Obama: Hillary Throwing “the China” at Me

I guess Sen. Clinton though she had thrown out everything in her kitchen, Sen. Obama just threw out the remaining items she left behind. Go Dems.

“Throw the China”? Controversial?
Kind of reminiscent of when Obama called Clinton “silly”, was back when. If it weren’t for misogyny, this guy wouldn’t HAVE a campaign.

I just watched a replay of the ABC Democratic Debate Clinton vs Obama and I was struck by the obvious negative and pandering tone by Stephanopolus & Gibson. Both “moderators” seemed to be only interested in the sensationalistic “gaffs” wasting 30 to 40+ minutes on the negative silly issues. Both moderators questions avoided the serious issues that face our nation like energy, health care, the failing economy until the end. Shame on you ABC news you just lost my vote for the evening news!

Rezko, Wright and Ayres, at least, aren’t “distractions”. If the Democratic “leadership” anoints this fraud, it’s going to be up to Democrats, via third parties and alternate candidates, to defeat him.

I agree with kid oakland. We got real problems and journalists are more interested in scoring points. Media should take blame for fueling negative campaigns as mush as candidates themselves poring over trivial scandals. Kitchen sink strategy works thanks to media. Real tough questions in a debate should be about how candidates who pledged to withdraw from Iraq will address the chaos that may follow, not Bill Ayers. What’s so tough about Bill Ayers question anyway?

Jake, you are forgetting the context, remember that Hill has strated it and has pushed the distraction as much as possible during the last ABC debate. That is the reality. How many Rezkos, How many Ayers and how many Wright the Clintons have in their closets. It is real to move forward and try to answer to real needs of real people. The situation in Afganistan and Irak are worsening, the dollar is no more the money for international exchanges, people are losing their houses, and the economic recession is here and Americans are losing their jobs because Bill and Hill are shipping them elsewhere including to Colombia and gaining 800 000 for that job well done. Hill the Bosnian General has lost credibility and Generals are saying so loud and clear. The point is that American soldiers died in Bosnia and Hill was on comdy nights trying to laugh at that situation. That is real Hill, she does not care about anybody. God bless America and God bless Obama.OBAMA08.

Why Obama thinks he has the right to attack Hillary Clinton on personal issues, attack a Democratic President, the rural Americans, but then he plays offended if that is done to him? Why can he question anybody’s connecions, but he does not want to talk about his? Why does Obama does not show any passion about the USA or Americans?, Why doesn’t Obama explain why his wife also looks down on Americans?

How about just China since he displayed such a staggering lack of ecomonic knowledge last week.
Just China is enough. Obama is unelectable, and doesn’t know enough or have enough experience to do the job.
Just China.

He is so hypocritical. He says one thing and his campaign does another completely. His campaign has been SO negative about Clinton and trying to tear her down. They have been trying to push Bosnia and were at the forefront of trying to paint her as a racist which is so wrong. They should be ashamed.
Obama has shown himself to be nothing more than a standard politician who will say what they want people to believe.
Why is no one calling out Obama’s hypocrisy?? The media seems like an extension of Obama’s campaign – they just keep pushing their talking points.

THE CLAIM: Obama is a uniter.
THE REALITY: Obama is a deceitful person who prefers personal attacks to matters of substance.

Why are we a country at war in Iraq?
Because of a President who has no problems with lying to the American people. Lying about Saddam’s WMD’s, lying about Iraq’s ties to Al Qaeda at the time.
Do we want or need another President who feels comfortable telling lies to us?
No.
BARACK OBAMA FOR PRESIDENT !

James Danley
And Obama hasn’t lied? Get real! He makes Bush and Nixon look like saints!

Ten million people saw Obama try to defend his patriotism.
Ten million saw him try to explain why he hangs out with terrorist and people that hate America.
They saw Obama fall apart under pressure even on policy issues.
They saw Hillary explain/apologize for Bosnia story.
No one needed to questioned her patriotism or love of this country.

Kika, we are at war with Iraq because Saddam Hussein lied. He wanted his neighbors to believe he had WMDs. And in doing so, he refused to admit to the UN Security Council that he no longer had WMDs. The UN Security Council decided that 12 years of Saddam Hussein refusing to comply with the conditions of the 1991 cease fire was long enough. BUT when the UN Security Council refused to follow through on its “final ultimatum,” President Bush stepped in.
Now as for the ties between Iraq and al Qaeda, President Bush, nor anyone in his administration, ever said that Iraq had anything to do with the attacks of 9/11. BUT, at least six months prior to our invading Iraq, al Qaeda had a training camp in northern Iraq. That is a fact!

The more American realize that Hillary Clintion indeed is a “congenital liar”, the better.
Now let’s hope the Pennsylvanians will get the message.
In the Zogby tracking poll for PA she is 2 points down again today. Yesterday +5, today +3.
May Godd bless Barack Obama, may God bless the USA!

Why should what Obama’s saying seem contradictory to you, Mr. Tapper? Of course, the slash and burn,flame-throwing strategies of the Clintons are distractions. Of course, much of what the campaign has come to be about is trivial. But what do you expect him to do? Fight with both hands tied behind his back???!!!
Adrian Millet

James,
I think Obama is electable, if all the Hillary Clinton supporters and the Dem-leaning Independents get behind him. Hillary is correct.
However, that is never going to happen!!

It time some of you really start to think about Obama and that Capital Gains Tax cuts increases revenue, he has no idea what he is speaking about, and it showed when he was called on it.
He can dance all he wants on the kitchen sink talk, but he is a doo doo on the economy and will make a mess of things, that is a real issue and his views on this should be explored, he has not idea how to fix this economy.
That alone makes him unelectable, if his idea is to raise taxes that will affect everyone then he better take a long rest from this campaign.

Actually, Clinton’s Bosnia sniper-fire problem – IS NOT THE SAME THING as the other distractions – and here is why:
Clinton’s main argument that she is the better candidate is predicated on her experience, yet when she gives an example of relevent experience – the Bosnia trip – it turns out to be patently false. Also, it goes directly to her honesty and trustworthiness – we don’t want another Bush. These things are a big deal! They go directly to her qualifications and Obama is correct to emphasize it.
By Contrast -
The Flagpin is a distraction that no thinking person could argue goes to Obama’s qualifications or ability to govern.
The Wright Controversy and the Ayers (tenuous at best) connection also do NOT go to his ability to govern. One could argue that this shows a flaw in his judgment – BUT he has never acted in accordance with ANY of the most vile things these two individuals have said or done. So the judgment argument is moot and continued coverage of this IS a distraction.
The only ONE of these issues that even merit coverage is “bittergate” and that is pushing it – his comments did not bring into question ANY of his qualifications to be President. But, to be fair, this may be arguable – so I guess there is some merit in coverage of this.

Hillary has ALWAYS been a liar. The only danger in this campaign was that all of her acting as an honorable woman and politician might have made Americans forget about all that. That’s why the Tuzla lie has been THE crucial event in the primaries. Not a distraction, no.
Let’s remember about Hillary. Here’s a CNN report of January 14, 1996:
“In recent days, Mrs. Clinton has been criticized by those who question her account of her role in two matters under investigation: one involving the Whitewater land development deal and the other involving the 1993 firings at the White House travel office.
Mrs. Clinton embarked on a campaign last week to address questions raised by her critics, through a series of radio and newspaper interviews, but the efforts seem to have inspired a new round of reproach.
New York Times columnist William Safire on Sunday defended his calling Mrs. Clinton a “congenital liar,” in an essay that sparked the ire of the White House.
Another New York Times columnist, Maureen Dowd, wrote a piece published Sunday harshly criticizing Mrs. Clinton for her “secrecy and righteousness.”
Also Sunday, The Los Angeles Times declined to amend its account of an interview with Mrs. Clinton despite objections from a White House lawyer who said the paper misstated the first lady’s position on some points, including her feelings on a possible appearance before the Senate Whitewater Committee.
Neither have Mrs. Clinton’s media appearances served to mute investigations into her dealings with Whitewater and the White House travel office.
Senate Republicans announced Sunday they would continue to pursue White House E-mail in their ongoing Whitewater investigation which has taken a close look at Mrs. Clinton’s role in the matter. A member of the Senate Whitewater Committee, Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, said the committee has not yet decided whether it will be necessary to subpoena the first lady.”
WHO would want such painful events to be repeated in and around our White House again?
Folks, it really is no wonder that the DNC will never favor the idea of Hillary Clinton becoming our next President. Nor does the majority of the American people, for that matter.

As for HRC, no one needs a person who is not credible, to much deceit, and what about those donors for the Clinton Library, who funded this? What are they not revealing? The Clinton’s set a double standard it’s okay for her, but not for Barack? She is not a fighter, only for their own personal gain, but not for the American public.What about Bill Clinton’s China trade deal? What about Peppermint Patty Co. those jobs are leaving the U.S., Cafta, Nafta?

Obama has had to show remarkable restraint in and out of debates, because he is running against a woman and fellow democrat. This is not meant to be misogynistic, just that he stands to lose a lot by being perceived as a bully and male intimidator. Remember what happened in Hillary’s run for NY senate? Obama has fought with both his hands tied behind his back, while Hillary throw sticks of dynamite at him on a daily basis. What do you expect him to do? Not defend himself? He can only respond on the issues and make comments about the polls indicating the widely held view of her as dishonest and untrustworthy. He’s reinforcing what people feel about Hillary in the national polls. If Hillary would like to confine herself to attacks based on reputable polls, that would be fine. Wonder what national polls would say about his not wearing a flag pin or his weak relationship with Ayers? New Newsweek poll has Obama leading Clinton nationally: Obama, 54% to Hillary’s 35%. Doesn’t matter whether she wins PN or not. The hype in PN is driven strictly by the press for ratings.

Every campaign has to critique/contrast with the opponent. I don’t think there is any doubt that the Obama campaign has been far less negative and the candidate himself has been far less negative. Obama hasn’t trotted out the Clinton baggage as the Republicans surely would.
Obama is a very good politician in that he criticizes the game even though he plays it (to an extent). Most of the public hears his message and not the conference calls. They get a very different picture than the media of the campaign. What will be interesting will be to see how this plays out against McCain who also claims to be above all of it.

Mostly I agree with the author about the hypocrisy here but Obama has a point. While Rezko, flagpin-gate, and the right problmems are indeed distractions, one could argue rather easily that the Sniper story goes towards personal character and Clintons over all impression of the electorate with such a bold lie.
It certainly isn’t as bad as robo calling constituents with negative messages. We’ll see what the peeps in Pennsylvania think in a couple of days.

Obama is a hypocrite

Hillary is running a campaign that makes me embarrassed to call myself a democrat. The type of slash and burn/go for jugular tactics she is using do not reflect the type of person that I want to call my president- whether they work or not.
This campaign has brought into the daylight a clear schism in the Dem party and i would argue that the divide runs through a large chunk of the Repubs too. I have met so many Indies and Republicans who are sick and tired or politics as usual. They agree with the idea that just as our problems progress with complexity, so should our leadership and policy. ‘Old School’ thought will not fix ‘New School’ problems.
We need leadership that looks at the whole picture with fresh, innovative and progressive eyes… Someone who will ALL the tools avail. to tackle our mounting problems with foreign policy, our economy, our failing protection of civil liberties…
Thusfar only one candidate has shown us that HE is willing to try a new approach. Barack Obama has all but build a new political party. His campaign uses modern technique to fund raise, to organize, to disseminate information… we need someone who will look at Global Warming the same way… Health Care… Unemployment… the same way- a new way.
Barack Obama has shown he CAN and WILL.
He has stirred a slumbering movement waiting for a leader. A good people in need of a voice and transparency in our government. We are patriots. We are active. We are many. We are voting for Barack Obama.

I think there is a big question of scale here.
Hillary has been running ads based on anti-Obama distraction politics. She’s been doing that for months.
Obama’s shown a lot of restraint in the things he brings up and if it had been the Republicans we would have seen ads about Flowers, Hsiu, Lewinski, Whitewater, and all the other Clinton corruption scandals a long time ago.
Basic truthfulness is more than a distraction it’s a qualification for leadership and we saw how Bill’s lying hurt our country too.

HRC’s sniper fire fantasy is NOT merely a distraction. She repeated this “mis-speaking” story three times!! It is a story or a delusional personality that, strangely enough, echoes the delusional personality of GW Bush. The Wright episode in its original play was not merely a distraction but an important facet of BHO that he then answered with one of the finer, inter-racial reconciling speeches any of us have heard in the US for years. Soon after that, it should have faded, and is now Distraction. These two episodes are quite distinct and tell us a great deal about each candidate. The other stuff ESPECIALLY the lapel flag IDIOCY is truly distraction of the Atwater-Rove school to which HRC has DECIDED to stoop.

Basically Yes, Bosnia-gate is a huge issue. It shows how well Clinton can look into the camera and tell a well orchestrated, bold-faced LIE….being associated with someone who committed a crime when you were 6 years old is not news to me…Rev. Wright is not an issue for me…he simply said what most Americans fear to admit….complaining about how the media mistreats the candidates is something that Clinton has written a book about…out of 20 plus debates, Obama does not complain but voices frustration over such trivals issues that took nearly an 1 hour of a 2 hour debate to discuss…give me a break…all of you Clinton and McCain supporters are full of crap…Barack Obama is going to be the President so start updating those history books now!

Why Obama thinks he has the right to attack Hillary Clinton on personal issues, attack a Democratic President, the rural Americans, but then he plays offended if that is done to him? Why can he question anybody’s connecions, but he does not want to talk about his? Why does Obama does not show any passion about the USA or Americans?, Why doesn’t Obama explain why his wife also looks down on Americans?

real leaders do not put down
others or refuse to answer questions
Vote for Hillary!!

The Bosinia story is about a lie Hillary Clinton told with her onwn mouth numerous occassions, not one of her acquaintances.
The Bosnia story is a about a lie Hillary Clinton told repeatedly, even after others who were there had a different recollection.
The Bosnia story is about a lie Hillary Clinton told several times and didn’t apologize for, but tried to explain away and joke about. Not funny.
The Bosnia story is about a lie Hillary Clinton told, and expected her daughter, who was also there, to back her up on, which she dutifully did.
Do I think the Bosnia story is equivalent to whether or not Senator Obama wears a flag pin, whether his former pastor loves America, or whether he sat on a board with someone who was a 60′s radical?
In a word, NO!

Hahaha, that Hillary…
Let me only repeat what I just understood she said about George W. Bush:
“I believe his strong hand and words have helped to unify the country and give us the resolve to go forward in this war against terrorism.”
Hillary for Bush!
Barack Obama for President!

Obama get out of our proud country!

“Is Clinton’s Bosnia-sniper-fire story not a “distraction,” while Rezko, Wright, Ayres, Bitter-gate, and the flag pin are “distractions”?”
Actually Jake, they’re categorically different.
The Bosnia-sniper-fire story is a lie – and a pretty blatant one at that.
Rezko, etc are bogey men that the media apparently relishes talking endlessly about.
Show us Obama’s Weatherman membership card, or his previously unpublished autobiography about how he hates America, and sure – these stories will be more than just “distractions.”

Mr. JT,
The Clinton Camp is like a camel pointing to his brother hump but does not like to discuss his. At least Obama stays above it, unlike HRC. THe role of campaigns and surrogates is to point out to the obvious, since the media seems to be completely blind to that. How come you are reporting the fact that the former president and his wife who is currently running are embroiled in yet again another scandalous law suit out in CA (by Peter and Paul), how can you not make a big deal out the Columbia flirting by BC while his wife supposedly condemns it (that is of much greater direct impact to most american workers than not wearing a flag pin, I might add.
How can you overlook the fact that HRC campaign is the first to have contacted the Canadians about NAFTA, and those very same people contacted Obama, to have a lower level advisor go and talk to them.
It is so easy for you guys and to write a paragraph with minimal effort on your part and play a fake arbitrator.
Wake up!

Bosnia IS less of a distraction than most of the other issues… Wright was Obama’s pastor so maybe that was fair game, Ayers was some guy who Obama once took $200 from and EVERY major person in Chicago has dealt with at some point. The flag pin issue is just ridiculous and the fact that ABC sought out this woman after her quote in the NY Times just to play “gotcha” with Obama is the most sickening part of all. Hillary lied to the American people face-to-face on more than a few occasions about Bosnia, then she refused to apologize for over a week. Obama faces all of these controversies and alleged controversies head-on. The main problem here is that while Sen Obama was using every opportunity he had at the debate to talk issues and give “solutions not speeches,” Sen Clinton and the moderators were using every opportunity to attack Sen Obama. If he doesn’t fight back, he’s weak, as Sen Clinton has tried to argue a thousand times this week. If he fights back, he’s the same as her. No matter what, her supporters and certain anchors who are obviously bias, are going to find fault with what he does. What’s important is that Pennsylvanians are hearing him talk policy and her talk distractions in this crucial weekend before the primary.

the more he opens his mouth-the further he puts his left foot in it.
It is a most sexist remark-so much for his celebrating sen. clinton for her chance at being the first woman president.
but lets go back to the debate.
obama and all of his supporters complained about how long it took to get to the issues.
and he did not fair well when having so tough questions asked of him.
but when they did get to the issues
one was on the capital gains tax-do any of you remember his answer?
well here is a part of it in plain speak.
if you are a nurse, teacher, fireman, or if you have a pension, 401k etc.
he is going to raise the capital gains tax.-in the sense of being fair.
now as I have said before in my comments
Mr. obama and is handlers and backers
a part of their phil. is claiming they are going to level the playing field.
it is only fair.
and I believe in fairness and level playing field. but
Mwhen you start putting all the pieces of the puzzle of mr. obama together-they are not about lifting america back to its greatness-so it can help the rest of the world.
mr. obama feels in all fairness america can and should be brought down to the level of the rest of the world. their phil. is we are big enough and have enough resourses we can stand to come down a bit.
Mr. obama can no more deny his mother and fathers marxist roots
than he can deny rev. wrights racist roots.
so all of you middle class supporters of obama-keep shouting about Sen. Clinton and the bosnia thing-and keep talking about monica and bill-
and put obama in office.
and watch how mr. obama is going to help you teach hillary and bill a lesson while he lowers your standard and quality of life.
obama should not be POTUS
obama is a leftist-stop listening to what he is preaching to you right now-and start looking at what he is going to do to you if he wins.

has obama flipped-flopped on the flag pin. now he is wearing it, why ?

As one post says: “Do I think the Bosnia story is equivalent to whether or not Senator Obama wears a flag pin, whether his former pastor loves America, or whether he sat on a board with someone who was a 60′s radical? In one word, NO!”
I fully agree. How can journalists identify the content of these two?
It has been a sad, sad affair to read the lines written about the Democratic race for the last couple of months. Journalists lost every bit of integrity and intelligence just in order to have an explosive story. They should be ashamed of themselves and of condemning their once honorable profession (and vocation) to cheap sound bites.

Actually Jake their is a huge difference between the Bosnia Story and Bittergate or the words of Mr. Wright.
In the case of Bosnia, Hillary has knowingly made false statements multiple times to make her seem more experienced in foreign policy matters and more courageous. These are not just variations on truth, they are lies. Not Misspeaks.
With Bittergate, Obama chose an unpolitic way of saying something that many believe to be true – that often people will vote against their own economic interests because of wedge issues like gay marriage and guns. This is not a LIE, this is a perspective.
As for Wright, Rev. Wright is NOT Barack Obama, and Wright is a fiery preacher, who like so many other American preachers (Hagee, and Parsley among them) have said outrageous things. Again this is very different then the Candidate them self making statements they know are false. All things are not equal.

“People have only forgotten about the Clinton scandals…
WON’T TAKE MUCH TO REMIND THEM”
Now THAT, I would say, is the truth and nothing BUT the truth.
As a Presidential candidate Hillary has NOT been vetted, for the simple reason Obama did’t use ANY of the Clinton scandals against Hillary, and because McCain expects to be running against Obama.
Would McCain run against Hillary, the name ‘Clinton’ would soon become _ thanks to the attacks of the REP fighting machine – the dirtiest and most suspect name in the history of American politics.
TOTAL unelectability would be the result, and some of the Clinton cases and gates might even be re-opened. It would become the dirtiest fight ever in a GE, for the Clintons would take EVERYTHING out that they have against McCain. And that is quite a lot as well.

Obama aint cool!!
Hillary is cool!

SuperDelegates,
On Tuesday there will be an overwhelming vote in favor of Hillary Clinton in Pennsylvania. We are asking that all superdelegates in states which backed Hillary to move forward with an endorsement of Hillary at that time. You will have two strong factors to support your decision. One, you are honoring your state’s interest, and two, you will be recognizing the momentum coming out of Pennsylvania, and your team efforts will create this wave.
Go Hillary ’08
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Hillary, standing up for all voters, including Florida and Michigan
Hillary is no wimp, indeed!
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There is a HUGE difference.
In one instance, we have Hillary repeatedly, willfully telling a flat out whopper of a lie. Honesty is deeply substantial. This is something Hillary herself actually did.
In the other instances, we have things like flag pins that are laughably meaningless. Or we have Rovian attack dogs trying to blame Obama for the actions of others who Obama has had barely any association with.
There is a HUGE difference. And again, Obama comes out on top in the measurement of character.

“Obama has an IQ that is less than 40!”
Ah! NOW I understand why he finished his Harvard thesis magna cum laude and became President of the Harvard Law Review!
Thanks for the explanation!

Politics – ick – they are all politicians. But given that there are choices being made – I do think it is different when the actual candidate is bringing up all the past stories. Hillary and BIll have been calling Obama a whiner/weakling – because he expressed disappointment over the time wasted on “gotcha” questions rather than substantive issues. That is silly. Also, during the debate Hillary took every opportunity to pursue those points against Obama. He did not pursue the Bosnia story and how it puts her credibility into question. So while his campaign may – what the media does not say is in what context. Were they asked about it or in response to something Hilary’s campaign has been doing?? At the same time Obama – the candidate – has not been resorting to personal attacks on Hillary’s character or scandals – in his speeches. He criticizes on her for taking more $$ than any other candidate from lobbying groups – this is a political issue. She claims he cannot fight special interests because he did not like the last debate’s discussion – but how will she fight special interests if their money is financing her campaign. this is ABC – hardly objective in this matter given they hosted the debate.

All Obama does is always complain!!!
He doesn’t know:
1. How to debate
2. Doesn’t know how to speak CLEARLY (in full sentences)
3. Always talks about “kitchen sink’ – may be he should be at the kitchen – not on the podium with other Presidential candidates.
4. Obam is full of gas – no substance
5. Obama doesn’t even know what he is talking about.
Hillary or McCain, 08!!

Frankly, Obama gives Harvard a very bad
name…

“Obama is using feminist remarks once again.”
Haha… you mean ‘sexist’? It’s difficult, I understand, for a hillbillie to follow these discussions… All those high brow terms…

obama- kitchen sink, dishes(china), buffet. you are so childish, not presidential.

If all the superdelegates committed to Barack and he gets 69 Pennsylvania delegates, he’d have the nomination’s magic number.
That’s about 44 percent of Pennsylvania.
If he lost 100% of all remaining delegates, he would have enough. He’d probably get at least one or two.

It so happens I have a dear old friend who produced a movie called “Chinatown.” Perhaps, as he reminded me recently, a famous line from that movie, slightly altered, can be appropriate in other situations. I think especially here.
“It’s politics, Jake.”

The Clinton Camp can’t have it both ways. Did anyone really expect Obama to sit back and let Hillary make points by attacking Obama, calling him wimp, and he can’t take the heat, etc.?
He looses if he sits back. We all know that.
The biggest problem with the system are the voters. Too many of us if not all of us take these slams to heart, we like them or so it seems because we all seem to respond to them.
Well I guess Obama decided to get in the kitchen and start vetting Clinton some. So how can she complaign? How can any of us complaign.
Look at what is said on these blogs. That will give you an Idea of what politics are today.

Since most of you are so proud of hillary….lets find out if Peter Paul makes hillary and/or bill out to be felons. Or does that NOT matter to you hillary supporters.
Only Obama has the skeletons right?! If you listen carefully, especially to FakeFoxNews, you can hear all the insinuations, just to make you think there is something sinister about Obama. Any innuendo to keep you off balance.
Someone should ask hannity about Hal Turner.
This has become the campaign of who has the biggest glass house.

I’m not invested in personal & lavish displays of patriotism — and in this country, above all, they ought not to be demanded of anyone — tho I respect those who express their feelings for this country in those ways. That said, when Clinton’s lies (they were not merely misrepresentations) about Bosnia emerged, I was pretty unimpressed by her casual dismissal of the matter. And I was truly shocked by the joke on Leno. To fight in a war, or to live in a country mired in war, is something most of us are spared . . . and the realities of what we are spared, through someone else’s service and sacrifice, or someoene else’s misfortune, is not something to joke about if you want to be commander in chief. It shows a streak of cruelty and indifference about suffering, and about service, that should make us shudder.

I think the Bosnia-sniper-fire story not a “distraction,” because it hits the Hillary personality triats dead on, LIES! Hillary is always changing what she said as it pleases her!
While Rezko, Wright, Ayres, Bitter-gate, and the flag pin are indeed distractions”! None of these have any thing to do with Obama’s charactor or personality. As for the flag pin, my God why was Hillary not drilled why she did not wear a flag pin at the last debate if its such a news worthy story LMAO.
GO OBAMA 2008!

I agree and disagree, Tapper –
I agree that the trivia raised by both candidates demeans us, and demeans the process. I’m so tired of hearing it. I’m tired of hearing sound-bites, as if the whole country had ADHD and the mainstream media doesn’t think it can hold our attention for more than 5 or 6 seconds on one subject.
But the Bosnia story is substantially different from both the flag pin and bitter-bones. Different because it was a story, manufactured from beginning to end (except for the geographical setting) from whole cloth from beginning to middle to en. As a narrative of supposed experiences, real events, told earnestly and repeated, it entertained her listeners and made a point, as she recited it with the an authoritative, “I remember when …”
– And it was all made-up. There’s simply not another way of looking at it. At the debate she “apologized” for it, but here it matters what “it” is. What error did she apologize for? She didn’t say. Was it a poor choice of words, like “bitter” instead of “frustrated”? She said “sniper-fire” when she meant to say “poetry”? That “ducking and running” was a slip of the tongue, when she meant to say, “stooped and stood” there with a little girl? The fact here, if the news media dares to call it such, is that the “it” here is a lie. Or if not a lie she dreamt it, which has leadership implications all its own, but I don’t think that’s the case.
Then with her “explanation” she fooled us twice. Did she think we were not paying attention this time either? — “sleep-deprived,” campaigning too long… This might have been a fair explanation for a slip of the tongue, a mistake about which year it happened, or even which country if she conflated what happened to her in Bosnia with what may have happened to her in, say, Iraq or somewhere else where the key point — facing danger under sniper fire — was in fact true. But it does not explain why she made up a story of deeply moving experience that did not happen. Sleep-deprivation makes her lie, is that her apology?
Then her husband repeats the same lie about the lie — “late at night…” Yeah, like “I never had sexual relations with that woman…”
What Stephanopoulus and Gibson implicitly did in weighing four Obama-troubles like flag pins, relations with an old radical, what Obama’s pastor was saying, and “bitter” vs. “frustrated” on the one hand against one Clinton-trouble on the other, was to put an equal sign between them. Here’s where I say the analysis does not go beyond the superficial. A made-up story, told to make a point that was not true, passed off repeatedly as true (embellished further each time) until the teller is caught, and then dismissed with joke (actually, with joke after joke after joke about it) — that’s not a “gaffe,” and it deserves deeper attention. But ABC set up the debate to call this a gaffe, a mis-speak, a mistake, something other than a lie.
And you’re repeating the point here: “Bosnia and bitter-bones are the same.”
And they’re not.
But soon ABC’s viewpoint, with a few more repetitions, will become fact.

oh good, someone else has finally picked up on the Peter Paul story with the clintons.
Somebody should again ask sean hannity about Hal Turner, since he insinuates constantly that Obama is holding on to something sinister.
Stop the twisted lies and distortions and distractions.
ABC and FOX = one in the same.

I would like to know is why does Hillary compliment FOX, why does Bill go to the Rush Show, why do Bill and Hillary embrace McCain?.
These guys are teaming with the Republicans to beat Obama. They can’t do it on their own.
How then are they going to be able to support Obama when he wins?
Now there is Hypocrisy for you.
Obama08

Hey ABC, why don’t you endorse Hillary, or just the Republicans already?

This guy still comes off as a snooty backbencher with a good speechwriter. I noticed all sorts of snide stuff in that “brilliant” speech, for instance, about how the blood of slave owners ran in his wife’s veins and had been passed down to his precious daughters.” He has so-called white blood–I don’t believe there is a gene that causes people to desire to own slaves. So this comment was to incite–to guilt-provoke. This guy is very sneaky–wait, we are supposed to say, “nuanced.” If he gets elected, we will face 4-8 years of him looking down his nose (literally), and watching his academic buddies try on govt jobs for size. Trust me, there will be some weirdass problems…and everyone will say, “But we didn’t know…”

First of all – nothing negative started until Hillary started it; Second – Bosnia is a lie that Hillary told specifically to boost her “qualifications” for President, and what she is doing to Obama is McCarthy-like guilt by association tactics. There is no comparison. Third – I know you, Jake, and the rest of the press know points 1 and 2 to be true, yet you act like you don’t for your own purposes. That’s why the ABC debate was a travesty.

Guess you are gulity by association>>>>If that is the case you want to look at the people Clintons chum with and look at how many are DEAD Do not cross them >>>>Daedly results…She want to be careful she does not sink in the kitchen sink…..

First reports are coming in of Chelsea’s Philly ‘gay bar crawl’… I just wonder how small town PA will appreciate it:
Chelsea Clinton stopped traffic Friday night as she wandered the streets of Philadelphia on a gay bar crawl, winning rave reviews for both her politics and her appearance.
Led around the neighborhood by Gov. Ed Rendell, Chelsea was mobbed by local gays and lesbians, as she walked from one club to the next. They ran up to hug her, posed for pictures and certainly invaded her personal space.
(part of Matthew Berger’s report for NBC)
“I grabbed her ass”?
The Clintons look more Presidential every day!

Why is everybody calling these “Gotcha” shows “Debates”. A debate indicates that both people will be asked THE SAME questions, and have the opportunity to respond to the answer of the other candidate. Hillary should have been asked why she didn’t wear a flag pin.
All of the questions in the first 45 minutes were aimed specifically at one or the other candidate. They were not something that the other candidate could answer other than to give them the opportunity to bring up the issue AGAINST the other candidate and “pile on”. The choice of questions for the recent ABC “debate” created such a farce

I’m staying home on election day, as McCain being a crook, Hillary is a liar and a crook, Obama has not really stated what he stands for…just change, but what kind of change.
So I’ll stay home, save four dollars and get nothing for the next four years.
Gosh what a country! Thank’s, Brownie and Dead Eye, you two have done a heck of a job bring down America

To Sonia Trevino: If you are going to post in public forums, you really should get your facts straight. On March 28, the University of Chicago School of Law released the following statement — Sorry sweetie, to confuse you with the facts…
“The Law School has received many media requests about Barack Obama, especially about his status as “Senior Lecturer.” From 1992 until his election to the U.S. Senate in 2004, Barack Obama served as a professor in the Law School. He was a Lecturer from 1992 to 1996. He was a Senior Lecturer from 1996 to 2004, during which time he taught three courses per year. Senior Lecturers are considered to be members of the Law School faculty and are regarded as professors, although not full-time or tenure-track. The title of Senior Lecturer is distinct from the title of Lecturer, which signifies adjunct status. Like Obama, each of the Law School’s Senior Lecturers have high-demand careers in politics or public service, which prevent full-time teaching. Several times during his 12 years as a professor in the Law School, Obama was invited to join the faculty in a full-time tenure-track position, but he declined.”

What did Obama that is so gutter Oxy?
What did he do? Respond to attacks? That puts him in the gutter?

If any “thinking” person would do their research on the Clintons they would see the total corruption!
Peter Paul V Clintons
TravelGate
Whitewater
We need a “change” in our country and Barack Obama provides the positive change!!!!!!

how on earth can Obama with a straight face decry these “distractions” when his campaign that very same day organized a conference call to harp on Clinton’s Bosnia-sniper-fire gaffe?
Answer: Who started the war? Who was the first to employ the scorched-earth tactics? Who said this was the fun part of politics?
I think Obama has shown considerable restraint. When she announced that she’d of left her church if her pastor had made such remarks I wondered why she didn’t leave her lying, philandering husband who humiliated her in front of the whole planet.
Wanna know why she didn’t? Because she wanted to be president and couldn’t get there without him.

Wish he had been quoted correctly – I’m sure he said politics was not for the “faint of heart” but the ignorant transcriber wrote “feint of heart”. That is a suggestive phrase, but if it describes anything, it is duplicity. Neither duplicity or weakness applies to Barack, and that is the strength that people see in him.

I was truly looking forward to viewing the ABC debate on Wednesday between Senators Clinton and Obama, but due to George Stephanopoulos’ getting talking points and questions for this debate from Sean Hannity and conservative radio talk show hosts who have shown racism, sexism, and open hate and hostility toward Senator Obama, I am appalled with the ABC news organization and no longer perceive ABC as a “honest broker” in terms of this election. George Stephanopoulos’ tactics are quite similar, in my view, to what ABC News Contributor George Will did to President Jimmy Carter when he debated then Governor Ronald Reagan in 1980. It is well known that Will gave Reagan the debate questions before the debate to foster a win for him. Did Stephanopoulos do the same thing as did Will, who is portrayed by ABC as a legitimate and unbiased legal analyst? Therefore, I find Stephanopoulos’ behavior on Sean Hannity’s radio program to be profoundly unprofessional, especially since he formerly worked for President Bill Clinton. Was Stephanopoulos trying to foster a win for Senator Clinton during the ABC debate? This debate, to me, was a “tainted” disaster and insulted the intelligence of the American and world viewing communities. I stopped watching “This Week” with George Stephanopoulos a while ago as I find his program to be staid, scripted, and biased. There only appears to be one point of view offered (i.e., conservative) and seldom does this show offer viewpoints from persons other than Cokie Roberts and George Will. Moreover, I find Stephanopoulos willingness to receive debate questions from Hannity to be telling about his ethical conduct or lack thereof, especially since he has an apparent conflict of interest by formerly working for President Clinton. Also, each night on Fox News, Hannity conducts an unfiltered and unchecked hatchet job on Senator Obama and many conservative talk show hosts do the same each day. From my perspective, ABC news is attempting to destroy Obama’s candidacy for some reason. Is it because he is a person of color? ABC news is acting like an arm of the RNC and of the Clinton campaign? I have begun to contact ABC’s sponsors about my concerns. Where was substantive questioning by Gibson and Stephanopoulos in terms of Clinton and Obama on jobs, healthcare, housing, education, energy, the environment, security, etc. Gibson and Stephanopoulos wanted voters to get agitated over social/wedge issues (i.e., gun rights, wearing of the flag lapel pen, and personal associations). American citizens are smart and thinking people. They are not stupid as seemingly thought by Gibson, Stephanopoulos, and ABC. It is time for American citizens to get real about what is going on in their country and to reclaim it for themselves and their children. Why didn’t ABC provide the American people with a clean, fair, and balanced debate if is to indeed be a credible news organization whose information can be trusted? I really missed Peter Jennings on Wednesday night as he would have never been associated with this type of yellow journalism. He was a class act. Jake Tapper, your article is another biased “hit piece” on Senator Obama and offers nothing of substance or value to those reading it.

I was truly looking forward to viewing the ABC debate on Wednesday between Senators Clinton and Obama, but due to George Stephanopoulos’ getting talking points and questions for this debate from Sean Hannity and conservative radio talk show hosts who have shown racism, sexism, and open hate and hostility toward Senator Obama, I am appalled with the ABC news organization and no longer perceive ABC as a “honest broker” in terms of this election. George Stephanopoulos’ tactics are quite similar, in my view, to what ABC News Contributor George Will did to President Jimmy Carter when he debated then Governor Ronald Reagan in 1980. It is well known that Will gave Reagan the debate questions before the debate to foster a win for him. Did Stephanopoulos do the same thing as did Will, who is portrayed by ABC as a legitimate and unbiased legal analyst? Therefore, I find Stephanopoulos’ behavior on Sean Hannity’s radio program to be profoundly unprofessional, especially since he formerly worked for President Bill Clinton. Was Stephanopoulos trying to foster a win for Senator Clinton during the ABC debate? This debate, to me, was a “tainted” disaster and insulted the intelligence of the American and world viewing communities. I stopped watching “This Week” with George Stephanopoulos a while ago as I find his program to be staid, scripted, and biased. There only appears to be one point of view offered (i.e., conservative) and seldom does this show offer viewpoints from persons other than Cokie Roberts and George Will. Moreover, I find Stephanopoulos willingness to receive debate questions from Hannity to be telling about his ethical conduct or lack thereof, especially since he has an apparent conflict of interest by formerly working for President Clinton. Also, each night on Fox News, Hannity conducts an unfiltered and unchecked hatchet job on Senator Obama and many conservative talk show hosts do the same each day. From my perspective, ABC news is attempting to destroy Obama’s candidacy for some reason. Is it because he is a person of color? ABC news is acting like an arm of the RNC and of the Clinton campaign? I have begun to contact ABC’s sponsors about my concerns. Where was substantive questioning by Gibson and Stephanopoulos in terms of Clinton and Obama on jobs, healthcare, housing, education, energy, the environment, security, etc. Gibson and Stephanopoulos wanted voters to get agitated over social/wedge issues (i.e., gun rights, wearing of the flag lapel pen, and personal associations). American citizens are smart and thinking people. They are not stupid as seemingly thought by Gibson, Stephanopoulos, and ABC. It is time for American citizens to get real about what is going on in their country and to reclaim it for themselves and their children. Why didn’t ABC provide the American people with a clean, fair, and balanced debate if is to indeed be a credible news organization whose information can be trusted? I really missed Peter Jennings on Wednesday night as he would have never been associated with this type of yellow journalism. He was a class act. Jake Tapper, your article is another biased “hit piece” on Senator Obama and offers nothing of substance or value to those reading it.

ABC News has ZERO credibility with respect to the Democratic campaign–and this blog supports that premise completely.

Jake,
Are you really trying to equate wearing a Flag Pin with lying on multiple occasions?

Honestly, how can anyone vote for an adult man who can only bowl a 37? Barack Hussein Obama is nothing more than a charlatan with a golden tongue. In the old days, I believe they were called “snake oil salesmen”. You people really need to come to your senses. This man is nowhere near qualified to be POTUS.

Jake,
You might not realize this, but you’re working for the same news organization that put on the rigged debate last week. You don’t do yourself any favors when you neglect to dissociate yourself from what your fellow journalists have done. In fact, you should be arguing for Stephanopoulous’s removal. He makes you look bad, and anything you say from this point on is viewed through the lens of whether ABC is making a concerted effort to oppose Obama.
And just to address your post: A flat-out direct lie from the candidate (sniper fire) trumps choices about symbolism (flag pins) and tenuous guilt-by-association references. That’s just common sense.

hillary have so muich experience yet she vote for the war she is so tough yet shesit their while her husband make nafta deals.its not just about experience its also good judgement.and for all the experiene she and macain have their judgement was wrong.how about that.

POLITICS OF CHANGE! Ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha
POLITICS OF HOPE!
Ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha
Obama is ducking China while Hillary is APOLOGIZING for sniper fire!!! Watch out for the china Obama!! Is that Obama WHINING again??? That Hillary is just so tough and mean, why can’t she just quit the race and let you win nice and easy like all your other elections? Call Howard Dean and Ted Kennedy and Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi and Patrick Leahy and who else, everybody gang up on Hillary and make her leave me alone!!!Waaahhhhh!!!

Sharon Sharon Sharon! You stated “Good God, are
we really this illiterate?” all the while not
realizing that you had two, count ‘em two
typos in your piece
Do a spell check girl!

Mr. Tapper
You gave your bias away when you insisted that lapel flag pins are not a distraction.
Have you lost your mind? You consider lapel pins to be a substantive issue? A cheap bit of Chinese-made costume jewelry tells you something major about the character of a Presidential candidate?
You must be kidding. But no, you’re not. You’re just showing that you’ve replaced journalism with Clinton partisanship.
Have you no shame?

It seems pretty clear to me that publicly making up stories on the campaign trail, that one later says they actually knew were false (?!) … is significantly less periphial than flag pins and guilt by association.

Obama is such a friggin’ crybaby. It’s easy to see how the Republicans will wipe the floor with him come November. It’s no surprise why Democrats lose elections or why their emblem is the jackass. After their deep slate of great candidates, if Obama is the best they end up with they deserve to lose. I’m already practicing saying, “Hello, President McCain.”

Just in case you were wondering, Obama used two fingers when scratching his cheek during the “brush the dirt off your shoulder” appearance in NC. One angle makes it look bad, but there are other angles which clearly show he used two fingers, as normal.

Obama has the gift of gab and is a smooth talker but that is all he has.
He is using scare tactics about the economy to get attention. Has no concrete data to back up what he says. That alone undermines our economy and the security of the nation. He has no solutions to any problems. “Get out of Iraq” is not a solution by itself. If thats the best he can do then Obama needs to get off the ticket and voted out of his Senate seat also.
I would rather fight the enemy on their soil rather in our comunities. It is time he shows his true colors. I don’t believe they are RED, WHITE and BLUE.
Democrats have been “tax and spend” for as long as I can remember. Look at the tax tables during the Clinton years and compare them egainst the Busch years and you’le find in all catagories, the Busch years show lower tax rates, not only the “top 2.% ” which they say every election.
Overall this is the least qualified Presidential field since before the 1940′s. Remember, Congress has a lower rating than the President and they are all Senators.
The only one not, was Mit Romney and he had a possitive track record of accomplishments. Those left running have no accomplishments.

It’s so easy to confuse getting shot at by snipers with receiving a poem of peace from an eight-year-old. Natural mistake. Just ask Hillary.

This country is not about a flag pin; it’s not about a flag; it is more about a citizens right to burn that flag in protest. Anyone who thinks wearing a flag pin makes them patriotic is sick. It’s like a baby that cries, not because it’s hurts, but because it wants others to think it hurts. This country is about the right of a person to get up and put forth an opinion that others might totally disagree with, and you have the right to protest it . That is what America is about, that is what we should celebrate. Our military fights for our Constitutional right to burn that flag if we wish. It’s called freedom of speech. The right to express ourselves any way we wish.

This country is not about a flag pin; it’s not about a flag; it is more about a citizens right to burn that flag in protest. Anyone who thinks wearing a flag pin makes them patriotic is sick. It’s like a baby that cries, not because it’s hurts, but because it wants others to think it hurts. This country is more about the right of a person to get up and put forth an opinion that others might totally disagree with, and you have the right to protest. That is what America is about; that is what we should celebrate. Our military fights for our Constitutional right to burn that flag if we wish. It’s called freedom of speech. The right to express ourselves any way we wish.

Senator Obama has compained that guilt by association is not his guilt. Check out all the guys in jail and find that many are there because they choose the wrong people to associate with just as Barrack has chosen to do.
Senator’s Obama’s character is tainted and stained and he can not just brush it off like a piece of lint. The problem comes from the brain, heart and soul.

Sen,. Obama early on had said, that the contest was not about experience but about judgment and character. Therefore the first 45 min of the ABC debate was very relevant in understanding the candidates character and judgment.

Can we get back to talking about issues and away from these silly arguments about who loves the country more and who is elitist. All three candidates love this country. Also, anyone who wants to be President of the United States is an elitist. While I have a lot of respect he campaign has been full of gutter politics.

I just love all the sexist, demeaning metaphors being used against Hillary Clinton: kitchen sink, china, Annie Oakley, etc, etc, etc. It makes me sick when people complain of having to treat a woman candidate with kid gloves. Yeah, right. This campaign has exposed more underlying misogyny than I knew still existed in this culture.

Thank you for exposing the sexism and hypocrisy in Obama’s campaign of late, Jake. I hope others are as bothered by this as we are.

Remember this was one of the things that came out from sources that were in the White House about the huge fights the Clintons would have and Hillary would throw dishes at Bill. Secret service agents commented on this publically as it was a delimma for them as the were to protect the president.
Hillary said she was confortable in the kitchen and Obama picked up on this metaphor. People who are looking for sexism here are reaching. I expect to see in running on CNN all day however.
They like this kind of stuff.

Correction:
In post just below, I intended to say, “I have to agree with ‘h | Apr 20, 2008 12:53:35 PM’.”

Just a tad, disingenuous Mr. Tapper?
As I sit here, watching the candidates closely, waiting to cast a vote, I have to say I don’t think they are the same. I suspect like a lot of voters like myself who no longer trusts the media,look beyond the news to find the real story, or if there really is a story. (Thank heavens for the internet in this critical primary and election to come! We are no longer dependent upon media spin.)
It seems to me the big difference is that Sen. Clinton crafted a bald face lie to tell to voters and made it worse by trying to use another lie to cover it. She also lied about NAFTA, as her own papers from the White House show.
Although Obama’s ‘bitter’ comments were fair game and one he apologized for, look how Clinton chose to spin them? Even worse look at her sudden portrayal of herself as a deeply religious, duck hunter but her refusal to answer any questions about that claim to the media? Even worse, unlike other Presidents, who have reduced tax payer funded perks to former Presidents, the (non-elitist) Clinton’s still take it all plus the 109 million they made since leaving the White House.
Does direct dishonesty and hypocrisy on that scale matter? Is that a distraction or is that relevant to our choice and expectations about a candidate who ‘would be President?’
Do you really think in voters minds that blatant lying compares with the ‘guilt by association,’ attacks on Obama?
I would hope that most voters have a higher standard of ethics than that, certainly this one does!
ABC’s debate and its blatant use of guilt by association brought this to ahead for many of us.
ABC joined FOX and Clinton in being the most obvious and virulent in trying to smear Sen. Obama, using ‘guilt by association’, an old McCarthy tactic. That in itself speaks to me about her integrity and honesty in her attacks on a fellow democrat and makes me question ABC whom I once believed to be reasonably credible.
I just watched the Clooney movie about Edward Morrow, ‘Goodnight and Goodluck,’ so watching what she and others are doing to Sen. Obama really hit home for its similarity in tactics.
We forget that era and those tactics at our own peril. Those same tactics were used to great advantage to put Bush in office which is when I became an independent again.
Just like McCarthy’s guilt by association smear on innocent citizens, the same tactic being used on Obama is based on rumor, innuendo and paper thin attempts to link him to the thoughts, works and words of others.
I shudder to think what the same tactics used against Clinton, Bush or McCain might yield?
So when a person is smart enough or inclined to want to know the truth about Obama’s associations,what are they left to believe when they finally gets the facts? That what turns out to be little more than manufactured crap is somehow the same as Clinton’s bald faced lies?
I don’t think so.
The truth is that none of the ‘association’ smears on Obama holds up when you look at the facts and the context. Not one!
Clinton and the media’s attempt to connect Obama to Farrakan was the most blatant, disingenuous ‘guilt by association,’construction I have ever seen!
Obama was already on the record denouncing Farrakan ages ago. He had spoken out in African American churches trying to counter Farrakan’s dreadful comments about Jewish people. It was reported in the paper and shown on clips on You Tube.
But somehow the attempt is made to make Obama accountable for the fact that Farrakan praised him in a speech he gave that had nothing to do with Obama.
Never mind how unfair or unethical that is, what is the agenda or justification for that kind of questioning?
Then we get Rev. Wright, a controversy manufactured by taking 3 speeches he gave, taking them out of context of the sermon and running those selected sound bytes over and over again.
Two of the speeches were given outside of his church in other states, and one was given in his church when Obama was in Miami.
Is Wright contentious? Probably by some standards but he was neither racist nor anti-American nor did he ‘blame’ Americans for 9/11.
But where do you want to start the list when it comes to contentious or out right vicious comments by some associated with other candidates?
Look at the commentary from religious leaders associated with Reagan, Bush, McCain and even Hillary’s own controversial leader of the creepy right wing “fellowship” she belongs to?
Although the Wright thing caught my attention, when I actually investigated it, I came away with only 1 question, why was it manufactured and why was Obama singled out?
8,000 people in the Trinity Church,both black and white were tarred by this crafted controversy. They have suffered abuse and even threats ever since.
The Rezko thing was the same, more smoke and mirrors in the face of facts and circumstances, of course shaded with Rezko’s ethnic origin which happens to be Syrian.
Yet, there has never been a suggestion of wrong doing on Sen. Obama’s part by anyone. The truth is, Rezko, who contributed to many Democrats, was a highly respected member of the community until he was indicted. He had not been indicted when Obama was dealing with him or associated with him.
Individuals co-indicted with Rezko were also Democratic party and GOP fund raisers. Did they get even a mention? No.
What was spun was the possibility of ‘unanswered questions’in regard to the Rezko and Obama connection.
Yet when he met and showed documentation to the Chicago papers, those supposedly ‘unanswered questions’ were put to rest. Again it was smoke, mirrors and innuendo.
The Rezko issue failed, the Wright issue failed, the Farrakan non-issue failed, I think largely because of people like me who actually check, so now we have Ayers!
Ayers, is a white man charged but not convicted 40 yrs ago for his role with the Weatherman. Forty years later, he is now a respected professor, sought after expert on education and an anti-poverty activist in Chicago. The fact that Obama was 8 yrs. old when Ayers was active makes it even sillier. So what was Obama’s association?
He lives in Obama’s neighborhood,held a coffee party fundraiser for him the first time he ran for the Illinois legislature and he and Obama served on the board of a well respected charity organization that met 4 times a year.
He has nothing to do with Obama’s run for the presidency, he did not endorse him, he did not give him funds they are not close friends.
Thats it!
So we have one candidate who constructs bald face lies, dishonest pretenses and uses highly questionable tactics to tar a fellow democrat and you are asking us to believe that somehow that is the same as the tactics used against Obama that is constructed entirely by McCarthy ‘guilt by association’ tactics?
I don’t think so!
However, although Obama cannot say it, these tactics are not trivial to some of us. The record shows based on facts and numbers that Obama has been singled out for these kind of attacks. See the assessment by FAIR an independent, well respected and impartial online site who reports about fairness and accuracy in the media.
Its a real eye opener for those of us who think these kind of tactics are unethical.
Why was Obama singled out to answer for his ‘black’ preacher, the ‘black’ controversial Mr.Farrakan and the ‘Syrian’ Mr. Rezko?
Today in the Washington Post columnist David Ignatius found cover behind his flimsy, irrelevant article called “Loyal to a Fault’ to hit Obama again on everyone of those hot button, race based ‘guilt by association,’smears.
He linked him again to Farrakan by noting the connection with someone who was “related” to the former leader of the “Nation of Islam.” He made a point of pointing out Obama’s indirect association with someone who ‘knew’ and ‘worked’ with “Mohammaded Ali”, a Muslim of course. His raising of Rev. Wright was a given plus the fact he saw fit to point out that Rezko was a “Syrian” and some one said that Obama attended an event given by Rezko for a perfectly respectable, albeit “Iraqi-born” millionaire. Not surprisingly, Mr. Ayer who is white does not even get a mention. How ugly can this get?
What makes it even worse is that neither Obama nor anyone else can even address the legitimate questions behind his being singled out. He would instantly be accused of playing the victim or being guilty of reverse racism. That in itself is a pretty sad commentary about the state of race relations in our Nation when that kind of counter attack is used to shield highly questionable tactics that are used blatantly and frequently in singling out Obama.
As a consequence you would be hard pressed to convince this 60 yr. old white woman that it wasn’t because he was black! Because if it wasn’t because he was black, what was it?
Are these guilt by association questions distraction as Obama points out? Of course they are because they are manufactured, unlike Clinton’s Bosnia adventure that was a bald faced lie to mislead voters.
I am really quite sick of the whole thing. There is not a snowballs chance in hell of me voting for Clinton or McCain now, a man I had a lot of respect for until he joined the smear by association cadre.
So save your self serving constructions for someone else Mr. Tapper.

America, if we did our homework, and job as citizens, it wouldn’t matter who is president! That’s the real problem. We sit back on our chairs and play, “Who fits into my predispositions about concerning my philosophy on life?” I don’t “like” this person. Or I don’t “like” that person? Yeah, that guy, or girl will do the things that’s going to make “my” life better. And if it’d at the expense of others in the world, so what! Every elected president has some baggage going in. So what’s new?
We are so personaly, and collectively, insulated and narcissistic that we just don’t get it!
But the one thing we better do, is get it right. This election is not “American Idolatry!”

Samantha I guess you aren’t counting all the bald faced lies Obama has told. Rather curious that you don’t see that.

Clinton used that story, blatantly, as a way to prove her “commander-in-chief” status. She LIED. That is a direct connection to the validity of her candidacy. She says she wants people to think of this election as a hiring…hiring someone for “the toughest job on earth.” Well, if YOU were hiring someone, and one of their major references turned out to be a blatant lie, would you still hire them?
I think Hillary screwed Hillary on this one. She said she had foreign policy experience, and used the Bosnia story to make herself look “tough” and “military.” And it might’ve worked, if she hadn’t MADE UP THE IMPORTANT PARTS. Now she has to accept the face that she put a giant hole in her credibility. We’ve already had eight years of a president who was a pathological liar. He even put on a flight suit and told us we’d won the war in Iraq. Do we want to “hire” another one of these? I know I don’t.

Obama complains about the lack of quality questions, yet his stump speech is just insults and no substance.
Can you say hypocrite?
He complains that she is throwing the kitchen sink and knife analogies…and that is substance?
He flips her off and that is supposed to be substance?
One set of rules for Um Bama and another set for everyone else.
No thanks….that’s what we have under Bush. I don’t need ANOTHER special needs President.

The Bosnia lies are not just ‘distraction’.
HRC told the story on several occasions, adding (false) details each time.
It cannot be a mistake. One may easily forget details of one’s life, but not
when one’s life has been at risk.
So either she deliberately lied, or she
really thought this had happened (and it turns out it has happened to another person).
If she lied deliberately, it raises not only an ethical question, but the question whether she’s completely stupid, as it was pretty obvious that the truth would surface.
If she did not lie deliberately, then it rases the question of her mental health.
If there’s a third option, I’m curious to hear about it.
We’re talking about who’s going to be the most powerful person in the world, in a position to initiate WW III.

NEWS FLASH! Obama campaign internals show that he is ahead in PA. Undecideds have broken his way and the college/youth vote cannot be accounted for in polls because cell phones cannot be accessed. This is why he has been all smiles the last few days having fun and ready for his victory in a state that he has been down as much a 26 points the past few months.

I thought FCC deregulation had only resulted in the balkanization of cable. ABC’s conduct of the so-called debate proved otherwise. ABC has not credibility as a news or journalistic source. It is now a partisian player just like Fox. Therefore, it can be expected that Tapper will voice only opinions that are noncritical of his bosses at ABC. To equate a clear Hillary “lie” with Obama’s supposed “guilt by association” is not only a differnce in degree it is one in kind.
And lastly, if one needed any more proof of an ABC bias against Obama,the love fest that little George conducted with McCain on his Sunday show should remove all doubt.

DANNY…BARRING SOMEONE FROM THE PRESIDENCY because they lied? I would think every politician has lied. About many things including wars. The one that should be barred is Obama for his Ayers connection. This man is a danger and Obama knows him well. More to come on this issue.

A lie Clinton made to “prove” her foreign policy/security experience can in no way be compared to the pseudo-issues that were manufactured against Obama. Hillary has serious character flaws that she displays time and time again. Since Obama appears to be personally absent of these, he is attacked on issues pertaining to “guilt by association” and matters of jewelry. Lapel pins today, neckties tomorrow. Jake, I thought that you were smarter than this, but then I thought the same of Charlie and George.

The difference is, when it comes to the Bosnia thing, it’s part of a pattern by Hillary Clinton- she’s a liar. That’s her character. She’s a pathological liar. And she called it “misspeaking” because of a “lack of sleep”. Well, what’s she going to do when that red phone rings at 3 AM? I hope she doesn’t MISSPEAK!
Sadly, ABC News has proven time and time and time again that they are UNABLE to provide HONEST, UNBIASED reporting. I used to depend on ABC News, but now I see they are at the same level as FOX and CBS. I’m disgusted by it. Peter Jennings is probably rolling in his grave.

ABC…always behind Clinton.
First that “debate” then this article.
Mickey would not be proud!
JerryAlan, KY

Hillary is the one who choose to use the Bosnia story to enhance her so-called foreign policy experience. She did that to herself and if she was making up unnecessary lies then there wouldn’t be anything to say. Obama has every right to bring it up after all the attacks Hillary has thrown at him. Why should continue to be silent. He has tried hard to stay neutral on alot of her dirty laundry but she keeps trying to smear him all over place. I am glad he is calling her out on her lies it is about time.

Nobody is asking the questions what skeletons Hillary still has in her closet? Peter Paul is huge. We all know Peter Paul is a huge story, so why does the media check it out? If Hillary gets the nomination, this story will break In October leaving her no time to recover. The New media has not done their job into looking in to Bills connection to Columbian trade. They also haven’t looked into where all the money came from that Hillary loaned herself? Bill seems to get millions for his library, where does that money come from, what are the connections? We all know if just one journalist would scratch the scab, it would bleed like crazy!!! They have their eyes on Obama and taking him down but I doubt he has half the skeletons in his closet than Obama.

Nobody is asking the questions what skeletons Hillary still has in her closet? Peter Paul is huge. We all know Peter Paul is a huge story, so why does the media check it out? If Hillary gets the nomination, this story will break In October leaving her no time to recover. The New media has not done their job into looking in to Bills connection to Columbian trade. They also haven’t looked into where all the money came from that Hillary loaned herself? Bill seems to get millions for his library, where does that money come from, what are the connections? We all know if just one journalist would scratch the scab, it would bleed like crazy!!! They have their eyes on Obama and taking him down but I doubt he has half the skeletons in his closet than Obama.

Clinton started this garbage-tossing. As ye sow, so shall ye reap.

In other news today 32 shot in Chicago 6 people die in two days…..
To paraphrase Michelle…
If Obama can’t fix his own house….he doesn’t belong the White House.

Hillary is old, tired and washed up. Constantly lying makes you age faster. She should drink more shots of whiskey to perk up her tired speeches.

To be fair to Hillary, who wouldn’t confuse a “corkscrew” landing under sniper fire, running for your life across a tarmac with a comedian and a guitar player in tow to receiving a peace poem from a child. It’s just a natural mistake anyone with the name Hillary Clinton might make.

There is a big difference between running a positive campaign and hiring attack dogs….Obama has been negative from the start. He just claims he hasn’t. The most destructive line of attack to America is his constantly claiming everyone is a racist.
His policies are watered down versions of Hillary’s and Edwards. He represents a change in American values not in politics.
Ask yourself the hard questions…Why do the Black Panters, Farrakan and Hamas endorse Obama? Why is he so tolerant of racism and terrorism? Is he a saint? Is he a guy that makes great speeches? So far he has displayed a willingness to say or do anything to be elected.
Why did he lie about not only his handwriting on the policy survey but the fact that he had approved funding to try and remove the 2nd Amendment from gun owners?
Why did he lie so long about his relationship with Wright? Why did he put him on his campaign until Dec 2007 if he knew that Wright was blaming America for 911? How could he tolerate the racism spewed from the pulpit knowing that his children attended that church?
I do not believe he is a Moslem or a terrorist. Mr Obama is an opportunist and the worse kind of HYPOCRITE.
The truth is if he gets into office we will have no idea how he will deal with foreign policy. It could be scary. Samantha Powers has already let the cat out of the bag about Iraq…he may not keep his word about getting us out in 16 months.
It was Obama’s campaign that told Canada not to worry about him renegotiating NAFTA.
His conflicting statements about the economy seem to indicate that he understands it less than MCCain.
So all things being equal he has no relevant experience to be President and no record of accomplishment. This is the worse change that America could have.

Am I the only one, but now when I see some one from ABC saying anything about politic my stomach turn up side down, some one tell this dude that ABC and the pundits that work for them have no more credit.

Star,
I’ll take the dime store savior over the old deceitful & lying lady and the old senile man that can’t remember what he’s talking about.

Generals and Army types have their own mind….I don’t totally personally agree, but they take these things to heart. Can’t really keep them quiet, it’s disrespectful.

She embellished the landing in Bosnia…not good.
Nevertheless Obama continues to lie about every relationship in his life. Remember when the press asked him if he had a representative that had met with Canada and he claimed it “didn’t happen”? His first instinct was to lie outrageously. The press has not called him on this stuff…until finally at the debate someone asked a few hard questions and the bottom falls out.

Yes both candidates are engaging in distractions. The implication is that they are equally guilty. Obama responds to attacks with attacks but does not initiate the volley. There is no incentive since his intended message is a positive one and he would be better off with no attacks.
What is really a distraction is when the news media obsesses on the distractions and becomes an advocate instead of a moderator.

Jackie, you are so incredibly full of crap that it is truly remarkable. Obama = Bush? Oh, yeah, except for the part where Bush’s father was president of the United States, and his family one of the wealthiest oil and weapons merchants in the world. Just a slight difference. I guess you overlooked it.

America can’t afford to choose another
“dud” for president. Obama is a whiney, inexperienced but slick-talking politician who’s managed to fool much of America so far. However, he’s slipping… we’re starting to see the real Obama. H’s going to raise taxes for American families making over $100,000/yr. which will affect many
families with 2 incomes…hard-working
people. illary Clinton has a proven trackrecord of working for the middle class and poor. She’s the real deal. He’s not.

One reader, CLH, writes today:
“when Clinton’s lies (they were not merely misrepresentations) about Bosnia emerged, I was pretty unimpressed by her casual dismissal of the matter. And I was truly shocked by the joke on Leno. To fight in a war, or to live in a country mired in war, is something most of us are spared . . . and the realities of what we are spared, through someone else’s service and sacrifice, or someoene else’s misfortune, is not something to joke about if you want to be commander in chief. It shows a streak of cruelty and indifference about suffering, and about service, that should make us shudder.”
This is one of the most thoughtful comments I’ve read in months. Thank you, CLH, for writing it.

Let’s be real here. He could be throwing a LOT more at her and is holding back, which the Repubs won’t do.
He has to fight back or be swiftboated, so he is doing what he has to, but could be doing much more.
McCain would come at her with talk of her lawsuits, impeachment, affairs, fraud, etc. They would LOVE to do that.

This is EXACTLY what happens every campaign season. Americans are so damn easily distracted by BS that they end up voting for some bozo like McCain our of revenge. Revenge against whom? – Yourselves. Then when we have another 8 years and trillions spent on war you will look back at these stupid distractions, parsed words and over-reaching associations and realize, although much to late, that WE have screwed up again.
It has bothered me so much that the American people are so naive about Politics. They are easily swayed by cultural issues that don’t put food on the table. Care about guns, god, abortion on your own time in your own family. But for heavens sake don’t let the GOP paint our candidates as unpatriotic for not wearing flap pins – how stupid is that.
WE have to do a better job of being more mature about these elections and stop acting like children. If you are looking for character flaws then look at Hillary – she has the highest negatives of anyone ever seeking the job of President. She and Sean Hannity know Obama is a good man so they hype this crap about his minister which is ridiculous. NOne of you can name Hillary’s pastor or for that matter, Bush’s pastor. We have separated Church and State for a reason and this is it
Wake up and apply some common sense and stop getting cut in to little pieces like “blue collar” workers, black, latte drinkers, etc. It’s condesending and stupid.

The MSM is out of touch and part of the old guard now, they are soon going to be as irrelevant as Hillary’s campaign.

Hillary lied about Bosnia to build herself up. This was totally dis honoring ALL of the soldiers and people in this country from the time of the revolution that have either died or got wounded from sniper fire. She is putting herself in the same catagory as these “heros”.
Now if that was not enough she then goes on a late night comedy show and jokes “I would have been here earlier but I was pinned down by sniper fire in the parking lot”.
Joking about such a serious issue is even worse!!!
How can someone that wants to be the commander in chief and that will have to send soldier into sniper fire, blatantly joke about this!!!
I have not heard any news program talk about the seriousness of Hillarys Bosnia comments.
I have not heard anyone talk about how Pres. Kennedy who was one of the most famous democrats was killed by sniper fire!!!! His brother and Martin Luther King were also killed by sniper fire!!!
Hillary now jokes about such a serious topic and gets away with it. It was no joke to any family that lost a loved one to sniper fire.
I remember watching the Kennedy funeral on TV. If anyone had made any sniper fire joke they would have been run out of town back then!!!! .
Even Bill Clinton lied for Hillary in this issue and he is a former commander in chief. What a total discrace for a former pres. to do this.
The Bosnia lie and joke disqualifies Hillary for the office of commander in chief. Period!!!!

Well I guess then that dis-qualifies both of them!!!

If Hillary goes on to win this nomination, there are so many Obama supporters that have promised to go out of their way to enable her loose. They r planning on volunteering for Mccain.
Come to think of it, Mccain is more credible than Clinton and he has a conscience which Clinton does not have.
Why on earth should people vote for somebody with zero credibility and zero conscience.
I neva thought there could be a mother w/o a conscience.

wah. I’m a victim, vote for me.
please. Hillary’s fight and her ability to sustain a fight that is rightly hers is nothing – nothing – short of astounding.
the White House needs a fighter. Not a whiner.
VOTE HILLARY, PENN.

Caroline,
Yes the White House needs a fighter. It needs an HONEST fighter!!
Think about it….would you feel comfortable sending your son or daughter into battle under Hillarys command??? This is a person that joked about sniper fire. This is a person that would be sending people into battle and does not think that sniper fire is a very serious matter and destroys lives and families.
Obama is finished too. His bagage and blatant lies are overwhelming.
Only choice this time is McCain. He is a true hero and not a made up one like Hillary. I am sure that you would feel a lot more comfortable sending your child into battle under his command.

“I think she will do much better than that finger pointing liar and traitor”
Yes she would do better than her finger pointing husband (“I did not have sex…..) but she is just as big of a liar!!

Which candidate has displayed no conscience in this nomination process?
Can u believe in someone with zero credibility and zero conscience?
Can u let somebody who exhibits desperation run your life?
Make a clear and rational choice between all 3 available nominees now! Remember u don’t get another choice for 4 years.
PLEASE DO NOT VOTE RACE OR GENDER!!!!!!!

It’s this simple:
Hillary Clinton:Politics as usual
Johm McCain: Business as uasual
Barack Obama: Change we can believe in
It’s that simple

Is Obama suppose to just let Hillary Clinton keep poundidng him over and over again and not respond? Cmon, he could really go after her but he has over and over again. There is so much to go after, why do you think mcCain is trying to help Hillary? They are salivating at the GOP to get at her. I think the media is irresponsible not covering the Clinton fraud trial coming up on April 25,
Why didnt George Stephanopoulas and Charlie ask about that and the Columbia story, and the fact that she lied about supporting NAFTA until she started running for POTUS? There should be an investigation by congress into the media’s hands in all of this.

How about Martin Luther Kings family??
IMO there is no apoligy for this.
Hillary has shown her uncaring and lying side big time??
There is NOTHING that she can say or do to turn this around. Like some posters have said, the evidence is there in the video. This was not a spin by the pther side. Facts are facts. She is finished and it is her own fault.

Oh yea, Danny, you must have forgotten of the one drop rule. An if you saw BO walking down the street and he was an average guy. How would you describe him??

And for the people that think Rev. Wright is a racist, anti-American etc. Just google “Fox news owned” and watch….

sorry oracle, he is american AND kenyan…

Yes there is a difference. Clinton made the statement that she had to duck to avoid sniper fire. Obama made a statement that people are bitter and turn to things they feel they can count on. One statement was a lie and one was the truth.

Danny, I’ll give you that. I even agree, but the way I see it. The media dubbed him the 1st viable black Pres candidate. An I see him tout his white heritage more than his black, what about you?? See if you have 1 drop of black blood in you, you are perceived as black. I just don’t think it really matters.

oracle, I could care less who defends him. i am voicing my opinion–which is similar to many americans.the church is built on racist ideals. criticizing america and whites from the pulpit, last i heard, good “god fearing folks did not take the lord’s name in vain”, i would think this really applied in a church.
being in the marines exonerates him for nothing he does today.
i do not care who criticizes what. what is at issue here is a presidential candidate, who syas he is a uniter, being a member of a church with such a foundation.

you are right, Chase. the party has been a huge disappointment to me since 2006 when they came in to power in congress only to squander the opportunity. i do not think the party has any real leaders any more, and this primary has probably split the party for good. perhaps this division is a reflection of changing values and beliefs within the party. i do not know. i do know that after being a loyal democrat for36 years, i am ready to leave the party i loved.

Please show us the facts that proves that the US government injected black americans with the aids virus?
These were words straight out of Wrights mouth. He told his church that this was a fact in one of those 10 sec videos. How do you explain his aids statement?? Show us proof that what eh said was true?

I never said that everything he said is true. But be honest, you don’t think some of our policies have led to all time highs in anti-Americanism?? The fact we stick our nose into other peoples affairs all the time when its in our best interest, then turn around and say it’s because of our “values” or “moral authority”. I’ll say this much, what he said bout AIDS is probably not true. But before you go and totally dismiss this as the raving of a madman, go and check your country’s history. It is “FACT” that we injected AA’s with syphylis in the 1940′s I believe. It was called “The Tuskegee Experiment”. So is it totally crazy to think it can happen????

Oracle,
Yes BO told the truth about his white grandmother and basically called her a racist. She was afraid when she saw a black man on the other side of the street and that she also used racial slurs. This is what BO said. He did not call his pastor a racist when it is so obvious that he is. He used Whites church to climb the political ladder. Id he dis-owns Wright now it will kill the black vote for him.

Oracle,
Just because the govt did experiments in the 40′s does NOT justify Writes outright lies about aids.
There were lots of things that happenned in the 40′s to AA’s and others.
There is NO excuse for (of all people) a pastor to spread anti american, anti white lies such as his aids lie. Think about it. All of his church members that heard these comments believe them to be true. After all he is a pastor…….
He is spreading hatred towards this country and towards white people. His words CLEARLY show this. There is no way to spin this into anything else than what it is.

Well for 1 Danny, BO did not call her a racist. You just did, an he didn’t have to call Wright a racist Fox news and you did already. So can you find 1 racial slur that Wright used?? An I think you missed the big pic, what happened in that speech is why i support him. Whether you like it or not, he is in the middle. He was raised as a white man, but lived as a black. Who better to bring the country together?? He can see from both sides.

Oracle,
BO said that his grandmother used racial slurs that made him “cring”.
I would say that if you use racial slurs then you are a racist.
Wrights videos were so anti white and anti american. The words are there and from his mouth.
I also liked BO when he first started running however after the past months I have seen his far left side and the people that he has associated with. His judgement is very poor. He knew about Wright. How could anyone with good judgement not take care of this issue right at the start. He had to know that sooner or later he would have issues with this guy. Total lack of judgement. He has told lie after lie trying to explain Wright. IMO BO would be very dangerous for this country as commander in chief especially with the issues of the world today. HE is a very slick talker. That’s all.

How come the discussion never goes back to Africa when Blacks used to own Blacks and then trade or sold their slaves to other than Africans, such as, explorers, and adventurers?
This is not to make light of all the tragic and disgusting things that all men have perpetrated on each other.
At least in the US we have tried to correct these events (not as fast as they should have been, and not completely to the satisfaction of everyone).
I look back where my grandparents came from, it still has serious suppression of its masses today. They didn’t have it easy being here, but they made the best of what they could, my parents did better, and I am trying to make my way the best I can. I feel I have opportunity, and most off all freedom. I am aware of the past, but don’t choose to dwell on it or use it as an excuse for my short comings.

Well danny, you have the right to your opinions. But you said something perfectly:BO said that his grandmother used racial slurs that made him “cring”.
“I” would say that if you use racial slurs then you are a racist. So you’re tellin me that “you” would call her a racist. Once again, he didn’t say that. I live in a multi ethnic area, blacks, whites, jews, hispanics, etc. An I would actually disagree with you, I’ve heard people say things but knew they weren’t racist. I’ve got white friends who have told me, “I like black guys and have no problem with them, but I wouldn’t want one dating my daughter.” Now I can respect that, and I don’t even think it’s racist. Now switching gears, what about McCain and the Keating five, him finishing like 894 out of like 899 in the naval academy. What about him glazing over his wife stealing prescription meds??

An i doubt Wright is dwelling in the past. But I’d bet both of our salaries his life has been harder then ours. So lets not judge till we walk in a mans shoes. Good enough??

I’ll leave you with this Danny. I started this discussion with you cuz of the posts you had on the dems. when I talk about McCain’s past those are some reasons I wouldn’t vote for him, aside from things like Bush tax cuts, voting against MLK holiday, Iraq war, him knowing nothing about economy, etc. I could go on and on. But I never hear people attacking BO’s policies, it’s always the BS. I’m just tired of people bringing up his baggage w/o bringing up their respective candidates baggage. But for the record I don’t think McCain’s a bad guy.

Yes Wright is not dwelling in the past. He will soon be dwelling in a 10 million dollar house in one of the rich white neighborhoods. His neighbors will be the same white people that he preached who are controlling the blacks!!!
I am sure that in his generation he had to endure many things. Hey other ethinic people had to endure a lot too. During his lifetime he saw huge racial changes for the good. This is what he should be preaching and not preaching like it was still the 1920′s.
BO listened to this BS for 20 yrs. This says a lot about his character. I believe that 1. he used this church to advance his political future and 2. He may believe in what Wright preaches.
Wright has really damaged BO chance for the presidency. He will be the nominee and lose the general. I cannot believe that this is the best that the Dems had to offer. You would think that BO past would have been totally checked out by them at the start. Now they are stuck with a losing candidate.

ORACLE:
The people involved in the experiment were people who had ALREADY contracted syphillis.. They were in the last stages of the disease, and the it was a study of the effects of syphillis on the body.
The sad part was that no one was going to cure them…. not that the “experimenters” had injected them with the disease.
Please read:
“The Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment
by Borgna Brunner
For forty years between 1932 and 1972, the U.S. Public Health Service (PHS) conducted an experiment on 399 black men in the late stages of syphilis. These men, for the most part illiterate sharecroppers from one of the poorest counties in Alabama, were never told what disease they were suffering from or of its seriousness. Informed that they were being treated for “bad blood,” their doctors had no intention of curing them of syphilis at all.
The data for the experiment was to be collected from autopsies of the men, and they were thus deliberately left to degenerate under the ravages of tertiary syphilis—which can include tumors, heart disease, paralysis, blindness, insanity, and death. ‘

Good discussion tonight. Oracle, pp, and Danny, I enjoyed your points of view. Thanks for letting me join in, and thanks very much for the constructive comments. Be safe, I’m outta here. Good evening and good luck to all.

ORACLE:
“I never said that everything he said is true. But be honest, you don’t think some of our policies have led to all time highs in anti-Americanism?? The fact we stick our nose into other peoples affairs all the time when its in our best interest, then turn around and say it’s because of our “values” or “moral authority”. I’ll say this much, what he said bout AIDS is probably not true. But before you go and totally dismiss this as the raving of a madman, go and check your country’s history. It is “FACT” that we injected AA’s with syphylis in the 1940′s I believe. It was called “The Tuskegee Experiment”. So is it totally crazy to think it can happen????
Except that it Was called the Tuskegee Experiment, your post was a total, blatant lie.
In fact, most of the pro-B O posts are filled with blatant lies… not all. just most.
“So I’ll give my vote to HILLARY!”
So would you, if you could get over her being white! None of us can help what color we’re born (except fo Michael Jackson) ;-)

Doug,
I agree that association with a neighbor is a questionable link. A pastor, however, that was the spiritual light that brought Barak to Christianity. So pursuaded him that he not only stayed with him for 20 years but was married by the Reverand and thought him educational enough to bring their two children to the church. When Barak defends the Reverand and refers to him as practically a member of the family then this has transgressed beyond a passing acquaintance.
When the heat was applied Barak danced from:
I understand why the Rev. would say these things if he said them because I was not there. I can’t disown him.
to:
I might have heard some talk of the Rev. saying things like this.
to:
Okay, I was there for some of it but I don’t agree with everything he said.
to:
If he had not retired I would have left the church.
What a politician!! Note that his grandmother was just a typical white person but he gives an entire speach on why we should not judge Rev. Wright.
This year will be a “hold my nose and vote” year and it will not be for either Dem.

Rev. Wright doesn’t even come close to the racism that Hillary Clinton grew up around. Her father’s favorite word for African Americans was the N-word. Now I know a little something about child development. When you grow up in a racist home, under stress you tend to revert back to those attitudes. The Hillary campaign reflects her racist roots. Obama joined Rev Wright’s church when he was an adult. And let’s face it, any biracial man who is part black just doesn’t run for the highest office in the land and hold some of the beliefs that Rev. Wright holds. It’s a contradiction. I mean people use your common sense. If he believed that America was populated by racists, he wouldn’t run. Duh!!
If you don’t want to vote for Sen. Obama, fine don’t. But please don’t use really ridiculous arguments to rationalize your voting against him.

the reality is they all lie when it suits them. this year we really have no outstanding candidates for either party.

Half black socialist vs. Half woman socialist. Who cares?
Let them rip each other apart! (hehe)
McCain ’08

This is more fun than a barrel of monkeys-to watch…wish this garbage would never end; that way good well-meaning democrats would get continual flow about what the enemies of this nation are truely all about.

Obama has been a hypocrite from the start. He has just used the media to do his dirty work. He attacks in conference calls and memos and then goes out and says that he is above that kind of politics. Hillary had to do it out in the open because the media wouldn’t pick up her attacks like they did Obama’s. That is why we always thought there was a media bias. Now that the shine has come off of Obama, the media is finally seeing that. Kinda. LOL

If you really look at the facts and the baggage of the 3 candidates then McCain wins hands down.
Hillarys Bosnia lie and then joke on Leno totally eliminates her to be commander in chief. No way out of this one. She has dis-honored thousands of people that have been killed by sniper fire. She could NEVER expect any service person to respect her.
Obamas pastor and shady friends etc. eliminates him.
McCain is lucky that in an election year when a dem has a good chance of winning, they put up 2 outright losers in this race.
If this is the best that the Dems have then that party is in deep trouble.
By the time all of this ends and Obama is the nominee their party will have split down the middle.
Thank you Hillary!!

The internet is SERIOUS BUSINESS

I believe Hillary has a history of throwing White House lamps………or was that a fabrication of the vast
right wing conspiracy?

Why is it every woman in America has to be labeled with some negative tag? At the beginning of this campaign, she was to soft. Next, she was a b***h. Later she was untrustworthy and now she is a lier. The labels kept coming until one stuck.
Hillary has been doomed to fail since the 1990′s. She has taken more hits for Bill’s actions than Bill has.
Obama is and has ran a negative campaign since New Hampshire and no one seems to care. If Hillary fights back then it is all over every news media from one exploited incident to the next.
All politicians lie. For example, Obama cannot change domestic policy even though he continues to tell people that he is going to change Washington. As president, his job will be to set foregin policy. Obama says that he does not take money from lobbist but he does take money from ex-lobbist who have joined his campaign. A lobbist by any other name is still a lobbist, they still raise money from corporate contributors.

campaign organized a conference call?
who in obama’s campaign?
who was the conference call to?
cause the only facts in this story tell me it was a group that supports obama speaking out. not obama.
the way i see it hillary should be talking about substance, not attacks. true, obama is talking about attacks in a hibrow manner, but – he aint the one doing the attacking. the difference is important to me.

“Is Clinton’s Bosnia-sniper-fire story not a “distraction,” while Rezko, Wright, Ayers, Bitter-gate, and the flag pin are “distractions”?”
Well… yes. Clinton’s story was a blatant lie uttered by herself on multiple occasions. Rezko, Wright, Ayers are all ‘guilt-by-association’ efforts, the ‘bitter-gate’ incident was one badly-phrased remark which regardless had a large element of truth to it, and the flag pin? Are you kidding me?

Rev Wright is not running for President,there is a trial on for Retzco,If Obama is implicated in anything illegal,it will come to light and he will have to pay.
Comments in San Francisco are exactly that,one can either accept Obama’s explanation or not.What he said cannot be said to be immoral even if one accepts his explanation or not.
For Mr Tapper to not see the giant character flaw in someone who would continously give speeches in which a blatant LIE is repeated to make that someone look more heroic,shows Mr Tapper lack of objectivity and now blatant bias against Sen Obama, By the way which he has exhibited against Sen Obama numerous times before.Maybe he was slighted by Sen Obama before or maybe after watching the last debate,ABC has made it an unofficial policy to keep the democratic primary going for business reasons or they are simply in the tank for Sen Clinton.

Jeanie, you wrote: “If he (Sen. Obama) believed that America was populated by racists, he wouldn’t run. Duh!!”
There is so much wrong with that statement. First of all, Sen. Obama is well aware of the White Supremists groups who live in America. So it isn’t a case of believing, he knows, they are out there. He also knows, not just believes, that there are African-Americans who deeply believe in Black Liberation Theology. So Sen. Obama KNOWS that America IS populated by racists. They may not be in the majority, but they are out there none the less. And he IS still running for the office of President of the United States.
Now then, I don’t know whether Sen. Obama, personally, believes in Black Liberation Theology or not. But I find it very difficult to accept that a person who has been surrounded by Black Liberation theologists for nearly all of his adult life, can be totally oblivious to the tenants of the movement. It’s nothing like the case that you point out regarding Sen. Clinton (if true). She didn’t have a choice. Her father was her father. But in Sen. Obama’s case he CHOSE to surround himself with individuals who believe, support and actively promote Black Liberation Theology.
People have a right to believe the way they want to. However if someone is running for the office of President of the United States, the electorate has a right to know whether a candidate is a White Supremist or a believer in Black Liberation Theology.

It’s not only insulting to the military but also to civilians that have been hurt or killed by sniper fire. MLK for one and all the innocent people caught in the crossfire of inner city gangs etc. If ANY military officer ever lied and then joked about sniper fire they would be discharged immediatly. The commander in chief should be held to an even higher standard. Hillary has disqualified herself for being pres. I believe that she should be kicked out of the senate for her lie and joke about it. Ask the families that lost loved ones to sniper fire. They must be furious with Hillary. On MLK’s anniversary Hillary was all teary eyed. Now a couple of weeks later she is joking about the very thing that killed him!! Ask Ted Kennedy what he went through after his brothers were killed by snipers.

Ou Tai:
I agree with you. Also, it should be noted the Hillary served on the board of Wal-Mart where her main function was the do all she can to suppress any efforts by the employee to establish a union. She succeeded: there is no union at Wal-Mart even today.

Jackie:
Hillary did not just “embellish the landing at Bosnia,” she told an elaborate, bald-faced lie that she had given a lot of thought to. She told this lie on at least three (3) separate occasions. Thank God for Sinbad for revealing this lie. And when Hillary was first questioned about it, she said: “Well you know Sinbad’s a comedian,” and just laughed it off. She had the nerve to laugh it off again on Jay Leno.
What moral posture does she have to lay the wreath at the tomb of the unknown soldier on Memorial Day – none.

So what? Obama has been throwing the toilet at Clinto 3 to 1. Why is no one asking where Obama is getting all him monies. Americans know that its not from average Americans. I don’t know many Americans that can afford $1,000 (50% of all Obama donations).
ABC had one American that has given each month $50. This is a bit short of $1,000. This means that 241,000 donors gave Obams $1,000. This is allot of average Americans but not those that make the average American pay.

It’s so easy to confuse getting shot at by snipers with receiving a poem of peace from an eight-year-old. Natural mistake. Just ask Hillarious.

How about this, since my post was removed. In answer to jbate, you totally did not read my first post. I’ll reword my 2nd post in the form of a question and hopefully someone who knows will answer. Is it illegal to burn the American flag?