Does Experience Really Matter?
Opinion by Matthew Dowd, ABC New Political Contributor
At a time when Hillary Clinton falls further and further behind in the delegate count to Barack Obama, and the chances of her winning the Democratic nomination look more and more like drawing to an inside straight, let’s take a look at how the general election stacks up.
There has been a ton of discussion on which Democrat is stronger in a race against John McCain so let’s take a look at some key things to remember when looking forward to the fall.
Hillary Clinton, obviously, has a broader experience in the rough and tumble world of national politics. She has been through more wars and battles than Obama, and would seem to have an “experience” advantage. But has that always been the best predictor of success??? When looking at recent presidential campaign experience over the last few decades, it seems that candidates with less national “battle” experience seem to have more success in winning elections.
In 2000, Bush had much less experience than Gore on the national level, and won the race. Bill Clinton, in 1992, had much less experience than then President Bush, but ended up winning. Jimmy Carter had basically no national campaign experience in 1976 against then incumbent President Ford who had much more experience, and Carter won.
So with polls bouncing around this year, and experience not the best predictor, what should we look at?
Many Clinton advocates (including Gov. Rendell of Pennsylvania) say that since Clinton is more defined and Obama less defined to the public, that this means she is a stronger candidate in the fall. I would actually argue the exact opposite. I would much prefer to have a candidate with more “maneuvering” room with the general public and be able to run a little freer of set attitudes so the margin for victory or loss is broad.
Hillary Clinton’s margin for defining herself and open running probably is around 8 to 10 percent of the public — meaning that 90 percent of the public is already either solidly for her or solidly against. And best case for her is those numbers are even. So she is fairly defined, and not in a way that helps her positively in the fall.
Obama, on the other hand, has around 20 to 25 percent of the public who aren’t solidly for or against him. Therefore, he has a greater ability to run free and better determine his future. I would rather have a candidate less defined going into the fall than one defined nearly completely with a large amount negative.
This is why if you gave the McCain campaign folks truth serum, they would say they prefer Clinton to be the Democratic nominee because most of the work has already been done for them. Though the longer this Democratic process goes on in a bitter battle, the Clinton folks are making sure Obama may also be weakened going into the fall.
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You answered your own question Matt. You cited Bush (2) and Carter as President’s with little experience before they came into office. Given both of their records, I think the experience questions is obvious. IT MATTERS!
Posted by: mhhunt | April 8, 2008, 8:15 am 8:15 am
Hillary Clinton, obviously, has a broader experience in the rough and tumble world of national politics. She has been through more wars and battles than Obama, and would seem to have an “experience” advantage.
HOW DO YOU FIGURE?? JUST BECAUSE SHE WAS THE PRESIDENTS WIFE AND HE HAD TO DEAL WITH ALL OF THOSE THINGS, AND SHE LIVED THROUGH VIETNAM….DOES NOT MAKE HER EXPIERIENCED
HERE IS A GOOD EXAMPLE THAT MIGHT MAKE IT CLEAR TO THE REST OF YOU..MY STEP-FATHER IS A COMBAT ENGINEER (BUILDS SCHOOLS, BRIDGES, CHURCHES ETC..) I AM WILLING TO BET THAT MY MOTHER DOES NOT KNOW THE FIRST THING ABOUT ANY OF THAT
Posted by: GODISNOTREAL | April 8, 2008, 8:24 am 8:24 am
Hey mhhunt, you miss the point, read the article. Article speaks electability, not how great the president is. You must be one of Clinton’s supporter, figures, they don’t seem to be bright. They are like cattle, just following something.
Posted by: Surething | April 8, 2008, 8:24 am 8:24 am
I want one who owes no favors to anyone…One who will put the people of this country first.One who is willing to learn if they don’t know the area well,one who will appoint a person who knows how to do the job they are given.One who will not jump into war one who reads what they are handed NOT one who thinks they know it all and know nothing except what they are told….Think that pretty well sums it up.
Posted by: honest | April 8, 2008, 8:34 am 8:34 am
OBAMA IS AN EXPERIENCED “LIAR”.
Obama said, “I Wrote A Tough Nuclear Bill.” — LIAR, Obama’s bill was rejected by his own party for its pandering and lack of all regulation — mainly because of Obama’s Nuclear Donor, Exelon, from which David Axelrod came. He has told too many lies! Remember, Wright, Farrakhan, Ayers, Rezko, among others?
Obama’s supporters would cover the world with smoke and mirrors to try and make Barack Hussein Obama look good, regardless of all his lies and ties to radical anti-Americans. Obama could butcher a kitten on the White House lawn and his followers would try to make it look like a good thing.
I imagine some of the people who have already voted for Obama would like to change their votes! Obama, along with Dean and Pelosi, are destroying the Democratic Party. They say we have 48 states … not 50.
Hillary ’08!
Posted by: CAROLINA | April 8, 2008, 8:50 am 8:50 am
Experience is less important than good
judgement in handling crisis.
At the same time leadership is inborn.
We have seen some leaders do fail to
carry their tasks, because they lack tactics, strategies. PR (Public Relationship), etc.
A person who has experience already, sometimes feel comfortable with the
experience she/he has, and do not take
initiative to craft solutions and look at alternatives!
Posted by: Peace | April 8, 2008, 8:50 am 8:50 am
the best barometer is how they run their campaign, now compair Obama’s campaign to Hillary’s. Now who has more experience when it comes to management, far cry its Obama.
Posted by: alexis compton | April 8, 2008, 8:52 am 8:52 am
the best barometer is how they run their campaign, now compare Obama’s campaign to Hillary’s. Now who has more experience when it comes to management, far cry its Obama.
Posted by: alexis compton | April 8, 2008, 8:55 am 8:55 am
Does experience matter? YES! The crazy right wingers gave us 8 years of George W. Bush, who ran on a ticket of CHANGE is better than experience. Now we have the left wing crazies saying the exact same thing about Obama. Obama is new, different, black, wow, cool…It is a disaster for America if this man is elected, just look at what Bush Jr. gave us. By the way, Obama is not running his campaign. David Axelrod is.
Posted by: rs | April 8, 2008, 9:01 am 9:01 am
To Carolina:
Dear Carolina it’s obvious that you are a sore looser. Even though you picked Hillary, why on earth don’t you admid she had loss period; instead of trying to persuade that Barack Obama is not good. Stop your nonsense, but most of all be fair. It’s amazing how Hillary supporters can be so mean.
Posted by: foreigner | April 8, 2008, 9:07 am 9:07 am
rs…… if Axelrod is the one running Obama’s campaign according to you and it is successful because of Axelrod but the question is….. who hired Axelrod, it is Obama stupid.
Posted by: alexis compton | April 8, 2008, 9:14 am 9:14 am
I don’t want to vote for someone because of who their husband is or because their victory would make history on a gender or race level. I want to look at their public service and their ability to unite, inspire and lead. If we are to believe much of Hillary’s experience comes from her time in the White House, then we must also understand that Bill is going to have an unregulated by check and balance yet influential role, according to that formula. Is that wise? And is it not a step back on female equality to say the potential first female president could win that honor in large part because of her husband? Hillary is a 2nd term Senator. Obama is a 1st term Senator. And both want to serve their country as commander in chief. So let’s take experience as a supposed differentiating factor out of the equation and decide who the best person for the job is moving forward!
Posted by: Tracy | April 8, 2008, 9:25 am 9:25 am
Yes it does. Obama actually said in 2006 that he did not have enough experience to run for President. And most important, when we sit in front of our tv’s on Tuesday night in November, we will be watching for Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Michigan to go blue. Without Clinton, this will not happen, and if it does, it will possibly be Michigan. No chance for Ohio and Florida. We need Clinton to actually win in November. And as for the sold out media, they will be watching with us and talking about the importance of these states going Democrat for the Dems to win. Nothing has changed. Hopefully, the elected Democrat Super Delegates understand this. And the democrat voters in Pennsylvania and the remaining 9 contests. If not, and Obama is the candidate, we lose. Clinton is needed to win.
Posted by: Texas democrat | April 8, 2008, 9:25 am 9:25 am
Yes it does. Obama actually said in 2006 that he did not have enough experience to run for President. And most important, when we sit in front of our tv’s on Tuesday night in November, we will be watching for Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Michigan to go blue. Without Clinton, this will not happen, and if it does, it will possibly be Michigan. No chance for Ohio and Florida. We need Clinton to actually win in November. And as for the sold out media, they will be watching with us and talking about the importance of these states going Democrat for the Dems to win. Nothing has changed. Hopefully, the elected Democrat Super Delegates understand this. And the democrat voters in Pennsylvania and the remaining 9 contests. If not, and Obama is the candidate, we lose. Clinton is needed to win.
Posted by: Texas democrat | April 8, 2008, 9:25 am 9:25 am
obama the creation is being slowly picked apart to show the rot that is covered up by axelrod. That makes him less electable in november.
Posted by: toby | April 8, 2008, 9:36 am 9:36 am
One must not forget Ronald Regan (known for his foreign policy expertise) had little to no experience nor did JFK. Those who have held political office or been related (Bush and Clinton) often owe many as they climb. THis is one of the few jobs that experience is not a tell tale sign.
Posted by: JBC | April 8, 2008, 9:43 am 9:43 am
Duh. Obviously if you have a candidate with formidable intelligence and a command of all the issues facing us……plus the experience to whip this country back in shape asap-that is the best person for the job. You can talk all kinds of vague platitudes, but I don’t want some guy who is so ambitious and impatient to be President, that his learning curve will come at my expense.
Posted by: greenfun | April 8, 2008, 9:46 am 9:46 am
Clinton will be torn apart from the REP they have waiting from law enforsement names and they will send her into orbit.Her camp for this whole thing should tell you how she would run this country in debt.All her special programs will cost you big time where is she getting the money?????? You and me will work for good pay and HALF will be given to those who sit in their aqq and do nothing but have hand out.LIke the houses deal I paid for mine was not easy but we did it,we read the fine print didn’t have all new furnature ,all new cars and all new toys we lived with in our means
She has nothing against the rich…understatement of the year……
Posted by: h | April 8, 2008, 9:50 am 9:50 am
HEY GODISNOTREAL: If you think Clintons supporters are “like cattle” then go back yourself and READ THE ARTICLE AND THEN REREAD WHAT YOU POSTED!
Whoever pronounced you “educated” is themself an idiot also!
Obviously you must be a political novice.
Your lack of historical perspective is shocking.
How else can you explain your posting.
THIS IS NOT A NO CREDIT COURSE…
THIS IS FOR REAL…..
OBAMA IS NOT!
Posted by: NoBama | April 8, 2008, 10:01 am 10:01 am
Foreigner’s note to Carolina has uncovered an interesting phenomenon. The Hillary supporters are extremely mean spirited. It is not about ideas, but some more like revenge for all words spoken about Bill and Hillary.
I am impressed that anyone would vote for a Clinton after the stealing, lying, threatening women and other misdeeds that they call politics. But there I go.
Posted by: disambiguates | April 8, 2008, 10:08 am 10:08 am
Obama’s greatest “experience” has been in ‘lying to the American people’.
Had Obama been in the U.S. Senate and spoken against the Iraq War vote and voted against it, then I would consider that a suitable comparison to how Hillary stood on that vote.
OBAMA WASN’T A SENATOR WHEN WE WENT TO WAR! Unless one is in a particular legislative body under the same conditions and factors, you cannot compare two decisions straight up. The question is who will make the right decisions from here on.
Obama has spent his entire time as a Senator—running for President! If he can’t do his Senate job—he surely can’t lead our country. Obama has told so many lies that he is not credible.
Hillary ’08.
Posted by: proudamerican2008 | April 8, 2008, 10:09 am 10:09 am
We are now finding out that Bill and Hillary Clinton were one of the most corrupt administrations in our history. We certainly do not want to repeat that experience.
Posted by: John | April 8, 2008, 10:11 am 10:11 am
greater ability to run free and better determine his future. I would rather have a candidate less defined going into the fall than one defined nearly completely with a large amount negative.
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That’s funny…Obama’s negatives are hovering right at Clinton’s…or are you ignoring that for the sake of your article?
And once the republicans define him with his Louis Farrakhan/Jeremeiah Wrigh links, Obama’s purely racial comments “typical white person”, his wife’s thesis on racial divide, betraying her skewed filter she sees the world through, trust me, he’ll be defined over and over, only not by himself, or Axelrod.
Posted by: Destardi | April 8, 2008, 10:12 am 10:12 am
We are now finding out that Bill and Hillary Clinton were one of the most corrupt administrations in our history. We certainly do not want to repeat that experience.
Posted by: John | Apr 8, 2008 10:11:21 AM
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Qualify that ridiculously broad, overreaching argument..Who is “We” and where’s the evidence, dummy?
Posted by: destardi | April 8, 2008, 10:13 am 10:13 am
A LOT OF WHAT OBAMA SAYS IS A LIE…
He claimed “after the fact” that he would have left his church had
Wright not retired. HE LISTENED TO HIM FOR 20 YEARS!
Obama said Rezko gave him $150K—Rezko really gave over $250,000.
Obama plagiarized his speeches.
Obamalied about NAFTA.
America Needs A President—Not Another “God Damn America” Sermon.
If Obama gets the Democratic nomination, hopefully, Clinton supporters will NOT support Obama even if asked to by Clinton herself—and THAT will cost the preaching, lying Obama AND the powerful DNC (Dean and Pelosi) the White House.
Clinton or McCain ’08!
Posted by: CONCERNED | April 8, 2008, 10:15 am 10:15 am
am impressed that anyone would vote for a Clinton after the stealing, lying, threatening women and other misdeeds that they call politics. But there I go.
Posted by: disambiguates | Apr 8, 2008 10:08:04 AM
Oh wait..are you getting your news from tthe same media that allowed bush a pass all of these last 7.5 years?
Cuz if you are, I have a bridge I want to sell you…
Prove your comments; show me evidence.
you people sucking back everything the media has to tell you, after they failed their jobs for the past 7.5 years…man, you must be perfect patsies.
Posted by: destardi | April 8, 2008, 10:15 am 10:15 am
proudamerican2008 – did anyone say that Obama was a senator when we went to war? He did speak out against the war in 2002 when no one else was doing that.
I think we are on to an important bit of information here. What ideas do each of the candidate espouse? Obama wants to inspire the country to come together. Is the Clinton campaign one of revenge?
Posted by: disambiguates | April 8, 2008, 10:16 am 10:16 am
rs: You may be right in your statement that Axelrod is orchestrating the successful Obama campaign. Kind of reminds me of some young boys by the name of Larry Paige and Sergey Brin who had the good sense and foresight to hire Eric Schmidt to run their now $130 billion dollar company. Google! Had Bush had the same foresight and intelligence to secure the best management team, we might not be where we are today. Same could be said for Hillary in her selection of individuals to run her foundering campaign. McCain may find himself in the same boat being at the beck and call of the lobbyists and the likes of Phil Gramm running his campaign. Gramm who has now been appointed McCain co-chair and head economic adviser, is the one most responsible for today’s mortgage crisis by his support and eventual passage of the Gramm-Leach-Billey banking deregulation act allowing investment houses to jump into the mortgage business. Not long after passage Gramm signed on with giant UBS as vice chairman of their newly formed mortgage investment arm, which recently announced an $18 billion dollar write down and the cutting of up to 8000 jobs. Also keep in mind McCain was chairman of Gramm’s failed 96 bid for the presidency. You be the judge. Do you want someone who can orchestrate a successful Google like structure, or one such as Clinton’s who is bailing water, or McCain relying on advice of failed cronies.
Posted by: GC | April 8, 2008, 10:17 am 10:17 am
Clinton will be torn apart from the REP they have waiting from law enforsement names and they will send her into orbit.Her camp for this whole thing should tell you how she would run this country in debt.All her special programs will cost you big time where is she getting the money?????? You and me will work for good pay and HALF will be given to those who sit in their aqq and do nothing but have hand out.LIke the houses deal I paid for mine was not easy but we did it,we read the fine print didn’t have all new furnature ,all new cars and all new toys we lived with in our means
She has nothing against the rich…understatement of the year……
Posted by: h | Apr 8, 2008 9:50:58 AM
Where’s bush getting the 200 billion a month to run this ridiculous occupation of Iraq? And it IS an occupation, because there is NO MORE STANDING ARMY.
Posted by: destardi | April 8, 2008, 10:17 am 10:17 am
DOES HILLARY NEED OBAMA? SURE!
With all his lies, excess baggage and lack of ethics and morals, he
makes her look better than she already did.
Obama has come out of Illinois, due to his corrupt allies. He has
taken corrupt money…gotten a nice home, has membership in an
anti-American church, has a wife who hates Americans, etc.
SHAME ON THE MEDIA for not reporting the truth sooner. I’m sure many
of the people who have already voted would like to change their votes.
This is not a celebrity contest … Dean, Pelosi and Reid need to
retire and take Obama with them. Among other things, when they took over in 2004, they promised to end the war —They Lied!!! They have destroyed the Democratic Party.
Vote for Hillary Clinton!
Posted by: JAY | April 8, 2008, 10:20 am 10:20 am
proudamerican2008 – did anyone say that Obama was a senator when we went to war? He did speak out against the war in 2002 when no one else was doing that.
I think we are on to an important bit of information here. What ideas do each of the candidate espouse? Obama wants to inspire the country to come together. Is the Clinton campaign one of revenge?
Posted by: disambiguates | Apr 8, 2008 10:16:06 AM
Oh PLEASE..how is he inspiring by racial politics?
And if you DARE say he’s not, I’m sorry you’re not able to connect dots…it’s not that hard.
Is this inspiring and unifying?
Feb 4th:
New York State Senator Bill Perkins used quite explicit racial stereotyping in a speech aimed at discouraging his constituents from voting for Clinton by saying, Harlem “is not Bill Clinton’s backyard or his plantation. Underscore, plantation.”
Where was Obama crying about racism then?
Obama’s war stance? AHAHAAH FAIRY TALE:
”But, I’m not privy to Senate intelligence reports,” Mr. Obama said. ”What would I have done? I don’t know. What I know is that from my vantage point the case was not made.”
“So it’s not clear to me what differences we’ve had since I’ve been in the Senate. I think what people might point to is our different assessments of the war in Iraq, although I’m always careful to say that I was not in the Senate, so perhaps the reason I thought it was such a bad idea was that I didn’t have the benefit of U.S. intelligence. And, for those who did, it might have led to a different set of choices. So that might be something that sort of is obvious. But, again, we were in different circumstances at that time: I was running for the U.S. Senate, she had to take a vote, and casting votes is always a difficult test.” [The New Yorker, 10/30/06]
“Not only was the idea of an invasion increasingly popular, but on the merits I didn’t consider the case against war to be cut-and- dried.” ["Audacity of Hope," 2006, p. 294]
He turns around and continues voting for funding.
Yea, real leadership.
His campaign was responsible for the racebaiting; and it worked as he inherited a chunk of black support after he floated racist rumors:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/12/obama-camps-memo-on-clin_n_81205.html
Did Hillary benefit from racial politics?
OH, no?
You people are being led like bush lovers…And it’s freakin pathetic.
But you can trust the media, right? AHAHAAH
Posted by: Destardi | April 8, 2008, 10:21 am 10:21 am
04/02/08 – OBAMA ANNOYED WITH RUDE FAN DURING A STOP IN PHILADELPHIA.
Barack Hussein Obama refused to have his picture taken with a potential voter-fan in Philadelphia! Too bad the guy was a “typical white person”—had he been black or half black—I’m sure the picture would have been taken.
Obama was “rude”! He did not handle this properly. He is such a chick. If he is bothered by this, then how would he deal with a real threat? In fact, how would he handle anything that would test his temperance, or lack thereof.
If he can’t be nice to potential voters, obviously, he doesn’t need our vote! That’s what ‘campaigning’ is about!
Proud to vote for him? I THINK NOT!
Posted by: CAROLINA | April 8, 2008, 10:23 am 10:23 am
Carolina:
If Obama gets this upset over someone requesting a photo, I’d hate to see his reaction to a real dilemma! It shows me he’s not ready and can’t take the heat—so he needs to stay out of the kitchen!
He sure has a lot of anger issues. He and his wife have been outspoken about people of other races (remember his remarks about his ‘typical white grandmother’?). What else is he hiding?
If he wins the Democratic nomination, come November, the Republicans will bring it all to light and tear him to shreds.
Proud to vote for Hillary!
Posted by: THINKABOUTIT | April 8, 2008, 10:25 am 10:25 am
One must not forget Ronald Regan (known for his foreign policy expertise) had little to no experience nor did JFK. Those who have held political office or been related (Bush and Clinton) often owe many as they climb. THis is one of the few jobs that experience is not a tell tale sign.
Posted by: JBC | Apr 8, 2008 9:43:35 AM
well, Obama has ALOT of experience in black values based on Jim Cone’s racist teachings: http://www.utsnyc.edu/NETCOMMUNITY/Page.aspx?&pid=353
obama has ALOT of experience..20 years worth, of listening to religion filtered through race.
Disgusting.
Posted by: destardi | April 8, 2008, 10:27 am 10:27 am
GO TO YOUR SEARCH ENGINE
AND LOOK UP THE NAME:
LARRY SINCLAIR
YOU’LL GET A LITTLE MORE INFO ABOUT OBAMA’S RELATIONSHIPS.
Posted by: Thinking | April 8, 2008, 10:28 am 10:28 am
The question in your headline, Mr. Dowd, is a bit vulgar. And the perspective you offer about ‘predictors of success’ completely abandons the value of being prepared for the job you want. They are different subjects.
I’m voting for Hillary, no matter what, because I can’t sign my name to either Obama or McCain.
If anyone is of a like mind, there’s a site about it at http://writehillaryin.com
Posted by: Jay in LA | April 8, 2008, 10:28 am 10:28 am
The issue is currently voting for ideas or revenge – however:
If one searches for “Bill Clinton pardons controversy”, travelgate, or whitewatergate on wikipedia one can find all of the evidence a reasonable person would need for associating the Clintons with lying and associating with fellons.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_pardons_controversy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitewatergate
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_House_travel_office_controversy
Posted by: disambiguates | April 8, 2008, 10:29 am 10:29 am
surething – Any discussion of electability should be examined in tandem with the ability to be a good leader – hence, the examples of experience both Dowd and I cited. Maybe I should have stated it differently, but ultimately , experience does matter. Once again, instead of giving your reasons for supporting your candidate, you attack me personally for my opinion. Just another example of short term thinking when this country is in crisis. Personal attacks on others for a difference of opinion is one of the many reasons are current government is in such a sorry state.
Posted by: mhhunt | April 8, 2008, 10:30 am 10:30 am
For all you Clinton bashers . I want you all name a President that didnt do nothing wrong or who didnt lie. I think all Presidents do lie and did something we didnt all like but we got find the good things have done. I have seen alot of good that they have done . The employment was up.
Posted by: amy | April 8, 2008, 11:12 am 11:12 am
BARACK OBAMA FOR PRESIDENT!
BECAUSE INTEGRITY MATTERS
BECAUSE INTELLIGENCE MATTERS
BECAUSE HONESTY MATTERS.
* and no..I don’t drink Koolaid
and no…I don’t think you’re racist if you don’t vote for Senator Obama.
and no…I really don’t care WHO you vote for or stay home WHEN Senator Obama is the nominee.
and …Florida and Michigan KNEW they were breaking the rules and I have no sympathy for their cause.
Posted by: TJ IN LA | April 8, 2008, 11:15 am 11:15 am
Amy: the prosperity of the 1990s was the result of the Internet bubble – computing changed the world and the US was the primary beneficiary. It was more the result of competition with the Russians through the 60′s than it had to do with anything the Clintons did.
My questions is whether or not you are voting out of revenge for the whacks the Clintons took or are you voting for their ideas. If you are voting for their ideas, what are they?
We know the Clintons abused women and are perfectly willing to be divisive and pit race and group against each other. Now, some people like that. Does not seem to be a way for the country to dig itself out of a hole.
Posted by: disambiguates | April 8, 2008, 11:21 am 11:21 am
I do not know if you pundits really get what clinton means by experience. It is code for I will have the benefit of a president with 8 years experience to give me advice. As I remember those as good economic times
Posted by: The Lord of War | April 8, 2008, 11:35 am 11:35 am
OBAMA: EXPERIANCED LISTENING TO A PASTOR WHO SPEWED HATE FOR 2O YEARS.
CLINTON: EXPERIANCED LIAR.
MCCAIN 2008. INEVITABLY.
Posted by: JACK | April 8, 2008, 11:35 am 11:35 am
I am astonished to hear the animosity, if not hatred, directed Obama by the supposed Democrats on this blog. I was originally a supporter of Clinton and shifted to Obama as I heard more about his positions on the issues. I switched because it appeared that Obama is more prepared than Clinton to change the deadly, destructive, and greedy policies that are currently unraveling this country (after all, analysts now recognize that Bill Clinton’s presidency was a very conservative Democratic administration (e.g., enacting NAFTA, TANF, and the Telecommunication Act of 1996)). Are you folks so in love with Hillary that you are willing to destroy Obama, and subject us to rule by big business and the military for another 4-8 years?! Why are we Democrats so intent on political suicide? Whoever gets the Democratic nomination, either Obama or Clinton would be infinitely better than another Republican warlord in the White House.
Posted by: afloridavoter | April 8, 2008, 11:48 am 11:48 am
The Lord of War: the experience mantra being code for economic good times or that Bill will be back to get even are both troubling.
The economic good times of the 1990s were due to the technology revolution that started with our competition with the Russians (then Soviets). The Clintons did nothing to stimulate computng, wifi, or the Internet.
I am sure neither one of them knows a bit of calculus or ever took a course in technology management.
Posted by: disambiguates | April 8, 2008, 12:03 pm 12:03 pm
I do not know if you pundits really get what clinton means by experience. It is code for I will have the benefit of a president with 8 years experience to give me advice.
GOOD EXPERIENCE BEING A WIFE TO THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES THAT USHERED IN THE DEMISE OF THIS COUNTRY VIA…
1.(NAFTA) AMERICA’S LONG NIGHTMARE !!
NAFTA: HILLARY CLINTON LIED ABOUT NEVER PUBLICLY SUPPORTING AND ALWAYS BEING AGAINST NAFTA !!
UNTIL TIM RUSSERT, BRIAN WILLIAMS AND BARACK OBAMA & HER TAX STATEMENTS EXPOSED HER FOR THE FRAUD SHE IS !!
2. BILL & HILLARY CLINTON ALLOWING NORMAN HSU AND OTHER CHINESE INFILTRATE THE WHITE HOUSE AND HAVE ACCESS TO GOVERNMENT SECRET DOCUMENT (ESPIONAGE)
SEEDS PLANTED IN DUE SEASON BARE GREAT FRUIT FOR THE FARMER, BUT NOT OTHERS..
3. THE(U.S. CITIZENS)HAVE NOT BENEFITED FROM NAFTA, THE OUTSOURCING OF JOBS TO CHINA & INDIA
HILLARY CLINTON HAS NOT HELPED HER STATE OF (NY) ALTHOUGH SHE HAS SAID “NAFTA HAS HELPED THE STATE OF NY AND HAS PROVEN IT’S WORTH”
109 MILLION DOLLARS WORTH !!
4. TAX RECORDS, HAS PROVED NAFTA, OUTSOURCING OF AMERICAN JOBS TO CHINA, MEXICO, CANADA, INDIA AND OTHER COUNTRIES HAS HELPED THE CLINTON’S
WHEN YOU CAN THRIVE THROUGH ALL OF THIS AND STILL MAKE MORE MONEY, SOME PEOPLE CALL THAT INSIDER TRADING.
THE CLINTONS HELPED THEMSELVES
5. CHINA & THE UNITED ARAB EMIRATES,THE DUBAI PORTS DEAL AND BILL IS A BUSINESS PARTNER WITH THE UNITED ARAB EMIRATES OF DUBAI
WHILE THE (USA) HAS SUFFERED BY A LOW CURRENCY, MORTGAGE CRISIS, HIGH UNEMPLOYMENT, OUTSOURCING OF NATIONAL JOBS TO INDIA & CHINA AND NO UNIVERSAL HEALTH INSURANCE !!
ITS OBVIOUS, THAT THE CLINTON’S HAVE PLANTED A GREAT CROP FOR THEMSELVES AND NOT YOU OR ME…
THATS CRYSTAL CLEAR AS CLEAN FLOWING STREAMS OF WATER.
Posted by: o. | April 8, 2008, 12:22 pm 12:22 pm
I’ll take intelligence over experience any day – make mine Obama. Intelligence to make sound decisions and to take appropriate action. Clinton and McSame are old school dyed in the wool politicians – yep, 30 years of experience in running the racket. That’s not the type of experience we need. They’re just more of the same old spineless pols who consider it proper to keep going through the same motions with the same result and wondering why? No thanks. Go Obama.
Posted by: Julie | April 8, 2008, 12:30 pm 12:30 pm
Matthew Dowd is NOT CREDIBLE … he is so anti-Clinton that he has blinders on. Clinton did not deliver the biggest blow that NObama has to overcome … which is his attendance for 20 years in an anti-white-America church .. he did it himself. So, this statement shows just how manipulative Dowd can be .. in his “error thinking”:
Though the longer this Democratic process goes on in a bitter battle, the Clinton folks are making sure Obama may also be weakened going into the fall.
Posted by: Jackson | April 8, 2008, 12:35 pm 12:35 pm
Alexis Compton: Kennedy and Kerry hired Axelrod(aka Dr. Evilrod) to run Obama’s campaign. You don’t really think Obama is running his own campaign do you. He is a hand picked, down and dirty Chicago politician groomed for this run. Don’t you know that your “special candidate’s special campaign” already had a practice run in MA – it was Deval Patrick’s exact same campaign, right down to CHANGE and YES WE CAN. Obama even gives the same speeches as Patrick gave. So how is Patrick doing? The people of MA hate him, and Obama LOST IN MA BY 15 POINTS, what does that tell you? It tells me that the Harvard Boys Club is a bunch of presidential wannabee losers, who can’t stand to see the Clintons have any success, and especially a WOMAN CLINTON, that would be the end of the PRESIDENTIAL BOYS CLUB!!!
Posted by: rs | April 8, 2008, 12:41 pm 12:41 pm
BE A PROUD AMERICAN AND TAKE BACK THE WHITEHOUSE
It’s time to stoke the flames of Democracy!
As Democrats have we forgotten the manner in which we have been treated over the past nearly eight years?
Don’t we remember being referred to as the DemocRat party?
Of being called the cowardly, unpatriotic, cut and run party?
Of being confronted with arrogance and distain at every turn by men whose only interest is personal enrichment through profits generated by their war?
Of being told that it”s OK for Middle Eastern companies, often fronts for foreign governments and or terrorist organizations to manage our most vital seaports?
Of being met with shrugs when questions arise over oil company profits and prices at the gas pump?
Of having a cost of 2.9 trillion dollars shoved down our throats to fund a war that has taken 4023 our sons and daughters? Of being told the economy is in good shape and we should just get over the mortgage crisis.
Of suggestions that illegal covert electronic eavesdropping and surveillance of American citizens is not a matter for the constitution?
We”ve endured untold numbers of insults, lies and diversions from a corrupt, arrogant, lascivious, illegal and despicable group of perverse old men who prize their wealth over their humanity.
IF YOU”RE A HILLARY FAN THAT”S GREAT. IF YOU”RE A BARACK FAN THAT”S EQUALLY GREAT. WE MUST NEVER LOSE SIGHT OF ONE ABSOLUTE. A DEMOCRAT MUST SIT IN THE OVAL OFFICE FOR THE NEXT EIGHT YEARS AND BEYOND.
Posted by: L1Standing | April 8, 2008, 12:42 pm 12:42 pm
DESTARDI,
THANK YOU FOR BRING OUT THE
FACTS ABOUT OBAMA ( A PERSON WHO KNEW
LOUIS FARRAKHAN AND A FRIEND OF REV.
WRIGHT )BUT IT DOES’T MATTER BECAUSE
THE LEFT WING MEDIA HAS HIM ELECTED.
WAKE UP AMERICA and THINK,THINK HARD.
Posted by: vinnie | April 8, 2008, 12:43 pm 12:43 pm
To GC: Most Democrats, and even the anti-Hillary pundits, all agree that Hillary truly cares for this country, truly cares about what direction this country is moving in, and truly cares about the American people. Obama is a “down and dirty Chicago politician” only interested in lining his pockets and lining the pockets of all his dirty connections that he’s made promises to. On top of the fact that he completely disowned his white mother and white grandmother with his membership in the Black Theology, hate mongering TUCC church. Obama’s ties to Rezko, Farrakhan, Ayers, Khalidi, and the Iraqui billionaire all call into question his judgement to be president. Obama is a puppet candidate – there is no foresight in his candidacy other than following his puppet orders. When he does have to make a decision, he flips, and flops, and waffles, and presses the wrong button to vote, or votes present…Obama the manager, hahahahahaha, that’s as funny as the POLITICS OF CHANGE hahahahahahahahaha!!!!!
Posted by: rs | April 8, 2008, 1:01 pm 1:01 pm
Experience has matter in absolutely every single job I’ve held since my mid 20′s. If I want to be a manager at a fast food restaurant I’ll either need some managerial experience or experience working at that establishment
(and how long I’ve been there would be a factor) and if I’ve worked there what my performance has been will be taken into account. So if I want to manage a McDonald’s, Burger King or Wendy’s- I need experience but to be President people are going to say “What’s the big deal about experience?” and “Experience is overrated”. Experience does not guarantee a positive outcome but it doesn’t mean you take the basic, minimum
criteria off the table.
Posted by: alpaig | April 8, 2008, 1:02 pm 1:02 pm
Destardi…How do you know what is in Michelle Obama’s thesis? It has not been releashed yet. Oh, let me guess, you are guessing. Face it Obama is the best for the job nad all this negativity is not going to change that!
Posted by: Emilianna | April 8, 2008, 1:08 pm 1:08 pm
Lets face it. All politicians exaggerate, stretch the facts, and try to take credit when it isn’t due. Otherwise, they wouldn’t be in this business.
For me, my choices boil down to who has run the better campaign? I think its a good yardstick since this is the biggest thing these two have ever managed.
Hillary Clinton has turned out to be an incompetent manager. She misjudged her opposition, didn’t plan for the worst, made bad judgements in hiring her staff and mismanaged her finances. Her reliance on traditional methods of campaign financing has resulted in her always lagging behind her opposition.
Barrack Obama has shown that he can hire the right people, revolutionize campaign financing, stayed on message and didn’t underestimate his opposition.
Sorry, but the choice is pretty clear. Granted, there are some folks who won’t vote for him, no matter what, due to his race, name, sex, etc. The same could be said for Hillary who brings a lot of baggage with her.
Lets not lose sight that we have a general election coiming up and we cannot have another 8 years of Bush’s failed policies.
Posted by: ChrisSalzmann | April 8, 2008, 1:10 pm 1:10 pm
Obama doesn’t have the experience nor good judgement.
Posted by: mary | April 8, 2008, 1:15 pm 1:15 pm
Mhhunt suggests Bush and Carter suggest that experience matters when it comes to actually being President, and he is even wrong on that point. hoover had a wealth of experience in government, as did George HW Bush, and both failed. FDR had little experience in government, 1 term as a governor and a sub cabinet post, Lincoln had no experience save 2 years in the House. Reagan had little experience given his age, (the same amount as George W Bush, 2 terms as a governor.) Experience is no guide to how good a candidate nor how good a President a person will be. Athough I think Matt Dowd is right that less experience is not a bad thing at all in a candidate.
Posted by: markymark | April 8, 2008, 1:21 pm 1:21 pm
SO MUCH NATIONAL & INTERNATIONAL EXPERIENCE, THERE SEEMS TO BE AN APPARENT AMD OBVIOUS (BIAS-PREDJUDICE) AGANST OBAMA, THAT IS NOT EVENLY APPLIED TO OTHER (WHITE CANDIDATES) WHO LACKED “EXPERIENCE” LIKE…..
GEORGE BUSH JR…. NO NATIONAL OR INTERNATIONAL EXPERIENCE STATE ONLY (TEX.) LASTED 8 YEARS AND HE’S RUINED AMERICA’S NATIONAL & INTERNATIONAL REPORE AND RESPECT…
I SAID BOTH NATIONAL AND INTERNATIONAL AND I SURELY DID’NT VOTE FOR HIS DIM-WITTED A!!
RONALD REAGAN…NO NATIONAL OR INTERNATIONAL EXPERIENCE STATE ONLY (CAL.) LASTED 8 YEARS
BILL CLINTON …NO EXPERIENCE IN NATIONAL OR INTERNATIONAL POLITICS STATE ONLY (ARK.) LASTED 8 YEARS
JIMMY CARTER…NO EXPERIENCE IN INTERNATIONAL OR NATIONAL EXPERIENCE. STATE ONLY (GA.) LASTED 4 YEARS
NOTE: OF ALL THE PRESIDENTS WITH NO NATIONAL OR INTERNATIONAL EXPERIENCE, (GEORGE H. BUSH) HAD MORE “NATIONAL & INTERNATIONAL EXPERIENCE” (CIA DIR.) THEN ALL PRESIDENTS IN THE MODERN ERA AND LASTED ONLY (4 YEARS)
SO MUCH FOR “EXPERIENCE”
SO WHAT IN THE HE!! ARE YOU HATE MONGERS SOUNDING OFF ON “EXPERIENCE”
JOHN F. KENNEDY HAD ONLY 8 YEARS AS SENATOR AND WAS KILLED !!
SO MUCH FOR “EXPERIENCE” !!
Posted by: o. | April 8, 2008, 1:25 pm 1:25 pm
From a different perspective…
In 2000, Bush and Cheney had ton of experience. Cheney had been secretary of Defense, Bush the Gov of Texas. Yet, this is where they got us. Clinton did not have any experience on the national level. Look at the economy.
Posted by: David | April 8, 2008, 1:28 pm 1:28 pm
Opponents of Sen. John Kerry proved in the 2004 election that voters are sensitive to suggestions that a candidate is not sufficiently patriotic. The Democratic presidential nominee’s campaign was torpedoed by critics of his Vietnam War record called the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, even though he won multiple military honors and was lauded by his superiors.
Obama already is the subject of a shadowy smear campaign
Posted by: mary | April 8, 2008, 1:34 pm 1:34 pm
In October, Obama told Iowa television station KCRG that he decided to stop wearing a U.S. flag lapel pin during the run-up to the Iraq war because it had become “a substitute for, I think, true patriotism.”
“I decided I won’t wear that pin on my chest. Instead, I’m going to try to tell the American people what I believe will make this country great and, hopefully, that will be a testimony to my patriotism,” Obama said.
Michelle Obama told an audience in Milwaukee, “For the first time in my adult life, I am really proud of my country.
This is how Michelle and Obama think of our Country!! Do we really need more people to hate our country?
Posted by: mary | April 8, 2008, 1:41 pm 1:41 pm
Carolina…You are feeled wuth hate and you are a racist. Why are you still using Obama’s middle name. Face it Hillary is a loser and you are angry. So why don’t you keep thos racist remarks to yourself and talk about the issues without the implicaTIONS!
Posted by: Emilianna | April 8, 2008, 1:47 pm 1:47 pm
hILLARY SUPPROTERS ARE VERY ANGRY1! Don’t be sore loosers, she can try in 2012 maybe she will have learned a lesson, HONESTY is the best POLICY. BYE!BYE!HILLARY see you in 4 years!Obama08****
Posted by: Emilianna | April 8, 2008, 1:55 pm 1:55 pm
Emilianna: How does using Obama’s middle name make anyone a racist? Are they being racist against African-Americans, or are they being racist against Arab-Americans? Is the fall-back line for all Obama supporters to cry RACIST when things get too tough or someone has the audacity to speak the truth about Obama? OBAMA IS A PUPPET CANDIDATE with no experience, and Matthew Dowd is probably correct in saying that it doesn’t matter, since Obama won’t be making executive decisions when he is president, his puppet masters will be making the decisions for him.
Posted by: rs | April 8, 2008, 2:01 pm 2:01 pm
To all you uncivilized and uneducated posters who can’t seem to get your heads out of the gutter, stop the hatred toward each other, and come to reality, stop the name calling, because it’s not going to take us anywhere, stop acting like little kids with no views and no morals, and think about this country that’s going down the drain wether you all like it or not this country is in real deep s!it right now, and it’s going to get worse when you all give it to Mccain, again another reign of terror for us. Let me state the real deal for all of you who seems to be stupid and dumb, white america says they not ready for a woman to be president of this country yet, and don’t want to vote for Hillary, and again white america don’t want to vote for Obama, because is black period not because is unexperienced okay people they just not ready to take order from a black man, they have real issues with that okay, so please cut out the hypocrisy about the unexperience part, before God smithe your for being real bad racists goons, i’m black i love all races, and i dislike haters, and racists, but unfortunately it is a pity this world is full of wicked soul, may God have mercies on our souls, especially they ones that says they christians and still have hate for humans being like themselves and forgot about (love thy neighbors as your love yourselves). All I can say is that your giving the white house to a republican again point blank shame on you all. Peace and love to all who hates.
Posted by: Esther Casimir | April 8, 2008, 2:01 pm 2:01 pm
So you’re saying that Obama wont win the election because Hillary can try in 2012! Well I’m glad you have the confidence on your Obama to loose against McCain. The Republicans will crush him because there is so much more that the media has not expose of him.
Just to let you know that you have to do your math people.
Posted by: mary | April 8, 2008, 2:01 pm 2:01 pm
Oh my god..I heard somewhere that barack obama plans to butcher kittens in the white house.
Hillary ’08
Posted by: matt | April 8, 2008, 2:04 pm 2:04 pm
Oh my god..I heard somewhere that barack obama plans to butcher kittens in the white house.
Hillary ’08
Posted by: matt | April 8, 2008, 2:05 pm 2:05 pm
GEORGE BUSH SOMETIMES WEARS A USA FLAG PEN AND SOMETIMES NOT AND HE STILL, HAS BEEN THE CAUSE OF AMERICA’S DOWNFALL IN THE NATIONAL & INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITIES !!
4007 AMERICAN LIVES LOSSED AND 100,000 IRAQI CITIZENS, LIVES LOSSED, UNDER FALSE PRETENSES !! (WMD)
DO YOU WEAR A FLAG PIN ON YOUR SHIRT OR SUIT TO SHOW THAT YOU’RE “PATRIOTIC”…PLEASE
SIGN UP FOR A TOUR IN IRAQ OR AFGHANISTAN OR ENLIST IN UNICEF AS A CIVILIAN REPRESETATTIVE OF AMERICA IN A FOREIGN LAND..
ENLIST IN THE COAST GAURD OR NATIONAL GAURD, BEFORE YOU TALK ABOUT “PATRIOTISM”
BECAUSE PATRIOTISM IS AN ACTION WORD, NOT … SYMBOLIC FLAG PINS
MANY OTHERS HAVE SIGNED UP !!
SO SIGN UP..MR. PATRIOTIC PIN WEARER !!
I DON’T LIKE CHEERLEADERS, MARCHING BANDS, SCREAMING FANS OR SPORTS WRITERS, BECAUSE THEY DO NOT PLAY THE GAME, THEY WEAR THE UNIFORM SHIRTS, THEY SCREAM AND HOLLER, BUT THEY DON’T PLAY THE GAME !!
THEY ALWAYS SAY, WE AS IN THE (TEAM) THAT REPRESENTS THEIR CITY, THAT “WE WON” …WHEN WE WON …NOTHING !!
THE TEAM WON OR LOSSED, NOT YOU !
THOSE SOLDIERS IN AFGHANISTAN & IRAQ ARE DOING THIS, AGAINST SOME, THEIR WILLS, BUT THEY ARE DOING IT, AS BEST THEY !!
UNLESS YOU’RE DOING IT, DON’T TALK ABOUT (WE) AS IN THE USA TROOPS (THEY) THE USA TROOPS ARE DOING THE SWEATING, BEING PERMANENTLY INJURED AND DYING FOR THIS COUNTRY AND THATS.. “PATRIOTISM”
I’M A VETERAN AND WEARING A PIN FLAG ON MY CHEST IS NOT “PATRIOTISM” ITS SYMBOLISM….
PATRIOTISM IS AN ACT OF THE HEART AND OF ACTION !!
WEARING A FLAG PIN IS SYMBOLIC AND THATS ALL IT IS.
NO ACTION INVOLVED OR REQUIRED.
OBAMA’S RIGHT IN HIS ASSESSMENT…
THE WEARING OF A FLAG PIN DOES NOT MAKE YOU “PATRIOTIC” ..
YOUR ACTIONS DO !!
SIGN UP OR SHUT UP ABOUT OBAMA WEARING A PIN FLAG ON SUIT !!
I’VE NOTICED WITH ALL THIS FLAG PIN RHETORIC, THAT HILLARY CLINTON DOES NOT WEAR THE FLAG PIN OFTEN, NOR DOES JOHN MCCAIN !!
ITS OBAMA THAT HAS TO WEAR THE PIN AND THE OTHERS ARE OMMITED FROM THE SAME JUDGEMENTS.
Posted by: o. | April 8, 2008, 2:08 pm 2:08 pm
Comparing Bush2′s experience with Obama’s is off the mark. Bush2′s problem wasn’t lack of experience, it was lack of intelligence. His Father tried to remedy that by getting him to put two of the most experienced pols in Washington on his team, Cheney and Rumsfeld. Does anyone believe the counrty would be in any better position if Cheney or Rumsfeld, with all their experience, had been elected President instead of Bush2? The issue is intelligence and judgment.
Since when is the ability to handle the presidency measured by the number of years spent as a Washington pol inside the beltway?
Obama consistently has shown good judgment, vision and intelligence which will be much more useful in the White House than years spent in Washington. Claiming “experience” is just another way of admitting you plan to keep doing things the way they have always been done.
There is zero correlation between length of experience in government and success as President. Some of the greatest failures as President had the most government experience, such as Hoover and Nixon, and to a lesser extent, Lyndon Johnson and Bush Sr. All had failed Presidencies. On the other hand, some with the least experience in Washington were the greatest successes, i.e. Lincoln, FDR, Kennedy
Posted by: Dennis | April 8, 2008, 2:09 pm 2:09 pm
ChrisSalzmann – I agree. If you can’t even manage (or choose the correct managers) to run your own campaign, how are you going to handle the entire country? Go Obama.
Posted by: VOTE DEMOCRAT 08! | April 8, 2008, 2:14 pm 2:14 pm
“Oh my god..I heard somewhere” OMG isn’t that how Hillary starts out all of her untrue stories?
Posted by: Bar Maid | April 8, 2008, 2:15 pm 2:15 pm
“Oh my god..I heard somewhere” OMG isn’t that how Hillary starts out all of her untrue stories?
Posted by: Bar Maid | April 8, 2008, 2:15 pm 2:15 pm
Barack is an intelligent person and comparison to bush by the hillaryites is not a fair comparison at all.
Barack unlike bush has worked hard for all his achievements. He is a professor in a university and has shown good judgement and cajones to deal with issues.
He has made missteps but i believe in him more than i will ever tusrt in hillary.
Obama ’08.
Posted by: jadeYi | April 8, 2008, 2:17 pm 2:17 pm
Obama’s comments led conservatives and media commentators to question his patriotism.
First Obama kicked his American flag pin to the curb. Now Obama has a new round of patriotism problems. Wait until you hear what the White House hopeful didn’t do during the singing of the national anthem.
Dont get mad because the statement came out of Obama’s mouth on how he doesn’t like or will ever wear the pin.
Obama will be crushed if the nomonee!
Posted by: mary | April 8, 2008, 2:23 pm 2:23 pm
Hillary and her gang are running NAFTA deals right out in the open, then they get caught and she acts surprised, she needs to keeps talking, sooner or later that hole will be too big for her to get out of….
Posted by: Hal | April 8, 2008, 2:25 pm 2:25 pm
Mary-We know what Obama did while the National anthem played, he sang along instead of just standing there like a dope with his hand on his heart. Wow, the scandal of it all.
Do you know what politician started the flag on the lapel bit, yep, the unindicted co-conspirator himself, Richard M. Nixon. We don’t need anymore of that kind of phony patriotism.
Posted by: Dennis | April 8, 2008, 2:30 pm 2:30 pm
In contrast, the Obama campaign refused to confirm or deny the initial report on contacting Canadian Government about NAFTA. But over its following days, Obama and his campaign made a series of false denials about its communication with the Canadian government about NAFTA. A memo from the Canadian government established that the Obama campaign did have a meeting, making assurances contrary to what Obama has told voters.
From what I know it was senior member met with Canada, and as far as I know Obama still has him on his campaign. At least Hillary took action in demoting her advisor. Hillary takes action & Obama doesn’t.
Vote Hillary!
Posted by: mary | April 8, 2008, 2:32 pm 2:32 pm
Mary….You are probably fight and it will not be because he is not patriotic enough but because he is black! I just read a study on Newsmax and 62% of whites said that they would not vote for Obama because he is black. And you people wonder why blacks feel the way the do. Americans hat blacks and that is all it is to it. May God have mercy on your souls!
Posted by: Emilianna | April 8, 2008, 2:33 pm 2:33 pm
Dennis..What I’m trying to tell you is that regardless of what any of you say, Obama will have major problems come in November. They crushed John Kerry of his patriotism, what makes you think they will let Obama slide on all these accusations of him? Come on!
Posted by: mary | April 8, 2008, 2:38 pm 2:38 pm
The true experience we need is to bring back the prosperity during the Clinton years and not another trainee (Obama) just like W Bush.
To date, Hillary has more electoral college votes than Obama therfore Hillary should win the nomination. Hey superdelegate, you should vote or switch your superdelegates votes to Hillary due to current electoral colleges votes. This should be a headline. She received superdelegates vote from Arkansas, whcih shoudl also be a headline.
Posted by: Alfredo | April 8, 2008, 2:40 pm 2:40 pm
Emiliana..I’m black & Hispanic, so don’t call me out. Do you want to know the reason why white people are no longer voting for Obama? Because of people like you, that continue to play the race card. You must of thought I was white because I don’t like Obama right? Well you are wrong! There are many black africans that are not voting for Obama (20%).
Posted by: mary | April 8, 2008, 2:41 pm 2:41 pm
Mary- Basically your saying the American people are so stupid they will vote against the better candidate and ignore the issues because of silly claims that Obama isn’t patriotic because of a lapel pin issue. I have more trust in the ability of the American people to see through this nonsense.
Posted by: Dennis | April 8, 2008, 2:56 pm 2:56 pm
To Dowd – That’s a novel argument – that experience and a record can work to your detriment. You’re not the first one however to reach that conclusion – David Axelrod and Obama have based their campaign on it.
How else to explain the packaging of a candidate who began running almost as soon as he was elected to the Senate- for the first time – for the Presidency!
It also provides the context for all those “present” votes. It’s easier to create a persona than to defend a solid record.
Posted by: s. valenti | April 8, 2008, 2:56 pm 2:56 pm
What ridiculous logic! Of course experience matters. As a general rule, I would much rather have someone operate on me who had the experience of having performed the operation on several occasions rather than one who had never done the surgery. I think Hillary knows from Bill’s experience that knowing how to run the White House and how things work in the White House on Day One is a great asset. Why anyone would say that doesn’t matter is beyond me. While it may not be the deciding factor, it is an important consideration.
Posted by: sarnorton | April 8, 2008, 3:11 pm 3:11 pm
I’ve been to ball games and didn’t have a lapel pin or put my hand over my heart, I feel very patriotic when I stand up and face the flag, usually there are more than one flag to look at…
Posted by: Hal | April 8, 2008, 3:11 pm 3:11 pm
Obama supporter has given up her role as a pledged delegate? This just came out today!
Linda Ramirez-Sliwinski, an a Hispanic trustee for the Village of Carpentersville, Ill., was accused of racism following the interaction with her African-American neighbors.
Given the incident, she is stepping down and will be replaced as delegate,” Ben Labolt, a spokesman for the Obama campaign told FOXNews.com, calling Sliwinski’s remarks “unacceptable.”
Ramirez-Sliwinski told the kids to stop playing in her next-door neighbor’s tree because she was worried they would fall out of the tree and hurt themselves, Kilbourne said.
Dametta Stewart, a parent of one of the kids, alleges that Ramirez-Sliwinski came outside and told the kids to “quit playing in the tree like monkeys,” according to the police report. Stewart told police she was upset and felt the comment was racist since her children are African-American, Kilbourne said.
Everyone calls there children monkeys. See how the Obama campaign once again plays the racist card. Now on Hispanics!
Posted by: mary | April 8, 2008, 3:14 pm 3:14 pm
Certainly experience and judgment are factors to be considered. I don’t see where Obama has the upperhand to Hillary on either.
If raising an incredible amount of money and outspending an opponent 5 to 1 in order to win makes you a great leader/manager, then I think that gives all of us a pretty good idea of how he’ll run the country as well.
Posted by: sarnorton | April 8, 2008, 3:16 pm 3:16 pm
OBAMA: 1,642 VS. HILLARY: 1,507
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032553/
CALL ME, WHEN CLINTON CAN MATCH OBAMA OR SURPASS OBAMA…
SHE WON’T, SHE CAN’T AND THATS THE BALL GAME !!
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/04/07/opinion/main3998506.shtml?source=search_story
The notion that the superdelegates will decide the race implies that pledged delegates won’t matter–like a sports event that goes to overtime.
Obviously, though, the pledged-delegate count determines how many superdelegates each candidate needs. Depending on how the remaining primaries go, Clinton will need about two-thirds of the uncommitted ones to break her way. Problem is, over the last month, superdelegates have broken to Obama by 78 percent to 22 percent.
And the supers who haven’t endorsed are even less likely to side with Clinton. Numerous reports on uncommitted superdelegates have made clear that they have remained on the sideline out of an exquisite fear of stepping on the results of the voters.
As my colleague Noam Scheiber reported, “Just about every superdelegate and party operative I spoke with endorsed Nancy Pelosi’s recent suggestion that pledged delegates should matter most” (“Slouching Toward Denver,” April 9).
Posted by: o. | April 8, 2008, 3:20 pm 3:20 pm
The only reason as stated at Fox News following a search in who contributes money to Obama; said that half of the money that was contributed for his campaign came from the internet (moveon.org). Well that explains it. Obama continues to outspend Hillary but she continues to win big states that she was outspend. That shows that money is not all that counts. Hillary will continue to win and prove that she is a fighter!
Posted by: mary | April 8, 2008, 3:24 pm 3:24 pm
Talk about how Hillary Clinton runs her campaign…
1. Supplying her campaign with (5 Million)
2. Her inability to keep stable Campaign personnel, like Campiagn Mgr. & Chief Startegist !!
3. Her inability to tell the TRUTH about Anything regarding her so called “Experience”
Like… brokering Peace in N.Ireland, Her Dangerous Trip to Bosnia under Sniper Fire !! Her Ohio Hospital Tragedy Story, because the poor Lady had NO INSURANCE !!
Or the Illusion that Hillary Clinton is a Middle Classed, working Day to Day to make Ends Meet AMERICAN !!
THOUGH HER TAX RETURNS EXPOSE HER AS A UPPER CLASS 109 MILLION DOLLAR ..ELITIST !!
Posted by: o. | April 8, 2008, 3:29 pm 3:29 pm
Lets get one thing straight! No one won the pledge delagate count! So they have to go base on either the popular vote or the superdelegates which gives them how they want! We have a large number of unknown factors. For many of them, we have very little idea what values they will ultimately take. What we do know is that small changes in several of them could induce large changes in the vote count. This makes it extremely difficult to be as precise as many commentators have been. We need to be wary of all the uncertainty we face.
Calculation has Clinton netting about 446,000 votes between now and June 3. Under all scenarios that exclude Florida and Michigan votes and count the votes of Washington’s primary Obama still retains a popular vote lead of not more than 330,000 or an advantage of less than one and a half percent.
>Under a scenario that includes the Florida and Michigan votes for Clinton, gives Obama all of the uncommitted Michigan votes, estimates the votes for all the caucus states and includes the Washington primary, Clinton wins by about 16,000 votes or about a tenth of one percent.
Which scenario is “right?” Under DNC rules, until the credentials committee figures out which delegations to seat, Florida and Michigan do not exist. But the voters in those states certainly do in the existential sense and if we’re answering the question by figuring out how many Democrats voted for Obama versus how many Democrats voted for Clinton.
Well, Democrats like to count every vote
Posted by: mary | April 8, 2008, 3:37 pm 3:37 pm
o…
1. So what that she supplied the money!
2. At least Hillary took action on her strategist unlike Obamas campaign did have a meeting with Canada about Nafta, making assurances contrary to what Obama has told voters.
3. She does have the experience
Hillary recently misspoke about her trip to Bosnia. She accurately describes the trip in her book, Living History. Contemporaneous news accounts confirm that Hillary’s trip to Bosnia was a dangerous situation.
Obama Acknowledges Hillary’s Role In Northern Ireland Peace Process
The Taoiseach has said it would be very unfair for anyone to deny Hilary Clinton credit for her role in the peace process. Speaking in Washington Mr. Ahern said she had played an important role in the process along with her husband.
The hospital story is true as reported today!
When Bill Clinton ran for president they didn’t have much. Just because they made money over the years, you want to punish her for making money?
They gave 10% and paid over 35% in taxes. Obama just started giving to charity when he ran for Senate but before he barely gave. He is pretty wealthy also! Know your facts first!
Posted by: mary | April 8, 2008, 3:49 pm 3:49 pm
only Senator Clinton is capable of winning in November….obama has already shown he caves in to pressure situations…..
Posted by: chris | April 8, 2008, 3:56 pm 3:56 pm
President Clinton had experience as Governor, Al Gore would’ve been a MUCH GREATER President than dubya, and Jimmy Carter was generally more effective after his EXPERIENCE as President than when he was President…..I would have to say that experience counts, contrary to the poor analysis of someone who should know better….
Posted by: chris | April 8, 2008, 3:59 pm 3:59 pm
The voter always wants the latest and newest and don’t value experience as they should. Oblama is just words, admitted he does not have experience and still the voter votes for him. Hillary has shown she has the leadership to get this country out of bush’s mess.
VOTE HILLARY
Posted by: Kay | April 8, 2008, 4:11 pm 4:11 pm
Hillay is Not Going To Win…Get It !!
Math Never Lies, But Hillary is a Habitual Liar and only wants Access to that Reserve Fund, that has to be sent Back, if she Drops out of the Race !!
Too much Money for an Oppourtunistic Clinton, to Give Back !!
The Capitalist that She and her Husband Bill are.
OBAMA: 1,642 VS. HILLARY: 1,507
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032553/
CALL ME, WHEN CLINTON CAN MATCH OBAMA OR SURPASS OBAMA…
SHE WON’T, SHE CAN’T AND THATS THE BALL GAME !!
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/04/07/opinion/main3998506.shtml?source=search_story
The notion that the superdelegates will decide the race implies that pledged delegates won’t matter–like a sports event that goes to overtime.
Obviously, though, the pledged-delegate count determines how many superdelegates each candidate needs. Depending on how the remaining primaries go, Clinton will need about two-thirds of the uncommitted ones to break her way. Problem is, over the last month, superdelegates have broken to Obama by 78 percent to 22 percent.
And the supers who haven’t endorsed are even less likely to side with Clinton. Numerous reports on uncommitted superdelegates have made clear that they have remained on the sideline out of an exquisite fear of stepping on the results of the voters.
As my colleague Noam Scheiber reported, “Just about every superdelegate and party operative I spoke with endorsed Nancy Pelosi’s recent suggestion that pledged delegates should matter most” (“Slouching Toward Denver,” April 9).
Posted by: o. | April 8, 2008, 4:13 pm 4:13 pm
Hillary Clinton is a compulsive liar. I do not want a president who is a compulsive liar. She lies and smiles when she lies to the american people as if lying to the american people come naturally. She lied about almost dying and about a woman being denied health care. She lied about sniper fire is disrespectful to our troops and to the voters who loved one’s were killed. Stop lying enough is enough. If she can lie about possible death and smile while lying to th american people than that is scary. She is a compulsive liar and that is a fact. If you vote for Hillary than you must think it is okay to lie to the american people. I want a president who I can trust. You must be able to trust your president and Hillary is a compulsive liar, she doesn’t care about lying or the everyday american people.
Posted by: Michael | April 8, 2008, 4:14 pm 4:14 pm
You know, it’s so funny how the polls said that she was not going to win New Hampshire, California, Massachusetts, Ohio & Texas. And guess what people? She has proven everyone wrong. It’s also funny how in Ohio she beat him by a 10 point margin when the polls had suggested that it was a tie between them
Now they have them as a tie in Pennsylvania. Let’s all go on Hillary’s website & contribute http://www.hillaryclinton.com
Posted by: mary | April 8, 2008, 4:18 pm 4:18 pm
The problem is that this is not the Clinton years we need a different leadership.
I agree- I’ll take intelligence over experience any day – make mine Obama. Intelligence to make sound decisions and to take appropriate action.
Obama in 08 to move FORWARD across racial and political lines.
Posted by: JBC | April 8, 2008, 4:23 pm 4:23 pm
The problem is that this is not the Clinton years we need a different leadership.
I agree- I’ll take intelligence over experience any day – make mine Obama. Intelligence to make sound decisions and to take appropriate action.
Obama in 08 to move FORWARD across racial and political lines.
Posted by: JBC | April 8, 2008, 4:23 pm 4:23 pm
o..who the heck is Math Never? Is he a MSNBC? If he is..you do know that they are in the tank for Obama right? Who said Obama is going to win? Did you go up to the delegates and asked them if they where leaning towards Obama? If they where, they would have done it already. If Obama wins, it ends there because he will not win in the election!
By the way you guys continue to say that Hillary is a compulsive liar but Obama is also a compulsive liar. HE IS WORST!
Posted by: mary | April 8, 2008, 4:25 pm 4:25 pm
JBC..What different leadership are you talking about with Obama? He hasn’t shown that. He has demostrated the same politician as everyone else. For example:On Nafta meeting in Chicago with Canada.
In that meeting, which the Obama campaign initially denied ever took place, Goolsbee reportedly told the Canadians that Obama’s tough rhetoric on NAFTA was mere political posturing. After Canadian officials leaked a key memo that called into question the Obama campaign’s repeated denials, the campaign acknowledged the meeting but denied Goolsbee ever said any such thing.
Goolsbee, is still Obama’s top economic adviser.
Obama is and will not distance himself from Goolsbee.
Obama and his campaign have routinely dodged questions about the multiple stories they’ve told with regard to l’affaire Goolsbee. Obama should come clean about why his top economic adviser told the Canadians to dismiss his NAFTA criticism as political rhetoric before he has his campaign launch attacks.
Posted by: mary | April 8, 2008, 4:39 pm 4:39 pm
I can see the media is still stacking the cards for Obama. Think about this: Obama has outspent Hillary 4 to 1 and sometimes 3 to 1 and still lost many important states, like Ohio. He is not that attractive to voters if he can’t even win under those circumstances. If the media would be halfway fair, Hillary would run away with this election!
Posted by: Two-cats | April 8, 2008, 4:39 pm 4:39 pm
I want the guy that has less experiance, and less of a trigger finger, less arrogance etc!
Posted by: Michelle | April 8, 2008, 4:49 pm 4:49 pm
Oh and I sure as heck wont vote for the guy who was tortured for six yrs either. There is no one on this earth that will tell me he is of compliment sound mind.
I sure as heck wouldn’t be.
Posted by: Michelle | April 8, 2008, 4:52 pm 4:52 pm
Leadership and confidence are what matter. The two Democrats don’t possess either quality. Neither one has risen to the top. Neither is attractive to voters because they don’t offer strength. It’s flashbacks of Al Gore and John Kerry. Bores!
Posted by: Mary | April 8, 2008, 4:53 pm 4:53 pm
Isn’t it quite hypocritical for those calling Obama a liar to give their unwavering support to Hillary? It makes me not believe nor listen to anything Hillary supporters have to say.
Posted by: Luckyinlove | April 8, 2008, 4:58 pm 4:58 pm
Well, just more facts for you all. Hispanics will not vote for Obama only about 20% will. The majority are independents that put Bush in the White house twice. They are now on Hillary’s side but if she is not the nomonee, we will vote for McCain or just not vote at all. Also, the Asians & Jews will not vote for Obama. Oh and the other crazy thing is that the rest of the superdelegats are Jews. Go figure! We should see who the nomonee will be & I predict Hillary. This fight is not other!
Posted by: mary | April 8, 2008, 5:01 pm 5:01 pm
People get silly. So far, no one has shown that Obama has implicated in any wrong doing. He has known a couple of people who got in some hot water, but he didn’t. On the other hand, Mrs. Clinton has personally been involved in Travelgate, the “lost” lawyer papers that she said she didn’t know about but that were found in her living quarters in the White House, Cattle futures, Whitewater, the only first lady questioned in criminal investigation and on and on . . . The republicans are not going to let any of that slide. We’ll be reliving the scandals of the 90′s all over again on the nightly news and right up to the election. There are some Clinton supporters who won’t care, but there aren’t enough of them to elect her to the presidency. The voters will be swayed. She just has too much baggage, too many poll her untrustworthy and deceptive and too many just don’t like her. Obama has a much cleaner record and is much more electable.
Posted by: karela | April 8, 2008, 5:02 pm 5:02 pm
Karela..I’ve proven on Obama’s record. Look at my name for all of my postings on Obama. His flip flop on Nafta, patriotism, “present” votes and much more. The only reason why you all think that he has a clean record is because the media is bias against Hillary since the beginning and Msnbc, Cnn and more are in the tank for Obama. Just wait until his true colors come out to play..actually some have been reveiled by Fox News since the other tank networks are for Obama.
Posted by: mary | April 8, 2008, 5:16 pm 5:16 pm
Politically Obama has “done no wrong”. Why? He hasn’t done anything. Personally Obama in his own words has made “bone headed mistakes”…ie Rezko and “Rev” Wright, but oh, wait, Obama never HEARD any of those sermons….like we all fell off a turnip truck! Obama is a “made for TV” presidential candidate. The only thing Obama has done politically is campaign for president. Big Deal. Lie til they buy is his marketing strategy. So far it’s worked!
Posted by: Texas Lil | April 8, 2008, 5:17 pm 5:17 pm
Politically Obama has “done no wrong”. Why? He hasn’t done anything. Personally Obama in his own words has made “bone headed mistakes”…ie Rezko and “Rev” Wright, but oh, wait, Obama never HEARD any of those sermons….like we all fell off a turnip truck! Obama is a “made for TV” presidential candidate. The only thing Obama has done politically is campaign for president. Big Deal. Lie til they buy is his marketing strategy. So far it’s worked!
Posted by: Texas Lil | April 8, 2008, 5:17 pm 5:17 pm
“Experience is less important than good
judgement…” Give me a break! When you apply for a job, either a secretary or sale associates, will you tell the boss that you have a good judgement and he/her needs not worry about experience?????? Get a life!
Posted by: KO, Texas | April 8, 2008, 5:31 pm 5:31 pm
Barack Obama’s Foreign experience
“I went to other countries so my experience is relevant, she went to other countries and her experience isn’t relevant because I say it isn’t!”
My favorite quote of Barack’s:
“So when I speak about having lived in Indonesia for four years, having family that is impoverished in small villages in Africa–knowing the leaders is not important–what I know is the people. . . .”
“I traveled to Pakistan when I was in college-
If his definition of experience is the only one that matters- let my hereby announce I am running for governor of Florida because I took my kids to Disney World twice and got to know the people! If that fails maybe I’ll become President of Mexico-I went there on Spring Break when I was in college and again I got to know the people!
In my opinion, his comments are insulting and elitist- as if only he can glean real understanding of complex issues by being there, her understanding is somehow incomplete because she was insulated from the real issues-GIVE ME A BREAK!
Posted by: mary | April 8, 2008, 5:33 pm 5:33 pm
Friday’s Demonstration
We need to keep positive and keep helping in any way we can. Blogging, calling and donating. I wish I could be in New York on Friday. All of you close by should make an effort to attend the demonstration. She has not been treated fair by the supposely “fair main stream media”. Hillary needs for us to make a statement!!
I have not been watching MSNBC for a while but yesterday I told my husband that he is not to watch it either =) !! We will not watch it until they give some fair press to Hillary, if that ever happens…. Let’s keep up the good work!
Posted by: mary | April 8, 2008, 5:37 pm 5:37 pm
foreigner,
What Carolina said is based on facts and you are a true sore looser, not her! I have heard and seen enough attacks on Hillary from Obama supporters and the biased media since day one. Obama/his wife/Wright habor are racists. They habor hatred for so long, no wonder theirs supporters are full of it!
Posted by: Kay | April 8, 2008, 5:48 pm 5:48 pm
I agree with you Mary. My husband and I have stopped watching MSMBC since February. The anchors of this chanel are Obama’s butt kissers. Their nose turned so brown that make me ill to look at! CNN is not a fair chanel either! These people might get paid to trash Hillary! But don’t worry, real Americans will not be fooled by them.
Posted by: Joy | April 8, 2008, 6:14 pm 6:14 pm
Mary,
You are right! Asian people will not vote for Obama. We are a very large group of Asian here in Dallas came out to vote for Hillary on March 4 and proud of it! My friends and I conducted a survey in my community asking that would they vote for Obama if Hillary is not nominated! The 90% of the answer is NO! They rather vote for McCain or not vote at all!
Posted by: Asian, Dallas | April 8, 2008, 6:27 pm 6:27 pm
Thirty Five years of experience means to me that you probally owe every special interest group, and subject to receive $ from lobbist, that negates virtually all the promises you made to your constituents.
Posted by: Lewis | April 8, 2008, 6:37 pm 6:37 pm
Of course experience matters. If you don’t know even the cursory part of the job, you need advisers and that’s who will run the country. Obama advisers. I think that we have had enough of on the job training for president with G.W. Bush and his many advisers. Look where that took us.
OBAMA DOES NOT HAVE THE REQUIRED EXPERIENCE NOR LEADERSHIP SKILLS TO LEAD THIS NATION AT THE TIME WHEN EXPERIENCE AND LEADERSHIP ARE REQUIRED. Ideology will not put money into the bank or dinner on your table. Ideology will only further bankrupt the morals of this country and destroy and faith in the government that still remains.
Obama cannot do the job of president.
He is only very qualified to lead a cult. Look at his current cult record; it speaks for itself.
Posted by: Lou | April 8, 2008, 6:42 pm 6:42 pm
Are these the Asian that we dug out of Vietname, Cambodia and now are buying in the racist attitude of this country? Know this little people 30% of those dying for you were young blacks.
Posted by: Lewis | April 8, 2008, 6:47 pm 6:47 pm
Hillary was not ready for Day One of her campaign let alone Day 41. Her “experience” lost out to her ego.
Game Over.
Posted by: Sheeza Lyer | April 8, 2008, 6:49 pm 6:49 pm
Karela: your comments only prove my theory – obama is a great cult leader. Read your words once again. End of story. Pathetic and sad.
Posted by: Lou | April 8, 2008, 6:51 pm 6:51 pm
Dennis – Don’t, just don’t you DARE compare obama to Lincoln, Franklin Roosevelt or John Kennedy. DON’T YOU DAMN DARE.
The above WERE presidents of high esteem. How dare you compare a race bating, party and nation divider to actual US presidents? How dare you compare this inconsequential piece of horse pucky to our presidents of the USA? Lincoln during the civil war, FDR during the second word war, and JFK for civil rights, protecting your black butt.
Comments like these are the comments that will make 99% of the white voters vote for anyone else but Obama. I already stated that Obama is qualified as a cult leader and look what he produces: You put him in the same category as U.S.Heros and he has proved NOTHING, HE HAS PROVED NOTHING. He votes Present and that is his experience. I truly am ashamed of people like you.
Posted by: Lou | April 8, 2008, 7:12 pm 7:12 pm
Besides Obama’s long association with Rev. Wright there is Obama – Rezco (on trial for corruption) and Obama – Ayers (an unrepentent domestic terrorist) and Obama – Meeks (who said “We don’t have slave masters, we got mayors,” Meeks said then while preaching. “But they are still the same white people who are presiding over systems where black people are not able to be educated. You got some preachers that are house n——. You got some elected officials that are house n——. Rather than them try and break this up, they’re gonna fight you to protect that white man.”) Seems that Obama’s close association with racist, anti-American, terrorists and alledged crooks should say something about his character and thus qualifications to be President.
Posted by: April | April 8, 2008, 7:28 pm 7:28 pm
Mary:
You need to take a break. You sound a little delusional and bitter. Please give it a rest, and let others speak.
Posted by: Phil | April 8, 2008, 7:34 pm 7:34 pm
As to experience, seems Obama had a lot of experience in his dealings with Rezco including the million dollar home that Rezco helped Obama purchase being only one example. It is clear that the bulk of the mainstream media is in the tank for Obama as lot of the information about Obama’s ties with Rezco, on trial for corruption, are not being told to the public. If you want to keep up to date on the Rezco trial and Obama’s involvement with Rezco go to //www.rezkorama.com/ There is a lot the mainstream media is not telling you.
Posted by: Catlin | April 8, 2008, 7:44 pm 7:44 pm
Carolina, that guy who wanted obama’s photo was acting like a weird man who had something in his pocket, he was weird, weird, weird and the average citizen would have cussed him to no end if he would have gotten that close and cut in front of kids to spout on about nonsense that nobody is buying. Good for obama to tell that man his game was getting old, silly of you to bring this up when most of the media agreed that this guy could have poised a danger to obama.
Posted by: Lynette | April 8, 2008, 7:55 pm 7:55 pm
Experience matters…Bush has proved that! Obama is not ready for the White House with his bare two years in the U.S. Senate. Also, his claim of being against the war from the beginning was made when he had nothing to lose…he wasn’t in national politics and he has since said that he didn’t know how he would have voted had he been.
Posted by: Two-cats | April 8, 2008, 8:04 pm 8:04 pm
april, are you black if not it’s a good thing someone isn’t close enough to thump you silly head, if you are vote for obama and take advantage of his college tuition credit. Timothy mcvey is the only American terrorist in our history and to compare a us senator to him is disgraceful of you. Spread some love not all that hate. Nobody is buying that parinoid 1940′s crap in 2008, not this time.
Posted by: lynette | April 8, 2008, 8:07 pm 8:07 pm
joy, I hope you were born here, or you better hope you or your friends and family are not here on a pass, because republicans would like you to return to your respective countries , so good for you to vote for mccain in the fall, just let us know when you receive your “get the hell” out letter.
Posted by: lynette | April 8, 2008, 8:17 pm 8:17 pm
michelle obama’s thesis:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8642.html
Posted by: zann | April 8, 2008, 8:30 pm 8:30 pm
mary you are a bitter woman just like your role model are you telling me as a woman i should teach my daughter it’s okay to be a a fool because you are a girl come on now you claim you part black well tell me what you would have done if you caught your husband disrespecting you?sweetie obama get’s my vote because i can refuse to be misled.misheard,misspoke.i got to get back to work because mary you must not have a job
Posted by: monica | April 8, 2008, 9:03 pm 9:03 pm
KO Texas, I got my job as executive assistant with get this…… NO EXPERIANCE! Also, I was told they decided to go with me because I was much “warmer” and “friendlier” then the pervious candidate that had 15 yrs experiance. They felt I would mesh better in the office and be able to work better with my co-workers…after 3 yrs.. (and still there!)I think they made the right choice!
Posted by: Michelle | April 8, 2008, 11:01 pm 11:01 pm
Ayers? Rezko? Wright? Quadaffi? and whatever else comes out of the Republicans’ documentary on Obama due out this summer????
Obama will sink like a stone.
Posted by: Veronica in CA | April 9, 2008, 12:15 am 12:15 am
Ayers? Rezko? Wright? Quadaffi? and whatever else comes out of the Republicans’ documentary on Obama due out this summer????
Obama will sink like a stone.
Michelle, who just posted… your job is just a bit different from that of the leader of the free world, don’t you think?
Posted by: Veronica in CA | April 9, 2008, 12:16 am 12:16 am
Selecting Obama is a set up by the Republican.
With Pastor Wright God Damn America, Rezko, Gadafhi, Farakhan and Obama’s no record will come back in November.
Repubican are scared of Hillary.
They want Obama, they know they can beat him.
Hillary 08!!
Posted by: JT | April 9, 2008, 12:47 am 12:47 am
Who wants a washed out old woman for president. What if there is some crisis and she is suffering from PMS or some other feminine thing. No, we need a man in the White House.
Posted by: jbate | April 9, 2008, 1:30 am 1:30 am
Yes there is a Horserace here in Penna. Hillary with her 35 years of combat experience, most recently her heroics in Bosnia, has all the Horses coming to her rescue. As usual Mr. Ed & Mayor Nutter have come out to take Lil Hillary by the hand, spoon fed her, and lead her around to the fund raisers which she enjoys very much.
Senator Obama has been going at it alone. No small task since the The Old Guard Demos mounted a 26 point lead for Hillary when Obama came to town. He has shown us here in Pa. that he is willing to do it the American Way. He works for it.
Hillary Horses have been trained well as they sing many songs of praise for her. However, it becomes quite clear which part of the Horse this talk is coming from. That’s no BS…..
Posted by: Fool me | April 9, 2008, 3:30 am 3:30 am
the guy is smooth talker…raising Cap gains to almost 40% is suicide with this economy on a fine thread….
Drivers licenses for illegals…….free free free programs …….and ending this war? Whos kidding who? The folks BIGGER than him or building a embassy bigger than the Vatican….also a airbase bigger than Langley.
its all smoke & mirrors…..Nobody listened to Ron Paul even though he was 100% right on the money.
Posted by: dave | April 9, 2008, 3:31 am 3:31 am
Why ABC is not reporting on Obama’s “great experience as a civil rights lawyer? http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-obamalegal6apr06,1,5511037.story
Posted by: libre | April 9, 2008, 5:29 am 5:29 am
I cannot believe this is a question in the filling of the most powerful job in the world. Of course it matters! Ever work for a boss with no experience in the field? Horrible experience, dangerous experience and frustrating and time consuming with an unnecesarily long learning curve. Would anyone put in a V.P. of Engineering with no engineering experience? Would anyone put in a V.P. of IT with no IT experience? Would anyone go to a doctor with no medical training? But lets put in charge of the red button -nuclear destruction of the world, the world economy, foreign policy, our children’s future a naive inexperienced person. Come on folks – wake up. Look where moron Bush got us- major trouble we cannot get out of. Don’t vote so stupidly again.
Posted by: this election counts | April 9, 2008, 10:17 am 10:17 am
Of course. You mean you will hire a president who does not have experience and needs to be trained just like W Bush. Enough is enough. The president we need is someone who can bring back the prosperous years during the Clintons’s time and that is Hillary going forward.
Posted by: Alfredo | April 9, 2008, 1:29 pm 1:29 pm
In January, an article like this would spark debate over the value of experience. But now in April, the article is a piece of comedy.
The article gives the reader a bemused look at who the writer is voting for. Everytime they put out tapdanced pieces like this, its actually about the CORRUPT writer stumping for their candidate.
This article is an obvious Obama piece. The guy deep throats Obama so much that the piece is a form of comedy.
Of course experience matters. Always has. Doesnt mean the most experienced guy wins. But the guy who does win DOES have some experience.
The guy uses Carter and Bush? Carter had been govenor of Gerogia. Al Gore was a vice president. Bush a texas govenor. His dad had also been president.
Obama is ummm………..what?
And yes, as others have pointed out, how good a prez did Carter and Bush jr turn out to be?
So we can also surmize Obama will be even WORSE .
Lol.
Posted by: tomdavie | April 9, 2008, 5:30 pm 5:30 pm
All I’ve got to say is the more I read the hateful, distorted, spiteful posts of the rabid Clinton supporters, the happier I am that Obama will be the Democratic nominee and next POTUS. Just look at the success Obama has had, financially, politically, and from a personnel perspective, running his campaign (compared to the trainwreck that is the Clinton’s), and you’ll see why he’ll make a vastly better president than she ever could.
Posted by: greg | April 9, 2008, 9:55 pm 9:55 pm
Sorry “Veronica in CA”, Americans definitely agree that Obama will be the tougher opponent for McCain.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/105904/Dems-Reps-Agree-Obama-Tougher-Opponent-McCain.aspx
Posted by: ennui | April 10, 2008, 6:41 pm 6:41 pm
WHY SHOULD THE USA VOTE A BLACK PERSON FOR PRESIDENT TO BEGIN WITH. WE NEVER HAD ONE IN THERE YET. SO LETS SEE, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?? IT MEANS THAT THEY ARE WORTHLESS AND MEANINGLESS. THEY WILL DO NOTHING FOR OUR COUNTRY EXCEPT BRING MORE INTO THE WHITE HOUSE AND THE GOVERNMENT AND EVERYTHING. WE DONT NEED THEM IN THERE. THERE IS ENOUGH THAT THEY ARE RUINING NOW IN THIS WORLD. THE WHITE POPULATION IS GOING DOWN TO SHREADS, IN THE NEXT TEN YEARS THE WHITE POPULATION IS GOING TO BE NOTHING. BECAUSE THE CHILDREN OF THE WORLD BY THEN ARE GOING TO BE MIX BREEDS. PATHETIC ISNT IT. AND GUESS WHAT THE WHITE MAN WONT STAND UP TO THEM, BECAUSE THE BLACK MAN YELLS RACISM. BUT IT IS OKAY FOR THE BLACK TO DO ALL THIS SH*T TO THE WHITE AND NOTHING IS SUPPOSE TO BE SAID. WANNA KNOW WHY, BECAUSE THE BLACK WILL CALL IT RACISM. IF ANYONE IS RACIST IT IS THE BLACKS, NOT THE WHITES. WE JUST KNOW HOW AND WHAT THEY ARE ABOUT. AND THAT IS NOTHING BUT TROUBLE, ASSAULT, DRUGS, AND THEY ARE WORTHLESS HUMAN BEINGS. NOTHING GOOD TO BRING TO THIS WORLD AT ALL. THE AFICANS OVER IN AFRICE DONT CONSIDER THE BLACKS OVER HERE IN THE USA AFRICAN AMERICANS, THE AFRICANS CALL THE BLACKS OVER HERE N*GGERS. THAT IS WHAT THE ARIFICANS CONSIDER THEM. THE AFRICANS DONT EVEN LIKE THE BLACKS OVER HERE AT ALL BECAUSE OF HOW AND WHAT THEY ARE ALL ABOUT. SO WHY VOTE FOR A BLACK PERSON TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT, THAT I WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND.
Posted by: goonies | May 12, 2008, 4:58 pm 4:58 pm
OBAMA HAS RUN HIS ENTIRE CAMPAIGN ON LIES!
WILL WRIGHT SPEW “GOD DAMN AMERICA” FROM OUR WHITE HOUSE?
What is the most important “right” granted to U.S. citizens? THE RIGHT TO VOTE!!!
A GROUP OF “POLITICIANS” (including Obama) ARE TAKING IT AWAY FROM MILLIONS OF AMERICAN CITIZENS IN FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN!!!
WE NEED TO COUNT THE “PEOPLE’S VOTES” — NOT THE “DELEGATES”.
IF OUR REPRESENTATIVES DON’T LISTEN TO US — WE NEED TO VOTE THEM OUT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
WE DON’T NEED A RADICAL, ANTI-AMERICAN IN OUR HIGHEST OFFICE. OBAMA HAS TOLD TOO MANY LIES. He has too many anti-Jewish, Anti-white, Anti-American and terrorist friends and associates.
HILLARY 2008.
Posted by: REPLACE CONGRESS! | May 27, 2008, 9:57 am 9:57 am
If you want to talk about corruption, let’s talk about the all the corruption that has gone on under the Bush administration. The war – the illegal judge appointments- the banking irregularities under McBush’s friend “Sen. Graham.” On and on….
The media manipulates our conceptions of each other so much. Usually, the images you see on TV about blacks are thuggish or you see them being carried away in handcuffs, so when you see a Barack and Michelle you don’t know how to relate to them. You feel like they can’t be normal or they must be hiding something….Not True!
I believe the media and the Republicans are INSTIGATING this so-called split between Hillary and Obama camps and tapping into our inner feeling about race and racism.
Look Barack won and I personally don’t want 4 more years of a Republican rule. Can’t we agree to disagree and get the Republicans out of the White House????
Posted by: y.sister | August 25, 2008, 6:37 pm 6:37 pm