In Oregon, Clinton Makes False Claim About Her Iraq Record Vs. Obama’s

More lies. How can anyone trust anything this woman says anymore?

Hillary continues to live in fantasy world of her own making. Finally the media is calling her on it. Well done Jake.

This is excellent reporting, Jake, exactly the the kind of fact finding and checking we need journalists for, now more than ever.
The problem with all this is: just as there are still people who worship Michael Jackson, there will always people who think that Clinton simply ‘has it right’ and that she does NOT not have earned her reputation of an untrustworthy politician who has a pathological habit of lying and spinning the truth.
The worst part in the Oregon speech IMO was that she was not even prepared to judge her own vote for the Iraq war. It was not right or wrong, for, as Clinton stated, ‘only future historians can tell.’
That is exactly what Bush himself said on this war. But now that Clinton said it as well, she has proven that she has a total lack of judgment, not only on day 1 but EVEN after 5 years, 4000 American deaths, and the total chaos in Iraq… Only future historians can tell.
She has proven, in other words, that in no way she is fit to be our President. She does not only have no judgment and no honesty, she even hasn’t got the guts and the character to confess that voting for the war was wrong and a grave mistake. Other Senators have done so, but not Hillary.

poor lady, she’s always misspoked

Caugth pants down again!!!!I had a dream!! Barack Obama looks presidential,Hillary and McCain don’t

Why does the Clinton campaign keep doing this? Are her advisors idiots? She is a bright woman and how about rather than rewriting history, she just takes a stand? America will stand behind someone who believes in their actions. Double if they have the courage to admit when they are wrong. This garbage all sounds like “it depends on what the definition of is is”. It really is disappointing coming from someone as intelligent as she is and it gives an air of desperation and of a campaign imploding.

Could the Obama bashers stop spamming these blogs and instead focus on the issue of this thread?
Jake did some serious reporting here. If you disagree on his findings, your comments are more than welcome. But stop spoiling this site by simply copying and pasting stuff from the anti-Obama sites out there that has no relevance for the subject of this thread.
This is about a comparison of Obama’s and Clinton’s anti-war stands, the history of it, and Clinton’s current rewriting of that history.

Yea, and I’m sure someone told her she was being shot at by snipers in Bosnia…
The same way she helped bring health care to thousands of children in America…
false
It was Ted Kennedy and some other guy
The same way she opposed the Iraqi War before Obama
The same way she signed a document of Michigan and Florida not counting and even spoke to a radio station (when she was the “inevitable” nominee) of how she would go back into these states and repair the damage
oh no
But now that it seems she stands no chance without these states to capture the nomination
Florida and Michigan should count???
The same way she brought “peace” to Northern Ireland???
The same way her chief strategist is a LOBBYIST
The same way she “wink wink” to the Canadians about NAFTA and Obama took blame
Too much of the same…
Obama08

here is vanessa again spinning like a top,question ,what about obama’s multiplechoice answers about rev wright ,which is the wright answer,which answer about iraq is the wright one ,which answer about the home mortage crises should we beleive,the one he talks about on the stump or the one he tells his finance chair[former bank chairman that went broke over bad choices on funny mortage lending]and the other bankers he recently taked to on the street.which choice do you like ,he flip flops like a fish.

@ don tufts…
Isn’t that a little like the pot calling the kettle black (speaking of spin) ?

Why is it that this lady keep saying all of these lies.
What is she on drugs? What is going on in her campaign?
I just don’t know what to say anymore.

Who cares what lie she tells,all i know is clinton is out,period. She is just there fighting for 2012 nomination,she hopes to damage Obama so that she can be able to run again.

RE: Comments from Ken and Don.
Actually, that has been my experience throughout this campaign – the level of ugly, un-related, and out-of-context attacks on Obama’s character from Clinton’s supporters is notable… and troubleing. It’s not simply that they don’t agree with his policies and positions – they irrationally attack his message of hope and healing. Sad! My observation is that they are simply parroting their candidate. Isn’t this campaign a potent example of what a Hillary Clinton presidency would look like?

here is the problem.how can you trust someone for potus to properly look out for us interests in the world that has in his own words sought out marxist professors in collage,sought out and joined a black liberation church and that has associated with a former weather underground member that was dedicated to the overthrow of the us government.thease are actions and not words,this is far more serious than having a date wrong by a few weeks.also for all of his fine words there is no proof that he truley understands the military,certainly hillary does otherwise she would not have received the endorsement of 30 former flag officers,2 former chairman of the joint cheifs among them some of the most vocal critics of the war from within the military,thease are all revalant subjects so if your calling on withdrawl you better know how to do it without it going to hell in a hand basket.

Wow…Ms.Hillary is on a roll…

The Bosnia story will definitely come back to hurt her
It plays into the Clinton “dishonesty” trait
Especially
The entire controvesy is caught on tape
She has angered military officials
Especially those who have been caught in sniper situations
Her credictability is shot down
AND
She now has to watch everything she says
because the media will look into everything etc healthcare for thousands of children, Ohio women…Northern Ireland peace process, Iraqi war

Never let facts get in the way of a good working theory.

Well documented.
Our son had a friend who, like Hillary, was told by his parents to take care of schoolyard bullying all by himself with no sympathy or support.
He turned out the same way – compulsive liar, always trying to subvert things, started a “Mafia” band in kindergarten – even stole candy from my cupboards (father was a judge, mother a schoolteacher).
Knowing the personality type, I can’t bring myself to consider voting Clinton.

This woman is not well and she needs to get some serious help!

Basically Obama said he will move troops out within 16 months, so 2010 is within the bracket. The caveat though is that the NYTIMES and FOX news both said “by the end of 2010″. I have been to the website of the “Center for New American Security (CNAS)” and read all the articles by the specified author and could not find any reference to the 60,000 to 80,000 troops. I have asked foxnews to email me the original source of the document, so I can read it myself, but there is no reply. I see this as not authentic until, I see and read the specified document. The ones on the CNAS website does not have the details specified by foxnews and new york times. I see the MSM try to shape our views and decisions and unless you do the research yourself, they will want to influence your line of thought.

Don, is that all you’ve got. Rev Wright is a dead issue. I am not identified by the talk my Pastor gave this morning and I don’t believe Obama is a carbon copy of his Pastor feelings on all issues. Isn’t it interesting that the only real objection to Obama seems to be how his friends and associates all feel about a myriad of subjects. On the other hand, the news of Clinton dishonesty seems to track directly back at her and her campaign utterances. This seems to suggest that the anti Obama gang has to pick at everything and everyone but Obama himself. If they can’t find real objections to Senator Obama I have to guess that there just isn’t much to go after. God knows if there was you’d be reading it. My point…if this is all you have on Obama I think he’s passed this scrutiny pretty well. I’m sure you’ve all done your homework.
As to ABC being on the Obama payroll, I think the greater question might be ,is the Clinton campaign on the Obama payroll? It’s their own lies that are coming back to roost with them. If you don’t want to read recounts of lies told, you might want to stop the lies. The Clinton campaign is it’s own worst enemy. They chose the road they’re on and now they complain about the potholes.

Ah give her a break; she cabn’t help it.

Make up the fairt tale as you go along, but don’t forget that Bill will edit it.

hey dingodude which owners would that be shite ,sunni or iran,and how many troops could be at risk with a unproperly timed and planned withdrawl,how will it affect the other nations in the region,what provision does it take into account that if iran and turkey invaded then what?or what if more and more extreme ethnic clensing starts what then?thease are all legitimate concerns,our withdrawl has to be done right or like i said there will be hell to pay.

ken is right, “This is about a comparison of Obama’s and Clinton’s anti-war stands, the history of it, and Clinton’s current rewriting of that history.”
Don’t Hillary supporters care about this? When the facts confirm that Hillary is lying about such a crucial issue, for a presidential candidate, as judgment in the face of war and terror, shouldn’t every American pay serious attention? We’re not in some American Idol contest here, where you simple like the blond one better than the others.
The most shocking thing about the Bush-Cheney administration has been that they have fabricated lies to drag America into this war. They betrayed America and its citizens, they betrayed US! For that reason many have suggested that Bush should been impeached, and I agree on that.
Now Hillary Clinton has shown in a series of blatant lies, spins and rewritings of history that will be fully prepared to be as untrustworthy and manipulative as our current President as been. That is serious stuff, and it concerns such a grave issue as a war in which Americans lives and American national security are at stake.
Any objective observer of Hillary’s behavior would IMO have to come to the conclusion that Mrs. Clinton has disqualified herself for the highest office, the Presidency of our great nation.

What a fine President she would make.

Let us reflect back on Mrs. Clinton’s words in OH. “I don’t think people should come to Ohio and tell the people of Ohio one thing and then have your campaign tell a foreign government something else behind closed doors,” Clinton said then. “That’s the kind of difference between talk and action and that I’ve been pointing out in this campaign.” “I would ask you to look at that story, substitute my name for Senator Obama,” she also said. “If some of my advisers had been having private meetings with foreign governments and basically saying ignore what I’m saying because it’s only political rhetoric … I think it raises serious questions.”…….FIRST SHE STIFFS THE PEOPLE IN OH WITH THE BILL, NOW HER CHIEF STRATEGIST IS MAKING TRADE AGREEMENTS IN FOREIGN COUNTRIES.

Jake
Why dont you do an article on obama spokesperson saying that the will leave troops in iraq while he says on the stump he will bring them all home. a discrepancy?

I came across a quote from Charleston Heston about Bill Clinton, “America doesn’t trust you with our 21-year-old daughters, and we sure, Lord, don’t trust you with our guns.”. I believe we could say that about Hillary, America doesn’t trust you with our country.

Every time I look on here, Yet another anti Clinton article. The media loves to print it. Haters jump all over it.
It’s getting to be laughable.

Fact is Obama lied about the troops in Iraq he wanted the support so he fed the people this line that he is going to stop the war, when he knows he cannot.
Now that the date of the GE is getting closer he is changing his tune putting it out there about the 80,000 troops to be left in Iraq.
All who bought into this he will stop the war got sucked in to his game, bought it hook, line and sinker, now watch Obama and his camp move up the talk that some kind of force has to remain in Iraq, stop the war yeah right!!!

I wonder how long her political supporters will support her. No politician can afford to be connected with someone like this.
This week they started back peddling, I suspect next week they will begin jumping ship.
Her financial backers are already doing so.

Oh come on Kurt. Didn’t you see the ridiculous “Obama smoking” post? The just haven’t found anything as newsworthy on him, but they try to keep it equal.
SJ – the fact that Obama has an advisor who disagrees with him on the rate of removal of the troops doesn’t mean he lied. Advisors do one thing: advise. Obama has gotten advice from many people on this issue, and I’m sure they don’t all agree. I, for one, am glad he’s got diverse people and opinions to help him make a good decision.

“Every time I look on here, Yet another anti Clinton article.”
What about blaming Hillary for telling lies and rewriting history? Be glad that we have journalists around who don’t take any of the candidates’ claims for granted. And it happens to be the case, telling enough, that of the three candidates left Hillary Clinton is the one who introduces lies into her speeches ALL the time. SHE IS LYING TO HER SUPPORTERS, do you get that?, and in doing so she is lying to the rest of America and the world.
So yes, any serious journalist will jump on that, for that’s the great function of journalism in a free society.
You’d be a fool to see Jake’s report as just another ‘Clinton attack’. It’s about fact finding and checking, giving reliable sources, etc. If you don’t care about these findings, you apparently don’t care about truth itself.

All the media slighting, insults, name-calling, condemnations, ridicule and even every one of the news anchors and each and every talking head on the TV attacking her; and every major news paper columnist insulting, trashing and ridiculing her, in spite of her own long time colleagues Sen. Kerry and Sen. Kennedy, Sen. Bill Bradley, Gov. Bill Richardson and may others betraying her and turning their backs on her and endorsing and campaigning for opponent─ the new kid on the block Sen. Obama─ in spite of shocking defeats and setbacks she had suffered, she had persevered, she had come back to show her power, and persistence, with more determination; more humbleness and grace. She’s my hero; my shinning knight in armor who fights relentlessly for us humble folk like us, the downtrodden and the disenfranchised, the shift workers, the poor, the immigrants, the ridiculed, the neglected; we the toilers for our hourly-wagers, the elderly and the disabled, she’s our champion! For us she cuts a heroic figure, because she keeps on fighting for us! With her determination and tenacity she had shown she’s more than ready to lead our great land; and with the help of humble folks like us─ not like snobs in the media, I know some of you in the media want to burn her on a stake, but at the end mark my words I know she will triumph over all adversity; I know she’s make history! Hillary Clinton is my Joan of Arc!

I support Obama.
Hillary’s campaign keeps changing up as they look for a way to crack Obama’s near lock on the nomination. This is what to expect from a second place candidate “in it to win it.”
Hillary’s political problem, is that as a woman, she can’t afford to look like a woman when it comes to foreign policy. She has to act tough, and aggressive to overcompensate for her natural gender based characteristics of nurturing and comforting. It really is a no win situation for her and the country.

Hillary wasnt even against the War In Iraq, till she decided to run for Office! I wouldnt believe a word she says anymore!

As a female democrat I have finally come to my senses. I renouce Hillary Clinton. I can see now that the Clintons are greedy, power-mad, liars. Why did I ever think that Hillary would somehow make my rights as a woman more secure? I must have been blinded by her rheteric. I apologize to all other democrats for my foolish support of an obviously evil person. I don’t know who to vote for, McCain or Obama, but it won’t be Hillary Rodham. I’m tired of the lies and the hate.

Many of us in private life opposed authorizing Bush to go to war. But for those serving at that time in the Senate, it was a much different atmosphere. Back in 2002 you were called unpatriotic if you dared to question the president; labeled as helping the terrorists if you raised doubt about his divine call to action. And so it was that 75% of our Senate voted for the authorization to go to war — including Senators Daschle, Dodd, Kerry, and Rockefeller I might add — all of whom work as advisors on Barack Obama’s campaign. And yes, so did Senator Hillary Clinton.
The last time we all looked, we are still in Iraq and revisionist history – woulda, shoulda, coulda, is not going to save lives or rebuild Iraq. Senator Obama has not held one meeting of a committee he chairs for Afghanistan – where we are losing ground and where the war should have been stopped had President Bush not rushed into Iraq. Obama’s last articulated position on the Iraq war is so close to Senator McCain as to be identical – even to someone whose ears are as trained as a neocon like Andrew Sullivan.
That’s the poisition I am holding him responsible for. That’s the one I’d like to hear more about, to be honest.

Who cares about who didn’t want to go to war. We’re in the war now so the question is, “What now”. Obama’s opinion has definitely changed as of late. First, he’d have all the troops out THIS MONTH. Then, he said he’d live an unspecified number of troops in for an unspecified period of time. Now, he says he’d hold off any judgment until he talked to his generals.
Obama is clearly abandoning his constituency as time move on and it becomes safer to do so. Sadly, his followers don’t seem to recognize the fact that they’re being abandoned.
Hillary has no answers and doesn’t seem to understand the question. What now democrats? An empty suit or a bag of hot air.

Carl Friedrichs – Your statement of Hillary’s weakness being that she is a woman is ridiculous. I am no fan of hers because of her political philosophy, but your statement is downright wrong. Many of the other countries have a woman in power, like Merkel for instance, and it would be great to make the arabs negotiate with a woman.

In a few weeks you will feel better. Your co-workers will understand when you jump on them. Watch out for the kids though they will not understand.
The healing process has already started, it starts when you realize that it is over, and by July you will have come back to your normal self.

Obama has good judgement. Hillary does not. She acts more like a mortgage salesman than a president. I won’t buy her for potus. Not now. Not ever. Go home Rodham, I don’t want you or your ilk governing me or my family. Please go away.

Hillary´s chickens are coming home to roost!.
she should do herself a favour by stepping aside right now as early as possible and better for her.

it’s gotten to the point that hillary lies so much about so many things that her telling the truth about anything would actually be a lie.

charleschaplin
Your comments on Senator Clinton are eloquent and the first I have seen that tell the real story. A working class hero, Senator Clinton should be portrayed as the person she is. She is the person I feel will fight for the little guy.

LOL…Obama has never lead at doing anything. He said he was a professor, he was a lecturer. He said he lead community organizing projects that actually someone else lead and he took credit for. He said he passed health care in the state senate, he just put a task force together that led nowhere. He said Rezko was just one of thousands of donors and he gave all 160000 dollars to charity when in fact He met with Rezko daily, got 250000 dollars from him and Rezko went with him to look at the house Rezko got him 300k knocked off of. He said that he didn’t hear anything Wright said, then he said he did, then he didn’t then he did but not the ones on the film. He said he passed “major” legislation on regulating Nuclear power. When in fact he watered down a bill his state needed because the plant had a leak that they didn’t notify the public about. Now that Nuclear Power company is his 4th largest contributor (Excelon) I could go on but I’m tired of listing these. You get the point. Politicians lie. Thats why I’ll take the one with actual experience, Obama is just another politician no matter what he tries to make you think. New kind of politics my ass.

Why on earth does she feel the need the rewrite History?
I don’t think the strength of a person, wether they be a politician, is to be a demi-God, someone who never does a mistake. But rather someone who accepts their limitations are a human being, and is willing to admit their mistakes and grow from them.
The incapacity of Mrs Clinton let me wonder what kind of politician she would be.
If anything, the eight years of the Bush administration taught the Americans that they don’t need a God, but rather a president.

It’s interesting to watch people who oppose Obama embrace hysterical denial of the facts the closer he comes to winning. Hillary Clinton is a liar and cannot be trusted. America does not need a Democrat version of GWB in the White House. Clinton is digging her own political grave.

Quit trashing Hillary and being so pro-Obama. Hillary relates stories that her researchers give her and sometimes they screw up. Obama is a downright liar — he first said he didn’t hear Rev. Wright’s anti-US, anti-White, anti-Jewish comments, but then the next day during his speech, he admits he lied and then says he did hear those comments. He also lied about his birth during a civil rights march, lied about Tony Resko, who is on trial for corruption, and who helped Obama purchase a $2 million house in Chicago. Hillary might mispeak about an event that occurred 12 years ago, or an error that one of her researchers gives her to speak about, but Hillary is not a blatant downright liar like unpatriotic Barack Obama is. Quit being so pro-Obama and trashing Hillary. Vote for Hillary, she’s the best.

More Clinton lies…is there really ANYONE with a BRAIN still out there that believe anything she says? REALLY? REALLY? ……REALLY? Well..good luck with THAT then…..the woman is a habitual liar. END OF STORY and her RACE.

Why on earth does she feel the need to rewrite History?
I don’t think the strength of a person, wether they be a politician, is to be a demi-God, someone who never does a mistake. But rather someone who accepts their limitations are a human being, and is willing to admit their mistakes and grow from them.
The incapacity of Mrs Clinton to recognize her laps of judgments let me wonder what kind of president she will be.
If anything, the eight years of the Bush administration taught the Americans that they don’t need a God, but rather a president.

This woman is a compulsive liar and is not well. She needs professional help and I wouldn’t trust her with CHEESE let alone the presidency!!

It’s just amazing to me that shes still in this race. I guess it’s because the people shes running against are as big of liars as she is.

This is a very thorough analysis of a typical piece of campaign spin.
I think the really important question here is whether Mr. Tapper will apply this level of analysis to the kinds of claims that John McCain makes regularly, on immigration, taxes, and foreign policy. He has flip-flopped to an astonishing extent on these and other issues, and the mainstream press hardly ever calls him on it. I’ve never seen an analysis of McCain’s misstatements this thorough.
I”ve especially never seen McCain’s errors analyzed with the technique of making a rapid move from debunking a bit of spin and a differing interpretation of the lexis/nexis record into the largest issues of character, as Tapper does here:
“The misrepresentation of the record is symbolic of the re-writing of history…”
That puts an 8-day difference for first mention in the largest possible terms–it makes Mrs. Clinton sound more or less like Stalin. Wow! Quite an implication, but if he applies that sort of thinking and writing to McCain also, then it’s fair enough. But again, I haven’t seen it… we saw it a lot with Al Gore, of course.
Your move, Mr. Tapper. You won’t have to look far to find McCain’s analogous false claims. But will you write about them the way you have here?

Let’s play “My liar can wup your liar”!

Big News flash..Clintons have tons of money!! No kidding really?? Bill can make a cool million with one speech. Who cares, they have more money than they could ever spend in this lifetime.
Has anyone stopped to ask themselves why Hillary would put herself through all this negative fight for the Presidency?? They already have money and fame and power. PERHAPS, JUST PERHAPS…SHE REALLY CARES ABOUT AMERICA!!! HELLO!! WAKE UP FELLOW AMERICAN DEMOCRATS!!
True Americans will never unite behind this Obama fool, he is undeserving of the Presidency. He honestly thinks he is the messiah.
This Obama fool has an extensive drug history, he is a racist bigot along with Rev Wright and his wife, who knows where his loyalties lie with, once a Muslim always a Muslim. Read his books!!
Are we willing to risk our country to this man?? Have you people stopped to remember 9/11!! It’s not worth the risk. The thought of this man running our country should scare each and every one of us. We are so very lucky to have the freedoms we have.
Get a clue fellow democrats/Americans. We will never ever trust this man to run this country. We dont even know him.
What an arrogant fool he is to think Al Gore would ever consider being any part of this. Oh…I forgot he’s the messiah and even Mr. Gore will do as he says!!! Obama is UNELECTABLE!!!
I love this country and I know we are way too smart to put a racist hate mongering person/people like the messiah in our white house.
We don’t need him to “unite” us. We are united as Americans and when all is said and done..Obama will lose. Wonder what kind of speech he’ll give then?? When the repubs finish with him he’ll be lucky to have any kind of political career left!!
Go Hillary!! All the way!! If not my vote is for Mccain!! For America!!! These two will keep our country safe.
P.S–I am a lifelong hardcore democrat, never cast a repub vote my entire life. But I will this time!!!

Minor Details. Too much analysis.
I agreed that Clinton should have been little careful but I am convince she makes her decision based on facts and that she is fighter and she will fight for getting America together.
Till now, Obama had very easy wins. No doubt he gives great speeches but can America run on these great speeches.
I question his Iraq decision. Judgement and thinking right are two different things as we all know everything is right unless it is proven wrong. I feel that his Iraq decision came from his position on non violence and not on his judgement. His Rezko alliance, Nuclear waste and present records in senate gives me uneasy feeling.
His present records bothers me a lot. Imagine Obama sitting and voting present and watching others voting around him. Some one is indecisive there right? Definately not the members who is voting yes or no.
It is time to get real and vote wisely.

Clinton also did not fully vet false intelligence leading us into the war she voted for. Quite the leader I would say.

I will be actually sad to see her getting kicked out of the race because the Hillary Drama has been just sooo addictive! Who needs Lost, Greys Anatomy or even Desperate Housewives, when we have this real life looney entertaining us all 24/7?

Million Thanks Jake! You are a true journalist, an investigative journalism at work. Well, Bill was caught with his pants down, he lied he didn’t do it and Hillary supported him then and they survived the impeachement threat,now what do you expect she’s shamelessly telling lie after lie with great impunity because Bill is encouraging her. Mr & Mrs Liars.

If the press was so quick to scrutinize everything out of Obama’s mouth and his campaign, this nit picking would go on forever. Seems Clinton’s are the only ones the press is worried about being perfect. I’m sick of this “who said if first” crap anyway. Move on. I’m still voting HIllary, never King Obama.

Yes, she lied again so what ? Didn’t we all know that’s what the Clintons do best already ? Hellooo

So Clinton makes a mistake again and it’s a headline for three or four days. Yet, when Obama lies or makes a mistake it’s a headline for maybe half a day. It has become very apparent who the media likes. Everything Clinton says now is a lie, and we call her a liar, yet when Obama lies we all say we’re so sorry, and that was taken out of context. So pathetic that we treat Obama like he’s some kind of saint. Anyway, if Obama becomes the nominee everyone will see what kind of man he is, and his “New Politics” campaign will be destroyed by the Republican Juggernaut.
Hillary ’08

Hey Justin, My message was Obama is indecisive and cannot trust his judgement

Right on ken. I agree with you. Thanks for bringing some reason to this blog.

Clinton on Saturday told Oregonians, “when Sen. Obama came to the Senate he and I have voted exactly the same except for one vote. And that happens to be the facts. We both voted against early deadlines. I actually starting criticizing the war in Iraq before he did.”
So if he is so unfit then that means she is also.

joe/ ore,
What has happened since then is, Hillary is no longer the “inevitable” candidate
She also told a radio station how she would go back into both states and repair the damage (during the time when she was the “inevitable” candidate”)
Now that it looks more and more everyday that she will have to wait for 2016…
Their delegates should count???
Howard Dean said in a MSNBC interview
After chosing a candidate, the delegates will be sitted according to whomever the candidate is…If the Obama and Clinton campaign can’t come to an aggreement
That’s great news for Obama

Also, Nafta is a good example. Nafta Lied on Nafta for example. Obama lied and said his folks did not do it and then change his position when Canada memo came out.

I wish people would think for themselves. If I had a dime for every time someone talked about drinking ‘kool aid’ or made fun of Obama’s name, or even insinuated that the media was showing favoritism, I’d be able to buy Google.
If you can only make your point by insulting others, you are part of the problem and not the solution. That is why so many Americans want actual change. It is why the nation needs to get the Me Generation away from the controls of power whether that is Clinton/Clinton or Bush/Cheney.

So you OBAMA supporters are 100% sure OBAMA never lied or gave distorted new or never embellished any news.
Good luck on your judgment.

Hillary lied? What a surprise! both Clinton’s have been lying for more than a decade, now. They lied about Vince Foster, Ron Brown, Jennifer Flowers, Susan McDougal, Paula Jones, Monica Lewinsky, White Water, Mark Rich and the list goes on and on. The Clinton’s were born to lie, they would not be where they are today if weren’t for their lying.

FYI: Senator Obama started the “ugly” attacks way back when the 2nd debate was held, by calling Senator Clinton “untrustworthy”. Guess it worked for him, because that seems to be the perception of his supporters.

Obama had misrepresented Clinton on Healthcare issue and Nafta Issue

Hey, who says Hillary would do anything to win the nomination? Now, she’s so rich and, if she would do anything to win, you would think she should at least be outspending Barack.

what else is new? Clinton is a proven and shameless liar. No news here

Jonath
They are not mistakes they out and out bald face LIES. She does and most likely always will distort the truth. That is the issue with most Americans that make her unfit to be the President.
You as anAmerican should be able to trust what the President says to be true. Opinions are different they are based on theory.

Come on, you can not blame the press for being biased, if Hillary would quit telling lies, the press would not have them to report on. Just a thought on the Bosnia thing, I can understand someone getting confused and forgetting some details from a trip. But how the heck do say you were sleep deprived and remembered in detail something that never happened, and you remembered it five or six times over the course of a month. I do not want someone who hallucinates when sleep deprived to be answering the phone at 3AM.

If Hillary lies about everything, why should we believe she’s fighting to win the nomination because of the American people? I guess she forgot that records are kept in America and that one day the truth would come out. Instead of spread the correct message, why must she lie all the time? Is this woman a pathological lier? Aren’t her supporter ashamed of someone that speaks from her butt cheeks? Does she have to lie to get people’s vote? This is a weekly occurrence and we say enough is enough.

She’s just plain strange.

It never ceases to amaze me how the HRC supporters have no problems at all re-stating lies about Obama that have been clearly shown to be lies. Next you’ll be telling us he’s really a Muslim again.
Not only do HRC supporters like to repeat these lies, they attack writers that are simply pointing out the truth as it really is. Remember a few weeks ago they were ALL hammering Obama on Rev. Wright, even MSNBC hammered him on it.
Clintonistas Hillary has killed her own campaign with the people she keeps around her, the divisiveness of her campaign and the lies she’s repeatedly been caught in. Had Hillary ran a better campaign she would be in a much better position than she is now.
Not firing Mark Penn and the whole “Columbiagate” affair is going to be her final un-doing. I can only hope that there’s no damage to US\Columbia relations as a result of her campaigns blunders, there are many many Columbian Nationals that need their nation to have good relations with the US for their own well safety and well being.
Barack Obama is the only thing preventing John McCain from winning the White House, as an Obama (former)Republican myself I can assure you HRC is the one thing that can unite Republicans behind him.

Obama is not real. That dreaming young puppy will plunge this country into the bigger disasters in the future. His record is the blank sheet as his is mind. The Clinton’s story may be true or not under the real context of it but it showed that people can point out Clinton’s good and bad things due to her vast experiences. On the other hand, they can’t find any mistake from Obama and people think that he is a genius rather than a kid in Washington. He kept bragging about his right decision on Iraq war to show off of how smart the guy is, just like a kid. What guaranties that he will be right all the times while his record is so white comparing to Clinton? Is he so right about choosing a friend Rezko and his pastor for 20 years?
He was able to be in the position as of today, because of his speeches and he is an African-American and a little cultish too (I couldn’t believed that people clapping their hands when he blew his nose on the stage. He is a politician, not a rock star). No race here but it is the truth. There is no way I will vote for Obama. I rather vote for McCain.

Arslowian; You were spit on? Where in the world do you work?

“The Truth Shall Make Us Free” The Clintons are now both serving life terms.

Seah
So lets say your reasoning is right ? Then you and Hills team would be yelling He doesn’t support the troops.
He voted along with many that you have to support the troops. What are you supposed to do say no. Then are troops do not get money for bullets their paychecks the food to feed them ? Hill voted for the war. Barack was against the war.

Obama was saying in Wyoming that he voted against the war in 2002, 2003. 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008. (He called out the year literally one by one.) The truth is that 2002 was a speech. He didn’t have to vote for the war in 2003. When he got in the Senate, he voted for funding the war in 2004, 2005 & 2006. He didn’t speak a word about against the war when he is in the Senate. He even said that he would not know how he would vote if he had to in 2002.

to: Arslowian
You are correct I to remember so very heated arguments. So you would have to agree that a politician who spoke out against the war, who took and stuck to an unpopular stand must have some grit. He did not take the easy road he stood up for what he thought was right.

Hillary distorts the historical record with her lies. She condemns Obama for his eloquence–”Just words.” But Bill’s speeches have given the Clinton Dynasty over 50 million dollars, many of those millions from fat cat corporations whose lobbyists give Hillary’s campaign megabucks in exchange for her ear. Hillary’s books make her multimillions–just words? Bill is paid multimillions for “advice” to companies with shady business practices that the Feds are investigating. The Clintons’ millions for “charity” go to the Clinton Family Foundation, an obvious tax-dodge that also allows them to use some of that to influence superdelegates. Their tax returns show us a model of one hand greasing the other. Hillary can lie about identifying with blue-collar women, but she pays her housecleaners over $40,000 each year, more than blue-collar women earn a year. The Clintons made 109 million dollars in seven years. And she has the audacity to ask blue-collar women to send their few hard-earned dollars to her campaign. The audacity of being shame-less!

it is the fact. they have the same vote records as senator.
If someone didn’t have the same responsibility , didn’t share the same information, it was easy for him to say something.
so it is suitable to compare the vote records after January 2005.

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Totally agree with Jerome (far down there!)
This is a great report backed by neat research. finally some good journalism. way to go abc..
PS. keep fighting my children..(evil laugh..)

Quit piling on Hillary. William Safire called her a congenital liar in 1996. I didn’t believe it then, I do now. So you have to give her some slack. She can’t help it.

The Clinton campaign said that the senator had been told the story by a sheriff’s deputy, and had not been able to fully check its accuracy. “We did try but were not able to fully vet it,” Clinton campaign spokesman Mo Elleithee said. “If the hospital claims it did not happen that way, we respect that.
we did try to Vet it but were not able to fully vet it?
According to the Hospital they never got a phone call from Hillary’s camp.

The Clinton campaign said that the senator had been told the story by a sheriff’s deputy, and had not been able to fully check its accuracy. “We did try but were not able to fully vet it,” Clinton campaign spokesman Mo Elleithee said
Gee that is just somebody we need answering the Phone at 3 AM. Not checking
accuracy and shooting mouth off without trying to “fully vet it” is not the person you would want answering the phone at 3 AM especially since “sleep deprivation” caused one of Hillary’s biggest Whoppers, so far, the sniper fire landing in Bosnia. We do not need another habitual liar in the White House.

This warrants 5–yes 5!–Pinocchios as per WaPo’s fact checker series. Don’t know why Bosnia-gate only warranted 4, but this should get maximum for yet another “creative” way of rewriting history!
And the 5 Pinocchio Award goes to HRC–her mantle is getting weighed down with these.

Sen. Clinton lying again? I’m shocked… that was sarcasm. Of course people who blindly worship her would not only overlook her lies but spread lies of their own. They don’t want anything to disturb the fantasy world they have built for themselves around HRC. It’s called Cognitive Dissonance.
And why should she stop lying, her supporters obviously don’t care and she keeps getting away with it. She’s even glib about it joking about her lies on Leno.
Maybe after 7 years of Bush lies, people are ready for 4 more of HRC’s lies. Why break the status-quo.

Yes, LongT, I was actually spit on, like some “dirty Hippie who should go back to the commune” I believe is how the quote went. He was fired, but I was told I should probably not get into any more discussions about politics.
But he was the extreme. The majority of people everywhere I went suddenly became bona fide, card carrying Young Republicans, and you seriously didn’t dare say a word against Bush or against invasion. It was a scary time and I really did start to understand the comparisons to Nazi Germany that were being thrown around.
If you were anti-war…well, you were anti-American.
Period.
I felt the wind start to change back in 2004. I was sure Bush would be voted out. The day after election day was like a nightmare. Only now if you didn’t believe in Bush or the war, you were unAmerican and anti-Christian; because God wanted Bush to be President.
And now I see the same thing happening with Obama. I have nothing against him, except a severe lack of a record. He really is a kid with no experience and no history. And everyone is jumping on the Obama bandwagon without thought; without proper consideration.
To quote Yogi Berra: It’s deja vu all over again!
Also, who was it that said, “The American people get the leader they deserve”?

The Clintons with the exception of their daughter have proved only one thing; the both of them are incorrigible barefaced liars. Clinton/Bush lie to cover something but SHE lies because it’s in her genes; otherwise why lie when there is no need to lie. As SHE has done so many times.

Alison, you really said it well!

@lauren
What happened to your pro-Hillary postings that frequently quoted from CBS “On the Record”?

So many falsehoods from Hillary (“Hil-liar-y”?) that, its getting hard to remember them all.
And now? Yet another LIE? How many have there been just this week alone (and I include Penn’s Colombia trip, because there’s no way her would have gone without his best client’s knowledge and approval).
Interesting that even using her own absurd criteria (that opposition to the war doesn’t count unless you are in the US Senate), Sen. Obama STILL spoke out against it days before she did, in the Senate,, directly to Condoleeza Rice.
And, still, all that her supporters can do here is to blame…..Jake Tapper? They should be saying, “Great job, getting to the truth. THANK YOU!”
Because, to many of us, the truth really IS still important–particularly on issues that affect us all.

if it were not for reporting like this Hillary would get away with the distortions and lies. Why does someone supposedly so smart screw up so much? Any normal person would stop it – particularly after the humiliation of being such an obvious liar.
Being a deluded pushy big mouth power monger apparently isn’t a substitute for honesty anymore. I look forward to the day when the Clintons are no longer in the news.

SuzieQ
I have never been once been in cbs site
there are thousands of Laurens in the world.
I have never been or will ever be pro Hillary.
Thanks thou maybe i will check it out.

Another Lie From Hillary Pinnochio
Clinton! She has no Integrity and
she has no Shame!
Our enemies would not be able to trust
a word she said nor would our allies!
Hillary Clinton as president would be
a disaster waiting to happen!
It’s time for you fanatical Clinton supporters to face the facts, she has been lying to you too!
Time to Go Home Hillary!
I know you are a “fighter” so go fight with Bill! Bye Bye!

Oh relax people! We’re talking about a week between statements here, and I think Hillary Clinton is trying to at least show that things were not all one way back then. Everything that is said is twisted and distorted and molded into the the purported motives of the person that you want to destroy. I’m so disppointed when I see this sort of crap spewed out. I still have been mostly watching the candiates during their speeches and town hall meetings via live streaming without other commentary, and I still hear Hillary Clinton getting to the issues with direct solutions, and hear very little from Barack Obama on specifics. I’d vote for him if he is the candidate, but would prefer Hillary. And the PEOPLE of MI and FL should not be disenfranchised as a punishment for changing a rule…whose stupid idea was that in the first place? Some other punishment, but discounting their votes?? INcredible.

If I were a HRC supporter, I would not read articles that clearly disparage my candidate. I do not read articles that disparage Obama. The frenzied posts of HRC supporters who read articles that are obviously not flattering to her do nothing to change the minds of Obama supporters. The bottom line is we all have just one vote and we need to use our own good judgment and research to make the best choice possible. No candidate is going to be 100% accurate or even truthful. None of us are 100% accurate or truthful. The question voters have to wrestle with is whether the fact challenged assertions make a difference to their support of the candidate when disclosed. If I were a HRC supporter, I honestly would have jumped ship with the fact disclosures on the Bosnia trip. There is no wiggle room when it comes to sniper fire. Why would a candidate with so much potential risk it all with assertions that are so easily researched and disclosed? I still have not figured that one out. I do hope that after all the venom and hysteria has exhausted itself, that we Democrats will unite behind our nominee and secure the White House. The stakes are too important to allow venom and hysteria to overcome our nation’s best interest. Obama ’08

Finally Jake, you are taking Hillary to task for her lies instead of trying to determine if Senator Obama lied to you about his smoking. Bosnia, sniper fire, Ireland peace accord, health care with the young woman that died in Ohio, how she opposed NAFTA from the beginning, and now this. Hillary must really have a bad memory or she’s just not getting enough sleep, or she’s just a liar.

I’m starting to think that this all boils down to a couple of points. I think the Clintons have had this presidential run in mind since Bill left office (or before) and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. And I believe that throughout 2007 and up to Super Tuesday, the Clinton team believed that she would have an easy path to the nomination and the White House. This can be seen by the way they blew through their tens of millions of dollars early on. And now they cannot see the writing on the wall. It’s become something that they all have taken for granted and now has become unattainable. It’s just that the powers that be within her campaign have yet to wake up and smell the coffee.

Does this woman have NO SHAME? Twister must be her favorite game.

She has failed in her personal life.
Look at her dysfunctional husband
campaigning for her. She has never
left him despite being repeatedly
humiliated for years. She’s too weak. She has no “Burning Bed” fire in her.
She will be a colossal screw-up if elected.

Lesson 1: Hillary Clinton is incapable of telling the truth.
Lesson 2: She is therefore unqualified for even a Senate seat, much less the Presidency.
Lesson 3: Nothing she says pertaining to Barack Obama can be deemed credible.
Lesson 4: Her glass is never half full…it’s just half empty. Get a clue…Obama 2008.

Well you know if Obama doesn’t run a Hillary the liar ad, you just know the Republicans will be storing all this up, probably complete with pinocchio nose graphic, for an ad of there own. If John Kerry was the flip flopper, Hillary would be the liar if she got the nomination, and with more justification than Al Gore was pinned with being such.
I am sure that the GOP will go after Obama for something, but I think the untrustworthiness attack on Hillary may well be relentless and effective. I really do think that the next US President will either be John McCain or Barack Obama, no matter what Hillary tells the Super Ds.

I happened to be at the rally on Saturday morning. The attendance was so impressive that a line of people wrapped around the parking lot twice…and many didn’t even get a chance to make it into the arena. As usual, Hillary was flawless and steadfast. During her speech, she addressed many issues in depth, including the war in iraq. Her speech did not, as this article implies, argue the pettiness of who said what first…instead, it focused on solutions. I agree with some earlier comments on this article: it’s blatantly obvious that the media is partial to BO. A journalist should look deeper, while maintaining a clear vision of the broader picture. What’s best for the people? Share the whole truth and nothing but the truth, or don’t say anything at all.

Many posters here have made a valid argument and I thank them for their well thought out responses. We needed a thinking America with heart in this election cycle in order to choose a president who can govern effectively,civilly work with the opposistion, knows the constitution thoroughly, and has passed the honest threshold. My parents and I have always been strong supporters of the Clintons, however they have shown a disturbing record of misinformation and demeaning tactics. Senator Clinton as a candidate showing greater moral integrity in this could have made a much stronger and credible comeback. But rather than do the right thing she has distorted the record repeatedly, attacked without proper proof the character of her fellow pary member, used double standards to skew her political chances in this race, used strong arm tactics in order intimidate others into supporting her. I don’t want to Bush redux we need integrity as well as competence in a POTUS

And its interesting that Hillary Clinton’s opposition to the Iraq War was made clear in a statement to explain her vote for Condi Rice to be Sec of State. The same Condi Rice who was NSA during the build up and execution of the Iraq War.

A letter to obama supporters. look we have allot of work to do to ensue that we take back the white house in november this kind of hateful, vile,
dialog will only harm that prospect and ensure a win for the repugs. please remember that upwards of 28% of hillary supporters are committed to either sit-out the election or vote for mccain in november-if obama gets the nomination. when you factor in hispanics, asians, florida, michigan, women, republicans (for one day) and traditional democrats into the equation it becomes highly unlikely that obama can not win in november without the aforementioned support. the media and other pundits tell you that once we have a nominee we will all come together, (dream on) it won’t happen. remember supporters are representative of the candidate they support. these kinds of ugly attacks are testament to the fact that the obama campaign is ugly, vile, and divisive. do you really believe that if you come courting our support in november that we will just roll over toe the party, line and forget? i personally have not met any that will forget both the way we were treated as supporters, and the way that hillary was treated both by you, and by the media. by the way i am a hispanic female, multi generational democrat, blue collar salt of the earth voter that could still be influenced to vote for obama, except for his supporters who combined with the media are doing his campaign a great disservice. you may be enjoying your arrogant, hateful, online rants at the moment but come november if you candidate wins the nomination you will come begging for my vote. and i will remember that you characterized me, my family, my children, my friends in extremely hateful terms-and yes i will abandon my party absolutely. see you in november.

We have had sixteen years of fatuous self-centered nonsense from George W and Billy Jeff. Our baby boomer presidents have been abysmal failures. We don’t need anymore Monica, Bosnian sniper fire, preemptory wars. Hillary is allowing McCain, an irrational warmonger to redefine himself while she and her husband stand attempting to bar the door to transformational change in this country. Clinton needs to get of the presidential primary, needs to get out of the Democrat party, get out of the United States. This despicable chameleon needs to crawl back under her self-righteous rock.

it is time to shut up clinoton’s mouth.

Floor Speech of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on S.J. Res. 45, A Resolution to Authorize the Use of United States Armed Forces Against Iraq
If we were to attack Iraq now, alone or with few allies, it would set a precedent that could come back to haunt us. In recent days, Russia has talked of an invasion of Georgia to attack Chechen rebels. India has mentioned the possibility of a pre-emptive strike on Pakistan. And what if China were to perceive a threat from Taiwan?
So Mr. President, for all its appeal, a unilateral attack, while it cannot be ruled out, on the present facts is not a good option.

Liar, liar
Pansuit’s on fire!
If I called her at 3AM would she tell me the truth?

Look Sonia, I hear you. But if you think Hillary can win without African Americans, young people, and intellegent Caucasians, you should dream on. She will bring out the Republican base! Let me add a factor here. The veil racism is not being missed by Hispanics (like Richarson). They will stay home. You say we are being cruel…nothing cuts deeper than racism. Even McCain has risen above it.

Oh please stop these tirads against both of our Democratic candates. I think we need to start looking at what lite McBush stands for and what he is doing.
How many of us want our President to be singing Bomb Bomb Iran? This is the USA the Super Power of the world and this is what the world to think of us. Just when is the media going to start of stuff like this about McCain?

TSnow27604,
hilary has been wanting to be president herself since she was in school! no joke read this book written by edward klein called the truth about hilary. in it he talks to people that went to school with her and friends from school old boy friends and people who helped in bills campain for gov. in it a old boy friend rupert said “i never had a burning desire to be president of the united states” ” i believe that was a need for her in a partner” and he isnt the only person she knew that said that. its a great book most comments are about how she never felt the need to tell the truth …

SELF-JUSTIFICATION ONLY LEADS TO DESTRUCTION! It takes only one word “sorry” for the wise to put behind everything unrighteous [or unworthy]in order to mend broken hearts, yet this seems to be absolutely impossible for the Clinton camp to comprehend. From a scrupulous perspective, suffice to say that while Sen. Clinton may be zealous enough to answer “the 3 a.m. call”, HER RESPONSE to that call [as the commander-in-chief of the most mighty nation] CAN BE CATASTROPHIC TO A POINT OF “NO U-TURN”. As conspicuous as a nose on the face, THE FACT REMAINS THAT SEN. CLINTON ENDORSED THE IRAQ WAR – It is doesn’t make sense to be emphatic about the point of time when this was done. Now that she has seen the light, is the time she should be bold enough to look straight into the eyes of the American people and humbly say, “sorry, my decision at the very beginning was wrong, but I later on re-adjusted to the right truck” – INSTEAD OF ALL THIS HULLABALOO ABOUT THE TIME WHEN SHE SUPPORTED THE WAR AND WHEN SHE STOPPPED TO DO SO, or the assertion that she decided to change her mind before “so-and-so” voiced out his stance, etc.

Bre OR – that was a long commentary I did enjoy reading however do not fear the movement. While you may have a point that there could be unknown factors, it is likely that we know more than the unknown. We have a democracy where by every 4 years, we get to change the way our country runs. What Obama has brought is more people to the process. I, for one, would not hesitate from taking him out of office if he does not deliver at least 60% of what he runs on. The key thing here is that we don’t get change in a moments notice, this is a process for the next decades to really have an effect and certainly post Obama. It is time to start looking the brighter side…how worse could it be than what we have with the Bush Administration. Keep POSITIVE!!

Lynn ,
mccain even said that he knows obama and he isnt a racist or a terrorist so you would be calling mccain a idiot by putting that there and i dont think he is much in favore of the “name” game and dirty politics. he wants to win on his credits and not a made up or over played fear of americans..im going to vote obama if he doesnt win im going for mccain!

Great investigative journalism. It is rare to find an honest journalist right now who would actually do the leg work for a news piece.
I have been dissapointed lately with journalist recently because they are spoon fed with lots of trash from campaign staffers and they never bothered to double check on facts before putting it on the internet or newspaper. What happen to checking out facts before printing rumours.
Once again good work Jake!

Hey Obama please release the following documents please:
- A list of your friends, roommates and bosses during your time in New York. By the way this is required for a security clearance. (has refused so far)
- Documents regarding your time in the Illinois Senate. (Obama refused and now says the documents were lost)
- The documents concerning your house purchase and the purchase of the lot next door and the subsequent purchase of part of that lot by you.
- A document showing how you handled the “gift” from Rezcko on your house purchase. (If not on your tax return during the year you purchased your house then you have violated federal law?
- A list of the people who have bundled your contributions, including any money from overseas sources.
- A transcript of the conversations that you had as a sitting U.S. Senator with Railla Odinga while he was running for the presidency of foreign government( Kenya).
- An explanation of your wherabouts during the period Nov 3 through Nov 8, 1999, while a State Senator from Illinois.
It seems lots of folks make judgment without researhing information first. Senator Clinton made lots of money on her book…and is still recieving royalties. She was paid over 8 million and certainly has other resources. The deal with the uranium mine…if you had done your research..would have shown President Clinton said ..no..to any involvment. That is the part the press doesnt tell. Check out Media Matters. I dont think most of Hillary’s supporters realized she was short of money…and once they knew…the donations came in. Senator Obama asks for donations all the time. Senator Clinton and her husband never recieved any money from Rezko. Senator Obama’s main contributor from the beginning of his career has been Rezko. Rezko also has close ties with Auchi…who has been found guilty by of deals relating to nuclear plants in Iraq. That makes Obama three times removed from that situation. Auchi is the reason Rezko is in jail now…due to flight risk. Check sites out about Rezko. Rezko also contributed funds to George W Bush. You can say…well…Clintons’ had Hue. Some differences….Hue got his money from big investors. Obama got his money from misuse of taxpayers funds. Rezko said he couldnt pay for the heat in the buildings in Chicago. People going without heat in a Chicago winter? Chicago gets cold. During that time…Rezko gives a thousand dollars to Obama for his political career. I find it hard to believe that Obama didnt know about these conditions in his district…when the City Of Chicago was taking Rezko to court for this. Obama wrote a letter of recommendation for Rezko to get funding for his housing. Those letters are available to see at a website …taylor marsh. They have government heading on them. You cant tell me that Obama didnt know that Rezko was under federal investigation when he go a deal with him to buy his house. Check it out. Senator Obama hasnt been that honest about all of this.

Sonia I agree. When Obama is crowned our Democratic nominee I will not be able to support him based on his record and experience. I will not forget the behavior of the elitist faction of the Democratic party , the press and the Obama supporters as we go into Fall.
The Democratic party is no longer representative of the working men/women of this Country it is now the party of latte and white wine. I have been doing my homework extensively on McCain as it’s been becoming clearer that Obama will be the nominee and that there will be no such thing as balanced coverage on these two candidates, and unless he (McCain) makes a big blunder or selects a VP I cannot live with- I will be casting my vote for the first time for a Republican President. If foreign policy advisors of Obama’s can be talking about how we will be keeping 60-80,000 troops in Iraq up until at least 2010 and Obama is out on the podium talking about how he wants to take the Country back to the foreign policy traditions of George Sr. and Ronald Reagan (and fails to mention the foreign policy of our two term President Clinton) then I have no problem with voting for the far, far more experienced and moderate McCain.
Maybe it’s really McCain the press and the Kennedys, Kerrys, Daschles and the other elite of the Democratic party really want to see in office. The behavior of BOTH candidates and their campaign, the DNC and the elite of this party, some of the candidate’s supporters and the press have been shameful.

Obamas support for the troops is not the same as sending the troops to Iraq. For Christ sake! the soldiers are Americans who out of patriotism are fighting an erroneous war. Would you then suggest that Obama should vote against the up keep of soldiers who are already misled about Iraq? Patriotism requires him to support the troops through and through till America is able to deal with its mistakes. Don’t misunderstand the vote for up keeps of troops as vote to go to war. If he votes against the troops up keep people will say his unpatriotic. We already have a bad situation and as he rightly pointed out sometime early in this year that driving a bus into a ditch is different from solutions on how to get the bus out. Stop sounding uninformed here please.

edward klein “she seemed to lack the innate knowledge of good and evil, right and wrong, and the obligation to tell the truth”

Here we go again. “Liar in Chief”…Hillary!

where did people get that obama was ant-american?

It’s come down to “Do whatever it takes to win” politics for Hill and Bill. let’s start counting how many times she says the word “disenfranchised” in the weeks ahead. Will she be counting “chads” from here on out?

James Andre : You are typical Obama supporters, rude, no homework research on your evidence. You are afraid of the truth. The truth hurts you.
Obama will never be an option for us …
Our conscience points us to MCCAIN if Hillary is not the nominee ..
The Democrats deserve to lose the White House is they put up Obama as their nominee …
END OF STORY …

Obama started running for president when he made the keynote speech at the democratic convention. All of Obama lies will come out when and if he gets the nomination. The MSM just will not cover them now. Can you say 527.

@Lauren,
This is why I thought you had a change of heart:
“…….Hillary is always put between a rock and a hard place.
That is why I am so proud of her.
And CBS’s “For the Record,” did prove that Hillary has indeed had 35 years experience for all of you hard heads who don’t want to learn the truth.
I actually find a lot of the Obama camps criticism absurd – they frame their arguments against Hillary as though nothing short of her having already been President, or a prominent policy maker in all her foreign and national experience would qualify her to be commander in chief.
When Barack has had none of this experience. It’s absurd of them truly to question hers, when she actually has some, and their candidate has none.
The bottomline: She has had much more national and international policy discussions, exposure, and experience than Barack.
Sorry if you don’t want to face reality.”
Posted by: Lauren | Mar 19, 2008 10:43:45 PM

Sonia….
Please explain to me how Clinton supporters are different in their perceptions of “racial bias” than Obama supporters.
Some of the self-serving attacks I’ve seen in this blog don’t bode well for your percieved argument, ma’am.

What a lie you have bought into. Obama begins his story, “I was born to a single mother…” (which is a lie) because he knows we will make the leap and picture another poor black child of poverty. The truth (from his books) is that after his father left when he was 2, he was raised lovingly and comfortably by his mother and two grandparents in an upper class white neighborhood. He went to an elite private high school and then on to the Ivy Leagues. He has never known the problems of poor people, let alone the middle class. Hillary Clinton was raised in much less privileged circumstances than Obama, and the Clintons have made their money after Pres. Clinton left the White House. They have given their lives to helping the underprivileged and continue to do so through the Clinton Foundation.
That poor guy probably just want some attention. He needs help, put him in a safe place before he hurts somebody. Pennsylvania and Indiana please, please vote Mrs. Clinton for President. We are losing to many jobs already, a lot of businesses are already suffering and about to fire a lot of people. Help us the rest of the USA to keep our jobs, homes, food and our sanity. Inexperience is an obstacle, speeches are forgotten. Spare all of us of real hard times.

I also have a list of Obama lies but this site will not allow the posting. Now what do you think of that?? Unbiased media at its best?

sonyab…. If Hillary’s supporters sit at home or vote for McCain then that is their choice. It simply means that they can not stand to see a a black man as President. It has nothing to do with anything else. Everytime I look on these blogs and there is a negative story about Hillary her supporters start attacking Obama. I think everyone should look at this for what it is. Neither of the canidates are without fault, but htis is getting a little outrageous I don’t critize either canidate but honesty plays a big part in being President, look at how Bush lied to us about the war, it is time for a change and unfortunately Hillary does not look like she can be the change we need. I tell you one thing though, if Hillary takes the nom. unfairly it will not be good because blacks will sit htis election out and we will have another Republican. So if Hillary supporters are that against a black man being President so be it, it will cost all of us. I am a true Obama supporter and if Hillary takes the nom( fairly) then I will vote for her. I guess Obama supporters are more forgiving and true to their party.

It’s the final desperate moments of a failed candidacy.
Really, it’s her campaign that has failed her, completely… even her online fundraising last month was completely weak, considering that she made much of her $20M in big fundraisers.
I’m surprised that more Clinton supporters can’t see this fact, and realize that all the ramifications of why they are losing, rather than ranting with Republican-style hatred towards a fellow Democrat.
Last I heard, we’re all supposed to be on the same side. We certainly share 98% of the same policies.

I watch and read all of the news stations and newspapers. I don’t pick and choose what I read and hear based on who is my favorite candidate…I hear it all.
My vote is an informed desicion. The simple fact of the matter is people don’t trust Hillary and that is reflected in ALL of the polls. Not just one, but ALL of them.

Kerry: Thank you for posting more “truths” about Obama, especially bringing up the name Aiham Alsamarrae, who was working with Rezko and Auchi to fund a nuclear power plant (nuclear giant Exelon is one of Obama’s biggest donors) in Iraq. The contract fell through when Aiham Alsamarrae was jailed. To Jake Tapper: while it’s appreciated you take the time to map out the facts about the war, European newspapers have been reporting for some time that it’s possible Obama’s opposition to the war was motivated by financial dealings with Rezko in the region and his numerous ARAB CONNECTIONS to countries in the region which would make US involvement in the area a negative for Obama financially and politically. It seems that if Obama and the far left crazy liberal media wants to continue to nitpick away at every single statement Hillary makes to parsing every single statement down to days, hours and minutes to make Hillary look bad. SEXISM is accepted by crazy liberals, just not racism. This is a democratic party that wants to push a woman candidate out on any reason that can be dug up. WHERE ARE OBAMA’S STATE SENATE CALENDARS AND SCHEDULING MEETINGS FOR 8 YEARS? WHY ISN’T THE MEDIA DEMANDING OBAMA TURN THEM OVER? What was Obama trying to change on his passport? A trip to Syria, Libya, Iraq, where did he go?

James4hill, How can anyone forget about race? Hillary and Bill have been using it from the beginning from justifying her loses to suggesting that she was not sure if Obama was a Muslim. If you don’t think that J Ferreia was a plant, I don’t know what to say about your political astuteness. Hillary used race in a very divisive manner…to garner votes. McCain has been on record saying that he is sure that Obama is not Muslim, and actually implied the question was silly. So, in the final analysis…McCain wins because Americans always end up voting for a President with values they believe in. The Clintons have a value that people dispise, and that’s that you need to do anything to win. Most people have boundaries about that.

This primary has gone on too long and is taking a toll on Hillary.
I understand her. You can only put on a good face for so long before the real Hillary emerges. This was her election and she is still fighting for it. She has gotten away with so much. By making you look at Obama. Remember she wanted the attention now she has it.
When she goes down everyone else will too. The Clintons are not quiters

only Senator Clinton can win in November, only Senator Clinton will be the best President for our children, only Senator Clinton will be the best Commander-in-Chief for our troops and only Senator Clinton will be the best leader that America and the world needs

To back off- I don’t really think that the self absorbed, self righteous baby boomer’s have done this country any service to family, democracy, or long term planning. They have plundered and profiteered this country to death. So perhaps we know more than you think and are tired of your no it all blow offs to real issues you haven’t seemed to bring yourselves to deal with. When they took away your valume, is that what pissed you all off, made you all give up and give in to the BS then convince yourselves its true so you don’t have to answer to future generations for it. That is how I see the baby boomers and I am not alone.

I still don’t understand why Kennedy, Kerry, and Richardson get to choose Obama even though Clinton won their states, yet everyone is screaming that the superdelegates should follow the state voters. Don’t these hypocrites realize it’s just another Obama tactic to steal the election. The superdelegates know that Clinton won the big blue states yet they are being intimidated to vote for Obama.
Obamaniacs would cover the world with smoke and mirrors to try and make Barack Hussein Obama look good, regardless of all his lies and ties to radical anti-Americans. Obama could butcher a kitten on the White House lawn and his followers would try to make it look like a good thing.
Obama, along with the so-called “leadership” of big-wig Democrats: Dean, Pelosi, Reid, Kennedy and Kerry are destroying the Democratic Party.

Bill Clinton was right – Obama on the war is a “fairy tale”!
And Obama certainly has NOT “opposed the war from the start”!
Obama opposed the war when he couldn’t vote – but as soon as elected voted for every Bush war funding bill for 2 years.
Obama’s continued deceit is merely one of the reasons we won’t vote for him.
Go Hillary!

All you white OBAMA suckers, do not regret later and say you were not informed.
This is what Obama learnt in the church for the last 20 years. The pastor is a preacher
of Black Liberation Theology.
Black theology or Black liberation theology is the theology of Elijah Mohammed, founder of the Nation of Islam theology of liberation
Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the
black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community … Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love.
To me this sounds like teachings of Osama.

First Obama said he wasn’t in the church when Wright gave his hate filled sermon. Later, in his famous speech he said he was there. He must have known that there are things that would place him in the pews during on of those sermons.
Now he says he would have left the church had Wright not retired. CAN HE MAKE UP HIS MIND?
What else is he hiding from the American people? He has run his entire campaign on “lies”.
Obama is not responsible for what his pastor/mentor said, but he is responsible for lying about it, and many other things. He simply has lost credibility. Hillary is the better candidate.

Vote No on Media Fawning on Obama. Vote No on Obama!

Obama is a fraud and a liar. He has no ideas of his own so he feeds off the ideas of others and tries to take credit for it. He has contantly taken Hillary`s ideas and claimed they were his own. He can never answer a simple question but he sure can create a smokescreen so that when he’s done answering—people forget what the question was.
Amazing. People who fall for his empty words don`t seem to care what happens to this country.

Obamaniacs would cover the world with smoke and mirrors to try and make Barack Hussein Obama look good, regardless of all his lies and ties to radical anti-Americans. Obama could butcher a kitten on the White House lawn and his followers and the biased media would try to make it look like a good thing.
Obama, along with the so-called “leadership” of big-wig Democrats: Dean, Pelosi, Reid, Kennedy and Kerry are destroying the Democratic Party.

Back off news sensor, Obama needs to protect himself first, that man was very rude and breached protocols. Obama has the obligation to protect himself. That is nothing, you can have him sucking up all the time because he needs your vote. You don’t breach security because you want a picture. Stop hating. Obama is aigghht!!

James Andre:
You Obama supporters are so rude. A simple question, if you buy a new BMW 60,000 today morning at car dealer, will you stay at the car sealer and sell to me only 20,000 an hour later.

Jake, thanks for a superb article, as a constitutional lawyer, CLO of 25 years and a stickler for the truth I am always searching for the real underlying facts. I don’t have the luxury of time to do so and so thank you for shedding much needed light. I’m grateful for you, Glenn Greenwald, and Barry Eisler to name a few.

As a white university professor, I, along with my children and grandchildren, am honored and privileged to be part of this great history in the making and vote for Sen.Obama. Now, will America rise to the occasion and embrace this great change and truly unite, showing the world that ONLY in America this can happen, and that it really is the land of the free? Or, will those whose better judgement is clouded by petty prejudices and misconceptions continue the divisive tradition of ‘Us’ and ‘Them’, propagated by those politicians who firmly believe in their politics of deception and divide and rule?

Guys, give Hillary a break. She is under a lot of pressure and it is very difficult for her to accept defeat. So she resolve to lieing and sometimes it is difficult for her to remember what she says.

Another media run-on rant built on a comfortable little narrative bashing Hillary and boosting their candidate, our messiah Obama the guy who they let go when he admits his “boneheaded mistakes”. Vote No on Fawning Media. Vote No on Obama!

Even after the debates they wouldn’t give Hillary credit. All they could say was how much Obama has improved since the first debates. It was obvious who was the more intelligent of the 2 on stage. The MSM needs to get a backbone.

@ Emilianna…
If that’s the case, than maybe it’s time to change history.
And Hillary better get her act together, or she’s going to BE history.

I am gratified by the sentiments of people in Europe and elsewhere, and by the sentiments of people everywhere here in the US now that we are coming together to elect Barack Obama. We elect Obama, from among an historically oppressed class of citizens, as he has excelled in spite of that and without resorting to minting and investing himself as victimized and oppressed, but remarkably and exceptionally and inspirationally and transformatively driving himself with dignity and determination and fortitude and character to the point where we don’t see his color but we see his achievement; his character unifies people in profound ways as he is dedicated to investing himself in happinesses and successes.
Yes, the people in America want to hope again, to be successful again and to be proud of themselves and their communities, of their work and of their government again. The people of America are sick of wormy word twisters and convoluters and despisers and haters and interrupters and shouters and shriekers and howlers. We are sick of the fat cat consciousness and of the fat cat corporations. The people want openness of communication, not invasion of privacy. The people want law, not official criminality. The people want the love of Man, not false patriotic pride. The people want leadership to create solutions that have eluded us, and not leadership that can think of nothing but war. People want leaders who retool us for enrichment and happiness, not who tool us and tune us for war. We want leaders who hate to wield implements of destruction and who don’t love to spend their time cultivating killing fields of hatred and sorrow in our homes and our lives and in our world. People want to make happy things with time and riches; they know that wealth isn’t built with weapons; we don’t want those weapons anymore. Those are truly a last resort employed by fearful people, and sometimes it seems like the only way, true, but the best defenses are the not even weapons, but affection and understanding and compassion and sharing and cooperation.
The people want to share things and to become prosperous in happiness and good spirit, not to hoard and sneer and grab and steal like miniature robber barons.
Obama offers a new vision of ourselves to ourselves, and to others. A shining reflection of prosperity of spirit. A friend when we are in need. Now, should we be concerned with punishing the people who make war in our lives and minds and communities and blogs and towns and workplaces and houses, now that we see a light shining so brightly on our prospects? Or should those hurtful and spiteful and hateful people be blessed by God? God has his own special way of blessing them, it begins with a “D”, yes Reverend, but they really do it to themselves with God’s own tools of creation, by misusing the riches of the world to create a sick one for themselves to live in, yet we can forget about those wars, their sickness and forget about the false patriotism of false people now, and about getting even, but even put all that into God’s hands too, and offer friendly hands to everyone now and begin a growing, healing, warming, improving movement back into an enriched reality of hope of the world and of and for every little thing and every big thing – the ten thousand things – and for every single person.
We can proceed to do good work to make the best and happiest and most colorful and productive and restorative and respectful and constructive world that has ever been built and lived in by people. Yes we can.

Yes, lets all be inspired by his words. Just try and ignore his actions.

ABC,MSNBC,AND CNN ARE TRYING THEIR BEST TO GET CLINTON DEFEATED. THE HARDER THEY TRY THE MORE I WANT TO VOTE FOR HILLARY. GO HILLARY

ABC,MSNBC,AND CNN ARE TRYING THEIR BEST TO GET CLINTON DEFEATED. THE HARDER THEY TRY THE MORE I WANT TO VOTE FOR HILLARY. GO HILLARY

Her balloons of lies and deception get exposed everyday… loosing her credibility day by day.
Whoever sayeth that she is a “congenital liar”… I am afraid she may even lose Pennsylvania eventually… am also afraid she may lose her cool… and some lunatic asylum have to come up for her rescue?!?

The media has given Hillary a free ride folks!
That is why she can be so corrupt and hardly ever be called out on it. The Clintons use their wealth to hide their true selves. This is scary.
Thanks Jake for calling her out on her numerous amounts of lies. She lies so much that she forgets hat the truth is. One word for that…
PATHOLOGICAL!!!

Until we all start driving vehicles that burn something other than foreign oil I don’t think any politician will do anything that much different from any other. And since no one wants to go back to horses (it’s the economy, stupid) I think we’re stuck with all this hot air from our politicians.
All this campaign rhetoric is just a lot of baloney designed to manipulate us to choose the party that gets to spend our money.

ABC,MSNBC,AND CNN ARE TRYING THEIR BEST TO GET CLINTON DEFEATED. THE HARDER THEY TRY THE MORE I WANT TO VOTE FOR HILLARY. GO HILLARY

I have watched Jake Tapper on a number of ocassions and he has nothig positive to say about Hillary. He is not an objective reporter and I am asking ABC News not to be like MSNBC and the rest of some of these main steraem media in supporting this pro Obama agenda.

MACK – funny how you say that Obama can’t unite his own party – but you fail to place the division of the party where it squarely belongs – on the race-baiting and temper tantrum lying shoulders of the Clinton campaign – she lied about NAFTA, she lied about Ireland, she lied about Bosnia, she lied about the lady who died in Ohio, she lied about Iraq and being against it before she was for it – FACE IT she is a liar – and the last time we enabled a liar, we got Iraq and 4000 plus dead to show for it…
want to enable another one? Please don’t stoop to Rovian tactics of pointing to your opponent when you get busted – it is so transparent and shows how desperate your camp has become

And belonging to an “unashamedly black” church for 20 years is not divisive?

S4B0, there’s not an Obama supporter who thinks CNN has been pro-Obama. And it was only a few days ago, ABC (who aired Wright on a loop, and had Obama ‘smokin’) was seen as being overtly pro-Clinton. Track back, willya? Margaret, Obama gives interviews, not just speeches, fyi.
Hillary’s issues with giving her own ‘charity’ money for a tax write off, Tuzla, the Iraq vote, Giustra, Bill&Burkle… and pawning herself off as closer to Obama’s income to appear ‘less rich’ for Pennsylvania’s blue collar crowd. She’s amazing. Like McCain trying to make us forget he voted against the MLK holiday, and four years later, against funding related to it.

We are entering the theater of the absurd with Hillary’s seemingly limitless ability to make “misstatements.”

Actually, I gave my college money to my parents to try and save their home after refinancing, after being laid off soon after 9/11. I lived in a shack next to them and paid for thier food and electricity for two years, paid for their medical expenses and gave up my future for them and my brother so my family could make it. My father died before I was born, My mom was an anti anxiety junkie, and my step dad early in my school life, decided he needed to be a different person and have a sex change, take all the money from my fathers death and leave us high and dry. I started working when I was twelve years old, and you are obviously out of touch.

@Mack
It isn’t true that people who voted for Bush won’t vote Obama – I know some who voted Bush and are Obama supporters…. One such person is a United Airlines captain who has gone door to door for Obama.

OOPS—THE BIASED MEDIA IS AT IT AGAIN! I feel certain the biased media has been told to go easy on Obama because he is the black candidate, and it is just too racially divisive to bring up the truth about him, since the machine and the momentum is somewhat going in his favor now.
Americans: Do not be swayed by more of Obama’s WHOPPING LIES, JUST LIKE HIS WHOLE LIFE STORY IS A LIE—AND THE MEDIA JUST SHRUGS IT OFF, QUITE UNLIKE WHAT THEY DO TO HILLARY, WHO IS RIPPED TO SHREDS EVERY FEW MINUTES. SHE ISN’T ALLOWED TO PROTEST OR DEFEND HERSELF. IT’S DISGUSTING.
But I will promise you this: When it comes time to pull the lever or check the box for President, the pundits and that completely worthless Democratic Party duo of Pelosi/Dean ARE GOING TO GET A BIG SURPRISE.
Obama and the DNC bigwigs are destroying the Democratic Party!
See ya in November!

First Obama said he wasn’t in the church when Wright gave his hate filled sermon. Later, in his famous speech he said he was there. He must have known that there are things that would place him in the pews during on of those sermons.
Now he says he would have left the church had Wright not retired. CAN HE MAKE UP HIS MIND?
WHAT ELSE IS HE HIDING FROM THE AMERICAN PEOPLE? He has run his entire campaign on “lies”.
Obama is not responsible for what his pastor/mentor said, but he is responsible for lying about it, and many other things. He simply has lost credibility. Hillary is the better candidate.

Obama unelectable?
Clinton electable?
This from Rasmussen today:
“In Iowa, the latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey finds Barack Obama leading John McCain 46% to 42%. However, McCain leads Hillary Clinton 51% to 36%. Those results are similar to the previous election poll in Iowa.
McCain leads Clinton by a two-to-one margin among unaffiliated voters. However, Obama leads McCain 46% to 37% among those same voters.”
Iowa’s a red state, no?

All she has to do is tell the truth, I do not think she ubderstands that! The media is looking at both Obama and Clinton she just needs to truthful.

I’m democrat and African American Democrate to be exact. Have been for over 30 years.. This primary has sickened me. Everyone who said the party is destroyed is right. Before I let some crazy, bigot, arrogant man take office I’d vote for McCain. AND IF HE PICKS HUCKABEE AS VP IT’S A WIN.

Attention all Americans who believe in a fair race: Obama’s Illinois strategy is being used again here in the Dem race … in Illinois, he got a team of lawyers together who poured through the paperwork of the opposing candidates and found technical errors in their filing papers which Obama then used to succeed in having them disqualified from the race … so Obama ran unopposed. Sound familiar???
This is a matter of public record as reported by numerous “news” outlets, including the Chicago Tribune, who has endorsed Obama.
Here again, Obama is trying to drive out the competition so that he can run unopposed. It isn’t hard to see why the media is helping him: all that campaign money he’s raising … where does it go? For media ads and coverage … he’s a cash cow for the media.
Now Obama is trying the same dirty tricks and tactics to try to secure an unopposed run as the Dem nominee. We, the people, need to stop him. No matter how you feel about the candidates, the process of electing our next Dem nominee needs to be democratic and open … not a one-way, unopposed ticket for the media’s cash cow.

She’s a congenital liar.

The Clintons have helped Obama so much by getting all that garbage out now before the election in November.
In desperation to land some knockout punch, some McCain supporters, following the precedent of Clinton surrogates, are already invoking Mr. Obama’s race, middle name and tourist snapshot in Somali dress to smear his patriotism. The idea is to make him a Manchurian candidate, a closet anti-Semitic jihadist trained in a madrassa run by, say, Louis Farrakhan.
FRANK RICH

The people in the media will always be biased. They are people just like us that have families and want what is best for themselves and their families.
If you don’t like ABC or some other news organization then simply switch channel…it’s that easy.

Im a white woman who does not think or believe Reverend Wright is racist. Fox news has brain washed the Hillary and McCain supporters. I bet all of you who talk about him being racist never even listened to Wright’s speech in intirety. It is true that 911 was bought on by the U.S. and that is why we depsperatly need Obama to win the presidency. He spoke the truth about America (the sermon was inspired by a white man who was in charge of the 911 commisions)
Any Hillary supporter who talks about the lies of Obama and then turns a blind eye to the numerous amounts of lies Hillary has told, is then very hypocritcal and in serious denial. Im sure Obama has lied. Hillary has lied. McCain has lied. But that’s not my issue. My issue is that we need someone with good insight.
Im a feminist who believes in equal rghts for women strongly. I believe we are ready for a woman president. But NOT Hillary. She is power hungry. She got a little taste of it while Bill was president and she wants it all. I can’t support a woman who had other women stalked and theatened on account of her philandering husband.
There is so much that Hillary’s supporters don’t know about her and they choose to be mis informed.
You can talk about Rezco all you want but that won’t change the fact that Hillary allowed an ex convict( Peter Paul) to fundraise for her (1.2 milliom dollars to be exact) Then she lied about her association with him only to have been recorded in a conversation she was having with him.
She DID get that poor man that ran the travel office for 3 years under over 5 presidents fired because she wanted her hollywood cronies in control of that office, hence the travelgate scandal. Her only way out of prison was “I do not recall” which she recited over 50 times.
The only time she has ever been in charge of anything in the White House has been the control of health care which she failed to do. She continuously says she opposed NAFTA but then she has schedules which shows she lobbied for the bill to be passed.
All you Hillary supporters who don’t see that Hillary is a much bigger liar than Obama are truly in denial. I feel bad for you people.

@Bob,
Why did you include me in this? You couldn’t be more anti-Hillary than I am and as far as Pastor Wright is concerned…well I don’t know what to think. For sure I didn’t like what I heard but haven’t written off Obama because of it.

HERE”S A TIP…

GOOGLE IT.

Did she “mis-speak” again? Was she simply “being human” again? Or does this woman L-I-E. You figure it out.

There will always be people willing apologize for and excuse other people’s actions. The fact of the matter is that you can’t claim to be a uniter when you’ve belonged to a separatist church for 20 years. All the excuses and apologies in the world can’t change the facts.

Obama July 2004 to the Christian Science Monitor,
“United States has an “absolute obligation” to remain in Iraq long enough to make it a success.”
“It would dishonor the 900-plus men and women who have already died. . . . It would be a betrayal of the promise that we made to the Iraqi people, and it would be hugely destabilizing from a national security perspective.”
Colin Kahl. Obama’s campaign adviser on Iraq,
“Stay on Success: A Policy of Conditional Engagement,”.“The U.S. should aim to transition to a sustainable over-watch posture (of perhaps 60,000–80,000 forces) by the end of 2010 (although the specific timelines should be the byproduct of negotiations and conditions on the ground).”

I want to know who will be the first person to critize the war in Iraq starting tomorrow morning. That’s the candidate I’ll support.

Obama’s mentor of 20 years, Pastor Wright, believes that the black oppressors came from white Europe.

I’ve been reading the Huffington Post for a few months now but I’ve never made a comment – until today. Thank you, Jake, for your careful fact checking. This story is very important – another crystal clear example of Clinton’s willingness to twist facts/the truth (that’s LIE to most of us)to be able to try to win the democratic nomination. I’m shocked that this fact-filled story is not making the 24 hour news media today as well as the huge story about Mark Penn and his links to the Columbia trade agreement (and Blackwater, and big oil and…). What does having Mark Penn as her top strategist say about her judgement and the kind of people she will surround herself with if she becomes president? If either of these stories were about Obama or his campaign, they would be receiving 24-7 looping coverage on CNN, Fox, and MSNBC. I only hope the American voters – especially all the hard working people of PA, NC, IN – are on line getting the true story about the constant manipulation of the truth and poor judgement by Clinton(s) and her campaign. I ,for one, find Mark Penn and his lobbying firm much scarier than Rev. Wright.

Until we all start driving vehicles that burn something other than foreign oil I don’t think any politician will do anything that much different from any other. And since no one wants to go back to horses (it’s the economy, stupid) I think we’re stuck with all this hot air from our politicians.
All this campaign rhetoric is just a lot of baloney designed to manipulate us to choose the party that gets first dibs to spend our money.

Hey, why don’t we DO OVER ALL THE STATES THAT HAVE VOTED and maybe Hillary wins them all???
I imagine some of the people who have already voted for Obama would like to change their votes—now that we know he’s spent 20 years being brainwashed by a radical, anti-American mentor, who spews “God Damn America”, in a ‘church of God’, among other horrible things!
Obama cannot be trusted. He has told too many lies.
Hillary ’08.

Obama cannot be trusted. He has told too many lies.
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THATS FUNNY COMING FROM A HILARY SUPPORTER..HAHA

Concerned: that is a great idea alot of people would like tochange there vote to Obama! Let’s do it!
Hey, why don’t we DO OVER ALL THE STATES THAT HAVE VOTED and maybe Hillary wins them all???
I imagine some of the people who have already voted for Obama would like to change their votes—now that we know he’s spent 20 years being brainwashed by a radical, anti-American mentor, who spews “God Damn America”, in a ‘church of God’, among other horrible things!
Obama cannot be trusted. He has told too many lies.
Hillary ’08.

GIVE HILLARY A BREAK. She is not running for President. Hillary is running for AMERICA’S NEXT TOP LIAR. You see her husband Bill Clinton made Richard Nixon look honest. Cheney made a mockery of that. Now Hillary Clinton believes that she can exceed Nixon, Clinton & Cheney combined. EVIDENCE & FACTS be damned, if the American public is stupid enough to buy it, Hillary will sell it.

Ok we should compare lies Hillary vs. Obama. I think you know who would come out on top.
Obama lies so often that he doesn’t even know he’s lying….Obama lies about his father coming to America – isn’t that a movie? Obama lies about Rezko. Why doesn’t the media ask Obama about Allison Davis, his first boss? WHERE ARE OBAMA’S 8 YEARS OF STATE SENATE RECORDS AND CALENDARS? Why is the media not reporting on his ARAB CONNECTIONS? OBAMALIAR, OBAMALIAR…just giving you Obamanations a taste of what you do to Hillary, it’s pretty much stupid repeats of Hillary is a liar, is that the new Obama campaign strategy? Just keep calling her a liar, don’t talk issues or policy because Hillary hasn’t come out with anything new for us to copy yet. Good luck in the debate…

One more issue Emilianna: Look at the media coverage of Hillary vs. Obama. The media has scrutinized every word, story and action of Hillary that it’s become mind numbing, and we are turning off the news channels because they are so blatantly sexist. Just look at the lengths Jake Tapper went to show that Obama allegedly spoke out against the war 8 days before Hillary! ooohhhh, what a huge misrepresentation. Hillary better not speak because someone in the media is waiting to pounce on whatever she says. Let’s shut that girl up! Meanwhile, Obama is given a free pass on his numerous lies, just ask if anyone remembers AMY’S LIST OF OBAMA LIES which was promptly removed by ABC off its boards. There is no scrutiny on Obama. Obama will not be proven a liar by the media because the media loves the MALE CANDIDATE and wants the woman out of the race. All of Obama’s achilles heels will be pierced in the GE, and it’s not fair to the Democrats voting now who deserve the media to tell them the truth about both candidates remaining. By the way, having the ALL THE BIG BOYS IN THE HARVARD BOYS CLUB BACKING YOU IS A HUGE ADVANTAGE FOR OBAMA!

We went into Iraq for its oil. The oil companies wanted it badly. The politicians who voted for it knew all about it. All they wanted was political cover in case things went badly. None of them really cared for our soldiers. Senator Clinton did what was politically expedient then. She should own up to it and convince us how she would make amends for putting us in a bind with 4000 lost lives and 20,000 badly injured soldiers not to mention hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi dead.

What is she waiting for ahe needs it now before P.A.
I heard that the information that the Clintons have on Obama is so lowdown that even thay don’t want to use it. But maybe that’s why Hil is carefree and not worried. I believe thay have something on Obama that will blast him in to orbit and out of the race. I’ve been hearing this prediction for a while from several sources, some in politics and some in the astrological field. Apparently there is something in Obama’s chart that indicates major deception and it will be revealed in a dramatic and timely manner. So I guess If they do have someting on O, it won’t be too far in the future before we find out what it is. I’ve heard talk that Ayers is involved and that he will bring Oboy down, all the way. Wait and see.

I still believe most Americans see through Obama’s lies and associations with anti-Americans and they will vote for Hillary.
Report This! Let the citizens of Michigan and Florida have their votes counted. Neither candidate can win without the results of these two states.
The 2000 election was screwed up by not counting votes. The Democratic Party is doing the same in 2008.
Obama knows how to fool the naive Americans who voted for him. We have 50 states—not 48.
Two wrongs don’t make a right—the voters in those two states DO matter!

Well spoken Laurie. I think a great woman President will come forward and be elected in a future election. I want history to look back and find whoever she is to have been a great leader and President.
I’m a 45 year old white male who changed his voter registration card from republican to democrat. I would very much like for Obama to become our President, but I will vote for Hillary if she is the nominee. 75% of the world outside of the U.S. do not want McCain to be our President. They disdain his and Bush’s foreign policies. They are hungry for change too, so I urge that NO Democrat votes McCain in the Fall. How can anyone just switch off their ideology out of spite or some feeling of being “disenfranchised”.

It’s amazing how Clinton get’s busted lying again and all her supporters come out and try and turn it back on Obama with more lies and half truths.
Who’s running her campaign, Carl rove?
After reading the responses of people who support her I’m even more glad I’m not one of them.

And again, it’s all copy & paste from the Hillary supporters / Obama bashers. You know guys, it shows when you all use the same sources.
Why not respond in a responsible way to the actual content of Jake’s report?
If it is your intention to shed a positive light on Clinton as a candidate, or to defend his false presentation of facts, please do. But stop posting useless crap without any relevance for this campaign. Most of it comes from anti-Obama sites run by shameless racists, I recognize it, and I know most of you do no and do want to be part of that sort of propaganda of white suprematist hate, even if it is your desire that Hillary would beat Obama in this campaign.
Please explain to us who fail to understand: why does Clinton lie time and again bout her actions in the past?

Clintons lie: Like husband, like wife.

I don’t want anyone to worry their pretty little heads about Obama. America does not deserve Obama they deserve McCain and they will get him. Poor stupid Hillary assumed that becuase Black folks liked her husband they would like her….How wrong was she? If her campaign is waiting to spring something about Obama she will lose come November because so many folks black, white, young and old will boycott her simply becuase they can’t stand to here the sound of her voice for the next 4 years. Oh and that 2012 run? Forget it, once they replay her 2008 run antics she will again lose. Face facts! Hillary assumed she was entitled to get the nomination. She will lose either in the primary or the general becuase I for one will do my part to make sure she stays a Senator.

How in the world can ANYONE compare Pat Robertson, and Jerry Farwell to Rev. Wright….Never in my 50 + years have I ever heard either one of them refer to another race in a derogatory manner…That is not a good comparison.. Sure they have said some over the top statements but, please let’s not make excuses for ill behavior.

There’s also Hillary’s standing up and cheering at Bush’s most recent State of the Union addresswhen Bush said the surge was working. Obama in contrast did not cheer.
It angers me that Hillary still cannot be honest about her misguided support for the war–that she can’t simply say flat out, “I was wrong.”

The economy is the Real Issue in this election. Who cares who said what first?!!! Senator Clinton is not the only one who voted for the war in Iraq based on false intelligence; and did anyone think of asking Senator Obama about the reason for voting against the same war, sound judgement?!!! Sound judgement usually comes after an analysis of the facts that make us reach a certain conclusion, exactly, what are those facts that Senator Obama had that made him vote against the war in Iraq? O.K., where was this sound judgement when he voted against listing the Iranian national guards as a terrorist organization?!! The Iranians are currently the ones creating the whole mess in Iraq. O.K., enough with that, nobody seems really to care. Let us go back to the issues that most concern us here in the U.S., the economy. Please stop for a second and ask yourselves this question, who is the one that should be handed the #1 job in the U.S., someone who has already been tested and who has proven that he/she could do the job, or someone without any proven records. Senator Clinton was telling the truth when she said it took a Clinton to clean the mess created by the first Bush, and she is probably right when she says she is the most qualified to clean the mess we’re currently in. What do we want for our county, a President who is experienced enough to handle the job from day one, or someone without any proven record?!!! What do we want for our country, another eight years of prosperity and welfare, or on-the-job training that no one could possibly know where it could take us? Stop being so negative. All those people running for office are politicians, and they all made mistakes; let’s concentrate on their proven records when it comes to public service; let’s concentrate on who is best capable of delivering his or her promises on day one; that’s what we need, someone who was entrusted with the job and who proved he could do it. It is for the prosperity and welfare of our country we should vote and not because msm, or senators and governors jealous of another big victory for the Clintons, that we should vote; if you don’t believe that go back to Gov. Richardson’s words, Clinton, Bush, Clinton, Bush, and what about the rest of us?!!! It’s not a game, Governor, it’s the future of the U.S. and the coming generations that we’re concerned about here.

The world has been watching the elections and the foregone conclusion is the woman is not afraid to lie because of the sniper story and now this. She has lost international respect. Blogs from Britain are calling her lady macbeth, the most unscrupulous character driven by ambition known in British history. This US blog sums it up:At 05:28 AM on 13 Feb 2008,OldSouth wrote:…”The Clintons have always made their way with a mix of aw-shucks charm and viciousness. Anyone standing between them and their ambitions was fair game.
They don’t know what to do with Mr. Obama, since he is neither charmed by them, or afraid of them.
And, as the process grinds on, people realize that they are unwilling to endure 4 or 8 more years of a Clinton White House. These are dangerous times, and we need a grown-up in office [who can tell the truth], not two massive egos consumed by the pursuit of power.”

I got bashed for saying that the opinion of people across the world’s opinion about this election doesn’t matter.
It matters now more than any other time in history. Bush created more disdain for America than any other Preident. We need to vote Democrat and earn the respect and cooperation of nations around the world.
Damn McCain and Bush for making us the most hated country there is!

Mrs. Clinton mis-spoke not once but twice in Eugene,OR. 1) Described in the above article. 2) She has stated many times, and again in Eugene, that other then her vote for war, that she and Obama have voted the same every time. This is not true. It is true that they both voted to supply our troops who are in Iraq for as long as we ask them to be there. However—On September 6, 2006 Senators Feinstein and Leahy presented a bill to the Senate that would have stopped the use of cluster bombs in civilian population areas, (i.e. villages, towns, refugee camps etc.). It is known that 1/3 of all those who are maimed and killed by cluster bombs are children. Senator Clinton voted to continue the use of cluster bombs. Senator Obama voted to stop the use of cluster bombs. This is particularly troubling in view of the fact that a large part of what Senator Clinton has based her campaign on is her advocacy for children. It is reasonable to hold Mrs. Clinton responsible for the choices she made during her watch. It is terrible that 4,000 American soldiers are dead. It is also terrible that between 500,000 and one million Iraqi men, women and children are dead. The Iraqis are at this time trying to organize a one million man march to tell America to get out of Iraq. This war has made America much less safe as it has greatly increased hatred for America in the middle east. Remember how angry America was when we lost 3,000 Americans to an act of aggression. Now imagine how any peoples would feel if that happened 333 times in a few short years. That is roughly the number of Iraqis who have died since we started this war that has proved innocent of weapons of mass destruction. If we provoke such anger, people are probably more likely rather than less likely to act on that anger. Barack Obama is right when he says this war has made us less safe.

Those individuals who call Senator Obama a racist and won’t forgive him for not “throwing Pastor Wright under the bus” are just putting words out there to fuel the fire. I believe that they think that if they say it enough times it will catch on…Nice try Hillary… But for those of us who are Obama supporters and are insightful to the ploys and demonic tactics of the Clinton Campaign..we say…Be still and know that there is a Greater Power than you are in the Univwerse and the truth will prevail.

Mellisa: That was well spoken and I really want to hear opposing viewpoints.
When I vote in this election the only thing I consider is my 12 year-old daughters future.

Just curious, did “Rocky” lie?

A new test has been devised by a prominent California university to determine when OBAMA is lying. It has achieved 100% accuracy. If works like this: If OBAMA’S lips are moving, he is lying.

All you Hillary haters. Read the following and then talk.
Hillary’s speech about her Iraq vote at
Where is Obama’s vote? Did he write to the president or senate with his objection? I guess NO.
The media has confused people a lot and it wil not stop.

It’s nice that Obama criticized Rice. It’d've been even nicer if, as a supposed war critic, he actually followed through on that and voted against her confirmation as Secretary of State, considering she was one of the architects of our failed Middle East policies.

Just rename her HILLIARY CLINTON and leave it at that

People should take note to the on record lies that Hillary has been caught in instead of bringing Obama into the picture. You people are doing the same thing Hillary did when she was first confronted about her Bosinia trip, she directed the reporters to Jerimiah Wright, instead up facing up or should I say womaning up to her repeated told fantasy, tha she only wiished were true. But even if was true, there would be yetr another sad realization of the Clintons, and that is that they would fly their young daughter into such a dngerous place while Bill is at the Whitehouse “working.”

Hillary caught in another much repeated lie to voters by CNN and trying to rangle her way out of it!
“CNN) — Hillary Clinton’s campaign says the candidate will stop telling the story of an uninsured pregnant woman who lost the baby and died after being denied medical care, following a hospital raising questions over its accuracy.”

The Obama campaign, with the help of their hired media, has gone on the offensive with their “clinton lies” campaign. All they want to do is play it up before the PA primary so it will be a distraction from the real issue of Obama lying about Rezcko contributions and the Wright sermons. No one is buying this new strategy. Real people know who the liar is. PA will knock obama out of this race once and for all. It will be WINNER TAKE ALL – I guarantee it.

@ 1962ottumwa
Am I Repubican or Democrat?
Frankly, I don’t know anymore. I’m pissed at Bush for a variety of reasons and by extension doubt McCain would be much different, absolutely can’t stand Hillary, and had hope for Obama as a uniter until I heard his Pastor – whose words just make me cringe and now I question Obama’s ability to do any substantive. He does give good a good speech and he has handled Hillary amazingly well.
Lousy choices this year.
My big issue is national security and that goes to not only being protected from terrorists but also not having the price of oil so high that we have to choose between going to work or eating. I don’t think that any of the candidates in practice will be much different from the others – despite what they say.

Uretha: How shocking! CNN caught Hillary in another story that is wrong in some way, any way, whatever way ther is to bash her over and over! Citing CNN or MSNBC as a place for facts on Hillary is like citing Karl Rove for facts on Hillary. When do you think Anderson Cooper, Chris Matthews and that blowhard Keith Olbermann will start fact checking that LIAR Obama?

Please! This is not a big deal; apparently Hillary didn’t know what was said during Condi Rice’s confirmation hearing 8 days prior to her written statement. Consider this -
In 2002 Obama attends an anti-war rally and gives an anti-war speech to anti-war protestors. Not exactly sticking his neck out there; indeed, he was preaching to the choir.
In 2003 all mention of anti-war was off his website; he was ramping up to run for U.S. Senate and didn’t want to rock the Iraq boat since pro-war sentiment was high at that time. In other words, he was again telling the people what they wanted to hear.
Since being sworn into the U.S. Senate he has indeed voted right down the line with Hillary except for 1 time.
When he began his presidential bid, he stated over and over that he would bring all the troops home within 1 year.
Recently, he upped the time to 18 months.
We now know that his foreign policy advisor has said that he won’t be bound by campaign promises when it comes to troop withdrawal and indeed, he’ll leave some form of military in Iraq (like a strike force) to deal with any problems that arise after withdrawal.
Guess what? Obama’s plan is now very close to McCain’s. Or is it? Does anyone really know what Obama means when he speaks? He twists, flip flops, out and out lies, gives pretty speeches to change our focus, stands for everything and nothing.

The Clinton campaign said that the senator had been told the story by a sheriff’s deputy, and had not been able to fully check its accuracy. “We did try but were not able to fully vet it.” This is the exact same thing that President Bush did, he insisted that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction and that is one reason why we went to war in that country. Now he is being critcized by Clinton and others for not fully checking the accuracy of the reports. Ms. Clinton is acting in the same manner as Bush and this should be a RED flag to us all.

SusiQ: I won’t say that you are wrong, but I do hope that whoever becomes President will ACTUALY bring about a safer world and make the middle-class more prosperous.
The middle-class funds this government, not the wealthy. If we have any hope of paying off $8 trillion of debts or keeping Social Security alive, then the only real way to make that happen is by making the middle-class more prosperous.
Thanks, to GWB we have a world that is poised to do whatever they can do to turn around our inept foreign policies. I believe that the world has no higher opinion of McCain than they do of Bush.

This dip, is not a false claim, if you look at what she said. How fast you guys are to call Hillary a liar. I suggest you read the following information I am posting and stop propping up Obama.
Just look at the scrutiny of Hillary’s campaign recieves versus Obama. She’s telling a story given to her by a sheriff’s deputy (probably an Obama plant or how else could they have traced the hospital)? Where may I ask is the scrutiny of Obama? The MSM and Obama’s hounds need to get off her back and look at what, if anything, Obama is offering America or is he just borrowing Hillary’s plans? Apparently, Sen. Obama has appointed a truth squad in Indiana. So, why doesn’t Obama have them look first at his lack of experience, lies and theft of Hillary Clinton’s policies, position papers, etc. and expounding on them to make them his own work/ideas. Such as the following documentation of borrowed economic speech where, once again, he borrowed plans:
“1) Hillary called for a $30 billion fund to help states and localities to fight foreclosure in their communities. [Clinton Campaign Press Release,3/20/08] (Experience and clear vision)
One week later, Barack Obama called for an economic stimulus package of $30 billion to provide ‘immediate relief to areas hardest hit by the housing crisis.’[Reuters, 3/27/08]
2) Hillary’s plan introduces idea of ‘second stimulus.’ “That is why Senator Clinton is calling on Congress and the President to pass a second stimulus package. This time around, the primary focus should be on addressing the growing housing crisis. And by investing new, temporary resources in a housing-focused stimulus package, we can avoid the worst fall-out from the current downturn, keep families in their homes and stabilize communities.” [Clinton Campaign Press Release, 3/20/08]
(Experience over empty words)
Obama’s plan uses the exact same language: ‘Enact a Second $30 Billion Stimulus Package to Address the Mortgage Crisis, Protect Vulnerable Families and Strengthen the Economy.’ [Obama Plan to restore Confidence in the Markets, 3/27/08]
3) Hillary’s plan reiterated her support for increasing unemployment insurance: “While this second stimulus package should focus predominantly on the housing crisis, Congress should also consider temporary measures to help struggling workers like extending unemployment insurance.” [Clinton Campaign Press Release, 3/20/08]
(Substance over delivery style)
Obama’s plan includes the same call for increasing unemployment insurance: “Barack Obama believes we must extend and strengthen the Unemployment Insurance (UI) program to address the needs of the long-term unemployed, who currently make up nearly one-fifth of the unemployed and are often older workers who have lost their jobs in manufacturing or other industries and have a difficult time finding new employment.” [Obama Plans to restore Confidence in the Markets, 3/27/08]“.
This is just one documented example of Obama’s copying of Hillary’s work. The real question here is, who is he going to “borrow” from if, big IF”, he would manage to steal the nomination after lifting most of “his” planks while running for President? I leave that to the American electorate to decide, at least the rest of “US” left to vote. Please check out the real truth not just what the prejudiced main stream media has to say about Obama. We need a President who will be able to take on the really serious problems we face, at home and abroad, in America. Go “US”- Vote Hillary for a peaceful and prosperous America starting in 2009.
On April 1, 2008 the New York Times printed an article on “Straight Shooting From Tuzla,” by Lissa Muscatine, former chief speechwriter and Melanne Verveer, former chief of staff for Hillary Clinton when she was first lady. They accompanied Hillary on this trip to Tuzla in March 1996. Ms. Muscatine is now apparently an adviser to Hillary’s presidential campaign. Please go to this article at:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/o1/opinion/01muscatine.html?
In short, this article sheds light on Hillary’s account of this Boznia event as appropriate recollection regarding preparation provided to her before the landing documented by the video footage. This video is but one dimension of the whole story replayed over and over again by the press/MSM. The truth is Hillary embellished the actual landing scene because, as it turns out, to paraphrase the article, at the particular time of their arrival at that moment in time, it was safer than anticipated. Prior to the landing of the C-17 cargo plane because they were flying into a danger zone, in fact a hostile environment. Before landing they were issued flak jackets and were given information that the tarmac ceremony might be canceled because of sniper fire from surrounding hillsides. Hillary and Chelsea got moved to the armored cockpit prior to the landing. Other security included strategic placement of armored vehicles around the tarmac. Also, Apache helicopters were hovering overhead. Please refer to the post identified above for the whole story and further information on Hillary’s entire trip to Bosnia a hostile environment on a peacekeeping mission by the first lady. Once again, the MSM has falsely and maliciously accused Hillary of lying. In truth, if she is guilty of anything she is only guilty of misstating the details this event which occurred over 12 years ago. How is your memory for 12 years ago? I surmise they wouldn’t be as close to accurate on this account either as Hillary’s recollections was. My question is, why isn’t the MSM telling the whole story on this event instead of playing what looks to be an incriminating story about our first lady? I think we all know the answer to that question. Go Hillary, the only candidate who can run against an opponent, the MSM, the RNC and now it looks like the DNC and still come out with over 50% of the American public vote in states that are not able to lower her base of support (the caucus). You decide for yourself the rest of America. I, for one, trust Hillary’s judgment and I know we can count on her to restore our standing at home and abroad!!! Thank you.
Hillary will solve our economic woes and restore America’s greatness at home and abroad. Vote Hillary for solutions to Americans real problems- “it’s the economy stupid. Put your future in the hands of someone who really cares about “we the people”, Hillary!!!
Please go to http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/o1/opinion/01muscatine.html? to get the real truth on Bosnia. The truth that the MSM will not discuss because it tells what Hillary was prepared for on her arrival to Bosnia, which is what her 12 year old memories were based on in her misstatement on Bosnia and touted as a lie to discredit her by the MSM. Thank you for seeking the real truth not the media slant of the truth. You must be kidding me? How does the DNC think we are going to have a united front in November, by disenfranchising the voters of MI? I suppose the DNC is in Obama’s corner just like the MSM. This will not do with the rest of “US” Democrats and this had better come together without favoring Obama.
Another post I found reads as follows:
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Obama Connection to Terrorists Revealed by Talk Show Host
By Jim Kouri
MichNews.com
Mar 24, 2008
There is a far-reaching scandal brewing for presidential hopeful Sen.
Barack Obama, thanks to a radio talk show host based in Oregon.
Syndicated talk host Laurie Roth’s revelations make the news story about
Obama’s relationship with a racist, anti-American pastor look like
child’s play.
A top official at the Pentagon during former-President George H. W.
Bush’s Administration and a former CIA intelligence officer maintain
that Barack Obama and former Weather Underground honcho William Ayers
funneled money to Professor Rashid Khalidi, a known terrorist sympathizer.
Khalidi serves on the faculty of Columbia University in New York and is
best known as the professor who invited Iranian President Ahmedinejad to
visit Columbia University after he finished his speech at the United
Nations. According to confidential sources, Khalidi has direct ties to
the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO), a group on the US State
Department’s list of known terrorist groups.
“One source for this information was once a top military figure in the
1990s. He doesn’t take making allegations lightly. If he says something happened, believe me, it happened,” said syndicated radio talk show host Laurie Roth …
Finally:
http://www.cleveland.com/schultz/index.ssf?/base/living-0/120747066426150.xml&coll=2&thispage=1.
Go to this post everybody. The above is linked article is correct, men do not have the right to tell Hillary to get out of the race and she won’t. Obama has much more dirt that, I think, is about to come out. I believe she knows what the “dirt” is but won’t say in order to protect the DNC. Finally, she needs to stay in this race until the end of the process to save the democrat party. That is, if it is worth saving.
Thank you.

In 2002 when Obama had the “Courage” to make a speech at an ANTI-WAR Rally… where Jesse Jackson was the guest Speaker and Obama an unknow stumping for votes… He had no Vote in the Senate. So his entire premise is based on campaigning and is another Obama underhanded half-truth at best.
I can’t that’s still his best bet at proving he’s more qualified to be President than Hillary? What does that say about the substance of his experience and judgment?
Then, in 2002, dissatisfaction with President Bush and Republicans on the national and local levels led to a Democratic sweep of nearly every lever of Illinois state government. For the first time in 26 years, Illinois Democrats controlled the governor’s office as well as both legislative chambers.
The white, race-baiting, hard-right Republican Illinois Senate Majority Leader James “Pate” Philip was replaced by Emil Jones Jr., a gravel-voiced, dark-skinned African-American known for chain-smoking cigarettes on the Senate floor.
Jones had served in the Illinois Legislature for three decades. He represented a district on the Chicago South Side not far from Obama’s. He became Obama’s kingmaker.
Several months before Obama announced his U.S. Senate bid, Jones called his old friend Cliff Kelley, a former Chicago alderman who now hosts the city’s most popular black call-in radio ­program.
I called Kelley last week and he recollected the private conversation as follows:
“He said, ‘Cliff, I’m gonna make me a U.S. Senator.’”
“Oh, you are? Who might that be?”
“Barack Obama.”
Jones appointed Obama sponsor of virtually every high-profile piece of legislation, angering many rank-and-file state legislators who had more seniority than Obama and had spent years championing the bills.
“I took all the beatings and insults and endured all the racist comments over the years from nasty Republican committee chairmen,” State Senator Rickey Hendon, the original sponsor of landmark racial profiling and videotaped confession legislation yanked away by Jones and given to Obama, complained to me at the time. “Barack didn’t have to endure any of it, yet, in the end, he got all the credit.

Re: Posted by: hencken | Apr 6, 2008 4:07:34 PM
“… and then some might say: I’ll vote for McCain”
You know, I think those that say that are Republican trolls also.
I agree with your posting. I think all the diatribe is another Republican “dirty trick”, probably done with some organizing behind it by certain factions or leadership.
I still hope that idealistic Dems will stay idealistic and not buy that garbage.
And if true, I would also like to see Hillary’s campaign come out and disavow it in the strongest terms as it hurts her more than anyone. Woe to her if she knows it’s coming from the other side, finds it advantageous and is using it in the primary campaign.

RS: When the fan hits, Hillary can sure do a reverse turn:
“Hospital chief executive officer Rick Castrop in a statement said, “we reviewed the medical and patient accounts of the patient” after she was named in a newspaper story about Clinton’s stump speech. “There is no indication that she was ever denied medical care at any time, for any reason. We clearly reject any perception that we ever denied any care to this woman.”
This some serious lie!

Yes, Obama gave anti-war speech in 2002. However, in 2004, during his US senate campaign, he publicly stated his beliefs in US forces remaining in Iraq to stabilize the war-ravaged nation.
It does not make much difference his objecting C. Rice when in fact he did vote for her confirmation.
In my opinion, both democratic candidates are not trustworthy. It seems that now, Mrs. Clinton fell into Mr. Obama’s category — “just words”.

Hillary gets weirder with every speech, most notably when it’s about Iraq. After the Oregon speech Jake reports on, she held a campaign rally in northwest Montana, during which Hillary defended her vote for the war in Iraq saying “I’m very comfortable that I made a sincere vote based on my best assessment at the time, and I am more than willing to be held accountable for it.”
Very comfortable, folks, even after 4000 Americans died in vain, very comfortable!
But now notice where she really gets weird: a psychological analysis of Saddam Hussein is now part of Hillary’s defense of her pro-war vote. The analysis is so hilarious that it’s difficult to believe she actually dared to come up with this. I never heard such a bullsh*t story concerning the “best assessment at the time” before. From a Fernando Suarez report at CBS:
“The most interesting was that Clinton said she took into account Saddam Hussein’s fragile state of mind saying that “he was a megalomaniac” and went on to say that Hussein would feel pressured to “do something” given Osama bin Laden’s ascent in the world of terrorism.
“We knew that psychologically, the idea that Osama bin Laden would now be given the top spot, so to speak, among extremists would be very hard for Saddam to take and would probably encourage him to do something.””
WE knew? Dr. Robin and Hillary?
And again she said in this speech:
“I had to make a decision. I had to cast a vote. I give credit to my opponent for making a speech, but a speech is not a decision and I had to make a decision.”
Please notice: standing up, as a state senator, against the war and giving a hell of a speech that accurately predicted the outcome of the illegal war, is NOT a decision. Obama simply gave that speech, without DECIDING to do so! Hillary no doubt admires such a miraculous act, for I think she simply DECIDED to lie about her stand on Iraq, her ‘best assessment’, and Saddam Hussein’s jealousy of Bin Laden.
What a candidate…

scorbs: Very good post. Hillary did oppose the war much earlier than this article suggests. This biased reporting has got to stop. For some strange reason, the same corporate press that protected George Bush for so many years, is now trying to shove Obama down our throats.

@scorbs
“October 10, 2002
Floor Speech of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton”
Hey! So you say Obama may actually have inspired her, after she had spoken out in the Senate in favor of a military solution for Iraq several times?
October 10, 2002… That’s 8 days after Obama’s speech against waging a war against Iraq.

Obama used to be able to bring IN Republicans and Independents, now, he can’t even keep Democrats on his side!

The rabid Hillary supporters will ignore anything that doesn’t support their mantra that Hillary is Ms. Perfect.
For the rest of us you are speaking to the choir. We know the Clinton political is experienced and powerful – they will narrow the focus, twist, flip, nuance their way to attempt to portray her as always holding the proper position of the moment.
So – great – what you are saying Hillary claims is she is the first person against the war IF you only consider after 2005, IF you only look at paper…. gad, whatever, I just tune it out because its just all blather anymore. Nothing meaningful is getting discussed.

SJ: The New York Sun, which no one would call a paper with a liberal bias (including them) first reported the story on Obama’s Iraq-war group, and they did a fair and balanced job of it. It is a work group and the opinion in question was part of a position paper. It is not a a final policy statement and the article made that very clear.

DeeDee: Thanks for putting things in perspective. I’d like to know who are the spin-masters that have gotten 10% of the population to believe that Obama is a Muslim. Are they the same one’s that critise him for attending an outspoken Christian Church for the last 20 years?

Can’t wait, I wonder what the next lie will be coming from ‘Ole Hill!

“The Presidency is not the place for on-the-job training on national security and foreign affairs issues.”
Who said this quote?
The biggest flip flopper of all time and an Obama endorser…John Kerry, he said it on September 2, 2003.

When I read:
“I don’t think it’s useful to set a deadline because I think it sends a signal to the terrorists and the insurgents that they just have to wait us out…”
I wasn’t sure who said it.
Condoleeza?
Hillary?
Lyndon Johnson?
Richard Nixon?
or Henry Kissinger?
In fact, Hillary was the one being cited this time, but all said it or something close before.
What I don’t get about Hillary and maybe this goes to whether she is or is not smavery smart is why she thinks, after 8 years of W, American want to vote for another liar, even if they can, with here, get two?

Count all theVotes: Obama gave a speech against the Iraq war days before the invasion of Iraq in Chicago. CHICAGO. I don’t think anybody would call that an all-liberal college town.

hubbs it clearly works both ways

@jacksmith
“you are almost 100% certain to get quality, affordable universal health care very soon.”
How is Mrs. Clinton going to improve the quality of my health care – which I think is excellent as it is? What do you consider affordable?
Personally I think that to lower insurance costs and therefore healthcare costs you first have to limit the ability of trial lawyers to make bogus claims. I happen to know a personal injury attorney who has made millions suing school sports programs, doctors, whoever. We all pay for this. I believe any national “health” plan will have huge benefits for trial lawyers and this does nothing for our quality of care.

Obama’s Oil Spill
March 31, 2008
Obama says he doesn’t take money from oil companies. We say that’s a little too slick.
Summary
In a new ad, Obama says, “I don’t take money from oil companies.”
Technically, that’s true, since a law that has been on the books for more than a century prohibits corporations from giving money directly to any federal candidate. But that doesn’t distinguish Obama from his rivals in the race.
We find the statement misleading:
* Obama has accepted more than $213,000 from individuals who work for companies in the oil and gas industry and their spouses.
* Two of Obama’s bundlers are top executives at oil companies and are listed on his Web site as raising between $50,000 and $100,000 for the presidential hopeful.
Analysis
Sen. Barack Obama’s ad began running late last week in Pennsylvania and Indiana. In it, Obama talks about the United States’ reliance on foreign oil and the need for energy independence and alternative fuels.
Only Legal Contributions, Please
Obama’s right on both counts when he says that “Exxon’s making $40 billion a year, and we’re paying $3.50 for gas.” ExxonMobil’s profits in 2007 hit $40.6 billion, the highest ever recorded by any company.
Obama ’08 Ad: Nothing’s ChangedObama
Obama: Since the gas lines of the ’70s, Democrats and Republicans have talked about energy independence, but nothing’s changed — except now Exxon’s making $40 billion a year, and we’re paying $3.50 for gas.
I’m Barack Obama. I don’t take money from oil companies or Washington lobbyists, and I won’t let them block change anymore. They’ll pay a penalty on windfall profits. We’ll invest in alternative energy, create jobs and free ourselves from foreign oil.
I approve this message because it’s time that Washington worked for you. Not them.
The national average price for a gallon of gas in the week ending March 24, the most recent data available, was $3.26, but prices are higher than the average in some areas.
Our problem comes with this statement:
Obama: I don’t take money from oil companies or Washington lobbyists, and I won’t let them block change anymore.
It’s true that Obama doesn’t take money directly from oil companies, but then, no presidential, House or Senate candidate does. They can’t: Corporations have been prohibited from contributing directly to federal candidates since the Tillman Act became law in 1907.
Obama has, however, accepted more than $213,000 in contributions from individuals who work for, or whose spouses work for, companies in the oil and gas industry, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. That’s not as much as Sen. Hillary Clinton, who has received more than $306,000 in donations from people tied to the industry, but it’s still a substantial amount.
Here’s a chart we made, using the OpenSecrets.org database, of contributions to Obama from individuals employed by some of the largest oil companies in the U.S. Our numbers are conservative because the database doesn’t include donations of less than $200 (federal law doesn’t require the reporting of donations below that amount), and we haven’t included sums donated by the spouses or other immediate family members of the employees. Additionally, we haven’t included donations from people who work at smaller firms in the industry.
REGULATING NUCLEAR INDUSTRY:
The New York Times reported that, while campaigning in Iowa in December 2007, Obama boasted that he had passed a bill requiring nuclear plants to promptly report radioactive leaks. This came after residents of his home state of Illinois complained they were not told of leaks that occurred at a nuclear plant operated by Exelon Corporation.
The truth, however, was that Obama allowed the bill to be amended in Committee by Senate Republicans, replacing language mandating reporting with verbiage that merely offered guidance to regulators on how to address unreported leaks. The story noted that even this version of Obama’s bill failed to pass the Senate, so it was unclear why Obama was claiming to have passed the legislation. The February 3, 2008 The New York Times article titled “Nuclear Leaks and Response Tested Obama in Senate” by Mike McIntire also noted the opinion of one of Obama’s constituents, which was hardly enthusiastic about Obama’s legislative efforts:
“Senator Obama’s staff was sending us copies of the bill to review, and we could see it weakening with each successive draft,” said Joe Cosgrove, a park district director in Will County, Ill., where low-level radioactive runoff had turned up in groundwater. “The teeth were just taken out of it.”
As it turns out, the New York Times story noted: “Since 2003, executives and employees of Exelon, which is based in Illinois, have contributed at least $227,000 to Mr. Obama’s campaigns for the United States Senate and for president. Two top Exelon officials, Frank M. Clark, executive vice president, and John W. Rogers Jr., a director, are among his largest fund-raisers.”

24,27,31,32, are lies not truths. That doesn’t negate the other 66 lies he told.

Senator Clinton continues her downward spiral. All these bloggers look for ways to attack Senator Obama even while their candidate is caught in lie after lie after lie.
I for one refuse to think that the voting public is that ignorant. These pro Clinton bloggers have to be paid by the Clinton campaign. There’s no way these folks are this naive.

hibbiejebbie Why don’t you lay out some facts of your own then to support your candidate. Tell us a little about his record and experience and why you think he’ll make a good President.
We’ve already heard the hope, change, inspiring, wrote a good book, gives a good speech, gave one anti-war speech arguements- so give us something to hang
our hat on please.

hold on now.. now just hold on a minute dang it…
I’m absolutely certain that hillary meant after January 26th 2005! … say about 1 minute before her statement. now after that you see she was the first and that’s a fact.

I can’t believe that Obama followers here are still asserting that Obama is ahead in delegates… Bla, Bla, Bla…
Someone even said Liar Liar Pants on Fire about Hillary.
This is a strategy that is backfiring on Obama. People all over the country are excited to vote. Haviing a longer primary registers more new voters and that is more Democratic and will help win a General election.
Obama told a group in PA that, “It’s like a long movie that’s gone on too 1’2 and hour too long” and the next day CHANGED, Flip-Flopped whatever you want to call it an said, she can stay in the race if she wants to (like she needs his permission).
Asking for Hillary to drop out makes Obama seem cowardly (which I BELIEVE he is) and disrespectful of American voter’s desire to be involved in the selection of a President(which he obviously does not value voter’s rights in FL and MI) and makes Obama look like someone who is afraid that time will not be kind to his credibility.

i think we need to limit “Cut and Paste” to a half page or less.
I think we need to require that slanderous statements be attached to
some verification..
That way, we’d have less posts, but a much more interesting blog.
(of course, that would rule out people like Vanessa and Bob D.C……)

This will be all over soon after Pennsylvania. Hillary will win by less than 10% and Hillary’s big donors will walk away from her. Nobody wastes money on a loser.

I was a Hillary supporter until I began to recognize a communication pattern among her supporters, including the bloggers and those who post on news sites like this. Whenever a report comes out that places Hillary in a less than favorable light, her supporters rear up like rabid attack dogs, foaming at the mouth with inane, venomous, and ill-informed comments–virtually all of which are directed against Mr. Obama. Mrs. Clinton’s supporters rarely exert much intellectual energy promoting her qualities. The energy is almost always devoted toward attacking Mr. Obama, the vast bulk of it completely missing the mark. I began to ask a deeper question–what is it about this woman who brings out the worst in people? I began observing her more closely–the way she expresses herself, the timing of style of her communications, the people she surrounds herself with. Even Hillary staff have privately acknowledged that it is their campaign–and not Mr. Obama’s–which has assumed the lead role in negative campainging, with the intention of putting Mr. Obama on the defensive. Mr. Obama has been a candidate who is widely recognized as running a more positive and truthful campaign. Anyone with half a brain–and particularly those with half a brain–can generate and lengthy list of lies of someone they despise. All it takes is marginal internet seaching skills and the ability to cut and paste. And anyone with a quarter brain–and particulary those with a quarter brain–can compose a screed laden with hyperbole such as “God help us,” and “Iran would love to see Obama in the White House.” I think the better path is to stop, take a deep breath, rid your mind of emotion, and observe. Just observe.

I think they should limit the posts to 1 or 2 paragraphs. I get tired of looking at the same people posting the same nonsense on all the blogs.

good idea…. but remember “A Tale of Two Cities” in which one SENTENCE took up half a page ;-)
i always thought slander was illegal…
silly me.

I guess this is an “Open Season on Hillary”. What kind of BS analysis this is on the part of ABC blogger. I guess you guys just somehow want to make another story to fit the ongoing theme that “Hillary is not truthful”. Evidently what Hillary said “when Sen. Obama came to the Senate he and I have voted exactly the same except for one vote. And that happens to be the facts. We both voted against early deadlines. I actually starting criticizing the war in Iraq before he did.” Hello ABC, she is actually making two points here: (1) ever since Obama came to Senate, his and her voting record regarding the war has been nearly identical; (2) She started crtitizing he war earlier than Obama.
Nowhere is Hillary saying that let’s start counting from Jan 2005 . That is just ABC’s twisted analysis. Now let’s look at the two claims she is making; while there is no doubt about the veracity of point (1) above. Even point (2) appears largely accurate. Hillary started criticizing the war or its execution well before Jan 2005.
For example, in April 2004 she said:”Obviously, I’ve thought about that a lot in the months since,” she said. “No, I don’t regret giving the president authority because at the time it was in the context of weapons of mass destruction, grave threats to the United States, and clearly, Saddam Hussein had been a real problem for the international community for more than a decade.” But she said the Bush administration’s short-circuiting of the U.N. weapons inspection process didn’t permit “the inspectors to finish whatever task they could have accomplished to demonstrate one way or the other what was there.” She also said the failure to plan properly for the post-war period “is the hardest to understand.”
In fact Hillary seems to have expressed concern over the Iraq war (or at-least Bush’s execution o fthe war) as far back as October 2003: In a speech on the Senate floor the Senator said, “This vote, 87-12, was a vote for our troops, it was a vote for our mission, but it was not a vote for our national leadership.” Explaining that it is important to support our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, Senator Clinton addressed her “yes” vote on the $87 billion supplemental appropriation approved by the Senate Friday evening. In doing so, she expressed strong concerns over the direction of the Bush administration’s Iraq policy.
Let’s contrast this with what Obama was saying about the war in 2003/2004: (From Commentary Magazine) Almost as soon as the war began in March 2003, Obama had second thoughts about his opposition to it. Watching the dramatic footage of the toppling of Saddam’s statue in Baghdad, and then the President’s speech aboard the U.S.S. Abraham Lincoln, “I began to suspect,” he would write later in his autobiographical The Audacity of Hope (2006), “that I might have been wrong.” And these second thoughts seem to have stayed with him throughout the entire first phase of the occupation following our initial combat victory. As he told the Chicago Tribune in July 2004, “There’s not that much difference between my position and George Bush’s position at this stage.”

“He lived on three continents and I think we know now that her foreign policy experience is a bust”————————————-
I have lived on two. Does that mean I can run for President in 2012?

Helen…I will give you five reasons (6 for the hell of it):
1. Exective ability: The largest organizations that Obama and Clinton have had to run (they are senators without real executive experience) is their campaigns. Obama, a freshman senator with very little name recognition, built a campaign that now has 1.3 million small donors. He is about to defeat CLINTON…recognize how huge this is; at the beginning of this race, she had the largest institutional advantages of any non-incumbent presidential candidate in recent memory and huge name recognition. BTW, I don’t think anyone is entitled to the presidency, you have to earn it. I don’t believe in the “take turn” approach, where by he has to wait.
2. Judgement: In their campaigns, Obama appointed individuals based on experience, Clinton based on loyalty (Dolis Soyle et al.)…notice the results. Hiring based on loyalty is Bush-Cheney politics. Obama will pick experienced ppl with diverse backgrounds.
3. Leadership: You may not want to hear this, but one thing a leader needs is the ability to unify ppl behind a vision and then take them there. Obama has shown this with the awesome support he has garnered, with independents and republicans in the mix, and 1.3 mill small donors. Hillary is one of the most polarizing figures in politics today.
4. Changing America’s image: face it, Bush-Cheney scarred our image in the world. Only Obama is willing to meet aggressively with leaders abroad because an extra effort will need to be made.
5. Pragmatism: Obama is much more pragmatic than Hillary on many of these issues. Saying that universal healthcare must be mandated effectively gets us nowhere and we will see a repeat of what happened in the early 90s…Hillary wants extreme measures like freezing interest rates on mortgages, which will be detrimental to the housing market. There is issue after issue where Hillary is very dogmatic and Obama is pragmatic.
6. Transparency: Obama has already created a program with a very conservative senator Tom Coburn to make government more transparent and has signed a pledge (only he, Kucinich, and a few others, NOT CLINTON) to apply this transparency to the entire government when he takes office so Americans know exactly how every dollar is being spent.
There are others but this is tiring me out…

This article is about Clinton’s camp getting the facts wrong, this has nothing to do with Obama. Would everyone stop mixing the two, this article has nothing to do with anything except the facts so please people do not loose sight.

A tidy syllogism james–
If people who criticize Hillary are sexist, and you criticize Hillary, you must be sexist! The hidden bias virtually exposes itself, and all credibility is lost. Playing the racism card is no different than playing the sexism card. Attack is self-hatred projected outward. Choose the path of peace, but first, get some sleep.

hold on now… hold on a dang minute..
now hillary simply mispoke and meant to say
after the 26th of January..
about 1 minute after her comment
nobody but nobody spoke out earlier than that and thats a fact.

It’s important to note that Bush used the following authority from Congress to invade Iraq: “[the President is authorized to] defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq”. Senator Levin had proposed an amendment to the Resolution that authorized the President to committ forces only if the UN authorized armed intervention. It also provided that he could call the Congress into Session for approval of use of force if the UN would not agree, but he felt it was necessary. Some Senators thought this was not threatening enough to move Saddam on the issue of inspections, so Senator Durbin proposed instead, an amendment that would only remove the statement “[the President is authorized to] defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq” and replace them with the words “[the President is authorized to] defend the national security of the United States against an imminent threat posed by Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction”. This would have been tougher language than the Levin amendment to bully Saddam with, but would have prevented the President from committing us to a pre-emptive invasion based on Neo-con theory. But Hillary did not support either of those amendments. She played it straight Neo-con, as did many other Democratic Senators. Either they were bullied by the hysteria of the President’s rush to war, afraid of appearing weak and unpatriotic, or else they cynically went along with it for political expediency, or they really agreed with the Unitary Executive Neocon notion that the President should be able to invade on a whim without consulting Congress further. I think Hillary was swayed by all three considerations. It is not credible that she did not understand that she was authorizing the President to invade Iraq, with or without a justification for war. The alternative amendments make it clear that everyone in the Senate understood the difference that this language made.

The Iraq War was and continues to be a complicated issue, marred by misinformation and difficult decisions, so I will forgive Senator Clinton for some missteps, particularly in the early going, but for her to try to build a claim that she has been a leader on this issue rather than a follower is deceitful, particularly when Senator Obama had it right from the beginning.

“I am so tired of everyone forgetting what the situation was like back then. 9/11 was fresh; Bush was a god; and anyone who voted against either was Commie Pinko Traitor.”
Aswolian,

Wow is there no end to her lies???

Cruel Hazel: For those who are unaware of Hillary Clinton’s true feelings about the Iraq war from BEFORE the intervention, here is an excerpt from her U.S. Senate floor speech on October 10, 2002:
October 10, 2002
Floor Speech of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton
on S.J. Res. 45, A Resolution to Authorize the Use of
United States Armed Forces Against Iraq
Some people favor attacking Saddam Hussein now, with any allies we can muster, in the belief that one more round of weapons inspections would not produce the required disarmament, and that deposing Saddam would be a positive good for the Iraqi people and would create the possibility of a secular democratic state in the Middle East, one which could perhaps move the entire region toward democratic reform.
This view has appeal to some, because it would assure disarmament; because it would right old wrongs after our abandonment of the Shiites and Kurds in 1991, and our support for Saddam Hussein in the 1980′s when he was using chemical weapons and terrorizing his people; and because it would give the Iraqi people a chance to build a future in freedom.
However, this course is fraught with danger. We and our NATO allies did not depose Mr. Milosevic, who was responsible for more than a quarter of a million people being killed in the 1990s. Instead, by stopping his aggression in Bosnia and Kosovo, and keeping on the tough sanctions, we created the conditions in which his own people threw him out and led to his being in the dock being tried for war crimes as we speak.
If we were to attack Iraq now, alone or with few allies, it would set a precedent that could come back to haunt us. In recent days, Russia has talked of an invasion of Georgia to attack Chechen rebels. India has mentioned the possibility of a pre-emptive strike on Pakistan. And what if China were to perceive a threat from Taiwan?
So Mr. President, for all its appeal, a unilateral attack, while it cannot be ruled out, on the present facts is not a good option.

Ok, what law are you experts referring to? Cite Statute or Case law, or anything that has to do with the “legal definition” of minority status. Or if you can’t, you should not repeat what you don’t understand.
What a bunch of clowns.

My vote is not, however, a vote for any new doctrine of preemption or for unilateralism or for the arrogance of American power or purpose, all of which carry grave dangers for our Nation, the rule of international law, and the peace and security of people throughout the world.
Over 11 years have passed since the UN called on Saddam Hussein to rid himself of weapons of mass destruction as a condition of returning to the world community.
Time and time again, he has frustrated and denied these conditions. This matter cannot be left hanging forever with consequences we would all live to regret. War can yet be avoided, but our responsibility to global security and the integrity of United Nations resolutions protecting it cannot.
I urge the President to spare no effort to secure a clear, unambiguous demand by the United Nations for unlimited inspections.
Finally, on another personal note, I come to this decision from the perspective of a Senator from New York who has seen all too closely the consequences of last year’s terrible attacks on our Nation. In balancing the
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risks of action versus inaction, I think New Yorkers, who have gone through the fires of hell, may be more attuned to the risk of not acting. I know I am.
So it is with conviction that I support this resolution as being in the best interests of our Nation. A vote for it is not a vote to rush to war; it is a vote that puts awesome responsibility in the hands of our President. And we say to him: Use these powers wisely and as a last resort. And it is a vote that says clearly to Saddam Hussein: This is your last chance; disarm or be disarmed.
~Hillary Clinton Oct 10 2002

This isn’t complicated, and none of Clintons speeches or quotes are going to change simple truth. Hillary Clinton voted to support the war in Iraq. The Senators knew exactly what they were doing when they took that vote. I listened to the debate and the speeches were passionate, profound and clear. I will never forget Senator Byrd’s. On October 11, 2002, these Democrats voted against President Bush (Democrat.com):
Daniel Akaka (D-HI)
Jeff Bingaman (D-NM)
Barbara Boxer (D-CA)
Robert Byrd (D-WV)
Lincoln Chafee (R-RI)
Kent Conrad (D-ND)
Jon Corzine (D-NJ)
Mark Dayton (D-MN)
Richard Durbin (D-IL)
Russell Feingold (D-WI)
Robert Graham (D-FL)
Daniel Inouye (D-HI)
James Jeffords (I-VT)
Edward Kennedy (D-MA)
Patrick Leahy (D-VT)
Carl Levin (D-MI)
Barbara Mikulski (D-MD)
Patty Murray (D-WA)
Jack Reed (D-RI)
Paul Sarbanes (D-MD)
Debbie Stabenow (D-MI)
Paul Wellstone (D-MN)
Ron Wyden (D-OR)
It took guts then to go against a popular president and it took guts and honesty later to admit that you voted with him and that you were wrong. John Edwards did – and has said clearly that he regrets his vote. Hillary Clinton voted to support George Bush – and now, once again, is trying to lie to make us forget the facts. She has absolutely no integrity. Whatever quote you come up with, whatever lie she comes up with, the record stands. Hillary Clinton voted for the Iraq war.

It is a shame that some Democrats have been manipulated by Obama’s media hype. They are about to hand the White House to McCain. There is no way that Obama with all the resentment and division and racial campaign he is running that he can win in November. There is still a change of solutions for America. Vote for Hillary Clinton.

This is not complicated, it is very simple, anyone can understand. Obama does not have a chance to win in November. We need Sen Hillary Clinton or the Republicans will continue destroying the country

Hillary is nothing but a program, an artificial intelligence that has been written and programmed by her advisors and Bill Clinton.
I just wish she was on my computer, so I could right click her, select delete, and empty the recycle bin.

Another day another lie, Hillary you are killing your political career. This will have to come out on MSM eventually.
The longer you drag this out the worse
you look to your country.
Girlfriend, go on vacation, get out of the race and the media for awhile. You just might save your senate seat that way.

Sloganeering Hillary goes around saying: solutions, not speeches.
Since leaving office, her unprincipled husband has made millions not by providing solutions to real problems but from giving s h i tloads of empty hot air speeches.

HRC is a human wrecking ball.

Obama is a complete liar and is unelectable.
Doesnt matter. The liberal media will shove Obama down our throats regardless.

America’s national security will always be better when it inspires the rest of the world rather than repulses it. The Bush administration has absurdly managed to squander all the good-will that was rightly offered to him after September 11th.
Generally speaking, the American elections are covered at least as much in the press in Europe, Asia and Latin America than they are in the US. Why ? Because the choice of US presidency probably matters even more internationally than it does domestically. And yet the two are of course intertwined.If the US wants to get it’s economy off its knees it will have to get the rest of the world to buy our products with pride rather than guilt.
While I do not believe in miracle cures, I do believe that a President Obama could conceivably re-restore an enormous amount of confidence in his country. For my taste Senator Clinton and her supporters have sadly disillusioned me too much with their all too obvious desire for power at all costs, even at the expense of their party and country. For perfect examples, just read the correspondence on this blog !
Whether or not America is ‘the best country in the world’, it is certainly time that its citizens behaved as such. Good manners would be a good start.

It’s not just that Hillary is lying to us, it’s that she expects us to believe the lies, and seems bewildered, when we don’t.
This has to be one of the all time, political idiocies out there.

So what else is new? The Clintons are pathological liarts who will do and say things for their own diabolical purposes. We do not need someone like her to be the Commander in Chief of our armed forces. It was bad enough when draft dodging Billy Boy was there. That big Bopsnia lie was a terrible insult to our military stationed there for her protection.

Sadly, Clinton’s getting favoritism in the press and has been despite her whinning so often to the contrary… Her lies are glossed over, her past criminal past whitewashed (like Whitewater) and her personal dislike of Blacks softpeddled. She’s a loser and needs to be treated like one. D.

I have a question:
What did Obama do to try to stop the war in 2002?
What did Obama do to try to stop the war in 2003?
What did Obama do to try to stop the war in 2004?
What did Obama do to try to stop the war in 2005? (He voted for more war funds)
What did Obama do to try to stop the war in 2006? (He voted for more war funds)
What did Obama do to try to stop the war in 2007? (He voted for more war funds)
Is it enough to say “I was against the war” and give a few speeches about it?
Why didn’t Senator Obama use the filibuster?
He claims he wanted to stop the war, but not enough to stand up?

Karl Rove says he respects Clinton more than he does Obama. What does that tell ya? Who would he rather have in the WH finishing Bush’s war?

Listen people…The guy is patriotic..He was the only one who said to keep going after Osma Bin Laden and pressure Pakistan when Clinton, Bush and McCain wanted to start an unneccessary war in Iraq…
Also, he is the only candidate that brings intergrity to the office. I mean the clintons lie and cheat (bosinia, the hospital story Hillary made up Lewinsky, Paula Jones, NFTA etc…) and McCain wants to spent an 100 years in Iraq and has no clue about the economy and I think NY Times hinted he might had an extramarterial affair with a lobyist.
Finally, Last September, Clinton was clear cut favorite for the Democratic nomination; she had over 20% lead nationwide;Obama was an afterthought…Today, Obama has a 12% lead nationwide, 134 delagate lead, 700,000 popular vote lead, won 25 states and has shattered donation records. The clintons have thrown the kitchen sink and the bathroom tub and he still survied and maintain his lead. In the process I think he is vetted. I dont think there nothing McCain can do to Obama that the Clintons have not already done. The way he managed and organized this campaign is exceptionally…One must use this example on how he will lead America. Its time for a change and that change is Obama.

Yeah she probably did. She “distorts” everything else.

What is she a child? I spoke out against the war before him so look at me and vote for me. Obama won’t call her out because then he’d be stooping to here level. He’ll let the people decide what to do.

Jason, don’t expect Obama to be the one to pull the troops out. Here’s his own words.
Obama July 2004 to the Christian Science Monitor,
“United States has an “absolute obligation” to remain in Iraq long enough to make it a success.”
“It would dishonor the 900-plus men and women who have already died. . . . It would be a betrayal of the promise that we made to the Iraqi people, and it would be hugely destabilizing from a national security perspective.”
Colin Kahl. Obama’s campaign adviser on Iraq,
“Stay on Success: A Policy of Conditional Engagement,”.“The U.S. should aim to transition to a sustainable over-watch posture (of perhaps 60,000–80,000 forces) by the end of 2010 (although the specific timelines should be the byproduct of negotiations and conditions on the ground).”
Obama is a liar.

Jason, do you think Obama pulls out all the troops or not?
If he is so against this war as he claims then if elected he would have an absolute obligation to pull every single troop out of Iraq. He also claims Afghanistan is the real war so he would also be obligated to put every single troop from Iraq into Afghanistan to fight the terrorist that are there and “not in Iraq”.
I’ve heard the yelling about how the terrorist weren’t in Iraq before we got there but are there now and there is also the little clause in the War on Terror resolution after 911 that gave the President the demands to go after the terrorist wherever they are. Before 911 the number one killer of Americans was not Sunni, it was Shiite.

HRC may very well have been against the war. But her calculated decision to support it because she planned a bid for President does not allow her to claim she had her fingers crossed. When you base everything you do on how it can get you to the White House vs. what you truly believe it shows lack of judgment, lack of commitment to democracy, lack of the leadership we need to right this country. Truth is HRC is a follower in the worse sense of the word. She puts her finger in the air to determine which way the political winds are blowing at the time, and crafts her persona to suit them. That hack Penn, lies about Bosnia, claims that being part of the ladies auxiliary equals presidential experience? SHAME ON YOU Hillary Clinton! SHAME ON YOU!

Carole, what quagmire? Either all the US troops stays or leaves. What do you think Obama would do if elected? Obama thinks he can fool all the people all the time but the truth is he can fool some of the people some of the time but he won’t be able to fool all the people all the time.

Interesting all the comments on Obama and the Rev.Wright,while he did condemend the Rev. on his comments he refused to destroy him,refused to toss aside all the good he had done,as Bill Richardson said at one debate his mind had wandered so when it was his turn to answer the question he was lost, Obama leaned over and whispered in his ear what the question was about,Richardson said he could have thrown me under the bus as he could have Rev. Wright but refused to do so,now to me that the mark of a man I’m sure Hillary would have chucked both of these people with out a thought.Now thats why Obama will get our vote two little instance’s of kindness which protrays his charater, too bad Hillary couldn’t say the same.!!!

This is why Dems should stay with with Dems and NOT be STUPID and vote with the republicans if your precious candidate is not nominated. This is completely aside from making the wrong decision to go to Iraq. If you wanted to go to Iraq fine. But the real war was in Afghanistan. Who in their right mind would not fight the wrong war in Iraq but fight TWO count them TWO wars at the same time. Not to mention send LESS troops the the real war and more to the WRONG war. And McCain continues to support the Wrong war. If you can’t see that, then you are obviously blinded by something deeper inside of you.

comcerned. And Hillary doesn’t lie everytime she speaks?

Well put Cree.

Um, Tony…you’re wrong. There were most definitely bookbags.

Jason, the WOT resolution didn’t specify just Al-Qaeda and there were many other terrorist groups in Iraq that was hell-bent on doing harm to US interest. Should Bush have ignored the Iraq or War on Terror resolution as passed by congress? Obama has stated that he was against the US going to Iraq so he admits he would have ignored congress.

My, my how many more lies will you have to be told before you realize Hillary is a liar and always has been. This is all about money and winning at any cost. Obviously winning the presidency and writing books and making speech can earn you millions…like 110 million so far for them. Guess they need more to pay for their island in the Caymans.

Every time there’s a news story, there are the shop worn, predictable screeds from the Hillary camp. “Obama is … ” The truth of the matter is that not one political analyst has pigeon-holed Obama without needing a redo. The reason is simply that Obama is not confining his decisions to what a democrat or republican may do. He is using common sense and the people’s interest as a guideline.
As for the Pastor’s remarks, talk about naive. Dear concerned: Did it ever occur to you these sound bytes were edited and framed exactly to get your reaction? Obviously, Obama was allowed to get all the way to the Senate without this scrutiny. Understand that the Pastor is referring to Bush’s America. He is saying no more than Michael Moore said. No more than the 9-1-1 conspiracy theorists have said. His comments are not new. They have nothing to do with being Anti-American. The real anti-Americans are the ones who allow the Bush’s to come in to office and do whatever they want because they are “The Deciders” and leave with their cache of loot, laughing all the way to the bank. The rest is smoke. The anti-Americans cause fear in people to divide them; let the environment get toxic for corporate profit, allow prisons to get filled up without questioning what is wrong; watching the burgeoning homeless populations in every urban center, the dollar decline in value, the infrastructure left to rot and kill Americans as you saw in Katrina and the bridge in Minnesota that collapsed from sheer neglect. That is anti-American. Speaking up loudly and being disgusted with what you see happening to our beloved country, can only be done by someone who has a heart and should be lauded as American. Anyone who says different has an agenda they are about to perpetrate on the American people. Look out. Be fearless. Have hope and vote smart.

“Iraq was not a terror nation it was a Rogue nation”
Jason really? No connection to terrorist?
No matter which way you try to spin what Iraq really was you are entitled to your own opinion but not the facts.

Just think about it. HRC’s husband, former president WJC, has made millions from giving worthless damp squib speeches.
There are hundreds of young companies with real products and services that don’t expect to make that kind of money even after decades in their business.
Beats me, who’d care to listen to WJC speak, unless you’re an old insomniac trying to get an hour’s worth of sleep.

IRAQ WAS NOT A TERRORIST NATION. IT WAS A ROGUE NATION. TERRORISM WAS NOT THE REASON WE WENT TO IRAQ. IT IS NOW THOUGH, CAN YOU TELL ME WHY.

Strange that all through the 90s Iraq was considered a “terrorist nation”.

hillary is making it a sad day for democrats with her kiss my attitude she is not the whole party just oppositin to it if bill could run people would vote she will be eaten up if she win’s the old has to go to get our future abroad back on track and Obama can get the troops out by talking to turkey iran and syria and anyone should know not to go to war without real back-up we defide nato and are guilty of some things for all of humanity should see if a candidate like Obama people say unknown yet he has won more competiton’s and raised more money and is waiting on Senator Macain we have 527′s also look no more big lies she need’s to stop saying 3oclock for she might get president clinton in trouble for not having a security clearance and listening to ears only info and i don’t he have put his wife and daughter in harm’s way go home let us hope in someone who really has been through some average american trail’s no offence Senator Mc-cain no one made you stay i did not join the milatary and i’m 46 for i did not feel that that all wars are not for us and sir you should have came home and got proper care how do we know you have been de programmed yet but we respect you for going there and you and i know if elected you will find a way to re-start the draft so at least Obama is not on the ego trip like hillary he is actually thinking about peace look this man has 2 young daughters don’t you think if the phone rang at 3 in the morning he would just answer he would be outside up in sleep-ware face not washed nor hair combed finding out if the danger can be detained plus i watched the whole lie on the invasion go down and if hillary had a lot of experience she would have known to hey her husband was a president she is not about all of our future just their legacy

Stop making up stuff, Iraq was not considered a Terrorist Nation then either. You can try all you want, I came in the Army in the 90′s. And I’ve been in every since.

Toby…
Your facts are what this President has told you. Other than that you have no facts. Politicians don’t lie to support their plans, and there were WMD in Iraq. Oh yeah and Mission Accomplished! and so you know I’m not biased, Hillary was dodging sniper fire in Bosnia.

Where is the video, the ad, that shows Hillary Clinton superimposed over bombs blasting in Iraq and showing every one of our dying soldiers with the blood on her hands? Where is this video? And why hasn’t it been shown here in Pennsylvania? The people in Pennsylvania really need to see this woman for what she really is–a liar and cheat. This is getting beyond the ridiculous, and now with her making these claims. I truly believe this woman is sick sick sick, there is something wrong mentally with her and she shouldn’t be allowed to get away with tripe like this. She doesn’t read intelligence reports, she goes and votes for the invasion and now she comes out with she criticized it before Obama? In her dreams! What a nutcase! OBAMA ’08!!!

If you think the media is biased, why don’t you go over to FOX where they are more Republican in nature. I’m sure you’ll feel right at home there. Additionally, CNN nore ABC has really said anything negative about McCain. It’s primarily been all about Obama, and Hillary. I’m sorry if McCains campaign is that boring. People don’t like boring!

Hillary Haters – See this video first.
ABC – You need to do proper investigation first.
The Clinton campaign is being accused of lying about the hospital story that Hillary Clinton has told to audiences on the campaign trail. Now Fox News is parsing the history of the event that ABC fully published on its Web site (VIDEO below). In that video, Bryan Holman is shown telling Hillary the story that she tells on the trail. The NY Times has published a report in which O’Bleness Hospital said they did not turn her away. But, that isn’t what Bryan Holman said in the first place. I have confirmed with Deputy Holman that he did not say O’Bleness denied Ms. Bachtel. It was another hospital that denied her. He is also clear that she wasn’t denied over a co payment as some have speculated. I will keep you updated here at NoQuarter as this story develops.
The thing you have to see is that this isn’t “THE HOSPITAL” in question. Bryan Holman said that after being denied, she went to another hospital.
Here’s the video of Bryan Holman telling the story unedited. (Note: in the middle he states she was denied treatment then went to another hospital, the O’Bleness hospital.)
Watch the actual video here -
http://tinyurl.com/4jjlu3

For the people calling Obama ghetto, that he can not be a president because he grew up in the ghetto???
Is this the best you can do???? Are you saying that people (black, white, etc.) if they live in the ghetto that they are not human??? Boy I pray that that old saying “what goes around comes around” does not hit you. Here is a lesson for you to think about today:
Did black people become depressed, disenfranchised and disempowered on their own? Would you suggest that they (or anyone) given equal opportunity would choose poverty, imprisonment and ignorance over success, freedom and education? Are we to believe that poverty or criminal behavior is somehow genetic and just being born black or white or hispanic somehow pre-determines you to these outcomes?
We are all products of our environment and our environments are decided for us long before birth. In the case of black Americans those pre-existing environments were shaped by slavery, civil rights battles won and lost and generally inferior class status and opportunities today. To deny that these factors exist would be akin to denying that you were born to a particular mother in a particular place at a particular time.
In order to truly effect change you need to change the environments and that’s an issue that goes beyond “black communities” and needs to involve all communities. After all, doesn’t the failure of one group in society ultimately effect the entire society?

Here’s another one of HRC’s big and impressive whoppers she has supposedly told many times: On 9/11, when the
two jet airliners crashed into the two towers of the World Trade Center in NYC, her daughter was jogging in
the neighborhood.

New Yorkers are already familiar with Hillary Clinton’s flip-flopping her position to appease whomever she has to at the moment to get her way (which changes all of the time). She doesn’t really care about any people or issues but just lies to get what she wants.
I recall one case in New York… the world-famous story in which four NYPD Officers pumped 41 bullets into an unarmed African immigrant on his doorstep because they mistook him for a rapist in the area. The policemen claim that they thought his black wallet was a gun in his hand as he was on the doorstep of his apartment building reaching for his keys to open the door.
Now the city was exploding with anger and all of the Black people were near rioting. Hillary was still campaining to win the NY Senate race and needed to scare up votes. It was the consensus in the city that the policemen were wrong and should be punished. During the height of this tension, Hillary Clinton pairs up with the controversial local Black civil-rights leader Al Sharpton and made a statement at his Martin Luther King Jr Day event. In front of a pro-Black audience she spoke passionately against the NYPD referring to the officers as “Murderers”.
This helped her popularity with Black voters at the time when the consensus was that the officers would be convicted (and the trial was expected to be held in the predominately Afro-American, Hispanic, and Other Non-White New York City urban area where the shooting took place).
Now the officer’s lawyers fought to have the trial moved to the mostly White NY suburb of Albany because they claimed that in the city the Officers could not get an objective Jury/fair trial in the City. They won the argument and the trial was moved to Albany.
Then suddenly Hillary (who by the time the case was ready to to to trial had already won the race for NY Senate, largely with Black and Hispanic votes) radically changes her position about the police shooting and death of the unarmed man and starts saying that she “mis-spoke” at Al Sharpton’s MLK event and that she did not mean to call the officers murders. …Changing her stance and abandoning the urban Blacks and Hispanics who thought the officers should be punished to appease the more right-winged suburban whites in Albany where the trial had been moved to.
Now imagine she gets into the White House and changes her position on everything she has ever said because the Republicans (or whomever it may be) are putting pressure on her!

one last thing how can Senator Clinton be serious she said caucuses don’t count pledged’s don’t count all the win’s are nothing that Senator Obama won she has told the party i’m in charge you owe me just got much luggage and language on the real why is she and most new’s carrier’s waiting on Senator Obama to make a mistake now that is some real disrimination are you all saying she can’t make a mistake she’s got all of you guessing for she has shown some ump”un-lady like class now i can’t remember what Howard Dean was all that bad or Senator Kerry’s comment’s but they were not that bad but her’s and bill are rough maybe you’ll owe them(CNN,MSNBC,and oh cry baby Hannity-obsesed be an Obama girl but I respect Keith he is honest and Tim my hats’off to you and keep it real Roland) not the party for they really have been rude oh yeh i like that move after Iowa around New Hampshire check it out when she said you know what they are trying to do who was they Senator Edwards and Senator Obama have names or was that a pass word for after that came the race on race sly issues her whole camp is full of it say anything it’s okay now i don’t dis-like them but they have been putting a bad taste in my heart if you can’t beat Obama don’t try to hurt not only him but our party but this is really the way we Dems party if we are going to take the house take it if out of the next three elects and their is still a clear front runner all superdelegate’s should come outno convention just have the loser suck it up it is going on to long but if she going play along playlthe game fair and michgan and florida you need to vote in november for whoever you feel you knew the rules also we are not kids sorry about that but we have to have guidelines if we are to remain a party of fairness now if Senator Obama did like her they would ask him to drop out shame on you waving your finger shame on you and my grandson saw you doing that that’s what pissed me off losing your cool at will shame on you”ll daughter too if she is going to play she won’t be off limit’s i know and they know she is grown so don’t get it twisted just keepin it real

No I am not suggesting not voting, I am suggesting you keep this in mind all year when you write your congressmen all year like I do. I am suggesting that we all start taking more part other than just at election fight night. Doing so prolongs the issue as it has contunied to get worse each cycle. You may say it has nothing to do with now, but the more we fight on these boards, the less focus we keep in the long run. This is not a quick fix but an essential one.

Remember after 9/11, Bush asked that Congress approve that he could threaten to go to war. Congress did. Without this approval, the US might have seemed weak and open to additional terrorist attacks. Democrats voting at the time, did not want war, but needed to show support for the President. The US citizens favored this approach at the time. It soon became clear that Bush intended to wage war and search for the infamous weapons of mass destruction and bio-warfare chemicals. None were found and there was not an exit strategy in place….
BUT PLEASE – will the real-OBAMA please stand-up….he has made such a big deal out of a 2002 speech he gave opposing the invasion of Iraq. Later in 2004, “at the Democratic Convention,” Obama stated there was “not much difference” between him and George W. Bush on Iraq. Obama said that he “did not know” how he would have voted on the now-contentious 2002 Senate resolution authorizing military action in Iraq, had he been in the Senate at the time. Per this article, his conversation with Rice does not say he opposes the war, only that he shares in the many concerns that Congress and voters had at the time.

To the new yorker, thank you for acknowledging my sentiments, I just have no faith that my vote even counts, and I think in a way if no one voted on election day, but sent thier vote and reason to their representitive in writing. That would make faking anything hard and make quite a statement.

WoaH, Bobo
Hold your horses! Democrats never said that we should not go to war at all. The issue at the time was is still is that we were going to war with the WRONG COUNTRY.
Congress approved for Bush to go to war against Bin Laden (who was is Afghanistan, not Iraq). Everyone agreed that he should go after the guilty, but not Iraq which it turns out never had the Weapons and was not supporting the terrorists who actually attacked US!
No American (Democrat, Republican, or Other) would deny the president the right to go to war with someone who just bombed the country.
But the issue being discussed here is Iraq, not Afghanistan. “Staying the course” to me means dont stop until you catch and punish Bin Laden. Dont stop and start a different war before you have done that!

I agree with lyne-
Absolutes and extreme vilification of Democrats @the war now is unfair. Can anyone deny that we have not removed the core of the threat that attacked us in the first place. Short Attention Span Theater in this country is epidemic. Why only remember one side of an issue, how does that make you valuable to anyone in any situation. It just makes you shall we say a tool of the trade.

You know when you’ve hit saturation point on a politician? When the fact that she lied or misspoke or errored or whatever they are calling it this week isn’t even shocking. No wonder the Republicans want to run against her so badly. She has impeached her character on her own. They don’t have to dig up any dirt since she’s bringing wheelbarrows full of it to them.

Becky, you are correct on all but the most important point. To say the environment needs to change first before we see real change in our circumstances is to say in effect that we are controlled by our environment and that our true happiness is some how dependent on that environmental change. We must change our mentalities to the thinking and belief that we are ultimately responsible for everything that happens to us (whether we think so or not, WE ARE!), and that we are the ultimate deciders in whether we do create a positive environment or a negative one. To be controlled by our envirnment is to continue on the same path we are on now. One perfect example is how these political ads cause soooo many people to frame their own judgement based on its’ message – whether the information happens to be right or wrong. We don’t take enough control over making sure we know the truth, before we decide. That’s a major flaw of our character that has got to change before any environmental circumstance will begin to truly work in our favor. Right now we don’t respect our environment so how does it come first in the solution of how we become Truly Happy People. If you know anything about truly happy people, they don’t wait for their environment to change – They change their thinking and belief system about life which gives rise for them to develop the courage and wisdom to know how to draw out, from with-in, the life-condition to handle whatever the environment has to throw at them. And as their stregnth, resolve and persistance remains constant, it pulsates outwardly to the minds of others. The positive environmental change is based on all of our collective positive efforts to see the world in its truest form and with one mind to create value in everything, even when we don’t think we see any value there. Once that occurs we naturally will see that our environment will begin to follow suit. The environment is: nature, us and our universe. Nichiren Buddhism has a very profound passage that states: ‘If the people’s minds are pure so is their land. But if the people’s minds are impure so is their land. There is neither a pure or impure land apart from the inner workings of our minds.’ That there is no such thing as a pure land or impure land outside of us suggest a much deeper level of responsibility and understanding about the True Entity of Life than our current civilization is used to hearing. It all oringinates in the mind and the effects are by no means some accident or strange occurance. People have undergone a tremendously long period of time creating and trying to hide and disguise the effects of their actions. Buddhism says these effects will manifest themselves when the time and conditions are right just as flowers already embody the inherent cause for blooming in the spring, when the time and conditions are right! And this is a natural law just as gravity is. This law I speak of is and has been for centuries, proven to be the most fundamental law of any other. The most direct path to enlightenment or abosolute happiness that is not guided by our environments changing circumstances. The problem is, Americans like others around the world are so skeptical about learning other philosophies that we miss all of the true wonders to be experienced in our beautiful world.

JASON: Do you really think that if we had not gone into Iraq, that Saddam would not be “really” trying to get a nuclear weapon to counter the Iranians.
Also, if our Army was here at home, would there be an Al Queda in the USA? Probably not…

To keepitreal– Thank you for your post. Unfortunately, the political world and the dialogue that surrounds it is infused with attack. Witness the sarcasm, recriminations, diatribes, belittling, and general hostilities that dominate political blogging. It’s the playground of the ego. The vast majority of people who contribute are not truly interested in an open-minded discourse. I truly believe that no votes are changed in the discourse here. Does an Obama or Clinton supporter really believe–in their heart of hearts–that by railing against the opposition candidate as “ignorant” or “un-American” or “deceptive” they will somehow lead the opposition’s supporters to throw up their arms and say, “Oh yeah, you’re right, I don’t know what came over me. I will change my vote because you have now enlightened me”? Doubtful. Your point, however, directs us to a deeper level of understanding that many will likely deride as “psycho-spiritual babble” or “nonsense,” but one which rings true to me. My favorite articulation comes out of A Course in Miracles: “Projection makes perception. The world you see is what you gave it, nothing more than that. But though it is no more than that, it is not less. Therefore, to you it is important. It is the witness to your state of mind, the outside picture of an inward condition. As a man thinketh, so does he perceive. Therefore, seek not to change the world, but choose to change your mind about the world.” Essentially, this teaches that attack on another is an outward projection of an inner self-hatred.
Again, I appreciate your post. The buddhism quotes are real treasures. Thanks for sharing them.

Clinton is entering the “dementia praecox” phase of her campaign, one during which the hopelessness is so extreme that they feel anything goes. What’s the worse that can happen? That she will lose the nomination? Well, that’ll probably happen anyway. So they’re trying ANYTHING that they can think of. They’ll worry about the consequences later. Of course, one of these consequences is the field day that the Republican attack hordes will have with all of Clinton’s gyrations. For all the fear of what the opponents will do with the Wright material, I think Clinton has provided them with ten times as much material, even during this election alone, let alone the massive amounts of material she and BIll provided over the last 35 years of so-called “experience”.

This so-called “lie” is going to be true too. After all, Hillary was in an official capacity. Her letter meant something. His was a campaign tactic.
Here’s a song for BHO to sing in honor of Wright. Envision Obama, taking the advice of his mentor, his hand on his heart:
“God, d–mn America,
Land that I hate.
Undermine her
Condemn her
May the voters
All take the bait.
From the lefties
At the caucuses
To the college girls, white ones too!
God d–mn America,
And Grandma too!”

In the Political Headlines of ABC. Clinton is named 5 times. Obama once. Fair ?

This country is not about a flag, it is about a citizens right to burn that flag in protest. It is the right of a person to get up and put forth an opinion that you totally disagree with and would fight with all your breath against. That is what America is about, that is what we should celebrate.
Rev. Wright’s church embraces rich, poor, black, Hispanic. His church has helped persons with AIDS, who are homeless, without food, without jobs. He has been an inspiration in that community and until you can go to his church and hear him preach or at least listened to his entire sermon then you have no business judging him AND if you are truly a Christian you would know that.

Hillary is a saint in comparison–
Mack did you lose your house or how’s your stock market saving doing? You must love the gas prices and the prices at the stores for food. How many more American’s solder will die because Bush decide to attack the wrong country. He is opening our border to more illegal and undesirable, 14 million and growing! Good job Mack keep voting for those that are destroying our country —NO SPINS just FACTS>

The title of this article does not match with several facts in the article. Obama gives a speech against the war, then is later asked when he is in the Senate would he have voted against the war. He declines to say either way and acknowledges he did not have all the information that the Senators who voted did. Then he support Kerry and Edwards in 2004 who both voted for the Iraq resolution. And he continues to vote to fund the war. When he meets with Rice, there are a few questions about the war, but nothing that tells me that he wants to end the war. In fact, it is so vague maybe he reversed his opinion by this time. Hillary is entitled to tell voters that within the Senate she was voiced her issues with the continuance of the war before Obama. From the evidence in this article, it appears she is correct.

She got a ten million advance on
her book. The publisher probably lost
all of it.
I don’t think anyone posting here can even name the title of that book.
WJC getting 100K to 400K per inconsequential hot air speech makes no sense either.

Whatcha gonna do when Obamamania runs wild on you?!?

Pathological LIAR!

I rather vote for Hillary the someone who hang around with a Pastor screaming “God Damn America” plus he can not even have the courage to wear the American flag on his lapel.
Vote for Hillary! Do the right thing.
Do not be mad or jeaous because they made $109 million in seven years. Oprah makes abut $260 million a year, I said a year!!

Hillary lies and lies. Please open your eyes. She just wants to be president.
HILLARY SUCKS!!!!

It doesn’t matter whether Hillary lies or not about this tiny thing. People who say they will not vote Hillary will never vote Hillary. Doesn’t matter if she does everything right in the past two years. I will not vote Obama for just the same.

I think she lies in her dreams!