By Jaketapper

Apr 11, 2008 6:53pm

McCain, Clinton Bash Obama’s “Small Town” Comments; Obama Campaign Responds

"Barack Obama apparently believes that for Americans less privileged than him, religion is an economic-based and not faith-based condition," Mark Salter, a senior campaign adviser for Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., tells ABC News.

"It is hardly news that Senator Obama’s ‘new’ approach to politics is based on the presumption that voters are easily fooled," Salter continues, "but the arrogance and elitism he shows here is truly astonishing, and very revealing about how he would govern this country."

Salter was reacting to Obama’s comments about the "bitter"ness of small town Pennsylvanians who then cling to their guns, or religion.

In Philly, Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, implies that Obama "looks down on" these small town Pennsylvanians.

"I saw in the media it’s being reported that my opponent said that the people of Pennsylvania who faced hard times are bitter," Clinton said this afternoon. "Well, that’s not my experience. As I travel around Pennsylvania, I meet people who are resilient, who are optimistic, who are positive, who are rolling up their sleeves. They are working hard everyday for a better future, for themselves and their children.

“Pennsylvanians don’t need a president who looks down on them, they need a president who stands up for them, who fights for them, who works hard for your futures, your jobs, your families."

McCain adviser Steve Schmidt called Obama’s thoughts on small town Pennsylvanians a "remarkable statement and extremely revealing…It shows an elitism and condescension towards hardworking Americans that is nothing short of breathtaking. It is hard to imagine someone running for president who is more out of touch with average Americans."

The Obama campaign sent out spokesman Tommy Vietor to respond, saying, "Senator Obama has said many times in this campaign that Americans are understandably upset with their leaders in Washington for saying anything to win elections while failing to stand up to the special interests and fight for an economic agenda that will bring jobs and opportunity back to struggling communities.  And if John McCain wants a debate about who’s out of touch with the American people, we can start by talking about the tax breaks for the wealthiest Americans that he once said offended his conscience but now wants to make permanent."

I’m not sure that’s going to be enough, Tommy.

It is a very difficult comment to explain — for attendees at a San Francisco fundraiser, Obama described small town Pennsylvanians who "fell through the Clinton Administration, and the Bush Administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

The Huffington Post first reported the story; you can listen to the audio here.

The National Republican Congressional Committee has sent out an email attacking Rep. Chris Carney, D-Penn., who comes from Northeast Pennsylvania, who has not endorsed either Clinton or Obama.

“It’s time for Congressman Chris Carney to step up and denounce Barack Obama’s condescending attitude about families who live in small towns and who hold a viewpoint other than Obama’s,” said NRCC Spokesman Ken Spain.

What do you think?

- jpt

User Comments

Obama is our Adlai Stevenson — intellectual and elitest. Bush has his base, the rich and powerful, and Obama has his base, the young and well educated. If you are old, blue collar, or undereducated, then you might as well get off the Obama bus now, because his administration is not going to be championing your interests.
We need a president who will bring people back into the middle class, not one who will marginalize them further. He talks a great talk, but for those who have fallen out of the middle class his words are empty.

Posted by: David H | April 11, 2008, 7:05 pm 7:05 pm

GO Hillary!!!! Go McCain!!!! NOBAMA!! Out of Touch!! Out of his Mind!! Out of his League!!

Posted by: countallthevotes | April 11, 2008, 7:06 pm 7:06 pm

Obama REALLY cares about the Pennsylvanians. Check for yourself.
Here’s a transcript the audio that gives you the context of what he said in California (beware it’s not some well-written speech, it simply is the man talking, with all the flaws etc):
“in a lot of these communities in big industrial states like Ohio and Pennsylvania, people have been beaten down so long. They feel so betrayed by government that when they hear a pitch that is premised on not being cynical about government, then a part of them just doesn’t buy it. And when it’s delivered by — it’s true that when it’s delivered by a 46-year-old black man named Barack Obama, then that adds another layer of skepticism. But — so the questions you’re most likely to get about me, ‘Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What is the concrete thing?’ What they wanna hear is so we’ll give you talking points about what we’re proposing — to close tax loopholes, uh you know uh roll back the tax cuts for the top 1%, Obama’s gonna give tax breaks to uh middle-class folks and we’re gonna provide healthcare for every American. But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there’s not evidence of that in their daily lives. You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations. Um, now these are in some communities, you know. I think what you’ll find is, is that people of every background — there are gonna be a mix of people, you can go in the toughest neighborhoods, you know working-class lunch-pail folks, you’ll find Obama enthusiasts. And you can go into places where you think I’d be very strong and people will just be skeptical. The important thing is that you show up and you’re doing what you’re doing.”

Posted by: ken | April 11, 2008, 7:06 pm 7:06 pm

How wonderfully refreshing to hear a politician speaking the truth. Everything in that statement is correct. Bravo Senator Obama.

Posted by: karynA | April 11, 2008, 7:07 pm 7:07 pm

Dogsoldier
What about Pennsylvania’s bowlers? I’d think there impressed by Obama’s ability to toss the ball in a suit.

Posted by: S | April 11, 2008, 7:11 pm 7:11 pm

Hypocrisy at its best!
Didn’t Mcain say something similar to the New Yorker a while ago?

Posted by: Lance D. | April 11, 2008, 7:11 pm 7:11 pm

I like how the Obama campiagn completely ignored the Clintons and went straight to attacking McCain
spoken as a true winner

Posted by: Vanessa | April 11, 2008, 7:12 pm 7:12 pm

What Obama really said is now taken out of context by Camp clinton who are so desperate….
Full transcript of Obama’s coment:
OBAMA: So, it depends on where you are, but I think it’s fair to say that the places where we are going to have to do the most work are the places where people most cynical about government. The people are mis-appre…they’re misunderstanding why the demographics in our, in this contest have broken out as they are. Because everybody just ascribes it to white working-class don’t wanna work — don’t wanna vote for the black guy. That’s…there were intimations of that in an article in the Sunday New York Times today – kind of implies that it’s sort of a race thing.
Here’s how it is: in a lot of these communities in big industrial states like Ohio and Pennsylvania, people have been beaten down so long. They feel so betrayed by government that when they hear a pitch that is premised on not being cynical about government, then a part of them just doesn’t buy it. And when it’s delivered by — it’s true that when it’s delivered by a 46-year-old black man named Barack Obama, then that adds another layer of skepticism.
But — so the questions you’re most likely to get about me, ‘Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What is the concrete thing?’ What they wanna hear is so we’ll give you talking points about what we’re proposing — to close tax loopholes, uh you know uh roll back the tax cuts for the top 1%, Obama’s gonna give tax breaks to uh middle-class folks and we’re gonna provide healthcare for every American.
But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there’s not evidence of that in their daily lives. You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.
Um, now these are in some communities, you know. I think what you’ll find is, is that people of every background — there are gonna be a mix of people, you can go in the toughest neighborhoods, you know working-class lunch-pail folks, you’ll find Obama enthusiasts. And you can go into places where you think I’d be very strong and people will just be skeptical. The important thing is that you show up and you’re doing what you’re doing.

Posted by: stan | April 11, 2008, 7:12 pm 7:12 pm

“It is hardly news that Senator Obama’s ‘new’ approach to politics is based on the presumption that voters are easily fooled,” Salter continues, “but the arrogance and elitism he shows here is truly astonishing, and very revealing about how he would govern this country.”
WOW this statement by Salter perfectly describes JOHN MCCAIN not Obama.
OOhh let’s hear the truth shall we?

Posted by: Kelli | April 11, 2008, 7:13 pm 7:13 pm

I read the transcript myself and am not offended by it. This is just another desperate attempt by Obama’s opponents to make something out of nothing. I spent the 90′s living in a poor rural area of California that had been bypassed by “progress” and by Bill Clinton’s supposed economic boom. There was a lot of hardship and fear about what the future would bring, and many folks were angry and hated the government. Anti-gov’t militias were flourishing, and Rush Limbaugh was about all you could get on the radio. The mood was quite negative.
I see Obama’s remarks as a reasonable attempt to put those views in context. It’s too bad that some creep attending his SF fundraiser had to try to make it into something else.

Posted by: Ally | April 11, 2008, 7:13 pm 7:13 pm

Lance D.
If he did, I’m sure you could produce proof. Please!

Posted by: S | April 11, 2008, 7:13 pm 7:13 pm

Adlai Stevenson never was elected president, neither, I think, will this son of Illinois (Obama). People work harder and harder and with costs increasing and taxes taking 4-5 months of our income, the middle class is under siege.
We don’t get the fruits of affirmativ action; we pay for them.
Sen. Obama needs to hush. He has said enough on this topic…
We need a Clinton to clean up after Bush’s mess and to prevent the elitists from becoming our oligarchs.

Posted by: ron | April 11, 2008, 7:14 pm 7:14 pm

I grew up in that area. What did he say that was so incorrect? Once again politics descends into an endless debate over the absurd.

Posted by: DMR | April 11, 2008, 7:14 pm 7:14 pm

Obama is right on target. We’re so used to be lied to by our politicians that when someone finally speaks the truth, it’s a shock. People in Pennsylvania are angry about their economic situation and they have every right to be. It’s time for the US to stop pretending the economy ain’t broke and start doing the hard work of fixing it.

Posted by: Gil H | April 11, 2008, 7:15 pm 7:15 pm

God, this guy is going to be our nominee.

Posted by: A reader in Georgia | April 11, 2008, 7:16 pm 7:16 pm

DMR,
Huh?
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Obama the privileged can lead the small-town small-minded people out of the Abyss.
Thank Obama for Obama
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Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | April 11, 2008, 7:16 pm 7:16 pm

S – Sorry, S. Forgot the bowling crowd Obama impressed with his splendid performance. They’re highly upset.

Posted by: Dogsoldier | April 11, 2008, 7:19 pm 7:19 pm

anyone want to explain to me, in the context of which these statements were given, what the problem is?
does the media just feel bad that they havent had anything to bludgeon Obama with for last couple weeks, and are now willing to pick apart any quote out of context? Drudge and MSNBC took down their articles after they were given the full context, will ABC do the same?
No story
no controversy
no elitism
just BS from lazy media.

Posted by: Gion | April 11, 2008, 7:20 pm 7:20 pm

Gil H,
I’m glad we have you and Obama to save us poor country folks from our misguided ways. Really, there should have been a fourth character on the Wizard of Oz, who sang “If I only had a job” Dorothy, and Obama could be that special Wizard, to save the misguided soul from his lousy religion and his evil huntin’ ways.
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Obama bless us all, everyone!
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Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | April 11, 2008, 7:21 pm 7:21 pm

Believe me there are bitter people dissatisfied with the status quo and it would take a rich person like Mclain and Hillary to totally blind. It’s amazing how people dislike to hear the truth but rather distort it for political gain. One thing I like about Obama he is not afraid to say it as it is.

Posted by: Sherrie | April 11, 2008, 7:22 pm 7:22 pm

McCain’s comments for women and teens:
“At least I don’t plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you c*nt.” -to his wife, Cindy, after she playfully twirled his hair and said “You’re getting a little thin up there,”
“Do you know why Chelsea Clinton is so ugly? Because Janet Reno is her father.” –at a 1998 Republican fundraiser
McCain’s opinion of our American soldiers…
“Americans are very frustrated, and they have every right to be. We’ve wasted a lot of our most precious treasure, which is American lives.” –on the Iraq war
…and now he wants to “waste” more lives by staying the course.
Only the SAME idiots who voted for Bush would ever vote for McCain–some people never learn.
“…but the arrogance and elitism he shows here is truly astonishing, and very revealing about how he would govern this country.”
Yes, your candidate McCain has proven that alright!

Posted by: Howard | April 11, 2008, 7:22 pm 7:22 pm

Believe me there are bitter people dissatisfied with the status quo and it would take a rich person like Mclain and Hillary to totally blind. It’s amazing how people dislike to hear the truth but rather distort it for political gain. One thing I like about Obama he is not afraid to say it as it is.

Posted by: Sherrie | April 11, 2008, 7:23 pm 7:23 pm

READ THE FULL AND COMPLETE ARTICLE
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BUT I WILL BE BLOGGING SNIPPETS
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In the midst of this harsh pastoral, Pennsylvanians are scrappy survivors. They complain (particularly about their governor and Clinton surrogate Ed Rendell, who doesn’t seem as popular as the media make him out to be), but they endure. They refuse to be bound to the broken temples of commerce and manufacturing, the vacant Beaux Arts hotels, the rotting nineteenth-century row houses, the abandoned sidings and once-grand railway stations that inscribe Scranton and Wilkes-Barre and diminish Pittsburgh and Lancaster. Pennsylvanians are remarkably chipper. In the end, the material world that once gave them prosperity has not defined them. On the contrary, Pennsylvania unfolds in an interlocking chain of Turkeyfoots and Allentowns, held separately and together by a sense of shared community, of humor, of history, and of abiding faith.

Posted by: Lauren | April 11, 2008, 7:23 pm 7:23 pm

Stan,
The context you provided makes it even worse, It is fulled with nonsense, like a strean of unconsciousness. There is no good way to interpret Obama’s statements. NONE!! NOBAMA, or as my 89-year old neighbor says don’t vote for “BAHAMA”!!

Posted by: countallthevotes | April 11, 2008, 7:23 pm 7:23 pm

S, read the following at Politico:
John McCain’s campaign is attacking Barack Obama for Obama’s rather indisputable comments about the rise of anti-immigrant fervor in small town America. Obama said that the rise of such fervor has a lot to do with bitterness.
But wait – didn’t John McCain say something similar in December to the New Yorker?
Anti-immigrant passion also owes much to the disproportionate influence of a few small states in the nominating process. National polls show that, as an issue, immigration is far behind the Iraq war, terrorism, the economy, and health care as a concern to most Americans; a recent Pew poll shows that, nationally, only six per cent of voters offer immigration as the most important issue facing the country. But in Iowa and South Carolina, two of the three most important early states, it is a top concern for the Republicans who are most likely to vote.
“It’s the influx of illegals into places where they’ve never seen a Hispanic influence before,” McCain told me. “You probably see more emotion in Iowa than you do in Arizona on this issue. I was in a town in Iowa, and twenty years ago there were no Hispanics in the town. Then a meatpacking facility was opened up. Now twenty per cent of their population is Hispanic. There were senior citizens there who were-’concerned’ is not the word. They see this as an assault on their culture, what they view as an impact on what have been their traditions in Iowa, in the small towns in Iowa. So you get questions like ‘Why do I have to punch 1 for English?’ ‘Why can’t they speak English?’ It’s become larger than just the fact that we need to enforce our borders.”
Sure, it’s not exactly the same, but it’s pretty darn similar. In fact, McCain seems to be saying something far more controversial. While Obama is saying economic hardship breeds anti-immigrant feelings, McCain is saying lots of rural people just hate Hispanics. That may or may not be true – but the fact that McCain’s campaign is feigning outrage over Obama’s truisms when their own candidate has made thematically similar statements strikes me as…what’s the word…oh yeah – dishonest.
Posted by Kelly M. | April 11, 2008 6:58 PM

Posted by: Lance D. | April 11, 2008, 7:23 pm 7:23 pm

Clinton and McCain are just using a cheap political trick — slice an excerpt out of context instead of looking at the entire thought. Read the text and you’ll see that Obama is showing emphathy with average people who are having problems and yes, are embittered by our government’s failures. People ARE bitter and fed up in case you haven’t noticed. Read the entire comment and it’s obious that he’s saying he understands why people feel this way.

Posted by: sick of out of context sound bites | April 11, 2008, 7:25 pm 7:25 pm

Sherrie – Obama speak up? Yes. I enjoyed the part of Obama speaking up about the Wright problem after Twenty years of silent protest. That did it for me.

Posted by: Dogsoldier | April 11, 2008, 7:26 pm 7:26 pm

Gion:
I completely agree! They have nothing to talk about!
Those statements are completely true and nothing to print a story about.

Posted by: Danny | April 11, 2008, 7:26 pm 7:26 pm

These qualities of hospitality, patriotism and endurance are exactly what Californians need to hear about Pennsylvanians. And when he spoke to a group of his wealthier Golden State backers at a San Francisco fund-raiser last Sunday, Barack Obama took a shot at explaining the yawning cultural gap that separates a Turkeyfoot from a Marin County. “You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them,” Obama said. “And they fell through the Clinton Administration, and the Bush Administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”

Posted by: Lauren | April 11, 2008, 7:27 pm 7:27 pm

What has Hillary and McCain ever done for working people?
Was is supporting and passing NAFTA? Was it when they deregulated the financial industry, which led to our financial crisis?
Obama was on the streets of Chicago as a community organizer, what have the others done? Nothing that I can see.

Posted by: AkaDad | April 11, 2008, 7:27 pm 7:27 pm

Everytime Obama says something stupid, he or his campaign always start spinning it as “that’s not what I meant” or totally change the subject. Yet they are always quick on the draw when Clinton says something. Watch him come out with another unity speech next week right before the debate now to distract from his arrogant remarks of today. I wish people could start adding up the math and see this guy is not what this country needs. How many boneheaded mistakes and statements does HE have to make before people see he is just another politician pretending to represent a movement of change. He doesn’t care anymore about small town people anymore than he cares about the people of New Orleans…he only cares about their votes, then he’s out of there.

Posted by: dwc | April 11, 2008, 7:28 pm 7:28 pm

Come On! Take it in context. He wasn’t saying that the people of Pennsylvania “are” bitter as in a personality trait. He’s saying they “feel” bitter towards the Federal Government for leaving them out in the cold as jobs were leaving. They’re not optimistic about that, Hillary. They maybe resilient and hard working but it doesn’t mean they can’t have a bitter attitude towards the government at the same time.

Posted by: Topher | April 11, 2008, 7:28 pm 7:28 pm

The Obama campaign sent out spokesman Tommy Vietor to respond, saying, “Senator Obama has said many times in this campaign that Americans are understandably upset with their leaders in Washington for saying anything to win elections while failing to stand up to the special interests and fight for an economic agenda that will bring jobs and opportunity back to struggling communities”
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Looks Obama talked about himself: saying anything to win elections while failing to stand up to the special interests and fight for an economic agenda that will bring jobs and opportunity back to struggling communities “from CHICAGO”…

Posted by: True Truth | April 11, 2008, 7:30 pm 7:30 pm

Lance D,
Obama’s view of small town PA is dismal, distorted, condescending, arrogant, and elitist. I don’t see that in McCain’s discription at all. The words used by McCain and Clinton to describe Obama’s statements – “arrogant,” “condescending,” are the same words used by John and Elizabeth Edwards after Obama visited their home.

Posted by: countallthevotes | April 11, 2008, 7:30 pm 7:30 pm

To give Obama his due, he spoke about working class Pennsylvanians likely because he had been thinking about them a great deal. And he spoke, as he often does away from large rallies, in a calm, even, matter-of-fact way. Every town hall meeting I’ve observed, from California to Iowa, Nevada to Texas, has showcased Senator Obama’s core decency and high measure of regard for each individual.

Posted by: Lauren | April 11, 2008, 7:30 pm 7:30 pm

American Politics is DISGUSTING!!!
How come, no one cares anymore about substance. People, especially journalist, take quotes out of context for the sake of creating controversy. As several posts have shown, you can see that Obama did care about people in PA. But, that’s not was the current portrayal of his speech is showing.
This is a country that is often saying that is the first democracy in the world. BUT SUBSTANCE NEVER WINS ELECTIONS. You can judge by the 8 years of W. Bush and the Irak disaster.

Posted by: Lance D. | April 11, 2008, 7:31 pm 7:31 pm

Obama just lost the election in NOV. Norquist is right.
This is why you don’t nominate a first term junior senator to be the democratic nominee for president.

Posted by: s.b. | April 11, 2008, 7:32 pm 7:32 pm

Actually it’s a deep statement most bumpkins are not capable of understanding. And of course Clinton and McCain capitalize on that.

Posted by: MaxiDial | April 11, 2008, 7:32 pm 7:32 pm

Lance D.
Sorry, Obama got no substance! What we gonna talk about..

Posted by: True Truth | April 11, 2008, 7:33 pm 7:33 pm

wishful thinking on your part.
Barack will become the next President
of the United States of America

Posted by: Lauren | April 11, 2008, 7:34 pm 7:34 pm

I grew up in a small town. Obama’s comments are absolutely true. Do you really think the Clinton’s care about small town folk? If you do, then you are a fool.

Posted by: Dave P. | April 11, 2008, 7:34 pm 7:34 pm

What I think is that it is remarkable that the media seizes on every little thing Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton say that could possibly be construed as negative, but they give McCain a pass on things he says that are CLEARLY negative. Remember how many times he has confused Suni and Shiia and said Iran is funding Al Qaeda (five I think by now)? Remember how he categorized people who are foreclosed on as having engaged in bad behavior which should be punished, not rewarded? How much press did that get? It has not even been remarked upon that he now reversed himself. It just gets reported that he is for helping homeowners. No wonder he is up in the polls. He has “his base” (as he calls them) the media (including ABC) to thank.

Posted by: MominTexas | April 11, 2008, 7:36 pm 7:36 pm

To give Obama his due, he spoke about working class Pennsylvanians likely because he had been thinking about them a great deal. And he spoke, as he often does away from large rallies, in a calm, even, matter-of-fact way. Every town hall meeting I’ve observed, from California to Iowa, Nevada to Texas, has showcased Senator Obama’s core decency and high measure of regard for each individual.
Barackhas core decency .
We hear it all the time.he will win .

Posted by: Lauren | April 11, 2008, 7:36 pm 7:36 pm

Obama just lost the election in NOV. Norquist is right.
1. Over this? LOL
2. When has Norquist ever been right?

Posted by: AkaDad | April 11, 2008, 7:38 pm 7:38 pm

Well Obama just clings to religion when it’s political expedient to get him elected in the south side of Chicago.
So I guess he doesn’t understand that people might have faith, well because they have faith.

Posted by: s.b. | April 11, 2008, 7:38 pm 7:38 pm

Lauren – Obama core decency? Why is it that half of democrats don’t believe a word you write?

Posted by: Dogsoldier | April 11, 2008, 7:38 pm 7:38 pm

Clinton Elite would not understand what it is like to make ends meat. they have been millionaires to long

Posted by: Lauren | April 11, 2008, 7:38 pm 7:38 pm

Mr. Obama,
Those pitiful Pennsylvania voters, thank Obama for each and everyone of them, and the fact that you can now rescue them from their ignorant ways. They are waiting for you to bring them obama.job.com so they’ll no longer have to rely on religion to justify having to fast.
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Obama, the savior of the pitiful people of Pennsylvania!
Just words, baby, just words!
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Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | April 11, 2008, 7:39 pm 7:39 pm

If Hillary “misspoke” because she was tired at 11pm, what kind of trouble will she get us in with that 3am phone call?

Posted by: Topher | April 11, 2008, 7:40 pm 7:40 pm

Lauren,
“Core decency?” Is that some newage term? Please enlighten me. I am but a humble blue collar person. Please, please!!

Posted by: countallthevotes | April 11, 2008, 7:40 pm 7:40 pm

Countallthevotes,
Again this is the Hypocrisy in American politics that I am talking about. See who is talking about Obama’s elitism? Clinton, Mcain. Do you think that W. Bush and Cheney are not elitist.
Recently, Clinton was quoting as saying she sent Chelsea to a private school because it had better education. What do you think that is?
Look at who W. Bush and Cheney do business with: Halliburton, Exxon Mobil, etc. But they want the poor people, who live from paycheck to paycheck, that they understand their problem. They’ve never starved a single day.
That’s the kind of hypocrisy that I don’t like in politics. It is not like Obama was saying that he was better than those people. Simply trying to assess their situation.

Posted by: Lance D. | April 11, 2008, 7:41 pm 7:41 pm

Paul B. was complaining that Hillary did not kick Mark Penn to the curb.
Hillary on WalMart board not standing up for the UNIONS.
Hillary keeping Harold Ickes on as a senior advisor after he helped strip delegates.
Barack Obama the next President

Posted by: Lauren | April 11, 2008, 7:41 pm 7:41 pm

Oh but of course, its G.W. Bush’s fault, it’s Bill Clinton’s fault its Hillary Clinton’s fault.
Drink more of the omama aide fools. This arrogant, condescending, contemptuous, egomaniac really thinks that everyone in the WORLD believes what he says. Obama is a fool. He steps into it daily and it won’t be long before he steps in so deep, he’ll never be able to backtrack and his cult followers and his (by no probably regretful)supporters won’t be able to pick up the lying sob and put him back together again.
What fools obama thinks we are. It is incredible how he thinks he can play the public. And he has so many falling for it. Incredible.

Posted by: Lou | April 11, 2008, 7:41 pm 7:41 pm

Obama is so arrogant, condescending and lies to everyone. Not only is he not presidential material but he disrespect anyone who isn’t like him. PA show him you are not gonna take his insult, vote for Hillary.

Posted by: persio | April 11, 2008, 7:42 pm 7:42 pm

This is a gift from heaven, it’s even on CNN. I wonder if Obama will be on Keith Olbermann and Anderson Cooper to make it all better.

Posted by: Ken FL | April 11, 2008, 7:42 pm 7:42 pm

MominTexas said,
What I think is that it is remarkable that the media seizes on every little thing Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton say that could possibly be construed as negative, but they give McCain a pass on things he says that are CLEARLY negative.
The corporate media supports McCain and the Republicans because they’re ideological soulmates. Republicans and corporations want the same thing. Low taxes and deregulation.

Posted by: AkaDad | April 11, 2008, 7:42 pm 7:42 pm

What I find interesting is that he said this about Pennsylvanians in San Francisco. Can’t get more elitist than that.
Hillary ’08

Posted by: ralphdaugherty | April 11, 2008, 7:43 pm 7:43 pm

If I say that because my grandma is lonely she clings to her dog, do I say she only loves her dog BECAUSE she is lonely?
What kind of false insinuations are they feeding America now again?
Is ‘clinging to God in difficult times’ simply exactly the same thing as ‘believing in God’? Of course it isn’t, certainly not when you’re describing the difficulties and tough circumstances people find themselves in, and some of the ways they’re dealing with or reacting to that.
Let’s return to my grandma, before you start yelling that I throw her under the bus. She is a wonderful and kind woman, yet after the death of my granddad she feels lonely, even if we visit her a lot. But she hardly goes out anymore, and – as we say – she clings to Ramses, her dog.
She has always loved Ramses! My granddad’s death is not the reason she loves the dog, but in her loneliness she clings to it. Her dog became more important than ever, and we worry because there’s a world out there for her while she stays in the house with Ramses.
Comprendo?
I feel that those who don’t like Obama for whatever reason simply can’t stand it that he truly cares about American folks who seem to differ a lot from him.
What Obama shows clearly is a sincere concern. He’s worried for the people.
And he dares to call things by their name; even if he may not always be right, I applaud him courage and honesty to tackle what is going on among Americans, just as he did in his speech on our perceptions of racial divisions.
And I really wonder why people who are looking for a good and dedicated leader are crying out loud over “arrogance” and “elitism” as soon as we FINALLY in this country have a very high educated and smart politician who truly cares about ALL Americans – also about the UNeducated, the poor, and those who feel let down and bitter. Isn’t that what we wish for in a great President? Do we want ‘just your ordinary guy’ for President instead?
For the Clinton, politics is a business. They are good it. McCain has very limited interest in America, it’s about a few issues, and he could care less about those who feel they cannot succeed. Obama listens to these folks in PA and because he can’t get them off his mind he talks about them to wealthy folks in California.
And people bash him for doing so…

Posted by: Trent | April 11, 2008, 7:44 pm 7:44 pm

Senator Obama has belittled the people of Pennslyvania! He is automatically assuming that people who fall on hard times *which he blames on CLINTON AND BUSH” are gun toting, racist people and he throws religion in there for good measure. He talks about Bush being out of touch and that Racism is rampant, but he has just displayed BOTH of these issues with this statement. EVERY hard working America needs to vote AGAINST Obama in PA on April 22nd!

Posted by: Darla | April 11, 2008, 7:44 pm 7:44 pm

Bill threw out a smoke screen yesterday. Whats coming next?
core decency is what you feel and think about others. And trying to understand where they come from.
Something that Hillary will never get because life is all about her, wants and needs.
You hve to care about people and when you do they know . not just caring until you get their votes.

Posted by: Lauren | April 11, 2008, 7:46 pm 7:46 pm

Lauren,
You should say:
Barack Hussein Obama the next President…
There may be many people called Barack Obama, but only one person is called: Barack Hussein Obama…so please make sure it is your guy…

Posted by: True Truth | April 11, 2008, 7:46 pm 7:46 pm

Barack’s comments just show he does not think much of the American people. He acts as though he is better than us.
Hillary has fought for the middle class for 35 years and has faith that we can pull out of the Bush years.
I vote Hillary to make this country strong again!

Posted by: Lizben08 | April 11, 2008, 7:46 pm 7:46 pm

Lauren: Clinton Elite would not understand what it is like to make ends meat. they have been millionaires to long
Lauren honey – you eat meat you do not eat not meet.

Posted by: Lou | April 11, 2008, 7:46 pm 7:46 pm

This latest Obama gaffe and his still questionable role with the Canadian NAFTA memo incident are only more raising doubts about his integrity, character, and political credibility.
Are the chickens coming home to roost yet?
HRC ’08 or McCain ‘ 08

Posted by: Virginia Independent | April 11, 2008, 7:49 pm 7:49 pm

Ron,
Sorry, it’s not the damn Yankees that are supporting Obama, it’s the wealthy liberal elites that hold the ocean front property and the estate inheritances on the two coasts. Otherwise, I don’t totally disagree with all your sentiments, just some of them.
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Obama, finally someone who can represent the wealthy liberal elites
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Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | April 11, 2008, 7:49 pm 7:49 pm

West
good try but if you scroll down the page you will see tat i said i will be posting snippets of the story and encouraged others to read it.
But nice try.
I am right and know you try a bill clinton smoke screen???

Posted by: Lauren | April 11, 2008, 7:49 pm 7:49 pm

I don’t know. Mark Salter sounds kind of bitter to me, so Obama may be on to something. I think, though, this is nothing like the bitterness Salter’s going to feel when Obama is elected president in November.

Posted by: TKD | April 11, 2008, 7:51 pm 7:51 pm

,” Obama spokesman Tommy Vietor said. [...]“Senator Obama has said many times in this campaign that Americans are understandably upset with their leaders in Washington for saying anything to win elections ……. IT SEEMS BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA POINT FINGER TO HIMSELF……. LOL

Posted by: Tindh | April 11, 2008, 7:54 pm 7:54 pm

Mr. Obama’s comment is not offensive but it does provide insight into his perception of “small town” America. It would be risky to elect a politician who harbors such sentiment. It’s hard to believe, but the Republicans may remain in control despite their past performance.

Posted by: texasdemocrat | April 11, 2008, 7:54 pm 7:54 pm

Obama’s Dubious Affiliations
There is no way a white man with the same background and credentials as Obama could ever be elected to any office in this country.
Look at Obama’s affiliations:
- Larry Sinclair alleges that 1999 Senator Obama’s arranged to have Larry meet him in a limousine. Larry sold Senator Obama cocaine and then gave Senator Obama oral sex. Subsequently Larry and Obama went to a hotel where oral sex was performed on Senator Obama a second time. Larry claims that Senator Obama still has a cocaine problem. Larry will be testifying in court under oath regarding his allegations against Obama in the near future.
- Mr. Rezko is Obama’s long time friend and is a major mob figure.
- Mr. Auchi is a billionaire and major financial sponsor for Obama’s rise to power throughout the past years.
While working with Saddam Hussein, Auchi made his money through the sell of arms in Iraq and by stealing money from the Oil for Food program (no wonder Obama voted against invading Iraq)
- Senator Meeks who openly hates whites and gays and is listed on Obama’s campaign website as a major Obama supporter and backer and is one of Obama;s super-delegate. Mr. Meeks has been integral in helping Mr. Obama succeed in politics.
- Mr. Wright is a racist who hates America and whites with a Hitleresque approach to world affairs. Mr. Wright has been Mr. Obama’s spiritual mentor for over 20 years. Before the media exposed Mr. Wright, Mr. Wright was on Obama’s campaign staff as Obama’s chief religious advisor. Mr. Wright and Mr. Meeks are ideologically closer to Karl Marx and Black Nationalism, than to Christianity.
- Mr. Ayers of the Weather Underground, a group that killed police and tried to bomb the US Capitol, served with Obama on the board of the leftist foundation called the Woods Fund.
- Mr. McPeaks is Obama’s military adviser and national campaign co-chairman who claims that American Jews are the “problem.” and “Christian Zionists were driving America’s policy in Iraq to benefit Israel.”
- Michelle Obama trumpets Obama as “the second coming of the messiah,” and also states that she “has never been proud to be an AMERICAN in her adult life”.
The list goes on…
How can Obama’s bad judgment to choose to affiliate with criminals and fanatics be justified?
Had Hillary Clinton had any of the above ghosts in her closet, she would have been thrown out of the election long ago.
Hey everybody – am I missing something here?
It seems to me that perhaps instead of electing Obama president, it would be easier if we just shot ourselves in our collective foot.

Posted by: Marian Williams | April 11, 2008, 7:54 pm 7:54 pm

Boy I am stricking out with my grammer today
Ladies and Gentlemen
President Barack Hussien ObamA!!!!
i will give you that bone once.
I never call President william Jefferson clinton
I write it President William Clinton
THE NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
BARACK OBAMA

Posted by: Lauren | April 11, 2008, 7:55 pm 7:55 pm

” What I find interesting is that he said this about Pennsylvanians in San Francisco.”
It was an answer to a question from a Pennsylvanian.
But thanks for yet another level of misinformation.

Posted by: Gion | April 11, 2008, 7:56 pm 7:56 pm

The Truth,
What substance does W. Bush have? He still spent 8 years in power. If the USA ever have two presidents like Bush 8+8 times in a row, that will be the end of their supremacy on the world.
We will spend the next twenty years recovering from the debt of the Irak mess. Why isn’t teaching us a lesson? My point is, Kerry has more substance that W. Bush but he lost because of this kind of SUPERFICIAL Politics. Disgusting!

Posted by: Lance D. | April 11, 2008, 7:56 pm 7:56 pm

ooh, i forgot this one too:
He’s both lucky to be black, and unable to win voters because he’s not white.
people, make up your damn spinning mind.

Posted by: Gion | April 11, 2008, 7:59 pm 7:59 pm

I was so proud that America had finally grown to a place where an African-American and a woman would finally be a major party candidate that I was willing to overlook Sen. Obama’s perceived lack of experience. He seemed like a nice guy who had roots in my state…I mean he keeps bringing up that his mother was a Kansas girl. However, the longer he is in the public eye the more questions I have. Why bring up Kansas so much when your mother spent so little time here? Your grandparents moved to Washington state during WWII, then to California, and then to Hawaii. His only connection to Kansas is that’s where his grandparents and mother were born. He on the other hand was born and raised elsewhere. His father was a radical in Kenya, abandoned his wife and children in Indonesia, and wasn’t the pivotal male role model in his life. His white grandfather should be the one touted as his role model. We don’t hear much about his grandfather, just about his typical white grandmother. He spent 20 years in a church with a Marxist philosophy, a minister that truly sounds bitter about his lot in life as a black man in America, and he states he never heard that kind of talk before. He talks about how he gave up a chance at a prestigious career in law to work for $12,000 a year as a community organizer. Yet, he purchases a home worth over a million dollars with the help of his friend who is under indictment. Where in the world did all that money come from? He scares me. Say what you want about the Clintons, but I know about their skeletons. If Obama gets the nomiination, what will the Rove machine unleash? If he wins, how will our lives change?

Posted by: GR | April 11, 2008, 8:00 pm 8:00 pm

Wow, I did not find Obama’s comments offensive at all. He stated the distrust that these small town people have for their government after being ignored and used. They should be bitter, they should turn to religion for hope, and they should cling to their guns out of fear of their government. I live in a city and I share the small town sentiments.

Posted by: Hal | April 11, 2008, 8:02 pm 8:02 pm

Wow, I’m a small town Pennsylvanian! I guess Obama was talking about me. Me and all my gun-toting, bible fearing, bitter, racist mongering xenophonic friends and relatives!
And to have thunk I’d was even consider’n voten for ye.
Gosh darn!

Posted by: Emily | April 11, 2008, 8:03 pm 8:03 pm

Obama spoke the truth about people who are truly hurting from the Clinton and McCain type figures…who will say anything or do anything just to get elected. Hillary was in the news all today because of her lies, Penn working for Columbia trade deal, Bill getting his fair share of money for the columbia trade deal as well. McCain does not have a clue or plan for domestic agenda and he has the nerve to talk about Obama.

Posted by: Leslie | April 11, 2008, 8:04 pm 8:04 pm

Lauren,
Is it interesting no MSM is talking about Obama’s middle name? I don’t recall Obama himself talking about it in public. Even when one of McCain’s supporter was dennounced by calling Obama’s middle name.
Obama’s name was given by his father, which he should be proud of….There is nothing wrong with the name given by parents, but how come whenever people called his middle name, it became a race issue? Obama should be very proud to say “I, Barrack Hussien Obama, is running for president of United States”….
When he takes into office in 2009, he will be announced as full name: Barrack Hussien Obama, president of United States
There is nothing worng with it and he souldn’t be afraid…

Posted by: True Truth | April 11, 2008, 8:04 pm 8:04 pm

Sounds like Obama told the truth, gun ownership, religion, fear of globalization is always higher among the poor and the downtrodden

Posted by: axt113 | April 11, 2008, 8:05 pm 8:05 pm

The Obama apologist are out in force. I am sure it would be a whole other story if it had been said by Clinton.

Posted by: Ken FL | April 11, 2008, 8:09 pm 8:09 pm

Lance D post@
“What substance does W. Bush have? He still spent 8 years in power. If the USA ever have two presidents like Bush 8+8 times in a row, that will be the end of their supremacy on the world”..
———-
Lance D
That is the exact point.. Obama got no substance as Bush, so why will people still vote for him…
Politics is disgusting as you said..

Posted by: True Truth | April 11, 2008, 8:11 pm 8:11 pm

Who is bitter? I guess it is Obama. He is supposed to be a uniter…. Backbiting about PA to CA audience.
Making PA look bad in front of rich CA folks.
Good job Obama.

Posted by: GS | April 11, 2008, 8:11 pm 8:11 pm

axt113
Of course, you can provide some sort of statistics to support your assertions. Can’t you?

Posted by: S | April 11, 2008, 8:12 pm 8:12 pm

LOL FIRST IM A TYPICAL WHITE GRANDMOTHER , NOW IM A LUNCH PAIL FOLK
EXCUSE MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE?????

Posted by: Carol | April 11, 2008, 8:14 pm 8:14 pm

Listen to the audio linked to above.
I think you’ll find that Clinton and the GOP are hoping that people don’t get the full picture that Obama was trying to describe. It’s much easier to trash someone’s analysis of a tough and complicated situation by picking out a few simple phrases that could rub some people the wrong way.
What do they have to offer as an alternative?

Posted by: Andy E | April 11, 2008, 8:14 pm 8:14 pm

So, there are no cynical or bitter people in the countryside? If someone doesn’t point this out nothing will be done for these people. Rural communities need more than jobs or money to survive: they need to become valued again as desirable places to live. People are bitter over low wages in small towns where per capita income is below the national average. Many of these small communities are poor. The Associated Press has reported: in small towns the percentage of people living in poverty topped the national average. Please don’t tell me people in small towns are not suffering and that no politician should mention their bitterness, in an effort to bring attention to this fact and the need to have them on the Agenda. I am surprise Hillary and Mclain are so blind to the suffering of lower class Americans. It could only take a black man to point this out?

Posted by: John | April 11, 2008, 8:14 pm 8:14 pm

Well we can vote for someone who will say that we are going to reopen the steel mills right?
Obama is correct when he says that people when down will blame immigration, fall back on religion, and develop attitudes that are less then helpful at times. He has also said that some of those jobs are gone for good, they will not comeback. Instead of making unfounded promises, reopening steel mills, etc, he has challenged them to come to terms with the past.
To talk to people where they are at sounds good, but sometimes they need to be told where they could be.
The Rust Belt is still struggling, they were and have been struggling since the failures of the steel industry. This has been problem. yes through the Bush, Clinton Admin, Bush, Carter, Ford, Nixon, LBJ, Kennedy.
Someone has to speak the truth.

Posted by: Thinking | April 11, 2008, 8:15 pm 8:15 pm

Hal
From most of the posts here, most rural people don’t buy Obama’s assertions. Why do you? Do you have any facts to support your conclusions or, are you just a bit opinionated?

Posted by: S | April 11, 2008, 8:16 pm 8:16 pm

He just comes off as a bad actor anymore, watch, he’ll come out with another speech real soon for damage control. He doesn’t care about small town America, he has always come off condescending and patronizing…though some have mistakenly interpreted that as inspirational. He probably can’t wait for this campaign to be over so he can get out of small towns and back to his beloved Chicago every chance he gets.

Posted by: dwc | April 11, 2008, 8:16 pm 8:16 pm

John
If you believe rural people need help, you must certainly tell us what Obama will do for them. Please, be specific. You may be impressed with the empty suit but the rest of us need some substance.

Posted by: S | April 11, 2008, 8:19 pm 8:19 pm

Finally there is somebody brave enough to speak the truth. Its true that folks are bitter and angry and frustrated. For anybody to say that what Obama said was wrong will mean, to me,that the person is not being truthful or just simply hate Barack Obama. Just think about this:homes are being foreclosed, jobs are being lost, real income is going down,rural areas are being devasted by empoyers shipping jobs outside and for anybody to imply that we are not bitter will imply the person leaving in fools paradise. Yes we are bitter, angry and are breaking point. Barack is right once again. It takes guts to voice out the truth. And sometimes the truth hurt, but its the truth anyway. For MacCain and Hilary to attack Barack makes me want to throw up. Somebody whose wife is multimillionaire, and another who made 109 million in 8 years to attack Obama who has not even seen four million in his life is very funny indeed!

Posted by: Adjaloo | April 11, 2008, 8:21 pm 8:21 pm

If Obama has guts, he should say this before PA audience not before CA audience.

Posted by: GS | April 11, 2008, 8:21 pm 8:21 pm

Obama says “…they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”
Obama seems to be equating guns, religion, and discomfort with immigrants with frustration and bitterness. Is it not possible that people who are neither frustrated nor bitter love their guns and their religion, and dislike immigrants and people unlike themselves?
I don’t know. If Obama becomes president is he going to move to change the national anthem to Kumbaya? (Just asking.)

Posted by: David H | April 11, 2008, 8:21 pm 8:21 pm

Here is the exactly what Obama has talked about himself how he won his Senator and how he tried to win US president:
“…. saying anything to win elections while failing to stand up to the special interests and fight for an economic agenda that will bring jobs and opportunity back to struggling communities”

Posted by: True Truth | April 11, 2008, 8:22 pm 8:22 pm

Finally there is somebody brave enough to speak the truth. Its true that folks are bitter and angry and frustrated. For anybody to say that what Obama said was wrong will mean, to me,that the person is not being truthful or just simply hate Barack Obama. Just think about this:homes are being foreclosed, jobs are being lost, real income is going down,rural areas are being devasted by empoyers shipping jobs outside and for anybody to imply that we are not bitter will imply the person leaving in fools paradise. Yes we are bitter, angry and are breaking point. Barack is right once again. It takes guts to voice out the truth. And sometimes the truth hurt, but its the truth anyway. For MacCain and Hilary to attack Barack makes me want to throw up. Somebody whose wife is multimillionaire, and another who made 109 million in 8 years to attack Obama who has not even seen four million in his life is very funny indeed!

Posted by: Adjaloo | April 11, 2008, 8:23 pm 8:23 pm

Obama is arrogant and elitist for sure. He repeatedly shows that he doesn’t have the capacity to feel what others are feeling. He sees people as “typical white people”, remarks we all “harbor stereotypes” and shows that he tends to generalize people’s concerns by their grouping. It is a very detached, negative way of viewing the lives and problems of Americans. You can’t solve problems unless you have genuine understanding and appreciation of why people feel the way they do. Again, also Obama has bitter words to describe those whom he sees as not embracing him – he reflexively sees it as their problem, not his own.

Posted by: hopesprings52 | April 11, 2008, 8:25 pm 8:25 pm

Senator Harding is siding with McCain on this one? Shocking. The Hillary 12 campaign continues.
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with what Obama said. People are bitter. They don’t believe politicians can deliver on their promises. They’re not going to buy the hope-monger stuff and he does have convincing to do. The insult to Pennsylvania voters is from McCain and Hillary who think they are too stupid to be talked to like adults and that they should play this idiotic Washington DC fauxtrage game and pretend to be offended.

Posted by: Jeremy | April 11, 2008, 8:26 pm 8:26 pm

Adjaloo
If Obama was brave, he wouldn’t have said this on the west coast. He was obviously twisting words to appease the ultra-liberal base there.
We’ll see how he explains this in person. I’m sure it will be eloquent but it will also extend his streak of duplicity.

Posted by: S | April 11, 2008, 8:26 pm 8:26 pm

Did everyone notice that Barack Hussein Obama
combined religion and guns in with the terms “antipathy” “anti-immigration sentiment” and “bitterness”?
Apparently, he would like to take away our “small town” antipathy and bitterness.
His track record proves he wants to take away our guns.
Now it looks like he’d like to take away our faith.
It’s like he doesn’t know that many generations
of Americans have loved God, owned guns
and held negative opinions of law-breakers. (anti-immigration?)
Just another reason to keep this man out of the White House.

Posted by: lbk | April 11, 2008, 8:26 pm 8:26 pm

I want to see Hillary Clinton Supporters take their bosses out to dinner when they give a pink slip telling them their jobs are going overseas Mexico and China in the next few months. People are bitter about that and his comments are true. People don’t want to hear the truth. They want Hillary Clinton to keeping promise all this money and where exactly is she going to get it from? If these companies keep moving the job overseas how is bringing money back to us. He is right and I get very bitter when I hear of companies shipping the jobs overseas and I don’t live in PA. The truth hurts doesn’t it.

Posted by: Karen | April 11, 2008, 8:27 pm 8:27 pm

Anyone that knows me knows that i have always been a staunch defender of Obama. But this comment is just, i swear to God, just insane on every conceivable level. It is idiotic and just, just madness. Why would he stick his feet in his mouth like this a week before Pennsylvania? Personally, i think Obama and his wife (especially his wife) are arrogant. This, i think, is worse than Rev. Wright. This is Obama in his own words using the very type of generalization that he preaches against. I think he just handed Clinton a lifeline. A humongous gift. What a big, big, big mistake. What an idiot.

Posted by: Kevin | April 11, 2008, 8:27 pm 8:27 pm

Adjaloo – Just think about this: homes are being foreclosed? You did write that line, correct?
Then why is Obama taking so much money from sub prime lenders who are kicking American homeowners out on the street?
Obama has taken $1,180,103 from the top issuers of subprime loans. [cq.com]
Obama received $266,907 from Lehman. [Cq.com]
Obama received $5395 from GMAC. [Cq.com]
Obama received $150,850 from CS First Boston . [Cq.com]
Obama received $11,250 from Countrywide. [Cq.com]
Obama received $9052 from Washington Mutual. [Cq.com]
Obama received $161,850 from Citigroup. [Cq.com]
Obama received $4600 from CBASS. [Cq.com]
Obama received $170,050 from Morgan Stanley. [Cq.com]
Obama received $1150 from Centex. [Cq.com]
Obama received $351,900 from Goldman Sachs. [Cq.com]

Posted by: Dogsoldier | April 11, 2008, 8:27 pm 8:27 pm

This is a factual statement: in times of great uncertainty, people more fully embrace their faith for answers, their arms for security, and scrutinize with a sharper eye those who are not them. Does this make Sen. Obama out of touch, or in any way insensitive to the plight of these people? Does this make him an elitist? If so, How? He’s not looking down on people who do these things, he’s saying he undestands why they do it. The reason they do is because the government does not now instill the necessary confidence in the people to know that things will both be alright, and that they will be kept safe. That is what Presidential and Congressional approval polls have been saying for months…it is the central message of his campaign…it is the reason he’s running for President. Consider the message and the words again…is Sen. Obama really putting people down, or is he explicity conveying that the failure is not of these people, but of the government? Denying that people become zenophobic when their jobs go overseas is betray the truth. Would NAFTA and the Colombian Trade Agreement and the issue of immigration loom so large in this campaign if the economy were booming? No. And anyone who believes that immigration questions do not directly correspond to both the economy and trade is simply, delusional.

Posted by: H. Aslan Aslani-Far | April 11, 2008, 8:27 pm 8:27 pm

Clinton’s lies about Bosnia, and NAFTA as mistakes, far out way Obama’s description of people’s feelings who are struggling in small towns. Besides, he never said that these people were “bitter” people. That’s dumb. He said they “get bitter” obviously meaning that they feel that way at times, which results in certain behaviors. The Clintons and McCain are manipulating words again.

Posted by: bob10001 | April 11, 2008, 8:28 pm 8:28 pm

Maybe Obama should give us the proof that he has that small town people are bitter and walking around with a chip in their shoulder saying the government owns them a better living.
Seems to me Wright is a man that is more line in Obama’s description of small town folk, better yet even Obama’s wife with all that she has walks around like a bitter woman, I think Obama is looking in the wrong direction to make his point.
He insults small town folks in PA then want them to run out and give him their vote, guess he feels all these bitter people in PA cant tell the difference when someone is looking down at them, so they will all vote for him anyway.

Posted by: SJ | April 11, 2008, 8:29 pm 8:29 pm

Karen – Pink slip? Do tell. Present you facts and where the jobs went and your sources.

Posted by: Dogsoldier | April 11, 2008, 8:30 pm 8:30 pm

S–Looks like you borrowed some cliches from the press: “empty suit”. Do you really think that all the people who support Obama are dumber than the Hillary supporters, or for that matter, the Republicans?
You don’t have to buy those cliches. All candidates offer their own platforms. In this modern campaign era, you can access them at their website. There’s no need for them to give a 10-points presentation.
How much do you know about Hillary’s or Mcain’s platforms, if you care so much about content?

Posted by: Lance D. | April 11, 2008, 8:30 pm 8:30 pm

Okay, so according to Clinton everyone — in these towns who were left behind by the Clinton1 economic revival and were further decimated by the Bush economic giveaway to the Rich and Haliburton — everyone is optimistic and happy and ready to roll up their sleeves and celestial angels will come down and… Oh, wait, we’re mixing our metaphors here. But she sounded so gleeful!!!
Everyone is going to have a great time with this for a few days, taking it out of context and bashing Senator Obama.
But the reality is that people SHOULD be bitter about where the country is right now. Bitter in particular at the Bush-Cheney administration that has so totally derailed this country. The question of what one does with that bitterness — turning it into vitriol at immigrants, for example, or (hopefully) working for real change in this country to begin to revitalize all our communities.
Many of those who criticize Senator Obama do so using out of context quotes and snippets from Newsmax, National Review and other sources. Those folks will probably have a field day with these new quotes, which will fuel their own bitterness!
The rest of us will continue to work to elect a President who will get us out of Iraq and work hard to get our economy back on track!
Obama 2008 — Yes, WE CAN!!!
Obama 2008 — Yes, WE CAN!!!

Posted by: Jackt51 -- Vietnam Vet and Proud Liberal | April 11, 2008, 8:30 pm 8:30 pm

I think the only one who is bitter around Senator Obama is his dear wife Michele.
Let’s hope the voters of PA become as angry and bitter as she is and send them back to were they came.

Posted by: Mark David | April 11, 2008, 8:31 pm 8:31 pm

This latest statement proves 1 major point that Barrack really doesn’t have God in his life because if he did he wouldn’t refer to people who have a spiritual relationship as just people who turn towards religion. Anyone who truly believes in God didn’t do it because it was a crutch or last resort,… Barrack’s tricky, sneaky and with these lack of religious understanding comments and his continuing to listen to the ‘paster’ that spread hate not love proves that he is a phony and hides behind a speech and a smile. … America is smarter than you think Barrack.

Posted by: Jeff G | April 11, 2008, 8:32 pm 8:32 pm

axt113
Statistics aren’t valid without a clear cause and effect relationships. I’m sure rural America is whiter too. And probably tends to work in agriculture. So what’s your point?

Posted by: S | April 11, 2008, 8:34 pm 8:34 pm

Karen – Perhaps you can present Obama’s plan on preventing any other American from losing their jobs. How Obama’s China plan will prevent any more jobs from disappearing. Same with India. Perhaps you could even send a letter to Nike about their overseas slave labor. Maybe we can build a wall around America to prevent trade going in and out. BTW, Mexico should do well building ladders.

Posted by: Dogsoldier | April 11, 2008, 8:34 pm 8:34 pm

S
Yes, yes, correlations not causation, nonetheless it does show a relationship, not necessarily a cause, but still a reltaionship

Posted by: axt113 | April 11, 2008, 8:36 pm 8:36 pm

If according to Obama that in small towns the people are bitter so they turn to the gun, I guess there is some kind of data to show that crime in small towns is escalating, or that the number of crimes committed elsewhere are done by a lot of bitter small town folks.
I hope Obama can furnish us with this data to show us the gun carrying small town people are persons we all need to watch out for.

Posted by: SJ | April 11, 2008, 8:37 pm 8:37 pm

SJ,
he wasn’t talking about crime rates, he was talking about how people in those areas feel about the govt.

Posted by: axt113 | April 11, 2008, 8:39 pm 8:39 pm

Sweet Lord. Another non-issue. Instead of listening to what the man has to say, dishonest people with an agenda fake outrage and cry racism and elitism. He’s saying that the government failed us. Is that not true? Have they not failed us on the economy, on jobs, healthcare, and national security? And what kills me is that he said the same thing about urban voters in the same speech. This issue is manufactured.

Posted by: Lauren | April 11, 2008, 8:41 pm 8:41 pm

What Barack Obama was trying to say that the United State is facing an oligarchy rule where we are being diverted from the real issues such as the war in Iraq, the economy and so on by the few. The few control the media.

Posted by: donis georgiou | April 11, 2008, 8:41 pm 8:41 pm

What Barack Obama was trying to say that the United State is facing an oligarchy rule where we are being diverted from the real issues such as the war in Iraq, the economy and so on by the few. The few control the media.

Posted by: donis georgiou | April 11, 2008, 8:41 pm 8:41 pm

Jeremy
What does bitterness have to do with gun carrying and religious extremism?
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The truth is Americans don’t like to me reminded that they are not angels and that not everyone around the world like them.
The average person in those towns where people lost jobs because of outsourcing does not have a good education. That’s a fact, not a political statement. For someone who have traveled a lot and experienced different cultures, I can tell that it is common reflex for people to blame their misfortunes on the newcomer or stranger. And the average american is no stranger to that either.
The bitterness for having lot their jobs thanks to outsourcing can bring the need for an identity. And believe or not, many americans think that guns and religion are part of that identity.

Posted by: Lance D. | April 11, 2008, 8:42 pm 8:42 pm

as a concerned Canadian, looking from the outside in, this is absolutely ridiculous that any american, who are true blooded and concerned about your future welfare as a nation, would choose anyone other than Hilary Clinton as your nominee.
you all have the chance to elect the wife of the president who is considered the greatest political mind of the 20th century.
We Canadians have watched as your strong nation has spiralled downward under the current presidency, and look amazed that W has not been impeached yet.
hate to tell you, but you really need 4 more years of president clinton, to finally get you country healing. God help a America under barrack Obama, thats something I will definitely find humerous!!!!!!

Posted by: tom | April 11, 2008, 8:42 pm 8:42 pm

It’s amazing how our revenue-seeking news media has managed to sensationalize the reporting on this. In his own remarks, Obama clearly notes that he is only talking about “some” not all. Furthermore, his remarks are not even really pejorative. In fact what he is saying is that people’s skepticism and resistance towards him is understandable. Somehow this has gotten warped into a slam against small-town America, and our short attention span, dim-witted media is buying the story, probably because it is the most juicy, regardless of whether it is actually true.
When you read the full context of his remarks, there’s nothing particularly remarkable about them. Some of the words were perhaps not the best chosen, but in my view there was no ill intent indicated. I suppose if you read the remarks in an unreasonably sensitive, defensive, or partisan way, and parse every word in order to interpret them in a particularly negative way, it is then possible to read them as pejorative against small town America. But again, if you actually take time to understand the full context (the job of real reporters) there really wasn’t much there.

Posted by: Gene L | April 11, 2008, 8:42 pm 8:42 pm

Barack is a good guy. But he just made a big mistake. I think the man’s biggest flaw is arrogance.

Posted by: Kevin | April 11, 2008, 8:42 pm 8:42 pm

-Obama in his church with Rev. Wright.
-Obama delivering a speech distancing himself from Rev. Wright.
-Obama bowling with the little guy in Pennsylvania.
-Obama in San Francisco speaking to wealthy, privileged contributors about the delusions of the little guy in Pennsylvania.
-Obama cutting a real estate deal with Rezko.
-Obama decrying corrupting influences in politics.
-Obama exhorting us to care for each other.
-Obama donating less than 1% of his income to charity.
So which Obama do I vote for?

Posted by: WylieD | April 11, 2008, 8:42 pm 8:42 pm

For all who think these comments are silly and inconsequential, I warn you now: this goes to the heart and soul of every man and woman who has ever been laid off, deserted by social agencies and left to scramble to pick up the pieces on their own. How smug it is to speak of people like they’re insects beneath a microscope. How absolutely arrogant and insensitive!
How dare anyone say it such disparging tones that he/she can explain the deep-seated anguish in these towns and burbs, where the latter-day middle class has floundered for years? And to a bunch of well-heeled, west coast supporters, who I’m sure tittered over their white wine and cheese. Cut me a break.
This is not an academic analysis, folks, a graduate thesis on the mindset of working class people. This cuts squarely into the place where people, real human beings live. Or at least try to live.
I’m a former, 20-year Pennsylvania resident and I can tell you in no uncertain terms–this is “not” silliness, racist, out of context or any of the other nonsensical excuses Senator Obama has used in the past.
Cover your ears. The howl is coming!

Posted by: Peggy Sue | April 11, 2008, 8:43 pm 8:43 pm

donis georgiou
It that is what Obama meant to say, why didn’t he say it? Are you a mind reader?

Posted by: S | April 11, 2008, 8:43 pm 8:43 pm

axt113: How do you know what he was trying to say when he was saying these people are bitter and turn to their guns?
Anyone can take it to mean anything, that they turn to their guns to commit crime, to shoot each other, to hunt whatever.
Obama made the statement and it is kind of odd to say someone will turn to their guns when they have lost their jobs, or because they feel the government had given them a raw deal, exactly what is he trying to say?

Posted by: SJ | April 11, 2008, 8:44 pm 8:44 pm

Obama’s biggest mistake in this was trying to address Americans as adults, too many americans (Republicans and Hillary supporters), do not apply.

Posted by: axt113 | April 11, 2008, 8:46 pm 8:46 pm

I am just analyzing what he’s saying

Posted by: donis georgiou | April 11, 2008, 8:47 pm 8:47 pm

Dogsoldier
Study after study shows that racism, violent crime, sexism, etc…all go up in direct correlation to the economy going down. I am not just trying to defend Obama here…I am scared that Clinton and McCain are trying to use this as an insult …when …How can someone running for President not know that what Obama said has been proven statistically over and over again to be true. Those towns have a right to be bitter… and sometimes bitterness has to react on something they feel they can control… that comes out in all these issues. The next President needs to know that and needs to address that… and if they don’t know that which is what I expect is the case from the other two candidates…then they don’t really know what a closing factory and loss of jobs does to a community.
They just see this as a way to say he is insulting them by addressing the issues…all of the issues that occur and he obviously has the facilities to understand that oppposed to the other two who are so unaware of simple statistics that they think it is an insult. …adn some of those same studies showed how these issues become cyclical… so if you don’t know how to change the cycle and you don’t address those issues …you aren’t going to help those people.
Yeah he’s smarter than they are…and better at addressing the complexity of the issues.
This issue we will see in the next few days is going to hugely backfire on Clinton and McCain.

Posted by: dl | April 11, 2008, 8:47 pm 8:47 pm

Karen
Why use multiple word posts? Just say ditto. We will understand.

Posted by: S | April 11, 2008, 8:48 pm 8:48 pm

Obama supporters I guess this is Obama’s “Slack Jawed Yokel” speech. Obama is such an elitist phony.

Posted by: Gonzalo | April 11, 2008, 8:49 pm 8:49 pm

SJ, he was pointing out that those who are poor in rural areas tend to have higher religious attendance and gun ownership and a fear of those who are outsiders and globalization and as a result feel strongly about those issues, as a result they tend to support the party that panders to those issues. If they had jobs and had money they would be less concerned about those issues

Posted by: axt113 | April 11, 2008, 8:49 pm 8:49 pm

Karen – How sweet of you to reply. Do look up the Brittany Spears detox program between you “educated” posts.

Posted by: Dogsoldier | April 11, 2008, 8:49 pm 8:49 pm

Karen – How sweet of you to reply. Do look up the Brittany Spears detox program between your “educated” posts.

Posted by: Dogsoldier | April 11, 2008, 8:50 pm 8:50 pm

I think Obama’s remarks can explain Rev. Wright and Louis Farrakhan just as well as they can anything else. Somehow though, I don’t think he’d like to be told that.
Stick a fork in him, he’s done.

Posted by: Janis | April 11, 2008, 8:51 pm 8:51 pm

Obama is arrogant, an elitist who used the “Getting down with my ‘sort of’ black roots” church in Chicago to make sure African Americans saw him as one of them. Yet he can’t keep his foot out of the world he grew up in with the elitist whites – his foot just keeps going into his mouth. He lies about one thing after another to play revisionist with his own personal history. He barely speaks of his white grandparents who raised him, other than to point a critiquing finger at his typical white grandmother whom he portrayed as being a bit of a racist. His white grandparents raised him and gave him all that made his life easier than most. His African father barely touched his life, leaving him when he was a toddler. But Obama wants to be known as an African American. He speaks of Kansas, which had nothing to do with his life and very little to do with his mother’s. He re-invents his background and interests depending on which town he is in and what group of people he is addressing. He is often lying to paint a picture of himself that he feels most people, being ignorant, will swallow. He is arrogant and sly. He is a smooth orator but says nothing. Those who hang on to his words are craving anything different than what is occurring now. Often these types of followers are easy prey for cult leaders. And folks, this is what he is — nothing more than a inspirational speaker, who preys on the dissatisfied. Hillary Clinton is practical and makes sound judgments and knows how to problem solve. Yes, she has baggage and so does every single political figure. We know her baggage. We are just seeing the tip of the iceberg with Obama. This guy is not the person he is portraying. He is being given more money to run his campaign than anyone has ever been given. How many of the Hollywood elite, and the Jesse Jacksons, Al Sharptons, Ted Kennedys, and crooks, like George Soros and Ayers, is this guy, Obama, going to owe if he wins our Nation’s White House? It would be a horrid turning point for our Nation. “Change, Yes We Can” – what change? He says nothing, no specifics. He chants and his groups chant back to him. If he wins the White House, those he owes will be lined up at the door, and our beloved Country will be in their corrupt, greedy hands. All because of this shallow man playing the race card whenever anyone should criticize his methods or plans or those he associates with. He has found he can put a “gag” on his critics by calling racism. That’s very dangerous for our Nation, indeed. Think about it.

Posted by: Mod1 | April 11, 2008, 8:52 pm 8:52 pm

Janis,
People keep saying that and yet he’s still winning

Posted by: axt113 | April 11, 2008, 8:53 pm 8:53 pm

i was born in a small town of 2,000 to poverty-stricken, hardworking parents who assured that i would have a better life. having taught for 35 years i still live in that same small town and am not religious; i welcome immigrants to our country; i favor free trade and do not fit mr. obama’s stereotype. neither do my townspeople.
the gentleman from illinois should avoid generalizations and stereotyping…
and his lack of judgment shocks me.

Posted by: ron | April 11, 2008, 8:54 pm 8:54 pm

Peggy Sue– I hope you are not overreacting. I always find it a bit cliche when people say “Oh, you know you can’t understand my pain because you don’t live it”.
There is something in every human being called compassion. Our society wouldn’t be able to exist without it.
Is it possible to try and forgive someone who tried to be compassionate even if he might have had few unfortunate words? I mean, this guy was assessing a situation and trying to be as compassionate as possible. What is wrong with that?

Posted by: Lance D. | April 11, 2008, 8:54 pm 8:54 pm

Mr. Obama has no problem sterotyping a whole group of people as being bitter,and because of this they somehow cling to religion,guns,and prejudice! This is just as bad as saying blacks are lazy, and like to eat chicken and watermellon! It show the disconnect between the the elitist in this country who think that only they know best and that they have some sort of monopoloy on what is the correct way to live and behave! They are ethnocentristic in their view of american society. They take little time or patientce with anyone or group that does not think the way they do! I do not want Mr. Obama to apologize for what he said, this is what he beleives and everyone has a right to say what they beleive! Just like working class people have a right to vote for someone who shares their values of hard work, religion, family, and patriotism! For us that canidate is Hillary Clinton!

Posted by: russell | April 11, 2008, 8:55 pm 8:55 pm

Dogsoldier and S You will need Britney’s doctor’s more than me when Hillary loses. I hope you guys do not commit suicide but then again WHO CARES…

Posted by: Karen | April 11, 2008, 8:55 pm 8:55 pm

I really don’t understand why the media and others are so offended by Obama’s comments. It sounds like he was defending and speaking up for small town america. I see no elitism here, but empathy and compassion. Any time he says anything the slightest bit controversial, the Clintons and media turn it around. If Hillary had made these comments, people would be praising her. The people of Pennsylvania and other small towns shoud see how much Obama understands their strugles. It makes me so angry that he has to live up to such a double standard with the media.

Posted by: NanH | April 11, 2008, 8:55 pm 8:55 pm

dl – None of us have seen anything close to the end of hard times yet. We pull out of the middle east and oil smashes through the roof because the Middle East is gonna be in flames for years. That means food, housing, household products, and just about everything else we use is going to keep rising in prices with no end in sight. Both Clinton and Obama will pull our troops out. Then Iran will get their nukes and if they threaten Israel whose sitting on 300+ nukes according to best estimates then God help us all.

Posted by: Dogsoldier | April 11, 2008, 8:55 pm 8:55 pm

Mod1
You obviously don’t understand the issues…what he said was true. and if the other candidates don’t know that many towns will be left behind because of those things eating the town to be unlivable and avoidable when it comes to companies planning to relocate.
… you are spewing a lot in that comment you made…but none of it is backed up with facts…just lopsided anger.
Obama’s not perfect but he is the bast candidate I have seen in my lifetime.
…and if you think he is lying about so much and that he all about speeches…you aren’t really paying attention.
Especially on this issue …looking condescension when he is addressing anissue those towns were burdened with… Your right …I am an elitist …because I truly think that that is REALLLYYY dumb.

Posted by: dl | April 11, 2008, 8:58 pm 8:58 pm

dl – Obama the best candidate you saw in your lifetime? Well, the obvious answer is half the democrats think “best” is Hillary.

Posted by: Dogsoldier | April 11, 2008, 9:00 pm 9:00 pm

russell
I think Obama made a boneheaded mistake and will surely pay for it. But your stereotype is idiotic and frankly, racist. The truth is that rural American is bitter (and has good reasons to be). They are clearly bitter. If Obama had left it at that, this would have been a non-story. But you comparing his comments to assertions that African Americans are lazy and love watermelons, is blatantly stupid. The truth is i’ve never heard that African Americans are lazy. I don’t know what type of folks you hang out with, but just keep those stereotypes that your buddies toss out to yourself, please.

Posted by: Kevin | April 11, 2008, 9:01 pm 9:01 pm

An oppressed population has no reason to apologize or hide their expression of anger or the truth of what has happened to them and is still happening to them. And, Yes, it is TRUTH that gets the liars upset and stuck on stupid as in the last two elections. Come to Washington rural areas and find out how folks act when they get shafted by the government, their own inactivity, etc; they take it out on the person who is succeeding in hard times. And, they are bitter, bitter, bitter.
I hope you vote for Mcelder or Sillary and the draft is reinstated so you can go defend the lies you stand up for.
Otherwise, face the reality of the One World, we have to live in and be happy in or not. Move forward together or stagnate in the same cess pools of triviality.

Posted by: vkg | April 11, 2008, 9:02 pm 9:02 pm

please elect Hilary, don’t be so stupid as to elect an obviously inexperienced man who felt he could untimately devide a nation by race and win a nomination which he is not entitled to, Hilary Clinton has a long and distinguished history looking after the interests of the american people. My question is why do you Americans not see that?? she is not a Cale Carnagie graduate as her oponent obviously is, but her sincerity speaks to people like me, who don’t even live in the US. i would move to the US if Hilary is elected;; not so much if you elect a second coming of GWB!!!!!!!! in democraTIC CLOTHING!!!!

Posted by: sammy | April 11, 2008, 9:03 pm 9:03 pm

Dogsoldier I agree…but I also know that we are going to diminish our kids and grandkids generations and security as well if we keep this up with the war…
that is why we have some heavy roads ahead…and what obama said today about towns getting bitter and latching on to fear and anger is going to hit this country…and if the other two candidates don’t see that in the towns that already had it happen…then you better believe we will be in for a very bad few decades…just socially on top of the financials and the security issues…
and those issues add to our standing globally. These side effects from a downturned economy have to be addressed and when people attack a candidate for addressing them … Not to sound like a jerkk but they don’t know what they are talking about. This is the national problem that awaits us and it needs to be headed off before we get there.

Posted by: dl | April 11, 2008, 9:04 pm 9:04 pm

An oppressed population has no reason to apologize or hide their expression of anger or the truth of what has happened to them and is still happening to them. And, Yes, it is TRUTH that gets the liars upset and stuck on stupid as in the last two elections. Come to Washington rural areas and find out how folks act when they get shafted by the government, their own inactivity, etc; they take it out on the person who is succeeding in hard times. And, they are bitter, bitter, bitter.
I hope you vote for Mcelder or Sillary and the draft is reinstated so you can go defend the lies you stand up for.
Otherwise, face the reality of the One World, we have to live in and be happy in or not. Move forward together or stagnate in the same cess pools of triviality.

Posted by: vkg | April 11, 2008, 9:04 pm 9:04 pm

-Obama in his church with Rev. Wright.
-Obama delivering a speech distancing himself from Rev. Wright.
-Obama bowling with the little guy in Pennsylvania.
-Obama in San Francisco speaking to wealthy, privileged contributors about the delusions of the little guy in Pennsylvania.
-Obama cutting a real estate deal with Rezko.
-Obama decrying corrupting influences in politics.
-Obama exhorting us to care for each other.
-Obama donating less than 1% of his income to charity.
So which Obama do I vote for?
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RE: the above post — Excellent analysis, and this is just a tid bit of the Obaminations. The DNC will have to nominate Obama, or they will have a riot on their hands. Ironic really. The DNC is sweating bullets because they are in a bind and are stuck with Obama and his baggage, which has just started spilling out. Yeah, that’s a shame.
I am hoping that Hillary will run as an Independent. She can really make history being the first female President of the USA and being the first candidate to win on an Independent Ticket. Go, Hillary.

Posted by: Mod1 | April 11, 2008, 9:06 pm 9:06 pm

NanH
The problem with Obama’s comments isn’t that what he said was totally wrong. It’s that he said it. He shouldn’t have said it because he is a politician, and politicians should know that the first rule of politics is pandering. Nobody wants to hear the truth. Secondly, it involved a type of generalization that, frankly, is beneath a man of his intelligence. What he said was unacceptable on every conceivable level. A radio talk show host could get away with it. A politician running for President? No. For him to have the audacity to say it displays an arrogance that I find flabbergasting.

Posted by: Kevin | April 11, 2008, 9:07 pm 9:07 pm

Stick a fork in him, he’s done.–Janis
Seems to me that you are the one who’s extremist here. Are you one of those nostalgic of the old south.

Posted by: Lance D. | April 11, 2008, 9:07 pm 9:07 pm

Hillary: “As I travel around Pennsylvania, I meet people who are resilient, who are optimistic, who are positive, who are rolling up their sleeves. They are working hard everyday for a better future, for themselves and their children.”
Did anyone ever see the old Soviet or Mao propganda movies about life on the countryside and in the working classes?
They exactly fit Hillary’s words.

Posted by: ken | April 11, 2008, 9:08 pm 9:08 pm

I can see it comming, Mr. Obama will ask for another 30 min. of free air time to give us another one of his free lectures this time on how he was just trying to show that he was attempting to explain how blacks and white working people have so much in common and that their struggles must be seen in the broader context of how the american government has been complicit in their suffering! You see he will explain that the use of the words clinging to guns and religion is just a metaphor for working people grasping on to things that they hold dear as a lifeboat in troubled economic waters. After the speech all the news pundits will say you see he really gets working class white people this is another example of why he is a once in a lifetime leader!

Posted by: russell | April 11, 2008, 9:09 pm 9:09 pm

The small town Americans that Obama slammed in front of his rich friends in San Francisco are the same people who helped their neighbors get through floods, tornadoes, and horrific wind storms. They watched over each others salvable belongings, prayed and cried together. Obama in one fundraiser took their pride and respect away from them. Your Rev. said God Damn America, well how about God Damn You!

Posted by: Kenny from Ct. | April 11, 2008, 9:10 pm 9:10 pm

dl – I work for big oil. My job is safe for the next thirty years. The pay is excellent and I’ll do just fine. The rest of America? Who has one single idea where the world will be next week let alone months from now? Everything all candidates are saying right now has no meanings because the world refuses to stand still while the American election is in motion. And it appears we, the bloggers, are the only ones in static mode at the moment.

Posted by: Dogsoldier | April 11, 2008, 9:13 pm 9:13 pm

Kenny from Ct.–You are stretching the facts quite a bit here. Wow! Did we read the same article?
Are you saying you didn’t feel any compassion in the tone of the article? Please tell me; then I will go back and see if I miss something.

Posted by: Lance D. | April 11, 2008, 9:14 pm 9:14 pm

After those comments, I would be surprised if Obama won the PA primary.

Posted by: Brady | April 11, 2008, 9:14 pm 9:14 pm

Obama should have been more sensitive. The comment will hurt him. Nonetheless, what he said is true. It was their bloated union
benefits and their living beyond their means that caused those folks in western Pennsylania to lose their jobs to foreign countries, not international trade treaties or illegal immigrants. As the 1950′s comic strip character, Pogo, so well put it: “We have met the enemy, and they are us.”

Posted by: Carlos Navarro | April 11, 2008, 9:14 pm 9:14 pm

TO: Posted by: dl | Apr 11, 2008 8:58:29 PM
I understand far more than you know. I suppose you see yourself as the enlightened one, being a follower of BO. Don’t presume to know me by making accusations that I obviously don’t understand…. This is not a website for attacking each other; it is one to voice opinions about the above article. I realize that BO followers feel a strong pull to defend him beyond what is rational and beyond what is obvious to those of us who can be objective. This is not a case of if you disagree with BO, then you must agree with GWB. It’s not either – or. There are other options. Think.

Posted by: Mod1 | April 11, 2008, 9:16 pm 9:16 pm

Kenny from Ct. – Excellent post on small town America.

Posted by: Dogsoldier | April 11, 2008, 9:16 pm 9:16 pm

Nice to see McCain and Clinton team up again, huh, on second thought Kennedy, Clinton, McCain… Is there even one Democrat John McCain isnt chummy with or doesn’t like!?! The man is in the wrong party. Ugh! Republicans should be ashamed, 1st eight years of Bush, now this… I give up! Take it Hilliary, take it Barack. We deserve to be subjected to your rule. God, it’d sure be nice if we had a 2nd oppostion party like the old days, but that is just SO, last century!

Posted by: Ned | April 11, 2008, 9:18 pm 9:18 pm

Well. Looks like there is a great prosperity and happiness in PA.
That what You said?
I understand – Clintons are Phony.
But why should we fool ourselves, that we are NOT in trouble, that we are wealthy, happy, no money needed, no crises, no foreclosure.
Everything just great.
And everyone is a hero.
let’s lie to ourselves, as it is sounds more sweet.
Ask You stomach – how will it feel , getting just sweets.
We should look into the face of reality without tales and without anger, we should deal with it, not to embellish. Than we can make it – to go through.
The truth is not always profitable, but we will lose without it.

Posted by: Linda,Fl | April 11, 2008, 9:19 pm 9:19 pm

Kelly – No need to attack Trapper. This same article I first read on Huffington Post, Fox, and others. Perhaps you could comment on what the article says or does not say.

Posted by: Dogsoldier | April 11, 2008, 9:20 pm 9:20 pm

Obama is insensitive because he has led a charmed life. I read some of these notes where some people are calling others “racist” because they don’t agree with Obama or they don’t like Obama. This is what Obama has started. He is the most divisive candidate the Nation has ever had. He does not and will not represent the people of this Nation. He will represent and speak for and support the concerns mainly of 12% of this Nation, along with a handful of elitist white liberals who enjoy wearing their charity works on their sleeves in the form of colored ribbons.

Posted by: KenO | April 11, 2008, 9:21 pm 9:21 pm

ken, I TOTALLY agree! LOL!
If there is ONE shocking quote tonight, it is Hillary’s
“As I travel around Pennsylvania, I meet people who are resilient, who are optimistic, who are positive, who are rolling up their sleeves. They are working hard everyday for a better future, for themselves and their children.”
It reminds of her travels to other countries as part of her foreign policy experience claims. She saw the Embassy’s, some museums, some ballets and concerts they organized for the Clintons…
This woman, a multi-millionaire, is TOTALLY out of touch with the tough reality that is the continuum for so many American families out there.
I had exactlty the same idea as ken: her description ONLY looks like some communist propaganda poster or movie, full of positive hard working ordinary (but beautiful, of course) people with rolled up sleeves. It is KITSCH, it is a LIE that is comfortable for those in power, and it’s a BETRAYAL AGAIN of the folks who already feel betrayed.
And yet…. people bash Obama?
Anyway, I learned something from this. Hillary is kitsch! The glamorous Hollywood version of ” working class America” and some multi-millionaire Evita Peron who fights for the poor! Horrible! HOR-RI-BLE!

Posted by: Greta | April 11, 2008, 9:24 pm 9:24 pm

As they say in rural america I hope Mr.Obama gets his comeupins on April 22!

Posted by: russell | April 11, 2008, 9:25 pm 9:25 pm

obama and his followers don’t understand…they can win every liberal democratic primary they want…but they will not win the general election.
whites have learned to play the game…tell the pollsters the pc thing and then vote against whoever you want to vote against.
…so went mcgovern…so went carter…so went kerry…each thought they were better than the republican.

Posted by: ron | April 11, 2008, 9:28 pm 9:28 pm

Tell me why would you not hang onto religion if you have nothing else?????I am from a small town and I think this man is right on. He is one who understands middle and poor class people the other two have major money and you think they care.Mc Cain leaving tax breaks for the RICH …..Hillys ideas costing us BILLIONS that is one pet project.Big ideas this lady who is paying ??????US who else >>>>>They can’t spend the interest on their dirty money.

Posted by: h | April 11, 2008, 9:30 pm 9:30 pm

OK SO HOW LONG BEFORE SOME OF THE REALLY STRONG SUPPORTERS OF BARRACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, COME FORWARD AND ADMIT THERE WAS MISTAKES MADE IN THERE DECISION TO SUPPORT HIM, CAN ANTI-CLINTON SENTIMENT OVERRIDE WHATS BEEN SEEN LATELY IN THE RACIALLY CHARGED RETHOREC THAT WE SEE FROM THE OBAMA CAMP.
COME ON AMERICA, MAKE THE REST OF THE WORLD HAPPY, VOTE HILARY AND SEE WHAT LEGITIMATE, REAL LIFE POLITICS GET YOU, VOTE FOR MAMA!!!! thats true ” change we can believe in”
life without the clintons, is not what you need now after 8 years of distruction

Posted by: TOM | April 11, 2008, 9:31 pm 9:31 pm

h – Perhaps you could price out “all” the Obama promises?

Posted by: Dogsoldier | April 11, 2008, 9:32 pm 9:32 pm

The thing to take from this is that Obama has once again demonstrated his inability to be elected in November. He’s once again alienated the middle class. To most American people, religion is important, and should be compared to something you “cling” to. And although the NRA is mostly republican, he’s gonna lose a lot of male voters who hunt. I live in PA and I still have to deal with bumper stickers that say “Sportsmen for Bush”. They voted for that one issue….guns. The Dems are done unless they pick Hillary.

Posted by: Pittsburghvoter | April 11, 2008, 9:43 pm 9:43 pm

Everybody in the media knows this story…why don’t they tell this story?
Chicago Sun-Times”An examination of Obama”s first campaign clouds the image he has cultivated throughout his political career: Obama, who runs on a message of giving a voice to the voiceless, first entered public office not by leveling the playing field, but by clearing it. Alice Palmer, friend and mentor to Obama, served the district in the Illinois Senate for much of the 1990s. Decades earlier, she was a community organizer in the area. She risked her safe seat to run for Congress and touted Obama as a suitable successor. But when Palmer lost the congressional race, her supporters asked Obama to fold his campaign so she could easily retain her seat. Obama not only refused to step aside for the woman who was his friend and had recommended him for the seat, he filed challenges that nullified Palmer”s hastily gathered nominating petitions, forcing her to withdraw. Had Palmer survived the petition challenge, Obama would have faced the daunting task of taking on an incumbent senator. “He wondered if we should knock everybody off the ballot. How would that look?” said Ronald Davis, the paid Obama campaign consultant. Davis filed objections to all four of Obama”s Democratic rivals at the candidate”s behest. All other candidates were disposed of by Obama”s challenges. He then went on to win the election.”

Posted by: Jackie | April 11, 2008, 9:44 pm 9:44 pm

This really hurts because I was the biggest Obama supporter out there in Scranton. I have donated about $2000 to the Obama campaign that I now wish I could have back. Ok, I let the comment about your grandmother slide, I saw your perspective. But this comment is too much. Religion is a symptom of a despondent America? Say it isn’t so, really, say it isn’t so. I don’t believe a word you say anymore, and I will be e-mailing Mr Axelrod for a refund tonight.

Posted by: Carl | April 11, 2008, 9:46 pm 9:46 pm

Carl:
You can ask for your money back—and they HAVE to give it to you!!!!
Don’t be hurt, be MAD!!!!

Posted by: Bren | April 11, 2008, 9:47 pm 9:47 pm

If McCain and Hillary can’t even see the problems in small towns, how do you suppose they will fix them ?

Posted by: Ron | April 11, 2008, 9:47 pm 9:47 pm

Carl – Did you really give $2000 to the Obama campaign?

Posted by: Dogsoldier | April 11, 2008, 9:48 pm 9:48 pm

I agree with the following written by Kenny from CT.
The small town Americans that Obama slammed in front of his rich friends in San Francisco are the same people who helped their neighbors get through floods, tornadoes, and horrific wind storms. They watched over each others salvable belongings, prayed and cried together. Obama in one fundraiser took their pride and respect away from them. Your Rev. said God Damn America, well how about God Damn You!
Posted by: Kenny from Ct. | Apr 11, 2008 9:10:36 PM

Posted by: Dogsoldier | April 11, 2008, 9:50 pm 9:50 pm

Ron:
Some of our BEST economic years were when the Clinton’s were in office!!!
As far as McCain goes, I am only voting for him if Hussein Obama becomes the nominee!!! I will be voting for McCain for the future of my country and my children/grandchildren—–as Hussein Obama will DESTROY this country from within!!!!

Posted by: Bren | April 11, 2008, 9:52 pm 9:52 pm

The Clinton years were years of unprecedented prosperity. It is a shame that a democrat distorts the facts so much at the expense of the only democratic president in recent memory. And than Obama claims he is for democratic unity. Clintons have every right to ask their supporters not to vote for him.
As for the small town remarks: what else do you expect from an Ivy League-educated leftist liberal that has among his most prominent backers Kennedy and Kerry?

Posted by: LT | April 11, 2008, 10:09 pm 10:09 pm

Obama’s comments make perfect sense. People are bitter about the impact of the economic policies of the Republicans. And they cling to things they love like guns and religion, because they are all that the Republicans have left them with. To distract the people from the impact of their polcies Republicans try and play upon people’s fears that Democrat’s will take away their guns or attack their religion.
As for Obama’s comments implying the existence of xenophobia, just read the post referring to “Hussein Obama” and see if the shoe at least fits some feet.

Posted by: Richard | April 11, 2008, 10:16 pm 10:16 pm

Sean Hannity is one of the most polarizing figures in America. Wish we could get past this politics of division. Remember Compassionate Conservatism. WHAT A JOKE. Some of you need to get past your obvious sensitivities towards BO race. Remember he is a little of both.

Posted by: tukss | April 11, 2008, 10:55 pm 10:55 pm

Since the male dema
ocrat canidate is ashamed of his name and I dont want to be called a racist for saying his name I will just refer to him as canidate X. Mister X has just insulted all the people in this country, who go to work ever day put there shoulder to the wheel and keep this country moveing in the right direction. We have seen that in his church his paster and the people he preaches at are bitter and blame this great country for all the ill,s in the world. [Go away mister] XXXXXXXXXXX-O

Posted by: archie | April 11, 2008, 11:33 pm 11:33 pm

It’s unclear what the supporters of Senator Clinton are looking for or waiting for her to do. The Emporer Has No Clothes. So when you go out to vote, please be informed, because the suggestion that Senator Clinton’s service as First Lady somehow qualifies her as the person most ready to be President of the United States is a ludicrous assertion. Perhaps then she and Laura Bush should share a ticket, though it would, however, be difficult to determine who of the two has the most experience to be President. After all, Laura Bush has traveled around the world and given her opinion regarding many significant issues. However, I don’t recall Laura Bush, (as first lady) blatantly lying about being shot at in Bosnia, risking a possible US invasion of that country! Or lying about her daughter being near the twin towers when they got hit, and spinning an outlandish tale of how she (Chelsea) had to run for her life, just to win a seat in the senate! The fact is Senator Clinton is a liar! She lied when she said she put pressure on Bill to intervene in Rwanda, and she lied to the voters in Ohio as she now lies to the voters in your state, when she says she fought against NAFTA. As the White House papers show, there was no attempt to pressure President Clinton to put an end to the genocide in Rwanda, nor was she pushing against the institution of NAFTA. In fact, she was a huge proponent of NAFTA. And what about her top adviser? Mark Penn is not just a heavy hitting PR person, he’s an unscrupulous PR person, giving advice to clients such as the tobacco industry, instructing them on how to target inner city minorities via smokers rights groups! Blackwater on how to effectively respond to questions from the 911 commission, to cover up their indiscriminate killing and torturing of men, women and children in Iraq! Advising subprime lending groups on how to move forward with their illegal agendas and deflect fallout while ruthlessly leaving people homeless and bewildered! Not to mention the Colombian Free Trade Deal. While Senator Clinton appears to have “demoted” Penn from chief strategist, she fell quite short of removing him from her campaign altogether–he will serve as one of her top advisers. Senator Clinton’s retention of Mark Penn, exposes her contempt for the millions of Americans that have lost their jobs to NAFTA, and stand to lose their jobs to CAFTA! She will say and do anything to win this nomination and she has completely fabricated her foreign relations experience!
During Bill Clinton’s presidency Senator Clinton was not qualified to speak in any official capacity, nor was she in a position to sign peace treatise or broker deals. It’s absolutely absurd and offensive to the intelligence of thinking individuals to suggest otherwise. She was however given the official position to head and be the chairwoman of the Task Force on National Health Care Reform. As usual she attempted to secretly draft the bill, botched the job, turned Democrats against her and effectively galvanized the Republican Party to work in unity against the Democrats! Needless to say, for the first time in twelve years, the Democratic Party lost their majority in Congress
Now fast forward to the Clinton’s tax returns revealing 118m gross income, much of it earned through former President Clinton’s speeches, and the not so subtle lobbying of the insurance company responsible for halting the 1993 health care reform plan of the Clinton Administration. Health Insurance Association of America (HIAA), now America’s Health Insurance Plans (AHIP), paid President Clinton $150,000.00 dollars in June of 2005, to deliver a speech to their board. I believe it should raise a red flag to those supporting/endorsing Senator Clinton to recognize the problematic relationship created by this. The language that now crafts Senator Clinton’s health care plan, mirrors AHIP’s proposal in remarkably unsettling ways that warrant examination, particularly if these speeches point to the possible currying of future favors granted by Senator Clinton, “should” she become President. Robert Reich, Bill Clinton’s secretary of labor and the head of Clinton’s economic transition team has the following to say about the Health Care Proposal Debate:
Both of them are big advances over what we have now.
But in my view Obama’s would insure more people, not fewer, than HRC’s. That’s because Obama’s puts more money up front and contains sufficient subsidies to insure everyone who’s likely to need help — including all children and young adults up to 25 years old.
Hers requires that everyone insure themselves. Yet we know from experience with mandated auto insurance — and we’re learning from what’s happening in Massachusetts where health insurance is now being mandated — that mandates still leave out a lot of people at the lower end who can’t afford to insure themselves even when they’re required to do so.
Senator Obama has far more legislative experience than Senator Clinton. He served as an Illinois senator for 8 years and has only 2 less years of congressional experience than Senator Clinton. His honesty and integrity, coupled with his experience as a community organizer, civil rights attorney, Illinois State Senator and US Senator will enrich the position of President and bring about a positive change much needed in Washington.
Sincerely,
J. Taylor
Robert Reich Source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-reich/why-is-hrc-stooping-so-lo_b_75191.htm
America’s Health Insurance Plans: http://www.ahip.org/content/default.aspx...

Posted by: J. Taylor | April 11, 2008, 11:55 pm 11:55 pm

Annagain:
Don’t count on it!!! Some of the Obama supporters will make excuses for him (as they are now) and believe his coverup lies and spin!!! It is already happening.

Posted by: Bren | April 12, 2008, 12:00 am 12:00 am

Bren,
What are you talking about? I don’t understand what you’re saying. Could you please elaborate.

Posted by: J.Taylor | April 12, 2008, 12:06 am 12:06 am

Watch Sean Hannity on Fox tomorrow and Sunday night (8PM or 9PMEST)—-he is going to expose the lies, corruption, etc. of Obama.
He is also going to expose his connections/associations with Farrakhan, Rezko, Reverand Wright, and William Ayers!!!

Posted by: Bren | April 12, 2008, 12:32 am 12:32 am

All this adds up to is a more Obama and Clinton hating and a divided dem camp which means victory for the repubs in nov. Oh well, looks like four more years of the same…sigh..

Posted by: Jmedia | April 12, 2008, 12:55 am 12:55 am

Once again Obama sinks into the abyss of hate. Subliminal from Rev Wright
It is 3 p.m. the kids are in school, husband at work, a knock at the door.
McCain? Obama? or Hillary Clinton
Which one would you invite into your kitchen to have a cup of coffee,and discuss what you expect from the leader of the free world.
I know I would invite Hillary Clinton in and be overjoyed that she has the fortitude and strength to lead our Country.

Posted by: John Q Public | April 12, 2008, 12:58 am 12:58 am

Well maybe people in small town PA aren’t bitter and frustrated about where this cracked out govt has led us the past eight years but I know I sure as heck am. If you aren’t what reality have you been living in the past decade?

Posted by: small town TX | April 12, 2008, 1:09 am 1:09 am

Either you people making a stink over what Obama said are frauds or you simply are not too bright . Obama said nothing demeaning , he was showing understanding of the plight of so many ( including myself ) is what he was doing . Obama spent his early career after graduation from Harvard representing and working with the inner city poor and disadvantaged when he could have been a corporate lawyer in some hot shot law firm getting rich . Clinton ? A member of the young Republicans and then six years in the corporate board room of Walmart ! And for those of you who don’t know it , yes , it is the truth , look it up , google it . Obama is a very intelligent man , his is not Bush speak , seriously I think many don’t have the intelligence to grasp what he says and do not understand what he meant . With Bush’s command of the English language , that of an eight year old , no wonder he was such a hit , people could identify with him and understand him , no matter that he is a chronic BS artist and liar . Because you do not have the intelligence or the education to decipher what a man says , the man is an elitist and or must have said something demeaning ? Sheesh !God help us !

Posted by: Kooms | April 12, 2008, 1:11 am 1:11 am

hmm..he says in reference to American small towns: they “cling to guns or religion”, have “antipathy to people who aren’t like them”, have “anti-immigrant sentiment” and “anti-trade sentiment”
Sorry folks but that if you aren’t aware this is Exactly the way it is in many small towns. I came from one, live in one now and know many people that live in them and have these views. Nothing wrong with it just the way it is.
Sometimes the truth isn’t pretty when reflected and can be a bit “bitter” to swallow.

Posted by: small town USA | April 12, 2008, 1:21 am 1:21 am

The thing everyone, including myself, is upset about isn’t him saying that people are bitter, I’m sure alot are. I’m offended at the total disregard for religion as something they’re clinging to. Could it be that people have genuine faith that has nothing to do with their economic status? Obama is totally blind. How could he believe this? Their negative opinions about America’s lax immigration policies means that they hold all immigrants in contempt. Totally ridiculous! Typical excuse for legitimate views that people hold that are contradicting to his agenda. Good point Obama. Let’s just disregard their opinions as bigotry and be done with it. What a shmuck.

Posted by: Valentino | April 12, 2008, 1:32 am 1:32 am

This isn’t about Obama’s political views. I have no agenda towards or against him. His unbridled ignorance in these latest comments is very troubling. The more I learn about him, and listen to what he says, the more my respect and trust for him lessens; as a politician and a person.

Posted by: Valentino | April 12, 2008, 1:39 am 1:39 am

I’d say that based on everything that I’ve seen from the church that he attends every Sunday the people he associates himself with are much more bitter than people from small-towns. He’s belittling the beliefs of the people who just so happen to be those that keep this country going. There’s more proof of bigotry in his own church than that of his deranged opinion of middle America.

Posted by: Martini | April 12, 2008, 1:51 am 1:51 am

The problem isn’t what he said, it’s who he said it to…a bunch of snobs in S.F., talking about small rural American towns. He was showing off for his stuck-up friends. I’ve never disliked a candidate as much as I dislike him (not even Bush) and that’s pretty sad! If Hillary doesn’t get the nomination, I’ll vote for McCain or I won’t vote…

Posted by: cindy | April 12, 2008, 1:59 am 1:59 am

Obama is…upsss…out of touch

Posted by: Hazel Diane Rasheeda Moore | April 12, 2008, 2:06 am 2:06 am

So the Clintons, who felt they could bamboozle Tuzla by our ignant lil haids and obviously insulted our intelligence, decide to miss the point of Obama’s comment and use a couple words. But the people don’t have short attention spans in this election, and are checking out the whole quote and its meaning. Penna is not doing as well as Rendell would have us believe. And the Clintons, with the anti-Trade, anti-Union COLUMBIA deal, do not want to help the people Obama is addressing. McCain doesn’t even understand their economy.
We need a president who sees us and not their 100million dollar friends. That person is Obama. We’re already paying too much for Bill Clinton’s pension as it is, while too many people have NONE at all.

Posted by: kravitz | April 12, 2008, 2:31 am 2:31 am

I’m a concerned Canadian. It is so depressing to watch the democratic party rip itself apart at the same time as your current president is getting away with illegar war, torture, basic human rights violations, economic devastation,etc. etc. Your planes are being grounded for Pete’s sake, because of the corruption of your ‘regulatory’ systems. And the thing that gets you all worked up is that Obama dared to talk about middle and working class bitterness. From here, it is so obvious that Obama is right: you will all be manipulated again by ‘gotcha’ and dirty politics around non-issues, rather than vote in your own interests, and the interests of your children’s future. It’s a tragedy, or farce, but it really isn’t funny.

Posted by: Lola | April 12, 2008, 3:47 am 3:47 am

So he is saying he’s losing Pennsylvania because the folks in small towns are gun totin’, bible thumpin’ xenophobic hillbillies?
What stupid and pathetic things for him to say. He’s saying he’s
losing Pennsylvania because of hillbillies?
Well, look out Mr. Obama. Wait till you get to West Virginia and
Kentucky!

Posted by: Moochie | April 12, 2008, 3:57 am 3:57 am

remember how the communists referred to religion as the “opiate of the masses” – looks like obama thinks the same thing.

Posted by: so saddened | April 12, 2008, 4:09 am 4:09 am

While Obama probably didn’t mean to be condescending, that’s exactly how he came off. Religion and values are very personal beliefs, and Obama is trivializing that by saying that those beliefs are based on bitterness over job loss. As if giving them jobs would allow them to discard their religion.
THAT is the problem, and it’s a big one. It reveals not only Obama’s views on PA people, but on religious people.

Posted by: Evie | April 12, 2008, 5:24 am 5:24 am

Lets read into the Racist Obama comments a little further if you read between the lines in his small town comments he also means “The Typical White Person” make no mistake but he should realize that a majority folks of all races in big and small communities are proud of their religous beliefs,cherish the 2nd admendment, are sick and tired of their country being over ran by illegal aliens ,sick and tired of all their good paying jobs being destroyed and shipped out by free trade that favors cheap third world countries labor force

Posted by: Greg H | April 12, 2008, 6:50 am 6:50 am

He is right white people don’t care about anything but their church and their guns.

Posted by: Power | April 12, 2008, 7:47 am 7:47 am

So let me get this straight.
Obama says that us working class folks can’t get anything done in Washington to help us out on our lack of work, lack of health care, and our inability to hold politicians responsible for the promises of the big “rust-belt turnaround” we get every single election. So we turn our focus and fight tooth and nail for the things that matter morally to us and that we feel we have a say in, like gun control and gay marriage and religion, etc. We stick to what we know–our values, our freedoms, and our fundamental beliefs. Meanwhile the jobs don’t come back. In fact more and more go away.
So my question is: What is wrong with what he’s saying? How is this insulting? And WHERE is all this outrage coming from? People are using these statements as the final, conclusive evidence proving that Obama is everything from out of touch with the working class to a communist to a racist to a muslim! What is wrong with you people? Is it “elitist” to tell the truth all of the sudden? This guy comes from NOTHING. If you think he doesn’t understand the working class you’re not paying attention. It takes somebody who’s been there to say the things he’s said, and it takes an idiot to keep listening to the same crap we’ve been fed for 16 years.
Once. Just once I wish my fellow “hillbillys” (yet another thing he didn’t call us) would act with their heads instead of the chips on their shoulders and realize it when somebody is trying to help give them back a little bit of class and power. But no. We’d rather listen to some 2 bit politician tell us more war stories that didn’t happen, tell us how great everything’s going to be because we’re such proud, wonderful, hard working people, and let’s just trust the nice lady (ignore that NAFTA stuff, she didn’t really mean it–and while you’re at it, ignore all that Colombia and lobbyist stuff too). God forbid we’d ever be able to take the truth–we’d rather get uppity about someone calling us “bitter”, and get bent out of shape because we think someone thinks we’re ignorant. He never said anything about “ignorant”, nor did he imply it. He called it for what it is: People with little control over their source of income and future holding on tightly to fundamental things that they feel they can control.
Tell you what. I’m BEYOND bitter. I’m mad as hell, and I’m voting for this guy because he knows it. Vote how you want, but enough of this “I’m so offended” crap. I’m sick of the political games being played with my future and my job, and I’m sick of being LIED TO! I’d rather have somebody chafe me a little bit, but tell the truth.

Posted by: derek | April 12, 2008, 7:58 am 7:58 am

Interesting. One, it appears most of these posters here are commenting on the political opinion piece and not Senator Obama’s words — in context. Two, isn’t anyone else amazed by how Hillary and McCain are seemingly in bed together? Could it be: McCain/Hillary 2008!

Posted by: Randy in Dallas | April 12, 2008, 8:17 am 8:17 am

Listen my adopted grandparents who owned a dairy farm in Pennsylvania accepted me as if I was one of their blood children. When Franklin was on the verge of dying Doris asked me to come “home” and see him . The one thing he always wanted was to see his “grandbabies”. All their foster kids, their five children and I returned to see him.
I met them 30 years ago and continued that relationship until even Doris passed away. She passed away in 1990. She taught me so much that summer when I stayed with them. They were my Uncle Ward’s best friends. Since he lived in the men’s hotel in the town of Hallstead I stayed with Doris and Franklin.
We lived in a small town in Georgia. Our son was able to take care of himself by the time I went back to work full time. We had a family move in across the street from us. Their son however was a convicted felon from Florida. Our son at times could be impressionable. He shoplifted in the town store at the insistence of this boy. The owner told us what happened which the owner thought was strange because Justin always walking around money. Justin was made to apologize to the owner. When our daughter who lived with her dad in OK came home to visit, some of the new people in town had not met her. While her and my husband were walking through town people walked up to her and said I know who your mother is.
My husband and I were moving to Kansas with our son for a new job. We were just coming into a small town in Georgia near the border of Alabama. I needed to eat since I have diabetes.The only restaurant in town was just about to close up when they opened their doors to us.They fed the three of us.
Those are my memories of small town America. Friendly, giving, warm people. Accepting of newcomers and giving their all.
Obama insulted me and my blue collar husband and kids. He insulted us on our gun ownership. I could never vote for this elitist, condescending arrogant man. I am that typical white, blue collar woman that grew up in small town America.

Posted by: navyvet48 | April 12, 2008, 8:26 am 8:26 am

Which candidate has been most anti-trade in trying to get votes? Barack Obama. Which candidate keeps saying “I pray to Jesus” and uses religion to distract and deflect? Barack Obama. Obama mocked the small town religion, guns, their closeness that recognizes strangers and a desire to protect their own.
Does Obama want small town America to be Chicago? Where parents have to escort children to school because of racial gun violence? Where government corruption is an everyday practice? Where guns, gangs, crime, teen pregnancies is much more prevalent? Obama wants small town America to emulate Cabrini-Green?

Posted by: Karen | April 12, 2008, 8:29 am 8:29 am

I think Political Punch is just clueless and just plain mean sometimes.
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I read the whole exerpt and I understood it in its full context. This does not appear to be condescending language. When you lose your job, are you bitter?
When you lose your home to foreclosure are you bitter? When you see skyrocketing prices at the gas station aand grocery store, are you bitter?
When you hear about another US casuaty in IRAQ, are you bitter? When you see a government bailout of Bear Stearns and you are struggling to keep your home, are you bitter?
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This is not just small town America; this is also big city America. I am in the clinging on to religion group and I am NOT ashame of it either.
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I am just disgusted by the media that take two sentences out of context and just run with it. You would think he claimed it was the end of the world!
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I don’t support one candidate over the other. But this pouncing on 30 second blurbs by any of the candidates has gotten absurd and out of hand.
PS. A millionaire can not understand the bitterness I see everyday.

Posted by: Louis_Missouri | April 12, 2008, 8:58 am 8:58 am

Apparently words Do matter now according to Hillary. Interesting.

Posted by: Michael | April 12, 2008, 9:08 am 9:08 am

Of course CNN would blame Hillary first and then McCain. Somehow, these two are always at fault whenever Obama missteps. I have totally stopped watching The Obama Channel (MSNBC) and can only tolerate small increments of CNN who aren’t quite so blatent, yet still obviously pro-Obama. The media has picked the “Chosen One” and are doing everything to make him look perfect and shove him down our throats. It will backfire, like Obama and his “small town” remarks, it will be the same with the media’s tactics, no one likes to be talked down to, no one likes to be a puppet (except Obama). Has anyone figured out who really is pulling his strings?

Posted by: Jon | April 12, 2008, 9:15 am 9:15 am

Also, when are any of you going to turn the page on the Rev Wright story? I guess this was so traumatic. All I heard were two 30 second blurbs. So where are the rest of his racist and and anti-american comments out of the 30 years of preaching. Is that all anyone can find? People go to a particular church for other reasons than the minister.
Obama is racist against whom? His mother?
Bosnia: Turn the page on this one too.
She has explained herself. And the story could be true, she may have mixed it up with another situation. Stop calling her a liar.
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I am just sick of this going back and forth..He is a racist, she’s a liar. I am voting for McCain if Hillary is nominee or I am voting for McCain if Obama is the nominee. The Democrats are imploding before our very eyes. The Democratic party has TWO great candidates.
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You are sounding like spoiled children.
Get a grip.

Posted by: Louis_Missouri | April 12, 2008, 9:23 am 9:23 am

Damn right I am BITTER! I am working my butt off and making less than last year. I got my IRA in the mail yesterday and it’s on the way downhill. Our health insurance is out the roof and I just filled my tank and bought groceries and my pocketbook is empty.
But my problems are nothing in comparison to others; one of my friends lost her cousin to Iraq and 2 of my clients have just lost their jobs and they are older folks that aren’t highly employable.
Am I bitter? Maybe frustrated and angry are better words for what I feel. And I tell you, I come from a small town with a lot of houses sitting on the market and a lot of people here are on a slow burn.
So, go hide your heads in the sand and say all is well in America. We need some help and fast and I will vote for the man who tells it like it is. Time for all of us to grow up and bite the bullet. OBAMA 08
Robin 47 yr old, middle class, small town typical white woman, who does not drink lattes or wear Birkenstocks.

Posted by: robinann | April 12, 2008, 9:23 am 9:23 am

Cabrini-Green is an architectural insult.
“Condemnation” seems to be the game that political consultants love to play at this moment.
Is Ralph running?

Posted by: Cabrini Green | April 12, 2008, 9:47 am 9:47 am

It is not the bitter part in Obamas statement that is disturbing.
The clinging to guns and religion that implies that the PA people are using it as crutches.Then to go as far as stating that they don’t accept anybody that is not like them.
Don’t go placing these people in a bubble and generalize the behavior of all the residents there.
The ” Uniter” once again proves himself to be a divider.

Posted by: Elle | April 12, 2008, 11:25 am 11:25 am

I live in Pittsburgh and Mr. Obama’s remarks were right on the money. Its something that should of been said a long time ago. Whats sad is that most of the Pennsylvania officials that have endorsed Hillary Clinton are some of the same politicians that have failed the citizens of Pennsylvania in their quest to have a better life. Yes we are bitter and angry.

Posted by: William | April 12, 2008, 11:26 am 11:26 am

First, the majority of Pennsylvanians—and citizens throughout the country as well—have NO problem with immigrants, it is the ILLEGALS that they have a problem with. So, Obama is INTENTIONALLY blurring the issue—in favor of illegals, over US citizens/tax payers.
Second, Obama says that their anti-trade sentiments are the result of frustration. Hmmmmmm….hasn’t Obama been campaigning on anti-trade and keeping more jobs/companies in the US??? So, he is manipulating his speeches/words to match the groups of people he will be speaking with on any particular day. The words are different, depending on who he will be talking to!!!
Then, he says that religious people are actually religious cultists—using their religion and gun toting as an excuse/crutch, instead of helping themselves!!

Posted by: Bren | April 12, 2008, 11:39 am 11:39 am

This must be the joke of the day where the republicans claim someone else is out of touch with America. They support the war in Iraq when a vast majority of Americans are opposed to the war, they support more tax cuts to the wealthy when a vast majority of Americans are opposed to more tax cuts to the wealth, etc. etc.

Posted by: The Unshrub | April 12, 2008, 11:52 am 11:52 am

One of the reasons that Pennsylvania has remained a place to grow up and leave is because so many citizens continue to vote with their eyes and not vote with their brains. Many union members when told that the reason they could not get ahead was because of the people on welfare etc. ran to vote Ronald Regan which resulted in many lost jobs,homes,families and the exit of citizens from the state which still goes on today. These people were bitter and their failure to realize what the real problem was made them their own worst enemy. The state of Pennsylvania has suffered every since because of this type of misplace blame. And I cannot lie there are many Pennsylvanians who refuse to vote for people who do not look like them. This I blame on the old Democratic Party of Pa.which hasn’t done much to educate its base. So the state and its citizens have suffered with no jobs,low wages and a host of other problems that come when one would rather be in charge and poor than to be inclusive and prosper as a state.

Posted by: William | April 12, 2008, 11:53 am 11:53 am

It is interesting, most of those upset with Obama are not the one’s who have lost their job but are only looking for another way to condemn Obama.

Posted by: The Unshrub | April 12, 2008, 12:01 pm 12:01 pm

I am not Freud or mental health expert but Obama’s behavior suggests he is a very angry and impulsive man! Please notice that every time he is up in the polls his arrogance will show up (look for the timing on his comments on Hillary look, refusal to shake her hands on Speaker’s day, refusal to dismiss Wright and similar friends, and now the dismissal of rural poor). I don’t know whether it is Napoleonic complex, alpha male behavior or what, but this gentleman’s reasoning is highly flawed and has a temperament unsuitable for the presidency of United States of America. Is there a Nixonian problem here? I suspect he and wife were either humiliated or felt extremely humiliated when attending Ivy League Colleges. As a result, his subsequent conversion to Black church, etc was also a way to deal with some of the perceived racism. Note also that Obama has an urge to demonstrate he is very smart, that he deserved to go to the colleges, not by his race. In fact, he thinks himself as a Professor at U. of Chicago! I am afraid to say that anyone can make a case Obama is a complete basket case, with potentially worse results than GW Bush.

Posted by: cwu | April 12, 2008, 12:14 pm 12:14 pm

The comments made by Obama illustrate the true man. Take the time to read “Dreams of my father” by him and “Audacity of Hope” to name a few, then you might not be so blind to the charms of someone who delivers a great speech. Obama writes BEFORE HE EVER BECAME A CANDIDATE “if the political winds turn, I will stand with the muslims!! Quote and unquote. He has written many phrases such as ” I find a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance & animosity against my mother’s race”.Scary!! Isn’t his mother white?Do you really think he doesn’t have that attitude anymore? Yet he gets in front of the world and talks about crossing over the bridge. And last but not least, let’s really settle the issue by his own words about pastor Wright in his books BEFORE the candidate race “What I value most about Pastor wright is not his day-to-day political advice. He makes sure that I speak truthfully about what I believe and is my mentor.In other words, his beliefs are the same as the man who calls himself a man of God. Which God?
The more one reads his books the more one can see the prejudice he harbors but
hides so well.For those who think this is a man of change who is full of love for all Americans, YOU ARE BLIND. STUDY HIS BACKGROUND. THEN STUDY CLINTON’S BACKGROUND. AT LEAST, THERE ARE NO INFLAMMATORY AND RACIST REMARKS FROM HER SIDE before they were candidates. . And Hillary and McCain are right, give me one source of research that can prove how much Obama did for his “race’ while he was a senator.I haven’t found it yet. And now his groups are flooding the African Americans computers with emails that pressure them into voting for Obama or being a traitor to their race. I thought this was a country of Americans, not blacks, whites, hispanics, jewish, or whatever group wants to control and have power over the rest of us. Please spend some time researching these candidates backgrounds before you vote. Don’t let the pundits of the news media do your thinking for you.

Posted by: Elizabeth Craig | April 12, 2008, 12:27 pm 12:27 pm

There is a venue where the truth IN Obama’s statement would be better recognized. A stump speach is not that venue. I would think that Obama would recognize that. He absolutely doesn’t understand why there are so many people who believe in Hillary Clinton. I am not going to try to explain it to him. I had a lot more respect for Mr Obama before he used the term “They” to describe a large group of diverse people. As a president of a very large democracy, Mr. Obama would have to understand the valid concerns of “Them”. He would have to understand that “They” have the same rights to their opinions, even if he considers them un-enlightened.

Posted by: Gretchen G | April 12, 2008, 12:44 pm 12:44 pm

There is a venue where the truth IN Obama’s statement would be better recognized. A stump speach is not that venue. I would think that Obama would recognize that. He absolutely doesn’t understand why there are so many people who believe in Hillary Clinton. I am not going to try to explain it to him. I had a lot more respect for Mr Obama before he used the term “They” to describe a large group of diverse people. As a president of a very large democracy, Mr. Obama would have to understand the valid concerns of “Them”. He would have to understand that “They” have the same rights to their opinions, even if he considers them un-enlightened.

Posted by: Gretchen G | April 12, 2008, 12:44 pm 12:44 pm

So we have yet another Obama “Freudian Slip” When are we going to learn the lessons of history. Barack Obama is a VERY DANGEROUS MAN whose main talent is to sense and say exactly what people want to hear while hiding his true feelings. Well… almost hide, hence all his clearly far left leaning “Fruedian Slips”

Posted by: podtrek | April 12, 2008, 1:37 pm 1:37 pm

“This video is exactly how Obama should have raised the issue: In the environment these voters live and with an appropriate anger. Rural working class voters have gotten the shaft. They have every right to be frustrated and even bitter about what’s happened to them.
Obama now finds himself having to address the issue defensively, Unfortunately, the issue will now likely be obscured by the hysterical anti-Obama rants by the Clintons and McCains. Obama gave them that gift when he spoke in San Francisco last weekend.”

Posted by: Jay McDonough | April 12, 2008, 1:49 pm 1:49 pm

Why was this a gaffe? What he said was a honest criticism, NOT of working class Americans, but of the major political parties. Only if you take the last part of the statement and remove from the first do you even get close to something that might turn off some voters. Actually he sounds a bit like Edwards when he says people a fed up and angry.
The truth is Obama’s statements are being spun by Clinton and McCain because they show he is more in touch with ordinary peoples lives than they are. It was Bush then Clinton then Bush that handed more and more power to big business. McCain and HRC voted for and supported those policies. Never were policies like deregulation or NAFTA written is a way that benefited Wall ST. and Main St. equally.
So of course people are pissed. And why would working people vote their economic interests? Bill Clinton exploited the feeling or poor, working class and black people and then once in power served Walmart’s interests over theirs. So yeah Obama is right people turn to other things, things close to them.
Why is that a gaffe? He didn’t make a gaffe, McCain and Clinton are doing spin!
Clinton needs to run her own campaign and stop hurting the other DEM. If she’s the best choice show us. Only reason Obama isn’t being praised as insightful for this comment is because he is fighting a two front war. And if anyone wonders if he’s politically tough enough…he’s fighting both McCain and Clinton and holding his own.

Posted by: Soy Boy | April 12, 2008, 1:57 pm 1:57 pm

Between the Rev. Wright controversy and the typical white person comment, and the bitter middle class– I humbly cannot perceive Obama as President. A President must uplift their country and the citizens and NOT tear them down. Obama has now lost any chance at getting my vote.

Posted by: Lost Votes | April 12, 2008, 2:07 pm 2:07 pm

Obama has run on the “Audacity of Hope” for the primary season.
It seems he is settling on the “Audacity of Despair” for the general election.

Posted by: AD | April 12, 2008, 3:31 pm 3:31 pm

How can Hillary give her endless parade of small-town America anecdotes about families work, pensions, or homes and then think people aren’t angry about their situations? Of course they are, that’s the whole point! And when Obama brings up the wedge issues that divide people – guns and gay marriage – and says these things distract us from realities like the economy, he’s being elitist and it will be his downfall?
McCain and Clinton live in a dreamland if they don’t think people are angry and are tired of distractions. Obama will ride their finger-in-the-wind politicking all the way to January.

Posted by: Jason | April 12, 2008, 3:42 pm 3:42 pm

Arrogance, elitism, superiority, and classicism itself is the driving force of our religious institutions, economy, and culture. Imagine an America where everyone was well off. Well, your not thinking of America. You are not even thinking of some place on earth. It is foolish to believe that the president of the United States can make us all well off. The best they can do is make us all better off. Obama is right. He slipped up but spoke the truth. Many Americans transfer the reality of their problems and life in general into a small mindful of views, issues, beliefs, and actions. It is mental laziness and generational selfishness on their behave. So their lives are suffocated with fake problems, pathetic solutions, weak logic, poor facts, and great illusions. The only way he can appeal to the them is through grand rhetoric. They call actual problems conspiracy theories or matters of opinion, real solutions time consuming and confusing fancy language, and reality a negative and condescending outlook on life. Have it every occur to them that maybe a good education and/or ready open mind is necessary to face what they don’t understand? McCain is from the old school of exercising good common sense and calling it clever and insightful. Hillary fully understands this as well but is rightfully so running a campaign and should capitalize on the stupid American public. The key in all of this is that America doesn’t want to be stupid anymore so they are making a statement with Clinton and Obama. Although the America public has made some strides they will not entirely come out of being stupid anytime soon, nevertheless small town America has to at least start living in the new millennium. Just as a chain is only has strong as its weakest link so are we. We are entirely engaged in a world economic, cultural, and political scene that is rapidly consuming us.

Posted by: Vic G. | April 12, 2008, 4:09 pm 4:09 pm

And here we are again full circle, with the spin and the lies.
All of you are quite aware that whate he said was factually true and you all know it. He was not confining anyone to their bitterness, he was just bringing it into the conversation becaus ehe means to address ti in a positive way.
And that EITHER Hillary Clinton or John McCain are calling him elitist or out of touch is just more examples of how they [and by extention some of you] are elitist and out of touch. Just more of the pot calling the kettle black.
That’s bologna and oyu know it. john McCain once stood in front of a bunch of AFL-CIO Union leaders and offered them $50 p/hr, and then told them they wouldn’t take it because, in essence, they were just lazy and privileged, and couldn’t do the jobs that Illegals, in his mind I guess, could do better. John McCain is in no great rush to get out of Iraq, qhile at the same time, he claims, he detests war, and still thinks the war in Iraq is somehow justified. Hillary Clinton as well tells nifty lil anecdotes about how she went to her prom after-party, and how she can relate, and how she is going to break the glass ceiling of “the boys club” as if Congress is just a bad rerun of a lil rascals episode, and as if all men are the same, and all men are ruining the world, and no girls allowed. Riiiight. Like she’s got room to talk.
Senator Obama didn’t say anything we weren’t already thinking. He was just the one to think of it before they were, and they can’t have him being intelligent when they’re trying to paint him as just lucky to be black.

Posted by: James in Idaho | April 12, 2008, 8:42 pm 8:42 pm

Those who lose everything seek comfort in the familiar. If you are not angry and bitter regarding the following information then your lying to yourself.
Hershey Foods Corp. (NYSE: HSY) will shut down its Reading plant, which
makes York Peppermint Patties and 5th Avenue bars. Production will be moved
to Monterrey, Mexico, by year end. The company has already shut down five
plants and plans to cut 1,500 more U.S. jobs in the next three years.
“These so-called trade deals are killing American jobs,” Hoffa said.
“They aren’t about trade, they’re about helping companies move their
factories to countries with cheaper labor.
“The last thing American workers need is a trade deal with Colombia,
one of the most anti-union countries in the world,” Hoffa said.
Pennsylvania has been especially hard hit by foreign trade. More than
44,000 jobs were lost due to NAFTA since it took effect in 1994. Another
78,000 Pennsylvania jobs were lost to China since 2001.
“Sen. Barack Obama’s proposal to give tax breaks to companies that stay
in America and treat their workers well is one reason he’s the most
qualified person to be president of the United States,” Hoffa said.

Posted by: J. Taylor | April 12, 2008, 9:56 pm 9:56 pm

Obama supporters are all angry, bitter and extreme individuals. I’m glad Clinton will win the nominee and the Presidency.

Posted by: OnNoSheDidhnt | April 12, 2008, 11:43 pm 11:43 pm

“All of you are quite aware that whate he said was factually true and you all know it. He was not confining anyone to their bitterness, he was just bringing it into the conversation becaus ehe means to address ti in a positive way.”
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Anyone who thinks this is as ignorant as Obama is. No, small-town people do not “cling” to religion and guns because of economic worries. Religion and guns are PART OF THEIR LIVES.
In this speech, Obama was revealing his Marxist roots, reducing everything to economics and treating religion as the “opiate of the masses.”

Posted by: Bill | April 13, 2008, 12:26 am 12:26 am

Barack’s consistant message has been that Middle Class, and working class America have been left behind. His consistant message has been that Washington has turned its back on small town America. His consistant message has been that he wants to keep jobs here and improve our economy. I want a damn job! I want affordable healthcare! I want to be able to put my kids through college and I want them to have better than I had, and the way things are going, they aren’t getting better. They are getting worse. I live in a small town in Idaho, and you can bet your blue suede shoes that I’m bitter. I’m bitter because I can’t afford to put food on the table and have to go through the humiliating process of going to the food bank and getting food stamps. I am bitter and I’m worried, and I’m concerned.
I know that HRC could care less about me. I know that she has her million oh nine and they will never know what its like to struggle. Hillary has leaped upon some perceived remark and tagged it elitist? Obama elitist? That’s the funniest damn piece of fantasy I’ve heard come out of her mouth, and she can sure tell a whopper! Fish tales and lies. They *The media* characterized Clinton’s Bosnia tale as a misspeak. They characterize Obama’s misspeak, or rather poor choice of words as Elitist? What’s next? Characterizing all Obama supporters as stupid? I aint stupid. I can tell when someone’s drowning in their own stupidity and trying like hell to change the subject. Hillary Clinton is employing the Scorched Earth Policy. If she can’t win no democrat can win. Its pathetic and I for one am NOT going to fall for her hijinks.

Posted by: Auntydi | April 13, 2008, 5:01 am 5:01 am

Lets get real here for a minute!! Do you people deep down inside really believe that Hillary or John McCain will really make this country better? I served in the U.S. Army. McCain served his country and I applaud him for that. But this does not make me ready to be President of the United States. This war has been a “strategic blunder” from the beginning and John McCain is going to continue to make it blunder. The REAL reason that you people in Ohio and Pennsylvania lost your jobs is because of NAFTA. Hillary’s husband helped to bring this into existence.
The news media is keeping Americans who have been affected by this and other IMPORTANT issues on an emotional roller coaster with the Rev. Wright crap, Obama’s wife Michelle, and now these comments. You people had better wake up and realize you are being FOOLISH if you keep paying attention to this crap that has nothing to do with your current situation. Keep running off of your emotions and making emotional decisions instead of intelligent ones, and you are going to be in the same position you are in now, which is regret.
People regret now voting for Bush and they are paying for it in SO MANY WAYS!!! If you vote for McCain because you won’t vote for Obama in the general election that is an emotional, dumb, stupid, idiotic decision. You better pay attention to the issues and what will be best for your family long term. McCain is certainly not your answer. But vote for him because you don’t like Obama and you deserve whatever you get. You better REALLY think about your decision. Make and intelligent vote and not an emotional vote. Emotions come and go but these issues you will have to live with.

Posted by: Dennis in Orlando, FL | April 13, 2008, 11:11 am 11:11 am

How dare you take down my genuine, honest and trau comments, and leave comments like Bill’s up. Well, now I know you’re a bunch of lying, disingenuous, conservative pricks, and you de3serve the candidate you’ve got.
Everything I said was factually true. Entirely relevant. and entirely against everything oyu believe in.

Posted by: James in Idaho | April 13, 2008, 5:23 pm 5:23 pm

While I feel that the economy is a issue that should be at the forefront of any politician’s remarks concerning their platform. It becomes apparent to me as an individual that the “elitism” is not in the fact that indiviuals are upset or seeking answers from their govenrmet. However it is in the fact that he can apply a broad spectrum to various issues that are complex in their own right;such as gun legislation, illegal imigration, and health care. And imply that these issues are secondary to economical policy. People vote for many issues on the basis of their belief system regardless of the economic situation of the nation. To clarify this statement, a liberal or a conservative will vote for their platforms/policies irrespective of economic downturn or upswing in our country’s economy. I therefore do believe the comment was ellitist, not toward “Small Town Americans”, but rather toward all Americans. Because it doesn’t ridicule just one issue but categorizes the level of complexity that exists for many issues.

Posted by: Kyle H | April 13, 2008, 8:18 pm 8:18 pm

I am from a small town that has suffered ups and downs with its economy based solely on the oil field, and, although I am not from Pennsylvania, I am very offended by these remarks from Obama. Our town would have many he considers to “cling” to faith. I don’t know anyone who does so because they lost their job. If anything, it would be the other way around. A good many people here own guns. In a rural area, you need them. We get rabid coyotes, foxes, skunks, etc. Nobody here said they started liking guns when the bottom fell out of the oil field ten, twenty, and thirty years ago. And some people here hold on to prejudices. Agriculture and industry around here would not function without many of our friends from south of the border. The prejudices I see are slowly dying as these immigrants have made good lives for themselves and their families here and are contributing to the community.
My point is that when Obama speaks against small town Pennsylvania, he speaks about all of us. How can Obama hope to help the people he doesn’t understand? How can any elitist liberals, although well intentioned, help people they look down on? If someone needs food and you give them a car, you are not really helping them.

Posted by: Looly | April 13, 2008, 8:41 pm 8:41 pm

Obama is right when he states the frustration and bitterness that middle class experience. Why, there is no middle anymore. Either you are like the Clintons or McCain, who find ways of using people to make money-We have more crime not only from lower class people-we are trying to survive a breakdown of middle class-Our Interfaith organization in our local community is hurting. We have more and more people in need of food and they can not keep up with the demand. How can I value Clinton’s 109 million dollar statement or McCains’s Marrying into money statement. I bet Hillary and McCain have never experienced putting their heat off to safe money, splitting up a pound of hamburger and strechting it out for a week. Not going to the doctor because it cuts into the budget of feeding the kids or putting gas in the car. They have no room to speak about Obama being elitist-At least Obama was in the throes of working with humanity WAY before his political career. I see a man of Grace, whereas I see McCain and Hillary as great actors. Maybe they should go to Hollywood and pursue their acting careers!

Posted by: Sophia Beck | April 14, 2008, 12:56 pm 12:56 pm

To put it in a nutshell, I fell that Obama is a TOTALLY inexperienced windbag that is totally out of touch with reallity and the COMMON working class people who are the ENTIRE BACKBONE of the United States of America. His talk is CHEAP with no real plan!

Posted by: Tim | April 14, 2008, 4:19 pm 4:19 pm

Obama should have chosen Clinton if it’s really for the good of America, both of them would have given up their differences and tried to work out all the issues by employing Obama’s vision and Clinton’s experience. The fact that Obama chose Biden simply because this guys has the cleanest history and less problems for Republican’s attack shows how egoistic Obama is and what he’s really in for – to win the race, not for the good of America. Clinton is so much more brilliant and capable than Biden. What a poor choice on Obama’s part to choose Biden as a running mate. He just lost my vote for this election

Posted by: Moonriver | August 25, 2008, 9:33 pm 9:33 pm

Obama and his John F Kennedy pose… Take a good look! Investigate John F Kennedys background or his family members on civil rights for ALL Americans. Then take a look at Obamas background or his family in civil rights for ALL Americans. It is quite the contrary. Investigate the stance of pastor Jeremiah Wright, His church, Does this groups ideology relect the common needs of All Americans? Look at the actions and involvement of Obama with various groups (who were they? and what did they stand for?) Do the same with the Kennedys. Then evaluate. John F Kennedy didnt become concerned about All Americans when it was beneficial for him to do so… It was his lifestyle. No comparison!!!

Posted by: Hellen | October 8, 2008, 8:37 am 8:37 am

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