Obama Responds
In Terre Haute, Ind., tonight at a town hall meeting, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., responded to the “town hall” controversy.
“When I go around and I talk to people there is frustration and there is anger and there is bitterness,” he said. “And what’s worse is when people are expressing their anger, then politicians try to say what are you angry about? This just happened – I want to make a point here today.
“I was in San Francisco talking to a group at a fundraiser and somebody asked how’re you going to get votes in Pennsylvania? What’s going on there? We hear that it’s hard for some working-class people to get behind your campaign. I said, well look, they’re frustrated and for good reason. Because for the last 25 years they’ve seen jobs shipped overseas. They’ve seen their economies collapse. They have lost their jobs. They have lost their pensions. They have lost their healthcare.
“And for 25, 30 years Democrats and Republicans have come before them and said we’re going to make your community better. We’re going to make it right and nothing ever happens. And of course they’re bitter. Of course they’re frustrated. You would be too. In fact many of you are. Because the same thing has happened here in Indiana. The same thing happened across the border in Decatur. The same thing has happened all across the country. Nobody is looking out for you. Nobody is thinking about you. And so people end up; they don’t vote on economic issues because they don’t expect anybody’s going to help them. So people end up, you know, voting on issues like guns, and are they going to have the right to bear arms. They vote on issues like gay marriage. And they take refuge in their faith and their community and their families and things they can count on. But they don’t believe they can count on Washington. So I made this statement — so, here’s what rich Senator Clinton says, ‘No, I don’t think that people are bitter in Pennsylvania. You know, I think Barack’s being condescending.’ John McCain says, ‘Oh, how could he say that? How could he say people are bitter? You know, he’s obviously out of touch with people.’
“Out of touch? Out of touch? I mean, John McCain — it took him three tries to finally figure out that the home foreclosure crisis was a problem and to come up with a plan for it, and he’s saying I’m out of touch? Senator Clinton voted for a credit card-sponsored bankruptcy bill that made it harder for people to get out of debt after taking money from the financial services companies, and she says I’m out of touch? No, I’m in touch. I know exactly what’s going on. I know what’s going on in Pennsylvania. I know what’s going on in Indiana. I know what’s going on in Illinois. People are fed up. They’re angry and they’re frustrated and they’re bitter. And they want to see a change in Washington and that’s why I’m running for President of the United States of America.”
He didn’t really address the part of his comments in which he said these “bitter” small-town folks were grabbing their guns and religion and antipathies.
What do you think?
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He didn’t really address the part of his comments in which he said these “bitter” small-town folks were grabbing their guns and religion and antipathies.
Glad you noticed that, Jake!
Posted by: Peter | April 11, 2008, 9:35 pm 9:35 pm
yes he did. He said they VOTE those issues instead of economic issues because they have lost faith on the $$ issues.
Posted by: melissa | April 11, 2008, 9:39 pm 9:39 pm
I think he DID address his comments clearly. Did you READ what he said?
I honestly don’t see how you could read his statement, and then end with your last paragraph. What is it you wanted? What is it you want?
Posted by: r. d. | April 11, 2008, 9:39 pm 9:39 pm
Well, Jake and Peter, he didn’t really SAY “the part” “in which he said (sic) these ‘bitter’ small-town folks were grabbing their guns and religion and antipathies.”
I think he did address his comments in that he added perspective that the out-of-context quotes left out.
And he also addressed the fact that neither Hillabeans or McBush are in touch enough with these folks to criticize his perspective.
Obama 2008 — Yes, WE CAN!!!
Posted by: Jackt51 -- Vietnam Vet and Proud Liberal | April 11, 2008, 9:40 pm 9:40 pm
OMG, Jake…Are you kidding? He didn’t address that??? What in the world is wrong with you?
“And so people end up; they don’t vote on economic issues because they don’t expect anybody’s going to help them. So people end up, you know, voting on issues like guns, and are they going to have the right to bear arms. They vote on issues like gay marriage. And they take refuge in their faith and their community and their families and things they can count on. But they don’t believe they can count on Washington.”
Good God, Jake. Seriously. It’s plain as day. There is the context. There is the substance. Come on!
Posted by: Plain as Day | April 11, 2008, 9:41 pm 9:41 pm
“RACE SPEECH” PART TWO!
Posted by: Mike | April 11, 2008, 9:44 pm 9:44 pm
“Out of touch? Out of touch? I mean, John McCain — ”
LOOK AT JOHN MCCAIN! LOOK AT JOHN MCCAIN! LOOK AT JOHN MCCAIN! LOOK AT JOHN MCCAIN!
It seems desperate!
Posted by: John | April 11, 2008, 9:46 pm 9:46 pm
Yes next week Obama will give a speech on poverty and small town life written by some skilled Harvard professor and the entire media will get mesmerized with the speech. Also all the super delegates will say this was the best speech they have heard in the last 300 years.
Good job Obama. Get some tonic.
Posted by: GS | April 11, 2008, 9:46 pm 9:46 pm
Another sidestep of the issue by Obama. Thank God somebody bothered to record the audio of that statement so we can enjoy it for days and months to come. Interesting that small town Pennsylvanians cling to religion among other things out of the bitterness they feel. And yet Obama spent almost half of his life mesmerized by his bigot pastor because the alleged reverend was otherwise a brilliant man? Leave it to Obama to elevate his reasons for participating in religion while denigrating everybody else.
Posted by: Mary | April 11, 2008, 9:46 pm 9:46 pm
“grabbing their guns and religion and antipathies.”
??????????????????????/
He never said they were grabbing their guns, did he? He said they turn to other issues like guns and religion because they know that political promises on the economy are just fluff.
Jake missed the mark on this one.
Posted by: Rolfolff | April 11, 2008, 9:46 pm 9:46 pm
I sure wish we still had Edwards.He understood and was not pathietic like Hillary and Bill. I have doubts about McCain too, I don’t want Bush III. Obama needs to do more than this. I may end up voting for Nader.
Posted by: Sharon | April 11, 2008, 9:47 pm 9:47 pm
Drove around the mansions of Santa Barbara on Tuesday and all I saw were Obama 08 signs.
Dream on, folks, if you think Obama is ever going to help working class people.
Posted by: Bob Boardman | April 11, 2008, 9:47 pm 9:47 pm
@michael
Did Joe Biden ever become President?
and this barely came out TODAY. lol.
Where is your comparison?
Posted by: Bobby | April 11, 2008, 9:48 pm 9:48 pm
These “bitter” small-town folks were grabbing their guns and religion and antipathies means “they VOTE those issues instead of economic issues because they have lost faith on the $$ issues“
Give me a break, you Obama supporter.s
Posted by: Beth | April 11, 2008, 9:48 pm 9:48 pm
@ Rolfolff
“He never said they were grabbing their guns, did he? ”
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You’re right.
OBAMA SAID “CLINGING” TO THEIR GUNS.
Posted by: Bobby | April 11, 2008, 9:51 pm 9:51 pm
Here’s Obama: “I know what’s going on in Pennsylvania. I know what’s going on in Indiana. I know what’s going on in Illinois. People are fed up. They’re angry and they’re frustrated and they’re bitter. And they want to see a change in Washington and that’s why I’m running for President of the United States of America.”
Posted by: TK | April 11, 2008, 9:54 pm 9:54 pm
I dont know if he really addressed the comments, but I don’t think it will satisfy anyone who is upset by this.
Personally, I think he has no way to get out of this. It is after all what he thinks.
Posted by: Joan | April 11, 2008, 9:54 pm 9:54 pm
@ TK
You forgot the CRUCIAL part where he looked down on middle class and lower class Pennsylvanians.
Posted by: Sam | April 11, 2008, 9:57 pm 9:57 pm
@ TK
You forgot the CRUCIAL part where he looked down on middle class and lower class Pennsylvanians.
Posted by: Sam | April 11, 2008, 9:57 pm 9:57 pm
The thing about Obama is that we’ve never before had a candidate that draws support from every sector of society.
From billionaires to the mom on welfare. Black people and white people. Professionals and blue collar workers. Farmers and metrosexuals. Conservatives and liberals.
His biggest asset is also his biggest liability…HONESTY. It’s an asset because it draws those in who are tired of the same-old song and dance. It’s a liability because the media and the Washington establishment don’t know how to respond. It’s all new to them.
That’s why we see someone like Jake Tapper focus on the questions that don’t matter to distract people from the substance. They are too frightened to see that what Obama is saying is true. Because it is true. People in rural parts of the midwest are angry with government because government hasn’t addressed their economic needs. So what have they done? They’ve looked for other issues (such as religion, immigration, and guns) to determine the way they are going to vote.
If the Jake Tappers and Ben Smith’s of the world would simply leave the confines of NYC, DC, and LA to go see what life is like for Americans living in the heartland, they might actually see what Obama is talking about.
Jake, you are doing your readers/viewers a tremendous disservice with your inaccurate and inadequate reporting on this blog.
Posted by: Stephen MacGee (rural Ohio) | April 11, 2008, 9:59 pm 9:59 pm
Notice he doesn’t talk about why he said they “cling” to religion. As if their faith was not based on sincere belief, but on bitterness.
Posted by: EV | April 11, 2008, 9:59 pm 9:59 pm
Dam, Dam Dam
That man can speak the truth:
And weak Americans can not “STAND THE TRUTH”
STAND UP STRONG AMERICANS, AND LEAD THE WEAK AMERICANS TO PROSPERITY.
Not bleeding from High Gas, Lost of a roof over their heads, Not from no Health Ins., Not from their Sons and Daughters dying in Iraq, Not from American Job going over Sea, while we still pay top prices as if they were produced here in America.
Obama for President, a man of TRUTH, that refuses to back away from the Truth.
Posted by: American9 | April 11, 2008, 10:00 pm 10:00 pm
Jake: “he said these “bitter” small-town folks were grabbing their guns”
Excuse me? Jake, what happened to you? He never said that! Please reread the original conmments.
Grabbing their guns? It was about gun rights as an issue, Jake.
BTW, Obama supports gun rights, as a staunch advocate of the American Constitution. Which doesn’t mean (I’m glad to say) that he doesn’t believe in some form of gun control as part of our fight against crime.
Posted by: ken | April 11, 2008, 10:01 pm 10:01 pm
This is exactly what he warned his surrogates about – being “CAREFUL”. Wink-wink.
Unfortunately he himself was not careful to hide what he really thinks about us bitter, working class Americans who CLING to our guns, religion, etc. out of sheer frustration.
For a supposedly eloquent speaker, he does come off arrogant and tactless. We know what he means, but he never fails to condescend.
Yup, unite us with your great speech oh chosen one! We’re not worthy!
Posted by: ObamaCult | April 11, 2008, 10:08 pm 10:08 pm
Hillary needs to hit him with, if Obama is not rich how can he afford a 1.6 million dollar house.
Posted by: Tina D | April 11, 2008, 10:11 pm 10:11 pm
Wow!
Obama is going to accomplish exactly what he needed to do with this speech. See, there was no video of the San Francisco remark, just some poor quality audio. Now he’s given all the networks some first rate video to play all weekend. If they play this new speech next to Clinton and McCain’s remarks then Obama will come through this thing unscathed because he looks and sounds great in that clip and he makes both McCain and Clinton look out of touch with the economic realities of small town America.
If you had told me an hour ago that I’d be writing that now I wouldn’t have believed you.
Posted by: Jeff | April 11, 2008, 10:13 pm 10:13 pm
This feels like a Macacca moment, but then again, I thought the Wright thing would sink him.. so what do I know? The press will probably forgive him and the liberals in the DNC will cram him down are throats. But a little voice in my head is telling me Hillary is our only hope.
Posted by: A reader in Georgia | April 11, 2008, 10:14 pm 10:14 pm
you know when you have gone to private schools,been indoctranated in marxist antiamerican thought,gone to a black liberation church that thinks were all typical white people,its natural not to understand small town america and their value system and their culture and forms of recreation.he doesnt have a clue and with this statement he let the curtin fall to show his true beleifs.
Posted by: don tufts | April 11, 2008, 10:31 pm 10:31 pm
You’ve got to give it to Barack. Whatever you think of this guy, he is a skilled spin-master. I really believe at the end of the day, this might help this dude. Imagine that. Obama is for the little guy. Clinton and McCain and worth hundreds of millions. The truth is that poor folks are not optimistic like Clinton claimed. They are angry and pissed off.
Posted by: Kevin | April 11, 2008, 10:32 pm 10:32 pm
Obama did not grow up in poverty. He spent most of grade school and all of high school in posh private schools in Hawaii while living with his grandparents. From prep school, he went to Occidental College and transferred to Columbia so he could say his degree came from an Ivy League school. Law school was Harvard. Certainly not in poverty. It is bad enough that Obama lies about himself but it is really pathetic that others simply make up stuff about him.
Posted by: Mary | April 11, 2008, 10:32 pm 10:32 pm
Clinton, McCain ———–RICH??
Obama RAKES IN 55 MILLIOn in FEBRUARY!
THEN HE RAKES IN 40 MILLION in MARCH.
HELLO……….MARS to OBOMBMA
Obomba is the one BITTER…. BITTER cause this isn’t over(and with all this money he still hasn’t closed the nomination), BITTER cause his momma left him during his Teenage years, BITTER —- during his early years when he found himself in Rev. Wright’s church….Bitter and hateful to Typical White Folks….
When folks themselves are angry or hateful— they think the rest of the world is awful and full of blight…..when they are happy— they think the whole world is a happy place and they want to SHARE THE JOY AND LOVE—- OBOMBA wants to SHARE how he feels……BITTER…RACIST….SUPERFICIAL….. and his wife isn’t too far behind him on this belief….
Posted by: carpenter.nyc | April 11, 2008, 10:33 pm 10:33 pm
Obama is an elitist, arrogant, out-of-touch buffoon. What a looser!
Posted by: JennyC | April 11, 2008, 10:33 pm 10:33 pm
Jake, I wish you would elaborate on your opinion.
I think he DID really address the part of his comments in which he said these “bitter” small-town folks were grabbing their guns and religion and antipathies.
Right here:
“So people end up, you know, voting on issues like guns, and are they going to have the right to bear arms. They vote on issues like gay marriage. And they take refuge in their faith and their community and their families and things they can count on. But they don’t believe they can count on Washington.”
Posted by: Andy E | April 11, 2008, 10:34 pm 10:34 pm
FEELS LIKE THE CHICKENS ARE COMING HOME TO ROOST!
Posted by: br | April 11, 2008, 10:34 pm 10:34 pm
Nothing will change when any one of these three candidates get into the office.
Congress will continue to be the way it is now….etc etc
The Elected President and their family will be the only ones with– a– LIFE CHANGED…… money and power….thats what these candidates want.
BUT —- We have the POWER FIRST—- Power to choose who we think DESERVES this COVETED POSITION…..
OBOMBA and WIFE needs to go back to where they came from….Chicago — back into the house that REZKO BUILT…lol
Posted by: carpenter.nyc | April 11, 2008, 10:55 pm 10:55 pm
when times are bad people do turn to religion –
this is factually borne out by attendence in churches and synagogues after painful events -
and further borne out by increased attendence at religious services in bad economic times
As for Sen Obama’s statement?
It is correct –
This is a country that can pay attention and is ready for someone who is also paying attention–
I have heard Grover Norquist (on the McCain side) and Robert Zimmerman (on the Hillary side) both tonight called Sen Obama’s statement “the end of his campaign”–
These are the people who are out of touch – people whose government has deserted them are bitter and rightfully so –
It is Sen Obama who gets this way better than the $109 million couple and the beer heiress’ husband
Posted by: alison | April 11, 2008, 10:56 pm 10:56 pm
Andrea
If he is arrogant for calling Clinton rich, is she arrogant for calling him elitist and out of touch? I mean, this argument swings both ways my dear. It does. As an Obama supporter, my problem with him is that this “new politics” BS has made him look weak. Clinton slaps him around everyday and he says nothing. I want to see him fight for this nomination. She insults him everyday, saying that he is not ready, only she is ready. Isn’t that arrogant? Andrea, you sound like a smart lady, but please, let’s be fair here. All these politicians are arrogant. McCain is arrogant, Clinton is arrogant, and Obama is arrogant. It takes a certain amount of arrogance to think you are the only person best qualified to be President.
Posted by: Kevin | April 11, 2008, 10:57 pm 10:57 pm
TO THE MEDIA: Don’t even try to spin these remarks.
Look at the venue where they were delivered – an audience of upscale California supporters.
Obama has revealed his essential elitist nature – he’s arrogant, cynical and when we consider Michelle Obama’s statements – most of us average americans will “get” exactly what he meant the first time.
Can you tell I’m furious that this inexperienced, arrogant man has almost succeeded in pulling the wool over our eyes?
Posted by: s. valenti | April 11, 2008, 10:58 pm 10:58 pm
Akadad, the question though is will Obama turn this issue around at the expense of the small town Pennsylvanians – whose support he needs in the next 10 days.
Posted by: s. valenti | April 11, 2008, 11:07 pm 11:07 pm
Kevin, with your talent for spinning, it’s a wonder TEAMOBAMA hasn’t brought you on board.
Posted by: s. valenti | April 11, 2008, 11:08 pm 11:08 pm
s. valenti
For all it faults, Obama’s church is legendary in Chicago for their community outreach program. You hear me? Legendary. Do your research.
Posted by: Kevin | April 11, 2008, 11:09 pm 11:09 pm
Kevin, my question, though, is what has Obama done specifically to advance his church’s social mission. You know, volunteer work? his legislative record that reflects the mission of his church (not the part of course that anarchistic).
So, what do you have to say to that!
Posted by: s. valenti | April 11, 2008, 11:12 pm 11:12 pm
Are all you Obama bashers suggesting that some folks are not bitter? Are you all suggesting that some people haven’t been left behind? Are you all suggesting that the guys that rip off this country with conflicts of interest like the $15 million dollar a year earners like the Clintons or Chaney with his $6 million or Bush with his $1 million a year haven’t sold ordinary people down the river? What are you all smoking?
Ans you get taken in by the garbage that reporters like Jake Tapper spew out to get you distracted from your real interests.
Keep it up all of you Neros fiddling while you are putting the torch to this great country.
Keep it up. That’s the politics of rational thinking we all need and wantg. More. More. More. Goad people on. Make them hear everything that gets said that’s serious in a totally distorted way. You are utterly irresponsible, Mr. Tapper and a good thing that Obama is smart enough to call you and the braying hounds on the garbage and the political swill you peddle.
Posted by: Annabella | April 11, 2008, 11:26 pm 11:26 pm
Mary
Did i ever say Obama was legendary in Chicago? Perhaps you should go back and reread what i wrote before yapping your big mouth.
Posted by: Kevin | April 11, 2008, 11:28 pm 11:28 pm
Kevin, you are caught in the spin cycle. It’s not about him describing bitterness, frustration or anger but rather him asserting that the CAUSE of folks belief in God, Gun rights, Economic policies, etc. is the RESULT of bitterness. He is saying if you weren’t poor and bitter you’d not have these beliefs.
Posted by: jb | April 11, 2008, 11:28 pm 11:28 pm
disgusted: you wrote the best post i’ve ever read on this site.
and greta? i don’t know the right terms – but i agree. there are issues to get excited about, but 6 threads on a paragraph from a talk in silicon valley is just plain strange. i’m still waiting for some kind of discussion on john mccain’s health care plan – something that will actually hit millions of americans…..
Posted by: Mara | April 11, 2008, 11:29 pm 11:29 pm
Obama also did not pass any legislation in Chicago since he was never a member of city council. The fact is that when he was a member of the state senate, which was after his supposed stint as a community organizer, he did not pass any legislation until his very last year when the entire state congress was controlled by democrats. Before that, he spent a few years in the state senate where he was not instrumental in passing anything. He then was taken under the wing of Emil Jones, the president of the state senate, who decided to promote him and gave him “softball” types of legislation to sponsor in an all-democratic state senate. There was no crossing the aisle or even exhibiting any type of negotiating skills.
Posted by: Mary | April 11, 2008, 11:29 pm 11:29 pm
Lauren,
I like that you are copying my style. Nobody listens, though, if you commit fraud with your postings, and steal copyrighted material.
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Obama, dealing with bitter voters!
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Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | April 11, 2008, 11:29 pm 11:29 pm
Somehow Kevin I don’t think that Obama’s efforts to revamp the criminal justice system are going to resonate with Philadelphia voters very concerned about the uptick in crime.
I daresay that Obama’s work on behalf of offenders won’t resonate either in North Carolina – where citizens were repulsed by the senseless, brutal murders of two college students by two low life, repeat offenders.
Posted by: s. valenti | April 11, 2008, 11:32 pm 11:32 pm
From the bottom of my heart, I feel sorry for the people that cannot hear what Obama is saying. Why?
Are you a racist?
Are you a feminist for Hillary?
Are you a Republican so blind you don’t see they have trashed our country?
What is the source of your hate?
But, you will not win this time.
No matter how much mud you sling.
No matter how many lies you write.
No matter the swiftboating you try.
We’re all very serious about Obama. We will get the truth out. We will defeat your lies this time.
We will move forward.
Posted by: JB | April 11, 2008, 11:32 pm 11:32 pm
s. valenti
Only children actually believe that spin and BS that Obama is a different kind of politician. He might be a different kind of person, but politics has rules and the winner is the one that plays the best within those rules. All these politicians have advisors and consultants and image specialists being paid millions of dolars to tell them what to do and say and how to smile and behave and not one single detail is left untouched. If any politician, even if he or her were clean as Jesus, campaigned as who they really are, that person will not win a single state. Wake up kids. This is politics and it will never change until maybe the next coming of Christ.
Posted by: Kevin | April 11, 2008, 11:33 pm 11:33 pm
Obama, I think most of us would call a 1.6 million dollar home rich.
Posted by: Tina D | April 11, 2008, 11:34 pm 11:34 pm
Right back at you, Kevin. Next time do your research before you start just making stuff up about your messiah.
Posted by: Mary | April 11, 2008, 11:34 pm 11:34 pm
jb
I don’t think most Americans see Obama’s comments the way you see them. I mean how could they? Obama himself is a devout Christian. If he saw things the way you claim he sees them, then he would also be insulting himself and his wife and his entire family. That’s really beyond stupid IMO.
Posted by: Kevin | April 11, 2008, 11:36 pm 11:36 pm
Fellow Pennsylvania peeps, down with Obama before it’s too late. Vote Hillary
Posted by: Jacko | April 11, 2008, 11:37 pm 11:37 pm
Mary
What is your point? Did Obama sponsor legislation to change the sentencing laws in Chicago or not? Did he sponsor legislation for ethics reform? Is his church a pillar of the community in South Side Chicago? If your answers to these questions are yes, then i’ve made my point.
Posted by: Kevin | April 11, 2008, 11:39 pm 11:39 pm
JB,
Oh, right, if we don’t buy Barack’s pure b.s. we’re haters, or rascists. It can’t be that we recognize an elitist bonehead from Harvard, that trips over his tounge, and then tries to tickle our ears to make us forget it.
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Barack the magic dragon, trips on his tounge! Then gives us his tounglieness to make us feel free!
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Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | April 11, 2008, 11:40 pm 11:40 pm
Wait just one second, Kevin. You’re admitting that he’s just like every other politician? Huh? Then what’s his ‘hook’?, his ‘gimmick’.
If Obama is just like all the others, then why would we vote for an inexperienced, untested guy who’s been associated with a racist, anti-american minister for 20 years and whose wife constantly “disses” the United States?
Has TEAMOBAMA authorized you to unmask this guy who’s raised all this money under false pretenses?
Posted by: s. valenti | April 11, 2008, 11:40 pm 11:40 pm
If the Obama critics don’t believe people are bitter and upset then you are out of touch.
I’m bitter that when I opposed invading Iraq I had my patriotism questioned. I’m bitter that there’s a war criminal running this country. I’m bitter that people didn’t listen to us Liberals who’ve been correct on so many issues.
Posted by: AkaDad | April 11, 2008, 11:40 pm 11:40 pm
Tina D
My house is expensive, but i am not rich. I make payments on the loan on my house, just like Obama does. Rich folks don’t finance $1.6 million homes. They buy them outright. Ask Hillary and McCain.
Posted by: Kevin | April 11, 2008, 11:41 pm 11:41 pm
Kevin and JB,
‘and it is not surprising that they cling to guns and religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them, or anti-immigrant or anti-trade as a way to explain their frustration.’
That’s the pertinent part. You’re getting caught up in the length of his statement so let’s shorten it a bit: “It’s not surprising they cling to religion.”
There is simply no other way to interpret what he’s saying that doesn’t use rose-colored glasses. He made a VALUE statement and it is clear that he feels that folks cling to these values that he disagrees with BECAUSE as he says, they are bitter. It’s insulting to say that ANYONE derives their values or beliefs because they are simply ignorant or poor.
Posted by: jb | April 11, 2008, 11:42 pm 11:42 pm
Folks, Kevin might not agree, but I think what we’re seeing is the equivalent of Howard Dean’s YEOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH moment from 2004 when his brilliant campaign imploded right before our eyes.
Couldn’t happen to a more arrogant, elitist guy than Obama.
Posted by: s. valenti | April 11, 2008, 11:44 pm 11:44 pm
I think many people in Florida and Michigan do angry because Obama doesn’t want their voices be heard even a revote.
Posted by: stock_craft | April 11, 2008, 11:44 pm 11:44 pm
Kevin –
If you read my prior post you would know that he did not sponsor any type of legislation to change the sentencing laws in Chicago because he was not in a position to do so. Any type of supposed ethics legislation that he sponsored was as part of Emil Jones’ promotion of him in a one-sided state senate, as I said before. Characterizing that supposed church as a pillar of the south side of Chicago is questionnable at best. So my answers are no, no and most likely no as well. On the last issue that you have raised, if you live in Chicago, as I do, you know that there are a variety of churches on the south side that all claim to be pillars of their communities. Your suggestion that this crackpot church of his is singled out by Chicagoans as this beacon of charity and hope is missplaced.
Posted by: Mary | April 11, 2008, 11:44 pm 11:44 pm
I think many people in Florida and Michigan do angry because Obama doesn’t want their voices be heard even a revote. Obama should change himself and his Church before talking about changing Washington.
Posted by: stock_craft | April 11, 2008, 11:47 pm 11:47 pm
S. Valenti,
This is better than a yeoooooohhhh moment. Barack didn’t just shoot himself in his foot, he blew his own kneecap off with a sawed off shotgun. He lost 15 points in Pennsylvania with that statement.
I really thought that it would be Rezko or Wright that would take him down. I didn’t know that it would be his own mouth.
Makes sense, though, you live by the word, you die by the word.
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Just words, baby, just words!
Barack Obama used up his golden ticket!
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Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | April 11, 2008, 11:47 pm 11:47 pm
Kevin, is your house worth 1.6 million. Clinton, Mccain and Obama are all rich. Obama wants us to think he is different.
Posted by: Tina D | April 11, 2008, 11:48 pm 11:48 pm
Well Kevin, glad you brought up “rich” folks and home financing.
Our governor, Deval Patrick, the Obama clone and stalking horse – also an Axelrod creation – is supposedly rich – but now, we’re thinking he might not be too smart. In addition to his decining popularity (poll numbers don’t look too good today for him), he’s carrying a whopping $ 30,000 PER MONTH mortgage on his mega mansion.
The day the centerpiece of his economic stimulus package went down in flames in a DEMOCRATICALLY controlled legislature, he didn’t stick around to thank his surrogates who valiantly tried to keep his plan alive. No, he was busy packing for a trip to New York trying to sell his autobiography – expect it to be flimsy. Like Obama, he has no record.
There is much speculation in Massachusetts that in addition to losing interest in the job as Governor, his salary is pretty limited and his wife who unfortunately suffered a nervous breakdown (had difficulty handling the stress of all the early criticisms leveled at them) hasn’t been able to return to her high paying job.
Anyway, there are so-called rich people – friends of Obama actually – who do carry outsize, obscene mortgages on homes that the rest of us couldn’t even dream of. Let me revise that, wouldn’t even dream of.
Posted by: s. valenti | April 11, 2008, 11:54 pm 11:54 pm
Trent,
when those good people in Indiana realize the subtext of Obama’s remarks, they’ll be furious with Obama -who tried to bamboozle them.
Posted by: s. valenti | April 11, 2008, 11:57 pm 11:57 pm
“He didn’t really address the part of his comments in which he said these “bitter” small-town folks were grabbing their guns and religion and antipathies.”
Probably because that’s just media spin and not what he really said to begin with – you would know that if you read the entirety of his original comments and not just a couple paragraphs.
Posted by: Colin Hicks | April 11, 2008, 11:58 pm 11:58 pm
Correction. Obama did not call Sen. Clinton rich. Tapper left out a period between “rich” and “Senator Clinton.”
I know because I just watched the video of his making these comments to a mostly white,working class audience in Indiana. Same comments essentially as in San Franciso, with the critique of McCain and Clinton thrown in.
When he responds that he knows what is going on in Indiana, Pennsylvania, and Illinois, he gets a standing ovation.
Obama said people were bitter. It is some in the press and these posts who implied he said people were dumb. Based on the reaction in Indiana, Obama was right. They are bitter, not dumb.
Posted by: Richard | April 11, 2008, 11:58 pm 11:58 pm
Tina D
You’re right. Obama is rich like Clinton and McCain. You win.
Posted by: Kevin | April 11, 2008, 11:59 pm 11:59 pm
Jake, he didn’t address the part about grabbing their guns because never said that. He was talking about their voting choices. Not that people just go and pick up a gun or run to religion. An example of this is the 2004 election. People knew damned well George Bush was no good, but they voted for him anyway because he scared the hell out of them. Never mind what Kerry was offering because, in there mind, he wouldn’t deliver anyway. So they went with the guy who said he could protect them. He was the safer choice. Look at us now!!! People are skeptical of Obama because he is offering something different than what people are used to. This is what he was explaining to the group. That people are skeptical and he really has to work hard at getting the working class vote.
Unbelieveable that grown folks can’t read and hear what the man actually said.
Posted by: Craig - Harrisburg, PA | April 12, 2008, 12:00 am 12:00 am
Kevin,
Are you having a nervous breakdown? We really don’t want to send you over the edge. We’re only playing with YOU, it’s Obama that we can’t stand.
Posted by: s. valenti | April 12, 2008, 12:01 am 12:01 am
Kevin –
I wouldn’t dream of trying to change your position and I certainly would never call anybody, even you, a fool since name-calling generally is the last resort of someone who cannot counter facts. I object, however, to the fact that you are putting forth untruths. Citing Obama’s website establishes nothing other than the fact that you have wholly bought into his propaganda in the face of compelling facts to the contrary, which is certainly your prerogative. But it does nothing to further your unsupported allegations about Obama’s supposed credentials.
Posted by: Mary | April 12, 2008, 12:02 am 12:02 am
I can see people who love, love, love Obama will not change their minds. I can see people who hate, hate, hate Obama will not change their minds. It will be interesting to see what the undecided will do in PA.
Posted by: Tina D | April 12, 2008, 12:02 am 12:02 am
New Yorker,
That’s another lie of Obama’s – calling himself a “professor of law”. he was a lecturer.
He also called his father the “Finance Minister of Kenya” back in 1990 in a New York Times interview. His father was a bureaucrat.
Then, there are his lies about his legislative record. It goes on and on.
Posted by: s. valenti | April 12, 2008, 12:05 am 12:05 am
JB.
Some of us are white and some of us black.Some white people want to be black, and some black people want to be white . Some white people are racist , and some
black people are racist.
I m none of the above.
If you looking for hate, the hate is in Obama’s church , and in Obama.He and Michell are both haters of America.Who would ever want him as president of the USA? And Michell as first lady in the White House?
Posted by: Dragon | April 12, 2008, 12:06 am 12:06 am
Mary
I also pointed you to google. I didn’t know Obama also owned google. Why don’t you google it and prove me wrong, instead of just “claiming” that i am wrong? Mary, i give you facts. Your hate for Obama doesn’t entitle you to your own facts. Check the names of the Acts i mentioned in google and report back to me.
Posted by: Kevin | April 12, 2008, 12:06 am 12:06 am
Mary: Obamanations frequently tell you to check Obama’s web site, because Obama himself would not be able to tell you in person what his actual policies on the web site were – he would have to check with his puppet masters first in order to know what to say. Obama is the creation of David Axelrod, Deval Patrick’s campaign was the practice run, and I’m sure if some ace reporter looked into it, there are more examples of “yes we can”. The media is selling us Obama, the same way they sold us the war in Iraq. The media, and the powers that be that control the media, know better than the little, simple minded, small town people that we need Obama (or Bush left) to save our country from Republicans. What Kevin and the superdelegates don’t understand, is that Obama lost us small town people at Reverend Wright, in spite of what the fantasy polls are saying.
Posted by: rs | April 12, 2008, 12:55 am 12:55 am
Is Obama running as a independent?? I have to ask when I hear him saying for 25, 30 years Democrats and Republicans have come before them and said we’re going to make your community better. We’re going to make it right and nothing ever happens.
So what is he really saying that even if a Democrat was president in the past 30years they were a total waste of time?
Is he now slamming his own party and all the democrat presidents that went before him?
Or is Obama under the illusion that its only him as president that will do right for America and all Americans, its only he that has all the answers to fix everything.
He represents the democrat party, but yet in 30 years he feels no democrat president ever performed, amazing it sure does not show his party in a good light.
Posted by: SJ | April 12, 2008, 12:58 am 12:58 am
RS –
You’re undoubtedly correct about the media and the polling. When we had the US senate race, we didn’t have the benefit of Rev. Wright or his comments about small town people or his relationship with Rezko. With the information we had and his opponent in that race, there was no other choice. I believe, however, that the polls eventually are going to change as the American people — all of the people, not just the big city residents or the rich San Francisco people — get a chance to truly evaluate and digest all aspects of his background and its inconsistencies and shortcomings.
Posted by: Mary | April 12, 2008, 1:01 am 1:01 am
it is finally good to see a lot of people seeing obama as he truly is……an eloquent liar and facade. i cannot believe he defends his statements about people in the small towns……i live and work in one. i take great offense to his statements.
first it was rattso, then the canadian trade lies, then the endorsement by the nbpp, then the rev. wright…..what the hell else do we as americans need to see and/hear before we wake up, open our eyes, and see that hillary is the one most qualified to lead our country back to prosperity?
Posted by: carla sue | April 12, 2008, 1:05 am 1:05 am
What ticket is Obama running under, if in his own words for 25-30 years neither the republicans or democrats has ever done anything for the people then why is he running on a democrat ticket?
Maybe he should run as a independent, because as a voter if he is now telling me none of them has ever done anything for anyone why should I go vote for anyone of them again?
I may as well check my list as to else is running under another name, because I sure don’t want another set of incompetents running this country.
Posted by: SJ | April 12, 2008, 1:07 am 1:07 am
sj,
Excellent point. I guess all the democrats in the last 25-30 years have been dismal failures.
Now is that adacity? Is that arrogance? You bet it is. Just clicking around on the web and noticed that the transcripts of the legislative sessions during Obama’s tenure in IL are online. You would not believe how quiet he was. He barely ever spoke!! It is all dated and I guess you can check on the date Larry Sinclair alleges x,y,z. I have only checked on part of one year.
The guy was a wall flower on the floor anyway.
Here is the link:
http://www.ilga.gov/previousga.asp?GA=90
Posted by: countallthevotes | April 12, 2008, 1:10 am 1:10 am
Andrea: Don’t worry about it, that happens all the time just keep posting and don’t take it personal.
Posted by: SJ | April 12, 2008, 1:12 am 1:12 am
Obama must not be very bright because if he is going to ridicule his own party he better hope that no strong independent candidate enters this race because he just gave them enough ammunition to fill a cannon.
Posted by: SJ | April 12, 2008, 1:16 am 1:16 am
Obama did say and here is what RICH Clinton said it was not made up and put in the by Jack, the NY times also has the same line and I don’t think they also made up the word RICH too.
Posted by: SJ | April 12, 2008, 1:25 am 1:25 am
@ Sj,
Ya, Obama is the Change Himself, We Barack, the King of..
Obama opts out to accept public funds as he had big success raising a lot of monies through moveon.org and …
“I would like to see a system preserved, and I intend, if I am the nominee, to have conversations with Senator McCain about how to move forward in a way that doesn’t allow third parties to overwhelm the system.” (barack Obama) ________________________________________
Posted by: magda | April 12, 2008, 1:29 am 1:29 am
I must say that I find it bizarre that as horrible as Bush has been, McCain has courted his endorsement and carries his banner. Yet Obama slams the Clinton Administration every chance he gets, though Clinton finished with approvals in the 60s and has an impressive record of accomplishment. Is this the stance you take if you want to unify the Democratic Party — trashing its successful past. If he’s not proud of the Dem Party’s record, why is he running as a Democrat?
Posted by: hopesprings52 | April 12, 2008, 1:37 am 1:37 am
I do believe the “rich Clinton” line is really going off now, I don’t think anyone in America ever felt that the Clintons were not well off or at least above the standard of the average family.
In the same fashion just as Edwards,Romeny, Bush, Kennedy and hosts of others that ever ran in this race.
To keep stressing that the Clintons are rich does sound rather bitter on his part, as he himself with the help of Rezko wanted to live in a 1.6 million dollar house.
I am sure he does not classify his self as middle class or poor, Obama needs to take a deep look at his lifestyle before he starts throwing stones at others.
Posted by: SJ | April 12, 2008, 1:39 am 1:39 am
“it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to the people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.” (Barack Obama about PA voters at the fund raiser in San Francisco)
Posted by: magda | April 12, 2008, 1:40 am 1:40 am
Exactly I have never seen any Republican candidate slam their party or slam other Republicans as I have seen Obama doing.
It really leaves me to wonder how much of a democrat he really is or if he feels he is running under his own agenda and the democrat party is just a stepping stone to make this possible.
It’s just disgraceful he has the endorsement of so many democrats and yet he is spitting on his own party and what ever they have tried to do for the past 30 years, I really hope some of them call him to question on that.
Posted by: SJ | April 12, 2008, 1:44 am 1:44 am
I am bitter and that is the truth. Most bloggers here are bitter!! face it.
Posted by: james | April 12, 2008, 1:44 am 1:44 am
Hillary jumped on this. She is an oppurtunist. Obama has not jumped on her Bosnla and NAFTA issue. She has made it a habit. same old politics. I am bitter..
Posted by: james | April 12, 2008, 1:46 am 1:46 am
We are bitter!!!
Posted by: james | April 12, 2008, 1:47 am 1:47 am
What do you mean, “he didn’t address his comments on guns and religion”…He certainly did in his followup comments after the right wing and mainstream (starting to wonder if there is a difference) press screamed bloody murder. What he didn’t do was address it to your satisfaction, as this is your lynchpin angle of blowing another soundbite out of proportion. Once again, Jake Tapper’s agenda is showing. It’s hard enough running against both McCain and Clinton, but also against a rabid group of “journalists” hungry for an “aha, gotcha!” moment.
Posted by: tdub | April 12, 2008, 1:48 am 1:48 am
Right Obama and his supporters are bitter, but you all are missing the point Hillary and her supporters are not bitter,we and our candidate is just BETTER!!!
Posted by: SJ | April 12, 2008, 1:49 am 1:49 am
it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to the people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.” (Barack Obama about PA voters at the fund raiser in San Francisco)
IT SOUND LIKE rev. JEREMIAH WRIGHT AUDACITY OF HOPE SPEECH. In other words, HUssein Osama think that’s OK these rednecks cling to guns or religion or antipathy to the people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations
WHAT KIND OF PRESIDENT TO SUGGEST THAT?
Posted by: Tindh | April 12, 2008, 1:51 am 1:51 am
This is the kind of attack that Hillary has to make to keep attention away from the Bill and Hillary Bosnia Lie-athon. Maybe people in small towns that had jobs dry up actually are bitter, but not in the pretend Clinton universe. They should learn how to give speeches and go earn $109M over the course of 7 years. I can’t wait till this mendacious, avaricious pair is finally on the sidelines where they belong.
Posted by: james | April 12, 2008, 1:56 am 1:56 am
Its about time we have someone like Obama to tell it like it is. I don’t need or want a apology from Obama for telling the truth. He’s not running on behalf of old politics. He running on behalf on “NEW” politics. I am bitter that jobs are being shipped away, gas prices are skyrocking food is expensive….Come on everyone the media is and i repeat “IS” going to blow this out of context. Trust your gut instincts and vote for CHANGE.
OBAMA ’08…steve
Posted by: james | April 12, 2008, 1:59 am 1:59 am
I have few problems with Barack: “I would have…”, “what I really meant was..”, “it was taken out of context…”, etc..
From a Harvard graduate statements I would expect coherence and precision.
Posted by: magda | April 12, 2008, 2:02 am 2:02 am
What is wrong with someone saying we are bitter that our jobs are shipped abroad. It is the truth. How many of us get our paycheck and can’t afford our mortgages…We are bitter. I am bitter
Posted by: james | April 12, 2008, 2:07 am 2:07 am
““It’s the influx of illegals into places where they’ve never seen a Hispanic influence before,” McCain told me. “You probably see more emotion in Iowa than you do in Arizona on this issue. I was in a town in Iowa, and twenty years ago there were no Hispanics in the town. Then a meatpacking facility was opened up. Now twenty per cent of their population is Hispanic. There were senior citizens there who were—‘concerned’ is not the word. They see this as an assault on their culture, what they view as an impact on what have been their traditions in Iowa, in the small towns in Iowa. So you get questions like ‘Why do I have to punch 1 for English?’ ‘Why can’t they speak English?’ It’s become larger than just the fact that we need to enforce our borders.” McCain to The New Yorker.
“About 1.17 million Pennsylvanians were receiving food stamps as of February, said Linda Blanchette, deputy secretary for income maintenance at the state Department of Public Welfare.
That’s up 4.4 percent from 1.12 million in the 2006-07 fiscal year. More than 56,000 people a month applied for food stamps between March of last year and February, the department said.
“Pennsylvania is not one of the states that is technically at a record high, but it’s very close,” said Dorothy Rosenbaum, senior policy analyst at the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities in Washington. ” Pittsburgh Tribune Review.
So in a world out of their control, some people draw closer to them things which they feel they can control, and that which they feel will protect them. And since the Republicans and NeoCons created this economic mess, is it any surprise they are trying to run away from the blame? Obama is right, even with the symbols he uses to describe the pain of the Pennsylvanians he is going to be able to help.
As much as white America has to let itself warm up to the idea of a brave and intelligent biracial black man, it also is learning to accept he is more their friend than foe. That while he is a millionaire, he does not have the 100 million of McCain or Clinton. That he has taken a grassroots movement and turned it into a very successful $240 million dollar organization in barely one year. From people whose voices and needs are closer to their own daily lives, rather than well connected wealthy who pay a lower percentage of taxes than the average Pennsylvanian.
Posted by: kravitz | April 12, 2008, 2:10 am 2:10 am
I’m glad this happened. It shows just how in touch Obama is with average folks and what’s really going on.
Posted by: AkaDad | April 12, 2008, 2:13 am 2:13 am
James,
I am trying to make a post but my computer is dying. If you still there…
These people in PA Obama was talking about are not clinging to religion and guns because they frustrated. They are religious and hunting is their past time. They might be bitter but that’s another story.
Obama has HUGE money behind him, moveon.org founded by Dean and monies from lobbyists, oil industry, prime-time lenders (~1.5 M), fund raisers at 2300$ per head, and so on…
He is Washington. As sen. Clinton is a corporate candidate she does not say she isn’t. But Barack’s campaign of change when he is the corporate candidate is just outrageous. The only change he will bring is the Change HImself.
goodnight..
Posted by: magda | April 12, 2008, 2:42 am 2:42 am
Hello Out There…..
Did you know that the Clintons were the poorest people to occupy the White House in the last century?
Did you know that Bill Clinton generated a period of economic growth and stability unknown in the last half century? That he took the US Treasury from a tremendous deficit and turned it around so that for the first time in eons, we actually had a surplus?
Did you know that until B O came along, he was loved and revered by millions?
Did you know that Bill Clinton was considered more than just a friend of the African Americans; he was considered the “First Black President” until Teflon Man came along?
Did you know that Bill and Hillary have never NOT shown up at a memorial service for Martin Luther King…. although though Obama was unable to make it because he was too busy campaigning?
Did you know that Barack Obama won his senate seat in Illinois and his U S Senate seat by excising his competition from the from the electoral ledger by deleterious, dirty means.
(You can check this out at the Chicago Tribune if you’d like…)
Did you know that Obama permitted Rezko to rent unheated apartments in his broken down tenements to poor Black families under his watch? And did you know that Rezko claimed he didn’t have money to heat the buildings…. but he had enough to give to Obama?
Do you really think he is a friend of all African Americans? or is he just using you to access the White House?
Do you really truly feel that Obama’s first love… after G-d and family… is this United States of America?
Do you truly trust his patriotism?
Are you sure that Barack Obama, if he ever won this race, wouldn’t sell out his country to the highest bidder?
Be careful WHO you vote for, and WHY.
Be very very careful
Posted by: questioner | April 12, 2008, 2:44 am 2:44 am
The Clinton Administration’s record of economic accomplishment was outstanding by any measure. Millions of jobs created, incomes rising, low unemployment rate, booming stock market, huge deficits turned into huge surpluses. I’m tired of Obama running against the Clinton Administration. He should be running against Bush who has left the economy in shambles and the average American struggling just to get by. If Obama could do half as well as Bill Clinton on the economy that would be a miracle. His continual lumping of the Clinton and Bush Administrations together is an outrage!
Posted by: hopesprings52 | April 12, 2008, 2:53 am 2:53 am
Obama is unelectable. This one came right out of the horses mouth. Its on tape and he cant tap dance around it.
He is so AAROGANT that he will make MORE idiot comments like this. All of them tie into his anti american racist church.
He is TOAST. Whether the liberal media and the Democratic insiders FORCE him down our throats anyways, he is a DEAD LOSS in the general election.
Posted by: tomdavie | April 12, 2008, 3:12 am 3:12 am
What do I think? I think that all the time I have been watching Obama now, he has never once taken the blame for any mistake he made. Instead, he pivots. By tomorrow, he’ll be trying to blame his remarks on Clinton or McCain.
This is just another indication of how he really does look down on all of us “little people.” Trouble is, a lot of the little people just don’t seem to notice.
Posted by: mary | April 12, 2008, 3:12 am 3:12 am
To me this is unfair to obama. these days you can send people’ sons and daughtesr to their death for no reason, lies openly to them, support Nafta and have in you team one that is presently working against the interest of the american people but you can still get away with it because of you are. But when someone tell the truth he are accused of elitist. Who wouldn’t feel bitter when he is told that his job is given to a chinese or an illegal immigrant? Those who deny that feeling are the very elitist and far away from the daily life of regular americans.
Posted by: leche | April 12, 2008, 3:18 am 3:18 am
Just as his race speech did not undo the Rev. Wright damage, this won’t either. Stick a fork in Obama, he’s done.
Posted by: Rob | April 12, 2008, 3:23 am 3:23 am
It’s so much fun to see all hell break loose when liberals reveal their true elitest, snobby selves!
Posted by: Jo | April 12, 2008, 3:25 am 3:25 am
I think everybody heard him the first time….it is a mistake to try and tell people they didn’t hear what he said…..it is kind of an Obama thing…He didn’t know about Wright…first he was apalled.then it was the “sound bite” Farrakan arguement (press’s fault)..then he excused it because Wright was Black…since then Wright is a hero because according to Obama he’s not homophobic. One of the basic tenets of any denomination of Christianity is to make amends and seek forgiveness…any great politician should take responsibility….
And no one thought to apologise to Hillary or Bill for being slandered from a pulpit in a most profane way.
And no one takes responsibility for these latest comments of Obama…instead we get spin
It’s disappointing
Posted by: Jackie | April 12, 2008, 3:47 am 3:47 am
why would Obama want to be president of the place that he hates? The very argument is a stupid one. These conspiracy theorist should be ignored. The make believe patriots that equate flag pins and immigrant fear with American values will leave the spot light with GWB in January09. Hill wants to get the dumb vote and for that I will not vote for her or McCain in November if these are my choices.
Posted by: Caucus83 | April 12, 2008, 3:47 am 3:47 am
Obama’s spin does not explain the original comments. He needs to try and take responsibility for something during this campaign. Otherwise it will catch up to him.
He is a definite bambozzler!
I guess the next thing that will happen is the press will try to throw mud at Clinton tomorrow to bury Obama’s words.
The thing is we are finally seeing Obama unscripted and it’s not a pretty sight.
Posted by: Jackie | April 12, 2008, 3:51 am 3:51 am
Caucus 83…Obama’s view on patriotism,,,from Anderson Cooper interview….”patriotism is hyperble”
Like most things it went unnoticed in the MSM….but I did see Anderson Cooper raise his eyebrows…
I think that Obama believes exactly what he said…”hyperbole” is exaggeration…some people actually do feel a strong and emotional love for their country and it is not exaggerated at all.
Posted by: Jackie | April 12, 2008, 3:54 am 3:54 am
ENOUGH!
We’ve been the pawns in Obama’s election game for too long!
He has had his supporters malign Clinton with every word they tap, every breath they take. (His hands are always clean).
And all this time we’ve just been responding to his gibes… and steering away from “race”.
It’s time to cut to the chase…. and ACT!
It’s time to share with the world every rotten thing we know about him.
It’s time to question every little pimple which might affect him.
It’s time to bring up every little niggling doubt we have about him.
And about Michelle.
And about the $10,000,000 pension fund his church is bestowing upon his pastor… in addition to $1,600,000 2 bedroom house he’s been awarded.
And about his trips overseas and comments in his books ……
Turnabout is fair play.
And he deserves to be treated as shoddily as his campaign has treated the Clintons.
The mud and slander he slings at Hillary is either forty years old or something for which she bears no responsibility.
I think it’s time to level the playing field!
Let’s see what we can do!
——
!
Posted by: questioner | April 12, 2008, 3:58 am 3:58 am
caucus 83
1.to have power over your enemy
2.to keep your enemy close
3.to be able to hand over your country
to your enemy.
pick one.
or not….
Posted by: questioner | April 12, 2008, 4:16 am 4:16 am
People are bitter when jobs are shipped to China and India or they should be happy? owww come on don’t be hyprocrite or should we take cover because of snipers fire from Bosnia. Clinton don’t know how to be bitter on financial problems, why because they are super rich or should Bill Clinton lie again about the Bosnian nightmare. Let us judge the two now between Obama and Clinton on how they managed their campaign because it will resemble on how they will manage the country when they will be President. Hillary’s campaign is losing on delegate counts, losing on popular votes and losing funds while Obama has an impressive campaign never seen before. I bet Obama will win the nomination and the General election. So for those that can not accept Obama as the new President shoul immigrate now to China LOL!!!!
Posted by: alexis compton | April 12, 2008, 4:19 am 4:19 am
People are bitter — give me a break — it’s just the truth. Also, Obama didn’t say “Here’s what rich Hillary Clinton said…”
He actually said, “Here’s what’s rich — Hillary Clinton said…”
Watch the video. These are two very different things, and for it to be written the first way just is stirring the pot instead of sharing the truth.
Posted by: John | April 12, 2008, 4:47 am 4:47 am
Below is the full transcript from the same huffington post blog. He was asked a question about how to win Pensylvania workling class and they focused on just one part.
“So it’s not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”
FULL TRANSCRIPT
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Full transcript:
OBAMA: So, it depends on where you are, but I think it’s fair to say that the places where we are going to have to do the most work are the places where people feel most cynical about government. The people are mis-appre…I think they’re misunderstanding why the demographics in our, in this contest have broken out as they are. Because everybody just ascribes it to ‘white working-class don’t wanna work — don’t wanna vote for the black guy.’ That’s…there were intimations of that in an article in the Sunday New York Times today – kind of implies that it’s sort of a race thing.
Here’s how it is: in a lot of these communities in big industrial states like Ohio and Pennsylvania, people have been beaten down so long, and they feel so betrayed by government, and when they hear a pitch that is premised on not being cynical about government, then a part of them just doesn’t buy it. And when it’s delivered by — it’s true that when it’s delivered by a 46-year-old black man named Barack Obama (laugher), then that adds another layer of skepticism (laughter).
But — so the questions you’re most likely to get about me, ‘Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What’s the concrete thing?’ What they wanna hear is — so, we’ll give you talking points about what we’re proposing — close tax loopholes, roll back, you know, the tax cuts for the top 1 percent. Obama’s gonna give tax breaks to middle-class folks and we’re gonna provide health care for every American. So we’ll go down a series of talking points.
But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there’s not evidence of that in their daily lives. You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. So it’s not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.
Um, now these are in some communities, you know. I think what you’ll find is, is that people of every background — there are gonna be a mix of people, you can go in the toughest neighborhoods, you know working-class lunch-pail folks, you’ll find Obama enthusiasts. And you can go into places where you think I’d be very strong and people will just be skeptical. The important thing is that you show up and you’re doing what you’re doing.
Posted by: james | April 12, 2008, 5:01 am 5:01 am
Boy, you can sure tell the Hillary campaign’s people are online to blog everything tonight.
Posted by: BlueCalico | April 12, 2008, 5:05 am 5:05 am
Reading the full transcript at the fund raiser supports the point that he is in touch unlike Hillary and McCain. They did not take the time to read the transcript or investigate and jumped into what they heard from the media and attacked immediately. Same way they both took us to war in Iraq. Obama response showed how bad their judgements are..
Posted by: james | April 12, 2008, 5:10 am 5:10 am
I know , I know Obama lovers who post on the internet. Its ALL taken out of context.
Doesnt matter what he says. Doesnt matter what he does. Doesnt matter who he knows. Doesnt matter if he has any experience in the slightest.
Just listen to the RHETORIC in his prepared speeches and vote for the guy.
Thats what we Obama lovers do.
Posted by: tomdavie | April 12, 2008, 5:30 am 5:30 am
People are bitter and angry because of the Iraq war and the job lost to China and India but this time they are angry and bitter because the voters in Florida and Michigan are ignored by DNC and Obama doesn’t want their voices be heard even a revote.
Posted by: stock_craft | April 12, 2008, 5:56 am 5:56 am
The truth is that I am tired of the media and their snippets. Just like this blog. It make sme bitter. But I also known that what this election has revealed is that the conventional media are going out of bussiness due to technology explosion. Who would have thought of realclearpolitics, politico, tnr and so many. There are so many source of information these days. good or bad. By the next election analyst on Lou Dobbs and O’Reilly would be out of jobs. Maybe They will get bitter
Posted by: james | April 12, 2008, 6:11 am 6:11 am
bitter……bitter????? just who is bitter….let me tell you who is…no one under bill clinton’s presidency, no one is bitter until this puke we have now in the white house took office. it is going to take another clinton to clean up another bush mess….
and don’t even think about putting a rev wright, nbpp, rattso, canadian trade act, bitter pa voter accuser in the white house either…..
Posted by: carla sue | April 12, 2008, 7:00 am 7:00 am
Hillary did not even acknowledge that people are bitter about the situation. She said they are resilient. Sure they are. We are optimistic that regardless of Hillary or Obama, we hope that either of them get their and hopefully change our bitterness. She decided to use it as an attack without reading the full content of the transcript. Another error in judgments on her part
Posted by: james | April 12, 2008, 7:05 am 7:05 am
james,
talk about error on one’s part……obama sat in a church (if you want to call it that) for 20 years subjecting his kids to the rev wright…..do you think that is good judgement? what about the endorsement by the nbpp….or the crap with rattso….is this ok, and just an err in judgement, but acceptable because it is a man doing it????? every time hillary does something, here comes the lynch mob. you know, obama was nothing until oprah got on the bandwagon and endorsed him with ‘the truth’….now that the rev wright has come out, where the hell is oprah now???? hiding from the ‘truth’ as obama is. what a free ride he has taken from the media….and of all people….oprah winfrey. she needs to take her blinders off/
Posted by: carla sue | April 12, 2008, 7:09 am 7:09 am
Carla Sue
You are wrong on may fronts. …and you obviously don’t realize that many of those towns that are frustrated have a direct correlation between their factory closing and NAFTA.
There are many “questionable” decisions and relationships that Sen Clinton has had or made…enough that puts almost any other politician out there. That is the problem…because her last name is Clinton and she lived in the White House for 8 years…you all don’t realize if you compare her to other Senators and candidates for that matter…her legislative, personal choices, and like ability history is not good enough to be where she is. …seriously compared to so many other candidates…but because her name is Clinton and she lived in the White House…you all suddenly are blind to all her weaknesses…and her list of weaknesses is exponential of almost anyone else on the national stage.
…and you say we are blind sheep… I think just is years of hope in the dark and fighting for her that makes you so myopic.
…and Obama is going to come out better from all this stuff with Pennsylvania small towns…he unlike the other two addressed what it truly means when a factory closes and the economy turns down…
cause let me tell you it is about to get much worse here…and if Hillary and John don’t see the statistics prove that racism, violent crime, angry ethnocentrism go up dramatically when the economy goes down (which has been proven over and over in MANY studies)…then heaven help us if they are the next President. Life in America is going to get much worse if we have a President that attacks another candidate for stating that.
Posted by: dl | April 12, 2008, 7:41 am 7:41 am
then again Carla Sue maybe you are not black or hispanic or Jewish or second generation or first generation or physically disabled or elderly or poor …or a woman…
Because those are the people that get effected by the statistics that Obama was talking about in these small towns that had factory closings.
This is the difference between someone who left college to take a job helping those people and one who has no idea what it is to be out of a job, have no money a family full of kids and polticians that fan the flames of issues that play to their “win” rather than the issues that will save these families.
Posted by: dl | April 12, 2008, 7:46 am 7:46 am
I really think this is being blown out of all proportion by the Clinton Campaign, and the media. Obama made the point that small town america doesn’t feel it is represented well in Washington, and that makes them worry more about social issues, rather than economic areas, and small town america tends to be socially conservative. Maybe the word ‘bitter’ was a bit insenstive, but other than that, how does this become an issue?
Posted by: markymark | April 12, 2008, 7:48 am 7:48 am
dl,
yes, i do understand frustration from the small town, jobs lost people. i live in a small town, and nearly lost my job to mexico. i am barely hanging on, and won’t blame hillary or obama in fact for any of the state that the economy is in now. it is from that idiot that is in the white house.
however, despite mistakes you claim hillary has made, that is fine, we are all human and make them, obama does not have the experience to make mistakes on a senatorial front, let alone on a presidential front. he also said in the msnbc debate with hillary, that and i quote ‘i am looking for strong people in my administration, as i will not always be right’……who is anyway??
and as i said in an earlier post, if it weren’t for oprah, obama would be a nothing to this day…..
Posted by: carla sue | April 12, 2008, 7:48 am 7:48 am
dl, i will state loud and clear. i am a woman, i am white, and i am physically disabled. i have been disabled since age 16, but fight the good fight every day. now what do you have to say about me
Posted by: carla sue | April 12, 2008, 7:51 am 7:51 am
How about blacks voting for him for he just been black? Are they not bitter?
Posted by: GS | April 12, 2008, 7:52 am 7:52 am
Well .. well .. there he goes again …
He says something …. and then he comes back and says he is clearly something else ..
He said PA Small Town voters are racist, are anti-immigrant, pro gun, pro religion, anti-trade because they are bitter due to jobs loss. That’s why they are voting for Hillary.
Now, he says, they are bitter because they cannot count on Washington. Of course, they can count on Washington for religion, guns, trade etc.,
Give me a break. Either Obama thinks people are stupid or hopes at least the main stream media pundits will wink wink and repeat what he says.
Of course, we all know the pundits are in the tank for Obama. It is not a perception but reality.
Of course, let us see how MSNBC spins this one.
Posted by: Roger Miller | April 12, 2008, 7:55 am 7:55 am
i will say once again before i sign off here…and i think it’s great that everyone is so passionate about what they believe in……however,obama was nothing until oprah winfrey got involved. i will go on her show personally and argue with her about the race based bias that she has shown.
Posted by: carla sue | April 12, 2008, 8:06 am 8:06 am
I think he has listened to Rev. Wrights sermons too much. Add to that a more than healthy does of Liberal Elitism and get comments that are completely insulting and out of touch with middle America.
He actually believes what he said was ok, not out of the ordinary. he doesn’t even get how denegatratinghis comments were/are.
He cannot win the white house in Nov. he’s totally unelectable. His candidacy has no real basis. One snear could lose him the white house far less words like these as well as all of his other liabilitites.
This is why you dont nominate a young first term junior senator to be you nominee for President. He’s unelectable against the Republicans.
Posted by: s.b. | April 12, 2008, 9:06 am 9:06 am
By the way, the fact that he said they are bitter is not the damming part of the comment.
He denegrates why they vote and what they vote for by insulting their values. That’s unamerican undemocratic, condescending and elitist.
Posted by: s.b. | April 12, 2008, 9:09 am 9:09 am
Let’s just think for a second about why Americans voted for George W Bush, especially last time.
For all the things he is and all the criticisms that can be levelled at GWB HE IS NOT ARROGANT.
He’s the goofy boy next door you invite to your cabin for a hunting trip.
Americans hated John Kerry’s condescending arrogance. Obama pretends to be one of the people by putting on a fke accent when in the south and using words like ain’t and talking about fried chicken to crowds. (why they dont find that condescending I dont know)
But when the press aren’t around and he thinks he’s speaking to Liberal whites all that condescending elitist ego comes out.
Interesting that the press weren’t suppoed to get ahold of this little tidbit don’t you think.
He is unelectable.
Posted by: s.b. | April 12, 2008, 9:17 am 9:17 am
I have spent my entire career in heavy manufacturing right in the buckle of the rust belt (IN, MI) anyone who thinks that there is no bitterness among the thousands of people who have suddenly found themselves out of a decent paying factory job and are now scrambling around to just find a job at any wage that provides health insurance for their family, is delusional.
Posted by: steve | April 12, 2008, 9:17 am 9:17 am
“And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.” Obama
What a fancy way of stereotyping people.
He might as well have come right out and said that they are gun slinging, racial churchgoers, afraid of people not like them such as black, gays, white, Mexicans,etc.
He was right that people are bitter..but wrong to add the other comment.
Obama is still standing by his comments. He has no idea that some find this offensive.
Posted by: chuck | April 12, 2008, 9:18 am 9:18 am
Just the facts people…
In the 109th congress, only ONE bill sponsored by Obama was signed into law.
(relief to the Congo)
In the 110th congress, exactly zero bills sponsored by Obama was signed into law.
Yep — he’s really on top of things.
Posted by: S | April 12, 2008, 9:22 am 9:22 am
What do you expect from a member of the Harvard Boys Club? And his wife is a graduate of Princeton and Harvard Law School? Obama was right in his element in San Francisco, mingling with rich left wing liberals. Obama is a creation of the media, and if Americans don’t open their eyes and ears, we will have a change in Washington – Bush to the far left named Obama – and the elite liberals in Washington won’t be thinking about the little people in small town America. Obama is bamboozling those rich liberals, look at his “real friends and mentors” Rezko, Wright, Farrakhan, Ayeres, Khalidi, Said – wake up and smell the coffee Obamanations. Check out the story in the Washington Post yesterday. Obama has 5 BIllionaires (not including Oprah) bundling money for him. Politics of Change, ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha!!!
Posted by: rs | April 12, 2008, 9:30 am 9:30 am
I am tired of people letting Obama get away with stereotyping white people.
What if McCain or Clinton had said that Black people cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations
Obama makes racist remarks over and over and over again.
Posted by: Joe | April 12, 2008, 9:34 am 9:34 am
He said NOTHING about what he would do. NOTHING at all.
He’s an empty suit. What more would you expect?
Posted by: S | April 12, 2008, 9:39 am 9:39 am
Hillary fans:
It looks like your candidate won’t make it any more than the traditional values of the democratic party will make it. Here are your choices now:
* Vote for McCain
* Vote for Nader
* Express your true beliefs by writing in your candidates name
* Don’t vote at all
Posted by: Aston | April 12, 2008, 9:41 am 9:41 am
This is a typical case of a man and his own self-reflection. A bitter and hatred person will spend the rest of his manhood to manifest his own self toward the object(s)in front of him.
Posted by: mtr2311 | April 12, 2008, 9:51 am 9:51 am
It’s not the bitter part that bothers me it’s the “they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations,” he makes people sound like uneducated backwards hicks that still people in God being the creator of life and not the theory of evolution because they’re less educated and poor and it does seem like he’s looking down on the middle income working class Americans.
Posted by: Kardasia_Prime | April 12, 2008, 9:52 am 9:52 am
Him and his left wingnuts he trashes middle america and then our party and he didn’t really say bitter gun toting bible thumping fear of strangers people.He just said people need jobs and he can understand what we are going thru and so can his wine drinking and latte drink friends. how arrogant.
Posted by: Bishop | April 12, 2008, 10:01 am 10:01 am
The father of a friend of mine would always say that a working man voting Republican is like a chicken voting for Colonel Sanders. Yet election after election blue collar voters pull the lever for the elephant. If you do not think that there is a nugget of truth in what Obama said (please read the whole quote, not just a couple of sentences) please explain why we keep shooting oursleves in the foot.
Posted by: steve | April 12, 2008, 10:16 am 10:16 am
Obama needs to shut up about guns, religion, and immigration. He is just digging himself a deeper hole. He has characterized people who are pro-gun, pro-religion, and anti-immigration as bitter and frustrated. In his attempt to explain himself is says that because of bitterness and frustration “people end up, you know, voting on issues like guns, and are they going to have the right to bear arms. They vote on issues like gay marriage. And they take refuge in their faith and their community and their families and things they can count on.”
He does not seem to believe that people can support pro-gun or pro-religion causes without first being bitter and frustrated. This is just wrong. Lots of people are single issue voters. They are not political junkies who weigh all of the issues before them. This is not wrong, and it does not mean people focus on one issue out of bitterness and frustration.
Obama needs to stop digging this hole. He needs to shut up and stop trying to explain his first remark. He needs to say he was misquoted, drunk, sleep deprived, or whatever.
Posted by: David H | April 12, 2008, 10:35 am 10:35 am
The only people that are “bitter”
are those that thought Obama had an IQ
over 50….
Thank Allah that he has now lost the
nomination!
Posted by: bob | April 12, 2008, 10:48 am 10:48 am
Since much of the Republican party is characterized as pro-gun, pro-religion, and anti-immigration, is Obama really saying that the Republican party is bitter and frustrated? Is he saying that Republicans and conservative Democrats are sick? Is he saying that if they were not bitter and frustrated the skies would open up, light would shine down on them, and they would throw away their guns, stop going to church, and welcome immigrants with open arms? Is that what he believes?
When Obama wrongly says that people turn to religion out of bitterness and frustration we hear echoes of an earlier political theorist, Karl Marx, who said “Religion is the opiate of the people.”
Posted by: David H | April 12, 2008, 10:53 am 10:53 am
I rarely post on these bulletin boards but read them quite often. It has been interesting to see the evolution of Obama-mania. I have looked at this from so many angles and I still don’t get it.
I am a black woman, registered independent, from the south. While I am excited about the fact that a black man could actually be so close to winning the nomination, I wish it was someone who was actually qualified to do so. Every time I hear Obama speak I have flash backs to George Bush campaigning – a great guy to have a beer with, but essentially an empty suit. We’ve already been down the road with an inexperienced, untested, ‘groomed by the party elite’ candidate. The consequences have been undescribably damaging. Bush was not ‘seasoned’ enough to make his own decisions and wound up being a puppet doing the bidding of Cheney and co.Perhaps this is why the dem party elite want Obama to win. It seems that as Americans have not learned that lesson and are destined to repeat it.
I know the Clinton’s have a lot of baggage, some brought upon themselves and some heaped upon them unfairly by the media (which by the way is SCARY the way the media have wielded so much influence in this election).
At the end of the day, I know the record of the Clintons, what they have stood for and the good works they’ve done. They are not perfect. It is not a crime for an ex-president to make money. Of the $109million, about $43million went towards taxes and charity. This leaves $66million over a ten year perod, still not chump change at $10million per year, but I don’t think we should judge them for earning a living. I know bankers who earn more than that.
I guess this whole message is to focus on the issues. In my gut, I can not trust the future of my children to Obama. As an independant, I will either write in Hillary’s name or vote for McCain should Obama be the nominee of the democratic party. I do not believev he is electable. I know it’s futile to try and convince anyone on the boards to change their minds, but I wanted to put my thoughts out there.
Posted by: Lori | April 12, 2008, 11:08 am 11:08 am
Obama insulted, belittle put down and abuse the Backbone of this country.
Posted by: seah | April 12, 2008, 11:10 am 11:10 am
Obama is right. People are bitter. I’m glad he recognizes that people are bitter in certain areas due to economic problems. This is the first step in trying to change the economic situation in those places. I come from such a place and we have little faith in the government being of any help to people willing and eager to work hard for decent wages to allow us to live a nice middle-class life. The government does not need to give welfare to the people in these areas, but, if they want to help those people, they can help us make it more attractive for businesses to operate there (and in the US in general) and more attractive to buy American. At least Obama realizes there is a problem and a huge wealth divide in the U.S. Too bad the other politicians don’t focus on this very very important issue, but I guess that’s politics.
Posted by: Marilyn | April 12, 2008, 11:12 am 11:12 am
Hillary supporters:
Your candidate will loose to the liberal left. Here are your GE choices:
*Vote for McCain
*Vote for Nader
*Write in Hillary’s name
*Dont’ vote
You have been betrayed!!!!
Posted by: Aston | April 12, 2008, 11:12 am 11:12 am
Why is this man running for president. He has divided Americans on their issues of patriotism, he has divided blacks against white, he now dividing rich against the poor, he has divided the jewish community , and his lists keeps getting longer as the days go by.
Obama and his wife seems very anti-American, for them America seems to have everything wrong with it, but yet the Obama’s seem to be doing well.
How long are people just going to sit by and let him continuously, keep on separating people on a host of issues. Yes elections are a battle, buts its a battle between parties to find the right candidate for president, not what is going on now with Obama.
Obama seems to be fighting a personal battle with America and all its people, this type of division is not going to do any of us any good in the long run.
Posted by: SJ | April 12, 2008, 11:25 am 11:25 am
He DID explain what he meant by the ‘cling to guns and religion’- he meant that since they don’t vote for economic things anymore (since previous politicians have shown them nothing changes about that), they make their votes based on things like guns and religion. Does anyone really think Obama- who has been more upfront about his faith than anyone in this election season besides Huckabee- was mocking people for turning to religion? Not bloody likely. Look- if you don’t support the guy, fine- but don’t try to turn what he said into something else as a justification for it. If Clinton or McCain were actually looking out for the ‘little man’, they wouldn’t be in the bag for lobbyists.
Posted by: brueso | April 12, 2008, 11:31 am 11:31 am
brueso
Does your dear boy believe that, should he fix whatever core problems he thinks exists, the bitterness will go away and people will no longer need god? He seems to have real issues with other people’s god compared to his own.
Posted by: S | April 12, 2008, 11:33 am 11:33 am
if you listen to the video of him in Indiana, he didn’t say “Here’s what rich Senator Clinton says…” as though he was addressing her 110 million dollars- he said “Here’s what’s rich (pause)- Senator Clinton says…”
Posted by: brueso | April 12, 2008, 11:42 am 11:42 am
This is The Clinton’s again..It goes on and on…They are so desperate.Obama is right and is facing the reality of issues..If she gets the nomination..I will write in Obama or not vote..I will continue my quest in moving to another country..Has anyone else had enough yet?
Posted by: Janice | April 12, 2008, 11:43 am 11:43 am
The man is so eloquent his meaning is lost in a reading by a person with an agenda. There are a lot of folks with agendas on this comment line. All he is saying is that “we’re mad as hell and we’re not going to take it any more”. He says clearly people have lost jobs and government support and don’t trust any more so they seek comfort elsewhere; in their communities and their faith. McCain doesn’t know the Shites from the Sunnis and wants a 100 year war in 6 month increments. Where is the money coming from?? China and Germany own us. Wake up people, this country is failing. Iraq has billions of oil dollars set aside and we the US taxpayers are financing the rebuilding of their infrastructure. The Bushs have been in bed with Saudia Arabia royalty for generations. Guess what, they’re in the oil business. Ms Clinton is a politically ambitious liar. She is the same old, same old Washington folk. She is devisive unwiling to compromise. All this and you people are picking apart comments of transparent honesty and calling him an empty suit. My god, no one has spoken the truth in this campaign like Obama has. Are we so afraid of the truth that we will stone those who speak it. We are then no better than the crazies in the Middle East who make their women drape themselves in shrouds, perform female circumcisions and honor kill their daughters and wives. By the way, how many of you who are so willing to pick these comments apart read the Clinton supporters statement this is a response to? And how many of you have lost a job to down sizing or overseas withdrawal of companies. I live in NC and we are for Obama here. Look it up in the polls. We have lost millions of jobs to mills and industry moving out of the country. Clinton lied when she said she didn’t support Nafta. Look it up. Fact check is a great source. How come you aren’t picking apart McCain’s speeches when he refers to Iran as a Sunni nation? It is Shia. Saudias are Sunni. He doesn’t know one from the other. How come you all aren’t picking apart Hillary when she lies about Nafta and the 1996 trip to Bosnia. Lots of lies there. She wasn’t the first first lady to go into a war zone and she didn’t run from sniper fire. She and McCain are pulling wool over your eyes. God help us!! We will need those guns and our own faith to make it out of this mess which apparently you all want to continue.
Posted by: Nancy | April 12, 2008, 11:49 am 11:49 am
Now Obama gets the obligatory do-over. “I did not say that as well as I could have …” Everything is OK now, and the press can go back to swooning over his elegance.
Does Hillary get a do-over for anything she says? Not on your life. Not only does she not get to explain anything she says, but every comment made by her and Bill gets picked apart for hidden meaning.
Recently, Hillary laughed out loud at a dumb question by a reporter. David Shuster was immediately on television being offended by Hillary’s lack of respect for the press. Yes, David, the Clinton’s think the press are slime. Do you blame them?
Posted by: David H | April 12, 2008, 12:07 pm 12:07 pm
Lori 11:08.
Forgive me for piggybacking on your comment. I’m (unfortunately?) white. I’m a rightward-leaning independent who, without knowing much of Obama, initially considered his candidacy.
No way after Jeremiah Wright. I just don’t get Obama. He’s absurdly unqualified. Quite honestly, if he doesn’t win the election, his career is over. I grew up in Illinois, and I doubt he wants to return there for a re-election campaign in 2010. I bet he’ll be working at appointed positions or in educational positions the rest of his life.
As intelligent as he is, he’s actually a trainwreck when he’s not working from carefully scripted remarks on a teleprompter. He’s really no better than a news broadcaster. How many of these gaffes is the mainstream media going to allow him? These aren’t instances of being momentarily tongue-tied.
In the end, consider where he was delivering the speak. In this case, context supports the obvious reading of the words. As I heard and later read his remarks, I was reminded of the famous Al Campanis interview with Ted Koppel on “Nightline” in 1987. I saw that live and couldn’t believe Campanis said the things that he said. He was pilloried for those remarks. So should Obama. I’m looking forward to the Democrats trying to look united while backing this loser.
Posted by: SAM | April 12, 2008, 12:27 pm 12:27 pm
Nancy | Apr 12, 2008 11:49:13 AM said:
“The man is so eloquent his meaning is lost in a reading by a person with an agenda”.
eloquent |ˈeləkwənt| adjective
fluent or persuasive in speaking or writing : an eloquent speech. • clearly expressing or indicating something
Believe what you want to believe ….
Posted by: magda | April 12, 2008, 12:44 pm 12:44 pm
Having been born in the segregated South, I have come to understand racism. Sometimes it is overt; more often nowadays it is covert. It is my belief that Obama is a racist: he continues to resent his mother’s race (his words from his book). Such a man or woman is not fit to be president, period.
Obama is a fraud. He is a slick corrupt politician from Chicago. He is an elitist, a racist and a socialist.
His followers cling to ‘hope’ and ‘change’ as actual reasons to vote for him, while continuing to convince themselves that the fantasy of who they want Obama to be still exists.
The problem is: Obama is the ‘dream’ of the politically correct crowd and they will just ignore anything that gets in the way of the fairy tale.
Obama could butcher a kitten on the White House lawn and the media would make it sound like a good thing!
NO OBAMA IN 2008! HE HAS TOLD TOO MANY LIES!
Posted by: concerned | April 12, 2008, 12:52 pm 12:52 pm
Magda: thank you.
Nancy | Apr 12, 2008 11:49:13 AM said:
“The man is so eloquent his meaning is lost in a reading by a person with an agenda.”
Nancy, prattle on all you want. You merely reinforce the horrible impression Obama is making on the country. I have three advanced degrees, and I long ago concluded that Obama’s “eloquence” is meaningless when you realize that the message is empty. At this point, his lips may be moving, but a lot of people are tuning him out. I bet he gets torpedoed in Pennsylvania.
Posted by: SAM | April 12, 2008, 12:52 pm 12:52 pm
I do not trust Obama. I do not trust his loyalty or committment to the United States of America. The fact of Reverand Wright, Anti-American Ayers, wife’s “never proud of my country” speech and now the Pennsylvania “gun-toting, religious, bitter losers” of PA. It all adds up to a very angry, passive-aggresive attitude. I think he follows those who speak his thoughts….
Posted by: RAINE LARA | April 12, 2008, 1:34 pm 1:34 pm
You people who say what he said was right. Do you cling to guns and religion?
Posted by: Tina D | April 12, 2008, 1:55 pm 1:55 pm
Even Obama now claims that what he said was wrong. Still, the lemmings are convinced that what he said are right. Why the disconnect?
Posted by: S | April 12, 2008, 2:00 pm 2:00 pm
SAM writes:
“I long ago concluded that Obama’s “eloquence” is meaningless when you realize that the message is empty.”
He isn’t really “eloquent”, just lectures for a long time, which misleads certain over-educated members of the press, confusing his schtick with their boys-only prep-school days, to market him as “eloquent”.
Posted by: Edgar Cayce | April 12, 2008, 3:07 pm 3:07 pm
I am from a small town-approx. 1600 people live here.For the first time somebody has actually put into words the grief and anger that I have felt for years. Our family is average. My husband and I didn’t go to college, not because we weren’t intelligent enough but because life and kids happened. We have two small boys. I work in healthcare and battle the moral conflict, but I am there every day so that my family survives. My husband works construction more than two and half hours away Monday through Friday. We only see him on the weekends. There aren’t jobs that he can work here close to home that would allow us to survive in this economy. I kiss him goodbye every week and have grown used to raising my kids alone until he is able to come home. This year will be a struggle- we are afraid with the cost of gas that we may have to limit the amount he can come home to twice a month. That is a decision we have to make in order to pay our mortgage and other monthly bills and still provide for our family. We roll up our sleeves everyday, we work hard and don’t complain.. we take comfort in the small things that bring us joy: but we are not content with just getting by, we are not content knowing that our children may fall into this generational poverty because we spend every dime we have to fill our heating oil tank up and the kids have no college fund. Writing this I am crying- out of some sadness yes, also out of frustration towards the very government that is sworn to protect us. I was taught as a child that if you worked hard in life you could earn what you deserve. It doesn’t work that way anymore- the rich get richer off of our sweat and tears and we the “lower middle class” have been ignored and told that we should be happy with what we have, as they spoonfeed us our rights and freedoms. I want to thank Senator Obama for speaking on behalf of those of us who have no voice- for those of us who crave change and hope that the American Dream may once again be possible.
Posted by: bitterangryandhopeful | April 12, 2008, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm
bitterangryandhopeful writes:
“I want to thank Senator Obama for speaking on behalf of those of us who have no voice- for those of us who crave change and hope that the American Dream may once again be possible.”
Very touching, I guess. Not quite the plight of the black poultry worker, but not bad.
BUT note that Obama wasn’t “speaking on behalf” of the “lower middle class”, but bemoaning — to a high-ticket audience in San Francisco — the disinclination of some of the unrich to flock to his bandwagon, instead of to guns, god, and their own (rather than Obama’s) class interest in general.
Posted by: Edgar Cayce | April 12, 2008, 4:05 pm 4:05 pm
Question: Who’s the biggest fool in America?
Answer: The next superdelegate to endorse Obama.
Posted by: HoosierSue | April 12, 2008, 4:32 pm 4:32 pm
Edgar Cayce, exactly right. Obama was at a $2,300 a plate dinner addressing San Francisco elite liberals at a closed door event. Of course he never dreamed that one of them would betray him by making his remarks about “them” public.
If the Dems are foolish enough to nominate him, the Republicans have more than enough to bury him in a landslide win for McCain. Thank God Hillary Clinton is still in the race to serve as a viable nominee.
Go Hillary! or Go McCain! Whichever.
Posted by: HoosierSue | April 12, 2008, 4:46 pm 4:46 pm
HoosierSue writes:
“Of course he never dreamed that one of them would betray him by making his remarks about “them” public.”
Pretty dumb if he thought that. Could the whistle-blower be the formerly-unrich Michelle Obama?
Posted by: Edgar Cayce | April 12, 2008, 4:58 pm 4:58 pm
“What do you think?”
Obama: “I’m in touch. I know exactly what’s going on. I know what’s going on in Pennsylvania. I know what’s going on in Indiana. I know what’s going on in Illinois.”
I think he’s a megalomaniac. A BORING megalomaniac.
Posted by: Navarro | April 12, 2008, 6:19 pm 6:19 pm
If you don’t think there is an issue with what he said.
Then just replace small town PA with South Central Los Angeles, Compton, Watts, etc….and then have a white politician spew it.
Posted by: Karma | April 12, 2008, 6:32 pm 6:32 pm
I can’t for the life of me understand the vile directed at President and Mrs. Clinton. What is it about the peace and prosperity of the Clinton administration (which is what the presidency is all about!) that people don’t like ??
Posted by: JackDaniels | April 12, 2008, 7:52 pm 7:52 pm
I grew up in one of the small Pennsylvania towns Senator Obama was talking about–and he is right. Since Bill Clinton’s policies shipped jobs overseas, small towns have fallen on hard times–because there are no jobs. While politicians like Hillary and George W. Bush (her true soulmate) distract the American public with nonsense issues like this–they make millions of dollars while the middle class struggles. Hillary pretends she is from my part of the state–northeastern PA–but she isn’t–her father left Scranton and moved to wealthy Park Ridge, Illinois where Hillary grew up–she did not grow up in Scranton–but she condescendingly pretends to be a working class Scranton girl because it works for her politically. Sadly, half of the American people fall for the head games politicans play with them–and believe in people like Bush/Cheney and Clinton/Clinton who care only for their own ambitions. Hillary like to divide people because that makes them weak–and she is such a weak, petty person, she feels stong only when others are weak. So she appeals to our fears and prejudices, just like Bush and Rove. Obama comes from a modest background and he has earned everything he has. He is not an elitist–he speaks for ordinary Americans of all economic classes, all races, all ethic groups, both genders. That’s what frightens people who prefer to hold on to their predjuices–they don’t understand that we will achieve more together than we will if we are divided. Hillary appeals to the smallness in people–she thrives on division and rancor. It is tragic that working class Americans who vote for Hillary will vote against their own best interests. She doesn’t care about working people–she just wants to be the first woman president–the American people are just a tool she must operate to reach her goal. I just hope there are enough of us to keep her out of the White House.
Posted by: Hope 1906 | April 12, 2008, 9:41 pm 9:41 pm
@Hope 1906
Some very astute observations about Hillary. However I’m not certain I agree with your conclusions about the others.
I do think Obama is more likable…more human than Hillary has ever been – I really think there is something mentally wrong with her. And now she’s claiming to be pro-gun, anti-NAFTA which is about as credible as her claim that she dodged sniper bullets. I think lies demean the liar – you’d think she’d be embarrassed but she obviously isn’t since she’s still at it.
Posted by: SuziQ | April 12, 2008, 9:50 pm 9:50 pm
Mr. Obama is starting to show his fundamental color. He wants to be different things to different people. In SF, he condescends (essentially belittles) the mid-western small town people and claims that he works for them.
This is not unlike Mr. Bush during 2000. And we were punished for electing him. One wonders what agenda Mr. Obama has for this country.
Cling on to religion: Mr. Obama was clinging on to an separatist church for 20 years to escape what?
Cling on to anti-trade: Did he not say that he was anti-NAFTA in Ohio to win votes?
Cling on to guns: Did he not say that Second Amendment applies to individual’s right to own guns?
This man is a scam artist.
Posted by: Onlooker | April 12, 2008, 11:59 pm 11:59 pm
obama was right. i am bitter,angry,fed up.
Posted by: joe blow | April 13, 2008, 6:05 am 6:05 am
What exactly has Obama done for Illinois and their job creation that makes you think he can do it for PA? He already said jobs aren’t coming back.
Pointing out the ill without any plan and a globalization insult to small town PA points out he is for NAFTA, like we always knew he was.
Any politician worth their salt knows not to mess with the big money of NAFTA.
This ruse that Obama is going to fix what those other politicians help to break might fly if he fixed Illinois and their economic outlook.
11% state tax, doesn’t look like anything was fixed except how much the little guy has to pay for EVERYTHING!!!
Wake up! It’s easy to say something is broke….but he doesn’t have a plan to fix it. A five hundred dollar tax break for middle class and poor families is an insult….just like Bush insulted them with his three hundred version.
Geez….apply logic with every politician not just the ones you dislike. And please explain to me what you like about an 11% tax on the basics?
Posted by: Eleven percent tax rate. | April 13, 2008, 6:42 am 6:42 am
Lets get real here for a minute!! Do you people deep down inside really believe that Hillary or John McCain will really make this country better? I served in the U.S. Army. McCain served his country and I applaud him for that. But this does not make me ready to be President of the United States. This war has been a “strategic blunder” from the beginning and John McCain is going to continue to make it blunder. The REAL reason that you people in Ohio and Pennsylvania lost your jobs is because of NAFTA. Hillary’s husband helped to bring this into existence.
The news media is keeping Americans who have been affected by this and other IMPORTANT issues on an emotional roller coaster with the Rev. Wright crap, Obama’s wife Michelle, and now these comments. You people had better wake up and realize you are being FOOLISH if you keep paying attention to this crap that has nothing to do with your current situation. Keep running off of your emotions and making emotional decisions instead of intelligent ones, and you are going to be in the same position you are in now, which is regret.
People regret now voting for Bush and they are paying for it in SO MANY WAYS!!! If you vote for McCain because you won’t vote for Obama in the general election that is an emotional, dumb, stupid, idiotic decision. You better pay attention to the issues and what will be best for your family long term. McCain is certainly not your answer. But vote for him because you don’t like Obama and you deserve whatever you get. You better REALLY think about your decision. Make and intelligent vote and not an emotional vote. Emotions come and go but these issues you will have to live with.
Posted by: Dennis in Orlando, FL | April 13, 2008, 11:10 am 11:10 am
@ To all the people here who did not understand the essence of his remarks:
Obama did not insult or look down on small town folks in anyway in his remarks. He did not even generalize small town folks in his remarks, he said “some”. To be frank, If you are sincere to yourself, you will recognize that what he talked about is 100% true. The problem people have with it is that it is 100% true and nobody can deny that. He has shown courage as a politican. He is the only one who has come clean with voters up till now. I would rather be fouces on the issues than minor distractions like this.
How does it add up to you that HRC is agianst NAFTA/CAFTA but laughs when ask about the $800,000 her husband recieved in their bank accounts from the Columbian government.
Disclaimer: I am not an Obama supporter but rather an independent
Posted by: George | April 13, 2008, 1:15 pm 1:15 pm
America – please lie down on Obama’s couch . . .
I’m so sick of Sen. Obama’s platitudes and ideological circumspection, his enlightening philosophy. Oprah and Dr. Phil can psychoanalyze us. I want someone who KNOWS how to DO the JOB. He has shown me nothing. His experience is lacking, and his character vague. He’s VAGUE.
Whether his “bitter” gaffe even reflects truth is a matter of perspective. It’s not just the “bitter” part, of course. It’s the fact that he said this bitterness is why people cling to religion, guns, and their positions on undocumented workers and trade deals. I may not agree with everyone on those issues, but I certainly don’t assume they’re just bitter and ignorant, and I’m not even campaigning to be their president. THAT is what’s wrong with what he said.
Hey, he can say this kind of stuff all day long if he likes, but not if he expects the bitter, ignorant working class, small town lunch bucket democrats to vote for him. I wonder if Obama thinks his clinging to religion is born from some type of bitterness, or was it for political gain?
But what’s truly disturbing is that these comments, like those of Rev. Wright, seem to focus on the motives of Americans, and find us people of hate, ignorance, and pettiness. That surly exists, but does it exist at the level these remarks seem to indicate? Is this why Michelle Obama is finally proud of her country? Because she has a distorted view of her country?
Seems like Obama is trying to apply some psychological motives to a lot of Americans that don’t ring true. I have my own views on religion, immigration, and gun control that are probably in line with Sen. Obama’s views, but my views don’t come from bitterness, and I take issue with his analysis of the small town America I come from.
We don’t need a Psychologist in Chief. We need a president who has more than platitudes to right this ship.
Posted by: Teri B. | April 13, 2008, 2:38 pm 2:38 pm
I am surprised with the amount of replies to this issue, I with the knowledge that if I vote for McCain I will be voting for Bush ideologies and philosophies, a vote for Hillary will to me mean the end of morality in politics, I do not want to see a woman who was so humilated by her husband stand with him. If Hillary can forgive Bill after such a humilation and attack on character what will she look over next? Employment, Healthcare, Taxes, Interest Rates, Social Security?
The only intelligent vote is for Obama we as the leader of the free world need to demonstrate that we are capable of intelligent rational thoughts and actions.
Posted by: Craig | April 13, 2008, 10:02 pm 10:02 pm