By MichaelJames

Apr 13, 2008 5:51pm

Obama Allies Avoid Trying to Explain Most Controversial Part of His Remarks

As Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., and his allies have locked into damage control mode and attempted to explain his controversial remarks about small-town Pennsylvanians, they’ve attempted to focus their pushback away from the most controversial part of his remarks to an elite crowd at a San Francisco fundraiser.

Obama told the crowd: "You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. So it’s not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion, or antipathy to people who aren’t like them, or anti-immigrant sentiment, or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

While the description of small town Pennsylvanians as "bitter" is certainly impolitic, many political analysts say it’s what follows that adjective that is potentially so alienating — the notion that small town folks "get bitter" after which "they cling to guns or religion, or antipathy to people who aren’t like them, or anti-immigrant sentiment, or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

But Obama allies are trying to focus on the "bitter" part alone.

A robo-call on behalf of the Obama campaign from Mayor John Brenner of York, Pa., says that, "Barack Obama understands us. He’s got it right, we are frustrated — frustrated with polices that enable businesses to leave our community, pensions to be stripped, health care benefits to be taken away and homes foreclosed.  Unlike his opponents, who have been part of the Washington establishment that are out of touch with us, Barack Obama will change Washington.  It is policies that hurt us. He will take on the special interests and fight for us."

Listen to the call HERE.

On Obama’s Web site, a public letter from 21 Pennsylvania "elected officials and community leaders from small towns and rural areas throughout Pennsylvania" defend him, saying, "What Sen. Obama said is that over the last 25-30 years, working class people in places like Pennsylvania have been falling behind, and that politicians in Washington haven’t been looking out for them.  He also said that, as a result, many people have become frustrated, angry and even bitter about all the broken promises. He was right."

No mention of the "cling"-ing to guns or religion.

Likewise, when Obama’s most valued surrogate in the Keystone State, Sen. Bob Casey, D-Pa., took to CNN this morning, he steered clear of explaining the guns and religion part of Obama’s comments, even when pressed specifically to explain it.

"He expressed regret and we understand," Casey said. "I think he understands why some people could be offended by those words. But here’s the larger point.  He was trying to express the frustration that people feel, not only with this economy, but what has been happening in Washington, where special interests have had a stranglehold on the process in Washington."

Asked anchor Wolf Blitzer: "What did he mean when he said, they become bitter, and then he said, they cling to guns or religion.  What did he mean by that?"

"Wolf, I think he’s trying to express frustrations that people have," Casey said, "And there’s no question that people shouldn’t generalize about how people think about these issues.  I think he was just trying to express it.  He used a poor choice of words. He’s taken responsibility for it.  And he said he deeply regretted the words that he chose."

Obama, for his part, has tried to explain the most controversial part.

In an interview with the Winston-Salem Journal, he said, "If I worded things in a way that made people offended, I deeply regret that. … What I meant was something that I don’t think any of us can argue with, which is that people feel abandoned after 20 or 25 years of plants closing, jobs not coming back. People feel like Washington’s not listening to them, and as a consequence, they find that they can only rely on the traditions and the things that have been important to them for generation after generation. Faith. Family. Traditions like hunting. And they get frustrated.”

In Muncie, Ind., he said, per ABC News’ Sunlen Miller, "There are a whole bunch of folks in small towns … who are bitter. They are angry. They feel like they’ve been left behind. They feel like nobody’s paying attention to what they’re going through. So I said, well you know, when you’re bitter, you turn to what you can count on. So people, you know, they vote about guns or they take comfort from their faith, and their family, and their community, and they get mad about illegal immigrants who are coming over to this country, or they get frustrated about how things are changing. That’s a natural response. Now, I didn’t say it as well as I should have, because the truth is, is that these traditions that are passed on from generation to generation — those are important. That’s what sustains us. But what is absolutely true is that people don’t feel like they’re being listened to." 

- jpt

User Comments

Needless to say, Obama and his surrogates are trying to reframe the dialogue into whether or not people in small towns (though I think it also applies to working class in general as that is the group to which he was referring) are bitter.
What he said on Billionaire’s Row was far more injurious and damaging than just being “bitter.” It was a wholesale dismissal of working class way of life and religious belief system as something not worthy of respect, not heartfelt, not valued by him. Most egregious to me is the locale with billionaires as the audience, and the press prohibited from attendence. It sounded like an unscripted presentation and that is all the more telling.
I think we finally got a glimpse at Obama’s soul.

Posted by: countallthevotes | April 13, 2008, 6:06 pm 6:06 pm

He was talking about voting behavior not eco-sociological reasons why people like guns and their faith.

Posted by: Colin Hicks | April 13, 2008, 6:11 pm 6:11 pm

There goes Obama, he basically rendered himself unelectable.

Posted by: Michael | April 13, 2008, 6:15 pm 6:15 pm

Are people not BITTER they are losing their homes, jobs, that America is heading towards a recession?????
If this is not the height of hypocrisy and and stupidity of people to be jumping all over this….. maybe the AMERICAN people truly deserve Hillary Clinton as President.

Posted by: vansupport | April 13, 2008, 6:15 pm 6:15 pm

Go back and listen to the Charlie Rose interview of Obama in 2004. He said exactly the same things…better and clearer, but exactly the same things. They were true then and they’re true now.
Its wonderful to hear Obama speak to adults like adults. I’m REALLY tired of people like Bush and Hillary Clinton pissing down my leg and then telling me its raining.

Posted by: Susan E. | April 13, 2008, 6:20 pm 6:20 pm

Sorry, but Obama essentially called rural voters in Pennsylvania white trash. Politicians can think that, can talk in dismissive, patronizing tones in private, but Obama thought it would be wise to acknowledge his feelings in a public statement. Will he spin his way out of this one? He’s got a week and a couple of days, I’m not counting him out.

Posted by: shellray | April 13, 2008, 6:21 pm 6:21 pm

WHY would TWO PENNSYLVANIAN NEWSPAPERS endorse Barack Obama for President TODAY if his comments on their own state were examples of elitism and condescension?

Posted by: Hank | April 13, 2008, 7:50 pm 7:50 pm

1. The Clinton years were a MIXED BAG!
2. Al Gore was UNABLE to extend the ‘stained’ ‘Clinton years’ pass the turned up noses of Americans. Thank god! lol
3. As was foreshadowed by his ineptness from the start, the ‘Bush years’ are a horror show. But sadly for America’s karma, that was what the Clinton years merit — a continued slide into the American abyss.
4. If only the Clintons were not so self-destructive, they would have cooled their self-absorbed jets over the years, appear more ‘humble’, less arrogant, less ‘entitled’, and allow the Bush years to redeem the horror shows of the Clinton years.
5. Now we see the Clintons as LIARS and as self-absorbed and self-destructive as ever.
6. Notice the Clintons cashing in on trade deals on the one hand, and FEIGN opposition on the other.
American workers, BE NOT FOOLED by the self-absorbed Clintons.
Those who are shameless cannot care for Americans, cannot care for the Presidency of AL Gore!

Posted by: New Yorker | April 13, 2008, 7:50 pm 7:50 pm

I can hear Obama now…”Well, folks..I know I stated before that, we, uh- were going to withdraw from Iraq, but um, what I meant to state was..”

Posted by: How it will Really BE | April 13, 2008, 7:55 pm 7:55 pm

ahhh i love it. the democrats making themselves look like tooootal idiots even before the general election. a thing of beauty.

Posted by: tim | April 13, 2008, 7:55 pm 7:55 pm

It will be Obama in 08

Posted by: Thinking | April 13, 2008, 7:56 pm 7:56 pm

To “Thinking”:
Hillary probably will “lose” thanks to morons like you who can’t spell.

Posted by: Marross | April 13, 2008, 7:56 pm 7:56 pm

To “Thinking”:
Hillary probably will “lose” thanks to morons like you who can’t spell.

Posted by: Marross | April 13, 2008, 7:56 pm 7:56 pm

Anyone need any Snake Oil?

Posted by: Rasputin3.14 | April 13, 2008, 7:57 pm 7:57 pm

MEN ARE TO BLAME FOR 9/11. THINK ABOUT IT. MEN BUILT THE TOWERS. MEN IN THE WHITE HOUSE. BIN LADEN IS A MAN. MEN HIJACKED THE PLANES!!!
(men are evil)
HILLARY ’08!

Posted by: Matt | April 13, 2008, 7:57 pm 7:57 pm

Note that comments about CLINTON’s foibles and shortcomings in NO way diminish the disaster of candidate Obama.
countallthevotes, in the very first comment here, writes:
“Obama and his surrogates are trying to reframe the dialogue into whether or not people in small towns (though I think it also applies to working class in general as that is the group to which he was referring) are bitter.
What he said on Billionaire’s Row was FAR MORE INJURIOUS AND DAMAGING [emphasis added] than just being “bitter.” It was a wholesale dismissal of working class way of life and religious belief system as something not worthy of respect, not heartfelt, not valued by him. Most egregious to me is the locale with billionaires as the audience, and the press prohibited from attendence. It sounded like an unscripted presentation and that is all the more telling.”

Posted by: Edgar Cayce | April 13, 2008, 7:57 pm 7:57 pm

To “Thinking”:
Hillary probably will “lose” thanks to morons like you, who can’t even spell. Obama is a smug, arrogant phoney who is selling you a bill of goods.

Posted by: Marross | April 13, 2008, 7:58 pm 7:58 pm

Jack’s one of those blind maniacal Obama supporters who can’t accept basic logic and reality. He has to project his own hatred and despair onto others who he feels threatened by. That’s typical of many Obama supporters. That’s why we need to dump this Obama-dude immediately. He cannot win.

Posted by: john | April 13, 2008, 7:59 pm 7:59 pm

In the news today:
Bush Security Adviser Can’t Tell The Difference Between Nepal And Tibet
Want more of this?
Vote John McCain!

Posted by: Hank | April 13, 2008, 8:00 pm 8:00 pm

Marros,
Glad to see you see it my way
Obama08

Posted by: Thinking | April 13, 2008, 8:00 pm 8:00 pm

I am sooooooooooo glad I am not a democrat! This man is the front runner? Geez, what a sad state of affairs. I almost feel sorry for you Dems but you are electing him not me.

Posted by: Jason | April 13, 2008, 8:00 pm 8:00 pm

This is the point…why do people vote against their own economic self-interest? Because, since they have lost faith in government, they vote on other issue, i.e. guns and abortion (religion). It is not an insult, it’s a fact. It makes no sense that people who are losing jobs and have relatively low incomes would vote Republican. Republican economic policy is not geared towards helping those people. It is free market, wholly capitalist, trickle down…no help with your mortgage or unemployment. Republicans are all for free trade, industry leaves the country, find something else to do.
This is typical stuff that happens in this country, we are so easily distracted from what matters (economy, war, environment) and spend endless time and energy on things that don’t matter.
Obama did grow up in a single family home. Kerry, you should do you homework. His mother needed food stamps to provide for her family until she re-married. She took Barack with her to Indonesia (where he attended a Christian school) until he was 10 or so. She then sent him to Hawaii to live with his grandparents because she felt education was so important. They did send him to a prep school, but it was on a scholarship.
The idea that he is racist is absurd. He was raised in a WHITE family. Our society puts the title black on him (and others like him) even though that his only half of who he is.
The spewing of hate is very sad. The whole Muslim thing is ridiculous. It is really just an excuse. Everyone with so much hate in their heart should step back and really examine what has made them so bitter. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but wouldn’t it be so much more productive to put this amount of energy towards positive things? Anyone who has the guts to run for President of this country deeply cares about it and it’s people, why else put yourself and your family through the hell that the campaign entails. We should treat these people with respect and discuss things that really matter. In case you haven’t noticed, our country and it’s people are in trouble. Maybe if we try to look towards a common goal of bettering our future, things will improve.

Posted by: white_girl | April 13, 2008, 8:01 pm 8:01 pm

Hey Superdelegates are you paying attention to this buffoon?
I’ll vote for Clinton in November. If she isn’t nominated, I’ll vote for McCain.
There’s no way I want a deceptive empty suit like Barack Obama anywhere near the presidency of the United States.

Posted by: Sammy R | April 13, 2008, 8:01 pm 8:01 pm

CountalltheVotes,
I actually agree. This was unscripted and finally a glimpse of the real man. He is elitist – not that he doesn’t care or won’t care for the working class, but that they’re somehow beneath him and his class (elite university educated and wealthy) who need to be guided as to the errors of their ways.
For anyone with any familiarity with academia, this is exactly how most University Socialists (or, really, just University Scholars) act and think.
For better or worse.

Posted by: JA | April 13, 2008, 8:01 pm 8:01 pm

OBAMA BASHERS!
WHY would TWO PENNSYLVANIAN NEWSPAPERS endorse Barack Obama for President TODAY if his comments on their own state were examples of elitism and condescension?
Why did’t they prefer Hillary’s description?: “As I travel around Pennsylvania, I meet people who are resilient, who are optimistic, who are positive, who are rolling up their sleeves. They are working hard everyday for a better future, for themselves and their children.”
Maybe because Obama is telling a truth about Pennsylvania, and Hillary a lie? Maybe they think that Hillary’s decription of PA reality is totally OUT OF TOUCH with what actually and on the ground is going on?
Whatever they thought, these Pennsylvanians who know all about their state decided in favor of Barack Obama.

Posted by: Hank | April 13, 2008, 8:01 pm 8:01 pm

Obama LAUNDRY LIST OF LIES.
1.) Selma Got Me Born – LIAR, your parents felt safe enough to have you in 1961 – Selma had no effect on your birth, as Selma was in 1965.
2.) Father Was A Goat Herder – LIAR, he was a privileged, well educated youth, who went on to work with the Kenyan Government.
3.) Father Was A Proud Freedom Fighter – LIAR, he was part of one of the most corrupt and violent governments Kenya has ever had
4.) My Family Has Strong Ties To African Freedom – LIAR, your cousin Raila Odinga has created mass violence in attempting to overturn a legitimate election in 2007, in Kenya. It is the first widespread violence in decades.
5.) My Grandmother Has Always Been A Christian – LIAR, she does her daily Salat prayers at 5am according to her own interviews. Not to mention, Christianity wouldn’t allow her to have been one of 14 wives to 1 man.
6.) My Name is African Swahili – LIAR, your name is Arabic and ‘Baraka’ (from which Barack came) means ‘blessed’ in that language. Hussein is also Arabic and so is Obama.
7.) I Never Practiced Islam – LIAR, you practiced it daily at school, where you were registered as a Muslim and kept that faith for 31 years,until your wife made you change, so you could run for office.
8.) My School In Indonesia Was Christian – LIAR, you were registered as Muslim there and got in trouble in Koranic Studies for making faces (check your own book).
9.) I Was Fluent In Indonesian – LIAR, not one teacher says you could speak the language.
10.) Because I Lived In Indonesia, I Have More Foreign Experience – LIAR, you were there from the ages of 6 to 10, and couldn’t even speak the language. What did you learn, how to study the Koran and watch cartoons.
11.) I Am Stronger On Foreign Affairs – LIAR, except for Africa (surprise) and the Middle East (bigger surprise), you have never been anywhere else on the planet and thus have NO experience with our closest allies.
12.) I Blame My Early Drug Use On Ethnic Confusion – LIAR, you were quite content in high school to be Barry Obama, no mention of Kenya and no mention of struggle to identify – your classmates said you were just fine.
13.)An Ebony Article Moved Me To Run For Office – LIAR, Ebony has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn’t, and never did, exist.
14.) A Life Magazine Article Changed My Outlook On Life – LIAR, Life has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn’t, and never did, exist.
15.) I Won’t Run On A National Ticket In ‘08 – LIAR, here you are, despite saying, live on TV, that you would not have enough experience by then, and you are all about having experience first.
16.) Present Votes Are Common In Illinois – LIAR, they are common for YOU, but not many others have 130 NO VOTES.
17.) Oops, I Misvoted – LIAR, only when caught by church groups and democrats, did you beg to change your misvote.
18.) I Was A Professor Of Law – LIAR, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.
19.) I Was A Constitutional Lawyer – LIAR, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.
20.) Without Me, There Would Be No Ethics Bill – LIAR, you didn’t write it,introduce it, change it, or create it.
21.) The Ethics Bill Was Hard To Pass – LIAR, it took just 14 days from start to finish.
22.) I Wrote A Tough Nuclear Bill – LIAR, your bill was rejected by your own party for its pandering and lack of all regulation – mainly because of your Nuclear Donor, Exelon, from which David Axelrod came.
23.) I Have Released My State Records – LIAR, as of March, 2008, state bills you sponsored or voted for have yet to be released, exposing all the special interests pork hidden within.
24.) I Took On The Asbestos Altgeld Gardens Mess – LIAR, you were part of a large group of people who remedied Altgeld Gardens. You failed to mention anyone else but yourself, in your books.
25.) My Economics Bill Will Help America – LIAR, your 111 economic policies were just combined into a proposal which lost 99-0, and even YOU voted against your own bill.
26.) I Have Been A Bold Leader In Illinois – LIAR, even your own supporters claim to have not seen BOLD action on your part.
27.) I Passed 26 Of My Own Bills In One Year – LIAR, they were not YOUR bills, but rather handed to you, after their creation by a fellow Senator, to assist you in a future bid for higher office.
28.) No One Contacted Canada About NAFTA – LIAR, the Candian Government issued the names and a memo of the conversation your campaign had with them.
29.) I Am Tough On Terrorism – LIAR, you missed the Iran Resolution vote on terrorism and your good friend Ali Abunimah supports the destruction of Israel.
30.) I Am Not Acting As President Yet – LIAR, after the NAFTA Memo, a dead terrorist in the FARC, in Colombia, was found with a letter stating how you and he were working together on getting FARC recognized officially.
31.) I Didn’t Run Ads In Florida – LIAR, you allowed national ads to run 8-12 times per day for two weeks – and you still lost.
32.) I Won Michigan – LIAR, no you didn’t.
33.) I won Nevada – LIAR, no you did not.
34.) I Want All Votes To Count – LIAR, you said let the delegates decide.
35.) I Want Americans To Decide – LIAR, you prefer caucuses that limit the vote, confuse the voters, force a public vote, and only operate during small windows of time.
36.) I passed 900 Bills in the State Senate – LIAR, you passed 26, most of which you didn’t write yourself.
37.) My Campaign Was Extorted By A Friend – LIAR, that friend is threatening to sue if you do not stop saying this. Obama has stopped saying this.
38.) I Believe In Fairness, Not Tactics – LIAR, you used tactics to eliminate Alice Palmer from running against you.
39.) I Don’t Take PAC Money – LIAR, you take loads of it.
40.) I don’t Have Lobbysists – LIAR, you have over 47 lobbyists, and counting.
41.) My Campaign Had Nothing To Do With The 1984 Ad – LIAR, your own campaign worker made the ad on his Apple in one afternoon.
42.) My Campaign Never Took Over MySpace – LIAR, Tom, who started MySpace issued a warning about this advertising to MySpace clients.
43.) I Inspire People With My Words – LIAR, you inspire people with other people’s words.
44.) I Have Passed Bills In The U.S. Senate – LIAR, you have passed A BILL in the U.S. Senate – for Africa, which shows YOUR priorities.
45.) I Have Always Been Against Iraq – LIAR, you weren’t in office to vote against it AND you have voted to fund it every single time, unlike Kucinich, who seems to be out gutting you Obama. You also seem to be stepping back from your departure date – AGAIN.
46.) I Have Always Supported Universal Health Care – LIAR, your plan leaves us all to pay the 15,000,000 who don’t have to buy it.
47.) I Only Found Out About My Investment Conflicts Via Mail – LIAR, both companies you site as having sent you letters about this conflict have no record of any such letter ever being created or sent.
48.) I Am As Patriotic As Anyone – LIAR, you won’t wear a flag pin and you don’t put your hand over your heart during the Anthem.
49.) My Wife Didn’t Mean What She Said About Pride In Country – LIAR, your wife’s words follow lock-step in the vain of Wright and Farrahkan, in relation to their contempt and hatred of America.
50.) Wal-Mart Is A Company I Wouldn’t Support – LIAR, your wife has received nearly a quater of a million dollars through Treehouse, which is connected to Wal-Mart.
51.) Treehouse Is A Small Company – LIAR, the CEO of Treehouse last year, made more than the CEO of Wal-Mart, according to public records.
52.) University Of Chicago Hospital Pay Is Fair – LIAR, your wife’s pay raise was nearly 150% her already bloated rate and the hospital is a Non-Profit Hospital, which made $100,000,000 in the last 3 years. They overcharge blacks VS whites for services, and overcharge everyone in general by 538%!
53.)I Barely Know Rezko – Only 5 Billed Hours – LIAR, you have known him for 17 years, and decided to do a real estate deal with him during a time when he was proven to be under investigation. Despite this, you divided your property and had them take off $300K before the mortgage problems started. Then Rezko’s wife buys the lot beside it that you can’t afford, saving you $625,000.
54.) My Donations Have Been Checked Thoroughly – LIAR, you only gave back Hsu ($72K) and Rezko ($150K) their money when publically called on their involvement in your campaigns.
55.) My Church Is Like Any Other Christian Church – LIAR, your church is so extreme, the pastor who married you, Rev. Wright, just got done blaming the US for 9/11 and named Louis Farrahkan their person of the year.
56.) I Disagree With My Church All The Time – LIAR, you still have yet to repudiate Wright, who married you and your wife, and you still donate large sums of money to assist the church in furthering its message – hatred and revenge. You donated in 2006 alone, $22,500 to the church that you so terribly disagree with. That is nearly $500 PER WEEK – that sure is disagreement, Senator Obama.
57.) I Have Clean Connections Despite Rezko – LIAR, you are not only connected to Exelon and Rezko, you are also connected to Hillary PAC supporter Mr. Hsu, AND an Iraqi Billionaire of ill repute, Nadhmi Auchi, who ripped off people in the Food For Oil, Iraqi deal. Seems Mr. Auchi may have helped Obama buy his million dollar property long before Obama had millions of dollars. Wonder what favors Mr. Auchi expects, when Obama leaves Iraq free to be taken over by special interests such as him.
58.) I never heard sermons like Rev. Wright’s, that have been in videos all day, You Tube – LIAR! 3 days later during your Mea Culpa BS speech you said “Did I hear controversial statements while sitting in the pew yes!”

Posted by: ted | April 13, 2008, 8:03 pm 8:03 pm

I concur with you Mr. Bento and am sorry for your loss and the loss of too many of our best and brightest. May Jason and his comrades rest in peace and may our country truly take care of the Veterans coming home scarred. The toll this war has taken on our soldiers, sailors and airmen and their family in too high a price to pay for no return at all. We have been in Iraq for longer than it took to win WW2 and the Iraqis are doing nothing so long as we keep paying them more than we pay our own soldiers. Since when does that make sense.? My nephew came back thank God in great shape but tells us horror stories about iraqis being given Steak and Lobster while our own men had to eat cold rations. Unbelievable you say? Go to any Veterans hospital and ask those who have been on the ground or go see Stop Loss. Bring our boy and girls home and get some more into Afghanistan and Pakistan where the real bad guys are tooling up. No forgiveness for Hillary or Cheney or especially Rumsfeld. Hillary is a better choice than Senator McWar but thankfully the better choice is in the lead.
Senator Barack Obama you could have done better on your commentary and I know that John and Hillary are afraid of you and the movement you have begun to take back the White House for the less fortunate than them. I will give you a pass on this one and expect more great things from you moving forward.
AIRBORNE ALL THE WAY.
Sam Slater

Posted by: SAM SLATER | April 13, 2008, 8:03 pm 8:03 pm

Does this guy think he’s fooling anybody? Everybody can read his comments and see that he is now LYING about what he meant.
We don’t need an elitist for a president and we don’t need a liar who thinks he can pull one over on voters.
Bye Bye Barry O. Clinton or McCain will get my vote.

Posted by: David | April 13, 2008, 8:03 pm 8:03 pm

“Religion is the opium for the masses.”
Haven’t we heard that one before?

Posted by: Marcus Train | April 13, 2008, 8:04 pm 8:04 pm

Are you listening to your gal, John?

Posted by: Jack | April 13, 2008, 8:05 pm 8:05 pm

Go

Posted by: john | April 13, 2008, 8:06 pm 8:06 pm

YES!!! Finally Tapper gets it even though most Obama supporters don’t. The issue is not whether people are bitter. Everyone knows the entire country is frustrated and angry. Yet all the supporters on here keep arguing over and over that the bitter comment was true. DUH. The problem that you guys avoid is this notion that people cling to religion and we somehow need to save them from that by making the economy better.
It’s like calling someone’s mother a wh*re and then defending yourself by arguing that what you said was true — that woman is your friends mother. The devil is in the second part.

Posted by: LAGuy | April 13, 2008, 8:07 pm 8:07 pm

I see, Jack’s a misogynist.

Posted by: john | April 13, 2008, 8:07 pm 8:07 pm

With each passing day it become more apparent the Hillary is getting desperate.
She is bound and determined to burn everything and everyone including herself to reach the white house.
She will not succeed

Posted by: Thinking | April 13, 2008, 8:07 pm 8:07 pm

I do not understand why the obama supporters-it is getting to the place now everytime he opens his mouth-he has to backtrack-we had the rev wright things and he had to make a speech about it.
He has said what he said about small town american-and now he is getting ready to make a speech about it.
everytime he opens his mouth these day
he messes up-and his suppoters immediately-turn to Sen. Clinton.
does she have her hand in his back also.
we know his handlers do-axelrod,dean,and co.
stop trying to explain away what obama does wrong-by pointing at Sen. Clinton.
He will not win the nomination
no fl
no mi
no hillary supporters
no small town america
and my black people are slowly waking up.
he will not win the nomination
he will not win the white house.
people have been saying he is not ready to be president-He is proving it everyday.
obama is not ready.
and he is hurting the chance of good candidates coming up through the ranks
those who are working hard and building a political resume’ that people will not have a lot of questions about and who will not be blank pages.

Posted by: jgaw | April 13, 2008, 8:07 pm 8:07 pm

The people who are rebuking Barack Obama for saying that Americans lean to religion and personal protection when times get hard are just looking for an excuse. These individuals were never going to vote for Obama anyway. That the man had to apologize was ridiculous and for Hillary and McCain to speak as though Americans are content is even more ridiculous. PEOPLE SAY THEY DO NOT WANT POLITICIANS TELLING THEM HOW THEY FEEL WELL THEY APPEAR TO LOVE HILLARY FOR IT. SHE ALMOST ALWAYS TWIST THE WAY AMERICANS FEELS TO MAKE IT A VOTE FOR HER. There was not anything to get insulted about and I see a lot of people do not even know what elitist means. If people knew what elitist meant they would know Barack Obama does not fit the bill but Hillary Clinton and John McCain do. ELITE – 1. Chosen; taken by preference from among two or more. “Colors quaint elect.” –Spenser.
2. (Theol.) Chosen as the object of mercy or divine favor; set apart to eternal life. “The elect angels.” –1 Tim. v. 21.
3. Chosen to an office, but not yet actually inducted into it; as, bishop elect; governor or mayor elect.
OR MAYBE HE IS… WHATEVER HILLARY HAS ONCE AGAIN TAKEN THE SPOTLIGHT OFF HERSELF WHEN THE VIEW WAS CRITICAL

Posted by: GAWANIA | April 13, 2008, 8:08 pm 8:08 pm

DON’T BE DUPED !!!
Large numbers of Republicans have been voting for Barack Obama in the DEMOCRATIC primaries, and caucuses from early on. Because they feel he would be a weaker opponent against John McCain. With Hillary Clinton you are almost 100% certain to get quality, affordable universal health care very soon.
But first, all of you have to make certain that Hillary Clinton takes the democratic nomination and then the Whitehouse. NOW! is the time. THIS! is the moment you have all been working, and waiting for. You can do this America. “Carpe diem” (harvest the day).
I think Hillary Clinton see’s a beautiful world of plenty for all. She’s a woman, and a mother. And it’s time America. Do this for your-selves, and your children’s future. You will have to work together on this and be aggressive, relentless, and creative. Americans face an even worse catastrophe ahead than the one you are living through now.
You see, the medical and insurance industry mostly support the republicans with the money they ripped off from you. And they don’t want you to have quality, affordable universal health care. They want to be able to continue to rip you off, and kill you and your children by continuing to deny you life saving medical care that you have already paid for. So they can continue to make more immoral profits for them-selves.
Hillary Clinton has actually won by much larger margins than the vote totals showed. And lost by much smaller vote margins than the vote totals showed. Her delegate count is actually much higher than it shows. And higher than Obama’s. She also leads in the electoral college numbers that you must win to become President in the November national election. HILLARY CLINTON IS ALREADY THE TRUE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE!
As much as 30% of Obama’s primary, and caucus votes are Republicans trying to choose the weakest democratic candidate for McCain to run against. These Republicans have been gaming the caucuses where it is easier to vote cheat. This is why Obama has not been able to win the BIG! states primaries. Even with Republican vote cheating help.
Hillary Clinton has been OUT MANNED! OUT GUNNED! and OUT SPENT! 4 and 5 to 1. Yet Obama has only been able to manage a very tenuous, and questionable tie with Hillary Clinton.
If Obama is the democratic nominee for the national election in November he will be slaughtered. Because the Republican vote cheating help will suddenly evaporate. All of this vote fraud and republican manipulation has made Obama falsely look like a much stronger candidate than he really is. YOUNG PEOPLE. DON’T BE DUPED! Think about it. You have the most to lose.
The democratic party needs to fix this outrage. Everyone needs to throw all your support to Hillary Clinton NOW! So you can end this outrage against YOU the voter, and against democracy.
The democratic party, and the super-delegates have a decision to make. Are the democrats, and the democratic party going to choose the DEMOCRATIC party nominee to fight for the American people. Or are the republicans going to choose the DEMOCRATIC party nominee through vote fraud, and gaming the DEMOCRATIC party primaries, and caucuses.
Fortunately the Clinton’s have been able to hold on against this fraudulent outrage with those repeated dramatic comebacks of Hillary Clinton’s. Only the Clinton’s are that resourceful, and strong. Hillary Clinton is your NOMINEE. They are the best I have ever seen.
“This is not a game” (Hillary Clinton)
Sincerely
jacksmith…

Posted by: jacksmith | April 13, 2008, 8:08 pm 8:08 pm

I think Hillary realizes she can’t win and that fact has made her incredibly bitter.

Posted by: AkaDad | April 13, 2008, 8:10 pm 8:10 pm

Lauren,
I see you are into quintuple overtime apologizing away for Obama’s ignorant remarks.
Good luck with that.
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Thank Obama for the Obama apologists.
Obama bless us all everyone!
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Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | April 13, 2008, 8:10 pm 8:10 pm

Hillary has already lost; she just doesn’t know it.
Obama08

Posted by: Thinking | April 13, 2008, 8:11 pm 8:11 pm

superdelegates beware and take note: obama is being bashed by hillary with help from the republicans, the republicans are helping hillary because she will be an easier nomineee to beat in november, vote obama the republicans are scared stiff of his fund-raising and new voetr attracting quality!!!! vote smart vote obama!!!! all the people saying they wont vote obama are mostly republicans not dems, when he is the nominee people will rally to him!

Posted by: jacobs | April 13, 2008, 8:12 pm 8:12 pm

Hillary claims that Gore and Kerry lost the election because they are ELITIST. Is she now claiming that the DEMOCRATIC PARTY is ELITIST?

Posted by: TT | April 13, 2008, 8:16 pm 8:16 pm

Marross: You are absolutely right. Obama was a salesman at one time and he is experienced at selling the public. I don’t think the public really knows everything about Obama. I am sure he has some skeletons in his closet that hasn’t come out yet. And I also agree with the comment that he could be dangerous. I don’t understand knowing that his pastor hates whites and Obama attends that kind of church that white people can be so dumb to vote for him. Like MN and WI. Obama is just using the white people for votes and once he got in look out. He will be demanding, arrogant and tempered.

Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | April 13, 2008, 8:17 pm 8:17 pm

You call me a misogynist….I call you a racist, is that the way the game is played, John? We both are fairly confident neither case is true. Hillary supporters could out-Republican the Republicans – I don’t play that way, as a Democrat. Though, I do know Obama tells the truth about the bitterness, as any supporter of Gore, Kerry, and now our nominee Obama, would feel. Have you forgotten, or become blinded by your candidate’s lying ways?

Posted by: Jack | April 13, 2008, 8:18 pm 8:18 pm

At least he is man enough to say
“If I worded things in a way that made people offended, I deeply regret that.”
Which unlike Hillary how justified a lie with a lie without showing any regret.

Posted by: justen | April 13, 2008, 8:18 pm 8:18 pm

Instead of starting each sentence with “um” Obama should change it to “dah”.

Posted by: Carol | April 13, 2008, 8:18 pm 8:18 pm

Obama-
is the government in Washington that isn’t doing their job. He is worse than most, he votes present which says “I am here but I do not care”.
Obama-
Says he is Christian, he keeps repeating it and repeating it. Is that so he beleives it or you do? A Christian lives it, it reflects in their words, actions and deeds. A Christian beleives in infanticide? as he was for live birth abortions, Inducing labor, live birth, then letting the infant die.
Obama-
Lied on his family, He said how he came to be was because MLK, JFK and bobby Kennedy, was all lies, The dates
tell the truth, he was born before all the events he tried to attribute to his becoming to be. A CHRISTIAN DOES NOT LIE ON THEIR FAMILY.
Obama-
lied on all his friends
Rezko didn’t know him – then he did
Ayers – he didn’t know him – then he did
Rev Wright- was a confidant, mentor best friends – then he turned into an old uncle.
CHRISTIANS DO NOT LIE ON THEIR FRIENDS
He Sold out Americans to the elite class in San Franciso
He lied to the black community about his family, Then sold them out when he refuse to go to the black caucus and MLK Anniversary.
He manipulated and brainwashed his group of little followers, He has them believing he beleives in them, He has them believing he is the only one who cares for America, He has them believing he is the only who can make things better.
YOU HAVE BEEN LIED TO AND HOODWINKED, BAMBOOZLED
He promises to change government, which he will do if elected. But his plans do not include you or me. He plans to redistribute the power, he plans to redistribute the wealth. I would not put it past him to have a new constitution already drawn up. he is the type that would.
Something you can believe in NOT!
Wake up America
A vote for America is a vote against Obama

Posted by: seah | April 13, 2008, 8:20 pm 8:20 pm

And think about this, just for one second… this is the scary part.. these two socialist canidates, really dont differ on the major issues!!! i mean, there are some differences on how to get the results, but the ideas are exactly the same! big government,( americans arent smart enough to solve their own problems ya know) huuuge spending (aka, raising taxes by billions) while saving every poor person in the country, getting ALL americans free health care, giving the oppurtunity for ALL americans to go to college for almost free, getting all the evil people killing guns off the streets while letting women choose to murder their unborns, keeping the great welfare nation alive and well, (gotta get that poor person vote ya know), getting out of iraq as soon as possible.. i mean, all of this arguing and bitterness is about “small” comments being made.. what all of you democrats are basically fighting over right now is, sex, race, religion etc.. and listening to every word they say waiting for them to screw up… maybe try voting on the issues?? stupid thought, i know. they really dont differ on the issues. so who do you want democrats? a black guy, or a white woman? your wonderful party has put you in this beautiful situation.

Posted by: tim | April 13, 2008, 8:25 pm 8:25 pm

The people who are rebuking Barack Obama for saying that Americans lean to religion and personal protection when times get hard are just looking for an excuse. These individuals were never going to vote for Obama anyway. That the man had to apologize was ridiculous and for Hillary and McCain to speak as though Americans are content is even more ridiculous. PEOPLE SAY THEY DO NOT WANT POLITICIANS TELLING THEM HOW THEY FEEL WELL THEY APPEAR TO LOVE HILLARY FOR IT. SHE ALMOST ALWAYS TWIST THE WAY AMERICANS FEELS TO MAKE IT A VOTE FOR HER. There was not anything to get insulted about and I see a lot of people do not even know what elitist means. If people knew what elitist meant they would know Barack Obama does not fit the bill but Hillary Clinton and John McCain do. ELITE – 1. Chosen; taken by preference from among two or more. “Colors quaint elect.” –Spenser.
2. (Theol.) Chosen as the object of mercy or divine favor; set apart to eternal life. “The elect angels.” –1 Tim. v. 21.
3. Chosen to an office, but not yet actually inducted into it; as, bishop elect; governor or mayor elect.
OR MAYBE HE IS… WHATEVER HILLARY HAS ONC AGAIN TAKEN THE SPOTLIGHT OFF HERSELF WHEN THE VIEW WAS CRITICAL ,,, UF HILL HAD SAID THIS THE CROWD WOULD STILL BE CLAPPING AND SHE WOULD BE CREDITED WITH HAVING HER hAND ON THE PULSE OF AMERICAS HEART.

Posted by: GAWANIA | April 13, 2008, 8:25 pm 8:25 pm

Of course, most Americans are bitter and angry at the disastrous reign of George Bush. We are disgusted and want change. Obama is tried to capitalize on that sentiment. However, Obama knows what he said, and he was saying that the ones who AREN’T embracing HIM, like those in small towns in PA, working folks are bitter. They’re the ones who are “clinging” to guns, eligion, etc.
Obama and his surrogates are spinning BS and they know it. Pure desperation.

Posted by: hopesprings52 | April 13, 2008, 8:25 pm 8:25 pm

Clinton or McCain 2008 !!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Keith | April 13, 2008, 8:26 pm 8:26 pm

what do people do when they feel threatened, disenfranchised, and vulnerable? they cling to what feels safe and in which they have a say, even if that say is merely a birthright. it is scary to face the fact that what worked for our fathers and grandmothers may no longer carry the day for us. and so we attack the messenger rather than receive the bad news calmly and plan an adequate response. obama may not have all the answers. this is a sign of his wisdom. what is more precious to us as a nation is to have a leader put the right questions to us. what are we going to do–about so many issues facing us as a nation? i should hope we desist from attacking the proverbial messenger.

Posted by: dmannsf | April 13, 2008, 8:26 pm 8:26 pm

Have any of the obama supporters ever considered (since none of us really knew him) that some of the things we are finding out about him-his history,
his views, etc. all of the things he has had to backtrack on-and make speeches about-these things might be true. and he may not be the candidate for the party. I mean all we have and all we keep getting from him are speeches. Have you ever considered that his handlers were counting on people hating hillary clinton so much they would vote for anyone else no matter what that candidate stood for. they could be pulling a fast one on you.
they sure do not think much of the fact that hillary clinton is out there laying out the plan for the country, and all they do is copy it. It seems to me-everytime obama gives a speech he is only telling people what they already know.
when he comes undone is when he takes questions- and someone questions what he has said.
hillary runs rings around him on the issues.
she gives a speech and them takes questions-and answers the question.
He may not be all he claims he is.
and he is hoping no one will notice.
well the rep. are noticing.
he has all this money-everybody in his pocket, media, dnc, etc.
and he still keeps messing up.
maybe he is just not the one.

Posted by: jgaw | April 13, 2008, 8:27 pm 8:27 pm

Not bitter about not having health care, or seeing your job shipped overseas, or having your home foreclosed on?
Sounds to me the only folks who wouldn’t be bitter would have to be elitists themselves.
Just for comparison:
John McCain: Net worth $44 million, owns 8 houses
Hillary and Bill: $109 million since 2000, Hillary’s “blue collar” Scranton roots actually a summer vacation home.
Barack Obama: Best year $1.6 million in 2005, doesn’t even make the list of 50 richest in Congress, graduated from Harvard Law and took a job organizing unemployed steel workers for about $8,000/yr.
So who exactly is the bigger “elitist”?

Posted by: RJ | April 13, 2008, 8:28 pm 8:28 pm

THIS JUST IN: Hillary supporters left bamboozled by her campaign of double standards. Her core base of fruit loops hang in there saying quote “The reason we can look past her Bosnia lies and free trade support is because we were lied to as children and we share that bond with Hillary. We’re victims just like Hillary.”

Posted by: Matt | April 13, 2008, 8:32 pm 8:32 pm

hopesprings52 seems to have glimpsed at the Karl Rove playbook of accusing the opponents of exactly for which himself is guilty.

Posted by: Jack | April 13, 2008, 8:33 pm 8:33 pm

Is it not true that many times our focus on what should have been the most pressing issue of the time is diverted by politicians on to things like gay marriage, patriotism, and yes guns too. These appeal to the inner most emotions in us and we fail to see the facts for what they are. Instead of blaming the messenger let us analyze whether there is some truth to that. Do we not get hung up over guns and religious issues while our soldiers are dying in a hostile land far away from our shores? Do we not fall for the politicians sweet talk while they are selling our interests to the highest bidder? Some of the same politicians who claim that they respect the public are those who were instrumental in sending our men and women to die in a desert for oil.

Posted by: worldsam | April 13, 2008, 8:33 pm 8:33 pm

Peeople and the news are paying to much attention to this issue. yeah, he definately stereotyped people who life in rural areas but these candidates say millions of things and you can’t expect them to always say the right thing. The real issue is that Obama will say anything to get the nomination. He points out that there is problems in this country, Duh. But he does not give any real solutions to them. and his record does not support taht he can accomplish much. those who fall for his “Yes we Can” bull are being taken for a ride. wake up !

Posted by: Tom NYC | April 13, 2008, 8:34 pm 8:34 pm

FACE IT!
Obama is a cold, calculating sweet talking politician!
To win the election for state senator of Illinois , he made sure that his opponents were handily eliminated… because he knew he’d never win in any other way!
To win the election for the US Senate, Obama played the same dirty game; only the names of the characters were changed in regard to the people “done in”.
This is Not a “made up” story (though it certainly reads like one). Look it up in the Chicago Tribune if you dare…..in fact, you SHOULD!
The election of 2008 is NOT a GAME!
The United States is in the throes of a deep recession.
People cannot afford to pay their mortgages, and thousands of homes are lost every day.
People are losing their jobs and their medical benefits…. and their pride.
Fifty percent of our teen agers are leaving school before they graduate.
We are fighting a war that seems to have no end.
The ideas emanating from Baracka’s mouth when viable… have already been offered by Hillary.
He has generated one of the dirtiest campaigns I have every seen and is out once again to destroy his competition in any sneaky dirty underhanded way he can..
But he’s just the bandleader; the posters and trolls like you do most of the heavy lifting.
The mud and slander he slings at Hillary is either forty years old or something for which she bears no responsibility.
BUT
Do you really think that the masses of citizens in this country WANT to be led by a chief whose very patriotism is questionable?
Do you honestly feel that this newby can take on the tremendous burden of woes currently facing our nation… with Michelle at his side and Mr. Wright at his back, and with other, even more questionable characters at his table?
This is not about race, although he would like us to think that it is; we have already had a black president and didn’t even realize it!
( Harding didn’t play the race card.)
In any case, it’s your vote to make.
But when you do, be very very careful.
As for me, I’ll take Clinton!
P.S … AND is it true that they had to put Michelle under lock and key to keep HER tongue out of trouble? Just curious

Posted by: questioner | April 13, 2008, 8:35 pm 8:35 pm

well define elitist here people. remember, this is america. we have a little thing called capitalism. theres nothing wrong with being an “elitist”. its what you do with that status that counts. not saying that all big companies are great. but they are not all evil either. remember, they ARE the ones who provide jobs. im not taking the side of all big business but, also, some people have to look up the definition of capitalism. its really one of the reasons that makes this country great. you wanna go make money? go for it.

Posted by: tim | April 13, 2008, 8:36 pm 8:36 pm

The idiot speaks again! Wonder how many feet he can eat!

Posted by: jim | April 13, 2008, 8:37 pm 8:37 pm

I thought we have matured in politics and grown out of allowing a compete fake like Hillary to creep this far into the candidacy for presidency!! Apparently not! The disillusioned supporters out there, the profiteers of status quo and the establishment are still powerful and pulling the strings. Added to them the racists and fear mongers and we get a time bomb for this country. A fake like Hillary should never have been a senator let a lone a candidate for president. Stop the mockery and the corruption. let us make the change for God sake. Say NO to the profiteers in the systems who are killing our people in Iraq and sucking the middle class dry for an extra buck in their bank account.

Posted by: Jan E | April 13, 2008, 8:37 pm 8:37 pm

Thank you Jake Tapper for seeing through the spin fog about the O-machine’s dodging Obama’s words.
People don’t cling to religion, they worship God. Obama prefers we cling to state. His position on religion is closer to that of Karl Marx than middle America.

Posted by: Ignatz | April 13, 2008, 8:37 pm 8:37 pm

TOM:
How come only OBama should be excused for putting his foot in his mouth every now and again?
Give ‘em Hell Hillary!

Posted by: questioner | April 13, 2008, 8:39 pm 8:39 pm

Hank writes:
“WHY would TWO PENNSYLVANIAN NEWSPAPERS endorse Barack Obama for President TODAY if his comments on their own state were examples of elitism and condescension?”

Posted by: Edgar Cayce | April 13, 2008, 8:43 pm 8:43 pm

man this is great… GO DEMOCRATS GO!!!

Posted by: tim | April 13, 2008, 8:44 pm 8:44 pm

If Jesus Christ were around today he will be branded unpatriotic by the standards set by our politicians. Since when has dissent become unpatriotic? All those who hide behind patriotism are the ones responsible for the sorry state of affairs we find ourselves in. Not only is our economy in bad shape but the reputation of our great country has been tarnished. We should realize that powerful business interests shape our policies. Whoever gets elected will have to face up to it. Unless we change the way business is done in Washington we will be talking about the same issues a decade from now.

Posted by: worldsam | April 13, 2008, 8:44 pm 8:44 pm

in baracks defense, theres a difference between putting you’re foot in you’re mouth and flat out making stories up…

Posted by: tim | April 13, 2008, 8:45 pm 8:45 pm

Obama is so insincere and deceptive. He’s trying the Jedi Mind Trick on us once again. Again and again. “bitter” is not the issue…it’s his psychoanalysis and contempt that he expresses for those small-town people. He has them all figured out and knows how their little minds work and why they are not smart enough to support him.
Well screw you Obama. Go back to SF and have some chardonnay with your elitist friends.

Posted by: Leslie | April 13, 2008, 8:47 pm 8:47 pm

Questioner,
I really did not want to comment on today’s topic but I must say that I think your arguments are unfounded and baseless and that makes you a pathological liar.But go with Clinton if you must.I am sure the average American in 2008 will not fall into the trap of someone who will do just about anything to win an election including lying and shifting positions as often as it takes to be acceptable.You can take this to the bank and then vote for a bad loser.

Posted by: Imagine | April 13, 2008, 8:47 pm 8:47 pm

Obama is a politician and he shows the character of his kind.According to the time magazine article,his mothers side white grand parents helped him financially and emotionally when he was young.He shows the gratitude by mentioning them in his racial speech as kind of racists.Now he is gladly accepting all the African American votes.If he won the election he will throw them under the bus too,wait and see for yourselves.What I am saying is he is just another dirty politician and not a new kind or an old kind like Dr King or Gandhi.

Posted by: jayn | April 13, 2008, 8:47 pm 8:47 pm

tim said: “in baracks defense, theres a difference between putting you’re foot in you’re mouth and flat out making stories up…”
tony says: but there isn’t much difference between lying about what your campaign is about and making stories up. sounds like more of the same to me.
now obama is trying to deflect by going after hillary on guns. problem: he’s been running as a gunman in pa — just like he did in montana and idaho. he is all over the map on gun control, just like he is on trade. and please obamadroids, dont start squealing about nafta — he said he wont repeal it, that he is not a fan of protectionism, that he would not fundamentally alter nafta, and that repealing it would cost americans’ jobs — but he acts like it was one of the worst pieces of legislation in the history of congress.

Posted by: tony | April 13, 2008, 8:51 pm 8:51 pm

man, this is just too fun.. cant pass it up. that guy just said go back to san fransisco with your elitist friends to obama??!!… does he realize hes taking the side of HILLARY CLINTON about the elitist argument??!!… 109 million??!! hmmm.. that dosent make sense at all…

Posted by: tim | April 13, 2008, 8:52 pm 8:52 pm

Edgar: thanks for this! you rock!
“To ask is to answer: like most “local” newspapers these days, these two are corporate productions and don’t necessarily know or care about the local area.
The Scranton Times-Tribune endorsed Bush in 2000, and NO one in 2004. It’s owned by a consortium that owns all the media in northeast PA.
The Allentown Morning Call, the SMALLER paper, is owned by The Tribune Company, a large American multimedia corporation based in CHICAGO, Illinois. It is the nation’s second-largest newspaper publisher, responsible for the Chicago Tribune, Los Angeles Times, Newsday, Hartford Courant, and the Baltimore Sun, among others. Through other subsidiaries, the Tribune Company also owns Tribune Broadcasting, Tribune Entertainment, Tribune Media Services, and the Chicago Cubs baseball team.”

Posted by: tony | April 13, 2008, 8:53 pm 8:53 pm

jayn writes:
“bitter” is not the issue…it’s his psychoanalysis and contempt that he expresses for those small-town people. He has them all figured out and knows how their little minds work and why they are not smart enough to support him.
Well screw you Obama. Go back to SF and have some chardonnay with your elitist friends.

Posted by: Edgar Cayce | April 13, 2008, 8:55 pm 8:55 pm

Dr. King was also called unpatriotic and divisive in his time.
In reality our citizens have been taken for a ride by our leaders. Do these guys with their hands on the levers of power really care about small town folks? Hardly. They are serving powerful pay masters. They give the rest of us slogans. Please wake up.

Posted by: worldsam | April 13, 2008, 8:57 pm 8:57 pm

It’s all about Obama trying to explain to well-heeled believers why he’s having a rough time with the average Joe. Obama tells them it’s tough going because they’re angry and dumb folk who are “clinging” to their pathetic little pursuits instead of finding salvation and embracing him. Very demeaning and arrogant. No other way to read it.

Posted by: hopesprings52 | April 13, 2008, 8:59 pm 8:59 pm

Jake,
The media can help bury the story all they want, the truth is when Obama is not giving one of his “inspiring plagiarized” speeches, borrowed from either Rev. Wright or Devon patrick, the real Obama comes through loud and clear – shallow and fake.
There is simply no substance to this guy.
The only thing he knows is how to get the college kids like the ones on this blog to give him all their money.
Where was this guy in the 90′s when the Clinton administration lifted everybody up and creating 23 million jobs? He must have been on the street of Chicago running around with Tony Rezko.

Posted by: Sam | April 13, 2008, 8:59 pm 8:59 pm

you’re right tony.. but if you guys are going to argue on who is lying or stretching the truth, or sticking there foot in their mouth more, (which is all you guys can do, because basically they are the same canidate) you cant possibly think that hillary is winning that one?! i mean, im a conservative here so i have a totally honest opinion about this. bottom line.. obama has made some verbal mistakes, its going to happen. they have waayyy to many people to try to “lie” to try to get their vote. thats politics, but hillary has done that, and alot more. she is grabbing at straws here, and i realize you support her and thats great to support you’re team, but cmon.. lets be real here!

Posted by: tim | April 13, 2008, 8:59 pm 8:59 pm

tony: thanks. I’m glad somebody actually READ about the Pennsylvania corporate newspaper “endorsements” — comments are going pretty fast.

Posted by: Edgar Cayce | April 13, 2008, 9:00 pm 9:00 pm

I have found it odd that all of the Obamapologists have said that people should be bitter. LOL – well, that’s a no-brainer. But he is totally out of touch with poor folk talking about the guns and religion thing. The trade stuff is closer to reality, but he should not have gone there with the church. It looks very bad, especially given the religiosity among African-Americans. Church is celebratory community space. Of course, he attends one of those gargantuan urban churches, so maybe he cannot appreciate the intimacy and community that churches provide in small towns. Major gaffe.

Posted by: tony | April 13, 2008, 9:01 pm 9:01 pm

In relative terms, among the three candidates Obama remains the most honest, straight forward, and least corrupt candidate by light years. Haters will twist and contort anything he says to bring him down to their candidate’s level, but try as they can, they just have not got the time between now and November to bring him down to the corruption level of Hillary and that is what is driving them nuts. Also for those on this forum who are Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh puppets .. try thinking for yourselves for a change.

Posted by: Jan E | April 13, 2008, 9:01 pm 9:01 pm

Sometimes the truth hurts, but it must be dealt with irregardless of who you are “for”. Dealing with the truth is more important than democrats or republicans or any individual candidate. The “status quo” is NOT working and we NEED CHANGE NOW. If we do not do something about our grossly mismanaged government we will all be facing a very bleak future. Saying Obama’s comment is disrespectful of the “working class” shows the epitome of ignorance of the working class. I live in a small town, and can’t get a job now and I AM bitter, and I appreciate that Obama understands this.

Posted by: dave | April 13, 2008, 9:01 pm 9:01 pm

Re: The Scranton Times, while it is owned technically by a conglomerate, it is primarily run by the Lynett family, who have run the paper for something like 100 years. The family is totally local, this is an old-fashioned local paper, the editorial staff is all from the immediate area, and yes they have endorsed Obama.
This is NOT a corporate endorsement in any way, shape, or form. Most of the city is pro-Hillary, but the editorial staff of the paper is pro-Obama, as is hometown Senator Bob Casey.

Posted by: beth | April 13, 2008, 9:02 pm 9:02 pm

Jake,
You and I both know that if this was Hillary that made a statement like Obama did, the main stream media would have magnify the comments 10 times and try to bury her campaign.
It looks like the media find it easier to beat on the girl. Sad.

Posted by: SO | April 13, 2008, 9:04 pm 9:04 pm

Ted,
I admire your capacity to waste your time floundering with a less-than- stupid list of verbiage which you’ve outlined in such a way to make them look factual. You have me wondering if we live on the same planet talkless of the same country.What a joke.You should take ajob with your mentor Hilary and spin all you want.

Posted by: Imagine | April 13, 2008, 9:04 pm 9:04 pm

Who cares! Its just another try at turning the attention away from Hillary’s Bosnia lie. If Hillary cant remember something like gunfire in Bosnia at 11:00a.m. how is she gonna be able to answer the phone at 3:00am? I fear that call.

Posted by: Larry(OREGON) | April 13, 2008, 9:04 pm 9:04 pm

Jake, Thank you for this article. I see the paid and unpaid Obama trolls are active today.
Let’s face it, Obama clearly does not have the experience or character to run America. He and his Obamanoids want all Americans to dance to their music. Obama and his radical left followers will lose in November because Middle America doesn’t buy into their socialist policies.

Posted by: Tony | April 13, 2008, 9:07 pm 9:07 pm

tony, this is definately the best one of the night… obama has socialist policies??!! what does hillary have then??!! thats great!!!!

Posted by: tim | April 13, 2008, 9:11 pm 9:11 pm

Mariann Pepitone,
You know yourself that all you’ve done so far is throw your emotions around the place. You come accross like one of those people who pretend they want change but at the same time they want the exact same people to do things the exact same way because it hurts their sense of pride and they feel like they will lose control if someone they are not used takes the helm.Woman,good try.But there’s a whole bunch of people like me out there who can read your thoughts and see all that insincerity.

Posted by: Imagine | April 13, 2008, 9:15 pm 9:15 pm

That’s ok everyone knows the rest of the comment as well.
The bitter part isnt the problem.

Posted by: s.b. | April 13, 2008, 9:16 pm 9:16 pm

beth writes:
“Most of the city is pro-Hillary, but the editorial staff of the paper is pro-Obama, as is hometown Senator Bob Casey.”

Posted by: Edgar Cayce | April 13, 2008, 9:17 pm 9:17 pm

More on the Scranton Times-Tribune:
“Times-Shamrock Communications is an American media company based in Scranton, Pennsylvania. The company, owned by the Lynett and Haggerty families of Scranton, lists among its assets seven daily newspapers, over 20 weekly newspapers, and 12 radio stations. “

Posted by: Edgar Cayce | April 13, 2008, 9:24 pm 9:24 pm

The government screws up most of what touches.
That’s why people are bitter.
Government regulations, such as the sub prime mortgage crisis.
First, why do subprime loans even exist? They exist because liberals pointed to an alleged pattern of “discrimination” in lending — and demanded an end to it. To achieve this, the Clinton administration decided to strengthen the powers granted to government by the Community Reinvestment Act — a law passed years before that requires financial institutions to “meet all the credit needs of their communities”. The Clinton administration used the powers of this law to demand that banks and mortgage lenders extend credit far beyond the traditional measures of credit worthiness — over most lenders strong objections — and thus the subprime market was created, wholly by government fiat.
At the same time, the Federal Reserve assured the lenders not to worry about the risk, because the Fed would always be there to bail them out if the loans went bad. And since the Federal government has a long history of such “bail outs“, the lenders had every reason to believe these assurances.
In the end, the liberals got what they demanded: the subprime mess is the logical result of government-induced INDISCRIMINATE LENDING.
And so Obama and Company want to expand this same failed intervention philosophy to every grievence of our society…..only to screw it up even worse…

Posted by: Dan Tana | April 13, 2008, 9:24 pm 9:24 pm

imagine:
everything in that post is true and confirmable.

Posted by: questioner | April 13, 2008, 9:25 pm 9:25 pm

I definitely agree with Obama regarding Pennsylvania as I live there. People in wonderful Washington DO NOT have a clue about a tax paying citizen who has lost his/her job that has been lost and subsequently shipped out. All the candidates think about is campaign contributions and the “glory of the White House.”

Posted by: Barbara Stein | April 13, 2008, 9:26 pm 9:26 pm

dan tana.. beautiful, absolutely beautiful. just another perfect example of how the left and their “political correctness” have screwed things up. well said.

Posted by: tim | April 13, 2008, 9:28 pm 9:28 pm

Worldsam — I truly hope you are not comparing Obama and King. King was very committed to the issues he stood for and he embraced them with specifics (and not just rhetoric). He did criticize black people for being “other worldly,” i.e., waiting for the “after life” in order to receive justice, but for King, a bottoms up approach was clearly a part of his life. Obama says that he favors a bottoms up approach, but I am afraid he does not even know “the bottom.” Outside of African Americans, poor people have been largely underwhelmed by his campaign, and telling San Francisco wealthy people that this is because of Bush and Clinton will not help his cause at all.
One other thing — people have neglected to mention Latinos. Latinos are also disproportionately poor, and they have voted for Clinton as well. They are also religious and would probably resent being told they are clinging to Catholicism because of the boogey men called Bush and Clinton. Perhaps the worst part of this is how he conflates the Clinton era economy with Bush. He shows absolutely no appreciation for any Democratic administration execept for Kennedy, which was actually somewhat imperialistic and sluggish on civil rights. I was amused that Ted Kennedy supposedly endorsed Obama because Clinton attributed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 to LBJ — not JFK. Well, from the perspective of history, LBJ was more committed to civil rights than JFK. I was not alive when JFK was around, but he seems like he was more charisma and hype in a lot of ways, kind of like Obama. Johnson on the other hand, delivered bread and butter ideals; his “war on poverty” was a great effort at dealing with on the ground issues in a way that Kennedy and Obama do not seem to understand or care about.

Posted by: tony | April 13, 2008, 9:31 pm 9:31 pm

Edgar Cayce, my point is that the Scranton Times-Tribune is a local paper, not one owned by a big out-of-town conglomerate. Their staff offices are down town. Like most smaller city papers, they get their international news off the wire, but their local reporting and editorial staff operates in a huge building right in down town Scranton. Most of the other papers you mention are regional, and have recently been bought up by the Times Shamrock Corporation. It IS the parent company.
I know because I have lived here for 30 years. And while Scranton is strongly Democrat, the rural areas are very much as Obama describes. They won’t vote Democrat because they think that the Dems are coming to take away their guns and move gay people in next door. The jobs have been gone for decades, most of the small towns are half the size they used to be. Boarded up storefronts are common. When the jobs went out it wasn’t long before the drugs came in.
Damn straight they are bitter, and yes they have been deceived by politicians on both sides of the aisle who wind us all up about social issues at election time so we don’t pay as much attention to the fact that neither party has done squat for the economy in the Rust Belt in 25 years.
Bill Clinton’s economy was strong, but it didn’t reach into these communities much at all.

Posted by: beth | April 13, 2008, 9:36 pm 9:36 pm

Next thing you know, Hillary’s story will be that she shot her way to safety from the dangerous tarmac in Tuzla, and with a protective arm around her daughter and Sinbad she took out a few of those snipers with her trusty made-in-Pennsylvania firearm.

Posted by: mirth | April 13, 2008, 9:37 pm 9:37 pm

There is simply no way to spin “cling to” religion.

Posted by: Andrew Austin | April 13, 2008, 9:40 pm 9:40 pm

Irrespective of what Obama said, robo calls are the worst way to get a message out. In fact, according to Yale University, robo calls have NO EFFECT. Pew Research found that most people hang up in the first 10 seconds.
As I testified at the US Senate 2.27 These calls are an epidemic and are invading the privacy of All American Voters.
Our members are taking a stand and saying enough is enough at the National Political Do Not Contact Registry at StopPoliticalCalls.org.
Here is a quote from a member this morning:
“I find it very frustrating… I tend to get calls at the WORST time. I have a one year old daughter, and it NEVER fails that the phone will ring when I put her down for a nap or for bed. Also my vote is PRIVATE… so who do you think you are calling with a survey to find out who I am voting for!!! Stop calling me.”
Regards,
Shaun Dakin
CEO and Founder
The National Political Do Not Contact Registry
http://www.stoppoliticalcalls.org

Posted by: Shaun Dakin | April 13, 2008, 9:52 pm 9:52 pm

beth writes:
“Like most smaller city papers, they get their international news off the wire, but their local reporting and editorial staff operates in a huge building right in down town Scranton.”

Posted by: Edgar Cayce | April 13, 2008, 9:53 pm 9:53 pm

Jake, Thank you for this article. I see the paid and unpaid Obama trolls are active today.
Let’s face it, Obama clearly does not have the experience or character to run America. He and his Obamanoids want all Americans to dance to their music. Obama and his radical left followers will lose in November because Middle America doesn’t buy into their socialist policies.

Posted by: tom | April 13, 2008, 10:06 pm 10:06 pm

I have found it odd that all of the Obamapologists have said that people should be bitter. LOL – well, that’s a no-brainer. But he is totally out of touch with poor folk talking about the guns and religion thing. The trade stuff is closer to reality, but he should not have gone there with the church. It looks very bad, especially given the religiosity among African-Americans. Church is celebratory community space. Of course, he attends one of those gargantuan urban churches, so maybe he cannot appreciate the intimacy and community that churches provide in small towns. Major gaffe.

Posted by: helen | April 13, 2008, 10:08 pm 10:08 pm

Obama shows significant signs of losing
touch with reality.

Posted by: psychiatrist | April 13, 2008, 10:09 pm 10:09 pm

Democrats/liberals hate religion, they don’t like competiting with God. They prefer you worship them and the government.

Posted by: Jo | April 13, 2008, 10:43 pm 10:43 pm

“Bitter” is not the issue. it’s that Obama talks to his rich San Fran fundraiser friends and tells them that these small-town voters’ reaction to bitterness is to “cling to guns and religion and have antipathy to people who aren’t like them” .
Obama has the simple folk all figured out.
Snotty, cocky elitist.

Posted by: Leslie | April 13, 2008, 10:46 pm 10:46 pm

Jake is right. Jake, my man, I think you’re finally “coming around.”
Looking forward to voting for a republican, probably for the first time in your life, come November. ;-)

Posted by: Jo | April 13, 2008, 10:48 pm 10:48 pm

Jake,
I’ve been noticing for awhile what a terrific job you’re doing covering the campaigns, and I wanted to thank you. It is so refreshing to find a reporter who’s not afraid to go where the facts take him and put the information out there. And I salute ABC for supporting your efforts. Very well done.

Posted by: ajmalkov | April 13, 2008, 10:48 pm 10:48 pm

I wonder how many people who are against Obama are really afraid of what he may represent? Real and true change in Washington.. finally. Perhaps that is why so many seem to talk out the left side of their face in these posts. Although I have not yet made a decision on who I will vote for (I am not dem, rep or anything… I am just me), here is how I currently see the candidates:
McCain – Will follow in Bush’s footsteps when it comes to Iraq and military issues. Is not well versed in economics however I do feel he is willing to try. The only real thing I do not like is he is republican and will follow the party when it comes to political decisions. Age could also be an issue based on some of his comments made in error.
Clinton – She lost my vote as of a week ago. Someone who outright lies to me I will not tolerate. And she did it more than once. Making up stories to bolster your image is not what I want in a president. She had already started loosing me when she started attacking Obama instead of saying what she would do versus what he would do. I hate attacks. I want to know what they will do for me, not what the best dirt on someone is. EVERYONE has things in the past.. No exception. I also have issue with people who somehow thing that one persons opinion means that someone they know is also that way. Her attack into the preacher thing and how because Obama knew him etc believed just like that is ridiculous. I have all sorts of friends who have some strange ways of thinking. Some are even bigoted in some ways. But that has NO bearing on who I am or how I think. It is downright stupid to equate anything someone else says to how a candidate believes.
Obama – He has impressed me the most BECAUSE of his, what some people say, mis-statements. In fact, I feel as if he is speaking from the heart AND much of what he says, is exactly how I feel as one of those poor, trying to survive, unable to work people in a small town. So what if his statements are not “politically correct”? As far as I am concerned, you can take that Political Correctness bull and toss it. Call a spade a spade, not a black leafy looking thing. Call a black man a black man, not the PC ‘african-american’ (who came up with that anyhow.. what a crock. If born in this country, you ARE an American PERIOD.), call a liar a liar (Hillary), call a bigot a bigot (that preacher that DID NOT represent Obama’s views personally), call an idiot an idiot (Fox News Commmentators and MOST people in these blog posts).
I am leaning more and more toward Obama because he is not mincing words and is speaking from the heart. What I do not like about him is that he backpedals because someone thinks what he said was ‘outrageous’ or worse.
Good god people, saying someone is bitter because they are fed up with all the bullshit we the people have had to endure from our government is an ‘outrageous’ or devastating thing to say??? WHO SAYS SO? I for one say IT IS ABOUT FREAKING TIME SOME ONE STANDS UP AND TELLS IT LIKE IT IS.
Todd

Posted by: Todd | April 13, 2008, 10:49 pm 10:49 pm

I think David Mamet’s article about how he’s no longer a “brain dead liberal” published in the Village Voice, has had a profound impact on Jake.
Jake, welcome to the side of common sense.

Posted by: Jo | April 13, 2008, 10:51 pm 10:51 pm

Todd, Obama is a socialist and would drastically change America in that way.
So if we’re against Obama, it’s that we’re against socialism. It doesn’t work and we don’t want it here.

Posted by: Jo | April 13, 2008, 10:53 pm 10:53 pm

Our system may not be perfect, but it SURE AS HELL beats socialism.
So “no thanks” Obama. That’s not the kind of “change” most of us are looking for.

Posted by: Jo | April 13, 2008, 10:55 pm 10:55 pm

While Mr. Obama’s explaining his latest comments in PA, will he address these quote’s from his books.
I wouldn’t recommend purchasing his books, but checking them out from the public library
and verifying the quotes… this is a dangerous individual that has not been truthful, evidently
with very much he has uttered in public. Particularly the last quote!
This guy wants to be our President and control our government. Pay close attention to the last comment!! Below are a few lines from Obama’s books ” his words:
From Dreams of My Father: “I ceased to advertise my mother’s race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites.”
From Dreams of My Father: “I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother’s race.”
From Dreams of My Father: “There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white.”
From Dreams of My Father: ; “It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.”
From Dreams of My Father: “I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn’t speak to my own. It was into my father’s image, the black man, son of Africa, that I’d packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, Dubois and Mandela.”
From Audacity of Hope: “I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”

Posted by: 11bravo | April 13, 2008, 10:59 pm 10:59 pm

It’s unclear what the supporters of Senator Clinton are looking for, or waiting for her to do. The Emperor Has No Clothes. So when people go out to vote, I truly hope they’re informed since the suggestion that Senator Clinton’s service as First Lady somehow qualifies her as the person most ready to be President of the United States is a ludicrous assertion. Perhaps then she and Laura Bush should share a ticket. It would, however, be difficult to determine who of the two has the most experience to be President. After all, Laura Bush has traveled around the world and given her opinion regarding many significant issues. However, I don’t recall Laura Bush, (as first lady) blatantly lying about being shot at in Bosnia, risking a possible US invasion of that country! Or lying about her daughter being near the twin towers when they got hit, and spinning an outlandish tale of how she (Chelsea) had to run for her life, just to win a seat in the senate! The fact is Senator Clinton is a liar! She lied when she said she put pressure on Bill to intervene in Rwanda, and she lied to the voters in Ohio as she now lies to the voters in your state, when she says she fought against NAFTA. As the White House papers show, there was no attempt to pressure President Clinton to put an end to the genocide in Rwanda, nor was she pushing against the institution of NAFTA. In fact, she was a huge proponent of NAFTA. And what about her top adviser? Mark Penn is not just a heavy hitting PR person, he’s an unscrupulous PR person, giving advice to clients such as the tobacco industry, instructing them on how to target inner city minorities via smokers rights groups! Blackwater on how to effectively respond to questions from the 911 commission, to cover up their indiscriminate killing and torturing of men, women and children in Iraq! Advising subprime lending groups on how to move forward with their illegal agendas and deflect fallout while ruthlessly leaving people homeless and bewildered! Not to mention the Colombian Free Trade Deal. While Senator Clinton appears to have “demoted” Penn from chief strategist, she fell quite short of removing him from her campaign altogether–he will serve as one of her top advisers. Senator Clinton’s retention of Mark Penn, exposes her contempt for the millions of Americans that have lost their jobs to NAFTA, and stand to lose their jobs to CAFTA! She will say and do anything to win this nomination and she has completely fabricated her foreign relations experience!
During Bill Clinton’s presidency Senator Clinton was not qualified to speak in any official capacity, nor was she in a position to sign peace treatise or broker deals. It’s absolutely absurd and offensive to the intelligence of thinking individuals to suggest otherwise. She was however given the official position to head and be the chairwoman of the Task Force on National Health Care Reform. As usual she attempted to secretly draft the bill, botched the job, turned Democrats against her and effectively galvanized the Republican Party to work in unity against the Democrats! Needless to say, for the first time in twelve years, the Democratic Party lost their majority in Congress
Now fast forward to the Clinton’s tax returns revealing 118m gross income, much of it earned through former President Clinton’s speeches, and the not so subtle lobbying of the insurance company responsible for halting the 1993 health care reform plan of the Clinton Administration. Health Insurance Association of America (HIAA), now America’s Health Insurance Plans (AHIP), paid President Clinton $150,000.00 dollars in June of 2005, to deliver a speech to their board. I believe it should raise a red flag to those supporting/endorsing Senator Clinton to recognize the problematic relationship created by this. The language that now crafts Senator Clinton’s health care plan, mirrors AHIP’s proposal in remarkably unsettling ways that warrant examination, particularly if these speeches point to the possible currying of future favors granted by Senator Clinton, “should” she become President. Robert Reich, Bill Clinton’s secretary of labor and the head of Clinton’s economic transition team has the following to say about the Health Care Proposal Debate:
“Both of them are big advances over what we have now.
But in my view Obama’s would insure more people, not fewer, than HRC’s. That’s because Obama’s puts more money up front and contains sufficient subsidies to insure everyone who’s likely to need help — including all children and young adults up to 25 years old.
Hers requires that everyone insure themselves. Yet we know from experience with mandated auto insurance — and we’re learning from what’s happening in Massachusetts where health insurance is now being mandated — that mandates still leave out a lot of people at the lower end who can’t afford to insure themselves even when they’re required to do so. ”
Senator Obama has far more legislative experience than Senator Clinton. He served as an Illinois senator for 8 years and has only 2 less years of congressional experience than Senator Clinton. His honesty and integrity, coupled with his experience as a community organizer, civil rights attorney, Illinois State Senator and US Senator will enrich the position of President and bring about a positive change much needed in Washington.
Sincerely,
J. Taylor

Posted by: J. Taylor | April 13, 2008, 11:06 pm 11:06 pm

These symptoms sound frighteningly exactly like the behavior that Barack Obama displays, especially when he’s not giving a carefully scripted speech. Please, everyone read these symptoms and then think about his behavior.
Narcissistic personality disorder symptoms may include:
* Believing that you’re better than others
* Fantasizing about power, success and attractiveness
* Exaggerating your achievements or talents
* Expecting constant praise and admiration
* Believing that you’re special
* Failing to recognize other people’s emotions and feelings
* Expecting others to go along with your ideas and plans
* Taking advantage of others
* Expressing disdain for those you feel are inferior
* Being jealous of others
* Believing that others are jealous of you
* Trouble keeping healthy relationships
* Setting unrealistic goals
* Being easily hurt and rejected
* Having a fragile self-esteem
* Appearing as tough-minded or unemotional

Posted by: Griffin | April 13, 2008, 11:06 pm 11:06 pm

Todd, had Sen. Obama said that some people were bitter because they were fed up with the federal government, then that would have been perfectly fine. But instead Sen Obama LINKED that bitterness as to WHY people support issues like: The 2nd Amendment; prayer in school; keeping the national motto, “In God We Trust,” on our money; keeping “under God” in the Pledge of Allegiance; defining marriage as being between a man and a woman; and the enforcement of our immigration laws. Any bitterness that individuals may or may not have with the federal government have nothing to do with supporting those issues. People strongly support those issues because they strongly believe in those issues.
Jo is correct! But not only are Sen. Obama AND Sen. Clinton socialists, but their advocacy is much closer to that of communism with his calling for wealth redistribution, doing away with our ownership society and giving goverment more control over our lives. If that is the “change” that you want, then you should vote for Sen. Obama or Sen. Clinton.
I, personally, am a strong believer in the Bill of Rights, self-determination, less government, personal responsibility, capitalism and the free market, as well as the federal government placing the fight for the survival of Western Civilization ahead of domestic issues. So I support Sen. McCain.

Posted by: James Danley | April 13, 2008, 11:28 pm 11:28 pm

I had hoped to see some actual compassion from Obama tonight during the Compassion Forum, but alas, he showed his true “narcissistic” colors again.

Posted by: jb | April 13, 2008, 11:35 pm 11:35 pm

Obama remarks = Rev.Wright Remarks

Posted by: CJ | April 13, 2008, 11:42 pm 11:42 pm

@ttn Todd — the “bitter” quote is the LEAST of what Obama said about the un-rich, in explaining to a no-press event for rich people ($2300 a head) in
San Francisco why his candidacy isn’t doing great with “small-town” people (in other words, the “white” working/lower-middle classes — he didn’t QUITE say “rednecks”, but that seems to be approximately what he meant –

Posted by: Edgar Cayce | April 13, 2008, 11:43 pm 11:43 pm

Obama says real change but he has lied, told half truths or mislead people.
He had to fish through his campaign funds and did out money from a crook. the amount kept growing and growing and growing.
He Bundles campaign funds.
He take lobbyist money.
He sold the American people out in San Fransisco How much did he make on that?
He votes Present, that is saying I am here and I do not care. When he does show up.
The Canadian NAFTA trick
He lied to the people in Selma church, on how he came to be. Was all bogus and a lie.
He lied about Rezko
He lied about Wright
He lied about Ayers
He asked if we would help him build a kingdom.
Americans were upset because someone God Damn America, Obama called those upset for someone damning their country racist. Made no sense at all, unless Obama feels it is ok to Damn America.
Or No one can get upset over one of his friends says God damn america.
The problems in this country are the faults of all the Senators and congressmen – Obama is one of them.
If he felt strongly about fixing things, you think he would of did more than vote present and try to to do something.
The Senate and congress write the bills, vote on them and enact them. Does he think we are that stupid to think he could only do anything as president?
I am sorry, Obama is not the one to believe in, see change from, or be President.

Posted by: seah | April 13, 2008, 11:47 pm 11:47 pm

James Danley writes:
“Sen. Obama AND Sen. Clinton socialists, but their advocacy is much closer to that of communism with his calling for wealth redistribution, doing away with our ownership society and giving goverment more control over our lives.”

Posted by: Edgar Cayce | April 13, 2008, 11:50 pm 11:50 pm

Yes Obama, you were once feel the bitterness of bitter people as a community organizer. Now you are becoming one of the American elite, you forgot those bitter people. You insulted them when you were among your elite friends. Shame on you Obama, you are arrogant!

Posted by: Mena | April 13, 2008, 11:51 pm 11:51 pm

Let’s compare…
Obama on Charlie Rose in November 2004 “If we don’t have plausible answers on the economic front, and if we appear to be condescending toward those traditions that are giving their lives some stability, then they’re going to opt for at least that party that seems to be speaking to the things that…provide them with something solid to stand on.”
Bill Clinton Flashback: “All These Economically Insecure White People…Are Scared To Death” “The reason (George H. W. Bush’s tactic) works so well now is that you have all these economically insecure white people who are scared to death,” Clinton was quoted saying by the Los Angeles Times in September 1991.

Posted by: kravitz | April 13, 2008, 11:55 pm 11:55 pm

Let’s see. Obama psychoanalyzes small town Pennsylvania people in his fundraising speech before millionaires. He raises millions which he pours back into Pennsylvania to buy 4-5 times the advertising of Clinton(because now he can) in order to convince all Pennsylvanians that he is the answer to ALL their problems. Then he psychoanalyzes his original psychoanalysis. In simple terms: he’s just doing what he has to do to buy them. I think they’re smart enough to figure this out.

Posted by: RL in Illinois | April 13, 2008, 11:59 pm 11:59 pm

A lot like the way he changed the subject when Wright flared up. The issue there was not race relations in America. It was why Obama sat passively for 20 years and listened to hateful invective against this country. He still hasn’t answered that.
Maybe his time in the Trinity pews explains his association of religion and bitterness.
This guy has some issues to work through….

Posted by: Nancy | April 14, 2008, 12:04 am 12:04 am

Well, it is indeed true that the gay marriage wedge issue is the reason Bush was reelected in 04. People sure as hell didn’t vote their economic interests. Obama is pretty damn spot on. However, it was political suicide.

Posted by: Ryan | April 14, 2008, 12:08 am 12:08 am

Obama is going to lash out at Hillary now, and it is just going to make him look like a bigger jerk than he already is. I can’t believe he called Hillary “Annie Oakley”. Annie Oakley is cool, so what was he thinking going there?! He’s all over the place. Is HOPE lost? Is this change in Obama the Change we are seeking?

Posted by: Change | April 14, 2008, 12:09 am 12:09 am

Here we go again …
Obama’s words were “clumsy,” to be sure, but I find it curious that two of the most affluent members of the Senate would describe a former community organizer as out of touch. Sounds politically motivated to me–nothing more than tired old identity politics, yet another desperate attempt to distract us from the real issues of this campaign.
Let’s not be duped, folks. We need to move beyond the politics of division. We need a leader who has the vision, character, and ability to bring positive change to the White House and to our nation–change that neither Clinton nor McCain can deliver.

Posted by: Jim | April 14, 2008, 12:11 am 12:11 am

Obama better go back as before to talk about hope, hope, and hope only as he knows nothing but hollow words. The Wright issue is dead yet, it is brewing now and come back to haunt Obama again should he win the nomination!

Posted by: ps | April 14, 2008, 12:16 am 12:16 am

Some people who are blowing off Larry Sinclair need to think again. Obama is a man who is extremely bitter and hates himself. I think there are primarily two reasons.
One he is black (at least a certain portion of him) and the RACIST WRIGHT has filled his head with all lies for the past two decades about the white people and how they are out to get him. Shrinks will tell you that with this kind of brain washing he will never be normal (even with all the counseling in the world).
Second BARACK IS GAY (his involvement with Sinclair, Young etc.) and feels he is unable to come out.
This has led him to become very resentful of Americans and he wants to take it out on them by entering the White House!
To put it lightly HE WILL ENTER THE WHITE HOUSE WHEN PIGS FLY!

Posted by: Democracy 101 | April 14, 2008, 12:17 am 12:17 am

11bravo, honestly. You need to take a literature class. That entire book was about his struggle for identity as a half-white, half-black boy growing up in Hawaii. You seem ridiculously surprised that he discusses race in a book about race. As for supporting Muslims who need help, you’re an absolute bigot yourself if you think its wrong to support ppl of another religion.

Posted by: Sally | April 14, 2008, 12:18 am 12:18 am

Again the media misses one of the main points … these comments were meant to answer a question from one of the attendees at that exclusive fundraiser, which asked why Obama thought he wasn’t winning the votes of the working class.
If you look at his answer in context of the question, he is essentially saying that the working class doesn’t vote for him because they’re ignorant, gun-toting, Bible-thumping hicks.
Enough said.

Posted by: SM White, Irvine, CA | April 14, 2008, 12:22 am 12:22 am

I’m an Independent voter who was for Edwards and is now undecided. I’ve lived in a small mill town in Pa., was educated by those blue-collar workers Obama described, and now reside in the area of NC they say has the most doctor’s degree educated people in the country. I’ve been on both sides of the fence here education-wise and class-wise.
Obama’s remarks were offensive to me. He stereotyped these blue-collar folks after they had welcomed him to their towns for honest dialoge despite their adversity. These folks engaged him with hopes for a better future for themselves and all America. He went behind their backs to the most affluent of Californians and said negative things about them. The most offensive of which was these bitter people cling to their guns and religion. Many of these people have hunting guns to put food on their tables and have had strong religous beliefs even when these towns were prosperous. Of course, this is not something you would know if you did a one week tour of Pennsylvania and became the self-proclaimed psychoanalytical expert lecturer on this subject.
If Obama felt compelled to say these things publicly, it was insincere/demeaning/insulting to blue-collar workers everywhere that he went behind their backs to discuss their plight with the wealthiest of Americans 2000 miles away. If Obama needed to speak about Pennsylvanians than he needed to speak to Pennsylvanians.
Instead Obama chose to further erode their dignity publicly discussing them as a mere strategy issue on the way to his election. Obama made these honorable blue-collar workers no more than a drive-by psychoanalysis of road kill on his way to the White House.

Posted by: jay | April 14, 2008, 12:25 am 12:25 am

Jim,
Please don’t insult our intelligence by referring to Obama as a humble “community organizer” while Clinton and McCain are somehow plutocrats. Obama lives in a $1.5 million home. When McCain was his age, he was making peanuts serving our country (with distinction). And Hillary never made any money until a few years ago. Obama was a “community organizer” because he was trying to build a base and resume to run for political office — because he’s uncontainably ambitious, he couldn’t even serve out one senate term before running for the highest office in the world. Sound a bit arrogant to you? So much for his humble altruism.
Incidentally, exactly what does a “community organizer” do? I have a feeling they convince poor people they deserve something from the government (i.e., you and I), then twist arms and blackmail the government into providing it. A community organizer contributes exactly zero to the economy. They accomplish zero as well. Unless it’s getting state and federal money to subsidize your friend Rezko’s slummy “low income” housing developments. That accomplished getting Obama a quarter of a million in campaign contributions from Rezko. So I take it back. He did accomplish something after all.
And as for Obama’s vaunted “vision,” his vision is exactly what I’m afraid of. His vision appears to be of an America full of race-baiting, gun-toting, bible-thumping, foreigner-lynching rubes who just aren’t smart or enlightened enough to vote for him.
You can gas on about his “vision” , character and ability all you want. When you come up with some proof that he has any ability other than giving a pretty speech, let us know.
And by the way, it’s your candidate who’s made this election about “identity.” The last time he screwed up, after his spiritual mentor of 25 years revealed that he hates our country and members of the white race, Obama changed the subject to his identity. Somehow his being half black African and half white is supposed to qualify him to be the leader of the free world. Well, I ain’t buying it.
Good try, though.

Posted by: ajmalkov | April 14, 2008, 12:32 am 12:32 am

Change writes:
“I can’t believe he called Hillary “Annie Oakley”. Annie Oakley is cool, so what was he thinking going there?!”

Posted by: Edgar Cayce | April 14, 2008, 12:33 am 12:33 am

jay,
if you were for edwards, why are you now undecided?
Have you read sen. clintons plans?

Posted by: jgaw | April 14, 2008, 12:33 am 12:33 am

All the pathetic racists and liars are sure getting desperate ! We got a glimpse of Obama’s soul ? Renedered unelectable ? He called small town people white trash ? He is smug , arrogant , phony . I read an opt ed from the New York times entitled ” THE MASK SLIPS AWAY ” ( talking about Obama and what he supposedly said ) , well surprise surprise , who was the author ? Bill Kristol , one of the lowest forms of humanity in the United States , war mongering , liar and one of the leading neocon the article nothing but twisted words , misquotes and lie after lie after lie . The bottom line is Obama said we working class people are bitter , are becoming bitter and disheartened and hell yes we are ! You people can lie and twist words and smear Obama all you want , fortunately most people in this country are smarter than you are and he will win the DEM. nomination and the Presidency and we will have a good and honest and intelligent man in the White House as President who we can trust and actually listen to and believe! Obama 08 !

Posted by: John | April 14, 2008, 12:35 am 12:35 am

Hey, John,
What’s a “neocon?”

Posted by: ajmalkov | April 14, 2008, 12:38 am 12:38 am

jay writes:
“I’m an Independent voter who was for Edwards and is now undecided.”

Posted by: Edgar Cayce | April 14, 2008, 12:41 am 12:41 am

No sir, no elitist or academics for me, give someone who’s proud of being the 5th to last in their graduating class. I hate when people use words I don’t know.

Posted by: jrs | April 14, 2008, 12:42 am 12:42 am

this is such a non-issue. Hillary makes 15 mill a year…and she is not elitist? McCain owns 8 homes…has no plans for economy…and he is in touch? Barak is the only one with an honest voice and the status quo (GoGirl) nonsense can’t understand or accept.

Posted by: annie | April 14, 2008, 12:55 am 12:55 am

..and as if it’s not bad enough that he was dissing the beliefs and way of life lived by blue color workers on the other side of the country…
he was talking them down … behind their backs! to these billionaire on Zilionaire Row…. just to explain why he was having a hard time getting their votes!
How crass, how boneheaded!
How Obama!
GIVE ‘EM HELL, HILLARY

Posted by: questioner | April 14, 2008, 12:56 am 12:56 am

Thanks Ted good work

Posted by: shyin | April 14, 2008, 12:59 am 12:59 am

If someone created a website which allowed us to vote on one simple question, ‘are we bitter about how things have been going here in the United States’, do you think the happy campers would ‘win’ or do you think the Americans who are fed up, been pushed down, passed over and trickled on would outnumber those who prefer to wear blinders?
For Hillary to try to twist this comment is beyond her normal campaign games, it’s an act of desperation. When more google for information on her pastor and spritual advisor, Doug Coe, they may come to realize it is all a game to her. When they google through all the campaign lies alone, whether it’s bullets flying, joining the Marines or simply her stands on issues, they will realize we’ll be the losers in these games.
If you want to discuss someone out of touch or elitist, think about the string of unpaid bills Clinton has left in every state she’s been in, bills owed to small vendors. Consider why one would fork out $26,000 for an orchestra for a fundraiser yet not pay her workers’ health insurance premiums for two months. Is that not elitist?
Bill is now trying to help Hillary again but he needs to clean up his own front porch first. His charities not only support Alibaba, Inc., accused of collaborating with the government in its crackdown on Tibetan activists, his scholarships finance schools in Dubai who won’t even accept Israeli students.
Perhaps Bill needs to do twenty years of community service in the south side of Chicago to get a grip on what constitutes an elitist.
Was Bill taking advantage of a young girl in his employ not elitist? Was his putting himself above her interests, the interests of his family, the Democratic Party and our country somehow not elitist?
And btw, we were fooled by a beer drinking party guy trying to act like the common man before, look where it got us. And if using that campaign game is not elitist, I’ll eat my hat.
PS: No wonder Hillary thinks her religion should be private. If it were to become public it could cost her the election.
Meet Hillary Clinton’s spiritual advisor, Doug Coe:

Posted by: MsSwin | April 14, 2008, 1:22 am 1:22 am

Hilarly Clinton stated that the people she knows do not cling to religion because they are bitter. People embrace faith not because they are materially poor. I would like to know what people is she referring to. Is she speaking of me and every American and not just the people she knows.
Does Hilarly Clinton know the meaning of bitter. Let me explain to Hilarly what bitter means. Bitter means; hard to bear; hard to admit; or accept the truth how our government has treated our lives as inexpendible.
Unfortunately, I am a 40 year old materially poor American citizen. I do embrace my faith with God, my family and my community. I consider that to be “spiritually rich” in order to get through these hard times of our economic issues, health insurance issues and tax increases etc;
So yes, it is hard to bear; hard to admit; or accept the truth how our government has continually left the American people without a voice on these important issues. Instead, we as a people are given what is left at the bottom of the barrel, which are issues on guns, immigration and trade agreements.
And yet, nothing really gets done with those issues. Those issues are ways our government keep the American people busy fighting with each other and out of the governments hair “sort a way of speaking”.
Obama is not by far looking down on the American people. Indeed, he is trying to left our voices along with his own voice that Americans need and want a change. Sometimes, it is hard to admit the truth about ourselves and sometimes the truth is distorted. By all means, Hilarly Clinton should know that, while still trying to “save face” with the American people.
Obama is a man that is willing and able to bring the American people together. The American people wants a president that they can trust with the truth, not one that distort the truth. I believe Hilarly Clinton is the one that is “out of touch”. (signing out, for your eyes only)

Posted by: Mia Williams | April 14, 2008, 1:25 am 1:25 am

Jason, You’re sooooo glad you’re not a democrat. Noted. Does that delight mean that you’re PROUD to have put George W in power? Can you HONESTLY say our country is better off for his having wielded power for the past eight years? This is a question about honesty and about truth, an issue that seems to be getting short shrift in this online debate.
Granted: Obama could have chosen his words better. In particular, he should have shown more respect for the faith that sustains people. I think guns should be banned entirely; no other rich, western or eastern country allows them, and our country has more gun-related deaths than any other BY FAR. It’s insane to maintain a grip on this murderous tradition. The only people who really NEEDED guns for self-protection in this country’s history–blacks where were systematically lynched [see the excellent documentary "The Rise and Fall of Jim Crow" for starters]–did not have them, and guns were turned on them.
Still, does his poor choice of words mean that the CONTENT of his message is any less true? Does his poor choice of words mean that people are NOT mad that their livelihoods are being eroded? Does his poor choice of words mean that that we are NOT engaged in a senseless war that is cutting short precious lives of men and women who could go on to become lawyers, doctors, mothers, fathers, uncles, teachers, community leaders, carpenters, preachers, senators, and friends? Does his poor choice of words mean that this war is NOT costing precious dollars that could be better spent on health care, education, and reinvigorating the economy? Finally, if he had chosen his words differently would we NOT be resentful when, under the just described circumstances, we see people who look or sound different from us and who have jobs?

Posted by: derrick | April 14, 2008, 2:05 am 2:05 am

Do any of you seriously believe this nonsensical RNC/Clinton interpretation?
Obama does not say here that “religion” or “concern for gun rights” are caused by bitterness (in fact he has commented otherwise in detail). Rather, he says something that he (along with both Clintons) has said numerous times: that religious and ‘pro gun’ *politics* are outlets for a cynicism toward government that grew out of economic decline (and by extension, such voters are particularly cool to his current message).
stop the presses.
That may be elitist by someone’s definition, but has nothing to do with the outrageous claims that Hillary (who of course knows exactly what he meant) has used to take advantage of what probably seems to her to be the last chance to delegitimize Obama.

Posted by: molasku | April 14, 2008, 2:30 am 2:30 am

even the quote of obama’s words has been misquoted all over the place (to his benefit, as the original was even worse). so the spinners are spinning the new and improved version rather than the original.
no matter what version. no matter what spin. no matter what excuses. simple fact is that obama was mocking pennsylvanians to his rich friends in san francisco. and he got caught.
now his spinners and his media friends and his paid bloggers are having to work overtime to fix it. it may work – all his other fixing has. doesn’t change the reality. the man is sure he’s better than other people and he’s sure he can con us into voting for him.
funny thing is, i bet that, in private, he and michelle not only mock the regular people but also mock the rich ones who loved his mocking of the regular people.

Posted by: so saddened | April 14, 2008, 3:26 am 3:26 am

Didn’t Obama say that “Words Matter”, and that his speaches are not”Just Words!”. I guess that only applies to the speeches someone else wrote for him.
We have to cut him slack whenever he talks off the cuff, and shows us how he really feels. Or we have to understand that when he was in San Francisco, he was just pandering to the California elite.
Once he gets back to Philly, he’ll pander to the PA working stiffs again!

Posted by: Scott | April 14, 2008, 4:43 am 4:43 am

Slice and dice it anyway you like, Obama is our next president, and I couldn’t be happier. From Chicago and I have friends who have worked for him who say that not only is he as good as you see, but you haven’t seen nothin’ yet!

Posted by: Chibri | April 14, 2008, 5:36 am 5:36 am

“Words matter…”
- B. Obama
So, if words do matter, why can’t you get it right? Oh… you are getting it right !!! You are THAT racist. You are THAT dividing. You are THAT hateful. You are THAT condesending. You are THAT conceited. You are THAT self-centered. You want to see Americans classified into 3 categories; black, whites, and Obamas. You really want to set yourself above everyone else. Now he sees “typical white people” as all being “rednecks”…
Open mouth……. Insert foot…… SHOVE.

Posted by: MM | April 14, 2008, 6:47 am 6:47 am

dmh -
How can you pin “middle class” and “working class” together? Last I heard, “middle class” IS “working class”.
And while we are on the subject. Why even use the term “working class” ?? You’re just as bad as Obama. You think that just because people are soooo rich they don’t need to work ….. or that people are sooooo poor that they just don’t work for whatever reason; be it laziness, or just happy fending off the system, or whatever.
Yep… you are just as prejudice as Obama, himself…. middle class don’t work. SHAME ON YOU.

Posted by: MM | April 14, 2008, 6:51 am 6:51 am

Oh yea.. the Obamamites are in full force this morning. Talk about defense. That’s right…. can’t you do better defending this racist, prejudice pig than to try to turn the tables and blame Hillary for something he said… that came RIGHT FROM THE OBAMA’s MOUTH? Obamamites would follow this creep off a cliff if he jumped… THEN.. they’d blame Hillary for their leap.
I am firmly convinced. Hillary is my first choice and my ONLY Democratic choice. McCain is my second. I refuse to vote for a racist creep who alienates “typical white people” and refers to small town residents as “bible beating” rednecks.
HOWARD DEAN… SHAME ON YOU. Because EVERYTHING you touch turns to SOUR MASH.

Posted by: MM | April 14, 2008, 7:03 am 7:03 am

What Barack meant in Essence, which is, the cold-clear Truth, unlike Hillary’s Bosnia Fabrication and Continuing Performances, Small America, due to loss of jobs producing frustration and bitterness and time on their hands, similarly to the Negros in Slavery time, who turned to Relgion & Music for an outlet, small-town Americans turn to Religion, Hunting & yes, some blame current conditions on the Immigrants when they should be turning the blame on Politicians who allow employers to higher immigrants for a much lower wage than Americans would go for. He never said religion or hunting were bad, just that they were an outlet for the bitterness of those who have lost hope in their government and with extra time on their hands.

Posted by: Angellight | April 14, 2008, 7:17 am 7:17 am

I am amazed that so many posters who claim to feel sympathy for working class people support Obama and Clinton who have promised to raise taxes on the working class. Bush’s tax cuts which are characterized as “tax cuts for the rich” eliminated income taxes for Americans making up to almost $30,000. The Dems are promising to do away with that and are fooling the poor by telling them otherwise. I find that appalling. Sorry.

Posted by: Michele | April 14, 2008, 7:43 am 7:43 am

Bush eliminated taxes on those making 30,000? I want some of what you’re smoking!

Posted by: steve davis | April 14, 2008, 8:43 am 8:43 am

“you haven’t seen nothin’ yet!”
That’s for sure. I haven’t seen one thing at all that tells me what he plans to do, other than a bunch of empty promises that would cost billions of MY dollars to deliver.
Also, for a guy that thinks we should give diplomacy a chance with people that have dedicated their lives to killing or forcing us to live under their ideal society of beheadings and oppression, he sure does have issues with clearly saying what he means, doesn’t he?

Posted by: Hogarth | April 14, 2008, 8:57 am 8:57 am

Derek I for one an proud to have help put George W Bush in the White House for two terms. Unprecidented economic growth, arguably the best economy in the history of the United States. Islamist facist beaten back after attacking our shores. Iraq liberated by UN and US Congressional sanctioned action by a multi national force, 30 countries boots still on the ground, and progress towards a democratic country being made despite Iran, Syria and opposition politicians in the US. What is not to like if you don’t suffer from BDS or are just plain prejudiced by your leftist leanings.

Posted by: jdr | April 14, 2008, 9:03 am 9:03 am

Speaking in front of the Elite who want to live in their mansions while others live poor, that is the Socialist Way!!

Posted by: NotoLib | April 14, 2008, 9:25 am 9:25 am

“frustrated with polices that enable businesses to leave our community”
These guys really don’t “get it.” Government isn’t here to prevent businesses from leaving – that’s not its function. Businesses leave or “outsource” when the US becomes too expensive or too difficult to conduct business in. Most of the expense and difficulty comes from government – taxes (income, sales, inventory, excises) are high, “feel-good” environmental regulations are crippling, tort law is ridiculous, and obsolete social programs like affirmative action are millstones which just won’t go away. Obama’s absurd conviction seems to be that even more governmental control is the answer.

Posted by: tom swift | April 14, 2008, 9:36 am 9:36 am

Isn’t it interesting that Bob Casey bemoans the special interests in Washington where a congressman from his own Keystone State of Pennsylvania named Jack Murtha has poured special interest pork into his district like Niagara Falls? My god, these people have no shame and at best only a passing knowledge of irony.
I clung to my religion when I was so bitter after the 9-11 attacks. I guess I’m one of those Obama spoke about, except I live in California.
Oh well.

Posted by: Ken | April 14, 2008, 9:43 am 9:43 am

I was never bitter or frustrated when I was out of work. Why, because I knew that the promises of politicians were empty and I was raised to do what I had to do to find work such as hopping into the old pickup, sleeping in it and once working sending money home to the family for a short period of time until things became settled. This is how I saved my house from foreclosure some 30 years ago.
If government promises and people actually believe that and there is no follow through, then the believers would be bitter. Yes, government can provide jobs; the USSR did for every one as did Saddam; mostly do nothing jobs to quite the masses. And what happened when those governments fell. The people were ill prepared mentally to do for themselves. Are we slipping into that mode too?
Mr. Obama can not have government directly creating new jobs and keep our capitalist system and we our freedoms as we now know them. And yes FDR have government creat massive job programs, but during a time of 25% unemployment with few jobs to travel to and yes we did lose some freedom; not at all as they did in Germany and Italy, but some never-the-less. We have lost more if FDR’s attempt to pack the Supreme Court had worked.
When government grows it naturally intrudes into your life more and more, your freedom is eroded regardless of the intent of the leadership; the bureaucracy seemly has no limits or checks on what they can do to you; a tyranny of the minority; the bureaucrats in this case (think IRS to the extreme armed with administrative warrants). Fortunately, our constitutional workings held government mostly in check in our country during the depression; others were not so fortunate. I’d rather not try that aga

Posted by: Al Reasin | April 14, 2008, 9:56 am 9:56 am

uhh what obama said was totally correct from my experience of small-town u.s. (upstate NY and n. western PA).

Posted by: dmt4 | April 14, 2008, 9:59 am 9:59 am

Obama, allies try to explain away bitter remarks

This really doesnt cut it. Both he and his allies are completely ignoring the worst parts of his remarks, which were:
But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there’s not evidence of tha…

Posted by: Sister Toldjah | April 14, 2008, 10:02 am 10:02 am

Derrick, I can’t speak for Jason. But I, personally, thank God every day for President George W. Bush. Had Al Gore been president on 9/11/2001, he would have treated the attacks as criminal acts (just like President Clinton did in 1993) instead of an act of war. Now he probably would have sent a few missiles into Afghanistan (just like President Clinton did on a couple of occasions), but al Qaeda and the Taliban would still be in power. Furthermore, Saddam Hussein would still be in power, as a President Gore would still be working the diplomatic angle (by now 17 years and counting) in trying to convince Saddam Hussein to comply with the conditions of the 1991 ceasefire. And with Saddam Hussein still in power, the oil-for-food scandal would never have been exposed. So Saddam Hussein would still be raking in billions of dollars at the expense of the hundreds of thousands (by now millions of) poor, starving and dying children; in addition to the hundreds of thousands of additional Iraqis being raped, tortured and murdered. Now I can’t say for certain that we would have been attacked again, but all of the elements that are now in place (i.e., the establishment of the Department of Homeland Security and the passing of the Patriot Act) would not have been established or passed. The FBI and the CIA would still be prohibited — by law — from sharing information. And al Qaeda would have had another 7 years of relatively peaceful existence (instead of being on the run and hiding in caves) in order to plan and execute additional attacks.

Posted by: James Danley | April 14, 2008, 10:16 am 10:16 am

Obama’s choice of words was dead-on, his summation was the truth, that’s how it is — why should he apologize for it? Not everyone in PA actually is like that description yet it is a fair description. Clinton would have done better to apologize on her husband’s behalf then gone after McCain and the Bush economic policies which McCain seems to want to continue. Instead, Clinton muddies the waters with non-issue pronouncements. We do not need another president who feels the need to take any opponent down by such tactics, eight years of it is enough.

Posted by: Sumner | April 14, 2008, 10:21 am 10:21 am

James,
We are cursed by Bush, not blessed. While I don’t fawn over Clinton, I have to support him in this instance.
Your history is a bit muddled and blinded by party allegiance. When Clinton wanted to bomb al-Qaeda strongholds in Afghanistan, guess who tried to stop him? Republicans in congress who claimed that he was using the attack to bolster his warrior image.
So, don’t give credit where it isn’t due. Also, Bush ignored on repeated occasions direct intelligence reports and information regarding an impending attack.
If anything, we suffered as a nation at the hands of President Idiot.

Posted by: Rick Pickett | April 14, 2008, 10:28 am 10:28 am

Obama makes it worse

It is Obama that is not listening to the people, and who just assumes he knows what is best for them.

Posted by: Don Singleton | April 14, 2008, 10:38 am 10:38 am

My wife and I are both professionally employed veterans that who make good money and who understand exactly what Obama was referring to in his remarks. Those who are hurting in this recession are easy prey for those who like to blame immigrants, welfare moms, gun-control advocates, the ACLU – any number of scapegoats – instead of the policies of the “experienced” Bush/Cheney administration. We will be voting for Obama come this fall despite the smokescreens thrown up by weenie right wingers, racists, and tunnel-visioned columnists. Like the Boss says in one of his songs…”fear is a powerful thing”. And fear is what feeds the right.

Posted by: 11thCavVet | April 14, 2008, 10:43 am 10:43 am

Yes, his team at CNN Sunday night was focusing on the “bitter” part and letting the following words go by.
Here’s what the people need to understand. Obama is talking to a bunch of elitist, big money donors in San Francisco. There is no media present. He assumes he’s among friends.
He says that Americans cling to guns, religion, anti-ILLEGAL-immigration, and “Made in USA” because of their economic status. The supposed thinking being that if he gives them jobs, they’ll give up their guns, Christianity, welcome illegals, and not worry about the USA losing its manufacturing base.
We all know (or should know) that Obama wants to ban handguns, increase access to abortion for minors, issue driver’s licenses to illegals, and do nothing to curtail NAFTA. Now that may appeal to you personally. But those attitudes don’t win the White House in a general election.

Posted by: HoosierSue | April 14, 2008, 10:50 am 10:50 am

Oh, and he called us bigots to boot.
Nice way to unify us all, Obama.

Posted by: HoosierSue | April 14, 2008, 10:51 am 10:51 am

No one yet has mentioned the “timing” of this blowback againsr Obama. This happened over a week ago, the right-wing slime machine didn’t notice anything wrong with Obama’s analogy until after Friday’s release of the chickenhawk’s WH gathering to discuss torture methods. Anyone; whose brain can be described without using the word “amoeba”,would find no fault in Obama’s words,unless, of course, they were programmed to do so. What a sick America we live in today, as a dumb-down society squabbles over such issues, as our country continues to slide into the abyss.

Posted by: columbuscharlie | April 14, 2008, 10:52 am 10:52 am

Most americans are good and fair people and don’t make harsh judgements based on… once again sound bites. Most americans know he told the truth about americans who have been hurt by previous say anything, do anything leadership just to get elected and truth trumps pandering and lies everyday. Why aren’t you reporting on the Clinton lies, China link, husband and strategist link to columbia trade deal..those things really do affect all voters and the world. Don’t you get it… this election is about true leadership and change this time…not pandering, lies and spin. We have way to many concerns for that now. Hillary Clinton is out of touch.

Posted by: leslie | April 14, 2008, 10:57 am 10:57 am

I heard on radio this morning that Obama stammered his way to saying he used a poor choice of words. But what the report didn’t say is that Precious was speaking at a fundraiser ($2300 per person) at which the press was not allowed. It is simply astonishing that this got out (as far as I’m concerned). We Were Not Ever Supposed To Hear This Speech or Ever To Know Of This Speech’s Existence. EVER.
Why not? Because he wasn’t speaking to you and me; he was speaking to the ELITE in San Francisco. To the Billionaires’ Row folks who don’t really mind if you and I struggle to pay for food and hope to goodness we don’t get sick before we are allowed to take time off. The same people who put other president’s in office.
And yes…I agree that the timing of this coverage is questionable. It’s sort of like the *red alerts* that were flown every time a negative story about the GWB machinations appeared.
There are no coincidences.

Posted by: leslie | April 14, 2008, 11:07 am 11:07 am

Columbuscharlie, you can blame the Huffington Post for the timing. They wrote about Sen. Obama’s comments a week after the fact. The mainstream media saw the comment and then ran with the story! As Leslie points out, no one was supposed to know about this comment except those elitists who attended the fundraiser. I wonder what else Sen. Obama says when the press is not around?

Posted by: James Danley | April 14, 2008, 11:41 am 11:41 am

Amazing, isn’t it, that million-dollar-a-year talking heads are shocked–shocked they tell you!–that Barack Obama said that white people, in smalltown America are bitter and frustrated by twenty-five plus years of downsizing, outsourcing, layoffs, sub-minimum wage jobs chasing down shopping carts at Wal Mart and a neverending war where their kids go off to die.
No, they’re not bitter.

Posted by: Ernest T Spoon | April 14, 2008, 11:58 am 11:58 am

After years of voting for the lesser of two evils, I had an euphony.
This year I’m voting my conscience.
This year I’m voting Thunderdome.

Posted by: sailordada | April 14, 2008, 12:18 pm 12:18 pm

I am bitter that Barack Obama has gotten such preferential treatment from the press.
I am frustrated that Barack Obama’s campaign is run by journalists who have manipulated the print media, CNN, and MSNBC.
I am digusted that Obama used anti-trade anger as a wedge issue to get votes, but goes to a wine tasting in San Francisco and accuse Bush and Clinton of using anti-trade as a wedge issue.
I am outraged that Obama said people have antipathy to those not like them when he attends a church that spews racial hatred to whites, Jews, Italians, and patriotic US citizens.
I am angry that any dissent of Barack Obama is written off as racism by the manipulated media
I am sick that the media has used the David Axelrod talking points as their story line: Hillary is rich, People are bitter, didn’t mean cling, he is not an elitist because he was raised by a single mom and was a community organizer.
Finally, who was richer at age 46 the Clintons or the Obamas? Why is Obama allowed to disparage the Clintons and McCains, but remains untouched by the left-wing media.

Posted by: Karen | April 14, 2008, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm

For those who say the mainstream media has been pro-Obama should ask themselves one question. Where was mainstream media when millions of people were marching against the invasion of Iraq in 2003? Hillary Clinton was part of the political leadership which voted in support of a preemptive war on Iraq. This leadership shared a very cozy relationship with mainstream media at that time. Those who courageously stood up and opposed the war were shut out of the national discussion.

Posted by: Matt | April 14, 2008, 12:27 pm 12:27 pm

Barack Obama continues to try and posture himself out of the truth of the “audacity” contained in the reality of his potential regime.
The truth about Obama will continue to emerge as the August convention date draws nearer, and the Obama scheme for the subjugation of the Constitution and America’s majority will become clear.
All the explanations and interpretations of Obama misspeak by campaign surrogates and mantra followers will fail when placed side by side with the logic of truth.
And, Barack Obama will be filed in the same category as McGovern, Dukakis, and Kerry–unelectable.

Posted by: Jayhawk | April 14, 2008, 12:57 pm 12:57 pm

Obama has been the only dignified candidate left for the Democrats. Hillary (liar and loser) =McCain.
Go Obama
A white woman who is finally proud that we have someone to be proud of.

Posted by: Me | April 14, 2008, 1:59 pm 1:59 pm

The Obama campaign is smart to avoid explaining the gaffe.
For example, here’s the most recent Obama explanation on the ‘clinging to guns and religion” remark.
“People feel like Washington’s not listening to them, and as a consequence, they find that they can only rely on the traditions and the things that have been important to them for generation after generation. Faith. Family. Traditions like hunting. And they get frustrated.”
Huh?

Posted by: mediahack | April 14, 2008, 2:07 pm 2:07 pm

“You go into some of these large cities like in Chicago, and like a lot of large urban areas in the Northeast, the traditional ethical values have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them. And they fell through the values taught by civil rights leaders such as Martin Luther King, and despite special programs such affirmative action enforced by the Cinton and Bush administrations, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate their moral compass. So it’s not surprising then that people abandoned by their fathers when they were young get bitter, they cling to guns or a liberation theology religion that teaches hatred of the other and scapegoats government, or antipathy to people who aren’t like them, or anti-smitism disguised sometimes as anti-Zionism, or anti-immigrant sentiment, or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”
Any Obama supporter have a problem with the re-worked quote. If you do, and you had no problem with the original quote, if you want to see racism, look no further than your mirrer.

Posted by: Bigben | April 14, 2008, 2:43 pm 2:43 pm

What is so offensive about what he said? The man is speaking the truth as far as I can tell. I used to live in one of those Midwestern, former industrial giant towns and the desire to cling to religion and guns is paramount! One should never have to apologize for telling the truth!

Posted by: Kurt Rose | April 14, 2008, 4:56 pm 4:56 pm

We lose our jobs, we lose our homes, we lose our sons in the war without end, and now many of us are losing our tempers! Some are old enough to remember the miseries of the Great Depression and we feel another one coming on as history is repeating itself. It seems that Herbert Hoover was also unconcerned about the plight of the ordinary American and intent on following his own Pied Piper. When the world-wide drought and food shortage hit, the United States was virtually destroyed. Now we are reading about food riots and shortages in other nations and the scientists are warning that another drought is in the making. I don’t know about Pennsylvania, Senator Obama, but I know about America and we are not only bitter. We are also sick and tired of elected officials who are lying to us as they betray our trust and their oaths of office
We’re mad as hell and we’re not gonna take it any more!

Posted by: Boots | April 14, 2008, 4:56 pm 4:56 pm

What is harmful to Obama is that his statement exposes him as being anti-gun despite his protestations. Further, it calls into question the authenticity of his anti-trade rhetoric. And finally, it really brings into relief the Black Liberation Church he attended for 20 years by calling into question the authenticity of their religious commitment – this from the guy who is so Christian he doesn’t even notice all the crazy at his church.

Posted by: frege | April 14, 2008, 5:19 pm 5:19 pm

Rick Pickett, you wrote: “Bush ignored on repeated occasions direct intelligence reports and information regarding an impending attack.”
President Bush and his advisors did not ignore repeated intelligence reports and information regarding an impending attack. Even the individuals who are claiming such, admit that the intelligence did not include any specifics (i.e., when, where, how). The MoveOn.org talking points frequently bring up the presidential daily briefing entitled, “Bin Laden determined to attack inside the U.S.,” as proof that Bush ignored the intelligence. This particular briefing was actually requested by President Bush as he sought information about the possibility of an attack here in the United States by al Qaeda. The briefing was completed just one month before the attacks of 9/11. The Bush Administration had nearly completed a plan when the attacks were carried out.
It is true that there were several “dots” that had they been connected, might have provided enough information to prevent the attacks. But you have to remember, it was the Clinton Administration that built the wall between the FBI and the CIA, which legally prohibited each from sharing intelligence. There is no guarantee that without the wall the “dots” would have been connected since the FBI and the CIA have always had a rivalry that stood in the way of a free flow of intelligence between them. But if they had been legally allowed to, there certainly would have been a chance that individuals within the two organizations might have communicated with each other and made the connection.

Posted by: James Danley | April 14, 2008, 6:35 pm 6:35 pm

I don’t see what people are trying to steer away from. You bet everyday people are bitter, and they are clinging to the things that they can still get a grip on, which means the time-honored staples of American life: guns, religion, and dislike of the groups they feel are eating away at whatever foothold they have in a world in which they matter. Why do people try to deny that this is how regular Americans feel? They are ignored by those who claim to represent them; they are shoved aside by those who claim to have their financial interests at heart; their properties are seized for yet another big money building project; their grocery budgets rise while their paychecks shrink or vanish as thousands are “laid off” (the lie being that the work will return). Obama simply spoke the truth. Why can’t the politicos and the media face up to it for once instead of nit-picking it to death? Get out of your limos, peel out of your designer suits, and try living like the rest of us do, paying for your own gas at the pump and your own meals instead of dining out on the voters’, the lobbyists’, the medias’m or the candidates’ dime. Maybe then you’ll start looking closer at your church, your constitution, and an American face from earlier times for consolation. Maybe you’ll start holding close values that are shaky now, but remind you of a time when you didn’t feel as if you were nothing and the earth wasn’t being eaten out from under your feet.
Obama gets it. Why don’t you?
Tamora Pierce
writer

Posted by: Tamora Pierce | April 14, 2008, 6:43 pm 6:43 pm

Let’s face it! Obama told the truth! How refreshing! Now, Jake Tapper, how about you telling the truth that you are shilling for Hillary Clinton and will take any opportunity to write articles critical of Obama? That would be refreshing, too!

Posted by: Kate Madison | April 14, 2008, 7:01 pm 7:01 pm

I am from a small bitter little bigoted fundie town in S. Oregon… though I wish Obama hadn’t said it, I had to agree that he hit a nerve and described where I grew up perfectly… bitter hell… I thought he was being kind… lets see back home, everyone supports Bush, the war, hates gays, Californians, minorities, and immigrants… this hasn’t changed in years… in fact since the lumber mills closed, they hate environmentalists and spotted owls as well. They are totally dependant on tourism, but hate the Californians who spend money there… another Bush or Clinton or clone of them, no way… give Obama a break and lets move on and focus on the issues that the republicans don’t want us to: there’s a war on that is going to bankrupt us, high gas prices, healthcare problems, inflation, global warming, schools that need help… this is nothing than a media led sidetrack, next!

Posted by: D O | April 14, 2008, 7:16 pm 7:16 pm

I’m really tired of the liberals/progressives/democrats framing gun ownership as a desire of hunters. It is done to avoid the reason many, maybe most Americans have guns. To kill other people in self defense. I own and carry guns. I’ve never used a gun to hunt. I used a bow when I did hunt. I own and carry guns to protect myself from other human beings. I’ve never seen the fun of deer hunting with a rifle (not that it is wrong.)
I want my guns to defend myself since all the police can do is clean up the mess after, not protect me during or before a dangerous situation.
The left doesn’t want to acknowledge the relevance or validity of this argument so they always frame it as “hunting.”

Posted by: Aaron | April 14, 2008, 7:39 pm 7:39 pm

If Obama told the truth then why has he used the following tactics…claiming he said something else…explaining part of it….attacking McCain for pointing it out…repeadedly attacking Hillary.
Gee I think he said what he meant…that there are a bunch of people that he wants to vote for him that are bitter bible-thumping gun-toting racists…now lets see if they believe what he said or the spin.

Posted by: Jackie | April 14, 2008, 9:43 pm 9:43 pm

What is there to interpret? He said what he said. Obama himself gave a speech on words..He said what he meant and he can not take it back by saying
“I regret but…
If you hear his speeches you will read inbetween the lines, his litany of complaints agains America! He has insulted us. He did not tell us, he told the elite of San Francisco, did he think he was going to get away with it?
No Obama, the press is tiered of giving you the free pass, and if Obama is the nominee ( Which I pray to GOD) yes I have faith in god that Obama is not the one..No!!!! please not an Anti-American Supporter who is a hypocrite talking about the working Americans to the Elite of San Francisco……I think Obama is a condecending Pompus A–!!
He has diverted the real issue of Hatred Twoards America to racism! and the fools have falen for his empty words.Words, Words, Words he said..meaning that words are very important!!! Yes they are!!!! and it dosen’t mean only the words that he want to mean something!

Posted by: VoteResponsibly08 | April 14, 2008, 10:06 pm 10:06 pm

You don’t get it do you! It’s not the bitter about losing jobs, yada, yada. They always leave out the most offensive remarks. Then ones where he said bitter people cling to guns, religion, AND ANTIPATHY for people not like them. This here ladies and gentlemen is calling them bigots. You don’t like people who aren’t like you. This is the offensive statement that is totally glossed over by his campaign and the media. I resent and am highly offended by those remarks. If you’re not, then continue to let him demean and insult you.

Posted by: mel | April 14, 2008, 10:19 pm 10:19 pm

For being such a gifted Orator, how do people keep misconstruing his remarks?

Posted by: Peaches | April 14, 2008, 10:22 pm 10:22 pm

I’m still waiting for someone to explain to what Obama said that was “impolitic,” elitist, condescending or wrong.
Every single word was truer and more compassionate than anything Mrs. Bill Clinton has ever said, not to mention any Republican.
Everything in human history has been done by people who were bitter, angry and frustrated. Happy, complacent people have never done a thing.
The people who are objecting are either Cinton apologists at any cost, or Republicans. Either way, they’re irrelevant.

Posted by: Michael Davidson | April 14, 2008, 11:11 pm 11:11 pm

So for the past 25 years rural people have been what, standing by the nearest highway holding onto their guns and only leaving their posts to go to church? They are so disillusioned and bitter that they have chosen to stand in the same spot waiting for their jobs to return? I don’t get it. Most of us are a little anxious after 8 years of Bush (and who wouldn’t be) but we have managed to get on with our lives. Color me stupid but you cannot lump everybody into the same category.

Posted by: Pat Johnson | April 14, 2008, 11:12 pm 11:12 pm

michael davidson writes that the people objecting to obama’s mocking of regular people are either clinton apologists or republicans. he then says that either way, “they’re irrelevant.”
someone might want to explain to the obamaites that they need votes from clinton apologists and republicans if they think they can win a general election. obama’s getting about half the vote in the democratic primary race – that’s about a quarter of the votes once republicans are included. actually, it’s a lot less, since primary votes are much less than general election votes. so obama needs to pick up some votes somewhere. insulting people isn’t the way to do it.
btw, no way he can do it.

Posted by: so saddened | April 15, 2008, 12:20 am 12:20 am

Michael Davidson, you wrote: “I’m still waiting for someone to explain to what Obama said that was “impolitic,” elitist, condescending or wrong.”
I will rephrase what I wrote earlier. Had Sen. Obama just said that some people were bitter and frustrated with the federal government for failing to follow through on promises, that would have been fine. That IS a factual statement. BUT instead, Sen. Obama LINKED that bitterness as to WHY people support issues like: The 2nd Amendment; prayer in school; keeping the national motto, “In God We Trust,” on our money; keeping “under God” in the Pledge of Allegiance; defining marriage as being between a man and a woman; and the enforcement of our immigration laws. And in doing so, Sen. Obama gives the impression that these issues would not be important (or would no longer be issues) if the federal government had just followed through on its promises. THAT is where Sen. Obama fails to understand these people. Any bitterness that individuals may or may not have with the federal government has NOTHING to do with them supporting these issues. These issues are “life and death” issues to these people.

Posted by: James Danley | April 15, 2008, 1:31 am 1:31 am

Has anyone noticed that elections in this country are a joke? Does anyone stop and think about how ridiculous this is? Why, when the press ignores the ISSUES that affect you (healthcare, education, the economy, obviously the war) and pay attention to nonsense like this that you fall for it each and every time? Ask yourself about what stupid PR crap, drawn up by elites who think lowly of regular people across the board, you are basing your vote on. Are you going to think about this and every other inside the beltway created narrative or are you going to use for FREAKING BRAIN and think about the issues that are going to really touch you? Please people, think about where this nonsense has gotten us as a country. We’re stuck in an immoral, murderous and costly war, have a crumbling economic system, an overpriced and underperforming healthcare system, an out of control military budget and for profit war industry, a horrific educational system amongst other things. Could it be this way because every election cycle instead of educating yourself and getting active, voting for the candidate that had plans in your best interest you voted based on corporate press driven nonsense? WAKE UP! The press in this country thinks the public is stupid, it isn’t. Don’t prove them right by falling for this $hit…again.

Posted by: Kill Me | April 15, 2008, 4:25 am 4:25 am

Kill Me, you are correct…issues are very important when determining for whom to vote. But so are character and judgement. Will you vote for someone, who by his own words, dismisses your core-to-the-bone beliefs as just something you cling onto because you are bitter? Will you vote for someone who professes to be the only person qualified to unite the country, whose mentor for 20 years has preached segregationism? Maybe you dismiss these questions as “stupid crap,” but for many of us these are important questions.

Posted by: James Danley | April 15, 2008, 8:56 am 8:56 am

Coming from that neck of the Pennsylavania woods of Southwestern PA which literally was named Penn’s Woods after William Penn….relatives and others used to have an ongoing joke with a plaque at the Local Yocal Bar that said “WHERE THE ELITE MEET”. For God’s sakes even the local yocals know who they are and make fun of their ownselves. What’s the problem?

Posted by: cheyanne | April 15, 2008, 10:44 am 10:44 am

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