Apr 16, 2008 3:39pm
Mea Culpa
Sorry I haven’t had time to blog anything today, guys, been running around the Philadelphia area for a piece to air on World News with Charlie Gibson tonight.
What are you looking for out of the candidates tonight? Clinton supporters — what, if anything, could Obama say tonight that might make you think better of him? Obama supporters — same question about Clinton.
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I think they should surprise everyone and say tonight they have agreed to the Unity ticket and are running together.
They then could use the “debate” to draw the differences between their administration and a McCain admin.
Posted by: Kris | April 16, 2008, 3:42 pm 3:42 pm
im an obama supporter and i want hillary to show her softer side – i’m sure she has one somewhere!
Posted by: rachel | April 16, 2008, 3:42 pm 3:42 pm
I want to hear someone seriously ask Hillary about Mark Penn’s and Bill’s Free Trade ties and how she can effectively govern when her spouse is openly supporting policies “she says” she’s against.
Posted by: DJShay | April 16, 2008, 3:47 pm 3:47 pm
I want to see Mrs. Clinton finally admit she made up her “Tuzla” story. She needs to improve her honesty ratings.
Posted by: Sam | April 16, 2008, 3:50 pm 3:50 pm
There are reports on the net that George S. met w/ Hannity and Colmes for background on Obama and gave him questions to set Obama up with. Stuff about the Weather Underground…lets see if George uses it. They are trying to “RADICALIZE” Obama.
Posted by: Sam | April 16, 2008, 3:53 pm 3:53 pm
I want to ask ABC why they would would have George Stephanopoulos as a questioner for this most important debate (he being a former appointee of the clintons). Seems like a stark contrast of interest to me.
Posted by: Ed S | April 16, 2008, 3:53 pm 3:53 pm
I’m with you Kris, and I am hoping they have the discipline to put their egos aside and make it happen.
When I wake from the dream and realize that it won’t happen, I am hoping that Obama can admit that he is indeed a politician playing a politician’s game, and is not the god he is being protrayed to be. I also hope Hillary can admit the distortions she has made in regards to her experiences were made up, apologize for it and spellbind us all with her ideas. She and he would be the perfect Pres./Vice-Pres combo with her leading the team.
Posted by: Deb | April 16, 2008, 3:55 pm 3:55 pm
the only thing that obama could say that would improve his standing with me is something he will never do he would have to admit that his rise has been based in a significant part of the biased media that does nothing but praise him and cut hillary down. He should appologize to hillary and bill for falseley accusing them of racism
Posted by: joshua baradshaw | April 16, 2008, 3:56 pm 3:56 pm
George is a staunch Clinton supporter – I’m sure it’s a set up.
Luckily – it will be obvious to voters, as much of the rest of Hillary’s “strategy” has been.
Posted by: Lynne | April 16, 2008, 3:56 pm 3:56 pm
It’s be nice if someone would ask tender candidate Obama, all things to all people, where he comes off criticiziung Jimmy Carter for meeting with Hamas? And why Obama, who’s sometimes presented himself as pro-Palestinian, today assured the AP that he’s all for Israel.
Posted by: Belle Starr | April 16, 2008, 3:56 pm 3:56 pm
I want George S. to ask Hillary if she actually said the following about blue collar workers to her dear husband, back in 1995:
“Screw ‘em! You don’t owe them a thing, Bill. They’re doing nothing for you; you don’t have to do anything for them.”
According to Benjamin Barber, who wrote “The Truth of Power: Intellectual Affairs in the Clinton White House”, she did.
Plus, I’d love to see her reaction to her now famous dismission of stay home moms:
“I suppose I could have stayed home and baked cookies and had teas, but what I decided to do was fulfill my profession.”
Of which there’s a video clip.
Posted by: kingston | April 16, 2008, 3:56 pm 3:56 pm
“They are trying to “RADICALIZE” Obama.”
Good luck with THAT.
Posted by: Belle Starr | April 16, 2008, 3:59 pm 3:59 pm
Can we please stop placing the Democratic party on the hotseat, thereby highlighting a Republican ticket? We all need the Democratic nominee to move into 1600 on Jan 20th.
Posted by: Kelli | April 16, 2008, 4:00 pm 4:00 pm
Sen. Clinton can concede the race tonight. That would be acceptable. Of course, she will not. I expect that she will come out swinging, and like the boxing references she is prone to invoking, will end up knocking herself out.
Posted by: H. Aslan Aslani-Far | April 16, 2008, 4:01 pm 4:01 pm
I would like Obama to explain the money donated by the Oil Company’s and by the special interest groups like the Trail Lawyers. He says he doesn’t take money from the oil companies or from special interest groups. That’s another lie!
Then I would want to know his stand on guns, abortion, NAFTA and the war in Iraq. He has said so many things that I am not sure what is position really is concerning any of these. Then I would want to know why he hasn’t released all of his tax records. Of course, you have the Rev. Wright and Rezko issues. McCain and company will have a field day with Obama. I have not seen that he is a uniter, he will not agree to having Michigan and Florida votes recognizes. That’s bring the all of the county together. This is just a few things I would like to know about Obama.
Posted by: Vici | April 16, 2008, 4:02 pm 4:02 pm
I would like Obama to better expain his association with Nahdmi Auchi, as it was revealed by a witness in the Rezko trial that Obama did actually meet him, which differs from what he and his campaign have claimed.
I would like Hillary to explain her plan to create new manufacturing jobs for the U.S. defense industry.
I would like them both to be questioned about biofuels in light of the recent findings that production of them and the deforestation that occurs because of it may actually be increasing our carbon emissions. Along these same lines, I would like their thoughts on other alternative energy sources.
Oh and one other thing Jake – Go Big Green!
Posted by: RB | April 16, 2008, 4:02 pm 4:02 pm
Senator Clinton, are you comfortable with the fact that many of the million dollars on your bank account come from foreign governments who paid your husband to be a free trade lobbyist whose actions go against American national interests and promote the loss of jobs in small town America?
That, IMO, should the main question for Hillary.
Posted by: Margot | April 16, 2008, 4:03 pm 4:03 pm
You guys really think Hillary will answer any question Honestly??? For some reason I do not see that happening….. Save your breath!!!!
Posted by: Becky | April 16, 2008, 4:04 pm 4:04 pm
When is it all gonna end?
Posted by: Dann | April 16, 2008, 4:07 pm 4:07 pm
Hillary should be asked why she told her husband to “screw ‘em” meaning the “lunch pail democrats” during his administration. Sam Stein has the article up on the HuffPO and MSM has started carrying it.
Posted by: Carrie | April 16, 2008, 4:07 pm 4:07 pm
“I would like Obama to better expain his association with Nahdmi Auchi, as it was revealed by a witness in the Rezko trial that Obama did actually meet him, which differs from what he and his campaign have claimed.”
According to today’s Chicago Sun-Times, “Obama not only gave Rezko’s guest of honor, Iraqi billionaire Nadhmi Auchi, a big welcome . . . but he made a few toasts!”
Posted by: Edgar Cayce | April 16, 2008, 4:07 pm 4:07 pm
“the only thing that obama could say that would improve his standing with me is something he will never do he would have to admit that his rise has been based in a significant part of the biased media that does nothing but praise him and cut hillary down. He should appologize to hillary and bill for falseley accusing them of racism”
How can you anti-Obama people STILL say the media is pro-Obama after the last week? Seriously, you may have had a point before Bittergate, but on what planet have you been watching the news lately? It’s all been BNN, Bittergate News Network, on every channel.
The fact is, Clinton has a longer history to disect, and a husband who, love him or hate him, has a LOT of baggage and has given the media plenty of fodder himself. If she gives the media more material to work with, then they are gonna cover her more, period.
Seriously, the only two Obama items that have come up that didn’t turn out to be smoke and mirrors on further review have been Rev. Wright, and the “Bitter” thing, and they’ve been BEAT TO DEATH by the media.
That’s like OJ saying “Why do you always arrest me and not Leslie Nielsen. We were both in Naked Gun, there must be some legal system bias in favor of Leslie!!!”
Sheesh.
P.S. He’s never once accused Hillary or Bill of Racism. Not…One…Time. Look it up, it’s a fact.
Posted by: fontapa | April 16, 2008, 4:07 pm 4:07 pm
I would ask her why she didn’t fire Penn, but keep him involved in her campaign. I would also ask her why the 2007 tax records won’t be released for 3 years when they pertain to this year’s election (5 million loan to campaign). I would also ask why the Clinton library donor list has not been released, why do they hold offshore accounts in the Cayman Islands and about their financial dealings with China.
Posted by: Michael | April 16, 2008, 4:09 pm 4:09 pm
Obama: I am withdrawing from the race as of tonight.
Clinton: You can still be my wingman.
Posted by: LOM | April 16, 2008, 4:10 pm 4:10 pm
If Hillary is still trailing Obama in pledged delegates and the popular vote after the last primary, will she – as all DEM officials will ask her to do – bow out?
Plus, how do Hillary and Obama respond to their supporters who now say they’ll vote for McCAIN if the candidate of their choice doesn’t win the nomination?
Important question, I think; both HRC and BO do start to unite DEM voters in their response.
Posted by: Margot | April 16, 2008, 4:13 pm 4:13 pm
I don’t’ get those that are supporting Obama just dismiss his advisers talking to Canada about NAFTA and in England about the Iraq war, that what he says is not necessarily why he means. Then to sit and listen to Rev. Wright for 20 years and not have any affect on him. You also dismiss is misleading ads about the oil money and special interest groups. You are fooling yourself if you think he is better than any other politician. There is a lot of things about Obama that the news media doesn’t cover. But American can’t seem to figure it out, they elected Bush for 2 terms and now we will have another inexperience person in the White House. I wonder what the learning curve will be for him? That will be the excuse that will be given when he fails.
Posted by: Vici | April 16, 2008, 4:16 pm 4:16 pm
she could explain to me why she lies all of the time.
Posted by: white blue collar PA | April 16, 2008, 4:18 pm 4:18 pm
Jake,
Would you please look into the story about the Obama campaign talking with Hamas? If true, I think America needs to know about this ASAP!
“Following their conversation with Dr. Yousuf, at approximately the 8 minutes, 15 seconds mark, Batchelor and Klein discuss the possibility that someone speaking on behalf of the Obama campaign has already been in contact with a representative for Hamas. However, to date, that person has not been named.”
Also I want to know if John Gibson in the debate have a gut to ask Obama question about his lifelong cadre of friends, mentors, and associates who adhere to radical, even Marxist, ideology, William Ayres
THANKS!
Posted by: Cindy | April 16, 2008, 4:18 pm 4:18 pm
I would like to see Obama get some tough questions…According to him,”He’s a dam good politician.” So, he should be able to handle it. I don’t think Hillary or Obama will get tough questions and it will be another boring event…
Posted by: CD | April 16, 2008, 4:19 pm 4:19 pm
I look for Hillary to be a little
more aggressive than she has been
in the debates. I look for Obama
to make a fool of himself as usual.
Posted by: kathi | April 16, 2008, 4:19 pm 4:19 pm
It would be nice when George Stephanopoulos would remind Hillary of what she said to him in an interview on December 30, 2007:
“So, I’m in it for the long run, it’s not a very long run, it’ll be over by February 5th.”
Posted by: hank | April 16, 2008, 4:21 pm 4:21 pm
Obama should explain why he is not another politician with all the piggybacking on what he says and what he claims to be.
Posted by: mark | April 16, 2008, 4:21 pm 4:21 pm
I WOULD LIKE OBAMA TO GET THE “FIRST” QUESTIONS.
HE ALWAYS SAYS, “I AGREE WITH HILLARY.”
Posted by: PROUDAMERICAN | April 16, 2008, 4:21 pm 4:21 pm
I would like to see a question related to capital punishment asked. This week, the Louisiana courts will determine if a man should receive the death penalty for his crime of child rape.
Is this cruel and unusual punishment?
I would like to see the punishment for crimes against children expanded, especially those crimes committed by trusted family members.
Posted by: LOM | April 16, 2008, 4:22 pm 4:22 pm
I would like to see Obama asked the tough questions for a change, about his false NAFTA flier, about his demands that others be fired (Imus and Ferraro), while clinging to his pastor and make similar statements (his gaining advange by being black published in a Chicago Tribute article posted on Obama’s Senate site), about his inaccurate recent big oil ad/campaign contributions, about his big business campaign contributers, about his lie on meeting Auchi, about his association with Rezko, about his claiming credit for Dodd’s bill, and much more.
I also want to hear some details from from Sen. Obama, not just ruminations, some that he didn’t copy off Clinton’s paper. I want to know why I should think he can actually do the job rather than talk us up. Maybe they should throw him something out of left field that Clinton hasn’t already commented on.
I’m curious what both of them think of this Polygamy raid. I have a lot of concerns about violations of civil rights and tearing children away from from their innocent mothers. Though, Polygamist societies are nightmarish traps for women, who are breed and brainwashed for this, and trapped by circumstances and ignorance in this hellish situation. Nothing good can come from this for women, and young boys who aren’t favorites of the most powerful leaders are often banished from the society so that they won’t take the young girls for themselves. There’s nothing good about polygamy, and it’s illegal for a good reason, but I think Texas violated a lot of civil rights here, a lot. I’m not sure what the best course of action was to break this nest up, but I wonder if this was it.
Basically, I’d like to see him answer the really tough questions for a change, and answer them FIRST.
I have confidence that George and Charlie will be fair unbiased. It may be one of the first debates so a far that’s unbiased. I’m looking forward to it.
Posted by: Teri B. | April 16, 2008, 4:24 pm 4:24 pm
“Would you please look into the story about the Obama campaign talking with Hamas?”
And whether it isn’t a little schizophrenic, not to mention disrespectful, for Obama THEN to criticize former president Carter for his middle east meetings, as he did today to the AP while trolling for Jewish votes?
Posted by: Belle Starr | April 16, 2008, 4:25 pm 4:25 pm
Obama can’t say much that would change my opinion of his personality (and I suspect the same goes for those don’t like Clinton) BUT — I would like him to answer some questions going first, see what he knows about foreign policy, etc, rather than just agreeing with Clinton. Basically, it’s a stalemate. Both their platforms are the same, you like one personality and you hate the other — and so now it should all come down to competence and grasp of the issues. Undecided voters probably don’t much like either one, so the candidates need to impress us with what they know.
Posted by: Vnd | April 16, 2008, 4:25 pm 4:25 pm
1 – First Question Obama – Your Mentor and preacher spew Racist remarks that you even repeated in your book – Do you stand by those comments! And If you did not know your mentor had those views after 20 years, how can the American people be sure you will pick the best people for positions?
2 – Question to Hilary – why do you buckle and fire Penn and other loyal campaign people because they spoke the truth?
3 – Obama – As a State and Federal Senator you worked with Rezko on your campaigns knowing he was a Slum lord against blacks in Chicago why is that?
Why did you only return 1% of his donations?
4 – Obama – You have a friendly relationship with a admitted terrorist william aires, you spoke along side him why is that?
5 – Obama – Do you stand by your wifes College term paper
6 – Obama – Do you stand by what you wrote in your book?
7 – Obama / Clinton – Will you stop illegal Immigration by putting up a fence and more officers?
8 – Will you keep the tax cuts in place so people do not get their taxes raised?
9 – what is your view on Global 2000?
Posted by: spock | April 16, 2008, 4:26 pm 4:26 pm
Obama said in Indiana about his remark of “small town” that he used the wrong words, but in the meantime for him words is matter.
If a word matter for him why he doesn’t says thing carefully
Can you ask him this during the debate tonight.
Posted by: Cindy | April 16, 2008, 4:26 pm 4:26 pm
Why was Obama”s Memory loss pulled from the ABC News Headlines after appearing on-line? Because of the influence of the article revealing some truth before the debates tonight? Yes, it would be unfair to Obama followers know some truth. The article regarding the testimony of Stuart Levine under oath that Obama and his wife Michelle BOTH attended the April 2004 reception of the Iraqi billionaire Nadhmi Auchi at “Rezko”s house. Obama gave several toasts! How can he forget this meeting? Sorry I can’t buy memory loss! Attending a reception for a billionaire from Iraq is hardly forgettable
Posted by: Anne | April 16, 2008, 4:26 pm 4:26 pm
As a true skeptic, I want Obama to address several issues in which his record, his previous words or his actions don’t match his message. I’d like to hear more than just a gloss-over on:
1. What he considers to be the difference between taking large donations from corporate executives and company representatives (Goldman Sachs, Exelon, Big Pharma, etc) and taking money from lobbyists? How can he say he is outside the scope of influence when he is taking in such significant campaign donations from these groups. No spin please.
2. Give me details on his energy plan. It’s great to say your for clean energy, but how does this correlate to the pro-Nuclear legislation he drafted in the Senate and his comments in the Nevada debate about possibly moving forward with Yucca Mtn and his vote for the 2005 Energy Policy Act. And please, I don’t want to hear that it was good legislation – EPAct ’05 was a HUGE giveaway in terms of energy company subsidies at the taxpayers’ expense.
3. Finally, his rhetoric has encouraged “unity” and “non-divisive” politics. As a woman over 45 I was prepared to vote for him until his many supporters began to demean and attack Hillary Clinton and other woman, like me, simply for being woman. It may seem irrational, but it has put him in a poor light to me and many others like me. How is he going to win back my vote if he becomes the nominee – and please don’t patronize me but saying that as the child of a single parent, he understands me as a woman.
Posted by: hallihunt | April 16, 2008, 4:26 pm 4:26 pm
Rita – That’s too funny. Sadly true, but funny.
I still hope they run together in November.
Posted by: Kris | April 16, 2008, 4:26 pm 4:26 pm
Obama needs to explain Nadhmi Auchi, Rekzo and once and for all get off this I was a poor black boy of a single parent when he knows quiet well things were not bad.
Also exactly what plan he has with this Muslim summit he spoke about, and who and how is he going to go about meeting all these radicals in different parts of the world, what will be the bargaining chip he will use to get them to change their views.
Posted by: SJ | April 16, 2008, 4:27 pm 4:27 pm
Obama can say that he is gettin the HExx out and that will make me happy.
Posted by: JamesC | April 16, 2008, 4:27 pm 4:27 pm
Gotcha Question 1:
Senator Obama, who is the President of Mauritania?
And in the opposite of Tim Russert moderator methodology, a follow up question.
Gotcha Question 2:
Senator Clinton, who is the Prime Minister of Mauritania?
Posted by: LOM | April 16, 2008, 4:27 pm 4:27 pm
Not since Walt Frazier have New Yorkers seen such exquisite basketball skills. Now Barack Obama has taken center court and his basketball skills are legendary in the recreation centers of Chicago. The buzz is that his head fake is deceptive and his jump shot deadly. He is apparently attempting to transfer his head-fake skills to the American political arena — fake right, go left. The American electorate should not fall for it.
Three revelations over the past month have started to reveal a very different portrait of the junior senator than what Mr. Obama and his promoters have been painting during this campaign. These recent revelations could redefine the campaign, and put him on unsustainable footing.
Mr. Obama’s candidacy was unanticipated. He came from obscurity in 2004, and was sworn in as senator in 2005. He started running for president in 2006.
With that lack of anticipation came a lack of vetting.
Mr. Obama advertises himself as a unifying figure who shares the hopes and values of the vast majority of Americans. But three separate occasions in the past month are at odds with his rhetoric of getting past party, race, and division, and bringing Americans together around ideas that can unite us.
Last week I explored Mr. Obama’s tax-raising and government-expanding agenda. While millions take issue with that agenda, millions more react strongly to his recently revealed social views. His remarks about abortion and gun rights are particularly troublesome.
If one looks at Mr. Obama’s recent unscripted comments in Pennsylvania and his answers on a 1996 candidate questionnaire, a coherent picture begins to emerge.
The first issue is abortion. Mr. Obama opposes restricting partial-birth abortion, which ends a late-term or even full-term unborn baby. More than 75% of Americans support banning that practice. Back in 1996, he wrote on the questionnaire that he opposes the legal rights of parents of a minor child to be informed of their daughter having an abortion unless the daughter is 13 years old or younger. This is not about parents giving their consent, just notification.
Mr. Obama also opposes state laws requiring the parents of a 14-year old who is about to undergo an abortion to be informed that their daughter is about to have a surgical procedure that could render her permanently infertile or involve other lifelong complications. More than 80% of Americans believe parents have a right to know.
Several days ago, Mr. Obama commented in unscripted remarks to a Pennsylvania audience that when his daughters become teenagers, he does not want them to be “punished with a baby” if they make a mistake.
Punished with a baby? Is that any way to refer to the miracle of life, even under unfortunate circumstances?
In that same 1996 questionnaire Mr. Obama revealed that he supports an absolute ban on Americans owning handguns. Almost 75% of Americans believe that the Second Amendment secures a right to private citizens to own and possess firearms, and therefore understand that banning handguns is unconstitutional.
Also last week, Mr. Obama said he opposes laws that would permit law-abiding citizens who pass a background check and complete any required classes from having concealed-carry permits. Most Americans favor concealed carry, especially if permit applicants go through a statutory licensing scheme. Opposing such laws is hardly mainstream.
Mr. Obama’s extreme views on the Second Amendment and abortions, coupled with giving benefits and driver’s licenses to illegal immigrants, and his opposition to surveillance of terrorist phone calls overseas, start to form a coherent portrait of a political radical with a pleasant smile and easy manner. The candidate who has said that evangelical leaders who speak out on issues like religious liberty and same-sex marriage have “hijacked” Christianity has provided us with an ample supply of social and national security issues to vet.
When we add his positions on economic issues to this picture, his naïve foreign policy and willingness as president to meet with tyrants without preconditions, we get a sharper portrait of Mr. Obama. It is a disturbing pattern.
Voters are being sold a bill of goods. The more we discover about him, the more he goes from looking like a big-government, doctrinaire liberal, to being a radical on the fringe of the political spectrum.
That leads to the second newsworthy aspect of these revelations: the complete disconnect between who this man is and who he claims to be.
Part of the presidential selection process we have in America is that candidates go through a long, arduous process to make their case to the American people. It includes more than giving speeches and releasing policy papers. It’s a conversation over a period of time.
Through this process — a process that normally takes several years — the American people take their full measure of a candidate.
Americans are now taking their measure of Mr. Obama and defending against the head fake.
Mr. Blackwell is a columnist for The New York Sun.
Posted by: Mecksi | April 16, 2008, 4:28 pm 4:28 pm
I will be watching Ghost Hunters on Sci Fi, tonight. I’ve seen enough debates, I’ve already voted.. I am sick of it all… the yada yada. Besides, the fix it in, right?
Posted by: a reader in georgia | April 16, 2008, 4:28 pm 4:28 pm
I would like to know how Obama would reach across the aisle as McCain has proved he can do. Obama’s liberal record doesn’t seem to indicate he can make inroads with Republicans, as McCain has done with the Dems. He has no real record of true non-partisan negotiating–the only thing that can break the gridlock.
Posted by: KC | April 16, 2008, 4:28 pm 4:28 pm
Please ask Hillary if she thinks that she would be sitting here tonight on that very same chair if her husband wouldn’t have been Governor of Arkansas and President of the United States.
Posted by: horas | April 16, 2008, 4:28 pm 4:28 pm
“don’t’ get those that are supporting Obama just dismiss his advisers talking to Canada about NAFTA and in England about the Iraq war, that what he says is not necessarily why he means. Then to sit and listen to Rev. Wright for 20 years and not have any affect on him. You also dismiss is misleading ads about the oil money and special interest groups. You are fooling yourself if you think he is better than any other politician. There is a lot of things about Obama that the news media doesn’t cover. But American can’t seem to figure it out, they elected Bush for 2 terms and now we will have another inexperience person in the White House. I wonder what the learning curve will be for him? That will be the excuse that will be given when he fails.”
Point 1 – Canada/Nafta flap, according to the Canadian government, actually turned out that Obama’s advisor said nothing of the sort in his conversations, and the “wink-wink” was actually done by a Clinton contact. Also hard to swallow Clinton working to get NAFTA passed while secretly opposing it all along. Don’t have to “inhale” to see through that one.
Point 2 – Last I checked, Obama’s the only one running who wasn’t involved in starting this Iraq mess, and has opposed it from the word go. If he said it might take more than a couple months to get out, I’d say that’s better than making false promises about immediate withdrawal like Clinton when we all know that’s impossible.
Point 3 – He didn’t say that Wright had no effect on him. He learned about charity, and faith, and so on, but he didn’t agree with some of what the preacher had to say. Just ask the millions of Catholics who’ve weathered the sex abuse scandal, or the Mormons who endured racist “preisthood” rules until they were finally repealed, the hundreds of millions of peaceful Muslim folks who hold pacifist ideals sacred, I could go on… Moral – You don’t abandon your beleifs or your church just because you don’t agree with someone in it, or per Clinton’s approach, because it makes you look bad in the polls.
Point 4 – Obama has more in common with Ronald McDonald than he does with George Bush. There’s ZERO platform similarity, ZERO approach/problem solving similarity, ZERO supporter/inner circle similarity, and ZERO background/character similarity. By your rationale, anyone with less than 25 years in politics is doomed to be Bush part 2, right? Please…
Posted by: fontapa | April 16, 2008, 4:31 pm 4:31 pm
BARACK OBAMA HID HIS FATHER’S SOCIALIST AND ANTI-WESTERN CONVICTIONS FROM HIS READERS
Comment Please!
Posted by: Daa | April 16, 2008, 4:31 pm 4:31 pm
Obama — how, in fact, did you loose all records of your stint as an Illinois state senator? Aren’t they on a computer somewhere?
Posted by: Aston | April 16, 2008, 4:32 pm 4:32 pm
Daa “BARACK OBAMA HID HIS FATHER’S SOCIALIST AND ANTI-WESTERN CONVICTIONS FROM HIS READERS”
cut the crap, Daa, and instead read the article at Poltico. His father was making fun of Kenya’s socialist ambitions.
Posted by: horas | April 16, 2008, 4:34 pm 4:34 pm
“I would like to see Obama asked the tough questions for a change, about his false NAFTA flier”
You mean the one that pointed out the solidly proved, substantiated, unequivocal fact that Hillary has not only repeatedly defended and praised NAFTA, but that she was also deeply and enthusiastically involved with promoting and helping to secure it’s passage? That “false NAFTA flier” ?
In that case, I hope they ask about this as well…
Posted by: fontapa | April 16, 2008, 4:35 pm 4:35 pm
Oh! And I want Obama to be asked about his campaign meeting with Candian leaders telling them to disregard NAFTA rhetoric.
I want him to tell his followers to lay off Tavis Smiley for Pete’s sake.
I want to hear him counter the idea this extended primary has been a good thing for the American people who are more engaged and paying attention to the issues than in a very long time. And that it has been a good thing for democrats because all their dirty laundry will sound like old news to the public by the time they start bringing up McCain’s issues.
I want to know why he thinks he should be handed the election on a technicality, that caused Sen. Clinton to lose delegates from 2 states in which she was heavily favored, and why voters in FL and MI don’t matter enough to count. I want to know whether he thinks the person with the most VOTES should win.
I want to know what each of their positions are on prosecuting Bush Admin. officials from breaking the law, lying us into war, torturing, spying on U.S. citizens without warrants, etc., etc., etc.
Lord, I could go on all day. How about I just catch a flight and take over moderating the debate . . . oh, well that would make in unbiased anymore.:)
Carry on.
Posted by: Teri B. | April 16, 2008, 4:35 pm 4:35 pm
banner headline on the Huffington Post
“Hillary on Southern White Voters: “Screw em ”
somewhere Carville is calling his boy Stephanopolous and telling him not to ask any elitist questions anymore.
Posted by: Gion | April 16, 2008, 4:37 pm 4:37 pm
Let Georgze ask Hillary if she is aware of the fact that all sorts of right wingers and racists dress up as Hillary supporters and swarm the blogs for a coordinated smear campaign against her opponent. Does she reject, denounce, repudiate it?
Posted by: justice | April 16, 2008, 4:38 pm 4:38 pm
A question for Hillary:
This past week you made much of your support for gun owners and the second amendment.
Yet you voted for legislation to allow weapons to be confiscated during national emergencies.
Were the US to be invaded by Al Queda after a major disaster, such as a hurricane or rash of tornadoes and flooding, could you explain how this legislation would make us safer?
Obama 2008 — Yes, WE CAN!!!
Posted by: Jackt51 -- Vietnam Vet and Proud Liberal | April 16, 2008, 4:40 pm 4:40 pm
I would like someone to really push Obama on the Rezko connection, specifically this new information that a) he reportedly was at the reception for the Iraqi billionaire con man and b) not only was he there (when he says he doesn’t remember) he gave the guy a big welcome and made toasts!
Obama’s story on his relationship with Rezko keeps changing. First it was described as more business-like, but it seems to be a lot closer than that.
Posted by: Julie | April 16, 2008, 4:41 pm 4:41 pm
I would like for obama to get the first question-and I would like for it to be abouth healthcare.
on the jimmy carter thing
you know obama knows he had better say what ever his handlers tell him to say to get the jewish money.
he needs the money more than he needs jimmy carters endorsement,
I want him to be asked about the black community and how he feels about black people who support sen. clinton-have been threatened
I want him to be asked if he becomes president-how soon will the healtcare for all program be up and running
and how will he pay for it.
unlike others on this blog
I do not want him asked questions about ayers, wright, the bitter comment,resko
I only want him to answer in depth the issues questions-because we are about the nominate a person who has to be coached on the issues.
and then even after all of that
he still will not get my black vote.
he is underqualified to be president
Posted by: jgaw | April 16, 2008, 4:42 pm 4:42 pm
I’m not sure I’d characterize that gun vote that way, but once again, AT LEAST SEN. CLINTON SHOWED UP FOR THE VOTE! Obama’s record of avoiding votes during his short time in the U.S. is worse than his record in the Illinois Senate – who would have that that was possible?
Posted by: Teri B. | April 16, 2008, 4:43 pm 4:43 pm
Mecksi
that article by kenneth blackwell
that wouldn’t happen to be the same kenneth blackwell who was the sec of state and the head of george w. bush’s re election campaign in that state …would it?
Yeah it is… it’s great when you are referencing such “unbiased” lol reporting.
You use a George W. Bush operative’s editorial story from the New york Sun to embolden Hillary against Obama. yeah that pretty much sums it up.
Posted by: dl | April 16, 2008, 4:44 pm 4:44 pm
George was part of the Bill Clinton administration, so he knows very well aunt Hillary and that is a real fact which we all know. The questions for Hill are:
1. From where she and Bill got 109 million in few years?
2. Why her beloved Bill got 800 000 from Urube in Colombia? How many American jobs is she willing to ship over to Colombia?
3. When Hill the Bosnian General will return to Bosnia?
4. How much money each FAT CAT was paying per night to sleep over in the Lincoln bedroom?
5. How much money Hill and Bill have received from the Kyrgistan Uranium deal?
6. Who is her pastor? and when last she went to Church?
7. When she will start telling the truth to the American people?
8. Why Hill and Bill’s taxreturns for 2007 cannot be diclosed/handled this month? What is she hiding?
9. She is a day dreamer, can she tell to Amerian people when the doctor has diagnosed that disease?
10. She seems alcoholic, how many glasses of wiskey, beer, wine, liqor she is drinking per day?
11. What happened to the poor Vincent Foster?
These are the 11 questions for ABC. God bless Obama and God bless America. OBAMA08.
Posted by: BKMC | April 16, 2008, 4:44 pm 4:44 pm
Mecksi
that article by kenneth blackwell
that wouldn’t happen to be the same kenneth blackwell who was the sec of state for the state of ohio and the head of george w. bush’s re election campaign in that state …would it?
Yeah it is… it’s great when you are referencing such “unbiased” lol reporting.
You use a George W. Bush operative’s editorial story from the New york Sun to embolden Hillary against Obama. yeah that pretty much sums it up.
Posted by: dl | April 16, 2008, 4:44 pm 4:44 pm
“I would like someone to really push Obama on the Rezko connection, specifically this new information that a) he reportedly was at the reception for the Iraqi billionaire con man and b) not only was he there (when he says he doesn’t remember) he gave the guy a big welcome and made toasts!
Obama’s story on his relationship with Rezko keeps changing. First it was described as more business-like, but it seems to be a lot closer than that.”
Except when you take into account its all according to a man who’s lied already on the witness stand, while being questioned about possibly lying to the feds when he was supposed to be helping them, who was helping them in the first place because they flipped him for his own criminal behavior.
Go ahead, promote THAT guy’s point of view. Get Clinton to make dopey speaches about it. Then that can blow up in her face like everything else she’s tried.
Posted by: fontapa | April 16, 2008, 4:45 pm 4:45 pm
Senator Clinton, as long as you had a lead in the nomination race, you said that the votes in Florida and Michigan weren’t gonna count for anything. Now that you’re trailing Senator Obama, you suddenly feel you have ‘stand up’ for these votes to count, even though you signed with your own name for counting them OUT.
How are we to understand and respect your sudden change of position? And do you think your change of position makes you look more trustworthy?
Posted by: justice | April 16, 2008, 4:45 pm 4:45 pm
lol – just a matter of time before Obama flipped on yet another position/opinion.
Now he’s wearing the flag pin. Hurry, Obama-bots go get one too!
Maybe he found the pin at Wright’s new $1.6M “retirement house” funded on the backs of the TUCC folks from the poorest areas of the south side of Chicago. What a joke.
Posted by: HeyHeresMyFlag | April 16, 2008, 4:46 pm 4:46 pm
I would like her to tell me the difference in these statements made by her husband and herself: Printed in Times today….
APRIL 16, 2008 4:27
Sounds Familiar
HRC’s “screw them” (where “them” = working class Democrats)comment is getting all the attention, but I was struck by this contemporaneous statement by Bill:
I know how you feel. … It makes me mad too. Sure, we lost our base in the South; our boys voted for Gingrich. But let me tell you something. I know these boys. I grew up with them. Hardworking, poor, white boys, who feel left out, feel that our reforms always come at their expense. Think about it, every progressive advance our country has made since the Civil War has been on their backs. They’re the ones asked to pay the price of progress. Now, we are the party of progress, but let me tell you, until we find a way to include these boys in our programs, until we stop making them pay the whole price of liberty for others, we are never going to unite our party, never really going to have change that sticks.
Can you imagine Bill saying that today?
Posted by: Becky | April 16, 2008, 4:47 pm 4:47 pm
Ask senator about his relationship with Rev Wright. Why he did not have a speech about 9/11 and HIV … not about race speech? Why he stayed in that church but never heard the hatred speech even thought it is available on the internet?
Posted by: stephanie | April 16, 2008, 4:49 pm 4:49 pm
“Maybe he found the pin at Wright’s new $1.6M “retirement house” funded on the backs of the TUCC folks from the poorest areas of the south side of Chicago. What a joke.”
Nope, he was given the pin by a disabled veteran at the event, caught on camera. Before he spoke, he explained that to everyone, thanked the vet for his service, and donned the pin.
Not a flip-flop, just a sign of respect. I suppose Hillary would have thrown it back in the vet’s face and refused for fear of getting labeled a flip-flopper and losing a half a point in some poll.
Posted by: fontapa | April 16, 2008, 4:51 pm 4:51 pm
@Becky | Apr 16, 2008 4:47:28 PM:
The difference should be obvious: she wasn’t running for POTUS in 1995 while Obama was the other day.
Besides, you all have already called her an elitist–why is this news?
Posted by: LOM | April 16, 2008, 4:53 pm 4:53 pm
How come, Senator Clinton, that a large majority of Americans say they don’t trust you?
And Senator Clinton, how electable do you think is a candidate who’s been seen as ‘untrustworthy’ by a large majority of American voters?
Posted by: jamboree | April 16, 2008, 4:54 pm 4:54 pm
I want someone to press hard on Obama’s opposition to counting all the votes: FL and MI. His team’s position is to split the votes 50/50. How is this ever equitable when Hillary Clinton received the lion’s share of the votes?? Everyone was on the ballot in Fl and FL had a historic number of voters in the primaries. While Obama was not on the ballot in MI, that was his choice. Further he sent his surrogates to MI to tell voters to vote “uncommitted.”
Posted by: countallthevotes | April 16, 2008, 4:56 pm 4:56 pm
fontapa
That’s my point. She shouldn’t have accused him of being an elitist because that charge was stupid anyway considering his life-story. Besides, calling him an elitist so narrowly defined the offensive nature of his comments, it allowed him room to wiggle out of it. She should have allowed the Republicans and media to do their job and allow the voters to reach whatever conclusion they might. I bet you, if Hillary hadn’t so narrowly defined Obama’s comments as elitist, most folks would have tied it into the Rev. Wright issue and concluded that maybe Obama has a problem with white folks, period. Obama might still pay for his comments in Pennsylvania. But it’s becoming clear that nationally and with Superdelegates, it has backfired big time. Democrats know that elite white democrats are their base, not blue collar workers (or so-called Reagan democrats) who cannot be relied on to deliver the vote. The people Obama insulted, basically, are not Democrats. They are Republicans. So while Obama’s negatives have risen, his margin against Hillary has also risen. This comment will have more of an effect in the General. Not in a Democratic primary.
Posted by: Kevin | April 16, 2008, 4:57 pm 4:57 pm
eh… i’m okay with both candidates still. i find Clinton precise and intelligent and i’m more directly motivated by Obama.
there’s not so much policy stuff to dissect anymore; it’s all down to persona and perception.
they both have a lot of controversial baggage and i’m interested in their manner of responding to it. i’m looking for honest, straight-forward, confident answers. it’d be nice if they could zoom-out a bit from their demoralizing digs and squabbles and place the better interests of the American people at the heart of everything they say.
Posted by: Ta. | April 16, 2008, 4:58 pm 4:58 pm
Hillary needs to come clean on the fact that her healthcare failed last time predominantly because she went to far with such a large and costly overhaul. I think she needs to come clean about the fact that a forced payment is NOT working in Massachusetts… they are looking at huge hikes in cost and this is a state with lots of healthcare resources. She needs to show all the problems they have has and discuss how this plan would be better than medicare (which is the worst type of care in the US…ask any doc, elderly person or medical billing professional…the medical billing professional will tell you the beraucracy that coexists with Medicare in our country is a big part of the costs of doctors and why visits keep getting more expensive)…
She also needs to talk about understanding that when families that are middle class to lower middle class are trying to work outside of a system fighting to cover their families…and they have money taken out of their rent budget with a mandatory stipend… a tax credit doesn’t help with people who don’t have accountants and have a tough enough time trying to figure out budgeting for groceries… these are the same people whose stipend taken out will bare the brunt of covering everyone including pre-existing conditions…
…and how when she says by everyone paying in to this bureaucratic system the costs are going to go down when you are implementing a massive bureaucratic system to an overtaxed bureaucracy and billing mess (ask any doctor billing is half to 2/3 of their costs) … during a time of economic downturn…
and finally once she has gotten through that part of the question…how is she going to get this through a divided country’s congress when her own party is divided on the issue?
It is about costs FIRST. Why has it not succeeded before…because she is of the “fight for it” attitude…opponents going mano y mano…and try to dwindle back rather than get steps through.
This is one of my two biggest problems with Hillary Clinton… it is about fighting from square one polarization to get something through, rather than reasoning as much as you can with as many as you can on issues like this to attack the issue that everyone agrees with…costs are too expensive no matter what.
Posted by: dl | April 16, 2008, 4:58 pm 4:58 pm
Justice, are you really? Are you really saying that you want our next president (God willing) to be chosen on a technicality, one that disenfranchises millions of Americans?
Is this still America? Do we stand for aanything? Are we self-governed?
And BTW, Hillary never agreed that their VOTES wouldn’t count, only that she wouldn’t campaign there because the DNC was stripping their delegations (stupid, stupid move by Howard Dean no matter how you shake it out – like Democrats don’t need voters in those states in the general election).
All this talk of “rules is rules” and forcing Clinton to quit – y’all sound like a bunch of kids who demand the other team forfiet because one of their players is late. It’s sickening. This is the most important expression of our freedom and self-government – VOTING, not a child’s baseball game.
Posted by: Teri B. | April 16, 2008, 5:00 pm 5:00 pm
A NEVER BEFORE ASKED QUESTION!
Barack Obama to comment: Per Barack’s own words from an article published in the Chicago Tribune on 6/26/05 by Jeff Zeleny entitled “When it comes to race, Obama makes his point–with subtlety”.
These comment from Barack pertained to his Senate race in Illinois.
Obama acknowledges, with no small irony, that he benefits from his race.
If he were white, he once bluntly noted, he would simply be one of nine freshmen senators, almost certainly without a multimillion-dollar book deal and a shred of celebrity. Or would he have been elected at all? His words.
Now, if Barack Obama believed this to be true in 2005 concerning his US Senate race in 2004, it is very fair for someone to believe these same comments to be true in 2008. What makes this election any different than an election that was not even 4 years ago? Geraldine Ferraro basically said the exact same thing. Does he that he owe her an apology?
Posted by: Micheal | April 16, 2008, 5:01 pm 5:01 pm
Amazing when you want votes you can put your flag pin back on your suit. This man is a joke.
Posted by: J | April 16, 2008, 5:01 pm 5:01 pm
LOM: It makes a difference, it shows me how two faced she really is.
Posted by: Becky | April 16, 2008, 5:02 pm 5:02 pm
What would each of the canidates first 100 days agenda be?
Posted by: Parker | April 16, 2008, 5:03 pm 5:03 pm
Senator Clinton, did your opponent ever call you a liar, aven at the height of Tuzlagate? Did he ever exploit the Tuzla video and your account of that landing to attack to personnaly attack you?
Why then the almost grotesque exploitation of Seator Obama’s remarks in San Francisco, the personal attacks and ‘elitist’ accusations, and the bitter hammering and pounding for days?
If we make comparison between Tuzlagate
and Bittergate, what do you conclude from it? Wouldn’t you think that Senator Obama’s silence on Tuzla in the end has been more effective than your bitter so called ‘ working class’ hysteria?
Posted by: jamboree | April 16, 2008, 5:05 pm 5:05 pm
“If he were white,”
Ah, jeez! He IS white, politically speaking.
Posted by: Belle Starr | April 16, 2008, 5:07 pm 5:07 pm
I’m acutely aware of where he got the flag. But couldn’t resist the tidbit about Wright.
Despite the source of the pin. No wait – because of the source of the pin…Obama continues to be a flip-flopper. Let’s go back to that day last year when Obama first stood on his flag soapbox. Are you telling me he’d have acted differently if some mother of a fallen soldier approached him with a pin? That the pin is meaningless unless it’s explicitly connected to an individual who served? You disgust me. I’m not saying the flag is an absolute sign of patriotism any more than the absence of the flag is a sign of treason or other lack of national loyalty. But to grandstand by implying that wearing the flag should be confused with not being patriotic is inexcusable.
Essentially, Obama attempted to marginalize a benign symbol. Now, for a photo opp he backed off from standing firm on that position. He’s blurred that line so much that he’s not even sure where to stand in relation to it.
Posted by: HeyHeresMyFlag | April 16, 2008, 5:09 pm 5:09 pm
I will add to my comments about the flag pin. I am wondering if that vet giving him that pin was staged.
Posted by: J | April 16, 2008, 5:09 pm 5:09 pm
Most politicians are rich…including Obama. At the same time, most don’t make the kind of elitist arrogant remarks that OBAMA made! And most have not told as many lies as Obama has told. He has run his entire campaign on lies. Too bad the media didn’t release them until half the country had voted.
Hillary gives about 10% of her income to charity…compared to that elitist cheap-skate, Obama, who only gives less than 1% in most years.
Hillary pays another 33% in taxes…which is 12% above the average in her tax bracket. She even proposes taxes on herself and others in her tax bracket. Here are more links to govt. officials speaking out/offended by Obama`s remarks…Mont, Indy, and WV are weighing in:
They join numerous government officials in several other states who’ve spoken out against Obama`s comments.
Hillary 2008!
Posted by: 4MYCOUNTRY | April 16, 2008, 5:09 pm 5:09 pm
Teri B.
You are wrong …she said there votes wouldn’t count and what’s more her campaign team was a significant part of the committee that created the system that ended up telling the states they were out of line and their votes wouldn’t count.
…because they were not real election when you see consistently that states needed to meet and have time with oBama before they voted. (In almost every state he made up double digit numbers only when he went to the state and they got to meet him…there is no denying that… and in most states Hillary’s lead turned into her loss)
Obama’s team went along with it…and if Hillary hadn’t run in the day after and tried to use the situation to her own benefit lots of the supporters on either side of the issue that actually live in those states probably could have gotten to a reasonable solution. So if you are going to blame this situation on anyone… it lies nowhere near Obama… Hillary once again stands up for the voters only when it helps her and by doing that she hurts the voters.
Posted by: dl | April 16, 2008, 5:11 pm 5:11 pm
“I am wondering if that vet giving him that pin was staged.”
Probably so … wonder WHICH campaign staged it? Maybe McCain?
Posted by: Belle Starr | April 16, 2008, 5:11 pm 5:11 pm
Kevin,
that simply is not the truth. The pledge taken was to refrain from campaigning. Here is the pledge:
Four State Pledge Letter 2008
Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada, South Carolina
August 31, 2007
WHEREAS, Over a year ago, the Democratic National Committee established a
2008 nominating calendar;
WHEREAS, this calendar honors the racial, ethnic, economic and geographic
diversity of our party and our country;
WHEREAS, the DNC also honored the traditional role of retail politics early in the
nominating process, to insure that money alone will not determine our
presidential nominee;
WHEREAS, it is the desire of Presidential campaigns, the DNC, the states and
the American people to bring finality, predictability and common sense to the
nominating calendar.
THEREFORE, I _______________, Democratic Candidate for President, pledge
I shall not campaign or participate in any state which schedules a presidential
election primary or caucus before Feb. 5, 2008, except for the states of Iowa,
Nevada, New Hampshire and South Carolina, as “campaigning” is defined by
rules and regulations of the DNC.
___________________________ __________
Posted by: countallthevotes | April 16, 2008, 5:13 pm 5:13 pm
If Obama would say he would support a re-vote in Florida and Michigan, I could have some respect for him. This will never be a legit nomination without it. Most likely it would never be asked.
Posted by: Tina D | April 16, 2008, 5:16 pm 5:16 pm
“I am wondering if that vet giving him that pin was staged.”
Probably so … wonder WHICH campaign staged it? Maybe McCain?
———————-
Why would McCain stage a vet giving Obama a flag pin? I am sure over this recent flap he is just trying to get votes.
Posted by: J | April 16, 2008, 5:16 pm 5:16 pm
4mycountry
Hillary lives in a tax bracket where it may behoove her to pay that much in taxes… and she can afford to do that quite comfortably. Obama just finished paying off his loans and for most of his adult life lived in a one bedroom condo… and did it partly with kids. and that was after he spent a few years doing non profit work (this is the guy that was the President of the Harvard Law Review remember…could have done what Hillary did and just gotten a job in Washington looking at her future in politics and then on the board at walMart)
So 1% sounds about right.
and if you are going to bring up lies and scandals… and you are a supporter of Hillary …I would just advise you …that is probably not the playing field Hillary is best on.
Posted by: dl | April 16, 2008, 5:18 pm 5:18 pm
“OBAMA SAID HE WILL IMMEDIATELY REVIEW POTENTIAL CRIMES OF THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION! IS HE NUTS?”
He DIDN’T actually say that — that was the headline on the HuffingtonPost! If you read what he actually DID say, it’s a namby-pamby “if crimes have been committed blablabla” kind of statement.
I wish someone would ask the diversity candidates whether they would immediately end domestic surveillance of ordinary citizens. John Edwards — who we PRAY will wind up the nominee — said HE would.l
Posted by: Edgar Cayce | April 16, 2008, 5:18 pm 5:18 pm
Some of you Obamabots are totally losing it. I’m all over the net daily and I see Obama supporters swarming, dominating the blog comments, attempting to intimidate those who disagree with them. In addition, they have a nasty habit of calling for posts to be deleted simply because they disagree with the opinions expressed. I don’t put much stock in polls but I do know desperation when I see it. The Obamabots appear to be worried about something.
I’ve heard there’s a big bomb to be dropped on Obama in the next few days… is that the cause of your concern?
Posted by: HoosierSue | April 16, 2008, 5:19 pm 5:19 pm
To Hillary: Under no circumstances concede this race to obama. Please. There will be a lot more coming out regarding obama which will show the world his true nature.
To Obama: Why do you come across as being so arrogant and condescending? You have that G.W. Bush smirk on your face when you are explaining yourself for your misstatements.
To Obama: You have never truly disclaimed the Reverend Wrights G.D. America statement and his obscene hip movements while discussing Bill Clinton and Monica from THE PULPIT OF HIS CHURCH. Talk about this now.
To obama: when you are in a debate such as tonight, do you wear a hidden microphone so that you are fed the “right” answers? It always appears so.
To both: I just wish this whole ugly mess was over. I used to love politics and now I am hating politics.
I just don’t want another inexperienced on the job training president to lead this country.
To obama: Please give a detailed account of your experience working with the international leaders. No, not just your visit to Pakistan or Africa, but your actual experience, dates please and subject, of how you handled an international issue.
Posted by: Lou | April 16, 2008, 5:20 pm 5:20 pm
East Coast
How many times can more people say it… when you keep posting that little bitty list compared to the Clintons lists of scandals and lawsuits and investigations and lies and favors and missing files and dying witnesses…and unexpected windfalls…
We don’t want to play on that field…and if you are supporting Clinton you should surely not want to.
Posted by: dl | April 16, 2008, 5:20 pm 5:20 pm
countallthevotes:
I’m also reminded of Obama running ads in Florida prior to the primary. But he got away with that because of the adoring media. As I heard Randi Rhodes dismissively say when a caller brought that up: “That was only on cable.” Geez…
Posted by: cappamore | April 16, 2008, 5:20 pm 5:20 pm
“Why would McCain stage a vet giving Obama a flag pin?”
Possibly for the slightly-wicked pleasure of watching him back down on yet another of his “leftist” positions?
Posted by: Edgar Cayce | April 16, 2008, 5:21 pm 5:21 pm
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW OBAMA’S CONNECTION WITH NADHMI AUCHI, AND ALSO WHY DID OBAMA LIE ABOUT NEVER MEETING HIM.
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW OBAMA’S CONNECTION WITH THE LOBBYISTS AS MENTIONED IN TODAY’S USA TODAY.
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHY OBAMA VOTED “PRESENT” MORE THAN 130 TIMES.
Posted by: Someone | April 16, 2008, 5:22 pm 5:22 pm
I would like someone to question Obama on his “real” feelings about small town people and their bitterness causing them to cling to religion and guns and xenophic positions. While he has recently admitted he could have said it better and now dwells on the “bitterness” element, the truth is that he espoused exactly the same objectionable opinion in his Charlie Rose interview way back in 2004.
Paraphrasing from that interview:
People having hard economic times do not vote economic issues. Rather, due to their insecurity, they go out hunting and to church for stability. In the end, they go to the Party that does not look down on them.
Charlie Rose interview of 2004 is online. The above dialogue can be found at about 11-minute footage.
In essence, this was no slip of the tongue by Obama. This is his longstanding belief. He owns it. Further, notable is that he said, “They go to the Party that does not look down on them.” That is precisely what he has done.
Posted by: countallthevotes | April 16, 2008, 5:24 pm 5:24 pm
Re: Obama’s condo. I’ve read it as a 1-bedroom and a 3-bedroom. Assuming the 1 is an evolved gross exageration… anyone know for sure?
Posted by: HoosierSue | April 16, 2008, 5:25 pm 5:25 pm
These issues are holding me back for voting for Obama next Tuesday:
1. Relationship with William Ayers?
2. Relationship with Tony Rezko?
3. Relationship with Rev. James Meeks?
4. With Rev. Jeremaih Wright issue, why did he introduce it as a race issue, when it was clearly a anti- American theme for Wright.
5. Why this deception, take money for lobbyist (as he claims with Clinton). Or take money for bundlers as he does, same thing – splitting hairs. Factcheck.org.
If he could answer those questions with clearly and not dance them. I would give him a vote on Tuesday. Otherwise, Clinton is getting it or McCain in the general.
Posted by: Jonathan | April 16, 2008, 5:28 pm 5:28 pm
You know you clintonistas would be pounding on Senator Obama if he had dissed that vet by not wearing the flag pin after he was given it. Would have been disrespect, you’d have said!
As a Vietnam Veteran who DOES NOT wear a flag pin, and for a long time did not stand for the National Anthem due to my opposition to the Vietnam War after I returned, I respect Senator Obama’s right not be be a “false patriot” who wears a flag pin while sending our sons and daughters off to a war that is both unnecessary and fraudulent. Chickenhawks like Chaney and Bush certainly wear their flag pins all the time, but I don’t consider them patriots as I believe they worship Haliburton before any Allegiance to country or God.
Obama 2008 — Yes, WE CAN!!!
Posted by: Jackt51 -- Vietnam Vet and Proud Liberal | April 16, 2008, 5:29 pm 5:29 pm
“I’m also reminded of Obama running ads in Florida prior to the primary. But he got away with that because of the adoring media.”
Get informed. He got away with it because these were ads running on national television.
Posted by: josephine | April 16, 2008, 5:29 pm 5:29 pm
Josephine: how convenient for him….
Posted by: cappamore | April 16, 2008, 5:30 pm 5:30 pm
Becky — Like you need to be convinced. If she says she didn’t say it, you’ll call her a liar. If she is honest about it or tries to say what I really meant (like Obama did), you’ll say she is two-faced. Does that mean that Obama is two-faced? Or is this where we apply the now commonplace double standard?
Posted by: LOM | April 16, 2008, 5:32 pm 5:32 pm
Questions to Obama:
Why did you decide to run president?
Why do you think you are similar to JFK?
If you wants to change, what did you change to your pastor, your church?
What’s the definition of ‘leader’? What’s the definition of ‘follower’?
If you have been sitting in the church for 20 years, and following the anti-America pastor for 20 years, are you a leader?
If you are not a leader, why do you want to run president?
Why don’t you release your Senator record? What did you do as a Senator?
What did you accomplish?
What’s your error rate, the things you did wrong devide by the things you did?
Posted by: golfgirlusa | April 16, 2008, 5:32 pm 5:32 pm
“These issues are holding me back for voting for Obama next Tuesday”
vote for Hillary then! LOL
Posted by: josephine | April 16, 2008, 5:33 pm 5:33 pm
Nothing could convince me to vote for Obama. Not now. Not ever.
I really want to see if Mr. phony is ging to be wearing a flag pin tonight. As mIchelle would say “for the first time in his adult life”
Posted by: geevill | April 16, 2008, 5:34 pm 5:34 pm
countall the votes
although some of you who like to say it doesn;t count there are numerous studies done that show (and I implore everyone to go look at them…google anything with economic downturn studies and violent crime, ethnocentrism, racism, etc.) you will find many studies that support what he is saying…not to mention it is common sense…
when a community is hit with an economic downturn they turn inward and to what they know…but also violent crime, racism, violent ethnocentrism and anger goes up.
It’s been studied and considering where our country is heading over the next couple of years…you better well hope that the other two candidates know that too…because if they don’t and by some horrible fluke they won…
This country is not going to be just a hard economic challenge…but the difference in culture, sexism, race and religion may get really nasty when those things go wrong.
Wouldn’t you hope that the President of the United States would be smart enough to see those effects and studies.
It’s the hard thing to address them…it’s the politically safe thing to use those statements as a wedge tool.
Posted by: dl | April 16, 2008, 5:34 pm 5:34 pm
I would like to hear both candidates solutions for resolving MI and FL, for the record in the same room, for everyone to hear.
Posted by: LOM | April 16, 2008, 5:34 pm 5:34 pm
Edgar Cayce,
Thanks for answering my question and you are probably right…lol. I am sure the Obamabots will blame Clinton for it.
Posted by: J | April 16, 2008, 5:35 pm 5:35 pm
When Obama is in troule, the media will come to rescue him, the polls will come out to cover up for him. They focus on the “bitter” to mislead people. It is the “Clings to the guns…” that insults people.
Posted by: peter | April 16, 2008, 5:37 pm 5:37 pm
cappamore,
Obama did run ads in Florida, you are correct. That is well documeted. Obama said they were national ads so he had no control. Oops! Note Hillary Clinton did not do that.
Posted by: countallthevotes | April 16, 2008, 5:37 pm 5:37 pm
“Nothing could convince me to vote for Obama. Not now. Not ever.”
You don’t have to! So stop whining here!
LOL
Posted by: josephine | April 16, 2008, 5:37 pm 5:37 pm
Other questions to Obama:
Why are you afraid of counting votes in Florida and Michigan?
If you don’t count votes in those states, then why did say one thing and do another?
Why are you so arrogant to say that if people think you are wrong (your bitter comments) then you declare it’s ‘political foolishing season’?
Why do you think you are the best candidate to be president? Don’t you know you are a below average US Senator?
Don’t know you have been given free ride from media for so long? Everytime, when Hillary said something wrong, oh, bad mouth from every where, but when you said somethings wrong, there were not many news from the web. Don’t you know that?
Hillary is the one I adore. She has been working hard consistently, persistently for so many years. I feel psychologically balanced to see a person work harder than me to lead me.
Posted by: golfgirlusa | April 16, 2008, 5:40 pm 5:40 pm
“Obama did run ads in Florida, you are correct. That is well documeted. Obama said they were national ads so he had no control.”
And he was right about that! As is well documented! Maybe Hillary was out of cash again!
LOL
Posted by: josephine | April 16, 2008, 5:40 pm 5:40 pm
dl,
The statement by Obama re: small town people and bitterness and clinging to faith and guns etc, was a direct answer to a direct question he was asked about not having support among the working class/small town voters in PA. Note PA is an incredible hunting state. This is not a commment about inner city Chicago and gangbangers. In fact, violence was never mentioned. As for turning to religion, people turn to religion even when not in economically depressed circumstances. It is called FAITH!! WHY IS IT THAT ONLY OBAMA CAN PRACTICE HIS RELIGION OUT OF A DEEP SEATED BELIEF AND SMALL TOWN PEOPLE ARE CLINGING TO THEIRS OUT OF DESPARATION.
Posted by: countallthevotes | April 16, 2008, 5:43 pm 5:43 pm
golfgirlusa, I totally agree. I’ve followed politics for years and never seen a candidate with the depth of knowledge on the issues that Hillary has.
Posted by: HoosierSue | April 16, 2008, 5:46 pm 5:46 pm
Senator Obama, you have a clear habit of saying something, commenting on it once put on the spot, but usually without apology and instead express blame and deflect onto other topics to avoid accountability for your words and actions. Why have you expressed regret but NOT apologized for your small town America comments? Also, did you apologize for your racist smear about ‘typical White people’? Finally, did you apologize to your grandmother for trashing her in public as a racist?
Matthew
Posted by: Matthew | April 16, 2008, 5:47 pm 5:47 pm
“It is the “Clings to the guns…” that insults people.”
Yes. The good ole media even dug up a supposedly-similar quote from BILL Clinton. The difference is that Clinton’s comment was in PUBLIC, not part of a supposedly-private class-bash.
And John what’s-his-name on CNN has taken to repeating that “single mother on food stamps” crappola as if it were fact.
(It would be funny if the equally-clueless, I’m sure, moderator would ask the candidates what CAN and CAN’T be bought with food stamps, what are the colors of $1-$5-$10 food stamps, etc. Betcha neither of the candidates has ever actually laid eyes on a foodstamp. (Remember when Bush I was astonished to find that frocery stores had electronic scanners?)
Posted by: Belle Starr | April 16, 2008, 5:47 pm 5:47 pm
josephine: are you really Randi Rhodes?? You don’t get it, do you? Stop making excuses for this guy.
What excuses do have for the other lies? Rezko, Auchi, nuclear legislation, not running for president in 2008, on and on…
Posted by: cappamore | April 16, 2008, 5:50 pm 5:50 pm
I would like to know why Obama put Wright in charge of the religious outreach on his campaign when he has said so many offensive things. When people ask why Obama didn’t leave the church it is always the same answer from “He (Wright) was about to retire…” but no one ever pushes him to explain why he then put him on the campaign and did so after knowing about the offensive things he said. Although I really don’t buy the fact that he only discovered these remarks after he decided to run for president.
For any of your Obamabots who say Wright isn’t an issue, you are way off base. He is an issue now and will be an even bigger issue in the general. When I see the type of people Obama has put around him for the last two decades, it makes me wonder who he will have around him and influencing him if he were in the white house. That is my biggest issue, plus I just don’t trust the guy.
Posted by: Andrea | April 16, 2008, 5:51 pm 5:51 pm
Jack – thanks for your service to the country. Unwilling as it may have been. With all due respect, you’re missing the point of this issue. Rewind 30 years when you returned from war…
In mixed company of other veterans (i.e. WWII), how do you explain your silent protest of the flag vis-a-vis the Vietnam War? In a crowd of hundreds, the statement is difficult to make.
I’m not condoning a suspension of free speech, but grandstanding on a national symbol whose history is as rich with benevolence, freedom, and amnesty as it may have unjustly spilled blood…it confuses matters. Do you get to the point where you say – I’ll honor the flag at remembrances of the Revolutionary War, War of 1812, WWI, and WWII, maybe for Teddy Roosevelt, for the first term of FDR, for Nixon’s trip to China – but not Watergate, etc., etc.? Whatever.
The whole flag thing is the equivalent of taking the cross out of Christian churches because crusadors carried the symbol into racist battles like the crusades (and countless other military actions in the name of religion). I’ve yet to see a Christian denounce it – including St. Obama. And no, I’m not calling you a Christian or he a Muslim.
Posted by: WebstersPatriot | April 16, 2008, 5:51 pm 5:51 pm
I would like to ask him if he really wants to do the best for the american people. A voice of reason: The only way the democrats will capture the white house is together. I will not vote for Barack because of his thin resume, but if he added eight years as vice president, no one could claim that he was inexperienced and I think this would all but assure the democrats of 16 years in the white house. This is sound reasoning and Barack could end this all now and fill in the gaps of experience and probably make a wonderful president. They are so close on issues, they just need to come together. If democrats came together and made this the sound that both candidates could hear, maybe we could get this done. They could capture the White House together. Let’s revist this idea!
Hillary/Barack….Barack/?
Posted by: justme | April 16, 2008, 5:53 pm 5:53 pm
Why can he not unite the party?
Posted by: sugar | April 16, 2008, 5:54 pm 5:54 pm
Sen, Hillary was it the first time you got emotional on Dr. King’s Death anniversary PUBLICLY, in you 35 years of public life?
If Yes: Don’t you think crying once in 35 years just b4 election makes you look not so genuine in you emotion?
If No: Can you name and date those occasions? Do you get generally this emotional in death anniversaries of all the people you consider close, and how many are there? How often do you get such emotional?
I hope you will be more accurate in your recollection.
Posted by: moeen | April 16, 2008, 5:54 pm 5:54 pm
“I would like to know why Obama put Wright in charge of the religious outreach on his campaign when he has said so many offensive things.”
Most likely as a means to transfer a whole lot of campaign donations to the church.
Posted by: Belle Starr | April 16, 2008, 5:55 pm 5:55 pm
Senator Clinton:
As president would you allow or encourage U.S. prosecution of President Bush and members of his administration and others in goverment and the military for war crimes? And, if asked will you turn them over to an international tribunal, such as in Europe, for trial?
And if not, why not?
Matthew
Posted by: Matthew | April 16, 2008, 5:56 pm 5:56 pm
A voice of reason: The only way the democrats will capture the white house is together. I will not vote for Barack because of his thin resume, but if he added eight years as vice president, no one could claim that he was inexperienced and I think this would all but assure the democrats of 16 years in the white house. This is sound reasoning and Barack could end this all now and fill in the gaps of experience and probably make a wonderful president. They are so close on issues, they just need to come together. If democrats came together and made this the sound that both candidates could hear, maybe we could get this done. They could capture the White House together. Let’s revist this idea!
Hillary/Barack….Barack/?
Posted by: sugar | April 16, 2008, 5:57 pm 5:57 pm
“Why can he not unite the party?”
Because of Hillary and her idolatric supporters who favor division over lining up behind a clear frontrunner who happens NOT to be Hillary.
Posted by: harald | April 16, 2008, 6:00 pm 6:00 pm
Brian: wrong!!
The one should quit is Obama!
We should have a rule, if someone is a beloow average US Senator, while other candidates are, then he should be filterd out at the beginning.
Just like a job interview, if so many people want a manager’s position, we need to set a bar to filter out the unqualified candidate at the beginning.
Remember, US is the strongest country in the world. We don’t want just anybody can be president. We need to set the bar high!!
Obama can be rocky star, if he is popular. He can be a great speaker, but he can not be president.
Although he got many votes so far, but that’s wrong.
Posted by: golfgirlusa | April 16, 2008, 6:01 pm 6:01 pm
Andrea: “For any of your Obamabots who say Wright isn’t an issue, you are way off base.”
He is an issue, but as the ABC poll shows us Obama actually profited from the issue.
You can’t blame him for that. It DOES show however what a strong politician he is, the only one who could stand up to the GOP attack machine. If you attack Obama, he’ll be the one who is scoring the points. You gotta admire that. It makes the guy almost untouchable, and that’s why Limbaugh and other Republicans are scared to death that he’ll be the nominee.
Posted by: harald | April 16, 2008, 6:07 pm 6:07 pm
Guess us Hillary supporters will just have to vote McCain and keep him out. You know he is the uniter, hope…..change…..hope….change….
Posted by: granny | April 16, 2008, 6:08 pm 6:08 pm
Harald,
What is in that coolaid dude? Hillary voters won’t line up with the rest of the Obama zombies because we idolize Hillary. I don’t idolize Hillary, she just happens to be the best candidate in my opinion. Additionally, there are two better candidates than Obama, should Hillary not receive the nomination. That would be Ralph Nader or John McCain.
It’s called Democracy, maaaaaannnnn!
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Obama, he will say or do anything to make sure the Democrats lose the election!
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Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | April 16, 2008, 6:09 pm 6:09 pm
HoosierSue,
I agree with you on that but for some reason knowledge has nothing to do with election. It’s come down to who is prettier and who can give a speech more eloquently. Have half of us become that stupid?
Posted by: J | April 16, 2008, 6:10 pm 6:10 pm
“lining up behind a clear frontrunner who happens NOT to be Hillary.”
Even people who don’t CARE for Clinton might think of voting for her in PA and NC: the longer the clock runs, the more Obama shoes are going to drop, and the media-manufactured “charisma” is going to go bye-bye, leaving the stuttering and the creepy hand gestures and the whine.
That the guy can’t keep his stories straight through a campaign (Obama’s never HAD to go through a campaign before, except when Bobby Rush beat him 2-to-one in Chicago) is NO reason to hand him the nomination. Especially when it’s perfectly clear that a whole lot of Democrats are NOT going to go for it, no matter how many of the Democratic “leadership” — Daschle, Kerry, Pelosi — pretend he’s not a fraud.
Posted by: Edgar Cayce | April 16, 2008, 6:11 pm 6:11 pm
“We should have a rule, if someone is a beloow average US Senator, while other candidates are, then he should be filterd out at the beginning.”
Please explain. If Obama is not a good Senator, how to explain that he got a clear lead in endorsements from fellow Senators over Clinton?
Apparently his colleagues (and they’ll know his work as a Senator a LOT better than you do) have a very positive impression of him, and less so of Clinton.
Posted by: josephine | April 16, 2008, 6:12 pm 6:12 pm
WebstersPatriot:
I don’t know quite how to respond since you went in so many directions.
I was not implying that Obama’s not wearing the flag pin is a silent protest — just noting my own feelings.
Wrapping onesself in the flag does not make one a good American, only a demonstrative one. True patriots do not need to wear flag pins, because their actions speak for them.
I see way too many bumper stickers with flags, saying “I support the troops” next to old “W” bumper stickers, indicating they most certainly DO NOT support the troops as they support a president who put them in harms way for selfish reasons, while letting bin laden get away!
As to Christians and the Crusades, I do consider myself a Christian, though no longer a Catholic. And the corruption of the Catholic Church and the violence of the Crusades certainly factors into why I am no longer Catholic.
Those who try to paint Senator Obama as muslim remind me of those “crusaders.”
I could go on and on with this, but there’s really no point.
Obama 2008 — Yes, WE CAN!!!
Posted by: Jackt51 -- Vietnam Vet and Proud Liberal | April 16, 2008, 6:12 pm 6:12 pm
Remeber, how the dot com stocks fooled people and made people addicted?
Obama is such kind of dot com stock.
People said, Warren Buffet is wrong, he dare not to try dot com stock.
MMM? What happened later? dot com stocks crushed. Blue chip stocks are always good, no-lose choice.
Hillary is such a blue chip stock!
Posted by: golfgirlusa | April 16, 2008, 6:16 pm 6:16 pm
WCM “Additionally, there are two better candidates than Obama, should Hillary not receive the nomination. That would be Ralph Nader or John McCain.”
Thanks for proving my point. Now don’t tell it not the likes of you who are dividing the DEM party in the GE.
It sure is your good right. But why wine about it every day here in this blog?
Vote for Nader or McCain if you want to. No need to say so a 1000 times.
Posted by: harald | April 16, 2008, 6:19 pm 6:19 pm
I too would like Obama to thoroughly justify his Michigan/Florida stance. If he is the candidate of change, why does he oppose changeing an Iwoa favoring primary system?
Posted by: wnytoby | April 16, 2008, 6:19 pm 6:19 pm
“True patriots do not need to wear flag pins, because their actions speak for them.”
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Yeah actions like attending a church for 20 years that GD’s America, Amazon Michelle finally being proud of her country…yeah that speaks volumes. At least they other two candidates there is NO question as to them being patriotic an loving this country.
Posted by: J | April 16, 2008, 6:20 pm 6:20 pm
Harald,
If you believed all the polls Obama would have won New Hampshire. Wright is an issue to Americans, maybe not the media who are in love with Obama.
I have had the hardest time understanding why press and other politicians support him and my husband had an interesting point…that when Clinton is elected she will have a very strong hand in selecting the people around her and the issues she wants to tackle and she won’t be easily swayed. With Obama, he is a newbie, with the ability to repay favors and be easily influenced.
Posted by: Andrea | April 16, 2008, 6:20 pm 6:20 pm
Uh . . . Kevin, neiher Hillary, nor the DNC decides whether votes count – you’re just making things up now. Those votes have been certified by the secretaries of state of FL and MI and are part of the national popular vote. Obama had opportunities to campaign and do over the elections – he nixed them all – HIS FAULT. The DNC screwed this up in the first place – the DNC’s fault. NONE of this is Clinton’s fault or the citizens of this country, who are the ones being SCREWED out of a fair election.
Besides, how the heck do you think Obama’s going to win if he wins like this? Disregarding the votes of two key states? Do you care if we wins the white house? Or is it just beating Clinton that matters most? THIS IS NOT A GAME!
Jesus, this is some silly nonsense. Every time I hear this “rules is rules” BS I think I’m listening to 3rd graders on a playgroud. If he has to win like that, then the Constitution is meaningless, like all the people who gave their lives to protect it. What’s wrong with you people?!? Are you too politically young and naive to even remember the 2000 election?
Posted by: Teri B. | April 16, 2008, 6:21 pm 6:21 pm
“If he has to win like that, then the Constitution is meaningless, like all the people who gave their lives to protect it.”
The Constitution IS meaningless, at the moment.
Especially because Bush has converted the presidency to an imperial office, and because there’s a depression growing, committing the Democratic Party to a character with a made-up biography who wants to substitute his own self, and a few borrowed slogans, for the Constitution as an organizing principle would be VERY dangerous: he consorts with mobsters, and has risen to his present office by questionable means. And there are several guys from the same shop — Deval Patrick, Governor Acevedo — who’ve flamed out in office.
We need a leader — preferably John Edwards. We DON’T need some full-of-himself figurehead who’s a puppet for the socially-clueless corporadoes who’ve constructed the Obama candidacy.
How complicated IS this?
Posted by: Belle Starr | April 16, 2008, 6:33 pm 6:33 pm
my comment must have hit a nerve, I made the comment that the media wanted Obama because he would give them more stories, much like Bush has give them lots to write about.
Posted by: justme the original | April 16, 2008, 6:39 pm 6:39 pm
What Hillary doesn’t get is this isn’t about black, white, elite, redneck etc. It should be about uniting all the various segments in American rather than divide them in Carl Rove fashion. It’s about beating John McCain. Yet her latest Rove style strategy has her campaign insinuating that the Montana Yellowstone County Commissioner “picked Clinton only after he heard Barack Obama’s now famous “bitter” comments. But Kennedy told FOX News on Tuesday that he decided on Clinton long before that. “I had been leaning toward Hillary for months,” Kennedy said. “I actually decided to endorse her two weeks ago.”
Think about it. If someone created a website which allowed us to vote on one simple question, ‘are we bitter about how things have been going here in the United States’, do you think the happy campers would ‘win’ or do you think the Americans who are fed up, been pushed down, passed over and trickled on would outnumber those who prefer to wear blinders or blindly put a politician above the interests of their party or the interests of our country.
For Hillary to try to twist Obama’s words in this regard is beyond her normal campaign games, it’s an act of desperation. When more google for information on her pastor and spritual advisor, Doug Coe, they may come to realize it is all a game to her. When they google through all the campaign lies alone, whether it’s bullets flying, joining the Marines or simply her stands on issues, they will realize we’ll be the losers in these games.
If we want to discuss someone out of touch or elitist, think about the string of unpaid bills Clinton has left in every state she’s been in, bills owed to small vendors. Consider why one would fork out $26,000 for an orchestra for a fundraiser yet not pay her workers’ health insurance premiums for two months. Is that not elitist?
Bill is now trying to help Hillary again but he needs to clean up his own front porch first. His charities not only support Alibaba, Inc., accused of collaborating with the government in its crackdown on Tibetan activists, his scholarships finance schools in Dubai who won’t even accept Israeli students. These stories hit the news about the same time as Bill’s Columbian deal. Maybe this bittergate is simply wmd – weapon of mass distraction.
Was Bill’s taking advantage of a young girl in his employ not elitist? Was his putting himself above her interests, the interests of his family, the Democratic Party and our country somehow not elitist?
Perhaps Bill needs to do twenty years of community service in the south side of Chicago to get a grip on what constitutes an elitist.
Hillary needs to figure out which political party she works for. I have yet to hear her rally her people to vote Democrat no matter who wins the nomination. Not one word. I thought the whole idea was to beat McCain, not hand him on a silver platter 28% of the Democratic vote.
And btw, we were fooled by a beer drinking party guy trying to act like the common man before, look where it got us. If using that campaign game is not elitist, I’ll eat my hat.
Posted by: MsSwin | April 16, 2008, 6:45 pm 6:45 pm
OBAMA AND THE FLAG(s)
Does anyone recall, after all the posts about Obama’s lack of patriotism in not wearing a pin and not placing his hand over his heart, when Obama made his speech about how Wright was not Wrong?
He stood on that podium immersed in about eight swirling flags; I thought they were going to swallow him.
I thought too, that that was a cheap ‘shot’.
As for his campaigning in Florida when none of the other candidates did, it was was unfair and impolitic. And I was was reminded of the ways Barry had levelled the playing field in his last two elections in Illinois..
You can read about them in back issues of the Chicago Tribune, among other papers.
Posted by: eyes open | April 16, 2008, 6:51 pm 6:51 pm
“It should be about uniting all the various segments in American rather than divide them in Carl Rove fashion. It’s about beating John McCain.”
You CAN’T “unite” everything out of existence. There are REAL problems to be solved, which can only be done by choosing ONE way over the OTHER.
Obama’s “one America” blabla was mostly a put-down to the “two Americas” John Edwards was talking about. There very certainly ARE two Americas, and Barack Obama’s never strayed from the one that rules the other.
And it’s NOT “about beating John McCain”, who may well not BE the final Republican nominee. It’s about taking the Democratic Party back from the “post-partisan” error, and out of the hands of the present “leadership”, which would rather KEEP losing elections than disturb the plutocrats-only makeup of its platform and practice.
There are, for example, at least a MILLION people living in the streets NOW — not just the “veterans” the candidates bleat about, but women and CHILDREN. How many will be there when next winter comes? You can’t “unite” that, you’ve got to DO something about it — or NOT do something about it, and get ready for the full-tilt revolution the U.S. barely avoided in the 1930s.
There’s nothing about Obama (OR Clinton, for that matter) that suggests either of them has the stuff to deal with the real conditions outside the upper-middle-class media version of the U.S.
The best thing is to give BOTH these guys the hook, and nominate John Edwards. If he hadn’t been outspent 10-to-1, and sabotaged by the (corporate) media, Edwards already would BE the nominee.
Posted by: Belle Starr | April 16, 2008, 7:03 pm 7:03 pm
Hillary should be asked tonight to explain her “Screw them” 1995 comments. It would fair in light of the latest “bitter” controversy.
Posted by: Nellie | April 16, 2008, 7:13 pm 7:13 pm
The Chicago newspapers have investigated and exonerated Obama in any wrongdoing with Rezko.
The Canadian Government apologized to Obama for getting the NAFTA story wrong.
You people need to keep up.
Posted by: AkaDad | April 16, 2008, 7:14 pm 7:14 pm
Barack Obama often boasts he is “the only candidate who isn’t taking a dime from Washington lobbyists,” yet his fundraising team includes 38 members of law firms that were paid $138 million last year to lobby the federal government, records show.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-04-15-obama_N.htm
Posted by: Daa | April 16, 2008, 7:23 pm 7:23 pm
Of course Nellie, bring up statements made 13 years ago. If that is the case I am sure we could find some from Obama. Wait, he was a nobody until last year. Why can’t you people admit he was wrong?
Posted by: J | April 16, 2008, 7:23 pm 7:23 pm
Obama book “Dreams of my father” …. OMG ……… BARACK OBAMA HID HIS FATHER’S SOCIALIST AND ANTI-WESTERN CONVICTIONS FROM HIS READERS. Google it as read in capital above, and you will find out this fits in with the statement Obama made about people in small town clinging to religion. That was nothing more than a restatement of Karl Marx’s view that religion is the “opiate of the masses.” The mask is coming off Obama and it’s about time!
Posted by: Daa | April 16, 2008, 7:28 pm 7:28 pm
I think Obama would have had to stop spinning and i would have liked him more. I can’t stand the hyprocisy of him insisting his campaign is uplifting when I know it is based on a formidible attack and PR machine.
His inability to really express a knowledge of the issues and his obvious resentment and anger and lame attacks against Hillary make him less appealing than ever.
When ever he is “offscript” he continues raise questions about his ability to be “commander and cheif”.
The similarities to Bush in personality and arrogance astound me.
Posted by: Jackie | April 16, 2008, 10:07 pm 10:07 pm
aka dad….the Chicago papers have not “investigated and cleared” Obama of any wrongdoing. There is an ongoing trial on Rezco’s political corruption. As far as I know they have not charged any major politicians but the whole case could bring down the Governor of IL. And testimony put Obama and his wife at the scene of an Iraqi milliionare’s gathering with Rezko where some highly questionable under the table dealings were taking place….Both Obama and his wife are claiming amnesia about the 2004 event….kind of like Obama does not remember his real estate transaction with Rezko in 2005 …
This is just beginning not over by a long shot. Obama was definitely enriched by his association with Rezko. Even though Obama is claiming all his IL Senate records have disappeared…..no one really believes it and it’s not over.
Rezko-Wright-Obama 2008
Posted by: Jackie | April 17, 2008, 3:41 am 3:41 am
Don’t forget the comments Obama made on April 6th at a private fundraiser in San Francisco. There, the freshman Illinois senator, opining about people in small towns where the jobs have fled, said: “They get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”
“This is elitist behavior by Senator Obama,” says Schmidt (reporter). “The condescension Obama shows toward the values of people who are the backbone of America is very clear.”
Those few words, transcribed from a more than 45-minute recording of Obama, buried in the midst of a very ruminative, rather personally-oriented piece Mayhill Fowler, an activist blogger who supports Obama and contributed the maximum allowable $2,300 to his presidential campaign, kicked off a media firestorm.
“We recognized it was a politically volatile story and thought it would create news,” says Marc Cooper, editorial coordinator of Huffington Post’s “Off The Bus” project for “citizen journalists” such as Fowler. “We had no idea that the controversy would reach this magnitude.”
I GUESS THEY HAD NO IDEA SMALL-TOWN AMERICANS REALLY CARE ABOUT OUR BELIEFS, OUR COUNTRY AND OUR RIGHTS AS AMERICAN CITIZENS!
NO OBAMA — GO HILLARY!
Posted by: small-town-girl | April 17, 2008, 2:45 pm 2:45 pm
My hat is off to Charles Gibson for injecting some reality into these faux debates and demonstrating Obama’s blase ignorance of tax policy in the real world.
Most of the political class in the US would line up with Obama in their inability to learn from experience in Eastern Europe and the Bush tax cuts.
They are too wedded to their divisive mantras about the rich and to Marxist dogma. You would think they might have noticed Marxist politics and economics fail every time to deliver what they say. A country with people at the top who are unable to learn new tricks or deliver what they say they will is a country going the wrong way.
Posted by: Harry Schell | April 17, 2008, 4:12 pm 4:12 pm
If Barack wanted to go after all the dirty hands that the Clintons have touched a two hour debate wouldn’t be long enough. Last night was an poor use of our first amendment and a damaging night for the ABC News Team. Having seen as many debates as I have, it was an obvious setup. The pundents want this race to go on for the ratings. The outcome is already set, get used to the idea, it will be Barack Obama as the nominee. He has played by the rules, which a Clinton has no idea of such things.
Posted by: Lou - NH | April 17, 2008, 10:26 pm 10:26 pm
Because you work with Charlie Gibson, you will not mind communicating to him the disgust we feel toward a “journalist” who becomes a political operative for his side of the controversy, all the while claiming honorable intentions. The man is not worth the time of his broadcast.
In his defence, the whole profession has moved to a game of gossip for ratings, at the expense of the duty of reporting the truth of each story.
As a nation we are in bad shape, my friend. In no small part due to the news media’s derilection of duty. Otherwise, how could we have come to a place where a President can disreguard the separation of powers, conspire to destry the Treasury of the United States and suspend habeas corpus.
If you, in turn disreguard this email by excusing yourself and your network, then you some day will come to face your responsibility. May it not be too late.
Posted by: Wise Old Owl | April 20, 2008, 5:06 pm 5:06 pm
I like Hillary’s fluid and detailed explanations of good Democratic policy we need to take this country back for all of us who are not making out like its the Gilded Age again.
Posted by: Susan K | April 20, 2008, 5:32 pm 5:32 pm