N.C. Clinton Adviser Bashes Obama ‘Small Town’ Remarks While Introducing Bill
ABC News’ Sarah Amos reports that at North Carolina Wesleyan College in Rocky Mount, N.C., Clinton campaign North Carolina chieftain Tom Hendrickson, a former state party chair, made much hay out of the “small town” comments made by Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill.
Hendrickson was introducing former President Bill Clinton.
“I normally just come and talk about President Clinton and Senator Clinton at these, but today Senator Obama was out at a fundraiser at I guess a brie and chardonnay crowd in San Francisco,” Hendrickson said. “But his quote talking about small towns in Pennsylvania — and which applies to small towns across eastern North Carolina — which is why it is relevant to this tour we are doing today. And his quote is ‘and it is not surprising that they cling to guns and religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them, or anti-immigrant or anti-trade as a way to explain their frustration.’
“I listened to that quote and I got mad,” Hendrickson said, “and I wanted to reach out to Senator Obama and say senator, we are from the rural part of eastern North Carolina. We are very proud of our heritage, we are proud of who we are. We are not frustrated. We are not bitter. We turn to our faith because we believe, and we hunt and fish because it is part of our culture and we enjoy it.
“And we do that because that is who we are and I say that today because as this campaign goes on and on it is about choices, it is about change. We are going to hear the master in a little bit tell you what you, why, what you need to hear about his wife Hillary Clinton. But I wanted to take this time to mention this to you because you will hear more about this as time goes on and it is really time to really evaluate these candidates up close and personal.”
Amos points out that, interestingly, the crowd had little reaction at all. They, in fact, seemed a tad bored.
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This is just a bunch of garbage to take the heat off of what Bill said today regarding Bosnia. They want to get Bosnia out of the media since he put it back into the media today.
When you look at the entire part of the speech that is in question, you will find the truth.
The truth is that many of us are bitter and many of us have blamed immigrants among many other things as to why we are in this economic mess. But more importantly he stated that through the Clinton and Bushes administration politicians have promised and delivered nothing for the past 25 years, which is why people are bitter.
Now that is the truth of the matter and people ought to be pissed off at the way the Clintons and McCain are trying to spend this particular quote.
Not to mention the Clintons are millionaires, how could they possibly understand the small working man’s point of view. If they think people are not tired of the lies and promises of help, never to receive it, and do not become bitter in some form, they are the ones that are out of touch with reality, as ducking sniper-fire should prove to many.
Posted by: Angel | April 11, 2008, 10:02 pm 10:02 pm
Perhaps they were uninterested because this is a non-issue. Or perhaps the agree with Mr. Obama.
Posted by: Jams | April 11, 2008, 10:03 pm 10:03 pm
Or maybe they were entranced by the chance to listen to “the Master”!
What hogwash!
Of course there was no reaction. People are tired of Clintonistas trying to make hay out of every little snippet they can — and heck, doing such a bad job of it!!!
Obama 2008 — Yes, WE CAN!!!
Posted by: Jackt51 -- Vietnam Vet and Proud Liberal | April 11, 2008, 10:03 pm 10:03 pm
The Obama squad is always first to arrive. I think they are paid to monitor these forums. They are full of it as every real small town American will tell them.
Posted by: geevill | April 11, 2008, 10:06 pm 10:06 pm
Here is Obama again, trying to tie himself to the civil rights movement and to the common man. Yet, he and his family have no ties whatsoever to the civil rights movement (although he tried to LIE about it in Selma, alabama), and he has lived a privleged life, from his private school upbringing by his grandmother (the “typical white person” that he threw under the bus), to his affirmative action getting him into Harvard. then he goes to the illinois senate and does nothing except get involved with corruption and Rezko, and millionaire, and his wife is on the board of the university hospital , a non profit that made more than a 100 million, while millions went without health care. Obama knows NOTHING about being in touch with the working class, as he has only wanted to hob nob with the rich and Oprah, anything to get what he wants. He is a political opportunist, and the people of Penn and America, should be appalled. Why there are still supporters of this dangerous liar obama is beyond me, are you people just plain nuts????
Posted by: Justice | April 11, 2008, 10:07 pm 10:07 pm
I hope and pray that the people really do evaluate their candidates, then they will see the true colors of the Clintons.
I want to believe that many in the group felt exactly what Obama was saying, that they are bitter about losing thier jobs, not being able to care for their families properly, and losing their homes. Yes, and they should be bitter after 25 years of adminsitrations that allowed this to happen in the first place. I wish I were there, I would have stood up and told him, yes I am bitter that you allowed NAFTA to destroy our families, yes I am bitter because you, your wife, and your Penn are continuing your dirty behind the scene deals to cause thousands of families continue to lose their jobs with your Columbia friends.
They had better be glad I was not there, because I believe it is ok to not be politically correct, but honest regardless of the pain it may in flict, it will heal after the pain is over.
Posted by: Angel | April 11, 2008, 10:09 pm 10:09 pm
Oh, geevil, you post your Clintonista and McBush rants on here as much as anyone — except maybe West Coast Mess who’s a paid Clintonista!!!
Obama 2008 — Yes, WE CAN!!!
Posted by: Jackt51 -- Vietnam Vet and Proud Liberal | April 11, 2008, 10:12 pm 10:12 pm
Obama played commercials early on in the campaign trying to indicate that Clinton didn’t care about certain states because they had a poor record with women in government.
Throughout this campaign Clinton has not been allowed to fight back….Obama ran the first real negative campaign ad in SC where he stated that “She will say or do anything to get elected” At the same time his campaign was putting out memos calling Bill and Hillary racists…and Obama was claiming that Hillary and Bill were not racists ….and that he was he was being attacked…but noone knows exactly what attacks he was talking about….
So will the mainstream media allow Hillary to fight back against Obama or will we all go on pretending that he’s running a “positive” campaign when he has attacked her repeatedly on the stump and in ads and commercials?
You can characterize the Clinton’s as red faced and demonic all you want when your saying that Obama is elegant….It truly does work with public perception.
I for one don’t think we should allow the mainstream media to choose our president for us!
Posted by: Jackie | April 11, 2008, 10:12 pm 10:12 pm
Just because small town people won`t vote you, you insults them.
Too bad, Obama.
You will lose.
Posted by: Amy | April 11, 2008, 10:13 pm 10:13 pm
Tom Hendrickson can say “we” as often as he likes, but the simple fact is that he is NOT one of the folks Obama was talking about.
He may ‘represent’ them, or feel he does, according to the principles of our democracy. Obama’s point is that politicians have always stood up in elections for these folks, or represented them in the state of or the Senate, but that nevertheless nobody has DONE anything for these people that truly has made a difference in their lives.
Obama’s “they” is much more honest than Hendrickson’s “we” in that respect.
In the end I expect Obama will get a lot of praise for the way he has cut through the classic Democrat’s rhetorics that paint a portrait of rural America that is at least for the half of it nothing more than comfortable lie for those in power.
Posted by: Harriet | April 11, 2008, 10:14 pm 10:14 pm
People who think Obama is not rich ( you all are mistaken)
He made cloe to $1M last year and will easily make $3M this year with 2 books selling great.
Also he lives in a $1M plus mansion. Thanks to Rezko
His pastor too got a $1.6M mansion for retirement. I think he is the one who preached hatred and said US does not take care of poor … He is so poort. YOU RIGHT.
Obama will end up to be one of the richest politician in history when he reaches Hillary’s age.
So do not be jealous about Hillary.
Posted by: GS | April 11, 2008, 10:14 pm 10:14 pm
The people in the crowd may have seemed bored…but trust me NC and PA both rural and in the larger cities are started to hear Obama’s voice…..and it may not be the speeches and the “chicken in every pot” marketing job that his campaign has so carefully cultivated.
Why do you think they keep him so far away from the press?
Posted by: Jackie | April 11, 2008, 10:16 pm 10:16 pm
What’s with these people on the blogs…saying we’re not bitter, whose bitter, what’s this guy talking about? Meanwhile spewing all sorts of hate and bitterness. Obama is the only person who is going to fix these problems and yet people are looking for every reason to have him not help you…Instead elect the same losers that don’t fix anything. YOUR HATING THE ONLY PERSON THAT WILL HELP YOUR LIFE…HE WAS TRYING TO SHOW EMPATHY FOR RURAL COMMUNITIES…GET A GRIP.
Posted by: Dave | April 11, 2008, 10:30 pm 10:30 pm
al
I thought Obama was insulting ALL working class folks? Why did you specifically mention only white folks?
Posted by: Kevin | April 11, 2008, 10:35 pm 10:35 pm
When Sarah Amos has an opportunity to reconnect with her peers and the listeners at Weslayen read Obama’s exact words and learn the venue of his remarks, something tells me THAT will get their attention.
Posted by: s. valenti | April 11, 2008, 10:55 pm 10:55 pm
Why is it that when Sen. Obama (or surrogates like Rev. Wright) says something dumb, it was taken out of context; but when a Clinton/supporter says something dumb, they are evil, selfish, or a multitude of other insults. Many Obama supporters seem to be such enablers, excusing everything as his being “truthful.” Everything doesn’t have to be read or heard in its entirety. Sometimes soundbites or phrases DO reflect the true message. Obama’s campaign seems to becoming the Campaign of Excuses/Damage Control instead of change. Somehow, I don’t see him truly relating to rural Pennsylvanians considering his 20 year Rev. Wright and Rezko relationships.
Posted by: dwc | April 11, 2008, 10:55 pm 10:55 pm
TO THE MEDIA: Don’t even try to spin Obama’s remarks. Look at the venue where they were delivered – an audience of upscale California supporters. Obama has revealed his essential elitist nature – he’s arrogant, cynical and when we consider Michelle Obama’s statements – most of us average americans will “get” exactly what he meant. Can you tell I’m furious that this inexperienced, arrogant man has almost succeeded in pulling the wool over our eyes?
Posted by: s. valenti | April 11, 2008, 10:56 pm 10:56 pm
tell me a situation where context was needed for the clintons…
Posted by: dave | April 11, 2008, 10:58 pm 10:58 pm
Hey… I am from the rural Pacific Northwest… and Obama’s words felt insulting to me. In fact, Obama used “stereotypes” of Indiana and Pennsylvania to raise funds among the elite in San Francisco. That he spoke those words in front of that crowed just makes it worse… like the way Euro-Americans talk about Native Americans… or any ethnic group that is perceived as THE OTHER. I guess Obama did not learn so much on his 6-day “listening” bus tour in Pennsylvania.
Posted by: Nickberry | April 11, 2008, 10:58 pm 10:58 pm
Obama calls us Racist, he Calls us Frustrated.
His adjectives are getting bigger is that a sign and omen of great things to come?
What will he call us next?
Maybe he is just looking for away out of the race.
Posted by: seah | April 11, 2008, 11:00 pm 11:00 pm
Maybe i’m someone whose grown up seeing every politician say the same thing, and nothing ever get fixed…and yet people continue to believe that these same jokers are the answer…Then someone comes along who is unconventional and says things that don’t pander to what people want to hear, but what needs to be said…And YES have faith in someone like that…Do i think he is flawless…no way…no politician is…But why believe the pander once again.
Posted by: Dave | April 11, 2008, 11:10 pm 11:10 pm
“I normally just come and talk about President Clinton and Senator Clinton at these, but today Senator Obama was out at a fundraiser at I guess a brie and chardonnay crowd in San Francisco,” Hendrickson said.
YEEEEEEEOUCH! Perfect remark in response to the arrogance of Obama.
I saw the pictures of the Getty Mansion he was at for his fund raiser (was this where he made this hateful statement? at the Getty fund raiser? or was it a different Multi-Millionaire?)). He had to sneak in the back door. He didn’t want to be seen by any bitter losers from PA. or NC. I saw all the multi-millionaires attending too.
He’s such a fake. He tries to portray himself as an everyday Joe when he’s nothing but an arrogant snob.
Posted by: Vickie | April 11, 2008, 11:12 pm 11:12 pm
Angel:
Did you know that the Clintons were the poorest people to occupy the White House in the last century?
Did you know that Bill Clinton generated a period of economic growth and stability unknown in the last half century? That he took the US Treasury from a tremendous deficit and turned it around so that for the first time in eons, we actually had a surplus?
Did you know that until B O came along, he was loved and revered by millions?
Did you know that Bill Clinton was considered more than just a friend of the African Americans; he was considered the “First Black President” until Teflon Man came along?
Did you know that Bill and Hillary have never NOT shown up at a memorial service for Martin Luther King…. although though Obama was unable to make it because he was too busy campaigning?
Did you know that Barack Obama won his senate seat in Illinois and his U S Senate seat by excising his competition from the from the electoral ledger by deleterious, dirty means.
(You can check this out at the Chicago Tribune if you’d like…)
Did you know that Obama permitted Rezko to rent unheated apartments in his broken down tenements to poor Black families under his watch? And did you know that Rezko claimed he didn’t have money to heat the buildings…. but he had enough to give to Obama?
Do you really think he is a friend of all African Americans? or is he just using you to access the White House?
Do you really truly feel that Obama’s first love… after G-d and family… is this United States of America?
Do you truly trust his patriotism?
Are you sure that Barack Obama, if he ever won this race, wouldn’t sell out his country to the highest bidder?
Be careful WHO you vote for, and WHY.
Be very very careful
Posted by: questioner | April 11, 2008, 11:12 pm 11:12 pm
The only person IN THE RACE that will help…that’s what was meant…I don’t do religion, it is pretty divisive.
Posted by: Dave | April 11, 2008, 11:12 pm 11:12 pm
When addressing wealthy donors in San Francisco, Obama said this about those who are struggling economically:
“And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations”
This made me think about Michelle Obama’s assertion that “our souls are broken” and that Barack is the only person who can “heal” this country.
We are broken and bitter, pathetically clinging to our guns and religion, but relax–the Obama’s have the diagnosis and the cure.
I got mad at first too, but don’t take it personally, its not about us; its all about them. That’s why Michelle is finally proud. The arrogance is stunning.
Posted by: NJH | April 11, 2008, 11:14 pm 11:14 pm
Yah, that Obama is a quick study: “I’m in touch. I know exactly what’s going on. I know what’s going on in Pennsylvania. I know what’s going on in Indiana. I know what’s going on in Illinois.” Remember that it took him only a three-week vacation (or was it two?) in Pakistan to develop more international relations experience and understanding than any other candidate.
He’s right that “People are fed up.” Lots of us are fed up with his arrogant posturing and disdain for us “typical white people.”
I’m personally fed up and frustrated by him and agree with the poster, JustOneChris, that Obama is a “patronizing, pandering and anti-American jerk. …absolutely the slick, Chicago-style politician he appears to be. He is not something different, something new or something better.”
Posted by: R. Lamb | April 11, 2008, 11:30 pm 11:30 pm
Obama once again proves he’s a racist anti-American traitor. What a disgraceful human being.
Posted by: jim | April 11, 2008, 11:36 pm 11:36 pm
geevill – I am from a small town and you don’t need to be speaking for me. Obama may not have articulated his remarks if SF as well as he did tonight in IN., but the reason there is so much anguish in these small towns is due to NAFTA. That NAFTA award goes to both of the Clintons. People can rant about Obamas word choice, but the culprit is/are the Clintons. People are bitter and should be – the CLintons have done nothing for small-town America….Just ask Mark Penn.
Posted by: Paige | April 11, 2008, 11:36 pm 11:36 pm
Mr Hendrickson… is absolutely dead on!!!! I am from NC and know some Dem Party operatives down in that part of the state and that will make their blood boil! Not to mention the most famous one John Edwards….. that is a slap at people in small-town middle america… it cant be spun otherwise… I wish that the Clintons had take Obama more seriously but there is still time to stop this madness….hes gettign away with way too much talk that gets played over and over
Posted by: Stan Grose | April 11, 2008, 11:43 pm 11:43 pm
OK, the bowling didn’t go well.
No need to trash the whole state! THE PA DEMOCRATS THAT ARE PRO HILLARY ARE NOT BITTER AND THEY ARE THE MAJORITY. If you are so concerned, why didn’t you tell the PA voters in their faces what you think. Your comments are only a lame excuse to explain to one of your billionaire donors your failure in “converting” the democrats in PA to the “Obama Cult.” YOU ARE THE LOSER AND THE BITTER, NOT THEM. PEOPLE ONLY SEE IN OTHERS A REFLECTION OF WHAT THEY ARE? But let’s see, apparently you are in trouble since FINALLY ONE OF YOUR RICH DONORS IS THINKING. Why don’t you explain to all of us the intentions of these rich CA donors in the state of PA; what they want you to accomplish for them in PA? YOU ARE AN HYPOCRITE, PATHOLOGICAL ARROGANT LIAR!
Posted by: Definitely Common Sense | April 11, 2008, 11:44 pm 11:44 pm
To everyone who is posting that the comments Obama made in SF were arrogant, will hurt him, or were elitist words to appeal to a rich audience: better bust on over to the Huffington Post and watch the video of Obama making the same comments to what appears to be a white working class audience in Terra Haute, Indiana. They gave him a standing ovation.
Posted by: Richard | April 11, 2008, 11:44 pm 11:44 pm
Mr. Hendrickson sound like a terrible opportunist.
Anything better than the Clinton’s “Two-Headed President” Solution for America.
Except for John McCain, no need to say.
Posted by: kathy | April 11, 2008, 11:49 pm 11:49 pm
It’s not about bitterness it’s about this:
‘and it is not surprising that they cling to guns and religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them, or anti-immigrant or anti-trade as a way to explain their frustration.’
He is saying that the CAUSE of folks belief in GOD, their support for guns/hunting, stances against Free Trade (which btw, being against free trade is DEMOCRATIC core belief so why is Obama dissing it?), reticence to accept more illegal immigrants who are being exploited by big business even as they depress American wages (another core DEMOCRATIC belief unless you believe in exploiting workers), and apparent embrace racism or fear of “others” (something Senator Obama decided to tar small town folks with just for fun I suppose) is DUE to being bitter about the economy.
He simultaneously insults folks by calling them ignorant racists while dismissing their belief in God as something they simply cling to because they are frustrated. It doesn’t get more arrogant than that.
Posted by: jb | April 11, 2008, 11:55 pm 11:55 pm
New Yorker,
Our rural heritage is the very foundation of this country. Obama would speak of this in a condescending manner so as to reduce it to irrelevance at best, and bitterness at worst.
You can have your elite Senator from Harvard, who speaks like a fool.
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Obama, you are no longer fooling anyone!
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Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | April 12, 2008, 12:02 am 12:02 am
Mr. obama the uniter-seems to be tearing all of us a new one.
All I see here is obama has handlers who pretty much tell what to say-because he does not know what the issues are.
and anytime he has a chance to speak off the cuff-he messes up. and has to backtrack.
black people blindly supporting obama
have torn the black community apart.and now he has rural small town people at each other-just read some of the other comments.
black against black
rural whites against rural whites
black churches against black churches
moderate dems against liberal dems
by the time he gets to the white house
he will be up there giving is weak rodney king “Can we all just get along speech”
this guy is bad news-I am from the black commununity (spent 14 years in the city)
and 17 years in rural town-2500
I didn’t see any of the people he described.
( you could almost get the picture of the people in deliverance in mind)
I hope the people in pa and all other small towns left to vote tell mr obama what they think of him.
if you would like to see the most recent prominent black who has bit the dust because they dared to support hillary. tavis Smiley.
if obama gets into the white house
he and his left wing-elitest people will not be affected by this further divide that has been created.
the people who will suffer will be the people on the street in the middle class communities-and their solution will not be to help people start business-or to be self-reliant-no he will come up with something that his cronies can mismanage-and the people will continue to suffer.
obama will not get this black vote
read about tavis and other black supporters of hillary.
Jake there is a BIG story there if you care to check into it.-I wish someone would bring it to the national stage.
too many good people died for blacks to have the right to vote-to have is messed over like this.
obama did not grow up having the american black experience.
if people can question if john maccain is a naturalized citizen-I do not understand why black people cannot say obama is not black in the sense of the majority of black american-he didn’t go through being bussed-
the only thing he has said is “I have trouble hailing a cab too”
well from what I can read in his bio
america has been pretty good to obama
Hillary has the anwers to what ails the us. today. not this underqualified
“uniter” today hillary announced another of her plans to help put the country back on track-I am sure obama will be making a speech soon-and we will hear some of hillary plan again.
obama will not win the white house
no fl, no mi, no hillary supporters,
and now no rural people in the states.
no wonder he has become the best candidate money can buy.
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/58239
Posted by: jgaw | April 12, 2008, 12:05 am 12:05 am
Well we can let Hillary have a little fun until she returns to the long suffering, I am for you, frustrated by the Democratic Party, bitter candidate
Posted by: Thinking | April 12, 2008, 12:06 am 12:06 am
Here all this time I thought I went to church because of my faith…turns out I’m just poor and bitter.
Thank you, oh mighty Obama, for explaining to us little folks why we “cling” to our ridiculous local heritage.
Posted by: DK | April 12, 2008, 12:06 am 12:06 am
Right, so the rest of us are supposed to be swayed because Obama tried to change the subject at a pro-Obama rally in front of “get me more white people, we need more white people” audience.
Please.
Obama is a genius at stating the obvious: people are upset and what change. Standing ovation for that? Wonder why he left out the stuff about religion, guns, and immigration in Indiana.
Obama is fooling anybody himself and the Obamabots. This is one thing he can’t escape with a speech in front of a sympathetic audience.
Posted by: DK | April 12, 2008, 12:32 am 12:32 am
SO… WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO GOOD OLDE
‘BARRY”.
Obama is a cold, calculating sweet talking politician!
To win the election for state senator of Illinois , he made sure that his opponents were handily eliminated… because he knew he’d never win otherwise.
To win the election for the US Senate, Obama played the same dirty game; only the names of the characters were changed in regard to the people “done in”.
This is Not a “made up” story (though it certainly reads like one). Look it up in the Chicago Tribune if you dare…..in fact, you SHOULD!
The election of 2008 is NOT a GAME!
The United States is in the throes of a deep recession.
People cannot afford to pay their mortgages, and thousands of homes are lost every day.
People are losing their jobs and their medical benefits…. and their pride.
Fifty percent of our teen agers are leaving school before they graduate.
We are fighting a war which seems to have no end.
The ideas emanating from Baracka’s mouth when viable… have already been offered by Hillary.
He has generated one of the dirtiest
campaigns I have every seen and is out once again to destroy his competition in any sneaky dirty underhanded way he can.. But he is just the bandleader; the posters and trolls like you do most of the heavy lifting.
Do you really think that the masses of citizens in this country WANT to be led by a chief whose very patriotism is questionable?
Do you honestly feel that this newby effectively deal with the tremendous burden of woes currently facing our nation… with Michelle at his side and Mr. Wright at his back, and with other, even more questionable characters at his table?
This is not about race, although he would like us to think that it is; we have already had a black president and didn’t even realize it!
But Harding didn’t play the race card.
In any case, it’s your vote to make.
But when you do, be very very careful.
As for me, I’ll take Clinton!
Posted by: questioner | April 12, 2008, 12:49 am 12:49 am
Its starting to frighten me, the blind support for Obama. I think certain Americans especially the left in America have lost their minds. Has anyone else noticed both Clinton and Obama have been caught in numerous lies, yet they get a free pass?(Obama especially). Is this not troubling to anyone? Clinton:Sniper fire and Opposing NAFTA and free trade. Obama:Not knowing his racist America hating paster was a Racist America Hater, Tony Rezko….hmm?? Doesn’t this bother anyone else besides Conservatives that both of these people are lying through their teeth?
Posted by: Ray | April 12, 2008, 12:53 am 12:53 am
I am so tired of ABC taking sides. “The crowd had no reaction at all. In fact they seemed a tad bored.” How does Amos know what the crowd is thinking. Perhaps they are mystified by the story they have just heard and don’t know the particulars. They don’t know how to react…they are waiting to find out more. I certainly can’t follow this story very well…it is unclear but obviously ABC is trying to spin it.
Tapper, get some journalistic integrity and report instead of mind reading and spinning. Quit trying to push Obama down our throats.
Posted by: Two-cats | April 12, 2008, 12:57 am 12:57 am
Democrats accusing each other of class warfare is laughable, leave the flaming throwing to conservatives. Hill’s NC advisor tried to score some points with the crowd and in return the crowed showed no interest. You know why? because no one cares. Obama was making a valid point, if people would read the full context of his SF speech they would agree with the senator. Many Americans are bitter and mad. Hell, i am mad that so many jobs are being out-sourced year-after-year, thanks to Hill and Bill’s NAFTA.
Posted by: Mark | April 12, 2008, 1:01 am 1:01 am
The Clintons are crooks trying to sell America. Wake up everyone… we can vote for more than the same two families…. the terrorists won’t get us just because our presidents last name is not Bush or Clinton. Lets move on…
Posted by: Concerned Mother | April 12, 2008, 1:02 am 1:02 am
uninterested and bored? so why the column? this is a yawner…
ps: i do believe, however, that the quote expresses urban smugness about rural people. obama may not want to admit it, but the uptown “liberal” crowd knows how to express their biases as policy preferences. just look at the massive decline of persons of color in the san fran area — due to gentrification, land use policies and financial practices that disparately harm poor people. take a look at the virtually segregated suburban and private schools the liberals send their kids too – and the neighborhoods in which they live. they are soooo cool, voting for a black man. but they are also such hypocrites.
Posted by: tony | April 12, 2008, 1:09 am 1:09 am
Trash talk, desperation, small-minded Clinton-McCain politics. You trash this man and you are erasing any hope of real change in our politics. Do you really think Sen. Clinton will bring CHANGE? You’ve gotta be joking. It’ll be polarity, under-the-table deals with corporations, same old crap we’re all so tired of. Don’t do this to yourselves. Give change at least a chance to come around. Don’t trash your own interests.
Posted by: Dennis | April 12, 2008, 1:10 am 1:10 am
angel — i hate to tell you but xenophobia and anti-immigrant sentiment existed long time before the clintons were even born. ever heard of the “asian exclusion acts” or other quotas on asian immigration? what about slavery? people were also “bitter” before clinton — and in fact, they were actually happy after he left office. clinton’s approval numbers were around 65 percent. both you and obama are doing some nice distorting of history.
Posted by: tony | April 12, 2008, 1:13 am 1:13 am
TO THE MEDIA: Don’t even try to spin these remarks.
Look at the venue where they were delivered – an audience of upscale California supporters.
Obama has revealed his essential elitist nature – he’s arrogant, cynical and when we consider Michelle Obama’s statements – most of us average americans will “get” exactly what he meant the first time.
Posted by: Voter in small-town America | April 12, 2008, 1:19 am 1:19 am
Truth hurts, doesn’t it? If the Americans were not bitter, why do 68% said this country is in the wrong track? Why is the consumer sentiment is in all time low 28 out of 100? Why is Bush’s approval rating at all time low 28%? Now a politician came out and spoke the truth, the right-wing media jump all over. You know what? If you like liars like Clinton and Bush, vote for them and you deserve the consequences: impeachment, war, national debt. Politicians give lies because people like them.
Posted by: DanielD | April 12, 2008, 1:21 am 1:21 am
What ever happened to real journalism where the facts were reported? We now have to read personal opinions in mainstream press? ABC News, what has happened? The below is an opinion, not news.
“Amos points out that, interestingly, the crowd had little reaction at all. They, in fact, seemed a tad bored.”
Posted by: Texas Voter | April 12, 2008, 1:27 am 1:27 am
God forbid a comment by Obama or his pastor get misinterpreted by a MSM and thin-skinned group of hypocrites. That is SOOOO much worse than LYING – bald-faced unabashed – to the American public many, many times.
Democrats (I’m a lifelong one, BTW) have had 2 responses to the Clinton lying, destruction, scorch-the-earth-before-losing machine.
1) Disgust that we have been fooled by their manipulative, lying ways. I will not be fooled again by the Clinstones.
2) Denial and blind lashing out at everyone and anyone. It’s NEVER Shrillary’s fault. She has NEVER admitted to a mistake – she’s too busy lying to know what the truth really is.
The Democratic party has 2 paths here:
1) Embrace the movement and gain an entire generation of youth while casting off an old generation, or
2) Turn your back on an entire generation of youth who will not forget what the Democratic party has done to their idealism and hope for change.
Posted by: Brian | April 12, 2008, 1:28 am 1:28 am
When in nc,at one of michelle obama’s events, the organizers were heard to say”we need more white people here.” so they moved people around from where they were sitting to have more white faces in the front.
What would have happened if hillary’s people had said that about blacks! who is playing the race card and getting away with it?
Posted by: pp | April 12, 2008, 1:29 am 1:29 am
Hillary misleads voters. Hillary Clinton has made statements unequivocally trumpeting NAFTA as the greatest thing since sliced bread. The Buffalo News reports that back in 1998, Clinton attended the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, and thanked praised corporations for mounting “a very effective business effort in the U.S. on behalf of NAFTA.” Yes, you read that right: She traveled to Davos to thank corporate interests for their campaign ramming NAFTA through Congress.
On November 1, 1996, United Press International reported that on a trip to Brownsville, Texas, Clinton “touted the president’s support for the North American Free Trade Agreement, saying it would reap widespread benefits in the region.”
The Associated Press followed up the next day noting that Hillary Clinton touted the fact that “the president would continue to support economic growth in South Texas through initiatives such as the North American Free Trade Agreement.”
In her memoir, Clinton wrote, “Senator Dole was genuinely interested in health care reform but wanted to run for president in 1996. He couldn’t hand incumbent Bill Clinton any more legislative victories, particularly after Bill’s successes on the budget, the Brady bill and NAFTA.”
Nobody can argue that the biggest problem with health care in the United States are pharmaceuticals and insurers. Hillary Clinton became the second largest recipient in the Senate of health care industry contributions. “As she runs for re-election to the Senate from New York this year and lays the groundwork for a possible presidential bid in 2008, Mrs. Clinton is receiving hundreds of thousands of dollars in campaign contributions from doctors, hospitals, drug manufacturers and insurers. Nationwide, she is the No. 2 recipient of donations from the industry, trailing only Senator Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania, a member of the Republican leadership.” Raymond Hernandez and Robert Pear, “Once an Enemy, Health Industry Warms to Clinton,” New York Times, July 12, 2006. Lastly, her vote for the Iraq war was the greatest error in judgement for the health of thousands of U.S. men and women in uniform. Not to mention the health of millions of Iraqis.
Posted by: Matt | April 12, 2008, 1:31 am 1:31 am
So we can all take that phrase and harp on it, or we could be rational and read his entire speech. It’s here on this page, posted by “annabella.” Find it.
…Even if it looks as though that kind of critical reading is a little too sophisticated for the “small-town” and “big-city” folk. In fact, we’d rather prove Obama’s supposedly absurd point by bickering over one sentence ripped from its context!
Posted by: see | April 12, 2008, 1:32 am 1:32 am
As a southern from NC, I’m very disappointed at such comments from Obama. Personally he was my candidate of choice. He needs to rethink being small minded. Not all southerns are the same just like the rest of the country we are very much diverse. Personally this comment comes from stupidity on his part…most of America is made of small towns spread all over. This comment isn’t just about southerns. Southerns are seen as uneducated and stupid. A lot of us are educated and are very intelligent individuals. We will be thinking come election day…I’m sure of that. As far as religion goes…I hope he’s in touch with God during this time of his career because this country has been taken down a path that I truly believe needs a lot of healing.
Posted by: donna | April 12, 2008, 1:34 am 1:34 am
President Barack Obama. Get used to it folks.
Posted by: Linda | April 12, 2008, 1:39 am 1:39 am
Brian, you might want to get your facts straight. Half of bho contributions have been from big time corporate types that have worked to “bundle” contributions to his campaign, usually at the $2300 max(reported yesterday). only half they money is from the average person.
and bho has lied, and evaded, the truth at every turn. this covers rezko, his real affiliation with wright and the church–see their basic beliefs expected of their parishners– his blatant racism, his lack of allegiance to this country–as well as his wife’s distain–and the list could go on. you may choose to dub him saint bho, but his is no saint, nor is he worthy of the presidency of this country.
Posted by: pp | April 12, 2008, 1:39 am 1:39 am
If CNN is calling McCain and Hillary ridiculous for their dishonesty, that pretty much says it all.
Posted by: AkaDad | April 12, 2008, 1:45 am 1:45 am
how about some context. he was answering a question — that i cant seem to find anywhere. anyone know they asked?
OBAMA: So, it depends on where you are, but I think it’s fair to say that the places where we are going to have to do the most work are the places where people feel most cynical about government. The people are mis-appre…I think they’re misunderstanding why the demographics in our, in this contest have broken out as they are. Because everybody just ascribes it to ‘white working-class don’t wanna work — don’t wanna vote for the black guy.’ That’s…there were intimations of that in an article in the Sunday New York Times today – kind of implies that it’s sort of a race thing.
Here’s how it is: in a lot of these communities in big industrial states like Ohio and Pennsylvania, people have been beaten down so long, and they feel so betrayed by government, and when they hear a pitch that is premised on not being cynical about government, then a part of them just doesn’t buy it. And when it’s delivered by — it’s true that when it’s delivered by a 46-year-old black man named Barack Obama (laugher), then that adds another layer of skepticism (laughter).
But — so the questions you’re most likely to get about me, ‘Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What’s the concrete thing?’ What they wanna hear is — so, we’ll give you talking points about what we’re proposing — close tax loopholes, roll back, you know, the tax cuts for the top 1 percent. Obama’s gonna give tax breaks to middle-class folks and we’re gonna provide health care for every American. So we’ll go down a series of talking points.
But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there’s not evidence of that in their daily lives. You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. So it’s not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.
Um, now these are in some communities, you know. I think what you’ll find is, is that people of every background — there are gonna be a mix of people, you can go in the toughest neighborhoods, you know working-class lunch-pail folks, you’ll find Obama enthusiasts. And you can go into places where you think I’d be very strong and people will just be skeptical. The important thing is that you show up and you’re doing what you’re doing.
Posted by: 2dumb2think | April 12, 2008, 1:55 am 1:55 am
Hillary said, Pennsylvania needs someone “…who works hard for your futures, your jobs, your families.”
Is that why, Hillary, your chief advisor is making backdoor deals with Columbian government to ship our jobs to them?
HILLARY “sniper-fire” CLINTON IS A HYPOCRITE AND A LIAR. SHE TOO DARN SELFISH TO DO ANYTHING GOOD FOR THIS COUNTRY.
Posted by: Dave | April 12, 2008, 2:02 am 2:02 am
Obama showed his true colors in this speech. He doesn’t understand the people of small-town America, and rather than spend some time with them and try to understand what makes them tick, he hangs out in bucolic San Francisco and throws out his own homespun analysis: going to church and owning guns are weird behaviors that are signs of bitterness. Being opposed to rampant immigration that is overcrowding our schools and straining our services is some kind of a pathology caused by the same bitterness. The possibility that people might have positive reasons for these things – they might actually believe in God, they might own guns because they enjoy hunting, they might feel that it’s in America’s best interests to control its borders – is completely lost on him. He simply can’t relate to the small-town American.
Posted by: jm | April 12, 2008, 2:02 am 2:02 am
BLACK DUDE FOR CLINTON AND AGAINST OBAMA….
In the past I have voted for individuals I did not support. I was a Bradley fan. I was a Dean fan. I was somewhat undecided in 1992, but I supported Jesse during both of his runs. I did not vote for Clinton in 1996 because I was angry with welfare reform. I am able to separate the two Clintons, however. A woman is not an extension of her husband.
In the past, I was able to vote for the winning nominee, because the campaigns were not so nasty, hateful, and unfair. Although Bradley lost, the media did not really portray him in horrendous terms. Dean, I concede, received a lot of awful and unfair press. The Dean Scream was a complete media invention, and it slandered a great candidate. I was angry with the Democrats for falling for this madness. I saw a Karl Rove conspiracy; the Republicans said they preferred Dean, and the Democrats and the “liberal” media fell for it. Now, the Republicans say they want Clinton, and the media and the Democrats have fallen for it. The difference, however, is one of degree. The media and Obama’s supporters have portrayed Clinton in completely unflattering terms, but she maintains a large volume of supporters. I think this shows how strong a candidate she actually is. On some level Bradley was flat, and Dean was a little “sporadic.” But Clinton is a pretty straight shooter. The media, however, have done nothing but seek bad news about her. Even recently, they rushed a story calling her a “liar” concerning a campaign story that portrayed an uninsured woman’s plight with health care. Although Clinton never mentioned the woman’s or the hospital’s name, a particular hospital denied the story — and without even verifying anything, the headlines portrayed her as lying – “yet again.” Turns out, the woman had several hospital visits and indeed was refused care by another hospital due to lack of insurance and $100. The woman’s family and the sheriff who told Clinton the story have confirmed its validity. Rather than seeking to validate the truth, the media rushed to brand her a liar.
Things like this have happened throughout the campaign. Obama’s “lies” and “distortions” receive very little attention. This is patently unfair. The Democrats are supposed to be “fair.” Because they are not — I refuse to support them anymore (add Florida and Michigan to this analysis — and my opinion becomes even more forceful). The lack of fairness contradicts everthing the party claims to support, including the “narrative” advanced by Obama and his supporters. He is a “dignified” and “righteous” individual — getting success in large part based on the most vitriolic sexism I have seen in US political history. If Democrats do not take a stand against this, then who will? If Democrats do not take a stand against this, then why are we any better than the Republicans?
As a civil rights activist, I cannot endorse a party that embraces sexism, that portrays a black man as the “post-racial” answer to their guilt, and that dismisses poor voters and Latinos as universally racist, uneducated and therefore lacking judgment. I refuse to support a party that views lifetime involvement with the Democratic party negatively — as presenting “more of the same.” I refuse to vote for a party that devalues the wisdom of an older generation of voters who have spent their entire lives trying to make change: saying they are “stuck in the past” is childish and petty. Obama and his followers have all said these things. But these are not my values. So, denying Obama my vote is not about being a “sore loser”; instead, it is a principled decision based on a lifetime of work.
Proud Democratic Defector
Posted by: tony | April 12, 2008, 2:05 am 2:05 am
“About 1.17 million Pennsylvanians were receiving food stamps as of February, said Linda Blanchette, deputy secretary for income maintenance at the state Department of Public Welfare.
That’s up 4.4 percent from 1.12 million in the 2006-07 fiscal year. More than 56,000 people a month applied for food stamps between March of last year and February, the department said.
“Pennsylvania is not one of the states that is technically at a record high, but it’s very close,” said Dorothy Rosenbaum, senior policy analyst at the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities in Washington. ”
So in a world out of their control, some people draw closer to them things which they feel they can control, and that which they feel will protect them. And since the Republicans and NeoCons created this economic mess, is it any surprise they are trying to run away from the blame? Obama is right, even with the symbols he uses to describe the pain of the Pennsylvanians he is going to be able to help.
As much as white America has to let itself warm up to the idea of a brave and intelligent biracial black man, it also is learning to accept he is more their friend than foe. That while he is a millionaire, he does not have the 100 million of McCain or Clinton. That he has taken a grassroots movement and turned it into a very successful $240 million dollar organization in barely one year. From people whose voices and needs are closer to their own daily lives, rather than well connected wealthy who pay a lower percentage of taxes than the average Pennsylvanian.
Posted by: kravitz | April 12, 2008, 2:07 am 2:07 am
stay the course for christ. he is knows what is going on. he is at work and we don’t know the detail. but we are on the winning side.
by and large, the public is dumb about obama and those dumb ones vote. so the mania continues. but the lord has a way of getting in his omega’s last word. of course.
Posted by: Democrat | April 12, 2008, 2:07 am 2:07 am
Facts: Obama lied twice in print
about Hilary in Ohio;
An Obama adviser told the
Canadians not to worry about NAFTA
because it’s just fine as it is at
this point in time
Obama has illegally accepted
money from oil companies to finance
his campaign
Obama is friends with the
Pentagon bomber from earlier days
Obama has called the flag
“an empty symbol”
But, now…now…he has attacked
small town Americans’ typical
attachment to either guns, religion,
social beliefs or all three of those.
When you start attacking somebody’s
religion personally, and, if their
religion isn’t destructive to America,
then, you’ve gone where you should
not have and I believe this will show
up in the vote count.
Obama should not have knocked
small town whites if for no other
reason than he should get his own
people under control first.
Facts: 3 out of every 4
criminals is black;
Black Americans have
received far more help from the U.S.
government than any other ethnic
group—just ask any Jewish person
or American Indian;
And, another fact tying in
with the first one: There is no
excuse for 3 of every 4 criminals
being black, because, there are more
hispanics than blacks, and, more
hispanics and Appalachians and Gypsies
and American Indians and Pacific
Islanders are in poverty than you can
count, and, their communities are not
nearly as high in criminality as are
the black communities.
So, Obama should get his own people
under control before attempting to
verbally ransack the culture of white,
small town America.
By the way, it was the primarily
white states (i.e.–the Western
States) that gained Obama loads
of his vote, and, the small
town thing would ring heavily in
those states.
Speaking of which, Obama has gained
ground for two reasons: because the
five heavily black Southern states
overwhelmingly voted for him and that
is understandable. But, the rest is
because of the Western States, and,
Hilary did not campaign in almost all
of them, so, Obama’s current vote
count status is not based on power.
There are three types of people in
their view of Obama: those who are
stupid enough to believe in him; those
who are afraid to scold him because
he’s black and they don’t want to be
accused of racism, and, a combination
of both types. Does some of this mean
Geraldine Ferraro is correct???
Posted by: GaryFAJC | April 12, 2008, 2:08 am 2:08 am
GaryFAJC,
The only “fact” I see in your entire post is the first word. Was that supposed to be a joke or irony? BO didn’t say a word about whites, why are you making this into a race thing?
And why do Clinton lovers give Bill credit for the economy in the 90s? Anybody with half a brain knows that the Congress was Republican at a time when they were actually reasonably fiscally conservative. The dot com boom was the main reason our economy was good. Perhaps Al Gore should get all the credit since he invented the internet? Certainly the Clintons had little to do with it.
Laura Bush in 2012!
Posted by: Brian | April 12, 2008, 2:27 am 2:27 am
I’m a Republican. Here’s my take: Obama will be the nominee, he’s fatally flawed.
Going to SF, in front of Billionaires, and talking about rural and small town people as bigoted Deliverance type folks, with “religion as the opiate of the masses” just beneath the surface, is suicide.
Remember, this is self-inflicted. Obama is an angry Black Nationalist, with a long history of radicalism (his Father was a Communist who hated Whites and Asians, his mother a hippie, his mentor “Frank” another Communist) that Rev. God Damn America just scratches the surface.
As the campaign goes on and on, it’s not just one thing, it’s a hundred. All adding up to the terrible visuals and audio that will play endlessly on viral videos.
McCain is an angry old man detested by his base. And he’ll still win. At least people know he loves America. Obama can’t even pass THAT bar.
Obama lost PA to Dems this fall. Probably most of the Midwest outside Cook County too. If Dems had run someone like Webb it would have been a tidal wave of Dem victories. Thanks Dems!
Instead we’re looking at how many Blue Dogs get defeated. My feeling is most of them.
Posted by: Jim Rockford | April 12, 2008, 2:31 am 2:31 am
I’m glad this happened. It shows just how in touch Obama is with average folks and what’s really going on.
Posted by: AkaDad | April 12, 2008, 2:34 am 2:34 am
Wow, people are willfully misinterpreting Obama’s remarks. I agree it wasn’t artfully expressed but it’s clear he wasn’t saying people literally hold onto their guns and their own personal religious beliefs because they’re bitter. He was talking about the “gun issue” and “religious issues” (such as gay marriage, etc) that are continually used as political wedge issues, and that some people cling to these issues when they feel they are not being heard on larger issues that affect their lives such as jobs, the economy…
He may not have expressed it very well (he was speaking casually. It was not a written speech) but it’s clear he is now being deliberately misinterpreted by some people for political purposes, attempting to make it seem he was denigrating guns and religion (ironically, exactly the kind of simple-minded political divisiveness he was railing against).
Posted by: Lisa | April 12, 2008, 2:41 am 2:41 am
just an observation, but is telling someone, “keep drinking the kool-aid” condescending? And if it is, could you also assume when one is condescending, they can sometimes be viewed as elitist, maybe even cocky?
I find it comical that the very things Obama is being criticized for are the very same things done by his critics.
Posted by: Ed S | April 12, 2008, 2:44 am 2:44 am
Tony, Your 2:05 message was a great read. I am glad that you wrote so eloquently what many of us feel.
Posted by: irma | April 12, 2008, 2:53 am 2:53 am
According to John McCain, eccession is lnot looming; The economy is not experiencing problems. He is out of touch like George Bush
Posted by: james | April 12, 2008, 2:54 am 2:54 am
Now all the Obama lovers will try to deny this one. Pray the big GOD of liberal media makes it go away.
This one comes straight from the horses mouth. Finally the guy STICKS HIS ENTIRE FOOT down his throat. It aint his wife. It aint his 20 year spiritual advisor. It aint no surrogate.
He is TOAST . There aint no worming his way out of this one. He is a dead loss in the general election.
At some point. The super delegates will realize its too much to bear. Too many times. Too much evidence that Obama is a left wing radical posing as a uniter.
If they dont . Mc Cain will win the election.
Posted by: tomdavie | April 12, 2008, 3:00 am 3:00 am
Like Ann Richards said, Obama was born with a silver foot in his mouth.
He’s done.
Posted by: Rob | April 12, 2008, 3:02 am 3:02 am
For the record I am bitter. I live in a small town & jobs in my area have been outsourced to Mexico. The closest decent paying jobs to my area are about a hour away. Obama is right there are a lot of bitter people.
questioner
Bill Clinton got himself into the mess he’s in with black people. He should have just kept his mouth shut in SC. It was said that he was the “closest thing” we would get to a black president. Toni Morrison called him the 1st black president but she does not speak for all black people.
jgaw
How is Obama tearing communites apart? Either you vote for Obama or Hillary its simple. & why shouldn’t black, white, red, green, blue, or purple people vote for Obama? Just because blacks are voting for him at a higher percentage than whites are voting for Hillary there is some kind of problem. Maybe they identify with him more, maybe they like his vision better than hers, maybe they like his platform more, & just maybe they feel like he can do a better job than Hillary. My problem with Hillary is she can not admit she’s wrong & she thinks she has all the answers. In that aspect she reminds me of Bush & that kept me from voting for her. I want to feel like she’s a normal person but she doesn’t come across that way. & to me she represent the past in politics while Obama represent the future. & my future is now!
Tavis Smiley is not the voice of all black people. He does not speak for me. He has his self to blame for his current problem. He claims he’s neutral but every chance he gets he’s bashing Obama & then praising Clinton. He should have said what he felt about Obama & Clinton once & moved on. He should have then talked about the candidates issues in a non-bias way. I personally was sick of hearing him whine & complain. & if he’s man enough to keep talking about an issue that is unpopular with his audience then he should have known people were going to criticize him. If he can’t stand the heat he should get out of the kitchen.
& I’m tired of hearing about Hillary’s experience. Sleeping with a president doesn’t give you anymore experience than standing in a garage makes you a Cadillac.
Obama 08 YES, WE CAN!!!!
Posted by: cc | April 12, 2008, 3:02 am 3:02 am
Obama is continuing on in the tradition George Bush. Actually I hope Obama doesn’t abandon Hillaries position papers (carefully tailored to take all the meat out)because he has a lot in common with Bush as far as attitude…
Posted by: Jackie | April 12, 2008, 3:04 am 3:04 am
Michelle Obama is bitter. What’s her excuse?
Posted by: Rob | April 12, 2008, 3:05 am 3:05 am
To me this is unfair to obama. these days you can send people’ sons and daughtesr to their death for no reason, lies openly to them, support Nafta and have in you team one that is presently working against the interest of the american people but you can still get away with it because of you are. But when someone tell the truth he are accused of elitist. Who wouldn’t feel bitter when he is told that his job is given to a chinese or an illegal immigrant? Those who deny that feeling are the very elitist and far away from the daily life of regular americans.
Posted by: leche | April 12, 2008, 3:23 am 3:23 am
Is that quote correct? did the M.C really say where gonna get the “Master” out here in a second? Hendrickson called Billy the Master…Obama is gonna get his Huey Long on in a bit and blow Hills out of the water. This election will be about challenging the status quo in politics period. Go get em Barry!
Posted by: Caucus83 | April 12, 2008, 3:25 am 3:25 am
Sorry “Angel,” but working-class are voting for Clinton, not Obama. Apparently, the working class disagree with your analysis on whether the Clinton’s get them. Besides, Bill grew up poor.
Also — I agree that a lot of folks are bitter, but I would love to see Obama explain why black folks are bitter. His little race speech didnt do much of that. And when Michelle said she was proud for the first time, they tried to clean it up. Are people legitimately bitter or not? Also — what about the white wealthy crowd who send their kids to allwhite public and private schools and who live in allwhite neighborhoods, and resist policies that would make their work places, neighborhoods, and schools more diverse. Are they xeonophobic? Or is this just about “policy”? LOL.
Posted by: tony | April 12, 2008, 3:35 am 3:35 am
Lisa – I hope this isnt the first time you managed to find something distorted in this campaign? Politics involves this — which is why I was stunned that Obama’s supporters said he would be a “uniter” and could take us away from “divisive” politics. LOL — um, not going to happen. He hasnt even unified the Democratic party – how can he unify the nation?
Posted by: tony | April 12, 2008, 3:38 am 3:38 am
cc…I think you may have gotten the spin intended regarding Hillary’s experience…Actually her experience started after college when she went to work for the Children’s Defense League….and she had a lot of relevant experience prior to becoming First Lady…and as a Senator she has distinquished herself….Even during this campaign she has made time to vote twice as much as Obama in the US Senate and continued to serve on the Armed Services Committee (Obama’s first meeting with his committee was this week….he was appointed Jan 2007)
She does have lots of experience…and she hasn’t quit her day job to run for president/
Posted by: Jackie | April 12, 2008, 3:39 am 3:39 am
once again obamaites are having to say what he really meant…or look at the context….how about what he SAID – he said people are frustrated and “cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant or anti-trade.”
so basically he’s putting religion in the same category as “antipathy toward people who aren’t like them,” i.e., racism. or religion in the same category as anti-trade or anti-immigrant or guns.
got something against God, obama? you seem to think people “clinging” to religion is something they would only do out of frustration or desperation. and you imply to your rich california supporters that pennsylvanians are poor white trash who “cling” to religion, guns, etc.
no amount of spinning will save you from this one.
Posted by: so saddened | April 12, 2008, 3:57 am 3:57 am
We’re in the middle of a recession and McCain and Hillary don’t think people are bitter and upset.
Now that’s out of touch with reality.
Posted by: AkaDad | April 12, 2008, 3:58 am 3:58 am
The truth really hurts that Hillary’s campaign is going to end soon as a loser, from the inevitable nominee to a sour loser who thinks that she has the birth rigth to the Presidency. People are bitter when their jobs are shipped to China and India or should they be happy and joyous, owww come on or should we take cover from Bosnian snipers or should Bill Clinton lie again about that Bosnian fire. we have to judge the two now on how they managed their campaign because it is the mirror that will show us on who will be best to manage our country. Hillary’s campaign is losing on delegates count, losing on popular vote and losing fund while obama has a very impressive campaign never seen before.
Posted by: alexis compton | April 12, 2008, 4:33 am 4:33 am
what sort of fallout would there be if hillary had said something to the effect of: i know there are blacks in the inner cities that feel they are at a deadend, no jobs, no prospect of getting ahead, no hope. this is why they have gotten guns, become addicted to, and selling drugs, join gangs and shoot each other. they are just bitter…
she would be tar and feathered…the mainstream media just lets bho continue with his free pass…as this will.
Posted by: pp | April 12, 2008, 4:35 am 4:35 am
The intoxication of “Our Great America” is so well-entrenched and the ability to think about the reasons for their current desperate state so immature and limited among the common American people that Obama is rightly talking about, this statement gives the perfect opportunity that the Washington establishment including Hillary was looking for to beat him up and hopefully to see the end of him as far as this presidential race is concerned.
Posted by: Well Wisher | April 12, 2008, 4:49 am 4:49 am
jackie
I understand what your saying but if I counted everything I’ve done since college I would have a very impressive resume. It seems that if you take away her white house years he’s just as experienced as she is. I’m not trying to be smart maybe she’s over extended but I would expect someone with the experience she claims to have to run a better campaign than she has. Why would you have someone that is actively trying to get Cafta approved on your campaign when you are opposed to it? Shouldn’t she have realized there would be a conflict of interest there? Her campaign finances are a mess. If she’s so supportive of blue collar workers/middle america why hasn’t she been paying the small vender’s? They provided a service & should be paid. I would think its because if she paid all of her unpaid bills her $20 million last month would have dwindle to about $8 million. If she’s the nominee & she runs her campaign against McCain like this he will be the next president.
Maybe she should take some time off of her day job & get her campaign in order because if this is her best its not good enough.
& I still say Sleeping with a president doesn’t give you anymore experience than standing in a garage makes you a Cadillac.
Obama 08 YES, WE CAN!!!
Posted by: cc | April 12, 2008, 5:22 am 5:22 am
Even after saying all this, you Obama lovers STILL want the guy to be president dont you ? Cmon, admit it.
What would he have to do ? Get caught on tape clubbing a baby seal to death?
Still not enough? Dont worry. Obama is so aarogant and inexperienced, he will make PLENTY of more exection crushing comments like this one in the months to come.
He is a 5-1 underdog to win the general election now. What a dummy.
Posted by: tomdavie | April 12, 2008, 5:24 am 5:24 am
Reading all of these comments makes me heartsick. I am concerned that the vituperous Obama supporters are too young to remember how much better everything was when Bill Clinton was President. I’m a small business owner and I want to say I am bitter now, for sure. Bitter because George Bush has destroyed our economy (and our international ethics). Bitter because Obama is appealing to the inexperienced people who are so anxious to find a hero that they’re willing to tear down the best President we’ve had since Roosevelt. I’m bitter because my small business has melted away, bitter because I taught school for 40 years and my students are in Iraq, bitter because I’m afraid America is becoming a bitter and hateful country – but, I’m not running to church, I’m not grabbing my gun, I’m not bashing immigrants – I’m just hoping I get to cast my vote for America’s first woman President.
Posted by: Disenfranchised Michigander | April 12, 2008, 5:24 am 5:24 am
Disenfranchised Michiganer,
well said my friend.
Posted by: pp | April 12, 2008, 5:46 am 5:46 am
“then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.” So this is what Sen. Obama thinks of us poor, little, feeble-minded, small-town hicks, huh? Nice. And this guy is the “Great Uniter” candidate, right? Then he tries to cover it up by saying, “Oh, I meant that small-town people are bitter about losing their jobs.” And he thinks we are just so stupid that we will fall for that line. Nevermind that he just generally accused us small town folk of being gun-toting, xenophobic, religious zealots. This guy is such a snob.
Posted by: Cory | April 12, 2008, 6:06 am 6:06 am
As I read the comments here I am surprised by the double standard. I personally think that when Obama says that people turn to religion because of economic dislocation he has overstated his case. Yet at the same time looking at the behaviour of the Clintons since leaving office there seems to be no end to their snobbery in how they talked about the voters of SC, how they barely campaigned in half the states, how she lied about her resume, her harrowing experiences in Bosnia. I think the reasons for concern about the Clintons is too large to ignore. Bill’s work for foreign governments that Hilary disagrees with, the disorder in her campaign which should raise questions about her ability to run a white House and Executive branch. Senator Obama has his flaws, but I see the Clintons who sometimes seem to be running as running mates as fodder for the REpublican attack machine due to all the contradictions. This does not even address the fact that the campaign has taken on a win at all costs feeling. I invite response and dialogue on these points.
Posted by: NC teacher | April 12, 2008, 6:17 am 6:17 am
Obama shows a lack of respect when he says people “cling” to guns and religion. Well, thst is America and the constitution. He is finished and no amount of GE/NBC/MSNBC sponsorship will save him now. I am a Hillary democrat and I called for BOYCOTTING GE products a month ago. Well, it is working. GE’s revenue fell last quarter in a long time. KEEP BOYCOTTING GE……
Posted by: vs | April 12, 2008, 6:21 am 6:21 am
Look, we all know that the candidates are politicians. We KNOW that they make promises that they may not be able to keep for various reasons. They ALL do this. Even Obama.
What voters want to see is that their candidate understands them. The problem with Obama is that he is clearly demonstrating here that he does NOT.
People do not ‘cling’ to religion because they are bitter. Their religion is based on deep, personal, sincere belief. Saying their religion is based on bitterness IS condescending and elitist, because it presumes Obama has superior knowledge of the people and their motivations than they do themselves.
Posted by: EV | April 12, 2008, 6:31 am 6:31 am
This is exactly the reason John McCain has a chance to win the White House, the petty sqabbling between the Democratic candidates give the perception of a weak party. We as Democrats need to take aim at McCain with both barrels. And we don’t need to let up until he is drooling in his oatmeal.
Posted by: Lucius Fieldon | April 12, 2008, 6:34 am 6:34 am
When one reads the full text of Obama’s speech one sees he made a good point that Washington is doing nothing to help the economic situation of small towns and therefore people are frustrated. Clintons are great politicians and have choosen only one phrase out of Obama’s message and are riding it out of context to win votes. But thank God most Americans can read and form their own opinion. If problems are not exposes they don’t get resolved – All is not “honkey dorey” – small towns have long been left out. Let’s not get a Liar in office out of touch with everything except their own ego – Hillary! I am in favor of a young man in office than people 60 and over that have no vision for America’s future that will be all inclusive.
Posted by: Pete | April 12, 2008, 6:42 am 6:42 am
This is so ridiculous! People are just parroting what the Clinton and McCain camp have said without even understanding it! I am Pennsylvanian and what Barack Obama said it true, there was nothing he said that was insulting or offensive. He was not passing judgment, he was not saying we were a bunch of idiots, he just stated a fact–people are frustrated. After decades of loosing good paying jobs to outsourcing thanks for Clinton supported programs like NAFTA its natural for people to be bitter and resentful of anybody (immigrants, foreigners) who might be seen as a threat to their job-its called nativism. Pennsylvanians love their guns and their church-that is a fact. He did not pass judgment, he just made a statement of fact.
What is insulting is to hear the idiotic spin from the Clinton and McCain camps insinuating that despite decades of jobs lost and an economic downturn, that everyone should be jumping up and down with joy like a bunch of idiots. That is insulting! The Clinton and McCain spin is denying the plights and frustrations we all feel over the state of our economy, they are, in essence, saying that our plights as hard working Americans are not important enough to be frustrated over, we should all be running around like happy idiots!
Obama gets it, he gets how frustrated we are, he saw and heard our struggles and he is the only one courageous enough to give it credibility and honor. Clinton and McCain on the other hand, dismiss our plight and clearly don’t get it. For Clinton to say, “I saw people struggling all over the place, but I didn’t see anybody who was bitter” shows how blind to reality she really is. It is human nature to get frustrated and bitter if you keep struggling and struggling and then see very little in return. One would have to be unconscious not to be frustrated or bitter.
Those of you who are just jumping in because it gives you yet another reason not to like the most intelligent, honest, mature and courageous candidate, go ahead, parrot away. Bottom line is that Barack Obama gets it, he gets what we are all about. He gets what America needs to get out of this quagmire. Clinton and McCain are so far removed that they coulnd’t recognize our realities if it hit them in their face with it.
Posted by: Beca | April 12, 2008, 6:46 am 6:46 am
I think the CNN situation room got it just right – what a non-issue hyped by the medias starved for new stories.
The motive? Clinton was (if you remember) under fire for her Colombia ties, and Bill had just rekindled the Bosnia fire, so there were plenty of reasons to make up a quick controversy. Too bad that both media and voters are willing to let reality get so distorted. There was nothing controversial in those comments from Obama.
Great of CNN (at least in the beginning) to not grip every chance to hype any small thing that could be regarded as controversial.
It would be nice if the media had more focus on the truth of things, and less on keeping the stories rollin’ (true or not).
Posted by: al | April 12, 2008, 6:53 am 6:53 am
Again,
what sort of fallout would there be if hillary had said something to the effect of: i know there are blacks in the inner cities that feel they are at a deadend, no jobs, no prospect of getting ahead, no hope. this is why they have gotten guns, become addicted to, and selling drugs, join gangs and shoot each other. they are just bitter…
she would be tar and feathered…the mainstream media just lets bho continue with his free pass…as this will.
Posted by: pp | April 12, 2008, 7:20 am 7:20 am
PP you are dead right.
Posted by: jc | April 12, 2008, 7:20 am 7:20 am
The problem with his statement is not the fact he said we are bitter( I live in PA and I’m not). This is the part I object to
” and it is not surprising that they cling to guns and religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them, or anti-immigrant or anti-trade as a way to explain their frustration.”‘
Who in the heck does he think he is?I’d call him a pompous A$$ for one.
For all of you that say this is a non issue,of course it is,its negative against The Anointed one aka as Obama.
Posted by: J | April 12, 2008, 7:20 am 7:20 am
Ironic how these now infamous words spoken by Mr. Messiah of Hopiness and Changiness were uttered at the Getty Oil fundraiser held on SF Billionaire’s Row.
That said; no doubt Obama’s poor, hapless youth group who were robbed of an education have no idea that PA is not part of the midwest.
Posted by: syn | April 12, 2008, 7:21 am 7:21 am
AL,
“there were plenty of reasons to make up a quick controversy”
She didn’t make it up, it was in the Huffington post. Why don’t you read a little seeing as you are on of the elite, educated Obama supporters.
Posted by: J | April 12, 2008, 7:24 am 7:24 am
“But more importantly he stated that through the Clinton and Bushes administration politicians have promised and delivered nothing for the past 25 years, which is why people are bitter.”
I can understand why those adults who expect the government to eternally take of care them as if they were hapless children are bitter, perhaps instead of relying in the government to provide for your every need why not accept the maturity of responsibility by taking care of yourselves rather than depending on the government.
You’re Americans, you don’t need the government to be your Mommy and Daddy; you’re better than that.
Posted by: syn | April 12, 2008, 7:31 am 7:31 am
I think anyone who thinks Obama is an elitist couldn’t be more wrong. Worse than that they’re gun totting, religionist believing, no nothings, probably from smaller town, and invariably white ( and not the good hispanic kind of whites if you get my drift). These cowards who go after the Saintly Barrack Obama couldn’t be bothered to put their money where their mouth is and fly off to San Francisco and attend his 1400 $ (700 Euro) speech at the time but now feel free to mouth off after the fact and not to his face. Shame on all of you racist haters!!!
Posted by: Guy Caballero | April 12, 2008, 7:32 am 7:32 am
People basically doesn’t have faith in our failing Government today and do find other means of interest to get their mind off of the horrible state America is in,wheather they admit it or not.There was a piece on cynicism in America recently, remember because one of McCain’s suggestion was why not join the army. America is not in very good shape right now here and around the globe. People tend to deal with it the best they can.
Posted by: merle7 | April 12, 2008, 7:39 am 7:39 am
I think the only people angry and bitter about this scandal is Chris’tina’ Matthews and Keith Olber’wo’mann. The horror on Olber’wo’man’s face last night was right up there with Night of the Living Dead when he had to address it.
I am not quite sure who has the bigger crush on Obama, however it was sad to see two ‘adults’ devastated as they were.
Posted by: Mark David | April 12, 2008, 7:44 am 7:44 am
I’ve suggested that no one give money to any African American organizaton at all. Not ever again. If they feel inclined to support African Americans, I suggest that they give directly to an individual and forego the tax deduction by giving to an tax deductible charity. An Army of Davids could do better, and would be a better approach, than supporting the victim theology that seems to be prevelent in the African American community.
Posted by: Jack | April 12, 2008, 7:48 am 7:48 am
Guy Cabellero,
I live in PA, I am white, I don’t own guns, I am not fanatic about religion and I don’t bash immigrants. What he said was elitist. I am not angry. I am also educated and not a no nothing as you put it( actually it is know nothing if you want to be corrrect).
It’s not racism to not vote for or speak out against a candidate. From your post I would say that was a bit racist.
Posted by: J | April 12, 2008, 7:49 am 7:49 am
Power:
As opposed to Medicaid, Foodstamps and Section 8.
I’d prefer guns, trucks and church.
Posted by: Mark David | April 12, 2008, 7:54 am 7:54 am
Bitter?
Y’all need to come up here to Northern Michigan and interview a few of the 250 people in Mancelona who are out of a job as the town’s largest employer, Dura Corp. has just closed their plant here.
You folks who sit in your suburban homes typing this anti-Obama crap on your fancy laptops with your Escalade sitting in your circular drive are the one’s who are out of touch.
When rural America finally gets fed up with big city political pandering that’s when you better watch out. The inner city might have handguns, but rural america has the hunting rifles.
Posted by: dennis | April 12, 2008, 7:55 am 7:55 am
Obama can say what he wants he doesn’t need the white vote. He has already won!
Obama 2008!!
Posted by: Power | April 12, 2008, 8:04 am 8:04 am
I find it somewhat ironic that Barack would criticize rural America for having “antipathy to people who aren’t like them” by using antipathy to describe people who aren’t like him.
I find it somewhat ironic that Barack would criticize rural America for their anti-trade sentiment when he claims to be NAFTA’s strongest opponent.
I find it somewhat ironic that Barack would criticize rural America for clinging to their religion during troubled times while he clings to his pastor “What I value most about Pastor Wright is not his day-to-day political advice,” Obama said. “He’s much more of a sounding board for me to make sure that I am speaking as truthfully about what I believe as possible and that I’m not losing myself in some of the hype and hoopla and stress that’s involved in national politics.”
I find it somewhat ironic that Barack would criticize rural America for clinging to their legal guns used for hunting and family protection while ignoring illegal urban guns used to commit crimes.
I find it disgusting that Barack would claim that rural America is “anti-immigrant” when he knows full well that they’re actually anti-Illegal immigrant and want secure borders just like Barack does.
Posted by: Panola60 | April 12, 2008, 8:05 am 8:05 am
The entire speech is condescending and ridiculous.
Obama thinks people shouls cling to him an inexperienced first term senator to solve all their woes, if they even have then. So he denegrates religion, their views on trade, immigration, guns and religion, while talking to white collar elitists in San Francisco.
This is not acceptable. You don’t talk about people like that and denegrate their values if you want their vote.
Posted by: s.b. | April 12, 2008, 8:08 am 8:08 am
I am frustrated by reading so many postings by paid Obama workers who fill these blogs with their propaganda. They are so strong they try to drown out the voice of reason and truth. Everyone better wake up immediately. We are about to make another big mistake with our vote. Everyone wanted Bush and now they want Obama. Look out the book Extraordinary Popular Delusions and Madness of Crowds is a history of this same kind of foolish nonsense like the tulip bubble. . . . . . .
Oh yes American politicians have learned how to control the mass people of America. Just look at how they lied to us about WMD in Iraq. Well now we are getting the best money has to offer in control from the Obama camp. . . . . . . .
Do you get this feeling of how Hitler controlled the Germans. Look out when you follow a Savior. All Saviors are False Idols. Obama is a great speaker just like Hitler was. They followed Hitler. Now we follow Obama. I am not saying that Obama is like Hitler except in the context of Extraordinary Popular Delusions and Madness of Crowds. Be careful who you follow and where you are lead. … , , , , , We know basically almost nothing about Obama. He is an unknown coming out of the wilderness. Hitler was an unknown coming out of the wilderness with his smooth speech and the Germans followed him. Are you following a smooth talking politician? Are you risking our country because you want to believe what is not true?
Posted by: DemocratForever | April 12, 2008, 8:13 am 8:13 am
The fact that people seemed bored in NC is because the comments havent filltered down to most people yet as they came out on Fri afternoon.
People in the midwest, Ohio, Penn, Indiana and NC can decide for themselves whether or not the comments are condescending and denegrate their values.
I think they are, but I dont live there and we’l see. I think it will be difficult for Mr Obama to pass this off as nothing.
Posted by: s.b. | April 12, 2008, 8:15 am 8:15 am
Well .. well .. there he goes again …
He says something …. and then he comes back and says he is clearly something else ..
He said PA Small Town voters are racist, are anti-immigrant, pro gun, pro religion, anti-trade because they are bitter due to jobs loss. That’s why they are voting for Hillary.
Now, he says, they are bitter because they cannot count on Washington. Of course, they can count on Washington for religion, guns, trade etc.,
Give me a break. Either Obama thinks people are stupid or hopes at least the main stream media pundits will wink wink and repeat what he says.
Of course, we all know the pundits are in the tank for Obama. It is not a perception but reality.
Obamabots will say this controversy was generated to push out Clinton controversies.
It is true. Clinton used her mind control to make Obama say these things.
She also used her mind control to make him to associate with Rev. Wright, Domestic terrorists, Hamas Terrorists, and others.
Posted by: Roger Miller | April 12, 2008, 8:20 am 8:20 am
Obama got applauded for the truthfulness and urgent necessity of his remarks by CNN’s so called Best Political Team on television. Hillary and McCain got loathed for their responses to it: they are the political class that have shipped American job overseas and let our own people down.
OBAMA FOR PRESIDENT!!
Posted by: gregory | April 12, 2008, 8:30 am 8:30 am
Gregory,
That is because Obama has them wrapped around his little finger. Of course the MSM is going to back him, he’s their little darling. CNN is so biased it is pathetic.
Posted by: J | April 12, 2008, 8:36 am 8:36 am
Gregory,
What’s your point. I could care less what these commentators have to say. I am the only one who can decide who I am going to vote for, I don’t need them to tell me who that will be.
Posted by: J | April 12, 2008, 8:40 am 8:40 am
Here’s my favorite political analyst on US television, Jack Rafferty, on the issue:
“What Barack Obama was suggesting is not that the people of Pennsylvania are to blame for any of it. It’s that the jerks in Washington, D.C., as represented by the ten years of the Bushes and the Clintons and the McCains who have lied to and misled these people for all of this time while they shipped the jobs over seas and signed phony trade deals like NAFTA are to blame for the deteriorating economic conditions among America’s middle class. I mean, I’m a college dropout and I can read the damn thing and figure it out.”
Thank you, Jack. And shame on a lot people here.
Posted by: Greta | April 12, 2008, 8:41 am 8:41 am
Obama showing his Racism once again:
Talking about the Typical White People of PA, ”they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”
The only thing he can relate to is the black community. What if McCain had said the same thing about the black community?
Posted by: Wow | April 12, 2008, 8:52 am 8:52 am
Small town folks go to church because of it’s their way of living…they own guns because again, that;s their way of living…they are not bigots because of job losses…they are not cynics because of job losses….are they angry with different issues, of course they are…they are angry that nothing ever seems to get done in our governmenet…they are angry because our government have put too many roadblocks and regulations in their lives…they are angry taxes are going up because our govn. can’t seem to control the spendings…they are angry because taxes are going up to fund govn programs to bailout those decide not to pay their mortgages…there are many things the small town folks should feel bitter and anger about…not the least being preached by someone who has listened to his “God Damn America” pastor for 20 yrs and sat silently in his Church of Hate…go home Barack, take your Michelle back to your church of hate…back to Indonesia, back to Pakistan…and please don’t tell us smalltown folks how to live.
Posted by: Ana | April 12, 2008, 8:52 am 8:52 am
Ana statistics prove issues of ethnocentric violence and anger, violent crime, bigotry toward the poor, toward women toward jewish, spanish japanese, thai, elderly go up strongly when an economy in a community or society goes down… go research it.
Obama once again steps above your average politician that we have seen in many years… it may be the difference in “when” he was educated because these statistics are OFTEN covered now in schools…colleges. He is very aware of what an economic downturn does to a communities social and “democratic” health. That is what we as a country are about to need desperately if the economy keeps heading this way.
If you or the candidate(s) who are chastising him for addressing those issues would listen …you might learn something. The issues he speaks of are statistically, consistently and strongly associated with economic downturns…this is the guy who left college to fight for the communities where factories closed remember…that is why he gets this issue.
It is scary that the other two candidates have no idea what that means…and what is heading our way if the economy keeps heading down this path. They do not really understand what it is to live in a community and have a job where when the factory closes…all the other issues that it brings with it. How could they really…they have never been around it.
Posted by: dl | April 12, 2008, 9:08 am 9:08 am
This is just a waste of time, no matter what candidate says what. Its all just words remember, as Hillary reminded us in February.
Posted by: Michael Hindman | April 12, 2008, 9:13 am 9:13 am
Obama is a guy who is full of ideas. His intentions are to make the country a better place. Like all new presidential hopefulls do.
He is a left winger who sees the country as having more social problems than it really does. He is on the far left and it really shows when he is plainly speaking his mind.
He thinks the president has some kind of ROYAL authority to control the economy, or social problems in general.
Most Obama supporters have a very unrealistic view of who the president is and what he does.
He doesnt operate congress or the house. He cant spend his day lobbying everyone to get along. He runs the country. He does not go around trying to ‘unite’ anything
He is going to go down as one of the most dissapointing presidents if elected. Not as bad as Bush, but considering the BLISS he has promised, he will end up being a normal politician who got less done than anyone in recent history.
Posted by: tomdavie | April 12, 2008, 9:14 am 9:14 am
I meant unify.
Posted by: Wow | April 12, 2008, 9:15 am 9:15 am
Perhaps Obama might want to declare himself instead of heading behind false personnas. Give a break mate, you have conned the mainstream press to elevate you to godlike status without any serious personnal examinations, its all smoke and mirrors isn’t it ?
Posted by: pjm | April 12, 2008, 9:16 am 9:16 am
and Roger Miller…he didn’t say towns were racist or any of the things you listed but …I guess your candidate set the tone with taking the facts and well…
He said that issues of racism and ethnocentrism and violent crime (gun control) become the “control” issues that people focus on when communities go into an economic downturn…he is right look it up.
and if a Presidential candidate doesn’t understand that …oh boy are we in for it. Let’s hope these candidates are aware that Obama was right and just using this to play up their own candidacy. Otherwise heaven help us if they were ever elected. Some of the worst parts of economic downturns is how it effects a communities social and democratic “health”.
(but not to sound like an “elitist” (from a guy from NH who grew up in Saugus MA) I have a feeling that you won’t get that in any case.
Posted by: dl | April 12, 2008, 9:17 am 9:17 am
I am not sure I am understanding why people are so upset that BHO used the word “clinging”.
People “cling” to something that is important to them. Even more so when everything else is being taken from them.
“Clinging” is not an insult – it is a normal reaction when faced with being unable to stop the hemorrhaging of the components of one’s life – your job to someone in Colombia, your home to foreclosure because you’ve lost your job to someone in Colombia, your children becoming homeless because you’ve lost your home to someone in….
NO Clinging to things that no one can take from you is natural, especially when one is frustrated with the status quo and the prospect of not being able to do much about it.
Go out and vote. Vote for the person who is most likely to change the status quo.
Posted by: limach | April 12, 2008, 9:28 am 9:28 am
McCain and Clinton need to jump all over the part of his speech where his is calling white people bigots:
Obama talking about white people in PA, ”they cling to guns or religion or ANTIPATHY TO PEOPLE WHO AREN’T LIKE THEM or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”
Posted by: SUE | April 12, 2008, 9:29 am 9:29 am
Obama is wind. Changing to gain any vote. He cannot do all he promises. This whole election has turned into affirmative action for president. No one can criticize him or bring his record to light..otherwise they are racist. It is so sad that the people can’t see the forest from the trees and we are willing to cling to any promise.
We have become sheep. Media led so we don’t have to think for ourselves. He talks like a small town guy, but he bought his million dollar home through so REAL good investments. He is no more in touch with the people than any other politician. He is winning because he is black and people thinks thats change.
Posted by: dragon11 | April 12, 2008, 9:33 am 9:33 am
WOW,
You are so right!! What if any candidate used Obama’s phrase to refer to the black population? “They cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations,”
There would have been a call for that candidate to withdraw from the race.
Posted by: countallthevotes | April 12, 2008, 9:33 am 9:33 am
SUE and the rest…once again…look it up… IT is true…
ethnocentrism…angry and violent ethnocentrism goes up when a communities economy goes down…obviously out of frustration and anger most likely…
Look it up…and Obama is the only one addressing that issue that is about to be on every Americans plate if the economy goes down…which most likely it will.
Get smart people before you start arguing and trying to use this. that is not good for country. If the two other candidates don’t see this or are not aware of this…then, whew…they absolutely are the wrong choices… and they don’t understand the full impact of factory’s leaving of a recession or worse…take a look at the statistics of the depression and social integration. …and these are cyclical issues if you don’t address them.
Posted by: dl | April 12, 2008, 9:37 am 9:37 am
iam from a small town and still live there. i own no gun, favor immigration, oppose closed mindedness and am not religious.
having traveled the world, i have taught on the high school and college levels for 35 years, and visit nyc or 5 times a year. i have even designed pscy programs for adolescents, published and served as asst admin of the center for louisiana studies….
so, mr. obama i reject your stereotype.
your words are revealing you to be elitist…and you of all people should know the harm of generalizing.
a lifelong democrat, if obama is the party’s nominee, i vote MCCAIN.
Posted by: ron bodin | April 12, 2008, 9:38 am 9:38 am
iam from a small town and still live there. i own no gun, favor immigration, oppose closed mindedness and am not religious.
having traveled the world, i have taught on the high school and college levels for 35 years, and visit nyc or 5 times a year. i have even designed pscy programs for adolescents, published and served as asst admin of the center for louisiana studies….
so, mr. obama i reject your stereotype.
your words are revealing you to be elitist…and you of all people should know the harm of generalizing.
a lifelong democrat, if obama is the party’s nominee, i vote MCCAIN.
Posted by: ron bodin | April 12, 2008, 9:38 am 9:38 am
How does Obama explain his statements in IN last night? He lies. He says that voters are not voting based on economic issues, they are voting on gun issues, religious issues.
Look at the exit polls from TX & OH primaries: people who are concerned about the economy/their money situation VOTE FOR HILLARY. People who are NOT concerned with their financial situation/economy voted for Obama. Check on CNN polls – it’s there.
Are we not in a recession? Are the gas prices too high? Are there job losses in PA and everywhere? Is this the highest foreclosure rate in history (still trying to sell my house in PA)? And according to Obama, people in PA are not voting on economic issues? Well, the people most effected by this recession obviously don’t trust him to turn around the economy – they are flocking to Clinton to turn this thing around. The people who DON”T CARE ABOUT THIS ECONOMY are the liberal elitists, like Obama, who are driving their hummers and looking down on the typical white people in small town America.
Posted by: Jenny | April 12, 2008, 9:39 am 9:39 am
WHAT AMERICA ARE YOU LIVING IN:
Obama speech is right on point. I went to get gas today so I can go to work, $3.35 a gallon. Called a major telephone carrier, talked to someone in India. Called about my credit card weeks ago interest rate out the roof , guess what, the person I talked to was in the Philpines.
Some sheep want to look away from the slaughter house.
Obama wants to tell you the truth.
Give me the truth, not a LIE.
Posted by: American9 | April 12, 2008, 9:40 am 9:40 am
He is referring to all populations… I do not know where you all got”white people”…he is referring to all communities and if you knew which communities many of those are…yes they are black communities too…
You people are too much.
Posted by: dl | April 12, 2008, 9:40 am 9:40 am
ron bodin
do you live in a town where you lost your job because a factory was closed?
then he wasn’t talking about your town and you don’t know what that is like obviously.
Posted by: dl | April 12, 2008, 9:42 am 9:42 am
DL,
a clinical professor, your argument is overly general. people everywhere respond to adversity in different ways. some become bitter; others use coping skills and humor and determination and work their way out of their dire circumstances.
the american people are can do people. they, my experience indicates, don’t sit and pray and wait for God–JFK spoke for this nation when he said that God helps those who help themselves.
so stop your blind support of obama; i have a question for you; is blind obedience to a cult of personality healthy for this nation?
God bless America,
ron bodin
Posted by: ron | April 12, 2008, 9:46 am 9:46 am
Uncle Sam wants You and Your Money.
When was the last time Washington, looked out for your best interest.
We would not be in this mess right now if it was not TRUE, what Obama stated.
Open your eyes, I know it is scary to see for yourself and not what the media wants to make it. You will live better if you can face the truth.
The Truth will Set YOU FREE..
Obama for President… won’t be fooled this time..
No Gay issue
No Abortion issue
No Race issue
No Liberal vs. Conservative issue
No American vs. Anti-American issue
The choice is obvious, Obama, for the PEOPLES’ INTEREST.
Posted by: American9 | April 12, 2008, 9:47 am 9:47 am
Ana
Like I said their is level headed debate and their are people who don’t have facts to back up their argument…
You need to focus on the facts. You need to understand statistics before getting angry at me. If you don’t then yes…you are not debating “smart”… and this election is too important to have someone like you shouting angry slanderous things that aren’t based in fact…if that is elitist …so be it. I am still just a blue collar guy I always have been …yeah I don’t call it elitist… I call it smart.
(and to be honest you sound like my dad when he gets frustrated with the facts in an argument…”blow em all up!” kind of argument)
Posted by: dl | April 12, 2008, 9:56 am 9:56 am
Obama might want to check the figures before he blasts the Clinton Administration’s record in Pennsylvania. From 1992 – 1999, Pennsylvania added 400,000+ new jobs and unemployment decreased from 7.2% to 4.6%. Of the last four Presidents, it was under Bill Clinton’s administration that Pittsburg and Allentown Pennsylvania metro regions saw the fastest growth. Under the Clinton Administration, the number of people on welfare declined by over 300,000 people.
In addition, the abortion rate declined as well.
Posted by: Jenny | April 12, 2008, 9:57 am 9:57 am
Obama does nothing but stereotype people. He keeps putting other races down so that he looks better.
McCain or clinton would never have gotten away with saying “the black community cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”
Posted by: James | April 12, 2008, 9:58 am 9:58 am
Ana and K_prime,,
Ana you just have a problem with racism.
K_Prime you just missed the point of why people are donating millions to his campaign, because America needs a new direction from the Robbery that is going on at Capitol Hill.
13 billion in cash flown to Iraq and dissappeared.
Bush’s oil buddies getting rich while you lose your home.
Big boss get paid more in one day than you make in a year.
But the both of you probably voted for Bush, so it wasted cause explaining it to you.
Posted by: American9 | April 12, 2008, 9:59 am 9:59 am
Why doesn’t Barack just come out and be truthful?
Religion (and guns and notions of national sovereignty) is the opiate of the masses.
Just say it, Comrade Barack Barackovich.
The utter arrogance and condescension of his words is breathtaking. Oh, you poor little proles, you only disagree with me about these political issues because of jobs and health care.
What’s the underlying message there? You people are inferior to an enlightened Harvard lawyer like me. I take stands on issues based on my intellectual and spiritual superiority. You do because you’re frustrated with economic issues.
Well, will fix all that. I will require you to work. And shed your cynicism…
Posted by: JB | April 12, 2008, 10:00 am 10:00 am
i live in a town of 2000 in south louisiana. my dad worked the oil fields all his life. the oil business is boom and bust. i saw him employed, unemployed, underemployed and laid off on a regular, rotating basis
but never did he (a man who could neither read nor write) ever become bitter–he never bought a gun, never became addicted to religion, never hated immigrants seeking a better life in this country. instead, when unemployed he started a lawn business and always told me: if you want to live like a republican, vote democrat (an old line from one of his heroes, harry truman).
so… i know what it is like to be poor…and don’t stereotype smalltown people
ron bodin
erath, louisiana
Posted by: ron | April 12, 2008, 10:00 am 10:00 am
dl – you have yet to defuse a single pt of my arguements for not being factual…if you have the facts to dispute mine, come back for a “smart” debate…
Posted by: Ana | April 12, 2008, 10:01 am 10:01 am
Ron Bodin
“blind obedience to a cult of personality”… isn’t that what Sen Clinton is…why is she better than Biden? or Dodd? why is she better than Richardson?
because we have been wrapped up in 15 years of arguments with the republicans over the Clintons no matter what questions are raised…that is blind obedience.
and if you are a clinical professor…check out some of the studies…one that was done on Pittsburgh specifically in the 70′s or there is a reall interesting and simple one that was done when England was in a downturn and they looked at ethnic hostilities and violent crime.
Yes…violent crime goes up that is not based on one Clinton supporters experience… whether you are a professor or not. Like I said I am just some guy in NH…but I base my arguments (and subsequent support of a candidate) on other peoples research and work.
Posted by: dl | April 12, 2008, 10:03 am 10:03 am
I am Bitter,
That some of Americans are blind as a bat to what the Goverment is doing to working class.
No more Unions
No more Privacy
No more Due Process
No more Civil Rights
No more Honesty
Some Americans can’t stand the TRUTH.
Posted by: American9 | April 12, 2008, 10:08 am 10:08 am
i am 57 and was born during the truman administration. from a politically conscious family, i have long been a student of politics. one thing i know from experience and from statistical data: this nation’s families were at their economic best when bill clinton (a small town guy) was president. that is why i am voting for hillary: the clinton’s know how to form an economic team that works….
obama just talks and talks and talks (pretty).
we need a real man and this time it’s HILLARY
Posted by: ron | April 12, 2008, 10:09 am 10:09 am
Ron,
Sorry to tell you but Old Bill, as they you to say “Slick Willy”, only produced temporary Jobs. He knew that NATFA would mean a slide in all of those jobs so fatting up the sheep, before the slaughter.
Fater Sheep move slower, and think LESS
Posted by: American9 | April 12, 2008, 10:12 am 10:12 am
see the tactics of those defending Obama – get this – “Ana you just have a problem with racism.”…yup, we time we say anything bad about Obama, we will be tarred as bigiots, racists..as some posters have mentioned already – if the same smalltown comment was made by Hillary or McCain – but chg the context about Black communities (the crimes, the low education levels, the hopelessness, the broken homes, the single parent families) – I’d bet the media will erupt and call for immediate retraction, resignation of the candidate…the Church of Obama has used this tactic – oh, dont ever talk bad about us, or you will be called racists, bigots – well, very well – look at what happen to Geraldine Ferraro…but are we Americans so afriad to speak up and willingly be silent by this cult of Obama in this election…I think not and I hope not…yes we can to speak up the ills of Obama, yes we can to speak up the values we believed in..yes we can to point out the fact that we are about to elect the ultimate Affirmative Action candidate to the WH..one with values so different from us, one with values so foreign to us…and one who are talking down and looking down upon us in smalltown America.
Posted by: Ana | April 12, 2008, 10:15 am 10:15 am
Ron part of the reason bill was so successful was because of the balance of a republican congress that is fact.
and what i read in your statement is that you are voting for Hillary because she was married to Bill …yet she is over and over trying to distance herself from him now…so which is it?
this goes back to the issue at hand factories leaving small towns and going overseas because of NAFTA. Bill Clinton’s big economic/foreign policy issue. That is a direct result of Bill’s administration.
I agree times were good then but remember where we got to with Bush getting elected and where we are now has a lot to do also with that administration.
This is what I mean by 15 years of arguments with the republicans making us blind to the faults of the Clintons.
Posted by: dl | April 12, 2008, 10:17 am 10:17 am
DL,
you cite an english study based on a population that is class stratified. america is known for its social and economic mobility. the literature clearly indicates that different people respond to economic adversity in different ways (be they urban or rural).
if you are so confident of your views — all of you– cite your names; don’t hide behind your words.
other studies indicate that cults of personality develop around charismatic figures–Hilllary is anything but charismatic.
so stop blindly following an empty suit; instead, study his words and deeds then do what you must. for my part i support hillary; if she is not the nominee, i will support mccain.
ron bodin
erath, la.
-instructor on hs,cc and university levels
-clinical professor, u of La.
-past editor, USL attakapas historical gazette
-past asst admin, USL center for LA. Studies
-author of numerous articles on Louisiana and author or Voodoo:past and present
Posted by: ron bodin | April 12, 2008, 10:19 am 10:19 am
Hendrickson had to comment on this, and try to distance his candidate from Obama’s remarks. This quote from Obama will be used by Republicans to paint the entire Democratic party as anti-gun, anti-religion, and pro-illegal immigrant. Obama gave Republicans this on a platter — a silver plated, gold plated, platinum plated platter. Republicans will say that Democrats think people are pro-gun because they are bitter and frustrated, not because hunting is part of their culture; they are going to say Democrats believe that people cling to religion because they are bitter and frustrated, not because of belief in God; and they are going to say that Democrats believe people are against illegal immigrants because they are bitter and frustrated, not because illegal immigration is destroying the fabric of America. Democrats have to do everything they can to say Obama is wrong and does not share their beliefs.
Posted by: David H | April 12, 2008, 10:21 am 10:21 am
having been born in the segregated south, i have come to understand racism. sometimes it is overt; more often nowadays it is nuanced. it is my belief that obama is a racist: he contines to resent his mother’s race (his words from his book). such a man or woman is not fit to be presidet, period.
Posted by: ron | April 12, 2008, 10:26 am 10:26 am
having been born in the segregated south, i have come to understand racism. sometimes it is overt; more often nowadays it is nuanced. it is my belief that obama is a racist: he contines to resent his mother’s race (his words from his book). such a man or woman is not fit to be presidet, period.
Posted by: ron | April 12, 2008, 10:26 am 10:26 am
Oh my Osamaobama, just a great job of pulling this country together with a comment like that. Now, I’m not too bright, I didn’t go to an Ivory League School and some Middle Easterner didn’t give me no money to buy a 700K home…so tell me, are you critizizing biter, white gun tot’n, unemployed,church going conservatives or gun tot’n, white unemployed chuch go’n, union member, biter liberals…or are all us typical white folks just lumped together. I just wants to know so I won’t stand nexta that group of losers.
Posted by: Fred | April 12, 2008, 10:55 am 10:55 am
Angel,
I immigrated to the USA 36 years ago. I and my spouse had college degrees back home but could not find jobs in our fields, so we both worked in sweat shops to support our family. I decided getting another degree at the local university would help us, so we made sacrifices so I can go back to school. And it paid off.
The point is: anyone (whether you are black. white, yellow or green) who is willing to sacrifice to better himself/herself can do it here in America.
This country was built solely by immigrants, some just came later that others.
This is a free country and everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion, but I still think Hillary would be a better president than either of the two. Although I would vote for McCain if Hillary does not get the nomination.
Posted by: AnImmigrant | April 12, 2008, 10:57 am 10:57 am
ron
so you are saying that the towns in Pennsylvania that which Obama was referring to, have “social and economic mobility” more than the towns in the other studies?
so in essence you are saying that studies that correlate economic downturns and the rise in violent crime and ethnocentristic anger … are not important in this discussion or are inaccurate in comparing these towns?
really? because of their vast differences in their ability to switch their economic and social standing…
I think you need to go into a town in central or western Pennsylvania and tell them they have such a greater ability to change that their situation is different than all of these other places because they can change their economic and social status so their government and political shouldn’t be held to the same expectations.
I tell everyone don’t rely on my statements…go google studies of economic downturns and social statistics… see the correlations for yourself. There are many…dealing with everything from crime to religion to the reverse and cyclical effects of crime and racism back on a community.
I have yet to see any that were the opposite of what Obama has said…
and if you don’t think that Bill Clinton was elected partly because of “personality” you aren’t being genuine.
Posted by: dl | April 12, 2008, 10:57 am 10:57 am
Obama really needs to win Pennsylvania to demonstrate to super delegates that he can secure the Democratic base in November. This elitist “gaffe” doesn’t help.
Posted by: TD | April 12, 2008, 11:06 am 11:06 am
If small town folk are bitter, are the slum dwellers in Rezkos apartments not bitter?
Posted by: Just curious | April 12, 2008, 11:07 am 11:07 am
…hope all have a great weekend. don’t get too crazy about politics and remember they are ALL of them just politicians. don’t put too much stock in any of them. be self-reliant.
Posted by: ron | April 12, 2008, 11:09 am 11:09 am
Obama is a fraud. he is a slick corrupt politician from Chicago. he is an elistist, a racist and a socialist.
His followers cling to ‘hope’ and ‘change’ as actual reasons to vote for him while continuing to convince themselves that the fantasy of who they want Obama to be still exisits.
The Clintons are as disgusting, no doubt. The problem is, Obama is the uber-dream of the politically correct crowd and they will just ignore anything that gets in the way of the fairy tale.
Posted by: Jay M | April 12, 2008, 11:12 am 11:12 am
Obama is right. People are bitter. I’m glad he recognizes that people are bitter in certain areas due to economic problems. This is the first step in trying to change the economic situation in those places. I come from such a place and we have little faith in the government being of any help to people willing and eager to work hard for decent wages to allow us to live a nice middle-class life. The government does not need to give welfare to the people in these areas, but, if they want to help those people, they can help us make it more attractive for businesses to operate there (and in the US in general) and more attractive to buy American. At least Obama realizes there is a problem and a huge wealth divide in the U.S. Too bad the other politicians don’t focus on this very very important issue, but I guess that’s politics.
Posted by: Marilyn | April 12, 2008, 11:13 am 11:13 am
Hillary supporters:
Your candidate will loose to the liberal left. Here are your GE choices:
*Vote for McCain
*Vote for Nader
*Write in Hillary’s name
*Dont’ vote
You have been betrayed!!!!
Posted by: Aston | April 12, 2008, 11:13 am 11:13 am
It’s so refreshing to finally have a candidate like Obama who’s so in touch with average folks. He understands the anger and bitterness that regular people are feeling.
Posted by: AkaDad | April 12, 2008, 11:22 am 11:22 am
Frankly, none of the candidates are fit to be President.
Posted by: jdawg | April 12, 2008, 11:23 am 11:23 am
AkaDad
Actually Obama’s rhetoric is inflaming the ‘regular people’. He truly is divisive!
Posted by: S | April 12, 2008, 11:26 am 11:26 am
S
Yup, all that talk about bringing everyone together to solve problems is clearly divisive.
Lol
Posted by: AkaDad | April 12, 2008, 11:30 am 11:30 am
Ron, its hard to be self reliant and not worry too much about polititans when they take so much of our money and pass so many laws curtailing our freedom.
Government has gotten out of hand – they have too much of our power and money. We need to downsize goverment!
Posted by: Lily | April 12, 2008, 11:30 am 11:30 am
The birthday-suit “diversity” candidates aren’t working out for anybody except the Republican-lite “leadership” of the Democratic Party.
Clinton and Obama should return to the Senate, and the Democrats nominate John Edwards, the guy with the brains and the politics, and the spouse who isn’t an utter embarrassment.
Otherwise, Gravel/Nader/McKinney are going to wind up with a lot of votes the Democrats think are theirs — Obama’s psychological take on the masses, that they are “bitter” and “frustrated”, isn’t much of a political pose, is it??
Nobody doubts, I think, that other Obama shoes will drop at any moment.
Posted by: Edgar Cayce | April 12, 2008, 11:30 am 11:30 am
I am voting on the economy which is why my vote will go for Senator Clinton.
Posted by: J | April 12, 2008, 11:31 am 11:31 am
CAROLINA
Ever noticed how Obama holds his nose so high when he speaks — a sure sign he has contempt for his audience. Internally, he represents nobody except himself
Posted by: S | April 12, 2008, 11:32 am 11:32 am
AkaDad
It’s all talk.
No meat in the bun.
No answers to anything — just assertive accusations.
Just wedges to divide
Just appealing to lemmings who choose to believe rather than to know.
An empty suit full of sound and fury — signifying nothing.
Posted by: S | April 12, 2008, 11:36 am 11:36 am
S
Go to Obama’s website and click the issues link. There you can find the substance.
Posted by: AkaDad | April 12, 2008, 11:41 am 11:41 am
As someone who grew in a small town and still has ties to my small town I believe Obama is right that folks are bitter and disgusted. They are bitter and disgusted with their federal government’s elected officials. In particuar they are bitter and disgusted with the past two presidents. First we had a president (Clinton) who treated the White House as his personal playground and continuously evaded the truth until caught. Next we had a president (Bush) who is so dumb as to be dangerous and whose dumb mistakes will take decades to fix. I believe small town folks are the pulse of the country and I do believe there is bitterness. They do not wear their bitterness on their sleeve and continue doing what is important in life (god, family, freinds) But make no mistake there is bitterness over the way this country has been run for the last 16 years. It is time for a change. I personally do not care if it is Obama or McCain as long as it is not Hillary and the same old crap. By the way, I am a “typical white person”.
Posted by: indy_voter | April 12, 2008, 11:43 am 11:43 am
AkaDad
Been there, done that. It’s all fluff!
Posted by: S | April 12, 2008, 11:44 am 11:44 am
CAROLINA, And Hillary has not lived a privleged life? I don’t know of anyone who is more condescending in public life than Hillary. That is why so many people dislike her.
Posted by: indy_voter | April 12, 2008, 11:48 am 11:48 am
This just silly. We have wars going on, economy is in shambles, and we talk about a Gaffe that wasn’t even a Gaffe. Come on News people, come on bloggers. This is simply a distraction to john and Hillary’s failing campaigns. Obama told the truth. If they are the candidates that care with all of the experience, ask yourself why the country is in the way it’s in now. You can’t blame Obama he just got there.
Posted by: Be Honest | April 12, 2008, 11:53 am 11:53 am
“and it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations . . .”
Strange . . . “cling to guns or religion” . . . You might even think that that the people living in small towns in Pennsylvania, or Ohio, or Michigan, or North Carolina, or New Jersey, or any other state, for that matter, have only been religious since NAFTA. Or, that they have only been hunting for these past few decades now . . . only out of frustration, of course.
Yet, Barack Obama spent twenty years, and even brought and chose to raise his impressionable young girls, right in the midst of a “house of worship” presided over by a raging, hate-filled man who damns this nation from his pulpit, and who, in the context of his “ministry” has even openly embraced a man, Louis Farrakhan, whose racial and religious bigotry has been burning bridges of commonality and sowing his ugly brand of bitterness and hatred, pitting American against American for decades.
Were not Wright and Farrakhan, all this time, vehemently expressing “antipathy toward people who aren’t like them?”
Well then, what was Barack Obama doing, leading his young family down that path?
Where did he suddenly become so knowledgable about what is in the hearts of small town folks? At the knee of Reverend Wright . . . the man who he says brought him to his faith?
Or did it begin with his own grandmother, who he has told us is a “typical white person?” He says she made him cringe with things she said.
Well, he just made a whole lot of people in this country cringe with what he said.
It was the verbal equivalent of a gutter ball.
Posted by: Trochilus | April 12, 2008, 11:53 am 11:53 am
I guess all of you people forget how much the Clintons have donated to charity and the time they put in on different things over the years. She didn’t come from a priveleged background and she worked hard to get what she has and where she is. Quit being jealous.
Posted by: J | April 12, 2008, 11:55 am 11:55 am
politicians just don’t get it, we are bitter and disgusted with government and businesses shipping jobs out of the country for money. Government needs to change
Posted by: goodwins | April 12, 2008, 11:56 am 11:56 am
ron, just curious…If everybody was doing so great during the Clinton years than why wasn’t his vice president elected? The Clintons are part of the problem not the solution. Democrats should wake up to that. The Clintons were the reason George W. was elected in the first place. America deserves better than Clinton Act II.
Posted by: indy_voter | April 12, 2008, 11:57 am 11:57 am
indy voter,
BECAUSE GEORGE BUSH STOLE THE ELECTION!
Posted by: J | April 12, 2008, 12:00 pm 12:00 pm
Obama’s comments were proceeded by a direct question from one of the billionaries as to why he was having difficulty rallying the working class vote in PA.
Instead of amswering that he has been ineffective in convincing working class people of his program for change, he, in essence, blamed them and mischaracterized them as gun-toting, xenophobic, bitter and ignorant.
This was his audience and he was rewarded handsomely for one day’s work:
“If you do the math, on just this one day in the Bay Area, Obama went to four events, three of which had $2,300 minimum donations per ticket, and the other $1,000 minimum per ticket. Each of the events, from the various descriptions, held as many as 400 people (the Getty mansion has a ballroom that reportedly seats at least 300). 400 x $2,300 = $920,000 per event, times three events = $2.76 million, plus the other event, which undoubtedly puts him over $3 million in contributions for this one day alone. And who knows how many other similar days he schedules in other parts of the country.”
The truth is that working class people are less apt to be swayed by “Words, Just Words.”
Posted by: countallthevotes | April 12, 2008, 12:04 pm 12:04 pm
re: Carolina
You are so right about Obama’s disposition. I said noticed the same thing last evening. His nose high up in the air with an attitude “I am king”.
The more I listen to McCain the more I like him. If Hillary does not win, it’s republican. I do not vote for empty suits either.
stay the course for christ. he is knows what is going on. he is at work and we don’t know the detail. but we are on the winning side.
By and large, the public is dumb about obama and those dumb ones vote, so the mania continues. But the Lord has a way of getting in his omega’s last word. of course.
blessings,
Posted by: Democrat? | April 12, 2008, 12:05 pm 12:05 pm
MUNCIE, Ind. – Democrat Barack Obama on Saturday conceded that comments he made about bitter working class voters who “cling to guns or religion” were ill chosen, as he tried to stem a burst of complaints that he is condescending.
Hmmm…backtracking again I see.
Posted by: J | April 12, 2008, 12:06 pm 12:06 pm
Senator Obama told one of those truths that people don’t like to admit or hear especially the same ol politocos and pundits. The system is broken people and it desperatly needs someone with a fresh vision for the future. The way things have been working have caused this chasm that exists and some people just can’t be heard any longer when they are down that far. The elite are the folks presently in control, Mr. Obama is as close as you’re going to ever see that can relate to every day Americans. How can you believe Mrs. Clinton with her 109 million in the bank could ever relate to the average person or Mr. McCain with his wifes beer fortune? Let’s get real people – Mr. Obama could have worded that sentence better but the message rings 100% true.
Posted by: Rob | April 12, 2008, 12:15 pm 12:15 pm
gore lost because his campaign leg by donna brazille sucked and because the republicans in florida and on the us supreme court stole the election: bush was selected, not elected.
and times were good during the clinton years. good jobs with good pay.
bush is probusiness and let them run nafta into the ground.
obama is not going to win the general: he cannot carry one southern state; he will not carry ohio, florida or pennsylvania. he loses. then what? 4 more years of bush.
the democrat’s only hope is hillary: she is tough. she is vetted. her hide is thick and she works for the middle class.
Posted by: ron | April 12, 2008, 12:16 pm 12:16 pm
“a brie and chardonnay crowd in San Francisco”
At more than $2000 a head for a Pelosi kind of crowd to hear the magic mulatto diss the lumps, the most amazing thing is that these remarks even made it OUT of the gathering.
Posted by: Edgar Cayce | April 12, 2008, 12:28 pm 12:28 pm
the clintons had nothing before exiting the presidency. i for one am happy that they are finally making money after all the bull they put up with from republicans.
they know what it is like to be down.
obama seems to have forgotten his roots; acts more like a rich white man than a black man who knows the misery of poverty.
Posted by: ron | April 12, 2008, 12:30 pm 12:30 pm
Obama is a loser and obviously can’t speak off the cuff. He’s a disaster and the Dims leadership now know it. They have given another gift to the republicans. Thank you for that..
Posted by: Rich B | April 12, 2008, 12:31 pm 12:31 pm
It is sad when truth becomes a dirty word.
Senator Obama is right on the money and he had my vote.
Just call me angry, bitter and frustrated in Houston, Texas.
Posted by: Deward Bowles | April 12, 2008, 12:35 pm 12:35 pm
Ron writes:
“obama seems to have forgotten his roots; acts more like a rich white man than a black man who knows the misery of poverty.”
Obama’s “roots” were rich white people and elite schools. He’s never been poor: when he lacked any accoutrement of upper-class life — a mansion, a couple of corporate salaries or best-sellers — some mobster or corporation or university has stepped in to supply it.
Posted by: Edgar Cayce | April 12, 2008, 12:42 pm 12:42 pm
At least he’s consistent. He can acknowledge white discontent with affirmative action (i.e., govt-sanctioned racial penalties for being whites) and illegal immigration, but he refuses to allow that there can be sound, principled reasons for being opposed to them.
Posted by: Nietzschean | April 12, 2008, 12:45 pm 12:45 pm
It will be interesting to watch the corporate media – one part of which wants to purge its white guilt and the other part of which wants to hobble the Democrats in November – bail Obama out of this one.
Posted by: Andrew Austin | April 12, 2008, 12:50 pm 12:50 pm
So is there a reason why you Clintonites are making the same post twice? Your candidate comes from the family of lies, racism, and the most crap that can come out of anyone’s mouth. Sen. Obama spoke the truth and those who can’t handle it, are Clinton supporters who live in a rose colored world. You guys make me sick. The good news is that Obama will be president even without your votes. Thank God for miracles!
Posted by: Joe | April 12, 2008, 12:55 pm 12:55 pm
Lauren writes:
“WE NEED A PRESIDENT WHO WILL NOT SELL US OUT TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER”
That’d be John Edwards. The “diversity” twins are all ambition — and instead of mobsters and black separatists, Clinton’s saddled with Bill Clinton, whose post-presidential activities have been about raking in millions and running around in a top hat with George Bush I, who started Part I of the Iraq war.
If the Democrats don’t nominate Edwards, they’re going to lose the election to whoever’s place barmy Senator McCain’s holding.
Posted by: Edgar Cayce | April 12, 2008, 12:57 pm 12:57 pm
That screeching sound is Obama’s campaign veering off the tracks.
It’s kind of like watching the bridge-blow-up scene at the end of “Bridge over the River Kwai.” Can Democrats jump off in time to save themselves?
Posted by: SAM | April 12, 2008, 1:00 pm 1:00 pm
MUST READ: HILLARY SUPPORTS OUTSOURCING!
Los Angles, July 30, 2007
Gary Singh
In 2003, Tata Consultancy Services of India (TCS) opened a office in Buffalo with the help of Hillary Rodham Clinton and told a newspaper that it might hire as many as 200 people.
Tata has done more to undercut workers in upstate New York than it has helped
In 2003, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton helped the high-tech firm Tata Consultancy Services of India (TCS) to open a office in Buffalo, N.Y. by hoping that it would bring jobs to the area. Clinton later said the deal showed that outsourcing firms could create jobs both in their home countries and in the United States.
As a part of its program to expand its US presence, TCS will provide advanced IT training to new recruits. The training center is aptly named “Chrysalis”, a word signifying the evolution of a larva into a butterfly. Company executives explained that the name alludes to the transformation of bright new talent into advanced IT professionals who would lead the technology industry in the future. The firm said it had already hired 20 new recruits, primarily from western New York, and had plans to triple that number by the middle of next year. But over that same period, Tata sought H-1B visa certifications to import nearly 500 foreign computer programmers and other specialists to upstate New York.
Since 2003,”the reality is that it probably created many more jobs for workers overseas and displaced lots of American workers according to leading news papers.
NRI Sudesh Agnihotra from New York told our representative that NYC residence are very up-set that about 500 foreign computer programmers and other specialists were dumped in their State and they had no gain.
Clinton always said, the United States benefits by admitting high-tech workers from abroad. She backs proposals to increase the number of temporary visas for skilled foreigners.
This is also surprise to learn that when she addresses the union audiences and Democratic crowds, she does not mention her support for expanding foreign-worker visas
Most of the NRI supporters of Hillary Rodham Clinton are confused and up set of the out-come of Tata (TCS) deal.
How Hillary can claim to support American workers if she is also helping Indian outsourcing companies and proposing more worker visas.
Posted by: TRUTHPREVAILS | April 12, 2008, 1:01 pm 1:01 pm
Andrew Austin writes:
“It will be interesting to watch the corporate media – one part of which wants to purge its white guilt and the other part of which wants to hobble the Democrats in November – bail Obama out of this one.”
Don’t worry: Jonathan Alter and Chris Matthews will pout, and try to talk it to death on teevee.
Where’s Obama’s summer house, anyway? If he doesn’t HAVE one, whose does he use?
Posted by: Edgar Cayce | April 12, 2008, 1:02 pm 1:02 pm
Wonder why Billy is not surprosed guess who realesed this statement????YUP<<<< What goes around Billy comes around and I am a firm beliver in that statement Just hope I am here to see you and your wife fall flat on your faces ,People will smarten up when they see the monies from her BLIND TRUST and where it came from…LIARSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Posted by: honest | April 12, 2008, 1:07 pm 1:07 pm
Obama does nothing but stereotype people. He keeps putting other races down, in hopes that he looks better.
Neither McCain nor Clinton would have gotten away with saying: “the black community” clings to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”
As opposed to Medicaid, Food Stamps and Section 8, I’d prefer working, God, guns, trucks and church.
NO Barack Hussein Obama!
Posted by: 1VOTE | April 12, 2008, 1:09 pm 1:09 pm
See how a president answers a question.. he says yes I said it, this is what I am hearing, people are bitter, frustrated, and don’t trust the govt’.
Unlike Clinton, he did not whine, point the blame at someone else, say he’s human and misquoted. Unlike McCain he did not change his statement. Finally, someone is listening!!
I am bitter, he’s right! I don’t want or need to be talked to like a child by candidates trying to act as if they have my best insterest at heart, when they don’t even know what I am saying.
How can Hillary fight for me, when she cannot even hear that I am bitter, frustrated, and getting tired of empty promises from the government. Say what you wil, but 24 years of Bush & Clinton is enough! We need change!
Posted by: Edith | April 12, 2008, 1:13 pm 1:13 pm
As a european i have a strong feeling that there is something wrong in the collective mindset of Americans:
1. You are getting poorer in absolute terms and very poor in relative terms comapred to europeans, japanese & fast growing economies like china, Korea,…
The leading economy at a great distance is just about to be overtaken by china or many others in just a decade or less time
2. You are getting less powerful everyday because you commited yourself to a wrong war: your armed forces are overstretched, you are sustaining the wrong war with chinese money you have to pay dearly for many years to come. Beside that the rest of the world like the russians and chinese are quietly working to overtake your influence.
3. You are viewed less favourably everywhere in the world even in Israel.
4. The so-called union is cracking because your original declarations like rights for Guns are obsolete & need an extensive overhaul. Guns never did any good.
With these and other alarming factors at hand, fighting for a comment that is in my view very precise is indicative of a downfall.
Wake up & see things globally and try to think rational.
Posted by: Samy | April 12, 2008, 1:20 pm 1:20 pm
Truth is Americans don’t like to hear the truth. Fact is very many of us are bitter and struggling.
I’m struggling big time and I can connect to what Obama is saying. I’m tired of politicians trying to sell us false hopes.
The Clintons are such LIARS looking at the blue collars workers in the eye and lying to them.
Posted by: truth | April 12, 2008, 1:21 pm 1:21 pm
What is the opinionated commented at the end of this story even doing on an ABC News story? I’m sure ABC News has journalistic standards that don’t allow this. If the crowd indeed seemed bored, I’m sure Obama’s comments were new to them and hard to follow. This story takes a shocking comment, too, and makes it boring and hard to follow.
The public reaction is outrage and many think this divisive, judgmental, stereotypical comment by Obama about small town America will end is campaign. It’s that big. If you hear and see the video of what Obama said, it’s like hearing his beloved “uncle” Rev. Wright all over again. They hate most Americans.
Posted by: AJ Sumner | April 12, 2008, 1:45 pm 1:45 pm
Where has Michelle Obama gotten to?? Why hasn’t SHE — the only formerly-unrich individual in the Obama machine — emerged, to try to explain it all away?
Is Obama expecting?
Posted by: Edgar Cayce | April 12, 2008, 1:52 pm 1:52 pm
Edgar Cayce | Apr 12, 2008 1:52:58 PM
I have a feeling that she’s on a very short leash these days. The problem is that now Obama’s supporters have to put him in a short leash too! Imagine, a candidate who can’t be allowed to speak in public.
For Obama supporters so enamored of him for reasons of change, please explain to me how a smart, well-educated, and prominent guy like Obama sat in his church’s pews while his pastor told lies about HIV, crack, and the use of atomic weapons. I’ll leave the anti-Semitism and anti-American diatribes to someone else. Again, how to you explain those away as “controversial” or mere matters of disagreement?
Obama selfishly and cowardly sat in the pews of his church because he desperately needed Wright and his congregants for political support. In other words, he’s just another unprincipled politician–he just happens to be running for president before he’s compiled an even more objectionable list of associations.
To be clear, I couldn’t care less about the source of Wright’s anger. It’s irrelevant to the point of Obama’s cowardice in the face of intellectually indefensible lies. He sat there, knowing better, and allowed a foul-mouthed demagogue infect the hearts and minds of many congregants SOLELY for political gain. It’s the height of cowardice and the height of political calculation.
I hope he gets buried in the next several primaries. I really thought he was going to pull this off, but he can’t help shooting himself in the foot.
He’s the dumbest smart person we’ve come across in some time.
Posted by: SAM | April 12, 2008, 2:13 pm 2:13 pm
SAM writes:
“I hope he gets buried in the next several primaries.”
If NON-”white” and unrich voters in small towns in the remaining primary states figure out that he has the same contempt for THEM . . .
Posted by: Edgar Cayce | April 12, 2008, 2:18 pm 2:18 pm
I want to know where Obama specifically said that “white” people cling to guns & religion. I thought he said “they”, so there are no black people in PA or any other small towns? & from my perspective when things are tough people do go to church more & they pray more. They do cling to religion because if you believe in God, you believe he can change your situation. & a lot of people who can’t feed there children would rather do a crime than to have their children starve. So yes people do cling to guns. This is not a black or white issue its a economic issue.
If you are not in an area where families have changed because of outsourcing you have no clue how bitter people really are.
Obama 08 YES, WE CAN!!!
Posted by: cc | April 12, 2008, 2:24 pm 2:24 pm
cc writes:
“This is not a black or white issue its a economic issue.”
Of COURSE it’s an economic issue. There AREN’T really any “black or white” issues — and a half-”black” birthday suit really doesn’t constitute POLITICAL “change”.
Maybe Mike Gravel, who’s still on the North Carolina ballot as a Democrat, will get a lot of protest votes . . .
Posted by: Edgar Cayce | April 12, 2008, 2:33 pm 2:33 pm
You think peope are bitter now, Senator Obama? Just wait until you are elected and they find out that you can’t fix all their problems.
When will the ignorant masses learn to stop looking to politicians to make them happy and fulfilled? The economy goes up, the economy goes down. The stock market goes up, the stock market goes down. There will always be good times and bad times. During my lifetime, I have noticed that, for the most part, the government usually makes things worse, not better. STOP looking for the government to fix all your problems for you. Take a hard look at your life and realize that you are probably in the situation you are in because you made some bad choices. STOP expecting other people and especially politicians to fix it for you. Take responsibility for your own actions.
Now everybody, Democrat, Republican or Independent repeat after me:
“My will shall shape the future. Whether I fail or succeed shall be no man’s doing but my own. I am the force; I can clear any obstacle before me or I can be lost in the maze. My choice; my responsibility; win or lose, only I hold the key to my destiny.” AMEN, AMEN and AMEN!!!!!
And one more thing: Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, or John McCain is NOT your savior.
Posted by: BubbaJ | April 12, 2008, 2:40 pm 2:40 pm
BubbaJ writes:
“When will the ignorant masses learn to stop looking to politicians to make them happy and fulfilled?”
If the masses are “ignorant”, it is MOSTLY the fault of politicians, of the truly rich who run them, and of the captive mouthpieces in the corporate press.
Posted by: Edgar Cayce | April 12, 2008, 2:51 pm 2:51 pm
Nice try, Edgar, shifting the blame again.
The ignorant masses can’t be bothered to really listen and pay attention to the world around them. All they hear is politicians making promises they can’t keep to make their lives better. And they believe every word of it, as if it hasn’t all been said before. It’s all fresh and clean and new to them. They want someone to make their lives better, when in most cases the only person who can do that is themselves. Why do you think politicians never talk about taking things away from people like social security or welfare. No, they talk about giving you more and more and more. They buy votes with other people’s money (taxes) by promising the moon. Doesn’t that bother you?
It’s got nothing to do with politicians being in the pockets of the rich or corporations. All of that would mean nothing if people stopped voting for them because they expect fringe benefits. STOP giving the government so much power over your lives people!
The government that has the power to give you everything you want has the power to take it all away.
Posted by: BubbaJ | April 12, 2008, 3:07 pm 3:07 pm
BubbaJ writes:
“The ignorant masses can’t be bothered to really listen and pay attention to the world around them. All they hear is politicians making promises they can’t keep to make their lives better.”
This Ayn Rand rap is a little out of date.
The “ignorant masses” might be a teeny bit inattentive because of the ten hours a day in a chicken processing plant, or whatever. Not enough time spent listening to Jonathan Alter.
Posted by: Edgar Cayce | April 12, 2008, 3:15 pm 3:15 pm
NC R’s are registering as D’s to vote for Hillary, not Obama. We want to keep this going as long as possible. Watch Denver explode…
Posted by: lutonmoore | April 12, 2008, 3:42 pm 3:42 pm
Gas = 3.29 a gallon
Milk = 3.89 a gallon
We owe China billions of dollars to fund a war,I say again China a communist country owns us economically, You are dam right I am bitter. I don’t think he is saying rual america is only about there guns and religion, I think he was trying to say when it comes to politics most of the time you will vote based on if this is the type of guy that wants to enforce stricter gun regs, etc… Obama actually has a good plan for hunters if anyone would bother to actually read, I don’t see Hillary site with anything about hunting, he actually wants to open up more areas for people to hunt. So actaully do some research on the candidate before you open your mouth.
Posted by: Jim South Dakota | April 12, 2008, 3:54 pm 3:54 pm
“Only Edwards — who can speak plainly without having the words put into his mouth by others…”
Puh-leeze. This socialist ambulance chaser’s washed up.
Posted by: lutonmoore | April 12, 2008, 4:03 pm 4:03 pm
The second amenement is about more than “hunting”… something that seems to be lost on Obama. If he wins, I’m buying lots of guns, ammo, and a shovel…
Posted by: Brad | April 12, 2008, 4:24 pm 4:24 pm
Brad writes:
“If he wins, I’m buying lots of guns, ammo, and a shovel…”
The shovel’s for the victory garden?
Better stock up on guns now, just in case.
Obama’s courting rednecks, presumably, about “hunting”. What’s his pitch to armed “urban” types?
Posted by: Edgar Cayce | April 12, 2008, 4:36 pm 4:36 pm
Why should working class whites vote for a guy who clearly holds them in contempt and who of sound mind chose as his pastor, spiritual mentor and close friend of 20+ years a christiant Louis Farrakhan. I pity his sad, ailing white granny. Obama’s going to lose big time!
Posted by: Nietzschean | April 12, 2008, 4:55 pm 4:55 pm
“The second amenement is about more than “hunting”… something that seems to be lost on Obama.”
Yepper. Those are all INDIVIDUAL rights. I love to see these D’s spinning out. They got two socialists against an actual war hero. I’ll hold my nose and vote for McCain.
Posted by: lutonmoore | April 12, 2008, 4:55 pm 4:55 pm
I know where Hillary knows about
the average American. We all know her
parents sacraficed to give her two bothers and her
good education, like so many average Americans
I often wonder??? Who paid for Obama’s
education? Seems like he got the best.
Where did the money come from? What
about his white family? Did they help him?
Funny, I think the Obama’s are very secretive.
I want to know more about his family background. I know it costs a hellovalot of money to educate your kids. I did just that with
my two. It was a struggle. Did Obama ever struggle for anything. Maybe that’s why he gave
the “elitist” speech in Pa. I would like to
know the truth about him. Sometimes, I thing hbelieve he should just start another church and go preach, like his friend.
Posted by: J. Sandberg | April 12, 2008, 6:06 pm 6:06 pm
Robbins Mitchell: that’s an immortal, if probably politically incorrect, political assessment: no one who sees it will EVER — yea, even should one be forever banned for saying so! — forget it.
Maybe NOW he and Clinton — who’s “likeable enough”, as the ninny memorably remarked, disdainfully, in what passes for debate on teevee, but saddled with BILL Clinton — will retire from the field for the good of the Republic, and leave the nomination to John Edwards, the hem of whose bootstrap neither of them is really fit, politically or in life experience, regardless of birthday suits and the “diversity” concerns of the Democratic Party’s so-caloled “leadership”, to touch.
Posted by: Edgar Cayce | April 12, 2008, 7:42 pm 7:42 pm
J, I disagree. George W. did not steal the election. It was given to him on a platter because Gore was saddled with the distasteful conduct of Clintons and could never recover. No candidate could have. With a booming economy Democrats should have won in a cakewalk. It was the Clintons that lost that election and will lose again. The Clintons are tiresome and boorish and America needs a change from the stink of GW’s presidency and not a return to the stink of the Clinton’s.
Posted by: indy_voter | April 13, 2008, 12:38 pm 12:38 pm