Harry Reid: Nominee will be chosen before July 1

Where is he coming up with the end of June bit? The last primary is at the beginning of June and the convention is in August. What magical event is happening to close this out by July 1?

He must be talking about the super delegates deciding. But what about the delegates in Mi and Fl. Do they have a plan to seat them.

According to Dean, the plan is to seat MI and FL after the nominee has been established. Sounds like a great plan. Let them have no say in the primary and then “let” them be participants in the convention and expect them to be gracious in the general election. It’s a flawless plan…for the Republicans.

Harry is pretty good at talking about things he knows nothing about. Remember we lost in Iraq 9 months ago according to Harry-how did that work out?

Homeowners in trouble were stupid for taking loans they couldn’t pay back. Their troubles are of their own making. Spare me the guilt trip.

If the DNC decides on a candidate by July 1st, on July 2nd the ads with Obama in the Trinity United Church and Rev Wright on his rants will be running.
That and excuding MI and Fl to win will ensure another Republican victory thanks to Mr Dean, Mr Reid and Ms Pelosi. Hopefully, they all lose their jobs shortly thereafter.
When will the Democrats learn?

What’s wrong with some of the officials and Super-delegates of the Democratic Party?
They are really divided among themselves, largely, for the sake of political expediency. Some of them say that they would strictly follow the popular vote; some others say they follow the pledged delegates in their respective constituencies. Still some others say that they want to be on the side of history because an African American is a candidate of their choice for president. Some of those super-delegates who are in suspense not to support either Hillary or Obama now, are trying to indicate their leanings toward one or the other. Some party insiders fuel the media by saying that Hillary will not be able to surmount Obama’s pledged delegates. It is really sad to witness this one-sided political trend by certain interested individuals and being eagerly promoted by the media frenzy.
Whether Supper-delegate, pledged delegate, the NDC, or any member of the Democratic Party, it is imperative that all of them should restrain themselves and demonstrate their allegiance to the Party rather than commitment to any individual candidate while voting is in progress. Vey few of the super-delegates say that they hold an independent view for making a decision to nominate a candidate irrespective of their constituencies. A very few super-delegates also say that they have been influenced by their children or grandchildren, who support Obama, to make a decision rather than a reasoned objective assessment of the character, leadership quality, experience of the candidate and without taking into account the general interest of the country. No matter what the oratory capacity of an individual may be, if a person is elected president without having the necessary experience in both domestic and international affairs, history clearly demonstrates that the country will face problems that will have incalculable and far reaching consequences. The ‘fiasco of the Bay of Pigs” in Cuba and the early 1960s and the U.S involvement in Vietnam are clear examples of a lack of experience even though the president at that time was a visionary and an orator. Experience counts more. As a result, Cuba remained as ‘a bone in the throat’ of 11 successive Presidents of the United Sates for 49 years. The failure of that adventure in Cuba has led to the Cuban Missile Crisis in the early 1960s.
While still the primary campaigns are going on, a few super-delegates want Hillary to quit the campaign in favor of Obama. Some of the Democratic Party insiders are sending signals in support of Obama and clearly trying to influence the outcome of the ongoing primaries. This is an unfair treatment of Hillary Clinton. This divided posture of the Democratic Party will not enhance the road to the White House for the candidate to be nominated. Regardless of their individual motives, Democratic Party officials, super-delegates, delegates, the NDC, individual party members must uphold the core value of the Democratic Party to sustain an unfledged unity in order to win the general election next November.
What surprises me most is that some people, either unwillingly or purposely, do not want to distinguish between Hillary Clinton and former President Clinton. Hillary Clinton is a candidate for president Bill Clinton is not. We have to judge them individually on the basis of their merits regardless of their marital relationship. Bill Clinton is only a supporter and not a candidate.
When assessing all the varied opinions emanating from the Democratic Party insiders, it appears that the Democratic Party is overtaken by Left Leaning individuals. Loyalty to an individual over loyalty to the Democratic Party will be considered as a political plunder which will negatively reflect on the party unity for a long time to come.
Lately, some super-delegates are jumping on Obama’s bandwagon for political expediency and based on a misguided notion that Obama is unbeatable because of his oratory and rhetorical speech. Unfairly treating one candidate and favoring another while voting is in progress does not bode well for the Democratic Party. A marathon by Party officials and some super-delegates to make untimely decision is the worst kind of political blunder.
I thought that we would learn a lot from the experience of our party officials and senior super-delegates. However, when viewing their recent behaviors, I feel that I’m really unlearning. We should all remember that, one way or another, this political turmoil will come to an end but for what we have done, what we are doing now and what we will be doing in the future, we shall not escape the verdict of history.
We urge our party officials, super-delegates and other party operatives to refrain from putting undue pressure on Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama, act judiciously and collectively to uphold the unity of the Democratic Party and to protect the interest of the United States.
Getahun Leta
gtoera@aol.com

s.b. – That is just plain logic, the stuff that folks over at the DNC have not tapped into just yet.

Why does TV let Hillary Clinton off the hook so easily? She makes a boldface lie and then says O I miss spoke. Goes on Leno and jokes about it but no one brings it up again that she LIED. Just like her husband / I never had seual relations with that woman. LIES!!

I already know what will happen.
After chosing Obama,
The DNC will seat Florida and Michigan according to the January primary.
Either way, its a win/win situation for Obama to have the superdelegate decide by July 1
The only way Hillary has a chance is if this goes to the convention
Looking more and more every day that it won’t
Hillary is done
Maybe she’ll run 2016

John McCain will definitely win Fla. and maybe Michigan if Dean has his way. Oh wait, isn’t he supposed to be a Democrat??? Wake up, Mr. Dean, Mr. Reid, and Ms. Pelosi.

ooops,
It was a brilliant Republican strategy to move up the FL and MI primaries. They already had a plan in place (strip the delegates in half) and catch the Democrates off gaurd. Then, just watch the Dems (Dean) fumble and bumble around. Just wait, McCain will be announcing Christ as his V.P. for a “job well done”.
Believe me, they WANT Obama as the nominee. And their handywork just might deliver.
Problem is, no one knows what Hillary might do. Maybe run independent…..As she should after the way she’s been treated.

Why don’t the pooh-poohed mouth boxes, Dean, Reid, Pelosi just come out and tell the truth, the have choosen Obama – it’s done!

SadStateofAffairs: I agree with you about the Republican involvement in the moving up of the primary date in FL. The Republican majority in both houses of the Florida legislature allowed them to dictate the terms of the bill that moved the primary up.
But I also feel that the DNC was involved as well. Obama was clearly their “chosen one” too. The DNC did not even follow their own rules regarding sanctions applied to Florida. And Michigan. They could have applied leniency and didn’t.

Convention 08′
So are you saying that the Dems are being overtaken by Libs? A change in priniples? Is the party being overthrown? Kinda looks that way huh?
I don’t know Reid. I do know a smiggin about Pelosi. Long line of Politicians, San Fran imbedded. Love San Fran BTW, but a lot of people there can be pretty fringe.
I’ve never been an activist, but this election has so much at stake, I can’t help but engage.
Most worriesome is the economy. If a country doesn’t have cash flow, it can not fight a war, of any kind. And seriously, I think our only hope is Clinton. In my neck of the woods, office space is unoccupied an average rate of 28%. Forclosures…who knows? But I can tell you it’s getting really bad. It’s ugly and getting worse by the day.
Why the dems would support an empty suit is beyond me. Even people in Chicago are saying Barack has never done anything to help the poor, economy, or anything else to improve conditions there. So what gives?

SadStateofAffairs: I also believe that our only hope is Hillary Clinton. (the economy, health care, education, Iraq, etc., etc.)
It does seem quite unbelievable that the Dems would support an empty suit. But it certainly does seem that way. And the MSM does too. From what I have been reading, it seems that the Dems do not want Hillary Clinton. They want someone inexperienced –someone they can control.
If you’ve been watching cable news lately, (if you can even stand to) they are now in full attack mode. They are so mad that she is fighting back. She’s playing hardball.

SuziQ,
Taxes are the issue. As is the war that’s bleeding our tax dollars dry, not to mention our ill fated trade policies.
We have a broken government. Period. Who can fix this? McCain. Obama. Clinton.
We don’t know. What we do know is there are three people we can choose from. I’m going to bet my wager on the guy who sat in a POW camp for 5 years protecting our nation or a women who has spent her entire life trying to better our nation. That’s what I know.

The DNC made Obama unelectable when they decided Florida and Michigan didn’t deserve a revote!

Well I agree that this war is expensive – and possibly more expensive than it needed to be. I, unlike so many here, thought that we had to do something to show the bastards who incinerated over 3k of our innocent civilians, that we weren’t going to take it anymore. So we threw the Taliban out of power and then Saddam, who was paying 25k to the families of suicide bombers and who defied numerous UN resolutions – thinking there would be no consequence since there had been none before and that he had bought off all the important people through the “Oil for Food”. And, for the record, his abuses of his people were so horrible that I will not repeat some of the 1st hand stories I’ve heard. He was a monster and made a point of being an international threat and EVERYONE knew it. There are many statements available on the net that show there was a consensus on this.
So, yeah, the war was expensive. But it is the duty of our federal government to protect us…not give us freebies, not pay for my house when I buy something I can’t afford, not to bail out businesses when they screw up….the federal government is supposed to do what we can’t do for ourselves – protect us. So far, they have despite the continual interference from those who would prefer their party to win over the safety of the citizens.
I don’t think either Hillary or Obama will pull the troops out if they get in the WH. Saying they will is what Hillary calls “media strategy” otherwise known as lying. At least McCain is honest about it. War has been declared on us and wishing it weren’t so won’t make it go away…unless we surrender and start praying 5 times a day, etc. I imagine not too many here wouldn’t regret these consequences of pacifism should we end up paying the price.

Suzi Q, my dad was a WW2 fighter pilot. He said that any canidate who says we can pull our troops out of Iraq is delusional. Ok those weren’t his exact words but he said we made this mess and now it our responsibility to see it through. He is a republican but has always been against this war because it wasn’t declared on us. We went in there when we should have had all our troops in Afganistan

Maryland,
I also know people I respect who believe that Iraq was a mistake. I personally have mixed feeling on this but one thing for sure….there was a consensus in the Congress to go into Iraq – well except maybe Obama and Cynthia McKinney. From what I can tell, since Obama apparently thinks talking to those sworn to kill you or enslave you will work, he probably is the reincarnation of Neville Chamberlain – as told in the book “Why England Slept” written by President Kennedy.

SadState….
The only thing I can say is that the youth has been awakened in this country because of Obama. But they are not as vulnerable as I was when I was in college. I am 53 and must say I knew nothing about politics when I was younger. I really didn’t care. But my college aged kids are so into politics as all of their friends are. This is their number 1 conservation now. The dynamics in this country is changing. I don’t know if it’s good or bad, we shall see.

The parents want to be buddies to their kids. They don’t want to impart the wisdom that comes with experience.
Hillary 08!

I think Obama appeals to the naive – which includes most of the young. Wishful thinking doesn’t play out in international dealings with bad guys.

Can anyone enlighten me on who Harry Reid is, and why he is where he is?

Kevin P, these same kids are sent to war to fight for our country. Should they practice first. So I guess they have a say don’t you think

SuziQ.
Who is Harry Ried?

Sad,
Not sure I understand your question since you’re surely not asking who the Senate majority leader is. I don’t like the guy ….btw.
Maybe we can agree that there is a lousy crop of candidates this year. The decent ones were run off by the crazed power mongers and/or the ones who will willing to sell their souls. I’m disgusted with the whole thing and intend to vote for the one who will screw up things the least.

Well, he was FAR from my first choice….but I will go with McCain.
He refused to jump the line and get early release from POW camp that was offered to him because his father was an Admiral. There is a military code that says the first man in is the first man out and McCain chose not to violate this and consequently suffered more years of torture, as he knew he would. He has a sense of honor that most of us will never have to choose. I admire him for that. How different from Hillary lying and then joking about sniper fire and then Hillary shockingly joking last night on Leno about being in the Hanoi Hilton – the place where McCain and his fellow POWs were subjected to terrible torture that affects McCain to this day.
A person with incredible honor….I will go with him for that.

If Obama is the nominee, and he loses….
we can thank the MEDIA!

@ Ton
The Daily Kos is a hate site.
and why aren’t they making a big deal about the obama/iraq scandal?
BIASED!!!!!!!

@Don,
I am not quite sure I agree with you that Daily Kos is a hate site. They have pro-clinton news on that site as well -
OK to the Obama/Iraq issue:
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Yeah… I asked foxnews.com where I read the story first to point me to the original resource of the Story, but they have not responded. I will try that with NYTIMES, but I doubt if they will respond either. I have read all of “Colin Kahl”( who is an assistant professor in the Security Studies Program at Georgetown University and a Fellow at CNAS) policy papers posted on the website of “Center for new American Security” and can not find any reference to the details raised in either the foxnews article or the NYtimes article; although the articles available on the websites are policy briefs. Don, could you please point me in the direction of the original source of that article or are you just smearing Obama?
Furthermore, it’s interesting to note that just Foxnews (a media house clearly against the Obama’s candidacy and have been smearing Obama) and the NYTIMES, which has endorsed HRC is pushing this news. Then as a way to distract attention, HRC and her camp. quickly released her tax return to squash the Mark Penn Columbiagate lobbying story. This is not the kind of politics we can trust. We need our politicians to be trusted, and I am sorry HRC in my opinion is not one of those. Too bad and by the way I am an informed conservative republican.

There was a time when Democrats viewed their candidates as interchangeable in the President and Veep role, but due to recent events not anymore.
Obama supporters attacking Clinton supporters.
Clinton supporters attacking Obama supporters.
The obvious media bias.
The “who had a bigger gaffe” argument.
The “that adviser should be fired” argument.
The “race/gender/racism/sexism” argument.
The “experience” argument.
The “Florida and Michigan” argument.
We are going to be divided and John McCain will win.

Who cares what Harry Reid or that awful Nancy Pelosi says. Maybe Reid and Pelsoi should concerns themselves with the fact that the people of this nation gave them the authority to do many things in the last election. However, as history will record they did nothing…….but run their mouths.

jackson,
what is your point?
It looks to me the the clintons have given a lot of money to charity. From what I heard last night-the talking heads and reporters spending this weekend pouring over their taxes probally think what saps they are for paying so much in taxes. my spouse and i try to give to charities every year
and after hearing what percentage of their income to charity-we fall quite a bit short. bill clinton has always talked about how the the bush adm. gave a tax break to the people in his tax bracket.and as far as people complaining about how much he gets for giving speeches-I think they are just envious of them. cspan is the last bit of what i call untainted media. and this am on open phones-they asked if the clinton taxes were relevant? most people did not think so. but what I want to know is did anyone go over obama and mcclains taxes? I don’t know, and I do not care about their taxes-I want to know what Hillary is going to do for me when she becomes president.

For anyone who has not read “Giving” it’s a fantastic read!

Anybody But Obama….ABO….Anybody But Obama…If not Clinton then McCain.

Democratic delegates, and I mean ALL delegates need to take a long hard look at the electoral college votes before deciding on the nominee.
Many of the super delegates are just rying to gain favour and funding for their own re-election, and dont care if he can win the white house, which he can’t.
The delegates need to consider polls in swing states such as Ohio, Pennsylavania, Florida and Michigan right up to convention and decide if they want a Democratic President in the white house or not.
Or if they want to support supper delegates who are only interested in their own races and taking money from Obama.
Money won’t win Obama the white house. he is unelectable in too many states.

You guys have been screaming for the Clinton’s to release their tax returns and now that they have, the best you can come up with is that it is somewhat sneaky to release them on a Friday? Since when have you known the MSM to rest on the weekends? It’s not like the Clinton’s didn’t know that they are going to be scrutinized.
Gee, give you an inch and you want a mile.

LOM
That is a standard ploy that they used over and over during their administration and it’s now used by many politicians who hope to diminish the impact of news they want everyone to forget.
i bet if Clinton wasn’t in danger of losing we wouldn’t be seeing these now.

Harry Reid and Barack Obama did a movie together. So I guess you could say it’s pretty obvious who Reid is backing.
Throw the bums out……

the reason why I say he has torn the party apart with the help of the media-back when people (especially people in the black community) were still saying we do not know obama-if the media people had done their jobs back then-we would have known what we know now about obama and wright and there are a lot of people black and white who would not have thrown their vote away-buying into the designer-media sell of obama.
what were they doing-instead of trying to find out all about the new guy? running over the old stuff about the clintons-(what a lazy way to earn so much money) don’t get out there and do some real investigating-recycle the old stuff-because we all know we can pacify the voters with clinton dirt-real or unreal. and while we are over there salivating-gritting and grinding our teeth about hate those clintons-the dem elite, far left of the party-slide obama right on by us. and after we get satisfied chewing on the clintons-we will then turn around and come to our senses just in time for John Mcain to become president mccain. and more war-and more bad ecomony.

I hate to say it but tune in to FOX News if you want a c;earer picture of Clinton,Obama and McCain. Sure, it is a conservation viewpoint but at least the candidates resemble themselves and are not Glossed over in Gold as one candidate is when viewing MSNBC<NBC<CBS<CNN and ABC. Although I did hear Lou Dobbs the other night complain about the media bias against Clinton and For Obama..said it is the worst he's ever seen. Go ahead and have your lovefest now..it won't be a long term marriage.

ok, obama is on his network-cnn-telling people in north dakota what they should already know. I cannot believe how educated, intelligent people are so eager to have someone just bs to them. and they just lap it up. I have not listened to him today-I wonder if he has
used any of hillary’ lines from yesterday?
If anyone would just listen to hillary and then listen to obama-their choice would be clear. Hillary-obama copies
her.

Did anyone see Clinton on Cramer’s Mad Money the other day? She was amazing and kept answering all of his rapid fire questions with clearly thought out solutions. If I EVER saw a session like that with Obama, I would have no problem supporting him in this primary election. She continually shows her command of the major issues and in this case, clear solutions for the ECONOMY.

jgaw-WOW, you really blow my mind!!!i have read so many of your posts across the various topics on this site, and continue to be amazed at your insight. i do not think i have ever read anything on these sites that gives me the sense that the writer really is colorblind! i really am impressed, and moved, by your ability to do that. we could all learn from you. thanks so much, there is hope.

Oh, brother! *rolls eyes*
I give Harry Reid as much Credibility as I do Farrakhan.
Dont’ forget people… this is a man [reid] who interrupted Nancy Pelosi to wrap his smarmy hands around her shoulders as she was giving a speech to tell everybody how proud he was…
Shut up reid, and be a grown up and don’t interrupt people when they’re speaking… you’ll get your turn.

I agree 100% with Vickie. Don’t discount the millions of us out here. No way we will vote for Obama. He is bad news for the country.All these people swooning at his feet and don’t even know what he’s about.jgaw has it right too. Obama is taking advantage of the Black support for his own gains. I hope the Democratic Party bosses will come to their collective senses or we will have John McCain in The White House next January. Obama is a master at HOODWINKING and “OBAMBOOzaling”.

I find both humorous and disturbing this continuous notion of those who support Obama being classified as naive, and I find equally disturbing the increasing use of republican terms, and tactics, such as elitist, to classify hard working democrats.
More than that though, I see far more republicans looking in the mirror, and recognizing themselves discribed in unsavory terms, have taken those terms and leveled them at democrats.
Anything to pass the buck I guess.

By the way… will someone please tell Nader, McCain and Clinton there’s a Corvair in the parking lot with their name on it.

James in Idaho: what part “of obama is 1/2 black AND 1/2 white” don’t you understand?

The part where that bares any relevance to the issue?
What part of irrelevant aren’t you getting?
Sorry, but you’re focusing in on nonsense issues. I wouldn’t care if he was pink with purple and yellow polka dots.
Again, what’s your point?

@pp
Apparently that IS the issue where HillaryistheOne is concerned…. otherwise, why keep bringing it up?
He also isn’t just about pretty speeches, or at least he is to the same extent that Malcom X and Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was, or Bobby Kennedy was. See what I mean?
The meat of his campaign is motivation. Bringing power back to the people where it belongs.
Does he have policies you and I disagree with? YES! That does not disqualify him as a viable candidate. Again, you seem to be more interested in delegitimizing his campaign efforts rather than putting forth viable reasons to elect either Hillary or McCain.
Spin is promoted over facts.
Obama votes present on a bill instead of yes or no that deals with Late term/partial birth Abortions… Spin; Obama promotes killing babies… fact; The bill was itself just a veiled attempt to turn doctors just doing their jobs into felons, and to criminalize all forms of abortion everywhere. It attempted to turn pregnancy into punishment.
Obama’s pastor says controversial things about the government to the point of damnation and hellfire; spin… Obama is just another America hater posing as an American… Fact; What your pastor says has nothing to do with you. Seriously, that’s like me maligning you because your neighbor was arrested last night for child molestation. Ya right, cause you knew about it and did nothing?
Seriously think about it before you jump off that cliff.

They devalue her campaign by bringing gender into it at all.
I wouldn’t care if she was a hermaphrodite. Get it?! Her gender ISN’T an issue. YOU and people like oyu are PROMOTING it as an issue.

Why is MIXED even an issue?

James in Idaho: I do not see black or mixed as a “problem”—-you seem to, however—-you called obama a “black man” in your earlier post, and I was pointing out to you that Barack obama is, in fact, FOR A FACT, NOT “BLACK, but 1/2 black and 1/2 white. His RACE is NOT solely “black”.

“I don’t have a problem with black people. I would vote for a black candidate for President—-a man OR woman, but not this obama candidate, who is “mixed” and not a good leader—–THAT is why I won’t vote for him. He isn’t a good “leader”.”
Oh, I see, so oyu don’t have aproblem with black people… just mixed people?
Again, why is it an issue?

.. wasn’t President Harding a tad Black?
If so, than b o couldn’t even BE our first Black president ever?
Thus, everything is kosher, and you can ALL vote for the most qualified candidate and make her the First Woman President of these United States!
Give ‘em hell, Hillary ;-)

I’m not being funny I am being observant, and as far as the rest of your post here… that’s good for you… that’s YOUR opinon. Do what you want, but in doing so don’t just up and decide that anyone running against your candidate is Eeeeeeviiiiil. Which is certainly what is going on on many websites.
See?

hillaryis the one,
the solution is probably going to be a viable third party.
i am a die hard democrat, but after this nomination process, i may leave the party. i have just become to bitter and angry with so many of the party…peons like me, as well as, the big mucky-mucks, ie., superdelegates.

Give it UP, James in Idaho…….you clearly do not understand what I was saying, and NOTHING I say is gonna get you to see what I was saying……

pp: I have to agree with you, actually…..after this election I hope that there is a 3rd Party, also—-people need more than 2 choices. It’s to their advantage.
I almost wish we could follow other countries’ leads and cut our Nomination selection elections and Presidential Elections down to just 6 months and limit the amount spent to a certain reasonable amount, that is THE SAME FOR ALL CANDIDATES—”hey, candidate—-that $ amount is ALL YOU GET, and you ALSO have only 6 MONTHS to campaign, too” !!

hillary is the one–this may well open up a can of worms, but is not the intent. carville and begala wrote a tremendous book for the democrats called “take it back”. among many of their ideas/suggestions was a way to finance the elections. really some pretty cool ideas about most issues facing all of us.. if you are really interested in solutions,ideas, and how to shape their presentation in a way that really explains where we as democrats are(were) coming from, it may be interesting for you to read.
hope we both can find our new “home”.

Actually, the idea of an Independant party is an oxy-moron, and offensive to me.
That would just make Independant thinking more of an abstract, and all independant thought would be attached to other members of that party, rather than being seen as an individuals ideas of their own.
Being an independant means independant. Sure a democt or a republican can get my vote, but I owe allegiance to neither of them.

Someone stated here that our kids can be trusted to choose our next leader (Obama) because they’re wise since they can google anything. Apparently they aren’t googling or they would not be falling for Obama’s “Yes we can!” hook, line, and sinker. Hitler targeted youth. Think about it.

Jgaw, the part of 1990s which were horrible include Scandals related to the Clintons, House and Senat taken over by republicans, presidency taken over by the republicans, bombardements of Bosnia, etc. The only one candidate who has a plan to stop the war in Irak, make college affordable, address the economic recession, unite America and get it back to lead the world,is Obama. God bless America and God bless Obama. OBAMA087.

Harry Reid, D-Nev., pooh-poohed talk of deep divisions being created by the protracted Democratic presidential contest.”The negative toll on Obama and Clinton will end five minutes after the nominee is chosen.
If Obama is chosen 29% of Hillary’s supporters will jump ship. IF Hillary is chosen 16% of the Obama’s voters will jump ship.
Not the Canadates but the DNC better get their act together. This is not a slam dunk shoo in for dems. Alot of Pugs are switching parties to throw their numbers off.
Im a Florida voter and unless my vote is counted and the florida delegates are seated then and only then will this voter decide to vote at all. Im not alone and there is over 1.7 million voters who have been disenfrancised.