims that she wants the votes to speak for themselves, however, it seems to me that the people have already spoken. In that case, it looks like she holds the importance on her candidacy above the democratic party. And who would want that kind of power-hungry person as president to begin with?

Posted by: MD | April 25, 2008, 11:18 am 11:18 am

dl,
First, you still tried to make an immature assumption Obama has won the nomination….The fact Obama has not won yet… The race is still on-going..So please don’t make false statement any more…
Second, majority of people agreed Hillary will handle issues better and Obama is the least experienced to fit the job..
However, it is democracy so you have every right to have your own judgement. Unfortunately, majority of people won’t agree on your personal view..

Posted by: True Truth | April 25, 2008, 11:18 am 11:18 am

Sandy show me one time that Hillary has answered a single question about her “associations” during this primary.
Name me one time someone asked her about Norman Hsu? Once.
name me one time she has answered a single question outside of her own stupid lie about Bosnia? onetime.
How about the Paul case where she had to return a large some of money and was fined? show me one interview…one question…one scandal quesrtion.
When has the American people seen her answer questions outside of Monica and the word “Whitewater” about any of those scandals and associations…
This argument is stupid. Hillary has not shown the money’s that went to her husbands library …
The Clintons have enormous lists of scandals and crap and associations…Hillary has never had to answer those questions to the American people almost ever never mind during this campaign.
and, no, those are not all wrapped up and answered as you all like to try and portray.
But name me once where she gave an answer about these…because the American poeple don’t know this stuff…
this term “vetting” what does that mean …that she was investigated and nothing bad showed up.
Well that is not true. it is simply not true…their have been fines and firings and disbarrment and questions that have simply not gotten answered…
and a whole loot more than Obama or McCain or any politician out there for that matter.

Posted by: dl | April 25, 2008, 11:20 am 11:20 am

Rep. Clyburn is stating the obvious. Sometimes the obvious needs to be stated by sincere people when the obvious is just too unbelievable.
What else can we conclude from the Clinton campaign drumbeat about Fla and Mich other than that we comply with her wishes or face a bloody litigious convention?
That said, what other motive can it have than either to serve a selfish agenda? What could that be? Coerce the nomination or sabotage the outcome.
Certainly we have already seen many instances of double speak out of the Clintons, so many that it is astonishing that we are still fooled. Why are we still fooled? Obama says we are a good and generous people.
Maybe that’s why.

Posted by: Gaias Child | April 25, 2008, 11:20 am 11:20 am

MD: The reason Clinton stays in the race because come June, when all hell has let loose, and the crap about Obama all comes to light, Mr. Obama will be asked to step down.
He is the most unqualified, lying, fake politician that has ever run for office.
Being black means nothing. Even if he were white, he is not quallified>

Posted by: stevenm | April 25, 2008, 11:21 am 11:21 am

Ok enough of the youth bashing, if they do not know what they are doing, then what the hell have the older people be doing, with the hell we are in right now.

Posted by: jay | April 25, 2008, 11:22 am 11:22 am

An Obama surrogate, well two, Clyburn and Wilder playing the race card. that can only mean….yes, A black primary coming up.

Posted by: geevill | April 25, 2008, 11:23 am 11:23 am

Just because Obama can’t win in Nov they are trying to blame it on Hillary why because she is white and white women are voting for her if you want to be mad I guess you can hate white women we are the ones voting for her in big numbers to bad they didn’t count on us doing that before they starting yelling for her to get out because every time we see the injust way she has been treated we rally behind her and I think that is why Obama camp is so mad at her for not getting out.She has every right to stay in as long as she wnats teddy did and he had only 1200 to Carters 1900 lets take it to the floor.Like Teddy did.

Posted by: Bishop | April 25, 2008, 11:24 am 11:24 am

I hope blacks do riot in the streets when Osama doesn’t get the nomination, because they’ll just kill each other, like they have always done. Come near my house and I’ll shoot a couple dozen myself.

Posted by: Rob | April 25, 2008, 11:25 am 11:25 am

Not all white older women are voting for Hillary. I am 57, white and a recently retired construction worker, so I have a blue collar background. I supported Bill in the past, but the Clintons have had their turn. They let me down with NAFTA and Hillary’s first vote supporting the bombing of Iraq. It’s not about being white, black, old or young, I’m ready for change, I’m voting for Obama–someone’s gotta get us out of the hole we’re in, and it ain’t Hillary. I am not just one person, I am hundreds of thousands.

Posted by: jvb | April 25, 2008, 11:26 am 11:26 am

I hope that every African American voter will realize that the Clintons are garbage and only want to win for their own greed and individual egos. Shame on Nutter and other blacks who have supported Hillary Clinton. African Americans have a chance not only to have the first black president but one of exceptional quality. A leader we call all be proud of. WAKE UP AMERICA!

Posted by: Mary M. Mansour | April 25, 2008, 11:26 am 11:26 am

Clyburn is doing the same thing that Richardson did. Before he makes he’s endorsement for Obama (which I am sure hev will do); he has to find an excuse to give Obama the endorsement. And the way he is going to do this, is the same way that Richardson and other have down…Throw her under the bus first!!! This way they will have their (fabricated) excuse to give the other candidate (Obama) their support.
Just come right ouot Clyburn and tell the truth. We all know that you are being harrassed by the other black delegates to throw your support to Obama.
Be honest!!!!!

Posted by: stevenm | April 25, 2008, 11:29 am 11:29 am

true truth
that is not true
the majority of people who voted, where obama’s name was on the ballot chose obama to handle the issues.
and if you go by the rules of the party and the directive of the Sloan commision that created the superdelegates (that their purpose was to make sure no funny business happened, like counting ballots that didn’t have a candidates name on it or agreeing to not count votes and then fight for them when you lose… …but the commision that created them also were directed to reinforce the strength of choice by the party voters and that the party elders (supers) be more “accountable to the party members” that was their directive in creating superdelegates as much as the Clinton campaign and geraldine ferraro has painted it differently…go read the minutes from the DNC)
yes
Obama has won.

Posted by: dl | April 25, 2008, 11:29 am 11:29 am

It seems the voters in PA just made a choice as to who they want the democratic nominee to be – Hillary. Obama had 7 weeks and 12 million dollars in advertising to win the voters over, he did not and cannot in the GE. There are nine more primaries and a convention – why does Hillary have to give up and get out? NEITHER candidate will get to 2025 PLEDGED delegates. THE RULES say that means it will be decided at the convention. Moveonorg. and the Harvard Boys Club are back to bullying the girl after another big loss. Obama’s campaign method. Lose, claim a win, and then bully Hillary to quit the race because she is making Obama look bad.
GO HILLARY 08!

Posted by: calli | April 25, 2008, 11:32 am 11:32 am

sorros
and you can look at it this way
Gore, Kerry, Hillary Clinton the loyalist democrat nominee
Bill Clinton JFK and Obama the new outside but right party nominee.

Posted by: dl | April 25, 2008, 11:32 am 11:32 am

Jerry Springer Fan — Clinton Supporter.
Same thing.
This is NOT funny….this is BAD.
Mccain is going to win and we will all lose.

Posted by: Joe St Louis, MO | April 25, 2008, 11:33 am 11:33 am

I too am a white woman (61) who is for Obama. Here are some of my thoughts.
People keep talking about Hillary’s appeal to 1. seniors, 2. women, 3. blue collar voters….as if they are the ONLY constituency that matters. They keep saying–Obama can’t appeal to those voters.
Well, Hillary doesn’t appeal to 1. women like me and the one who posted above, and many others for Obama 2. educated people 3. younger voters.
Ok, so who said that the rural blue collar voters run the country or should decide the election? Why shouldn’t we declare that the important votes come from young voters who recently registered (because of Obama, I might add). Neither the blue collar workers nor the Clintons own this country or this election.
I believe it was NC’s governor who, a superdelegate as yet uncommitted, said that his own family is split–his 93 year old mother will vote for Clinton while all his nieces and nephews are for Obama.
Who’s going to be alive in 5 years to be affected by the character of the person in the White House?
Pass the torch, guys!

Posted by: Nancy | April 25, 2008, 11:35 am 11:35 am

DL – not true. SuperDs were created to provide “adult supervision” to the nomination process, largely driven by the McGovern nomination in ’72, and then when Kennedys got po’d by Carter win in ’76. It was purely to keep members in check, not uphold their decisions. Of course, many SuperDs are politicians in their own right, so they’ll talk about upholding the will of the people — for many, it’s about survival rsther than who’s the best candidate.

Posted by: Sorros | April 25, 2008, 11:36 am 11:36 am

I’ll never vote for Hillary Clinton. She and her husband are liars. They never paid down the national debt. They never had a Budget Surplus. They lie about everything.
The United States government should be putting both of them in a jail cell.

Posted by: Steven Wilson | April 25, 2008, 11:37 am 11:37 am

Witness Ali Ata has pled guilty and will be giving testimony in the Tony Rezko trial. Word is that Gov. Blagdonevich is implicated. What about Obama? Voters deserve to let this process go the distance. There is much more to be learned about Obama and his connections with his Syrian friend of 18 years Tony Rezko. Also, can Obama “go the distance” or is he another Dukakis?

Posted by: frisco girl | April 25, 2008, 11:38 am 11:38 am

calli
hillary had the entire democratic campaign system (including 2 ex DNC chairs) in PA and 15 years of loyalty, 6 million+ dollars and her key demographic and in those same weeks…
she lost 10+ percent of her support…with a ton of kitchen sink crap thrown at her opponent
and he actually gained statistically in those same demographics that are her stronghold base compared to Ohio.
(It’s just in PA those demographics take up more of the state).
PA was the state buit for Hillary…and she one by 9.5 percent!!?? That is the best she can beat him in a state that is tailor made with all of that going for her and against him.
Guess what in PA Rendelland the democrats will be behind Obama.

Posted by: dl | April 25, 2008, 11:38 am 11:38 am

Obama could not win Pa with all the money he spent and all the time he can’t close and leaving Fl. and MI. out is the only way he can win and he has done the down ticket dems in with his friends Rev Wright and Ayers. the Clintons had nothing to do with it and his little remark out in front of his rich friend well Hillary had nothing to do with that and John McCain has no problem using it. Obama has no fault insurance the MSM

Posted by: Bishop | April 25, 2008, 11:38 am 11:38 am

This is what the Clintons have done for our country?
Hillary was the first first-lady to come under criminal investigation.
First president disbarred from the US Supreme Court and a state court.
Largest criminal plea agreement in an illegal campaign contribution case.
The only president ever impeached on grounds of personal malfeasance.
Most number of convictions and guilty pleas by friends and associates.
Most number of cabinet officials to come under criminal investigation.
Most number of witnesses to flee country or refuse to testify.
Most number of witnesses to die suddenly.
First president sued for sexual harassment.
First president accused of rape.
First president to establish a legal defense fund.
First president to be held in contempt of court.
Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions.
Most Illegal campaign contributions from abroad.

Posted by: smiles | April 25, 2008, 11:40 am 11:40 am

If Hillary does not get the Democaratic nod; I will vote for McCain.
And I have voted Democrat for 20 years.
the BEST person for the job! this time happens to be female.

Posted by: Hillary fan in Denver! | April 25, 2008, 11:41 am 11:41 am

Mandelay3: I am with you! i will not vote for a candidate (forget his color, which everyone seems to want to bring up time and time again). It has to do with his associations and his negative run in Illinois as a Senator and a person whom is so anti-abortion, that he does not value life; even to the extent that he would want his daughters to have abortions. What happen to his famous words” My children are a blessing from God”! Were these blasphemous words as he seems to so often speak.
He is the only one in the senate (Now mind you the only senator) whom voted against the BAIPA bill that President Bush signed in 2002. Even the most liberal democrates in the senate as Ted Kennedy, Barbara Boxer voted for it. Hillary Clinton also voted ofr it. Obama….NO! NO! NO!
It was okay for him to see late-term aborted babies born alive to be killed.
He tried to stop the Bill in Illinois, but thank God on his fourth try he failed.
Michelle Obama had a fundraiser luncheon to get people to help her husband repeal this bill. Her $150.00 luncheons didn’t do much good either, Thank God,
She will be and him, the most anti-life couple ever to step foot in the Whitehouse.
Michelle Obama makes me sick. And so does he.
Go away both of you. Please!!!!!

Posted by: stevenm | April 25, 2008, 11:43 am 11:43 am

sorros my info about the supers comes from the notes in the Library of Congress andother sources about what was given as the directive for the Sloan Committee…who created the supers… go look it up…
You are just repeating the line the Clinton campaign has been pushing…
but if you look at the notes from the committtees purpose and why supers were created on paper …officially…
it was to “hold them more accountable” to the party members and to make the party delegate process “MORE democratic”
not less…
Ferraro spun this and everyone bit.

Posted by: dl | April 25, 2008, 11:43 am 11:43 am

DL – don’t put JFK, Clinton & Obama together as outside to the party …
Clinton rode the New Democrat/DLC centrism to the WH, not as an outsider to the Dem party, but b/c the Dems were embracing DLC as the new wave of success.
JFK served for 14 yrs as a Democrat in House of Reps and Senate — how exactly was he outside any of it?

Posted by: Sorros | April 25, 2008, 11:44 am 11:44 am

the Clintons are so short-sighted that they haven’t figured out how much they have damaged their own reputations and Hillary’s political fortune – be it in New York or in a future presidential run. We will remember these tactics and they will see that ‘what comes round, goes round’.

Posted by: bernadette | April 25, 2008, 11:44 am 11:44 am

It would be irresponsible for the American people to vote for Hillary. Why are these same people complaining about dictatorships around the world when they are so willing to keep the same two families in power for 20 years (Clintons & bushes).
The Clintons already had their chance. It’s time for new blood, Hillary is not a mobilizer, Obama is a mobilizer, he inspires, JFK, didn’t have experience and neither didn’t MLK nor Gandhi, but their ability to mobilize the masses to do what needs to get done is beyond the failed 8 years that Hillary has had in these useless US congress.
I hope that in the case Obama is not the nominee that he would consider a run as an independent candidate and drop the useless parties we now have ie: Dems and Reps which in my opinion lack in real differences.
When I group of people like independent voters are not allowed to vote in primaries that is NOT democracy.

Posted by: Jaime | April 25, 2008, 11:46 am 11:46 am

Washington has had enough of the Clintons and the Bushes. The tragedy of this whole mess w/Hiliary is that Bill doesn’t even care about her, it’s his legacy that he’s so desparate to perserve. She only wants the power which is not in the best interest of America. Sadly, it’s never been about was it best for our nation as far as the Clintons but what is best for them.
As far as Obama is concerned, he’s much too junior to take on such a job. There are so many layers of crap in the system it will take a miracle to get things on track to provide a somewhat decent future for our children and grand-children. There will be no future if Hiliary steps in. God forbid. Bad choice. People listen, she’s a snake and can’t be trusted and I’m a middle aged woman and I certainly pay attention.
The choices are slim but Obama is the lesser of two evils. Believe me.

Posted by: Beth D. | April 25, 2008, 11:46 am 11:46 am

If I vote “Clinton,” which one will be president?

Posted by: Ponderosa Pete | April 25, 2008, 11:47 am 11:47 am

Mandelay3: Sorry, I meant to say that Obama is the most ANTI-LIFE SENATOR.

Posted by: steven m | April 25, 2008, 11:48 am 11:48 am

NO but JFK was a Catholic, and it was unheaard of for a Catholic to president.
Times Changed then Times are changing Now
Obama08

Posted by: Thinking | April 25, 2008, 11:48 am 11:48 am

Bishop,
Have you noticed how quiet Ted Kennedy has been. I don’t recall a peep since Rev. Wright. I am in Mass. Many people are really fed up with him now. they feel he should have checked out Obama more closely in terms of his political and social affiliations with radicals and questionable people overall. Kerry is in the same boat but people feel that Kennedy, who is very politicaly savvy and been around so long, should have known better.
Where is Teddy??

Posted by: countallthevotes | April 25, 2008, 11:50 am 11:50 am

I voted for Bill twice. I admire Hillary’s remarkable stamina, her drive, her intelligence, but I would never vote for her. Here’s why. 1. Her FABRICATION of a story to make a case, is not a MISSTATEMENT. Fabrication about WMD is what Bush did to get us into this shameful war in Iraq. The trait is not a mistake, an error in fact. It is made up for a purpose. That kind of lie should disqualify her. 2. That Bill should skirt the constitution by promoting his wife presents a hugh problem….far greater than Bush 2 following his father. It neuters the role of VP already marginal, and also deflates the cabinet. It does not produce good government to have a leader with a shadow leader overshadowing the VP and cabinet. This arrangement would be the closest this country has ever come to royalty or dictatorship, where people in important positions become puppets to the 2 weilding unparalleled power. Who would speak up? The Clintons have dmonstrated that they count on loyalty, just as Bush has done. Imagine how the disloyal will be punished. Just watch this campaign for a preview of things to come. This retread of power in America offers a warning. When there was a question about the validity of Bush v Gore in Florida, the state looked to the Supreme Court. Three of the nine justices had been appointed by Bush’s father and the loyalty issue won the day. They owed Bush senior, or so they believed. The rest is history, and a sorry one at that. j.

Posted by: jandy | April 25, 2008, 11:51 am 11:51 am

This is a charade. Clyburn obviously believes that there is a historic right to elect Obama and therefore everyone else should just drop out. He could do all of us and himself a favor by coming clean what he supports.

Posted by: LT | April 25, 2008, 11:51 am 11:51 am

Every day, I read more and more hate regarding Hillary Clinton from the obama followers and I am tired of it. Obama will not be elected president in this election. It is clear and concise that if obama gets the nomination in August, that he guaranteeing a victory for John McCain. And I will be one of the first Dems that will vote for McCain. And I DON’T CARE if any other Dem or obama follower call me either unloyal to the Dem party or a bigot/racist for NOT voting for obama. I don’t think obama is sincere or honest and I think he would be the very worst person to ever be president of this country. I will not ever vote for obama and I will give my vote to McCain just because I don’t want obama elected – and – everyone in my acquaintance and surrounding area already are saying the exact thing. We have also written to the DNC expressing our thoughts of moving to the Repub base if the DNC nominates obama. Its as simple as that – We won’t vote Democrat if obama is nominated, but we will vote for McCain.

Posted by: Lou | April 25, 2008, 11:53 am 11:53 am

DL – superDs were created under a plan by Gov Hunt of NC, so the Hunt Commission. 1982, fully implemented by 1984.

Posted by: Sorros | April 25, 2008, 11:54 am 11:54 am

Without a doubt, Moveonorg. and Clyburn are HELL BENT on denigrating the first female presidential candidate and the first two term democratic president in over 60+ years and counting! Moveonorg. and Clyburn and OBAMA ARE DESPICABLE to lowering themselves down below the pond sucking pond scum to trash Hillary with personal attacks, verbal denigration and sexism. We women are sick of it! If Obama can’t take it, he should stop whining and give up. Obama should stop having all his surrogates fight for him, because he obviously is too wimpy to do anything for himself! Cry baby Obama needs to campaign, debate, and allow MI and FL have a say in the NATIONAL DEMOCRATIC primary! Otherwise, Obama steals the nomination!
NO WIMPYBAMA 08! NO MOVEONORG. IN THE WHITE HOUSE!
GO HILLARY 08!

Posted by: calli | April 25, 2008, 11:56 am 11:56 am

Sen. Clinton seems strangely unconcerned about her legacy. It seems she believes she’s going to bull her way to the nomination and that nothing can stop her. The REALITY is that she’s going to lose, and then she’ll have to return to the Senate and make some kind of political future for herself.
She is thoughtlessly burning bridges left and right among her most loyal constituencies (which once include myself, but no more). I guess unrestrained hubris will do that to a person. But if she thinks we’ll support her for a run in ’12, she’ll get a rude awakening. I actually won’t be surprised if she gets rejected in NY after what she’s been pulling, especially if she keeps it up and increases the damage to our nominee. Incredibly short-sighted for such a smart woman.

Posted by: dennis | April 25, 2008, 11:56 am 11:56 am

House Majority Whip Jim Clyburn, D-SC is speaking the unvarnished truth, something that the Clintons could never ever do. How much more lying, deceit, manipulation and outright FRAUD must the Clinton’s engage in before the entire Democratic Party turns against them en masse? Character matters. Do not believe the Clinton rhetoric from the 1990′s that the “Character of the Policy matters more than the Character of the Politician.” They are one and the same. Everything about Hillary is a lie, stacked on a mountain of bullcrap, wrapped in deceit and smothered with FRAUD. The Clinton’s have spent their entire lives plotting and planning for both of them to hold the Whitehouse and to otherwise subvert the will and the intent of the 22nd Amendment. Carville is as crooked and deceptive, if not more so than Karl Rove. These people are not Democrats or Progressives. They are predators who prey on the left side of the bell curve, duping as vast portion of the electorate that the Clinton’s are middle class warriors and Hillary is a feminist. No true feminist stands by, supports her “husband” and destroys women who her husband has raped, sexually abused and harassed. HILLARY IS GENUINE….SHE IS A GENUINE AMERICAN FRAUD.

Posted by: Christopher London | April 25, 2008, 11:56 am 11:56 am

Afraid of change…The thought of someone in the White House listening to the people must instill a sense of fear-never before conceived … Imagine giving control of a government created for the people to someone that will actually listen to the people.

Posted by: Deanna | April 25, 2008, 11:56 am 11:56 am

Obama has irreparably damaged himself, his message and his candidacy. Clyburn’s assessment is reminiscent of Bush supporters where he also refuses to be accountable for his own actions. You couldn’t touch Bush early in his presidency and we’re seeing the same thing with Obama.
Oh, and way to make sweeping generalizations about how blacks feel. Good grief.

Posted by: LOM | April 25, 2008, 11:58 am 11:58 am

sorros
it is just a different way to look at it…
JFK was the upstart
Bill Clinton was the outside Washington nominee…
Carter was the outside washington nominee
Gore Kerry Hillary
if you are going to argue that Hillary is the more “conservative” nominee…
I will say yeah…she is a hawk with no understanding of the real meaning of the pros and cons of that…
threatening a non-nuclear country with nuclear “obliteration” as a deterrent…did she not listen to Kim Jong Il… does she not realize that this is not reagan and Russia… where they already had warheads that they could not keep up with …and even that lasted 50 years… now she has given a rogue nation the audio clip to use when arguing with our allies and our enemies…saying they need protection from our nuclear threats.
or that she is different from Bush cowboy diplomacy…setting up an umbrella of protection on the US’s dime that subjegates congressional approval… this is the same woman who says we can’t afford to keep fighting this war in Iraq and she is going to bring them home…but says we need to set up an umbrella of protection that will react with “Massive retaliation”
again if you are going to argue that this makes her a better nominee or less like Gore and Kerry…
You think this attribute is going to make her better than Obama or mcCain? a hawk that really was military instead of just playing like they were.
She is a hawk in her life and dealings and in her foreign policy …yes in that way she is more conservative.
but that does not make her a better nominee.

Posted by: dl | April 25, 2008, 11:58 am 11:58 am

The presidency has to be earned. It is not bestowed upon someone for social engineering purposes. We are talking about the presidency of the United States of America. Obama is having campaign difficulty because he cannot seem to give a consistent answer to questions concerning his long-time associates. This small issue has become bigger than life because of his evasive attitude. This is NOT Hillary’s fault. The American people have the right to know all about Obama. If this quest to really know him is hindered, he will not be successful in his efforts to win the presidency and racism will have nothing to do with it. Obama is standing in his own way.

Posted by: sandy | April 25, 2008, 11:58 am 11:58 am

Where is Teddy Kennedy? Why is he not speaking and defending obama? Because he knows what a terrible mistake he made in endorsing obama and knows he cannot do anything about it now. He has alienated the Clintons, the people of Massachusetts and many Democrats and they are not forgiving of this. Teddy had better start repairing some of the damage he has caused in endorsing obama, because he just might not be reelected to the Senate by the people of Massachusetts. What goes round comes round and I don’t think that Teddy dares do much more at this particular time. He should just retract his obama endorsement right now and stay neutral.

Posted by: Lou | April 25, 2008, 11:58 am 11:58 am

Clyburn, just like Obama and his supporters, shows us that the 90% blacks who voted for Obama feel entitled to this nomination just because Obama is the first African American running for president. Yet, they keep saying that it is Clinton who feel entitled! Another evidence of actions that are not matched by words of his campaign.
I have lived through enough elections, yet this is the first election that a candidate whines so much. By whining, feeling entitled, or accusing people of being racists, Obama is the one who is destroying not only his own candidacy, but also the party!

Posted by: vote4thebest | April 25, 2008, 11:59 am 11:59 am

The clintons are trying to damage Obama for their own selfish gain,believe you me,the irony of it is,Is’s a blessing in disguise,Obama is getting stronger,they are saving him the attacks he would have got from the GOP,by the time he becomes the nominee,noting comes offguard anymore ,all i know is Clinton can never be our president,even in their dreams period

Posted by: Adams | April 25, 2008, 12:00 pm 12:00 pm

sorros sorry that is right typo the news is talking about sloan as I type this…
go look up the directive for the Hunt Commission…
not sloan…

Posted by: dl | April 25, 2008, 12:01 pm 12:01 pm

Just suprising why some people didn’t still get: Obama has been gone down only because his own flaws….Nothing esle….
Please do not play victim…..

Posted by: True Truth | April 25, 2008, 12:02 pm 12:02 pm

That’s not true. Clyburn is being melodramatic. Blacks in PA said they would vote for Clinton if she won – more than whites for Obama. Also, she still maintains just about all of her black Super Delegates and endorsements. Clyburn is wishy-washy.

Posted by: tony | April 25, 2008, 12:03 pm 12:03 pm

Hillary’s dirty little secret weapon in run for the nomination ……. exploit racism!

Posted by: B Friend | April 25, 2008, 12:04 pm 12:04 pm

HE IS RIGHT:
IF HILLARY HAS TO COMPLETELY DESTROY OBAMA AND THE PARTY TO WIN THIS ELECTION THAT SHOULD SPEAK FOR IT SELF. SHE CAN’T WIN SIMPLY BY HER EXPERIENCE,POLICY ISSUES,NAME RECOGNITION,PARTY INSIDER STATUS ALONE(WHICH BY THE WAY SHOULD BE ENOUGH)I THINK IT’S NOT ABOUT THE JOB ANYMORE IT IS PERSONAL WITH HER,NO NEW KID ON THE BLOCK IS GOING TO TAKE THIS AWAY FROM HER. IF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY WON’T STAND BEHIND HER THEN IT TO IS NOT WORTH SAVING.

Posted by: merle7 | April 25, 2008, 12:04 pm 12:04 pm

Steve Moore:
Bill Clinton Brought this back up the
other day claiming that “Obama played the race card on him after the
South Carolina primary!
Get your facts straight!
The fact is the Clintons have been
injecting race into this campaign since the SC primary through their surrogates,
Geraldine Ferraro, Bill Clinton, etc.
Clyburn is right! The campaign should be fought on the issues like the economy, Iraq, terrorism, not nitpicking
every word that is said!
The “bitter” nonsense is so lame!

Posted by: reaganfan | April 25, 2008, 12:06 pm 12:06 pm

To London: Clyburn is supposed to remain “neutral”. That is the written “rule” he agreed to abide by in order to have the SC Primary early. Clyburn has broken the “rule” of staying neutral. The DNC should strip SC of their delegates and votes since they broke the “rules.” What’s good for the goose, is good for the gander.
The nerve of this guy to go out and trash Hillary and Bill when he is the one breaking the “rules”.
GO HILLARY 08!

Posted by: calli | April 25, 2008, 12:06 pm 12:06 pm

Who do you think Obama will pick as his running mate? I think joe biden or richardson will be a fine pick.

Posted by: Adams | April 25, 2008, 12:07 pm 12:07 pm

I am so damn sick of this bitterness.I personally don’t think any of these three are suited to run this country>>>>>
BUT I am ready for change and time to turn this country around and work for the people first.Keep jobs here No more war,Lets give it to new blood and see what happens you may be surprised……

Posted by: h | April 25, 2008, 12:08 pm 12:08 pm

How soon people (especially black Americans) forget how much the Clinton administration did for all Americans. More than seven million people were lifted above the poverty level under their policies – including a sizable number of black families. The Clintons have always been demonstrably supportive of the black community and their needs. Where is their loyalty now ? Talk about playing the race card. Obama, who doesn’t understand the soul of the American black person because he is not from that community, is embraced without question, while Bill and Hillary Clinton, who did so much to support them and raise them up economically, are shunned. Please !!!! No wonder Bill is mad. And don’t say that maybe Bill did those things, but not Hillary. Read her writing, folks, she was to Bill as Eleanor Roosevelt was to Franklin.
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Amazed, I sincerely doubt Presidient Franklin Roosevelt and his lovely First Lady, Eleanor Roosevelt, would want to be associated with the Clintons! They were people of INTEGRITY AND HONESTY…characterists which the Clintons do not possess. Please do not insult the Roosevelts by comparing the Clintons to them. Shame on you!!

Posted by: NinaK | April 25, 2008, 12:09 pm 12:09 pm

BLAME! BLAME! BLAME! It is everyone’s fault but Obama’s! This is not about Hillary Clinton. This is about Obama! And his following Wright and his Anti-American views is very UNamerican! This is racist and Anti-American! And for 20 YEARS! Denouncing Bill Clinton? Mr. Clyburn, When are you denouncing Obama? Or are you a hypocrite, too?

Posted by: Core Democrat | April 25, 2008, 12:10 pm 12:10 pm

Adams…………..How about john edward? he will be a nice running mate.

Posted by: roy | April 25, 2008, 12:11 pm 12:11 pm

It’s too bad that Clyburn and Obama have to diminish Hillary and demean her the way they are doing. Obama is not going to reach the 2025 pledged delegates to win the nomination. Hillary is entirely within her right to keep the contest going. Who gives Obama the right to tell her to give up? Sorry, Obama, entitlement and affirmative action are not part of the democratic primary process.

Posted by: frisco girl | April 25, 2008, 12:13 pm 12:13 pm

Obama should compesate clinton and make her his vice.. adams

Posted by: val | April 25, 2008, 12:14 pm 12:14 pm

Who do you think Obama will pick as his running mate? I think joe biden or richardson will be a fine pick.
This should be the debate!!!

Posted by: Adams | April 25, 2008, 12:16 pm 12:16 pm

Cali.
I did not know that the DNC had ordered Clyburn to stay neutral in exchange for the early date for SC primary. WOW!! And here he is today trashing the Clintons? I agree, DNC needs to do something. Afterall, the rules are the rules and agreements are sacrosanct. Strip that state.
Perhaps we should file a complaint with the DNC. I will look into the procedure so that I follow all the rules. After all, the DNC is all about the rules.

Posted by: countallthevotes | April 25, 2008, 12:17 pm 12:17 pm

Ahh! adams, i think Richardson is the match

Posted by: ed | April 25, 2008, 12:18 pm 12:18 pm

Vote is a sacred duty that should be decided above and beyond party politics more so in the current election. This is a reason myself being a republican voting for Obama.
Pleae do not fall a prey to Hillary’s lies and deception. She will not be able to deliver on any of the promises she is making. This is the reason educated people are not voting for her, because they can read th ewritting on the wall. Pleae be loyal to the country not to the party.
Question is not why Obama could not close teh deal, question is why she cannot! A household name in America for decades, a senior democrat and first lady cannot beat a rocky senator completely unknown to public has come this far. This is a huge victory for Obama and if she cannot beat him how will she ever be able to beat McCain a candidate that has integrity, honesty and a war hero or she thinks she can also destroy McCain, think again.

Posted by: Blagha | April 25, 2008, 12:19 pm 12:19 pm

Kristine White
What exactly is a Republican talking point? Can you name one that is the exclusive property of the Republicans?

Posted by: S | April 25, 2008, 12:20 pm 12:20 pm

Vote is a sacred duty that should be decided above and beyond party politics more so in the current election. This is a reason myself being a republican voting for Obama.
Pleae do not fall a prey to Hillary’s lies and deception. She will not be able to deliver on any of the promises she is making. This is the reason educated people are not voting for her, because they can read th ewritting on the wall. Pleae be loyal to the country not to the party.
Question is not why Obama could not close teh deal, question is why she cannot! A household name in America for decades, a senior democrat and first lady cannot beat a rocky senator completely unknown to public has come this far. This is a huge victory for Obama and if she cannot beat him how will she ever be able to beat McCain a candidate that has integrity, honesty and a war hero or she thinks she can also destroy McCain, think again.

Posted by: Blagha | April 25, 2008, 12:20 pm 12:20 pm

Obama should pick Joe biden.

Posted by: victoria | April 25, 2008, 12:20 pm 12:20 pm

No need to support Obama, but she is not fit to be a president. She is greedy for power not for doing something good for the citizens. Her greed is obvious in her words, her eyes, her campaigning style, her sticking with her husband shamelessly, all with one motive, greed for power.

Posted by: mvp | April 25, 2008, 12:22 pm 12:22 pm

Who do you think Obama will pick as his running mate? I think joe biden or richardson will be a fine pick.

Posted by: Adams | April 25, 2008, 12:22 pm 12:22 pm

“Who do you think Obama will pick as his running mate?”
If he still had a chance to get the nomination I think he should go with his good buddy the Rev. Wright. Two of a kind, both anti-American. I will even help with the slogan!
“Wright and Wrong for America!

Posted by: Pat | April 25, 2008, 12:23 pm 12:23 pm

So all of Clinton’s public service and all his foundation work that benefits primarily Black people are not appreciated by the Black community. It’s all about what have you done for me lately I guess.
And their friendship to the Clintons was conditional.
I wish Bill would keep his mouth shut. But the truth is that the memos distributed to the press and used as proof of “racial coding” by the Obama campaign were playing the race card.The fact that the media took Bills comparison of Obama and Jackson as racist when that was a favorite storyline in the press is unforgivable.
The branding of Hillary and Bill was nasty but it was an extreme case of Chicago politics. The attack on Ferraro (who said the same thing Obama once said) was not so easy to forgive.
Obama has a 1% lead in delegates. This may be insurrmountable due to how the delegates are heavily weighted to Black districts. The sme thing happened in TX.
So the media can continue to feed the flames. But some of us feel our party has dramatically moved away from us.
In a party that has no problem disenfranchising 2 states and all poor whites it is becoming apparent that the older voters are a problem as well…
Shrinking the democratic party in a time of record growth is not wise. but it can be doen. McCain is a moderate no matter how much money the DNC spends to smear him.

Posted by: Jackie | April 25, 2008, 12:25 pm 12:25 pm

Adams, if hillary is not chosen,thats the end of democratic party,they will bring the party to her knees, got it?

Posted by: jo | April 25, 2008, 12:25 pm 12:25 pm

I hope Obama wins the nomination and then loses the election. Hillary can’t win either so it really doesn’t matter. If Obama were to win the election and become President it would be a complete disaster. Knowing my people (African Americans) as I do the honeymoon would be over in about a week and then the very black people that voted for Obama will turn against him. They will complain that he isn’t acting quickly enough to make life better for our people in America. Once whites and hispanics and everybody else sees him being attacked by his own people it will be open season on Obama and his family. It will be like Rice and Powell. Blacks won’t think he is black enough and whites will think the only reason he got the job is because he is black. Him and his family will be completely destroyed before it’s all over.

Posted by: Ken | April 25, 2008, 12:26 pm 12:26 pm

I think albright will be fine.How about janet reno?

Posted by: howard | April 25, 2008, 12:27 pm 12:27 pm

AGAIN with the stuff about Michigan and Florida?????!!!!!! Here is my Final Four analogy. Let’s say the NCAA had agreed to cancel the 2008 playoff. As a result, all four teams had agreed that nobody would show up at the arena and no score would be recorded. But one team turns up anyway, not even dressed in their jerseys. The center strolls down the court and casually tips the ball in the basket. Should that count as a victory????

Posted by: Paul Olson | April 25, 2008, 12:28 pm 12:28 pm

After all this sound & fury, there will be 3 words for everyone:
President John McCain

Posted by: Suzy | April 25, 2008, 12:28 pm 12:28 pm

I find Mr Clyburns remarks divisive and filled with racial coding and subtle threats. I guess if Obama continues to sink that he and his followers will continue to send subtle threats and validate the anger and racial discord that was apparently more rampant than many of us knew.
So if Obama is entitled to win and there can be no oppisition that is not perceived as racist I guess many of us will be supporting McCain.

Posted by: Jackie | April 25, 2008, 12:29 pm 12:29 pm

DL – She hasn’t threatened a non-nuclear country with nuclear obliteration!! Asked what her response would be (as President) if Iran attacked Israeal with nuclear weapons, she answered “I want the Iranians to know that if I’m the president, we will attack Iran (if it attacks Israel). [if]they might foolishly consider launching an attack on Israel, we would be able to totally obliterate them. That’s a terrible thing to say but those people who run Iran need to understand that because that perhaps will deter them from doing something that would be reckless, foolish and tragic.”
What would Obama’s reaction be to a nuclear attack on an allied nation – talk to the aggressors and try to work it out?
As far as the “umbrella of protection” goes — what do you think is informally in place now? Why did we go to Kuwait? What’s our arrangement with Saudi Arabia? How’s our relationship w/Jordan. Right now, though, it’s all done as one-ofs w/each individual country. Would it be so wrong to discuss bringing them all together around one table, so to speak, with a carrot/stick philosophy — we help protect shared interests, they help keep the MidEast from blowing up.

Posted by: sorros | April 25, 2008, 12:30 pm 12:30 pm

After reading the posts made here by the obama supporters and the comments made by Clayborn – I am going to make a monetary contribution to Hillary Clinton’s campaign. I have never contributed a penny to any presidential campaign before, but I will start today and I will add to that every week until the convention. I am so tired of the obama followers that continue to beg everyone to dismiss the negatives that are piling up daily on obama (and to treat him as if he were a god of some sort) and to their continuous dribble and shedding and maligning of Clinton, that whatever I can contribute to the defeat of this phony, arrogant and self-serving, condescending elitist, I will do.

Posted by: Lou | April 25, 2008, 12:31 pm 12:31 pm

southamco
In terms of issues, how does Obozo differ from Clinton? (I mean real issues)

Posted by: S | April 25, 2008, 12:33 pm 12:33 pm

adams, why not collin powell,americans will understand,change+experience=president,condo should also continue as states secretary,we all will understand change we can believe in.

Posted by: jkk | April 25, 2008, 12:34 pm 12:34 pm

What a strange world we live in. I’m not sure if the Hillary supporters are just delusional, have conveniently short memories or it’s just people paid to write stuff on the internet by the big companies an lobbyists who are afraid of obama getting into power lest he run them out of washington.
These Hillarites who write Obama just revealed his true colours eventually by adopting the same old dirty smear campaign against Hillary. I’m yet to see Obama attack Hillary in a debate, in a press conference, in any ads. Most of the time he is on the defensive from her nasty and unneeded attacks. He always responds to HER. She or Bill always inniate the smear tactics. The Hillary campaign put out the Obama turban pic…did u 4get that? Bill tryin to demean Obama’s win as nothing by tryin to estabish the mindset in the media he is the black candidate with a comparison to Jesse Jackson. The Hillary supporter who claimed Obama is getting an advantage because he is black. All started from her side.
How can the Hillary supprters 4get that when this campaign started, Hillary got the black vote. The blacks were not supporting Obama because, at the time he was an unknown entity and we had a history with Clinton. It was only after he won Iowa…from whites voting for him…we began to say “who is this Obama? what’s he saying that’s so great?” And when we finally listened, we liked what we heard. When the blacks started slowly trickling to Obama, that’s when the Clintons started using the race issue. It was after this, that the blacks ran to Obama in droves. This is all well documented for all the world to see.
Most blacks,as all other races i imagine, love an appreciate their individuality. They resent the notion that it is impossible for 90% of the blacks to vote for Obama for any other reason than some kind of tribal kinship. It’s really sad when racist white people will scrape the bottom of the barrel for any excuse to explain away his winning.
The main reason blacks are voting for him are because he speaks sense, unlike bush and the republicans. He isnt more of the same old politricks we’ve grown accustomed to. Only some white people are guilty of seeing him as a black man. Most black people, just see him as a man. For us, his race is not an issue. As is most of the young people of any colour, they are raised in a new genaration of education and able to figure out for themselves that all the stereotypes an prejudices they are taught at home…are all wrong.
The other reason the older whites are desperately trying to find any crap to smear Obama, is not because they are wiser or more experienced. It is because they are fearful of losing the status quo position they currently occupy in society. They subconciously fear that once a black man gets in power, they wont have anyone looking after their best interests.Ironically, It’s the same reason the blacks vote for him. They have NOTHING to lose. We are already at the bottom of the social ladder. It couldnt get any worse, so we take a chance on a guy who doesnt have as much experience of this magnitude, but his track record show good judgement in political choices. It is not a LEAP OF FAITH. It is an educated an calculated choice to give my vote to someone who is a real person and wants a fair world for everyone…white or black. Is that so wrong?
I hope the readers who see this will have the sense to realise the internet is swarming with these nay-sayers. They will try any fear mongering tactic to hurt Obama. Have the courage to listen to what he is saying, and dont be easily manipulated and mislead with low class tactics like the whole overblown Wright issue; or the lies about Obama being muslim. It’s time we act like mature adults…with some class and dignity. Something Hillary apparently has forgotten in her desperation to get to the whitehouse.
It’s so ridiculous for Hillary to suggest Obama is elitist. Hillary never lived on food stamps. Hillary never lived in a ghetto in detroit. He went to Harvard on a scholarship for christ sakes. What planet is this woman and her supporters from??

Posted by: Kevin Mack | April 25, 2008, 12:37 pm 12:37 pm

Obama 09; someone who will win with only the black and very reliable youth vote; yes that’s the way to go!!! Obama lovers you are smart, intelligent people, I’m in awwh with you intellect!
Wow, you’re such bright educated people!!!

Posted by: Cindy | April 25, 2008, 12:37 pm 12:37 pm

Drop the drama.
It’s OBAMA ’08
Hillary’s new math and kitchen sink strategy is insufferable.

Posted by: Robbie | April 25, 2008, 12:38 pm 12:38 pm

People are not stupid and they see what’s really going on. If Clinton somehow? gets the nomination I would vote not for her but for the D-Party. But what is the difference of what Rev. Wright said and what Bill Clinton said. People I was angry on what Rev. Wright said, but when I heard the whole sermon, I then realize that the whole thing was out of content. But there where some things that Rev. Wright said that was not cool. But he’s only human and that could only be the way he felt at that time. Did anyone ask him if he felt that way today knowing what we know now. Some people need to have an open mind about what is said. Especially the comments Bill Clinton said. Do people really think he is a racist. NO!!! Maybe he just talking too much.

Posted by: Curtis | April 25, 2008, 12:39 pm 12:39 pm

Hillary just named her running mate, John McCain….

Posted by: Jim | April 25, 2008, 12:40 pm 12:40 pm

The reason the DNC hasn’t stepped in is because that if Hillary wins the nomination and counts Obama out, all hell will break loose within the black community. I mean think of all the rumors that were circulating throughout the O.J. Simpson trial. If he was found quilty there would be rioting. My take on it is that the DNC wants to have all it’s i’s dotted and t’s crossed before anybody wins the nomination. And that candidate has got to win the nomination without a shadow of a doubt that they took the popular vote and the majority of super delagates.

Posted by: Karen | April 25, 2008, 12:44 pm 12:44 pm

How soon people (especially black Americans) forget how much the Clinton administration did for all Americans. More than seven million people were lifted above the poverty level under their policies – including a sizable number of black families. The Clintons have always been demonstrably supportive of the black community and their needs. Where is their loyalty now ? Talk about playing the race card. Obama, who doesn’t understand the soul of the American black person because he is not from that community, is embraced without question, while Bill and Hillary Clinton, who did so much to support them and raise them up economically, are shunned. Please !!!! No wonder Bill is mad. And don’t say that maybe Bill did those things, but not Hillary. Read her writing, folks, she was to Bill as Eleanor Roosevelt was to Franklin.
Posted by: Amazed
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Amazed, I sincerely doubt Presidient Franklin Roosevelt and his lovely First Lady, Eleanor Roosevelt, would want to be associated with the Clintons! They were people of INTEGRITY AND HONESTY…characterists which the Clintons do not possess. Please do not insult the Roosevelts by comparing the Clintons to them. Shame on you!!

Posted by: NinaK | April 25, 2008, 12:44 pm 12:44 pm

Mary,
I disagree, Hillary and McCain are much better…

Posted by: Jim | April 25, 2008, 12:47 pm 12:47 pm

Dare not mention McCain’s name as the president,these two dont go together,he doesn’t look presidential at all,i cant imagine american president with short arm,clinton doesn’t look like one neither,Obama sounds ,looks,and acts presidential, i love McCain, but just because i love him doesn’t entitle him to the presidentship,McCain is a war veteran,The country is also equall to the task of taking good care of him,he is not denied of his pension just like other millions of veterans,he got what we owed him,his pension and decoration, we desperately need change and BARRACK OBAMA is the change we can believe in.

Posted by: bp | April 25, 2008, 12:47 pm 12:47 pm

Clyburn, I’d vote for you if Hillary wasn’t in it. You have the integrity and strength I’m looking for in a President. Don’t send someone like Obama my way and expect me to consider him in your league.
But the “perception” crap of racist statements from the Clintons is just that, perception.
So Obama supporters percept all you want, wrong as it is, but I’m going to vote for Hillary as the best candidate even if I have to write her in.
Hillary ’08

Posted by: rd | April 25, 2008, 12:47 pm 12:47 pm

Explain to me the negatives that are piling up on Obama? It seems like fabricating issues is the only way for the Clinton supporters to justify the dirty politics. If I hear one more lame duck argument for seating MI and FL, or re-voting in a state that was agreed to be negated prior to any campaigning, I’m going to scream. Clintons can’t win their way to the office, so they opt to tear down Obama so they can cheat their way in. Great choice to lead this country folks. When are people going to learn that Washington politics DOESN”T WORK. It never has and never will.

Posted by: vninja | April 25, 2008, 12:48 pm 12:48 pm

Perhaps Clyburn can remember all the things Clinton did for the african american community? Just last month he and his foundation was helping rebuilding devastated lower ninth ward in NO. I guess for some lofty speeches count more than real actions. Perhaps Clyburn can team up with Obama and try to make a positive change for people?

Posted by: LT | April 25, 2008, 12:50 pm 12:50 pm

bp
If McCain’s pension is a major issue in your mind, you should quickly seek help.

Posted by: Turku Wren | April 25, 2008, 12:50 pm 12:50 pm

Even if the old bag wins the nomination, I still won’t vote for her! I’m not an Obama fan, but the way she and Bill have conducted themselves in this campaign is revolting! I don’t have to vote for McCain, but I don’t have to vote for her either! Maybe it’s time we smartened up and stopped this Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clinton idiocy now! I think the world gets the idea that the American people have made a mockery of their own democracy!

Posted by: Chris | April 25, 2008, 12:52 pm 12:52 pm

I wouldnt give my vote to someone who’s done drugs and then tries to brush it off as he does the middle class, with his arrogant, condescending demeanor. He’s a reminds me of a shark like any other high price lawyer that’s looking out for his own best interest and not that of the country. He has no international policy experience and though i dont believe Clinton would use the bomb she is certainly better equipped to handle our international issues. What i dont understand is why is it so many folks dont see him for what he is, a phony covered in nice clothes. He’s a big BABY complaining about tough questions give me a break if you cant roll with the punches get out. I’m not voting for Hillary because she’s a woman i’m voting for Hillary because she has the experience! She’s can handle things better than Mr. Complainer Obama, and can answer the tough questions because she knows the answer. She’s a natural he’s ahhhh phony.

Posted by: gysette | April 25, 2008, 12:52 pm 12:52 pm

“I wouldnt give my vote to someone who’s done drugs and then tries to brush it off as he does the middle class…”
I take it then you didn’t vote for George W. Bush then, right?

Posted by: Janet J. | April 25, 2008, 12:56 pm 12:56 pm

“”I wouldnt give my vote to someone who’s done drugs and then tries to brush it off as he does the middle class…”
I take it then you didn’t vote for George W. Bush then, right?”
Or Bill Clinton?

Posted by: Texana | April 25, 2008, 1:00 pm 1:00 pm

I am really tired of everyone, including Obama, trying to make race such a large issue- it isn’t. The majority of Americans have said that they are ready for a black president, much more that those that said they were ready for a woman president. There are many, many other issues to consider here and they only relate to race if you really stretch to make some vague connection.
On another note, how is Clinton suppose to make distinctions about herself and Obama without somewhat damaging him? It is unrealistic to think she could, and to me it insinuates that Clybourn thinks she should exit the race or sit on her hands till its over. Also, to call the plea to count FL & MI disingenuous is completely ridiculous. A new primary for both states was being worked out and Obama put a stop to it. That to me is trying to stop the will of the people from voting because he doesn’t like the way it will turn out.

Posted by: Andrea | April 25, 2008, 1:06 pm 1:06 pm

“I am really tired of everyone, including Obama, trying to make race such a large issue- it isn’t. The majority of Americans have said that they are ready for a black president…”
What color’s the sky on your world, pal. America is chock full-o bigots, even today!

Posted by: Lumby's Grill | April 25, 2008, 1:08 pm 1:08 pm

Clyburn: “black people are incensed over all of this.”
If some Clinton supporter in Congress were to say “white people are incensed” about Obama’s spouse, the sky would fall.

Posted by: Belle Starr | April 25, 2008, 1:08 pm 1:08 pm

I live in Florida and the votes should NOT count, I know people that would have voted for Obama but were told it wouldn’t count and joined the Republican Party to vote for antiwar candidate Ron Paul. Hillary Clinton and Rudy Giuliani are both celebrity candidates, both led their respective parties in the polls; the difference is when Rudy had other candidates campaign in Florida he lost, Hillary had no candidates campaigning in Florida and she won. It was an unfair primary as the candidates couldn’t campaign in Florida and that favors Hillary. To now claim they should count shows that you cannot trust Hillary to keep her word.

Posted by: Bo | April 25, 2008, 1:13 pm 1:13 pm

How is Obama making this a race issue? Bill said it.

Posted by: Emmanuelle | April 25, 2008, 1:19 pm 1:19 pm

“Hillary never lived on food stamps.”
Hillary lived on government housing. Arkansas governor’s mansion and White House. If she wasn’t married to Bill she wouldn’t even have a career.

Posted by: Bo | April 25, 2008, 1:20 pm 1:20 pm

You know what is really frightening…
Hillary Clinton’s key demographic (“fan base”) of voting constituents are the undereducated and uneducated. The ones who buy the 10 second soundbites, the “scary” graphics of Osama bin Laden, and the “fictional” movie parallels. The ones who prefer a beer guzzlin’, whiskey shootin’, gun totin’ “characterization.”
And these people form the majority of the American population.

Posted by: Perplexed | April 25, 2008, 1:27 pm 1:27 pm

I guess you have no qualms about Reverend Wright, the Ayers, Tony Rezko and, of course, Farrakhan chilling with the Obamas on the Whitehouse Lawn, eating hotdogs and drinking Bama-Koolaid?
How can someone who loves their country so much, be close friends with her enemies? Answer me that!
Vote Hillary 2008!

Posted by: Concerned American | April 25, 2008, 1:36 pm 1:36 pm

Clyburn’s exactly right. The Clintons are “in it to win it,” even if that means waiting another 4 years under a McCain presidency. The writing is on the wall.
Hillary has every right to stay in the race, but she should stop parroting right-wing talking points, which validates them.
Obama should be given a medal for surviving this long with TWO opponents, Hillary and McSame. When was the last time McSame or any Republican said something negative about Hillary? Can anyone think of an instance? Of course not. Hillary and McSame have an unspoken understanding that they both want Obama to be as bloodied as possible come November.
Shame on YOU, Hillary!

Posted by: SpaceCat | April 25, 2008, 1:36 pm 1:36 pm

He speaks the truth. The clinton’s aren’t dumb. They want Obama to lose so she can run at 64 instead of 68. Those of us who are educated and informed realize this. Hillary wins with the uninformed. People who can’t spell Nafta and think the GDP is a rock group. It may be elitist to say so, but these people are clearly not able to properly access the issues.

Posted by: tj | April 25, 2008, 1:40 pm 1:40 pm

Omentum
They’re not ‘Obama haters’. They’re people who seriously doubt what the man says and who take note of his inconstancy’s and of his past associates. What’s wrong with that?

Posted by: S | April 25, 2008, 1:40 pm 1:40 pm

Bo, you sound like me. I, too, live in Florida and don’t think the votes should count. A lot of people didn’t vote at all because they believed their vote wouldn’t count. Others did switch to republican to have theirs hear. It was a non-election.
I, also, would rather have McCain over Hillary. After her comment about obliterating Iran and fantasizing about sniper fire, the thought of her in the White House makes me very nervous. Maybe she wants to go down in history as the president who started WWIII.
I hate seeing Hillary tear down Obama while building up McCain. Obama is a diplomat and someone who can reach across party lines and racial lines. I think he would be good for our country. Other countries might even start respecting the U.S. again.

Posted by: Judy | April 25, 2008, 1:42 pm 1:42 pm

Could it be we don’t think Senator Obama is not qualified for the job. Senator Obama only had one year in the U.S. Senate before he announced he was running for president. Who else would have the audacity to do that.

Posted by: unhappy in fl | April 25, 2008, 1:44 pm 1:44 pm

If anybody thinks the Clinton’s are racists’, you are even more gullible than I thought for being Obama Koolaid drinkers. Blacks saw Clinton’s remarks as racist because they were told to think this way. Bill Clinton has been standing up for civil rights and higher education for all for longer than most of you have been alive. Get your history straight before you lemmingly jump on the bandwagon! Jesse J. Jr. made the first racist comment of the campaign, but the media was so in Obama’s pocket, it got a blip of airtime.
I can’t believe you all think Hillary will be the cause of Obama losing to McCain. Obama has all these skeletons, and now that the truth is finally coming out, he doesn’t look as shiny. If the media had been doing their job, Obama would never have been given the frontrunner status.
As to the one making the comment about Clinton losing control of the Congress just two yrs. after he took office….the reason being, he put forth an economic plan that took real guts, and many of the Dems who voted for it took some real heat for their votes and were later voted out. The economic plan got the economy back on track, but because it asked people to sacrifice for the country, voters rebelled.
Hillary has stood up for human rights long before she met BC.
Perception is a funny thing: The Republicans have microscopically scrutinized the Clintons more than any other political couple, and so yes, obviously, Hillary’s negatives are high. Obama’s aren’t low, and he’s just now going through a little scrutiny. There’s a reason why a Senator almost never wins the Presidency. Of course, this year, one obviously will. A Senator will have a record that can be dissected. One reason Daschle and others wanted Obama to run this year is because he didn’t have a record. He doesn’t have anything distinguishing…simply nonexistent!
Obama’s truths are just now coming out. If he didn’t get such a high proportional count of delegates in African American rich districts, he wouldn’t be where he is. If it were winner take all, he wouldn’t be where he is.
Hillary outworks Obama by a long shot. It was she walking through the snows of NH for votes. It was she working in the rains of PA for votes. He has managed to accumulate most of his votes simply by giving an outstanding stump speech. He doesn’t like it one bit that he has to go down and associate so closely with the folks.
Hillary is by far the more honest between the two. She exaggerated her Bosnia trip because she was guilty of being a politician. The trip was admirable on its’ own merits…with no need for the exaggeration. Obama exaggerated his parents meeting, his policy involvement, said he was a professor rather than a lecturer, he said he doesn’t have lobbyists’ ties, which is a big big lie.
While in the Il Senate, he earned the reputation of “gutless” and “absent” because he was “gone” when the tough votes needed to be made. He almost came to blows with a colleague over a vote he cast by mistake. One thing his colleagues agreed on was Obama’s ambition. Sen. Ted Stevens said Obama folded like a cheap suit in the US Senate.
After being investigated $60,000,000 worth….the Clintons came out looking like some of the cleanest politicians ever. Can you imagine being under the microscope the Clintons have been under.
If Obama loses the general election, it’ll be because he failed at keeping all his skeletons hidden….because there are many. Don’t blame his loss on Hillary.
Obama calls himself the unifier..!! ha
While in the US Senate, he was mainly an observer. Even Republicans admit it was Hillary willing to work across party lines. Again…you’re supporting the wrong candidate. Hillary has actually done the work. Obama is one thing…an overly ambitious enigma.

Posted by: KMB08 | April 25, 2008, 1:47 pm 1:47 pm

Me and a friend were thinking EXACTLY what this man has said! Good for him for SPEAKING THE TRUTH!! !
It is sad, but the Clintons have seriously strained the relationship in the Black community. This has been a key voting block for the Democrats. WHAT A SHAME!!! SHAME ON YOU CLINTON FAMILY!! SHAME!!!!! SHAME!
I am going to throw my support in for Obama and make a contribution to his run to the White House. It’s time this country move past the divisive politics, spin and other distractions that the CLintons & Bushes have exploited for so long.

Posted by: Maria Lopez | April 25, 2008, 1:52 pm 1:52 pm

sorros
once again you are far from right.
so you think it was smart to say we will “obliterate” you with nuclear power in this context?
that is called using nuclear bombing as a deterence… it does not work with rogue nations who do not have nuclear weapons
it’s like picking up a rock and threatening the crazy guy who wants a rock to use to threaten someone and saying if you get a rock and throw it we will throw our bigger rock at you…
what do you think that is goign to make that guy do…he is going to turn to anyone who can hear him and say I need a rock because that big person over there with the rock threatened me with theirs…and suddenly he may have a point…and audio/video to back it up…
it’s called walking softly and carrying a big stick… if she wasn’t just playing tough guy and actually was tough she would know that. Tough guys don’t have to verbally throw around threats… You think that iran doesn’t know we could obliterate them? Not to mention that Israel could obliterate them?
Kim Jon Il used the idea of the US being aggressive with nuclear force to embolden his argument why they needed to have nuclear power…
It complicated any discussions to defuse the situation …
so hillary throws out a clip of her (much like goerge bush) saying “we will obliterate them”
that is, for whatever reason stupid threatening of a non-nuclear nation with nuclear obliteration… it does not deter… it drives.
she gambles on the George Bush side woithout the brains to understand that this is not a country that already has nuclear weapons and is threatening someone…this is a country that definitvely doesn’t have them yet… so she intimidates using this powere we have … not understanding the socio-political ramifications of such a threat…
adn she does in of all places during a presidential campaign.
and yes we have already a relationship of somewhat “allies” in the middle east but by her saying it and offering protection to forgo nuclear power on a national(actually international) broadcast an official umbrella of protection to ANY country that forgoes nuclear power… subjegates congressional oversight…this is the same woman who voted and was hard pressed to get any sort of admonition that she was wrong for giving over that power to the President …and even now she carefully words that she thinks it was only a manipulated bad choice to give to GW.
We should be very concerned. Not to mention Mccain is even goign to take her to task on this and her negative politics.
She in an election with Mccain would not be the “change” candidate. McCain would be.

Posted by: dl | April 25, 2008, 1:53 pm 1:53 pm

Upfront, I’m backing McCain as my values and voting are primarily Republican.
I would like to say from the GOP perspective, welcome to the REAL Clinton’s. I cannot fault the Dems for supporting them back in the day, their in your party and you vote for them. I do feel sorry for the BS that Obama supporters are having to deal with. Now you know how it feels to be on the receiving end of their non-sense.
I know Dems hate Bush, but compared to the Clinton’s he has hired or placed more black individuals in his administration than Clinton ever did. He also also directed more US dollars to help and support Africa than any other US President. Unfortunately all of this is drowned out by “talkers” like the Clinton’s. I find it rather ironic that they beat up on Obama for talking, when that is all they offered and delivered to the black community. Nothing but talk. I don’t agree with Obama’s political views, but the end result is that I view him as someone with a lot of class. Regardless of the questions I have about his past he is an adversary that I can respect. You can’t say that about the Clinton’s.

Posted by: br | April 25, 2008, 1:57 pm 1:57 pm

It’s 3:00 am … HIllary is fatiqued and “misspeaks”.

Posted by: judy | April 25, 2008, 1:59 pm 1:59 pm

Obama could not win Pa with all the money he spent and all the time he can’t close and leaving Fl. and MI. out is the only way he can win and he has done the down ticket dems in with his friends Rev Wright and Ayers. the Clintons had nothing to do with it and his little remark out in front of his rich friend well Hillary had nothing to do with that and John McCain has no problem using it. Obama has no fault insurance the MSM
Posted by: Bishop
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Bishop, what you are forgetting is the Clintons’ associations with corruption and fraud ARE MASSIVE. Please google “The Clinton Chronicles” free video. These corruptions and fraud are HANDS ON by the Clintons. The things you and others keep bringing up are MINOR compared to the Clintons’ baggage of corruption and fraud. Furthermore, you ASSOCIATE the words and actions of others to Senator Obama, NOT anything HE himself has done. Senator Obama has the backing that he has from voters because he is a man of INTEGRITY, HONESTY, VISION, LEADERSHIP, CHARACTER, GOOD JUDGEMENT, WISDOM, AND THE ABILITY TO BRING COHESIVENESS AND UNITE OUR COUNTRY.
Hillary is sorely lacking in the above required characteristics in a great leader.
In my book, any candidate who can go against the Clinton machine and cripple, dent it, and flatten its tires, gets my vote!! Senator Obama has shown his superior strength by bringing the Clinton machine to its rims. Time for the babyboomers to step aside; they are the generation of “me, me, me, me”, and Hillary and Bill have unashamedly displayed this egotistical and destructive mentality throughout their campaign.
Thank you to all forward-thinking Americans who have voted, are voting, and will continue to vote for Senator Obama for President. America will be the better for it!

Posted by: NinaK | April 25, 2008, 2:01 pm 2:01 pm

Clinton is damaging herself by trying so hard to win this election; not to mention dividing the party. Obama is winning this thing and will likely win it. By the way for those that don’t know this primary is a delegate race only. Fl. and Mich. will not be counted; those states will get their chance in the general. Obama has good intentions and is very very smart. We need someone who is using their head and knows how to bring people together. Many people are a bit bitter just read this blog. Clinton said it herself that Obama can win this election, so lets wake up, unite and rally around our front runner before this thing gets too bloody. jw

Posted by: jon | April 25, 2008, 2:02 pm 2:02 pm

Please, consider Obama verses Clinton more carefully. I think a lot of this hate that goes back and forth between the camps is not helpful. There are no perfect people out there. Clinton has only one legitimate way to take the nomination now and that is the Supers. If she can not convince them she needs to be gracious. Tearing Obama down only helps McCain. Clinton has plenty of time to try again.

Posted by: Jon Cox | April 25, 2008, 2:05 pm 2:05 pm

It’s not that the Clintons are racist…it’s that nothing gets between them and what they want and if racism coming up helps them then they will bring it up.
there is a difference between women voting for Hillary because she is a woman and men not voting for her because she is a woman.
there is a difference between black people voting for Barack because he is black and white people not voting for him because he is black.
do you all see that at least.
Barack and his wife have not and do not inject gender into their arguments. Because they do not want to have this be about those issues. They do not compare her to Ferraro or Eleanor Roosevelt…or Speaker Pelosi.
Bill keeps picking out specific characteristics or candidates that have to do with race. and if you don’t think Bill Clinton is doing that specifically because he knows what he is doing…then you don’t know Bill Clinton and obviously have never seen the war room. Bill knows the game of politics and how to use words better than anybody.
He wants this to stay about race…and that is why he even throws this out now.
I no longer think it is so much about his legacy…I think (and I have no proof of this) but I think it has to do with favors promised. That was a crazy outrageous amount of money for a presidential library…by any standard. a larger financial tribute than any President… and as high as his approval ratings used to be… it’s still too much.
I think promises were made about Hillary running and they are stuck. I think it is the same old same old situation that they have always gotten themselves in only this time they lost…and heads may roll.

Posted by: dl | April 25, 2008, 2:06 pm 2:06 pm

DL – we disagree, but none of what you say is fact-based, so it’s not a matter of right/wrong.
Big difference b/w saying “will obliterate” and “could obliterate” — Iran and others may need the reminder that some US presidents would counter force with force – and that more moderate minds need to reel in extremist thinking.
The inherent threat posed to non-nuclear countries by those w/nuclear weapons is constantly there, regardless of what is said … that’s why everyone who feels like they’re in the US cross-hairs wants them.

Posted by: Sorros | April 25, 2008, 2:08 pm 2:08 pm

Mr. Jim Clyburn statement on the level of anti-Clintons sentiments among African-Americans is not quite so high as per most opinion polls including exit polls.
For instance, the Exit Polls from the Mississippi primary where Barack Obama got 61% to 37% show:
Exit Polls Question: Satisfied if Hillary Clinton wins the nomination?
58% of the MS voters said that they will be satisfied if Hillary Clinton wins. Surprisingly 43% of those voters were Obama supporters.
On the same question: 69% of MS voters will be satisfied if Barack Obama wins the nomination.
The opinion polls have also shown that many African Americans will vote for Hillary Clinton against John McCain.
Mr. Jim Clyburn and other black leaders may be upset because many African American voters are not “bitter” and have a more favorable view of Hillary Clinton than their leaders would like see.

Posted by: Angel | April 25, 2008, 2:09 pm 2:09 pm

Bishop
don’t you think the question should be why in PA with Hillary spending over 6 million dollars (and may turn out to be a lot more) with the whole democratic establishment behind her and it’s campaign system, 15 years of loyalty, a demographic cookie cut for her, and tons of stuff thrown at Obama including a debate that was half question on Obama “scandals” and one about any of the Clinton scandals…
did she lose 10% in 6 weeks…
she has been prepping for this for 7 years and she had 2 exDNC chairs and an ex-president of the United States campaigning for her…
With all of that for her and against him…and she only won in the best state in the union for her…by 9.6%?!
and Obama made progress into the numbers that are her strong point since the similar state of Ohio… it’s just those voters were larger in PA.

Posted by: dl | April 25, 2008, 2:15 pm 2:15 pm

Can someone please tell me what will happen if Obama wins the presidency?
Will he have to denounce his Kenyan citizenship or can the POTUS hold allegience to 2 countries?

Posted by: Mar | April 25, 2008, 2:18 pm 2:18 pm

why do black people think that Obama DESERVE the nomination? Shame on you congressman Clyburn. Shame on the elite media for thinking that whoever the forced on us we will accept. So far Obama has not carry any of the meaningful contest. Yes he has the support of the African American community a key group for the democrats to win in november. but how about the other core groups Hillary is winning. Mr. Clyburn i will suggest you read American history. Read about the election of 1860. is really sad that when anyone question anything about Obama you are consider to be negative.

Posted by: shaw | April 25, 2008, 2:22 pm 2:22 pm

why do black people think that Obama DESERVE the nomination? Shame on you congressman Clyburn. Shame on the elite media for thinking that whoever the forced on us we will accept. So far Obama has not carry any of the meaningful contest. Yes he has the support of the African American community a key group for the democrats to win in november. but how about the other core groups Hillary is winning. Mr. Clyburn i will suggest you read American history. Read about the election of 1860. is really sad that when anyone question anything about Obama you are consider to be negative.

Posted by: shaw | April 25, 2008, 2:23 pm 2:23 pm

Earth to Mr. Clyburn… Reality Check… Obama’s racist pastor, terror bud, real estate sugar daddy, angry wife, and bitter constituents have made him unelectable… the Clintons had absolutely nothing to do with it!

Posted by: HoosierSue | April 25, 2008, 2:41 pm 2:41 pm

“WHY? Because one white women who feels entitled is not going to get her way???”
Maybe it’s not about “one white woman”. Maybe it’s that people of whatEVER color aren’t going to sit still for the installation of a secretive, mob-and-corporations-affiliated candidate just because he has a nice smile and a “black”-looking birthday suit.

Posted by: Belle Starr | April 25, 2008, 2:41 pm 2:41 pm

Hillary is an old-school Democrat, so has deep roots in the party. However, Obama has a wider reach with new voters, young voters and independents. Hillary’s strength is in white, blue-collar voters, hence her strong showing in the Ohio and Penn primaries. I read an article today that polled the youth vote, with Obama ahead 70 percent to 30 percent for Clinton. I think his wider appeal will prover tougher in the general election, where as Clinton appeals more to traditional Democrats. Go ahead and put Hillary in the drivers seat and watch the Democratic party crumble.

Posted by: vninja | April 25, 2008, 2:46 pm 2:46 pm

Jim Jones,
Thank you for reminding others and me about the Clinton scandals. However, I wonder why I’ve read or heard not-a-thing about any of them in the media since Hillary has bid for the White House yet I constantly hear about the media’s crush on Barack?? Could it be they’re protecting her?

Posted by: Perplexed | April 25, 2008, 2:50 pm 2:50 pm

what is all the stuff about associating with ‘radicals’ that means Obama ‘hates America’. The founding fathers were pretty damn radical. People that care deeply about civil liberties, racial & economic justice and the desire to stop the gov’t from leading the world into perpetual war do not hate America, truth is they love it a hell of a lot more than you do, they care enough to fight for freedoms and not sit around thinking wearing a flag pin means you’re patriotic.

Posted by: Dissent is Patriotic | April 25, 2008, 2:56 pm 2:56 pm

Hillary and Bill are hell-bent to win this election by any means. In their minds all is fair in politics. I don’t think that they are hellbent to damage Obama but that will be the result. In their minds it is just politics and they feel they will all laugh about it and shake hands when it is over, win or lose….The Clintons believe politics is a game to win, nothing more…They are playing the American public. McCain and Obama are to a lesser extent too but I don’t get the feeling they enjoy it as much as Hillary and Bill do. And to me it is more than a bit unseemly…

Posted by: indy_voter | April 25, 2008, 3:00 pm 3:00 pm

“what is all the stuff about associating with ‘radicals’ that means Obama ‘hates America’.”
The MUCH more interesting thing about the Ayers family is its corporate clout, which presumably is the REAL attraction for Obama/Axelrod.

Posted by: Belle Starr | April 25, 2008, 3:05 pm 3:05 pm

Amen Dissent is Patriotic… great point. I love the boot in your ass, God Bless America crowd that doesn’t understand a thing about the history of this country being built on radical dissent. This election is the greatest example of how out of touch people are with what is bet for America. Flag pin my ass… who cares. Let’s fix the issues first then worry about who has more patriotic bumper stickers.

Posted by: vninja | April 25, 2008, 3:08 pm 3:08 pm

Jim Clyburn – The Reason Term Limits Are Needed

I am so glad that Representative Jim Clyburn (D-SC) has not officially endorsed Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton for the Democratic nomination. He’s so influential with the black community that his endorsement will sway the support of many black voters

Posted by: Unfiltered Opinion | April 25, 2008, 3:08 pm 3:08 pm

This guilting people for their voting choices is going to backfire. Obama can only play this race card so many times before people are disgusted by it.

Posted by: belle | April 25, 2008, 3:13 pm 3:13 pm

“I don’t think that they are hellbent to damage Obama … ”
Well, THAT train has left the station — and it wasn’t the Clintons who did it. The only hope for the Obama coup was for him to become the Democratic nominee QUICKLY, before anybody looked behind the curtain.
Presumably that’s why the media declared the “phenomenon” at the first primary. Fortunately, it didn’t work: nobody’s ever going to believe the candidate’s hype again — he’s just another pretty corporate face with a huge load of cash, and that “black” thing (pretty bogus, in his case) going on.

Posted by: Belle Starr | April 25, 2008, 3:14 pm 3:14 pm

Jim Clyburn – it’s comments like these that show why term limits are needed.
I’m black and I’m still waiting for someone to ask me my opinion on the issues with Obama and Clinton. I guess I missed Clyburn’s meeting.
People need to stop making this all about race. Does race have something to do with the way people feel about Obama? Of course it does. Is it the only problem people have with Obama? No, it is not.
I could care less if a lot of blacks supported Clinton during his impeachment. A lot of blacks also supported O.J. Simpson when he got off for murdering two innocent people.
So now, according to Clyburn, the Clinton’s should be nice to Obama since the blacks were nice to Clinton. Well with that logic, the Clinton’s should also be nice to the white and Hispanic people who supported Clinton during his impeachment fiasco.
It’s one thing if Clyburn says that Obama and Clinton need to tone down the rhetoric. However, I think it is wrong for Clyburn to solely blame the Clinton’s.

Posted by: Marques | April 25, 2008, 3:17 pm 3:17 pm

It has not been the Clintons nor the media that has dimished Senator Obama’s reputation as a candidate but his very own associations, lies and distortions about his life and record. Since beginning this campaign Senator Obama has been trying to transfer his own dirt and garbage onto the shoulders of other people. That garbage comes from inside Senator Obama. He can’t brush it off and hide it any longer. He is not presidential material. Again, Senator refuses to face the truth head on. James Clyburn and other Black politicians would not condemn Obama even if he had committed murder with witnesses.

Posted by: Mary | April 25, 2008, 3:17 pm 3:17 pm

I say, keep Senator Barack Obama out of the mud. Let Hillary totally bury the Democratic party and make cause for McCain to win in November.
Let McCain force the world into total chaos and ruin. The solution is a longer term proposition. This Primary fiasco and the last eight years under Bush have proved that.

Posted by: dennis | April 25, 2008, 3:19 pm 3:19 pm

So, 90% of Black voters support Obama. Clyburn is Black but claims to be neutral. Are you kidding me? Whatever is coming out of his mouth is not neutral, it is straight from the Obama spin factory. Clyburn is viewing everything from the frame Obama=good, Clinton=bad. He will say anything to get Obama nominated, including things that tarnish the reputation of the only successful Democratic president since Kennedy. Now tell me, who is Hell bound to damage the Democratic party?

Posted by: David H | April 25, 2008, 3:21 pm 3:21 pm

Folk’s, just enter keyword “Hillary Clinton fired from the Watergate committee”, just read it an ask why isn’t this in the mainstream press or brought by the Obama campaign. It may be negative but it is the truth, instead of innuendo or guilt by association as the Clinton folks often do. Frankly I was flabbergasted when I read this amazing story OF Hillary’s long time habit of lying.

Posted by: Fred Leverenz | April 25, 2008, 3:26 pm 3:26 pm

“make cause for McCain to win in November.”
A major percentage of Republicans voted AGAINST McCain in the Pennsylvania primary. Depending on which way the Democrats go, the Republican candidate COULD be someone else.
If Democrats want to WIN the November election, they’d do well to scuttle Obama AND — for the good of the party, blabla — Clinton, and bring back John Edwards.
The party’s delegates can overcome the machinations of the party’s right-wing “leadership”, which would rather lose the election than lose control of the power.
They’d better: the price of groceries has about doubled. This is, of course, a mere annoyance to the well-salaried and the rich — but by November, the country outside the estates and gated suburbs is likely to look like The Grapes of Wrath, only with way more guns.

Posted by: Belle Starr | April 25, 2008, 3:39 pm 3:39 pm

“the “boys-are-piling-on-me” card, the I’m a woman card”
Are at LEAST as valid as the “black” card, especially when the “black” card is played by an always-privileged person who was raised by, and runs with, and is run by, white people.

Posted by: Belle Starr | April 25, 2008, 3:46 pm 3:46 pm

I wonder how my black brothers and sisters would feel if they knew that when obama and his team were planning their run-there was a decision that he did not want to appear to black-
so who is obama-we know it seems he does not try to indetify with his
AMERICAN part of his african-AMERICAN self.and there was a planned effort to not id with the black part that he claimes.
I think mr. cylburn is acting crazy
mr. obama who we all (black and white and otherwise) did not know-who has not real political resume’ or civil rights resume’ steps on the scene and decides he wants to run for president-but I do not want to confer with any of the civil rights people who have been working on civil rights for the last 70years.-in essence saying-we are not going to do it that way anymore and we do not need your help.
I would not be suprised if mr. clyburn is just trying to negotiate a better deal from the “daddy obama” big wallet.
no this is guilt talking here
bill clinton I do believe has worked very hard to help the further civil rights and the black/white relations in this country-i do believe bill clinton has tried to level the playing field.
so for the black community to turn on him-and back obama-whose only claim to the black american experience is his face is brown-is crazy
so clyburn now trying to justify why they turned on bill clinton-by blaming bill clinton.
nothing but guilt talking from clyburn.
bill clinton did not start this race thing
obama and his camp did.
they had to do something to draw the black vote away from Sen. clinton.
the clintons had no advantage to playing the race care.
obama had “12 wins in a row and an in the tank media” to play the race card.
and behind closed doors-
mr. clyburn knows it.
and I do believe when this is all said and done-the clintons will continue to do the good that they can to better what part of the world they can-and that will include black people too.
and when this is all over with maybe mr. obama will go back and try to serve the people of ill. better. instead of spending time at the wine and chesse parties of the elities radical lefty
country club.

Posted by: jgaw | April 25, 2008, 3:46 pm 3:46 pm

steve and rick
The Obama ads that were run in Fl were national ads not just for Fl. National cable networks said there was no way they could excude Fl. So you can’t really blame it all on him.

Posted by: candy | April 25, 2008, 3:51 pm 3:51 pm

NOTE: Clyburn will be on MSNBC later w/Keith Olbermann. They’re promo-ing him as “neutral”. Hahaha.
Congressman Clyburn “repeated the speculation that Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, is looking to destroy Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, so that Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., wins the White House in November and Clinton can make another run in 2012 …
Clyburn did not call for Clinton to bow out, just to take the rhetoric down a notch.”
Maybe Clyburn isn’t exactly the best person to be calling on OTHERS to “take the rhetoric down a notch”?!

Posted by: Belle Starr | April 25, 2008, 3:57 pm 3:57 pm

“We are moving in a new direction and have two great candidates to prove it.”
They are nearly identical candidates, except for being “black” (sort of) and “female” (married to a former president).
If we want to move in a new direction, we’d better nominate John Edwards.

Posted by: Belle Starr | April 25, 2008, 4:04 pm 4:04 pm

McCain cannot remember the opponents names in Iraq. He has to take a neurological exam before we should be subjected to Reagan’s excuses that he ‘didnt remember’ when the CIA ran amok.
McCain approves of waterboarding prisoners.
No Geneva convention for them, then no Geneva convention for our Americans if they are captured.
And what’s worse? Waterboarding the enemy or waterboarding US citizens. McCain doesnt make any distinctions.

Posted by: bruce becker | April 25, 2008, 4:08 pm 4:08 pm

Clinton supports the anti terror bill that eliminated your rights as citizens. Vote no on HRC and the Bush bill of no rights.
You have no right to even know if you have been accused of a crime or if you just offended some right wing nut in a bar.
Only Obama will restore the Constitution.

Posted by: bruce becker | April 25, 2008, 4:11 pm 4:11 pm

The worst part of the Clinton spin is that MICH or Florida count. Everyone knows the rules. They just dont apply to the Clintons.

Posted by: bruce becker | April 25, 2008, 4:15 pm 4:15 pm

To Cali
“After months of saying she would not move the primary date, South Carolina Democratic Party chairwoman Carol Fowler said last week that she would soon decide whether to ask the DNC and the state party’s executive committee to move the primary up to Jan. 19 from its current date of Jan. 29.”
What does this have to do with Clyburn staying neutral to have the primary moved. It wasn’t even his decision.

Posted by: moe | April 25, 2008, 4:22 pm 4:22 pm

I am a Hillary supporter, and even though I don’t think she has personaly said or implied anything racial in this contest her husband has. President Clinton does owe alot to Congressional Black Cauces and the african american voters, he probably would not have been president without their votes. I am a white working class voter from PA. I felt a bit insulted by Obama’s comments also, but I think the honest and smart thing for President Clinton to do is publicly apologize to Clyburn and the voters promptly.I like him but sometimes he has a real big mouth and he is doing Hillary no favors…..

Posted by: Jim | April 25, 2008, 4:23 pm 4:23 pm

a gerbil would beat McCain in the fall.
Stop the worrying. Whichever DEM wins will smash McSame.
1. Senile. Can not remember details. Ask anyone in the Senate. “He is not a detail man”.
That translates as he has no short term memory.
2. former prisoner approves waterboarding prisoners to appeal to right wing voters.
Tell this to the Marines in harm’s way.
He has approved the end of the Constitution.
What are we fighting for if we dont get any rights?
He has no chance. He will get the Huckleberry vote, the 27% fundementalists who want to deny civil rights to persons unlike themselves, and to put a religion into the white house.
There is still separation of church and state.

Posted by: bruce becker | April 25, 2008, 4:25 pm 4:25 pm

Why is it that when a African-American man or woman comes out and criticizes Hillary or Bill about “tactics”; and they are playing the “race card, that it is a disgrace and disingenuous? Well,
that’s bull. I’m African-American and I know what they are trying to say, that the Clintons are racists. That is not true. Obama is racist. He hates white people. That’s why I won’t vote for him because he’s supposed to be color blind but he has been “indoctrinated” to dislike white people. I know because I grew up with people like Obama. He’s got a radical core but he projects something else. Trust me, I know.

Posted by: Lois, California | April 25, 2008, 4:44 pm 4:44 pm

I have seen many interesting comments in this blog for both sides, but I have not seen anyone grasp the true “endgame” for both sides (especially the Clintons).
Who have been the real power broker and leader of the Democrat party since 1992- Bill Clinton.
Who has pretty much (over these 15 years) formed the Democrat Party Machine (or the DNC) and everyone in that machine is in his debt for their position- Bill Clinton.
Now, in 2000 Gore pretty much had to get the nomination because he was the vice and tradition dictated he be given a chance. But really how hard did the machine work for him, hard, but who rarely actively campaigned for Gore- Bill Clinton (of course he was a bit of an embarrassment at that time).
If Gore won then after 2 possible terms (with HRC in the Senate – getting that experience chip and news coverage) it would now (2008) be HRC turn to take her appointed nomination. But I think the machine really did not want Gore to win too badly you see since Bill would no longer be the power broker running the machine – it would have been Gore (if elected) I wonder how hard they (the machine) really tried, Gore seems quite distant to Clinton ever since- I think he knew the “fix was in”. Who remained the puppet master – Bill Clinton
Now in 2004 it was dicey, too early for HRC, and Bush was too strong, but if a Democrat won that year then HRC would be out of the picture for good to run for president. What to do? Well, make CERTAIN that a liberal east coast democrat gets the nomination, folks let’s face it, anything is possible except a liberal east coast democrat winning the presidency (that is a fact show many times over). The machine simply maneuvered Kerry in as a “sacrificial lamb” who’s only purpose was to do the assured – LOSE! Who is running the DNC machine – Bill Clinton
Now, if anyone really doubts that Bill and the machine he built and runs had ever had any other plan than to keep Bill in charge (the machine was built by him- for him, and everyone in it is beholding to him for their position). If Bill is replaced then so are they in time, and they like their power and jobs too. The only way was HRC as president, not anyone else, in fact, it would solidify them in position like no one in history.
2008- HRC was all but anointed as the “certain” candidate for the democrat party, but the machine had not counted on BHO, that was a situation that was not in the plans – EVER! It was certain to be over by super Tuesday – not even any plans or money contingencies after that. BHO turned all the machine plans upside down- they never “saw the bolt that hit them”. The definitely want HRC to be the candidate and even better the president, but the last thing they want is BHO to be president, Gone will be Bill as the real power of his machine, gone will be the people in the machine — - that WILL NOT DO — - PERIOD.
So follow me here, they have little to lose really if HRC or BHO lose in NOV., but the worst case is if BHO wins in Nov. So they will not hesitate to run this primary till the bitter end and get nasty to decrease BHO chances of winning in Nov., so what if the party is split, they are still in charge. They have to stop BHO anyway they can, they can’t be sure that McCain can stop him, but between McCain and the Clinton machine, BHO hardly stands a chance. GIVE THIS SOME THOUGHT!
I voted for BHO in the primary, by the way

Posted by: Jim | April 25, 2008, 4:57 pm 4:57 pm

The Clintons’ clan had always been morally bankrupt entity. It is the African American community’s naivety that they have so successfully exploited in the past to an extent that the African American community was made to believe that he was one of them! Now that they Clintons are on mission, determined to go the length for White House, that Obama from nowhere appears to prevent them to achieve their long-time thought and planned goal, that the Congressman from SC as well as the entire African American community seem to be discovering who the guys Clintons are and their determination to not only atomize Obama, but also to explode the Democratic Party. The white US citizens want to punish the African community for having defended the Clintons as the most immoral and corrupted beings the time they needed to be put out. Now that the African American community is discovering who the Clintons really are, (bunch of venomous snakes) they are please to tell the African American members. You deserve!

Posted by: tetedaku | April 25, 2008, 5:08 pm 5:08 pm

James Clyburn, you ole’ spiritual, wade in the water, backwards ole’time Democrat from the ole’ time good ole’ boys backroom and backwoods wheeling and dealing politician (ans I use the word politician loosely).
You rode the coat tails of Bill and Hillary Clinton FOREVER, and now your racist, race-baiting, duplicitious, backbiting self sees the chance to have a so-called Black Man in the white house and your black nationalist, racist sheet came out of the back of your closet.
With your race baiting statements against Bill Clinton, you sir, to me an African American, lifelong Democrat are no better than David Duke.
Please “chill out” and stop making our leaders look ignorant and racist.
After all, my children are watching.

Posted by: informed democrat | April 25, 2008, 5:15 pm 5:15 pm

I believe Bill is trying to do exactly that. This way if Obama is the nominee they hope he loses to McCain and then Hillary can run again in 2012

Posted by: lisa | April 25, 2008, 5:18 pm 5:18 pm

People have compared Obama with JFK & Lincoln. Both Junior members of Congress / Senate before entering office. Both young and represented Change….
Both DIED IN OFFICE.
Look closely at who is chosen for VP. This year, it might really be important.
With all the turmoil in the world, Global Warming, etc., doomsday analysts pointing to the end times, including all the ancient calendars pointing to 2012 as the end of time …. who knows….
Maybe it can be stopped.
What the world needs now is not more war and in-fighting, but love – unity – peace – understanding – brotherhood.
Obama may provide the right leadership at the right time in history. It’s time for a leader to stand and provide change. It’s time for a revolution – not with guns, but with words and action – not of force, but of strength & wisdom.
This Republican isn’t sold on McCain – definitely not ready for another Clinton in the house. Obama needs to stand on his own – not the actions of other that may have shaped some of who he’s become.
It isn’t unheard of listening to other points of view – to know what you don’t want, or hearing the other side and making up your own mind. Perhaps, he’s heard enough of what’s wrong and has determined potential solutions – and is willing to work with the common elements to unite instead of using differences to divide.
His plans have not been completely unveiled for the public to see – because we would get bogged down in the details, that make us uncomfortable. They may hurt some, while helping the greater good. Time will tell – if he gets a chance to get very far. He deserves a chance – so far, he’s earned it.

Posted by: Doug | April 25, 2008, 5:20 pm 5:20 pm

Apparently like so many Obama supporters, the Representative believes we should just annoint Obama the nominee. If it wasn’t for pesky voters in Texas, Ohio and PA the primaries would be over. Senator Clinton stays in the race because a lot of people want her to. These people gave $10 million to her campaign after PA. Believe me the Republicans are not going to anoint a Democrat as President. Grow up all of you.

Posted by: Kathy Corey | April 25, 2008, 5:21 pm 5:21 pm

Dear Honorable Clyburn:
I wish to thank you for your political neutrality. I also respect your honesty, in proclaiming that many African-Americans believe that Senator Clinton wishes to destroy Senator Obama beyond political repair. However, please remember that President Clinton has declared that a Clinton-Obama Dream Team would be unstoppable, sweeping America in political triumph. And Senator Clinton has also embraced the idea of a Dream Team. Historically, fierce competition within each political party primary has always been fair game. And if Senator Obama is unable to withstand the heat from Senator Clinton, he will most certainly succumb to attacks from the Republican Attack Machine. If Senator Obama fails in the primary, it will be from his own undoing. I have yet to hear him embrace the idea of the Dream Team, even the Obama-Clinton version. I encourage you to press fully for the Dream Team, which would mostly certainly resolve the dilemna the Democratic Party finds itself in. And the Team would most assuredly triumph across America in the national election – a win-win situation for all. Thank you for your time and your thoughts.

Posted by: Franklyn | April 25, 2008, 5:22 pm 5:22 pm

James Clyburn try to make the medias who are bias to Mrs. Clinton busy for his news, intead the add of Rev Wright in NC.

Posted by: Abdullah | April 25, 2008, 5:24 pm 5:24 pm

I think (and hope) that everyone is waking up to the fact, that the Clintons only care about themselves. Anyone not voting for them are labeled “unimportant”, whether it be a race, gender, state, or other demographic group.
That’s just how they are.

Posted by: wolf | April 25, 2008, 6:21 pm 6:21 pm

oops, i used the word boy somewhere in my comment, OH OH! I’m a racist now, pish posh. Clyburn, Obama wont be annointed, he has to fight for it, and Bill/Hillary have every right to fight back, but “oh, whaa, they may deny us first black president” Well, Obama may deny many more women of their ‘first’ SO? It’s stupid when women come out against Obama for that reason, and its stupid for you do it. SHAME ON YOU, CLYBURN! Meet me in Ohio!

Posted by: rigs | April 25, 2008, 6:47 pm 6:47 pm

Clyburn, Exit polls and charges of racism, NYT op-ed pieces, one or two 3rd tier endorsements – this is what Obama offers to mask his overwhelming defeat in PA. where he spent more than any other candidate EVER – and still lost!
Rep. Clyburn – you’re being played!!!!!

Posted by: s. valenti | April 25, 2008, 6:47 pm 6:47 pm

This part of the game the obama campaign said they would play after Penn. was lost to them. Who knew it would come in the voice of a (neutral) congressman not on the (payroll).
They said they were going to more negative I guess they meant 75% percent instead of 50%.

Posted by: toby | April 25, 2008, 6:53 pm 6:53 pm

An also I think this call of racism every day is backfiring on his campaign. Because I am tire of this stuff for every little thing it racism. PLEASE!!!
the obama camp started this stuff in SC after NH and now they continue to this day. If working people who dont want a Unity Pony doesnt vote for him we are all racist. STOP and Quit the race obama.

Posted by: toby | April 25, 2008, 6:57 pm 6:57 pm

so here’s the story!
As you can see from the win for Obama in Iowa, whites are more than ready to vote for a black man.
At that time, Obama came across and a great orator and NO BAGGAGE!
Travelling light is truly the way to go…. but everyone has a history. And as time went by, more and more of Obama’s history was uncovered.
And some of it was unsavory…. like his permitting Rezko’s tenements and tenants to go heatless because Rezko claimed he didn’t have money to pay the bill…… While at the same time, Obama was taking money from him
And some of it was “unfinished” like his 135 “present” votes.
And some of it was downright evil…. like his voting for late term (live) abortions!
And some of it was scary…..like his being a magnetic field for such anti democracy people as Auchi and Ayers, and his contacts in Hamas and…. of course, his beloved pastor, Mr. Wright.
It’s kind of like the onion tale….. as the layers are peeled, more of the fleshy part of the fruit is revealed…. and more of the SMELL!!!!!
Back to the beginning.
There were A LOT of white folk who were willing to vote for Obama…back then.
So do not say this is about race…. (Unless you’re ready to admit that this very well might be a reverse-race case ;-) )
But eventually, the warm fuzzy feeling that emanated from Obama…was overpowered for some by the smell of the onion…
And I think it’s time to be honest:
Obama is NOT Martin Luther King!
As for me, I don’t want his associates formulating foreign policy for my country in the oval room of the White House…… or anyplace else
I’ll take my chances AND chanGEs with Hillary!

Posted by: eyes open | April 25, 2008, 7:00 pm 7:00 pm

Clyburn is repeating conspiracy theories found on Obama blogs – about Hillary and 2012.
Reminds me of Judy Miller’s NYT articles based on bogus info provided by BushCo.
Then Cheney goes on Meet the Press and holds up the NYT and says – “see, there are WMDs in Iraq.”
Clyburn really stooped low for this one.

Posted by: JoseyJ | April 25, 2008, 7:39 pm 7:39 pm

Clyburn didn’t seem to mind Oprahpalooza rallies – Oprah telling African Americans to vote for THE ONE -
the black one!
Didn’t hear a peep out of Clyburn after Jesse Jackson’s racist remarks about Hillary during the NH primary – “she didn’t cry over Katrina victims.”
Nothing from Clyburn about Obama’s sexist remarks about Hillary – “her claws come out” and she’s “too emotional.”
Hillary has been too kind to Obama!

Posted by: JoseyJ | April 25, 2008, 7:44 pm 7:44 pm

Okay, here we go again. It was predicted by a number of individuals that the Obama supporters would try to play the race card shortly before NC and, sure enough, Clyburn is out there trying to get the AA’s riled up again over some imaginary trumped up claim. Obama is damaging himself by “clinging” statements and promoting McCain for president. Clyburn is so transparent it is ridiculous. This is the kind of stuff that is setting race relations back by 25 years. Obama chose to set in front of a crackpot minister for 20 years listening to him spew racist remarks. No way would I sit in front of a minister for 20 years and listen to him say derogatory remarks about AA’s. I’d get up and walk out and even if I was related to the minister, I would take him to task over the remarks and if he didn’t stop it, I’d go find another church. Chicago is a big town, there have to be an assortment of AA churches. Oprah got up and walked out.

Posted by: jkr | April 25, 2008, 8:19 pm 8:19 pm

I hope any of my black brothers and siters reading this will just ask yourselves a few questions.
Why has obama snubbed the Black press?
Why did obama decline the invitation to speak at the State of the Black union?
(for every election year that it has been going on the presidental cand. gave a speech-except barack)
Why did obama and his handlers purposely say no thanks to meeting with the established black leadership.
(obama does not care about the special needs of the black community)
Mr. clyburn should remember-at least bill clinton tried to include black people at the table.
obama’ table was already filled. before the black people showed up.
this question really is who is barack obama-the uniter-he and his people have managed to divide this country and set race relations back 50 years.
and if you think about it this is right in line with his leftist radical supporters and I believe his views and their agenda-they would love for this country to be torn up.
the only way we can heal race relations
is to first unite to try to resolve the ecomonic issue for all.
obama cannot do that.
if you want real equality
vote for hillary-she is the strongest on the economy.
obama only copies.
obama will have people back in the welfare line, on food stamps, and remodeling the projects-that bill clinton started to tear down and build good housing.
a vote for obama is a vote against YOUR economic interest.
think about it people…

Posted by: jgaw | April 25, 2008, 8:28 pm 8:28 pm

You Democrats amaze me. Why does your party always run candidates who are losers? Can’t the Democratic Party find any candidates out there who are level headed and morally acceptable to Main Street America? The Clintons are losers and now Obama. Why didn’t the Democrats support a good and decent candidate like Senator Joe Biden? He has the foreign policy experience and the legislative background to be a good commander-in-chief. But, oh no, the Dems want to make history! Well, you folks will soon see that liberalism in America is about to become history.

Posted by: Larkin G. Mead | April 25, 2008, 8:44 pm 8:44 pm

Oh along comes the race card again!

Posted by: Abdy | April 25, 2008, 8:59 pm 8:59 pm

Right on cue after taking a BIG bashing in a BIG state, out come the Obama surrogates bashing Hillary for making Obama look bad and crying racism! This is getting ridiculous! Obama has drafted his new strategy for avoiding debates, revotes in MI and FL and interviews, anytime there is any criticism of him, his friends, his associates, his pastor, his secret comments made at fancy parties, cry RACISM! After all, Obama is uniting our country in his quest for the presidency.
SAY NO TO THE MEDIA CHOOSING THE NOMINEE!

Posted by: calli | April 25, 2008, 11:13 pm 11:13 pm

Hillary and McCain are working together-Hillary may even become a Republican and be the Vice- President with McCain-She is not a Democrat she is whatever she needs to be to win. She is not loyal to any party -SHE DOES NOT CARE IF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS DIVIDED -She is POWER hungry. But right now their JOINT goal is to destroy Obama because if he’s in THEY CAN’T WIN.

Posted by: linda jackson | April 25, 2008, 11:35 pm 11:35 pm

jgaw,
Tavis Smiley was forced to quit his Tom Joyner radio gig because he critcized Obama for not attending his black issues forum -which Clinton did. So even black folks who has worked their entire adult lives to better black people are being thrown under the bus by racist black Obama supporters.

Posted by: geevill | April 25, 2008, 11:52 pm 11:52 pm

The division within the party is sickening to see in these comments. Hillary was unable to close the deal and is behind now, so much she cannot catch up. So, she invents alternative interpretations of how the delegate math should be played. Apparently, it includes only the states she won. Why did she opt for a big-state strategy? Didn’t she read the rules before the game began? I really wouldn’t think of entrusting the welfare of the country to someone who has run such an incompetent campaign. When you start with all the advantages, and your back is up against the wall for almost 5 months now, this is not a position I ever want my country to be in , and it seems like a too likely place with her at the helm. I’m not afraid of her inability to handle the 3 a.m. calls. I’m afraid of the quagmire, because she cannot detach and get her ego separated from what is good for the country. She strikes me as a lot like Bush, who was anticipating an easy win in Iraq and got us into a 100 year quagmire that will bleed this country just as bin Laden so fervently hopes it will. In the same way Hillary underestimated the fight she faced , and was as helpless after super Tuesday, as the Americans were in Bagdad when the post-invasion rioting began. Like Bush, she sees nothing wrong with America paying the price for her incompetency. She has 0 judgment if she didn’t foresee this result from her desperate come-from-behind assault on the Democratic Party. She has sickened not just blacks, but others with her gutter fighting. Why are the wise heads of the party against her: Kennedy, Carter , Pelosi, Richardson, Dodd, Kerry, if she is so exactly what this country needs? I am a 55 year old woman and I would cringe if she became President. A lot of people are thinking Lady MacBeth. It’s absurd to say Obama played the race card. Edward Kennedy pleaded with Bill Clinton to elevate the tone of their campaign to make it respectful. When he wouldn’t back off he endorsed Obama. This same judgment has been made again and again: white politicians have abandoned her because they are upset with the way she has “fun”. The rest of the country is just laughing at the spectacle. She is ‘rebranding’ the Democratic Party and it most decidedly is not good. People are wondering why someone with authority does not tell her you don’t get to change the rules just because you are losing by them. Her sense of entitlemengt is truly staggering. Her instincts are 100% wrong for this dangerous period in history. She gets backed into a corner and spits and claws. I think we need a calmer temperament at the helm. These “stay the course” types have not been good for the country. We don’t need her swagger. I think she is trying to win the 2000 election or the 2004, so she thinks she has to be Bush II to win. We’ve already been there, done that, and if all she is going to offer is a Bush clone, just as she did on the Iraq vote, she’s not going to be the next President. McCain fills that role already. Hillary, close the deal!! We need to see you can attract the black vote and not just 15%. It is so cynical to bray about how Obama is having trouble with the Bush Democrats, who are useless without the other parts of the party anyway, while not acknowledging that you are having even worse problems with the black vote. I am glad Representative Clyburne spoke out, because for all the discussion about race, he finally made me see how it must feel in this country to be black. I really don’t think the Democrats deserve the black vote. Hillary’s focus on Pennsyvania amounts to no more than an underlying assumption that a white man’s vote should count for more than a
black man’s. How long ago was the Civil War? So Obama is talking down to the white folk, she claims. He’s an elitist, she says. So why is he campaigning his heart out to get their vote? I haven’t seen her going much out of her way to court the black vote. But, unless black votes are inherently of less worth than a white vote, she should be spending 90% of her time on the black vote she can’t seem to close the deal with. It has been shocking to discover racism so deeply embedded in the heart of the Democratic Party. I hope Hillary and Bill Clinton can hear what he is saying. It is so important for them to get. No amount of attention to the issues, can give you a free pass
to unthinkingly devalue anyone else’s vote. Especially with all the emphasis on every state voting and Florida and Michigan.
Well, there is a way to heal the Party. Clinton and Obama need to turn the next few primaries on their head. Clinton does nothing but court the black vote with Obama’s blessing and he gets to address the Reagan Democrats with her full blessing. We get mirror image voting patterns and everyone feels they are respected. They agree to flip a coin for 1 and 2. All the bitterness is gone. Then they sweep America even if they can’t stand each other. It’ll work!

Posted by: Tina | April 26, 2008, 12:01 am 12:01 am

I too believe Hilary and Bill Clinton are attempting to take Barack Obama down. Mr. Clyburn has spoken facts. He has been around long enough to know how politics in Washington work.
When Hilary and Bill Clinton met with Richard Mellon Scaife in Pennsylvania and got his endorsement, I knew plans were being made. Scaife a Republican is same person who financed the investigation to take down then President Bill Clinton. Mr. Scaife belongs to a pretty nasty group of Republicans that handle the dirty projects to get their candidate elected. And Republicans are already attacking Barack Obama. Some mutual agreement between the Clintons and Scaife will eventually come out.
These elected officials who are paid by the government should have to follows same legal work place laws. The Senate and Congress each have rules they must abide by. Each candidate is legally responsible for their campaign and individuals associated with their campaign. Workers in the workplace are fired for any discrimination conduct.
Is anyone taking these individuals on????
This is 2008 and such conduct should not be tolerated. FYI – I am a Republican caucasian and am very disappointed. Democratic Race has been exciting and if my choice wins Democratic nomination I will vote for the Democrat.

Posted by: Sharon | April 26, 2008, 12:04 am 12:04 am

Role Model for Children – Obama
A week ago Obama gave the ‘finger’ to Hillary on national television and smugly laughed about it with his audience. Is this type of malicious immaturity what you want your children to learn: lack of tolerance, vengeance and the bully mentality? After that one event, besides the mindless and uneducated, how could anyone seriously consider this Obama for any office?
Also, Obama’s state-senate candidacy was launched at Weather Underground bombers Ayers house in 1995. Ayers who advocates the violent destruction of America may have much more to do with promoting Obama than we know. The organization MoveOn has aggressively intimidated delegates to vote for Obama and to shun Hillary and is likely closely connected with Ayers. Ayers finally got his bomb – Obama.
Obama also rigged his election to become senator by unfairly disqualifying his opponents. He did this by meticulously finding fault with each of the other candidates signed petitions until each of the contenders had to drop out, Obama was the last one standing, there was no election. This was another finger gesture towards the American public by Obama.
If this isn’t enough, look at Obama’s affiliations:
Wright
Meeks
Ayers
Abongo “Roy” Obama
Rashid Khalidi
Robert Malley
Hamas
McPeaks
Rezko
Auchi
And the list goes on…
This may be the time of the Anti-Christ, but do you want to be on the list of people who voted for him?

Posted by: Samuel Redson | April 26, 2008, 2:52 am 2:52 am

ROFL Who is the racist < I think Mr obama should be called to the floor for his elitist comments to sf billionaires.
Bottom line Obamas message to america , if your uneducated, white and a racist
you will not vote for me . I won't vote for Obama because of his record. I won't vote for obabma because of his associations with wright, farakahn,rezko and iranian billionaires. I will not vote for obama because he's lied about his funding. I will not vote for obama because his liberal stances, i will not vote for obama because his statements of new politics is backed by old politics, kerry and kennedy pelosi, reid who have lower numbers then bush.

Posted by: Carol | April 26, 2008, 8:04 am 8:04 am

So now an Obama surrogate has brought up the Monica attack…….they were doing it on CNN too, And they are using the Monica attack wrapped in the threat that Black voters will abandon Clinton if she wins….wonder if well see more of this. This is not the Clinton’s attacking anyone this is the low down new politics of Obama,
Politics as usual on both sides!

Posted by: Jackie | April 26, 2008, 10:10 am 10:10 am

Amazed:
Let’s not forget how Bill Clinton
had a chance to get Osama Bin Laden from
the Sudan and turned them down!
Let’s not forget the first World Trade
Center Bombing,let’s not forget the
Oklahoma City Bombing, let’s not forget
the bombing of the U.S.S. Cole!
Let’s not forget that Clinton’s Attorney
General Janet Reno and her Assistant,
Jamie Gorelick set up the intelligence
wall between the FBI and the CIA which prevented them from sharing information
and resulted in the 9/11 plot not being discovered in time!
It seems to me that a lot of the supporters of Hillary Clinton have forgotten these facts or just don’t care!

Posted by: reaganfan | April 26, 2008, 11:43 am 11:43 am

the one person who wants to keep the race conversation going is
Barack obama
it keeps us from hearing what he has to say about the issues that face us today.

Posted by: jgaw | April 26, 2008, 2:53 pm 2:53 pm

There is NO WAY in hell that I would EVER vote for HILLARY Clinton.
As far as Obama giving Hillary the middle finger, review the tape and release yourself from being stuck on stupid!

Posted by: Faithe | April 26, 2008, 10:18 pm 10:18 pm

Kerri,
BRAVO
BRAVO
BRAVO
CLAP
CLAP
CLAP
I agree Kerri. I personally am insulted that her campaign has been conducted in the manner that it has. Nothing but division by race, gender, income levels….you name it, she has manipulated her way to where she is now. She hasn’t done nothing in this life to be where she is, not one thing. I agree with you and so do countless other women. Well said.

Posted by: Denise | April 26, 2008, 10:58 pm 10:58 pm

Please what was Bill suppose to just lay down for Obama, Sorry thats his wife and she is the better candidate.
He is so unelectable its not even funny,
has to go away.

Posted by: Melissa | April 27, 2008, 12:34 am 12:34 am

Rick, here’s something about
Hillary and Michigan you should know:
Clinton herself said, in October 2007, “It’s clear, this election they’re having is not going to count for anything.” She said she was keeping her name on the ballot (unlike her competitors) just so when it came time for the general election she could argue she had not ignored the state.
It wasn’t until Clinton lost the Iowa caucuses in January that she acted as if the Florida and Michigan contests had any meaning at all. As Tallahassee political journalist S.V. Dáte recently wrote in Slate, “Last summer and fall, when the DNC made these decisions, she had a lot more clout. She exercised none of it.”

Posted by: reaganfan | April 27, 2008, 1:13 am 1:13 am

Clyburn is full of himself. Obama’s campaign has played the race card over and over. Anything about Obama that is less than praise is deemed racist by his supporters and his campaign. All those Hillary voters in Pennsylvania were racists..Ferraro was labeled a a racist. For the Clintons to be labeled racists is absurd. Obama people need to look in the mirror. They also need to stop blaming Clinton for his problems with voters. Clinton did not make him sit in Wright’s church. She did not make him put his foot in his mouth in San Francisco. She did not write Michelle Obama’s famous speech. She did not make JODIE EVANS support Obama…wait for that one to hit mainstream.

Posted by: mpwdc | April 27, 2008, 3:48 am 3:48 am

Perhaps Clinton is trying to save us from our own stupidity.
The “list” is growing:
Wright
Meeks
Ayers
Abongo “Roy” Obama
Rashid Khalidi
Robert Malley
Hamas
McPeaks
Rezko
Auchi
Jodie Evans Code Pink

Posted by: mpwdc | April 27, 2008, 4:01 am 4:01 am

It’s funny that Clinton flat-out lies about things, and in the case of the Bosnia sniper story, she admitted during the ABC debate that she made it up when she said it! It came out of her mouth. Yet Clinton can only attach Obama and his campaign to another public scandal.
Obama is responsible for a preacher’s words – and in comparison, he’s no worse than Limbaugh, who supports Clinton. According to Clinton and her supporters, Obama is responsible for the media’s comments against her. Clinton criticized Obama for casting a vote in the senate that Clinton herself voted for.
Yet after all of that, during the debate, Obama (essentially) forgave Clinton for her lies. And she decided to attack tenfold.
I don’t want women out there to think that’s the right way to get what we want. I am disappointed in how Clinton acts, and I’m afraid only her own personal agenda will ever gain her focus.
Clinton is a spoiled rich bully that will do anything to get her way. She has the money and power to intimidate a vote, and she uses her gender to sway votes – kind of disgusting to me.
Vote for Obama during your primary & in November 2008!

Posted by: Jen Boileau | April 27, 2008, 2:29 pm 2:29 pm

Same ole’ same ole’. When Obama send out false flyers and I personally have heard him making false statements, it is okay. But let Hillary or Bill defend themselves or show Obama is what Obama is. It is called racist. Look how ABC was chastised for one debate after Hillary took the guff for 20 debates. There are not any two people in politics today who have done more for the blacks and the little guy than the Clintons. Yet who really turned their backs on the Clintons for one of their color including Clyburn? I know the frustration, having been a victim of reverse discrimination after working for years for integration in the schools. First you are terribly hurt, then you get frustrated, then you get mad. We all know that Bill Clinton was even said to be the first black president. That is why we have to vote for Hillary. The world leaders won’t give slack for the race card when you are a president of a country like ours.

Posted by: Davanna2 | April 27, 2008, 4:50 pm 4:50 pm

I find it pretty comical that the pundits and Obama camp think McCain (and Rove – who’s working for him) won’t be able to figure out how to attack Obama without Clinton’s help. Give me a break. For example, McCain is now saying he knows of other offensive statements made by Rev. Wright.
This is an absurd, completely lame argument

Posted by: Teri B. | April 27, 2008, 6:43 pm 6:43 pm

Despite being an outsider, i have been following up you campaigns but there things that make me see Americans as hopeless people. For example, how do you associate someone with his ex-pastor? Would you take responsibility for your ex-wife or girlfriend doings? This makes me see as “not so serious people” as we think you’re.
I have gone through the comments up and i think race is still haunting America, trust me. I am surprised that at this era there still some whites Americans who cant vote for Obama because he is black? God damn America.

Posted by: Richard | April 27, 2008, 11:42 pm 11:42 pm

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