By Jennifer Parker

Apr 23, 2008 2:48pm

Obama-Backing Senator Hopes Superdelegates Focus on Clinton Scandals from 1990s

On MSNBC today, Sen. Claire McCaskill, D-Missouri, said that as superdelegates consider the controversies that Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, will be forced to deal with should he become the Democratic nominee, they should also think about the 1990s-era scandals that will come up should Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, earn the nomination.

Specifically McCaskill was asked about a report by the Washington Post’s Jonathan Weisman that "a Democratic strategist familiar with the Obama campaign" said in the next two weeks the Obama campaign is "likely to turn to the controversies of Bill Clinton’s White House years — Hillary Clinton’s trading cattle futures, Whitewater and possibly impeachment."

Would you support those types of tactics moving forward given how tight this race is? McCaskill was asked.

"Well, it’s a really difficult decision," said the senator, who has endorsed Obama. "I mean, no one in the Obama campaigns wants — I mean, Senator Clinton talked about her baggage in the debate last Wednesday. And everyone is very respectful and deferential to the Clinton family in our party and we don’t want to do that.

"But, frankly, they keep throwing nails in front of the bus," she continued. "And as voters are considering whether or not some of the controversies around Barack Obama will be an issue in November, people do need to remember, there will be controversies about the Clintons that will also be an issue in November. And I think that’s what we hope superdelegates also focus on."

- jpt

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Check it out ABC and Obama people: NY Times today:
Edwards Backers Team Up With Obama
No, John Edwards has not yet endorsed a candidate.
But nearly 50 of his most prominent backers lined up behind Senator Barack Obama today, in a gesture designed to give Mr. Obama a heavy boost of support less than two weeks before the North Carolina primary on May 6.
The group includes Ed Turlington, Mr. Edwards’s former national general campaign chairman; three North Carolina members of Congress; and 46 local activists, philanthropists and business leaders, among others. (Not surprisingly, given Mr. Edwards’s background, the list holds the names of 20 lawyers.)
GO OBAMA!!!!

Posted by: Becky | April 23, 2008, 2:53 pm 2:53 pm

***Back when EVERYONE was watching the S Carolina debate to find out if Sen. Obama was real change from the politics as usual…
Obama on his first big money supporter, Tony Rezco, “I only worked for five hours for him as a client as a junior lawyer.” (NO BIG DEAL) and then later, “He helped my buy my house and saved me $300,000 and gave 250k to my campaign” and then, “he never asked me for anything.”
naïve? or a lie?
Plus
His spiritual mentor for 20 years Pastor Wright said America is responsible for 9/11 and “god d@#$ America”, wouldn’t most Americans stand up and walk out….
Obama said, “I was never there in the pews”, and then later “I was there” …
***the Republicans are going to dismantle Sen. Obama …if he wins the Nomination.
Fact: He did receive $215,000 from the Oil Industry.
And he has two Oil Industry Executives on his fundraising staff…
this guy is slick and superficially people like him… but when you find out the truth… people don’t like him so much…

Posted by: greg | April 23, 2008, 2:59 pm 2:59 pm

I absolutely believe her past should be brought up. Why no one has approached the Whitewater issue is beyond me.

Posted by: marie | April 23, 2008, 3:01 pm 3:01 pm

I am so sorry I backed this woman in her Senate run.

Posted by: Kris | April 23, 2008, 3:01 pm 3:01 pm

Jake
I challenge you to give equal time to Obama scandals.
Since, if Hillary would put up all of Obama scandals Like you are doing. She would be called a mean and a racist.

Posted by: seah | April 23, 2008, 3:02 pm 3:02 pm

God
I am sad that the Clintons had to push us to here.
Over and over people said stay away from this…but if you think obama’s few things that have been inflamed are bad…wait until the American voters actually see all the details with the Clintons…
I said they should stay off this field but not a single Clinton supporter can get mad now that they have harped on character…
If there is a playing field that their candidate loses on bigger …it’s character.
Nobody has as many unanswered weiird coincidences, scandals and questions…not to mention fines, criminal associates and weird random deaths as
both Bill and more so Hill.
but everyone turned their back on it to try and say it’s a new day but the Clintons can’t help themselves…so okay here come the lists.

Posted by: dl | April 23, 2008, 3:03 pm 3:03 pm

What a joke. When was the Obama campaign anything OTHER THAN negative?
His whole platform from the very beginning was an appeal to the Hillary-haters.
Ask his supporters what his qualifications for the job are … and they’ll tell you none of Hillary’s experience “counts”.
Ask his supporters what his positions on issues are … and they’ll tell you they’re like Clintons, only Obama is smarter.
Ask his supporters how he would govern … and they’ll tell you how many people showed up for his pep-rallies.

Posted by: mlwheeler | April 23, 2008, 3:03 pm 3:03 pm

Greg, I am old enough to remember the Clinton scandals and cover-ups. She won’t be able to beat McCain. Republicans have always detested both her and Bill.

Posted by: Sallie | April 23, 2008, 3:06 pm 3:06 pm

McCaskill is a complete disgrace and will loose Missouri next time.The Clinton controversies have been gone over,looked into,salivated upon a trillion times,what more does this woman want?It is so typucal of the OBAMA ttack squad to bare their fangs after loosing.His problems are much more and far more recent and hidden behind the mask of a non existent perfect candidate .

Posted by: vic | April 23, 2008, 3:07 pm 3:07 pm

I do hope Senator Obama do bring up all the baggage of the Clintons, he has been too nice while the Clintons has played dirty politics. THIS HAS TO END SOON, COME ON SUPERDELEGATES, DO YOUR JOB AND ENDORSE OBAMA!!!

Posted by: yoli | April 23, 2008, 3:08 pm 3:08 pm

What about Obama Larry Sinclair?

Posted by: ccooper | April 23, 2008, 3:09 pm 3:09 pm

What about Obama Larry Sinclair?

Posted by: ccooper | April 23, 2008, 3:09 pm 3:09 pm

Oh, dear Marie … as to why “nobody has approached the Whitewater incident”?
Maybe that’s because it has already been investigated (four times) and the Clintons exonerated (four times) of any wrong-doing at a cost to the American people of many wasted years and millions of tax-payers’ dollars.
If anything damaging was going to be found on any Clinton, it would have been found long ago.

Posted by: mlwheeler | April 23, 2008, 3:10 pm 3:10 pm

Documents under subpoena were found on a desk in her White House office after an investigation closed. Does anyone remember the travel office scandel when people were fired to be replaced by Clinton cronies? (no wonder Bush thought he could clear out the AG’s office that way)
Anytime she is attacked it is a conspiracy by right wings, the media or Martians. Come on already.

Posted by: Alex | April 23, 2008, 3:12 pm 3:12 pm

Ooooh, do you think Hillary is shaking in her shoes? The Politics of Hope and Change just became the Politics of the Neocons! How funny is that? Obama and his campaign have already started going down below the pond sucking pond scum, but it’s pretty certain that David Axelrod and Obama can go even lower. Meanwhile, Hillary continues to fight for Democrats, (not Obama’s radical left wing liberal elites that are off sipping wine somewhere showering the voters of PA with contempt), showing her True Grit and True American Spirit – which Obama sorely lacks! Do you think Obama will agree to debate or will he just begin his “neocon” politics in hiding, like the coward and wimp that he is! GO HILLARY 08!

Posted by: calli | April 23, 2008, 3:13 pm 3:13 pm

I hope they do bring up everything, and then have to keep explaining why they think it’s relevant to re-hash old history that a 6 yr/$70m investigation put to bed — every accusation against HRC was unproven. Obama’s run a dirty, personal campaign – this would be right in line w/his style.

Posted by: Sandman | April 23, 2008, 3:13 pm 3:13 pm

She is right actually.
The MSM is focusing on the possible Obama negatives but the MSM is NOT focusing on the AVALANCHE of Hillary negatives that the GOP WILL use against Hillary if she was to win the nomination.
Obama is too nice in this respect but the GOP DEFINITELY will NOT be.

Posted by: stacey | April 23, 2008, 3:14 pm 3:14 pm

She is right actually.
The MSM is focusing on the possible Obama negatives but the MSM is NOT focusing on the AVALANCHE of Hillary negatives that the GOP WILL use against Hillary if she was to win the nomination.
Obama is too nice in this respect but the GOP DEFINITELY will NOT be.

Posted by: stacey | April 23, 2008, 3:14 pm 3:14 pm

Seah
are you kidding
Obama’s “scandals” have been trounced out paraded around pointed at brought up again…
you yourseldf and the clinton conference calls etc…
Hillary has NEVER seen one question during these primaries at ALL on her scandals…
It is about time people start asking questions and explaining to the American people what that big gray hairy thing in the room is… that the Clinton campaign is trying to hide as they point to the rabbit in the corner of Obama “scandals”…
Here come the lists…
can you explaiin to me anything outside of Monica or the word whitewater?
Go ahead bring on Obama’s “scandals” oh that’s right you already did 20 times over because you have nothing else you could win on.
Well Obama may not want to defame his opponent because he is the good guy he professes to be…but the rest of us supporters are not letting this guy go down by these hypocrites…
and I am sad that the Clintons and their supporters couldn’t be like McCain and the RNC did today and rise above it…
Can you tell me why Hillary’s chief of staff went and cleaned out Vince Foster’s office after his suicide before she was approved to do such a job that wasn’t her job to do? who exactly is MrHsu? What exactly is the controversy over this cattle windfall and is it weird that they have had more people/associates/witnesses die involved with investigations into Clinton dealings? What exactly was in those FBI files…and what was that all about?
I bet seah you can’t answer those questions without googling them. but you are obviously well versed on the few that Obama has been accused of…the clintons have lost and been fined and been disbarred…and…
but it was all cleared up in an investigation by the rnc… oh really then what were the results of that investigation?
It would actually take a college course to go through all of the Clinton scandals…oh that’s right the trials and investigations and returned moneys…all just a vast right wing conspiracy.
You wanted to play here seah…bring on Obama’s (if you have anything new that you haven’t put out there during this election…which I doubt) lets match up the lists and make sure the American people know all the details.

Posted by: dl | April 23, 2008, 3:16 pm 3:16 pm

What freaking world has she been living in? Over 70 million dollars of investigations by Ken Starr. These obama people are really stupid. But I think go ahead and turn all the women voters her way. YEAH!!!

Posted by: toby | April 23, 2008, 3:16 pm 3:16 pm

How did Hillary make $100,000 trading cattle futures?
Her background is in law, not futures trading. BTW, Hillary FAILED the Washington DC bar exam. Just shows you how smart she is.

Posted by: Doug | April 23, 2008, 3:16 pm 3:16 pm

An obama has nothing to fall back on. NOTHING, he doesnt have a senate record, his state senate records are LOST(oops). That is why he is not electable with a thin resume. All he have is his scandals.

Posted by: toby | April 23, 2008, 3:19 pm 3:19 pm

You keep throwing the women names out there, that was Bill Clinton not Hillary Clinton.
Go ahead turn off all women voters.

Posted by: toby | April 23, 2008, 3:21 pm 3:21 pm

The problem with talking about all of the well-known Clinton ethics and sex scandals, controversies, illegal activities, lies, impeachment etc, etc, is that there is simply not enough time in any given speech to bring them all up- not even if you limit yourself to the headlines only. Nobody wants to be reminded of what a disaster the Clinton years were. Please spare us the painful memories. i just want to move on. I want the 109 million dollar and counting Clintons to head off to Martha’s Vineyard to smoke their cigars and drink their French wine with the other rich people, and just leave us alone.

Posted by: rco | April 23, 2008, 3:21 pm 3:21 pm

How about a little thing like public access to Hillary’s tax records? Why is it that the Clinton campaign won’t release them for the primaries but will for the general election? Will there be further delays when it is time to release them for the general? Do the tax records show her beholding to big special interests?

Posted by: BooMan | April 23, 2008, 3:23 pm 3:23 pm

Now there is a hateful woman McCaskill her and Pelosi must be best friends and don’t make me laugh whitewater was a republican joke.Hillary stomped Obama in Pa.So everyone is running around just looking for a new spin story, Imo he should have at least been able to close the deal even by 1% but he didn’t he is going to be weak in the GE

Posted by: Bishop | April 23, 2008, 3:24 pm 3:24 pm

and to all those who say the rnc investigation found nothing…
no they focused in on the one thing they knew would take the leatst to get what they wanted…
he lied on the stand in a court of law and then to the American people…and if you think Hillary didn’t know that he lied you weren’t paying attention to the previous 20 years where they told the people over and over the same thing …
Once they found that that is all they focused on.
If you think that all of the Clinton scandals were all wrapped up with happy endings and a nice little bow you are about to have a very rude awakening.
and a third of that list has happened since that investigation wrapped up. They still have scandals showing up …
You want to know why the people made such a big deal out of Hillary Bosnia lie…because they have lied and gotten caught many many times.
this is not all false accusation andconspiracy crap this is things that the government itself had to rectify or they were fined or disbarred or had to return the moneys…
and if you didn’t know that either not only are you going to have a rude awakening now or in the fall… I may understand why you are fighting for her…
…because you have no idea who she is.

Posted by: dl | April 23, 2008, 3:25 pm 3:25 pm

no HRC prosecution in travelgate
no HRC prosection in fbi files
no HRC prosecution in cattle futures
no HRC prosecution for Whitewater
no HRC prosecution in Vince Foster
no HRC prosection for campaign finance fraud.
Thank you Starr/Ray for showing that HRC committed no crimes! Thank you Repubs for spending millions of dollars to prove HRC committed no crimes! Thank you Obama for showing how dirty you really are.

Posted by: Sandman | April 23, 2008, 3:27 pm 3:27 pm

I see ABC has suddenly posted two sets of popular vote totals. I’m sure it has nothing to do with Clinton taking the lead in popular votes. right?

Posted by: geevill | April 23, 2008, 3:29 pm 3:29 pm

The Peter Paul vs Clinton campaign fraud trial will begin soon…major baggage for Clinton that will definitely be used by the GOP.
Watch “Hilliary the Movie on you tube. It tells the truth about Hilliary.
Also look up the Peter Paul video on you tube.
Can you wonder why, with all her clout and influence, that the Superdelegates have not rushed to support her…
I am proud of the Obama campaign for not using this against her…..

Posted by: PeterPaulandClinton | April 23, 2008, 3:30 pm 3:30 pm

We haven’t heard from Claire since she was caught lying during Snubgate. Maybe she can explain why St. Louis was allowed extra time to vote and not the other parts of Missouri? I thought rules were rules.

Posted by: geevill | April 23, 2008, 3:31 pm 3:31 pm

I really “Hope” people will care about Whitewater!
Obama 08 – politics of change

Posted by: Mack | April 23, 2008, 3:32 pm 3:32 pm

Why can’t Hillary manage her campaign?
Why is her campaign broke?
Why doesn’t she fund it herself instead of begging working class people for donations?

Posted by: Doug | April 23, 2008, 3:32 pm 3:32 pm

calli
“Obama resorting to the politics of the neocons”
where have you been for the past three months…
You want to say “these are important questions ” when they take up the first half of a debate but then yuo don’t want hillary to answer the same questions?
when has she ever been quesitoned on Vince Foster…or Mr. Paul …or the issues of her watergate work?
when?
suddenly all the people who have insinuated stuff about Obama can be dragged through this primary but Hillary’s are old business?…uh no…many of her scandals have been since Bill’s Monica stuff.
Who has this many scandals…and why would anyone want a candidate that has THIS many LISTS of scandals and accusations to be their nominee.
Don’t try accusing Obama of playing some neocon card…after a whole election of her campaign calling conference call after call.
If you think the American people need to have answers about this type of issue with the candidates well okay…because I know none of you have asked any of this of Hillary…you just took the Clintons at their word.
how’d that work for ya in the 90′s? Remember right after taking them at their word… George Bush ran on a platform of “bringing values back to the White House.”

Posted by: dl | April 23, 2008, 3:32 pm 3:32 pm

Yes, and the rest of us are hoping that the voters remember the Rev. Wright scandal as well as the Tony Rezko scandals surrounding the Illinois Senator. Also the rest of us are hoping that the voters look at the results that he hasn’t accomplished since becoming a Senator a couple of years ago.
I also find it odd that some of these super-delegates and political people are backing Obama and not following the vote of the people in their areas. I do think that voters will keep this in minc when these people come up for re-election. Why are they jumping behind Obama/Kerry/Kennedy?…..because they want to continue with paritsan politics that they’ve all represented in the past. Hillary cannot be controlled by a certain group of political hacks, that is why she doesn’t have their support.
Hillary Clinton is the finest of examples of the “American Spirit”. They count her down and out time and time again yet she responds with a resounding primary victory and proves the pundits and polls inaccurate once again.
To all of the people in the remaining primary states, please also keep in mind that Obama is getting 92% of the black vote…..what does that tell you??? I think that the white democrats need to adopt that same type of politics. If they want to vote that way, it’s cool….the white people can do the same thing. If the white voters follow the black voters pattern, Hillary will win by a landslide.
Isn’t Claire McCaskill the same person that was the “scape goat” for Obama when he snub Hillary Clinton at the State of the Union Address? She’s a real piece of work.

Posted by: shalabalaboo | April 23, 2008, 3:33 pm 3:33 pm

BoMan… Are you living under a rock. The tax returns were released weeks ago, gone through and nothing was found that they could use against Hillary. Do all of you not realize that we that support and love the Clintons will not change our minds because you try to bring up OLD NEWS again and again. I don’t care if Bill parades one woman after another into the WH. The best years were when he was in office and I can’t wait for the Clinton’s to be back! I say yes to her keep throwing the truth at Obama and making him squirm. We need to know all his baggage and no matter how many efforts are made to question him, he just refuses to answer. We have a right to know all about his 46 (or was it 48?) years. EVERYTHING. We know everything about the Clintons including what they had for dinner last night. It is time we know all about Obama. And I’ll start, he had waffles for breakfast yesterday! Shame on him!

Posted by: MJSinPA | April 23, 2008, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm

Mack
it’s not just whitewater…
to the american people that is what they know of these…
the Monica trial and something called “whitewater”
they don’t know any of the rest.
the rnc is probably not to happy they wanted to hold off and bring the dems to their knees with this tsunami.

Posted by: dl | April 23, 2008, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm

Hillary’s main objective is her goal to be President – NO MATTER WHAT! The only thing her and Bill have in common nowadays is politics. That is their big love affair. Frankly, I don’t want to go thru another episode of Bill and Hillary in the White House. It was an absolute disgrace to our country. Knowing Bill he would probably try to run for President after her term was up. As a woman, standing by her man does not pass with me. It was the wrong decision, just like Iraq.

Posted by: Kathleen Borek in IL | April 23, 2008, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm

The Peter Paul civil case is a fine example of a frivolous law suit.
Paul’s convicted of federal conspiracy, cocaine charges, fraud,and securities fraud. Add in flight to Brazil and extradition issues, and you have a guy w/zero character recommendations. He’ll have his day(s) in court – and it will come to nothing.

Posted by: sandman | April 23, 2008, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm

Maybe the Obama campaign should hire Doug he sure knows a lot about Bill scandals, but I say to Obama bring it on, I think that is the best idea I have heard from his side, just fling dirt at Hillary, then take your chances with the voters.

Posted by: SJ | April 23, 2008, 3:38 pm 3:38 pm

Does anyone in her past Damn AmeriKKKa and set off bombs on American soil?

Posted by: Mack | April 23, 2008, 3:39 pm 3:39 pm

McCaskell:
“But, frankly, they keep throwing nails in front of the bus,” she continued. ”
Hey Lady, in case you haven’t noticed, that bus just ran out of gas!!!!!

Posted by: s. valenti | April 23, 2008, 3:41 pm 3:41 pm

where any of you old enough to vote in 92 election asking about whitewater seems an odd question to ask after years of investigation in the 90′s

Posted by: Bishop | April 23, 2008, 3:42 pm 3:42 pm

GREAT — DEMOCRATS IMPLODE. GRABS EXTRA LARGE BAG OF POPCORN!

Posted by: tony | April 23, 2008, 3:43 pm 3:43 pm

Hey Jake -
Want to talk about the 10 million raised by the Clinton campaign in less than 24 hours?

Posted by: Kris | April 23, 2008, 3:44 pm 3:44 pm

Now the Obama people are appearing desperate and grasping at straws. Everything that this hag, McCaskill, wants us to keep in mind is all of the things that the Clintons’ have been tried and acquited of. Now let’s look at what the Clinton’s have accomplished for our nation and that is what I will keep in mind when I place my vote. How many wars were we in when Bill Clinton left the White House? How was our economy and budget when Bill Clinton left the White House? These are the things that we should keep in mind when we go into the voting booth and not dwell on the things that seems to interest Claire McCaskill. She’s trying to use Karl Rove tactics. She is so jealous of Hillary and it shows.

Posted by: shalabalaboo | April 23, 2008, 3:44 pm 3:44 pm

LOL. in most states the age of consent is 17. Lewinsky was not raped, and 21 is not a child. Otherwise, there are a lot of drunken kids having sex AFTER graduating from college.
“Monica was just 21 years old
She was just a kid
Chelsea is 28. She’s a big girl now, but the Clintons won’t let reporters ask Chelsea tough questions.
So Monica is used and abused, but Chelsea is protected.
The Clintons are disgusting scumbags”

Posted by: tony | April 23, 2008, 3:45 pm 3:45 pm

sandman
I think the American people want to see why the governor’s wife and the first lady never prosecuted… when you all see the details of some of that it alone will raise questions…
and the fines and returned moneys…
How many people do you know that have been investigated this much and only been prosecuted a handful of times… oh yeah… it’s all a right wing conspiracy …(that started after the Gov of Arkansas and his wife…r u kidding)…
or the 400k her brother had to return that he got after Bill pardoned two people he was trying to get pardoned oh that’s right…she didn’t know anything about it and the President has the right.
I mean the weird coincidences that follow this couple are amazing…someone should have had them on “That’s Incredible”
If you can’t look at Maggie Williams going in and cleaning up Vince Foster’s office the day after his suicide… before the investigation a job that was not hers to do…with the situation that he was in…without a suspiscious eye than you are better than most Americans…but it’s all these things…
Each one you all can try to just to waaaf away but it’s their cumulative total that makes them hard to swallow.
These people have lied and gotten caught …in courts of law and on television about important thing…not just some salacious and degrading affair in the highest office of the land… but issues. and they have been caught every time they get questioned about everything denying until it’s ridiculous.
but you all keep that up in the face of trying to trash Obama on issues that actually are explainable and his attempt to talk about them.
We need to purge our government of these people. That is the point.

Posted by: dl | April 23, 2008, 3:47 pm 3:47 pm

I went to law school, and made about 60k last year on oil and Latin American stocks. Reading Is Fundamental.
“How did Hillary make $100,000 trading cattle futures?
Her background is in law, not futures trading. BTW, Hillary FAILED the Washington DC bar exam. Just shows you how smart she is.”

Posted by: tony | April 23, 2008, 3:48 pm 3:48 pm

And to Senator McCaskill who was insulted and berated by her daughter into changing her vote. Good luck getting re-elected with that out there…but anyway.
I would prefer nails being thrown under the bus, rather than Grandma, his Rev, small town PA, and anything else that gets in his way. It’s a shame you don’t see the difference.

Posted by: Cali girl | April 23, 2008, 3:50 pm 3:50 pm

I just want to know how a woman who is supposed to stand for children, could have grilled a 12 yr old rape victim. It shows how sick this woman’s mind is. Her type of “Anything to win” mentality goes too far for me.

Posted by: Rebecca | April 23, 2008, 3:51 pm 3:51 pm

opps…correction…
Why DID Bubba…
Freudian slip, I guess…

Posted by: Roxanne | April 23, 2008, 3:53 pm 3:53 pm

why did she win that money with cattle furtures? you know she said it was beginners luck… that she got the tip from the head of tyson… oh she got it after Bill raised the limits on trucks but that was just a coincidence….
what were the dates of the investigations of the fbi files that were removed for use against their enemies.
how did you feel when bill pointed his finger at the tv and said “I did not have sex with that woman.”
and when he came back and said “I lied ”
and when you heard the details of all the rigmarole that they went through to cover these things up?
how did you feel?

Posted by: dl | April 23, 2008, 3:53 pm 3:53 pm

Bill Clinton was re-elected despite the known baggage. Hillary Clinton was elected and re-elected too.
Bring it on! because Obama’s drug use, Rezko, and other baggage has not been opened yet.

Posted by: geevill | April 23, 2008, 3:53 pm 3:53 pm

Wow, democrats are really scratching each others eyes out now, and going for the jugular in the coming weeks. How much lower can it get? Rush Limbaugh was positively giddy and gleeful on the radio today, and he takes credit for keeping Hillary alive with his operation ‘chaos’ and orchestrating an unelectable democratic nominee in either Obama or Clinton. He’s hoping that Hillary will be the nominee so that McCain will trounce her. These are really sad times for our party. It’s depressing.

Posted by: rco | April 23, 2008, 3:54 pm 3:54 pm

This isnt true. In fact, in many states, Democrats would have lost without black voters. I am pro-Clinton, but please cut the racism. I think you’re right – the Dems are screwed either way. Women, whites and Latinos will stay home if Clinton loses and Blacks and college kids will if Obama loses. The loser party keeps its reputation! cool
“Doug, you say the black people will boycott Hillary, it’s okay they never show up to vote at general elections anyway. Maybe if Obama wins the white people will do the same thing and boycott him. Thanks for the idea.”

Posted by: tony | April 23, 2008, 3:54 pm 3:54 pm

Rush is on pain meds. Exit polls revealed that only 3 percent of the voters in PA were Repub to Dem, and they split between the two. Also, CBS did a study of all the votes in all the states which shows that the amount of “crossover” voting has not altered any race — i.e., the contests would have been won by the candidate without the crossover votes.
“Wow, democrats are really scratching each others eyes out now, and going for the jugular in the coming weeks. How much lower can it get? Rush Limbaugh was positively giddy and gleeful on the radio today, and he takes credit for keeping Hillary alive with his operation ‘chaos’ and orchestrating an unelectable democratic nominee in either Obama or Clinton. He’s hoping that Hillary will be the nominee so that McCain will trounce her. These are really sad times for our party. It’s depressing.”

Posted by: tony | April 23, 2008, 3:57 pm 3:57 pm

I think the funny thing is when you scroll down these comments all the Hillary people who now want to talk about numbers…lol…and the rest who keep going…”oh …and remember that one…oh and remember that one…oh and remember…ohohohoh…and that one.”
There are scandals on here that I forgot.
and now the Clinton people after bringing out “scandals” as a resonable thing to debate on are all like”move on already”
You have got to be kidding. If you can’t take the heat right?

Posted by: dl | April 23, 2008, 4:00 pm 4:00 pm

Male sexists, ageists, and self-whiteous elites deserve the anger they have unleashed. No one likes being force fed a candidate. Too late to now get all crazy over the situation. The party elites and the media united with college students and crazy youtubers (Obama Girl and Will I Am) to create a zombie-like worship fest, which drove sane party members insane. Sorry – but watching this gave me the creeps. I started out being for either candidate. ONce the lovefest and the race carding began, I decided I could not vote for Obama. It’s less about him, than about this stupid loser party.
“White racists deserve the president that they get.”

Posted by: tony | April 23, 2008, 4:00 pm 4:00 pm

Who cares about numbers? LOL. Besides, Obama accused Clinton of whining in one debate — and then he spent an entire weekend and invoked his media buddies to whine over the recent debate. So bruised and scared — he refuses to debate again. LOL.
“I think the funny thing is when you scroll down these comments all the Hillary people who now want to talk about numbers…lol…and the rest who keep going…”oh …and remember that one…oh and remember that one…oh and remember…ohohohoh…and that one.”

Posted by: tony | April 23, 2008, 4:02 pm 4:02 pm

If Obama loses to McCain this fall in the NE, do you think that the media, both liberal and conservative, will blame the Clintons for what they’ve done to Obama to make him unelectable? I do. It wasn’t that long ago that the party was energized and excited about fielding two top notch candidates. That moment was just before Hillary decided to throw the Kitchen Sink at him every day, back in the days where she claimed to have found her voice, back in the days when she was acting ‘nice’, pre-Bosniagate. Those days are gone. Now it is ‘may the best player win’.

Posted by: rco | April 23, 2008, 4:08 pm 4:08 pm

dl – anyone who lived through those times, remembers what the republican savagery was like. “Right-wing conspiracy” is a joke now but then the repubs – angry after losing the WH post Reagan/Buss – went after every little thing, turning everything into a special prosecutor/congressional investigation. The “cumulative effect” you’re referring to is bootstrapping – because she was investigated so many times there must be something there — even though she was cleared in each event? By that logic, every police/federal investigator, prosecutor, journalist, congressmember was incompetent – failing to prove anything. To follow that line is to say that HRC is so brilliant that she can out-run, out-evidence, and out-smart literally thousands of people. Is that what you’re saying?

Posted by: sandman | April 23, 2008, 4:09 pm 4:09 pm

sandman – Lets see the republicans went after the President for perjury, thats not little. or and suspected rape thats little too i guess!
and what have the libs been doing since 2000, they been going after President Bush so much it is undermining our security and economy!
Libs are Hypocrites to the nth degree

Posted by: spock | April 23, 2008, 4:19 pm 4:19 pm

I have a hard time believing that the press will bite on the old Clinton scandals. Every bit of the Clintons’ lives has been aired, ad nauseum. What else is anyone going to say about Whitewater, billinggate, travelgate, Monicagate, etc, etc, etc?

Posted by: David H. | April 23, 2008, 4:20 pm 4:20 pm

Obama supporters like McCaskill are so heavily invested in his campaign that they grasp for any straw. Hence, the “bring out the 90′s stuff”!
My feeling is “do it”. HRC has been so vetted, over and over again, that we HRC supporters are inured to such stuff. We know the Clintons “warts and all”, yet still HRC is the best to lead this country out of ruin.
Obama folks take your best shot. You have been doing it all along, what has it accomplished? Nothing! So go for it!
Obama had 6 weeks before the Pa vote and a 3to4 to 1 spending advantage to re-introduce himself and “connect to the voters”. He flat out failed! Remember the long running chant of “everywhere he has the chance and time to personally campaign, he wins”! His campaign, despite such mantras, continued pronostications and wishing, seems to actually be imploding.
If Obama were everything he is proclaimed to be, HRC should be long gone by now. Yet she is still winning primaries, has a solid non-yeiding base, and shows more resilence and fortitude every day.
Pundits say “math” dictates HRC “cannot” win. Yet, I have yet to see a pundit delineate the “math” by which Obama “can” win the 2025. I have asked, and still ask, anyone of said ilk to produce such a concrete formula by which he can. Perhaps someone on this blog would be good enough to do so.
Right now, the truth as I see it, is that the only true formula for an Obama win involves HRC “quitting”, and that seems highly unlikely.

Posted by: Mike in Texas | April 23, 2008, 4:21 pm 4:21 pm

Candidate Clinton has no chance to win based on the numbers.
He won twice as many states he will gain at least a dozen in the add on superdelegate category.
Donna edwards will be elected in june which is another superdelegate.
Obama is on track to get 4 of the 6 edwards delegates in iowa.
At each step of the caucus process Obama does better adding more delegates.
Obama will make up more 10 delegates lost in pennsylvania in north carolina.

Posted by: Dan | April 23, 2008, 4:30 pm 4:30 pm

Sen. Claire McCaskill is deperate, I guess someone should tell her how Ken Starr is or how many hundreds of million of tax payer dollars was spent investigating for NOTHING! Not to worry, McCaskill candidate Obama was get the same treatment!
Politicans living in glass houses should not be casting stones.
I wonder what kind of dirt McCaskill has in her closet?

Posted by: Eliane | April 23, 2008, 4:31 pm 4:31 pm

MIke in Texas
the problem with your “vetting” comment
the American people…well…ask them what they know about vince Foster?
ask them what they know about cattle futures?
ask them what they know about Marc Paul
ask them what they kkow about the witnesses that have died suddenly ithat were expected to be used in court for trials agaisnt the clintons?
ask them about maggie williams?
ask them about norman hsu?
ask them I can go on and on…
she has not been vetted to the American people…
most people don’t know any of the details outside of the monica trial, the blue dress, the rightwing conspiracy and something called “whitewater”
they only know the details of monica… becasue that is what this great republicna investigation honed in on…
they may have looked at the other stuff but they needed something directly with Bill that could get him removed…he lied on the stand under oath as President…aand it was odne…they had what they needed…and guess what …it worked.
She has not been vetted… she has never been asked about some of these situations and answered ever to the public never mind on camera or especially during this selection process …
if you all think as Hillary says “these types of questions need to be answered” that goes both ways.
why do you think that fox and the rnc have never once during this entire past 16 months mentioned any of these… because they want Hillary to be the nominee…yes Hillary has brought up a couple fo issues with Barack…but with her they have a tsunami to bring the dems to their knees.

Posted by: dl | April 23, 2008, 4:32 pm 4:32 pm

Candidate Clinton is NOT VETTED.
No names of foreign donors to Clinton library.
Really no mention of her screw them comments to southern whites.
Lack of focus of her lying saying she tried to join the military. First she said it was the marines now bill is saying it was the army. The Times investigation showed she never tried to join the military it was about a test against feminism.
Candidate Clinton is not vetted.
Clinton won’t release her travel schedule from 2000-2006 and reports are she is afraid the RNC has it on their hands because the white house is under a republican and they would have access to her records.
Candidate Clinton never released pardon records from bill’s white house.
Candidate Clinton when she was a lawyer alledged that a young girl who was raped liked older men. That hasn’t gotten much notice.
Candidate Clinton is not vetted.
She has no chance at the nomination.
The numbers aren’t there for her.
Wake up candidate Clinton supporters the media wants ratings but that doesn’t hide the fact she has no chance at the nomination.

Posted by: Dan | April 23, 2008, 4:34 pm 4:34 pm

and if one more of you doesn’t realize…that the RNC did not spend that money on looking at anything outside of the Monica trial once they had that…
and why don’t you all read the starr report…there are not answers to all questions…
That is the crutch we have relied on for a decade to make it seem like these people were better than GW (well I am happy to say that GW and the Clintons are not the bar).

Posted by: dl | April 23, 2008, 4:36 pm 4:36 pm

Clinton voted for confiscating personal firearms during the katrina disaster.
She voted for police to go into homes and take all the firearms away from people.
She voted against the vitter amendment.
Candidate Clinton is on tape being for the invasion.
She is a serial liar.
Candidate Clinton supporters are going to wake up after north carolina with egg on their face.
The end of the Clinton lying era is coming to an end on may 6th.
Candidate Clinton will lose both Indiana and North Carolina and it will be OVER.
Talk about being vetted. Bill got paid by columbia and dubai for the ports deal while Clinton took out a loan for her campaign that she is charging interest for.
Clinton supporters like serial liars.
They like being lied to.

Posted by: Dan | April 23, 2008, 4:37 pm 4:37 pm

david h
what exactly are the details of billingate? travelgate? whitewater?
because to be hinest I don’t think most of the people on here never mind the American people really know all the details…
I know 80% of them could not tell you almost anything baout 90% of the clinton scandals…and that’s being generous…
they just know …”oh the clintons have some scandals” they remember before 24 hr cable news people who were into those things talked about something that was questionable.
the only thing they know well is Monica.

Posted by: dl | April 23, 2008, 4:41 pm 4:41 pm

Bill Clinton left office with a 65% approval rating. The American people knew whitewater was a witch-hunt. They still do!
Those that try to beat up on Bubba seem to have a way of actually slapping themselves in the process. As I stated earlier, go for it!
The Republicans found out they could not take the Clintons down with such histrionics. As Ol’ Bill says that dog simply would not hunt, and still won’t.
Guess it is the Obama campaign’s turn to find out for themselves. For all but the messianic neophytes it is a moot issue.

Posted by: Mike in Texas | April 23, 2008, 4:44 pm 4:44 pm

Clinton has no chance at the nomination.
The media wants the ratings and the Clinton supporters are too dense to look at the math.
The popular vote argument is foolish because they aren’t giving Obama any vote for Michigan.
The popular vote argument is foolish because they are not including 4 caucus states.
The popular vote argument is foolish because Obama would have had a far bigger margin in caucus states out west that can’t stand candidate Clinton in a pprimary.
Candidate Clinton would have lost by big popular vote margins if there were primaries in states like colorodo instead of caucuses.
Candidate Clinton does horrible out west. She isn’t inspiring. Candidate Clinton is horrific in the mountain west, upper midwest like iowa.
Candidate Clinton dissed iowa. She said it was like running for mayor. She dissed wisconsin.
Candidate Clinton is weak in the northwest.
The nomination is over accept for the media who wants the ratings and are lying to Clinton supporters.
Obama is up 150 pledged delegates and will gain 16 more in north carolina and indiana. Obama will gain a dozen more from having won 14 more states in add on delegates.
Clinton supporters are too dense to realize this.
Obama gained more delegates in washington state last week.
Yesterday was terrible for Clinton she went from a 26 point lead to a 9 point lead and only picked up 8-10 delegates.
Clinton is very weak west of the mississippi.
Obama is far stronger in colorodo, nevada, oregon, washington state, new mexico, wisconsin, iowa, virginia.
Clinton runs 9 percent behind McCain in Michigan. Clinton loses to McCain 46-37 in Michigan.

Posted by: Dan | April 23, 2008, 4:44 pm 4:44 pm

“And as voters are considering whether or not some of the controversies around Barack Obama will be an issue in November … ”
Come November, tender candidate Obama will be back in the Senate, backslapping with Senator Coburn. Or off in the Caribbean, more likely, writing another hahaha book . . .

Posted by: New Morning | April 23, 2008, 4:47 pm 4:47 pm

Hillary is running a double standard with her campaign tactics. She expects to be able to attack Obama as much as she wants, and thinks it’s a fair way to ‘play the game’, but crys ‘foul’ if he attacks her, and to top it all off, if he doesn’t fight back, she labels him a ‘wimp’? This is not unlike many folks relationships- as a guy, you can’t win for losing. Why is all of Clinton’s baggage off limits for Senator Obama, his surrogates, or the blind press to rehash? Is there some unwritten Clinton ‘rule’ in effect? Thou shalt not impugn the Clintons with their dirty laundry from the nineties, or incur their rath? Are the press and party hacks like Pelosi and Dean afraid of the Clintons? Surely as a nation we should be able to see through all this double standard garbage, and hold Hillary accountable for her lifetime of unethical, dishonest, and intimidating behavior. Character does matter.

Posted by: rco | April 23, 2008, 4:54 pm 4:54 pm

“In Pennsylvania independents couldn’t vote.”
Right: it was a DEMOCRATIC primary. Only “closed” primaries say anything about who DEMOCRATS want the DEMOCRATIC Party nominee to be.
This simple fact undercuts any “popular vote” argument which includes open-primary states — and the fact of bullying and lack of a secret ballot undercuts any arguments about caucus-state results.
(I’m an Edwards partisan rather than a Clinton supporter, but the remaining Obamaniacs seem all unstrung today about even the simplest matters.)

Posted by: Belle Starr | April 23, 2008, 4:58 pm 4:58 pm

You have mentioned all of those things on here dl, time and again, and probably anywhere you blogged. what reaction have you gotten.
I truly hope the Obama campaign goes there. If they truly believe it should come up again, then they certainly have a right to do so. This is a political fight, not a tea party. All is fair!
As to your comment Roxanne, about let’s play ball. I am all for that! Obama will be totally unelectable by June 23rd.

Posted by: MC | April 23, 2008, 5:03 pm 5:03 pm

Good posts Dan. Don’t forget she also dissed Mississippi badly when she was in Iowa. Your comment about the media propping Hillary up for ratings is an excellent one that Hillary supporters seem to ignore. The polls show that the vast majority of Americans (and PN voters ironically) don’t trust Hillary. Some idiotic voters find her untrustworthy, yet still vote for her because she is a woman. Go figure.

Posted by: rco | April 23, 2008, 5:04 pm 5:04 pm

dl posted:
“how did you feel when bill pointed his finger at the tv and said “I did not have sex with that woman.”
and when he came back and said “I lied ”
and when you heard the details of all the rigmarole that they went through to cover these things up?
how did you feel?”
dl,
I felt fine. To me, it always was a question that should never have been asked.

Posted by: countallthevotes | April 23, 2008, 5:05 pm 5:05 pm

Kris,
I say prove they have raised 10 million in 24 hours. We all know after the Bosnia incident that Hillary has a propensity to exaggerate. Also, since the campaign was 11 million in debt, isn’t she still in debt after raising 10 million?

Posted by: Progressive Democrat | April 23, 2008, 5:05 pm 5:05 pm

“Some idiotic voters find her untrustworthy, yet still vote for her because she is a woman.”
And … some idiotic voters find Mr. Waffles untrustworthy, yet still vote for him because …
… he’s NOT a woman?
… he’s half-”black”?

Posted by: Belle Starr | April 23, 2008, 5:08 pm 5:08 pm

How much you want to bet that Hillary will not use that 10 Million she just raised to pay her mounting campaign debts. She’s going to spend it in Indiana and NC! It’s the Clinton way- and it’s illegal to not pay these debts- it violates campaign finance laws!!

Posted by: rco | April 23, 2008, 5:09 pm 5:09 pm

Unless you had to “co-sign” for something rco, I would say that your musings regarding HRC’s finances matter not one bit.
Same for you “regressive democrat”!

Posted by: Mike in Texas | April 23, 2008, 5:13 pm 5:13 pm

Most of America knows those were overblown scandals. Like Hillary said in the debate, they’ve been through her baggage.
Even the Office of the Independent Counsel (OIC) and 80 million dollars couldn’t come up with something more than the President having an affair and giving Monica a job referral with Vernon.
To put that into perspective, that is more money than they spent looking into 9/11, and they still couldn’t find anything.
Obama is shooting himself in the foot trying to go after their scandals, because his are fresh and mostly unknown by the masses.
With his glass jaw, whoever advised him on this course, is now allowing the Clintons to stop pulling their punches.

Posted by: Cali girl | April 23, 2008, 5:16 pm 5:16 pm

“I felt fine [about Wild Bill's reticence re White House erotic adventure]. To me, it always was a question that should never have been asked.”
The only time I EVER had any respect or affection for Bill Clinton was when he refused to discuss this. It was the right, if not the “lawful”, thing to do — and showed, I thought, that he DOES, oddly, respect women.
Anybody who’s willing to delve into all THAT either has never engaged in sex of any kind, or is a misogynist. There is no way to go into it without further victimizing the object of WB’s fleeting recreational intimacies.

Posted by: Belle Starr | April 23, 2008, 5:17 pm 5:17 pm

Really
countall the votes
They didn’t just go after him for that question…they knew he would lie about it. I don’t care if the question should have not been asked or not …
so becasue the question shouldn’t have been asked you think it is okay that he dragged the country through all of that…
this is exactly the deal with the clintons and why some people like yourself should come clean when talking about the clintons
and so because the republicans were wrong…he should have gotten up and lied on the stand and then instead of coming clean
go on tv and tell the American people a lie?
It is kind of like this primary isn’t it. Doesn’t matter if it effects the country if the Clintons are protected they can do anything they want.
So he lies to the american people and your first thought is…he should not have been asked.
That is the answer of someone who isn’t looking for the right choice for the country…that is someone who is defensive against anything with the Clintons.
Thus we see all your comments on here… they are not first about the best choice for the country and party…they are the best choice for your candidate.
some of us have woken up from the long sleep.

Posted by: dl | April 23, 2008, 5:17 pm 5:17 pm

Everyone should read the NYT article “The Low Road to Victory” ripping Hillary for her gutter tactics. Just like Michael Moore’s recent comments about Hillary’s disgusting campaign! And to think the NYT endorsed Hillary, i might add in her own state. They should retract their endorsement, if she doesn’t clean up her act. BTW, I would never vote for Obama because he’s a man or because he’s half black- those things don’t matter at all.

Posted by: rco | April 23, 2008, 5:18 pm 5:18 pm

How dare she point out reality…heavens knows the NYT isn’t interested in that.
The NYT carried Bush and Cheney’s water for getting us into this war. Judith Miller and her articles that were sourced by the White House, and utilized by those same people in the White House as proof on the Sunday talk shows. Trying to talk up the war.
Who cares what the NYT thinks!

Posted by: Cali girl | April 23, 2008, 5:23 pm 5:23 pm

“With his glass jaw, whoever advised him on this course, is now allowing the Clintons to stop pulling their punches.”
‘Bout time. PA makes it hard to miss that the lowly voters have tired of the mystical obfuscation of the tender candidate’s actual biography and political practices.

Posted by: Belle Starr | April 23, 2008, 5:24 pm 5:24 pm

This is what I’ve said along.
The media has yet to “fully vet” Hillary
None of the 90s scandals are played in loops
Peter Paul vs William “Bill” Clinton and Hillary R. Clinton starts this week
Media???
If Hillary were to win the nom, the Republicans would blast the 90s all over the television, radio, and streets

Posted by: Vanessa | April 23, 2008, 5:26 pm 5:26 pm

again cali girl…
that money ended up predominantly focused on the one issue they could get him ousted with …so the idea that the independent counsel spent 80 million and found nothing on any scandal is simply wrong.
Thye found their issue that they knew they could ge thim on and guess what …(even with all the roadbloacks and running around to block them) they won.
These scandals have not been vetted in the light of 24 hr news and in the round of an election where Hillary is the focus.
Most of these scandals just floated offinto the wind because either a new scandal came along or other tiopics…or it was settled many times with violations against the Clintons.
but obviously you don’t even know that.
That is the problem…clinton supporters want to put their hands over their ears and scream “LALALALALA. sHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP I CAN’T HEAR YOU”
Go read all these things that the American population does not know…they just have heard words like “whitewater” or “vince foster” or “fbi files”… and then Monica…the only case that most of america knows and thinks that is the extent of the scandals…and that these scandals continue is the most fascinating thing…and taken individually you all can spin each as best you can but taken cumulatively… it’s like saying OJ was innocent.
there’s a point where “right wing conspiracy” no longer holds up to the weight…
How many politicians have THIS many investigations and fines and disbarrments and censures and returned funds and deaths and lies.
It’s bad…but when they are your king and queen and it’s the only light you can remember for 15 years… you get defensive and blinders.

Posted by: dl | April 23, 2008, 5:28 pm 5:28 pm

Vanessa, that’s obviously why the Republicans want Hillary running against McCain this fall.

Posted by: rco | April 23, 2008, 5:29 pm 5:29 pm

“I would never vote for Obama because he’s a man or because he’s half black- those things don’t matter at all.”
Uh, what DOES, then? His stupid health plan? The adjustable accents? The supercilious persona? The soldier-cult fervor of his determination to subdue Afghanistan? The Cheez Whiz?

Posted by: Belle Starr | April 23, 2008, 5:32 pm 5:32 pm

belle
if obama has a glass jaw becaus eof his couple of scandals… the clintons vital organs are made of flourescent tubing.
you don’t want to play on a this rough and tumble field with those organs…even if you think your opponent has a glass jaw.
go read up on scandals and clintons
in fact just google hillary and scandal…or hillary and deaths…or hillary and investigations…
or any other scandalous term…
millions of hits… “angelina” and “brad” don’t have as many hits.
They have lists and lots of people who believe in those lists right or wrong.

Posted by: dl | April 23, 2008, 5:33 pm 5:33 pm

dl,
I’m fully aware of all of those ‘scandals’. The reason he finally settled on that subject is that it is hard to float a case about Whitewater when the Clintons lost money.
The ‘Filegate’ is a moot point now with the Patriot Act destroying the Constitution. Vince Foster has been treated like a conspiracy theory, so that won’t get any traction either.
My memory about all of these is just fine and no I don’t have blinders on, which is why Obama doesn’t get a pass from me.
However, my issue with the Clintons had to do with real subjects like giving the UN some of our National Parks.
Do you even remember that happened? Or are you too busy on fake subjects? Like the Hillary/Iran rant?

Posted by: Cali girl | April 23, 2008, 5:42 pm 5:42 pm

“if obama has a glass jaw becaus eof his couple of scandals… the clintons vital organs are made of flourescent tubing.”
That’s not what a “glass jaw” IS. It’s what makes boxers pass out from the slightest tap in the wrong place.
In Obama’s case, he pretends to support “unity”, and to forswear the “negative” because he’s been babied and cosseted from birth, and he. can’t. stand. conflict. (Obama got all the way to the U.S. Senate without any conflict.)
Any conflict about his own manufactured wonderfulness, infallibility, or mystical fitness to be president is going to make him waaay uncomfortable.
If somebody starts teasing this guy as the talking heads have baited Clinton (and Edwards, and Dean before HIM), Obama will cry or go into a rage. Wait and see.

Posted by: Belle Starr | April 23, 2008, 5:50 pm 5:50 pm

Rough week for Hillary! She wins PA, but Obamna gets 2 supers. Hillary raises 10 million,( she is now even) but gets a scathing report from NYT who previously endorsed her. 49 supporters of Edwards are announcing for Obama. Obama is reminding Hillary of her and Bill’s past, and her vulnerabilities. Most PA vioters acknowledge that it was HIllary who went negative.
Lets see if she backs off or does Obama unload on her.
Obama08

Posted by: Thinking | April 23, 2008, 6:01 pm 6:01 pm

As I stated earlier, I welcome such an attack by the Obama campaign. It is their perogative and I think they should do it.
I think they should be well prepared for the backlash also.
However, they are not going to go there. They do not have the guts to do so! They have only floated a “trial balloon” in the hope that it might show up in blogs, just as it has here.
Such statements as that by McCaskill are only being put out as a “backdoor” wish in hopes such will detract from HRC’s PA win.
They also want to “throw a bone” to their followers. They need to give the Obama minions something to blindly rant about, as they are doing.

Posted by: Mike in Texas | April 23, 2008, 6:08 pm 6:08 pm

Oh I hope Obama goes after her, then she will have licence to hit him on everything full throttle. There is a lot of material on him, known and not known “yet”

Posted by: Jim | April 23, 2008, 6:12 pm 6:12 pm

You can spin it all you want, if this primary was for Obama to win he would have won it already but once again Hillary has proven the presidency can’t be bought and the will of the people will prevail. You go ahead and attack Hillary …McCaskill and all the Obama lovers…..show how you truly are a politician and no different from everyone else…because after all the American people know you are the biggest hypocrite running for public office right now.

Posted by: mona | April 23, 2008, 6:16 pm 6:16 pm

Bill Clinton was convicted of anything. He was never tried for anything. He was impeached by a Republican congress that was infuriated that Starr and all of the OIC could find nothing but Lewinsky.
He left office with a 65% approval rating by the American people.
It is probable that more people have already been indicted in the Resko mess than were ever indicted re whitewater.
Obama’s indictment may come sooner than later.

Posted by: Mike in Texas | April 23, 2008, 6:26 pm 6:26 pm

Sorry! “not convicted”!

Posted by: Mike in Texas | April 23, 2008, 6:27 pm 6:27 pm

Well since the old gal is claiming a co-presidency, we really need to go back and look at ALL those pardons and clemencies Billy Boy granted. Just how many criminals were there and what were their crimes. We know about the Weatherman Underground but there were 16 from the FALN terrorists as well.
While we are at it, don’t forget how Bill Clinton force fed the Chinese trading partnership thru. He even lifted the governing counsel that was to oversee patents etc. He wanted NO constraints on trade with the Chinese. And just how much have the Chinese donated to his Library and his foundation?
While we are at looking at the old baggage don’t forget the NEW baggage with Peter Paul vs Clinton. Don’t forget the Colombian trade agreement Billy Boy wants and Hillary SAYS she doesn’t want. The Clintons had M. Penn and her financial advisor making backdoor deals while she is consoling all those blue collar workers in PA about their job losses.
Go for it Obama! If you don’t we know the Republicans will. Clinton has proven you cannot run a campaign against her without a gutter fight. Don’t anyone dare critize Obama for roughing up a woman. This is NO LADY or leader. She is a bitter woman scorned who only has this one thing left in her life.

Posted by: Texas Voter | April 23, 2008, 6:28 pm 6:28 pm

“Obama’s indictment may come sooner than later.”
You think so? THAT’d be a solution.

Posted by: Belle Starr | April 23, 2008, 6:47 pm 6:47 pm

Hillary didn’t bring up Obama’s “issues.” The media did – finally! But go ahead new politics campaign. Throw the kitchen sink and then blame Clinton. Barack is such a baby!!! It’s pathetic, and Republican radio thinks it’s hysterical.

Posted by: ruhla | April 23, 2008, 7:05 pm 7:05 pm

I think he should kitchen sink the witch!

Posted by: latinovoter1 | April 23, 2008, 7:22 pm 7:22 pm

Lots of you want Hillary to win, lots of you here want Barack to win. Barack looks like he will win based on votes and delegates. He may be a weak candidate–or not–but the rules were put in place before the primaries, and all the candidates said they would follow the rules. The Republicans have a winner take all system, which may strike you as “unfair” or “lopsided”, but that is what the Republicans have chosen. Hillary cannot catch Barack. Every person on this board knows this. I guess if you want Hillary to be President, this fact is depressing. She should have done a better job at the beginning. She really screwed up. She did it to herself. No one put money on Obama for anything before Iowa. Even after Iowa, the prevailing view was that Hillary would right the ship like George H.W. Bush did against Dole in New Hampshire. Hillary supporters need to decide whether they want their party to win–and support Obama, or if they want their candidate and not the party, and are willing to assist the McCFain campaign. Hillary’s finished.

Posted by: K. J. Klassen | April 23, 2008, 7:44 pm 7:44 pm

It’s about time! Thank you Sen. McCaskill! I can’t believe someone has finally come out to say what I’ve been thinking for months now. Selling pardons to finance the purchase of their very first home is unethical and shows the corruption in the Clinton family! Lying to the American public about “experience” and she’s still a candidate to become the leader of our country? What has America come to?

Posted by: Wendy, Denver | April 23, 2008, 7:55 pm 7:55 pm

Lots of you want Hillary to win, lots of you here want Barack to win. Barack looks like he will win based on votes and delegates. He may be a weak candidate–or not–but the rules were put in place before the primaries, and all the candidates said they would follow the rules. The Republicans have a winner take all system, which may strike you as “unfair” or “lopsided”, but that is what the Republicans have chosen. Hillary cannot catch Barack. Every person on this board knows this. I guess if you want Hillary to be President, this fact is depressing. She should have done a better job at the beginning. She really screwed up. She did it to herself. No one put money on Obama for anything before Iowa. Even after Iowa, the prevailing view was that Hillary would right the ship like George H.W. Bush did against Dole in New Hampshire. Hillary supporters need to decide whether they want their party to win–and support Obama, or if they want their candidate and not the party, and are willing to assist the McCFain campaign. Hillary’s finished.

Posted by: KJK | April 23, 2008, 8:29 pm 8:29 pm

If you count the states delegates as winner-takes-all, like in the in the general election, clinton is 1800+ and bho 1100+.
ugh, oh…

Posted by: pp | April 23, 2008, 8:56 pm 8:56 pm

McCaskill’s a joke! Nails under the bus. Please bring up the Clinton baggage I’m sure by now it will be rosy fresh. By the way, Hillary was impeached and didn’t make pardon’s but go ahead McCaskill show your daughter what it’s like to get down and dirty in the “New” politics Barack brings. Why if he is winning so big and is sure to win the nomination would he even consider stooping this low? Is he that embarrassed about his debate performance? Or is it all the foreign policy experience he got while in elementary school in Indonesia?

Posted by: Peaches | April 23, 2008, 9:01 pm 9:01 pm

Why should white blue collar workers care anyway? Barama’s campaign manager said today that don’t need their votes.

Posted by: Henry | April 23, 2008, 9:07 pm 9:07 pm

Claire McCaskill on Bill Maher:
McCASKILL: It wasn’t “Mommy please.” It was Maddy in my face saying, you know, “How can you look yourself in the mirror?” “You’re a slug.” “You’re playing it politically safe.” I – “You believe in this guy.” “I’ll never speak to you again, if you don’t stand up and have some courage.” It was pretty intense. And she was right. It was like a cold – cold bucket of water on my head. She was absolutely right.

Posted by: cappamore | April 23, 2008, 9:07 pm 9:07 pm

Yes, we should all listen to the voice of reason from a twelve year old. I think her daughter should be VP since see knows 6th graders.

Posted by: Bell | April 23, 2008, 9:10 pm 9:10 pm

Since Claire wants to remind people of the 90′s, I thought she might like to be reminded of some her greatest hits:
Obama-backing Sen. Claire McCaskill, D-Mo., said at a press conference courtesy of the Kansas City Star, HERE):
“What this man has done, Barack Obama, is, he, for the first time I think, as a black leader in America, has come to the American people not as a victim, but rather as a leader.”
Maybe her daughter wrote that for her.

Posted by: cappamore | April 23, 2008, 9:14 pm 9:14 pm

Marie, I’m glad to see you bought the spin job on Obama’s comments. But really antipathy for people who aren’t like you is calling them bigots. You can’t spin thank. So, thanks but no thanks. P.S. His campaign basically back up his hubris towards middle class individuals by indicating they don’t need their vote. Can’t spin that one away either.

Posted by: Daniel | April 23, 2008, 9:46 pm 9:46 pm

Regardless of the spin put on by McCaskill, Hillary Clinton wins the electoral college in November against McCain.
Obama cannot.

Posted by: Jayhawk | April 23, 2008, 10:14 pm 10:14 pm

Thinking:
“…but gets a scathing report from NYT who previously endorsed her.”
Where WAS this report? Was it written in invisible ink?
Get OVER it!
Hillary is our best choice for effective
leadership at this juncture in time.
As for her color….. she can’t HELP being white!
Get over it!

Posted by: eyes wide open | April 23, 2008, 10:58 pm 10:58 pm

Regardless of the Rezko-esq scandals that surround Hillary Clinton, freshman Senator McCaskill would do well to consider what rural Missourians think about being called bitter, gun-toting religious zealots by a man who for 20 years stood by and listened as seeds of racial hatred were sown in his children and others but who not only couldn’t muster up the courage to address it with his friend in private but who instead made excuses justifying such speech to the public.
There are more than enough Obama scandals to justify McCaskill’s sppedy departure from the Obama bandwagon, and if she wants a second term it would greatly behoove her to do so as soon as possible.

Posted by: GPM | April 23, 2008, 11:14 pm 11:14 pm

Missouri is called the “Show Me” state for good reason. Missourians don’t often fall for rumor, innuendo and unsubstantiated facts. They’re not cynical, but they are skeptical of wild claims. That’s why Claire is popular: she calls it as she sees it. I expect if Missouri had its primary today, Obama would still win and by a larger margin than before.

Posted by: Tom J | April 23, 2008, 11:25 pm 11:25 pm

If roughly 14 million people who have
voted have gotten over it, maybe its
time for everybody else to move on and
get over these non-issues.
Obama is unelectable, he will not be able to unite this party. He will lose
a lot of the Clinton vote, and aocording
to the polls she wouldn’t lose as many
Obama supporters in the GE.
The superdelegates really do need to wait and let this play out, lets give every person the chance to vote and decide

Posted by: Melissa | April 23, 2008, 11:43 pm 11:43 pm

God
How Hillary Clinton has found the personal courage to fight on in the face of such unmitigated hate and vitriol is astounding.
Indeed, her strength stands in stark contrast to the lack of moral courage Barack Obama repeatedly displayed when he failed – over an astounding 20-year period – to address the hate speech of his friend and pastor, even in private.
And his breathtaking willingness to rationalize and justify such speech should be a wake-up call to any Democrat who truly understands and the hard-won principles of nondiscrimination. Such a person is fundamentally unfit to lead a country as diverse as America.
I cannot imagine having to vote for a Republican, but if the party’s superdelegates decide to run Obama I will have no choice but to do so as I will never – ever – vote for a racist sympathizer. Indeed, nominating such a person is something I would expect from the KKK or the Nazi Party, not the Democratic Party to which I have belonged for 35 years!
So thank you, Hillary, for standing up to the powerful cabal that supports Obama and for giving me an opportunity to vote for someone other than John McCain!
“Rise, Hillary, Rise” – Maya Angelou

Posted by: GPM | April 23, 2008, 11:52 pm 11:52 pm

Good old Claire…and even as her fondest hope of being VP fades she just keeps up her attack dog rold.
I’m sure as always in an effort to play on the negatives that the Republicans opened up the Obama campaign will try to keep the Clinton scandals in the forefront.
Watch out Claire I think that the MSM has been really kind about the Obama judgement and experience…but they may tire of hounding Clinton and get tired of working Obama’s talking points.
King Obama can whine and threaten and spend and fret….the truth Hillary is rising and he doesn’t know what to do!
Remember Rezko!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Jackie | April 24, 2008, 12:46 am 12:46 am

Henry
Obama said today he doesn’t need older voters either. And his attorneys stopped the revotes in FL and MI so he obviously doesn’t need them….
Actually Obama just needs a spin and a prayer…wonder if Wright will be doing the praying?

Posted by: Jackie | April 24, 2008, 12:57 am 12:57 am

I know that Sen. Obama does not want to do negative campaigning, but it’s do or die. Clinton is throwing nails in front ot the bus. Obama will not win on being “nice”. I have been wondering why Clinton’s baggage has not already been airing. Please don’t wait to late….

Posted by: Laura | April 24, 2008, 12:59 am 12:59 am

I know that Sen. Obama does not want to do negative campaigning, but it’s do or die. Clinton is throwing nails in front of the bus. Obama will not win on being “nice”. I have been wondering why Clinton’s baggage has not already been airing. Please don’t wait too late…. The Clintons are having a “field day” with Obama. If he really wants to win the Whitehouse, he has come out fighting.

Posted by: Laura | April 24, 2008, 1:04 am 1:04 am

Becky, this is about a ad with this Edward backer and Obama. he is fron LA

Posted by: bos123 | April 24, 2008, 1:21 am 1:21 am

I’m with most people here. What about the Clinton’s greasy, sleazy history and when is that coming out? The MSM has been so polite to avoid all of this, in order to let HRC have a “fair” chance…but come on now, when mud is being thrown at you, don’t you have the right to throw back. Obama has been a gentleman, standing by principles, NOT bringing up old billy’s history of extra marital affairs, let’s see, there is Gennifer Flowers, Paula Jones, and oh yeah, the woman who was assaulted by hi, and says HRC tore her up like a banshee to protect her husband or more liekyl to protect her own political power and ambition….these people have more baggage than heathrow airport!
It is unbelieveable to compare scandalrs bw obama and clinton. She’s got a hugh history and nothing compares to it.
I truly feel BO is going to win this nomination and we’re seeing just a temporary moment in time when she’s got the momentum…Good lord if she’s the nominee, the Republicans, I hope they do “vett her” again. She deserves to be vetted again after the affair she has dragged her opponent through in this nomination.

Posted by: Pb | April 24, 2008, 2:11 am 2:11 am

let’s see, old news from the 90s that’s been rehashed over and over and that everyone knows about already, vs. stuff people don’t yet know about obama – hmmm, wonder which has more legs….
mccaskill’s such a tool.
the obamaites are just trying this out since their guy got trounced last night.

Posted by: so saddened | April 24, 2008, 2:26 am 2:26 am

Clinton scandal from the 90′s? Republicans have tried to rehash them over and over and Hillary Clinton is sitill standing. I prefer and oversexed Bill than a Michelle American hater. I preferwhite water scandals before the 90′s over recent and present relations of Obama with Rezko, Ayers, and Farrakahn. If hypotetical misdeeds by the Clintons are going to be thrown by Obama, maybe I prefer those than tohear about Obama and Sinclair. Obama is unelectable Sen McCaskill.

Posted by: Libre | April 24, 2008, 2:58 am 2:58 am

Clinton stuff from the 90′s? Best president in the last 30 years, balanced budget, Education improvments, job creation, World respect , striving economy. Resistance to the Republican/Ken starr inquiscition. What about Obama”s past? Will republicans start when he was hooked on drugs?

Posted by: Libre | April 24, 2008, 3:03 am 3:03 am

mccaskill, who lied for obama when he snubbed hillary at the state of the union, on international tv, thereby embarrassing the entire nation, says that they’re respectful of the clintons- lol!
i am SO looking forward to her losing her senate seat when she tries to get reelected. i will laugh, and laugh, and laugh.

Posted by: so saddened | April 24, 2008, 3:23 am 3:23 am

Actually new “baggage” is about to arrive for Hill. April 25 the court will decide onthe date in the fall for the tial of Paul v Clinton on the biggest fraud case involving Hill’s 2000 Senate Campaign for $17 million.
Superdelegates may want to considet that Hill will be testifying in the fall in Los Angeles instead of be available to camapign in the General Election.
So I ask you…who really is electable?

Posted by: Mandy. CA | April 24, 2008, 6:33 am 6:33 am

Let me rephrase that: Who will be available to campaign in the fall?

Posted by: Mandy, CA | April 24, 2008, 6:34 am 6:34 am

It’s difficult to take McCaskill seriously since the main reason she’s backing Obama is because her teenage daughter threw a tantrum and called her a slug. Unfortunately, that’s the type of Democratic “leadership” that’s trying to shove Obama down the throats of the voters. Ain’t gonna work, no way, no how.

Posted by: HoosierSue | April 24, 2008, 8:53 am 8:53 am

I find it strange that Edwards backers are rallying behind Obama considering his Non-Universal Health Plan and propensity to focus on Black Poverty as opposed to Poverty. But whatever floats their boats.

Posted by: HoosierSue | April 24, 2008, 8:56 am 8:56 am

The Republican leadership has ALWAYS counted on Hillary Clinton as their biggest asset in terms of both contributions and focus. NO ONE is hated more by the Republican Right Wing than the Clintons and they can always use her as a rallying cry, even to back the not-so-right wing John McCain. Why else would he man behind the right-wing-conspiracy endorse her candidacy? He wants to rally his base against her in the fall and he needs her to beat Obama by any means possible right now. The truth is the truth.

Posted by: Tommy Thompson | April 24, 2008, 9:41 am 9:41 am

This is the same Claire McCaskill who said “he, for the first time I think, as a black leader in America, has come to the American people not as a victim, but rather as a leader,” I don’t know if she’s lacking common sense or just a little empty in the brain.

Posted by: Cord | April 24, 2008, 3:04 pm 3:04 pm

Bill Clinton was impeached, for God’s sake!!!! And that is the least of their
deeds.

Posted by: kathleen | April 24, 2008, 10:50 pm 10:50 pm

Might either of these candidates lead opposition to confirmation of General Petraeus as commander of CENTCOM?

Posted by: mirth | April 25, 2008, 1:02 am 1:02 am

Hillary was originally projected the winner in Mo. She ended up losing by less than 1%? Obama will not carry the state & Claire McCaskill will not be re-elected.

Posted by: RL in Illinois | April 25, 2008, 1:29 am 1:29 am

Obama can’t win? Are you saying that you rather see McCain who promise a 100 years in Iraq. Are you telling me that?

Posted by: donis georgiou | April 25, 2008, 4:09 am 4:09 am

Is this the chick who said her 19 year old daughter prompted her to endorse Obama? Yeah, we should take what she says as gospel. LOL

Posted by: A reader in Georgia | April 25, 2008, 10:12 am 10:12 am

Oh, and further.. just like in PA and OH.. the rural Missouri counties went for clinton convincingly. The only reason she lost is the urban areas just have more people than the rural areas in that state, but if you look at the county by county breakdowns, the distinction is JUST like PA and OH. It’s just there are more rural voters in PA and OH than there are city dwellers. Facts are stubborn.

Posted by: A reader in Georgia | April 25, 2008, 10:17 am 10:17 am

Wow,
After reading all the comments posted here, I didn’t realize how ignorant and racist some Americans really are. What a scary thought. All the derogatory remarks, all the name calling, come on people, I would hope that we as a country is better than this. Whether you are for Hillary or Barack. Stop all this none sense…geez.
GOD BLESS this country of ours and I pray for its future!!!

Posted by: Jay | April 25, 2008, 12:10 pm 12:10 pm

It’s obvious the Republicans want Hillary to win. Why? Because she is their ticket to another Republican White House. Do you think they’re switching parties to vote for her because they all of a sudden think she’s such a great person. C’mon – lets not be naive. Republicans want one thing now – Hillary to win the Democratic nomination, and one thing later, for John McCain to beat the tar out of her in the race for the presidency. One thing for sure, the Republicans do not want Obama to win the nomination. He scares the hell out of them for two main reasons. One, he speaks the truth. Two, he has the people behind him.

Posted by: Eric Funk | April 25, 2008, 11:03 pm 11:03 pm

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