The Bill Comes Due
Lots of talk about former President Bill Clinton these days.
Perhaps, as Bono once said, too much talk.
He is a force out there on the trail, as ABC News’ Sarah Amos reports.
And yet . . .
House Majority Whip Jim Clyburn, D-S.C., tells Fox News that “Many of the surrogates in the Clinton campaign of recent days have been saying things that have been angering African-American voters over again.
“I mean, who ‘played the race card’ on President Clinton?” Clyburn said, referring to comments made in an interview Clinton gave to WHYY-FM in Philadelphia and later denied making. “What does he mean by that unless he is trying to send some kind of signal on race?”
Clyburn, the highest-ranking African American in Congress, has remained neutral throughout this contest, but he has continually expressed concern about the tactics of the Clinton campaign.
“I am concerned … that the conduct of this campaign could very well make the nomination not worth having,” Clyburn told Fox. ““Our party is much bigger than Bill Clinton. It is much bigger than Sens. Clinton or Obama. It is a party that is here to serve the American people. … And I don’t want to see us conduct a campaign in such a way that it does irreparable harm to our being able to do that. When this campaign is over, if Hillary Clinton is the nominee, she cannot get elected president if 25 to 30 percent of black people vote for McCain. She is going to have … to have that same 92 percent of black people that Obama [has] now. And if [Obama] is the nominee, he is going to need her help and her husband’s help getting white voters that he is not now getting. And I don’t see how you can go back to these people and get them to vote for the nominee if you have done all these things and said all of these things about him during the campaign … because you are not going to be able to reverse field in the middle of general election.”
The Wall Street Journal’s Monica Langley today takes a look at what some “insiders” are calling the “Billification” of the campaign.
“Mr. Clinton has placed several of his own aides at headquarters, including his former lawyer and a bevy of strategists. Known as a bad loser, Mr. Clinton privately buttresses his wife’s drive to push on, telling her, according to aides: ‘We’re not quitters.’ On his own daily message calls, advisers say, he implores: ‘We’ve got to take him on every time.’ At the Clintons’ Washington, D.C., home recently, these people say, he reviewed possible TV spots and told ad makers to be more hard-hitting, faster and harsher.”
Langley says that Bill Clinton’s “role has come at a cost — to morale among some campaign staff, relations inside the Democratic Party and with African-American leaders, and in the view of some, his own legacy. He has lost considerable credibility with many party leaders, who, as ‘superdelegates’ to the party convention, will be crucial in determining who is the Democratic presidential nominee. … ‘Bill is blessed and cursed as a super-spouse,” says one adviser. ‘He can go off-message, but mostly he delivers big crowds and positive results. He’s fully invested and involved every single day.’”
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Mr. clyburn would be of better service if he would try to find out why so many black people who are Sen. Clinton’ supporters-being told to be silent.
and why he thinks it is o.k. for the black talk radio stations to say
vote for the brother no matter what.
mr. clyburn-What do you say about the black people who are being threatened for Supporting Sen. Clinton?
Mr. Clyburn-start an investigation to see if obama supporters have had a hand in the silencing of the black Sen. Clinton supporters?
Posted by: jgaw | April 26, 2008, 1:14 pm 1:14 pm
Why does Bill make more campaign stops than Hillary?
Hillary you need to show that you are strong enough to stand up for yourself.
Posted by: Juanita | April 26, 2008, 1:28 pm 1:28 pm
Everyone seems to miss the main point of why Hillary is losing. Over half the people polled believe Hillary Clinton is a LIAR/Untrustworthy. You cannot keep changing directions and messages as well as facts and still expect anyone to believe you. She did this to herself and although I feel sorry for her I gladly support a nominee who stands taller.
Posted by: butterfly3344 | April 26, 2008, 1:37 pm 1:37 pm
While Sen. Clyburn is allegedly “uncommitted” as a super delegate, his support for Obama has been obvious for months now. It is a political race, not a love in; Obama had not been vetted and Sen. Clyburn is experienced enough to know that is true. Sen. Clyburn often focuses on SC and Bill Clinton’s mention that Jesse Jackson also won there. Sen. Clyburn sees nothing wwong with castigating Bill Clinton for the statement. While it may have not been the most PC statement, the fact was significant, politically. That is why it was mentioned! Also, does anyone feel that it is a slap in the face to Jesse Jackson that the power elite of the black citizenry are offended that Obama would be compared to Jesse Jackson? Hello, Jesse Jackson was a valiant leader in the civil rights movement. People knew exactly who he was when he campaigned. While he was controversial, he was a man of great achievement.
Posted by: countallthevotes | April 26, 2008, 1:40 pm 1:40 pm
So, Jim Clyburn rambles about the race card, and well he should.
Clyburn’s own political track record shows that, over the course of his own political career, he has consistently played the same race card when such behavior suits his purpose–the same race card Clyburn credits to President Clinton.
Indeed, the race card is now the feature issue of the Obama campaign with the continued presence of the racist, hate-mongering, divisive, treason spewing Jeremiah Wright on national television.
While Wright continues to suggest his association with Obama is spiritual, not political, the political fallout continues to hemmorage any Obama efforts to court white, working class voters as evidenced in the most recent primary in Pennsylvania.
Whether you agree with the political/sprirtual assessment of the continuing Democratic battle or not, this much is certain:
The tone of the Democratic nomination process has been produced and fostered by fatally flawed rules created by the same flawed leadership.
Party rules and rulings that allow for the skewed misrepresentation by caucus-produced delegates and the disenfranchisement of millions of voters in Florida and Michigan have doomed the party’s chances in November regardless of the nominee.
While the Republicans may not have the superior candidate in the view of many voters, those same voters will not choose White House rule and leadership from a party that cannot rule and lead itself.
Posted by: Jayhawk | April 26, 2008, 1:40 pm 1:40 pm
Boy I better use that spell check next time.
Posted by: Frank H. | April 26, 2008, 1:43 pm 1:43 pm
jgaw,
Wonderful point! One would think that Sen. Clyburn would be infintely interested in the fact that black Clinton supporters have been harassed and even threatened for not supporting Obama. Sen. Clyburn is/was an ardent civil rights leader. He also stands idly by in the face of millions of disenfrancised voters in MI and FL. I assume he is in a very difficult position, given he represents South Carolina. In many ways he represents more than just SC though. He is a well respected civil rights leader so his voice carries beyond his jurisdicition. I am amazed though that he does not see the insult to Jesse Jackson, while he decries the comparison to Obama.
Posted by: countallthevotes | April 26, 2008, 1:47 pm 1:47 pm
The Obama team is going way overboard with the race card. Also I know it is very hard for Obama supporters to understand but many people STILL hold Bill Clinton in high esteem. It is amazing how people who voted for Bill Clinton twice have twisted his presidency into everything bad. Every-time the Clinton’s are attacked I get farther and farther away from ever being able to vote for Obama.
Posted by: Tina D | April 26, 2008, 1:47 pm 1:47 pm
Hillary could not be where she is now if it was not Bill and the recognition of the name Clinton.
Obama deserves a big credit because he is competing with two people who were established more than 2 decades ago and still he has emerged as a frontrunner.
The question should go to the Clintons: Why haven’t they been able to take Obama down??????
Posted by: Peace | April 26, 2008, 1:53 pm 1:53 pm
Everyone seems to miss the main point of why Obama is losing. Over half the people polled believe Barack Obama is a LIAR/Untrustworthy. You cannot keep changing directions and messages as well as facts and still expect anyone to believe you. He did this to himself and although I feel sorry for him I gladly support a nominee who stands taller.
Hillary 08!!
Posted by: helen | April 26, 2008, 1:59 pm 1:59 pm
Excellent information that I was not aware of from “countallthevotes.”
I would also add that the penalty placed on Florida Democrats was not the result of their decisions.
Rather, it was the Republican majority in Florida that decided when the primary vote would be held, not the Democrats.
A state (states) that produces significant electoral presence in November and could likely determine the outcome of the election is given to the Republicans by rules produced by the flawed leadership and governing rules of the Democratic Party.
The issue of the additional three states is one that needs to be confronted and investigated much, much further and without delay.
DNC…are you listening?
Posted by: Jayhawk | April 26, 2008, 2:07 pm 2:07 pm
Once again Rep. Clyburn proves he is not neutral and once again Jake you foster Clyburn’s phony arguments and continue to portray him as “neutral”. Clyburn is not, and never was, neutral….he supports Obama. He has hid behind his mask of “neutrality” since the South Carolina primary. The time has long passed due that you Jake and other members of the news media tell it like it is and unmask Clyburn. Clyburn is for Obama. The Obama camp has indeed played the race card against both Hillary and Bill Clinton. Obama and his campaign are forever implying that the Clintons are disrespectful of blacks. This flies in the face of history and is beyond ugly….it is surely the politics of division. Anyone paying attention should realize Obama is about just words and behaves like a politician. Even his mentor Rev. Wright says Obama is a politician. Obama’s idea of leading is follow me or you will be accused of racism. His actions speak louder than his words. Clyburn’s approach to the presidential campaign is, to put it mildly, Obama good, Clinton bad. He is neither a fair or honest arbiter…just an Obama supporter trying to make his case in favor of Obama’s nomination.
Posted by: J. | April 26, 2008, 2:26 pm 2:26 pm
African American leaders like Mr. Clyburn insinuating that voters will stay home or vote for the GOP, may put in jeopardy other Black candidates in the November ballots.
Mr. Jim Clyburn, and other leaders comments may be increasing the perception among all voters since the last debate that Barack Obama “cannot stand the heat”.
Posted by: Angel | April 26, 2008, 2:26 pm 2:26 pm
Clyburn is correct, and it’s not limited to black people.
Perhaps Clinton staffers will start a mass exodus, in protest of these Atwater-Rove techniques. Democratic voters are fed up with that junk, and we’re not going to vote for another eight years of them.
Posted by: Tom J | April 26, 2008, 2:40 pm 2:40 pm
How can reasonable people consider the possible co-presidency of Hillary and Bill Clinton after we’ve already had two terms of it? They wanted that third term and are using devious means to obtain it. It should not be allowed to happen.
Posted by: J Robinson | April 26, 2008, 2:55 pm 2:55 pm
This tactic was discussed last week in a blog on this website. It was how the obama camp was coming out more negative. So this clyburn is just a puppet for the campaign. He tossed all of his stature to bring these silly words out in public, now he look the fool.
Posted by: toby | April 26, 2008, 3:09 pm 3:09 pm
The Obama camp is playing the race card, as clearly shown by Mr Clyburns remarks, timed to try to distract people from Rev Wright.
This is all Obama has been doing since NH to try to gain votes.
It’s getting really tedious. Do people really want to spend the next 8 years being accused of racism every time they question the president or his “friends”.
Mr Obama is unqualified for the job. That has nothing to d with race.
Posted by: s.b. | April 26, 2008, 3:13 pm 3:13 pm
This goes both ways Mr. Clyburn… you stating the Bill and Hillary are race baiting makes it that much harder to unite the party after the nomination. It makes it harder if she were the nominee for the reasons you stated, but it also makes it tough for Clinton supporters to back a man and a campaign of supporters who distort what the Clintons have been saying by trying to insinuate they are using race to win. This notion seems out of line when they have always worked and supported the black community throughout their lives and times in public service. If you look to the polls, almost 50% of Clinton supporters say they will vote for Mccain or not vote. This is because of the damage the Obama side is doing by always calling racism when they are in hot water and by constantly attacking Clinton’s character.
Posted by: Andrea | April 26, 2008, 3:25 pm 3:25 pm
Once again the race card appears and it makes me angry that he makes Bill a racist when Bill has done more for the black community than he ever thought of doing.
But, as we are all beginning to see, its the only thing Obamas got to win the election. Because it sure is not about the issues we face as Americans. His “change” on the issues is the same message as Hillarys, but flawed with his
inability to elaborate on those differences. His “patriotism” is based on “street cred” in America, but yet he still has citizenship in Kenya and has yet to prove what difference he made in the past because his past is off limits due to the “race” card being used by his campaign. He has the most evil, fear mongering, campaign strategist in David Axelrod, who is affliiated with the worst kind of people in Chicago and will go to any means to get him elected, no matter who he steps on, including a former President of the United States who actually did much good for our country.
But, I feel everyone, including some of his supporters, should begin to ask themselves, is he really the one you want to “hire” to run our country and bring peace to the world. How can you when he cannot even unite America without bringing about divide with race innuendos.
My vote is for Hillary because she is not about race. She is about “everyone” no matter what race you are. And she always has been. We have seen her live out her life in public so we know all about her. We have not seen that with Obama and most likely wont as long as his supporters, and the media, keep it from us because of race.
The only loser in this election are those who choose because of race instead of the one who is most qualified to make our country better. Its not about “change” anymore because they both are offering the same things, but with different views on how to get it done. So, its time to choose on “heart and soul” and who genuinely has the guts and the courage to take care of us domestically and internationally. And I believe its Hillary. Her record speaks for itself, his does not.
Hillary 08-12
Posted by: shewill | April 26, 2008, 3:26 pm 3:26 pm
The silencing of black Clinton supporters? You’ve got to be kidding.
Anyone who thinks Clyburn is “in the Obama camp” is deluded. Read what he said. Find out who he is. Barack is a newbie to Clyburn. In some ways so is Hillary. Why put him “in the Obama camp”? Because he hasn’t endorsed Hillary? Because he is black? Both?
He’s trying to get some of the older, lighter-complected Democrats hip to what is being talked about in increasingly less hushed tones among African Americans across the country: that Hillary’s campaign is no longer about winning but about making sure Barack loses.
He didn’t say he agreed, and I don’t think he does. But the perception is there, and it ought to be addressed somehow.
A similar discussion is going on in anti-war and progressive circles as well. Hopefully someone in the party will speak up for their votes too.
Posted by: don | April 26, 2008, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm
I just need to post these rules again for people. In the words of Obama ” I borrowed them”.
The Clinton Rules
1. If anything bad happens to the Democrats in this campaign, it can and should be blamed on Hillary Clinton.
2. Every statement of any supporter or surrogate of Hillary Clinton is a reflection of Hillary Clinton’s personal views or directives.
3. If Hillary Clinton gets the nomination (through her evil machinations) and loses, it will be the fault of Hillary Clinton and her supporters.
4. Any votes that Hillary Clinton receives from Independents and Republicans are due to their interest in preventing Sen. Obama from becoming the Democratic nominee and defeating Sen. John McCain. After all, the GOP wants to run against Hillary Clinton in the Fall!
5. If Hillary Clinton attempts to work the completely screwed up primary system to her advantage, it represents vote-stealing and cheating.
The Obama Rules
1. If anything good happens to the Democrats in this campaign, it can and should be attributed to Sen. Barack Obama.
2. NOT every statement of any prominent supporter or surrogate of Barack Obama is a reflection of Barack Obama’s personal views or directives.
3. If Sen. Obama gets the nomination and loses, it will be the fault of Hillary Clinton and her supporters.
Any votes that Sen. Obama receives from 4. Independents and Republicans are a result of his uplifting and positive campaign of hope, change and unity and his incredible coattails – and not because they are just becoming Democrats for a day. After all, isn’t it ridiculous that Democrats alone are allowed to pick the Democratic nominee?
5. If Sen. Obama attempts to work the completely screwed up primary system to his advantage, it represents hope, optimism and change and a reflection of the will of the people.
Posted by: Andrea | April 26, 2008, 3:40 pm 3:40 pm
The group that plays the “race card” is the one that started it.
or the one who brings it up…time and time again…
That would be Billy boy…the ultimate in strategic politician…nopt great human being…but ultimate in strategic politician…
You can’t “play the race card” when someone else keeps dropping it on the table.
It is the sign of old school scummy politics…
and Hillary and Bill and their followers (thank you geraldine) as soon as they lose seem to throw in race to delegitimize Obama.
Has obama or his wife or his campaign referenced women candidates or representatives or senators…ever when trying to draw a crrelation between Hillary and her campaign…no.
Bill Clinton knows exactly what he is doing..and he’s gross.
To say the Obama campaign or Clyburn is playing the race card because Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton are slimey and tactical to a new level. (and when you pull it apart it is absolutely apparent and even more apparent how comfortable and oggd they are at dentying/lying about it).
Get rid of these old time people/pols who think it is okay to lie to the American people all in the name of their own belief that they deserve the candidacy.
and statrt to focus on the fact that isf you look at their history…although they put the American welfare up there…the Clintons have never put the welfare of America above the Clintons.
They have never put ANYONE’s welfare over their own not even their own daughter for goodness sake. You can’t name me a time they did.
Posted by: dl | April 26, 2008, 3:46 pm 3:46 pm
Jim Clyburn is about as neutral as Michelle Obama and it is absurd for the press to keep reporting his comments while stating that he is neutral. Just read what he said: “and get them to vote for the nominee if you have done all these things and said all of these things about HIM”. There’s only one him in the race. what about the people running around saying all of these things abour her? which there is just as much if not more of
Posted by: max | April 26, 2008, 3:59 pm 3:59 pm
Hillary has two ex DNC chairs working for her, an exPresident doing as much as she is , and most of the democratic state campaign machines behind her.
…can you imagine if she had to stand on her own. They egt double the free publicity…I see Bill’s face on the Tv as much as Hillary’s… the clintons get double the online headlines as Obama…and she is still losing…even with decades practicse at gross old poltical tactics…
as much as everyone thinks this guy is hurting her… it’s like having a doppleganger out on the trail pitching for you.
All the while obama is fighting off the three of them…atleast is is down from Hillary, Bill, Mccain and Rendell. Now it’s bayh but he seems kind of like an anchorman…or Ted Knight reincarnated.
All the while obama fends it all off.
Anyone who thinks Hillary is the fighter isn’t really watching. With all the guys fighting for her…she is still losing in her stronghold…the democrats. what would happen witht he republicans…where she was weaker.
Posted by: dl | April 26, 2008, 4:01 pm 4:01 pm
And Hillary said this was HER campaign. Yeah right!
Bill needs to shut the heck up. I can just invision him in the back of that pickup truck in NC. He used that same tactic here in Texas pandering to everyone who would gather and listen to him. Now they are pulling the pickup truck up next to voting centers.
There is no shred of dignity left in this shell of a man, oh but wait there never was!
He is desperate to get his wife elected so he can repay all those political favors owed to his Library and Foundation. He is desperate to put all those free trade agreements into play so he can scoop up the money off the backs of what is left of hard working Americans.
When you have Rush Limbaugh telling you to vote for Hillary you really ought to stop and wonder why.
Posted by: Another Lie | April 26, 2008, 4:01 pm 4:01 pm
Reverend Wrigh and Obama believe in the Black Liberation Theology..
Reverend Wright an In an article in the Washington Post, unnamed ministers commented that black liberation theology “encourages a preacher to speak forcefully against the institutions of oppression…”
or the left, black liberation theology makes for close to a perfect faith. It is a political creed larded with religion. It serves not to reconcile and unite blacks with the larger cultural, but to keep them separate. Here, again, The Washington Post reports that “He [Wright] translated the Bible into lessons about…the misguided pursuit of ‘middle-classness.’”
Posted by: Antonn | April 26, 2008, 4:01 pm 4:01 pm
Dear “Ted,”
I’d like you to do your research on Obama’s association with all of those people before you make such a comment. First of all, how is Obama connected to Saddam Hussein? Is is because his middle name happens to be Hussein? Are we really going to be that dumb? Second, if you’re going to talk about association with Ayers, please don’t leave out Bill Clinton’s PARDONING of members of Weather Underground. Third, since we’re talking about Jeremiah Wright, please know that the Clintons used him as one of their “healers” during the Lewinsky scandal. They loved him then. I have no problem with Reverend Wright, but since he’s such a sore subject, let’s get both side out there, shall we?? One more thing, please list all questionable people the Clintons have been connected to the next time you want to make a point about the folks these politicians choose to hang with. The list will be very long and may take all day, but you can do it.
Posted by: Amy | April 26, 2008, 4:03 pm 4:03 pm
why is it that whenever senator obama loses a primary or gets into some sort of trouble the media/obama campaign tries furiously to change the storyline to one where senator obama is the victim of racial politics? it happens everytime. generally within 24 hours. you can set your watch by it. and to say that mr. clyburn is a neutral observer is ridiculous. he’s a partisan for mr. obama and should admit it.
Posted by: pat | April 26, 2008, 4:07 pm 4:07 pm
To Senator Clayburn..There are more Whites and Latinos thnt there are Blacks..so I believe you will be out voted…
Posted by: Antonn | April 26, 2008, 4:08 pm 4:08 pm
If people remember the obama campaign does this race “stuff” before a vote where the black makeup a large percentage. It was done in SC, Miss and now in NC. He’s already getting 90% just because of the color of his skin. I guess he want the other 10%. While he turns off all the other people.
Posted by: toby | April 26, 2008, 4:10 pm 4:10 pm
I think the FUNNIEST thing of all is a black candidate getting 90% of the black vote -and that INST racist . No , its their OPPONENTS FAULT somehow.
Think it might be because Obama is black so they are all voting for him because he is black and a real candidate?
Nobody gets 90% of any democratic freely elected vote. 90% vote is reserved for communist countrys with one name on the ballot.
Posted by: tomdavie | April 26, 2008, 4:12 pm 4:12 pm
Are these Democrats that are so concerned that President Cliton is a relentless campaigner Obama backers by any chance? lmao
This is such non news.
Posted by: s.b. | April 26, 2008, 4:12 pm 4:12 pm
Over 15 million democrats disagree!
Posted by: s.b. | April 26, 2008, 4:13 pm 4:13 pm
Come on now Mr. Clyburn, I said it first. Hillary will be too old to run in another 8 years. She either wins now or make sure Obama fails so that she can run again in 2008 against McCain. That has been her strategy ever since supper Tuesday. When “I am more prepared did not work” she went to the mud pile and started throwing mud.
Posted by: Gillis | April 26, 2008, 4:19 pm 4:19 pm
Come on now Mr. Clyburn, I said it first. Hillary will be too old to run in another 8 years. She either wins now or make sure Obama fails so that she can run again in 2008 against McCain. That has been her strategy ever since supper Tuesday. When “I am more prepared to be president” did not work she went to the mud pile and started throwing mud.
Posted by: Gillis | April 26, 2008, 4:21 pm 4:21 pm
Clyburn is any thing but neutral and I think Axelrod is not only using the Rove playbook he is out to destroy the Clintons if Obama can’t win this than he will destroy Bill and Hillary. And if she wins WV, Kentucky,and PR and holds him close in the other states thier will be a much smaller gap in Del and lets not forget MI .and FL.
Posted by: Bishop | April 26, 2008, 4:22 pm 4:22 pm
Mr. clyburn and Obama campaing are playing the race card. I don’t think Clinton’s family is racist.
They did a lot of good things for black communities but they don’t recognize when the black candidate is this race.
Posted by: stephanie | April 26, 2008, 4:25 pm 4:25 pm
Black candidate getting 100% of black vote is the fullfilment of a hunger that has lasted 450 years. After we have had a few black presidents, it would no longer be so. That said. The real reason Obama is wining is not because of black vote. It is not because of Latinos or Asians. It is because white America likes his idea of a united front agains the idealogs.
Posted by: Gillis | April 26, 2008, 4:26 pm 4:26 pm
The last time i looked, Wild Bill was undefeated in championship games. The man knows how to win elections. He can say what Hillary cant. So until proven otherwise, Bill is the best(and worst)thing Hillary has going for her! Expect things to get wild and wolly down the stretch. In the end, all the attention may help more than hurt her. We will see!!!
Posted by: Thomas Lawhead | April 26, 2008, 4:31 pm 4:31 pm
And by the way. Sen. Obama is white. Can’t you see that?
Posted by: Gillis | April 26, 2008, 4:31 pm 4:31 pm
The party elders are upset because the people love Bill Clinton, and he and his ungrateful wife are standing in the way of the annointing of the “chosen one” for the Democratic nominee. If Obama is the nominee, he has already lost the GE because of this vicious labeling of the Clintons as “racists” by the Obama campaign. The DNC thinks we will just roll over and play nice if they crown Obama, despite the continuing support of Hillary by core Democrats, and the obvious fact that her experience and judgment are far superior to that of the junior Senator from Illinois. John McCain will walk to the White House, and if I were the DNC I would also be worried about how many down-ticker Republicans he will take with him. An Obama nomination will paint America red.
Posted by: Grammy Barb | April 26, 2008, 4:33 pm 4:33 pm
Barack Obama played the race card and now he can not stand the heat.
Posted by: Felixdiaz1 | April 26, 2008, 4:38 pm 4:38 pm
IF SHE ONLY KNEW:
Are the Clintons fron Sicily by any chance? Are they related to Don Coleon?
Posted by: Gillis | April 26, 2008, 4:40 pm 4:40 pm
Rev Wright has been playing the race card for twenty years. And Obama made him his spiritual guide.
Posted by: Felixdiaz1 | April 26, 2008, 4:41 pm 4:41 pm
I heard President Bill Clinton speak in Oregon today. There was nothing untoward, rude, crude, divisive or bizarre about his speech.
Posted by: Christine | April 26, 2008, 4:45 pm 4:45 pm
Racial card? bitter, gun touting, that cling to religion white small town people? I think Obama is playing the race card and looking down on the majority of voters.
Posted by: Felixdiaz1 | April 26, 2008, 4:45 pm 4:45 pm
Heck, I don’t know.. I just know one thing.. I would be running scared If I had anything tied to the Clintons.. I better be careful, they may come after me for posting these notes.
Posted by: IF SHE ONLY KNEW | April 26, 2008, 4:46 pm 4:46 pm
Unfortunately, Bill Clinton now looks like that fluke that became president.
Getting down in the dirt he has lost what respectibility he still had at being a past president. He is just a reminder to us all what we didn’t like during the Clinton years.
Posted by: Paulet | April 26, 2008, 4:47 pm 4:47 pm
Hilliary needs to pull out of this campaign while she still has some support left, b/c it is dwindling every day as she sputters on, but will run out of steam, and have little if any credibility left with the party powers-that-be. She needs to throw her full land undivided support behind the leader in this campaign, b/c it is a farce for her or anyone else to believe that it is even close. Elections in the USA are about delegates, and she will not be able to “win” enough delegates to overtake the nominee. Of course, she realizes that she can not “win” the nomination, and that the only hope she has is to “dupe” people and to try her best to “steal” the nomination, which would ruin her chance in the G.E. Most people historically have her rightly pegged as a “divider” a “polarizer,” which she is, and she has proven time and again that this, along with her propensity to spind falsehoods is her defining characteristic. If she were to pull out now, and preserve some integrity, supporting Senator Obama, then after he has had a successful 8 year term, rising above partisan politics, and restoring America to her historic vision among the peace-loving, hard-working, and law-abiding nations of the world, then Hilliary could say that she has worked along side of him for 8 years and would be seen as a part of his success, which would restore her credibility among voters, her having earned it, and she would then have her “turn” at the country’s helm. She is NOT a bad person, but she needs to learn teamwork first, and then she will be “ready” on day whatever.
Posted by: Justinteim | April 26, 2008, 4:47 pm 4:47 pm
If she only knew—Wouldn’t you think that the cops could find enough evidence to convict the Clinton’s of at least one of these deaths if they were involved. Or do you think that the Clinton’s paid them off too? P.S,
you forgot to name Jimmy Hoffa and John Bellushi.
Posted by: BikernAz | April 26, 2008, 4:49 pm 4:49 pm
Obama’s record shows he lstened to sermons of hate for twenty years, he did nothing, he said nothing. Actually he thought it was fine for his children to learn from those sermons of hate. Instead of talking of Bill Clinton lets talk about how Michelle Obama is playing the race card and the Anti Americans card.
Posted by: Felixdiaz1 | April 26, 2008, 4:49 pm 4:49 pm
IF SHE ONLY KNEW:
I am already afraid for you. But not to worry, I think He is Irish. Replicons don’t hurt anybody. Or do they?
Posted by: Gillis | April 26, 2008, 4:51 pm 4:51 pm
It appears that the folks associated with the Clintons, are jumping ship..
We better pray for them!
Hillary is destroying the DEM in everyway.. Blacks agains Whites, its like being back in the 50′s /60′s . All I can say is, Rush Limbaugh started this mess, because he told the Republicans to vote for Hillary.. They voted in TX and OH.. over 15% of the votes she received were Rebublican and they had an association with Rush..
So, that is why Obama can’t put her away, because RUSH is begging on his radio show for people to vote for HILLARY and he has atleast 500,000 listeners daily
Posted by: IF SHE ONLY KNEW | April 26, 2008, 4:55 pm 4:55 pm
I don’t know, it appears that they hire people to do there dirty work..
I am going to pray for Barack Obama and McCain and his family.. Because it appears they are no joke when it comes to other peoples lives..
I believe once they are competely out of office, some one may investgate..
Also, The families of these people may be to afraid to come forward.
Posted by: IF SHE ONLY KNEW | April 26, 2008, 4:59 pm 4:59 pm
The media suppressed the information for months and let voters be deceived. They attacked Hillary and puffed up Obama trying to run this election. Voters deserved to be informed of Obama’s associations with radical, Anti American, racist, white hating, criminals and terrorists. It goes to the man’s judgment of who he chooses to be in the company with. He has told too many lies about too many issues. We are the 50 United States of America — not 48! The citizens of Florida and Michigan should be counted.
Posted by: proudamerican2008 | April 26, 2008, 5:00 pm 5:00 pm
clyburn and all the black leaders,
stop blaming the clintons. it’s not their fault that obama is slipping. blame us, the voters for not voting for obama. the more we know about obama, the more we don’t want him to be the potus. nothing to do about issues or race.
Posted by: pam | April 26, 2008, 5:00 pm 5:00 pm
Since America was founded oit has only white presidents, were is the equal opportunity in the meltingpot country. Think about that and think that Clinton said in PA that Obama and his campaign are playing race card on him. Clinton was hopping to see black people on their knees for him because he believes he has done so much for them, not remembering that if he was not thrown out of the White People it is because of many black people who said no to republicans, the right wing conspiracy. But Bill sees his own interest alone and for him a good black individual is te one on the back seat and quiet. No Bill don try to keep black people on plantations not anymore, not this time. Hill the Bosnian General is unelectable. God bless America and God bless Obama.OBAMA08.
Posted by: BKMC | April 26, 2008, 5:00 pm 5:00 pm
They’re gaining!!!!!!!!!!!!They are gaining!!!!!!!!!Far out!!!!!!!!!!!Hurrah!!!!!!!!YYYaaaaayyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!YYYYYAAAAAYYYYY!!!!!
Posted by: Suzannaquanashawn | April 26, 2008, 5:00 pm 5:00 pm
I will not vote for the Clintons, I don’t care how much money they offer..
Well, since I am living from pay check to pay check.. I may take some but behind close doors..
Well, let them thow some cash at me and I will see.. But at this point, since I am poor and white, and live in a rural area, with a dog and a tin roof..
I am still not voting for them
Posted by: IF SHE ONLY KNEW | April 26, 2008, 5:01 pm 5:01 pm
They can’t gain moron LOL The math is there and the supers will decide…and watch and see which way they go. Not many like the Clintons and even fewer want them back in power.
Posted by: Brian | April 26, 2008, 5:04 pm 5:04 pm
They can’t gain moron LOL The math is there and the supers will decide…and watch and see which way they go. Not many like the Clintons and even fewer want them back in power.
Posted by: Brian | April 26, 2008, 5:04 pm 5:04 pm
Bill dosen’t get it. He is old news and disgraced old news at that. He thinks everyone loves him and they just don’t. Many remember his empeachement, his being disbarred, his women, his lies and his temper when people or things did not go as he wanted them too.
He has shown his racist side and his ugly side when caught thinkning his mike was off last week. He’s right, he dosent’t have to take sh** from anyone (his words) but we don’t either and the majority won’t. He has worn out his welcome and the good manners of the American public. Let him go back to taking money from China and Columbia and selling out the public interest while he keeps his office in Harlem (that over looks Central Park and costs 4,000.00 a month…real Harlem…)
Posted by: Brian | April 26, 2008, 5:05 pm 5:05 pm
No matter what Bill Clinton said about the race effect on primaries, he (and later Gore and Kerry) used to get most of the black votes in the previous general elections. There is reason that he is pretty unhappy as 90% of the black voters went for Obama in PA. The media are in general hostile to Bill Clinton, in spite of the fact that he is the only two-term Dem. president since the end of WWII and he was wise enough to stay away from any major war and have the budget balanced.
Posted by: austin | April 26, 2008, 5:06 pm 5:06 pm
With Bill, it’s always about him and about insisting/proving he’s right. He doesn’t care about the damage he’s doing to the party or to the African-American community. He is a supreme narcissist.
Posted by: James | April 26, 2008, 5:09 pm 5:09 pm
proudamerican2008: Michigan and Florida broke the rules. Rule breakers are not rewarded for their behavior, and Michigan and Florida shouldn’t be either.
Posted by: Rob | April 26, 2008, 5:10 pm 5:10 pm
I don’t think even Don Coleon would approve of the senseless killing between the families.
Posted by: Gillis | April 26, 2008, 5:15 pm 5:15 pm
Well I wont say anything bad about Bill Clinton i think hes doing enough damage to himself. But lets be real none of the candidates have made this about race its the media and pundits and polls and such separating the country into black, smart whites, dumb whites, rich blacks, old white women, young white frogs, yellow martians and the likes. we are allowing our media to disenfranchise us. stop playing into the games of demographics and race and vote on policy and issues. if you dont like obama because of his health care plan then cool but dont get mad at him because hes got a base of people who hillary doesnt and vice versa
Posted by: Allamr18 | April 26, 2008, 5:17 pm 5:17 pm
Let’s not forget Clinton’s ‘legacy’. The Northwest Forest Plan tied so much red tape around sound forestry practices that we now import much of our timber products from B.C. He and Gore gave so much free reign to environmentalists by enacting their ideologies as law, that we are now paying the price at the gas pump. We cannot drill for oil under the backwards 1990′s environmental red tape. We cannot cut the lumber to meet our demand because of the Northwest Forest Plan of 1994 so we import them from Canada at a high price. We have huge costs now for produce because of gas prices and the fact that farmers have to scramble for water because under 80′s and 90′s legislation, Bureau of Reclamation is diverting farm water for endangered fish species. Are we Americans such super species that we can continue to afford living under the extreme environmental rules of the 1990′s? This is Bill’s legacy, this is the legacy of the 1990′s and we are paying the price for it now.
Posted by: S | April 26, 2008, 5:18 pm 5:18 pm
Some wonder. Many Democrats are certain (Bill Clinton has worn out his welcome).
Posted by: Mike Denhof | April 26, 2008, 5:19 pm 5:19 pm
can bill shut up!!
and by the way hillary need to put all the females in the campaign away from him
Posted by: SAM | April 26, 2008, 5:20 pm 5:20 pm
Bill Clinton is not really a racist. But racism is the only card left to play against Obama even though Obama is also white.
I wonder what he would do if John Edwards had been in Obama’s four pairs of shoes.
Posted by: Gillis | April 26, 2008, 5:20 pm 5:20 pm
I believe that Bill does a better job than Sen. Clinton in letting the voters know how a possible Clinton presidency would look like; I believe that he should speak out as much as he likes in order to get rid of all ambiguities.
Those who do not mind being lied to on a daily basis, taking credit for other people’s successes and blaming others for their own bad decisions and mistakes will see in Sen. Clinton the future of America; everybody else…..
Posted by: mfr_08 | April 26, 2008, 5:20 pm 5:20 pm
If she only blew—I ran into a lot of squirrels when I was on Cadre at Knox.
If they could talk, I believe you would be related.
Posted by: BikernAz | April 26, 2008, 5:22 pm 5:22 pm
God Bless America and please include
Bill Clinton.
Posted by: stacy | April 26, 2008, 5:23 pm 5:23 pm
If anyone deserves some slack for their service to this country and the world, that person is Bill Clinton. Now, nearly eight years after President Clinton (Bill) left office; I miss him more than ever! I can’t think of anyone who can hold a candle to him. He left office leaving behind a 450 billion dollar surplus! What more proof do you need? We were prosperous, and well respected around the world. He accomplished all of that in spite of the Washington media’s daily attacks, and relentless hit jobs. Eight years after he left office we find ourselves surrounded by disasters and on a slippery slope of decline. A crisis– one sort of another– has become a daily occurrence, like living in a third world country. Now, the media is promoting and cheering for Sen. Obama. Just like they promoted Gov. Bush and Iraq war, remember? By electing Sen. Hillary Clinton as our next president is the only way to put an end to the decline of our country and promote prosperity and success here at home and stability throughout the world!
Posted by: charleychaplin | April 26, 2008, 5:24 pm 5:24 pm
S: You’re blaming Clinton-Gore for today’s gas prices. I think you’ve been overdosing a little too much on Fox News! Get a life!
Posted by: ted | April 26, 2008, 5:24 pm 5:24 pm
I still don’t think that even Don Coleon would approve of the senseless killing between the families.
Posted by: Gillis | April 26, 2008, 5:25 pm 5:25 pm
I really do wonder, giving the framing they are putting around this campaign if the Clinton’s are in this for what is best for the American people or the Democratic Party, or what is best for them? I’ve been watching ABC news for instance fairly closely, and it doesn’t seem as if the Clinton campaign is all that fussed about getting its policy matters out there. I genuinely believe that Hillaryt would have had the nomination sown up if she had made it a campaign about what she was going to do for the American people. I think people judge primary campagns by what would it be like to have the candidates as president, and I think people’s reaction to Hillary is that with er you will get 4-8 years of scandal and whining and wingeing.
Posted by: markymark | April 26, 2008, 5:27 pm 5:27 pm
people are fed up with do or say anything to with.and she wonder why she is perceived less honest? get out of here hillary!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: sam | April 26, 2008, 5:33 pm 5:33 pm
people are fed up with do or say anything to with.and she wonder why she is perceived less honest? get out of here hillary!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: sam | April 26, 2008, 5:33 pm 5:33 pm
people are fed up with do or say anything to with.and she wonder why she is perceived less honest? get out of here hillary!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: sam | April 26, 2008, 5:34 pm 5:34 pm
The Clinton News Network would be lost when Barack Obama becomes president. A name change would be needed. ONN. They appear definitely on the side of democrats but they are so much pro-Clintons in this political cycle.
Posted by: Gillis | April 26, 2008, 5:36 pm 5:36 pm
Allamr18—You think it’s bad having to listen to Bill? We are stuck with Michelle.
Posted by: BikernAz | April 26, 2008, 5:40 pm 5:40 pm
Why does everyone keep calling Obama a ‘Black’ man? For crying out loud, he is mixed race! Does having a single drop of ‘black’ blood somehow taint one and automatically ostracise or alienate him/her from the other race?? The fact that Obama is being referred to as a black man speaks volumes about how the majority white poeple in america view anyone who is not like them…….
Posted by: Cheb | April 26, 2008, 5:40 pm 5:40 pm
No sermons of hate, No Rezko frauds, No Obama looking down on people, no Michelle trashing the country and Americans. no terrorist like Ayers, no Farrakahn No Obama. Obama is unelectable.
Posted by: Felixdiaz1 | April 26, 2008, 5:42 pm 5:42 pm
Cheb Obama calls himself a black man, he likes to play the race card and that is why 8% of blacks vote for him, for race.
Posted by: Felixdiaz1 | April 26, 2008, 5:45 pm 5:45 pm
Cheb Obama calls himself a black man, he likes to play the race card and that is why 98% of blacks vote for him, for race.
Posted by: Felixdiaz1 | April 26, 2008, 5:46 pm 5:46 pm
Bill is a loose cannon and obviously cannot be trusted to stay on message or out of scandal. What would happen if he was back in the White House?
I spent a good portion of the late 1990′s explaining why I campaigned so hard for President Clinton in 1992 and 1996. I don’t need that headache back again.
Posted by: Ann | April 26, 2008, 5:46 pm 5:46 pm
Actually, it was nice to see Hillary, Bill, Chelsean and Hillary’s mom (the grandma not thrown under the bus) at the victory speech in PA. I wish we could see more of Bill and that the negative, Obama loving, Bill bashing media could try and note that many Americans have a great fondness for President Bill Clinton. It’s really uncool to bash a former president as much as the media does. If any former president deserves this much bashing, it’s Jimmy Carter for his Hamas forays and anti-semitic displays.
TELL THE DNC TO ALLOW ALL 50 STATES TO VOTE!
SAY NO TO A DNC OBAMA CORONATION!
Posted by: calli | April 26, 2008, 5:47 pm 5:47 pm
Mattel is testing a new Obama doll set for marketability. The set contains a white and a black version of Obama. Wind them both up and they stab each other in the back.
Posted by: BikernAz | April 26, 2008, 5:49 pm 5:49 pm
Cheb:
What do you mean ‘taint?’ Conotes undesirable.
Posted by: BlackMan | April 26, 2008, 5:56 pm 5:56 pm
Why are women boycotting Oprah because she is not in the SISTERHOOD? Voting for someone because they are a woman or bi-racial is wrong. Does it happen? Sure, but it is more apparent that people will vote for a pathological liar who will destroy the party in order to run in 2012. BTW she says “you don’t choose your family” well you choose your spouse. After he was impeached for lying about his “affair” with a person 15 months older than his daughter, she forced him to push for her to MAKE A RUN TOWARD THE WHITE HOUSE
Posted by: Flander Annapolis | April 26, 2008, 5:57 pm 5:57 pm
Felixdiaz1,
I know he calls himself a black man, but does he have a choice? It is the ‘black’ community that accepted him. Back in years gone by, having a ‘none-white’ skin meant that you would be ostracised by many, regardless of whether you had ‘white’ blood or not. So he (Obama) cannot now denounce or dissociate himself from the ‘black’ community at this point in time.
Posted by: Cheb | April 26, 2008, 5:58 pm 5:58 pm
Cheb:
Dont forget Obama is in this ONLY because at least 14mil whites voted for him. and hundreds of thousands more will vote for him. Ignore the ProHillaryu and McCain people on this blog. They are in the minority.
Posted by: BlackMan | April 26, 2008, 6:00 pm 6:00 pm
I cannot undersand how come the blacks are calling always the race card when Obama is the one using the race card on his favor. Unfortunately, the majority of blacks have been voting en masse for Obama, which makes you think if the only thing they consider when making their choice is race. If you make any type of comment based on that reality (and for example, the media is telling us that Obama is going to win NC since 40% of the voters are black), then you are labeled by the black people as a racist. It would be very detrimental for the black voters credibility and reliability as a voting group not to vote for the Democratic Party if Obama is not the candidate of the Democratic Party. That would mean that they are practicing reverse racism.
Posted by: Definitely Common Sense | April 26, 2008, 6:03 pm 6:03 pm
I insist that even Don Coleon would not approve of the senseless killing between the families
Posted by: BlackMan | April 26, 2008, 6:06 pm 6:06 pm
Blackman,
yes taint. As i said to Felixdiaz1, it seems to be easier for the ‘black’ community to accept a mixed-race individual than for the white community to do so, just because of skin colour. I bet you if Obama had somehow been born with much much fairer skin (almost white) then he would have been accepted in the white community of back in the day as one of their own….
Posted by: Cheb | April 26, 2008, 6:06 pm 6:06 pm
Blackman:
That was my line. Oh how people steal, right before your eyes.
Posted by: Gillis | April 26, 2008, 6:08 pm 6:08 pm
Cheb I have darker skin than Obama, but I do not promote rcism or use it as a shield like Obama does and his supporters do.
Posted by: Felixdiaz1 | April 26, 2008, 6:10 pm 6:10 pm
Well, it was kinda cute line given what the two campaigns are doing to each other.
Posted by: BlackMan | April 26, 2008, 6:12 pm 6:12 pm
Blackman :The tactics that Obama used to get the seat as Illinois senator indeed are “Corleone” style. His campaign tactics and the amount of money he spends in propaganda are also more on that line.
Posted by: Felixdiaz1 | April 26, 2008, 6:13 pm 6:13 pm
Cheb:
This election cycle is different so far. Given a chance, let’s see what they do. We might yet really forgive them in our hearts for the past 400 years.
Posted by: BlackMan | April 26, 2008, 6:14 pm 6:14 pm
The time is long past due when Bill Clinton, aka “Slick Willy”, should have shut his loose-lipped mouth. He’s done nothing in this campaign other than hurt his wife. His well-timed snipes (i.e. just before elections) are obviously timed so as to provide no possible rebuttal time from the Obama campaign.
There has been a long-standing precedent that ex-presidents stay out of presidential and other campaigns. I suspect part of that is because they don’t want to diminish or change their legacy. It appears at times that Bill Clinton thinks he is running. I don’t see how it can possibly be to any candidate’s advantage, especially his own wife’s, to always be upstaged by an ex-president.
In addition, he isn’t really speaking to actual campaign issues. Most of the time, he’s making some calculated remark designed to incite one segment of the voters against another. And, in general, he makes these comments so close to the voting window that it makes it impossible to dispute, refute, or otherwise reply appropriately. When the remarks are off-based or construed incorrectly and reported in the media, he quickly refutes or disavows any knowledge of them. But the damage is usually already done. And the Clinton supporters just eat his spew hook, line and sinker.
I seriously don’t understand how anybody could vote for HRC knowing that her big-mouth husband is always going to run his mouth off and upstage her. Honestly, it will be the first time in U. S. history when there will be a legitimate issue as to who’s calling the shots in the White House and that the U. S. President would be constantly getting upstaged. I don’t know why anybody in their right mind would vote for that scenario. He’s had his allotted eight years in the White House. That’s all that our Constitution allows for. He really needs to shut his trap!
Posted by: J. T. Bigglesworth | April 26, 2008, 6:14 pm 6:14 pm
Cheb: He was never part of the black community untilhe entered politics. for convinience, the same way that for convinience called his dead grandmother “tpical white racist”
Posted by: Felixdiaz1 | April 26, 2008, 6:16 pm 6:16 pm
Cheb: Do not forget that Obama choose to embrace his black heritage and reject his white heritage; that is why he is considered a black by the black community. A real “unifier” would have embraced both of his heritages, and work with the present instead of looking at the past (we all know how the blacks were treated). As long as the black Obama supporters do not understand that the majority of the people (of other races and color) who do not believe he is the best candidate do not reach that conclusion based on his race, but in other real facts, they will continue labeling us as racists.
Posted by: Definitely Common Sense | April 26, 2008, 6:17 pm 6:17 pm
Hillary needs to stop, she is divding the party by racial lines. I am getting real fed up with her!
Posted by: Amy | April 26, 2008, 6:17 pm 6:17 pm
This is the ugliest campaign I have ever witnessed. It makes me ashamed to be a member of the DNC.
They’re both destroying each other’s credibility. Whichever one is left standing when this is all over won’t have a rat’s ass of a chance against McCain. They’d better kiss and make up and start exhibiting some unity or we’ll have 4 more years of the RNC.
Posted by: George | April 26, 2008, 6:21 pm 6:21 pm
Obama is being racist, because he uses race as an ecuse and as a shield for his shortcomings, he is being racist for the way he looks at small town people and blue collar workers, making fun of their customs and culture.
Posted by: Felixdiaz1 | April 26, 2008, 6:22 pm 6:22 pm
Amy: Is Hillary dividing the party along racial lines, or are Obama and Obama black supporters the ones who are dividing the party along racial lines by voting en masse for Obama?
Posted by: Definitely Common Sense | April 26, 2008, 6:24 pm 6:24 pm
He decided to enter politics more than 20 years ago, he said it himself. he did not worked for displaced workers. actually he worked favoring employers and he handle only one case of voting registration that counts as civil rights litigation.
Posted by: Felixdiaz1 | April 26, 2008, 6:31 pm 6:31 pm
Definitely Common Sense:
Please clarify this for me. Has Obama in one way or other denounced his white heritage? He was brought up by his mother and therefore I naively presume he lived amongst the ‘white’ people. He has however been attending a pre-dominantly ‘black’ church for the past 20 years. Seeing as he is only in his mid 40s, shall we say he ‘embraced’ his black heritage and ‘denounced’ his white heritage a long time go. Is he did this for political reasons as you state, then I must say he’s been planning for this day for quite a long time!!
Posted by: Cheb | April 26, 2008, 6:31 pm 6:31 pm
Bill lost his creditability a LONG time ago when he discraced the office of president and his family. He is a discrace to this country. Is amazing how people forget what he put his family and this country through by his cheating and lying.
Posted by: dj | April 26, 2008, 6:32 pm 6:32 pm
Blackman: As I stated in a prior posting, Obama has two heritages (black and white or white and black), but he openly rejected his white heritage and adopted his black heritage as his sole heritage. We all agree on how much the blacks have suffered, but as a candidate looking to the FUTURE AND PREACHING CHANGE, WOULDN’T IT BE a best approach as a UNIFIER embracing both of his heritages and adopt an approach of how we can make things better for both and work for the betterment of both in the future?
Posted by: Definitely Common Sense | April 26, 2008, 6:32 pm 6:32 pm
Juanita, please Obama is affraid of debate. He can not stand for himself without a written script, and when he is caught in a lie or shortcoming then he says is all about race. He is bringing the racial division.
Posted by: Felixdiaz1 | April 26, 2008, 6:35 pm 6:35 pm
I used to adore Bill Clinton in the 90′s… I can’t stand the man now. He’s a mean-spirited, crotchety, anything-goes campaigner… he gives Dems a bad name. I don’t believe a thing that he or Hillary say anymore. They have zero credibility with me.
Posted by: DogBitez | April 26, 2008, 6:38 pm 6:38 pm
Hey, anyone see the pattern as to why race is becoming a big issue again?? We are getting close to North Carolina! I hope the American people see this. We cannot have a manipulative lying, scripted, weak president. Obama is just that!
Posted by: Voter | April 26, 2008, 6:39 pm 6:39 pm
to Felixdiaz1
Obomber already has this nomination won. This debate BS is just another ploy by the Clintons to make Obomber look bad. This is a real joke. Clinton has no way of winning this. Wise up.
Posted by: dj | April 26, 2008, 6:39 pm 6:39 pm
dj You are forgetting thet he left the presidency leaving a good economy, jobs, balanced budget surplus trade, peace, respect around the world..THE Republicans made a scandal of a personal and private matter, even though, he fixed in eight years the mess that Reagan and Bush made, and the huge deficit that they provoked.. Hillary will do the same with the mess Bush junior is leaving.
Posted by: Felixdiaz1 | April 26, 2008, 6:39 pm 6:39 pm
Oh come on dj!!
Do you know how hard it is to live in a community as an ‘outcast’? The law of nature dictates that we as humans gravitate to where we feel comfortable and accepted. Why would Obama have to ‘denounce’ his white heritage if he felt so comfortable? Your going up in arms and protesting now is a failure to look at the reasons why he embraced his black heritage.
Posted by: Cheb | April 26, 2008, 6:40 pm 6:40 pm
Clintons are liars. They cannot clean up the mess Bush made, because they helped make it, and it is clear they only know how to do politics that way.
Besides, Hillary cannot win the general. She is blinded by yes-men supporters (and for those of you who think her campaign is feminist, look at how she surrounds herself with damaging, blundering, stupid men), so she has no clue how much distaste the majority of America has for her lies and distortions.
We need a new era…the longer a dynasty has been in DC, the more corrupt it becomes.
Posted by: anotherpatricia | April 26, 2008, 6:44 pm 6:44 pm
Obama may as well win the nomination It is an uphill battle for Hillary but I am so proud of her. Her strength, her capacity, her breadth of knowledge and her personality is truly amazing. This is why Obama is a scaredy cat with going toe to toe for a new debate. With Obama’s nomination, we know that the democrats have lost the presidency! America will not go for another naive Bush like president — especially someone who has promised to raise payroll and capital gains taxes up past 35%
Posted by: Voter | April 26, 2008, 6:45 pm 6:45 pm
DH: If your only measure to judge the work of a president or a polititian is by his “affair”, then we all should think and reach to the conclusion that JFK and Ted Kenney are the biggest disgrace in the history of this country.
Posted by: Definitely Common Sense | April 26, 2008, 6:46 pm 6:46 pm
Cheb: PAST, past; we are still not perfect and much still needs to be done but we have come a long way from those times. AGAIN, a real UNIFIER, THAT PREACHES OF HOPE LOOKS TO THE FUTURE, BY UNDERSTANDING THE PAST BUT MOVING FORWARD TO EMPOWER HIS RACE. Sticking in the past is not going to help the blacks; they need to start hoping and working towards the future and the best way to do it is by uniting all of the races to work for the betterment of all.
Posted by: Definitely Common Sense | April 26, 2008, 6:53 pm 6:53 pm
Is Bill Clinton wearing out his welcome? Answer. Yes. North Carolina is going to be a challenge for senator clinton, because the demographics do not favor her and she has to prove that she can win over keys groups other than hispanics, women and whites who are stigmatized by race. If she can’t win NC, its over.
Posted by: Jade | April 26, 2008, 6:55 pm 6:55 pm
Definitely Common Sense
Obama echos me in his book. See, he’s not alone.
Posted by: BlackMan | April 26, 2008, 6:57 pm 6:57 pm
Definitely common sense:
I know it’s all in the past. I was just trying to explain why Obama, a mixed-race individual is considered by many (and himself) a black man!
Posted by: Cheb | April 26, 2008, 6:58 pm 6:58 pm
Definitely Common Sense
You are bent on turning this campaign into a racial thing between whites and blacks. That is the only way whites ever wins anything in this country against blacks. You can’t give anybody any other reason to vote for your candidate except she is beter that a black man because she is white..
Posted by: BlackMan | April 26, 2008, 7:03 pm 7:03 pm
Jade: Your conclusion is not true; everybody nows that NC is pro Obama since 40% of the voters are black; so no, all of the analysts and the Democratic Pary are saying that NC is not a measure at all to determine electability. Since the majority of blacks have voted en masse for Obama because he is black, it does not help him at all in terms of his real electability. The majority of the nation as a whole voters (all races and heritages) in the November election are not black.
Posted by: Definitely Common Sense | April 26, 2008, 7:03 pm 7:03 pm
Voter:
Sorry if this comes as offensive, but you are living in lala land if you think Hillary has no skeletons and everyone is just having a go at her. What happened to the peter paul saga? The bosnia incident is nothing compared to this. He carried out several campaigns for her election as senator and yet the clintons denied having had anyting to to with him! This saga has been swept under the carpet like nothing ever happened and yet it is touted as the largest election fraud in history!! Don’t try and paint her as a saint, because she’s so far from it!!
Posted by: Cheb | April 26, 2008, 7:05 pm 7:05 pm
Blackman: Again, do not label me a racist since my decision is not based on race. I actually think Obama has a very good potential, but after reviewing his actual resume, in my opinion he is still not ready to be President. I think he would be a real good Vice President, get the experience he is lacking and then go for the Presidency. I accept that you might not agree with my conclusion, but do not label me a racist.
Posted by: Definitely Common Sense | April 26, 2008, 7:08 pm 7:08 pm
Definitely common sense:
The argument you make about Obama having the upper hand in NC to start with should be applied to PA by those who say Clinton had a major victory. Arent the majority in PA ‘white’, so she was bound to win. Why are the white-worker votes so much more important than the other votes? And anyway, isn’t Obama having a smaller lead over clinton on the national front?
Posted by: Cheb | April 26, 2008, 7:11 pm 7:11 pm
Definitely Common Sense
Based on history of this country. Whites should be kneeling at the alter 24×7 begging God for forgiveness of their ancestors atrocities. And whites of this generation should sin no more.
I don’t judge you by your ancestors sins. I judge you by your own sins. How do you knowingly spin things today against blacks and nonewhites?
Posted by: BlackMan | April 26, 2008, 7:13 pm 7:13 pm
Please you people can you tell me what the problem is with Obama. Why is he always complaigning about race? He is the one that started the race game an it is coming down on him now as the real blue collar workers are really voting for Clinton on Economy and Reliability . Clinton has done this in the past and Hillary can do more now. I dont know why we Blacks keeps shouting as if we are cheated when Obama really doesnt know what he is doing .HE CANT WIN AND WILL NOT WIN BY GOD’S GRACE AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: A True black American | April 26, 2008, 7:14 pm 7:14 pm
DJ: I know, I agree. But it is interesting how many people use a double standard to judge people depending on the circumstances. Isn’t Ted Kennedy one of the biggest supporters of Obama? Were are the morals of those who talk about Bill, but forget about Ted? See the point?
Posted by: Definitely Common Sense | April 26, 2008, 7:14 pm 7:14 pm
Nor Obama nor Clinton can reach the 2025 delegates necessary to secure the nomination. That is it. There is no rule that the candidate with more delegates short of 2025 wins the nomination, si it does not matter if Obama ends with more delegates as long as is less than 2025. The superdelegates decide and they must decide on who can win the General Election not on delegates or amount of states. Obama is unelectable because he alienated the majority of white votes. Senator Clinton has won the decisive states with more electoral votes and would be a nominee for every democrat and a President for every American.
Posted by: Felixdiaz1 | April 26, 2008, 7:15 pm 7:15 pm
A True black American:
You’re dreaming if you think Hillary is any less racist than Obama!
Posted by: Cheb | April 26, 2008, 7:16 pm 7:16 pm
DJ: I know, I agree. But it is interesting how many people use a double standard to judge people depending on the circumstances. Isn’t Ted Kennedy one of the biggest supporters of Obama? Were are the morals of those who talk about Bill, but forget about Ted? See the point?
Posted by: Definitely Common Sense | April 26, 2008, 7:17 pm 7:17 pm
CHEB white votes are no more important that black votes, but in the general election there are much more white votes than black votes. Obama alenated many of the white votes already.
Posted by: Felixdiaz1 | April 26, 2008, 7:21 pm 7:21 pm
Felixdiaz1
If the Clintons STEAL this nomination by using the super delegates then get prepared for a race uprising like this country has never seen. Clinton is setting back race relations in this country 50 years and she doesn’t care.
Come to the reality that McCain is going to win. BOTH of the Dem candidates are severly damaged from their statements and their pasts.
Posted by: dj | April 26, 2008, 7:22 pm 7:22 pm
cheb Obama had a small lead in the national front among Democrats and today is actually Hillary on front. but not among the general population.
Posted by: Felixdiaz1 | April 26, 2008, 7:23 pm 7:23 pm
Definitely Common Sense
A lot of younger people don’t about Chapaquidic.
BOTH of these guys do not deserve their positions.
Posted by: dj | April 26, 2008, 7:24 pm 7:24 pm
YOu know what?? If the whites are really voting the way we Blacks are voting . Obama will be nowhere today the whites to me are even less of rascist than we blacks . How can almost 99.9% of Blacks be voting for Obama as if Clinton doesnt exist .Black Americans are more of a racist her tobe sincere and we need to get that right.We Blacks are not at all fair to Clinton!!!!
Posted by: A True black American | April 26, 2008, 7:32 pm 7:32 pm
Obama introduced himself as a centrist. Ohio believed him. Clinton spins his race in South Carolina. Hillary supporters spins that Obama is playing the race card. Is his how you want to wina n election, by distorting truths and outright lying?
Posted by: BlackMan | April 26, 2008, 7:34 pm 7:34 pm
The only whiners and cryers that i have seen so far are the “Clinton’s”.These people are sore losers.And I am tired of “Bill” pointing his finger at us –like we are a bunch of school children– who have been naughty and need to straighten up our ways.He is like the bully on the play ground—His way or you will be destroyed.
Posted by: orange cat | April 26, 2008, 7:41 pm 7:41 pm
Obama’s supporters they try to use race as a guilt blacmail or as a threat for violence. I do not think the majority of African Americans can not see that if Obama is unelectable, then we have to stop the Republicans and Senator Clinton can do it. The Clintons both have done a lot of good for this country and for Black Americans. It is laughable that some people want their candidate to win or threaten with violence. If that is not racist then what?
Posted by: Felixdiaz1 | April 26, 2008, 7:46 pm 7:46 pm
dj McCain is going to loose. Hillary Clinton will stop the Republican corruption and the bleeding of the treassury that Bush and Cheney are doing trhough Halliburton and Blackwater.
Posted by: Felixdiaz1 | April 26, 2008, 7:51 pm 7:51 pm
Blackman Jesse Jackson was a Democrat contender in the primaries before.What are you talking about never?
Posted by: Felixdiaz1 | April 26, 2008, 7:53 pm 7:53 pm
Blackman: My mother (white) remarried a black man. I am white but I have brothers that are bi-racial. It takes a lot of work, but it can be done. You might get opinions from everybody around you; when you are a teen, you might have your doubts; but by the time you are an adult you can see that even when it is more difficult, the road to unify both heritages is the ROAD TO FOLLOW. When he wrote his book, Obama was an adult. At that point in his life, had him been able to reconcile both of his heritages?
Posted by: Definitely Common Sense | April 26, 2008, 8:04 pm 8:04 pm
He was writing about his life up to that point. Just read the book again please.
Posted by: BlackMan | April 26, 2008, 8:09 pm 8:09 pm
Good night to all, I am moving to another blog.
Posted by: Definitely Common Sense | April 26, 2008, 8:11 pm 8:11 pm
From someone looking in from Canada. What I see is a woman who is willing to destroy her opponent for the nomination and her party just because they dared to not hand her the nomination on a silver plater and because she is losing. If by some chance she does get the nomination she will not win the presidency in November because she has created such a riff among democrats both black and white. Every one including the media keeps harping on the black vs white voters. Hillary Clinton does not have all of the white vote. Barack Obama has both black, brown and white supporters and all are being permanently turned off of Hillary. I doubt very much that they will even forget these shinanigans in time for her to win in 2012 or later. I believe that she has done irreparable harm to herself and possibly to her party. She has definetly lost stature as an honest elected member.
Posted by: white woman | April 26, 2008, 8:22 pm 8:22 pm
Bill needs to go home. I wonder how far Hillary would have gotten without leaning on her impeached husband?? She really can’t stand on her own 2 feet. It won’t be long folks, and Obama will lead the way for the Democrats!
Posted by: SUNMAKER777 | April 26, 2008, 10:27 pm 10:27 pm
I totally agree with what others have said here.
Obama pundits have tried to paint a picture of WATTS RIOTS if Obama doesnt win the nomination. Its a direct threat of EXTORTION or blackmail.
They make it seem like Obama has 60 or 70% of the delegates and vote and its being STOLEN from him.
You first have to WIN the nomination before its STOLEN from you.
Neither can win. The superdelegates have to decide.
Secondly, Obama has a 2 1/2 % lead in delegates, and a 1% lead in the vote . And thats NOT counting Michigan and Florida.
Wow!!! what a big difference !!!!
Its a virtual tie.
Most polls have a MARGIN OF ERROR larger than this.
Posted by: tomdavie | April 26, 2008, 10:59 pm 10:59 pm
Bill Clinton has done absolutely nothing wrong. Obama and his cronies and the pro-Obama media are just trying to marginalize Bill Clinton by spreading this disgusting propaganda. They know Bill Clinton is very popular and was a fantastic President who left George Bush a huge surplus which Bush has squandered and bankrupt our country. Therefore, this disgusting propaganda by Obama and his cronies is just a strategic maneuver to try and marginalize Bill Clinton.
Posted by: Doreen | April 26, 2008, 11:31 pm 11:31 pm
Strange how Bill Clinton was loved, adored and admired by the majority of the Black community for many years until he was up against one of their own.
Now he is evil personified they no longer have a need for him. Talk about turn on and eat your own.
All these blinkered people up on their high horses condemn all including friends. I am a very fair open minded person who has suddenly been called racist for the first time in 40 years simply because I do not choose the Black candidate nothing more.
The members of the Black congress have pressured their own members to choose Barack because of colour.
Members of the Black community have called non supporters of Obama uncle tom and worse. Everything I say I now have to second guess just incase in the current climate it can be misconstued as racist.
I am shattered that this is happeneing and I freely acknowledge there are racists out there against Obama but this race problem in this primary is going both ways.
I am not a racist and I simply ask that people on both sides consider this as they casually throw accusations around.
I am sorry but I see only one reeason for this comment by Clyburn and it is purely political not noble. His comments are in response to what form the past week? He is fuelling a fire.
Posted by: enough | April 27, 2008, 12:23 am 12:23 am
Everyone has good points, but here is my perspective. As a 44 year old black man, I was a John Edward supporter. Why? Because he stood for the common person of all colors and there are more common people than rich people. Sean Hannity stated on his radio show that the republicans represent PROMINENT americans – not all americans are PROMINENT. I didn’t know whom I wanted to vote for after Edwards until Hillary started WHINING about receiving questions first and the pillow thing. Personally, I think she would complain about receiving a phone call @ 3 a.m. I am voting for Obama because of that, plus, Hillary and Bill are teaming up against him. I like the Clintons but their tactics are suspect. Everyone is talking race – lets don’t forget about the beginning of his campaign. People didn’t want to vote for Obama because of his name, he’s a muslim (rumors), a pic of him in middle eastern wear, now that he’s black. He never renounced nor denounced his bi-racial heritage but if any of u know anything about black – black supercedes or dominates any other color – that’s a fact people!!! That’s why he’s considered black. He didn’t start the race card – the media did because of Jeremiah Wright. He has every right to attend a church for whatever reason but does not have to agree with all sermons – that particular church does more than just sermons. All non obama supporters want to use that as an excuse not to vote for him. Now it’s to the forefront that some white voters feel uncomfortable about voting for a BLACK man. Give me a fricken break! How do u feel uncomfortable about voting for a person of color? That is so ignorant – so back in the sixties and beyond. We helped build this country, we fought for this country and they can’t vote for a black? There’s nothing Obama can do right in their racist eyes. So far all the white presidents have jakked this country up, let us have a go at it! This current good ol boy president is the worst of my lifetime and all people should be ashamed of him – I am. Bill and Hillary are hypocrits about Obama not being tough enough because of the Penn. debate. She started whining first back in March remember? All of u know that Michigan and Florida broke the rules and now all of a sudden Hillary and all of her lovers want to ignore regulations for her convenience. If it were reversed (for Obama), many of u would cry foul! Now because of that, should they steal the nomination from Obama since he has won fair and square and followed all rules, then I will not be proud of this country either and I have served and still do in the U.S. military. This current administration has used executive privilege like toilet paper. They’ve ignored all rules and regulations, they don’t talk to the american people. Bush never admits when he’s wrong. And lets not forget, Bush refused to talk to an all black forum a few years ago and all of the republican frontrunners (McCain, Guilianni, Romney) failed to debate in front of a black caucus. Now that tells me how they feel about African americans – McCain will never get my vote because African americans are NOT second class citizens. Hillary needs Barack more than he needs her. If he can’t win without the white vote, she damn sure can’t win without the black.
Posted by: MAC | April 27, 2008, 12:57 am 12:57 am
Is Hillary Clinton the Presidential
Candidate? Hard to Tell!
Posted by: reaganfan | April 27, 2008, 1:00 am 1:00 am
Great.
There is just one thing left – to let him rule this country in his mad mood.
He certainly will. Than hillary will tell – he misspoke, I did not mean that.
and day after day.
This is the Hell we are looking for in presidency?????
Posted by: Linda, Florida | April 27, 2008, 1:18 am 1:18 am
Has anyone noticed that prior to a major primary the race card is played by the dnc and obama campaign.
Hillary has every right to stay in the race. Its not over until its over.
Obama has not been vetted. More will come out of the rezko trial . Can’t wait.
Posted by: Carol | April 27, 2008, 1:34 am 1:34 am
shevotedforwar……………
Go around and tell people that are passionate about Obama that you are not voting for him and see how good it feels as a decent everyday person to be catergorised as a racist for the first time in your life. I loathe the fact that if I want to discuss this primary this issue continues to crop up and that I have to defend my character. I am not in denial and you have no right to imply otherwise.
Prior to this primary I have never had this infered now it is this uncomfortable thing that hangs in the air. I have noticed that socially with friends we just don’t discuss discuss this primary as we know the subject of race runs in unison to the campaigns. I am talking about friends of many ethnic backgrounds.
Isn’t it strange how you can comment on actions indicating racial motives by the Clintons and expect it is ok to do so because you support the black candidate but if I was to discuss something like Obamas complete support of all Black causes his entire life and no other race until last years charity donations you would call me racist.
You see what you want to see. For example. The Clinton foundation supports a variety of causes at home and abroad benefitting many different social groups and races and has ever since it was established.
Clinton was involved in assisting with Katrina in person,and financially back when it happened and continually up to and including now. Yet you make it self serving no consideration of the altruisim involved. Obama went down there like he was there long lost friend during the primary except it is his only visit since it happened and promised to help once they make him President. So who is using the Black community for political gain here ????????????? Try looking with both eyes that is all I have been asking.
Posted by: enough | April 27, 2008, 2:11 am 2:11 am
I really resent the Obama bloggers who go through ancient history to scout up garbage about their competion!
Bill Clinton will go down in history as aone hell-of-a-fantastic president….
AND as a friend and supporter of minorities.
In fact, until this election…..he jokingly called our first Black President.
Of course, this title WAS just a joke, because Warren Harding was actually the first black president….. but that’s nbesides the point!
Bill Clinton was/is not a perfect person. He had sex with an unmarried young woman.
He was not the first man to do so.
Aside from John Kennedy , there was also Franklin Delano Roosevelt, among others.
But never before have the sins of the husband been (so repetitively) visited on the wife or child!
And LOOK at the strength of these wives!
Eleanor Roosevelt was thereafter until the time of her deathrevered for her brilliance and accomplishments within the United Nations.
Jackie Kennedy made thhe headlines for
her fashion and publishing prowess.
Why should Hillary be held back by the pecidilloes (sp) of Bill?
Get over it!
Get on with it!
Vote for Hillary because she’s the one who can get us through the next four difficult years with the least amount of turbulance…..
You might not like her….. but it’s like medicine or vitamins; you take it because it’s good for you.
In this case, Hillary is good for your country!
Posted by: questioner | April 27, 2008, 2:26 am 2:26 am
Outside America people believe that your a nation that has produced excellent preachers, therefore you good believers but your ideas posted here I am sure God is sad.
Why do you say to God when pray to Him?
Plsease you write something ask yourselves is God will be happy with my words?
God doesn’t see colors
Posted by: Ben Yumba | April 27, 2008, 3:02 am 3:02 am
Questioner said:
“Bill Clinton was/is not a perfect person. He had sex with an unmarried young woman.
He was not the first man to do so.
Aside from John Kennedy , there was also Franklin Delano Roosevelt, among others.
But never before have the sins of the husband been (so repetitively) visited on the wife or child!”
*****************************************
First of all, Bill Clinton’s “sin” is not “having sexual relations with that woman”
His sins are…
1. Lying DIRECTLY to the American people about it!
2. Not being man enough or PRESIDENTIAL enough to to accept the consequences of his actions!
3. Wasting the American people’s time and resources for years on his lies and transgressions!
In spite of all that, he still left office with the respect and admiration of the very people that overwhelmingly helped him get elected not once but twice.
His and his wife’s current actions and attitudes as of late in regards to those very same people are what ended the Clintons + African Americans love affair! They’ve repeatedly demonstrated clearly who they really are and where they really stand in regards to the African American community and it has a whole lot less to do with Senator Obama then they’d have you think!
Posted by: Danni | April 27, 2008, 3:13 am 3:13 am
I, for one, am hopping mad at the media for their treatment of Bill Clinton…
I saw the news clip when Bill stated that Obama’s stance on the Iraq war was a fantasy because he [Obama] wasn’t in the Senate at the time and couldn’t vote.
And I saw how the media took that statement and twisted it into something not even remotely accurate, i.e., that Bill Clinton had called Obama’s run for president a fantasy.
I also watched a video of Bill Clinton slumped into a front row pew while a “lady” stood in the pulpit, wagging and stabbing her finger at him, as she took that twisted lie and excoriated him with it. Talk about being railroaded!
The Clintons have served and served and served. When the Clintons left office, Bill had a 65% approval rating from the general public — higher than any president since WW II — despite Ken Starr’s best attempts to find something, anything to take him down … and don’t get me started about Monica Lewinsky. There’s is something terribly, fundamentally wrong with a person who keeps a dress she had sex in, unwashed in her closet for over a year. Enough said on that. Well, maybe a little more … it was Bill’s fault, too … talk about poor judgment, it had to be one of the worst decisions he ever made, the cad. Anyway…
I’ve been trying to figure out how the Clintons went from a 65% approval rating to the abysmal media-bashed and biased culprits of everything from graft to murder … none of which is true.
Then I saw an article by a Hillary hating columnist who casually mentioned that the Clintons were never much for party-going, fancy dinners and photo ops. They made the horrible mistake of being boring … too work oriented. Bad news for those who make their living off of reporting “exciting” events associated with the president.
Of course, Obama has been not only the media darling, but their golden cow of cold, hard cash. Over $200 million raised for his campaign and who has gotten the bulk of that?
Now that columnist is quaking in her shoes … it seems the Clintons are known for giving back-stabbers and the like, a very, very cold shoulder. Guess who won’t be invited to the White House if Hillary makes her dream come true?
So many motives … so little time left, media … gather your flowers while you may….
I hope Hillary wins North Carolina and Indiana by a landslide….
Posted by: SM White, Irvine, CA | April 27, 2008, 3:17 am 3:17 am
My understanding from Clyburn early on in this contest was that he was supposed to stay nuetral in order to get the South Carolina primary moved up. He has never seemed nuetral to me.
I don’t believe Bill Clinton is a racist. I think that Obama’s campaign strategy included afull deck of race cards (with both Clintons and Ferraro and God knows who else)This could be confirmed by any honest journalist if they would review all the “accidently” released memos and correspondence that they have referred to publically throughout this campaign.
Bill Clinton is not as politically sharp as he used to be. However he has done more for Blacks than most public figures. His civil rights record throughout his career is stunning. His AIDS foundation outreach work is probably bigger than the US government’s. His dedication to rebuilding New Orleans and the Black Community and to improved educational resopurces in that area is unparalleled.
I think the Black community has a very short memory and no graditude whatsoever for Bill’s dedication. Bill Clinton has done far more for the Black community than they have ever done for him.
Posted by: Jackie | April 27, 2008, 3:31 am 3:31 am
Clyburn brought up the Monica fiasco again as a talking point for the Obama campaign….From the start of this campaign Obama’s campaign has continually said or done anything to get the nomination….The effective playing of the “race” card with the media’s very real cooperation was designed to get the rest of the Black community on the Obama train.
Wright is in no way a “race” issue. It is an issue of judgement. However when it was a problem for Obama he once again played the “race” card.
At some level even those who are not able to see through the media manipulation feel uneasy about the mislabeling of people as “racists” and situations as “race”.
Did anyone notice how the media told us the race speech was an great and glorius event. Obama was given over an hour in free air time for his campaign.Does anyone remember anything about it except for the fact that a man that spewed anti-American and racist rhetoric was equated with Obama’s grandmother.
Does anyone even know if he stayed in touch with grandma until this campaign? I would bet he saw her less than once a year. I think it was easy for him to “throw her under the bus” I think it’s tough for him to deal with his favorite uncle. As the campaign unfolds I believe more and more that Obama has a lot of beliefs that he shares with Wright.
20 years is a long time not to hear anything…..
Posted by: Jackie | April 27, 2008, 3:45 am 3:45 am
Markymark….Hillary is constantly talking about the issues. And always does. The media gives her little or no play…they have shown us Obama’s stump speech many times.
You can find her speeches through local media outlets in Indiana, Oregon, PA etc,,,she talks a lot more about the issues than Obama. Don’t take my word for it do a little research.
Posted by: Jackie | April 27, 2008, 4:02 am 4:02 am
Gallup: Clinton holds a 3 percentage point advantage over John McCain in the general election contest, while McCain and Obama are tied.
Posted by: libre | April 27, 2008, 4:27 am 4:27 am
Hillary Clinton is using Bill way too much in her campaign. It makes her look so nepotistic and…..needy. She looks as if she can never stand on her own two feet. She leans too much.
Posted by: FilmMD | April 27, 2008, 4:28 am 4:28 am
Bill Clinton? under his presidency we got “The Strongest Economy in a Generation. Longest Economic Expansion in U.S. History. 107th consecutive months of economic expansion — One of the many things America Accomplished during his aministration. Senator Hillary Clinton can do as well, we need her in the White House.
Posted by: libre | April 27, 2008, 4:54 am 4:54 am
To Jackie,
Good points, good posts, great job! I couldn’t have said it better myself. Though I don’t know if Obama had this stuff “planned” per se, as far as I can tell it was the original twisting of Bill’s statement about Obama’s position on the war that started this whole “Bill is a racist” BS.
The way people talk, like they know the Clintons personally, is astounding, attributing all sorts of motives, etc., while all the good the Clintons have done for minorities and the disadvantaged drops out of view.
The Obamas profound — I repeat, profound — absence of any sort of recognition of the progress that’s been made in civil rights, affirmative action and non-discrimination poliies is appalling. So far from any sense of gratitude or appreciation for how much better things are now … and therefore no discussion on building on the good … only pointing out the failings and promising to fix it all for us … as if we have done nothing … as if we are invisible.
One other shared complaint: Hillary spends way more time on the issues than she does on Obama and yet, from the lopsided media coverage, you have a hard time seeing that. The media just makes me pray harder for fairness.
Of course, it isn’t as exciting as watching Obama bowl or play basketball. You know, the guy who wants us all to stop focusing on distractions?
Posted by: SM White, Irvine, CA | April 27, 2008, 4:56 am 4:56 am
I don’t agree with everything that Bill say and sometimes he doesn’t convey his message very well these days. I realise as a former President his words are given more scrutiny than any other spouse. Yet after his knocks he didn’t go to ground and his wife didn’t hide him away. They accept it as part and parcel of public life and face up to their critics. Unlike some.
Posted by: enough | April 27, 2008, 4:58 am 4:58 am
S.M White You are right, is like Obama belongs to another fictional party, because he and his supporters not only do not recognize the accomplishments of Democrats, but they twist them and trash them.
Posted by: libre | April 27, 2008, 5:03 am 5:03 am
Actually Michelle Obama worn out her wellcome in her first comment “I am proud of my country for the first time” and that phrase was already too much talking, but she came back to say that “I’m tired of Americans ignorance” and “Americans are just mean”
Posted by: libre | April 27, 2008, 5:09 am 5:09 am
I think Bill is on the verge of a nervous breakdown. He is sounding more and more desperate and psychotic every day. His people need to rein him for his own sake.
Posted by: Bob, DC | April 27, 2008, 7:27 am 7:27 am
How many of Bill Clinotn’s critics have accomplished one millionth of what he accomplished as our Two Term President. Ok, aware of all the crap that did not, I mean did not affect any one.
1) Longest Economic Expansion in the modern History of US.
2)Only President that actually balanced the budget and left office with a surplus.
3) Created more jobs than any other President in peace time.
4) Moved more people out of poverty
5) Revived Harlem after leaving Office
6) Aids work in World Wide by getting Drug companies to sell drugs cheap
While it is very fashionable to criticize him Bill Clinton and how much money he made after leaving office, how about talking about his accomplishments as President and as a Private Citizen after leaving office.
Brothers, sit back and search you soul truthfully, intelligently and unbiased by the color of anyones skin. Remember, racism is a double edged sword!
Posted by: Simple Truth | April 27, 2008, 7:54 am 7:54 am
Black and White…All the comments this week from Bill and Clyburn were just tactics. This race is clearly a power play struggle in the party. I think Nancy Pelosi may have her eye on the VP slot with Obama. The democratic presidential losers from the past elections want more power, and the freshman elected in last couple elections see a chance to skip over established congressman and senaters and gain more power in the party. Just like there has been a quasi civil war in Irag, there is a civil war in the party, left vs. middle, new vs. old. A case could be made for either Obama or Clinton, but at the end of day whom ever wins will have the power in the party, choose carefuly!!
Posted by: Jim | April 27, 2008, 8:11 am 8:11 am
Brothers don’t like the truth.
How many Social Activists including MLK have passed any legislation? Believe it is impossible according to US Constitution. While MLK was a great Civil Rights Activist, he could not have passed a single Civil Rights Law, it did take LBJ to get it done.
Monady morning Quarter Backing on the War is great but he didn’t have to make decision so it is mute point. If he did, he would have either voted for it, voted present (suppose, only possible Illinois), not shown up. Would not have voted against it because he is too ambitious and a political animal.
Ted Kennedy voted against it because he has no where to go any more and voters in Mass sends him back every time because he brings them bacon (no, steak) every year.
Obama’s judgement doesn’t seem impeccable now as he claims it is. Past and present Associations, unempathetic comments, and clinging to inspiration, hope and change without describing them.
Posted by: Indenpendent | April 27, 2008, 8:25 am 8:25 am
I – perhaps like many, many others – am FED-UP with the campaign. The villification has gone too far. I always knew in the back of my mind that this campaign would come down to a race fight and I pretty much now feel sorry for Obama, because President and Mrs. Clinton and their advisors know very well what hurts and what works. If Senator Obama responds, they will say “Yuh see! he is playing the race card.” If he doesn’t debate, they will say “Yuh see, he is afraid to face her” and so it goes, and so it goes. They will maximize their tactics at every opportunity. BUT AT WHAT COST TO WHOM?
Posted by: exatlantic | April 27, 2008, 8:37 am 8:37 am
Can anyone tell me where in the Judicial System or the Constitution of The United States does it mention that someone can be found guilty by association?
Can anyone tell me, is Reverend Wright one of the candidates? Has his church been emptied all to one man and his family?
Senator Obama is a decent human being, who is now probably only staying in the race to the white house out of sheer pride. How will he survive and overcome the abuse? How does he get up every day and get back out there. Maybe he should go on national television and cry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: exatlantic | April 27, 2008, 8:43 am 8:43 am
simple truth,
thanks for being another voice telling the truth.
my american people
forget all of that crap you carry on about HRC and not trusting her.
she will deliver
think about what she is saying will be done.
she has the best plans
obama only copies,
if you want healthcare,economy back on track,etc hi;;ary will deliver.
obama does not have the will
look at all of the attacks from the media on sen. clinton and she just keeps right on marching with the truth
not distracted, not floundering
obama had a few hard questions toward him
and he is caving=will not debate
will not answer questions
just wants to make the big speeches
he was already stumbling and fumbling
when asked questions-now he really stumbles.
I can remember when bush started saying he did not want to debate-there was a reason for that.-and we have over slowly found out why.and it has hurt us
in the long run.
better we hear obama debate, and take the hard questions now and let him suffer a little
that to give him a pass and we suffer in the long run for it.
it is his all that he keeps telling people he is-let him debate sen. clinton
and let some of the undecided voters see them together.
Posted by: jgaw | April 27, 2008, 8:51 am 8:51 am
Get a grip people.19% of people polled in Pa said race was a factor, so yes, there are some scared bigots in PA. This white female stands behind Barack 100%. Obama has no problem with white voters. His rallies show a sea of white faces, young and old that believe in him. PA was an overblown media spin. Let’s quit with all the racial bs and come together as Democrats for the good of this country and our party. Do you wish the media to start saying that Hill uses the gender card? That will be the next hot button distraction.
Posted by: mandm | April 27, 2008, 10:01 am 10:01 am
I used to have respect for Bill Clinton (in spite of the Monica scandal) and voted for him both times. However, this dirty campaign that has been run by Bill and Hillary and the numerous insensitive off the cuff remarks by Bill Clinton has caused me to lose any respect that I may have had. Bill Clinton has destroyed any decent legacy that he may have had.
Posted by: PhilBgood | April 27, 2008, 10:46 am 10:46 am
for those who say “they had respect for bill and hill,but do not anymore because they have run a dirty campaign.
and really believes obama is the above the fray , hope and change candidate
should read about how obama started his political rise and read about alice palmer.
Mr. obama is a new kind of politician though
he has not lived the black american experience-and he has them flocking to him like sheep-asking nothing of him.
mr.obama has not lived the white american experience-and they flock to him like sheep
actually mr. obama has not lived the american experience at all.
when he came back to the us-he was in a prestigeous university.
it is well doc. about the work that sen. clinton did when she got out of law school-the people she worked for and with are still alive to tell.
has anyone really checked into this work that obama keeps telling us about he did after law school? how long did he do it? what were the circumstances?
and what was the outcome of his involvement?
as far as bill clinton legacy
the clintons have their foundation that is serving people not just in the us but all around the world. it is an established institution.
and even though the black people have done what they have done to the clintons. the clintons will continue to try and help level the playing field for all americans because it is the right thing to do.
not just for political posturing
such as obama.
the clinton legacy is good and it is intact.
words against good deeds
good deeds always win out.
no matter what you say.
the clintons will continue to do good.
and when the cure for aids comes along
the world will have the clintons and many others to thank.
legacy intact
Posted by: jgaw | April 27, 2008, 11:41 am 11:41 am
Truth be told, Bill and Hill have made it difficult for either candidate to win in the fall. If HRC manages to steal the nomination, many blacks and many of the the young new voters energized by Obama’s campaign will either vote for McCain or not vote at all. And whether HRC supporters want to believe it or not, she is more disliked now than when she was when she started her campaign due to her and Bill’s own behavior. She will go to ANY extreme to win what she perceives to be her right. And by the way, she won PA by 10 points. Huge win since she was ahead by 20 points the month before???????????
Posted by: truth be told | April 27, 2008, 12:50 pm 12:50 pm
The way its going, Hillary and Obama will cancel each other out and the Democrats will have zilch come elections time…and America continues to suffer.
Posted by: Brown | April 27, 2008, 1:23 pm 1:23 pm
Mr. clyburn seems to be saying that only black people will vote for BO.
Posted by: where the beef? | April 27, 2008, 1:31 pm 1:31 pm
BO supporter Jessie Jr was the first BO to use the race card when he subjected that Hillary didn’t cry for the the Katrina victims!!! Then BO used the race card in SC and when Bill responded clyburn said “chill”. Well Obama has used dirty politics since 2007!!!
Posted by: where the beef? | April 27, 2008, 1:36 pm 1:36 pm
BO can’t win the GE. BO is tearing the party apart. The supers know this! BO needs to spend more time with his family.
Posted by: where the beef? | April 27, 2008, 1:40 pm 1:40 pm
This is so like the Democrats. When Bill was in office it was ok for him to talk like a village idiot. Now it’s not? The Clintons have not changed since Bill was deemed our first black President. The democrats thought at that time, even though he was impeached, that he was the next best thing since sliced bread. Now the democrats can’t believe he’s acting as he is? Just like the democrats not knowing what they stand for!
Posted by: rdotx | April 27, 2008, 3:18 pm 3:18 pm
“Obama supporters are more highly educated and articulate.”
Not necessarily. I have two post-graduate degrees and I am supporting Hillary. I know many folks with college and post-graduate degrees who are also supporting her.
Posted by: J | April 27, 2008, 3:19 pm 3:19 pm
No, we are not tired of President Bill Clinton. He has a right to feel the way he does. After all he has done for African Americans through out his years of public service, its as if they have abandoned the Clintons just because a Mixed (Black and White) person is running for office. What about the loyalty for all of the work and support the Clintons provided before Obama came into the picture? I guess Race trumps it all!
Posted by: Keith | April 27, 2008, 3:48 pm 3:48 pm
Of course it is about race ! And what a presidential race it is !
Posted by: Dan | April 27, 2008, 3:58 pm 3:58 pm
Bill loves the blacks but its obvious that Obama dislikes us whites!
Posted by: Alfredbutts | April 27, 2008, 4:16 pm 4:16 pm
Bill Clinton has revealed himself to be what he was all along: a racist hillbilly.
Many of his and her remarks have a racist undertone: Jesse Jackson remark intended to trivialize Obama win in SC, Hillary’s “as far as I know.” when asked if Obama is a Muslim. These are just two of the many remarks the Clintons have made that have a demeaning overtone. Hillary is down in number of states won, number of delegates won, number caucuses won, number of he popular vote.
The only area in which Hillary is leading is in the number of lies told.
Posted by: jbate | April 27, 2008, 4:25 pm 4:25 pm
Keith:
Consider this: Black people have been voting for white people since 1870 when they were first given the right to vote. Are you really surprised that they would vote for qualified black man when given the opportunity. Or should they vote for a white woman who not only is part of the status quo of the last 30 years, but is manifestly not as qualified as the black man.
And why do the Clintons raise the issue of race at every opportunity. Because they want everyone to know Obama is black and the implication is, for that reason alone, they should vote for her.
Posted by: jbate | April 27, 2008, 4:33 pm 4:33 pm
ENOUGH! STOP USING THE TERM “RACE CARD” MY GOD, YOU GUYS HAVE TOTALLY WORN IT OUT FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS! GET OVER IT! YOU WANT TO KNOW WHO’S PULLING THE “RACE CARD”? WE ARE, IF OBAMA OR CLINTON IS NOT WHERE WE WANT THEM TO BE WE ARE THE ONES WHO SAY, “IT WAS THE….RACE CARD” FOR CRYING OUT LOUD, MAY THE BEST MAN WIN.
Posted by: ugh! | April 27, 2008, 5:05 pm 5:05 pm
J Bate,
I understand that this is the first time Black people are able to vote for a Black candidate for president but that should not be the only criteria. My argument with you is that Hillary Clinton is much more qualified to be president right now. Obama has NO foreign policy experience……none…..which is so important at this moment in time….Obama needs to learn the ropes some more…..he really needs to accept the VP spot so he can learn and then run again after Hillary and he will win. Right now, he is not the one for the job. getting back to Bill Clinton…he has done so many good things for African Americans and it is very very sad to see how they have just turned their backs on him and Hillary. It’s as if their support in previous years meant nothing….it is very very sad.
Posted by: Keith | April 27, 2008, 5:08 pm 5:08 pm
The Clintons have always tried to divide an conquer, then they try to tell people the media is the one to blame.
Newsweek recently had an article mentioning all of the countries Hillary has upset by her comments. If Hillary had any understanding of foreign governments, she would not have upset allies like Great Britain, Irish Protestants, New Zealand, and Bosnia.
Her comments about Putin and Russia have guaranteed another cold war is she is elected president. Only this time, America is dependant on Russian oil.
Posted by: Debbie | April 27, 2008, 5:59 pm 5:59 pm
Obviously Bill has worn out his welcome.
The Latino community is very upset at the Clintons for their venom toward Richardson and Gabriel Guerra-Mondragon.
Latinos feel Bill and Hillary used them. We have a good memory and will never support a Clinton again.
Posted by: Juanita | April 27, 2008, 6:03 pm 6:03 pm
Well, it’s coming up a contest in a state with a high African American population so time for the black politicians to make up some phoney race thing about Hillary Clinton. Trying to make Obama unelectable so she can run in 2012? Oh, yeah, go through this campaign hell just to keep Obama from winning so she can run in four years and then go through this hell again? If the African American community is dumb enough to swallow that whole, then I have no sympathy for them at all whatsoever! Fortunately, there have already been AA’s saying that Clyburn is not authorized to speak for them. Clyburn, you can fool some of the people some of the time….but you can’t fool the whole AA community all of the time. Bill Clinton has been working to restore housing destroyed by Katrina, getting cheap aids medications to underpreviliged countries and various other good works. I think he should be welcome anywhere in this country.
Posted by: jkr | April 27, 2008, 6:10 pm 6:10 pm
The Clintons are bad for America. They teach our kids that cheating and lying is ok.
Posted by: democratfor08 | April 27, 2008, 6:16 pm 6:16 pm
Bill Clinton is showing some chinks in
his black armor. His faithful steed,
Hillary, tho, looks none the worse for
wear.
Ride on, ride on to victory.
Posted by: hombre | April 27, 2008, 6:22 pm 6:22 pm
Unless one of your parents was Black and one was White, you really have no business talking about “embracing” and “denoucing” parts of someone’s heritage. My late father was Black, my mother is White and my heritage comes from both of them. However, my racial identity was made quite clear to me on my first day of kindergarten when the a little boy yelled out to the teacher, “I don’t want to sit next to a n****r.” Racial identity is something that society determines for you because of how you look, it is not something determined by personal preference or choice. I’m now 55 years old, and have yet to have anyone refer to me as “White”, even with my mother standing next to me.
Posted by: Teachfor53 | April 27, 2008, 6:27 pm 6:27 pm
democrats are showing what they truly stand for-a devisive america- the utopian speeches about uniting america and helping the poor are mere political manuver to score political points but yet their records shows their liberal and uncompromising stance.
Posted by: sgmisa | April 27, 2008, 7:26 pm 7:26 pm
Hi Tina D,
How could anybody hold the Clinton’s in high esteem. I’m trying to raise three kids and teach them about right and wrong in this world. How do I explain the behavior of Mr. Clinton in the White House and all the lies that both Clintons have told over the years. I’m not trying to support Obama here but the Clintons are not good people – they are cheaters and liars – and I’m sure criminals in the eyes of some.
I’m voting anybody but Clinton for the sake of my kids.
Posted by: democratfor08 | April 27, 2008, 7:26 pm 7:26 pm
Please no Clintons for the sake of my family. We cana’t have liars and cheaters in the White House – what message does that send to our kids – yes, its fine to lie and cheat on your spouse etc.
I’m voting for anybody other than Clinton. Please lose HRC for the good of the US and the world.
Posted by: democratfor08 | April 27, 2008, 7:28 pm 7:28 pm
Bill Clinton, in my opinion, is why Hillary cannot win this election. If she takes the nomination she will not win in November. Too many Americans remember eight years of dishonesty, scandals and lying. I am a life long Democrat but if Hillary wins, I will leave the party. The Clinton’s have made a mockery of the presidency and I blame them for the mess we are in now with Bush. When Clinton left office the economy was good, so there was absolutely no reason that Gore should not have won. The reason was, in my opinion, because people were disgusted and fed up with the Clintons and the backlash was against the Democratic nominee. If we as Democrats stick together and vote the party ticket…we can’t lose simply because there are more Democrats than Republicans. Disgust with the Clintons and all the scandals that haunted their administration is the reason people voted Republican in 2000. There is no way I would subject the country to the Clintons again even if it means voting Republican. At least McCain is a decent person. Can’t say the same for Hillary or Bill.
Posted by: Gretchenmom | April 27, 2008, 10:44 pm 10:44 pm
Now Dean is trying to tell Us that Hillary and Obama are now in a dead heat! Can you beleive that stuff ???? She got by a bunch of Pennheads, and now she is in a dead heat!
I saw that comming. I knew they would try to force Hilly down our throats and that is why I have changed my affilation to independent and I urge all the Obama followers to do the same. If Obama is not on the ballot, we can still write him in and at the same time, get even with all these “super delagates” that sold us out!!!
Leave it to those idiots in the Penn State to keep this going……what idiots!!! When the democrats loose this one, you know what state to thank!
Posted by: Dave Peck | April 27, 2008, 11:07 pm 11:07 pm
The heck with these super delagates…we need to bust up this Bush/Clinton deal once and for all…..I’ll just vote for McCain. It may leave a bitter taste in my mouth but at least it won’t be a Clinton or a bush again………
Posted by: Dave Peck | April 27, 2008, 11:13 pm 11:13 pm
I am proud of everyone here that has said how corrupt the Clinton regime is. I was very young when Clinton was in office, but I know far too well the corruption that came with him. I am also aware of the racism that is carrying Senator Obama. I think it is sickening to see black people vote for someone just because he’s black. They vote for him because they’re tired of white racists, but the way I see it, there are more white people voting for Obama than black people for Clinton or McCain proportionally. To me this says that the BLACKS are actually the racists. I am sick and tired of racists, I am ready to see America be what it’s supposed to be, which is a diverse country unified under one belief and love for the country which our Founding Fathers created!
Posted by: Joel | April 28, 2008, 1:50 am 1:50 am
Joel:
Are you sick, or what? To infer that black people vote for Obama simply because he is black is an insult. Blacks have been voting for white men since 1870; it just that now the best candidate happens to be black. The other candidate is from the “32 years” of the status quo. Her so-called experience is bogus and her credibility is in the pits.
Posted by: jbate | April 28, 2008, 2:08 am 2:08 am
President Bill Clinton has not made one racist remark when touring The United States. He has a deep affection for African Americans. Why are they forgetting him. He is very fair, just as Obama is. President Clinton has done nothing wrong; he has only tried to campaign fairly for his wife (he dearly loves his wife and is very proud of her)…Obama’s name doesn’t even seem to be brought up during Clinton’s events/rallys and I’ve attended many of Clinton’s events.
Senator Clinton is very strong and she WILL get the job done for us. We need her. It is not a Clinton or Bush legacy…it’s about Senator Clinton finally having a chance to help the American people. She has a passion to help us…that is all she wants. She doesn’t want power; she wants to help the American people as she has always done. Please give her the job (look at her resume). You will not be disappointed. She will not quit; she will not give up; she will fight for all of us until things in this country are right again. She is not a quitter and that is what we need in a leader.
One last point, why will Senator Obama not debate Hillary in Indiana? Is he afraid that she is the better candidate? He has time to play basketball here, why can’t he take some time to do some old fashioned debating?
If he were to be nominated, the Republicans will eat him alive….Senator Clinton’s baggage has been out there for many years and it is over with. It’s in the past….what can the Republicans tell us that we do not already know about the Clintons?
Chris in Indiana
Posted by: Chris | April 28, 2008, 2:46 am 2:46 am
To the previous comment,
President Bill Clinton seemed to be giving a sympothatic remark to Obama, not a negative remark. He was sticking up for the guy! The poor guy had to decide when he came to the mainland to be “black” or “white”….he must have had some confusion with his identity and where to go with it. He chose to go to an African American church and have an African American family. What’s wrong with that? President Clinton didn’t say anything negative, he was only speaking what Barack himself has expressed.
That being said, how many Americans know that he went by the name Barry Obama his first 18 years or so?
His hand over his heart during the pledge; I think we all learned that around the first grade. Barry, if I’m not mistaken, was in a Muslim school during this time in Indonesia (must not have received the lesson).
However, my main point that I’d like for people to take a look at is this:
Why did he wait so long to take a good, hard look at his church? Doesn’t that say something about Obama’s character? Didn’t even Oprah Winfrey distance herself from the same church a few years back?
Let’s wait about 4-8 years and get to know the guy a little better and maybe, just maybe, he might be one of the greatest leaders of all time, maybe.
Chris in Indiana (where it is really starting to count here, finally!!!)
Posted by: Chris | April 28, 2008, 3:03 am 3:03 am
To jbate:
She was in the cabinet meetings and General’s meeting throughout President Clinton’s presidency. You might want to do your homework on that one. She has immense experience. She has worked for American families (like us) for over 35 years; she has worked with foreign countries. She is backed by Generals and the military! She is very strong and she WILL get the job done for you and for me. She WILL fight for us! She is an amazing woman. I hope that you get a chance to realize this.
Chris in Indiana (where we are the so called “tie-breaker”)…”Clinton country”
Indiana is ours! I hope that you’re not from Michigan or Florida, what an injustice there (I would be so upset if I resided there)! I thought this was America!
Posted by: chris | April 28, 2008, 3:14 am 3:14 am
So now to Rezko we have to ad Blackwell as beneficiary of Obama’s “favors” with the Illinois taxpayers money in exchange for financial personal gain. Obama is a liar and a dirty old style POLITICIAN.
Posted by: libre | April 28, 2008, 4:24 am 4:24 am
jbate where was Obama on Feb 4 1999? He did not go to work at the Senate in Illinois.
Posted by: libre | April 28, 2008, 4:27 am 4:27 am
President Clinton has done absolutely nothing to deserve this type of treatment.
Americans that were babies at the time he was in office don’t understand what a great President Clinton was.
We should feel blessed to have him anywhere near the White House.
He is the last person anyone should call a racist. This man has supported and has done more for African Americans than any other president. For African Americans to turn on him is cruel.
President Clinton balanced our budget, mended ties internationally and stood up for all of America. He is not liked but LOVED not just in America, but throughout the world.
Please stop falling for the comments said “fairy tale” and whatever silly thing the media has tried to spin into being a racist remark.
This is discusting to think that anyone black or white would even consider this man a racist.
Wake up America.
Be grateful he is helping to win the White House for the Democratic Party.
He is a PLUS for all Americans.
Posted by: Rick from Pa | April 28, 2008, 6:12 am 6:12 am
President Clinton has done absolutely nothing to deserve this type of treatment.
Americans that were babies at the time he was in office don’t understand what a great President Clinton was.
We should feel blessed to have him anywhere near the White House.
He is the last person anyone should call a racist. This man has supported and has done more for African Americans than any other president. For African Americans to turn on him is cruel.
President Clinton balanced our budget, mended ties internationally and stood up for all of America. He is not liked but LOVED not just in America, but throughout the world.
Please stop falling for the comments said “fairy tale” and whatever silly thing the media has tried to spin into being a racist remark.
This is discusting to think that anyone black or white would even consider this man a racist.
Wake up America.
Be grateful he is helping to win the White House for the Democratic Party.
He is a PLUS for all Americans.
Posted by: Rick from Pa | April 28, 2008, 6:12 am 6:12 am
Rick from Pa – You are wrong to say that Bill Clinton did nothing to deserve the criticism. I remember those years well and history will not look at Bill Clinton kindly because of the “legacy” he left. One scandal after another, one lie after another, he helped destroy any trust or respect that people felt for the office. To me, great presidents inspire trust – not destroy it. Great presidents bring honor and respect to the office – not disgrace it. A balanced budget does not make up for the psycological damage he inflicted on this country and Hillary has already shown she has a dislike for the truth like her husband. Both are power hungry to the point where it is sick. I don’t want them anywhere near the white house again. If she wins – hide the dishes.
Posted by: Gretchenmom | April 28, 2008, 8:27 am 8:27 am
Hillary will do or say anything to win this election. Truth has no place in her campaign unless it serves her agenda. Remember, the Clintons are a package deal. There won’t be an intern in the White House who will be safe. The Clintons are old news. There’s nothing exciting or innovative going on in that campaign.
McCain better come up with a good running mate. He’s older than dirt and will not make it through the first four years intact.
The only candidate without political baggage is Barack. He may be young and he may be inexperienced, but he has potential. He’s smart. He’ll take us to a level of leadership that we haven’t seen in years. Give me something new and exciting.
Posted by: Judith | April 28, 2008, 9:38 am 9:38 am
The Blacks supported Oj too. That was a good choice
Posted by: kidding | April 28, 2008, 9:50 am 9:50 am
Good grief, what a heading! Both Clintons are wearing out their welcome. Bush (VP), Bush, Clinton, Clinton, Bush, Bush, and now another Clinton? When did we get an imperial presidency with lines of succession? Who’s next? Laura, then Chelsea, then Jenna?
L.
Posted by: L.E.B. | April 28, 2008, 11:08 am 11:08 am
I know hillary personally and she is deceptive in all terms,handing out inauguration invites to college students through chelsea,how low she has not even been nominated
Posted by: sneakei | April 28, 2008, 11:44 am 11:44 am
I really admire some of you folk’s passion for your respective candidates. However, I think it would be wise to remember that this campaign is not about Barrack Obama or Hillary Clinton or John McCain…it is supposed to be about us and moving from a stagnant, backwards America. I swear some of you people act just like children with the personal assaults and mischaracterizations and downright lies. Take a deep breath already!
For the record, I haven’t heard any of the candidates outright make race an issue in this contest! I have noticed that their respective supporters have done a pretty good job of muddling this fact.
The bottom line is that the “status quo” Americans are not going to be the King makers on this one. People who have traditionally voted the Republican and Democratic line will in all likelihood continue to do so. The key to this campaigns success will lie in the new voters and switch over votes.
So for Christ’s sake, will some of you people please back off of the personal insults and attacks. I am an Obama supporter and I am African-American as well. I will defend HRC’s right to try to win to the end, and any right minded Democrat should feel the same way. However, if she does win the nomination, what kind of a fool would I be by supporting the other guy, who clearly does not share any of my views or interests?
I think it is time for all Democrats to get out of the gutter with this personal crap and take the high ground on this campaign and on these issues. Yes the candidates are going to go after each other…this is politics! It does not matter if the race card, sex card, or whatever card is played, these candidates are trying to win and we should not blame them.
Posted by: ruthella10 | April 28, 2008, 11:46 am 11:46 am
Yeah, well Obama’s camp has been saying things that bug a lot more groups since the beginning. Is that where the BO camp wants to go now? Okay, lets talk about who insulted who more, we have quite a list on the insults you and your camp dish out Obama whether in alluding, insinuating or straight out saying things. So far anyone who doesn’t support you, according to YOU, is a gun toting, bible thumping, uneducated, old, lunch bucket, racist who don’t appreciate WORDS you fling at us because we don’t know you. Well, we know enough; that’s why we’re NOT voting for you.
Posted by: irma | April 28, 2008, 12:17 pm 12:17 pm
Look who’s talking. He is the one playing the race card. He used the recial card again as an EXCUSE for his speech. There is nothing wrong witht eh Black church. What is wrong is you and Obama who keeps lying to the entire Americans.
Is this another Obama tactics. Latest Obama’s tactic is to have give a long speech (of I mean church sermon) last Sunday to see how good their is. But that is not the issue. The issue is that both of them LIED adn trying to mislead again the American people saying good things. You can not fool the Americans. He said that Black preacher shouts when they preach. There is nothing wrong with shouting when preaching. What is wrong is that he shout and mocked the entire nation specifially after the 9/11 attack. He also saif that Obama is just a politician. He is just ot win the white house. He is also politician by giving his speech (sermon I mean) to cover up the bad comments he made.
You and Obama lied and does not take responsobility of what you said. Instead you both make reason to justify you irresponsible and very degrading comments. You can not fool America at this time.
Beware North Carolinians and Indianians….Obama lied and just a Politician.
Mr. Wright, CNN interview, said Obama condemned his comments about american because Obama is a Politician. Yeah right, Obama wants to get away with it condemning Wirght’s comments to get oput of trouble and still fool the Americans and the younger voters. Good job lying Obama. You don’t tale responsibility for your action. You are a disgrace for all North Carolinians and Indianians. What’s new? Obama lied just like Wright, Rezco and Ayers and he will continue to lie and overspent the voter’s money just to win but still the loser.
Richardson suddenly came out at CNN after Hillary won Pennsylvannia. Why are you afraid? Yes you are because f Hilalry wins your personal ambition and interest will disappear. Richardson cannot be trusted and a traitor. Don’t vote for him when runs for a Senator. He belongs to Wright, Rezco and Ayer who join any group or fraternity where he will benefit and not the Americans.
Obama’s motto and theme should be Pay per Vote. Obama overspent in Pennsylvannia and still came out the loser.
Look at the facts as to how strong Hillary is:
Obama lost in Pennsylvannia in spite of endorsement by a Senator and overspending in ads, 5 to 1.
Obama lost in Texas and Ohio even overspending in ads and manipulating info in Ohio.
Obama lost in California even though Oprah, Maria Shriver, and Katherine Kennedy endorsed him.
Obama lost Massachusetts even though Kennedy and John Kerry endorsed him.
Hillary won the big states and has more electoral college votes to date than Obama that is crucial in November.
Obama lost the big states even though the media is most of the time unfair with Hillary and always positive to Obama.
Wake up superdelegates! You will make the right choice if you pick Hillary.
Obama mocked the Pennsylvannians and the entire nation, which is so irresponsible and very degrading to all Americans. He is just like Wright who mocked the Americans and like Rezco and Ayers who we can’t trust.
Before you can have CHANGE, we first need SOLUTIONS and that is HILLARY.
Wake up superdelegates!
Posted by: Alfredo | April 28, 2008, 12:33 pm 12:33 pm
Hilliary can’t win with him, and she certainly can’t win without him, therfor, she CAN’T win! But if you want to divide the party and elect John McCain, just keep it up Bill and Hill. No wonder you were a “Goldwater girl”, and Bill has always been more Republican than Democrat from the beginning. So I guess you really are working to elect John McCain. Strange bedfellows, indeed.
Posted by: Zdnet | April 28, 2008, 12:41 pm 12:41 pm
Obama is the DIVIDER who kissed up to the Republican vote during the DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY for starters. When we voiced that we didn’t like that, he had plenty of insults to fling at DEMOCRATS who supported Hillary. He isn’t loyal to DEMOCRATS. He, like his kindred spirit; Wright, solely cares about his self promotion even if he has to demonize and divide us to do it. As long as there is a perceived “enemy” (people who support Hillary) against him, he apparently thinks that will get him into the Presidency.
Posted by: irma | April 28, 2008, 12:53 pm 12:53 pm
To JKR; Good point! Well, it’s coming up a contest in a state with a high African American population so time for the black politicians to make up some phoney race thing about Hillary Clinton. Trying to make Obama unelectable so she can run in 2012? Oh, yeah, go through this campaign hell just to keep Obama from winning so she can run in four years and then go through this hell again? If the African American community is dumb enough to swallow that whole, then I have no sympathy for them at all whatsoever! Fortunately, there have already been AA’s saying that Clyburn is not authorized to speak for them. Clyburn, you can fool some of the people some of the time….but you can’t fool the whole AA community all of the time. Bill Clinton has been working to restore housing destroyed by Katrina, getting cheap aids medications to underpreviliged countries and various other good works. I think he should be welcome anywhere in this country.
Posted by: jkr | Apr 27, 2008 6:10:13 PM
Posted by: irma | April 28, 2008, 1:09 pm 1:09 pm
No matter how media tries to twist, he still one of the best.
Posted by: He still one of the best | April 28, 2008, 1:11 pm 1:11 pm
Bill Clinton did alot for the US – peace, prosperity, plus fiscal responsibility with a balanced budget. Hillary will lead us to the next level. We can get there with Hillary 2008!
Posted by: Jilly | April 28, 2008, 3:24 pm 3:24 pm
I think Cheb was pointing out the focus Barack has given to ONLY his black heritage in the media coverage. For instance, his Kenya relatives were featured in the news, yet we are not seeing his white grandmother who raised him in the newscasts and media, although she lives in the US. He characterized her as ‘ordinary white folk’,and she contributed the max amount to his campaign. His book talks about his personal bio. It’s not the family that’s running for office, so I don’t see an issue with this.
Posted by: Jilly | April 28, 2008, 3:40 pm 3:40 pm
Clyburn needs to shut up as well as Wright. Thes people are a discrage to all Americans and uses racial against black as an Excuse. This recial thing has been abuse and misused for their own interest to get away from responsibility.
Wright gave a long speech (I mean church sermon) last Sunday to see how good their church is. But that is not the issue. The issue is that both of them LIED and trying to mislead again the American people by saying good things. You can not fool the Americans. He said that Black preacher shouts when they preach. There is nothing wrong with shouting when preaching. What is wrong is that he shouted and mocked the entire nation specifically after the 9/11 attack. He and Obama need to start taking responsibility for their bad actions. He also sad that Obama is just a politician. Wright is also politician by giving his speech (sermon I mean) to cover up the bad comments he made and actually just justifying his mistakes and used the racial card as an EXCUSE. Being racial to African Americans are being overused, misused and is an EXCUSE for their personal interest. Really bad!!!
You and Obama lied and does not take responsibility of what you said. Instead you both make reason to justify you irresponsible and very degrading comments. You both mocked the Americans. Being bias to African American has been overused, misused and used as an EXCUSE so that theyt can get away from their bad actions/behavior. You can not fool America this time.
Beware North Carolinians and Indianians….Obama lied and just a Politician.
Mr. Wright, CNN interview, said Obama condemned his comments about american because Obama is a Politician. Yeah right, Obama wants to get away with it condemning Wirght’s comments to get oput of trouble and still fool the Americans and the younger voters. Good job lying Obama. You don’t tale responsibility for your action. You are a disgrace for all North Carolinians and Indianians. What’s new? Obama lied just like Wright, Rezco and Ayers and he will continue to lie and overspent the voter’s money just to win but still the loser.
Richardson suddenly came out at CNN after Hillary won Pennsylvannia. Why are you afraid? Yes you are because f Hilalry wins your personal ambition and interest will disappear. Richardson cannot be trusted and a traitor. Don’t vote for him when runs for a Senator. He belongs to Wright, Rezco and Ayer who join any group or fraternity where he will benefit and not the Americans.
Obama’s motto and theme should be Pay per Vote. Obama overspent in Pennsylvannia and still came out the loser.
Look at the facts as to how strong Hillary is:
Obama lost in Pennsylvannia in spite of endorsement by a Senator and overspending in ads, 5 to 1.
Obama lost in Texas and Ohio even overspending in ads and manipulating info in Ohio.
Obama lost in California even though Oprah, Maria Shriver, and Katherine Kennedy endorsed him.
Obama lost Massachusetts even though Kennedy and John Kerry endorsed him.
Hillary won the big states and has more electoral college votes to date than Obama that is crucial in November.
Obama lost the big states even though the media is most of the time unfair with Hillary and always positive to Obama.
Wake up superdelegates! You will make the right choice if you pick Hillary.
Obama mocked the Pennsylvannians and the entire nation, which is so irresponsible and very degrading to all Americans. He is just like Wright who mocked the Americans and like Rezco and Ayers who we can’t trust.
Before you can have CHANGE, we first need SOLUTIONS and that is HILLARY.
Wake up superdelegates!
Posted by: Alfredo | April 28, 2008, 4:08 pm 4:08 pm
Helen- Your aassertion that polls show that people perceive Hillary as more trustworthy than Obama is not true. Gallop poll showed that “Hillary Clinton is rated as “honest and trustworthy” by 44% of Americans, far fewer than say this about John McCain (67%) and Barack Obama (63%)”. I don’t know which poll you got your information from but the ones I saw said just the opposite. Who was your souces on that or was it your perception? I would like to know so I can check it out.
Posted by: Gretchenmom | April 28, 2008, 5:09 pm 5:09 pm
James Clyburn needs to shut his mouth and quit making inane statements about race as a way to gain air time to campaign for Obama. He is so transparent. Only the Obama crazed media would fall for his ramblings and try to pass them off to the public as “news”.
Posted by: barb | April 28, 2008, 5:21 pm 5:21 pm
Being a White older man,I got a question?
If you’d take a 2 year old Black Boy and a 2 year old White Boy in a room of toys together, would they get along? I believe they’d play together….And if they grew up they’d proably be friends! Only way they would fight is if Hatred was taught to either before hand!Children of all nationalities don’t have a natural hate attitude unless they were taught that!And unfortunately I think that is what a majority of the problems in this world is about!
Posted by: Ed | April 28, 2008, 6:20 pm 6:20 pm
I think a lot of you have blinders on. Of course Hillary is winning the larger states, she has bill on her side. Without him, she is just “Hillary”, a gold digger. Obama has stood toe to toe with the clinton dynasty and is not doing bad. The problem is that the people in North carolina and Indiana are getting doped. Obama is trying to tell the truth but no one wants to hear it. Well, just listen to lying Hillary, who will ly at all cost. She hasn’t paid her bills to date. She changes people who don’t agree with her. It is laughable that she calls Obama an elistist when the clintons are banking 120 million in profit. Take off the blinders people so you can see the real Clintons.
Posted by: Priscilla | April 28, 2008, 6:59 pm 6:59 pm
I ask, from the bottom of my heart, that every single person who reads this post — no matter which candidate you support — to please read the following article:
Please read it carefully because the “New Politics” have arrived and I don’t know that anyone saw it coming. This article isn’t for or against any candidate.
It outlines how this election has changed the face of American politics forever through databases on the Internet, containing personal information voluntarily given at the time of donation, which can now be sold to the highest bidder in furtherance of their political goals.
Power-brokering in Washington has reached a terrifying new height, with ramifications that will last for years to come. Our elections will no longer be “free” … the voters will be systematically manipulated to serve the ends of whomever purchases their name from the list. This power exceeds any lobby, any coalition, any PAC … it surpasses them all in its power.
We need to stand up and speak out against this before it’s too late.
Posted by: SM White, Irvine, CA | April 28, 2008, 7:08 pm 7:08 pm
To put your trust in a lier is like putting your hand in hot oil and expecting not to get burnt.
There is something wrong with anyone who would spend more on getting a job than it pays.
Change, Change, Change! Ya my pockets and the democrats speeches are full of the word. It would be real nice if maybe they said what they wanted to change and how they were going to do it.
Posted by: rdotx | April 28, 2008, 7:33 pm 7:33 pm
There is a lot of talk about how Blacks should owe Bill Clinton our undivided loyalty and pay him homage for what he did for Blacks during his Presidency. Loyalty is something earned and something that has to be maintained. You can’t shake our hand one day and then slap us the next, and expect us to still be respect you. And even though, Bill has earned some of our loyalty, he did not maintain it, and insulted BOTH Blacks and WHITES, in South Carolina. It is a well known fact that the Clintons do NOT do anything unless it benefits them politically, so this may explain why Bill becomes so outraged when some of his pawns failed to play by his rules – but this is politics. So many of us refused to become pawns in this political game – this is our right.
Blacks are not so naïve that we will follow Bill Clinton blindly. If Bill Clinton was running for the presidency, then he would have our support, but Hillary isn’t Bill, and from her own admission they both have different policies and agendas (i.e. NAFTA). If Hillary is so much of a stronger candidate then there is absolutely no reason why her campaign should have gone negative, regardless or not if this is just old politics. In the beginning, I was originally a Hillary supporter only because of Bill, which was foolish, and naïve, but watching her campaign from the beginning, I started to realize that she isn’t Bill and started to question what makes her more qualified than Barack. Being privileged to Top Secret information doesn’t make you qualified to be president, which our current president has proven. And remember this; Hillary did NOT have any Security Clearance, when she was in the White House, so what information did Bill ILLEGALLY divulge to her. If her presidency is going to be a joint presidency that she will share with Bill, then is she really capable of running this country by herself. Hillary makes claims that she obtained all of this experience during Bill’s presidency but she fails to produce any concrete evidences (do your research).
So for the many of you who wonder why so many Blacks support Barack, the answer comes down to who we trust more. Barack and Hillary policies are extremely similar and both lack any tangible experience, like most presidential candidates. But Hillary had a chance to show us that she can make the right decision at the right time, but she failed to vote against the Iraq War Resolution or at least raise any issues about, and this wasn’t at 3am in the morning. So we question her judgment under pressure. So again it comes down to who we trust. I’ve done some research on both the Clintons and Obama and have found more troubling things about the Clintons than I found on Obama. So please, do your homework, and I promise you that you will start questioning her honesty much more than her experience or lack of.
The reality is that Whites have always had someone in the White House that represented them, so why shouldn’t we desire the same? And remember this last thing, it will not be Blacks that put Barack Obama, in the White House, because we see him as being black, but it will be Whites that put Barack in the White House because they do not see him as being that. This proves that there is HOPE and maybe, we as a country, will finally come together.
“There will probably always be racism, in this country (both Blacks and Whites), but that doesn’t mean that we cannot take a break from it, now and then.”
Posted by: Kevin | April 29, 2008, 12:31 am 12:31 am