From the Fact Check Desk: Former President Bill Clinton’s Defense of His Wife’s Bosnia Sniper-Fire Story

Please. Does anybody fall for this lame excuse that she told the story wrong because she was sleep deprived? She told that story on other occasions before the alleged sleep deprivation. How do you cover up a lie? With more lies.

I think it’s rather curious that you are discrediting the portions that you can and not giving Clinton credit for things that are obviously true – statements made by Wes Clark and the like.
It’s not like she lied completely about her ever going to Bosnia. The only thing wrong was her lying/”misspeaking” about how she arrived. Ya know, She actually did have duties in Bosnia

BLACK DUDE FOR CLINTON AND AGAINST OBAMA….
In the past I have voted for individuals I did not support. I was a Bradley fan. I was a Dean fan. I was somewhat undecided in 1992, but I supported Jesse during both of his runs. I did not vote for Clinton in 1996 because I was angry with welfare reform. I am able to separate the two Clintons, however. A woman is not an extension of her husband.
In the past, I was able to vote for the winning nominee, because the campaigns were not so nasty, hateful, and unfair. Although Bradley lost, the media did not really portray him in horrendous terms. Dean, I concede, received a lot of awful and unfair press. The Dean Scream was a complete media invention, and it slandered a great candidate. I was angry with the Democrats for falling for this madness. I saw a Karl Rove conspiracy; the Republicans said they preferred Dean, and the Democrats and the “liberal” media fell for it. Now, the Republicans say they want Clinton, and the media and the Democrats have fallen for it. The difference, however, is one of degree. The media and Obama’s supporters have portrayed Clinton in completely unflattering terms, but she maintains a large volume of supporters. I think this shows how strong a candidate she actually is. On some level Bradley was flat, and Dean was a little “sporadic.” But Clinton is a pretty straight shooter. The media, however, have done nothing but seek bad news about her. Even recently, they rushed a story calling her a “liar” concerning a campaign story that portrayed an uninsured woman’s plight with health care. Although Clinton never mentioned the woman’s or the hospital’s name, a particular hospital denied the story — and without even verifying anything, the headlines portrayed her as lying – “yet again.” Turns out, the woman had several hospital visits and indeed was refused care by another hospital due to lack of insurance and $100. The woman’s family and the sheriff who told Clinton the story have confirmed its validity. Rather than seeking to validate the truth, the media rushed to brand her a liar.
Things like this have happened throughout the campaign. Obama’s “lies” and “distortions” receive very little attention. This is patently unfair. The Democrats are supposed to be “fair.” Because they are not — I refuse to support them anymore (add Florida and Michigan to this analysis — and my opinion becomes even more forceful). The lack of fairness contradicts everthing the party claims to support, including the “narrative” advanced by Obama and his supporters. He is a “dignified” and “righteous” individual — getting success in large part based on the most vitriolic sexism I have seen in US political history. If Democrats do not take a stand against this, then who will? If Democrats do not take a stand against this, then why are we any better than the Republicans?
As a civil rights activist, I cannot endorse a party that embraces sexism, that portrays a black man as the “post-racial” answer to their guilt, and that dismisses poor voters and Latinos as universally racist, uneducated and therefore lacking judgment. I refuse to support a party that views lifetime involvement with the Democratic party negatively — as presenting “more of the same.” I refuse to vote for a party that devalues the wisdom of an older generation of voters who have spent their entire lives trying to make change: saying they are “stuck in the past” is childish and petty. Obama and his followers have all said these things. But these are not my values. So, denying Obama my vote is not about being a “sore loser”; instead, it is a principled decision based on a lifetime of work.
Proud Democratic Defector

I agree with the previous poster. ou swallow Pbama’s story about not being in the pews that DAY, like it was once, when his pastor of 20 years, damns America, blames the US governement for AIDS and the 9/11 attacks etc.
You believe that! That’s ok, but you parse Clintons story of landing in a war zone, which it was, to visit US troops which she did.
DOes the term swiftboat mean anything to you. Your like republicans attacking Kerry for being a war hero while supporting a draft dodger.
Obama is lying about his racist, America hating church that he’s supported for 20 years. The republicans are going to make sure everyone knows all about when Obama was in church and when he wasn’t, what functions he was at and what money he gave to whom.
Obama is lying about something repulsive and unpatriotic, something that occured as recently as this Feb. Clinton is remember visiting troops 14 years ago!!
Visiting troops Jake. She was visiting troops. Get it! that’s a good thing. Visiting US troops.
Not like supporting a radical anti-American, white hating, Farakhan and ghadafi supporting church for 20 years!

Man o man… they are certainly an amazing couple, aren’t they? And so totally shameless… for it can’t be Bill’s inexperience about telling lies. It truly seems they simply don’t care that they are piling lie upon lie. I’m flabbergasted. It’s hard to imagine that they would even expect a short term positive effect… Well, I guess it’s just too weird for words, certainly in these fact-check times.
And what a portrait of a Presidential couple they make… Amazing. How could there ever be a good reason to actually believe what these two want us to believe?
It’s a great text, Jake, with the pretty devastating comments in the footnotes.
But the most amazing Bill & Hillary text
I read today is where she had to respond to a question (that could have been foreseen, I’d say) about Bill as a 800,000 dollar lobbyist on behalf of the Colombia free trade agreement. It is a horrifying read… Everytime I think this MUST her final disqualification, but Hillary supporters apparently don’t mind or think she does it all very well. Anyway, this that beautiful little text:
“Asked by CNN if those earnings represented a conflict of interest given that she has dipped into her family’s pocketbook to pay campaign bills, Clinton threw up her hands and laughed loudly for several seconds.
“How many angels dance on the head of the pin?,” she responded, continuing to giggle. “I have really, uh, nothing to … I mean, how do you answer that?”
Ladies and Gentlemen, the next President of the United States???

Bill, Bill, Bill. I swear, he’s going to end up costing Hillary this election. All he does is bring this story back up to being news again, and worse, he adds to the lies and does so not once, but twice!
This was a guy that was supposed to be the consumate politician, but he’s making rookie mistakes here.
Bill makes me feel sorry for Hillary. He just does.

Hasn’t this man done enough to her already? She’s a big girl, Mr. President, and she can fight her own battles – whether real or imaginary.
Seriously, this issue was dead and he resurrects it for no reason! She’s already mocked herself on Leno for it. Can’t he concede this mistake? If she wins the nomination then they really are going to need to put a lid on him before the Republicans get him talking even more.

I see no anger in Tony’s last comment. He offers something that very few Obama supporters seem to omit in their comments — honest and compelling reasons why he supports Clinton and not Obama. Instead of denigrating his comments, why don’t you bring something constructive to the table yourself?

Well I guess the internets make these sort of situational ethics more difficult.
Bill42, is apparently Old and, does not understand this.

“Obama has won”
If so, then why are you still here so fervently trying to tell us that Clinton can’t win? Because that’s right, he HASN’T won.
Obama can’t close the deal!
[Enter TCG to tell me how her winning is virtually impossible...]

She also said very specifically that Sinbad was wrong.
Hillary’s Balkan Adventures, Part II
March 21, 2008
According to Sinbad, who provided entertainment on the trip along with the singer Sheryl Crow, the “scariest” part was deciding where to eat. As he told Mary Ann Akers of The Post, “I think the only ‘red-phone’ moment was: ‘Do we eat here or at the next place.’” Sinbad questioned the premise behind the Clinton version of events. “What kind of president would say ‘Hey man, I can’t go ’cause I might get shot so I’m going to send my wife. Oh, and take a guitar player and a comedian with you.”
Replying to Sinbad earlier this week, Clinton dismissed him as “a comedian.” Her campaign referred me to Togo West, who was also on the trip and is a staunch Hillary supporter. West could not remember “sniper fire” himself, but said there was no reason to doubt the First Lady’s version of events. “Everybody’s perceptions are different,” he told me.
Clinton made no mention of “sniper fire” in her autobiography “Living History,” published in 2003, although she did say there were “reports of snipers” in the hills around the airport.

What I dislike so very much is that tell lies and fake stories to their supporters who come out and take pains to see and hear them. I mean, say occasionally lying to the press is bad in the end as well for a politician, but telling lies (and for no good reason!) to your supporters who trust you is really a different thing. It is shocking and confusing IMO, for the Clintons really start to look like ‘pathological’ liars who simply don’t WANT to be trusted. And that is food for psychologists. It’s beyond me to understand Bill reanimating this so damaging story… how CAN he do it? – other than because the pathological addiction to lies?
For the fans of Bill Clinton btw there’s an interesting story at the Politico site: ‘Taxpayers fund Bill Clinton spending’.

Obama, if he gets the nomination, will be ripped to shreds by the republicans. The little bit we know about this man is frightening. He is associated with extremists- you might call them “black supremacists.” The republicans will make sure this will never happen.

Bill and Hillary are narcissistic idiots! She lied. And her hectic schedule and being tired had nothing to do with it. Being busy and tired does not lead to an in-depth tale about something that didn’t even remotely happen. Her tale was bizarre! Why doesnLiz’t he let the subject drop? If all we want is another liar, let’s draft Cheney!

@Rev. Truth:
Are you so familiar with black culture that you can say that any black man or woman isn’t associated with “black supremacists”?
I think the Republicans hit this issue but they have to watch their backs because McCain doesn’t distance himself from the “white supremacists” very much. He is not the same man I would have voted for in 2000 and has been playing footsies with Bush/Cheney. He is desperately trying to steal the mantra of “doing anything to get elected.”

LOM
Just passing by. But It True, math don’t favor Hills!
Hills can’t win an above the belt fight for the delegates. But if you and Hills wanna go below the belt, that’s up to you. It may lead to victory; may lead to ruin as well.
Enjoy.

Sadly this stupid inane story is taking away from her REAL experience and most importantly KNOWLEDGE about the issues AND her long accomplishments and QUALIFICATIONS for the people of NY, Arkansas and this country. You are all saps on ABCNEWS who focus on such nonsense!
Hillary will have the last laugh!

You know what is hilarious about this whole election? I am a democrat that has to get my news from FOX News. Isn’t that sad. MSNBC CNN and most columnist have been in the tank for Obama throughout this thing and its so sickening. Who would have ever thought that FOX News would actually live up to the name, “fair and balanced” You should write about that Jake.

TCG — You are absolutely right, it isn’t rocket science. Keep working your spin machine though…you might be able to convince someone here that operating by your convoluted rules is OK.
“These superdelegates have the right to vote their conscience and who they think would be the better president”
– Nancy Pelosi, April 1, 2008
“They should use whatever yardstick they want, that’s what the rules provide for.”
– Howard Dean, April 2, 2008

LOL. If Hillary can “kneecap” Obama then he will never be able to take on McCain. McCain may act like he is going to be “respectable” but trust me, Obama will fold like a lawn chair when he feels the RNC coming down on him. Hillary should go for the throat or the knees so that we get to see if Obama can take it or is he just another far left cry baby. So far, from seeing all the race cards he’s played I would say he’s a cry baby but I guess thats just my opinion.

ABC news does it again. Congratulations for a wonderfully reported story. It is so clear that you are not picking sides, and are reporting clearly, and fairly. You as an organization would never try to influence an election with reporting that was slanted. I am so glad I can trust you with my news. While you are at it, Please don’t bother looking into any of the questions posted frequently on these blogs about Obama’s associations. No, we are all completely convinced, Clinton is evil and Obama is spotless…
What a friggin joke.

LOM
We are in agreement. Hills has to burn down her own house to win. She may decide to do this. It is her choice.
But it is her choice because the MATH will not work for her…

CNL,
Thanks for Maya Angelou. I loved it.

CNL,
I give you an A+.
Thanks.

Kevin,
I understand your feelings. But why continue visiting these blogs? Here is all the nasty stuff indeed; just read the quality newspapers and it ain’t all that bad. No need to blame the DNC I’d think for the folks misbehaving so badly here and elsewhere.
Best thing to do: go out there and help a candidate’s campaign. Meet people, listen to their stories, share the enthusiasm etc. That’s where elections are about. Get some fresh air!

LOM Say “LIES, LIES, LIES.”
But, seriously coming a HillaryFan this is a compliment toward Obama.
Everytime a HillaryFan calls Obama a liar, the Obama-ite should sheepishly say thanks.

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February 12, 2009
MR. RUSSERT: Will you serve your four-year term as President of the United States?
PRES. OBAMA: Absolutely.
MR. RUSSERT: So you will not run for the newly established Ruler of the Universe in 2010?
Pres. OBAMA: I will not.
December 1, 2009
After serving less than one year in the White House, President Obama announces his candidacy for Ruler of the Universe, leaving a nation stung by a deep feeling of abandonment, much like the hurt felt by the people of Illinois back in 2008.
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WHO is power hungry and has his own agenda?!

Cassandra, why do you always question Hillary and Bill’s motives when they have never been proven to have done anything wrong? Its not like reporters haven’t been looking? Why do you call her a liar when you have no idea if she’s lying? If you would take you Obama blinders off you would see that all politicians have enemies and those enemies accuse people of wrong doing no matter if they can prove it or not. When you “Assume” you make an “Ass” out of “U” and “me”

The sniper story is a big nothing. She visited the troops in a war zone. There is dispute as to whether she was in danger. At most she embelllished as politicans invariably do. Does this mean she will be a bad president? Politicians by nature take credit for almost everything and stretch their record. Pick any politician on any level of government in America and you will find this. Gore invented the internet, but da.. wasn’t it a shame for this country he wasn’t elected president? It was a missed opportunity of tragic proportions thnaks to brother Jeb.

Mrs. Clinton embellished to make her experience more exciting. This is common and normally harmless. There are consequences for lying and she has accepted them. No harm was done, but it discredits the individual. I wonder if loyal friends and supporters really care and would it affect their vote? My guess is probably not.

One can understand all these frustrated hillary supporters and their whining and crying. Its not easy when all these folks hoped to see was Americans just closing thier eyes and voting for that lying woman and her cheating husband Bill. They did not expect that Americans have become smarter not to fall for the same old lies of the Clintons.
Hillary is not only phony, she is totally inefficient. She can’t even run a smooth campaign, all the time, some problem or the other, her campaign is in deep sh*t. How on earth she is going to straighten the economy when her own economy is now in crisis. All these 35 yrs of cooked up experience is no use folks. She is no leader, only a liar! She is a good for nothing, but a whining and complaining woman. She brings shame to all good women. I would never allow her to run even the Dunkin Donuts around the street corner.

IF THE CLINTONS STORY IS TRUE, WHY DID THEY SEND THEIR 15 YEAR OLD DAUGHTER IN COMBAT ZONE, UNDER SNIPER FIRE??????
ANY TRUE MOTHER CAN DO THAT ISN’T IT?

@linda | Apr 10, 2008 11:54:31 PM:
So, can McCain count on your vote in the general election if Clinton is the nominee?

Obama does not run his campaign. David Axelrod runs it. All you have to do is look at the campaign Awxelrod put together for Duval Patrick in Mass. Same theme. Same slogans. Same speeches. Its not like Obama is an original. He is just benefiting on the ideas of David Axelrod. Hell I would vote for Axelrod if he was running. But I won’t vote for Obama. Nothing substantiate there.

Once and for all, it’s not about bills sex life!! It’s about his judgement and hillary’s as well. Just as Nero fiddled while Rome burned, Bill piddled while we were being attacked and undermined by Osama and the boys.

I am amazed at the sheer audacity of the Clinton supporters on here…..Do you really just “like” their lying??….I used to think that you were all “paid” plants……but you cant be (because Hillary’s campaign doesnt have any money)…..soooo….why not really say whats on your mind……on why YOU wont vote for Obama :)……Oh…by the way…..does being the wife of the President really qualify you for the most powerfull position on the earth?…..does the President’s dog get an ambassadorship as well?

Actually Hopesprings, yes, Hillary’s lying tendencies does mean she would be a bad president. We just had one who lied & took us to a war that is costing us thousands of human lives and billions of dollars, untold damage to our international standing, and ruining the economy. Then look at the infamy Bill brought on us at the end of his presidency because of his lying. We can’t have another habitual liar in the White House. If someone just told a little white lie I’d be willing to overlook it. This couple however, have a very real difficulty telling the truth at anytime.

Clinton will win.
When any of you actually want to talk about the issues, you will come to this conclusion.

LiarLiar.
So your saying that Hillary compares with a dog? Huh, for someone that supports “the new kind of politics” that doesn’t sound to uplifting. Everyone here knows that when it comes to issues, Hillary is out front on everyone of them. Obama likes to play this “me too” game and no one calls him on it. Anyway. Hope you get on the same page as your candidate. LOL. We all know that politics is suppose to be rough, who is Obama kidding.

Amen NYLADY I couldn’t have said it better myself

Hillary supporters have a way of not owning responsibility and blaming Relublicans. They will throw in all these nasty things at Obama and then say, “you know what, we are not asking but Republicans will be saying this and that…”
Come on kids. This is an old Mark Penn trick. He has packed up and gone to Columbia to do business for Bill Clinton. Try something else on Obama’s campaign which is going very strong and healthy…Kicking ass as they say!

Why pointing Clinton’s 8 mistakes and not mention the many mistake by Obama? Obama is a politician like the other politicians, but his first lie was that he was not like other politicians and that it was time to change Washington. Obama’s supporters do not want him judge by what his surrogate say or do, but at any chance they use President Clinton actions past and present, Ferraro’s comments or any headline invented by ABC to gang on Sen. Clinton.

Dude, Hillary Clinton is not even close to being comparable with Laura Bush. Hillary is accomplished in so many ways. She is a Senator from New York that sits on The Arms Services committee. Even Obama people know that she’s about as strong and as intelligent a woman that has ever been in politics. How could anyone doubt that she could be President? Only sexist people would think that way. And I would hope that a democrat wouldn’t try to belittle a woman with her background and knowledge. Hell, anyone that doesn’t think that Bill Clinton didn’t involve his wife in his politics is crazy. She is the best candidate in this race based on her knowledge of a range of issues. Thats how I became a supporter after Edwards dropped out. I sat down to watch the first debate that Edwards wasn’t involved in and after seeing her answer every question with vast knowledge on every subject, I was sold. Actually I thought to myself, “why did I support Edwards?” after watching her in that debate. Been sold ever since. If people would base their decission on things that matter instead of making it a popularity contest, Hillary would be ahead. Actually if the media didn’t fawn over Obama daily I think she would be ahead. The story shouldn’t be that Obama is ahead, it should be that Hillary is still in this despite Obama outspending her and the media bashing her daily. Anyone that says that media has been fair in this election is kidding themselves.

A first lady gets much more experience in government matters that a low associate in a law firm. Obama lied about his experience as a civil rights lawyer, he handle only one case to promote voters registration, the rest of his experience is research and pushing memos.

why tangling with on this story? To compare with Obama’s pastor story, which is worse?? Obama followed his pastor for 20 years, he had good sleep, he had enough time thinking throughly. Still, how huge mistake he made???

Obama misspoke about when his own parents met, just for campaign glamour.

No wonder they raked in $109m, all those involved are expecting a handout if she becomes Pres. That’s how those two operate.

Please don’t forget that Bill Clinton was regarded as the first black president by Toni Morrison,so Bill Clinton’s lies have to be regarded as Black/White lies,it couldn’t be white lies only – just to let you know he is a professor of lies!!!

Harley,
People like you are why others like me….will take integrity (McCain)…..over I’ll say whatever “makes you feel better to get elected” Clinton….any day

Dude. Obama supporters have done pissed a lot of people off and they aren’t coming back. I’m willing to give him a shot if Hillary doesn’t make it but even as a hardcore Democrat, I’m finding it harder and harder to even think about voting for Obama.
Obama carpetbagged too. Let’s be real here. They both had help getting where they got. Now it’s time to think about who could actually WIN this election. I think it’s Hillary but you think its Obama. After the primaries we’ll know but for now there is no reason to bash each other’s supporters just for being for the other candidate. I fight with idiots on here when the provoke but really don’t care for that. I guess we’ll agree to disagree.

Liar Liar. Where are you from?

Jake, I really appreciate you calling him on stuff like this. That man (Clinton) is no more credible than the people who write for the National Enquirer. He is a joke, and his wife seems to be cut from much the same mold.

I watch sen clinton state the facts as she knew it about her arrival into bosnia,and to turn around and see her stroll off the plane as if she were in a parade,with her daughter,and greet a litle girl, there is no way she misspoke, she out and out lied, than there is the lie she told about her daughter jogging around the world trade center when the planes went into the side of it, and later her daugther side although she was jogging she was many blocks away from the site, or how about her lie here in Memphis where she stated she met Martin Luhter King when she was 14,and he walked up to her and said hello, she never said what state or how she came to be so close to him, if she means Chicago it did not happen, and i can’t see anytime in her childhook where she meet the man. Now she has changed her thoughs on troop withdrawal, now she wants them to have a week at home with their families for every month they have been away, when she first stated she would bring them home within 60 days of her first term, when does the lies stop? Sen Clinton is a bald-face- liar, and the truth is not in her, besides we don’t want to see Bill Clinton sleep his way through the white house for a second four years…

liarliar Do you actually read the article or anything before you post your sensless opinions?

Obama is dividing the democrat party. all his supporters are viciously attacking one of the best Democrat presidents of all times and the best President in the last 30 years. They attack Sen. Clinton one of the most influential democrats in the country, they attack Geraldine Ferraro, an icon for women breakthrough in politics. If Obama gets the nomination, the Republicans will continue in the White House. Obama is not representative of Democrats, he is its enemy.

Do we hate the truth? Can we listen for ourselves and think for ourselves (do your own fact finding, make your own decision)or are we so use to lies; that it is acceptable. America does need change! Our society has been dumbed down so much that anything goes and everything is acceptable. If we really want to make a difference VOTE. Don’t vote you party line, race, or gender; VOTE for the one that can really make changes without lying his/her way into the White House. we’ve already had eight years of that and some of us still don’t see anything wrong. Haven’t we lost enough here and aboard? We are responsible … they need our vote. Ask yourself … were do I want to be in five yrs. Welfare, Unemployeed, Homeless???? Riding a bike 25 miles to wrong cause gas prices are too high. let’s focus on what’s important.

Lets see what ABC does with the article and all this money being throw at Obama, am sure they know that who pays the piper calls the tune.
They will all want payback eventually, am happy this is coming just another side of Obama that people need to know, all this talk about him being a grass root man, a man for the people sure does not look so after seeing this list of money men.

Definitely Common Sense: Just what kind of news flash do you think you have come across. Bundling is done by all three candidates and is reported monthly on http://www.fec.gov or you can go to http://www.opensecrets.org as well, where you will find that 32% of Obama’s campaign funds come from $2300+ donor’s, 51% of Clinton’s come from $2300+ donor’s and 46% of McCains from $2300+. Been posted since the start of the campaign. Go dig for something else.

I am yet to see and news story on the students in the Gaza strip that are soliciting fund for Obama’s campaign, what I would like to know is how they got phone numbers of persons in the US, and where they are calling.
The media needs to run a check on what is going on there and not leave it up to Al Jeezera to print this information

At this point, we have more than enough information to make an informed decision on who will be the better democratic presidential candidate for the country. The truth is that folks have made up their minds and refuse to change it because they have so much invested in their ideological point of view and the identity that they subscribe to that it would be too painful to them to change. Regardless of what you think or who you agree with, lets make a commitment to change the way we dialog with each other and about each other.

Perhaps we should give more thought to electing Clinton. She just might “misremember” our debt to China, or perhaps our debt to the United Nations, which we don’t pay attention to anyway. She could “misremember” the Pentagon contract to France’s Airbus for replacement of our national air re-fueling fleet, and the loss of 9000+ American jobs, thanks to John McCain.

How long are the Clinton people going to keep acting like Obama is the loser and if the democrats want a chance at winning in November they need to elect Hillary. SHE IS LOSING, SHE IS BEHIND, SHE CAN’T CATCH UP. You can try telling everyone that Obama is losing until you are blue in the face, but that will not change the fact that Hillary is losing. Hillary is the one who the liar. Hillary is the one that as time goes on people get tired of her. Good night..

I can’t believe that this kind of stuff keeps coming up in the race for the Dem nomination. All three candidates running for President have stretched the truth until it hurts…or have tolddown right lies.
Barack is a smooth talker, even more than Slick Willie because he is a good reader of teleprompters. He is like a preacher standing and getting his congregation all worked up, could he have learned this from the Rev. Wright who God damned America and said the Aids viris was being used to try and eradicate the Black race.
Hillary has stretched the truth about her Bosnia sniper fire, and has to defend her-self…even for the things her Husband did. Even Chelsea has got these idiotic questions about Lewinsky coming from college kids that are supposed to be educated, certainly about issues that face our nation.
And what about John Mccain? His changing stance on immigration when he needs the conservative vote, the moderate or the liberal Republican. His misstatements of Iraq & Iran.
Don’t you think these reporters could report the news, instead of explaining it and putting their spin on things as if we are not intelligent enough to think for ourselves. Come on…get real!

Annie I agree that the Bosnia sniper lies by Hillary can be forgiven but for Bill Clinton to justify it with another lies is horrible and very irritating. can you lock him !!!LOL

It is a shame, Obama and Karl Rove’s strategy are swindling the Democrats’ chance to recover the White House.

As a Canadian who loves our neighbours to the south, I feel sorry for all of you… having a saga of an election process. What a huge waste of time and millions of dollars. Just have one election day for the whole country and then let the winner lead for the next 3 years and 364 days? Anyway, good luck with your election and may the best person lead you to better times.

I saw a reporter on Fox that was on the plane with Hillary Clinton the day they landed in Bosnia. He said that the pilot came on the intercom and said that they were landing under sniper fire and they all had to put on bullet proof vests. This was a war zone and was a dangerous area. Luckily when they got on the ground, it had been cleared. All the candidates embelish their stories, to make it more interesting. Also, if you had to tell the same stories over and over, I’m sure yours would change over time. For the people who look at the candidates fairly, this is just a small oops because they “ALL” embelish. If your a Hillary hater, then any minor infraction is major news and another chance to spew hate.

Hillary has been orchestrating her run for prez for 40 years. She’s done a good job at getting what she wants by being calculating, phony, and dishonest to that end. The Clinton machine will stop at nothing to get her elected – in order to try to “fulfill their lover’s pact to each be president”. Such viscious hunger for power is truly frightening. Hillary is a frustrated lady. Unhappy in love and life. All she has is her dream to become president. True … I would NOT want to be within 100 miles of that woman if she loses. Can you imagine 40 years of frustration exploding all at once?
About the “it’s only sex” thing. The demz still harping on that. Bothered because in their opinion .. it was “only a sex thing.” If they would stop to think for one second about it, they would realize that this was an EXTREME case of carelessness on Bubba’s part. He recklessly opened the office of the president to possible blackmail, extortion .. who knows what else. Only A sex thing. Not hardly.

Dave….I hope so… I never thought it would come to this… It’s so hard to see all the hate… I thought we were almost past it all. The media has done a great dis-service to this country. It favored Obama and Spewed hate for Clinton. It should have just reported the facts, the issues and each candidates position, and let the people make up their own mind. The way the media use to do.
I’m so glad you like this country… I’ve done a little traveling in Canada and I think it’s just beautiful… I’d like to do more but I love warm weather, so I usually go south….Again, thanks for your support, it’s good to know we have good friends to the north!

there is no doubt obama would be a better President than mccain…..the problem is, it is impossible for obama to survive the anti-American onslaught from special interest groups that will inevitably take place in the fall……he will perform EXACTLY like john kerry in 2004 and lose, despite being a better candidate…..ONLY SENATOR CLINTON CAN WIN IN NOVEMBER….

ABC News– If I may– I am demanding that ABCNews be fair and balanced!! Why aren’t their stories pointing out Obama’s lies?? He has many. From His parents meeting at Selma, to the Kennedy Connection, to Rezko (donation amounts), lies about Rev Wright (whether or not he was aware of how inflammatory his sermons were).– why arent you covering his connections to Bill Ayers?? His connections to Nation of Islam?? Why is it that it took the mainstream media 12 months to reveal the Rev. Wright sermons when Sean Hannity exposed these in March 2007!! Mainstream media needs to cease it’s love-affair with Obama and instead they need to do their jobs and cover stories as fair as possible. Mainstream media is to blame for the split in the democratic party not the candidate running. Shame on you ABC!!!
America is tired of this Hillary bashing!!!!!!!!

Okay folks. This entire thread has been for the most part about “personal” feelings. The bottom line is that the clintons are just CORRUPT. This is undeniable. From Whitewatergate, to Willam Chen … to Vince Foster To the illegal campaign money. To the tons of pardons as the last presendential act (of course … all upstanding people ). To just lie after lie after lie. Hillary being elected would be very very bad for this country. Bill surely wants Hillary to be elected. He would LOVE the free time. For …. “consentual” relations. Pull your heads out of your . Just THINK about it. How can anyone in their RIGHT mind support this family?????

hi everyone, been out of town on business, in fact in pennsylvania where the whole state is covered up in political commercials. i liked it when i was there, and being a hillary supporter and a staunch democrat, it was nice to see polite politics. no one bashed each other….none of that.
i will say this however, the polls, and all of them, please check for yourselves, show that the only one who can beat mccain is hillary. it is not obama’s time yet. he is up and coming. but after the rev. wright scandal, rattso, and the canadian trade falters, people are looking twice. sure every politican exaggerates, all of them do, but hillary is the one who can step in on day one and do what needs to be done.
obama needs more education, mccain needs a walker.

Geez, in my last text to Annie, I hope I wasn’t misunderstood regarding my reference to some “colorful” people out there! Please know that I was referring to “colorful” in the context of vividly distinctive in character only. Anyway, you don’t need some silly Canadian here, I was only trying to wish all Americans the very best in the future and that you can eventually put the election behind you. It is great that you are all so passionate about your candidates. Most Canadians could care less when an election comes up. You have a great country and I wish only the best. Now, back to minding my own business…

Oh my gosh, you’ve outed a professional politician (Clinton, Obama, McCain) as a liar! I’m shocked, SHOCKED!

i can’t believe some of you folks are still dwelling on bill clinton’s infidelities….were you married to him then…..or now??? or, do you attend church with the rev wright, or rent property to people under the name of rattso???? or would you rather stay in iraq for another ’100′ years……
get with the program….our best years in this country over the last 20 have been with bill clinton, as we were in a surplus, and everyone had a job and was making money…..and spending it on our economy….and keeping a roof over our head at the same time…..look at us now…do we want another 4 years of the bush regime, 4 years of inexperience and rattso, or do we want someone with real american experience…..go hillary

I hate to do this, but I’m so tired of Obama supporters acting like he never mis-speaks or has no faults. His list is just as long maybe longer.
Obama lies
Posted on March 14, 2008 by liamoshea
1995: In his memoir, Obama writes of one of the watershed moments of his racial awareness ¡ª time and again in remarkable detail. It is a story about a Life magazine article that influenced him. The report was about a black man who tried to bleach his skin white. When Obama was told no such article could be found in Life, he says ¡°it might have been Ebony.
He is 9 years old, living in Indonesia, where he and his mother moved with her new husband, Lolo Soetoro, a few years earlier. One day while visiting his mother, who was working at the U.S. Embassy in Jakarta, Obama passed time by looking through several issues of Life magazine. He came across an article that he later would describe as feeling like an ¡°ambush attack.¡±
The article included photos of a black man who had destroyed his skin with powerful chemical lighteners that promised to make him white. Instead, the chemicals had peeled off much of his skin, leaving him sad and scarred, Obama recalled.
¡°I imagine other black children, then and now, undergoing similar moments of revelation,¡± Obama wrote of the magazine photos in ¡°Dreams.¡±
Yet no such photo exists, according to historians at the magazine. No such photos, no such article. When asked about the discrepancy, Obama said in a recent interview, ¡°It might have been an Ebony or it might have been ¡­ who knows what it was?¡± (At the request of the Tribune, archivists at Ebony searched their catalogue of past articles, none of which matched what Obama recalled.)
In fact, it is surprising, based on interviews with more than two dozen people who knew Obama during his nearly four years in Indonesia, that it would take a photograph in a magazine to make him conscious of the fact that some people might treat him differently in part because of the color of his skin.
2003: Barack Obama in 2003, talking to the AFL/CIO:
¡°I happen to be a proponent of single-payer universal healthcare coverage. That¡¯s what I¡¯d like to see.¡±
In January, 2008, Obama claimed in a nationally televised debate:
¡°I never said that we should try to go ahead and get single-payer.¡±
2004: In Obama¡¯s famous DNC Convention speech, Obama says, ¡°My father was a foreign student, born and raised in a small village in Kenya. He grew up herding goats, went to school in a tin-roof shack. His father ¡ª my grandfather ¡ª was a cook, a domestic servant to the British.¡±
Kezia, Obama Sr.¡¯s first wife tells a story that puts Obama¡¯s account to lie.
Kezia said: In 1955 Obama Sr. was 18 and working in an office in Nairobi, when he took Kezia from her family at the age of 16. Her father was furious.
¡°He did not like Obama. My father and brothers came to Nairobi to bring me back. They said I had to go back to school.
¡°When I wouldn¡¯t, they said they would never speak to me again.
¡°Barack was also worried about what his father would think because I was so young, but he gave us his approval. Obama¡¯s father (often described as poor) sent my mother and father 14 cows for my dowry.
Just how can a cook, a domestic servant to the British, provide a dowry of 14 cattle for Senior¡¯s first wife? Also, Obama¡¯s father had been working in a Nairobi office since the age 16, not herding goats.
As an aside, can you imagine if a Republican was running for president and it came out that his father had bought his first wife for 14 cows???!!!Just wow!!
2004: Responding to questions about his intent to serve out the six year senate term, Obama says, in this video, (link removed), that he will not run for the presidency in four years.
Notice: The video has disappeared. Using WayBackMachine¨C both played empty videos ¡ª a lot of stuff is being scrubbed from the web.
Here is what he said in the video:
¡°I think I¡¯ve been very clear. Ah-ah-mumble-mumble, there¡¯s a presidential election in four years. I¡¯m not running for president in four years.¡±
Here is a backup story ¡ª during a meeting with reporters at his Illinois campaign headquarters after his election to the U.S. Senate, he ridiculed as ¡°a silly question¡± whether he would run for president or vice president before his term ends in 2011. ¡°I¡¯ve never worked in Washington,¡± he said. ¡°I can unequivocally say I will not be running for national office in four years, and my entire focus is making sure that I¡¯m the best possible senator on behalf of the people of Illinois.¡±
2004: On July 28th, the day after his speech at the Democratic convention catapulted him into the national spotlight, Barack Obama told a group of reporters in Boston that the United States had an ¡°absolute obligation¡± to remain in Iraq long enough to make it a success.
¡°The failure of the Iraqi state would be a disaster,¡± he said at a lunch sponsored by the Christian Science Monitor, according to an audiotape of the session. ¡°It would dishonor the 900-plus men and women who have already died. . . . It would be a betrayal of the promise that we made to the Iraqi people, and it would be hugely destabilizing from a national security perspective.¡±
In late winter, 2008, on the campaign trail, Obama says he wants to bring the troops home yesterday ¡ª you decide ¡ª was he lying then or is he lying now?
2006: On the January 22nd edition of ¡°Meet the Press,¡± Tim Russert and Obama had the following exchange:
Russert: ¡°When we talked back in November of ¡®04 after your election, I said, ¡®There¡¯s been enormous speculation about your political future. Will you serve your six-year term as United States senator from Illinois?¡¯¡±
Obama: ¡°I will serve out my full six-year term. You know, Tim, if you get asked enough, sooner or later you get weary and you start looking for new ways of saying things. But my thinking has not changed.¡±
Russert: ¡°So you will not run for president or vice president in 2008?¡±
Obama: ¡°I will not.¡±
2007: As another example, consider Obama¡¯s stirring tale for the Selma audience about how he had been conceived by his parents, Barack Obama Sr. and Ann Dunham, because they had been inspired by the fervor following the ¡°Bloody Sunday¡± voting rights demonstration that was commemorated March 4. ¡°There was something stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma, Alabama,¡± he said, ¡°because some folks are willing to march across a bridge. So they got together and Barack Obama Jr. was born. So don¡¯t tell me I don¡¯t have a claim on Selma, Alabama. Don¡¯t tell me I¡¯m not coming home to Selma, Alabama¡±
Obama was born in 1961, and the Selma march occurred four years later, in 1965. The New York Times reported that when the senator was asked about the discrepancy later that day, he clarified: ¡°I meant the whole civil rights movement.¡±
2007: Obama went on to tell his audience that the Kennedys ¡ª Jack and Bobby ¡ª decided to do an airlift. They would bring some young Africans over so that they could be educated and learn all about America. His grandfather heard that call and sent his son, Barack Obama, Sr., to America.
The problem with that scenario is that, having been born in August 1961, the future senator was not conceived until sometime in November 1960. So, if his African grandfather heard words that ¡°sent a shout across oceans,¡± inspiring him to send his goat-herder son to America, it was not Democrat Jack Kennedy he heard, or his brother Bobby, it was Republican President Dwight D. Eisenhower.
Actually, Senior was awarded an American sponsored scholarship in economics to the University of Hawaii at Manoa. He was selected by a former Kenyan cabinet minister, the late Tom Mboya, who was earmarked as the successor to Jomo Kenyatta, Kenya¡¯s first prime minister.
The presumption was that Senior would return to Africa and use his ¡°Western-honed skills in a new Kenya.¡±
2007: On January 24, the Obama campaign released a statement, saying, ¡°To be clear, Senator Obama has never been a Muslim, was not raised a Muslim, and is a committed Christian who attends the United Church of Christ in Chicago.
On March 14th, in a statement to The Times, the Obama campaign offered this statement to correct their previous statement, that appears to be a bold-faced lie:
¡°Obama has never been a practicing Muslim. The statement added that as a child, Obama had spent time in the neighborhood¡¯s Islamic center.¡±
And, the original statement began, ¡°To be clear ¡­¡±
So, in three months, Barrack¡¯s campaign has gone from describing the U.S. presidential hopeful as never having been a Muslim and never having been raised as a Muslim to now never having been a practicing Muslim.
What¡¯s with the semantics? Statements from Obama¡¯s campaign appear to have evolved, to say the least.
2007: On March 25th, the Chicago Tribune reports that an extensive search found no basis for an episode Obama recounts about a picture he ran across in Life magazine of a ¡°black man who had tried to peel off his skin¡± in a failed effort to use chemicals to lighten it. Obama writes that ¡°seeing that article was violent for me, an ambush attack.¡±
The Tribune continued: ¡°Yet no such Life issue exists, according to historians at the magazine. No such photos, no such article. When asked about the discrepancy, Obama said in a recent interview, ¡°It might have been an Ebony or it might have been ¡­ who knows what it was?¡±
At the request of the Tribune, archivists at Ebony searched their catalogue of past articles, none of which matched what Obama recalled.¡±
2007: On March 27th, Obama, tells the crowd at fundraiser , ¡°I was a constitutional law professor, which means unlike the current president I actually respect the Constitution.¡±
For the record, Obama is a ¡°Senior Lecturer (on leave of absence)¡± at the University of Chicago Law School. He has taught Constitutional Law III: Equal Protection and Substantive Due Process, Current Issues in Racism & the Law, and Voting Rights & the Democratic Process.
2007: On May 8th, Obama, caught up in the fervor of a campaign speech Tuesday, drastically overstated the Kansas tornadoes death toll, saying 10,000 had died.
¡°In case you missed it, this week, there was a tragedy in Kansas. Ten thousand people died ¡ª an entire town destroyed,¡± the Democratic presidential candidate said in a speech to 500 people packed into a sweltering Richmond art studio for a fundraiser.
The death toll was 12.
2007: On May 10th, Obama botched his facts in a speech criticizing the U.S. auto industry for ¡°investing in bigger and faster cars while foreign competitors invested in more fuel-efficient technology.¡±
Obama stated that ¡°while our fuel standards haven¡¯t moved from 27.5 miles per gallon in two decades, both China and Japan have surpassed us, with Japanese cars now getting an average of 45 miles to the gallon.¡± But Toyota, which should know, has responded, ¡°No carmaker gets 45 mpg; ours is closer to 30 mpg.¡±
Well, we¡¯re glad to see Obama¡¯s shifting the blame from the consumer to the automakers. That must explain why the Illinois Senator and Presidential candidate owns a HEMI-powered V8 Chrysler 300C.
Obviously it¡¯s Chrysler¡¯s fault Obama bought a big 5.7-liter engine from them ¡ª he just didn¡¯t have a choice.
2007: During his 12 years in politics, Sen. Barack Obama has received nearly three times more campaign cash from indicted businessman, Tony Rezko and his associates, than he has publicly acknowledged, the Chicago Sun-Times has found.
Seven months ago, Obama told the Sun-Times his ¡°best estimate¡± was that Rezko raised ¡°between $50,000 and $60,000¡å during Obama¡¯s political career.
However, Obama has collected at least $168,308 from Rezko and his circle. Additionally, Obama also has taken in an unknown amount of money from people who attended fund-raising events hosted by Rezko since the mid-1990s.
Everything you ever wanted to know about Obama and Rezko.
2007: Responding to criticism of his disrespect of the flag of the United States during the National Anthem, Obama defended himself by saying ¡°My grandfather taught me how to say the Pledge of Allegiance when I was 2.¡±
He didn¡¯t even remember what he was doing on September 17th, when Obama, Hillary and Bill Richardson attended the Steak Fry of Sen. Tom Harkin (D-Iowa) in Indianola, IA.
How can he possibly remember what happened when he was two years old?
2007: On October 6th, Obama accused his fellow American citizens of the indiscriminate murder of Iraqi civilians, saying, ¡°And these private (Blackwater USA) contractors, they go out and they¡¯re spraying bullets and hitting civilians and that makes it more dangerous for our troops.¡±
Obama lies with the same ease as the Clintons and proves that he will say anything to win the nomination and election.
2007: Last fall during a nationally televised presidential debate, Obama hesitantly raised his hand and joined with most of his Democratic rivals to declare that he opposed decriminalizing marijuana. (first video).
But as a candidate for the U.S. Senate four years ago, Mr. Obama told Illinois college students that he supported eliminating criminal penalties for marijuana use or possession, according to a videotape of a little noticed debate that was obtained by The Washington Times.
¡°I think we need to rethink and decriminalize our marijuana laws,¡± Mr. Obama told an audience during a debate at Northwestern University in 2004. ¡°But I¡¯m not somebody who believes in legalization of marijuana.¡± (second video).
Asked about the two different answers, Mr. Obama¡¯s presidential campaign said he in fact has ¡°always¡± supported decriminalizing marijuana as he answered in 2004, meaning the candidate mistakenly raised his hand during the presidential debate last fall.
2007: On the 1st of December, Obama said, ¡°I¡¯m not running because I¡¯m trying to fulfill some long-held plan.¡±
Oh, really?
Iis Darmawan, 63, Obama¡¯s teacher in 1970, remembers him as an exceptionally tall and curly haired child who quickly picked up the local language and had sharp math skills. ¡°He wrote an essay titled, ¡®I Want To Become President,¡¯¡± the teacher said.
In 1971, Obama¡¯s sister Maya, has also said, ¡°There was always a joke between my mom and Barack that he would be the first black president.¡±
In 1991, David B. Wilkins , the Kirkland and Ellis professor of law, said he advised Obama to become a Supreme Court Clerk. ¡°Obama recognized the honor in pursuing that post,¡± Wilkins said, but quickly added that he wasn¡¯t interested.
¡°He said that he wanted to write a book about his life and his father, go back to Chicago, get back into the community, and run for office there. He knew exactly what he wanted and went about getting it done,¡± Wilkins said.
In 1992, Obama¡¯s brother-in-law, Craig Robinson pulled him aside and asked about his plans. ¡°He said, ¡®I think I¡¯d like to teach at some point in time, and maybe run for public office,¡¯¡± recalls Robinson, who assumed Senator Obama meant he¡¯d like to run for city alderman. ¡°He said no ¡ª at some point he¡¯d like to run for the U.S. Senate. And then he said, ¡®Possibly even run for President at some point.¡¯ And I was like, ¡®Okay, but don¡¯t say that to my Aunt Gracie.¡¯ I was protecting him from saying something that might embarrass him.¡±
In 1993, Obama began teaching at the University of Chicago Law School, where he declined to pursue a tenure-track post, hoping to save time for politics.
The one thread, that remains consistent, throughout Obama¡¯s life, is his teacher¡¯s, mentor¡¯s and friend¡¯s recollection of Obama¡¯s single-minded pursuit of high political office.
2007: On December 22nd, in a small-town caf¨¦ in Pleasantville, Omaha, Obama was asked a question that typically only circulates on the Internet.
As he sat down to have a slice of pie with a small group of potential voters and an elderly woman asked him about being Muslim.
¡°I¡¯ve always been a Christian,¡± the Illinois Democrat responded. ¡°I have never practiced [Islam].¡±
Note: The newspaper editors had to add the word, ¡°Islam.¡±
In his autobiography, ¡°Dreams From My Father,¡± Obama mentions studying the Quran. He was enrolled in two Jakarta schools as a Muslim. His teacher Tine Hahiyary said that she remembered that he had studied ¡°mengaji¡± (recitation of the Quran).¡± Classmate Rony Amiris described Obama as being a very devout Muslim, saying, ¡°Barry was previously quite religious in Islam.¡± Another classmate, Emirsyah Satar, now the CEO of Garuda Indonesia, was quoted as saying, ¡°He (Obama) was often in the prayer room wearing a ¡¯sarong.¡¯¡± (See Obama¡¯s Education.)
Yet, on his official campaign website, Obama has posted this statement, ¡°Barack has never been a Muslim or practiced any other faith besides Christianity.¡±
Obama¡¯s grandfather was a Muslim. Obama¡¯s father was a Muslim. Obama¡¯s stepfather was a Muslim. His African relatives are Muslims. What was he for the 27 years before his alleged conversion if he wasn¡¯t a Muslim?
If Obama has always been a Christian, why was he enrolled in two Jakarta schools as a Muslim, and why did he study the Quran?
And note his Clintonesque defense, ¡°I have never practiced.¡±
This is Obama¡¯s biggest problem ¡ª his dissimulation.
Saying, ¡°I¡¯ve always been a Christian,¡± is a bold-faced lie.
2008: On January 22nd, the Hillary Clinton Campaign releases a video that proves that Obama lied about his position on ¡°single-payer healthcare.¡±
The video compares statements Obama made during the January 21st Democratic debate with those he made to an AFL-CIO conference in June 2003 while campaigning for the Senate. Contradicting what Obama said at the debate, the old footage shows the senator saying, ¡°I happen to be a proponent of single-payer universal healthcare coverage. That¡¯s what I¡¯d like to see.¡±
At the debate, Obama stated: ¡°I never said that we should try to go ahead and get single-payer (healthcare).¡±
Single-payer healthcare is an euphemism for socialized medicine.
2008: February ¡ª As Sen. McCain has pointed out, Obama promised to use public funding in the general election if the Republican candidate would do so also. Well, McCain has agreed to it, but now Obama wants to back out of the deal. After all, when he made the promise, he didn¡¯t have a chance of raising more than the public¡¯s $85 million stipend. But now that he can raise $300 million, well, what¡¯s a little untruth between the waited-for one and his people? Yes, he can.
2008: On February 29th, the Obama campaign told Canadian Television (CTV) that no message was passed to the Canadian government suggesting that Obama does not mean what he says about opting out of NAFTA if it is not renegotiated.
However, the Obama camp did not respond to repeated questions from CTV on reports that a conversation on this matter was held between Obama¡¯s senior economic adviser, Austan Goolsbee, and the Canadian Consulate General in Chicago.
Earlier Thursday, the Obama campaign insisted that no conversations have taken place with any of its senior ranks and representatives of the Canadian government on the NAFTA issue. On Thursday night, CTV spoke with Goolsbee, but he refused to say whether he had such a conversation with the Canadian government office in Chicago. He also said he has been told to direct any questions to the campaign headquarters.
CTV didn¡¯t stop there. They announced that their sources, at the highest levels of the Canadian government,¡± reconfirmed the story to CTV and one of their primary sources provided a timeline of the discussion to CTV.
2008: On March 2nd, Obama told another whopper while criticizing Hillary Clinton.
Obama said that Sen. Jay Rockefeller, a fellow Democrat from neighboring West Virginia, had read the intelligence estimate as a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee and after a brief pause said the then-chairman had voted against the war resolution.
However, Rockefeller was not the chair at the time and voted in favor of the war authorization. Sen. Bob Graham of Florida was the intelligence committee chair in 2002 and voted against the resolution. Obama did not mention Graham¡¯s name in the passage.
His exact words are, ¡°She didn¡¯t read the National Intelligence Estimates. Jay Rockefeller read it. But she didn¡¯t read it. I don¡¯t know what all that experience got her because I have enough experience to know that if you have a National Intelligence Estimate and the chairman of the national, um, Senate Intelligence Committee says you should read this, this is why I¡¯m voting against the war, that you should probably read it. I don¡¯t know how much experience you need for that.¡±
Filed under: National Politics | Tagged: Islam, lies, Obams, the real truth

good post and facts annie…..as i said in an earlier post and i quote, all politicians ‘exaggerate, and enhance’ their experience for personal and political gain….after all, this is the country of free speech…
but we must as democrats, look at who is electable, who can run the white house from day one, who can beat mccain, and who has the experience to at least get us half way on track if not all the way……that person is none other than hillary rodham clinton

tommy t….with all due respect sir, you sound like someone who has a problem with a woman being in the white house period, let a lone being ‘in charge’….that is not what running this ocuntry is about. that is the problem with some men….they have to be ‘in charge’…..

Annie probably you’re using abcnews blog to start your writing book career that’s fine with us. But it’s so sad you’ll shield the light away to bring us to darkness about “Clintons”current lies and horrible experiences of 1990′s which is obvious we’re not going back to again let you ride with them must be fun keeping fooling yourself.
Yes.We.Can
Obama ’08

Annie. Annie. Annie. Great accounting of all the lies you can find on Obama. But you, of course are well aware that EVERYBODY lies — icluding me. The difference in what causes one to be labeled a “LIAR” is the reason behind it and the frequency. Bill and Hill are frequent and the reasons behind it are ALWAYS SELF SERVING. If you have more time this morning, you might want to repeat the exercise on yourself. Take some time to list a full accounting of your lies. I am sure you get my point.

A lie is a lie… It doesn’t matter who is telling it, so don’t spew hate at Hillary and say it’s Ok when it’s Barrak. Obama’s list is long and this list is a month old.

I am so over the Clintons and their blatant lies. Has it dawned on anyone that while Bill and Hillary were hanging Mark Penn out to dry for his Columbia meeting, they neglected to mention that Bill by the way supports the Columbia trade deal. Did they just forget the 800 thousand dollars that was paid for his support. Doesn’t that 800 grand belong to Hillary too. This entire family lies as easily as it breathes.
Remember Chelsea was at mother’s side during the sniper fire trip and never said, mom you’re off base.

i would much rather listen to someone ‘lie’ about dodging bullets than listen to someone who sits in a ‘church’ for 20 years listening to someone spewing hatred, racism and anti americanism.

I’d rather listen to somebody that tells the truth, that GD America when she killed innocents like in Vietnam and forget to save the Rwandans in the genocide incident and God Bless America when she helps the needy. I hate to listen to liars with a surname of Clinton.

I’d rather listen to the truth even it hurts than to lies that exalt me, comprende!

It will serve the Clintons better to just shut up for the rest of the elections.
The more they talk, the more they lie and the more they prove their real nature. They just can’t control or help themselves about lies.

Annie ==========================
Can some of you just think like adults for a moment?
Obama has problem with his friends – like many people do.
The clintons have problem with themselves and the truth.
Which of these two problems are lighter?
Obama’s pastor is not running for president. Hillary is.
Some of you are just grasping at every straw you can find.

Carla .. sounds like you’re looking for garbage where it’s not. I don’t have a prob with a woman “in charge” (you seeminly do). I would fully support Condie. You’re like the black man who looks for the racist issue. Capiche?

Q: Why doesn’t Monica want to see a Clinton in office?
A: The last Clinton presidency left a bad taste in her mouth.

to Annie: Oh no, you should reprint the “mile long list of lies” by Barak Obama.
I would like to read that !!!

Someone with a good heart. That would be Hillary Clinton.

Clara… If you page down there are 72 listed under Obama’s Laundry List of Lies

She was exhausted by 11pm, LOL
So much for waking up at 3am

Lol have you read that laundry list of lies? Whoever posted that should be embarrassed that they used that as evidence to prove that a candidate was lying. If you actually read each and every single one then you will see that half of them do not prove that Obama was lying in the first place. Yes there are some things posted there that are lies. But for the most part its just some angry lunatic ranting about obama. I don’t see how you could possibly consider that viable.
If you are gonna try to prove that clinton or obama were lying you need to use some real sources.

Yes, I agree that the media is biased in Obama’s favour.
Mind you – the media is made up of smart, intelligent and highly knowledgeable human beings. Not robots.
It takes a lot of skills and personal qualities to get the media on your side.
There is something the media sees in Barack Obama that they just don’t find in Hillary.

So what. Hillary fibbed about snipers and danger in Bosnia. Tell me of any first ladies that have flown into a combat zone since Eleandor Roosevelt? The fact that she even went is heroic enough. THAT is the story here, people. Obamamites fail to recognize that the God Barack has lied to us about contacting the Canadian governement about his 2-faced political rhetoric over NAFTA – lied to deceive the worker to get their vote. THAT is the story there, people. I’d rather support a candidate who embellishes a tale of heroism than a candidate who lies about where their political views on the issues.
“My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world…I hope you’ll join with me as we try to change it.” – Barack Obama
If you don’t see something wrong with that statement, then you need to turn in your voter’s card.

Get over it and get on to real issues facing our country and let us debate who has a well thought out solution.
Grocery isle journalism is getting old and boring. What next? Candidate with quadruple head?
MSM media is killing this country and spirit of public interest by grocery isle journalism and wonders why people are not getting more involved.

Hillary flew into Bosnia … undboubtedly as a posturing move. And as someone mentioned earlier … who would endanger their child by taking them into a warzone … other than someone so overzealous and greedy, that they care only about their own ambitions. “I can’t wait to tell this story when I’m campaigning.”
Everything she’s done has been with the “big picture” in mind.

Media Bias:
Anyone who has ever lived abroad, or has international TV, or reads foreign newspapers knows that the entire major american media (by this i mean Boston Globe, New York Times, LA times, Fox news, CNN, ABC, and MSNBC) is conservatively biased. That is because the US is a relatively conservative country compared to our democratic counterparts.
So you must understand how odd it is to see the media having a bias towards someone as liberal as obama. I am having difficulty explaining this, but here are my thoughts:
The media always tries to dig up dirt on politicians. That is what Americans love to hear. (Europeans for example wouldn’t have cared one bit had their president had an affair) But American’s despise hypocrisy, lies and immorality. That is to say we expect our politicians to be a pure as the pope. But we also love drama.
The media plays on this and tries its best to dig up every little tiniest piece of drama, lies, exaggerations etc it can find. Historically, this drama usually has revolved around democrats, because a certain Republican strategist (carl rove) was very good at making up drama stories right before elections to swing them. I dont think that all the drama relating to the candidates has anything to do with bias. I think they just report ever last bit of dirt they can find.
I think what we see as a bias towards obama, is really just the inability of the media to get a lot of dirt on him. This is either because there isnt that much, because he hasnt been in office that long, or because he is really good at hiding it (but this is highly unlikely, cuz the media always finds everything).

Everybody in politics lies, but the Clintons do it with such ease.

Annie -
I agree. Obamamites are faulting her for his Administrative gaffaws, and excluding her from his Administrative triumphs. They associate the lady when things went bad for Bill, but dis-associate him from his accomplishments. Why would any Obamamite force Bill and Hillary to live to a higher standard, and ignore serious errors in judgement by their so-called God Barack?
Frankly speaking, I think Bill Clinton was probably #2 best President of the 20th century, behind FDR.
He had his errors but none that directly effected the affairs of government. Yes, he hooked up with Lewinsky behind Hillary’s back. The Republican’s hatchet men went after him with complete disregard to the respect the office deserves. Now, they are seeing the error of their ways because thanks to them ALL future presidents, Democratic or Republican, will be subject to the same scrutiny and disrespect. Politically, “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” was a compromise policy that (in the end) angered activists on both sides of the issue. Universal Healthcare failed not necessarily because of his Administration, or because of Hillary. They were fighting an uphill battle against lobbyists and influencials who had stock in both the Medical Industry and the Insurance Industry.
There were times when Bill Clinton’s judgements were tempered for whatever reason. Some will contend that he didn’t do enough to respond to terrorist attacks with car bombs in the garage of the World Trade Center, and the bomb attacks at the US Embassies in Africa, as well as the USS Cole in Yaeman. I tend to agree. Some would have believed that he didn’t do enough to monitor and prevent Saddam Hussein from reaquiring weapons of mass destruction in the years that followed the Persian Gulf War. Fact is, Bush or anyone else EVER found any WMDs – which was his initial reason for invading Iraq. Therefore, I submit to you, Clinton and the United Nations did the job on that issue effectively and efficiently. In the ladder half of his Administration, the USA, under the extreme urging of the UN, joined a peace keeping force that went into Somalia for humanitarian purposes. Clinton never wanted to go there but the USA and many others SCREAMED that we should go because people are starving and dying. Unprepared, we went. Same is true with Bosnia and Serbia (Milosevich). But like any other president of the 20th century, he followed the rules of coalition and friendship. He recognized and cherished treaties such as NATO.
Bill Clinton also had his triumphs. During the 1990s, the USA was very prosperous. Economically, the dollar remained strong abroad while inflation was in check, interest rates were low, and the American stock markets had Bull market after Bull Market. He was the first president to not only utter the letters, ‘HIV’, but he created an advisory position to combat this deadly disease. Thru his efforts, the life expectancy of a HIV patient went for a few years to MANY decades. Bill placed more minority advisors and cabinet level secretaries in his administration than any other President – past or present. His Administration saved the Mexican governement from total financial callapse when the Peso tanked. He and his Secretary of State brokered a historic peace tready between Israel and Jordan – a act not seen since the 1979 Israel-Egyptian accords under the Reagan Administration. And on a reputable level, it probably was the first time in since 1900 that the USA didn’t have to flex it’s might or pay dollars to garner friendship and support from foreign entities. Even as arrogant and demanding as we Americans can be, Americans were welcomed aboard. I know. I was an ex-patriate living in Europe at that time. Unlike any other president, Bill Clinton’s policies garnered success for the USA both domestically and internationally.
Yet, the only thing anti-Clintonists tend to zero in on is Bill’s negatives. That is not Bill Clinton’s legacy. He was a great man – BUT STILL… A MAN. And man is not perfect, we all have made mistakes. Instead of tearing the man apart, some people here ought to get down on the knees and thank the Lord above for a great leader like Bill Clinton. Many of you wouldn’t be in the successful, gainfully employed positions you are in today if it hadn’t been for this man.

Either that …. or just very nascient political followers. “you decide”

This just can’t be a coincidence. Bill is actively seeking to derail his wife’s nomination. What else could explain it? Alzheimers? Maybe?, we can hope.

Obama’s story about the Kennedy’s bringing his father over here as he stood and told this tale/lie in front of the Kennedy’s turned out to be a LIE! The story of his parents meeting at a Selma March for civil rights ALSO a LIE! His claim at recieving $60,000 from rezko- another lie, two lies later he admitted to taking $250,000! (which he only gave away $60k his orginal lie’s figure)- he also admitted to buying more land from him. Oh yeah he waited til the day the mainstream media broke the atory about Rev. Wright to fess up to this. Karl Rove said that was his best move ever!!
This man is unpatriotic (but now trying to feign he is), his judgemetart is lacking in everyway yet democrats want to vote for him?? Why hasn’t the mainstream media investigated further his ties to Bill Ayers and “their friendly relationship” (a bomber and terrorist that is unremorseful)– media stream media do your homework. Sean hannity has been ahead of you by a 12 month margin with having half the resources as you!

I sincerely believe Bill Clinton should go underground for a while. He is killing Hillary with the undecided.

That’s absurd. Spin enough associations with any world leader – including the God Obama – and you can compile just the same results.

2.3 million voters disenfranchised in MI and Fl, an American hating racist church for 20 years for political gain, and you want to pillor a former first lady for visiting US troops in a war zone and remembering the details incorrectly 14 years later.
She was VISITING US TROOPS IN A WAR ZONE!
Way to go Hillary. She has real class and courage and dedication to her job.
Focus on America hating or disenfranchising 8% of the democratic elecorate to get a nomination, both bad things.
Visiting US troops in a war zone is a godd thing, something Mr Obama has NEVER DONE!

It’s Bill-ochio, what can we say?
Guess he figured by now the ignorant and gullible americans that vote for Team Hill-Bill (she’s gets top billing now), have long forgotten the details and they can come up with a simple plan that any idiot can follow.
Tell them what happened Bill!

Bill Clinton again, can somebody lock this fella, he is littering left and right, he is a walking disaster area. Well, who will be the better President between Hillary and Barack? take them on how they managed their campaign. Hillary is losing in delegate count, on popular vote and on Funds while Barack has a very impressive campaign never seen before.

As was said before, Hallary had a perfect opportunity to get the abll rolling on this ( Mi and FL) in Feb but she said, ” these states aren’t important.” This statement is public. She was also ahead at the time.

Sure… it wasn’t Fl and MI’s political machines… it was OBAMA!
I rarely read a comment from pro-Clintonites that can view facts through clear colored glasses… ya want to believe… times were better in the 90′s and that must be Bill’s doings… nothing to do with world economy or what was in place before he got there… a presidents term is best view the 4 years AFTER he leaves… so he and Bush can take credit for the economy and all problems we want fixed…. It’s a big simpleton fancy that Clintons are a 2 for 1 ‘deal’…. thank God the internet has come back to bite Clinton in the a**!

Liz…I don’t know where you’re getting your information but it is wrong….you need to research more. All campaign donations are public record….

origood:
I strongly disagree. That is old-age thinking. However since the 90′s the technology world has introduced this new fangled thing you are probably using right now. It’s called a “computer”. And it give people “REAL TIME” results. It can compile and display even so much as the up to the minute revenues of any business or organization – even if they are still open for business that day.
What you say was true in the past. This is what people content to use to argue about the energy crisis under the Nixon Administration (cerca 1972).
As an I.T. Technologist, please do NOT sell my industry short on its accomplishments. I.T. is already a black hole to any organization – meaning money is invested but no profit is ever gained from the investment. Yet, we serve any orgnaization a meaningful purpose and as an industry, we would be here if we hadn’t made such marvelous accomplishments.

Pete….So What! He is not doing anything the rest of the canidates are not doing. And by the way the $5 thing is wrong it is $25 and I am a donor and so is most of my family. We stand firm with our donations and believe in our canidate. Get the facts straight!

I meant that Senator Obama has been accused of having gay sex and drugs within the last 10 years. Is it true? Who knows? Too hot for the MSM to cover? Obviously, if it had been alleged against Hillary or Bill Clinton, the press would be right on it.
The media has suffered from reporting in this election and you may never regain your credibility.

HILL & BILL! LIARS! PERIOD!

“There is something the media sees in Barack Obama that they just don’t find in Hillary.”
Sure. Tons o’ money. Not all grassroots money either as he tries to portray it, but deeeeep pockets nonetheless. And they want him to spend every last nickel and more before August.
As my Dad would say, “A dog that brings a bone takes a bone.”
If Obama is still standing at the end of the nomination process, he gets to find out how true that is. The press is allowed to savage a woman. Unfortunately, our country is not very sensitive to sexism. It isn’t allowed to savage ‘the first possibly viable black candidate for president’ yet.
Come the general election, that changes because now the problem is they have to choose between savaging a Harvard lawyer with shady associates, no serious record of legislation, and a military war hero with many years of successful legislative experience.
Or they choose between a young arrogant man and a senior polished professional?
Guess who gets the shaft in that one.
Take a breath: their viewer demographics favor the boomers who are seniors.

Lauren…Hillary is a disater…she has run a REALLY bad campaign. She should have zeroed in on her time in the Senate. She did some REALLY good things there, but instead she has over-stated her role in the White HOuse and this has really hurt her. I think hse thought she was a “shoe-in” for the nomination.

I would rather prefer someone that has misspoke than someone flip flop and lied about who they associate with & continue to play the race card. No Obama for me. Go Hillary

The Clintons must be absolutely in complete shock. For years, they could say whatever they pleased with no fear of being questioned or contradicted. Now the tide has turned and they are no longer media darlings. Maybe I’m warped but I’m finding it pretty funny.

Lauren…Who the heck told you that it was Hillarys advisors that push out the votes for MI & FL? Was that another of Obama’s myth or yours? Get the facts straight because you are telling nothing but lies right now. I’m from Florida and you have nothing but the facts wrong. Are you going to tell me that Obama has never lied or misspoke?

Misspoke? Lie? Would someone please clerify the difference. We call bad good and good bad. What the world! Now lying is misspeak. You really want someone as president who lies?… excuse me, I mean misspeaks! That opens a whole new avenue. Oh what am I thinking? (my bad) That same thing happened to our “best president ever” as quoted by the media a few years ago. He misspoke when he said “I never had sex with the girl.” Get it? There is a difference between lying and misspeaking. (I just can’t quite tell the difference myself… perhaps a lack of money from the payoff on that chicken deal back when the Mrs’ hubby was pres.

The one running for president is Hillary & not Bill. If you want to go down that road we can start talking about how everyone is fearing of Michelle Obama.

I just love the people who say Hillary is based….have you checked out how many times we have gone around with the Wright thing…Let it go…

Your right Jill, it is not so much media bias as these two con artest are now being held accountable. The media will just go with the ones they see as the most popular and most profitable. They wouldn’t have much readership covering Ron Paul’s every move, as wonderful as that man is. I know I go to the news to see what Obama is doing, don’t really care about McCain or Hillary. Although I do take a certain pleasure in seeing Hillary get what’s due to her.

I can’t get over the amount of innuendo all of the Clinton supporters try to fan the flames of on here…
and these are people backing the Clintons! Do they know who the Clintons are?
Look through all the arguments on these posts from Clinton supporters… it is all based on tearing Obama down with things that have not and can not be proven…no charges …no lawsuits…no investigations into him… no disbarrment…no caught in lies… no anything but conjecture based on your own angry defensive positions…
There is nothing that is based in factual reference here but almost entirely on slander… that is the definition of dirty politics. Do yuo all get that this is because your candidate and her husband (I feel so bad for the woman who comes 3rd in that family …their daughter Chelsea…can you imagine your own parents putting you third to their own lives…ugh)
Chelsea’s parents have set the agenda…and you all call the MSM unethically “mysoginistic” …read these postings and tell me who is playing dirty politics and then tell me again whose candidacy is based far from the ethics of what we should be holding up for as the leader of our country.
…and please don’t say again that Obama “lied” about the Reverend… no one believes that of a guy who would have been safer politically to throw the guy under the bus, even you.

Hal :
The ultimate spin doctor was Karl Rove. No one else in history could have spun such to get that man elected to a 2nd term.
Let’s face it, the both lie. But you are comparing “Bullets Over Bosnia” where (like any human being) the storyteller embellishes a little to sensationalize the event, to a man who’s flat out admited to the Canadian Government that he is going to lie about his stance on NAFTA to dupe the American worker for his/her vote. The degree of the lies has been extreme. Yet Obamamites both blogging here and in the press seem to ignore that.

S.B wrote:
He doesn’t take oil lobby money LIE
Actually, he takes money from their eemployees. I work in Banking, so does mmy contribution me he takes money from tthe Banking Industry??? When donating for his campaign, his website asks which industry you work in.
He doesn’t take drug company money LIE
See above. He takes donations from employees.
He didn’t take money from Rezko LIE
He did and returned it. Rezko’s trial has not uncovered any wrongdoing on Obama’s part. How many of the Clinton’s associates have been put on trial and/or have been convicted? Too many to count.
Rezko didnt help him buy his house with a 300,000 discount LIE
See above.
He’s never heard his pastor of 20 years spew anti American hatred LIE
Can you prove that? There are many instances of the Clintons lying. Too many to count.
His parents met in Selma Alabama at a civil rights march LIE, he was 4 at that time
So what? Like you said, he was 4 years old at the time.
Kennedy brought his father to America LIE
Again, he wan’t even born when that happened. Secondly, he isn’t basing his campaign on this issue (unlike Hillary who’s campaign is riding on her “Comander-in-Chief” experience.
Please examine Mr Obama’s LIES
See above.
A former first lady visiting US troops in a war zone is a good thing!!
Unfortunately, she had to LIE about everything that happened that day. The only truth she told about this incident was that she was there.
None of Mr Obama’s lies are good things.
Read above.
They are all just LIES!
Again, read above.
Cheers!

to the “anti-Obama” Lauren
The rules of how this primary was to play out were developed much more under Terry McAuliffe than Howard Dean … He is the one that put the onus on the state parties to fall in line. Because back then (right before he left to become Hillary’s chair) he wanted them to fall in line for Hillary and get the nomination wrapped up.
so the “other” lauren who is pro-Obama…
is right actually the plans to have a committtee to look at this primary and the things that they were looking at how the states had to submit their primary status or be disregarded had to do with people who run the Clinton campaign now…
Go look it up under the minutes of the DNC these decisions and discussions were done 2 years before these primaries and I am sure Hillary had a big say in how they were agreed upon… considering she was “their” canidate even back then.
Unfortunately because it did not go the way they wanted in the other states…they suddenly care about those people because it has to do with them personally. That’s the candidate and campaign we want in the white house the ones who only make choices based on their own needs and advancement.

Lauren…
A revote would benefit everyone. The voters vote would count.
Remember that we needed Florida in 2000 and it was robbed from the Dem. Party, so keep in mind that you can’t disfranchise the voters & by the way Dean has already said that the DNC will seat the delegates one way or another which is a good idea since Obama didn’t want a revote in Florida or Michigan.

Clinton supporters time and again have stated on various news forums that Obama supporters (and I assume that includes anti-Clinton factions in general) are “mean-spirited” in their posts. Perhaps it is because the biggest faults of all the Clintons lie in the areas of conduct and character, including their ongoing use of the Clintonese dialect of political prevarication.

Sorry got confused by the postings back and forth I think someone else not Lauren made the comments about Clinton people “not being involved in the MI and FL decision”
because they were …heavily for years ahead of this.

Go look it up under the minutes of the DNC these decisions and discussions were done 2 years before these primaries and I am sure Hillary had a big say in how they were agreed upon… considering she was “their” canidate even back then.
What you say is pure baloney if you are referring to the superdelegate rules. The superdelegate rules date back to when Jimmy Carter was running for the nomination. After the George McGovern debacle, the superdelegate rules were put in place in order to minimize the possibility of nominating an unelectable candidate.

NO AMOUNT OF MONEY CAN JUSTIFY LACK OF EXPERIANCE, HYPOCRITICAL ACTIONS, UNQUALIFIED PLANS, AND CONTRIDICTORY STATEMENTS. OBAMA IS ELUSIVE AND A STILL A MYSTERY, AND UNTIL HE GROWS INTO HIS ”SUIT” FOR MANY MORE YEARS, HE CERTAINLY IS NOT READY TO LEAD A COUNTRY. THIS ISN’T THE 60′S..AND THIS ISN’T THE 90′S.. PS. THE CLINTON ERA IS OVER, TOO- LETS MOVE ON: MCCAIN 2008

Obama’s story about the Kennedy’s bringing his father over here as he stood and told this tale/lie in front of the Kennedy’s turned out to be a LIE! The story of his parents meeting at a Selma March for civil rights ALSO a LIE! His claim at recieving $60,000 from rezko- another lie, two lies later he admitted to taking $250,000! (which he only gave away $60k his orginal lie’s figure)- he also admitted to buying more land from him. Oh yeah he waited til the day the mainstream media broke the atory about Rev. Wright to fess up to this. Karl Rove said that was his best move ever!!
This man is unpatriotic (but now trying to feign he is), his judgemetart is lacking in everyway yet democrats want to vote for him?? Why hasn’t the mainstream media investigated further his ties to Bill Ayers and “their friendly relationship” (a bomber and terrorist that is unremorseful)– media stream media do your homework. Sean hannity has been ahead of you by a 12 month margin with having half the resources as you!

Mary
Your candidate Sen Clinton and her posse are the ones who screwed up MI anf FL
go look up who was on the committee that did the selection process…
Go look who the advisors were on these decisions and then go watch as Sen Clinton went back on everything she had said inflaming the situation and twistng it to seem as though she had always been on the side of the voters the day after their fake elections standing on a stage saying “we must count these elections or have them seated” these elections that were liie every other state where campaigns hadn’t happened, people hadn’t met the candidates and people voted with strong margins toward the woman they knew for 8 years as their first lady…and then in almost all those other states when people got to see the candidates those margins went away and she either lost or was close to a tie)…only after she was losing did she care to go against the plan that her campaign advisors helped to draw up and she reinforced herself.
That is exactly the type of candidate and advisors we don’t need.

“Now if Hillary Clinton makes “mistatements” on Bosnian sniper fire due to exhaustion at 11:00, then how can she answer calls at 3:00am?” (SG)

Dl & Lauren…
What can you say about Obama’s connections to REv. WRight, Resko, & Willaim Ayers huh? You can’t can you?

I will never trust Bill again. I voted for him twice, but now I would be afraid to shake his hand.
All Bill does is damage Hillary’s campaign.
Hillary needs to send Bill home and tell him to stay there.

Michael
I am referring to the delegate selection process that was in DNC committtee process 2 years before these primaries…go check it out on the DNC website…
and the superdelegate process…I’m glad you brought up…
This is from the Library of Congress… – but it can also be found in “Dictionary of Politics” —
The purpose of the “Hunt Commission” formed in 1980 -which created today’s superdelegate system…was and I quote,
“to streamline the delegate selection process to party conventions and to DEMOCRATIZE the party itself, broadening the base of political participation by increasing input into the process of selecting presidential candidates, to strengthen ACCOUNTABILITY of public officials and strengthen the party itself whose base was weakened by the vigorous activities of the the Republican Party.”
Speaker Pelosi’s situation is entirely correct… the purpose of changes made to the selection process including superdelegates were in the direct goal of “democratizing the party” and holding public officials “Accountable” (and it references “to the members of the party” later in the section)to the party and therefore it’s members/voters.
the supers don’t need to vote with their state constituents…they just need to make sure that delegate stealing and other issues of manipulating the system don’t override the “democratic” process…. if the formation of the Hunt Commission and it’s formation and responsibilities are to be acknowledged.

Hillary and Bill deserve each other. Why would he add injury to insult. That is how much credit he gives the american voters,who knows maybe he knows human nature better than we think,for some will surely fall for it.
Obama 08!
Yes we can!

mccain and condi for president.condi has more sense than both of those dem clowns.

Mary
Rev Wright was like a man who had been through a lot I sa it is a man who is frustrated and made stupi statements out of anger that should have not been said…but if a white Vietnam Vet Minister got up and said some of those statements out of anger toward his fellow vets treatment by his own government …I for one even though I disagree strongly, would not leave a church because he made those statements especially if I was a vet myself and knew that 98 % of the time he spoke of lifting the citizens of this country up and he did a lot of good.
Rezko was dumb…one issue …he was dumb…but unlike the Clintons he has never been brought up on any kind of charges with this…not even an accusation…let’s see if that is how you are going to pick a candidate…hmmm do the Clintons have any “funny” relationships?… with any funny mysterious scandal? hmmm…let me think… no we will try again not to go there because this is a better campaign than that.
Your Mr. Ayers that you want to point out …do you know that 4 pardons were given to that same terrorist organization that had Mr Ayers…the guy that Obama met because of Chicago politics and their children went to the same school///those pardons were given by President Clinton…but that just came out today so you probably haven’t read that yet?
So here you go Mary…
we argue about who disenfranchised the FL and MI voters and you change the subject to something incendiary… I keep saying you as a backer of Clintons should not be bringing up scandals.

MM Confused by how you define lying. Let’s say you had a child and that child got all C’s on their report card. Now the child tells you it was all A’s. Certainly this is an embellishment (according to you) as the child did get grades, they just weren’t A’s. I have to assume you would blame the teachers as they must be at fault. Don’t fault the child since they learn from their parents.

Neither you nor anyone else can convince me that you have embellished a story and told that version once and only once. – MM
I agree with you MM. It is sad that the media and the many sheep who believe the media hold Hillary Clinton to a higher standard than anyone else including other politicians. But for whatever reason, the media has “chosen” Obama as their candidate for the Democratic nomination.

Why can’t people get it? The Clintons are liars who care only about themselves. I live in Indiana, and we are beginning to get the calls and commercials. Evan Bayh’s commercial says that Hillary has a spine of steel…I wonder if he meant “steal.”

Mike:
No. In your example, the child got C’s on his report card but tells the parents that he got A’s. To me, that is a lie. This actually is the kind of lie Obama has been caught in time and time again. Like when he says neither he or his campaign ever spoke to the Canadians about his NAFTA comments being campaign rhetoric designed to dupe the american working citizen into voting for him.
An example of an embellishment would more like be something like… the child got C+’s on his report card but tells his parents that the grades are C++’s. This is an example of sensationalizing.

Exactly Mary!
With Obama asking his committed delegate to be removed simply because she asked the kids to “stop acting LIKE monkeys” – encourages MORE charges of racism where none exist!!
Obama has played the Race Card to the max!
“Race Man” – how Obama played the Race Card and blamed Hillary…

Lauren, are you ACTUALLY supporting Obama by constantly repeating that several months ago, an adviser of Clinton voted to punish these 2 states? Really? This is how you support Obama, the person perfectly willing to give up these 2 states ENTIRELY in the general election by disenfranchising them? He probably hasen’t been fired because to fire everyone who was upset at MI and FL would mean firing everyone. That doesn’t mean that it is either wise or logical to continue to punish the voters of those states. It is the Democratic party that broke the rules, but it is the VOTERS that Obama is willing to lose by blocking a revote. The states have been punished. The whole country knows they messed up. Now get the voters the chance to be heard, or we can just go on and paint those 2 red now for the General election

Both Obama and Ayers were members of the board of an anti-poverty group, the Woods Fund of Chicago, between 1999 and 2002. In addition, Ayers contributed $200 to Obama’s re-election fund to the Illinois State Senate in April 2001. They lived within a few blocks of each other in the trendy Hyde Park section of Chicago, and moved in the same liberal-progressive circles.
Is there anything here that raises questions about Obama’s judgment?

MM Sorry do not agree. Hillary is lying when she says she was under sniper fire. Not an embellishment. You just change your description to fit the situation as you see it. If Obama does something, it is a lie and if Hillary does it, it is an embellishment. Facts do get in your way. I will be leaving so no need to respond.

Yes – better to go with the experienced KNOWN, warts and all – than roll the dice with an empty suit UNKNOWN.
Obama and Wright are wrong for America!
However, when Wright gives his speech to the NAACP convention – the media will portray him as Billy Graham and the dumbed down public that allows the media to shape their opinions will quickly forget “GD America!”

Obama is “far more radical than he would like us to know.”
The Hitchens piece was followed by a Bloomberg article last week pointing to the Ayers connection
The hard facts that have come out so far are the $200 contribution by Ayers to the Obama re-election fund, and their joint membership of the eight-person Woods Fund Board.
Weatherman connection. Bill Clinton commuted the sentences of a couple of convicted Weather Underground members, Susan Rosenberg and Linda Sue Evans, shortly before leaving office in January 2001. Which is worse: pardoning a convicted terrorist or accepting a campaign contribution from a former Weatherman who was never convicted?
Now to me Hillary has no involvement of what her husband did! But Obama has involvement with William Ayers and a quote by his campaign “they are friends”
This is Obama’s relaltionship with terrosrist, anti-americans & much more.
You can’t punish Hillary for what Bill did in his years of President. Like Chelsea said” I believe my mother will be a better President than her father”
Get the facts straight people!

Bill Clinton defends wife’s Bosnia remarks
Former President Bill Clinton gave a passionate defense Thursday of his wife’s claim about “landing under sniper fire” – just as the damaging controversy was dying down.
Bill Clinton said the news media treated her like she’d “robbed a bank” and claimed she was experiencing end-of-day fatigue, even though she had made the claim in morning speeches. Now, her husband has revived the issue by claiming the comments were true during a “Solutions for America” campaign event in at Boonville High School in Boonville, Ind. Here are his comments, recorded by networks and reported by CBS News:
“Let me just tell you. The president of Bosnia and General Wesley Clark – who was there making peace where we’d lost three peacekeepers, who had to ride on a dangerous mountain road because it was too dangerous to go the regular, safe way – both defended her because they pointed out that when her plane landed in Bosnia, she had to go up to the bulletproof part of the plane, in the front. Everybody else had to put their flak jackets underneath the seat in case they got shot at. And everywhere they went, they were covered by Apache helicopters. So they just abbreviated the arrival ceremony.
“Now I say that because, what really has mattered is that even then she was interested in our troops. And I think she was the first first lady since Eleanor Roosevelt to go into a combat zone. And you woulda thought, you know, that she’d robbed a bank the way they carried on about this. And some of them, when they’re 60, they’ll forget something when they’re tired at 11 at night, too.”
CBS News producer Ryan Corsaro, who covers Senator Clinton, reports she made the claim in mid-morning on St. Patrick’s Day.
CBS also has aired videotape of the senator making the claim on at least two other occasions.

From a socio-political stand point, the involvement of Elton John, a British national, and particularly his remarks such as (and I quote) “I’m amazed by the misogynistic attitudes of some of the people in this country. And I say to hell with them ….” , can be deemed as interference in a crucial campaign, Polarizing words made by a foreign national who due to his allegiance to his home land of Britain can not hold and have any patriotic attachment to America and its future. Clinton’s supporters argue that the relatively smooth-running Obama operation obscures the reality that the first-term Illinois senator is an untested, naive politician who showed little spine or genius during his unremarkable four years in the U.S. Senate. Clinton loyalists think the Obama story has a predictable conclusion: He gets torn apart by a ruthless GOP and crushed in the general election. But, it is also true that a fair measurement of the candidates’ leadership skills is their management of their campaign. Easily the largest enterprise they have run in their lives — in February alone, Obama had 1,280 paid employees, at a cost of $2.61 million; Clinton had 935 employees and a monthly payroll of $1.63 million — the campaign reveals flaws and strengths that will only be magnified in the Oval Office.

As a white university professor, I, along with my children and grandchildren, am honored and privileged to be part of this great history in the making and vote for Sen. Obama. Now, will America rise to the occasion and embrace this great change and truly unite, showing the world that ONLY in America this can happen, and that it really is the land of the free? Or, will those whose better judgement is clouded by petty prejudices and misconceptions continue the divisive tradition of ‘Us’ and ‘Them’, propagated by those politicians who firmly believe in their politics of divide and rule and public deception?

“Now if Hillary Clinton makes “mistatements” on Bosnian sniper fire due to exhaustion at 11:00, then how can she answer calls at 3:00am?” (SG)

“Now if Hillary Clinton makes “mistatements” on Bosnian sniper fire due to exhaustion at 11:00, then how can she answer calls at 3:00am?” (SG)

Poor Hillary. The media is so unfair.
I am sure that they will play nice if she is president.
weak, weak, weak. All around weak.
whiner, cryer, liar and loser.
Quit already! You are embarassing yourself.

Keep talking Bill, every time you open your mouth, Hillary loses votes.

A LIEING EX FIRST LADY ..PLUS A LIEING PRESIDENT….hmmmm…DESPERATE FAMILY ‘THE CLINTONS’ THE WORLD IS WATCHING YOU ALL…ITS A SHAME….MORE LIES TO BE SEEN AND HEARD!

The bottom line is that neither Hillary or Obama are fit to be President. That leaves us with McCain and that is only 85% all right with me because it seems he he is bought out by LaRaza. I also support National Health Care in the form of Medicare for everyone and it is an in-place system and the only way we will get rid of Employer Based Health Care. If the campaigns had not started early would we have found out about the real Hillary and Barack? It isn’t pretty on the Democrat side.

Bill’s right. Jake, you’re nitpicking.

I too sat on my flak jacket wondering if I would be hit by sniper fire from the hills. Hostile force from all sides surrounded me as I waited to hear Mrs. Clinton speak in Los Angeles.

The Clintons and just about all other politicians (both sides) are void of human feelings. Their job, as they see it is to pull your chain, then figure out how to hide the money.

Yeah Lauren – are you any better than Hillary lying? You deliberately get on this thread to start lies about the Clintons.
Does that make you a better person? I think not.
Don’t throw stones missy – they may ricochet right back to you. Maybe you are a politician in disguise.

SHE LIED, LIED…AND THEN LIED AGAIN. I watched a press conference where she said sinbad was wrong and was a comedian and shouldn’t be trusted. Hw was calling her out and she got caught. Now shes saying she was tired and said it once. I can’t believe this woman wants to be president.I used to have alot of respect for bill clinton. its all gone now.

-Sheeza Lyer-
And everyone affiliated with “Rev” Wright’s church just happened to speak German on that particular day?

I can not be opposed to another Clinton in the White House as when the first Clinton was there our Country eliminated the deficit. I am sure that any Democratic candidate could help us. It only took George and company a short time to push us further into debt than we had ever been. What is wrong with helping those at home in our own country. Let those who are destroying the Middle East rebuild it. They should not have any problem using our money that they are soaking us for oil.

Someone mentioned that we should drop the no insurance pregnant women / Bosnia stories and the Wright. There are difference of accuracy and principles between the them.
No insurance story is 95% accurate, Bosnia if 65% accurate. Wright’s is an issue of principle even though BO tried to use a speech to shift the values to racial issue.

I won’t vote for Hillary, but come on. Can we move on to more substantial issues? Yeah, she made up some heroic story, who gives a crap. Talk about the issues, not stupid lies about how she landed in a helicopter.

Eliz,
Too “typical” to face reality in validating truth.
If they were so appalled at the Reb, they should picket the Church. Why not? There hasn’t been one picketer in front of the church yet!
It’s shows that cynics are truly all whine and no cheese.
What a bunch of dopes.

No more free passes for Bill Clinton. This may finally sink his wife’s nomination. Bill Clinton is a smart politician. I have to wonder if he is not torpedoing Hillary’s bid on some subconscious level. This is fascinating to watch, but it is doing irreparable damage to Bill and Hillary Clinton.

So what Fred? Grasshoppa, this is politics. Now that the Bi-Racial man is the one with the biggest bank, you want to itemize.
You weren’t itemizing when Bush and the Republican machine were raising big money in 2002 on, were you.
It’s funny to see when a game created by you and yours is manipulated and perfected by someone on the outside.
Sounds like the auto industry, huh?

common sense as a screen name and you support Mr. Hope??? Bwahahahahahahahaha!
This Bill Clinton issue is PURE CRP and the MSM is using as one more thing to bash over Hillary’s head. It’s sad and pathetic. I don’t care if William Ayers was 40 years ago. He still bombed the Pentagon, the Capitol and tried to blow up a NY police dept. The man was on the run for YEARS and he’s Obama’s buddy.
First we have the racist Rev. Louis Farrakhan and now a terrorist buddy who raises funds for his campaign. The man has not been vetted and I, for one, don’t trust him as far as I can throw him. You go ahead and keep your eyes and ears closed though and you’ll find yourself watching McCain’s swearing-in on TeeVee. Fool.
The media has all this garbage on Mr. Hope. They’re just saving it for the GE. The MSM LOVES John McCain…in case you haven’t figured that out yet.

It’s beyond me to understand why the Hill supporters refuse to accept the Clintons are LIARS. The lies never end and they’ll twist EVERYTHING to get Hill nominated – to get her way. She’s in this election for herself and could care less about the rest of us. Bill’s famous, “I never had sex with that woman”, is proof positive how much they lie. Mark my words, if she gets into the White House (again) we’ll NEVER know for sure what’s true and what’s a big lie. Is this what we want of a president?

Dear Common Sense -
The issue may be old news but it is far from dead. I have concluded that a fairly higher percentage of blacks are far more racists than “typical white people” (as Obama put it).
From a white person’s perspective, they have, simply put, churches, universities, neighborhoods, business associations, and a host of other non-racial defining entities. In today’s society, “typical white people” aren’t allowed to have harbor racial descript entities because they would be labeled racist. White communities are not allowed form a segregation whatsoever.
Yet, such is not equal with black communities. Blacks have black churches, where if a white person would walk in, everyone would gasp. Blacks have black universities. There is even a United Negro College Fund – it’s own name could be termed racist if spoken by a white person. Black people toss the “N” word around in music, film, and everday life because they think it’s empowering that they can say that word but not whites. You don’t see white people walking around calling each other racist names. And we often hear of black owned business associations that definately do exclude white, latino, or Asian CEOs.
Whenever segregation served the better purpose of the black community, it was harbored, treasured, reveard and supported by the blacks. Whenever segregation served better purpose of any other community, blacks would scream, holler, condemn and rip at the very fabric of that organization – trying to get in and playing the race card when they were denied. I will never forget Mayro Ray Nagins comments about New Orleans being his “chocolate city” while on the mayoral campaign trail. Had any other candidate uttered the term “vanilla city” or “cracker town”, the black community would have been throwing that race card faster than they did at Imus.
Blacks play the race card too much. This has caused anamosity in the eyes of one community, and frustration in the eyes of another. The racial double standard is what tears at the fabric of all communities. Blacks have to learn to set the example, not set the exception. Teach everyone that doing things like calling someone a “N” is WRONG, or else do not get angry when a non-black uses it. Completely dismiss the use offensive words from music, movies and things that touch our everyday lives. Re-affirm to our children that “thug”, be it black, white, latino, asian or any other creed is NOT something to aspire to be. Help them pick positive role models by BEING a role model. Nothing could be more honorable than a child saying to his Mom or Dad, “You are my idol.”
Unlike Reaganomics and the “trickle down” theory, change starts at the bottom and works it way up. Change starts with everyday people, like you and me. It’s a small contribution but it can be just as infectious as smile. If you really want change, you have to look inside to yourself first and find the better person we all strive to be.

Well said DJ but it sounds like you don’t know many black people. You would find that most of our churches welcome whites all the time few choose to go for fear not because they arent welcome. The UNCF was founded 64 years ago at a time when schools were still segregated and all black colleges were all we had. So once segragtion happened shoudl we have just shut down these fine insitutions which by the way are historically black yet all of them have white students. And I personally dont find the word “negro” racist. Just as we have been overly sensitive to some things you should know just a bit more before you speak. Your points are great and as a black woman I agree with most of what you have said about “my” people and yes we all have along way to go. Just don’t knock us for trying to better ourselves and be fruitful in “our” America.

Leave it to the Clintons to use a new set of LIES to try and cover a new set of LIES. lol
Clintons: Enemies of the truth!

Add another inaccuracy to the list: The three Americans killed on that mountain were diplomats, not peacekeepers. They were there before the Dayton Peace Agreement, which paved the way for the introduction of the US-led peacekeeping force.

Bill’s famous, “I never had sex with that woman”, is proof positive how much they lie. Mark my words, if she gets into the White House (again) we’ll NEVER know for sure what’s true and what’s a big lie. Is this what we want of a president?
Posted by: makemyday2day | Apr 11, 2008 2:01:21 PM
To me a lie has to be significant, not a mere misstatement of facts. Suppose Bill had said, “She had her yellow dress on” when, in fact, it was blue, it wouldn’t bother me as it might still offend someone else who thinks all lies are equal and to be despised without exception.
For me, lying about consensual sex no matter how in-your-face still falls in the realm of lies that I can dismiss as unimportant without reflecting on a person’s integrity. Clearly, makemyday doesn’t feel that way.
On the other hand, I would find very much problematic a lie along the lines of “Saddam is developing WMDs” when this is a rationale for going to war. That would be an example of a significant lie, one I would not tolerate. Again, I know there are people who would disagree.

I tried to post a comment and they wouldn’t print it because I said Fox was more fair when reporting on Obama then the rest of the media. I also said that Fox has covered for the last two nights, the story about Obama being linked to The Underground Weatherman and this story being a screen because the media doesn’t want to report anything negative about Obama.

H & C (if I print their names it won’t be posted) from Fox news, tried to cover the Rev. Wright story last year and the media refused to cover it. Now they won’t cover the Underground Weatherman Story. Which H & C have been covering the last two nights. The media is in Obamas pocket and it’s really sad that they throw these stories up over and over to try and deflect from the real issue. You never see them quoting Michelle Obama’s every word. Especially since they reported her saying She was proud of America for the first time in her adult life and people were really ticked. Do you want a first lady who isn’t proud of her country going around the world representing us. How do you think other countries will view her when they know she has made such statements.

We demand an END to Media Bias!
We demand an END to Hate Speech!
We demand an END to Prejudice against Hillary!
We demand Florida & Michigan votes COUNT as cast!
We demand an END to Rigging of the Democratic Primary!
I support Senator Hillary Clinton for President as she embraces our struggles as her struggles. Her many years of experience, strength of character, accomplishments on behalf of the people, courage, compassion and willingness to fight for every American, are indeed qualities of a candidate who is ready to lead, and someone who offers solutions that are real and able to pass the tests.

Bill doesn’t want her to lose, his butt’s on the line. It’s either the White House or divorce. He’ll be cleaned out.
He just talks too much. No need to be so cynical.

Folks, please remember that this man Bill Clinton will not only be the First Spouse if Hillary is president, their supporters expect that Bill will guide Hillary through situations in the White House. She has also indicated that he will be given the post of creating good will among the nations of the world toward the United States. I am sad to say this but he sounds disoriented when he talks. Do we really want this two-some in Washington leading our country?

as far as lies how about this WHOPPER – obama is not african american THAT IS RIGHT OBAMA IS NOT AFRICAN AMERICAN – he is ARAB AMERICAN – he lied to get into harvard – he is lying now -

The Clintons have always been pathological liars. They lie so much that they cannot distinguish the lies from the truth. If you lie enough, eventually you will get caught. We want that in the White House?

The flak she’s getting from the Bosnia story is not making a mountain out of a mole hill. Hillary LIED!! She told a blatant lie to make herself look good and she got caught! Both the Clintons are pathological liars. They will say or do anything to get back in the White House.I don’t understand why people can’t see that.

Hillary is the grande dame of liars. Her elaborate Tuzla story was not just a lie, it was an elaborate whopper. She lied about her supposed opposition to NAFTA; she lied about being against the Iraq war before Barack. If she was so opposed to the Colombian Free Trade agreement, why didn’t she “reject and denounce” the portion of the $800.000, inured to her benefit as a matter of law. She could have donated it to some of the Americans who are deprived of jobs as a result of these trade agreements.

Whoeey – can’t believe Clinton has the nerve, I recall her very clearly telling the reporter what you say during the run-up isn’t too important because voters have short memories. If someone is condescending – its her.
Obama was discussing political bitterness and it’s a real thing. The belief that it doesn’t have to be like is where the energy level in supporters comes from. It doesn’t – people need to get off their duffs and get involved. If enough people speak out we can make a difference.

Hey, everyone. Thanks to those who read my post -whether you enjoyed it or not. Glad you found it interesting enough to plow through….
For those of you who don’t know, here goes….
BLACK DUDE FOR CLINTON AND AGAINST OBAMA….
In the past I have voted for individuals I did not support. I was a Bradley fan. I was a Dean fan. I was somewhat undecided in 1992, but I supported Jesse during both of his runs. I did not vote for Clinton in 1996 because I was angry with welfare reform. I am able to separate the two Clintons, however. A woman is not an extension of her husband.
In the past, I was able to vote for the winning nominee, because the campaigns were not so nasty, hateful, and unfair. Although Bradley lost, the media did not really portray him in horrendous terms. Dean, I concede, received a lot of awful and unfair press. The Dean Scream was a complete media invention, and it slandered a great candidate. I was angry with the Democrats for falling for this madness. I saw a Karl Rove conspiracy; the Republicans said they preferred Dean, and the Democrats and the “liberal” media fell for it. Now, the Republicans say they want Clinton, and the media and the Democrats have fallen for it. The difference, however, is one of degree. The media and Obama’s supporters have portrayed Clinton in completely unflattering terms, but she maintains a large volume of supporters. I think this shows how strong a candidate she actually is. On some level Bradley was flat, and Dean was a little “sporadic.” But Clinton is a pretty straight shooter. The media, however, have done nothing but seek bad news about her. Even recently, they rushed a story calling her a “liar” concerning a campaign story that portrayed an uninsured woman’s plight with health care. Although Clinton never mentioned the woman’s or the hospital’s name, a particular hospital denied the story — and without even verifying anything, the headlines portrayed her as lying – “yet again.” Turns out, the woman had several hospital visits and indeed was refused care by another hospital due to lack of insurance and $100. The woman’s family and the sheriff who told Clinton the story have confirmed its validity. Rather than seeking to validate the truth, the media rushed to brand her a liar.
Things like this have happened throughout the campaign. Obama’s “lies” and “distortions” receive very little attention. This is patently unfair. The Democrats are supposed to be “fair.” Because they are not — I refuse to support them anymore (add Florida and Michigan to this analysis — and my opinion becomes even more forceful). The lack of fairness contradicts everthing the party claims to support, including the “narrative” advanced by Obama and his supporters. He is a “dignified” and “righteous” individual — getting success in large part based on the most vitriolic sexism I have seen in US political history. If Democrats do not take a stand against this, then who will? If Democrats do not take a stand against this, then why are we any better than the Republicans?
As a civil rights activist, I cannot endorse a party that embraces sexism, that portrays a black man as the “post-racial” answer to their guilt, and that dismisses poor voters and Latinos as universally racist, uneducated and therefore lacking judgment. I refuse to support a party that views lifetime involvement with the Democratic party negatively — as presenting “more of the same.” I refuse to vote for a party that devalues the wisdom of an older generation of voters who have spent their entire lives trying to make change: saying they are “stuck in the past” is childish and petty. Obama and his followers have all said these things. But these are not my values. So, denying Obama my vote is not about being a “sore loser”; instead, it is a principled decision based on a lifetime of work.
Proud Democratic Defector

The only reason this story about Obama being out of touch with the middle class came up on Friday is because Bill Clinton got caught telling these lies about his wife’s lies. I am SICK OF THE CLINTONS. Go away.

People who painstakingly look at the pixels miss looking at the big picture of the ECONOMY, Iraq War, Energy Independence, Health Care. The only one who can even come close to delivering on these issues is Hillary. McCain will not mess up Iraq War but Obama is so inexperienced that he will fail us on all four. Look at the pixels and all pictures look the same but Americans, please take a moment to look at the big picture. See who has the ideas. Who has the strength to take a stance? Who is strong enough to ask the tough questions of the experts around them? And ask yourselves who can deliver on all four of these big issues. That will be your choice. Hillary comes out so far ahead. Lose not the goal because you have spent your time looking at the small mishaps.

Instead of “Political Punch”, why not call this blog, “Political Gossip”? Most of the posters here probably can’t even tell you the difference between the three main candidates positions on education, health care, and the war in Afghanistan. But they know who slipped up verbally and when. It’s apparent, from ABC’s articles today, that it’s more important to wonder if Obama slipped up when he talked about bitter Pennsylvanians than it is to talk about whether or not he has a plan or ability to help bitter Pennsylvanians. Is it any wonder that, in a college journalism class of top students, 11 of 18 didn’t know what country Kabul is in?

Bill is experiencing senility.

What are the real issue facing american today Bill?

does Bill Clinton practice low or he is still disbared for lying under oath?

My God in Heaven, to compare a poor choice of words to outright lies and a long history of treachery to the working class of America is unfathomable to me. Ultimately if white America is truly as racist and stupid as the media, Clinton and McCain hopes, we are truly doomed. Is he guilty of being a city slicker with little or no understanding of rural life? Maybe, but so what. Is that his biggest crime and now the media jumps on to it like flies on horseshit? Obviously. He on the other hand, is not out of touch with the overlapping foundation of concerns and frustrations in small town America, because those things are shared by working Americans everywhere.
Please forgive the tone of my comments. Finally rural America is getting attention, but from my view, Clinton, McCain and the media are attempting to trivialize the seriousness of the larger problems. There are approximately 60 Million people living in rural America and 30% of that population produces a large percentage of the world’s food supply and our importance to the strength of America is very important. If rural America is ignored and marginalized, we are in real trouble as a nation. The crumbling or non-existant infrastructure of rural areas is not dissimilar to the struggles and challenges that were exposed in the Katrina tragedy. These challenges are the things that we must face as a nation that puts people and prinicples ahead of greed. Greed is the real enemy of us all and Indifference and Ignorance are its helpmates.