Super-D Update

Harry Reid has the spine of a jellyfish. He has yet to craft a way to stand up to the repugnant policies of the current administration, even though he leads a majority. If he thinks we’re going to listen to a call to disenfranchise Florida and Michigan he better forget. We will take to the streets of Denver before that happens.

As a lifelong democrat, I hope all democrates will join me in hoping we get rid of Howard Dean.as Chair of the DNC-we never had any of this mess when terry Mcc. was the chairman. It is so clear dean is a obama supporter. and he has ruined the Dem. party. It is said that many have reg. as a dem. but because of fl and michigan, and his clear stacking the cards against hillary
they will lose many dems. I will not vote for obama in nov. and I know many others who will not either. simply because of dean and co. and the far left of the party. ramming obama down our throat.
lets vote NO to Howard Dean as party chair.
NO to DEAN!
Heyhey, hoho, Howard Dean has got to go!
yeehi!

Get Rid of Dean?!??!?
What are you thinking. The Kos Kids love the dude. It’ll be a fight, Man.

By any means if necessary. That’s the moto of the Tuzla GI-Jane, now Rocky Balboa.
By the way, after listening the HRC make the Rocky analogy, it is hard to believe that she misspoke last week about her trip to Bosnia. She seems obsessed with action movie heroes. So it is rather natural that at one point, she believes that she is one of them.

Bosnia-gate will sink the Clintons. All the Republicans have to do is show their lies and bring up the latest one…BOSNIA-GATE. This will reinforce peoples feelings about the Clintons, They will lie and lie and the American people will have to spend 70 million to determine what the meaning of “is” is. Only this time we will have to spend 120+ million (taking into account inflation).

Go for it Gore,time you wised up

The power of party elites, aka super delegates and the DNC, to manipulate the outcome of an election is disturbing. Mr. McCain is looking better and better.

Jim Turney, Meeks is a superdelegate and a Illinois State Senator. So now Obama has to be accountable for his fellow politicians as well? So McCain has to be accountable for Trent Lott and the Idaho Senator and all the other crazies in office on the Hill.
William Ayers is a Univercity of Chicago Professor. Since Obama taught there it is very likely he knows him…so what. If the man is a criminal then he should be in jail, not teaching at the Univercity of Chicago.
Sen. Obama, does not have to be held to a different standard then any other person. He is not responsible for everyone walking the Earth, this is racism as I see it.
This is what black people are talking about. It’s not enough that a Black student gets and A+ in order to be considered equal, they have to get an A++++ to be equal with the white B- white student. This white middle aged woman is tired of the double standard and I will be voting for Obama.

so its …
a Obama who distanced from his pastor’s derogatory remarks
vs
a Hillary, one of the biggest straight face pathological liers ever ( sniper fire – not onw, not tow, not three, but 4 pinnochios — washington post)
Ouch….that makes Ickes look like either a an oxymoron or “morally bankcrupt” for making an argument for Hillary based on the above comparision.

when the republicans fully expose obama’ mother and her marxist politics
and voters connect his young life teachings with marxism and his adult life teachings with black seperatist church. you get a clearer picture of who obama must be in his core. no matter what he stands up and tells his supporters.
I do not believe you can have that kind of background and come out a uniter of the people of the united states.
I wonder how he views this unity will play out over the next four years of his presidency-and I wonder how his supporters are going to feel?
I do believe the people of pa will correct this wrong. that is being done.
also-
If we just think about it when it comes to the ge in nov.
Hillary’s bosnia story we can weather because it really is not as bad as the
obama wright-marxist mother’s story that is going to be fully be revealed by the rep.
The disservice is be put over by the media on the people who continue to blindly support him now-is the sad thing.
You heard it here from me-mark it
if obama gets the nomination the dems
will not win the white house.
can you see john mccain story up against obama checkered history-that the media (just out of spite for Hillary) are suppressing.
can you see it
John Mccain war hero-pow
and his family millitary history
up against obama’
marxist mother and these che’ like people.
Just remember when we get to the general election-who helped us get there
dean and co.
please voters do not put
obama up against mccain-if you truly want to end the war going on in iraq.

Bosnia event is the proof that Hillary is one of biggest straight faced liers ever….
And if you compare her lies to that of Bill’s you can see they are perfect match for each other.
So voting for Hillary would mean voting for a package/team of biggest combination of liers.

there are many democrats that do consider WRIGHT’s word hateful. Now the question is judgement on Obamas part. I would never ever consider Wright as a mentor, someone to preach the gospel to my children and not have the same ideals. I don’t give a rats patootie all the good Wright has done, one bad comment of hate is bad, more that one is pure disqust. Plus Obama is a proven liar just on this one issue, he is raw meat and the republicans know they can tear him apart. It will be interesting to see Dean spin all this, he’s a idiot.

If it was very safe in Bosnia, why were the soldiers in full combat gear? I drive by a recruiting office everyday and I’ve never seen anyone in the office walking around in combat gear.Mac

WestCoastMessenger,
Each candidate has problem with their surrogates: Obama with his pastor, McCain with his pastor Haggie (for calling Catholics curch ?hore), and Hillary with her brother earning 100s of thousand for having Bill Clinton free a felon.
But, none of the above compares to straigt faced lies (4 pinnocios in one phrase) by, not surrogates, but the candidate hiself/herself.
And here is how Obam can handle a necular crisis: As he did when it came to decide agianst the Biggest US foreing policy blunder by reading he intelligence report, by his vision, and by his judgement….compare that to Hillary’s experience of imaginary snipar fires, idoit-like carelesness of not reading the intelligence report, and voting for the war using her ZERO judgement, ZEOR vision.

WestcoastMessenger you are making a mistake. The 527’s will not have the impact you think they will with this Wright issue because even the biggest fools in the world know that because Casey for example supported Obama after the Wright controversy, doesn’t mean he condones the specifics of those comments. I think the problem here is that Republicans have exaggerated the impact of this Rev Wright issue and are flabbergasted that it hasn’t had the desired effect on the Obama campaign. Definitely it has hurt the Obama campaign. But the fact is it hasn’t, and never will, hurt him where it matters (with his BASE). The truth is that most of Obama’s supporters think this country’s policies have been unjust to minorities and poor folks (white and black and blue and brown). They are the Bob Kennedy Democrats and in many ways, this Wright controversy helps Obama with those folks. For them this is not a campaign. It IS A MOVEMENT. Perhaps it is the biggest movement since our nation fought for its independence. A movement spurred by the audacity to reclaim a dream of absolute equality and justice for all. It goes beyond Obama. It’s an idea of that which has long escaped those that thrive for justice and felt hat finally, their time has come. A movement to right the wrongs of decades of abuse and neglect that led to things like Katrina and the desperate condition of minorities (especially blacks) in this country; the staggering rate of high school dropouts, HIV infection, incarceration, homelessness, and poverty. For this crowd, this injustice has only been crystallized by the disastrous policies of Bush and the damage he has done to our image abroad. But the irony is that Bush has opened an opportunity for this yearning to be emboldened. Without Bush, there would have been no Obama. Bush happens to be the antithesis of Obama. The opposite of the ideals he represents. So here is the new coalition: The college educated white liberals (who are the true engine and spirit that drives this campaign), the young (who are the force and purity of it), and blacks (who represent the cause). This coalition is determined to challenge the status quo. This movement has become so strong they are about to bring the mighty Clintons (who the Republicans never figured out a way to beat) to their knees. I travel often and I can tell you that for the first time in my lifetime, people HATE this country. A decade ago we were loved, worshiped, looked up to. Now we are scum. The Obama crowd wants to reclaim the dream of America, and although they do not verbalize their grievances with the same words that Wright used, they feel the same frustration and blame not white America, but the far Right America.

Babysister (I love writing that)
Jamal (obama surrogate) and others who talk about the states broke the dem rules and should be punished fail to see the larger rule of all voters having their say. Now I do not know exactly how they are going to solve the fl, and michigan problem-but I know it must be solved-and we cannot go forward
without letting the voters from fl and michigan have their vote.
because if we do not-under the guise of punishing them now
they will help punish us in nov.

A message for the Super Delegates. The republicans will have a hay day with all the shady characters Obama associates with as well as all the lies he has spewed to the people. Obama uses the same speaking tactics as the great con artists of history Stalin, Mussolini, and Hitler. Obama’s friends and Super Delegates who have been charged with committing election finance crimes, Rezco, Gov Villa, Robert Feldman, his terrorist friends Ayers and Dorn and their supporters, his Islamic extremist friends Farakhan, Khalidi and Wright who are racist and hate America. These are just a few of Obama’s associates who are going to cause him a lot of trouble in the general election. These friends of Obama use the same types of negative emotional stories, lies, heal with great feel good stories and inspirational words cause people to believe the lies told to them as absolute truth. This is the same technique Obama uses in his speeches and ads: cause negative emotions with stories, lie and finally heal with powerful feel good inspirational words, quotes and stories. The result is the lie or lies are accepted as absolute truth. Birds of a feather flock together. The book, The Secret endorsed By Oprah. Says that like attracts like. This is the Law of Attraction. Gov. Vila of a Super Delegate and Robert Feldman of Philly PA have been arrested and charged with over 20 counts of election finance crimes. Feldman has been charged with illegally bundling donations for Vila who is a Super Delegate that supports Obama. Feldman has also bundled donations and raised money for US Senator Bob Casey a Supper Delegate who supports Obama. Gov. Vila went to Harvard Law School the same time as Obama. Both Obama and Villa are the same age. Birds of a feather flock together. Like attracts like. Another friend of Obama’s is Rezco also charged with election finance crimes. A pattern is developing here. Obama’s has friends who are racists, Marxists, terrorists, who hate America, who lie, who are Islamic extremists. Obama accepts votes and financial support from these friends, major corporations and industries. Again birds of a feather flock together. It is clear Obama is not morally or ethically worthy to be the Democratic Nominee for President of the United States of America. Plus Obama has lied so much, lacks the experience and know how to make real positive change that will be effective for all Americans. Vote for Hillary.

Hillarys state of New York would have crucified her if she didn’t agree to go to war. Elected by the people for the people. New York must have agreed with her decision to go to war, she won the primary there. Also, Obama is a coward, spinless weasel. He would have voted for the war if he had to vote. He has done just about everything the way the party goes. Its always a win win to say no to war without having to do it. Plus he has voted for it with everything associated with the war since being on the senate floor. If he had a spine he would have voted no to everything on the war.

For those who keep bringing up Clinton’s Bosnia embellishment, have you bothered to read a few of Senator Obama’s embellishments? I particularly love the one where he said his parents met at the Selma march and he was born after that, but his parents actually met and he was born way before that. There is also the Kennedy story, the professor story, the Rezko story, and who knows how many more. All politicians embellish, change, or deny facts and stories, that in itself is not going to keep me from voting for or against anyone. However, failure to convince me that you had a valid reason for sitting through sermons like Rev. Wright’s, and condone by staying, WILL stop me from voting. Say it doesn’t matter all you want, but to most hardworking Americans who do take patriotism seriously, it does matter what kind of people you associate with for 20 years if you are running for President of the United States. We are used to corruption and shady dealings in Illinois politics, but would like to stay away from that in picking a President. What irritates me even more is the hypocrisy; if McCain or Clinton had sat in a Methodist Church for 20 years and listened to the exact same type of thing, do you honestly think they would be getting off simply by giving one speech? And this IS NOT the same thing as the ramblings of Robertson and Falwell. Presidential candidates did not sit in their churches and listen to their insanity for 20 years. It’s the double standards and sense of entitlement that Obama’s campaign keeps throwing out that is really turning a lot of people off. That, plus the fact that the Democratic party just isn’t what it used to be, is why many absolutely will not ever vote for Obama, even if Sen. Clinton urges her supporters to do so. Also, contrary to what he said at the beginning of his campaign, he has indeed run the same kind of divisive campaign he has accused “the same ole Washington politicians” of over and over. I can forgive people their mistakes, but hyprocisy and underhanded and deliberately false tactics as have been used against the Clintons I do not find appealing in a Presidential candidate.

Jgaw,
You got that right. The Obama zombies are perfectly happy to use pointy fingers and scream “they broke the rules, they broke the rules, make them pay!”. The zombies fail to realize that those same Democrats are going to remember how they were treated come November, except if Hillary is the nominee, because she is the only one to stand up for their participation.
Bottom line: Obama made himself unelectable by appointing Wright, by disenfranchising two major states, and by a display of pathetic bowling skills (ok I admit I threw that last one in because its April 1st).

The republican base has just not been mobilized because they figured dem primaries is not their battle to fight. But come GE, Wright’s words and Obama’s affilliation with him will come back and it will galvanize the conservatives and right-leaning independents. Add to that the disenfranchised and marginzalized democrats who will also be supporting anybody but Obama. Record turn out can be credited to Obama alright – all the anti-Obamas will come out to vote against him.

Where were all the people currently worrying about FL and MI voting rights ~16 months ago when all the parties concerned decided they would be punished for moving their primaries? It wasn’t until Hillary fell way behind that we starting hearing about those poor souls whose votes won’t count. My father-in-law and daughter are among them and I dispise what their states did to them but changing the rules in the middle of the game is equally unjust and would send the wrong message in the future. This whole issue solidifies the fact that HRC is nothing more than a self-centered politician and a poor loser at that.

Is this the same Harold Ickes that strip fla. and Mich. delegates?
Superdelegates that support Hillary? Of course they say that they want to under mine Barack

Kevin,
Barack Obama quelled concerns with the Kos Mafia about his affiliation with Wright. However, the center of the party, those “typical white people” have plenty of concerns and his speech did not quell their questions, only increased them. Check out the writing of Mort Zuckerman, March 28th, in the U.S. News and World Report on the double standard presented by the Obama speech.
This story is still in a drip mode and it will continue to trickle out to voters going forward.
Why did ABC News present the scrubbing of the TUCC site in its coverage this week if the story is dead? It ain’t dead by a long shot and the corrosive effects are still in play. Obama shot himself in the foot on this one. He’s unelectable.

NH Lou,
So are you one of those rocket scientists that say we should not resolve the Florida and Michigan issue, so that we successfully cut off the nose of the Democratic party to punish its face?

I am suprised that some of the black community isn’t calling Obama an uncle tom after denouncing his pastor. Isn’t that usually the next thing we will hear from them? No, they are hoping and praying for a black man to be president, then they will call him an uncle tom when he sells out to kennedy and kerry and all those old white folk. trust me Obama owns them something.

gretchen: I am still wating for Obama to explain the lie he told about his racial awakening. You know the story that when he was 9yrs old that he read a article in Life magizine about a little black boy who had disfigured himself with chemical in order to lighten his skin! Great story but the only problem it was a lie!
The fact that he said that he never talked to Rezko about the house he purchased then said that yes he did talk to him and that he took him on tour of it.
That his parents meet at the Selma march. In fact he was born 4yrs before Selma.
That the Kennedys helped his father come to america. In fact as reported in the Washington Post this past weekend the Kennedy’s had nothing to do with his father coming to america.
So like Ricky Ricardo Says “he’s got some splain to do”!

Since Hillary dropped the word ‘un-American’ to characterize an Obama point of view during this campaign, this is MY favorite Hillary Clinton quote:
“I am a fan of the social policies that you find in Europe.”

If what came out of minister Wright’s mouth would make any body vote for a warmonger like McCain deserves to be drafted in his army to fight Iraq and Iran. These people definitly deserves the consequences of voting for Bush a third time. Fool me once shame on me ,fool me twice shame on me,fool me a third your the fool!

leslie: That’s what John Kerry said! Don’t worry about those swiftboat ads the american people will never buy it! Look who is still Senator and not president! So I would not discount the Wright issue!

Tomdavie, either your math or your reasoning, or both, are way off. Obama has won twice as many states and at this point has an almost insurmountable lead. The onus is not on Obama to win more states. The onus on Obama is to prevent Clinton from racking up the margins that she needs to beat him. If she wins Pennsylvania by 10 points and he wins NC by ten points that washes out her victory. If she wins Indiana (and this is a big “if” since he is currently leading her there by double digits) by say 3 points and he wins Oregon, but she wins the remaining states and caucuses (again, very big ifs) narrowly, she will still be trailing him by more than 100 delegates, trailing him in the popular vote, and trailing him by more than a 10-state deficit. So what then is her argument? That the Superdelegates abandon the states that voted earlier and make her the nominee? That will NEVER happen. If it does, the Democratic Party loses it’s most loyal BASE…blacks. Not to emotion the long-term damage it would do to the young voters that are in-love with Obama. But of course, Clinton has a chance. All she needs to do is do what Obama did in February. Win every remaining state by 30 points and she WINS. That’s her onus. Obama is protecting a lead. She needs to shut up, campaign, and if she cannot catch him, drop out. Simple math if you ask me. Also, if he wins both NC and Indiana

Len,
You said it! and you are right!

Len, i’m sorry, but you don’t make an iota of sense to me. Improve your writing and maybe you might begin to make a little sense.

Whos is behind Obama besides the black community? The Mobb?
He came from nowhere so fast, he has nothing to offer besides his speeches.
If Obama becomes President, we can kiss our butt’s goodbye.

My last thought for tonight is this:
Obama Supporters-Obama cannot win in nov. besides all of his neg that we know about, and I promise you the Marxist views of his mother that he learned in their household will come to light in nov. right now with all of the facts that are glaring and suprising you in the face you still think he will have a chance against mccain in the fall without the help of the fl and mich. dems (because they needed to be punished for breaking the rules)
You will not have the vote of the Hillary supporters-because the media is supporting obama now-and his supporters who blog-cannot have a decent discussion about the issues-(because he is not as smart as hillary on the issues) so all you can do is rant the bile such as wittgenstein-which has nothing to do with the future and what will happen to help us. so you alienate the other half of the dem party.
Can you do the math-He has no chance of winning in nov.
He will have to leave wrights church-he WILL THEN LOSE the black vote he has.
we will see this young man become old and worn out soon-because the rep. are going to wear him out.
and the rep. will not care if al, and jesse, and wright and any other elites along with kennedy, kerry, and the media he has in his pocket start calling foul-and calling them racist.and marching and boycotting and anything else they will come up with.
obama will not win in the general election against mccain.
old battle worn/already flawed/has taken the on the right before hillary can stand the heat they will bring on.
the media repeating the bosnia story over and over will soon get old and will die-it is light compared to
the rev wright story-which what you have seen now is just the tip of the iceberg-there is a lot more to the wright story-than there is to the bosnia story.
take my advice-if we want to have 1/2 chance of winning in nov.
better go with the bosnia story
than the stay tuned story of rev. wright, marxist mother obama story.
the bosnia story is a safer story.
before this is all over the rev. wright marxist story will have all of his supports mouths dropped, and head in hand at how could we have been so blind.
save the white house for the dems
save yourselves
help stop the war
save your guy obama
put hillary out there to stand up against the rep.
go to fox right now and listen

Kevin,
So it is your contention that it is more important to win states than it is to win the popular vote? I’ll give you the lead in the current popular vote, but please take a look at Michael Barone’s article on U.S. News and World Report that has an easy to follow projection that shows that Hillary will ultimately prevail in the popular vote (not counting Florida and Michigan, mind you), which will remove one of Obama’s foundation arguments. Ultimately, Hillary will end up with a lead of about 350,000 popular votes.
So if I take your argument that states are more important than the national count, I can then argue that it is more critical to win counties than states. In fact, Hillary has won about 10 times more counties than Obama has. So geography wise she has penetrated much more of the nation than he has.
That makes about as much sense as arguing that caucuses are the way to go. There will be no caucus come November.

No one will have enough pledged delegates before convention…
Key is SD…
Currently dems has been divided into half between those two candidates…So either side should have convincing arguement to show he/she is the best qualified one…
Both sides have hold strong arguements favoring themselves…
The question is who or which will be convinced…
The dems race is very dramatic.. it could change any time and no one has the answer…

Drip…drip….drip…..
Rev. Wright’s building a $1.6 million dollar home in a gated, predominately white development. Built using funds from Trinity Church. All tax-free too.
As West Coast Messenger says, the story on Rev. Wright, is in drip mode and the super delegates are watching and listening carefully.

With Anderson Cooper & his entire ‘AC360′ Hour, as well as the whole of MSNBC and CBS News squarely on his side again, Barack Obama should have no trouble from here on out. All these news ‘professionals’ have done a very effective job of diffusing the Jeremiah Wright controversy, while making their best effort to turn Hillary Clinton’s embellished war story into a “critical issue of character”. Because we all know that Obama has never been untruthful about anyting relevant to his qualifications to be president. With this kind of support from the major media, OBAMA is the one who should be the favorite in every one of the remaining 10 contests!

Kevin,
You are trying to sell us some bogus disinformation today and I ain’t buying it. If you had not used this line “a movement spurred by the audacity to reclaim a dream of absolute equality and justice for all” which shows that you have been drinking some big does of the ooolaid, that whole audacity line of garbage, then I might buy it. You’ve shown your allegiances with all your claims. I’ve encountered enough of you Kos Zombies to recognize one when I hear you.
I think you were even willing to lie about having voted for Hillary in Florida just to try to position your arguments a little better, trying to prove you are an open-minded left-leaning independent. Let me help you out, you are just like the rest of the MoveOnOrgies that are trying to stomp on the working class Democrats with your arrogance and elitism, supported by crass, low-class put-downs. The nerve of you to tell me that I’m prone to hyperboles.
Let me simplify it for you once again. B-a-r-a-c-k
O-b-a-m-a
i-s
n-o-t
e-l-e-c-t-a-b-l-e!

What is the difference Obama can make when he is president of US:
1. Can he make a better US economy? Unknown, he is just listening to his advisors;
2. Can he make a good stand on national security and foriegn policies? Unknown, he has to listen to his advisors
3. Can he make bipartisanship? Unknown, depending what he can give Rep – it is the game of give and take.
So what else can he do? Again listening to his advisors and read for public…

Didn’t Clinton deny a week or so ago that her campaign officials were discussing Wright with the supers? Ickes says “it comes up.” Gee, I wonder who brings it up.

From Hillary’s County Every Vote Act: “all Americans should be sure their votes are counted” (found on her web site). To, “Even elected and caucus delegates are not required to stay with whomever they are pledged to” (Clinton said in a Newsweek interview, see 3-24-08 issue).

Cindy,
I think there are a lot of delegates in Utah, Alaska, Wyoming and Wisconsin who have Obama voter’s remorse.

we Hillary supporters still have our votes in the general election. Guess who will not be getting them?
Say hello President Mccain!

Kevin,
Obama’s popular vote lead is even bigger than the 700,000, it’s about 814,000. Four states in the primary didn’t announce the totals, but realclearpolitics made the estimate for these states.
No way Hillary will catch up.

LeeLee07 makes a terrific point! And I am sure Lou Dobbs top of the show topic resonated with a whole bunch of folks.
Is it any wonder that LeeLee07 (comments below) is immediately attacked with such vehemence??
Just goes to show how true it rings! Thanks!

Al go ahead vote for McCain. Then give it a rest

Greg,
No matter what names you call Lou Dobbs, the key point that so many Obama supporters fail to acknowledge is that millions of moderate Democrats are very uncomfortable with Obama.
You can put whatever nasty label on it that you wish, but these quiet Americans won’t scream and holler if Obama is the Democratic nominee, they’ll just vote for someone else in November.
It won’t be because of bitterness, or alleged divisiveness. It will be because no matter how strongly Obama denounces hate-filled rhetoric, the fact that he never took a stand until he had to shows a true lack of leadership and a profound miscalculation that citizens would understand and separate Obama from his mentor, his preacher, his spiritual advisor and member of his campaign up until recently.

Obama and his cult have alienated lots of us dems. If he is the nom, he will find out the price of arrogance in the general election.
Say hello President McCain!
I hope the young Obama fans enjoy their draft! Me: too old to be drafted. Oh, that’s right, anyone over 50 is not needed anymore in the dem party. That is why we will leave.

Petra, unfortunately they could care less if more people die in Iraq.

Petra and fellow Obama followers:
There is a good chance you will be able to give reports from the front lines in Iraq on what your fanatic Obama support has engendered. Good, you SHOULD serve your country.
You want a divisive inexperienced hater as president? Well you have to pay the price. Droves of us will vote McCain and no doubt leave the party.
Look at the history of dem losers. Enough is enough. Have fun with your little ultra leftie adventure. You will get exactly what you are asking for.

al: “I and MILLIONS like me will have no problem looking in the mirror. It is you Obama fanatics that will have to answer for 4 more republican years.
Have fun!”
I lost my only and dearest brother Mark in this war, you horrible man. Mark was 21 years old when he died in 2006 from a road side bomb.
Go to hell with your hate talk.

Petra,
I have news for you. You can’t force people to vote for Obama. Ok? Try to realize that. Millions of us Dems will not vote for him. We will vote McCain. Try to take responsibility for your own actions and stop trying to force others to vote your way, when they are not interested. Maybe now you are thinking about what the results of your fanatic Obama obsession REALLY will be! Good!

Al how can you blame a McCain win on Obama supporters. They are voting their party, apparently you won’t. So don’t point fingers where they don’t belong

LeeLee,
Exactly. But Obama and his followers cannot take responsibility for their own actions. This is why we need a new party.

Wright will be a big issue in the general so why shouldn’t the Clinton people discuss it with the superdelegates???

Guys we should listen to John Kerry! Hillary should drop out and Obama should be the nominee, and eventually the President!
Kerry knows exactly how to win against the Republicans!
He beat Bush back in ’04!!!
Oh….wait….he lost didn’t he?
You should be ashamed if Democrats, independents, and the world loved you and you couldn’t beat Bush in the general!
SHAME ON YOU JOHN KERRY!

The older dems can leave the party and vote for McCain. Who cares. The energized younger voters will make up the difference.

I agree with Eric.
We have become far too politically correct to the point that no one is talking about the elephant in the room.
Rev. Wright has literally packaged up ammo for the Republicans in the form of a CD collection of his sermons for sale!!
Now we see that the church is building a beautiful home for him in a gated suburb of Chicago with Trinity picking up the 1.6 million dollar mortgage.
The Democratic establishment is embarrassed beyond belief because the “elders” thought they could slide Obama past the electorate who is sick of Bush.
No matter what kind of damage control might work in the Democratic nomination process, it just won’t in the General. For any Democratic delegate, pledged or otherwise not to grasp this is just idealism gone terribly wrong.
I don’t want either Democratic candidate to make history, I just want them to work like crazy to restore our economy, our standing in the world and to sensibly scale back and eventually depart from Iraq.
I don’t think Obama or his campaign has the mettle for a knock down drag out against the Republicans. And no one will care about being politically correct or feel sorry for the surrogates who will cry foul at every turn.
The MSM will also be singing a much different tune, and the Obama campaign will be inexperienced positioning themselves when they are behind in the polls.

@ AL
I’m a young voter (19) and I plan to vote…… FOR HILLARY!

al, you write
” I am sickened that I have spent my life with this party, and for what? To be kicked in the face.”
Kicked in the face by whom or what? By the fact that Hillary is losing this race? By FA and MI messing up their own primaries? By Howard Dean who in the end only says that the clear front runner must be the nominee after the last primary?
I’m serious. You’re SO angry, but why exactly? I suppose you can’t hate Obama simply for being in this race, can you?
You blame everything and everyone and cry foul and spew hate, simply because things aren’t developing in a way you had hoped they would?
Isn’t that a bit… childish? And proof of a lack of realism? Americans voted for Clinton and Obama: 814,000 more for Obama. Who is to blame? And WHY blame anyone for such a historical fact?
You might indeed need some introspection. And don’t yell etc. against people who don’t yell at you.

Al Gore actually won but it was stolen from him

Sorry but the youth have not been coming out check out the exit polls there are more people age40-60 coming out alot of new women voting across the board

To say Obama has the youth vote is absurd, it is fifty! I am 19 and I support Hillary, and I’m not some anomaly!

Youth vote. Look at the size of the generations. Baby boomer generation dwarfs all other generations. Boomers vote. And yes, youth is disillusioned easily. Especially when they figure out that they have been had. Most youth will not support the idea of Obama spending 20 years in that hateful “church” and then pleading he never heard a bad word. Most youth will wise up.

Lauren,
Yeah, but…
I would refer you to Paul Krugman’s op-ed in the NYTimes of February 11, 2008, “Hate Springs Eternal”. Keeping in mind that Paul Krugman is a highly respected economist who writes thoughtful reasoned essays, unlike some others opinion writers at the Times.
To quote, he writes, “Why is there so much venom out there? I won’t try for fake evenhandedness here: most of the venom I see is coming from supporters of Mr. Obama, who want their candidate or nobody.”
Something tells me you’re going to disagree with Mr. Krugman. But, AL’s comments in this blog notwithstanding, I have to tell you everywhere I go in the blogosphere I find Mr. Krugman’s assertion to be true most of the time.
It may appear differently in this string of comments here, granted. Most of the time, however, I would say that Mr. Krugman is right on this point.

“Al Gore actually won but it was stolen from him”
He won the popular vote, but the election wasn’t stolen from him. It was his to lose. Had he carried his own state of Tennessee, the election would have had a different outcome.
The general election is about electoral votes and he didn’t get the majority of those. Nothing was stolen.

@ thinking
“This I am a fighter message can only last so long. She is begining to sound like a broken record.”
The pot calling the kettle black, anyone?
Obama’s scandals will make him a dud in the general election!
McCain said today, “Obama has no experience and knows nothing about National Experience.”
Yes, listen to McCain! He knows he can convince Americans to support him by pointing out Obama’s flaws and he doesn’t even have to touch Obama’s lies and/or scandals!

bernd,
I have never seen so much division in my life. Obama is no unifier. All that about your kids is great, but they are being snowed. I hope your kids are not of draft age. When McCain wins, depending on the situation, there may be one!

@ thinking
Where is the twenty year relationship with those Pastors and McCain?
Where is the proof McCain didn’t JUST use them for an endorsement?
Has he called them their “crazy uncle”/ thrown his grandma under the bus for them/ called them his spiritual advisers?

McCain is going beat Obama like Bush beat {uber popular} Kerry back in ’04!
and face it, McCain is NO Bush.

Howard Dean, who is in the tank for Obama, and the REPUBLICAN Legislators voted for the vote not to count.
If their isn’t going be a REVOTE, the original vote should stand.
People have given Obama options and his cocky attitude has rejected all of them without proposing a solution.
All that is going happen by ignoring those two states IS MILLIONS OF PEOPLE ARE GOING BE ANGRY THAT THIS ELECTION SEEMED MORE THAN RIGGED.

Wait till they find out just what he thinks about hand guns and many other issues if we ever get to see where he stands and wait till they hear he does not want his daughter punished with a baby or an std what is that all about. I can’t wait until they show his pastor friend who want all gays killed. why didn’t he pick someone like TD JAKES

Oops, typo. Hillary’s Count Every Vote Act (not County). Sherr, I can only speak for Utah that there is not Obama voter’s remorse and I am a delegate.

you think a sixteen and an eighteen year are old enough to knw all about what the whole United State needs your kids must have what they want

Bishop I have no idea how old you are but what these kids learn today is nothing what I learned. They have advanced placement in courses such as political science. In class they have debates about the canidates. You have no idea how much they know about politics these days. Every year Harvard invites numerous uninversities to a political debate. These kids are not the kids of the past where they know nothing.

Let’s see..Obama has the Wright issue to deal with while Clinton has the sniper incident, Bill’s issues, her selling out of Bosnia, her failed health care plan, travel gate, condemning jews, too many lies to count but one of the best was lying about where her daughter was during 9/11…really LOL….so I guess we get to see if some of those supers Harold is threatening have any brains at all. Talk about unelectable…LOL Really….I am surprised anyone can even say that with a straight face..really LOL

Someone posted about “taking to the streets of Denver” if FL and MI are not counted……It’s over. You need to understand how that happened. Who is really at fault. It most certainly was Clinton and Obama who agreed that if you guys broke the rules you would not count. Using the empirical “you” because you guys elected the people who decided that they (you) could go against the DNC and lose your delegates.
To even attempt to make a thinking person “think” either race was “fair” and should be counted at this date is just not going to happen. It was not fair and the DNC will not, nor will any of the committees, allow Clinton to accept those votes as a true indication of a vote in either state.
So I guess you can plan to “take to the streets” but it will not change the outcome if it even makes it that far…but your, and others like you, threatening to do so? Will only encourage the DNC to hasten the super delegates to decide BEFORE Denver.

Dear SuperDelegates,
As Hillary Clinton came under increasing scrutiny for her story about facing sniper fire in Bosnia, one question that arose was whether she has engaged in a pattern of lying.
The now-retired general counsel and chief of staff of the House Judiciary Committee, who supervised Hillary when she worked on the Watergate investigation, says Hillary’s history of lies and unethical behavior goes back farther – and goes much deeper – than anyone realizes.
Jerry Zeifman, a lifelong Democrat, supervised the work of 27-year-old Hillary Rodham on the committee. Hillary got a job working on the investigation at the behest of her former law professor, Burke Marshall, who was also Sen. Ted Kennedy’s chief counsel in the Chappaquiddick affair. When the investigation was over, Zeifman fired Hillary from the committee staff and refused to give her a letter of recommendation – one of only three people who earned that dubious distinction in Zeifman’s 17-year career.
Why?
“Because she was a liar,” Zeifman said in an interview last week. “She was an unethical, dishonest lawyer. She conspired to violate the Constitution, the rules of the House, the rules of the committee and the rules of confidentiality.”
yours,
mencken

Count, take it up with the DNC and stop being annoying with the caps

Since Bill Clinton used him in his hour of need he would at least know his way around the White House LOL

Anyone who thinks a vote in FL or MI should stand is actually disenfranchising the rest of the country. We followed the rules and candidates won fair and square and now you want US to accept a faulty election? AFTER your states broke the rules to boot? Really? Really? Not in this life time.

Here’s a (large) part of an interview with Eleanor Roosevelt on Hillary Clinton:
JZ: Can you give specific examples of her lack of ethics?
ER: Yes, a large number of them are described in the book Hillary’s
Pursuit of Power. As the book documents, most of the allegations of her misconduct were not the concoctions of what she defensively characterized as a “vast right wing conspiracy.” Instead her scandals were first exposed by Democrats. For example, in 1992 when
Hillary and Bill Clinton were campaigning for their “two for the price of one” presidency, their fraudulent “Whitewater” transactions were first exposed in the pro-Democratic New York Times by Jeff Gerth an investigative
journalist.
Early in their first term Hillary headed the “Presidential Task Force on Health
Care Reform” that the General Accounting office found cost the government
$13.4 million dollars. It also cost the government $434,000.00 for legal fees in
defending challenges to the secrecy of its proceedings. Since the task force
operated in violation of federal “Sunshine Laws” Mrs. Clinton and others were fined $285, 864.00. The final plan was 1,324 pages long and was
summarily rejected without debate by the Democratic controlled Congress.
When she unveiled her plan Democratic Senator Pat Moynihan the then
chairman of the Senate subcommittee that had jurisdiction over it, was
adamantly opposed to it. Because her plan allowed the insurance carriers to
manage the practice of medicine and denied patients freedom to choose
their doctors — he was unwilling even to hold hearings on it. Similarly liberal Democratic Congressman Pete Stark of San Francisco, chairman of the
House Subcommittee on Health Insurance. also refused to hold hearings on
what the media called “Hillarycare.”
Of all the criticism of Mrs. Clinton’s White House role one of the most
incisive was by New York Times editor Abe Rosenthal — who over his entire
career had been a bulwark of support for liberal Democratic causes. He
wrote that:
In concept, the First Ladyship… evades anti-nepotism statutes and avoids
the responsibility that should go with authority…the First Ladyship has
become a government center. In lieu of salary it provides the jobholder with
staff, luxury, and that most important of all perks — power.
On March 4, 1994 an editorial appeared in the pro-Democrat New York Times
entitled “White House Ethics Meltdown,” stating that after the apparent
suicide of Vincent Foster, the deputy counsel:
Chief White House Counsel Bernard Nussbaum interfered with the
investigation by the National Park Service and transferred secret files to Mr.Clinton’s private lawyer. All this paints a picture of a White House dedicated to short-cutting justice if that is what it takes to shield the financial affairs of Mr. Clinton and his wife from scrutiny.
President Clinton then requested Nussbaum’s resignation. Eventually, more than 30 other top officials of the Clinton administration were investigated,indicted, convicted or forced to resign. Three associates of Hillary and Bill Clinton pleaded the 5th amendment privilege against self incrimination — and others fled the country.
During their 1996 campaign Hillary Clinton, and her White House staff were
used receive campaign money illegally. Her office was frequently visited by
Johnny Chung, a Chinese-American entrepreneur who had known the
Clintons in Arkansas. Chung made a total of $366,000 illegal contributions to
the 1996 Clinton campaign.
On August 22, 1997 in an editorial entitled The White House Turn Stile the
New York Times commented on still other activities that Chung had
disclosed to Tom Brokaw of NBC News:
Mr. Chung said he gave $50,000 to a Hillary Clinton to help pay for a
Christmas reception in the executive mansion. Hillary Rodham Clinton said
she had no recollection of such a meeting.
Finally, before departing the Clintons took moving vans filled with
government property from the White House, including china, antiques, and
other furnishings. Also more than 140 last minute pardons were granted that
were highly questionable. As result the Clinton offended the sensibilities of
some fellow Democrats who finally spoke out.
Al Hunt of the Wall Street Journal — and previously Bill Clinton’s staunchest
defender on NBC’s Capital Gang — said on February 24, 2001: “They leave
a stain that is bigger than anything in impeachment…I think the damage is
severe. I think it is lasting. It’s on Bill Clinton’s legacy. It’s on Hillary
Clinton, and it may well be on the Democratic Party.”
Jimmy Breslin, New York’s liberal Democratic columnist, had known Hillary
since 1974 when she worked on the Nixon impeachment. On January 31,
2001 he wrote in Newsday: “Bill Clinton was taking arm chairs and coffee
tables as he left the White House…Every time Hillary Clinton passes a bank
the alarm goes off. Her name now and forever more is Senator Shoplift.”
Paul Goldman of the Democratic National Committee published an article in
the Wall Street Journal of February 15, 2001 titled Democrats Must Censure
Clinton, stating “Clinton didn’t just take the White House China, he took its
soul and flushed it down the toilet.”
The eleventh hour pardons were granted in violation of guidelines that had
been in place for decades in the office of the Justice Department and
followed by all past Presidents. One of the last minute pardons involved
Hillary in particular. In 1999 six of the leaders of a Hassidic group in
Rockland County New York had been convicted in for swindling $40 million
in federal funds in the form of fictitious Pell Grants. In her campaign for the
Senate had visited the group and promised to help their leaders.
Two other pardons were granted to Edward and Jo Gregory over the
strenuous objections of the Justice Department. They had been convicted of
bank fraud in 1982. The pardons came in March 2000 during Hillary’s hotly
contested Senate Campaign – to which the Gregory’s made contributions.
The guidelines were also ignored to grant pardons to several felons who had
paid Hillary’s brother Hugh Rodham fees of $4,000 for representing them.
The most notorious pardon was of Marc Rich, a multi-national financier who
was on the FBI’s most wanted list. Rich had ties to Castro in Cuba and
Gaddafi in Libya, had abandoned his American citizen, and fled to
Switzerland to escape arrest here. Rich and his wife Denise then had an
amicable divorce and she began to represent him in the United States.
As was reported in Time Magazine on February 13, 2001: “Marc Rich’s
socialite ex-wife has donated an estimated $1 million to Democratic causes,
including $70,000 to Hillary Clinton’s successful Senate campaign and
$450,000 to the Clinton presidential library fund. She also lobbied heavily for
Marc’s pardon.”
Some of the Clintons’ strongest prior Democratic supporters denounced
the Rich pardon. For example, liberal Massachusetts Congressman Barney
Frank said: “It was a terrible thing he did…It was just abusive. These are
people who forgot where the line was between public service and what was
personally convenient for them.” Democratic Senator Joe Biden of
Delaware said “I think the President had an incredible lapse of memory or
was brain dead.”
One of the most forceful criticisms of the Clintons was by President Carter’s
former Chief of Staff, Hamilton Jordan. On February 21, 2001 Jordon
published an article in the Wall Street Journal titled The First Grifters, stating
that in describing the Clintons:
A word comes to mind: grifters — a term used in the Great Depression to
describe fast-talking con artists who roamed the countryside, profiting at the
expense of the poor and the uneducated, always one step ahead of the law,
moving on before they were held accountable for their schemes and half-
truths.

deanne,
do you think obama can win the white house from mccain without the votes of the dem in fl and mich and the supporters of Hillary?

Deanna,
That would be none other than “WestCoastMessenger”. And he is correct. We will take to the streets. Maybe even before Denver if needed.
Why?
Because we know a shame when we see one. And we will not let OUR DEMOCRATIC party be taken over by a gang of left wing, bleeding heart, birckenstock wearing, latte drinking, muddle minded, fanatical, ill mannered, reality blinded, group of miss informed, highly educated IDIOTS.

SadStateOfAffairs – Ickes, the new mouthpiece for Clinton voted against Florida and Michigan to get their delegates seated…think about that one. Obama followed the rules and now your saying let them count? how fair is it that a cheater wins…she should not have campained there and should have pulled her name from the ballot…I bet the counts would have voted had SHE followed the rules.

It was a faulty election and would disenfranchise the rest of the country if those votes are allowed to count. If you want to get into a war? I would imagine, based on polls, that the rest of the country would out number the small amount of people who would actually take to the streets from MI and FL because many of them? Understand who cost them their votes. Many of you are simply using this as a political ploy to slam Obama when the majority knows whose fault it really is….and none of you can explain away Hillary voting to disenfranchise FL and MI along with Obama and Harold the Ick.

I see the Obama bologgers are in full force tonight.
Pity, it won’t work for the next 10.
Wanna Bowl????

Let’s assume for a moment that this nomination goes to the convention floor and Obama wins the nomination in a scenario that MI and FL aren’t seated (since they failed to a) hold second nominating contests or b) appeal to the DNC’s credentials committee to be seated).
How does an Obama nomination reconcile garnering MI and FL support in the general election and the potential feeling that MI and FL were disenfranchised during the primaries?
If the argument is that these swing states won’t matter in the general election, then these two issues don’t have to be reconciled, but if they are important, how does he win those states?

Poor Super-D’s. They are soooo confused. Geez, do I take the “American Idol” or “Rocky”? Oh my gosh. Do I want the pretty boy or the laser guided missle? Should I pick the good looking, charismatic, smooth talking, anti-american, anti-white, anti-semetic, anti-pregnancy, anti-american, pathological lair fellow?
Or, should I take the one who isn’t perfect, but knows how to talk to rouge nations, fix the economy, provide healthcare, restore integrity with our allies, and end a WAR.
Poor Super-D’s.

LOM – he can reconcile that byblameing the people that actually screwed it up – their elected representatives voted to move the dates knowing full well what would happen. You reconcile those votes by bringing up what Bush did in FL…please keep the governor out of it.. Michigan will be more difficult but can be done.

I think blaming the people who actually screwed it up is lacking forward-thinking and leadership. If that would truly help reconcile the potential rift, why isn’t Senator Obama trying to hold them accountable now.
I think if he truly wants to be viewed as legitimate come the general election with MI and FL, he should attempt to be more vocal and proactive NOW rather than playing catch-up in a GE contest.
Blaming people may point to the root cause of a problem, but it doesn’t begin to bring resolution to the real issues.

What good is it to see Hillary’s tax returns……are you kidding me. LOL She is shady to say the least.

Obamadefector – Can I borrow that crystal ball ’cause WOW!! it must be awesome to know what is going to happen…is that the same crystal ball that said mccain was out and hillary was a sure thing?

Jkan – To each their own. I think Mccains time should have happened 8 years ago to be honest with you. I agree he has served his country honorably….I can’t remember his name being brought on any money scandals like clinton or obama…but I bet there are skeletons in the closet….I love the idea that Rush, Hannity and Coulter don’t want him in…that alone is almost enough to get my vote over Obama but not quite

@Jkan | Apr 1, 2008 11:51:46 PM:
This should definitely be of some concern for folks. Granted, there has been one poll conducted (Gallup, March 26) which showed 28% of Clinton supporters voting for McCain if Obama is the nominee and 19% of Obama supporters voting for McCain if Clinton is the nominee.
This is a troubling statistic for whomever is the democratic nominee. For obvious and many reasons, the DNC is in a bit pickle if they don’t find a way to resolve the current division within their party.

pablo,
all three of these people are only human
there most certainly are skeleton in mccains closet the keating deal, who knows what went on between he and the wife he divorced after he got out of the prison camp. but the fact remains is they are the only three we have right now to chose from for president. so instead of wanting to see how much dirt and skeletons we can dig up on these people-the only way we can truly judge them is on the issues of today, and what they say they will do for us if they are elected.
no perfect human beings just public
servants all three wanting to be our president.-judge them on the issues-not the dirt.

Sorry for the typo’s in the last post.

SadStateofAffairs,
thanks, and so true.
A campaign forged the way his was cannot win
he and his handlers and all the people who are backing him-al, jesse, and co.
know it is true.
and no doubt when the tide turns they will all cry “foul”
but the fact of the matter is the more we learn about him-the more we know
it was “foul” from the very start.

deanna:
Eleanor Roosevelt died in 1962…..
she was a brilliant woman, but I didn’t realize she was a psychic.

Obama willing to meet with foreign dictators WITHOUT PRECONDITIONS.
Obama imposes several PRECONDITIONS for voters of MI and FL to revote.
Is this somebody who loves America? NO!!!
NOBAMA!!

If Hillary is bringing up Rev. Wright, Obama should bring up Bosnia, because I can see all sorts of ads showing her lying…..and “do we want a liar in the White House”? Obama can counter ads with Rev. Wright fairly effectively. He does not support this guy and he should make the country more aware of his good attributes (Now!) not just he 10 sec. soundbites. Hillary is a flawed candidate….and the Republicans still prefer to run against her to Obama.

Wright… Yes, we can…
Rezko… Yes, we can…
Farrakhan… Yes, we can…
“Tell me your friends are and I tell you who you are.”
OBAMA is a snake in suit…
Snakes are lethal be careful folks…

Yeah right…
BARACK has plenty…questionable friends or group of people…
Wright…
rezko…
farrakhan..
etc.
etc..

Clinton is leading John McCain in a GE in Florida, Ohio and Penn. WOW!
Obama……not looking too good.
Let’s see how the Super-D’s handle the “new will” of the people. There’s going to be a whole lot of hand wringing now. The more the Supers beat up Hillary, the better her ratings get.

It’s 7 months til the election and we’re looking at how people poll in Florida, Ohio, and Pennsylvania. Let’s go back 7 months to the polls. HILLARY IN A LANDSLIDE!!!! So much for polls.