Dean: Dem Race Comes Down to Electability
ABC News’ Jonathan Greenberger and Teddy Davis Report: In an interview set to appear in Saturday’s Financial Times, Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean says that he thinks the Democratic race for president will come down to superdelegates’ perception of electability.
"I think the race is going to come down to the perception in the last six or eight races of who the best opponent for McCain will be. I do not think in the long run it will come down to the popular vote or anything else," said Dean.
Dean added that he thinks it is "very unlikely" that the superdelegates will elevate a candidate who is trailing in pledged delegates and the popular vote before adding that "it is possible" and that superdelegates have "every right to do it."
Asked about speculation that a senior party figure like former Vice President Al Gore or House Speaker Nancy Pelosi could prevail on one of the candidates to withdraw after June 3, Dean dismissed the scenario as "total bullshit."
Dean has gone out of his way to be impartial in the 2008 race. His early opposition to the Iraq war lines up with Obama, and he criticized the Clinton ’90s in "You Have the Power," the book he wrote after his failed ’04 White House bid.
But his comments to the Financial Times are interesting because they play into the Clinton campaign’s closing argument: that uncommitted superdelegates should feel free to buck the pledged-delegate leader and choose the candidate perceived to be most electable at the end of the nominating process.
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I think that Dean is trying to remain impartial and not put pressure on the superdelegates in terms of who they vote for.
Although I am for Obama, I think the superdelegates should choose who they want.
Posted by: Stacey | April 25, 2008, 6:39 pm 6:39 pm
Ha, finally Dean is talking something that makes sense. It’s all about electability. Democrats can’t make another mistake as they did with McGovern, Dukakis or Kerry. Obama is not electable!
Posted by: John_Chgo | April 25, 2008, 6:41 pm 6:41 pm
That should be exactly the dems race about: to pick the best candidate to beat McCain…
SD should exercise their own judgment to make their own choice….
Posted by: True Truth | April 25, 2008, 6:46 pm 6:46 pm
How about investigating that Obama is givng MONEY to the DNC to campaign with.
He is trying to BUY superdelegates and Dean needs to step up and denounce this!
Obama is NOT electable…..the left DEMS can either wise up or lose everything. If they persist in their obstinate pursuit of Barry O, then they must realize that they will lose their own seats next time around.
The people will be heard and Hillary Clinton can WIN and if the superdelegates tank this election, the DEM Party is OVER……….
Posted by: Liberaljean | April 25, 2008, 6:48 pm 6:48 pm
Yes he says electability, but also says leading delegate count, and popular vote. Translation the super delegates will vote for whoever is leading in the pledge delegate and the popular vote.
Obama08
Posted by: Thinking | April 25, 2008, 6:51 pm 6:51 pm
Finally, I agree with Dean.. SD should look at who is more electable…. Obama is not electable and will be able to withstand the heat… Clinton is a fighter and will fight for us as a President….
Vote Clinton 08
Posted by: RS | April 25, 2008, 6:56 pm 6:56 pm
Yes one could say that it what he said but listen to how it is worded and then figure out what question he was ask to elicit that response. What morons making mountains out of molehills or a moleHILL for McCain to take to the barn for a good old fashion whipping.
Posted by: Brian | April 25, 2008, 6:57 pm 6:57 pm
The race is wide open since the
delegates themselves are not bound…
Posted by: ed | April 25, 2008, 7:01 pm 7:01 pm
Finally, I agree with Dean.. SD should look at who is more electable…. Obama is not electable and will be able to withstand the heat… Clinton is a fighter and will fight for us as a President….
Posted by: raquela | April 25, 2008, 7:02 pm 7:02 pm
Ha, finally Dean is talking something that makes sense. It’s all about electability. Democrats can’t make another mistake as they did with McGovern, Dukakis or Kerry. Obama is not electable!
Posted by: stacy | April 25, 2008, 7:03 pm 7:03 pm
The race is wide open since the
delegates themselves are not bound…
Posted by: ed | April 25, 2008, 7:04 pm 7:04 pm
The bottom line is that Obama can only win the smaller states. Hillary should be the clear choice since she has won every major state. The major states are what is needed to beat McCain. In all honesty I would like to vote for Al Gore which is what I did when he actually ran. However since he is not running the best person for the American people (black, white or hispanic) is Hillary Clinton
Posted by: kito11 | April 25, 2008, 7:10 pm 7:10 pm
Mr Dean , please keeps your words this time.
The last time you said on tv, MI and FL should re vote again and whoever won Ohio and Texas is representing how the people want for the nominee.
Anyway,this time, I thank you.
Posted by: crisis08 | April 25, 2008, 7:11 pm 7:11 pm
Obama was electable until Hillary started acting like a Republican.
Note that Hillary was NEVER electable. Look at her negatives. McCain can’t get the neo-cons to the polls, but Clinton sure will raise their ire enough to get there. Plus, you’ll lose the African American bloc, the youth-vote and alot of activists which HRC has sh*t all over recently.
Obama is still electable, but the longer HRC commits hari-kari on the Democratic party, the less electable he is.
Consider this – as Rev. Wright appears in the media again, we could stand united and counter with Rev. Hagee’s comments about Katrina. Did you know he just said them again?
No? Oh, why is that? Oh yeaaaaah, because HRC is stealing the lime-light yapping about debates in Oregon and some mystical math that gives her the popular vote lead – where hypothetical votes count in FL and MI but conveniently don’t count caucus votes.
Seriously, HRC people. SHE HAS LOST. Say it with me,now: SHE HAS LOST. The only thing she’s doing now is hanging around like a cat on a curtain, hissing at everything that walks by because she’s so annoyed she got herself in this predicament and can’t get out.
fin
Posted by: Junior | April 25, 2008, 7:17 pm 7:17 pm
The superdelagates need to step up an get behind Hillary because that is the reason they were created because of McGovern campaign.
A superdelagate: This pool – elected officials and dedicated Party members – was thought to be able to add a pragmatic and somewhat broader or longer-term perspective to the nominating process. In short, the point of having superdelegates is to make sure that the party does not run nominees who are highly unlikely to win in the general election, or put slightly differently, to consider a candidate’s appeal to the broader voting population that participates in the general election.
Posted by: toby | April 25, 2008, 7:20 pm 7:20 pm
Can’t wait until Denver! I hope they have a better police force than Chicago did when that riot began.
I say everyone should stay in until then. Why would anyone quit over so few votes. Even Obama would fight to the last if he were only slightly trailing.
Posted by: Aston | April 25, 2008, 7:28 pm 7:28 pm
Junior,
Obama can escape from Oregon debate this time but he may not able to escape from MCCain if he is the nominee.
Look at the Rev.Wright video ad is going to air on monday.
Nobody can stop it.
So…if you think Hillary is unelectable , you better prepare how to beat Rep.
Anyway,,Hillary is electable from the very first time.
Obama made his own mistakes.
Don’t blame Hillary for everything.
He got bitter by his own words.
Posted by: crisis08 | April 25, 2008, 7:28 pm 7:28 pm
Where have you been shalab>>>>>>Tax returns are out all but the Clintons they got an extension>>>She don’t want people to see her little blind trust in the tune of 41 mil she got from all the big companies…oil insurance wally world medical foreign all the good crap she says she will do away with HA
Posted by: h | April 25, 2008, 7:29 pm 7:29 pm
h — but, unfortunately, Obama has lost all of his state senate records. How do you think that could have happened?
Posted by: S | April 25, 2008, 7:32 pm 7:32 pm
shalabalaboo –
She’s a fighter because she says she’s a fighter.
Just like she has 35 years of experience because she says she does.
I don’t trust people who repeat people who repeat and don’t have any substance to back it up.
She spent like 15 years as a corporate attorney fighting against common folk’s interest and fighting FOR the corporation.
she spent like 10 years on Walmart’s union-busting board.
OBAMA on the other hand… has been a community organizer fighting for everyday people in chicago. he could have been on the same union-busting boards and fought for the same corporations that hillary did. but he didn’t.
Also… a fighter? Obama rose out of nowhere to topple an Ex-President’s Wife. He created the most expansive, efficient, powerful grassroots organization this party, na, this country has EVER seen. THAT IS A FIGHTER.
Hillary is more like a petty bar room brawler who gets drunk says something stupid throws some low blows and loses everything.
STOP REPEATING HER PROPOGANDA. Y’all sound like Bush drones in 2000 and 2004. Just because someone says a phrase like “fighter” and “35 years of experience” doesn’t make it true.
Posted by: Junior2 | April 25, 2008, 7:33 pm 7:33 pm
I think Obama is highly electable. He has energized a whole new generation of dems. And they will still be there voting in Nov. I don’t think the superdelegates will go against that.
Posted by: lisa | April 25, 2008, 7:39 pm 7:39 pm
Nobody can critisize Hillary on her tax returns or what she makes. You don’t see Obama or McCain Committed enough to put in their own money. Hillary feels so strongly that she is the best candidate. You have to feel her passion and know that she will do everything she can for the American people no matter what nationality. So Obama and his fans need to stop playing the race card and really start looking at the important issues
Posted by: kito11 | April 25, 2008, 7:41 pm 7:41 pm
Obama doesn’t need to use his own money…how much did he raise again. And the only thing Hillary is passionate about is getting back in the white house. It’s all about the Clinton legacy, don’t be fooled.
Posted by: jj | April 25, 2008, 7:45 pm 7:45 pm
Obama is all talk about hope but says nothing about how or what he would deliver. Without his speech-writers, he just stutters and sweats.
Who needs such an inept president?
Posted by: S | April 25, 2008, 7:49 pm 7:49 pm
Even Rush said the other day that he knew some republicans that are voting for Obama. He kept going on and on about how could they do that.
Posted by: lisa | April 25, 2008, 7:53 pm 7:53 pm
The Republicans are already starting to make mincemeat out of Obama in NC. There is little chance of him beating McCain in the fall. Hillary actually has less ammunition for the Republicans to use.
Posted by: jkr | April 25, 2008, 7:53 pm 7:53 pm
To Junior2:
Here’s something to debate:
1. Why did Obama block a REVOTE in MI? Hillary was ready to go, Obama said no.
I think I know the answer: he was afraid he would be trounced.
2. Why has Obama been running ads in states with open primaries telling Republicans to “vote Democrat for a day”?
I think I know the answer: because he is willfully colluding with Republicans, inviting them to cross-over and inflate his votes in open primaries, so he can defeat Hillary.
These extra Republican votes are not votes for him, they are votes AGAINST Hillary, and will melt away in the general election.
We Dems are going to have egg on our faces in the GE when Obama’s “cross-party” support suddenly vaporizes after the Republicans got what they wanted – the defeat of Hillary.
Posted by: JWF | April 25, 2008, 7:55 pm 7:55 pm
Leaving out MI. and FL. is never going to seem fair to most honest democrats no matter how bad they want thier choice to win this is a plan that Howard Dean and Obama made up before this race started I call it stacking the cards against Hillary from the get go and calling Bill a racist is beyond contemp any respect I had for the Democrtic party is gone I hope they all get voted out.
Posted by: Bishop | April 25, 2008, 7:56 pm 7:56 pm
jkr–
“Hillary actually has less ammunition for the Republicans to use.”
seriously?
ROFL.
Seriously???
Posted by: Junior2 | April 25, 2008, 7:57 pm 7:57 pm
The electability issue is huge. Howard Dean is facing the reality that they need a strong and fiery opponent against McCain. I think they are slowly coming to the concensus that the person is Clinton. Becoming president is not a beauty contest ie.. popular vote. Obama declines to DEBATE, that is a big no no. It shows them that Obama is weak. They are thinking about November when it comes time to debate McCain. He won’t even agree to a face off with Hillary Clinton in Indiana. He will not commit because he knows Hillary will kick his a$$ again.
Dean said the superdelegates have every right to elevate a candidate who is trailing in popular vote. He is gently breaking the news to the Obama campaign.
Posted by: kokopelli | April 25, 2008, 8:00 pm 8:00 pm
Oh please, so now you’re saying this was fixed from the start. Give me a break. You Hillary supporters are desparate and delusional
Posted by: karma | April 25, 2008, 8:00 pm 8:00 pm
kokopelli
Dean also said that it was highly unlikely
Posted by: lisa | April 25, 2008, 8:02 pm 8:02 pm
Dean’s “electability” and “not bound” arguments are essentially Hillary Clinton’s current rationale as to ignoing the primary voters.
Dean is politically clever: if Obama wins the nomination, he stood for “electability” as chosen by superdelagates — not him. He can still approach the Clinton infrastructure and ask for their support.
If Hillary connives her way into the nomination, Dean can still tell Obama supporters his job is to get someone elected.
If the eventual democratic nominee loses, Dean is toast anyway. He cannot seem to be the door closer for wither side, but knows that if the primary voters are enraged he can blame the superdelegates.
The definition of a con artist is someone who can perfectly imitate the actions of an honest person.
Posted by: Gorgon '08 | April 25, 2008, 8:09 pm 8:09 pm
The supers are under no obligation to vote according to pledged delegates or popular votes, the original intent of establishing the supers was to prevent red-GOP states and caucus activists from hijacking the party leadership…end then turn around to sabortage us in Nov. Obama is not electable, period. You cannot win without a coalition of all 4 parts that make up the party. Obama is only winning majority of the black votes and let truth be told. I know that some shallow minds are going to scream racism. Obama and his activist supporters has made it imporssible for honest debate and truth about race to be part of this normination process. The supers should vote for party interest and not be imtimidated by the Obama militant machine. Let the supers vote for Mrs. Clinton and ask Obama to join the ticket. 4 years of apprentice as a VP should give him some experience and record to run on. Jumping from state senate to presidency, is absurd and insane.
Posted by: Ed Banks | April 25, 2008, 8:12 pm 8:12 pm
Obama will be defeated by the Republicans if he is the nominee.
That is why they want to go up against him. He is an easy mark to take down.
The DNC is dreaming about getting him into the white house to use as a puppet. He is obligated to the blacks first, his friends second. He is using the DNC to get the push to try to get there.
Posted by: seah | April 25, 2008, 8:13 pm 8:13 pm
To Karma:
I could support either Obama or Hillary in a GE.
To suggest that Obama and Howard Dean stacked the election is delusional.
However, it is not delusional to suggest that Republicans and (Republican) Independent voters who vote for Obama are only doing so for strategic reasons. C’mon. Obama’s (admittedly somewhat limited) voting record is among the most liberal in the Senate. He is not an independent, his voting record shows he is a hard-core liberal Democrat. Since when have any Republicans or Independents found that political line attractive? If that were true, Ted Kennedy has missed his chance – he should be running for the Presidency.
The only reason a Republican or Independent would vote for a hard-core liberal Democrat like Obama is…to defeat Hillary.
You can be sure their support will disappear in the General Election. So, please don’t bring up Obama’s appeal to Republicans or Indpendents as an argument in his favor for the GE.
Posted by: JWF | April 25, 2008, 8:15 pm 8:15 pm
It may be, as Governor Dean said today, that the superdelegates have the RIGHT to elevate a candidate who is trailing in pledged delegates and the popular vote.
But if they do this, I will be so disgusted with the Democratic Party that I will stay home in November. Which would be something. I have voted in every single election since 1984. My early primary favorite has rarely been the nominee, but I have always accepted the outcome of the primary process and cast my ballot for the Democratic candidate in the fall. But the Democrats lose my vote if THE ONE TIME my candidate gets the most votes and delegates, the superdelegates deny him the nomination.
Posted by: Michelle | April 25, 2008, 8:17 pm 8:17 pm
Harold Ickes is absolutely ruthless. He’s in charge of the superdelegates and will intimidate them right to the threshold of career destruction, vendetta, and personal threat.
He has always been the Clinton hatchet man. Halfway between Hillary Clinton and Harold Ickes has always lied plausable deniability.
Watch closely at the superdelegates that are able to resist Ickes’ pressure tactics. They will be the ones that have never sold their souls to the Clintons, and belong as part of the post-Clinton era.
Posted by: Gorgon '08 | April 25, 2008, 8:19 pm 8:19 pm
Michelle
Only myopic people who cannot see shades of gray vote for their party or nothing. It makes no difference which party they belong to — they make themselves lemmings.
Posted by: S | April 25, 2008, 8:20 pm 8:20 pm
Remember Harold Ford jr. In TN-2006 senate primary every independent, Dem and Gop voted for him but in general election in Nov-2006, all those folks that gave him the nomination, disappeared. Herold lost the senate race even with a better record and intelligence than Obama. Going from state senate to the highest office in the land is long shot and a very big stretch. It is dellusional for Obama to expect to win any red state in 2008 as a black man.
Posted by: Ed Banks | April 25, 2008, 8:23 pm 8:23 pm
Well we won’t know that tally until Fl and MI are brought into the the “50 State Strategy” that Dean and Barack have talked about all along.
He’s not fooling anyone. His contempt for the Clinton’s is palpable. He needs to resign.
Posted by: SadStateOfAffairs | April 25, 2008, 8:25 pm 8:25 pm
JWF
I was commenting on Bishops post saying that the election was stacked. And I didn’t say anything about the revote issues. I think your post should be directed to Bishop not me
Posted by: karma | April 25, 2008, 8:34 pm 8:34 pm
Republicans are claiming Hill as opponent and we all know that reality. The reason is simple, they have not been able to moblize their base and McCain cannot get 1 million in a month, therefore the only one way to get Hannity, Rush and others mobilized and fired-up is to give them Hillary the Bosnian General as democratic nominee.God bless America and God bless Obama.OBAMA08.
Posted by: BKMC | April 25, 2008, 8:36 pm 8:36 pm
Junior2, A lot or people are seeing the Clintons in such a negative way now. They both are showing their true colors with the tactics they are using. There is no way she will become the nominee. And I know Obama can beat McCain.
Posted by: lisa | April 25, 2008, 8:40 pm 8:40 pm
Hills is losing to a newbie senator with a funny name because she got out worked and out smarted.
She simply was not up to the task of running a campaign and got beat by a better candidate.
Posted by: The Commander Guy | April 25, 2008, 8:43 pm 8:43 pm
BKMC, I listen to parts of Rush and Hannity almost daily. They are scared of going up against Obama. A lot of republicans don’t like McCain. They’ll vote for Obama but not for Hillary
Posted by: lisa | April 25, 2008, 8:47 pm 8:47 pm
Some posting in here make this statement: “Obama is not electable,” or, “Obama cannot beat McCain in the general election.” The real truth is, Hillary Clinton cannot beat McCain, and it is one reason why she sometimes sounds a bit like McCain’s running mate. The Republicans want Hillary as the Dem candidate because they know they can beat her.
Pitting the men of the Dem party against Hillary in the nominating process is quite different from the general election, where male and female Repubs will vote against HIllary, and where a lot of male Dems will stay home from the polls entirely (they would feel like idiots voting for McCain but can’t bring themselves to vote for Hillary)!!
If Hillary is the nominee, Limbaugh and others will play short clips of Hillary’s voice, intermittently, all day long. And they will say, “if you don’t want to be listening to that voice for the next four years, you better go register to vote. Sure, McCain is not what we want, but anything, _anything_ is better than Hillary.” The right wing utterly despise the Clintons – they will spend any amount of money, go to any lengths, tell any lie, to defeat her.
On the other hand, Obama vs. McCain is a race. Sure, the entire rightwing machine will take aim at Obama, but with Obama there are policy and philosophical differences with McCain that will become more important than flag pins and other things. Obama has a good chance of beating McCain – whereas with Hillary and all that Clinton baggage, there is no chance at all.
Posted by: nick99 | April 25, 2008, 9:19 pm 9:19 pm
“Ha, finally Dean is talking something that makes sense. It’s all about electability. Democrats can’t make another mistake as they did with McGovern, Dukakis or Kerry. Obama is not electable!”
Well said.
Posted by: Jkan | April 25, 2008, 9:19 pm 9:19 pm
JWF
The Rules are the Rules. Everybody voted in favor of the Rules in advance. Hillary has even said the Michigan vote did not count.
If you are from MI go vote against the politicians who engaged in this scofflawism. Better Yet, Impeach the Governor.
But to paraphrase Bill: “If only we could change the rules after the fact to Hillary’s advantage….. She’d be way ahead.”
Deal with reality.
Posted by: The Commander Guy | April 25, 2008, 9:26 pm 9:26 pm
NO WAY is OBAMA electable. The young who support him, have continued to deny what makes him UNFIT to be POTUS.
Posted by: mj | April 25, 2008, 9:41 pm 9:41 pm
WHY ARE PEOPLE SAYING HILLARY OR MCCAIN?
IT SHOWS THAT YOU ARE WILLING TO VOTE FOR A MAN WHO DOESNT KNOW ECONOMY WHO WANTS TO STAY IN A WAR THAT WILL ONLY HURT US AND MAKE US A BIGGER TARGET TO BIN LADEN WHO IS STILL FREE TO ATTACK US WHEN EVER HE WANTS JUST TO BE SOME LITTLE HILLARY PUPPET? THATS NUTS!
I HATE HILLARY BUT IM NOT GOING TO VOTE MCCAIN AND MAKE MY CHILDREN PAY THE PRICE SO I CAN BE STUBBORN AND THROW A TANTRUM …… YOUR VOTE DOESNT JUST HURT YOU IT HURTS ALL OF US.
Posted by: melissa | April 25, 2008, 10:05 pm 10:05 pm
Bloggers,
So who is more electable, the out-of-touch empty suit, the master of BitterGate, or the tough, resilient, still-standing, backer of working class Democrats? That would be the latter, one Hillary Clinton!
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Hillary/Angelou ’08
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Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | April 25, 2008, 10:14 pm 10:14 pm
Obama said he wants to raise capital gains tax back to pre-Clinton levels to punish 50 or so hedge fund managers- at the expense of 100 million Americans. Obama is clueless about the economy. The reason we would vote for McCain over Obama is that we love America and will never vote for an un patriotic unqualified losse cannon like Obama.
Posted by: geevill | April 25, 2008, 10:16 pm 10:16 pm
she isnt tough- she cries about everything that doesnt go her way and she doesnt look out for anyone but herself!
thats why she is going after her own party more than she is going after mccain.
Posted by: melissa | April 25, 2008, 10:21 pm 10:21 pm
geevill,
see you in 4 years then if mccain gets in and i want people like you to take full credit for the next bin laden attack and the fact that our economy will still be in bad condition… all to throw a tantrum
Posted by: melissa | April 25, 2008, 10:24 pm 10:24 pm
We, Republicans too think that Clinton is the only one electable.
Please do send us her instead of Obama.
Posted by: augustus | April 25, 2008, 10:25 pm 10:25 pm
I support Obama but will vote for Hillary if she is the nominee. How you Hillary supporters would vote for McCain is unbelievable to me. Do you not care about the war. I am so afraid that the draft will come back. And there has been whisperings of that. I don’t want my kids going to a war my family doesn’t believe in. I don’t want your kids drafted either.
Posted by: lisa | April 25, 2008, 10:31 pm 10:31 pm
GEEVIL
I AGREE. I AM ONE AND HAVE LOTS OF FRIENDS AND FAMILY DOING THE SAME. IT IS FUNNY HOW OBAMA IS WRITING THAT OFF.
HE THINKS PEOPLE ARE BLUFFING
THE DEMO PARTY WILL LEARN A LESSON SHOULD HE BE THE NOMINEE
Posted by: Arwa | April 25, 2008, 10:46 pm 10:46 pm
Did anyone catch the latest on the Rezco trial? All Indiana has to do is air the news of this trial and Hillary won’t need to pay for any campaign commercials, the local news will do it for her. LOL
Posted by: Arwa | April 25, 2008, 10:50 pm 10:50 pm
BTW Junior2:
you will no doubt be surprised to learn, in view of my doubts and criticism of Obama, that I actually PREFER Obama to Clinton.
What upsets me is how he has been so disdainful of MI & FL voters in order to further his immediate political goals.
No doubt Hillary would do the same if the tables were turned. But HE is the one who is actually doing it. I expected more from him. I guess I must have drunk some of that “kool-aid” geevil keeps referring to.
As to the sincerity of Republican support for Obama – I hope you are right and I am wrong, and that they will continue to support him in the General Election.
Posted by: JWF | April 25, 2008, 10:53 pm 10:53 pm
THINKING:
Obama is the one who refuses to think of the United States as a full deck of
50!
He won’t win the GE should this election get him that far…..
BUT PLEASE,,,,, I BEG OF YOU….
KEEP HIM AWAY FROM ILLINOIS!
Posted by: eyes wide open | April 25, 2008, 10:53 pm 10:53 pm
QUESTIONER
I just read your post. Great insight. That is ineteresting. There is a spot on Hillary’s web where you can give her campaign feedback.
Posted by: Arwa | April 25, 2008, 10:57 pm 10:57 pm
There is no way Obama can win this election. The republicans are already launching the proper attacks against him in early, very early stages. If he gets the nom, just wait until the GE.
Hillary is the best candidate for the job, as she has the experience it takes to go in and get started from day one.
Posted by: carla sue | April 25, 2008, 11:08 pm 11:08 pm
It is begining to sound like a chant to calm yourself down. Obama is not electable. Obama is not electable, Obmama is not electable. Boy I feel better!
All these facts based on opinion Egads!
Obama08
Posted by: Thinking | April 25, 2008, 11:18 pm 11:18 pm
LIsa,
I would love to hear your reasons for voting for Obama. Most of his supporters simply attack Clinton.
Posted by: geevill | April 25, 2008, 11:21 pm 11:21 pm
Hey Lisa. How can you support a man who sits in a church and listens to a man who condemns our country, the white race, exposes his children to these ravings, and dances in the aisles? I once thought Obama was an asset to this country’s political force. But now, I see him as a puppet on a string led by others with a self=serving agenda. GO HILLARY…………..
Posted by: carla sue | April 25, 2008, 11:27 pm 11:27 pm
Say What?
In two consecutive paragraphs
Howard Dean flip-flopped!
“I think the race is going to come down to the perception in the last six or eight races of who the best opponent for McCain will be. I do not think in the long run it will come down to the popular vote or anything else,” said Dean.
Dean added that he thinks it is “very unlikely” that the superdelegates will elevate a candidate who is trailing in pledged delegates and the popular vote before adding that “it is possible” and that superdelegates have “every right to do it.”
So which is it? Is Dean saying the
super delegates should vote for
the candidate they feel is more electable or the candidate with the most
pledged delegates and popular vote?
Posted by: reaganfan | April 25, 2008, 11:30 pm 11:30 pm
Electability – that matters.
But maybe it matters even more to elect The Decent Person.
No One can EVER say, that Clintons are Decent – neither one of them
So – what is it all about?
To elect Dirty Clintons and announce American Disgrace Choice?
Posted by: Linda,Fl | April 25, 2008, 11:34 pm 11:34 pm
I think that what’s changing the dynamic are these new republican ads – at the state level – that are linking democrats in state/congressional races to Obama and his questionable associations. These ads stand to derail the candidacies of many democrats.
The DNC may have been willing to take a chance on Obama at the top of the ticket but it can’t afford to sink the prospects of so many congressional and state office democrats.
Expect to see more of these ads despite McCain’s public repudiation.
Posted by: s. valenti | April 25, 2008, 11:34 pm 11:34 pm
Clinton has turned off far too many voters to win. McCain would run circles around her in a general election. Deep down, you all know this.
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Clinton is not electable!
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Posted by: EastCoastHarbinger | April 25, 2008, 11:35 pm 11:35 pm
Message to Hillary Supporters!
Dean did not say the SD’s should
only consider “electability”!
He covered all sides by saying he
didn’t think the SD’s would vote against
the candidate with the most delegates
and most popular vote!
He spoke out of Both sides of his mouth
and Solved Nothing!
Posted by: reaganfan | April 25, 2008, 11:36 pm 11:36 pm
Linda, dirty Clintons?????? When Bill had office, we all had jobs, food on the table, and gas in our cars to get us to our jobs. Now, let’s talk about dirty Obama. The Rev. Wright, Farakahn, the NBPP, Rattso, Ayers, and last but not least, ‘bitter small town America’…….
Posted by: carla sue | April 25, 2008, 11:37 pm 11:37 pm
Carla Sue that was the 90′s. The 90′s won’t come back. It is long gone. We need a pres for 2008, The Clintons are history. Out with the old, in with the new.
Posted by: lisa | April 25, 2008, 11:42 pm 11:42 pm
Race does not matter to me. I’m a black republican and I’ll be voting for John McCain. The democratic party is pathetic, and deserves to lose.
Posted by: Keisha | April 25, 2008, 11:43 pm 11:43 pm
Unfortunately, we don’t know who is electable, and the outcome of this primary does not help.
Anyone who claims otherwise, whether Obama supporter, or Clinton supporter is whistling in the wind.
It would have at least helped if the process had given us a clear winner, but since nothing was worked out regarding MI & FL, this won’t happen.
At the end of the day, whichever candidate gets the nod, the other can reasonably argue they’ve been robbed (Obama=count the delegates, Hillary=count the votes, and include MI & FL)
The process has neatly split the party in two. Good job DNC!
The DNC (i.e. Howard Dean) screwed up royally.
Posted by: JWF | April 25, 2008, 11:44 pm 11:44 pm
Obama is NOT electable
-Liberaljean
———————————-
MF, WHO GAVE YOU RIGHT TO SAY THAT!
HE WON 30+ STATES VOTERS VOTES, HE DOES NOT NEED YOUR VOTE! F$%% Off!! BI#ee!!
OBAMA08!! YES WE CAN!!
Posted by: RC | April 25, 2008, 11:44 pm 11:44 pm
Lisa, if I had a choice between living in the 90′s and now……guess what I and 90% of America would choose….just think, food on the table, jobs, gas in the car…..
Posted by: carla sue | April 25, 2008, 11:49 pm 11:49 pm
If you are a Hillary Fan and you want to vote for McCain go ahead. You reap what you sow. Here is a taste:
The NLRB will continue to be dominated by extremist republican apparatchiks. Enjoy.
The Courts will continue to be packed by Republican Activists. Including the Supreme Court! Enjoy!!!
Healthcare unaffordability continues to rise. Enjoy.
Bush League Economics will continue INDEFINITELY. Enjoy.
War, More War, and Continued War. Enjoy.
Signing Statements and Executive Orders. Enjoy.
Have a Happy Happy Joy Joy.
Posted by: The Commander Guy | April 25, 2008, 11:53 pm 11:53 pm
Stop trying to scare people. You democrats claim to be able to change the country, and you can’t even keep from tearing each other apart. Why should anyone trust you? Every day I turn on the news and Obama is trashing Clinton, or Clinton is trashing Obama. This is what you want for the country?
Clinton is mediocre. Obama is mediocre. McCain is THE MAN. Get a clue, Commander Guy.
Posted by: Keisha | April 25, 2008, 11:56 pm 11:56 pm
Electability is what winning an election is all about. This is why we have super delegates.
Elections are about winning.
Hillary wins the states we need! Hillary doesn’t have the baggage that Obama has: Wright, Rezko, Auchi, Ayers.
Posted by: Bluestocking1920 | April 25, 2008, 11:59 pm 11:59 pm
andrea,
DREAM ON!!WAKE UP ON JAN 20TH 2009!!
OBAMA08!! YES WE CAN!!
Posted by: RC | April 26, 2008, 12:00 am 12:00 am
Why is Hillary losing her supporter???
Why can’t she close the deal???
Could it be 60% of democrats distrucst her and do not like her.
Posted by: Tina from NY | April 26, 2008, 12:15 am 12:15 am
Hope the superdelegates don’t end up presenting the nomination to Obama. I’m a Hillary supporter, and if she doesn’t get the nomination, I’d rather vote for McCain. I just don’t trust Obama. Atleast, I know that both Hillary and McCain are patriotic Americans.
Posted by: Sam | April 26, 2008, 12:18 am 12:18 am
carla sue, Hillary and Bill have their own agenda. They don’t care about us. They are all about the Clinton legacy. You think that I don’t want to vote for the best president. I will vote for Hillary if I have to. But she doesn’t care about us, she only pretends. WAKE UP
Posted by: lisa | April 26, 2008, 12:25 am 12:25 am
To all of you supporters of Mrs. Clinton
1. What has she actually done, besides being the wife of President Clinton?
2. What has she ever lead – she did lead health care reform (which was a disaster)
3. How can you possible support someone to be CEO of the largest company in America that over 60% of the American people don’t trust?
Posted by: bob hayes | April 26, 2008, 12:27 am 12:27 am
Carla sue,
I have one word for you.
Penn
Do you know who he is? He is the top clinton Adviosr who was in a deal for NAFTA (who Hillary supported for 13 years until the day she decided to run for president) until he was exposed by media – he was dealing not talking – dealing and every body knows that
Posted by: Tina from NY | April 26, 2008, 12:29 am 12:29 am
Why is Hillary losing SD like leaves in the fall? And Why can’t she close the deal?
She had More money to start, she was a brand name known in every house, she has an american white name, she is whaite. She had 250 SD to start with.
So why she kept losing and losing and losing to a rockei.
Why is she behind????
Posted by: Tina from NY | April 26, 2008, 12:36 am 12:36 am
Carla sue,
You asked a question – Now I have a question.
Why is Hillary losing SD like leaves in the fall? And Why can’t she close the deal?
She had More money to start, she was a brand name known in every house, she has an american white name, she is whaite. She had 250 SD to start with.
So why she kept losing and losing and losing to a rockei.
Why is she behind????
Posted by: Tina from NY | April 26, 2008, 12:38 am 12:38 am
I met Bill personally, will not say, he did not care about American people!!
But that does not anyway mean that Hillary will be a great President too!
She cares about herself and lobbyists more then American people!!
This is not a Kingdom of Bushes and Clintons! This is USA!!
30+ states voted for OBAMA08!! He will win it all the way!
Change is coming to America!!NC is ready for Obama!!
OBAMA08!! YES WE CAN!!
Posted by: RC | April 26, 2008, 12:39 am 12:39 am
Tina, why can’t Obama close the deal since he is ‘so far ahead?’ This will go to the convention in August. That is my answer. Thank you.
Posted by: carla sue | April 26, 2008, 12:39 am 12:39 am
Question for Frances
If People were so happy with ‘Democrats” in the end of Clinton Era, then why Democrats LOST to G W Bush.
Posted by: Tina from NY | April 26, 2008, 12:41 am 12:41 am
Hillary did not keep loosing. Where did you get that report?
Why the late deciders always vote for her?
They are more mature and think twice before they made the decisions.
Posted by: crisis08 | April 26, 2008, 12:42 am 12:42 am
Yes only by stealing or getting 80% votes after May 6th she can win the nomination!
American people will rise up against any conspiracy to steal the election, will see you in the street if that happens!!
OBAMA08!! YES WE CAN!!
Posted by: RC | April 26, 2008, 12:43 am 12:43 am
He has more delegate, more won states, more popular vote, what else do you want.
Answer my question? How did Hillary Lose? She is behind in delegate, states, popular vote – so far that she cannot make up for it? and I am asking
why???
Don’t answer my question with another only people who do not have an answer and a reason for their beleives answer questions with another question. That in itself is a defeat for you.
Posted by: Tina from NY | April 26, 2008, 12:45 am 12:45 am
carla sue, why can’t Hillary close the deal. She was way ahead in the beginning. What happened to her
Posted by: lisa | April 26, 2008, 12:46 am 12:46 am
From 11 states she lost in a row after wining New Hampshire. It was all over the news you did not see it.
Posted by: Tina from NY | April 26, 2008, 12:47 am 12:47 am
Who cares about Katrina victims after the disaster and go down to help them?
Bill Clinton.
who help African children?
Bill Clinton.
Posted by: crisis08 | April 26, 2008, 12:50 am 12:50 am
Lisa, you are correct. Hillary was way ahead in the beginning. But let’s look at what happened after that. The media darling got praise and stroked, and Hillary got lamblasted. Oprah got on the bandwagon when she didn’t even know what the hell she was talking about. She just endorsed Obama because he is black. Where is Oprah now? There are too many negative revelations about Obama that have turned off a lot of people. Tina, my answer was, this will go to the convention. That was not a question.
Posted by: carla sue | April 26, 2008, 12:52 am 12:52 am
Funny thing is when Hillary won PA by 9.34% it was a big deal for Hillary supporters, seems like when 13 states straight voted for Obama that was a small or no deal and PA carries more voice then people who live in 30+ states OBAMA won!
In reality, all dreams will be broken for sniper ducking Hillary in NC May 6th!!
Good news is Super delegates supporting Obama more then Clintons even after her big win in PA, that says it all, who is more elect able!!
YES WE CAN!! OBAMA08!!
Posted by: RC | April 26, 2008, 12:53 am 12:53 am
She came back.
That’s happened when people start to think twice before they vote for their candidate.
PS. If you want to win fair game, Hillary does not steal the election.
What reason you said that.
Again, do not use a riot threaten on the street to DNC.
It represents who is your candidate.
Posted by: crisis08 | April 26, 2008, 12:57 am 12:57 am
PA she gained 10 delegate – nothing has changed.
If she would have won 2000000 vote and obama 10000 then you had a point.
only 200000 more vote
Pennsylvania
Clinton 1,260,416 55% 83
Obama 1,045,910 45% 73
Posted by: Tina from NY | April 26, 2008, 12:59 am 12:59 am
crisis08!!,
Hillary cannot win it in 2008!!
It is over, do not try to threat Super delegates to vote for Hillary after she lost most states, most delegates after the primary! Play it fair and see who win! Tell me what other way then intimidating Supers you wish to win nomination!!
It is over, it will be even clear when Barak carries NC with a big win!!
NO JUSTICE!! NO PEACE!!
YES WE CAN!! IF YOU TRY TO STEAL THE MANDATE OF THE VOTERS OF MOST STATE YOU WILL PAY THE PRICE, IT IS THAT SIMPLE!!
YES WE CAN!! OBAMA08!!
Posted by: RC | April 26, 2008, 1:02 am 1:02 am
Sounds like dramatic stuff from Dean. He’s saying the math is important but not critical. The key factor is who can win. THis appears to give a very positive opening for Clinton. She is poised to finish strong and Obama is sinking. At the very least, his language leaves it wide open for either candidate.
Posted by: hopesrpings52 | April 26, 2008, 1:02 am 1:02 am
Carla Sue,
Thanks.
Posted by: crisis08 | April 26, 2008, 1:08 am 1:08 am
Tina, you are correct. Although at the same time, give Hillary credit…..;she admitted her mistake, and said she was sorry……
Posted by: carla sue | April 26, 2008, 1:08 am 1:08 am
RC,
We will never threaten DNC to have a riot unlike Obama supporters.
As I know (still on this blog) Obama tried to offer funds to DNC.
We won’t do violent things just go independent if DNC abandon her.
Posted by: crisis08 | April 26, 2008, 1:13 am 1:13 am
Carla,
How come when Hillary says she made a mistake in something so big – (I have been under sniper fire and I would never forget them and if some one makes mock of my experience it isn’t cool for me). then we should forgive her, but if Obama says he rejects, deject, decline, objects the words of some other person we should not accept that? And Hillary is btinging it back again and again.
Don’t forget Rev Wright was an spritual adviosor to Bill cliton during Monica’s ordeal.
Posted by: Tina from NY | April 26, 2008, 1:13 am 1:13 am
What I do not like in this fight is this is a fight between two family members – and one had hit below the belt so many times that is not acceptable for me. Family member should have each other back. McCain has been more corteous to Obama than Hillary has.
Posted by: Tina from NY | April 26, 2008, 1:17 am 1:17 am
crisis08,
Hillary is better then McCain and I am a Dem first! Feel better!!
OBAMA08!! YES WE CAN!!
Posted by: RC | April 26, 2008, 1:19 am 1:19 am
Tina, I didn’t say forgive her. I just said that is what she said, right or wrong. I have also said each and every candidate carries their own set of personal baggage, (lat night’s posts) and we need to make our choices from there. Rev. Wright’s affiliation with Bill Clinton was at a prayer breakfast…..he was not Clinton’s spiritual advisor.
Hillary is not bringing back the Rev Wright’s statements……the media is. Look at what McCan’t is doing in NC> That is not Hillary’s campaign. That is part of the Republican strategy against the democratic party.
Posted by: carla sue | April 26, 2008, 1:20 am 1:20 am
Carla,
And McCain asked his party to not run that ad – he said this is not the kind of campaign he wants to run. I have so much respect for him just for doing that.
But Hillary in the other hand brought the issue up in like 10 occation.
Another example the Farrakahn that she btought up even in the last debate, Ed Randell has praised Farrakan I saw it with my own eyes on CNN. So shall obama take that tapes and use it against her – I say YES he should, but Obama has been so classy in this campaign. He never said any thing because he does not use the same tactic as Hillary.
I feel she says if I do not win – screww the county – obama should not win either so let me destroy him.
Posted by: Tina from NY | April 26, 2008, 1:28 am 1:28 am
Tina, I don’t think honestly that Hillary will try to destroy Obama if she does not win.
The best thing Obama can do right now if he wants to secure a victory is separate himself from racist radicals like the NBPP and Farakhann. I remember when Obama first started ‘showing his presence.’ I said to my now late mother…..’he is the one to watch.’…….I liked him then, and I still like him, but less now. I want to see him stand on his own two feet without the words of others speeches, teleprompters, and spiritual advisors….if he should win the dem nom.
Posted by: carla sue | April 26, 2008, 1:34 am 1:34 am
Tina, please, I hope we are all not being fooled by McCan’t asking the media to not run those ads. I see your point, and I thought that at first, but McCain is in charge of his campaign, and he should have final say. If he can’t control his campaign/advertising people, how could he run the country?
I know you are not for him, and neither am I, but be careful, I think this is just old fashioned republican strategy to turn us against each other. Hillary and Barack are on the same team…….just trying out for the same position.
Posted by: carla sue | April 26, 2008, 1:42 am 1:42 am
Carla sue,
I am from Buffalo NY – I voted for Hillary to be NY senator, she came to Buffalo when she was campaigning for her sent seat and Promised us JOBS – as soon as she became our senator she totally forgot about that.
She did not deliever in a single thing she promised in her campaign. I still would have supported her, but after seeing her campaign tactics agaist Obama I am losing my respect for her. She seems to have become the republican representative to destroy Obama and the media is helping her.
So this is from some body who was a supporter of her.
I want a democrat to win – but I do not have any hope any more – I am sure McCain is the next president
Posted by: Tina from NY | April 26, 2008, 1:42 am 1:42 am
Tina, being from the midwest, I have heard the same ‘complaints’ against Obama. However, I’ll be damned before I vote for a republican to run this country. Let the dems rule, but at the same time, let us have respect, passion, and approachability for each other….
Posted by: carla sue | April 26, 2008, 1:46 am 1:46 am
I’m confused by those who say Hillary is trying to steal an election. Because she is competing for the nomination does that make it stealing? Does Obama have enough delegates to put him over the 2025 number needed to clinch victory? The Party set up a proportional delegate system and many caucuses which favor Obama. But those are the rules. The rules also state that the game ain’t over till one candidate has 2025 delegates!
Posted by: hopesprings52 | April 26, 2008, 1:50 am 1:50 am
Carla sue,
Well I am glad to hear you will vote for a democrat no matter what. Every Hillary supporter in this site – is just bashing obama and acting as republican voice.
You are a true democrat – and it shows you love your country
Posted by: Tina from NY | April 26, 2008, 1:54 am 1:54 am
RC, I did see Obama’s race speech. Very admirable, but too little too late for me. Sorry. I thought it was a little rehearsed and prompted. What I want to see is Obama (if he gets the nom) stand on his own two feet, wright his own speeches, look the camera in the eye and wear the American flag pin on his lapel. I never said Obama was unintelligent…and I won’t. But he needs to shake the crap around him and focus on what makes people’s heads turn toward him..not away from him.
Posted by: carla sue | April 26, 2008, 1:57 am 1:57 am
RC,
Hillary Cannot steal the nomination. But she is destroying the democrats chance with this prolong fight.
Mathematically she has no chance to catch up with delegates.
Democrats have rules – rules that Bill Clinton Helped to write.
One of the rule is the Delegate count is what it counts. Even though Bill and Hillary think the own the democratic party the party elders do not think that. So they are going to go by the rule no matter what Hillary and Bill say.
Posted by: Tina from NY | April 26, 2008, 1:59 am 1:59 am
Carla sue
You have a good night too. You ended it on the very nice and positive note.
I hope our next 4 years is better that our past 7 years :)
Posted by: Tina from NY | April 26, 2008, 2:04 am 2:04 am
Tina, Damn right! Talk at ya later. This has been fun, passionate, educational, and above all, democratic. Thank God for all of us. Have a great night and go DEMOCRATS!!!
Posted by: carla sue | April 26, 2008, 2:07 am 2:07 am
IF IT COMES ON POPULAR VOTE AND
DELEGATES COUNT THEN OBAMA IS ELECTABLE AND THE BEST SO FAR. I AM SURE TAHT ANY DEMODCRAT CANDIDATE CAN WIN PA IN GENERAL ELECTION THAT’S CLAER. SO IF OBAMA WINS THE NOMINATION HE CAN EASILY WIN THOSE BIG STATES.
OBAMA ’08.
Posted by: I.A.T. Smith | April 26, 2008, 2:13 am 2:13 am
John Edwards saw that the math didn’t add up and bow out with grace. What a gentleman.
AS humans.. why is it so hard for some to comprehend reality. to put it into perspective barack will cruise in North Carolina get back his 200k in the popular vote and pile on more delegates.So in reality Philly might as well didn’t happen.
This is not a case of hillary then will sweep all the remaining states and get 70% of the Votes.
She would win 1 state then lose 3 , win another state and lose 11 .thats how its been; thats why its impossible to cath his delegate lead.
Posted by: alan rae | April 26, 2008, 2:16 am 2:16 am
It is interesting how the republicans are trying to VERY HARD to keep Obama from winning the nomination. That should tell us something. Why aren’t they waiting until after the primaries? Because they don’t want to go up against Obama in November. WAKE UP DEMOCRATS: The republicans want to go against Hillary because she will be easier to beat, otherwise why would the republicans work so hard NOW at beating Obama.
Posted by: The Unshrub | April 26, 2008, 2:22 am 2:22 am
Why bother having primaries, the DNC should just take a poll and whoever looks like they can beat the republicans should be the Democrats nominee. That is what Clinton is claiming. Someone would have to be a fool to believe Clinton that NY, CA, MA and the other states that she won will not vote democrat if she isn’t on the ticket. What arrogance! She must think everyone is a fool.
Posted by: The Unshrub | April 26, 2008, 2:31 am 2:31 am
Hillary is quite electable unlike Obama… he cannot win in the GE that is a fact… it isnt surprising that you young Obama people dont know your history and how things will go down….the Rev Wright thing isa mess
Posted by: staniam | April 26, 2008, 2:43 am 2:43 am
Obama is nothing more than plagiarist.
He proposes modified healthcare plan by Clintons, he’s just a copier. he has no clearcut plan to handle ever-rising Crude-Oil and gas prices that hurt Americans days-in days-out. He got the Clintons-supporters backed away. He made a
scant “CHANGE” promises. How could the man with the same_OLD_same people (what’s so-called superdelegates change the US rotten corrupted with lobbyists political system in DC? Bunch of Bulls can persuade American Trashes!!!
Posted by: Jim Screwed | April 26, 2008, 3:29 am 3:29 am
You wouldnt believe the UNBELIEVABLE BIAS the corrupt media and Obama PUNDITS have put out ever since super tuesday.
There was NO talk of ‘whomever is leading wins’ – no matter if that lead is miniscule compared to the entire delegates awarded.
The vote itself WITHOUT michigan and florida is 1% difference.
The media has TAPDANCED this HUGE propoganda campaign whereas Obama MUST WIN NO MATTER WHAT if he is ‘leading’ .
They got to the point where they were trying to get Clinton to DROP out of all things………..
Howard Dean -the head of the DNC – the PARTY CHAIR has COMPLETELY DISPELLED any notion that they MUST rubber stamp the guy with the 1% lead. Thats RIDIUCLOUS.
Obama and Clinton have long past the time where the VOTERS could decide the race. Its the SUPER DELEGATES who must decide.
This is a HUGE stance by Dean.
This will FORCE all the IDIOTS who insist Obama must win if he has a nickels worth more delegates to finally SHUT UP.
Tonight on CNN folks were debunking this idiot theory that you MUST give the nomination to Obama or african americans will POUT like children.
Lets face it. If Obama could have ever won a major swing state primary, Clinton wouldnt have much of an argument.
Obamas ‘lead’ in delegates inst very large and therefore isnt in its own right ENOUGH of an argument. He needed to prove he could win major primaries.
But he CANT . He is unelectable.
Posted by: tomdavie | April 26, 2008, 3:52 am 3:52 am
I am constantly amazed at the people who don’t think Michigan votes should count. What don’t you understand? obama took his name off of the ballot when he was under no obligation to do so. So did Edwards. It was bad strategy on their part. They didn’t want the defeat and avoided losing by removing their names. Therefore no ones vote should count? Idiotic. So lets disenfranchise the Michigan and Florida voters. Lets end the nomination process today and put the screws to the other ten States that haven’t voted,since obama has a lead. Sure.
Posted by: beau | April 26, 2008, 4:24 am 4:24 am
Ronald Walters, a professor of government and politics at the University of Maryland, said, “Many of these places(PA,Ohio) are hit hard. When they look around for who’s the cause of it, a lot of times they scapegoat African Americans or Hispanics or someone else.” An explanation why poor white working class may not vote for Obama.He made it they didn’t,but he is still a minority and is considered beneath them no matter what, and does not deserve to be put in the highest office in the land. So Obama supposed to give up the hope and dream of an AA becoming president of the United States because of small- minded people in this country. What kind of message would this be to future generations.
Obama 08!
Yes We Can!
Posted by: merle7 | April 26, 2008, 4:32 am 4:32 am
Obamas got more delegates.
Not much else of an arguement however.
Posted by: tomdavie | April 26, 2008, 5:22 am 5:22 am
It all depends on whether the Dem party wants a REP or DEM President in 2009.
I’m not voting for Obama should he be the nominee.
Oh, and don’t call me a racist.
I’m from TN and recently voted for Ford, Jr.
Who thinks Obama has been properly vetted?
Who thinks he whines and is weak?
Who is concerned by his associations with Rezko and Wright and others?
Who thinks he lacks experience?
Who thinks he has constantly played the race card and encouraged others like Rep. Clyburn to do the same to fire up blacks to get out their vote?
Who thinks he has discounted the positive things that Americans enjoyed during the Clinton years?
This guy is virtuall unknown and untested and has questionable character.
Obama won’t get my vote nor many others.
Posted by: Susan | April 26, 2008, 5:50 am 5:50 am
LOL! When is the last time a Democrat won Fl and Oh? Bill Clinton. And PA has been close. So do not be so sure….
“I AM SURE TAHT ANY DEMODCRAT CANDIDATE CAN WIN PA IN GENERAL ELECTION THAT’S CLAER. SO IF OBAMA WINS THE NOMINATION HE CAN EASILY WIN THOSE BIG STATES.
OBAMA ’08.
Posted by: I.A.T. Smith | Apr 26, 2008 2:13:00 AM”
Posted by: tony | April 26, 2008, 7:03 am 7:03 am
A vote for Obama guarantees a McCain landslide in November.
Posted by: beebop | April 26, 2008, 8:32 am 8:32 am
Well this is the blah blah blah of the week! So next week we will hear a different tune sung. WHY? b/c Barry will be crying and whining and twisting arms and paying off SD and promising jobs and high cabinet positions! If all else fails his thugs will be out, the threats of riots and mayhem will abound.
The Dems will cave again and to save face (as they all backed BO) the slashing and bashing of Hillary will thrive in he media as it does all day every day.
And so it goes………..
Posted by: HP Boston | April 26, 2008, 9:07 am 9:07 am
Congratulations Hillary,
Finally, Howard Dean has seen the light and saw fit to endorse you!
========================================
Hillary is the only electable one!
Obama is as electable as John Kerry!
Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | April 26, 2008, 9:27 am 9:27 am
John_Chgo wrote: “Ha, finally Dean is talking something that makes sense. It’s all about electability. Democrats can’t make another mistake as they did with McGovern, Dukakis or Kerry. Obama is not electable!”
I agreed. This man finally wakeup. He seems like understand the problem of DNC and himself a little further now.
Posted by: stock_craft | April 26, 2008, 10:16 am 10:16 am
Middle income and working class are the major players of US economy and political. They can vote Dem or GOP candidate or whoever they think will be the best for the country. Without winning their votes, Obama will finish in November. I think DNC and Dean know it by now. They did read our confident survey response and watching the primary results from all the big states. I am glad that.
Posted by: stock_craft | April 26, 2008, 10:35 am 10:35 am
Obama is not electable! Too much negativity coming out about him. The DNC is getting nervous.
Posted by: mary | April 26, 2008, 10:35 am 10:35 am
Reagan Democrates will not vote for Obama.
It’s either Hillary or McCain.
This is a known fact backede by previous states won by Hillary and present polls.
Posted by: mary | April 26, 2008, 10:38 am 10:38 am
As Dean said it is “very unlikely” that superdelegates will overrule the pledge delegate count. “Very unlikely”
Posted by: Bill | April 26, 2008, 11:05 am 11:05 am
FINALLY DEAN GOT IT RIGHT.
I SAID BEFORE AND I”LL SAY AGAIN:
E L E C T A B I L I T Y
IS THE KEY ISSYE.
OBAMA IS UNELECTABLE IN NOVEMBER.
HE CANNOT GET 270 ELECTORAL VOTES
TO BEAT McCAIN.
DON’T FORGET MONDALE,DUKAKIS,GORE,KERRY.
Posted by: NIcholas | April 26, 2008, 11:15 am 11:15 am
“Uncommitted superdelegates should feel free to buck the pledged-delegate leader and choose the candidate perceived to be most electable at the end of the nominating process.” Well, Dean, you have finally come to your senses and saw what it is really important for the general election; it was about time. Electability in November means which one of the candidates have won the most HISTORICALLY-DEMOCRATIC STATES VERSUS THE REPUBLICAN-STATES AND CONTROLLED CAUCUSES. Real elections are not controlled by caucuses. Those are the facts the party will consider at the end.
Posted by: Definitely Common Sense | April 26, 2008, 11:22 am 11:22 am
Electability issue: Even when for whatever reasons at this time the FL and MI delegates and NUMBER OF voters are not being counted; THE VOTES OF THESE VERY ANGRY VOTERS WILL BE COUNTED IN NOVEMBER AND THE DEMOCRATS NEED AT LEAST FL TO WIN. Have you checked how Obama is doing in FL versus McCain?
Posted by: Definitely Common Sense | April 26, 2008, 11:27 am 11:27 am
In Texas, caucus votes were used to nullify Hillary’s primary victory without anyone raising an eyebrow. If a handful of activists in TX should be allowed to nullify an overwhelming primary victory why are some alarmist crying foul on a possibility of the supers nullifying Obama’s so called “insumountable leads”? We should not be shock to see that Dean is grandstanding with his empty words above. He has package the credential committee with Obama supporter who will rectify the outcome of the rules committee. Let us keep the pressure on DNC until the see the light that Obama is not electable, period.
Posted by: Ed Banks | April 26, 2008, 11:48 am 11:48 am
TRUE,VERY TRUE……
OBAMA IS UNELECTABLE IN NOVEMBER.
IN NOVEMBER THE BALLGAME IS DIFFERENT.
PRIMARIES DO NOT COUNT ANYMORE.
IT’S ALL ABOUT 270 ELECTORAL VOTES.
OBAMA CANNOT GET THOSE 270 ELECTORAL VOTES.DO THE MATH.STATE BY STATE.
OBAMA IS UNELECTABLE FOR SEVERAL REASONS
Posted by: NIcholas | April 26, 2008, 12:15 pm 12:15 pm
Howard Dean has been anything but impartial up to this point. He and the DNC have gone out of their way to promote Obama at Clinton’s expense. However, the resulting outcry from many once-loyal Democrats and independents may have changed his outlook.
Posted by: Griffin | April 26, 2008, 12:22 pm 12:22 pm
“How about investigating that Obama is givng MONEY to the DNC to campaign with.”
Thank you, someone else who thinks this is not quite right! Talk about trying to buy the election every way he can, and the beat goes on…I am so sick of this man’s arrogance in assuming he is the nominee.I know a lot of Obama supporters, and the DNC, thinks Clinton supporters will vote for Obama if nominated, but it isn’t a threat that many won’t, it is simply a fact. I don’t agree 100% with Republicans or Democrats on every issue, I consider myself a voter who believes in common sense and traditional values, and I am tired of those traits being ridiculed or taken advantage of by radicals on both sides of the political coin. I would never have voted for a Pat Robertson, and I will never vote for Barack Obama, he simply doesn’t represent what I expect out of a future President. I am also sick of being accused of being racist if I don’t vote for him, made fun of if I’m from a small town, and patronized from someone who thinks he is smarter than I because I don’t have a master’s degree or PhD. I have a feeling there are a lot of people who feel the same way. I guess in a nutshell, he doesn’t seem genuine anymore. Hillary Clinton knows issues inside and out, and say what you want about her, she is the one I feel can actually make change. Barack is just another Jimmy Carter waiting in the wings.
Posted by: dwc | April 26, 2008, 12:25 pm 12:25 pm
As a Hillary supporter who truly believes she is the best candidate to turn this country around and get us back on the right track…
I’m very encouraged by what I’ve been reading and hearing over the last few days from key Democrats and Obama’s supporters in the media.
The tide is turning and they all realize it. The current trend is that each and every day brings Hillary closer to winning the nomination. It’s the will of the majority of the people – and that’s what democracy is all about.
And Dean is right. The Superdelegates only obligation is the run the nominee that can win in November.
Posted by: HoosierSue | April 26, 2008, 12:42 pm 12:42 pm
As a Hillary supporter, I would never vote for Obama.
Posted by: Joe | April 26, 2008, 1:05 pm 1:05 pm
Howie “the scream” Dean doesn’t want the supers to vote for who they want. He’s just projecting the pretense of neutrality to save face. He knows more than half the Democratic party hates his guts. He also knows it’s his fault that the primary in Florida was held early. The republican controlled Florida legislature maneuvered to preclude the primary from being held at the appropriate time. Dean knew this, and did nothing to help Florida’s democratic electorate.
Florida and Michigan voters have every right to be heard! I just hope the process of seating the delegates isn’t exclusively Dean’s charge.
Posted by: Emily | April 26, 2008, 1:42 pm 1:42 pm
Dean is right on point.Believe me nobody in the DCP believes Hilary is more electable. That is just an argument she has fed to the mediea keep them from having te o ask her why she “really” is still in the race. What solid piice of evidence is out there that seems to suggest SD are leaning toward Hillary, he has net gained her about 100 SD the last couple of months. Barack is right on point, don’t upset those white low class voters because he’s gonna need at least half of them to vote for him when he is the nominee. The media is obviously upset that he isnt giving them anything to run with. This thing is about votes and he knows it, in the end he’ll have the most at the end of June and in November.
Posted by: DB | April 26, 2008, 2:31 pm 2:31 pm
There has never been a presidential nominee from a major party with close ties to someone like Jeremiah Wright, who is so totally frightening and repugnant to the vast majority of Americans. Michelle Obama is also a huge liability for her husband. So is William Ayers. But it’s Wright who does the real damage, the others just add to that damage.
As sure as the sun will rise from the east tomorrow morning, Jeremiah Wright, and Jeremiah Wright alone, has destroyed any chance of Obama getting elected in November.
Jeremiah Wright is the reason that Obama lost 60 out of 67 counties in Pennsylvania. And that’s just among Democrats. Having Obama as the Democratic nominee will be like throwing a 65 mph fastball down the middle to Manny Ramirez.
Posted by: The Fop | April 26, 2008, 3:58 pm 3:58 pm
The election is likely to turn on one key issue:
Food Prices.
Obama is committed to Ethanol. McCain has opposed subsidies from the beginning. Ethanol drives up food prices (corn which could feed animals or go into food directly goes to fuel, aided by subsidies direct and indirect).
Hillary probably has the flexibility to say “nevermind” on Ethanol.
Food prices (and gas prices, see McCain’s Gas Tax Holiday) are the big and immediate pocket book issues.
Middle/working class white voters won’t pull the lever for Obama because they get higher taxes, with the money going to minority fixers like Rev. Wright (I guess he needs a new mansion) or “Jerry Seinfeld” type rich white yuppie obsessions “Save the Polar Bears!”
Economic issues are likely to dominate. Dems through yuppie/minority politics threw that advantage away, Hillary has more marginal ability to pander to middle/working class people against McCain than Obama.
Therefore, she is more electable.
Posted by: Jim Rockford | April 26, 2008, 4:28 pm 4:28 pm
How about none of the above….
Posted by: Jon | April 26, 2008, 4:52 pm 4:52 pm
Does any right thinking man or woman believe that the so called super delegates can steal the nomination for Clinton? If it happens, the Dems will not smell the white house for at least 50 years. Anyone can come up with any bogus argument.
Posted by: Churchill | April 26, 2008, 5:43 pm 5:43 pm
Unfortunately for the rest of us, and fortunately for Dean, he said two completely opposite things!
I believe it is election tampering to say the superdelegates must vote the way the delegates have voted.
The hypocrisy behind the idea that the superdelegates cannot vote their own conscience is easy to demonstrate. Before Pennsylvania, Barrack Obama had 57% of the delegates but only 51% of the popular vote. Since the Barrack Obama camp thinks there is nothing wrong with having a significant amount more delegates than the popular vote would warrant, perhaps they should not be so vocal in demanding that the superdelegates cowtow to the delegates in how they vote.
Barrack Obama’s 11 BIGGEST win totals were ALL in the caucus races. This is a really big deal that no one will report, (nor give me credit for researching it).
Washington state was the only state to have BOTH a caucus and a non-binding primary. Obama won the caucus by a 68-31% different, then preceded to barely eeke out a win 50% to 49.6% in the Washington primary that was held 10 days later.
Obama received 53 delegates, Hillary received 25 delegates from Washington. Washington State proves that Barrack Obama’s lead was built on the caucus states.
Barrack should not be so greedy, Florida and Michigan were disqualified, inflated delegate counts from caucus contests in which 88% fewer people select each delegate also has handsomely benefited Barrack Obama.
I would suggest that allowing the superdelegates to vote however they want is the only fair recourse left in a race that has favored Barrack Obama far too many times in the past. Requesting that Hillary Clinton get out of the race when the popular vote differential was one of the closest ever this far along in a presidential race was the height of arrogance. Unless one wants to count the bad rap the Obama camp has spread against Hillary Clinton took for trying to fight back against such an arrogant ploy.
Posted by: Alessandro Machi | April 26, 2008, 10:28 pm 10:28 pm
While Dr. Dean’s current comments concerning the independece of the superdelegates and their responsibility to choose a candidate who gives the Democrats the best chance to recapture the White House in November sound rational, please don’t be fooled. This is the guy that has given us the FL & MI debacle, thereby elevating Obama to front runner status that he did not earn or deserve. The truth is the rules allow for leniency in counting the votes and seating the delegates. Just look at Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina, all 3 states moved up their primaries without any penalty. Howard’s statement is just a way to try to save face. I will have none of it. Count the votes and seat the delegates from Florida and Michigan without penalty, as is and now. That is the only way that he can save face with the American public. In any case I predict he will be back to practicing medicine instead of politics when this election is over. For the sake of the Democratic Party at least we can hope.
Posted by: endodoc79 | April 26, 2008, 10:38 pm 10:38 pm
It appears that Dean is caving into the two for one GANG. If the Democratic Party does not follow the rules the Party is in the likes of the Neo Conservative Party. It appears that the Clinton’s are prepared to steal the Primary at the Convention in Denver. If and when it happens it is time for all the Obama Delegates and committed super delegates to leave the Democratic Party and become Independents and prepare to obtain signature petitions to get Senator Obama on the November Ballot. Yes we can… and we will get away from corrupt political tactics. Americans are BITTER at our political system. Shame on the two for one GANG. No more Bush and Clinton’s in the White House. The Clinton’s and Bush’s swim in the same septic tank which needs to be flushed down the line. BITTER
Posted by: Eli Chavez | April 27, 2008, 8:32 am 8:32 am
That is why I love Howard Dean, who, unlike Obama, is the real truth-teller and change-maker. He probably is partial to Obama, and has every right to feel embittered by his treatment in 04 by the party establishment, most likely by the Clintons themselves. Yet, he speaks the truth, even if it goes against his self-interest: the superdelegates, while not likely to ignore “the math,” have the power and the right to do it. Self-interest has determined every argument made in this primary, whether by liberal bloggers or Obama-swooning MSM reporters, or the candidates themselves. Howard Dean is preternaturally unable to do this. HE is the change we’ve been waiting for, not Obama.
Posted by: Sue | April 27, 2008, 10:46 am 10:46 am
As a Democrat for 46 years , I am happy to hear that Mr. Dean has finally spoke as the real chairman of the Democratic Party. Getting the right democratic candidate in the White house is the most important issue. He/She who presents themselves as the one who possesses the strength, integrity, substance, and experience to go up against McCain , and also can carry the states needed electorally to win over McCain should be the one.
Posted by: jp,michigan | April 27, 2008, 12:32 pm 12:32 pm
Hey EastCoast:
Why not give all of the “uncommitted”
popular votes to Obama since the others
have dropped out of the race and have no more claim on those votes then Obama!
Posted by: reaganfan | April 27, 2008, 4:10 pm 4:10 pm
CONCERNED:
The Constitution has nothing to do
with the bylaws that individual
political parties make!
The decision not to count the illegal
primaries in Michigan and Florida was
agreed to by all of the candidates including Hillary Clinton!
The primaries have nothing to do with the general presidential election in which all 50 states will vote!
Posted by: reaganfan | April 27, 2008, 4:14 pm 4:14 pm
who are the people going to blame if Hillary is the nominee and she is defeated by McCain? will they then feel the same about her and all that she said she could do. why are the Clintons doing so much in trying to turn everyone against Barack and how many people that are against Barack have actually heard the whole sermon of Mr Wright, the media has only played what they wanted you to here because they new it would upset alot of people and cause them to turn away from Barack as well as the American pin that he is not wearing, not wearing that pin does not make one not patriotic, and I would think by now people would have opened their eyes and know that the statement that he does not salute the flag is false. Wearing the flag pin is not going to change America, won’t put food on your table, won’t cause the prices of gas and food to go down, and aren’t these the main issues, jobs, food, gas prices, and the war, what do they have to do with what a mans name is or if he wears a flag pin on his lapel?
We all know that there are many skeletons in the Clinton closet, some that have been brought to light and many I am sure that haven’t, but if she goes up against McCain, any and all will be flooding the airways.
Posted by: mark | April 27, 2008, 4:16 pm 4:16 pm
What the OBAMA people are telling us is that it is Hillary’s fault that we begin to know more about OBAMA.
It is Hillary who pushes OBAMA so hard in the primary that OBAMA say the wrong things, and have his lied known.
We find out that OBAMA is out of touch with working class and rural Americans. We find out that OBAMA only care about the institutions like colleges where he is a senior lecturer.
He speaks for Health Organization which practice racism.
It is all Hillary’s fault that we know the fact that he is not presidential quality; he is just another politician that the 92% of black community that wants to be president. To him, God is black, we are fools to believe him.
From the message that we receive from James Clyburn, the black community is going to throw everything behind him even threats to the party.
Next time around, when James Clyburn and the sort are running for Congress and Senate, you should think carefully before casting your vote.
Posted by: John_Lai | April 27, 2008, 8:02 pm 8:02 pm
Hello to the Clinton Network! Journalism at its best.
Posted by: Kathie | April 27, 2008, 9:30 pm 9:30 pm
Dean is an abomination! So are the heads within the DNC. here are two wonderful candidates. early on Dean at al should have had the VISIOn to make DEM. History by electing our first female Pres and fist black VP; reelect them for 8 then elect Obama as first black pres for 8 aditonal. Count them: 16years with Dem.Leadership in the White House . NO, Dean et al have let us ALL down as Americans!! Whether we are ric/poor; any race, either sex, anay age….think of those possibilities for green jobs, saving the planet, having geat education, college and healthcare!!Safety athome and abroad and an end to Iraq/Afghanistan…more POWER to the PEOPLE….a more compassionate planet and a hope for peace. AMERICANS CAN STILL MAKE THIS HAPPEN!! THINK ABOUT IT!!
Posted by: DaneNM | April 27, 2008, 10:24 pm 10:24 pm
In 2004, when I went into the voting booth, I thought I was going to be sick that my only two choices were George W. Bush and John Kerry. I choked and voted for Kerry, but I hated myself for doing it. On the other hand, how do you vote for a turtle in a dunce cap??? The DNC needs to wake up. America is center or center right and the most liberal candidate you can find isn’t going to win.
Posted by: LonghornMama | April 28, 2008, 12:01 am 12:01 am
Barack Obama will never win. He will be trounced in a general election. He will cry racism every time McCain says anything negative about him. Then he will refuse to debate him. Then he will debate him anyway, and stumble and bumble through the debate, and again cry racism because they asked him a question he didn’t like. Then, we will have 4 more years of a Republican President. He’s a loser, people! Wake up.
If the Democrats want to win, they need to all come together behind Hillary Clinton. She’s capable, smart, and tough, and she actually has ideas that will work.
Posted by: Brian | April 28, 2008, 11:01 am 11:01 am
This is to Howard Dean. Leave the candidates alone and let the popular vote decide. Why can’t they both run for President if they have the money to keep going? I thought this was a free country, but obviously I was mistaken. Mr. Dean thinks he is the nation, not the voters!
Posted by: Sylvia Kimrey | April 28, 2008, 6:22 pm 6:22 pm
John_Lai
what lies has Obama told? I would like to research them.
Posted by: mark | April 30, 2008, 9:58 pm 9:58 pm
Obama got his lead before the Jeremiah Wright revelations. You don’t sit in a church for 20 years and not hear any of these remarks. Put down the crack pipes
Obama supporters. “GD America, we got what we deserved on 911″. You Obama supporters need to grow up.The Clintons have done more for the black community than Obama.And this whining about Hillary being hard on him. What is she supposed to do? Campaign for him? It ain’t over til the fat lady sings. I will never vote for a man who was a member of such a radical Church for 20 years. And what about the Obama associate who bombed govt. buildings and said he wouldn’t rule out doing it again in the future? I will never vote dem again if he is our nominee- and I have voted for all the losers the dem party gave us before. The ONLY DEM to win the WH in more than 30 years and THE ONLY DEM to be re-eleced in 40 + years – CLINTON!!!! You naive tards!!!
Posted by: Jack | April 30, 2008, 11:56 pm 11:56 pm
Correction- Carter was a one-termer
who wrecked the country and gave us
Ronald Reagan
Posted by: Jack | April 30, 2008, 11:59 pm 11:59 pm
So-o-o Have all us voters just been wasting our time & sanity over the past decade or how ever long this Primary has been going on? Can’t the Dems just do it like the Republicans? Majority vote wins the state…majority states win the nomination. Why do we have to play this volleyball game? No caucuses, no delegates to divide up…no b.s. I understand 1972 & McCarthy, but the convolutions created after that fiasco are worse than the original fiasco! Well,I have to vote now, so it doesn’t count…
Posted by: madmaggie | May 2, 2008, 10:04 pm 10:04 pm
McCain is truly SENILE, he is trying anything. Obama was never in the Army; And what does that have to do with anything ,
I think someone John McCain should be calling out is George Bush, he USE his special connections to AVOID going and SERVE.
What is John MC_Bush talking about!!!,
Not everyone who became President was in the ARMY.
Would he have said the same thing about HIllary .
He is trying to change the TOPIC ONCE again to HIDE his DEFICIENCY to serve as Commander in Chief.
This guy is NOT EDUCATED to run for any office.. much less the Oval office ,
His marks was a JOKE at the Academy college.
he think the WHITEHOUSE is some kind Army barracks.
Posted by: ryab | May 22, 2008, 5:55 pm 5:55 pm