LGBT Rights Group Faults CNN, Not Candidates, for Choosing Messiah College

The pertinent question is not who selected the venue. It is who selected the audience and the questioners in the audience.
It was a poof show. Some questions were silly (Do you believe the world was created in six days? No. Do you?). But the substantive questions such as “Do you endorse the tenets of Black Liberation Theology” were never asked. Why? Probably because Obama made the deal that no such questions would be asked before he accepted the gig.
BTW: Hillary bested Obama in that one clearly. She gave thoughtful answers. He ducked and weaved.

len…you and I must have watched two separate forums….I thought Obama did great. Hillary seemed stuck on her childhood. Every other sentence was” since I was a child”….We need to relate to her NOW….who is she NOW…only her hairdresser knows…

Honestly no Macain would not have gotten the same respect as the Obama and clinton got from the Humans rights group. But he should be granted the same respect by them.

McCain would be chastised, and harassed by the gay community. They are unfriendly to people who do not believe in it. Which in not right from someone who says they are for Human Rights, as these people do.
Obama has won their heart and 100% support. He promised them marriage and benefits and went as far as Federal benefits.
I am an avid believer that gay is a personal choice, of how one wants to have Sex, and their own sexual pleasure. It should be kept in the privacy of ones bedroom.

This is a non-issue. I am a 40-something lesbian, and am not offended. it would have been perhaps better received by some had it been in a different venue, but the facts remain true….both are avid supporters of my civil rights, and that’s good enough for me. I am more interested in reading about the news trickling out of a Chicago courtroom today, so I am heading to the Trib and Sun.

Has anybody else noticed that the deluge of bitter Pennsylvanians has gone done to a mere trickle? If I didn’t know better, I’d say they were all plants from Obama’s ‘excuse squad’?
Surely the real voters in Pennsylvania were too busy polishing up their arsenals and brushing up on the finer details of the immigration issue.

I’m like Reverend Wright! I say goddamn the Christian right wingnuts who want to say how I should live my life! They claim some papyrus is the word of god and from that they know it all! Only problem is none of these people even follow thier own invented god’s teachings. Look at the “christian” liars and fools – Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice who run our country and are all war criminals. Goddamn all gods and all religions! Religion is killing the world!

I realize that Cindy. It is a matter of the preferences one has for religious involvement. She took the time to think about the answer and was genuine about her feelings. She explained that privacy was essential. She described her feelings without trying to be theological. It was a risky forum for a modern politician to attend and I commend them both for taking the risks.
Still, Obama will have to step up to Black Liberation Theology at some point. The entire outline of his life is one of radical involvement. I believe the current Guilt Factor is causing the electorate to overlook many things any one of which would be a career killer four years ago. The question is, is this a sign of growth in the electorate or self-inflicted naivete where boomers who want to be young coalesce with the young giving us a witches brew of self-deception and lack of wisdom about the dangers of electing a man with no center?
The debate tomorrow night will be a dud like the forum or a real barn burner.

OhOh! We are really in for it, folks. The Wednesday Night Fights, sponsored by your local beer company, between Beltin’ Hillary and the Elite Bowler/Drinker has a problem. What if George Stephanopolous doesn’t show up? Who will moderate the program? Do you think the Pope might do it…he’s in town. Jake, do you think we might have a problem with that? This stuff is important news, you know.

“If we’d remember Separation of Church and State and “No Religious Test” this problem would never have come up in the first place. We shouldn’t be having faith discussions with presidential candidates held at religious colleges. The faith/religion, or lack of such, by candidates, should not be a factor in their candidacy. We’re supposed to be electing a president here, not a reverend.”
What SHE said! And deliverance from the mixing of “gay” civil rights with religion — which has pretty much wrecked the churches over the last several years — is devoutly to be wished.

John
Hillary has had a long standing policy on gay rights.
She also has been an advocate for increased “hate crime” legislation…Obama has often wavered until recently on even supporting Civil Unions.
Like on most policy and position Obama’s were developed after Hillary submitted hers…and then after you take the meat out (like not going for universal healthcare) you have Obama’s positions.
He doesn’t care for small town America I wonder how he really feels about gays? I also wonder at how he is attacking so much (he usually has his campaign do it) Wonder if Wright wore off on him?

That Messiah College statement demonstrates how right-wing Christians suddenly do not regard lying as a sin when it involves lying about gays and lesbians.
Despite all the nice happy talk about individuals and respect, the statement buried the critical point: “The College does define a wide range of behavior expectations—including both heterosexual and homosexual behavior—for students that are based on its understanding of Scripture.”
What that means — in non-disingenuous English — is that straight students may hold hands, kiss, date, and get married. Gay students, however, must either pretend to be straight or else avoid all hand-holding, kissing, dating, or any other form of affectionate relationship — or else be expelled.
So much for individuals, searching, and respectful disagreement.
And laughably absurd, of course, is the doublespeak of “help[ing] students *think critically* about these issues *from a faith perspective*.” So students may sit around and compare Bible verses but the second they look outside the four corners of the “faith perspective” — when their inquiry becomes critical of the faith perspective itself — the school rushes in to suppress dialogue.
And they wonder why they have a hard time getting into decedent graduate and professional schools.