Senator Clinton Gets a Workout in Philly

Go Hillary
Philly Loves you!
You are the best Democratic Candidate we have.

GO HILLARY!!!!
Hillary just makes my day when she does silly fun stuff like this!!
SHE IS THE WOMAN TO GET IT DONE!!!!!
THIS NC WOMAN IS VOTING FOR HILLARY ON MAY 6th!!!!!

WOMEN FOR HILLARY!!!!

She won’t win Philly
The African American population is LARGE
She should practice what Obama is doing
Go into town where she has a chance
This is Obama is chpping away at her lead
He’s hitting places where she has a small lead and with hopes to overturn
It’s working

Vanessa where are you getting the info on Philly? Because the real truth is Obama is slipping in the polls that are in state

I hope Vanessa isn’t still quoting the stale poll by PPP (D) that had Obama up by 2 percentage points in PA back on 4/1.

Closing the gap on a 20 point lead is hardly news. We have seen that once he starts campaigning in states, he can do that. Good for him. Big deal. The bigger question is whether or not he can close the deal! In short, the answer is NO!
All of the pundits say she has to win by huge margins or she’ll have to get out. Well, 10% wasn’t *huge* by their standards in Ohio, but she’s still in the race.
I’m actually not a bully. I have actually complimented Vanessa on a couple of occasions for talking about the margin of error. When was the last time you complimented a Hillary supporter?

I agree… Obama won’t win PA but she needs a landslide
15+
Its looks more and more everyday chances are
she’ll win by 6 or 8
she’ll only have a net gain of maybe 6 or 7
Thats not enough
And if a shocker occurs
and Obama wins PA
April 23:
Clinton suspends her campiagn
The point is
she needs a landslide and I believe she won’t get it

It’s ok LOM – Clinton supporters can “take it” because like Clinton, we are humanitarians who understand the human element. As the nomination process continues and their candidate fails to make significant progress towards locking up the nomination, Obama supporters will feel dispair and lash out emotionally. The bad thing about that is: Obama cannot win in the GE without the majority of the very people they lash out at. Right now, as I am sure you know, the polling trends are not in his favor but things are still close.

Vanessa — You said the same thing about Ohio, on script with the rest of the pundits. Tell me, why does she need to win by a landslide? Is it your position that 6 or 7 points is not enough to continue her candidacy?
I will agree if Obama pulls an upset, she will have little to no argument for staying in the race. I truly doubt that will happen though, but never say never.

And the AA population is only 8% in Phildelphia.Less than many southern states

Vanessa – no male candidate has ever been criticized for staying in a nomination race all the way through theo convention regardless of standing. As a female, one yould think you could see how you are being sexist in your views. Unfortunately, women discriminate against women more than men do and that is why women still make 70 cents on the dollar and suffer accepted sexism in society every day. You might want to reassess your perspective so that you do not appear as condescending and sexist as some of Obama’s surrogates and supporters do.
A landslide is actually not needed in PA for her to remain competitive. The different in delegates is much lower than the remaining delegates and superdelegates. Without FL and MI, neither candidate will likely achieve half the delegates prior to the convention so neither candidate will become the presumptive nominee before then. Delegates are not bound to the electorate, superdelegates are not bound to the electorate, and unpledged delegates are not bound to the electorate… good thing too or there would never be a nominee this year for the dems. With FL and MI (court cases in process and credentials committee undecided) possibly being seated even 1/2 credit per delegate, the race tips to Clinton. Would you then ask Obama to step aside? Not likely – you would hope that the delegates at the convention vote to give him the nomination.

svsolis – current projections for Puerto Rico are for Clinton but it is too early to tell. But Peurto Rico is not a state so it doesnt fit into the electability argument that superdelegates will have to consider.

If Clinton does win PA by a landslide, is the converse true: SDs will start questioning Obama?
I don’t agree with your analysis, but I really do appreciate you putting forth your thought process.
The fact is that she will not close the gap in pledged delegates. But the margin by which Obama leads will continue to shrink.
By the way, Obama shows that he won Texas on his website…the claim being that he won more delegates.

Hillary is so cute! So smart! So energetic! So full-of-life! It is hard to believe that she is over 60, a extremely capable political veteran, but from time to time just like a breath of fresh air!

The TX caucuses are currently under investigation so dont bet on Obama’s claims being a final count. The TX SOS said Clinton won TX based on the primary because the caucus voters were a small subset of the primary voters. Delegates apportioned based on the primaries are not in question which gives Clinton TX by delegates also.
Regarding the Limbaugh effect: Analysts have already determined it was insignificant and actually was in Obama’s favor.
“In the Democratic primaries overall, fewer than 5 percent of voters said they were Republicans. And that five percent voted for Barack Obama 53 percent to 39 percent over Hillary Clinton – which is very much like the votes of self-identified independents, who split 55 percent for Obama, 39 percent for Clinton.”
So Clinton’s win in TX was even more significant than it appears and the caucus results may have been skewed by the cheating by Obama supporters and/or republicans who are anti-Clinton regardless of Rush’s and Ingraham’s wishes.

Thank God there are no pictures.

Vanessa – Are you actually saying Obama caucuses in Texas OVERTURNED the will of the Texas electorate who voted for Hillary? Wow. All this talk about the will of the people coming from the Obama camp, huh?

Vanessa – *sigh* I know you are trying to look at the numbers but they are more than what you are seeing. Reread the exit poll results posted in the previous entry and you will see the numbers indicate most Republicans voted for Obama not Clinton.
Also, Clinton has Republican supporters… specifically females and some white males that are reagan democrats. I suspect she has more female Republicans because the female Republican voting bloc has been MIA from the Republican primaries in every state. This is not being covered much in the MSM of course since it would reflect poorly on Obama.

Careful folks, don’t want to be labeled as a bully.
However, if there was a substantial argument on Vanessa’s part, then I would expect her fellow Obama supporters to be here standing alongside her. But they aren’t. Why might that be?
Seriously, good for her for trying though.

LOM,
Have you been able to find any Obama supporters that make valid arguments on much of anything?
I’ve basically been harassed and called names by approximately 99% of them, and have seen little evidence of use of real facts to support their position. Early on I attempted to utilize facts and logic to persuade them, but have been forced to slowly deteriorate down to a grunting level to be able to have any reciprocal communication.
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Obama Zombie Nation, where grunts count as votes!
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Vanessa – Too much democracy? Isn’t that one heck of a silly position for a democrat such as you claim you are?

Grunt, grunt, snort, bluhhh….
It’s a beautiful day here in Washington…the temperature is supposed to be preceeded by a “7″! About time.
I’m off to the island property to play on the beach. No wireless connection…no computers…no politics! See you guys. Have fun blogging and have a great weekend everyone.

LOM,
You worried me for a second, I was starting to fear that you’ve gone Obama on us after you cast what sounded like four possible votes. Have fun at the beach. Temperature math sounds more interesting than delegate math with that kind of weather
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Obama, what will Vanessa do once he is elected?
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Enjoy LOM! I will give a salute for you at Arlington this weekend.

DCVoter – Absolutely no offense taken. Tears gone. Feel better.

When Obama outspends Clinton by 5:1 in some areas and still can’t win at similar ration, it shows that he still has some big issues.
Even if Obama wins the nomination because of the party leaders are willing to rig the election by bullying Clinton out of th e race, he will loose the general election because of his relationships with Wright and other anti-American radicals.

Go Hillary – A Pennsylvania butt kicking coming Obama’s way! However, I forgot the Obama news media’s math where Montana, South Dakota, Nebraska, Idaho and Alaska mean more than Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan , Florida, California, Texas and New York (Marist poll has Obama losing to Mccain in NY) Wake up Dem’s or a Dukakis/Mcgovern defeat is headed our way!

DCVoter: I always enjoy your posts on this and other blogs, and look forward to reading more of them. With that said, I want to point out a few things about an earlier post you wrote to Vanessa. Perhaps I can explicate, at least in part, why some women (Obama supporters and some female media personalities) disparage Hillary. As you pointed out, some women do work to subordinate and subjugate members of their own gender. In some cases, it’s a mechanism to remain an exception to the rule, such as the queen-bee syndrome. In other instances, some women actually engage in discriminative behaviors to malign or injure other women for reasons that aren’t as obvious. Many of these women are not dissimilar to the oppressed black man that subjugates his female partner. One would consider his behavior illogical given that he has been oppressed himself, and should therefore know better than to oppress someone else. The reality is that oppression is the foundation of human existence; it’s ingrained in our collective modus opperanda. Oppression is the oldest archetypal performance in human history, and while men are typically the oppressors, women can also execute the deed. One reason is socialization. From antiquity, women were socialized to distrust each other and to compete for men as their primary means of financial support. While securing a man for financial sustenance is no longer a necessity for most contemporary women, the socialized distain for other women is still there. In short, some women dislike strong, competent, and smart women. They especially loathe women who are ambitious, opinionated, strong-willed, and outspoken. These are behaviors ascribed to a man, but even today, still frowned upon in women. Hillary can be characterized by all of these adjectives, and more. She epitomizes typical male attributes, and is branded a “monster.” She’s also feminine, and as such is commonly referred to as “shillary,” by her detractors, among other pejoratives. She’s in a classic catch 22, also known as a double-bind. No matter how she behaves, she’s a monster or a shillary. For both men and women who can’t or won’t see beyond gender roles, she will always be demonized. For the rest of us, she’s just a strong, capable, and dedicated public servant, who is unrivaled as the best presidential candidate we’ve had in years.

Keep on heathy Hillary,,
We need you to keep going..
God bless you and your campaign..

I’m sorry I meant ” keep on healhty..Hillary”

Hi DC Voter,
Welcome back buddy..

Emily – I’m on another ABC blog called: Obama Talks Public Financing, Penn, Carter and Powell in Press Avail. I’m beating get my daily dose of beating on Obama groupies. Yes, I’m a man. At least I was when I got up.

crisis – thanks
VA Indie and Emily – nope I am still here but I do think assumptions about gender and race online are amusing. I dont reveal gender or race because I believe it taints conversation for politics in particular. I think you will find we all multitask.

DC Voter,
No matter you are a man or a woman , I just need to tell you I really admire you for your polite and accurate comments.
Hillary is sure be very happy to have a supporter like you.

Thanks DCVoter,
Although I’m not gay but I think Hillary’s proposal was very good.
As a human being we all should have the same legal Rights.

Emily, DCVoter,Hillary supporters,
I have to go…got to take care my pets.
Have a nice weekend everybody.
Please pray for Hillary and her campaign.
Thanks guys..