Reid, Pelosi, Dean May Push Uncommitted Superdelegates to Decide No Later than July 1
At a press conference Thursday, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said that he, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., and Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean would push uncommitted superdelegates to announce their presidential choice no later than July 1.
"The three of us, we may write a joint letter, we might do individual letters," he said, referring to letters to be sent to superdelegates after the primary process ends, urging them to announce a presidential preference. "We are in contact with each other. What we will do, unless something comes up, we’ll do it together."
The three Democratic leaders have made no bones about the fact that they do not want the contest to continue through the summer to be resolved during a messy Democratic convention floor fight in August.
Reid’s deadline is significant because Sens. Hillary Clinton’s argument to superdelegates depends upon the contests in Florida in Michigan counting.
Those states were stripped of their delegates after they defied the DNC and held their contests early; candidates did not compete there and Obama’s name was not even on the ballot in Michigan. Clinton won both states handily, and her argument to superdelegates depends upon those contested primaries having some resolution so she can come closer to Obama’s lead in pledged delegates and continue her argument that only she won larger swing states such as Pennsylvania and Ohio that Democrats need to win to recapture the White House.
But the Florida and Michigan issue will not likely be settled by July 1, the day that the DNC Credentials Committee assumes control over the convention from the Rules Committee.
"People will have plenty of opportunity after the last primary on June 2 to make a decision about what they are going to do," Reid added today. “I’ve said for several weeks now that this matter will be over by some time in June but no later than the first of July. I still believe that that’s the case.”
The Nevadan said that superdelegates were coming off the fence, adding that he’d met with the Democratic chairmen of Senate Committees the day before, where "one of the chairmen said ‘I’m going to make my decision pretty soon,’ so I feel comfortable where we are."
And will Reid endorse a candidate?
"I might have to," Reid said.
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Posted by: ericajane | April 24, 2008, 3:39 pm 3:39 pm
If they seat MI and FL delegates with their votes, I swear I’ll never vote democrat again! These morons would be just as dumb and inconsiderate as the State DNC was for both of those states. Grow up you guys, make your word mean something. (you’re twisting in the wind like a republican candidate!)
Posted by: David NH | April 24, 2008, 3:43 pm 3:43 pm
“The three of us, we may write a joint letter, we might do individual letters,” he said
These bubble-heads don’t know how many LETTERS they’re writing, but they know they’re going to sock it to the delegates? “Typical,” as tender candidate Obama might say.
Mob princess Pelosi, fresh from her cuddling-on-the-loveseat commercial with Newt Gingrich, will be PARTICULARLY persuasive, of course. Maybe Dean won’t SIGN a letter with her?
Posted by: Belle Starr | April 24, 2008, 3:46 pm 3:46 pm
Superdelegates:
You will soon make decisions that will select a candidate who can win the electoral college in November or one who cannot.
After all of the delegates have been selected, regardless of caucus or primary results, your job is to elect the candidate that can win the most electoral votes for the Democratic party.
Popular votes, rhetoric, and misleading promises will not win the White House in November. If such criteria was to be the determining factor, there would be no need for superdelegates.
Your duty is clear. Let the process continue to expose the strengths and weaknesses of the candidates. Cast your votes at the convention in August.
Experience and ability will lead to the White House.
Posted by: Jayhawk | April 24, 2008, 3:51 pm 3:51 pm
Nobody think Clinton (includng Clinton thinks they are going to give this to Clinton)
This is all about 2012.
The Clintons have never…never put the country ahead of themselves. You can’t name me once. They have consistently hurt the public when the choice was between themselves and the country…they have consistently put themselves first.
If people would just look back and try to find one time…maybe then they would realize …these people are not good people. They are self-serving self-empowering…politicians who hav eused the American people for their own power and legacy. Bill because he is an egomaniac and is pathological (I mean King George seems to ring pretty clear here) and Lady MacBeth… I am sure the court thought Lady MacBeth was a fighter too…and that she got things done for the kingdom.
Posted by: dl | April 24, 2008, 3:52 pm 3:52 pm
If Hillary loses NC and IN then she should drop out immediately. If she wins one of those then she should stay in till June 3rd.
Posted by: pt | April 24, 2008, 3:56 pm 3:56 pm
David NH, nobody will change the rules of a game in the middle of a game. You have to be Hillary the Bosnian General to dream that that could happen. Obama has won the primaries and the pledged delegates, so get ready he is the Dem’ s nominee. God bless America and God bless Obama. OBAMA08.
Posted by: BKMC | April 24, 2008, 3:57 pm 3:57 pm
These “leaders” are a bunch of hypocrites. They want to spew to us about “the rules” and MI and FL not counting because of those rules, which is fine. However, they need to stick to those same rules which says that this thing can go to the convention. There are no rules that state superdelegates have to pledge their support one way or another by July 1. The “rules” don’t state that and as such, they really need to either keep it a level playing field or shut it.
They don’t want to take it to the convention because it will only highlight their massive failure to effectively conduct a primary election. Too bad.
The irony in urging superdelegates to pledge their support is that they can still vote anyway they want during the convention. It’s really not a safe bet to try to make them decide before they are ready to.
Posted by: LOM | April 24, 2008, 3:58 pm 3:58 pm
Frankly I don’t care what the three of them do. As a life long Democrat I am ashamed of all of them. Reid and Pelosi have been the WORST Senate and House leaders in my lifetime. And don’t get me started on Howard Dean.
I don’t care if the nominee is Obama or Clinton – they both will have to account for all talk and no do Reid and Pelosi in the general.
Posted by: Kris | April 24, 2008, 3:58 pm 3:58 pm
super delegates
go look at the directive for the Sloan Commission that created your position…
That your goal was to be held to account by the party members and to make the party more democratic (those are the words in the directive).
It is not as the spin has come out to overthrow the vote in case the party members were wrong.
It was to protect any manipulation of the system…i.e. someone tryiong to count beauty contests or ballots where all the candidates names were not on them…or better yet only one of the two last candidates names)…
That was your purpose…it was not in any directive for you to pick the candidate that you thought would fight better for the nomination.
That is a misleading spin… that people like Geraldine Ferraro has tried to put out there.
Go look up the directive of the Sloan Commision …Nancy pelosi was correct in her statements early on that she was threatened for by a bunch of people (many of whom stayed in the Lincoln bedroom while Bill and Hill lived in the white house)
stop this madness and this old corrupt electing spin machine …please…
get us off this road and out of this car that the clintons and bush’s created that is driving us to national destruction.
Posted by: dl | April 24, 2008, 3:59 pm 3:59 pm
just thought i would mention that today it was announced by hillary’s campaign that Walter schweitzer would serve as a senior advisor to her campaign. Now i am not sure what that meas as far as what he does, but it may be of note that he is Gov. Schwietzer’s brother and I beleive that he played an important part in electing Briam Schwietzer his brother as the Governor of Montana. Also Gov. Schwietzer is a superdelegate so not to read to much into it but could possible for shadow an endorsement.
Posted by: joshua bradshaw | April 24, 2008, 3:59 pm 3:59 pm
Nothing like fixing a election
They are going to lose a whole bunch of Democrats with their games.
The people do not want their puppet
So the DNC use the media and apply the pressure.
Reid, Pelosi, Dean have fail their party so horribly. The Democrats God and political fixers.
Posted by: seah | April 24, 2008, 4:03 pm 4:03 pm
The super delegates should keep out of the election process. They should keep their mouths shut. They are adding to the confusion. When and IF they are needed- they can vote then. If the people pick a candidate- then the super delegates should not even vote. Otherwise the entire democratic party election process is just an election by the elite!
Posted by: Teri | April 24, 2008, 4:09 pm 4:09 pm
Sounds fine as long as the voters of FLA and MI are represented.
Posted by: alpaig | April 24, 2008, 4:11 pm 4:11 pm
Hillary and her staff (who are carefully choosing her words for her) need to realize that this thing is decided. Obama is the candidate, he won this year based on the rules laid out for this primary. She needs to step out of the race for the good of the party. She has run a dirty tricks old fashion politics campaign and it is getting her no where. She is winning the states she is winning based on history and not what she stands for today. Hillary get out and do us all a favor. Obama is the nominee and next President of the USA. Obama ’08
Posted by: Swifty | April 24, 2008, 4:11 pm 4:11 pm
Well why don’t we take MI and FL. and Hillary can run as an independent its about time this country had a working class party.and since we are not as liberal as the left wing nuts it would be just fine with me.
Posted by: Bishop | April 24, 2008, 4:11 pm 4:11 pm
Yes. We need to unite.
Obama needs to drop out.
Posted by: tomdavie | April 24, 2008, 4:16 pm 4:16 pm
This is insane.
Reality = The Clintons know that there is a lot of racism out there. The Clinton camp is simply trying to delay the superdelegates from moving to Obama until a racist-driven “swiftboat”-like event happens to Obama.
The Clintons are truly repelling. Any other non-Clinton candidate would have conceded by now if they were in her situation. The most logical index of success in this race = the number of delegates won. Yet Hillary wants to change the rules midstream. She also signed (early in the nomination process) an agreement, along with Obama, that the disqualified states (Michigan & Florida) would not count. Now she is screaming that its infair and has a renewed concern for the voices of voters in those states.
That said, the reason this contest persists (longer than anyone wanted) is that there is a large number of Americans out there who are backing Hillary in her ridiculous behavior and claims. They either dont “get it” or are wilfully choosing to be unfair (as is Clinton). It makes one want to disengage from political involvement altogether.
In any case, the Democratic party loses as a result of Clinton (and her followers) behavior.
Posted by: Mike Denhof | April 24, 2008, 4:16 pm 4:16 pm
Bishop…………….THAT’S AN EXCELLENT IDEA! HILLARY SHOULD JUST ACCEPT DEFEAT FROM THE DEMOCRATIC ELECTION AND RUN AS AN INDEPENDENT.
Posted by: John | April 24, 2008, 4:18 pm 4:18 pm
“If they seat MI and FL delegates with their votes, I swear I’ll never vote democrat again!”
So how are MI and FL supposed to count?
Posted by: Cord | April 24, 2008, 4:18 pm 4:18 pm
The DNC is run more like a gestapo than a Democracy. Reid and Pelosi are inept as Congressional Leaders and Dean has proven himself to be a doctor, not an Exective by any stretch of the imagination. I say let all the votes count. Florida had a valid election and Michigan should redo theirs because Dean messed it up. Let ALL OF THE VOTES COUNT!!!
Posted by: Bill | April 24, 2008, 4:18 pm 4:18 pm
I think that’s fair. By that point the primaries are over. Deciding now is simply wrong. They should see where the voting trend is going, if Hillary continues her winning streak even with Obama’s attempt to buy the election, then to support Obama borders on negligent. Obama cannot win the general election. He is taking it for granted that traditional democrats who have not supported him so far will do so in the fall. They won’t. He’s not qualified to be president. I won’t vote for him.
Posted by: Wendy | April 24, 2008, 4:19 pm 4:19 pm
Mike denhof………The Clintons are crafty strategist dude; however,you are giving them far to much credit man.
Posted by: Jason | April 24, 2008, 4:21 pm 4:21 pm
Hell hath no fury like millions of women scorned… If they don’t allow the first viable candidacy of a woman for president to run its course and go to the convention for a vote, they’d better watch out. Obama supporters and the Obama press have been trying to scare us about what will happen with the black vote and the youth vote if Obama loses the nomination — well how about losing 66% of women voters? Plus those FL and MI voters? I’m with Bishop, we’ll just form a third party, because the Democrats will be history.
Posted by: Vnd | April 24, 2008, 4:21 pm 4:21 pm
Hillary has been told to drop out since NH every win is not a win and talk about spin why can’t it go to the floor if it was good enough for Kennedy and Carter in 80 and Teddy only had 1200 to Carters 1900 why isn’t it good enough for Hillary.
Posted by: Bishop | April 24, 2008, 4:21 pm 4:21 pm
Mike Denhof,
the only thing rediculous is the fact that people continue to vote for an anti american racist like obama…the words from his pastor said it all..he supports this guy, been friends with him for years…its rediculous
Posted by: ryan | April 24, 2008, 4:24 pm 4:24 pm
Hillary: If they want to play dirty, then I agree with the previous blogger. Run independent!!! That will shut them up!!!!
Posted by: mary | April 24, 2008, 4:24 pm 4:24 pm
SO, changing the rules is ok under certain circumstances??? Then, the voters of Michigan and Florida should be counted as voted, also. If you can change the rules as you please, then change them in the light of fairness for all voters, includint those voters in those two states.
Posted by: SM | April 24, 2008, 4:25 pm 4:25 pm
Can we really afford to look at Michelle Obama as our first lady for the next four years!
Please, please, please voters don’t do this to us.
Posted by: mary | April 24, 2008, 4:28 pm 4:28 pm
the democratic convention is to blame for the division in the party…they are the ones that come up with these causus’s..a total joke of a way to elect a nominee…thy also dont take after the republican way, which has been decided for months now…they require over 2000 delegates which is waaaay more than the republicans…if they wanted it decided earlier, they should find a way to revote MI and FL and should change their policy
Posted by: ryan | April 24, 2008, 4:28 pm 4:28 pm
It seems like external forces are not willing to let the super-delegates take as much time as each individual may need to make up their mind on the candidate.
If I was a super-delegate, I would insist on my basic rights to make up my mind according to my time-table and not someone else’s. There is nothing magical about a July 1 deadline.
I would also insist that if I continue to receive such pressure, then I would defy the rules of the convention by ACTUALLY NOT VOTING for either candidate as a way of protesting against those who are trying to circumvent the process.
That’s right, put pressure on me as a super-delegate, then I will simply withhold my vote period. IT IS JUST THAT SIMPLE.
Posted by: D77 | April 24, 2008, 4:29 pm 4:29 pm
The Penn voters said it best when polled as to who they would vote for if Hillary was not the nominee..50% said they would not vote Obama because they can see thru this lies and deceipt..he is a joke and i am with the people of Penn..i will vote Mccain over obama as much as i hate to say it
Posted by: ryan | April 24, 2008, 4:31 pm 4:31 pm
Is it true Obama took the day off today
Posted by: Bishop | April 24, 2008, 4:32 pm 4:32 pm
I think the Clinton campaign would better make the case over setting the Florida delegation if it didn’t include the Michigan delegation. In Michigan, hers was the only name on the ballot, so its hardly fair at all. The case for Florida is a little (a little mind!) more clear. (For instance when Clinton counts her votes in Michigan on the popular vote count, does Obama get any votes at all, decpite the fact he was the one who did what the candidates had all agreed.)
And those Clintonistas who say that both candidates are relying on the Super Ds, whilst technically correct, fail to acknowledge that for Clinton to win now, the Super ds are going to have to over turn the decision of the pledged delegates.
Posted by: markymark | April 24, 2008, 4:32 pm 4:32 pm
The media could EASILY take this and chastise the Democratic leaders for BULLYING super delegates and corrupting the process.
But they WONT.
The media itself is CORRUPT AND BIASED for Obama.
The media insists on MAKING UP its own news instead of just reporting it.
Posted by: tomdavie | April 24, 2008, 4:32 pm 4:32 pm
mary
you are ridiculous…with all these statements… I hope your just rambling and not thinking because if you do …
you don’t care about the country …you care about your candidate…
and that is the problem here.
Posted by: dl | April 24, 2008, 4:34 pm 4:34 pm
Obamaforpresident:
Contrary to your belief, the exit polls in Pennsylvania showed that if Obama was the democratic nominee, that 28% of Hillary Supporters said they would vote republican in the fall. 16% of Hillary supporters said if Obama was the nominee they would not vote at all.
But…….Obama supporters said that if Hillary was the democratic nominee, 67% would vote for Hillary.
Now, I ask you, do you want to throw away a Democrate getting into the Whitehouse because of Hillary supporters not voting for him in the General Election.
Also, Hillary Clinton got 85% of the Catholic vote in Pennsylvania. He only gt 18%.
In a national poll, she gets ober 67% of the Catholic vote. McCain gets close to 30% and Obama only gets about 4%.
And, guess what, Obama did campaign in Florida; he was the only one,contrary to what is believed, that ran a TV ad in that state.
SO, I see it as Obama broke the rules. He did campaign. So in that sense, Hillary did win the state and the votes should count.
Posted by: mary | April 24, 2008, 4:35 pm 4:35 pm
tomdavie — spot on!
A vote cast is 1 vote to add to your column. More people have cast their vote for “Hillary Clinton” than anyone else in the primary election. There was no requirement for Barack Obama to remove his name from the Michigan ballot and as a matter of fact, not everyone took theirs off.
Barack Obama has not been consistent on his views of MI and FL and it’s going to bite him in the a$$! But that’s okay, the MSM will find a way to spin it so that it is Hillary Clinton’s fault.
Posted by: LOM | April 24, 2008, 4:36 pm 4:36 pm
July 1st?? The Super’s need to make up their mine now and put this thing to bed! Billery cannot win! Obama has fairly beaten her at her own game! He’s won more state, he has more delegates and he’s won more of the popular vote, so what does that tell you?? So what she won PA. She was suppose to win PA! But she didn’t get the 20 point blow-out, which is what SHE REALLY needed to make an impact. So, stop this madness and Billery and her imaginary math! She keeps saying he can’t close the deal. The question should be, why can’t you close the deal. How can you let a junior Senator come out of nowhere and beat you? She had the money, the name, and the machine behind her. Plus, your husband was the Prez for eight years! So, really, what does that say about you?? And now look at you. Your behind in everything, including money and you have the nerve to say that you have more votes?? You agreed in the beginning and said that MI and FL should not count. But now that you NEED them, they are all of a sudden “disenfrachised”. Get a grip. The Super’s need to end this soap opera as fast as possible. Get a spine for god’s sake and tell her to pack her bags!
Posted by: SDW | April 24, 2008, 4:36 pm 4:36 pm
tomdavie
go look at the directive for the Sloan Comission that created the superdelegates…
they are not changing the rules… they are actually reinforcing the directive of the committee that actually created the supers.
They are there to make sure no one tries to play funny business with the party members vote.
It is about making sure the votes of the voters were not boondoggled with “beauty contests” and “Ballots without names trying to be counted”
not to overthrow the delegates.
Posted by: dl | April 24, 2008, 4:37 pm 4:37 pm
dl: Didn’t you watch the results of the Pennsylvania Primary. They gave the breakdowns I posted on all the news sites as; CNN, ABC and MISNBC.
Where were You?????
Posted by: mary | April 24, 2008, 4:38 pm 4:38 pm
tomdavie
go look at the directive for the Sloan Comission that created the superdelegates…
they are not changing the rules… they are actually reinforcing the directive of the committee that actually created the supers.
They are there to make sure no one tries to play funny business with the party members vote.
It is about making sure the votes of the voters were not boondoggled with “beauty contests” and “Ballots without names trying to be counted”
not to overthrow the delegates.
Posted by: dl | April 24, 2008, 4:38 pm 4:38 pm
Lets not forget Hillary like Obama signed a contract voting both MI and FL votes nor delegates would not count.
She’s even on tape.
Whats changed?
Hillary NEEDS these states desperately to stand a CHANCE
Its also laughable Hillary’s claim to the popular vote
She counts MI and FL but fails to count the 12 caucasus Obama won
If we were to count ALL the states and caucasus, including MI and FL
Obama is up by 500,000+
Back to the subject at hand
This bodes well for Obama. If this doesn’t go to the convention, we ALL know Obama wins the nomination.
Posted by: Vanessa | April 24, 2008, 4:39 pm 4:39 pm
Read, Pelosi and Dean can go to hell as far as I am concerned. Vote independent!
Posted by: Tina from Florida | April 24, 2008, 4:39 pm 4:39 pm
Hillary as an indeoendent sounds good to me and as far as roev wade they have benn using that as an issue for way to long. how about equal pay for women why should some young guy get what hillary has worked for all her life there was plenty of time to revote in FL. and MI. and Hillary would have been ahead the Democrats had no faith in Hillary so they can worry about the mess were in .
Posted by: Bishop | April 24, 2008, 4:40 pm 4:40 pm
So you HIllary supporters would be content with a president who changes the rules as she goes.
FACT = Hillary has already lost the Democratic nomination by the only reasonable metric (i.e., the number of delegates won).
The Clinton camp’s only hope (and intent) is that he be deemed disqualified or un-electable through a massive, racism-based swiftboat-like event against him.
FACT: Many superdelegates are refraining to choose their candidate out of selfishness (i.e., they dont want to take the chance of alianating some of their own supporters in their states if they dont absolutely have to). This is not the behavior of true and worthy leaders. McCain is gaining exponentially every day as a result.
Posted by: Mike Denhof | April 24, 2008, 4:41 pm 4:41 pm
I honestly don’t think it’s Obama or Clinton who is ruining the democratic party. It’s people like Dean, Reid, and Pelosi. They’re being heavyhanded, and if they push this, they will be the ones alienating their constituency, not Obama or Clinton. The only sins of these two candidates in this primary campaign are that they are running for the nomination in a party that is tripping over itself and the idiotic decisions it has made in choosing a nominee. The Democrats need to designate some winner-take-all states AND do away with superdelegates if they’re not going to be given the freedom to decide what’s best for the party. I agree with the previous poster — superdelegates who are leaned on should simply not vote. Pelosi Dean and Reid are all idiots — they make me ashamed to call myself a democrat.
Posted by: layne | April 24, 2008, 4:41 pm 4:41 pm
I’m with you Tina Independent Hillary
Posted by: Bishop | April 24, 2008, 4:42 pm 4:42 pm
I HAVE TO LAUGH BECAUSE WHAT YOU FAIL TO REALIZE, IT’S NOT ABOUT ANYMORE WHO HAS THE MOST DELEGATES….WHO HAS THE MOST POPULAR VOTES…..IT’S WHO IS GOING TO BEAT MCCAIN IN THE FALL.
WITH ALL THE NEGATIVITY ABOUT OBAMA AND HIS COMMENTS ABOUT THE MIDDLE INCOME WORKING FAMILY, HE WILL NOT GET NOMINATED.
WHO DO YOU THINK VOTES IN THE FALL: IT’S YOUR WORKING CLASS, BLUE COLLAR, OLDER WOMEN,CATHOLIC VOTERS. THEY ARE THE STING VOTES.
OBAMA CANNOT DO IT!!!!
Posted by: mary | April 24, 2008, 4:42 pm 4:42 pm
There are NO rules that say the superdelegates have to vote the way of pledged delegates. Why have them then? So stop making up “fake” rules and pretending that you really care about the process when in fact, you don’t.
Here are some reminders of what the superdelegates role are in this primary:
“These superdelegates have the right to vote their conscience and who they think would be the better president” — Nancy Pelosi, April 1, 2008
“They should use whatever yardstick they want, that’s what the rules provide for.” — Howard Dean, April 2, 2008
Posted by: LOM | April 24, 2008, 4:43 pm 4:43 pm
you got it right Mary go Hillary
Posted by: Bishop | April 24, 2008, 4:44 pm 4:44 pm
the only reasonable metric?
Is Mike Denhof’s real name Donna Brazile?
Posted by: LOM | April 24, 2008, 4:47 pm 4:47 pm
Nowhere does Clinton nor Obama say that the VOTE in Michigan and Florida do not count. That is BS.
The documents says the VOTE doesnt count in SELECTING DELEGATES. This is very clear.
Not that they CANT vote. Not that they CANT have ballots. Not that they CANT select a candidate. NOT that they WONT tally up the votes.
The popular vote arguement is to super delegates about the WILL of the people RHETORIC that Obama is using.
Yes, those VOTES are a direct will of the people. YES , they count in that argument.
Obama lover dont like it cause it doesnt FAVOR OBAMA.
Obama lovers dont mind when Clinton wins Nevada by 6% -but Obama gets an extra delegate. No complaint there.
Or Clinton wins a HUGE primary in Texas -but then LOSES the caucus on the same night with the same selected voters , and the way the delegates are tap danced in a lopsided fashion, Obama gets more delegates.
No sir. No complaint there.
Obama wants it 500 different ways. Tap dancing from one foot to the next.
The will of the people as set down by the constitution is CLEARY majority vote rules.
Al gore got the ‘will of the people’ but the college elected bush.
It still doesnt change the FACT that Al Gore got the ‘will of the people’ .
So yes, Michigan and Floridas VOTES matter. The delegates dont .
Posted by: tomdavie | April 24, 2008, 4:48 pm 4:48 pm
How long has it been since Obama won a state.
Posted by: Bishop | April 24, 2008, 4:48 pm 4:48 pm
Kevin: I’d like to, but I am at work. And boy are we an angry person.
Heh, baby wash out that dirty mouth.
But of course, your just one of those Kool Aid kids, whom doesn’t know better.
Your Obama is toast, baby!!!!
Posted by: mary | April 24, 2008, 4:48 pm 4:48 pm
You people need to stop quoting polls. I haven’t seen any that were correct this season. People will say one thing to your face and do another in the polling booth. You had better believe that this is what is going to happen to Obama.
Posted by: Tina from Florida | April 24, 2008, 4:49 pm 4:49 pm
For Mike Denhof:
“FACT = Hillary has already lost the Democratic nomination by the only reasonable metric (i.e., the number of delegates won).”
WRONG! There are several reasonable metrics to use when determining which candidate is more likely to win. One is pledged delegates — the two are closer in pledged delegates than any democratic nomination, even the ones which were contested. One is states won. But Obama has NO CHANCE of winning most of the states he’s won in a general election. Most of those states have not voted Democratic in a general election in years and not by slim margins either. It’s foolish to think he’ll win those states. Whereas Hillary’s big wins not only in battleground states, but also in battleground constituencies shows she’s the stronger candidate. And the last measure of who would be the best candidate — electoral college and electability. Obama cannot win. It’s that simple. So keep fighting for him for the nomination. You’re doing everything you can to ensure McCain is our next president!
“FACT: Many superdelegates are refraining to choose their candidate out of selfishness (i.e., they dont want to take the chance of alianating some of their own supporters in their states if they dont absolutely have to). This is not the behavior of true and worthy leaders. McCain is gaining exponentially every day as a result.”
Um, do you watch the news? The reason most are staying out of it is because this is the closest race for the nomination ever, and they want to see who, at the end of the race, looks like the better candidate to win the presidency. That is, if idiots like Pelosi Reid and Dean would keep their mouths shut and their letters to themselves.
Posted by: layne | April 24, 2008, 4:51 pm 4:51 pm
Bishop
Obama won 2 straight states before Pennsylvania. He won Mississippi and Wyomin. So, IDIOT, get educated. If Hillary really has momentum, then she should win North Carolina. if she doesn’t, then she SHOULD LEAVE the race. A democrat cannot win the presidency without the black vote. THIS IS A FACT.
Posted by: Kevin | April 24, 2008, 4:51 pm 4:51 pm
All this bickering -
Anybody ever consider putting them BOTH on the SAME TICKET?
That’d be one way to round up all the votes and insure a victory.
Posted by: LennyB17 | April 24, 2008, 4:51 pm 4:51 pm
layne — Agreed. The Democratic leadership (oxymoron) should be ashamed of themselves. This is a mess with little to no resolution in sight.
Posted by: LOM | April 24, 2008, 4:51 pm 4:51 pm
LOM
read the directive of the Sloan committee…
there may not be “rules” by which a super votes …but there is a directive and a purpose for their vote…and that is to support the democratic initiative of their partty members and to be held more responsible to their party members.
That is not making up rules …that is what is written in the commisioning of the Sloan Committee and its’ purpose before that came back with the superdelegates but Hillary’s friends and Geraldine ferraro have spun this in a totally different way.
Posted by: dl | April 24, 2008, 4:53 pm 4:53 pm
After 30 years of being a Democrat, I had ENOUGH of the Deans & Pelosi’s spreading their complete ineptness throughout the party.
As of yesterday I became a Independant!
COUNT THE FL & MI VOTES NOW…then have the gall to tell others what they have to do.
Posted by: XDemocrat | April 24, 2008, 4:54 pm 4:54 pm
Hillary is still standing so far every thing that Axelrod who is a real dirty player could think of has brought her down because women are standing up for her all over the states and all the years I have been going to the polls you know who you see at the polls on Election women lots of them.
Posted by: Bishop | April 24, 2008, 4:54 pm 4:54 pm
Some Obama’s fans are so desperate to crown their idol NOW!!! Even Bush knew he has not sealed the nomination yet…
BTW, pleas don’t fall in love with POLLS… It is very misleading just like Obama…….
Posted by: True Truth | April 24, 2008, 4:54 pm 4:54 pm
So they have time to force the super delegates to vote but not time to resolve the Florida and Michigan issue. If they force the issue and allow Obama to be crowned the nominee, I and many other life-long Democrats will actively campaign and support McCain and Republican Senate and Congressional candidates. The Democrats need to lose control of the House and Senate so that we can get Peloski and Reid out of their positions! Obama=McGovern
Posted by: Dfinke | April 24, 2008, 4:55 pm 4:55 pm
layne – So if I understand you right, the DNC should treat all states as equal, but some states are more equal than other states….where have I heard that before….?
Posted by: jmengate | April 24, 2008, 4:55 pm 4:55 pm
The candidate with the most pledged delegates, states won and popular vote going into the Pennsylvania primary, the FRONTRUNNER with the momentum, should have reasonably won the election there. Since Senator Obama didn’t, he should leave the race. A democrat cannot win the presidency without the white, blue-collar vote. This is a FACT.
Posted by: LOM | April 24, 2008, 4:55 pm 4:55 pm
Who are the members of the credentials committee? How important is the July 1 date when power shifts from rules to credentials. This all sounds like the Puerto Rico “issue” and Mi and FL to me. How many elephants are in the room?
Could the democrat party have gotten into a bigger mess than we know?
Posted by: Smith | April 24, 2008, 4:55 pm 4:55 pm
Mary,
I agree with you.
If DNC plays dirty and abandons Hillary .
Hillary should run as Independent and we vote for her.
That’s how we show our protest no need to have a riot like Obamanites treathened the Superdelegates.
Posted by: crisis08 | April 24, 2008, 4:56 pm 4:56 pm
LOL
Hillary supporters not only sound angry but delusional
You’re “inevitable” candidate is done
This is what happens when one has no plan B
The Clinton campaign under estimated the Obama campiagn b/c of her name and “legacy”
haha
Never count chickens until their hatched
Posted by: Vanessa | April 24, 2008, 4:58 pm 4:58 pm
Third party anyone? The Democratic party has become a joke.
Posted by: Tom in MA | April 24, 2008, 4:58 pm 4:58 pm
dl — Then maybe instead of pitching your argument to a bunch of people posting comments on an ABCNews website, you should be making it to the people who matter like the DNC? Obviously, they are the ones who don’t know what they are talking about–why don’t you go educate them? The school of thought from folks like Dean and Pelosi is that superdelegates can vote as they wish.
Posted by: LOM | April 24, 2008, 4:58 pm 4:58 pm
The only democratic president to win two terms in my lifetime and I am 54 years olds is Bill Clinton. I have a feeling he will be the only one even if I live to be 100 years old. Democrats are just to wimpy to rumble, except for the Clinton’s. We have to play nice-nice.
Posted by: Tina from Florida | April 24, 2008, 4:59 pm 4:59 pm
Can the democrat party last until july 1st? Lets hope not!
Posted by: Dan | April 24, 2008, 4:59 pm 4:59 pm
Dear Kevin true a democrat can’t win without the black vote nor can they win without the women vote. and you don’t have to call people names to get your point across.
Posted by: Bishop | April 24, 2008, 5:00 pm 5:00 pm
They have no right, authority, or ability to do this. Nor would any endorsement from anyone be binding.
Super delegates are allowed to be publicly neutral and never tell anyone who they voted for, forever. They don’t even have to “ENDORSE” at convention.
They need to stop this garbage really and forcus on resolving Michigan and Florida and for Reid and Pelosi doing their day jobs, which they have been doing abismally.
Maybe if Pelosi spent more time on her day job and less time bullying people into backing Obama, women would have equal pay legislation today.
Get back to work Pelosi!!
Posted by: s.b. | April 24, 2008, 5:01 pm 5:01 pm
Take it to the floor Hill!!!
Posted by: s.b. | April 24, 2008, 5:02 pm 5:02 pm
Mary,
Let’s look at your statistics… you say, “if Obama was the democratic nominee, that 28% of Hillary Supporters said they would vote republican in the fall.” and that ” Obama supporters said that if Hillary was the democratic nominee, 67% would vote for Hillary.”
You then argue that Obama people wouldn’t vote for Hillary so we should elect her… but… as I look at these stats, I believe they are saying that 72% of Hillary Supporters would vote for Obama (100% – 28% that would vote Republican is 72%) while only 67% of Obama people for Hillary.
So… using your logic… we should want Obama because he keeps more votes in the Democratic Party.
Posted by: Jimmy | April 24, 2008, 5:03 pm 5:03 pm
The American electoral system is over-complicated, and in shambles. The 2000 general election and the superdelegate argument which is currently going on are examples of this fact. The system needs to be modernised and reformed, the entire government for that matter. A parliamentary form of governance would be a grand idea. Vote party not person, whoever is leader of the party automatically becomes president. This makes snap-elections possible, and dramatically reduces the time it takes to get results.
Posted by: Thatcher79 | April 24, 2008, 5:03 pm 5:03 pm
Swifty,
He did not play old dirty Washington politic?
really?
He sent out fliers and run negative ads about Hillary.
He attacks her also.
Posted by: crisis08 | April 24, 2008, 5:03 pm 5:03 pm
there is no way a Democrat will be president if Obama is the one to run aganist McCain. I frimly believe Clinton can beat Mc Cain.For what it is worth I really do not think none of those running would make a good President.
Posted by: betty | April 24, 2008, 5:04 pm 5:04 pm
No one wins until all the votes are counted. No one can, well not a Democrat.
Posted by: s.b. | April 24, 2008, 5:04 pm 5:04 pm
there is no way a Democrat will be president if Obama is the one to run aganist McCain. I frimly believe Clinton can beat Mc Cain.For what it is worth I really do not think none of those running would make a good President.
Posted by: betty | April 24, 2008, 5:04 pm 5:04 pm
Swifty et al.
Obama hasn’t won anything for more than two months now.
Posted by: commonsensenj | April 24, 2008, 5:04 pm 5:04 pm
So these three have time to force the delegates to make a decision, but they can’t find the time to address the voters issues in Florida and Michigan? What a joke!! If they allow King Obama to be crowned the nominee, I will actively support and campaign for McCain and all the Republican Senate and Congressional candidates. This is the only way to get rid of these 3!! We need our voices heard in November since the Democratic leaders don’t seem open to doing the right thing!! Obama is the 2nd coming of McGovern!! Can’t wait to see him lose in November if he is given the nomination!!!
Posted by: Debbie | April 24, 2008, 5:05 pm 5:05 pm
LOM like I said earlier
Pelosi already stated this remember? They should follow the will of the people.
Like I said no rules but she was right when she said that…that was the purpose of superdelegates.
and yes I think someone should have read the notes from that meeting and the description/directive that is not only at the Library of Congress but in various political reference books…
all people keep saying that they were created to the reaction of a bad election…well know they were created from the Sloan Commission out of a specific need and directive… to insure that the party be more democratic and the part officials and elders were held more accountable to the voters.
and yes I have personally sent copies myself to the dnc but they probably are trying (out of deference to Hillary and her supporters to let them have as open a chance as they can…and thus the same reason barack says she can run as long as she wants and the supers can decide how they must…but their directive…or at least the directive that they were created out of was to support the voters/members and only make sure no funny business was used to twist the vote)
Posted by: dl | April 24, 2008, 5:05 pm 5:05 pm
Like any democrat is going to win North Carolina or Wyoming in Nov. Now Ohio and Pennsylvania that could go either way.
Posted by: Tina from Florida | April 24, 2008, 5:05 pm 5:05 pm
They have no right, authority, or ability to do this. Nor would any endorsement from anyone be binding.
Super delegates are allowed to be publicly neutral and never tell anyone who they voted for, forever. They don’t even have to “ENDORSE” at convention.
They need to stop this garbage really and forcus on resolving Michigan and Florida and for Reid and Pelosi doing their day jobs, which they have been doing abismally.
Maybe if Pelosi spent more time on her day job and less time bullying people into backing Obama, women would have equal pay legislation today.
Get back to work Pelosi!!
Posted by: asinine | April 24, 2008, 5:07 pm 5:07 pm
Jimmy: But if 28% of the Hillary supporters vote for McCain, that gives him added leverage and votes against Obama. If the race is close in votes, that added 28% would put McCain over the top.
Posted by: mary | April 24, 2008, 5:07 pm 5:07 pm
So these three have time to force the delegates to make a decision, but they can’t find the time to address the voters issues in Florida and Michigan? What a joke!! If they allow King Obama to be crowned the nominee, I will actively support and campaign for McCain and all the Republican Senate and Congressional candidates. This is the only way to get rid of these 3!! We need our voices heard in November since the Democratic leaders don’t seem open to doing the right thing!! Obama is the 2nd coming of Hitler!! Can’t wait to see him lose in November if he is given the nomination!!!
Posted by: eve | April 24, 2008, 5:09 pm 5:09 pm
Why is any of this relevant when Obama’s
going to jail??
Posted by: nancy | April 24, 2008, 5:12 pm 5:12 pm
In fact the situation that Clinton is trying to pull right now in Michigan setting up delegates to only be for her…is exactly the reason superdelegates were created.
Posted by: dl | April 24, 2008, 5:13 pm 5:13 pm
Pathological thinking has brought most of you to believe that Obama is not letting MI and FL votes count. He did not make that rule, Hillary can have the votes for all we care ,just watch what is going to happen in IN and NC, then you all will stop weeping. People are not happy with Hillary not loosing honourable thus will be forced out. She is too desperate to be running for the interest of the common man. Screw them bill says Hillary in the past about the common man
Posted by: Hugo | April 24, 2008, 5:13 pm 5:13 pm
Reid, Pelosi and Dean, The three stooges
Posted by: Tina from Florida | April 24, 2008, 5:13 pm 5:13 pm
In fact the situation that Clinton is trying to pull right now in Michigan setting up delegates to only be for her…is exactly the reason superdelegates were created.
Posted by: dl | April 24, 2008, 5:13 pm 5:13 pm
Frankly, Obama’s negatives are
overwhelming….
Posted by: frank | April 24, 2008, 5:15 pm 5:15 pm
Wells747 Got news for you:
People need to wake up and realize this race is over. So Indiana and North Carolina, you can vote for someone who has already lost or you can vote for Obama who already has won this race. I keep hearing there is a race for popular vote. If there is a race for popular vote, how do you count caucus states (i.e Alaska, Washington State, etc.) where there are no true popular numbers ? So to me the popular vote rhetoric cannot be used by the super delegates in deciding this race. Truly superdelegates should take a look at the delegate counts. Both candidates will beat John McCain, so electability shouldn’t be an issue. Infact on the issue of electability, the Republicans appear to prefer to run against Hillary, than Obama.
Bottom line, the Democratic Party has it’s Presidential Candidate. It is Obama. He has won the most pledged delegates, he has won the most states, and given the fact that there is no true way of deciphering popular vote received by some of the caucus states it is unusable. Regardless of the outcome of North Carolina and Indiana, Obama has already won the Democratic primary for 2008. The sooner people realize this, the sooner the party can mend and we move forward against the Republicans. To vote for Hillary is like the Republicans still voting for Huckabee… It means nothing..
Posted by: Becky | April 24, 2008, 5:16 pm 5:16 pm
Debbie,
I totally agree with you. These three make me ashamed to be a Democrat and I never, ever thought I would make that statement. If they refuse to hear from the voters in Florida and Michigan, they have lost me for a long time. I will actively campaign for McCain.
Posted by: savethemiddleclass | April 24, 2008, 5:17 pm 5:17 pm
The Obama people know in their
heart they are with a loser…
Posted by: ruby | April 24, 2008, 5:17 pm 5:17 pm
LOL! Alfredo, you sound just like Hillary! Desparate! No matter how you spin it, Obama has beaten her! Get that? BEATEN HER! I’m sorry to be the one to tell you . . . .
Posted by: SDW | April 24, 2008, 5:19 pm 5:19 pm
Becky: So you’re saying the FL and MI votes should not count?
Posted by: American Idol | April 24, 2008, 5:19 pm 5:19 pm
Hugo -
North Carolina doesn’t have 43 superdelegates.
AND yes it is true that Obama took the day off and went home. Don’t you think he might be in Indiana – oh that’s right – every time something breaks about him (read that Rev. Wright today) he disappears.
Pelosi, Reid and Dean are Nazis. AND I agree – the Clintons are the only ones with any guts in the Democratic party.
Posted by: Kris | April 24, 2008, 5:20 pm 5:20 pm
Beyond personality which every one posses, Obama attracts a high sense of passion, Obama’s words makes tears drop from impossible eyes. Bush love him secretly and if not for partisian allegiance would have long apologized to American people for the war in iraq and endorse Obama. Hillary Love Obama as well but hate the fact that her ambition is reduced to nothing by him. He started off as a non issue and now he is a big bone to swallow. Hate him ,love Him that young man looks inevitable. If you love America better than you love Hillary, vote him when nominated. He means America well and everybody knows this. God bless America
Posted by: Elderly white Man | April 24, 2008, 5:21 pm 5:21 pm
Quote/
Swifty et al.
Obama hasn’t won anything for more than two months now.
Posted by: commonsensenj | Apr 24, 2008 5:04:44 PM
Quote/
And you are claiming common sense??
Hmmm, yeah, right.
Posted by: DS | April 24, 2008, 5:21 pm 5:21 pm
I think putting the words “Democrat” and “Leaders” together to describe these 3 morons is insulting to all democrats.
The only reason these idiots are in power is because the democrats sold the American people a FALSE bill of goods about how they were going to get us out of Iraq, stop the “culture of corruption,” improve the economy, etc.
When will they start to take some responsibility for what has been happening over the last year or so? You can’t blame everything on the Republicans forever (especially when you have a majority in both houses of Congress).
BTW, didn’t Dr. Death (er, Dr. Dean) just say last week that the superdelegates need to decide by June?
What a disaster!
Posted by: Aaron Burr | April 24, 2008, 5:21 pm 5:21 pm
The sad fact is Obama is simply
weaker than Clinton or McCain…
Posted by: betty | April 24, 2008, 5:21 pm 5:21 pm
SDW – sorry to tell me. Sounds familiar when Obama dais soory for his irresponsible comments about the Pennsylavnnians. Saem feather flocks together. Grow up kid!
Posted by: Alfredo | April 24, 2008, 5:23 pm 5:23 pm
We would not have this problem if it was not for
the empty, filthy rhetoric that comes
out of Obama’s mouth…
Posted by: frenzy | April 24, 2008, 5:23 pm 5:23 pm
In TX, Obama won caucus by 10%, but lost in primary by 4%.
In WA, Obama won caucus by 37%, but only won primary by 5%.
How could he have any chance against McCain?
Posted by: Caucus vs. Primary | April 24, 2008, 5:23 pm 5:23 pm
WOW the three stooges have spoken, I am sure the superduper deligates are worried now.
Posted by: billy bob | April 24, 2008, 5:23 pm 5:23 pm
Hillary and her supporters are living in a parallel universe. This race was over on March 4 when she failed to win decisively in Texas and Ohio. Her arithmetic gymanstics may become a new Olympic discipline but it won’t change the numbers. The “adults” in the Party should have told her on March 5 to step down or they would step in.
Posted by: Uwe | April 24, 2008, 5:25 pm 5:25 pm
Hillary Clinton is looking like the clearer choice with every passing day…
Obama’s heart is not really into it…
(same thing happened to Ross Perot)
Vote Hillary 08!!!
Posted by: oil | April 24, 2008, 5:25 pm 5:25 pm
please why is Pelosi so evil and desperately against Clinton a fellow woman like her???????????????????
Posted by: A True black American | April 24, 2008, 5:26 pm 5:26 pm
Hey Becky…I’ve got news for you
I am not a Clinton or Obama supporter so i am not trying to plead for Clinton. My point is…Obama is ahead right now. He has not won b/c he has not reached the number of delegates required to take the nomination!!!! The superdelegates have to make the choice. So….until he has enough superdelegates to push him over the required number HE HAS NOT WON!!! Neither has Clinton. So while he is ahead right now and has a good shot of winning HE HAS NOT WON ANYTHING!!!!! This is like calling one team a winner in a football game at halftime just b/c they are ahead.
Maybe you and Kevin should talk more…you seem to have a lot in common.
Posted by: Wells747 | April 24, 2008, 5:27 pm 5:27 pm
Frankly, Obama is not qualified
to be more than a legal assistant.
Posted by: Official | April 24, 2008, 5:27 pm 5:27 pm
yeha gang
a revolution and change are difficult…
There’s soon to be a new sheriff in town and his name is not Clinton or Bush or Cheney or any of those old political spin machine people.
and from the ashes comes a new America.
Obama supporters know change is hard…but we are almost there.
to the Clinton supporters…we know how hard it is to realize that the brand you have been fighting for for 15 years is not so great…but when you have been fighting for it and defending it…and looking back at it much better than it was during the darkest times we have had…
it is hard to let go and realize just because something is different does not mean that it is hiding something bad around every corner…that is a political structure that is set up and played upon to keep those who have power …powerful.
but America is better than some country that just gets fat and lazy and just becomes complacent with being run by politicians because we are use to them.
The politicians we have had for the past two decades (yes the clintons laid the ground work for the damage and ability to do that damge that Bush has done).
We need to get off this road or your children and grandchildren will not have a very bright future. The system is broke…means we don’t go back to someone who helped add to the parts of the system that broke it.
Revolutions are hard.
Change is hard…
Posted by: dl | April 24, 2008, 5:29 pm 5:29 pm
American Idol.
No they should not. They had rules set and they chose to break them, out and out, knowing what it would come down to. I am sorry for the people in the those states but they need to take their frustrations up with their Governors. I would not expect my vote to count if it was my state. You cannot make rules and then break them to benefit yourself. It makes you look bad.
Posted by: Becky | April 24, 2008, 5:29 pm 5:29 pm
Wells747:
He has won. Hillary cannot make up those delegates.
She only received 64 from Penn. Obama got 63. She got one more then him. Math.
Posted by: Becky | April 24, 2008, 5:31 pm 5:31 pm
Pelosi should never and never ever be voted again to the house. Americans please vote against this evil woman in the next election she should be silenced she is the main person against Clinton.
Posted by: A True black American | April 24, 2008, 5:33 pm 5:33 pm
and to all those who keep saying Hillary is a fighter and Barack is not strong enough…
do you see where Obama is?
Do you see what he has done already?
He did not get there from spinning a magic spell over people. As much as that suits your argument right now.
He has defeated The Clintons. In a party that put them further up on a pedestal (partly out of self- protection, partly out of comparison to the current republican president)…
He has defeated your candidate…the default leader of the democratic party …in a race in your own party where she was liked more than in a general.
That does not make any sense that you would say that suddenly she would do better in the general…she couldn’t beat HIM in a situation where people liked her.
and you all want to say she is better at the fight than him with 15 years of loyalty and name recognition and the image that she already has been in the White House?!!
think. think. think.
Posted by: dl | April 24, 2008, 5:38 pm 5:38 pm
Whats the rush ? Are you afraid Obama will be vetted more ? There are more scandals still swirling around him. Thats why he wont debate Clinton again. Reid, Pelosi and dumbo Dean want to give Obama the top prize before all hell breaks out and the American people discover more damaging info on him and its coming !!! these Democaratic BOZOS need to solve the Florida problemand possibly Michigan too btu definately Florida because both were on the ballot. It is our constitutional right to have our vote counted. that vote goes to Hillary!!! most of America is now realzing that Obama is all fluff and no substance. HE CANNOT WIN the MIDDLE CLASS !!!
Posted by: junglejim123 | April 24, 2008, 5:38 pm 5:38 pm
Rules should be followed. Since the Democratic Leadership wants to break them and make Super Delegates Declare a Winner early I think FLorida and Michigan should count. There is no two way street. You follow the rules as the leadership has said or you give some leeway none of which they have given the Florida and Michigan Delegations. I say let them wait and it will either be good for the party or bad. I must be honest. I am an independent and float who my support. This is democracy at work. Why panic.
Posted by: Steve | April 24, 2008, 5:38 pm 5:38 pm
Not so as long as HRC has another cackle or breath in her body will the supers decide by July 1. She didn’t live this long only to give up to someone who’s a neophyte. She won’t wait another four or eight years. This is her time and she is entitled to the WH.
Posted by: Frustrated Voter | April 24, 2008, 5:39 pm 5:39 pm
Pelosi never for one day talk about Florida and Michingan . It was only when clinton won two big states consecutively that she wants the superdelegates to quicklly vote agaisnt her before they start changing their minds to vote for Clinotn what a wicked woman. She should never and ever be voted for again to the house. These kind of women like Pelosi should be done away with by the women folk. She is just wicked. How can a woman be so wicked and desperately against the other woman. I know it was mostly women that voted for this woman Pelosi to for the house leader look at her today. She is disgrace to you women!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: A True black American | April 24, 2008, 5:40 pm 5:40 pm
Too funny. MI and FL did not listen to Dean last year, and Dean has completely failed to fix the mess he created. Pelosi and Reid have not tried to fix it. Why are any superdelegates going to listen to them now? What a bunch of fools. Besides, even if all superdelegates indicated who they were supporting, most of them have freedom to switch prior to the convention or after 1 or 2 ballots anyway.
Posted by: Chris NY, NY | April 24, 2008, 5:41 pm 5:41 pm
SuperDelegates, please stop the madness now. Only the candidate who is currently ahead in the popular vote and pledged delegates can win by SuperDelegate decision without it looking like the voters were robbed by elitists. Even if HRC got the nomination, her high negatives could never allow her to beat McCain. By contrast, Obama is polling ahead of McCain. Saying you’re more electable, or that you’re ahead by some metric don’t make it so. We need to stop tearing down our own frontrunner and get geared up for November. p.s. – HRC can never claim to be ahead in the popular vote, because a portion of her “support” is Republicans crossing over to support the weaker and more anger enciting candidate.
Posted by: brad obregon | April 24, 2008, 5:43 pm 5:43 pm
gang
she won’t win. this is all spin. if she keeps this up you will have your answer she puts ehr own presidency above the party and more importantly the state of the nation…
it would be all about 2012.
knock off obama mccain runs and she has a chance to run in 2012.
I hope that isn’t the case but from what we see and looking at the past history of choices by the clintons (who have never put the country ahead of themselves if it helps them yes…if it hurts them no they come first always)…that very well may be the case…we will see.
Posted by: dl | April 24, 2008, 5:44 pm 5:44 pm
Hillary can still win this Hillay is much stronger than Obama he went for the red states easy wins. Tweety on Msnbc the nubers show Obama behind in IN. Why can’t we get all the voting over before we count Hillary out.
Posted by: Bishop | April 24, 2008, 5:45 pm 5:45 pm
House Speaker, Rep. Pelosi should stop trying to inflence the DNC and Democrats to vote for her politician Sen. Barak Obama. Rep. Pelosi should push legislation to stop that fuel costs that have risen 50% under her leadership. American’s know that under Pelosi’s leadership, Democrats have done nothing different that prior to the Democrats taking the majority of both Congressional houses.
Posted by: Dr Hubert, Lt Col, USAF Retired | April 24, 2008, 5:45 pm 5:45 pm
Well, it is almost unbelievable but it sure looks like McCain, with his history of moderate votes and faithful military background on his part and his willingness to place his sons in harm’s way will draw a significant amount of blue collar, catholic, rural, hispanic, veteran, female, and moderate voters who would otherwise have voted for Clinton as the Democratic candidate. The Demos will control the Senate and House but not the Presidency. So much for all the rhetoric, wasted monies and efforts. The consolation being that McCain is intelligent, sympathetic to others’ situations having suffered so much himself, and not a fundamentalist in his beliefs therefore appealing to all who have any doubts of the need for a stable economy and predictable foreign policy. Those not voting for him in November will be unable to deny that he has earned the oppurtunity. At the end of the day the Superdelegates must realize the cruel fact that Barack Obama cannot win in November and setting aside the fear of offending any particular group, we must not overlook the fact that the prize remains the Presidency, or do this exercise again in four years.
Posted by: Rene | April 24, 2008, 5:46 pm 5:46 pm
And what has Obama done to put his country first .
Posted by: Bishop | April 24, 2008, 5:47 pm 5:47 pm
cracker
yes most people think they have the best interest for the country at heart
I ask again can you name me one time, one example of the Clintons putting the country …the people…ethics and morals… the party…friends…ahead of themselves?
Just one. I want one example where the Clintons did not put their own welfare over the nation if it did not help them.
They have consistenetly chosen their own selves over the welfare of the country.
So give me one example of them not putting themselves first…something where they were hurt by a choice they made for the American people that did not help them.
You can’t.
Posted by: dl | April 24, 2008, 5:48 pm 5:48 pm
Writing also from the UK, just out of interest, I have a few questions:
Why as the democratic favourite with, the apparatus lined up for her in the big states, and the ex-president campaigning alongsdie her has Clinton not closed the deal? Why isn’t this question being asked of Clinton?
There’s a lot of talk about Obama outspending Clinton but no talk about the fact that she is double campaigning with her husband, an ex-President!, on the trail. Personal talks in small towns count. The strategy is to focus on white working class voters, no way can Obama compete in time with that and campaign in urban centres. seems to me that the media needs to weigh these things not just expenditures.
Let’s do the real math: Bush Senior 4 years; Bill Clinton 8 years; Bush Junior 8 years; Hillary/Bill Clinton 4 or maybe 8 years. A Clinton presidency promises for 20+ years or 28 years that the USA will be under the control of two families. What’s wrong with this picture? Beginning to look like Third World politics.
This leaves us all worried for where America is headed, especially as our economies are all in trouble because of the way the US economy has been managed.
Posted by: sam | April 24, 2008, 5:49 pm 5:49 pm
The three stooges don’t have the best interest of the Democratic Party in mind. I am ashamed their Democrats.
And while we are at this why is it so difficult to let this play out? Obama hasn’t won anything for two months now. Momentum seems to be on Clinton’s side. Has everyone forgotten past Democratic primary’s? 1980 – Senator Kennedy takes the nomination to the floor of the convention 700 delegates behind. Bet he doesn’t want to talk about that now.
1984 – Mondale wins the nomination with 10, yes, 10 primary wins.
Everyone relax and let this play out.If we don’t the Democratic party won’t have a legitimate nominee.
Posted by: Kris | April 24, 2008, 5:50 pm 5:50 pm
Obama has had it easy and now even tweety is agreeing Obama is in trouble.
Posted by: Bishop | April 24, 2008, 5:53 pm 5:53 pm
hillary and obama both have pretty much the same political stances on issues.. if your candidate doesn’t get in..and you vote McCain.. then you have nobody to blame but yourself when we are subjected to 4 more yours of “Bush” the economy will get worse, we will still have no end in sight in Iraq, more horrible trade agreements..etc..etc
Posted by: democrat | April 24, 2008, 5:54 pm 5:54 pm
Sam,
No one should vote or not vote for one candidate just based on his or her last name…
If Obama is truly qualified and earned to be next president of US, people will elect him…
The only issue is that there are about 50% of Dems voters who don’t think so just inside his own party, not mentioning Reps….
Posted by: True Truth | April 24, 2008, 5:55 pm 5:55 pm
Bishop
“what has Obama done for his country”
…maybe not on a national level since he hasn’t been there yet but…
Here’s one off the top of my head…
Obama walked away from extremely high income potential (this is the guy that was President of the harvard law review remember could have written his ticket…adn while he was there risked his position and status to bring in voices of judges like women from smaller communities in the south to write to bring in different points of view…and it is still referred to as the Obama effect at the review) to walk the streets of chicago and work for a non-profit to help communities that had lost jobs from factories closing.
He spent years in non-profit community organizing.
Obama is about what is good for the country over himself. Obama does not sell people out for himself or his success…almost to a detriment…that says a lot about his character(please don’t bring up his grandmother that was not selling her out…it was showing even people on pedestals are hurt by this fear our society had created)
Posted by: dl | April 24, 2008, 5:56 pm 5:56 pm
Why was Obama afraid to put his name on the list in MI. He was on FL’s?
Maybe it is because he knew he was going to advertise in FL. Maybe he knew he would get whooped in MI and was not going to advertise. Why did he deny MI voters another opertunity to re-vote. He knew he would loose. Man of the people my foot. He had a chance to let millions of people have their voice heard and he denied them because it did not benefit him. He is not what he advertises to be. All talk and no action.
Posted by: tejasoutlaw | April 24, 2008, 5:57 pm 5:57 pm
These three boobs are gonna push more Democrats into voting for John McCain if they don’t shut up….
Posted by: MilitaryWife | April 24, 2008, 5:57 pm 5:57 pm
Granted Obama is winning on the delegate count and popular votes but he also has not reached the magic number of 2025 therefore for those people that say he has won….sorry to say he has not. Obama as well as Clinton need the superdelegates to win. The supers are contemplating on who to endorse because more and more Obama is becoming unelectable. He cannot cross over the seniors, whites and the blue collar americans (factor in his radical left wing affiliations) and at the General Election you need those votes to win the POTUS. The question to the supers would be: do they want to win or do they want to run an election that they know they will lose?
BTW: Puerto Rico has over 2.5 million voters and they are already pro-Clinton and with the prime time interview of Larry Sinclair about Obama I’m sure it will be a landslide for Hillary and the popular vote will belong to Hillary. – Vote Hillary 2008
Posted by: asianamerican2 | April 24, 2008, 6:01 pm 6:01 pm
dl,
Looks you have “known” Obama very well since day one…
Even his Uncle pastor said Obama is a politician and he said what a politician should say….
He politely dumped his pastor for his political advantage……He has no gut to admit he agreed on what his pastor said for 20 years….
Posted by: True Truth | April 24, 2008, 6:02 pm 6:02 pm
You wonder why so many don’t want this to play out because it seems more and more like they should not trust her.
They see what the way she is playing means. She may be putting her own chances ahead of what needs to be accomplished and why this election is so important.
So yeah, they have said let this play out but don’t play slime… but then the ABC debate happened with Bill Clinton’s ex-press secretary asking the questions and it was all about the crap…not hillary’s years of crap and questions (which none outside of her lying escapade with Bosnia were brought up during this entire campaign) but Obama’s
red Flags went off …
okay let it play out but tone down the attacks
they don’t trust her…and maybe just maybe that is why you all perceive the media as biased…they are just hesitant because the Clintons are known for playing the game.
Posted by: dl | April 24, 2008, 6:02 pm 6:02 pm
So first these people decide who’s votes count and who’s don’t and now they are forcing others to make a decision before they have to. What a bunch of morons. That’s it, I am officially thinking of registering as an independent after 25 years as a democrat. Nice job. I ma done with these self serving losers.
Posted by: Chipo1965 | April 24, 2008, 6:04 pm 6:04 pm
Democrat,
It is not what each candidate says they are going to do it is what they have proven they can do. Just because someone says this is what they are going to do, does not mean that it is just going to automatically happen.
Some people would prefer going with what we got then just taking a shot in the dark with Obama.
If they give him the job and he screws it up then it is to late for the blame game. The way your talking sounds like fear mongering to me.
Posted by: tejasoutlaw | April 24, 2008, 6:05 pm 6:05 pm
1984 – Mondale wins the nomination with 10, yes, 10 primary wins.
-Kris
1972 – Humphrey wins the nomination with 0, yes, 0 primary wins.
S’truth! And if you think today’s dogfight is nasty, you should’ve seen the dust-up between supporters of Gene McCarthy and Robert Kennedy. Whoo boy.
Those of us who’ve been around awhile realize that parties go through this sort of thing all the time and survive. Witness the Republicans in 1976.
Posted by: Mr. 360 | April 24, 2008, 6:08 pm 6:08 pm
true truth(Kind of a misnomer isn’t it)
“Obama dumped his pastor”?…
yeah that’s a reach… he dumped his words but if anyone has ever not thrown someone under the bus that could have arguable deserved it…I don’t know the man… but i see 8000 people in one local community that say he is not the man they portrayed him in the media as)…
He could have made this whole thing go away if he just threw the guy under the bus and disavowed him.
you know he did not do that. he disavowed statements…specific statements. that is a sign of a man who not only is smart and reasonable…but unshakable and has a lot of character.
I do not know that man…I know 2 minutes of screen time edited together from his entire life…that I do not like… but I would have to be an idiot to think …there has been no other statements that disgusting shown…and I have seen a lot of attempts to make other statements seem as bad…
I had a salada tea bag say “character” is what you are when no one else is in the room” …I think McCain and Obama have outstanding character. but I hav e strong concerns about the Clintons…and I think if you look at their true history and take the blinders off you will see there is reason to.
Posted by: dl | April 24, 2008, 6:11 pm 6:11 pm
Why are people afraid of attacks in campaign?? Without attacking, how will people find out what your true strength is? Every one has the weakness and strength so it is the game using your strength to beat your rival’s weakness…
Presidency is the toughest job and we have to choose the strongest one to fill in this position…
If you are scared of fight, scared of attacks, then get out for your easy life…
Just simple as it….
Posted by: True Truth | April 24, 2008, 6:12 pm 6:12 pm
DL,
He just had it handed to him in PA.
There where 225,000 people in the state that voted for Hillary, so your point does not make sense. It would be the reverse of what your saying. More and more people are seeing him as the looser. His true colors are starting to show and he is loosing more and more votes. If he did not have basically “ALL” the black vote in Philly he would have been slaughtered.
All his delegate supporters want Clinton to quit because they have already committed to the looser. We’ll see who has the big MO coming into June.
Posted by: tejasoutlaw | April 24, 2008, 6:13 pm 6:13 pm
dl,
It is fine if you can’t handle the truth Obama dumped his Uncle pastor “politely”….
It is democracy and you have every right how to judge a person based on your knowledge and feeling…
Unfortunately, about 50% of Dems won’t agree with your personal view on Obama, not mentioning Reps (another half of Americans)..
Posted by: True Truth | April 24, 2008, 6:18 pm 6:18 pm
Obama needs to reconsider the offer of the Vice Presidency. If he wins the nomination and loses in the General Election (which a lot of us knows will happen) he will forever be banned from running. He should have waited maybe another 8 years. He should have cleaned his closet, enrolled his wife to a course on “HOW NOT TO HATE AMERICA AND WHITE PEOPLE”, he should have picked a church that do not preach Black Liberation Theology, he should have learned more about the politics, taxes (remember capital gains question at the debate), foreign policies and economics. He should have been opened to us about Ayers and Rezko. I would have let that pass. He is very likable but that is not the basis of being the President. Substance is the key. Hillary knows what needs to be done and how she will do it…therefore to me she is the best candidate for the job.
Posted by: bpatz3 | April 24, 2008, 6:20 pm 6:20 pm
Since Pelosi became the House Speaker, gas has rised 50%. Under her oversight, Democrats have stopped bills that would have helped Americans at the pump. Pelosi should resign or California voters should not vote for her during re-election.
As for Dean and Pelosi supporting Obama, this shows their true character. Pelosi has made it clear that she is happy being the most powerful woman in Congress. She will do and say anything to hurt Sen. Hillary Clinton.
Posted by: Dr Hubert, Lt Col, USAF Retired | April 24, 2008, 6:21 pm 6:21 pm
For as much as Reid has talked about this primary, isn’t it funny that he has not decided on a candidate!?!?!?!
That is rich!
Posted by: Whatever | April 24, 2008, 6:26 pm 6:26 pm
Again, people don’t vote for Obama is not because he is Black..
It is because he is his lesat experience, his least strength, his hiding about his pastor’s speech and the relationship with his long time pal Rezko, his double talking about trade and even the withdraw of Iraq war, and his arrogance, the same old political tricks but he claimed he represent a new politics….
Posted by: True Truth | April 24, 2008, 6:26 pm 6:26 pm
What kind of attacks do you think a president faces? This has been childs play compared to what the Republicans are going to do. What do you think the leader of Iran is going to say, or how about Putin from Russia. These people don’t play fair and nice with sugar and spice. Obama keeps “Acting” like he is better then everyone. He is going to change how I think because he does not agree with it. He is going to change Washington because he does not agree with it.
He should listen to his own words like he described the blue collar worker.
The people are ridiculing things they don’t understand, they cling to relegion, frustration with anyone not like them.
This all describes Obama to a tee.
He ridicules Washington, he clings to his religion, he is frustrated with anyone that does not act the way he thinks they sould act. Shame on Hillary for pointing out my elitist remarks about blue collar workers. But Rev Wright is like my family. I am tired of the same old Washington.
They have a word that describes this.
Hypocrite!
Posted by: tejasoutlaw | April 24, 2008, 6:26 pm 6:26 pm
Roughly
The credentials committee consists of about 160 members. Howard Dean picks 25 of them. The rest are state reps based on a proportionality formula. This is not verified information as it seems that the rules for the credential committee may be changing or subject to change
Another interesting twist
Posted by: Smith | April 24, 2008, 6:33 pm 6:33 pm
Dr. Herburt,
I agree, Pelosi wants to be the leading women. I don’t know how she and Dean got their positions, but I can tell you that there will need to be tough questions aswered about both of them if they end up supporting Obama. I will cry foul. I will say they did not want FL and MI to be heard because it would hurt their candidates chances. I will accuse them of dragging their feet and not working for the will of the people.
It has been disgraceful how these two have messed this thing up. We are the democratic party with democracy in the name of the party and all the voices are not going to be heard. A disgrace.
I don’t know how anyone has the right to take a persons vote away in the first place. It should be a civil liberty to everyone all the time.
Posted by: tejasoutlaw | April 24, 2008, 6:35 pm 6:35 pm
As if this allegorical note from the teacher is going to bring the petulant class and classroom instigators into line. “Cling-on” will keep pushing on with her stubborn drive to get what she feels is owed her until they pry the microphone from her politically cold, dead hands. “O-back-me” will keep going for at least as long as he has more votes than his rival. And the super delegates are going to prolong the situation for as long as they can and lick up every drop of personal and political advantage they can wring out of the stalemate.
Posted by: Publius | April 24, 2008, 6:40 pm 6:40 pm
DL,
He did not throw Wright under the bus, because he still needs the black votes.
He would have been sunk by now if he had. It has nothing to do with his loyalty to him. If Obama has lost just 10% of the black vote he would have been sunk by now.
His true colors are showing now, and his unbelievable retorhic is becoming more and more unbelieveable.
Posted by: tejasoutlaw | April 24, 2008, 6:41 pm 6:41 pm
Regardless of the democratic nominee, the congressional democrats have to force Ms. Pelosi to step down. What a disappointment she has been for the party!
One could not find a more useless Speaker of the House. As a Speaker she should be getting things done and not trying to be in the limelight. Even that would not be so bad if she does not display such strange stupidity in the media limelight.
She is the least effective Speaker in recent history.
Posted by: Onlooker | April 24, 2008, 6:49 pm 6:49 pm
Reid, Pelosi, & Dean:
All of you are incompetent, pathetic and a complete embarassment to the Democratic party. It is not your job to pressure superdelegates. This race is not over.
Why were the voters of FL and MI penalized because of these so called “rules”? A rule should not be more important than the will of the people in FL and MI. You have disenfranchized millions of people. Democracy? Right to Vote? I guess you don’t care anymore. You will in November.
Superdelegates: I hope you are paying attention. Who do you think will have the best chance to win in November? The person who has the greatest strength in the states necessary to get the electoral votes needed to win the general election. That person is Hillary Clinton.
The tide has turned. Hillary ’08
Posted by: Time to wake up | April 24, 2008, 6:52 pm 6:52 pm
Screw ‘em. All the way to Denver.
If the Republicans detest her that much, she IS the perfect choice.
Posted by: len | April 24, 2008, 6:56 pm 6:56 pm
“Regardless of the democratic nominee, the congressional democrats have to force Ms. Pelosi to step down. What a disappointment she has been for the party!”
Pelosi’s set “women” back a couple of generations — and sufficiently stuck on her own “first female speaker” schtick to have pushed Obama. The only hope is that Pelosi’s district will turn her out for Cindy Sheehan — otherwise, Congress will never be able to get rid of her, and she’ll be there double-crossing her constituents and simpering with the right, with her dyed hair and pricey pearls, till Gabriel blows his horn.
Posted by: Belle Starr | April 24, 2008, 6:59 pm 6:59 pm
Time To Wake Up: You are absolutely correct. Its time for them to wake up. They want to rush it because MI and FL are supposed to be seated at the convention. Hillary did win the popular vote but Dean who endorsed Obama doesn’t really want them seated because Hillary would surpass Obama and become the nominee. And who is Pelosi to say there can’t be a Dream Ticket. What power does she think she holds over the candidates. I don’t think there would be but candidates can choose who they want and don’t need permission from Pelosi.
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | April 24, 2008, 7:25 pm 7:25 pm
BKMC: I think you say whatever comes into your head. Obama did not win the popular vote in reality, Hillary won it with 100,000 overage as soon as they seat MI and FL. Dean doesn’t want that to happen because Clinton will surpass Obama and win the nomination. He is trying to prevent that so I hope she gets the majority of the votes from the superdelegates to win the nomination and send him back where he belongs and he doesn’t even belong being a senator.
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | April 24, 2008, 7:31 pm 7:31 pm
HOW DARE THEY!!! They’ve messed up with the rights of people in Florida and Michigan to have their votes counted and now they are screwing with the rules again!!! They are petty little dictators!!! AMERICA is a DEMOCRACY! People have rights!!!
Posted by: Di | April 24, 2008, 8:08 pm 8:08 pm
Reid says he might have to endorse a candidate.
I’m sure that both candidates are praying that it not HIM/HER.
Posted by: cactuscoot | April 24, 2008, 9:00 pm 9:00 pm
Reid says he might have to endorse a candidate.
I’m sure that both candidates pray it’s the other one.
Posted by: Robes | April 24, 2008, 9:11 pm 9:11 pm
Hillary is UnTrustWorthy, she has told lies, time and time again!
Posted by: Demo Rules | April 24, 2008, 9:32 pm 9:32 pm
Someone posted asking why the DNC seems to be against the Clintons. Umm, maybe they know something that the rest of us don’t.
Posted by: ll | April 24, 2008, 9:42 pm 9:42 pm
i voted for dukakis and lost
i voted for kerry and lost
i voted for gore and lost
i won’t for obama and lose
i’m done with the democrats if obama wins
Posted by: voter | April 24, 2008, 10:09 pm 10:09 pm
They are making up new rules.
For primary with no winners that seige 2025 delegates or more, the tie breaker is at the convention where superdelegates represent the tie breaker. Before that the delegate counts do not automatically give you a winner.
These elite democrates are breaking the rules and bring the party to the knees with troubles through their violations.
The voters want the tie breaker at the convention. Ut us the voters who is the master of the primary. The party should step aside and let the elections to run its course.
These guys are cheating on the voters and their right to nominate according to the rules.
FOUL FOUL FOUL FOUL FOUL FOUL FOUL FOUL
Posted by: John_Lai | April 24, 2008, 10:13 pm 10:13 pm
Most ultra liberal democrats don’t care about all of baracks baggage:
-James Wright’s “god damn America” sermon,
-Antoine’ Rezco, got barak’s campiagn started, jailed political fixer
-domestic terrorists Ayers and Dorhn
these guys blew up 25 bombs in the US
-bitter small town Americans
-HAMAS in the church bulletin
-he admitted smoking crakc / cocaine
but most mainstream americans / democrats do:
see PA OH vote results and if the media got on barack earlier, he would never have won the earlier states he did…
FOR 16 months hillary got hammered and obama got a free ride… now that some of his skeletons are out of the closet he can’t win dem primary… look at his rresults with PA AND OH DEMOGRAHPICS
smells like mcgovern
and dukakis and gore and kerry.. the ultra liberal democrats are going to give the whouse to mccain…
PA PUTS CLINTON BACK ON TOP
FLORIDA and PENNSYLVANIA are identical demographically speaking.
Barack will be painted quite easily as less than american – wright, rezco, ayers, dohrn, farrakhan, HAMAS in the church bulletin, and the list goes on…
The republican dirty tricks bag is limitless and they can’t kill hillary — her ideas wont die.
Hillary got tough questions for 16 months as the front runner, now obama cant handle the heat unless its from the end of his pipe or cigarette.
no smoking in the whitehouse
and yes … he admitted smoking CRack in his youth…. if hillary did, she would be gone a long time ago…. Hillary fired her campaign manager in NHampshire for talking about it…. though ..the republicans are going to grind him into soup meat, if he wins …
u can’t win in November
WHEN IT COUNTS THE MOST
with out FLORIDA
and PENNSYLVANIA
Obama is electorally doa.
Posted by: Choose Your pastor | April 24, 2008, 10:14 pm 10:14 pm
OBAMA has never been a factor in Congress. He just wonders around. He is not ewen a good Senator in office. Most of the time, he just rides on people’s tails and exaggerates his contribution.
He can’t be a good president.
Denigrating the very good economic record of the only Democratic administration most Americans remember, he has nothing comparable to prove that he can change America.
He can’t change CHICAGO POLITICS.
He can’t change the corruptions of REZKO.
When he couldn’t afford the dream house of his, he appealed to REZKO.
He can’t change REV Wright’s cult church.
He has not been a factor of changes. He only has words but not the accountability.
He can’t change WASHINGTON.
HILLARY CAN.
Posted by: John_Lai | April 24, 2008, 10:20 pm 10:20 pm
Only 2025 delegates shall determine the winner. Anything below that should go to the convention to let the superdelegates determine the tiebreaker.
Nobody has a right to fix the election before the convention. Pelosi, Howard Dean etc. are fixing the elections against the party rules.
There shall be grave consequence. Nobody has a right to fix the nomination and Hillary shall fight to the end of it.
If they nominate OBAMA and definitely lose in a landslide. OBAMA can no longer run from debates. He is finished so is the party.
The party is nothing but a mess of representative who speak against the will of their states.
We want a new party which is of the people, for the people and by the people.
Posted by: John_Lai | April 24, 2008, 10:33 pm 10:33 pm
The democrats can’t run a primary but we are supposed to believe that they can run this country. Doesn’t that require the ‘suspension of disbelief’?
Posted by: strangelove | April 24, 2008, 10:43 pm 10:43 pm
And Hillary supporters continue to spew lies. They say Obama is unelectable?? Why do all the polls show him beating Mcain??? Do you say this because you know something?? He wont win because he is ….. You know what i mean. To me, Hillary seems to be attracting alot of white supremicists and bigots. That says alot about her message.. Its divisive and wrong. here some math .. Obama is haead in votes, states, delegates. To deny him the nomination will be political suicide for democrats. If Hillary voters feel bitter they can always fund Hillarys third party bid which i think she will do. Stop the Drama Vote Obama
Posted by: dan south bronx | April 24, 2008, 10:56 pm 10:56 pm
Obama can’t change CHICAGO POLITICS.
He can’t change the corruptions of REZKO.
When he couldn’t afford the dream house of his, he appealed to REZKO.
He can’t change REV Wright’s cult church.
He has not been a factor of changes. He only has words but not the accountability.
do you beleieve he can change america into a kind of country which Hamas would like to see?
Posted by: change symbol | April 24, 2008, 11:54 pm 11:54 pm
Obama should drop out of the race, he’s destroying the democratic party. He has devastating negatives that the public is just beginning to learn about. The Republicans will destroy him in November. Hillary is the best, vote for Hillary.
Posted by: Doreen | April 25, 2008, 12:07 am 12:07 am
Doreen, how can you say that Obama should drop out. I support him but I would never say HIllary should drop out. Let’s just see how it all plays out.
Posted by: lisa | April 25, 2008, 12:19 am 12:19 am
I don’t remember being as disappointed about an election as I am this year. Maybe I will just vote independent as a protest.
Posted by: unhappy in fl | April 25, 2008, 12:46 am 12:46 am
why do you people continue blaming Obama over his pastors comments and not blaming Hillary with Bill’s adultery and cheating in the whitehouse. we are all behaving like Mugabe in zimbabwe, stop attacking obama. if your former school teachers does someting, does it affect you your future career. when bill clinton denied about Lewinsky’s case his wife publicly defended him. Hillary is liar, period
Posted by: kwamsuli lucy | April 25, 2008, 1:35 am 1:35 am
I am a Texas State Convention Delegate; I have been a Democrat for a long time.
If Florida and Michigan don’t get a re-vote and BO gets the nomination; I will go and vote (I have friends running for other offices) in November but I will leave the President BLANK! I won’t be breaking party rules I will just ABSTAIN on President!
FLORIDA & MICHIGAN THE HANGING CHAD OF 2008!
God Bless America
Posted by: Texan | April 25, 2008, 1:58 am 1:58 am
Texan, I totally agree with you. If Obama wins the nomination without a re-vote in Florida and Michigan, then I’m sorry, the democratic party, you will lose my vote in the general election. I’ll not vote for anyone, and absolutely not Barack Obama! I feel so sick of the democratic party, why don’t Dean, Pelosi, Reid and Carter talk about a re-vote in Florida and Michigan but push superdelegates to make up their mind without considering these two major states? The democratic party absolutely can’t win in the fall without winning these battlegrounds, and Obama’s the fragile one. His victories are based on caucuses and the proportional delegate system, however, in the general election, there’ll be no caucuses and it’ll be winner-take-all. Most of his winning states are republican states and small states that have fewer electoral votes! Democrats, please wake up and elect Hillary!!!
Posted by: smartcookie2008 | April 25, 2008, 2:13 am 2:13 am
Doreen, I can’t agree with you more!!! Obama’s been destroying the democratic party and should drop out of the race as early as possible! He’s inexperienced and not ready to be a president, yet he’s so power-driven and has been trying to damage Hillary. By running a negative campaign against Hillary, he’s been damaging the party and in the end, he’ll not win the general election! He’s the one to be blamed! He revolts me seriously!
Posted by: smartcookie2008 | April 25, 2008, 2:20 am 2:20 am
Time to wake up, yes, it’s time for the democratic party to wake up. I think all hillary supporters should work together to petition the party and the superdelegates to pay attention to this:
A party nomination without votes in Florida and Michigan will raise serious questions about the democracy of this so-called democratic party!
We should all reject to vote for the democratic party unless they consider the votes in both states. Either count the votes or do a re-vote.
Let’s support Hillary adamantly!
I’ll 100% not to vote for Obama and will not vote for anyone in the general election. I only vote for Hillary because she’s the best. Both Mccain and Obama are not good candidates. Sorry, I just don’t think they’ll make good presidents.
Posted by: smartcookie2008 | April 25, 2008, 2:27 am 2:27 am
I am afraid he has been ablel to snow+blind a lot of people! I have checked out his web page! Because I have in countered a lot of BO Followers that beleave he voted no in the Senate on the Iraq War! That vote took place in Oct. of 2002; BO did not inter the Senate untill Jan. 2005!
This is what he has on his web site; it is very missleading! Judge for yourself.
PLAN FOR ENDING THE WAR IN IRAQ
“But conventional thinking in Washington lined up for war. The pundits judged the political winds to be blowing in the direction of the President. Despite – or perhaps because of how much experience they had in Washington, too many politicians feared looking weak and failed to ask hard questions. Too many took the President at his word instead of reading the intelligence for themselves. Congress gave the President the authority to go to war. Our only opportunity to stop the war was lost.
I made a different judgment. I thought our priority had to be finishing the fight in Afghanistan. I spoke out against what I called ‘a rash war’ in Iraq. I worried about, ‘an occupation of undetermined length, with undetermined costs, and undetermined consequences.’ The full accounting of those costs and consequences will only be known to history. But the picture is beginning to come into focus.”
—Barack Obama, Clinton, Iowa, September 12, 2007
Posted by: Texan | April 25, 2008, 2:29 am 2:29 am
The one that brings in the older consistant voters! They vote in most; if not all elections!
Posted by: Texan | April 25, 2008, 2:40 am 2:40 am
What I am saying is people that have been registered for a few years, that vote in most if not all election, their vote can br counted on. She is bringing in those votes because she has more experiaince, a track record of her voting in the Senate, her plans for helthcare and education, she has had these veiws since her husband was President; involment in the Whithouse as First Lady and all her years in the Senate.
BO has had 1 turn in the Illinois State Senate, barely 1 turm in the US Senate.
Who would you hire for a job!
Posted by: Texan | April 25, 2008, 3:17 am 3:17 am
“Democratic Leadership” is an oxymoron!
Posted by: HoosierSue | April 25, 2008, 3:22 am 3:22 am
David NH………. I personally applaud what the Dem Party’s in Florida and Michigan did when they moved up the state primaries. Finally someone is growing a set and challenging a flawed system that permits candidates to be picked by small insignificant states such as IA, NH, and SC. Why should those voters have a voice and the vast majority of voters be left out in the cold? The problem isn’t Michigan and Florida, the problem is a flawed system and people who want to disenfranchise voters in pivotal states. The way I see it, the only person being “inconsiderate” here is you. Just because you’re from NH and actually get a voice you have no problem quelling the voices of others. Sounds pretty selfish and self-centered to me…. but that’s what we’ve all grown to expect from supporters of a certain candidate.
Posted by: dk | April 25, 2008, 3:29 am 3:29 am
Any Obama supporter who isn’t railing against the fact that Kennedy, Kerry, Richardson et al have gone AGAINST THE WILL of their state’s voters to cast their Superdelegate votes for Obama… have absolutely no business saying that the remaining SuperDs must respect the will of the people as regarding votes cast.
The SuperDs were formed to prevent a nomination disaster ala Barack Obama who cannot win a general election.
Posted by: HoosierSue | April 25, 2008, 3:30 am 3:30 am
To dk:
Snow+Blind?
Posted by: Texan | April 25, 2008, 3:45 am 3:45 am
OB Snowed and then Blinded = Snowblind!
Posted by: Texan | April 25, 2008, 3:53 am 3:53 am
obama’s just a wuss who can’t take the pressure. first he had to take a vacation when things got a little too tough. then he has a humiliating loss and has to have a day off.
plus abc, unlike the other obama-kissing networks, asked him a few tough questions, he looked like an idiot, so now he won’t do any more debates.
wimp!
Posted by: so saddened | April 25, 2008, 4:34 am 4:34 am
Way to get out in front of this issue loser Dems (NOT!). I’ve already decided both candiddates are-self-involved asses who would throw both their party, and it’s chances for a win, under the bus for vanity. Screw them both!
Posted by: Seaweed | April 25, 2008, 5:33 am 5:33 am
OMG! This is the first time that I have connected these three as leaders of the Democratic Party. What a complete and utter joke. I am a lifelong Democrat, however to see these three together is just chilling. Pelsoi, who will go down in history as doing nothing other than running her mouth. Reid, just a total meek little mouse and Dean, well his actions can speak louder that anything that I can say.
What a sad state of affairs this party is in. Embarrassing, humiliating and just awful.
Posted by: OWO | April 25, 2008, 6:53 am 6:53 am
McCain Will be the next President and the Republicans are making sure of it.
They KNOW that 99% of all democrats hate the Clintons and if Hillary is chosen that everybody will vote for McCain out of spite or not vote at all. They are playing this very well by showing up in force and voting for her.Mark my words, McCain will be the next President and we will have four more years of the Bush destruction machine where the poor gets poorer and the oil industry prospers!
Posted by: Dave Peck | April 25, 2008, 8:37 am 8:37 am
All these comments against Obama are “REPUBLICAN’S”
Every poll says OBAMA WILL KICK McCAIN’S BEHIND!”
“THE REPUBLICANS WANT HILLARY” Because they KNOW McCAIN WILL BEAT HER EASILY”
The Republicans have their propaganda machine working overtime to try to push Hillary thru so they can have another four years to finish the destruction of our country that GW BUSH and His Republican congress has started.
VOTE OBAMA 2008 and at the same time vote to remove every republican in every office and in every state that has helped GW BUSH destroy our nation !!!
Posted by: Dave Peck | April 25, 2008, 8:46 am 8:46 am
tejasoutlaw
He did not have it handed to him in PA… over 6 weeks she lost 10 to 15 percent of her support…his numbers in specific groups are actually growing is the dirty little secret…it’s just in PA those number s were larger…but there is no chance that Obama is going to lose the majority of those people in the general…
when people are choosing between Obama and McCain…
war hero yes…rev. wrigth will hurt him yes
but …people are not putting bread on the table mcCain has to itemize even a general foreseen cost of this war…
afghanistan is going down the tubes and we don’t have the military to fix it…
mcCain has an economic proposal that is being fairly panned by most
mccain has not faced a legitimate question since we started besides his difference from the right wing…as he was running for the Republican party…
You think people are going to vote in this horrible year for continueing that way…
with Obama’s ability to get up off the mat
Yes Obama’s ability to get up off the mat… it is better than Hillary’s
you see Obama BEAT Hillary in HER OWN party where her favorables and chance were 2 to 3 times as good as in the general.
So now you want to argue that she would be the better nominee?
You are not looking at the facts.
Obama is the better candidate…he BEAT the Clintons intheir own DEMOCRATIC PARTY with the demographic that was her base…her one and only strength.
Her favorables are worse with independent sand republicans… yet you all want to win by trashing him to try and get him lower than her.
yeah that is really smart. Most Americans (especially independents) aren’t as angry that “their candidate” lost or is losing like many of Hillary supporters so these issues will be minimized in the face of this and the economy the war …the future …our standing in the world…our need to regain strong support from the peoples of those countries that our are allies…
all that will come back and far outweigh these issues you all are trying to fan the flames of (and so will the repubs but I have a feeling outside of hannity and fox…this will be a real debate more than it has been with the Clintons)
People are dying, people are losing their homes, parents are not taking their medications, terrorism toward us is on the rise because of our standing in the world and the earth may be in peril.
You think voters are still going to vote on this stuff? and that Hillary would have the better hand?
That is, yes, dumb.
Posted by: dl | April 25, 2008, 9:27 am 9:27 am
I hope when this is done, they run all three of these jokers out on a rail. I was so proud when nancy pelosi became the speaker, being a woman, that made me so proud. But she’s been a massive disappointment.. she’s a san francisco liberal. You’d think Harry Reid would be better, but he’s not. And Howard Dean.. what a wimp. If they nominate Obama, they deserve to lose. But the sad thing is, it’s the regular folks like me who will suffer. That’s why I will hold it against all of them.
Posted by: A reader in Georgia | April 25, 2008, 9:28 am 9:28 am
One could poll both Michigan and Florida and use those results to divide up the delegates. Many people in Florida did not vote as it was not gong to count. The Clinton idea of accepting the Michigan result in which Obama was not on the ticket sounds like a story told with a Bill Southern drawl. Poll the people and divide the delegates based on the percentages. I’d use Gallup and Rasmuesen.
Posted by: disambiguates | April 25, 2008, 10:14 am 10:14 am
Note to all of you Clinton supporters:
Hillary Clinton only won
Pennsylvania by 9 per cent of the vote
she needed 10 percent or more!
She made a net gain of about 6 delegates! Obama still leads by about
140 delegates, 500,000 votes and states
won! Do the math she can’t win!
It’s time for her to pack it in unless
her hidden agenda is to make sure that
Obama can’t win the general election!
Posted by: reaganfan | April 25, 2008, 11:48 am 11:48 am
Ok Florida should count as is- they both campaigned there either thru TV and one day personal appearances, record number of voters showed up at poll due to a state issue that was being voted on.
Now MI well that should count also because Obama voluntarily took his name off ballot!
So Hilary won!!
Posted by: spock | April 25, 2008, 12:05 pm 12:05 pm
I concur, the Speaker and other Dem leaders need to fully support the completion of the contest. Why are we afraid to go to the convention? I want the leaders of our party to take a stand and take it now – get the votes in FL and MI in the game! The only truly unpatriotic thing about this contest is the way our leaders ignore the catastrophe we had in 2000 and the fact that we will repeat that tragedy again if Obama were to be the nominee, for better or worse, he is not a viable candidate and never was – he simply got away with his “American Idol” candidate charade for longer than he should have.
Posted by: lulu | April 25, 2008, 12:58 pm 12:58 pm
I’m sorry, but I really thought Clinton would be winning. She is not. I like both candidates, but what she has done to try to catch up is POLITICAL TERRORISM! She is holding a gun to the Democrats saying I will destroy the party and Obama’s reputation any way she can, if she doesn’t get her way. It is amazing that someone can be that SELFISH (someone I once held in high regard compared to her husband Bill who was a discrace to the country). Again she is a POLITICAL TERRORIST and so is anyone associated with her. Maybe she is using her campaign funds to pay off many of her ‘Corporate friends’.
Posted by: Greginsmalltown | April 25, 2008, 1:05 pm 1:05 pm
Here is the bottom line. If Hillary wins the popular vote (all of the popular vote, including Florida and Michigan), but Obama wins the nomination based on delegate count, or because the leadership is intimidated by the threat of a Black voter revolt, then it is Al Gore all over again and the Democratic party does not deserve to win the presidency.
Posted by: David H | April 25, 2008, 1:13 pm 1:13 pm
Obama is leading in number of delegates;
Obama is leading in number of states won;
Obama is leading in number of popular votes;
Obama is leading in the caucuses:
Obama is leading in every demographic;
Clinton is leading in number of lies told.
FIGURES DON’T LIE BUT LIARS CAN FIGURE
OBAMA 08
Posted by: jbate | April 25, 2008, 1:17 pm 1:17 pm
dk – - -
It’s never been about when each state votes. It’s about making change the right way, or the wrong way. These state reps (only a handful mind you) decided to try to hold the DNC hostage with these pranks. This is not the way to do it. Perhaps a DNC referendum might have worked. These people were told right up front, what would happen if they did.
The candidates were further told not to campaign there. They agreed, but now Hillary is twisting in the wind and whining. She thinks that the voters of these two states will believe her when she says, “this is an Obama conspiracy.” Let’s be adult here.
If we don’t like the system, let’s change it. But in a uniform LEGAL manner.
The voters in both of those states will still be able to vote in November. It will come down to two different philosophies. That’s all, nothing more. All the bickering will be gone.
I personally don’t care who the Democratic contender is. This person will be subject to the Republican back stabbing and fictional next door neighbor with pervert stories forever.
I didn’t make the rules. You didn’t either. Maybe next time, we can tell the RNC and the DNC just what we ALL think by not voting at all!
Posted by: DAVID NH | April 25, 2008, 1:35 pm 1:35 pm
Vnd: Oh you’re so scary!
As far as the “third party” idea goes that’s the only way a Clinton can win
a general election!
I wonder how much the Clintons paid
Ross Perot to run in 1992?
He got 19 percent of the vote and
Bill Clinton won with less than 50
percent of the vote!
If Hillary runs as a third party candidate her political career wiil be over and she will split the Democrat vote and McCain will win!
Do it, I Dare Ya, Hillary!
Posted by: reaganfan | April 25, 2008, 1:41 pm 1:41 pm
All I hear from Sr. Clinton is that she is a FIGHTER, Bush is a fighter TOO. What has their ability to be fighters gotten the American people. We are in a NO WIN situation and if we can get out of IRAQ in the next three YEARS it will be amazing. We need someone as President who can bring together the diversity of the people Islamic, Jewish and Christian to a table to save the economies and the plant from destruction. IT IS A FACT that to everyone in every country is interdepent on each other for the survival of our race and until we start working together with that GOAL in mind we will continue to back pedal. If we advance technology in healthcare and agriculture and combat drugs and corruption in THE USA and around the world. We need to reestablish ourselves as a World Leader who cares about ALL of the problems of this PLANET.
Posted by: Lonestarkaty | April 25, 2008, 2:30 pm 2:30 pm
Last time I checked, Florida and Michigan were part of the 50 UNITED States. Constitutionally, how can you elect a president for the 50 UNITED States with only counting 48 of them? As for Polosi, she is getting obnoxious and acts like a bimbo at times. Sometimes, she looks like she is in the bag with something, booze or some drug. Sometimes she slurs her words and seems to have a problem putting a thought together. I think she has turned out a mess as Speaker. Scares me she is 3rd in line for the presidency. That would be tragic if she ended up in the oval office. THEN, our country would seem like child’s play under Bush compared to what she would do to it. As for this race bit, we were handling it calmly, peacefully for the most part, slowly and gradually until Obama come on the scene and started stirring the pot. This so called “uniter” is really dividing the country by “using” the blacks for his own selfish ambitions. Isn’t it strange how this 1/2 white boy turned all black all of a sudden. He must not have cared for his mother the way he has thrown her memory under the bus when it suited him. It isn’t Clinton using the race card, it is Obama “USING” the black community for his own ambitions. This upsets me because it means the blacks are throwing away their chance to have a competent black president down the line for this unexperienced, divious “Brownie.” It is not his color that is turning us off, it is all the baggage and bad judgements in his short career that comes with him. We can’t afford “Bone-headed mistakes” and “Mis-speaks” in this troubled world.
Posted by: Bess Cannon | April 25, 2008, 2:32 pm 2:32 pm
Pelosi is a disgrace. As Speaker of a Democratic Senate she could not even get the ERA bill passed to reverse the absurd ruling of the Supreme Court. What has she accomplished? She took impeachment of Bush off of the table. She is not a person to be dictating who should be the DNC candidate. I am very very disappointed in Pelosi. Replace her.
Posted by: this election counts | April 25, 2008, 2:42 pm 2:42 pm
Being from MI I will be outraged if my vote does not count. How many Mi and FL democrats will they disenfranchise by not counting our votes. More than the flaky youth who still don’t commit and actually vote for Obama. They are not voting and closing the deal for Obama. They are more interested in sleeping until 2 pm and can’t get to the polls (interrupts their video games when they finally do wake up).
Posted by: this election counts | April 25, 2008, 2:45 pm 2:45 pm
Ask the DNC why they disenfranchised millions of voters and screwed-up their own party. If they can’t run the party, how can they run the country?
Posted by: Neobaroque | April 25, 2008, 3:02 pm 3:02 pm
Look at how the Republicans screwed up the country! Big difference between campaigning and governing.
Posted by: this election counts | April 25, 2008, 3:07 pm 3:07 pm
this election counts……how dare you talk about the youth like that. A lot of those flaky youth as you call them are over in Iraq fighting for YOU.
Posted by: moe | April 25, 2008, 3:08 pm 3:08 pm
Neo, you need to get your facts straight. The DNC had no choice in FL, the republican controlled state moved the primary up illegally knowing what the rules were. (This is the second time the republicans have screwed FL, maybe something to do with the other bush) Hopefully FL voters will get it right in Nov. Obama 2008!
Posted by: pt | April 25, 2008, 3:29 pm 3:29 pm
pt, if the republicans in Fl were responsible, which I knew, why would the DNC punish the delegates. I just don’t understand since dems had nothing to do with it
Posted by: molly | April 25, 2008, 3:32 pm 3:32 pm
molly, something needed to be done to stop the states from moving their primaries up, otherwise we would have been voting at Thanksgiving or Halloween. RNC chopped the delegates in half, DNC got rid of all the delegates. Either way, the democrats in FL had no choice. FL & MI will be taken care of at the convention with equal delegates, but you can’t count them now. I think that Hillary or Obama would destroy mcmore-war in the Fall. No party has held onto the white house during a recession year. Obama 2008!
Posted by: pt | April 25, 2008, 3:45 pm 3:45 pm
Anyone that questioned Hillarys vote for the war should read Hagels book. He wrote”I voted for the resolution based on the presidents’s assurances that he would do everything possible to find a dipomatic solution before going to war” Just what Hillary has been saying all along.Hagel said he now regrets his vote.
Posted by: roncraw | April 25, 2008, 3:49 pm 3:49 pm
Obama won the most number of delegates;
Obama won the most number of states won;
Obama won the most popular votes;
Obama won all of the caucuses:
Obama won in every demographic;
Clinton is leading in number of lies told.
FIGURES DON’T LIE BUT LIARS CAN FIGURE
OBAMA 08
Posted by: jbate | April 25, 2008, 3:57 pm 3:57 pm
Its becoming increasingly clear that what’s delaying many superdelegates from making their choice clear is fear of retaliation and conflict with the Clintons. This is sad. I didnt realize that a person could bully their way into becoming the president of the United States. Apparently they can.
Posted by: Mike Denhof | April 25, 2008, 4:00 pm 4:00 pm
What the superdelegates better fear is being associated with obama’s laundry list of associates.
The GOP has figured it out, and they are going to use it against every democrat (who supported Obama) running in state elections.
I am amazed that Ms. Pelosi, Mr. Dean, and Mr. Reid are too dumb to see that little possiblity. They seem hell bent on destroying the democratic party, and the superdelegates for their left wing extremist – Mr. Obama.
Posted by: disgusted in Illinois | April 25, 2008, 4:10 pm 4:10 pm
Addition to what the superdelegates should be concerned about.
Anyone see the ads the gop are running in NC and Washington?
Like I said, the GOP has figured it out. Guilt by association!!!
WAKE UP DEMOCRATS!
Posted by: disgusted in Illinois | April 25, 2008, 4:23 pm 4:23 pm
Its becoming increasingly clear that what’s delaying many superdelegates from making their choice (of candidate)clear is fear of retaliation from and conflict with the Clintons. This is sad. I didnt realize that a person (or group of persons) could bully their way into the U.S. presidency. Apparently they can. We’ll find out for sure soon.
Posted by: Mike Denhof | April 25, 2008, 5:53 pm 5:53 pm
11 more days and Hillary is effectively over. Thank God. I am ready to tune out on this race. How about you all?
Go Obama
Posted by: billy smith | April 25, 2008, 6:33 pm 6:33 pm
jbate: But Obama canot win the major battleground states and those are important if the Dems are going to take backthe white house. He will not win them in a general election. Get real. They don’t want him now or never otherwise they would have voted for him. If he wins the nomination the Dems will lose for sure. He is ready to be president of this country and I wouldn’t vote for him if he needed my one vote to win. I would make him lose. He is a liar, fake and copycat.
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | April 25, 2008, 6:48 pm 6:48 pm
The superdelegates need to give a FAIR look at the true population stats and realize that Obama is unelectable in the GE!!! The caucus system does not count thousands of seniors and people unable to get off work to attend a lot of these caucuses. There are thousands of uncounted HRC votes out there – not to mention FL & MI. These states will ALL count in the general election. We also need to see OBAMA DEBATE HRC AGAIN so that we can get more of those character questions answered and to see if Obama has the debating skills to stand up to McCain in the GE. GET REAL DNC AND GET US AN ELECTABLE CANDIDATE – AT LEAST DEMAND THAT OBAMA DO ANOTHER DEBATE TO PROVE THAT HE IS WORTHY TO BE POTUS!!!!
Posted by: fairsuperdelegates08 | April 25, 2008, 6:51 pm 6:51 pm
Swifty: You must be taking what Obama took in his college days. No way is he going to win the nomination because Hillary will capture it and leave Obama in the dust where he belongs. He is nothing but a liar,fake and racist. He shouldn’t even be campaigning for the presidency of this country. If Hillary doesn’t win the nomination I hope all ov Hillary’s voters for for McCain and leave Obama hanging.
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | April 25, 2008, 6:53 pm 6:53 pm
BKMC: Your are so wrong as usual. You say any dumb statement that comes into your head. Of course Dean is going to seat MI that’s why their getting their delegates ready. You must be boozing if you didn’t read that. FL I don’t know. Obama is afraid of these states being seated because Hillary will beat him in the popular vote. If he is sure of himself why would he care. That’s because he is afraid he will lose the nomination and believe me he would.
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | April 25, 2008, 7:02 pm 7:02 pm
There will be two more Ads running against Obama by two different organizations stating about him what was not on the news. I already what they are and believe me they are doozies. Its looks like there are some intelligent people around that are wise to Obama and his lies, his close ties to Farrakhan, Ayers, Ayres and the racist pastor Wright. I am surprised at the white people for voting for Obama. I gather are they anti-american also like Obama is?
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | April 25, 2008, 7:07 pm 7:07 pm
Let me go on record to say, Hillary was not the only senator to vote for the war. Numerous senators did. Obama did not vote for the war but voted for the funding. Same thing. Who is he kidding. Obama is usally absent when he knows a bill is going to be issued so he can I wasn’t there. Congress should hold up the voting until he is there. He is cunning, a liar, fake and will not win the nomination for president.
Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | April 25, 2008, 7:12 pm 7:12 pm
I hope the democratic party has learned their lesson to not let anyone run for the presidency as a democrat without being fully vetted. Obama would NEVER have won in the states that he did if his poor judgement for 20 years had been revealed prior. Now the AA community has their hopes up for someone who can never win. The AA community will see it as a racist thing when it is totally due to only one AA’s lack of judgement–Barack Obama. The AA’s deserve a president, but not this one.
Posted by: jkr | April 25, 2008, 7:17 pm 7:17 pm
This is not racist,its facts. Obama hasn’t won the white vote since Feb 19.
Posted by: roncraw | April 25, 2008, 9:00 pm 9:00 pm
My fear is that neither Obama or Clinton can win this thing. Mitt Romney noted when he dropped out that the election was never about him it was about the party and the country. I thought he was a class act when he said that. Clinton will NEVER drop out, because this whole thing has always been about her and her ambition. Obama surprised her and Bill by actually being a credible candidate that appeals to voters. The were so surprised that Hillary was not the shoe in she thought she was. People this is bigger than anyones ego here. Obama is ahead and has been ahead all along. All she is doing is making it impossible for us Democrats to win in November. I say the Super Delegates should be forced to choose right now. Enough of this garbage.
Posted by: joyfullyurs | April 25, 2008, 9:00 pm 9:00 pm
joyfullyyors the Okla. Gov was on CNN tonight and said he was endorsing Obama. Asked how he could go against his states voters who voted 55 to 31 for Hillary. He said as a superdel. he had to vote the way he felt was best. Doesn’t this take away the argument that Obama has the numbers.
Posted by: roncraw | April 25, 2008, 9:05 pm 9:05 pm
Sorry I didn’t see the show. But the Super Delegates are not pledged to vote like their state. My understanding is that they were created to step in when we are in the kind of situation we are in now – to be sure that the party is not split down the middle. Anyway, I was watching Bill Moyers tonight with Rev. Wright. Anyone watching with an open mind would see that much of what we have seen and heard has been created in the press to discredit Obama. I am very happy he came forward finally and spoke.
Posted by: joyfullyurs | April 25, 2008, 10:16 pm 10:16 pm
roncraw:
“This is not racist,its facts. Obama hasn’t won the white vote since Feb 19.”
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When is the last time Clinton won the black vote? As you said, this is not racist, it’s facts.
Posted by: jbate | April 25, 2008, 10:44 pm 10:44 pm
John McCain anh Clinton have very good exprience, but Obama doesn’t.
If no Clinton, I will vote for John McCain.
Posted by: Good Choice | April 26, 2008, 12:51 am 12:51 am
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said that he, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., and Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean will give a cause that will make Democratic party big lose in November.
Repurican party will have a big win this fall because of Reid, Pelosi, and Dean make a very bad decision.
Posted by: Big Lose | April 26, 2008, 1:00 am 1:00 am
There is no rule that the one who lead the delegate count will get the nomination under the Democrates proportionality rule unless the count reaches 2025. If neither candidate reaches 2025, they have to go to convention for a tie-breaker. Before reaching 2025 delegates, nobody has a claim of the nomination.
The OBAMA campaign, surrogates, and supporters are presumptuous that own the nomination. It is unethical to oust another candidate to get their nomination. It is against the rule. It is not fair to people voting. People are entitled to have all the votes counted and all the voices heard.
The black community turned their table on Bill Clinton over very petty things that they should be ashamed of. They are just making excuses for their racism and voting on the colour of skin rather than issues. These are the fact that Americans will long remember before the race is over.
Pushing Hillary out of the race is not a solution but a problem for the party. As the momentum of the race swinging to Hillary, the OBAMA people are ruining the party more than everything else. Hillary is just fighting for his rights which are legitimate and well deserved.
Again, nobody should count their chicken before all the eggs are hatched. Maths and statistics represents probability not reality. The changing tide proves that Maths don’t mean a thing. Just follow the rule and stop making up new rules to mess up the party anymore.
Do not make up new rules because the world is watching OBAMA is doing everything that he was against. From now on, he is downhill all the way.
He has never been a leader of any significant cause in the congress and bipartisanship. No one with a sensible mind thinks that he will.
Put up a good fight and stop your foul play, OBAMA and your fanatics stink.
Posted by: John_Lai | April 26, 2008, 1:51 am 1:51 am
The superdelegates should stop fooling around and just put Hillary over the top. What more do they need to see that Obama is unelectable?
Posted by: PAmassacre | April 26, 2008, 2:22 am 2:22 am
Obama supporters are always whining that Clinton is making him unelectable. Ever heard Clinton supporters whine that Obama is making her unelectable? What’s that tell you? Clyburn went all over the airwaves today whimpering about the Clinton’s making the nomination not worth having….it’s pathetic. Obama supporters KNOW he’s going to lose, and are already plotting the excuses. Clyburn is a dumb baboon.
Posted by: PAmassacre | April 26, 2008, 2:29 am 2:29 am
Oh sure, Hillary is now going to take her orders from Reed and Polosi ! Hillary cares nothing for the Democratic party or the country, it’s all about her. I wouldn’t be surprised if she runs as a third party against Obama to insure he looses so she can run again in 4 years.
Posted by: kneedermyer | April 26, 2008, 2:45 am 2:45 am
I am sick of Reid, Pelosi and Dean. In all my years with this party, this is the most pathetic group of incompetents running the democratic primaries. You people are real close to losing me in this election and at times I wish I had not voted for some of you in ’06. Time to go Independent!
Posted by: Average Joe | April 26, 2008, 7:09 am 7:09 am
i am with you, average joe!
The party has self-destructed in the past few years. There use to be values that you knew the party stood for. There just were core values we all held. Now you actually need to ask, or investigate to see the latest stand, and then see if the party has moved at all in that direction. Reid and Pelosi have squandered the opportunity the party/country gave them when we voted them in office. They have done nothing. It is a sad commentary. I have been a loyal dem for 36 years, NEVER voted republican. I may well vote mccain this year, as I refuse to vote bho-a racist and unamerican citizen, unfit to represent this country, especially with a white hating non-patriot, wife–. I too, will probably leave the party and un-affiliated, since independent is usually considered a party, too.
Posted by: pp | April 26, 2008, 7:29 am 7:29 am
Have waited patiently for the Democrats to do the best thing for our country during this long primary season.
We feel that the “dream team” is actually Edwards/Richardson (our original first choices)- candidates who appear to have the maturity and experience to lead our huge, diverse country with compassion and logic.
In an ideal world- the voters should have a chance to vote again for the BEST candidates, instead of watching and wasting time with the politics of negativity.
Oh, but this IS POLITICS, not the ideal world, so we can’t say “none of the above.” Or can we?
Dream Team “Edwards/Richardson 2008″
Posted by: AprilMaine | April 26, 2008, 8:24 am 8:24 am
Mccain just uses a simple word ” Experience” to beat Obama in 08. Obama has very less EXPERIENCE for the white house. As a result, Mccain will win a big at this election in November.
Posted by: EXPERIENCE | April 26, 2008, 10:16 am 10:16 am
molly:
I live in Florida and you don’t
know anything!
It was a state decision to move the
primary date up!
Both Republicans and Democrats voted
almost unanimously to move the date up!
Posted by: reaganfan | April 26, 2008, 12:01 pm 12:01 pm
DNC you screwed up the votes for FL & MI and now you’re trying to stitch up the rest of the voting! People have a democratic right to vote!!! Even if Obama is buying Super Deligates!!! How much are you making?!
SHAME ON YOU DNC, SHAME ON YOU!!!
Posted by: DAMNED ANGRY WOMAN | April 26, 2008, 12:02 pm 12:02 pm
IAM SO GLADE THEY ARE AT LEAST CONSIDERING SHUTTING THIS PRIMARY DOWN. WHO EVER HAS THE MOST DELAGATES AND OR POP VOTES AFTER THE SEASON SHOULD WIN .THE SDs VOTES SHOULD COME TO PUT THEM TO THAT NUMBER OR USE FL AND MI AS TIE BREAKERS.
Posted by: merle7 | April 26, 2008, 1:20 pm 1:20 pm
David- I believe the reason Gore lost was because their was a backlash on Clinton. Think about it- economically things were good. The Democrats should have won easily. But emotionally and spiritually the country was drained from all the scandals, lies and one “gate” after another. Those feelings were expressed at the polls, against Gore. That is why I believe he lost – it had nothing to do with him, hanging chads or anything except people were sick of all the garbage and Bush seemed to be something the Clintons were not – ethical. I’m not saying that proved to be true but it was the perception at the time. That is why Hillary cannot win the nomination – this country can’t go through all that garbage again. Too much at stake right now and too much work to be done.
Posted by: joyfullyurs | April 26, 2008, 1:55 pm 1:55 pm
EXPERIENCE – What kind of experience prepares one for the presidency? I don’t think there is really any. Truman- who was in my opinion the best leader in recent history, was a high school graduate and had nothing in his background to make people confident in his abilities. But he had common sense, honesty, integrity, was pragmatic, knew how to listen to people and then make the decisions he had to make and then take responsibility for those decisions. Those are all the gifts I believe Obama possesses. Give him credit for putting together a great campaign – that takes leadership skills. Ask yourself why so many people who have worked closely with the Clintons are on Obama’s team? If Hillary wins it will be a major defeat for the country.
Posted by: joyfullyurs | April 26, 2008, 2:10 pm 2:10 pm
Get out of here democratic fat cats and let the race finish. Senator Clinton is going to win anyways.
Posted by: Darein | April 26, 2008, 2:19 pm 2:19 pm
Think about it, actually, it is Obama who created such destruction in Democratic party. If he waited for a few more years and cleared his barriers during that peirod, that would his ideal time to come out and no one could stop him. Then Democratic can take white house for 16 years. But right now, he is not experienced and popular enough to take Hillary or Rep out easily.
Posted by: lynn | April 27, 2008, 2:58 pm 2:58 pm
Folks,
We don’t have to guess what might happen in the general election. We have enough polling data to get a pretty good idea.
They take all available polling data (from all 50 states) and plot it on the electoral map. In a head to head comparison between a Clinton/McCain and Obama/McCain race, Clinton is more electible.
Clinton beats McCain 291 electoral votes to 236 with Indiana being too close to call. Obama edges McCain 264 to 263 but does not get the 270 electoral votes required to win. The election would be decided by Indiana which is currently statistically tied between Republicans and Democrats but almost always leans Republican.
Why take the chance when we know that Clinton can win? She is leading the popular vote if you count Michigan and Florida and she will likely be leading in the popular vote at the end of the primaries. That should be enough to give her the nomination since neither candidate can reach the magical number of pledged delegates.
Posted by: jlynne | May 6, 2008, 3:56 am 3:56 am