Rural Dem Strategist: Clinton ‘Bosnia’ Gaffe Might Be Worse Than Obama ‘Small Town’ Gaffe

This whole “Karl Rove era” thing is ridiculous. I neither like nor dislike Mr. Rove, but what he did (and maybe still does) was to understand the American electorate better than any of his opponents.

Wait Just One Minute:
How do you misspeak about bullets going over your head.
This is not something like tripping over a rock.
This is not like a pimple on your face.
This is like bullets flying over your head.
Ask our soldiers coming back from Iraq if they can forget bullets flying over their heads. PDSD (Post…..)

The bottomline is Obama is unfit
to be even Senator IMHO

Many people hadn’t heard about Obama remarks. By the time they heard from Newspaper, they just read the words that Obama said in Indiana. Newspaper didn’t write original words that Obama said in San Francisco.Shame on you media that endorsed Barack Husein Obama!
That’s why we need Hillary stay in the race, because the more we will find out Obama’s crap.

After he is becoming one of the elite of American, he forgot the bitterness life he had strugled. Obama even insulted those small town people who have bitter in their life in front of Obama’s elite friends. Shame on you B Husein O!

“Saunders makes no bones about supporting Hillary Clinton if she runs for president, saying she’s already proved she can court “Bubba up in upstate New York.”
And: “No one should discount the fact that her last name’s Clinton.”"
from March 19, 2996, Roanoke.com
BUT
By Feb., 1008, after Edwards suspended his campaign Mudcat said he would do everything in his power to make sure Edwards does not endorse Hillary Clinton.
Hmmmmm.

Jeremy — is it elitist for white upper-class San Franciscoans to “giggle” over Obama’s statements while they send their kids to racially segregated schools, live in racially segregated neighborhoods, and resist policies that would redistribute monies to underfunded poor urban schools or bus “innercity” kids to largely white suburban schools? OH – and they also support land use and “urban renewal” policies which have made San Francisco and its immediate vicinity unaffordable for working class persons of color and persons with families in general? Are wealthy whites angry when they do these things? I wonder….Of course, I also wonder why they support Obama while poor people support Clinton. The standard elitist “line” says that’s because they are uneducated. Well, I guess we should discount black voters too, since blacks have among the lowest high school graduation and college completion rates in the nation. Instead of being so smug, consider whether poor folks believe that Clinton will deliver specifics, rather than simply speak in soaring prose. Consider also whether wealthy whites are voting more to prove a point — about their own goodness — rather than believing Obama is the superstar they portray him as. I have never seen such self-whiteous hype in my entire life. Also, perhaps wealthy whites do not care about policy and can beat up the “policy wonk” because ultimately, they lead privileged lives.

ok.Obama made a gaffe but the reality is knowing that he cares enough about all of us to acknowledge our true feelings. And I as a rural black american hunt, fish and attend my rural baptist church every sunday. It is what I have. At least Obama knows that I exist and yes I am bitter because all of this unfairness in american has been going on too long. How dare Hillary try to paint herself as one of us. That is arrogant and elilist.

NRC said kerry and Algore lost electin because they are “elitist”. This is divisive I think.

Sanders quote on CNN:
Saunders said “rural America will be crucial in this election.”
“The one thing that I preached during this whole deal is we can’t be stereotyping anybody,” he said. “Well, Barack Obama just stereotyped my people out in rural America.”
“Here’s a guy who says he shouldn’t be stereotyped, but yet he stereotyped us.”
“I’m a southern boy myself,” Saunders told CNN by phone. “I don’t have a gun because I’m bitter, it’s because I’ve always had one. I don’t pray to God because I’m bitter. I pray to God because it makes my life better.”

I love how Obama flipped the scripted on Hillary
She will now be on the defense…
It was expected of McCain
but certainly not Clinton
I want to see her excuse now

TCG,
Not in my family. Didn’t matter what color the union brethern were, just so long as you were willing to walk the line.
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Obama, walking the line for the elite!
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I’m just saying
Obama flipped the scripted right on time for the beginning of the week
Trouble for Clinton this week
She thought she had this “controversy” in the bag
I guess not

Hillary made an over-statement that hurts nobody but herself.
OBAMA fabricate the reasons for rural Americans going to church and holding on guns. Find the word ‘cling’ out in your dictionary, then you can tell if it is demeaning. It is just like throwing the whole town under the bus to please the billionaires for their money.
Look at the lies that OBAMA made:
1) He filled up a survey form with his own handwriting on it and yet he denies that he has anything to do with it and the media caught up on him with evidence.
2) Go to Factcheck to see his oil spill. 3) The fundraising with the billionaires contradicts his ad of taking money from grass roots not the lobbyists. He has people in that column working for him now.
4) The false ad he put up in order to show NAFTA takes away jobs for a guy who is later found to get a huge compensation from the closing of the company. Employees of that company claims the leave package was the best thing they had in life.
5) He claims that Kennedy has anything to do with his father’s sponsorship to this country and he use the Kennedy’s connection to boost his campaign. (not true; go to http://www.Factcheck.org)
6) Staying in a church for 20 years that preach hatred and racism to his children, he claims that it is the black culture, nothing special about it. The 20 years of venom could be seen from his outbursts at times.
7) His voting record shows that he frequently wants to go back on his ballots. He frequently claims to be misinterpreted.

I live in Bethlehem, PA and yes I am bitter that politicians don’t listen to poor folks. May be I will vote for change, maybe.

So Westie is a Wobblie, I see. But he, Got no support in this from Hills. Because Hills is both for and against freed trade. Hills hate the Wobb’s, when it is convenient that is.
McCain and O can take an informed opinion on trade. We’ll learn this in the fall.
Course Hill and Bill took 1 Mill dollars n fees for shillin for the Columbian Free Trade Deal. Now She be agin it. But nobody believe her now.
Be’in East Coast, I’m out. I won’t touch no polk salad. Evah.

Would someone please tell me why we keep bring up what bill clinton did or did not do in the 90.
please people let us try to look at the issues that face us today, and think who will be the best for us over the next four years.
bill clinton was impeached for having an affair and lying about it by some men who as we later found out had mistresses, where cheating the gov. out of funds left and right-having affairs with young boys, etc.
we are not going to be able to impeach bill again.
and this time it is Sen. Hillary Clinton who is running for president
I have read her plans and how she will pay for them-if you are a person concerned about healthcare, getting the economy back on track, and affordable college, go back and read her plan it will work for us. obama copies hillary.
now if you are one of the wealthy such as mr. “mudcat” then this is just a game to you also-so keep up the bill talk. and ignore what is eventually help you-Hillary.
Obama has the media, all the money, and the support of the bigwigs of the dem. party pulling for him. and he is still making a mess of things.
go to fox right now and see why he will never be president-fox and mecain

TCG,
Far from it, I’m a free market capitalistic Democrat. I believe in a balanced budget, based on prioritized values. I also believe in efficiencies, smaller government, and cutting taxes whenever possible. I believe in free trade augmented by environmental regulation, and I also believe that when it comes to one nation placing trade barriers against us, that we meet them in kind, an eye for an ey. I’m quite certain that Hillary is of the same ilk.
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Hillary, a balanced approach!
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countallthevotes writes:
“after Edwards suspended his campaign Mudcat said he would do everything in his power to make sure Edwards does not endorse Hillary Clinton.”

Let’s face it, Obama revealed his true colors. He has serious electability issues.

Obama is absolutely right.
People are totally fed up with the namby-pamby centrist Clintons who want the peoples’ vote while making policy of, by and for their fellow elite.
Hillary and Bill should just retire to that mega-bucks country house and let us and Obama fix the mess they and the Bushes made.
Enough of the Clintons, geez, already, please…we need Obama in the White House!

right cj.
Hillary has you spinning this now?
Pathetic.
He flipped the switch right on time for the Monday
paper. Annie Oakley es first page news.

Barack Obama for President of the UNITED States of America.

“This whole “Karl Rove era” thing is ridiculous. I neither like nor dislike Mr. Rove, but what he did (and maybe still does) was to understand the American electorate better than any of his opponents.” -
He understands America so well that he over played the GOP hand so bad that he SCREWED his party for a generation. He’s an overblown hack. A hack !

The Bosnia story has more legs because it is more comedic rather than condescending. People are too skeered to talk for fear of a snake shortage that would ensue.

Yarrr,
That’s just dang funny as Mudcat’s name.
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Obama, the best comedy act in America besides Yarrr!
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Oh please Vanessa. Obama looks a little silly (sissy) dancing the Annie Oakley. Besides, as much as he has been flip flopping on gun control he really doesnt want to go there.
finally, if he plans on using that obamingtonpost.com stuff on bill clinton, he had better be ready. bill was talking about a specific campaign in north carolina where republicans ran a commercial basically saying black people are taking your jobs. it was the same year, and this was used to defeat the black senate candidate’s run. this is very different from obama’s mess. pathetic. THE DEMS ARE GOING TO LOSE AGAIN! YES! WHAT A WASTE OF HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. WE COULD HAVE BUILT SOME SCHOOLS WITH THIS MONEY RATHER THAN NOMINATING A LOSER.

I was watching c-span Sunday and there was a reporter on from Politico. A caller asked the question, “why isn’t anyone talking about Hillary Clinton’s fraud trial in California.” Well, he never even acknowledged the question. He went to a totally different subject. By not talking about it, the media is clearly showing bias for her, but I’m sure that Fox news will be all over it f she becomes a threat. The case is Peter Paul vs Hillary Clinton.

Vote for Bam or go back to Europe.

People in the US want the truth from their politicians, but they only want the truth that they agree with.

Here’s the most important news today, on FOX:
Report: Carter and Gore to Team Up Against Clinton to End Her Presidential Bid
Hoorah!!!

In this afternoon’s conference call sponsored by the Pennsylvania Sportsmen and Sportswomen for Obama, small-town politicians said the latest attacks from the Clinton campaign are shameless, aimed at creating divisions in their communities.
“Trying to turn small-town Pennsylvanians against each other for political gain is shameless,” said Mayor John Fetterman of Braddock, Pa. Fetterman blasted the New York senator for trying to win votes by patronizing gun owners, a move he said shows a willingness to win at all costs.
“I think it’s really discouraging and tacky to see Hillary Clinton pandering as if she’s a gun owner,” said Fetterman. “I think it demonstrates and represents willingness to say anything and everything to get elected.”
Rep. Dan Surra (D-PA) said he shares the frustration of the constituents he represents.
“I represent the people that Barack Obama was talking about, that people who have lost their jobs,” Surra said. “I think he understands, there is a frustration out there.”

To break one of the ten commandments and claim to be a Christian is definitely by far worse – a liar is a rogue. This is off the point but the Elections Commission needs to prohibit cross party voting during party nominations. The Republicans should be barred from voting for Democratic Nominees as they are not members of the party. This has been a dirty tactics used by the Republicans for a while as over 100,000 voted for Hillary in Texas as directed by a Conservative radio talkshow host. The democrats don’t play that game. Keep the Republicans out of the Democratic Nomination!

Obama made a poor choice of words. Clinton made a poor choice of lies. Her comments about being under fire in Bosnia will alienate most of the veterans – most of whom are really disgusted by someone who lies about having been in combat.
Obama spoke the truth, and the elitists want us to think he has insulted us. He’s right – we cling to our guns and our religions and our xenophobias because after the government gets through with us, that’s all we have left to cling to.
Clinton is the elitist. Weren’t most rural Americans disgusted by her fling in a bar, where she managed to “throw back” a shot of whiskey? Does that make her a better man than Obama? That was about the most condescending thing she’s done so far, and she’s done a lot of them. Trying to make us believe Obama insulted us by speaking the truth is one of them. We rural Americans know when we’ve been insulted, and Obama hasn’t done it.
Clinton is trashing her own campaign, and while Bill is doing all he can to help her, I still think she’ll get the nomination. She has all the superdelegates bought and paid for already, so it won’t matter who the lowly people themselves want to be their nominee.

ANOTHER CLINTON FIB? Reacting indignantly two questions about her recent gun and church experience, Sen. Clinton told CNN that a press query about the last time she fired a gun or attended church services “is not a relevant question in this debate…we can answer that some other time…this is about what people feel is being said about them. I went to church on Easter. I mean, so??”
Well, not so fast, Hillary. Easter Sunday was one of three days you spent at home in Chapaqqua with nothing on the public schedule. We do know, however, from Mark Halperin’s The Page, that you left the house Sunday afternoon to have Easter lunch with Bill and Chelsea and her boyfriend at Blue Hlll Farm on the old Rockefeller estate about thirty minutes away. What service did you go to in Chappaqua that morning? Surely, gven the flap that swirled around Obama and Rev Wright at that time, your public observance of Christ’s Resurrection would have been noticed by pool, local public, or papparazzi.
So WHERE did you go to church within driving distance of the Chappaqua house? You can tell us.

In an Answer to a Question about small-town America Barack answered in earnest and with thoughtfullness: “You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone…And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”
What Barack meant in Essence, which is the Clear-Cold Truth, unlike Hillary’s Bosnia Fabrication and Continuing Performances, Small America, due to a loss of jobs producing frustration and bitterness and time on their hands, similarly to the Negros in Slavery time, who turned to Religion & Music for an outlet, small-town Americans turn to Religion, Hunting & yes, some blame of the current conditions on Immigrants when they should be turning their blame on Politicians who allow employers to higher immigrants for a much lower wage than Americans would go for. He never said religion or hunting (music) were bad, because people tun to them for an outlet when they have lost hope in their government and with extra time on their hands and in a way to channel their frustration and bitterness. The Wording could have been better, however I am sure this was due to Barack being tired and on the campaign trail for over 15 months. What he could have said instead, which are synonyms for bitter are that People are Resentful, experiencing Pain, and Prolonged Discomfort, due to harsh and painful economic conditions. However, the fact that McCain, Clinton and others are trying to take a poor choice of words and to make nothing into something– blowing it out of proportion — and playing politics as usual, is despicable. People in small-town America have experienced a loss of jobs in a greater degree and opportunity that Cities, with very little to look forward to and time on their hands other than to go to church, hunt, and visit their local tavern, and for the young, many join the Military, and so many small town Americans have become bitter and disillusioned. Obama never stated that it was wrong that they turned to Religion and Guns due to time on their hands and a loss of hope, culture, plays, theaters, etc., they for an outlet turned to religion and guns.
In a larger picture, people in general all over America, are bitter over high gas prices, increased food prices, loss of jobs and hope, high education costs, increased mortgage costs and foreclosure, loss of jobs that leave the country and move to India and/or China, and as hard as it is to say, some people are bitter over immigration and the loss of jobs due to companies hiring immigrants for a much lower wage than Americans would go for — in an America that does not resemble the one we used to know and believe in. We have even lost the respect and admiration of other countries around the world due to the demise of the America we love and believe in. As Barack points out, we should not blame the Immigrants but the policies that have caused this chaos.
America, we have to ask ourselves, which is more eggrecious, a politician telling us the hard truth, the things we may not want to hear but need to hear OR a politician telling us a Fantasy/Lie, like the Bosnia Sniper Fire fabrication and PERFORMANCE, things we did not need to hear because not Truth, and which is a betrayal of the public trust and a deeply flawed Character Issue. There was a time that politicians was the most Honest Game in town — George Washington, Honest Abe, Thomas Jefferson these are just a few examples, but they were men of high ethics and moral character who would not dare to tell the public a bold face … for their own personal gain, it just was not done. And to say that Obama is an elitist, is like coloring Sen. Kerry a deserter, which they tried and was somewhat successful at, and look where it got us, into a war that should never have been waged and a host of other woes that only True Change from the bottom-up can Transform. I hope the people will see through Clinton and McCain’s politicking, Distorting and twisting his words and Message for their own political gain and rally to Obama’s aide who in all honesty is trying to Change Washington from a Power Broker to Power People, because in the end it will be the people’s voice and votes that matter.

I hope no one is fooled by this scripted routine by the Clintons. President Clinton and Senator Hillary Clinton are no fools and his reviving this issue is no accident but a calculated risk/scheme to use the same tactics allegedly used by the out going president of Taiwan. It is alleged he hired someone to shoot him in the leg because he felt he would loose the elections. He won that election with the sympathy vote. President Clinton sensing his wife’s defeat, in desperation, is sighting his wife’s age and fatigue for her vivid inaccuracies of the event is merely a plot for the sympathy vote for the tired old woman (Hillary) at 60. It worked in Taiwan. The timing of President Clinton’s apparently naive but foxy move is no accident. The effect of Senator Obama resent intentionally misunderstood comments plus Hillary’s premature senility can be greater then the sum of the two. We are very fortunate that we can see through this and not be fooled by this gimmick. They cannot be trusted. Make me worry about that 3am phone call.

Hillary learnt a terrible lesson from the Bill days when america stood behind Bill, in spite of his lies in having sex with an intern in the White House. She misunderstood that to mean americans are gullible and cannot see through lies.
She has been so fake on the campaign, her every word calculated to deceive, he pandering so predictable that she really will not only lose this election but also her potential as a future leader

Obviously, Mrs. Clinton is not smart in criticizing Mr. Obama. With her criticism, this issue will become once again a non-issue for him.
It seems that the press and people like to pound on her more. I wonder what will happen if she is not campaigning anymore. This is when, we may be exposed to Mr.Obama’s weakness and inconsistencies in detail.
Here is a man replete with inconsistencies – one has to read his books and campaign speeches on Rev. Wright, trade, religion, Muslims etc.. It is clear with his different postures for different folks that he has an (unsaid) agenda for America.
Only God can bless and protect this country from
people running for the Oval Office who are committed to other nations and continents!

As a rural American of professional background, living just across the state line from NW Pa., I think most of us “get” Obama’s insight into rural American. He is trying to elevate our politics to a level of honesty, truth, and sincerity and thoughtful discussion……to move us beyond the place of polarization in which we have been stuck for far too long, wasting our energy and rhetoric on everything but the important issues needed to move America toward solutions. The problem with Hillary is that she contributes to this polarization by making issues out of nothing in an effort to distract us from what is important… in an effort to manipulate voters..appealing to what is worst about us not what is best..which is itself, an elitist attitude that assumes we are stupid. Well, we aren’t that stupid and we are tired of the condescension she represents. This lastest attack on Obama’s sincere insight (which most informed people understand is correct) is but one more example of her unethical and immoral tactics to win by any means necessary, even at the expense of truth. For Clinton, the ends justifies the means….and, as I recall this approach is basic to communist philosophy……for Obama the means determines the ends. Those of us who want new outcomes and progress toward the solutions to our countries many challenges….we cannot afford a president for whom winning trumps truth.

Hillary’s Bosnia comments were not a “gaffe” they were self serving bald faced LIES! They insulted the command of Task Force Eagle and implied that the soldiers there jeopardized the wife and CHILD of the president by not securing the base.
A compulsive liar is not qualified to lead the free world. A liar that throws her military officers under the bus for her own benefit is beyond the pale.
There is no comparison here and for the main stream media to continue to play dumb on this is a betrayal of the free press.

Hillary Clinton is a liability tn the Democratic Party. Dems will cut their losses and Unite behind Obama.
Obama all the way!

“People may be angry that the government is failing,but they do not CLING to their GUNS and/or RELIGION because of their anger/bitterness towards government!”
John,
Your quote reminded me, under that Violent Radicalization Bill….he kinda called them domestic terrorists. If he can flip the switch on what others say, so can we. ;)
Bitter with guns, religion, and the Constitution, with the desire to keep their guns and mad at the world, small town PA, could be charged under his false description of them.
Geez…whatta a guy! He reminds me of Bush everyday.

Clark Jackson wrote: I just don’t get it. Obama’s remarks are basically correct. I know ’cause I’m a small town guy from PA. What’s the big deal here?
The Big deal are: you lost your job and cling to gun to kill people. you hate immigrant, and you antisemitism and agree like Rev Wright said god damn America.
You small towm people scare a lot of elite californian marrin County.

I was watching c-span Sunday and there was a reporter on from Politico. A caller asked the question, “why isn’t anyone talking about Hillary Clinton’s fraud trial in California.” Well, he never even acknowledged the question. He went to a totally different subject. By not talking about it, the media is clearly showing bias for her, but I’m sure that Fox news will be all over it f she becomes a threat. The case is Peter Paul vs Hillary Clinton.

Perhaps it’s a good thing that Obama is pretty much a clear slate. His wacky supporters are free to project their own biases, sociological and demographic junk science.
Give it a rest people. IT’S WHERE HE MADE THE REMARKS THAT IS SINKING HIM. Heretofore, what had he communicated during that big bus trip throughout Pennsylvania that would give people the sense that he had picked up on their frustration AND HAD PLANS TO ADDRESS IT!
gotcha!!!!!!!!

I kind of though we were “post racial” until Obama pointed out the racism in Hillary and Bill and Ferraro…forgave it in Wright and now is describing it all across small town America…Nice to have a moral compass that appears to be taking America back thirty years…
This election should be about the future…I resent the consistant effort to make this election about apologisizing to Blacks for slavery or Jim Crow.
I have a bi-racial grandson that has never experienced the prejudice that Obama’s campaign injected into this campaign…Although I think it was his campaign’s decision seeing as how he was constantly denying that he felt that way. When they made that decision America started to get ugly…and trust me no amount of Hollywood insiders or MSM spinners is going to fix this.
I do not want my grandson to have to experience the “new politics” that are pretty hopeless…The blogs are a reflection of a new anger on the streets. And as a middle aged white woman that hasn’t really seen this before I don’t care for it all.

Obama has lost his moejoe!
The gig is up!!!
We are really getting to know the Obama that we do not know!
Beter now than in the White House
His friends:
WRIGHT, FARRAKHAN AND NOW WE JUST FOUND OUT WILLIAM AYERS…SCARY!!

Small-town folks in PA voting for
Clinton are untutored masochists asking for 25 more years of joblessness.

Yes. Excuse those of us whose urban communities are plagued by weapons fire and dead children to be too busy grieving over their loss than to grieve over the gun rights of a minority of persons which might be lost through more efficient gun control.