Obama Continues to Twist Truth About Twisting Truth
Here are the facts.
* Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., has suggested he would be fine with an indefinite US troop presence in Iraq for 100 years or more "as long as Americans are not being injured or harmed or wounded or killed" — not a continued war for that long, but for a US troop presence there, the way the US continues to have troops in Japan more than 50 years after the end of World War II. Watch McCain make this comment HERE
* Generally when Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, has hit McCain for this remark, he has been accurate in his description.
* There have been at least three times when Obama has twisted what McCain said to portray McCain as advocating war in Iraq for 100 years or more: As recently as the end of March in Lancaster, Penn., Obama said, “you know, John McCain wants to continue a war in Iraq perhaps as long as 100 years." At the Cleveland, Ohio, presidential debate, Obama said the U.S. is "bogged down in a war that John McCain now suggests might go on for another 100 years." In Houston, Texas, on February 19, Obama said that McCain "says that he is willing to send our troops into another 100 years of war in Iraq."
* Yesterday on MSNBC, Obama senior strategist David Axelrod said Obama "is not saying that Sen. McCain said we’d be at war for 100 years." I suppose that depends on what the meeting of the word "is" is.
* Today on TODAY, Obama was asked by Meredith Vieira if he’s willing to admit that he has distorted McCain’s statements. Obama said: “No. That’s not accurate, Meredith. We can pull up the quotes on Youtube. What John McCain was saying was, that he was happy to have a potential long-term occupation in Iraq. Happy may be overstating it — he is willing to have a long-term occupation of Iraq, as long as 100 years, in fact he said 10,000 years, however long it took.”
* It is accurate to say that Obama has in the past distorted McCain’s comments. Watch a Republican Youtube video that shows Obama’s words from today and from the past HERE
* It is a matter of opinion to say that voters are “tired of distortion, name-calling, and sound bite solutions to complicated problems.” But it is accurate to say that Obama wrote that opinion in his book "The Audacity of Hope," and that he is violating his own stated aspirations. (Audacious indeed.) Because not only has he distorted what McCain said, he is not being honest about having made those distortions.
It’s beyond me why Obama would want to change the focus of this debate from McCain’s willingness to have troops in Iraq indefinitely to his misrepresentation of what McCain said. As ABC News’ Ron Claiborne sagely noted McCain’s actual remarks are sufficient Democratic ammo.
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Obama’s greatest experience is in ‘lying to the American people’.
Had Obama been in the U.S. Senate and spoken against the Iraq War vote and voted against it, then I would consider that a suitable comparison to how Hillary stood on that vote.
OBAMA WASN’T A SENATOR WHEN WE WENT TO WAR! Unless one is in a particular legislative body under the same conditions and factors, you cannot compare two decisions straight up. The question is who will make the right decisions from here on.
Obama has spent his entire time as a Senator—running for President! If he can’t do his Senate job—he surely can’t lead our country. Obama has told so many lies that he is not credible.
Hillary ’08.
Posted by: proudamerican2008 | April 8, 2008, 9:46 am 9:46 am
ProudAmerican,
So your saying that the ONLY experience that is relevant is when someone is actually in government. Then doesn’t that invalidate virtually all of Clinton’s experience since it was done when she was not in the Congress?
Posted by: David | April 8, 2008, 9:51 am 9:51 am
Why is it twisting words? He said he was comfortable being in Iraq for 100 years. Oh as long as american soldiers are not being killed. Duh, but our troops are in an active combat zone and are dying. He also started singing Bomb Bomb Iran when asked about diplomacy with Iran. Come on you are splitting hairs about someone clearly mongering for war – McSame.
Posted by: Warmonger McCain | April 8, 2008, 9:52 am 9:52 am
Obama plays games with words and thinks he’s really smart. It’s gonna bite him in the ***. Even if you don’t support McCain’s policy, you don’t want to see the man misrepresented. He’s a war hero, not a warmonger, and Obama has no respect.
Posted by: Vnd | April 8, 2008, 9:55 am 9:55 am
US Military presence in Iraq to prevent a civil war will continue to provoke periodic attacks from extremists no matter how long we are there. These folks are arguing about centuries old disputes. So, you may argue about whether we will be at war or not for the next 100 years but the fact is as long as we are there there will be casualities. If history has taught us one thing about the middle east foreigners have never been able to create stability there. It will always be a sham with sects waiting for the next opportunity to strike. It is time to call an end to this folly.
Posted by: indy_voter | April 8, 2008, 9:56 am 9:56 am
Obama landed in Pakistan under sniper fire while visiting his friends during college. Oh wait that was Hillary landing in Bosnia, oh wait, I mis-spoke. I am a mis-spoken spokesperson for the American people. If you do not tell the truth or inflate your credentials during a Job interview, you do not get the job. Sorry, Hillary, you are not trustworthy.
Posted by: A true patriot | April 8, 2008, 9:57 am 9:57 am
I am waiting for McCain’s campaign to just HAMMER Obama and smack him behind his big wet ears. Hasn’t Obama himself said a troop pullout will be slow and he can see troops remaining as a presence for many years (OK, that’s 100, but the idea is virtually the same; the U.S. needs to be a steadying force in the region)?
I want McCain to just blast Obama for this — and I’m pleased that a reporter has finally called him on his two-faced approach to campaigning and his loose affiliation with the truth.
Posted by: Beth | April 8, 2008, 9:58 am 9:58 am
Both Clinton and Obama have all of the qualifications needed to be president. Both are extremely astute, both know how Washington works, both know a hell of a lot more about foreign relations than George Bush did when he started and even more than he knows right now, after being on the job for nearly eight years.
On the economy, health care,and education, both know more and have much more lower, middle, and upper-middle class-friendly views on education than McCain.
Racists want to tear down Obama, no matter what the pretense. Now we’re hearing that its a bad idea for people studying foreign policy in college to travel around the world, unless they stay in places were everyone sees things just like main-stream xenophobic Americans do. We wouldn’t want to elect a president who knows how the rest of the world lives and sees things, now would we? The world is laughing at this country….so the choice is do we continue along the same path or do we change course? If we don’t elect Obama, we truly deserve everything we get.
God Bless America…please!
Posted by: SMS | April 8, 2008, 10:01 am 10:01 am
look, obama distorts truth, sure, but as a Clinton supporter you cannot be ignorant to the fact that so does Hillary. I support Obama, I’ve never actually supported a candidate before, but I also feel like he is still a politician. So if you would like to suggest that barack is not credible because of his “lies” then I dont think anyone in Washington is credible, especially Clinton. To me the difference is in their person, I feel like Obama is a real person who really cares, and doesnt have a personal agenda. Just my thoughts. Thanks
Posted by: mike | April 8, 2008, 10:02 am 10:02 am
It’s silly for Obama to make more out of this, because what McCain is actually saying shows a fundamental lack of understanding about our relationship with Iraq. A permanent presence in Iraq will be nothing like our presence in Japan or Germany where we provide a stabilizing force. The fact is, a prolonged military presence in Iraq will be a destabilizing force in the region and only deepen animosity towards the U.S. This is exactly what we’ve seen come out of our presence in Riyadh.
Most people forget that the seeds of Bin Laden’s hatred toward the U.S. were born out of our permanent military presence in Saudi Arabia.
Our engagement in the Middle East must be done diplomatically, McCain doesn’t seem to grasp this fact.
Posted by: davidconnell | April 8, 2008, 10:03 am 10:03 am
The Us has troops in almost every country in the world. Having troops in a country is different than being at war with a country or occupying it.
The fact that the US had troopsin Saudi Arabia was the justification for the 9/11 attacks by Al Quaeda. The US was not at war with Saudi Arabia.
Obama is definately twisting what McCain had to say.
In all honesty, there probably will be some US troops in the region for decades, no matter what Administration or Party is in power in Washington, which is all McCain was trying to point out.
Posted by: s.b. | April 8, 2008, 10:04 am 10:04 am
The point is, with McCain’s 100 years statement, that has he no clue and does not give an indication WHEN and HOW the current war and deadly violence against Americans will transform into some “”peaceful”" occupation. BTW, such an occupation would still highly illegal, against everything international law is about.
So as long as McCain supports a continuation of our actions in Iraq, and mentions a 100 years period of American action in Iraq, YES he is talking about a 100-years war for the moment, EVEN if he adds a ‘no injuries and deaths’ fantasy. WAR is the reality right now.
Obama’s criticism of McCain in this respect is an example of hard realism confronting some idealistic prospect of Americans as a welcome occupying force.
In fact McCain’s vision is exactly like the prospects Rumsfeld had for our ‘liberation’ of Iraq.
I fully support Obama’s attack line and realism on this issue. For him it is NOT a game of words, for it’s about American deaths and a future American bankruptcy; it is McCain’s rosy picture of a peaceful American presence in Iraq that is wordplay; reality doesn’t support it by any means.
Posted by: ken | April 8, 2008, 10:04 am 10:04 am
SMS: We deserve everything we get if Obama becomes the president. And God help us. This country would become a disaster worse than what Bush put us into. Obama doesn’t have the intelligence to run any country let alone America and I hope the white people wake up to that fact. Let’s hope that he doesn’t win the nomination, but if he does, McCain will knock him down to size. McCain will get a landslide and make America happy.
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | April 8, 2008, 10:05 am 10:05 am
“long-term occupation of Iraq, as long as 100 years, in fact he said 10,000 years, however long it took.”
Obama’s throwing the kitchen sink!
Posted by: John | April 8, 2008, 10:07 am 10:07 am
So the surge is working according to Petraeus’s testimony….
will this help Obama?
Posted by: John | April 8, 2008, 10:12 am 10:12 am
Fair play.
I don’t remember anyone calling “foul” a few months ago when McCain and others continuously added in their stump that Obama wanted to “bomb Pakistan” who is one of our allies. Implying that he wanted to bomb the country itself… when in fact he said “If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won’t act, we will”… he was ridiculed endlessly for this until we actually did this and it worked.
Posted by: Blake | April 8, 2008, 10:13 am 10:13 am
Mike: If you think Obama has the intelligence to run this country you must be living a dream. He doesn’t have enough brains for day one. You may believe the lies he tells but the battleground states didn’t that’s why he never won them. Their smart, they did the right thing. He won nickel and dime states that don’t care about America that’s why they voted for him. And he wouldn’t win the battleground states in a general election, they would vote for McCain. This generation would vote for him if he had a prison record because they don’t know better. They think they know about politicians but you can tell they know nothing when they give their vote to him. His speeches are based on others and his added words to those speeches are nothing but lies. And guess who would be coming to dinner? Wright, Farrakhan, Rezko and whoever else is anti-american.
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | April 8, 2008, 10:13 am 10:13 am
Well at least he is going after McCain and not pumping him Up Like Bill and Hill have done .
* Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., has suggested he would be fine with an indefinite US troop presence in Iraq for 100 years or more “as long as Americans are not being injured or harmed or wounded or killed
So when will he remove our troops if the killings continue? Who many more will have to die before he says enough is enough? 100? 300? 500? 1000? 4000 more?
Keep the Pressure on McCain I want to hear how many more of US citizens will die before it is put to an END.
Barack will keep the pressure on. Hillary vote for the war cant. She voted for it.
Posted by: Lauren | April 8, 2008, 10:17 am 10:17 am
Has McCain ever said when the war and killings of Americans will be over? So i guess these statements are not that far off iMcCain wants to continue a war in Iraq perhaps as long as 100 years.” At the Cleveland, Ohio, presidential debate, Obama said the U.S. is “bogged down in a war that John McCain now suggests might go on for another 100 years.” In Houston, Texas, on February 19, Obama said that McCain “says that he is willing to send our troops into another 100 years of war in Iraq.”
ts mark.
Posted by: Lauren | April 8, 2008, 10:20 am 10:20 am
proudamerican: You are absolutely right in whatever you said. His added material to the speeches he copied is nothing but lies and I don’t know when the people of this country is going to wake up. And when will Chris Matthews and Shuster stop promoting Obama and give some justice to McCain and Hillary. They have been promoting him from day one. I have also read complaints on a message board about them. Obama needs to go back to the senate and wait for another 8 years then run for the presidency. Hopefully Hillary beats him out of the nomination or this country is in worse trouble then it is now.
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | April 8, 2008, 10:23 am 10:23 am
The implications of McCain’s statement certainly could include 100 years of war. Yes, McCain used the qualifier “as long as our troops aren’t being shot and killed” – and I’m sure he meant that – but tell that to the Iraqi’s.
Those broad implications include a sniper situation for as long as we have presence there.
Twisting the truth is a bit strong here – we’re talking more about interpretation.
Posted by: Sara | April 8, 2008, 10:25 am 10:25 am
John
So the surge is working ..Have you watch the news ? How many Americans Have died in the Last 2 weeks? Does working mean that there is an acceptable number of the Deaths of Americans? What is the number so we all will know?
Posted by: Lauren | April 8, 2008, 10:26 am 10:26 am
How about when Bush said that Obama wanted to bomb Pakistan and make friends with Ahmadenijad? That was quite a mischaracterization, but you didn’t write about that!
Think of all the bull that Bush told about Kerry in 04! This is politics. Get over it.
The fact is—Americans don’t want to be in Iraq for 100 years. You may be working as hard as possible to discredit Democratic candidates, but the American people are not buying it.
Posted by: James | April 8, 2008, 10:27 am 10:27 am
Marianne
Hillary voted for the War. She has the blood of our troops all over her hands.
She will always use her Bad Judgement .
She Only thinks of herself and her Political Ambitions . With No concerns how it effects others Just herself.
Posted by: Lauren | April 8, 2008, 10:33 am 10:33 am
Hi-liar-y, keeps lying and keeps getting caught, the three of these people running lie, she is the worst one…
Posted by: Hal | April 8, 2008, 10:36 am 10:36 am
@ Lauren
The Republicans are being reaffirmed the surge is working according to Petraeus’s testimony which is on the news NOW.
and Obama didn’t have a voice in the war, excuse me, he didn’t a vote, he was not in the Senate yet.
He’s flip flopped his stance on the war so many times to so many different sources he sounds like John Kerry.
Posted by: John | April 8, 2008, 10:40 am 10:40 am
I dont want any more Americans Killed.
We need to leave as soon as possible and let the Iraqi People fight their own civil war like we fought for ours..When their civil war is over then if we believe having a base there is a good and a betterment for all then by all means okay. But Not while we are targets from the Terrorists.
Posted by: Lauren | April 8, 2008, 10:40 am 10:40 am
The topic is not what McCain said.
It’s about how Obama twisted McCain’s words. It’s interesting that Obama’s supporters are not addressing his propensity to take things out of context. I guess he’s guilty on that count.
So, divert the conversation to something else and hope nobody notices that the puppet still dangles from strings.
Posted by: S | April 8, 2008, 10:42 am 10:42 am
John
I am Listening to it. It still doesnt mean th OUR Solidiers are not DYING. Let the Iraqi’s Fight their own Civil War.. Just Like We Did. Bring OUR troops Home.
Posted by: Lauren | April 8, 2008, 10:46 am 10:46 am
What Obama said is accurate. I saw the McCain clip and someone in the audience made the comment that Bush said we could be in Iraq for 50 years. McCain replied “Maybe 100 years.” Everone is ignoring the fact that the Iraq war was sold to us as being quick, low cost and would be short term. Now we have a republican running for president saying we will have permenent bases in Iraq like we have in Japan and Germany. Will the cost be 12B per month. I dont know. But I did not sign up for permenent presence in Iraq. No one did. Obama wants our troops home. The choice is clear. Americans will be able to choose to stay in Iraq forever or get out in a year or two. So long as we are putting resources in Iraq our borders will not be secure, there will be no resources for public schools or healthcare. Nothing will change. Americans. It’s up to YOU>
Posted by: Wayne | April 8, 2008, 10:49 am 10:49 am
Senator Obama is right. Iraq is different from post-war Germany and Japan.
In Germany and Japan, the Allied presence was a provisional authority over generally homogeneous cultures who were able to resolve political differences in a few years’ time. In contrast, Iraq has been a cauldron of tribal conflicts since its formation as a nation state following WWI. A series of strongmen have averted civil war by subjugation. Now that Saddam is gone, we essentially have an open-ended conflict.
Thus, unlike Germany and Japan, the American presence in Iraq must necessarily mediate among the various religious and ethnic factions, many of whom are willing to employ violence to achieve their ends. That requires greater numbers of American soldiers, and it increases combat and casualties. Who can deny that our bravest are dying everyday in Iraq?
That the American presence in Baghdad will resemble Okinawa is a pipe dream. If we are there for 100 years, we are there for 100 years of conflict.
Posted by: Eric | April 8, 2008, 10:51 am 10:51 am
Hit a Certain Target that has terrorist in hiding.
Then Bush sent in the bombers and hit it Later. Get the Facts correct.
Posted by: Lauren | April 8, 2008, 10:53 am 10:53 am
I don’t think I have ever heard Hillary state that her vote on Iraq was a mistake as John Edwards did. Until she does she has no credibility with me. With all her “experience” she should have known better at the time or at least, based on more recent, “experience” admit now it was a mistake.
Posted by: indy_voter | April 8, 2008, 10:54 am 10:54 am
Surge success=McCain victory.
Posted by: John | April 8, 2008, 10:55 am 10:55 am
Trey
I and and the world believe you are confused . you should have wrote Hillary. just thought i would point out your error.
Posted by: Lauren | April 8, 2008, 10:56 am 10:56 am
SMS blathers: “where everyone sees things just like main-stream xenophobic Americans do. We wouldn’t want to elect a president who knows how the rest of the world lives and sees things, now would we? The world is laughing at this country.”
You have absolutely NO RIGHT to speak for “main-stream” Americans. Do you? See, this is part of the problem here. Everybody thinks their OPINIONS are facts. Feel free to spout your particular version of nonsense, but certainly don’t pretend you speak for anyone else.
OK?
Posted by: jim | April 8, 2008, 11:02 am 11:02 am
HOW MANY times has Obama said something, later to take it back saying “oh, but that is not what I meant…”. the guy does not take responsibility for anything! Hillary has the integrity to say if she has made a mistake, Obama refuses to admit that he is less than perfect. He is a pathological liar, and it has been proven again and again and again. Those of you who bash Hillary seem to forget Obama’s lies in his Selma Alabama speech, or his lies about his father’s connection to the Kennedy’s. Fair is fair….Obama is “oops, he did it again”…..and what about the biggest lie of all…..sitting in a church for 20 years and not realizing the Pastor’s anti american views? What are you Obama supporters thinking, still believing this man???
Posted by: Justice | April 8, 2008, 11:07 am 11:07 am
Justice,
You are just a cynic if you see faults in Obama. The Obama supporters are trained to see his perfection, and it is only a matter of time, enough chanting, and enough coolaid when you will come on board too. Obama doesn’t really need you, though, because Justice is not needed on the Obama campaign.
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Justice sees faults in Obama!
No Justice on the Obama campaign!
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Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | April 8, 2008, 11:14 am 11:14 am
OMG you have some nerve putting something bad in print about are Obama later today I am sure you will correct this and put in Hillarys name we do not want the children crying do we.
MCcain or Hillary in 08
Posted by: Bishop | April 8, 2008, 11:15 am 11:15 am
I’m an ardent Obama supporter, but i’ve called repeatedly for Obama to drop this stupid 100 years remark from his stump speech. I think he has enough differences from McCain to stump on. I also think Hillary twists the 100 years remark as much as Obama. I wonder why it’s only Obama that’s getting hit for it. This gotcha politics and soundbite BS should stop, seriously.
Posted by: Kevin | April 8, 2008, 11:16 am 11:16 am
If all Obama ever said about the Iraq war was that if he were in the Senate he would not have voted for it, then the arguments that are made to marginalize and minimize the importance of what he actually did would have some merit. Thats not what he did though.
In a time when it was politically unpopular to do so – the drumbeat for war was in full effect – the lies were being leaked to the NY Times and there was an overwhelming majority of support for the war among the American people – and when Obama himself was running for office – he made a very detailed, policy-heavy speech that very carefully and astutely laid out the argument against the war. Included in this argument was the argument that invading Iraq would lead to civil unrest among the warring sects that were so thinly held together by a series of brutal dictators, most recently Saddam. Also noted was that going into Iraq would increase terrorist operations in Afghanistan – the real target that we should be focusing on. Since the Iraq war by the way, Al Qaida is stronger both in Afghanistan and abroad than at any point even pre-9/11. Obama went on to discuss the long-term nature of the occupation, completely not buying the lie that the entire operation would take a total of “just days, weeks, i doubt months.” Also he spoke of the fact that we would have to be borrowing from China to fund the occupation, leading to a financial crisis and inflation problems domestically.
He didn’t just SAY that he would have voted against the war. He made a very frank, intellectually honest, and politically courageous stand against what he (correctly) saw as an American foreign policy disaster. While politicians who had already achieved their goals and ascended to the House and Senate lacked the political courage or personal fortitude to question what garbage was being shoved down their throats for fear of being anti-American or unpatriotic, a young ambitious future senator named Barack Hussein Obama had what those politicans lacked and spoke out. He did so intelligently and courageously.
Sure Hillary made a mistake by voting for the war – but so did a lot of people. Thats not going to keep me from voting for her if she’s the nominee. But to dismiss Obama’s opposition to the war as irrelevant because he was not yet elected to the Senate is ridiculous and counter to any sort of logic.
Posted by: Mike in Tampa, FL | April 8, 2008, 11:20 am 11:20 am
If Obama is the nominee, I can see a great Republican ad campaign on precisely this issue, showing clips of Obama, juxtaposed against McCains actual speech. Weighty ad, me thinks, as it shows a malicious distortion that people will not like.
Posted by: countallthevotes | April 8, 2008, 11:21 am 11:21 am
Mike in Tampa, Fl,
I think your post is thoughtful. Where I differ in your interpretation is this — a speech that a politician makes when they do not have accountability to a statewide electorate is not the same as the accountability they hold when they are representing the full constituency. Also, what emerges for me in Obama’s claims is when he is asked about his Iraq policy he always said “I was against the war from the start”. That’s a sound byte, not a policy. I really don’t have a clue on where Obama really stands on this matter. He has become a blank slate to many, where they paint the picture they want to see.
Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | April 8, 2008, 11:31 am 11:31 am
Only in America will McCain, an Iraq war hawk, be serioulsy considered for the Presidency in spite of the disaster in Iraq.
Americans have a short memory
Posted by: John Jones | April 8, 2008, 11:34 am 11:34 am
Senator Obama is a seasoned old fashioned politician from Illinois.
Posted by: Evelyn | April 8, 2008, 11:36 am 11:36 am
Bottom Line:
Obama sucks…
Posted by: rdi | April 8, 2008, 11:38 am 11:38 am
bottom line: obama is a racist and a liar
Posted by: bob | April 8, 2008, 11:41 am 11:41 am
Obama and HRC have misquoted what McCain said. Anyone that knows McCain however knows that’s what he meant. All he knows is war. All he can do is fight. Yes, he does want to bomb Iran. Do you really think he is concerned with getting us out of Iraq? If McCain is elected we will still be in Iraq when he leaves office. He will not allow himself to be seen as a Johnson or Nixon. (i.e. pulling us out of war (Vietnam) without victory.) He will destroy the country first. PTSD with his hands on the button!
Posted by: Maccabees | April 8, 2008, 11:41 am 11:41 am
Like I did not watch the morning Joe episode. The fact was made clear McCain want to leave our troop there untill when they stop shooting at us for staying in their country. Maybe a 100 years. The truth is that our continued presence has foiled anti America sentiments.
Posted by: james | April 8, 2008, 11:42 am 11:42 am
It is true that McCain was one of the most reasonable Republicans using his voice at the beginning of this mess with Iraq. I remember because I saw him speak about the root causes of the terrorist situation and how Iraq wasn’t a key player at that time and that if we went in there, it would distract us from the real objective, and create more overall instability in the region. He talked about the Russian invasion of Afghanistan, Viet Nam,the other historical quagmires that have over time contributed to our current geopolitical situation with terrorism around the world. He talked about how not getting into wars you can’t win or finish for risk of greater threat or instability to ourselves, would always create more threat to you and instability in a region that will come back to haunt you. That if you do go into that situation we have to realize that there is no short term solution. The climate is based on the complications of several other nations surrounding them and choosing as Americans to do the long term hard work and not cut and run as soon as political gains here are sufficient or the leader is on their way out. This is why he felt the war front there would end up costing us to much financially, in the world political scene, and in the future of yet another generation destabilized further by our irresponsible behavior. He has seen it before and he was hoping we could focus on the real threat and dealing with it in a way that would not further destabilize the world political scene. I am a democrat and I was ready to vote for him. I think he should be heeded and listened to with a lead role in our offense/defense strategies, and to remind other politicians what commitment means if using critical thinking instead of your hello kitty day planner. However, I do not think McCain is capable of seeing this long road though. I think he should focus on slapping his peers around while working closely with the next generation of leaders I think the lesson he has to offer and that is so important would get lost if he were constricted by a presidency. I think the three of them should have to share the office, the leader of the three would be the winner of the popular vote, the vice would be the candidate with the second number of citizen votes regardless of party. Make them work together, McCain lead on military affairs, Clinton on education and health care and Obama as a common sense mediator between the two on all issues. Not on of them could veto without the other two and none could take military action without the other two. I think our country has outgrown one president and that we do not need an electoral college or parties.
Posted by: Bre | April 8, 2008, 11:44 am 11:44 am
I agree that Sen McCain’s comments are being taken out of context, but i would also like the record to stand the both democratic candidates are using this sound bite. In almost every debate and stump speech in which Sen Clinton discusses Iraq, she too discusses McCain’s quote. Is she above reproach in this?
As far as taking things out of context, even if McCain does not think we should be in a shooting war for 100 years, he certainly believes we should be in a shooting war until our vague benchmarks of victory are achieved. By suggesting we can have a 100 year occupancy or presence without invoking violence suggests a good amount of ignorance of the politics and culture of the area, and our own history of our involvement.
Posted by: Ian | April 8, 2008, 11:45 am 11:45 am
McCain said we could be in Iraq for 100 years. He never clarified it until he got called to the carpet on it. Obama took what he said literally. Now McCain realizes what he said was against popular opinion and wants to politically marginalize what he said to chalk up votes. However, he is a coward for not just clarifying his comments. McCain took the coward approach by blaming someone for repeating what he said. This is done to take the emphasis off of what he said. McCain you don’t fool me. You Goofed. Who wants to be in Iraq for even 100 years just sitting.
Posted by: mymindset | April 8, 2008, 11:46 am 11:46 am
If one invades a country in an unauthorised war, and caused thousands of fatalities through an illegal occupation for years, it does not matter whether its senator or journalist decides to call it a ‘war’ or not. To the invaded, an illegal invasion and continued presence for 100 years IS WAR. McCain can call it what he likes. It does not change the facts. No ‘twisting truths’ here. Call a spade a spade please.
Posted by: bringourtroopshome | April 8, 2008, 11:50 am 11:50 am
More ‘Distortion,’ ‘Rank Falsehood,’ ‘Seriously Misleading’ and ‘Outright Lying’ From Obama
This morning on the “Today” Show, Barack Obama claimied he never leveled the dishonest attack that John McCain supports a 100-year war in Iraq:MEREDITH VIEIRA: “Senator, both you and Senator Clinton have said Senator McCain favors 100 more years of war…
Posted by: CALIFORNIA YANKEE | April 8, 2008, 11:52 am 11:52 am
David,
And this is comming from a Hillary supporter?
Posted by: Das | April 8, 2008, 11:53 am 11:53 am
@ allen
NO.
McCain used those countries in the original exchange.
Obama did twist words.
Not a big surprise.
Posted by: John | April 8, 2008, 11:55 am 11:55 am
The greater truth here is that the US cannot sustain a long-term occupation of Iraq as it has done in Japan. Sen. Obama recognizes that no “unconditional surrender” is, or can be forthcoming in this “War on Terror” because there are no geographical constraints to bind the warring factions. Therefore, occupation equals continued warfare — that means a rising casualty list. Simple as that.
Posted by: H. Aslan Aslani-Far | April 8, 2008, 12:00 pm 12:00 pm
Kevin,
You are unusual for an Obama supporter because usually he hangs with the more Ivy league elite. From your language I can see that would not be you.
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Obama represents all the downtrodden!Even Kevin!
Obama represents all the Harvard elite too!
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Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | April 8, 2008, 12:00 pm 12:00 pm
When Obama was asked a hypothetical question during the MSNBC debate if he would reinvade Iraq if al qaeda went into Iraq after American troops left…he said “YES.”
Hillary’s answer….(the smart answer)…”TOO MANY IFs IN THAT QUESTION”
McCain charge: “Guess what? Al qaeda will reinvade, so let’s just end the original job instead of having to come back into Iraq.”
Posted by: John | April 8, 2008, 12:01 pm 12:01 pm
This is no different than Mrs. Obama’s quote that for the first time in her adult life she was proud…. (of the new found surge of interest in politics by the average American).
I guess when the shoe is on the other foot it hurts. Rest assured, the voters understood what Mr. McCain meant, and whether we substitute 100 years for 10 years, he still means that the troops will be there until America “wins” the war in Iraq. Now is that a distortion?
Posted by: Donna | April 8, 2008, 12:02 pm 12:02 pm
So according to Obama we are occupting Germany, Japan, France! and own the Phillipines because we have been there for over 100 years!
Barrack hussein Obama is a straight out liar!!
Posted by: spock | April 8, 2008, 12:02 pm 12:02 pm
Do John McCain or conservative republicans respect the moral foundation of this country? The U.S. Constitution was actually designed, among other things, to protect the people of America from misguided government.
U.S. Constitution: Amendment I – Freedom of Religion
Right now, for the first time ever, your tax dollars are funding religious groups you may not agree with. To add insult to injury, conservative judges have ruled that taxpayers do not have a right to challenge this expenditure.
Amendment IV – Search and seizure
Under the guise of court action against abortion, Conservative republicans had John Ashcroft subpoena all the medical records of literally thousands of women just like you and members of your family. Conservative republicans are invading your privacy every day. Unfortunately for all of us, they don’t appear to care about our U.S. constitution, or by extension, the people of our great country.
Amendment X – Powers of the States and People
John McCain and conservative republicans have tried consistently to overturn States Laws. They used your tax dollars to destroy the will of the people of Oregon, and the famous “Death with Dignity” law; they lost, but undoubtedly will try again. Conservative republicans and John McCain do not respect States Rights.
Amendment VIII – Cruel and Unusual punishment
Would you rather die, or support a government which supported and sanctioned torture? The founding fathers would rather have died, and in fact they were proud to fight and die for our government: A government which specifically outlaws cruel and unusual punishment for very important reasons.
I am one of millions of people that view this straying from our moral foundations as very bad news for our country. I urge you to keep this in mind in the coming election.
Posted by: True Patriot | April 8, 2008, 12:02 pm 12:02 pm
Mr Tapper,
This is where the 10000 years comment comes from , it wasn’t one the same tape
search “McCain: Americans Fine With Troops In Iraq For 10,000 Years”
but I agree that McCain doesn’t seriously think about being the for 10000 years
Posted by: Jimmy | April 8, 2008, 12:05 pm 12:05 pm
You’re absolutely wrong, Jake. Here’s the facts, from Hendrik Hertzberg, who was there when McCain made his 100 year gaffe, and he provides crucial context.
John McCain—who, solely because of the grievous blow to Romney, seems to have been almost as big a winner last night as Huckabee or Obama—flew here yesterday for an early evening “town meeting.” He was accompanied by his own personal Chuck Norris, Joseph I. Lieberman.
The setting was the nearby town of Derry, which looks like a Lionel Train layout, in a building called the Adams Memorial Opera House, which is not an opera house. It’s a cozy little auditorium with a curvy balcony that embraced the packed room like a pair of comforting arms. The stage was reserved for an overflow of supporters; McCain and his improbably blonde wife, Cindy (whom Lieberman Yiddishly referred to as “Sidney”), mounted a platform in the middle of the orchestra. It was political theatre in the round.
I hadn’t seen McCain campaigning up close since New Hampshire in 2000. There’s a lot less electricity now. Eight years on, the candidate is visibly past his prime, and he seemed tired. About every third sentence began with “By the way.” But there are still some sparks, and he took some shots, not by name but unmistakably, at his old nemesis George W. Bush.
Posted by: Tom | April 8, 2008, 12:05 pm 12:05 pm
Maybe truth twisting is catching up to Sen. Obama.
New SurveyUSA poll out of PA – Clinton up by 18.
Posted by: Kris | April 8, 2008, 12:05 pm 12:05 pm
Jake Tapper,
Good job in reporting, but risky for you. As you can see, many Obama supporters will immediately become hostile against the messenger as soon as they hear a defect pointed out about their new idol.
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It’s all Jake’s fault, right?
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Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | April 8, 2008, 12:05 pm 12:05 pm
Obama is a , , with no sense of patriotism. He’s such a lying who’s secretly wanting to .
Seriously… can we stop all the name calling and labeling and resort to more educated discussions on differences between Hillary and Obama.
I swear, its only been in the past month or so that supporters, particularly Clinton supporters, have just give up trying to explain why their candidate is better and have resorted to being incredibly insulting and demeaning against everyone who doesn’t agree with them.
I understand your frustration, and I understand that its hard to debate policy differences when they have the exact same voting record in Senate with the exception of just 1 vote. But please, don’t resort to this 9 year old “my dad is stronger than your dad” stuff.
Posted by: Mom | April 8, 2008, 12:06 pm 12:06 pm
Jake: “It’s beyond me why Obama would want to change the focus of this debate from McCain’s willingness to have troops in Iraq indefinitely to his misrepresentation of what McCain said.”
But not beyond me! Obama does NOT change the focus, on the contrary: he focuses on what a continued US presence in a divided Arab muslim country will mean till the end of times: war, attacks against Americans and a fueling of radical islamists’ hate of the USA.
McCain’s story is a soft-core fantasy about hardcore reality. Remember as well how Bin Laden as a Saudi became the terrorist monnster he is: his anger and hatred of Americans was fueled most and foreall by the continued American military presence on Saudi soil.
Obama is very much RIGHT on this and IMO he should attack McCain on this issue and the 100 years fanatsy even harder.
Posted by: henda | April 8, 2008, 12:07 pm 12:07 pm
I rather have a President whom is proud of his country; than a President whom gives Great Speeches”.
Posted by: norm | April 8, 2008, 12:10 pm 12:10 pm
Obama: A man school in the arts of duplicity and a practitioner of those arts.
Posted by: Steven | April 8, 2008, 12:11 pm 12:11 pm
STOP WORRYING!!!!
As soon as we stop using oil, we’ll be OUT of he whole Middle East!
And at the rate we’re using it, it’ll be a lot less than 100 years.
We’ll probably already have a viable alternative energy source in 50-60 years, though if you think that the war is expensive, wait until you find out how expensive conversion will be!!!
And wait until we start having serious energy rationing until then!!!!
Oh, den we all gon’ be cryin’ da blues!!!
I am rolling on the floor laughing, thinking about how all Americans think that the freedoms, rights, and the lifestyle we have shouldn’t cost much!!!!
The only one who can save America is: SURPRISE!!!!!!
EACH single one of us, taking individual responsibility for our actions, and,
conserving energy and resources just the way our grand- and great- grandparents did?
Only an idiot looks to politicians and government to solve anything.
When you hear someone say “Hi, I’m from the government, and I’m here to help,”
grab your wallet, your gun, and your family, and head for the hills.
BTW – yes I am a conservative Repub.
Posted by: fred | April 8, 2008, 12:11 pm 12:11 pm
Obama is twisting again just like he did last summer … in Iowa … promising farm subsidies which MAC opposes. We are really getting hosed by the big Agri-biz companies getting billions in tax dollars.
There is more to life on this planet than what is happening or not happening in Iraq.
Obama and Clinton are twisting the truth about what is happening in Colombia. If you know anything about the politics of South America – you will know there is a struggle between Hugo Chavez and his left wing goons in Bolivia and Ecuador and President Uribe of Colombia.
Both Obama and Clinton favor Chavez against Uribe.
Posted by: Lance | April 8, 2008, 12:12 pm 12:12 pm
Obama Supporters,
Pay attention to what Henda says. Henda doesn’t deny that Obama is twisting the truth, instead Henda spins off of it, and says go for it Obama!
The rest of you Obama supporters that are pointing the finger at Hillary, pointing the finger at Jake, denying what Obama has done, take heed. You are just being cynical and negative. Henda is being proactive and positive. You should consider Henda for Vice President. Henda doesn’t attack the messenger, Henda consumes the messenger’s words, and regurgitates it back to the rest of the little penguins. Good job Henda.
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Pay attention to Henda for Henda knows!
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BTW, thanks Lou.
Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | April 8, 2008, 12:13 pm 12:13 pm
Obama needs to be exposed for what he is. The mainstream media will not talk about this. Spread the word about this link.
Posted by: Roger Miller | April 8, 2008, 12:15 pm 12:15 pm
I am laughing so hard, because the media is doing all they can to say that the independents and the republicans will vote for Obama in the remaining primaries.
We all know that Obama may get some Independents, but Republicans, what a joke.
Like A Republican will lean all the way to the left(as far to the left that you could go with Obama), and not lean towards Hillary whom is more in the middle as the Republicans would vote.
More information from the Democratic controlled media, trying to persuade voters to vote for Obama in the remaining primaries.
Posted by: stella | April 8, 2008, 12:15 pm 12:15 pm
I think anybody who was in that room on that day would get the impression that Senator MCain wants American soldiers to continue their presence in Iraq indefinitely especially the guy who asked the question.
And what are we talking about here? Are you suggesting that American soldiers are not fighting a war now in Iraq; that they are just staying there and having a good time like soldiers in Korea? Tell that to the families of soldiers who hears on the news that another american soldier has just been killed.
Senator McCain is trying to have it both ways and you are helping him. How can he say that Americans will stay there for 100 years as long as they are not being injured or killed. That’s hilharious. Well Senator McCain, they are being injured and killed month after month over a war that should have never been authorized.save the lives of these brave men and get them out!
Posted by: Philip | April 8, 2008, 12:15 pm 12:15 pm
I can’t believe how people will quibble over the smallest of things but leave the big issues untouched.
McCain may have seemed rational a few years ago but not now. Sorry, I know PTSD and Alzheimers when I see it. It would be disastrous to elect this man.
Further, who cares if he said leave the troops there for 100 years or continue the war 100 years. Both are asinine proposals. A simple gauge and a simple question to ask any of the candidates about continuing this debacle: If this war were being waged in a country without a huge oil reserve would we still be involved? Doesn’t anybody else see why we have let Afghanistan go basically unchecked? This isn’t rocket science, folks. Bush, Cheney, McCain, Clinton and probably Obama want the oil. They are just too cowardly to admit it. They want total control, end of story.
I agree. This editorial was worthless. MSM is so far up the ass of McCain, it would be laughable if not for the fact it is so frightening.
Posted by: teresa Smith | April 8, 2008, 12:17 pm 12:17 pm
Does McCain even know that a large majority of Iraqis want the Americans to get out?
Does McCain realize that this war will alredy last longer than the World Wars did?
Has McCain been paying any attention to what the prolonged Chechen War has meant for Russia?
I’m afraid McCain’s ideology is Simplism. I want Obama and Clinton to verbally attack him as strong as possible, for the man would mean disaster for our country would he become President.
Posted by: Greta | April 8, 2008, 12:18 pm 12:18 pm
Phillip,
The problem with your analysis is this — Obama has already publicly stated, recorded in video clips, that he knows that McCain was not speaking about 100 years of active war, but a post-war presence. He can’t backtrack on his own analysis, or can he? Maybe he was a Newman fan during the Seinfeld years.
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Maybe Obama is like Newman!
Hello, Hillary! Goodbye Newman!
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Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | April 8, 2008, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm
WCM,
How dare you compare Newman to Obama? Newman works on some days when it doesn’t rain and delivers almost 50% mail.
Obama, he only hates America 45% of the time.
Posted by: Roger Miller | April 8, 2008, 12:24 pm 12:24 pm
Al,
The article today is about Obama getting busted with his distortions. Can we talk about that? You folks are busting Hillary’s chops non-stop. Could you at least hold on to the imaginary defects until there has been some due diligence around it?
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Obama did it, it must be Hillary’s fault!
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Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | April 8, 2008, 12:24 pm 12:24 pm
No one bends the truth like Obama. When he does it about Hillary, the media conveniently ignores his remarks, but when he twists McCain’s words, suddenly, there’s a problem. Obama lost his credibility long before he began to embellish McCain’s positions, he lost it when he lied about Rezko, NAFTA, Rev. Wright, Exelon, his associations with lobbyists, and about virtually everything else that suits his political purposes.
Hillary or McCain ’08
Posted by: PA in NY | April 8, 2008, 12:25 pm 12:25 pm
I think you are splitting hair and you are not talking about a real issue. I think you would have contributed to a real debate if you had focused on the essence of the matter, instead of writing about minor distortion on form. The essence, to me, is occupation of the country for 100 or more years would likely be a source of continued war, judging by how things have gone in Iraq. Given what the reason was to go to war and how things turned out to be, it is not responsible to suggest occupying the country up to 100 years. So if you really want talk about the real issue, ask people to debate this question: “Given the Iraq situation, what does it mean to you when a presidential candidate suggests that US military would be present in Iraq for up to 100 or more years as far as there are no casualties?”
Posted by: gobo | April 8, 2008, 12:25 pm 12:25 pm
The essence is “Obama says and does anything to win a election. A phony”. Get it?
Posted by: Roger Miller | April 8, 2008, 12:27 pm 12:27 pm
Roger Miller,
Good point, and there you go with that math thing again. Obama supporters are quick to point out that Obama excels when looking at the campaign math threw the eyes of an Obama supporter. I did notice that the guy bowled a 37, which is not bad for a Harvard elite.
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Obama bowls a 37.
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Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | April 8, 2008, 12:28 pm 12:28 pm
The sad reality of Americans:
they are discussing, with the war going on, if there might be a twist of words in an attack on McCain -
instead of discussing the WAR that is ruining American lives, American economy, American national security and the American reputation in the world.
And in the meantime, it is destroying Iraq and any sense of order in the Arab world.
A war whose most prominent cheerleader now is John McCain.
But the MSM is writing lengthy articles about some radio host who calls McCain a ‘war monger’ for being a cheerleader of an illegal and disastrous war…
And people here attack Obama instead of the man who wants to make our total disaster even greater…
AMERICA, WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU !?!?!
Posted by: hank | April 8, 2008, 12:31 pm 12:31 pm
That’s right. He bowls a “37″ because he wants to impress the hard working PA voters. A phony. Don’t try to be something you are not.
Being a Harvard elite is not a bad thing. My problem is with the elites who think like communists.
I said it first here that “Harvard is over rated any way. It seems Harvard folks are either not too smart or down right diabolocal based on the arguments they put forward”.
Posted by: Roger Miller | April 8, 2008, 12:35 pm 12:35 pm
American voters will choose between two candidates this election year.
One inspires hope for a brighter, better tomorrow. His rhetoric makes us feel we are, indeed,one nation indivisible-indivisible by ideology or religion, indivisible by race or creed. It is rhetoric of hope and change and possibility. It’s inspiring. This candidate can make you just plain feel good to be American.
The other candidate by “CONTRAST” is one of the Senate’s fiercest partisans. This senator reflexively sides with the party’s extreme wing. There is no record of working with the other side of the aisle. NONE. It’s basically been my way or the highway, combined with a sanctimoniousness that breeds contempt among those on the other side of any issue.
Which of these two candidates should be our next president? The choice is clear, right?
WRONG, because they’re both the same man-Barack Obama.
The nonpartisan National Journal for example, recently rated Obama the Senate’s most liberal member. That’s besting some tough competition from orthodox liberals as Ted Kennedy and Barbara Boxer.
Who would oppose the Born Alive Infant Protection Act (BAIPA BILL), that said you couldn’t kill a baby who was born, during a partial-birth abortion? Not Ted Kennedy, Not Barbara Boxer, not HILLARY CLINTON. Not even the hardcore National Abortion Rights Action League (NARAL). Obama, however, is another story. The year after the Born Alive Infants Protection Act became a federal law in 2002, identical language was considered in a committee of the Illinois Senate. It was defeated with the committee’s chairman, Barack Obama, leading the opposition.
Posted by: stella | April 8, 2008, 12:37 pm 12:37 pm
McCain is a war monger and will drag the country in to another war, this time with Iran. Foll me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me!
Posted by: USA FIRST | April 8, 2008, 12:38 pm 12:38 pm
Barak should continue to expose the true intention of McCain… No more stupid war…No more sacrificing American lives and treasure …no more deception.
I am confident that only Barak will use smart diplomacy before resorting to war.
Posted by: Joe11 | April 8, 2008, 12:42 pm 12:42 pm
stella, how would you explain that Obama is more popular among his fellow senators than Clinton is?
He has a clear lead in endorsements from Dem Senators over Clinton.
Plus, you are clearly lying about ‘no record of working with the other side of the aisle’, or you’re simply writing about something you in reality know nothing about. One look at Obama’s work on the important Ethics Reform Bill (that passed) might learn you something.
Posted by: ken | April 8, 2008, 12:46 pm 12:46 pm
It is not McCain’s war. It is Bush’s war.
Hillary will win the war quickly and remove troops asap.
Barack Obama is a phony and he doesn’t really mean what he says. Unless, he means to say something different. In which case, that is not what he said. Therefore, he didn’t really say what he is being accused of because that is not what he meant when he said it. He was clearly saying something else.
Of course, I mean what I say when I say “Obama is a phony”.
Posted by: Roger Miller | April 8, 2008, 12:48 pm 12:48 pm
What about the twisting of the truth from John McCain with regards his rescue in Vietnam and then the way he was treated in capture, but then it may have not sounded as good for the book!
Hillary and LIES the latest one with the story of the death of a 35 year old woman to push her Health Care Plans is nothing less than Disgusting!
Posted by: John B Sheffield | April 8, 2008, 12:50 pm 12:50 pm
Mike in Tampa FL:
In addition to the fact that Obama did not actually have a vote in 2002, he has since made comments that he doesn’t know how he would have voted if he had been a senator at the time.
Posted by: cappamore | April 8, 2008, 12:50 pm 12:50 pm
What will Truth say to Obama when they meet?
Truth will say “Hello Stranger”
Posted by: Roger Miller | April 8, 2008, 12:51 pm 12:51 pm
People or so scared of this debate between Mccain and Obama. I mean if Obama repeats what John Mccain said on the stump then let him. I mean be honest with yourself Mccain did say we can be there another 100 years, if he didn’t want it repeated why say it?
It’s so funny how Mccain or Clinton can say anything they want but Obama can’t.
Obama’s word or turned around all the time. This is not name calling or mud slinging. It’s Politics
Posted by: Nacola | April 8, 2008, 12:52 pm 12:52 pm
Ken – “might learn you something”??? Yeah, I reckon I might learn me somethin’ too. Like how to spot a snake oil salesman. No, I already learned me that. Obama
Posted by: notasheep | April 8, 2008, 12:54 pm 12:54 pm
People should be scared of Obama. He is another George W. Bush with a liberal paint on his face.
Posted by: Roger Miller | April 8, 2008, 12:55 pm 12:55 pm
I personally do not see any distortion at all. McCain seems to be perfectly content to leave troops in Iraq “for as long as it takes”. Does that mean, 5 years, 100 years, or a thousand years? Iraq was and continues to be a mistake. Why continue the mistake “for as long as it takes”? At what cost? I admire McCain and believe he is good man but his stance on Iraq is what will lose the election for him. I cannot vote someone who wishes to continue the Iraq mistake indefinitely.
Posted by: indy_voter | April 8, 2008, 12:56 pm 12:56 pm
I thought being Rich and Powerful made you an elite. I had no idea it just took a good education. I never thought I would see the day when a guy who just paid off his student loans would be considered an ELITE. And for all those crying about John McPain’s 100 year comment- He said we could stay 100 years. Guess what people, soldiers are dying now. They will be dying next month. They will be dying for years to come. If we are there for 100 years, soldiers will be getting killed for 100 years. John McCain still thinks like a soldier. He wants to kill until he can kill no more. He still wanted us to fight Vietnam. We don’t need a soldier, we need a President. So far, Obama is the best person for the job.
Posted by: xo | April 8, 2008, 12:58 pm 12:58 pm
What will Obama do about Iraq war? He doesn’t know. He will appoint a task force and let them deliberate on C-Span till the next election. You see he wants to do things in the open like deliberating, cleaning his nose etc., so his supporters can applaud.
Posted by: Roger Miller | April 8, 2008, 1:00 pm 1:00 pm
all you need to do is remember McCain singing ‘bomb bomb bomb Iran’ and you get a very clear picture of his cavalier attitude about war. Not Presidential and embarassing. I wonder what other world leaders think about his song.
Posted by: bernadette | April 8, 2008, 1:01 pm 1:01 pm
Unity, Change, and leadership we can be proud of. Vote for the smartest person in the race.
Vote Obama!
Posted by: Patriot1 | April 8, 2008, 1:02 pm 1:02 pm
So, Obama supporters agree that Obama will not attack Iran even if Iran starts supporting terrorists, gives them nuclear fuel, nuclear bomb blue prints, supports Al Qaeda in Iraq, funds terrorist groups in U.S.A.
That’s what we have been saying. He is a America-hating liberal.
Posted by: Roger Miller | April 8, 2008, 1:03 pm 1:03 pm
Obama continues to defend his false and misleading statement because the MSM does not push back on him when he is wrong or take him to task when he runs the kind of dirty campaign he says the others are running.
He is a slick Chicago style take no prisoners politician and if he gets the nomination, McCain and the republicans will turn him into ribbons.
Posted by: beebop | April 8, 2008, 1:05 pm 1:05 pm
indy_voter
When do you suppose Clinton’s troops still in Bosnia will come home?
Posted by: S | April 8, 2008, 1:05 pm 1:05 pm
Here is something that matters, folks, and that tells us everything IMO we need to know about John McCain:
HE CONFUSED SHIITES AND SUNNIS AGAIN during today’s Senate Armed Services hearing! Incredible but true.
So yes, he’s worse and more laughable than Bush ALREADY.
Plus, therefore, more dangerous to our national interests and security.
Posted by: hencken | April 8, 2008, 1:09 pm 1:09 pm
This country would be better off with a stupid old patriotic pre-alzheimer’s warmongering white man than an intelligent young “blame america for everything” race-baiting socialist who believes the only way to make this country great is by the government confiscating every dollar we earn.
Posted by: Obama\Osama '08 | April 8, 2008, 1:15 pm 1:15 pm
Ken:
I want to be clear about what Obama did! as you probably know from my previous post, I am Pro-life.
Once in 2003, and twice before that, he effectively voted for infantcide. He voted to allow doctors to deny medically appropriate treatment or, worse yet, actively kill a completely living baby. Infanticide-I wonder if he’ll add this to the list of changes in his next victory speech and if the crowd will roar: “Yes We Can”!
Even Ted Kennedy, Barbara Boxer, Hillary Clilnton, etc. did not oppose the BAIPA bill to save late-term babies born alive to be killed. Only, Obama was opposed to it.
John McCain’s campaign and conservative pundits have listed the numerous times in Obama’s short Senate career where he sided with the extremes in his party against broadly supported compromises on issues as:
Immigration
Ethics Reform
Terrorist Surveillance
War Funding
Fighting on the fringe with a handful of liberals is one thing, but consider his position on an issue that passed both houses of Congress unanimously in 2002….the BAIPA Bill (Born Alive Infant Protection Act)
Just remeber Obama’s own words:
I don’t want my daughters to be punished with a BABY!!!!!
Posted by: stella | April 8, 2008, 1:25 pm 1:25 pm
Axelrod should really be the one running instead of Obama…..he’s the one pulling Obama’s strings….oh but Obama has more Foreign Affairs experience…. Pakistan during college years, Indonesia during his elementary school years, ….. oh yeah … I see the next President of the United States….
Hillary Clinton!
Posted by: carpenter.nyc | April 8, 2008, 1:29 pm 1:29 pm
Mike in Tampa, FL and all other think you know Obama’s Irq stance.
There is recent NPR talk about how Obama used the 2002 speech to support his anti-war position. In fact, per NPR, that speech was not made when he was running office, so there was no such so-called “high-stake” involved. Also, the speech was not even reported by any reporter covering the event that day. There is not even a recording of that speech left. The obama people went to the extent to re-make the speech and even adding the background applauding sound effects. (Please check NPR to verify)
NYT also recently reported on Obama’s Iraq stance. He voted everything exactly as Clinton did, against troop withdraw and continue funded the war. He DID NOT openly do anything against the war after he started running for president.
The biggest problem I have with him is he only has his words but no actions at all to suppor his words. And when his actions are getting examined, you get to see complete hypocricy. Actions don’t match up with his words. There is a long list of irony in Obama:
1. He claims he is a clean different politics, but his own evolution, associated with Rezko, Emil Jones, and other shady people is completely the opposite
2. He claims he can unite people, but his willingness to in a black racist church, his only contribution from his tax returns to the black-related cause, and his unwillingness even now to confront Wright’s stance says other things.
3. He claims he cares about people. Why 11 Rezko’s badly constructed low-income projects happened to be his own chicago district? How could he claim he did not know how terrible the living conditions were for those people living there? Just do a little bit online search you will see a lot of things he did in Chicago is not so goo.
The list can go on. My suggestion to all Obama supporters is “don’t confuse words with actions”!
Posted by: AMy | April 8, 2008, 1:30 pm 1:30 pm
Obama has spent his entire time as a Senator—running for President! If he can’t do his Senate job—he surely can’t lead our country. Obama has told so many lies that he is not credible.
does he realy know what is responsibilility?
Posted by: collins | April 8, 2008, 1:34 pm 1:34 pm
wake up!
she can not manage her campaign.
She never managed Anything.
It is Baby talking to make president from Hillary.
Let’s become adults and think.
Posted by: Linda,Fl | April 8, 2008, 1:37 pm 1:37 pm
Obama’s whole campaign started in earnest by calling Senator Clinton a racist and a liar….General charges fed by perceptions not facts.
Obama’s campaign will continue to use this winning combination of denial and hypocrisy. The media loves it, because they get to play a part in the game.
I am concerned though that Obama’s lies about Wright, Rezco, gun control, sex education and his shift on Iraq are not even really pointed out. When the story seems to be which hospital a deceased unnamed woman that Clinton mentioned rather than Obama’s blatant lies about his gun control and abortion stands (in his own writing)….it gets scary.
Posted by: Jackie | April 8, 2008, 1:42 pm 1:42 pm
If he says something that is not true or a half-true it should not be overlooked. He should be scrutinized the same as Clinton and Mccain. I can’t believe the double standard, the media should be ashamed of the way they have covered this presidential season.
Posted by: Tina D | April 8, 2008, 2:03 pm 2:03 pm
WestCoastMessanger, are you now defending McCain/McNasty against a fellow democrat? what a shame, Hill the Bosnian General has tried that and failed miserably. McCain/McNasty said it 100 years in Irak, he would like to become the Governor of Bagdag living in one of Sadam’s palaces. That could be a good place for him. God bless America and God bless Obama.OBAMA08.
Posted by: BKMC | April 8, 2008, 2:05 pm 2:05 pm
“This country would be better off with a stupid old patriotic pre-alzheimer’s warmongering white man than an intelligent young “blame america for everything” race-baiting socialist who believes the only way to make this country great is by the government confiscating every dollar we earn.”
- Government is already wasting our tax dollars, so nice try. Amazes me the breadth of ignorance among American voters.-
Posted by: bubba | April 8, 2008, 2:08 pm 2:08 pm
S, Unlink Iraq troops in Bosnia are part of a NATO deployment. Once NATO leaves Bosnia so should the U.S.
Posted by: indy_voter | April 8, 2008, 2:41 pm 2:41 pm
McCain actually did support a prolonged war. He has said recently he only meant an established base, but during primaries he was very clear that a 100 (“or even 1000″) year war was fine.
Posted by: Nathan Clark | April 8, 2008, 2:45 pm 2:45 pm
Can anyone expect that troops can be in any country where the people don’t want them for a hundred years, or even for one year, and not have a state of war exist? Being there means war. End of story.
Posted by: jim | April 8, 2008, 2:52 pm 2:52 pm
“This country would be better off with a stupid old patriotic pre-alzheimer’s warmongering white man than an intelligent young “blame america for everything” race-baiting socialist who believes the only way to make this country great is by the government confiscating every dollar we earn.” – Obama\Osama ’08
– LOL how incredibly clever, witty and insightful.
Posted by: Joe | April 8, 2008, 3:01 pm 3:01 pm
Obama stated he would bomb Pakistan with or without their permission. Maybe he won’t keep us in Iraq for 100 years. Does he have an estimate on how long we’ll be fighting in Pakistan.
Posted by: sitting1 | April 8, 2008, 3:14 pm 3:14 pm
Bubba:
I agree with you. Stella’s posts are some of the best posts I have yet to read on this site.
They sure open up your eyes to Obama.
Posted by: norm | April 8, 2008, 3:23 pm 3:23 pm
I’m an ardent Clinton supporter but as far as Iraq is concerned, I think that McCain has the best opportunity to resolve the mess we’re in in Iraq – kind of like Nixon going to China back in the early 1970′s.
Many believe it would have been years before a Democratic president would have been able to accomplish such an opening.
Obama has no credibility where Iraq is concerned – and he has no business smearing Sen. McCain.
With all that, Hillary Clinton is still the best all-around candidate. Go Hillary!!!!
Posted by: morningside | April 8, 2008, 3:47 pm 3:47 pm
McBush … just another 4 years of war / lies / kissing up to big business, and special interest groups. “Your doing a heck of a job Brownie” and let’s not forget “Mission Accomplished”
Posted by: Bryn eltringham | April 8, 2008, 3:51 pm 3:51 pm
Morningside:
What credibility does Hillary have in regards to Iraq? I’m still waiting for substantive arguments from a Clinton supporter.
Posted by: bubba | April 8, 2008, 3:53 pm 3:53 pm
Obama has a lot of experience twisting the truth about twisting the truth. Not to change the subject, but it was the same thing he did on the Rezko issue. For 16 months he lied about it in various forms, then had to twist some more when he finally met with the Tribune board.
Posted by: cappamore | April 8, 2008, 3:58 pm 3:58 pm
ken its simple, he is running as a black candidate and media, superdelegates are hestitant to mention that fact, otherwise they are considered to be racist. Go Hilliary 08 or McCain08.
Posted by: Diane | April 8, 2008, 4:26 pm 4:26 pm
re: Sitting1
When I get my next bill for the war, I will send it to you!!!
Posted by: BillForObama | April 8, 2008, 5:23 pm 5:23 pm
where has michelle o. been?????
Posted by: pp | April 8, 2008, 5:41 pm 5:41 pm
PP, I think she is locked up until Nov.
Posted by: Ken FL | April 8, 2008, 6:13 pm 6:13 pm
Senator Obama’s arrogance about foreign policy os only matched by his cluelessness.
Posted by: Annagain | April 8, 2008, 7:01 pm 7:01 pm
Senator Obama’s arrogance about foreign policy is only matched by his cluelessness.
Posted by: Annagain | April 8, 2008, 7:01 pm 7:01 pm
There are only 2 kinds of republicans. Rich ones and suckers.
Posted by: wirehedd | April 8, 2008, 7:11 pm 7:11 pm
Of course Obama twisted McCain words. Obama is a politician. No big surprise to anyone but his hard-core supporters who cannot fathom that their Savior would ever say anything but the whole truth.
The more things “change”, the more they stay the same.
Posted by: MIT | April 8, 2008, 7:12 pm 7:12 pm
All politicians seem to embellish facts. I think you have to look at who does it in a way that is most harmful to the American people. I am concerned about Obama’s many links to people of questionable background. They are always brushed off as “acquaintances” but it seems to suggest a pattern of poor character judgement.
Posted by: Judy | April 8, 2008, 10:34 pm 10:34 pm
Gee…do you think Obama will twist the truth when he is in the White House? I wonder who can twist it the best…George or Barack?
Posted by: mpwdc | April 9, 2008, 2:51 am 2:51 am
Look here, everyone.
The much larger issue than parsing words over Obama’s interpretation of McCain’s 100 year comment, in which many here believe he interpreted correctly, by the way, is which president candidate will use common sense and keep America out of future Vietnams and future Iraqs.
McCain has demonstrated in action and words little except that he would carry on the same mistaken shoot-first-ask questions-and plan-later, military-action-before level-headed- diplomacy policies of the failed Bush Administration. Do we want four more years of failure?
Do we want to continue four more years of a no-end-in-sight, black hole war sucking away our economy, our best young men and women, our credibility and security overseas?
The choice between McCain and Obama is clear. Obama for president!
Posted by: Ron125 | April 9, 2008, 8:09 am 8:09 am
If the shoe was reversed … oh wait, McCain hasn’t distorted anything Obama has said for political advantage …
McCain may not be as conservative as some would like and he may be willing to finish the fight in Iraq that others claim is a lost cause but does anyone think he would lie to win ?
Apparently Obama will do anything to win and lying about your opponent or allowign your suppoters to smear him is fine with him …
This is a big con job …
Obama claims to be a moderate, but…
Would a Moderate man go to that church ?
Would a moderate man marry someone who is obviously not moderate ?
Would a Moderate man NEVER cast a moderate vote in his entire political career ?
No to all 3 … so why does Obama claim to be what he clearly is not ? Because it won’t win this election, so he lies to everyone, everyday …
Posted by: Jeff | April 9, 2008, 8:10 am 8:10 am
Thank you for telling the truth, unlike most people in the media who want us to believe Obama is the Messiah
Posted by: MSG | April 9, 2008, 9:52 am 9:52 am
Why should anyone thank you?
Mccain has gotten a pass from the press. He wants to stay in Iraq indefinitely with an ambiguous open ended goal. 100 years if there are no US causalities? What does that even mean? So if there are US causalities after 5,10, 15 years then what? US soldiers causalities seems to be irrelevant to the conversation. He wants a continued presence in Iraq so that he can have leverage over Iran. One can obviously interpret this from his continued hawkish stance on the middle east. So Obama is correct. Mccain wants to stay in Iraq indefinitely and instead of just openly admitting it, you play this word parsing game, of Mccain’s double speak that isn’t specific enough to be critical of Obama.
The problem is a continued acceptance of vague rhetoric that has been occurring for 8 years. At what point do you make them accountable. All the predictions of how this war would turn out have been wrong. It is up to you (THE PRESS) to grill Mccain on what he means, not attack Obama who simply looks at Mccain’s history and comes to a logical conclusion as to his intent.
Posted by: FEDupwithNeocons | April 9, 2008, 11:04 am 11:04 am
Hillary suppporter calling somebody a liar?
I think I just giggled a little.
Posted by: FEDupwithNeocons | April 9, 2008, 11:06 am 11:06 am
Obama is a Pied Piper. He is going after the high schools, (our children) with his melodic speeches and promises. Where do you suppose he is leading them, and what will it take for us to get them back? His mezmerizing tone and slow, deliberate speech pattern makes it possible for him to get away with lying openly, saying he didn’t, and the fools who follow him just believe.
Posted by: RMJ | April 9, 2008, 4:03 pm 4:03 pm
I can kind’ve understand how you might twist things yourself to suggest Obama is twisting the truth on this issue. You want to be an equal opportunity sandbagger: clearly able to call out both sides. But this sort of faux balance is phony.
Because McCain clearly said he was happy to be in Iraq for however long. He also said the public weren’t concerned about US troops being there, but about casualties. What he didn’t say- what he won’t say, because he knows how it’ll wash- is what his plan is to acheive no casaulties in Iraq.
Because his plan is simply to keep troops fighting there. However long it takes. Until there are no more casaulties, or no US troops left, or hell freezes over. You take your pick. I can’t work out which one is more likely to come first.
Posted by: rob stowell | May 12, 2008, 11:57 pm 11:57 pm
McCain wants to stay in Iraq until American soldiers are no longer being killed. That could very well take 100 years… “perhaps 100 years of war,” as Obama put it.
And then, once peace is finally achieved in Iraq, we’ll say for 100 years more.
Nice.
It’s really hard to criticize anyone for jumping all over McCain’s insane Iraq policy.
Posted by: Erik | May 13, 2008, 12:10 pm 12:10 pm