The “Double Standard” Hillary Clinton Is Talking About
I’ve never argued with the notion that Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, gets tougher media coverage than either Sens. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, or John McCain, R-Ariz.
There are a lot of reasons for it, starting with some (fair or unfair) Clinton fatigue among members of the media. But I do think, sometimes, there is sexism at play. (I’m not talking about at ABC News, I’m talking in general.)
Tonight on NPR’s All Things Considered, Clinton herself alluded to a "double standard," telling Michelle Norris — as ABC News’ Teddy Davis reported earlier – "there has been, throughout this campaign, something of a double standard. I accept it; I live with it."
Clinton was not necessarily talking about a sexist double standard in that interview, but it is a common complaint of hers — whether after an MSNBC reporter referred to Chelsea Clinton being "pimped out," or after Obama-backing Sen. Pat Leahy, D-Vermont, said the delegate math wasn’t there for her and she should drop out and, according to the New York Times, she complained privately that "big boys" were trying to bully a woman out of the race.
Some Clinton supporters made a Youtube video illustrating what Clinton and her supporters are often talking about when they gripe about media coverage. (Hat tip to Ann Althouse.)
What do you think of that video?
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Whatever you think, I can’t say I think there was a "double standard" in the same NPR interview. (Listen to it HERE)
Michelle Norris, hardly a leader purveyor of sexist thought, asked Clinton what she thought when people pointed out that the delegate math worked against her, and the only way she could win is by destroying Obama, making him unelectable, winning "ugly."
"I don’t know what it means because there is no way for Senator Obama to win unless he also obtains a significant number of superdelegates," Clinton said.
That’s when Clinton complained about a double standard.
Norris asked her what the double standard is.
"Well, I think that it’s pretty obvious to anybody who has followed it," said Clinton.
Norris tried again.
"No, but you know – for example, why is the question directed at me?" Clinton responded. "I mean, neither of us has the number of delegates to win. It is a problem for both of us."
I can’t speak for Norris, or for anyone else. I think there has been sexism.
But I think the question is being asked because Clinton is trailing in delegates and the Democrats’ proportionally-allocated delegate system means the math is tough for her.
Numbers aren’t sexist.
- jpt

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Posted by: Bill K | April 8, 2008, 8:55 pm 8:55 pm
Here’s the thing Jake….obama has run a negative campaign…maybe the biased press coverage has made it seem more negative. every day obama attacks McCain or has one of his surrogates do it…Not just attacks but total negative characterizations and unfair descriptions.
So then you guys ask Clinton if she is going to get ugly.
Not just sexism….an overall double standard. From South Carolina to yesterday Obama and his followers have waged a negative campaign…and they pretend like this is “the politics of hope”
The media has a job to do…not just to be fair and unbiased, but to tell us who exactly Obama is and to point out his rather obvious lies.
What about this story True or False…or not important to ya’ll?
Pamela Geller, Israel National News.com, January 9, 2008: “The recent revelations of [Barack] Obama’s ties to Raila Odinga in Kenya are disconcerting… because Odinga is behind the terrible violence in his country. It was he who instigated bloody riots and killing after he lost the election. Obama’s bias for his fellow Luo was so blatant that a Kenyan government spokesman denounced Obama during his visit as Raila’s ‘stooge.’ And while there are few angels in Kenya, Odinga is the source of great unrest and turmoil; and the [Memorandum of Understanding] he signed with the Muslim Council to institute sharia [Islamic law] is a foreshadowing of a dark fate for Kenya.”
Posted by: Jackie | April 8, 2008, 8:59 pm 8:59 pm
Wright’s $1.6 million home didn’t bring downproperty values did it?
Posted by: geevill | April 8, 2008, 8:59 pm 8:59 pm
Hillary has got this weird thing going on that dates back to the seventies when the white middle-class “sisters” were defining, even for black women, what oppression “really” meant. Many of us black women thought then that our men needed our support because they were already sorely tried. But the white sisters wanted to define our victimhood for us.
They still want to play lady bountiful and tell us THEY will bring us to the promised land, but some of us would rather work to get there ourselves.
And the idea that Hillary Clinton will have a harder time getting to be president than my (African American) son is such a disgusting travesty of the truth that it makes me despise the woman.
Posted by: Mary, Washington | April 8, 2008, 8:59 pm 8:59 pm
Wright’s $1.6 million home didn’t bring downproperty values did it?
Posted by: geevill | April 8, 2008, 9:00 pm 9:00 pm
“Wright’s $1.6 million home didn’t bring downproperty values did it?”
I’m sure it would if you were living next to the man dude
Posted by: Netserf | April 8, 2008, 9:06 pm 9:06 pm
Jackie, kenyan politics have nothing to do with Obama, let us avoid to be too low. The point which is important is that Clinton is the actor in all these articles, Media has not invented the Bosnian Sniper, or the lady who was not?taken care of with her still birth at a hospital in Ohio, or the Colombian CAFTA, etc. It is all Hill is making, the Bosnian general cannot stay away from media, tomorrow it is something new again. God bless America and God bless Obama.
Posted by: BKMC | April 8, 2008, 9:13 pm 9:13 pm
The double standard has been here since the beginning of the campaign. I think its a mix of sexism and the media just wanting to build Obama up to this mythic figure. He is a 2nd term Senator with no real accomplishments yet you would think he has saved the world at least a couple of times to be getting the press he has gotten. When you have people like Chris Matthews and Keith Olbermann singing his praises night after night while bashing Hillary for every word that comes out of her mouth or her husbands, then that tells me the bias is real. The Wright story is the biggest of the “double standards” in this campaign. Just imagine what would happen if it was Hillary attending a church like this. Hell, she can’t even talk about a woman dying because of the crappy medical system we have without every reporter in the country calling her a liar and trying to make more of it than it really was. I know i am sick of the bias and the double standard and I hope others are too.
Posted by: Harley | April 8, 2008, 9:21 pm 9:21 pm
The media Has been more favorable on Obama than on Clinton.
Obama has received more amiable Media coverage.
Even When he was catch in lies. When he did nasty things. It was never portrayed as nasty as they have on anything on Clinton.
Obvious enough that most think obama bought and paid the media off.
The man has done some despicable things
and never raked over the coals by the media.
Posted by: seah | April 8, 2008, 9:23 pm 9:23 pm
Okay…about this maaaath that all the pundits and “journalists” talk about. He will not have the amount required to win either.
So what are the rules for? Because somehow they don’t apply to him JUST to her. What do you think it means that with all his money, all the media backing, all the big boys in the party backing him he still hasn’t won. And she, with all her trials and tribulations and a very, very unfair media “coverage” has managed to stay right there with him. Why doesn’t anybody explore that?
If she loses this, America will regret it. Deeply.
Posted by: Lilia | April 8, 2008, 9:26 pm 9:26 pm
Seah – Right said fred. You keep sayin the Truth.
There is bias against Hillary!!!
I can’t believe this Blog said “math is tough for her. Numbers aren’t sexist.” Nobody says that math is tough for men.
Now ABC says womyn can’t do math. Science will be next, I bet.
Shame on You Political Punch Blog. SHAME ON YOU. shame.
Posted by: The Commander Guy | April 8, 2008, 9:29 pm 9:29 pm
All you have to look at is MSNBC and Chris’tina’ Matthews and his sorority sister Keith Olber’wo’man. The two ladies have such a crush on Obama. If it continues I will start believing that dude in Minnesota and his having an affair with Obama.
Posted by: Mark David | April 8, 2008, 9:29 pm 9:29 pm
This is why a large segment of Hillary supporters will not support obama in the GE. His campaign has pushed this attitude and the MSM has picked up on it. obama comes back after a 3 days of vacation start to complaining about the campaign being like the Bataan march and then soon after all his people start coming out with “get out Hillary you cant win”. But no one except Lou Dobbs has stated that obama cant win either without the superdelegates.
Posted by: toby | April 8, 2008, 9:30 pm 9:30 pm
One minute the Hillary supporters are complaining Barack couldn’t stand up too a rigorous election process, the next they are crying that it’s HILLARY who is getting it too tough.
Who is it who can’t stand the pace again?
Posted by: Marcus Obrinsky | April 8, 2008, 9:33 pm 9:33 pm
Obama’s lead is small, very small. His wins are in red states due to block voting by blacks and the few times when he won a state which might go Democratic, they are not large blue Democratic centers. He has outspent Hillary 3 to 1 and 4 to 1 and still has not captured the big states. Obama is not as popular as his supporters think and the media favors him either because he is male or they are actually in McCain’s corner! Sorry, Jake, “Clinton fatigue” is an absurd reason to take potshots at a candidate!
Posted by: Two-cats | April 8, 2008, 9:34 pm 9:34 pm
Hillary is calling out to her uneducated voters. The ones that are blind to their lies and scandals. She’s hoping that everyone will look the other way on this Columbia NAFTA mess. Bill collected over $800 thousand dollars to help pass the trade agreement. Hillary is against it? Don’t they file taxes jointly? Guess someone that’s against the Columbia trade is making a good living out of this!!
Come on!!! how uneducated are Hillary’s supporters? Or Blind? She will rape the blue collar workers just to make a buck!! Wake up people! She supported NAFTA when Bill was in the White House! We are losing jobs here since the Clinton’s passed NAFTA in their administration!
Posted by: JerryZ | April 8, 2008, 9:34 pm 9:34 pm
Plus I love the video put together about the MSM sexism that is so out there and no one calls them on it. It makes me feel like I’m living in an alternate universe. Because I know that is not right but nobody acknowledges that. Its like its a big secret but I was left out of it.
Posted by: toby | April 8, 2008, 9:35 pm 9:35 pm
“Now ABC says womyn can’t do math.”
No. Just Hillary.
The rest is YOUR inference.
The fact is she cannot win pledged delegates, he’s creeping up on her even in PA, and it is unlikely in the extreme that the superdelegates – more moving to him every day – will overturn the pledged delegates.
And if you can’t figure that out, YOU can’t do the math. And you’re a guy.
Posted by: Marcus Obrinsky | April 8, 2008, 9:36 pm 9:36 pm
Two-cats
Hillary had NO PLAN after super-Tuesday.
Barak is going to win.
Posted by: Marcus Obrinsky | April 8, 2008, 9:38 pm 9:38 pm
I think what she meant in that interview is that you ask her about her narrow delegate deficit and tell her to get out because of “the-will-of-the-people”, while not grilling Sen. Obama about Florida and Michigan.
Why does he not get more questions about FL/MI? Why isn’t he asked more about ‘the-will-of-people’? That was her problem. Also if the tables were turned and Clinton supporters asked Obama to get out “for the good of the party” I think there would have been media outrage.
Posted by: Joan | April 8, 2008, 9:39 pm 9:39 pm
If Hillary DOES things that causes negative press, WHOS FAULT is that but hers?
Bosnia, Taxes, Penn, Hospital, is ALL HER DOING!
Posted by: Carl | April 8, 2008, 9:41 pm 9:41 pm
toby “video put together about the MSM sexism that is so out there and no one calls them on it. ”
Toby, if anyone had their eyes open to the incredible amount of anti-male vitriol and general misandry in the mass media, from sit-coms to Hollywood movies, you might have a point. You don’t. I am sick of warmed-over victim feminism from the 1970s.
I remember reading in one top class newspaper a while ago the statement “Men have to be taught that having sex with children is wrong”. Despite the fact that American female school teachers seem very likely to be doing this, perhaps we might point out that it’s pedophiles, NOT men or women as a gender.
Posted by: Regular guy | April 8, 2008, 9:42 pm 9:42 pm
It’s in the numbers btw that I think Hillary enormously profited from sexism; the sexism that makes women vote for a female candidate.
And don’t forget: women are the majority in our country. If it weren’t for this majority, that is particulalrly strong among Democratic voters, Hillary would have been out of the race a long time ago and Obama and Edwards would be fighting for the nomination.
So, she has no reason to complain about her sex; it has been a great benefit to her where it matters – in the numbers.
And YET the numbers are in favor Obama. But that, I’m afraid, is simply because he is the far superior candidate.
That video btw is horrible. First the victimization, then the triumphalism. I really hate that.
Hillary is being portrayed as an advocate for women all over her official site. She herself has ‘womanised’ her campaign, so don’t blame critics for taking her on as a woman. In comparison: nowhere at Obama’s site you’ll see him being portrayed as an advocate for black people.
Do I see her as ‘my advocate’? No way! The good at heart, highly intelligent, very passionate and dedicated type of woman I prefer is… Samantha Powers, who’s done nore for justice in this world than Hillary. And yes, I must admit, I even share Samantha’s feelings about the great Obama’s rather mediocre opponent.
Posted by: marian | April 8, 2008, 9:43 pm 9:43 pm
The double standard she spoke of on NPR wasn’t about sexism at all. She was speaking of the “winning ugly” comment and how the notion of the concept is a double standard because Obama cannot win without superdelegates either. She was legitimately questioning why she is always asked that when the truth of the matter is that Obama should be asked the same thing. She did NOT imply at all that it had to do with gender.
Come on Jake, I know you’re smarter than this.
Posted by: LOM | April 8, 2008, 9:43 pm 9:43 pm
Sexism double standards in the media?
Tell me about it
“Men in prime time television are viewed far more often than women as sources of marital discontent, as inadequate parents, and as “corrupt” and “stupid”. Respondents to a February 2007 survey indicated by a factor of over 11 to 1 that wives are portrayed more often than husbands as “justifiably dissatisfied with” their spouses and by 17 to 1 that men are more often portrayed as “corrupt”. Women were significantly more likely to be seen as intelligent (5 to 4), good looking (7 to 1), and inspiring (5 to 1). In two categories women received all the favorable responses as not a single respondent indicated that men are more often depicted as “good parents” or as “honest”.”
Posted by: Regular guy | April 8, 2008, 9:44 pm 9:44 pm
It is truly appalling the way the media has handled this primary election! I predict it will go down in the history books and will be preached about in journalism schools as proof of our countries limited hold on a true democracy. I feel the way the MSM has handled this democratic primary borders on propaganda which favors Obama and demonizes Clinton. Also, I believe a new feminist movement will rise out of this truly disgusting show of misogyny.
If it were reversed and Obama was just shy of her lead and people were asking him to drop out Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson would make a real fuss about it being racially motivated. If Obama needed MI & FL but Clinton was dragging her feet on a re vote, you better believe they would say she is attempting to disenfranchise black voters. If Obama gets the nomination it will be just as it is now for Bush- a low approval rating with all that use to support him slowly backing away. At least we know what we are getting with Clinton – a dedicated public servant that will get the job done.
Posted by: Andrea | April 8, 2008, 9:45 pm 9:45 pm
But I think the question is being asked because Clinton is trailing in delegates and the Democrats’ proportionally-allocated delegate system means the math is tough for her.
Numbers aren’t sexist.
- jpt
Thats the only reason why she is whinning
Posted by: Lauren | April 8, 2008, 9:45 pm 9:45 pm
I got confused about that sniper fire because I’m a woman.
I gave most of my charity donations to my own organisation because I’m a woman.
I got confused about that hospital story because I’m a woman.
I’m trying to tear down my fellow Democrat in a worse manner than McCain because I’m a woman.
And you’re all sexists.
Posted by: Over the Hill | April 8, 2008, 9:47 pm 9:47 pm
Anit-male vitriol? I have always heard its a MAN’S WORLD. If you dont see the double standard being portrayed by all the main news program daily for the CHOSEN ONE, you must be just like Stevie Wonder.
Posted by: toby | April 8, 2008, 9:49 pm 9:49 pm
I have no doubts that sexism is the 800 pound gorilla that few in the MSM are willing to acknowledge (I’m actually surprised to see Jake mention it here).
However, the NPR interview had NOTHING to do with sexism. Her point was that neither candidate can win without superdelegates, so why does the media keep posing these math questions to her when they should be posed to Obama as well?
Posted by: LOM | April 8, 2008, 9:52 pm 9:52 pm
If Hillary DOES things that causes negative press, WHOS FAULT is that but hers?
Bosnia, Taxes, Penn, Hospital, is ALL HER DOING!
Posted by: Carl | Apr 8, 2008 9:41:32 PM
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To count Obama’s mistakes and lies and embelishments,, you’d need both hands and feet. WHY IS NOT PRESS NOT AFTER HIM- JUST LISTEN TO MSNBC AND YOU’D SEE WHAT I MEAN, OBAMA CANT GO WRONG
Posted by: TJ | April 8, 2008, 9:52 pm 9:52 pm
“count the votes”…..we’ll see then who’s trailing in delegates.
Posted by: catherine in nm | April 8, 2008, 9:53 pm 9:53 pm
“If it were reversed and Obama was just shy of her lead”
She isn’t “just shy”.
It is next to impossible for her to catch up. And the superdelegates won’t overturn the popular vote.
Those who express their support are moving to him. Those keeping their cards close to their chest will see which way the wind’s blowing.
Frankly if Hillary were NOT a woman the same issues would still apply and some of you would just have one less thing to carp about. It’s most likely YOU who IS voting for her because of her gender. Not other people who aren’t
Posted by: Over the Hill | April 8, 2008, 9:53 pm 9:53 pm
Also why hasnt the media carried the story from obama fundraiser sunday where he states “that he doesnt need a vp with foreign experience because he has enough of it himself. From when he lived in indonesia from 6 – 10 years old, visting africa as a teenager plus 15 years later”. Nothing has put on the news show about this but a young woman dies and a hospital illegally give out her name is top story for 3 or 4 days.
Posted by: toby | April 8, 2008, 9:54 pm 9:54 pm
To MARIAN who said Hillary profited from sexism because it causes women to vote for her.
As far as I know women are not voting in 85-90% blocks for her as African Americans are voting for Obama. I would think even as an Obama supporter you would be able to see the terrible bias happening in the media. Your candidate’s message would insinuate that he and his supporter are for a positive and united America. Funny how all the people that blog in his defense are divisive and mean-spirited, waiting to pounce on anything HRC does, even though many of her positions are very similar to Obama’s.
Posted by: Andrea | April 8, 2008, 9:55 pm 9:55 pm
toby, try looking instead of hearing.
The reality isn’t what “consciousness-raising” sisters have been telling us for four decades.
Posted by: Regular Joe | April 8, 2008, 9:55 pm 9:55 pm
“And the superdelegates won’t overturn the popular vote.”
They already have…Kerry, Kennedy and Richardson to name a few.
Superdelegates can vote their independent judgment. Those are the rules.
Posted by: LOM | April 8, 2008, 9:57 pm 9:57 pm
“As far as I know women are not voting in 85-90% blocks for her as African Americans are voting for Obama”
Believe it or not, there are more women in America than African-Americans.
Voting for that woman because it’s “our turn now” should invalidate us from any serious role in the political process
Posted by: Wanda | April 8, 2008, 9:57 pm 9:57 pm
“As far as I know women are not voting in 85-90% blocks for her as African Americans are voting for Obama”
Believe it or not, there are more women in America than African-Americans.
Voting for that woman because it’s “our turn now” should invalidate us from any serious role in the political process
Posted by: Wanda | April 8, 2008, 9:57 pm 9:57 pm
@Andrea
“Funny how all the people that blog in his defense are divisive and mean-spirited, waiting to pounce on anything HRC does, even though many of her positions are very similar to Obama’s.”
I’m not against her positions. I’m against HER, for I find her a VERY dislikeable individual. It is often with amazement that I see how many folks share my thoughts and feelings on her, EVEN in the MSM…
Posted by: marian | April 8, 2008, 10:00 pm 10:00 pm
I wish those who complain about media bias would do so when their favored candidate was winning. And this applies to both sides.
I wish those who complain about the electoral process would push for electoral reform when their favorite candidate had won.
Otherwise you just look like bleating sheep and sore losers
Posted by: Olympian Heights | April 8, 2008, 10:01 pm 10:01 pm
I don ‘t see any nut cracker dolls of Obama they don’t talk about his mood both him and his wife have pouted and nothing was said he ran away like a little boy make fun but the women are mad as H!!l and if you think that there are not new women ready to vote for Hillary you are out of touch with the supporters it has gone beyound putting this party back together.
Posted by: Bishop | April 8, 2008, 10:03 pm 10:03 pm
When it’s john mccain and barack obama in a general election, mccain will win.
Hello President McCain
Posted by: John | April 8, 2008, 10:03 pm 10:03 pm
LOM say “I have no doubts that sexism is the 800 pound gorilla that few in the MSM are willing to acknowledge”
Actually I’m watching the Game right now, The Womens Championship Game. I wonder how many of those strong young women thing that Hilary has brought down by sexism?
I gotta pretty idea one the answer.
Posted by: The Commander Guy | April 8, 2008, 10:04 pm 10:04 pm
To Bill K-
I don’ think you can say one discrimination trumps another, but take a look at one of the top stories on the news right now- ‘Raped, Pregnant, Beaten: Girl’s Distress Call From Polygamist Sect’
I don’t think you can write off sexism so quickly. This story may be unique to the day, but don’t discount the endless stories of women being murdered, raped and beaten in this country. This happens because of sexism and it takes place every day.
Posted by: Andrea | April 8, 2008, 10:04 pm 10:04 pm
“I don ‘t see any nut cracker dolls of Obama”
If you have seen no caricatures and insulting novelties of EVERY politician, including George W, then your sight is very selective.
Posted by: Miss Andry | April 8, 2008, 10:05 pm 10:05 pm
The irony is…now that Hillary is projected to win 8 of the next 10 primary elections….you don’t hear anything about momentum.
Posted by: MGPGH | April 8, 2008, 10:06 pm 10:06 pm
“I don’ think you can say one discrimination trumps another, but take a look at one of the top stories on the news right now- ‘Raped, Pregnant, Beaten: Girl’s Distress Call From Polygamist Sect’”
Oh, and Andrea why not look at that story where a bunch of teenage girls mercilessly beat the hell out of another one. Don’t just select the news to suit your prejudices.
Posted by: Miss Andry | April 8, 2008, 10:07 pm 10:07 pm
It is not true that all women support Hillary, that is equal to saying all women are moron. Women are thinking more and more that Hill is not the right one for America now. No wonder, PA voters are planning to move away from her and governor rendall. She is making her case very difficult, she has no plans to change the course of her campaign, tells a lie every day, has lots of money and still is asking poor PA folks to pay for her, and all she can do is whine and complain everyday.
Hillary is not fit to be the president. She is a phony and a liar. Sisters, move away from this woman who is a typical Washington politician and a corrupt one at that!!!!!
Posted by: MonaPA | April 8, 2008, 10:07 pm 10:07 pm
“you don’t hear anything about momentum.”
The momentum is steadily swinging to Obama. Look at the latest PA polls
Posted by: Pollaster | April 8, 2008, 10:08 pm 10:08 pm
Andrea, I have no desire to buy into the resentment feminism rule book that sees men only as hated oppressors. I have too many men in my life I love to do that. If you don’t, look in better places.
Posted by: Willa Carr | April 8, 2008, 10:11 pm 10:11 pm
What an awesome video that was. I’m already a Hillary supporter. She is the strongest, smartest, most dedicated candidate. Vote Hillary ’08
Posted by: Becky | April 8, 2008, 10:12 pm 10:12 pm
Who’s every liked a woman who is higher in power than they are?
Not even other women.
Nancy Pelosi is anti-Hillary because Hillary will take away Nancy’s title as the “highest ranking woman in the chain of command”.
You think Pelosi will help overshadow her own history by electing/endorsing Hillary?
Get real!
Posted by: John | April 8, 2008, 10:12 pm 10:12 pm
“I don’ think you can say one discrimination trumps another,”
Hillary and Geraldine have certainly been trying. And it just won’t wash.
Hillary Clinton does not have a lower chance of being president than my son, no matter how brilliant he is.
Posted by: Keisha | April 8, 2008, 10:13 pm 10:13 pm
Hey Pollaster….have you seen Survey USA….the pollster that’s been the most correct so far in the primary election? I live in PA. Heart of Pittsburgh. People are making pencil puppets and mocking Mr. Obama. He’s toast here. Maybe NC would be offended. The America that still is going to vote is NOT into his snake oil. Like the 2004 elections, I’ll be proud of PA again.
Posted by: MGPGH | April 8, 2008, 10:14 pm 10:14 pm
Hillary Its YOUR “STUPID NEGATIVES” …not the media bias that makes you look bad. And….
Swear to GOD I was an ardent supporter of Clintons up unitll I found out how exceptionally SELFISH, PATHOLOGICAL LIER they are.
Posted by: moeen | April 8, 2008, 10:15 pm 10:15 pm
I am a woman, white and have a lot of concern about healthcare, war and economy. And I don’t have even an iota of confidence that Hillary will help us. She is a selfish, phony and a liar, a typical Washington corrupt politician who will say anything and do anything just to fool and win the election. She is a cheat, and everyone knows it.
If we want a woman, we ought to go for a better one and not for this corrupt and untrustworthy woman. She brings shame on all of us since she does not reflect the good qualities, the positive aspects of being a woman. She should leave the race and go to re-build her credibility first. McCain 08!
Posted by: MonaPA | April 8, 2008, 10:15 pm 10:15 pm
“Who’s every liked a woman who is higher in power than they are?”
I do. My former boss was smart as a whip and seriously gorgeous. I also very much admire Aung Saan Su Kyi, Madeline Albright, and other women who stand for their principles. Hillary Clinton does not.
Posted by: Marcus Lee | April 8, 2008, 10:16 pm 10:16 pm
Oops…thats Survey USA…the polling agency that’s been the most accurate so far in the primary elections. They have Hillary up by 18.
Posted by: MGPGH | April 8, 2008, 10:17 pm 10:17 pm
“Where has Michelle Obama been since her anti-American comments?”
1. These comments were an expression of revived pride in America.
2. She’s been on the road as well, campaigning, surprising audiences with her remarkable oratory gifts.
Posted by: marian | April 8, 2008, 10:17 pm 10:17 pm
@ MGPGH
I think the Edwards might endorse Hillary so that should help in NC.
Posted by: John | April 8, 2008, 10:17 pm 10:17 pm
“People are making pencil puppets and mocking Mr. Obama.”
Show them to Bishop. He/she doesn’t believe they exist.
But Obama IS catching up in PA. And if you don’t believe me, we won’t have long to find out will we?
Posted by: Larry S | April 8, 2008, 10:18 pm 10:18 pm
To the women who are upset that I spoke of the beatings, rape and murders that occur to women every day…
I am really shocked that even this idea bothers you. How can you not see this happening and not question the society we live in when it comes to sexism? It isn’t about having loving men in your life, and it isn’t even about the abuse of only men, it (sexism) is built into our society, just as racism is. It is a much larger issue than to simply refer to it as ‘the resentment feminism rule book’. If you want change to happen, as following Obama’s message, you must, I hope that you want change to happen for the positive and for all people. Let’s try to see the bigger picture here, OK?
Posted by: Andrea | April 8, 2008, 10:19 pm 10:19 pm
“I think the Edwards might endorse Hillary”
You can always hope against hope.
Posted by: Sanity Clause | April 8, 2008, 10:19 pm 10:19 pm
Oops Survey USA way out of line of all the other polls.
Posted by: Thinking | April 8, 2008, 10:20 pm 10:20 pm
@ Sanity Clause
HOPE AGAINST HOPE?
Elizabeth Edwards, who is fighting Cancer, has all but endorsed Hillary’s healthcare plan and called it better than Obama’s and McCain’s.
I hope John wises up and realizes hyperliberals don’t win the general election.
Look what happened to Kerry.
Imagine of Edwards was on the top of that ticket?
Would we have gotten four more years of Bush?
Posted by: John | April 8, 2008, 10:23 pm 10:23 pm
Survey USA has been most accurate so far except for one state….show me evidence otherwise. I live in PA. I talk to people everyday. The will NOT have Obama as their president.
Posted by: MGPGH | April 8, 2008, 10:24 pm 10:24 pm
Andrea, you know I get very tired of the form of feminism that says “no, we are fighting for rights for all” but that – when iot comes down to it, only pushes in a very partisan way for the rights of women.
My son was horribly abused by his wife. He’d come to me with cuts and scrapes on his face. If he’d call the police to report her, they’d take HIM to prison. He knew he could not EVER lay a finger on her because if he did, his children would be gone. Men AND WOMEN who heard his situation laughed at him. He couldn’t leave because of the kids.He ended up in an emergency room with his liver bisected by a kitchen knife.
The fact is studies show that in half of all cases of spousal abuse the WOMAN strikes the first blow. If the man DOES hit back she ends in hospital. This dynamic needs to be understood and dealt with by more complex means than demonizing men. I am sick of this nonsense.
Posted by: Martha, Ohio | April 8, 2008, 10:24 pm 10:24 pm
Andrea, you know I get very tired of the form of feminism that says “no, we are fighting for rights for all” but that – when iot comes down to it, only pushes in a very partisan way for the rights of women.
My son was horribly abused by his wife. He’d come to me with cuts and scrapes on his face. If he’d call the police to report her, they’d take HIM to prison. He knew he could not EVER lay a finger on her because if he did, his children would be gone. Men AND WOMEN who heard his situation laughed at him. He couldn’t leave because of the kids.He ended up in an emergency room with his liver bisected by a kitchen knife.
The fact is studies show that in half of all cases of spousal abuse the WOMAN strikes the first blow. If the man DOES hit back she ends in hospital. This dynamic needs to be understood and dealt with by more complex means than demonizing men. I am sick of this nonsense.
Posted by: Martha, Ohio | April 8, 2008, 10:24 pm 10:24 pm
Bill K wrote:
Racism trumps sexism.
Most people would not complain that women moving into the neighborhood brings property prices down.
——————–
What a stupid thing to say!
Discrimination is Discrimination.
Posted by: John | April 8, 2008, 10:25 pm 10:25 pm
“countallthe votes”, that’s because you are posting under more than one name.
Posted by: Martha, Ohio | April 8, 2008, 10:25 pm 10:25 pm
The video is great and says it all there has been a sexist double standard in the media.
This blog in the past has been just as guilty of the double standard although you do appear to be making an effort lately to be fair…kudos to you.
Posted by: LB | April 8, 2008, 10:26 pm 10:26 pm
Hey, countallthevotes, this has happened to me too. I do not know if it’s a glitch or what, but my most critical posts are often deleted even if they have nothing offensive in them. Yesterday, I posted info on the vast number of Clinton supporters who said they would not vote for Obama and the blog host kept deleting it. I guess the truth hurts the liberal media.
Posted by: tony | April 8, 2008, 10:26 pm 10:26 pm
John
It’s Hillary and Gerry claiming that they are having it tougher. Tell THEM that.
Posted by: Pundit | April 8, 2008, 10:26 pm 10:26 pm
I’ve concluded the Dems are addicted to losing the White House.
How’s this for a prediction–The Republicans’ only hope of winning in November is to have the Democrats run the inexperienced, arrogant junior senator from Ill., who I might add knows all about foreign policy [his words, not mine]. Surprise! Knowledge by osmosis, I guess. Oh, what the Republican Party will do with that blooper!
You want to hear a whine? It won’t be about sexism or racism in November. It’s going to be about losing because the very voters outraged today by media bias and the Boys’ Club will remember how they were disregarded and insulted today. Maybe Hillary Clinton has grown accustomed to this abuse, but I have not. I and many women have long, long memories. BTW, not voting is a vote, too.
Get your tissues out. It’s going to get ugly when the unthinkable happens and the Republicans win, again.
Posted by: Peggy Sue | April 8, 2008, 10:27 pm 10:27 pm
Tony, it’s Clinton and Ferraro who say sexism trumps racism. They are wrong. I didn’t hear you criticizing THEIR whining. The fact is a lot more white women have been above stairs in the White House than black men.
Posted by: Pundit | April 8, 2008, 10:28 pm 10:28 pm
Martha – a lot of feminists advocate on behalf of men. There are feminist who do domestic violence work on behalf of gay men, for example. Dont condemn feminism based on your experience with misguided people
Posted by: tony | April 8, 2008, 10:28 pm 10:28 pm
I am SO sorry, but men will never understand the double-standard that women go through everyday, because they simply AREN’T women…..that’s all there is to say about it, really.
Everybody has been so “hands off” criticizing and directly questioning obama……I can’t figure out if it is because he is one-half black, or if it is because he is a man——or, it could be that he is a one-half black MAN. The absolutely WORST thing that can happen is if obama gets the Nomination, and all of a sudden more obama “negative unknowns” crop up somewhere before the November General Election—-the Democrats will be like: “Oh, God”—-and there will be NOTHING anybody can do about it. At least we KNOW what hillary has been accused of and criticized for.
obama is an unknown.
But about double standards: Hillary as a woman is the only candidate that is criticized for what she wears, how she physically looks, and—on ONE hand, people think that a “woman can’t handle this or that”—-but on the OTHER hand, if Hillary gets tough or shows her sensitivity and compassion, people then criticize her for “being a witch” or “getting too emotional”.
Hillary is factually the best chance that Democrats have to win the White House. If she does not get the Nomination, the Democratic Party will never be the same. People will be looking for a New Party in addition to Republicans, Democrats and Independents, because this year, the Ultra-Liberals are hijacking the REAL Democratic Party, and they DO NOT SPEAK for the rest of the Democratic Party.
It will never be the same after this year.
Posted by: What Happened to the REAL Democratic Party? | April 8, 2008, 10:31 pm 10:31 pm
@ MGPGH
well IF obama beats McCain, Michelle will be the most hated first lady in our history.
She’ll definitely trump Hillary.
I don’t recall Hillary EVER saying disparaging respects about AMERICA.
Posted by: John | April 8, 2008, 10:31 pm 10:31 pm
” I and many women have long, long memories.”
And, apparently a desire to cut off your nose to spite your face. Or don’t you know McCain’s voting record on gender issues such as abortion, or race issues such as MLK day?
When you make comments like that you do nothing to convince that the suffragettes were right
Posted by: Strategist | April 8, 2008, 10:32 pm 10:32 pm
John – You’re entirely right. But since she exposed the sentiments of the Obama family….you’ve heard NOTHING about her in the national press. She was here in Pittsburgh. Was pretty innocuous. She made like a 2 paragrapgh story.
Posted by: MGPGH | April 8, 2008, 10:33 pm 10:33 pm
“I am SO sorry, but men will never understand the double-standard that women go through everyday, because they simply AREN’T women…..that’s all there is to say about it, really.”
And you’re not me, so you can’t understand me. So best we don’t talk eh?
That is an utterly specious argument.
Posted by: Strategist | April 8, 2008, 10:33 pm 10:33 pm
Yes Tapper numbers aren’t sexist but can honestly tell me that if this was John Edwards trailing Obama that anyone would be asking him to drop out of such a close race. I THINK NOT!!
Posted by: mona | April 8, 2008, 10:33 pm 10:33 pm
Yes Tapper numbers aren’t sexist but can you honestly tell me that if this was John Edwards trailing Obama that anyone would be asking him to drop out of such a close race? I THINK NOT!!
Posted by: edenz | April 8, 2008, 10:34 pm 10:34 pm
“At least we KNOW what hillary has been accused of and criticized for.”
Yeah, but there’s a NEW ONE every few days.
Posted by: Michael, TX | April 8, 2008, 10:35 pm 10:35 pm
You are forgetting hers own lies, and suspicion of corruption sourrounding her couple, etc. If the press cannot tell the truth for not being accused of double standard, propaganda and spinning will replace information.
Posted by: Mark Webb | April 8, 2008, 10:36 pm 10:36 pm
“can you honestly tell me that if this was John Edwards trailing Obama that anyone would be asking him to drop out of such a close race? I THINK NOT!!”
It isn’t close. And in the exact same situation the other candidate SHOULD drop out respective of gender.
Posted by: Sawhyer | April 8, 2008, 10:36 pm 10:36 pm
Obama is using race to his advantage…
I’ve heard countless times on CNN that if “Obama isn’t the nominee it will anger a lot of AFRICAN AMERICANS and do we really want ALIENATE the African American vote.”
and “if Hillary is the nominee she will have to have Obama as her VEEP, but Obama should get someone totally different for his VEEP!”
Talk about using your skin color for an advantage!
and aren’t they scared of alienating Hillary’s supporters?
I don’t want Obama or Hillary to be our nominee based on some kind of affirmative action(which is supposed to benefit all minorities) or sympathy votes.
Posted by: John | April 8, 2008, 10:37 pm 10:37 pm
Surely the most bizarre reason to vote for someone is “We have a long list of his/her unethical behavior” but at least we know about it”
Hey, let’s let all the prisoners out of correctional facilities too. At least we know most of what they’ve done.
Posted by: Shawshanks | April 8, 2008, 10:38 pm 10:38 pm
Larry Sinclair is delusional. And it only “gains steam” in the eyes of more delusional supporter and Faux News watchers. You guys really are desperate. Is that the best McCain supporters have?
Posted by: Not a Faux | April 8, 2008, 10:40 pm 10:40 pm
Here’s the issue….What if the consistantly biased coverage in this election is an underlying factor that has created the numbers (the numbers that put Obama ahead, but can not give him a win.
What if it’s not all sexism (also a factor) but it’s the willingness of the media to clearly favor Obama and use his campaign’s “talking points” against Hillary?
I don’t think that there would be nearly so much anger if many of us didn’t see the media swaying the election right before our eyes….
It started eary it continues daily…So now it’s reached a point where a clear disservice is being done to the voters and to the candidate.
So if the media is tired of the Clinton’s let me assure you that the voter’s are getting pretty tired of the media. We can always turn off MSNBC but don’t ya’ll have a responsibility that far exceeds just acknowledging their has been sexism?
Posted by: Jackie | April 8, 2008, 10:40 pm 10:40 pm
Oh John, your post is so typical of those Republican supporters who scream “Race, race, race, race” and then when Obama says “So I’d better address the subject you scream about” accusing HIM of bringing race in.
It’s as dumb as when you were all walking around saying “I’m not going to talk about Chappaquiddick”.
Posted by: Not a Faux | April 8, 2008, 10:42 pm 10:42 pm
Frankly, Ahmadinejad (Pres of Iran) won’t give a dam about race, gender, or age. So suck it Hillary!
Posted by: debra | April 8, 2008, 10:43 pm 10:43 pm
Martha, I am not posting under two names at all. Most of my posts get posted.
Posted by: countallthevotes | April 8, 2008, 10:43 pm 10:43 pm
“Strategist”: we women who are (in your opinion) “cutting off our noses to spite our faces” because we want to vote for someone other than obama if he gets the Democratic Nomination—-this obama man is arrogant, and arrogance is NOT a trait that I or MILLIONS of other voters—men OR women—want in a President again. We have had that dastardly ARROGANCE for the last 8 years in the White House—–that core belief that supercedes EVERYTHING: taking in to consideration what others think, putting oneself aside for the good of a WHOLE NATION. This type of Narcissism is the MOST DANGEROUS THREAT that a President can have—-we have SEEN where it has gotten us now—and to elect ANOTHER person (obama) with that same EGOTISTICAL Narcissium will be further downfall of this country.
I would rather vote for McCain, in light of that……
Posted by: What Happened to the REAL Democratic Party? | April 8, 2008, 10:44 pm 10:44 pm
“wait till this story that just made national television in Puerto Rico comes out”
There’s a reason it doesn’t. Some news organizations have standards of believability. Not counting Fox of course
Posted by: Claire Voyant | April 8, 2008, 10:45 pm 10:45 pm
The videoclip is dramatically effective in capturing the sexism that has infected this campaign.
Chris Matt.’s statement is especially instructive: he posits that Hillary is only a senator and now only a presidential candidate because she is the wife of Bill Clinton, the philanering president.
When Hillary Clinton was admitted to Yale Law School. there were only a handful of women admitted. Recall, Yale undergrad had just started admitting women in 1972 or 1973. She had to have been a brilliant student or she simply would not have been there. Note, Yale Law School is the most selective law school in the country. While Harvard admits about 400 incoming students to its law school, Yale has limited admission to merely 200 students. Here is an excerpt from Newsweek on those early days at Yale Law School:
“And so Hillary turned herself to her new cause with energy and determination. She audited classes at the medical school dealing with children’s health. She spent time at the Yale Child Study Center, observing clinical sessions. She worked as a researcher for the authors of the landmark book Beyond the Best Interests of the Child. Soon she published papers of her own on the legal rights of children—papers that would later earn her derision on the right, which accused her, laughably, of contending that “12-year-olds should have the right to sue their parents.” (Thank you, Pat Buchanan.) Indeed, surveying this and her later work in the field, the historian Garry Wills would deem her “one of the more important scholar-activists of the last two decades.””
When I see people posting on Jake’s blogs that Hillary is not smart, not competent, not a person of achievement in her own right, I simply cringe. I submit she would have done as much, if not more, had she not married Bill Clinton. To say she has determination and tenacity is an understatement. I am in awe of her strength. Her overall mastery of every policy and issue pivotal to this campaign has been consistently demeaned as her being a “wonk.” That IS sexist. No man on the podium could even approach her preparation on the issues.
Recall the debates in which Clinton, Biden, Richardson, Dodds, Edwards and Obama participated. Note, I was then an Edwards supporter. It was truly an intellectual g**g b**g and Edwards was part of that, to my surpise. For many months it was Obama, Biden, Dodds, Edwards, Richardson vs. Hillary. It was the “Big Boys.” I am amazed she is still standing!! While people claim she pissed away so much of her money at the beginning of her campaign, well, she was running against them all, while they as a group were running against her.
I was resistant to claims of sexism for most of my young life. What I did not realize during those young years is that I never had a job any man wanted.
NO MAN SHOULD BE TELLING HILLARY CLINTON TO GET OUT OF THE RACE. TO BE SURE, BOTH OBAMA AND CLINTON WILL NEED SUPERDELEGATES TO WIN. FURTHER, I ASK YOU, IF FL AND MI WERE COUNTED, WHERE WOULD OBAMA BE?? Clinton is correct. Leahey et al telling her to get out is employing a double standard-one for her and a very different and special one for Obama.
Posted by: countallthevotes | April 8, 2008, 10:45 pm 10:45 pm
“I would rather vote for McCain, in light of that……”
Ha ha ha. Eight years of Republican misrule you don’t like, so you’ll vote in another Republican hawk.
Sometimes even I think we women shouldn’t vote.
Posted by: Claire Voyant | April 8, 2008, 10:47 pm 10:47 pm
you see this is the sexist box that the media and men put women into all the time! If a woman cries she is considered weak,if a man cries he is compassionate. If a woman asserts herself she is considered a “bitch”,if a man asserts himself he is considered to be strong and bold! Rev. Wright said that Hillary did not know dicrimination because she has never been called the N word! Well she may never have been called the N word but she has been called a bitch,whore,and monster by many including some of Obamas surrogates! She has also been a victim of gender bias in the workforce,where women earn 1/2 as much as males doing the same job! It is evident however that such dicrimination is not taken as seriously as racial bias, since the media does not dicipline its own when they make sexist remarks like Chris Mattheews did no he simply says that he is sorry on a blog and all is forgotten! Remember when Ferraro said that Obama should consider himself lucky to be black and all hell broke lose! Chirs Mattheews says that Hillary got where she is because she was cheated on and for no other reasons,there was hardly any condemnation by the media or Obama! What if Hillary had said that Obama was just a Typical Black Man well I think you know that she would have been lambasted by the press and denounced as a racist! It is obvious that sexism is tolerated more than racism from watching this campaign, one can call that whinnig if they like but I call it a cry for justice and equality! Maybe some day demeaning women, our Mothers,Wives,Sisters,and Daughters will be as unacceptable as calling blacks the N word! So thanks Hillary for fighting the fight and making america a better place for women and men! Keep the faith!
Posted by: russell | April 8, 2008, 10:48 pm 10:48 pm
And speaking of double standards…the Obama campaign started in South Carolina crying “racism” and the media has really supported them every time they pointed their finger at anyone and accused them of sending “coded” racist messages…I never knew the term “fairytale” was grounds to be called a racist until this election.
Why isn’t the media calling Obama a crybaby when he sends his famous “accidently released” memos to the press? Basically his campaign is based on the whole ideal that this evil monster woman is a liar and she is attacking Obama…or maybe she is about to attack Obama…and it seems like grown men are terrified. There really hasn’t been any evidence that anyone has attacked Obama…
Here’s the guy that sanctions events where Clinton and Ferrarro are called bitches…and has a supporter accusing McCain of being a “murderer” to try and bring the hero down.
It really is too outrageous. The kind of media pressure and clear bias that Clinton has endured since South Carolina is worth 20 points in National polls…see what I’m saying?
Posted by: Jackie | April 8, 2008, 10:48 pm 10:48 pm
“What I did not realize during those young years is that I never had a job any man wanted.”
I’ve had plenty, sister.
Don’t blame it on your gender.
Posted by: Martha, Ohio | April 8, 2008, 10:49 pm 10:49 pm
@ puzzeled
so now you want to question hillary’s emotions?
where was obama on mlk day?
trying to get votes in Indiana!
he only uses their quotes but pays no respect to these leaders.
Posted by: John | April 8, 2008, 11:20 pm 11:20 pm
People can criticize Hillary Clinton till the cows come home, but she is positively the best chance we have for a President out of these 3 people who are now running.
I want the War to end and our troops to get out of Iraq—-Iraq can take care of itself—-and in the MEANTIME, pay us back for their protection IN OIL they’re sitting on (that’s what this war is about, anyway).
I want Healthcare Coverage NOW. No “oh, some people will get it FIRST, and others won’t be able to get it…”; I want the Healthcare that these 3 Senators are currently getting, and HILLARY will get busy making that happen. I currently have NO health insurance and work 50 hours a week (2 part-time jobs).
I want the Ecomomy fixed–ASAP. The American Dollar is going down the tubes compared to other world currency. Hillary HAS THE PLAN to tackle the economy. I trust her to carry it out. SHE UNDERSTANDS WHAT IS WRONG—UNDERSTANDING WHAT IS WRONG is central to fixing the problem.
Hillary is simply the ONE—-the BEST of the 3.
Posted by: What Happened to the REAL Democratic Party? | April 8, 2008, 11:22 pm 11:22 pm
It is true. The media are biased!
What if Clinton’s every move is scrutenized while Obama gets away with murder. You Obamanians need to learn more about who you are supporting.
Posted by: Iraq_Vet | April 8, 2008, 11:23 pm 11:23 pm
“What I am say that no one should call her a bitch and whore which she has been called! ”
Russel, name a politician – including Obama – that has NOT been attacked with EVERY epithet anyone can ever come up with. If you can’t stand the heat get out of the oven. If you want kid gloves because you’re a woman you just aren’t ready.
Posted by: Political Observer | April 8, 2008, 11:24 pm 11:24 pm
“Are you shocked?”
No, because I don’t click on rightwing websites.
Posted by: Political Observer | April 8, 2008, 11:25 pm 11:25 pm
Miss Andry: but—-if you have healthy self-love and respect, you can cry for yourself and be “gentle” with yourself.
I DISAGREE strongly with the people who say that “Mrs. Clinton’s crying was acting—-she is a cold person”. I would be wondering about a person who CANNOT cry or show emotion….
Posted by: What Happened to the REAL Democratic Party? | April 8, 2008, 11:26 pm 11:26 pm
Whoops. That should have said “biased” reporting. But really, the big issue is this hard working lady has trumped all candidates when it has come to policies, plans and solutions to get this country back on the right path and thats what really should be reported on…..
The issues that concern each and everyone of us. We’re concerned about this recession, (possibly depression) and bringing peace back into our lives and into the lives of all people, while holding those who want to harm us at bay. Hillary has demonstated time and again that she has the guts, intelligence and yes, experience to get it done!
Hillary 08′
Posted by: SadStateOfAffairs | April 8, 2008, 11:26 pm 11:26 pm
The double standard is in the uneven ways in which OBama and Hillary have been treated by the media.
Obama has been catered to like a new toy which , if he makes a mistake or miscues on a speech or travels with the enemy…..is given permission to slip slide his way out of the mess with sweet talk and and a teflon vest.
Nothing he does ever requires being reprimanded by the press.
Hillary has been around longer; her past is not as empty as Obama’s…. so
although she has a much stronger record of accomplishment than he does, she can be slipped up by stuff that happened twenty years ago…. about the time Barry was being toilet trained.
If Barack doesn’t want his picture taken, it’s news. If Michelle wears a white shirt rather than a dark one,that’s great for an editorial. If he smiles at the horizon…. that’s good for a photo op.
But the stories about Rezko and the extended donations he made to Obama’s election funds, and the monies he gave to Barack while his tenants were living their winters in unheated apartments in his broken down tenements under B O’s watch because, Rezko claimed, he didn’t have any more money….. could get buried really and truly fast.
And Obama’s competition could never mention Pastor Wright because that was politically incorrect and became unmentionable by the media really and truly fast.
Meantime, the only time Hillary was mentioned was when one of her campaigners did something wrong or when Bill tried to stick up for her.
So immersed in Obama was the press that little was mentioned about what a strong. substantive speaker she is, and how she truly DID accomplish a lot, and how she is committed to helping our country during thes next very messy years, thanks to Bush and Cheney (who ought to be impeached!!!)
So yes, the media has been more than unfair to Hillary; in the handling of this election it has been short sighted and small minded.
What ever happened to the ethics of the original fourth estate?
And in the blogs, Hillary has demeaned reviled and slandered.
Some of the posts, of course are good… on both sides… but there are a hell of a lot of mean spirited stupid people out there who, I think, follow the media in so far as they can read and understand it.
And you guys….. HELLO UP THERE, I mean YOU… the keepers of these blogs… are not setting a very good example.
Posted by: EYES OPEN | April 8, 2008, 11:27 pm 11:27 pm
Wah
Posted by: Gregory | April 8, 2008, 11:27 pm 11:27 pm
I just watched the video, I heard the interview earlier today.
regardless of political party or person you are supporting.
everyone should be outraged that these men were able to say these things and not be reprimanded for it.
What kind of women do they have in their lives that they can get on tv and say that about another woman and their own women not be outraged. I mean what a way to make a buck-and I know they get paid big bucks-which also tells me it does not matter how much education or money you have you cannot buy decency.
Hillary clinton has been a good public servant-go and tell some of the people she has helped the children of arkansas
some of the 911 families-some of the first responders that were on the scene on 911.
What empty lives we must lead that we would get on this blog and abase ourselves like this.
If I were any of those guys wife I would have hung my head in shame when I saw him.
I thought we were suppose to be an every advancing civilization-I guess not.
If hillary clinton was as bad as some of you write-she would be in jail.
and the men on the video-really are low
no woman deserves to be talked about or talked to like that. and all the women on here should be voicing their outrage.
an injustice done to one woman-is an injustice to all women
and from what I have seen on this video
Hillary clinton has been done an injustice.
I am not for barack obama because I do not think he is ready to be president
I would like for him to go back to his job in the senate and serve the people he represents and increase his political resume.
What do the people who are not supporting hillary clinton want her to do?
public tarring and feathering? for having the nerve to run for president
should we flog her?
none of us know hillary clinton personally-and hillary has not done anything wrong to you personally that you should be lowrating yourself so much trying to bring her down.
attack her on the issues you do not agree with on. but for the sake of humanity lets stop talking about this woman the way these men talked about her.
I wonder what it would have been like if hillary mother and chris matthews mother were in the same retirement home and watching that video together.
she is only human-like obama,mccain
and all of you. stop abasing yourselves.
Posted by: jgaw | April 8, 2008, 11:28 pm 11:28 pm
“What do the people who are not supporting hillary clinton want her to do?”
Just go.
Posted by: Political Observer | April 8, 2008, 11:31 pm 11:31 pm
Political Observer: Hillary can take the heat her pantsuits are made of asbestos! I am the one complaining! You know that no politician could or should survive if he or she called their African American opponet the N word! It would and should be fatal, then why should we as a society accept women being called bitches and whores! If you can’t see the injustice and hpocricy in that then I think you are blind to the truth and nothing I say will convince you!
Posted by: russell | April 8, 2008, 11:32 pm 11:32 pm
What Happened to the REAL Democratic Party? —-
RIGHT ON!!!!!
Posted by: EYES OPEN | April 8, 2008, 11:32 pm 11:32 pm
Obama has two daughters of his own do you think he would want them when they grow up to be referred to as bitches and whores! I pray not!
Posted by: russell | April 8, 2008, 11:36 pm 11:36 pm
eyes open, maybe because if the news media bought into guilt by association as much as some of you people want, Hillary would be BURIED. There are PLENTY of dodgy associations in Clinton’s past. And Obama is no more responsible for Wright than Hillary is responsible for Bill’s genitalia, or the actions of those 30 plus felons with whom they have associated in the past, or the guy who was pushing that trade deal with Colombia.
All you have on Obama is guilt by association, which makes me wonder what the main reasons for the hate are. And in that Hillary has enough history to flood ANY other presidential candidate.
Posted by: Political Observer | April 8, 2008, 11:36 pm 11:36 pm
Hillary can take the heat her pantsuits are made of asbestos!
I know,
Posted by: Bill C | April 8, 2008, 11:37 pm 11:37 pm
just go
what no more public service-no more helping the people she can
no more clinton global initiative
no more free meds to aids pts.
no more helping katrina survivors
good public servant hillary clinton
should just go
and stop helping people
and will you take her place?
Posted by: jgaw | April 8, 2008, 11:40 pm 11:40 pm
“I would be wondering about a person who CANNOT cry or show emotion….”
I wonder more about a person who cries only on the eve of an important election when she knows it’s a negative issue for her.
Posted by: Cynique | April 8, 2008, 11:42 pm 11:42 pm
…..And, it is a known fact that the media is slanted, biased and twists things around—-I, like many others, continually am a bit unnerved when it once again becomes evident that this is the way it actually is.
We all should just take it for a FACT that the media is out for what THEY want….that they twist the truth…..and that they are just the among the most greedy on Earth, trying to make a buck at someone else’s expense…..they have NO shame or mercy and would rather annialate someone’s charatcer for the Almighty Dollar. Yet we are still shocked at what they do.
All for a story, they can destroy a person’s life, or cause panic, or bend and shape our opinions in subtle ways daily, without us questioning what is going on. When we stop questioning the media, and keep allowing them to do our thinking for us, that’s when we’re REALLY in trouble in this country.
We really give them too much power and trust.
Posted by: What Happened to the REAL Democratic Party? | April 8, 2008, 11:42 pm 11:42 pm
everyone-but at least every woman should be outraged at what has been said by these men in the media
we are going backwards-if we continue to support these stations that allow such.
I’ll be these men go to church
so one deacon to chris matthews
“chris you sure stuck it to old hillary”
“I can’t stand her-she is lower than a snake”
“keep up the good work chris”
now what kind of message is chris matthews sending to his son? his daugther?
an injustice to one woman anywhere is an injustice to all women.
ladies the next time some one calls you a name or gets you all wrong-and tells you about it. remember the terrible things you have written about hillary clinton.
it makes no difference if you are a woman running for president or a woman
working on the police force, or flipping hamburger-no woman deserves to have the things that were said about hillary said. and you all know it is true
Posted by: jgaw | April 8, 2008, 11:58 pm 11:58 pm
How can ANYBODY, with any sense of objectivity, not see the animus displayed towards Hillary by much of the MSN.
Posted by: Santiago | April 9, 2008, 12:01 am 12:01 am
Jake, it is sad to say that either they didn’t read your column OR it went right over their heads. Thank you for acknowledging what we women have noticed in this race and IN OUR OWN LIVES.
I think it is really sad that the young females typically are clueless to what is “WRONG” in that you tube video. INEXCUSABLE.
Posted by: mj | April 9, 2008, 12:03 am 12:03 am
The MSM (mainstream media) has been drinking Obama Kool-aid.
There is so much going against Obama that the media doesn’t report. He has made many contradictory statements, told lies, associated himself with questionable “friends”, pretended not to know anything about Wright’s anti-America anti-white attitudes and more.
But his actions tend to confirm that the does believe the things his friend and mentor have said because he doesn’t wear a flag pin (outward symbol to Wright and his congregation tht Obama agress with the church). He says he didn’t know about Wright’s hate speech or hear it. Then he said he did, etc., etc., etc.
He holds dual citizenship in Kenya and the US but won’t renounce his Kenyan citizenship.
He SEEMS to favor Islamic countries and want to talk with them.
Bottom line, there are dozens of things about this man that have not been vetted or talked about in the media.
And becuase he has so many question marks associated with him in these regards, he SHOULD NOT be President!
Posted by: Jo | April 9, 2008, 12:05 am 12:05 am
I agree there has been sexism and Hillary has taken advantage of it. She has complained constantly and the press have treated by walking on eggshells around her. They don’t dare ask her tough questions. Because she is a woman, she is treated much better than the men.
Posted by: Linda O | April 9, 2008, 12:05 am 12:05 am
Well, ONE thing is FOR SURE—–there really IS something wrong with the MSM objectivity when Hillary supporters have even come out and cried ‘foul!’ when there has been an unfair nasty jab at McCain or obama on occasion….
Posted by: What Happened to the REAL Democratic Party? | April 9, 2008, 12:08 am 12:08 am
POLITICAL OBSERVER:
There IS not hate.
Just a whole lot of questions.
Posted by: EYES OPEN | April 9, 2008, 12:09 am 12:09 am
Linda O; …..that’s a funny post…..and you are saying that, as a woman, there is no double-standard against women in general?
Posted by: What Happened to the REAL Democratic Party? | April 9, 2008, 12:10 am 12:10 am
Hillary Clinton is behind. She has an entire machine behind her because her husband is a former President. The amount of political and power connections they established when they were in the White House is not to be over looked. The advantage she has should be insurmountable and yet Obama and his supporters are giving her a run that she never expected.
There is no double standard, only the Clintons trying to reconcile the fact they are losing.
Posted by: Esme | April 9, 2008, 12:10 am 12:10 am
“Esme”: All the more reason to vote for Hillary—–Bill Clinton’s years in the White House gave America many positives……I wonder so much how obama came from virtually NO WHERE 6 years ago—–has hardly ANY experience….has not “paid his political dues” like so many other politicians, and gets swept into such a race as he has……it is a bit fishy to me—–this has never happened in American history, and I don’t trust his rise to fame so quickly……it didn’t even happen for JFK that way……we must dwelve deeper to find out EXACTLY who this man obama really is. For our own national well-being.
Posted by: What Happened to the REAL Democratic Party? | April 9, 2008, 12:18 am 12:18 am
Asking if there’s a double standard towards Clinton is like asking if the sky is blue. I started out this race as an Edwards supporter and even then the media’s fawning over Obama and obvious hatred towards Clinton bothered me. It was this bias, that made me start to research Senator Obama on my own and what I found was appalling. I knew about Rev. Wright, Rezko, William Ayers, Auchi, Hezbollah and others MONTHS before the media mentioned them. Even now, the only thing in Obama’s past that has even been tangentially covered is Wright. And that doesn’t even begin to touch on his lies or his history of stripping others off the ballot — including a black female incumbent civil rights activist. He has a history of disenfranchising voters and playing the dirtiest politics imaginable. If the media had done its job or at least acted in a fair manner I’d never have taken it upon myself to research the man. As it stands, there is no way this man can win the general election. The GOP will eat him alive. They don’t need the press to do its job — 527s and swiftboat vets will do it without them.
Posted by: jb | April 9, 2008, 12:18 am 12:18 am
I am glad you said it-occasional swipe at mccain and obama-but everyday on all stations hillary is being trashed
and I am sorry i do not hear her complaining about it. because if she was complaining about it-we would hear nothing else from her-because the media never lets up.
and the bosnia sniper deal-give it a rest-not voting for hillary because of something like that is silly
and continuing to bring that up-when everyday someone else loses a home
health insurance-has to wonder what they can do next-because their life is falling apart.
and all we as intelligent voters-with computers-and the internet-can do is write-sniper fire.
hillary has a plan to help people
and she has the fight in her to do it.
knock her on her lack of command on the issues and how to fix them.
but please stop with the sniper fire.
do any of you think some people are so against hillary because they maybe afraid if she becomes president she will prove to be a good one?
Posted by: jgaw | April 9, 2008, 12:19 am 12:19 am
Every time Obama gives some “major” speech, MSNBC and CNN run it live, telling us “history is being made” and “Obama is the next JFK”. Do they give Hillary or McCain equal time? NO! Aren’t there laws regarding how much free air time the networks give the candidates? By the way, the video is sure to be shared by millions of democrats across the country. I’ve even sent it to my Republican woman friends, who knows, maybe they are closet feminists….
Posted by: rs | April 9, 2008, 12:19 am 12:19 am
I don’t think the major networks have any understanding of just how annoyed many of Clinton’s supporters are. The sexism displayed on the video was sickening, and I for one would be more than willing to participate in a full msm boycott if one should be organized.
The studies conducted by independent watchdog organizations have documented the anti-Clinton bias in the media, and it is something I’ve noticed as well. Any time Clinton makes a mistake, the pundits chew on it like a bone for days and weeks on end. Meanwhile, many of Obama’s mistakes are often quickly dismissed or explained away.
In listening to the commentators, I can’t help but feel that they are totally disconnected from main stream Americans. I’ve literally stopped watching MSNC and CNN because tuning in became like a trip through the looking glass, as though venturing through an alternate universe.
In what should be a serious wake up call for the other networks, I’ve actually turned to Fox News for more fair and balanced coverage. I’m not fooling myself, it’s just refreshing to watch a network where both Democratic candidates are raked over the coals in a fair and balanced manner.
Oh, and as for the Democratic Party, they should seriously be concerned that right about now, the only talking heads making sense are the Republicans. The Democrats coming out as apologists for Rev. Wright don’t seem to realize their excuses won’t fly with many main stream voters.
Posted by: Sharon | April 9, 2008, 12:23 am 12:23 am
Dear “What Happened to the REAL Democratic Party?” I love your name and question….
The Democratic Party as we knew it is long gone! They can’t figure out their own rules and apply them consistently. They had a “50-state Strategy” and the Democratic Party and Obama thinks it’s quite alright just leave out 2 of the 50 states? Pretty soon many states will leave the Democratic Party permanently!
Obama fits in well with the current Democratic Party–we’ll just ignore the problems and hope they go away on their own….
Or, maybe Obama and the Democratic Party can sit back and just have the MSM eliminate the candidate making waves about the archaic rules and inconsistent application of the existing rules! That seems to be working too!
Posted by: PA Voter | April 9, 2008, 12:24 am 12:24 am
Fairness for Hillary? Well, let’s see how reporters handle fairness in the middle east shall we? American journalist Aaron Klein, who grew up Orthodox in Philadelphia, found himself drawn to journalism in general, and Middle Eastern journalism in particular (aided by his olive complexion) after Osama bin Laden’s fatwa against the West and 9/11, motivated by a growing conviction that the vast majority of reporters covering terrorism and the Middle East “don’t have the ability to tell good from evil. These reporters have absolutely no moral compass whatsoever. They think being a reporter means being ‘balanced’; they think it means one thing – that the truth is on both sides, that both sides are equal… They think our anti-terror operations, which target terrorists who hide among women and children, which target jihadists launching rockets from civilian apartment buildings, which target gunmen who fire from a crowd of unarmed civilians, are morally equivalent to suicide bombers or terror leaders who fire rockets into population centers.”
So, its official. Reporter treat terrorists more “fair and balanced” than Hillary Clinton here at home. That says everything that needs to be said.
Posted by: Dogsoldier | April 9, 2008, 12:25 am 12:25 am
I do not post links…..Republican dirty tricks?
Posted by: Jackie | April 9, 2008, 12:28 am 12:28 am
Sharon: i have been HOPING that someone who is Website savvy would make a site for people to discuss ways to boycott the MSM, but no one has yet…..I am surprised, as there are some weird websites out there!
Posted by: What Happened to the REAL Democratic Party? | April 9, 2008, 12:30 am 12:30 am
there has absolutely been terrible bias against Clinton. She has received much tougher press coverage as many studies have outlined. I am continually dismayed that Obama has not received the same level of scrutiny. Why is it that his continued mis-statements and flip-flops do not get the same level of coverage. It is a disgrace and leaves a black mark on the legacy of the media.
Posted by: MAB | April 9, 2008, 12:30 am 12:30 am
… so what do you think of a
CLINTON-EDWARDS TICKET?????
Posted by: EYES OPEN | April 9, 2008, 12:31 am 12:31 am
Whatever happens to Hillary, I have never seen any other candidate take such a brutal biased bashing from the media day after day and remain standing. I know some people are tired of the Clintons. They want new characters and new material. I know she is a fascinating character, so she is a lightning rod for attention. But she simply has the smarts and toughness to excel at the job of being president for all Americans. I strongly believe that we will regret veering left with Obama or right with McCain.
of the CLinonsmany peoplepeopl,eNo other candidate I have seen would still be in the race. She is tough as they come and I will always respect her for that.
Posted by: hopesprings52 | April 9, 2008, 12:32 am 12:32 am
Ironically, PA Voter, I am also: “Count All the Votes and Seat the Delegates” : )
Posted by: What Happened to the REAL Democratic Party? | April 9, 2008, 12:33 am 12:33 am
hopesprings52: it is also notable that, if a person looks at articles on these blogs, and looks at the post-responses, articles about Hillary and Bill garner SO MANY MORE posts than articles about McCain or that other candidate running—–now who was he???
Posted by: What Happened to the REAL Democratic Party? | April 9, 2008, 12:35 am 12:35 am
Hillary’s words and actions have created more issues for her than Barack’s words and actions have created for him.
She’s whining again. And that’s not in a sexist way. She’s complaining that she’s getting scrutinized at all. She expected the media to fawn over the Clinton legacy. She expected blacks to blindly adore her. She expected forgiveness for her conflicts of interest and poor judgement.
She’s still living her fantasy. Asleep, unfortunately.
Posted by: kravitz | April 9, 2008, 12:35 am 12:35 am
kravitz: did you vote for Bill Clinton…..and, did you vote for George W. Bush?
Posted by: What Happened to the REAL Democratic Party? | April 9, 2008, 12:37 am 12:37 am
I, for one, would love a Clinton-Edwards ticket if Edwards will take it. At the very least he needs to given a cabinet position or the poverty czar position Clinton mentioned creating. Edwards is a fighter that could do for the issues of poverty and health care what Gore did for the environment. Two fighters like Clinton and Edwards could restore the democratic party to its glory days and refocus us on the bread and butter issues that matter.
Posted by: jb | April 9, 2008, 12:38 am 12:38 am
JB… This is striking but I did the same investigating months ago and came to a very similar list of people and ultimate conclusion about Obama; and, I should note that he’s way too scary for me to ever vote for!
Unfortunately, the MSM doesn’t want the people to know the real Obama (and company) because Obama still sends tingles up the legs of the MSM!
When I mention to my friends the people you’ve listed, they have no clue who or what I’m talking about. And they are turned off when I try to explain even the easy connections. JB, you might want to add IL’s governor to your list….
Posted by: PA Voter | April 9, 2008, 12:39 am 12:39 am
Baloney. It’s not sexism; it’s Hillary Clinton. The NPR interview is classic Clinton. Ask her one question and she’ll give you some packaged feed on how disadvantaged she is. This is a woman with a Yale education, who worked as a corporate attorney for a six-figure salary, who has the support of Forbes 400 thugs, who is apparently worth over $100 Million dollars and she is whining again. Does Clinton strike anyone as being disadvantaged?? Compared to how the vast majority of American women have to make it through the day? No one else with that profile would have the nerve to whine on NPR about how tough she has it. The problem is not sexism, it is Hillary Clinton. She and Mark Penn have run a ruthless, lie-a-day campaign and now she’s playing the female card again. Have other women leaders whined about being treated unfairly because they were women? No. Golda Meir? Margaret Thatcher? Madeline Allbright? Olympia Snowe? Michelle Bachelet of Chile? Those women talk (or talked) about issues, they led, and they were consistent. They didn’t lean on their husband’s experience one week, come on like a truck driver the next week, and whine to the press the next week about being a woman. They were smart and tough and had scrupples. I want a woman president – but I want one with a conscious. God help us if Hillary is elected and we have to listen to this drone for the next eight years every time she is down – along with Bill’s rampages. Yes. That’s what I said. Rampages. Anyone remember that word being used in reference to Mrs. Clinton?
Posted by: Mara | April 9, 2008, 12:41 am 12:41 am
PA Voter, I’ve read some about the IL governor as well. Obama’s connections to seedy characters are too many to name.
Posted by: jb | April 9, 2008, 12:53 am 12:53 am
Dear “QUESTIONER”… I think Michelle Obama and Rev. Wright were both draining Obama’s Mo… So I think he sent them into the “The Obama Files” closet….
You know the saying “out of sight, out of mind”…. Does that work that way with voters? Time will tell! LOL…
Posted by: PA Voter | April 9, 2008, 12:56 am 12:56 am
If Hillary wasn’t asked the tough questions you same people would be complaining she was being patronized and not taken seriously.
I do a TV show, with a strong presenter. Some politicians don’t want to come on and face him. I always say that if you can come on and face him down BECAUSE YOU HAVE GOOD REASONS you can only win.
If he pandered to you, you would have the opportunity to prove NOTHING. You’d just feel better.
Of course, if you can’t hack it stay at home.
Posted by: Newsbeat | April 9, 2008, 12:59 am 12:59 am
Once again I will say, ladies we had better be careful of what we say around our girls and boys about hillary clinton
because-think about it-all they see is one accomplished woman-some one they could admire for what she has accomplished. so what are you going to say to your daugther when she says I am going to run for president one day just like sen. clinton.
are you going to sit her down and say no honey you don’t want to be like her
(and them start telling the girl about some of the stuff you just can’t stand her for) I assure you-your stature will probally deminish in the childs eye.
and when you child hears you running public servants down as you do hillary clnton-and as the news media does
what you can sometimes end up with is the teen girl fight that is all over the news tonight.
Posted by: jgaw | April 9, 2008, 1:00 am 1:00 am
“SHE WON’T BE IN IT ONLY
FOR THE MONEY!”
No. The glory too. But the money’s a biggie.
She ain’t Mother Teresa
Posted by: Spectacular Day | April 9, 2008, 1:01 am 1:01 am
JB… I agree! If you want a daily dose (and sometimes it’s more than a dose),
Pringle’s article “Barack Obama – Operation Board Games For Slumlords” is so lengthy that this website has broken it into 4 parts!
Posted by: PA Voter | April 9, 2008, 1:02 am 1:02 am
“I am going to run for president one day just like sen. clinton.”
I’d tell her “Run for president by all means, but don’t do ANYTHING like Senator Clinton”.
Posted by: Spectacular Day | April 9, 2008, 1:03 am 1:03 am
“A Nationwide Protest is planned this Friday in New York! ”
If it’s in one location in New York it is hardly a Nationwide protest. It’s a flash mob!!!
Posted by: Welly Boots | April 9, 2008, 1:04 am 1:04 am
Rob. believe it or not, it is not harder for a rich white woman to become president than a black man
at least unless that rich white woman has a lot of other strikes against her
there’s been lots of them in the white house
not a lot of blacks
Posted by: As if | April 9, 2008, 1:19 am 1:19 am
I love you people buying into the Fox “fair and balanced” thing.
Such a laugh.
There’s only one kind of people who watch Fox News and they are NOT Democrats.
Posted by: Gordon Brown | April 9, 2008, 1:21 am 1:21 am
Amazing how for so many of you “balanced” means “supports my own preferences”.
But on the other hand it’s not amazing at all. It’s human nature.
Posted by: Socrat | April 9, 2008, 1:23 am 1:23 am
Thanks torch, count me in NYC !
Posted by: rob | April 9, 2008, 1:23 am 1:23 am
“It’s not sexism; it’s Hillary Clinton. The NPR interview is classic Clinton. Ask her one question and she’ll give you some packaged feed on how disadvantaged she is. This is a woman with a Yale education, who worked as a corporate attorney for a six-figure salary, who has the support of Forbes 400 thugs, who is apparently worth over $100 Million dollars and she is whining again. Does Clinton strike anyone as being disadvantaged?? Compared to how the vast majority of American women have to make it through the day? No one else with that profile would have the nerve to whine on NPR about how tough she has it. ”
Mara, that is the truest post here.
Posted by: Michael J | April 9, 2008, 1:25 am 1:25 am
so sen. clinton has not done anything good during her public life that you can tell your daughter about?
will you tell the child her school history book is a lie?
because everything about hillary is a lie?
was it a lie about the work she did with the arkansas school system?
was the first responder at 911 telling a lie when he said sen. clinton was one of the first ones to question about the air quality?
I will ask you again-do you believe sen. clinton whole public service life is just one big lie?
and anyone who believes anything different-are just what? wrong?
there will be no getting around the fact that if your daughter ran for president it would be on the shoulder on shirley c.,barbara jordan (?) and yes hillary clinton.and you can lie to your daugther and deny it-but the fact will remain.
Posted by: jgaw | April 9, 2008, 1:27 am 1:27 am
“and when you child hears you running public servants down as you do hillary clnton”
jgaw
Do you really think for one second that Hillary Clinton regards herself as ANYONE’s servant? Let alone the public’s?
I’ve met both Clintons. They believe they were born to RULE not serve.
Posted by: Newsbeat | April 9, 2008, 1:28 am 1:28 am
jgaw
If i want to read rehashed stuff from hillaryclinton.com I’ll go the source thanks.
Posted by: Newsbeat | April 9, 2008, 1:29 am 1:29 am
Gordon Brown,You’re wrong, I use to cringe at Fox news, and yes I am a democrat. That is how bad this media has been. And yes I know they are not fair and balanced, but as I said they hate Obama and Clinton equally, thus making coverage equal. If you go to some pro Hillary websites you will see a lot of her supporters have resorted to this for their news.
Posted by: rob | April 9, 2008, 1:29 am 1:29 am
“it would be on the shoulder on shirley c.,barbara jordan (?) and yes hillary clinton.”
No it won’t. My daughter has better examples to look up to. I didn’t like Thatcher’s politics, but at least she always stood on her principles. And I’ll take Angela Merkel, Golda Meir, Corzon Aguino, Aung Saan Su Kyi, and Indira Gandhi over Clinton any day.
Posted by: Spectacular Day | April 9, 2008, 1:32 am 1:32 am
well newsbeat, sounds like sour grapes to me-did the clintons tell you they were born to rule-or did you just decide that on your own.from observing them?
I cannot see anyone coming from the background of bill clinton thinkin he was born to rule
and beside they sure did prepare-they are both very smart people. and it seems they prepared well.
Posted by: jgaw | April 9, 2008, 1:32 am 1:32 am
I wonder if all those Obama girls realize that they will be discriminated against when the go looking for that high paying job? And if they are lucky enough to land a good job they will be making less than their male colleagues for doing the same job simply because they are female. Perhaps those Obama girls do not realize that the same people bashing Hillary Clinton with their sexist remarks are bashing all women, themselves, their mothers and their daughters. And for all of you men out there: they are bashing your wives, daughters and mothers. You say ‘no, they are bashing Hillary”. Listen again. Plus Hillary is someone’s daughter, wife and mother. She’s one tough woman worthy of the rigors of the Presidency. Men have made a mess out of our Democracy..it’s time for a woman to clean it up. Hillary ’08
Posted by: mpwdc | April 9, 2008, 1:32 am 1:32 am
well newsbeat, sounds like sour grapes to me-did the clintons tell you they were born to rule-or did you just decide that on your own.from observing them?
I cannot see anyone coming from the background of bill clinton thinkin he was born to rule
and beside they sure did prepare-they are both very smart people. and it seems they prepared well.
Posted by: jgaw | April 9, 2008, 1:33 am 1:33 am
Discrimination because of “Black name”?Is that like discrimination because of AGE or RACE? Both are against the law.I know of a case where a woman with a “male” sounding name was discriminated against when it became known that she was a woman and not a man. She won the discrimination suit. I wonder if all of those African American women newscasters make as much as their African American or White male colleagues? Unequal pay for the same job is not , as far as I know, not against the law. The White male is paid more on the average and the Black female is paid the least, even for the same job.
Posted by: mpwdc | April 9, 2008, 1:51 am 1:51 am
Spec Day, that’s not what I’m saying at all. What I’m saying is that she shouldn’t have to be perfect as so many female detractors seem to think. Perfection is a standard no one can meet and yet that is the standard many women and men are holding her to. A similar thing is happening with Obama for a lot of people that support him only they have built him up as perfect and simply refuse to see any flaws. Both scenarios are ones that either reject or accept a candidate based on the idea of them being perfect rather than examining them and accepting them warts and all.
Posted by: jb | April 9, 2008, 1:52 am 1:52 am
thanks jb, I agree.
spec. day
Hillary has a place in the history books even if she does not win the nomination.
and I say again the road to the presidency will be a little smoother for your daughter because of what hillary did this time around.
as we have already eostablished the media bias is unbelievable-a lesser principled person would have given up long ago-but it is because she stands for doing good-that she is still standing. and this is why so many people even her critics are amazed at her toughness.
and Jb is right all the women you mentioned are-shall I say-not from around here.
i still say-no matter what you say and feel-it will never change the fact-because hillary withstood the double standard now-you daughter will some day be president of this country
and she will mention the debt of gratitude she has for hillary clinton
of course-when she says that you can cover your ears.
for paving the way.
Posted by: jgaw | April 9, 2008, 1:55 am 1:55 am
Just saw the video, wouldn’t come up before, too many hits? Anyway, I loved it, VERY POWERFUL, hopefully it will get people talking.
Posted by: rob | April 9, 2008, 1:56 am 1:56 am
Hillary:
There is no double standard. You are making false claims (as you often do). The contest between you and Obama is not “very close” as you repeatedly claim. It is currently an objective reality that you currently have zero probability of surpassing Obama in pledged delegates. It is also objective reality that you have zero chance in overcomong Obama in the number of states won. Further it is a near impossability for you to exceed Obama in the popular vote. Therefore, senator Clinton, the contest is far from close. You have made a choice to subject the Democratic Party to harm by continuing to fight and weaken Obama despite your own lack of a realistic chance of winning (in a way that Democrats could accept [i.e., other than through the superdelegates' rejection of Obama's multiple leads, which would be undemocratic]). Reasonable candidates for elections end their runs when it becomes clear that they dont have a reasonable chance of winning. Otherwise, you waste other people’s money, other peoples’ resources, or you harm your own partys’ chances of winning in the general election (which you are doing).
That said you have every right to choose to continue to run all the way to the convention. But if you do, you must also be willing to accept the consequences of doing so. The amount of disdain for your actions is snowballing among Democrats.
Posted by: Mike Denhof | April 9, 2008, 2:01 am 2:01 am
This is kind of issues that need to be raised and discussed. Blacks are blindly voting their own. Obama is also helped by younger generation who are naive and unsophisticated. Ask any one of Obama supporters that what he has done. What is his strategic plan? The answer, virtually none or copy of Clinton’s plan. Obama was against the war but voted to fund the war every time just like Hillary. How many time during the debate did you hear Obama said I agree with Hillary. Obama knows how to criticize someone else but can’t come out with his own plan. Why is it so hard for Americans to understand this. This country is going down and will never recover if Obama is elected. He seemed too stupid to even come up with a simple budget. I guess you would manage well if you expected $5 in donation but got $5,000. Don’t get fooled by this idiot, please. Wake up America and really do your homework instead of being cynical about everything. Look very carefully of what Obama has done thus far rather than be awed struck.
Posted by: KERRY | April 9, 2008, 2:09 am 2:09 am
We need a Strong Person to be president.
One who is dedicated to this country, and only this country. One who cares about the people and the government. One who can deal with and work with foreign relations and other country leaders. Having the character to be trusted, Stand their Ground and willing to march into war or die protecting The country and the people.
The world has been watching closely. They have seen him lie and the truth come out. They have seen him flip flop on issues and foreign affairs. They have heard his words on Trade. They see he is a pacifist. They have seen him Not answer direct questions. I’m sure our enemies would love him.
We all know that political promises are air in the wind.
The majority of democrats see Obama for what he is, and they do not want him.
Why he is being shoved down our throats is beyond me. The DNC must not care about the American people. It will be the DNC’s fault for tearing the party apart, That is something they will have to carry on their shoulders, the people know this.
God bless America
A vote for America is a Vote against Obama.
Posted by: KERRY | April 9, 2008, 2:10 am 2:10 am
I support Hillary not because she is a woman. Because I am a Democrat and the other candidate Is one of the worse candidates I have ever seen for president.
If Obama is on the democratic ballot for president in the general election. I will vote republican and being a voting democrat for 40 years and using a sane mind and sound judgment evaluating all the issues and policies and following all the canidates. The man should not be president Of The United States of America.
He does not have what it takes. To serve the people or the country.
Omitting all the motivational speeches and the campaign promises. He has not much For being the leader and Head of a country. At least not any more than you or I.
He has some major character flaws. You can not lie on and about your friends in public. When you do everyone can see you are a liar. You do not lie about your family, no matter what. When you do that in public That shows you do not care about anyone. He has done both numerious times.
He has talked down on Americans and has called Americans racist.
He has spent all of his time as a Senator first year preparing to run for president, the next campaigning.
He came from Nowhere and his goal was to go non-stop to the top.
He flip flops on issues, changes his mind about policies.
He avoids, eludes, evades and two-steps direct questions. Or changes the subject.
He Has blamed, pointed fingers, accused, blamed some more. Slung mud, mislead people, lied to the American people.
He has used people and manipulated people.
I find no Qualities That would make him a Good President.
He is an excellent orator. We do not need a speaker.
We need a Strong Person to be president.
Posted by: KERRY | April 9, 2008, 2:10 am 2:10 am
I have tried to be patient with the Obama supporters.
1. The PEOPLE of Fl and Mi did not agree to anything- much less to be disenfranchised – and they are the ones that matter, not any politician.
2. Obama’s rock star status gave him name recognition. Oprah held his hand everywhere.
3. Obama was the ONLY one to break the rules and campaigned in Florida via his very expensive TV ads- and Hillary still won.
4. A re-vote is exactly that- a re-vote and it gives Obama the edge since supposedly he improves with time, like a fine wine.
5. Hillary did NOT campaign anywhere. Obama ran ads in Fl and told people to vote uncommitted in Mi. Kind of like his “present” votes in the Senate.
6. Punish the democratic voters in 2 very important states and you can kiss the election goodbye in Nov.
7. Look up the role of superdelegates for yourselves… otherwise they will close this post before I can educate all of you.
Posted by: ted | April 9, 2008, 2:13 am 2:13 am
Hillary simultaneously lowering the bar for herself and raising the bar for Obama. She has discounted caucuses as democratic (because she didn’t win them), discounted smaller states (because she didn’t win them), and claiming that Michigan and Florida need to count because she “won” them. Meanwhile, she is recasting herself as the underdog, claiming that Obama is really losing because she is not “putting her away.” That is kind of like the New England Patriots going into the SB as the heavy favorites, coming out of the third quarter in a neck to neck game, and then saying in the final two minutes “well now that you have proved us to be a formidable opponent, we will only acknowledge your supremacy if you kick our butts.” Obama had the better game plan, period.
Sometimes the favorite can get themselves back in the game. Blaming the refs isn’t going to do it.
Posted by: Mia | April 9, 2008, 2:15 am 2:15 am
So we are supposed to hand the nomination to Clinton because two states screwed it up for themselves? I don’t really care if Michigan and Florida do decide the election. As long as Hillary doesn’t win, I’m happy.
Let me remind people that she wouldn’t have been in this situation in the first place if her campaing strategy was not “I deserve this because I’m a Clinton/woman/from a more important big state/ (circle one).” She underestimated Barack Obama and she assumed incorrectly that her negativity rating would not matter (it has). Even if Obama loses, in mere terms of fundraising power, he will still have clout. If Clinton loses, well she’ll always have New York.
Posted by: Mia | April 9, 2008, 2:25 am 2:25 am
If Wyoming and Montana were the states with voters that are being disenfranchised, would Hillary even care? No, just the ones that will inflate her numbers.
There will come a time where NO ONE will feel sorry for Florida anymore. Their problem is obviously bigger than this nomination.
Posted by: Mia | April 9, 2008, 2:29 am 2:29 am
I was a Hillary supporter…but she is really starting to bore me with her “sexist” media crap. Yes, because it was “sexism” that made you the frontrunner to start, right?
I guess your view changes when you’re constantly looking at someone else’s backside.
Posted by: Mia | April 9, 2008, 2:33 am 2:33 am
There is definitely a bias especially with regard to Clinton lies as opposed to Obama meant to say this. She has had gaffs, Obama has lied. About ties to Rezko, his relationships with the black panther groups and what he has accomplished in his Chicago district. We know nothing about the man. Many media are afraid of the racist label. Which is pinned to anyone who questions him.
Posted by: glennmcgahee | April 9, 2008, 2:35 am 2:35 am
This primary has deeply saddened me. I didn’t realize how much sexism still exists in this country. As far as the person who said racism trumps sexism, please reflect on this: When someone says something that could even remotely be interperted as racist, the media is appalled and all over it for months. If someone makes a blatant sexist remark, not only does the press not call them on it, they laugh. Seems more acceptable?
As far as the math, I wonder what it would be if the media had promoted Clinton, like they have Obama, and said negative things about him daily. When you hear something over and over again, you start to believe it. I have had to stop watching Cnn and msnbc. Hillary supporters are watching fox because , as Ed Rendell said, they hate both canidates, so get equal treatment. I feel like I’m watching a 24 hour commercial for Obama everywhere else. The selling of a president, just like they sold the Iraq war. I just hope we don’t end up with the same results.
Posted by: rob | April 9, 2008, 2:36 am 2:36 am
“But I think the question is being asked because Clinton is trailing in delegates and the Democrats’ proportionally-allocated delegate system means the math is tough for her.
“Numbers aren’t sexist.”
You really puzzle me.
No, numbers aren’t sexist; but spin is. As Hillary said, Obama can’t win without Superdelegate support, either. Whenever Obama or one of his supporters says that Hillary can’t win on pledged delegates, he’s implying that he can; and that’s disingenuous, insincere and hypocritical. And nobody calls him on it. Nobody. Why is that?
Furthermore, the Democratic primary system was designed to be undemocratic the way it is for a reason. If the Superdelegates slavishly follow the popular vote, they completely undermine the reason they were created in the first place. Obama has repeatedly accused Hillary of trying to change the rules regarding the Florida and Michigan vote in midstream, implying that he doesn’t try to change the rules in midstream. But in promoting the idea, early and often, that the Superdelegates should fall in line with the popular vote, this is exactly what he is trying to do. Again, he is disingenuous, insincere and hypocritical; and again, nobody calls him on it. Nobody.
I don’t know if the MSM is cynical, has contempt for the public or is just plain stupid, but they had better realize that their credibility is at stake. America is finally waking up to the incredible media bias in this country.
Posted by: Mike Frazier | April 9, 2008, 2:41 am 2:41 am
Sexism no doubt plays apart in this election,there are some men and probably some women who doesn’t want a woman for president. I don’t think that is totally why Hillary is losing. Her character flaws are her downfall. Arrogance: I am a Clinton I deserve to win.Conceit:being first lady does not qualify one to be president.Her white house schedule even though does not deny,but does neither confirms her experience argument.Good judgment should come with experience;well after all Hillary did vote for the Iraq war.Deliberate deception:We landed under sniper fire and had to run to our vehicles.Blatant disregards for rules,esp when they are not in her favor,If anyone thinks that HRC would be advocating for FL and MI if she did not need them to help close her delagate count is delusional. If these states were to benefit Obama she would be yelling foul.Not to mention her win at all cost attitude,her high negatives,and her unlikability.
No more Clintons!
Posted by: merle7 | April 9, 2008, 4:02 am 4:02 am
What?? the media is bias aginst Clinton!!! give us a break its the other way around. The negative publicity that was raked up by Clinton was made by the Clinton camp. The Bosnia sniper saga, the Penn Columbia trade deal which is a wink wink, The woman hospitalized which in turn false story, the Tax Return with lots of money and all other negatives was not the making of the media, the media only report it. The problem is Hillary, she is not prepared to win and she is not ready to lose also. What a whining!!!!
Posted by: alexis compton | April 9, 2008, 4:29 am 4:29 am
This is for those who think Clinton doesn’t care about the small votes. If she didn’t she would be out of the race. She has said time and time again let all votes be heard. Since Montana is one of those small states, I guess she cares because they have yet to vote.
Caucuses are undemocratic. The votes at caucuses are not private. They are disorganized and dienfranchise voters like my husband who works second shift. The outcomes are very easily swayed like in our District in Kansas. The doors to the auditorium were not closed at 7 pm and people were let inside the building until after 7 pm.
So those of you who have never caucused have no idea what is like. I will never caucus again. I do not understand why we even caucused, Kansas had not done it in over 20 years. The reason I think we did was because our Democratic Party led by Sebelius did not have the money to pay for a primary and Sebelius did not want to use state monsy. What a joke!
Posted by: navyvet48 | April 9, 2008, 4:56 am 4:56 am
Numbers can lie when they’re based on suspect caucuses, Republican “Democrats for a day” and all the free promotion the MSM can provide.
They’re selling us Obama just like they sold us GWB, and we all know how that turned out.
In fact why bother with an election? I’m waiting for the Supreme Court to anoint him any day.
Posted by: Mel | April 9, 2008, 5:06 am 5:06 am
I havent seen sexism but there has been outright BIAS against Hillary Clinton. I dont think it has to do with the fact she is a woman . Its to do with owns the media. I still havent figured out if the really or for Obama, or just want Clinton out so Mc Cain can lower corporate taxes.
Posted by: tomdavie | April 9, 2008, 5:31 am 5:31 am
I’ve noticed a disturbing trend on these boards, and this is as good a place to mention it as any.
Obama supporters talk hope and unity, but when a Hillary supporter says (s)he’ll vote for McCain over Obama, they get hit with a nasty response. Often it’s an attempt to browbeat, sometimes it’s a childish “nananana so will I if Hillary wins”.
Rather than change, this mimics the worst kind of behavior we’ve seen from the Republican party during recent decades. Furthermore, since Obama claims his presidency will be “ground up” this behavior only serves to push people further away from Obama.
Obama followers just don’t get it. This has nothing to do with thinking McCain is the perfect candidate; it has everything to do with Obama being perfectly unacceptable to so many people (and it has absolutely nothing to do with the color of his skin). He’s outspent Hillary 2 to 1, 3 to 1, 4 to 1, 5 to 1. Why hasn’t he been able to seal the deal yet? Even if he ekes out a nomination, do you really believe he can win the White House?
Posted by: HoosierSue | April 9, 2008, 6:13 am 6:13 am
Objectively speaking, Barack can’t win for one big reason: The Swing States will go to Mccain. No swing states= Democrats lose. It’s that simple. Mccain will win in Penn, Florida, and Ohio vs Barack. All the other red states Barack won vs Hillary will go republican. At least with Hillary, she can win Ohio, Penn, Florida against Mccain.
Posted by: todd | April 9, 2008, 6:18 am 6:18 am
“She ain’t Mother Teresa.”
Actually, Hillary has been honored with the Mother Teresa Award. You probably missed it buried among her long list of accomplishments.
Posted by: HoosierSue | April 9, 2008, 6:36 am 6:36 am
I think that there have been two things working against Hillary Clinton in the media’s bias:
First, she is punished for Bill’s affairs. It is evident that people still have very raw feelings about some of what transpired in the Whitehouse when he was president and believe that she should have left him. Those are personal decisions. But to ask Chelsea about Monica or make references to where Bill would be when Hillary is answering the phone at 3:00 AM is not appropriate in a political discussion. The media using words like “pimped out” shows their prejudice.
Second, when you look at the video tape — and at local news broadcasts not captured there — when critical words are used about Senator Clinton they are always female stereotypical words at their worst and color the public’s perceptions. The least flattering photos of Senator Clinton are the ones — taken from archives — that adorn news columns.
Voters who support her policies can separate the hit job being done on her from the real candidate. Those very passionate about it will punish Senator Obama for his silence on the subject. That is how it will even itself out.
Posted by: beebop | April 9, 2008, 6:43 am 6:43 am
You bet the media has trashed Hillary with sexist comments, while all but ignoring Obama’s own chauvinism. Here’s a recap of Obama’s comments to women on a recent day on the campaign trail in PA.
At recent campaign stops in Allentown and Scranton on April 1st, Senator Obama turned on what he thought was “charm” with the ladies, in a pitiful attempt to get their votes. While touring a factory in Allentown, he flirted with the women there, addressing them as “Sweetie” and “Beautiful”. Later that day in Scranton, he came upon Denise Mercuri, a Dunmore pharmacist and Clinton supporter, proudly wearing a Hillary campaign button. He approached her to find out what he had to do to get her vote. His offer? Getting down on his knees, and a kiss. Is this all he has to offer women or is this what he thinks we actually want? I knew Obama lacked experience and had a very disturbing relationship with Jeremiah Wright. Well, we can now add chauvinism to the list of reasons why he should not be the Democratic candidate. Newsflash to Barack: Most women are nothing like your “Obama Girl”. We don’t have a crush on you and your recent behavior shows that you are nothing but a condescending chauvinist who thinks that flirting and kisses will turn all the ladies’ heads and votes your way.
I’m voting for Hillary Clinton.
Posted by: Sandy in PA | April 9, 2008, 6:58 am 6:58 am
I don’t see a double standard at all. Sen. Obama will win more than 50% of the Pledged Delegates, so if the super delegate/politburo system didn’t exist he would be the outright winner. Sen. Clinton will win less than 50% of the elected delegates. The Super Delegates by picking Sen. Obama will NOT be overturning the will of the majority of the democratic party voters. The super delegates by picking Sen. Clinton WILL be overturning the will of the democratic party voters. Overturning the will of the voters, or not overturing the will of the voters are exact opposite situations, not a “double standard”. If Sen. Clinton doesn’t understand this difference, its hard to imagine that she has the intellectual talent to be president. If she does understand the difference, her comments are very disingenuous.
Posted by: Jim | April 9, 2008, 7:59 am 7:59 am
hey sandy in pa,
the bias media keeps telling us obama is gaining on hillary there. of course you cannot trust it.
please I hope you all will not let us down. he may have more money, and that smile-but pa do not be fooled-obama is not ready to be president. and if we want to have any hope for nov. we need to get hillary in.
we know what the rep. will bring to attack hillary-and she can take it.
but we are still everyday-finding out something new about obama-who knows what the rep. already have. he will not win against mccain.
please sandy in pa-tell all-you all
correct this mistake that is happening.
we know nc is blindly voting for obama
I am even of the mind that if they
even found him in bed with a dead body
they would still vote for him. just because he is black.
pa right this wrong.
vote hillary
Posted by: jgaw | April 9, 2008, 8:00 am 8:00 am
It is so sad to read all the stuff i’m reading on this blog. Instead of trying to tear each other apart why don’t we concentrate on the republicans. mccain is out there with people who have been making racial remarks about Obama. This is the reason why we as Democrats don’t win, we are too busy tearing each other down rather than concentrating on the republicans. WAKE UP DEMOCRATS, IT’S OUR TIME MAKE IT COUNT!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Iva | April 9, 2008, 8:22 am 8:22 am
I don’t like Hillary Clinton very much but if Obama doesn’t get the nomination I will hold my nose and vote for her. It is really, really important for the democrats to take back the White House. For all you revenge voters – you are fools if you think you are hurting anyone but yourselves.
Posted by: Brianna | April 9, 2008, 8:47 am 8:47 am
sob sob sob…..Hillary is doing just what we all guessed “The gender” card. Barack is not using his race to complain about press or McCain about his age , but Hillary is a placid whiner!!
Posted by: enaudnella | April 9, 2008, 8:50 am 8:50 am
The reason Hillary is getting bad press is she is at the helm of a poorly managed campaign, she “misstates” facts A LOT, and appears to be disingenuous.
She gives the press plenty of material because she does not research and get facts prior to speaking.
Her campaign is done, it’s just a matter of waiting on her to realize it.
Posted by: Mark in Wyoming | April 9, 2008, 9:06 am 9:06 am
Ok, case in point about a terribly mismanaged campaign here’s an article from CBS news in California:
“The University of California in Davis is ready to take the Clinton presidential campaign to a collection agency if they do not pay back the thousands of dollars they are still owed.
Here’s a breakdown of expenses:
- The UC Davis Marching Band cost $500.
- Cleanup services after the rally cost $250.
- UC Davis Police officers didn’t come as cheap. The security bill is more than $5,600.
“I’m more than willing to be held accountable for it, because that’s the way life is,” Hillary Clinton said to a Montana crowd on Monday. There is no word whether she’ll apply that philosophy here, or if she even knows about the outstanding debt.
Her Sacramento campaign office closed its doors after Super Tuesday, and her campaign spokespeople didn’t return my calls.
UC Davis is planning to put its final bill out this week, and if the debt has not been settled within a month, they are going to turn the matter over to a collection agency.”
And Hillary is prepared to lead the nation out of bad economic times?
Give me a break!!
Posted by: Mark in Wyoming | April 9, 2008, 9:11 am 9:11 am
s.b.
Pay attention:
OBAMA WASN’T EVEN LISTED ON THE MICHIGAN BALLOT
That’s not an election.
duh
Posted by: Mark in Wyoming | April 9, 2008, 9:17 am 9:17 am
By the way, disenfranchising Michigan and Florida guarentees a Republican white house.
I have never heard anything so ludicrous as the 50/50 split proposed by Obama, like its not disenfranchising 2.3 million voters.
Why nominate the man when he can’t win without these states? MI and Fl need to be reinstated now, as is.
Without this there is no democrat in the white house.
Where is the press on this? Honestly it doesn’t matter what the Obama camp or Howard Dean or anyone elese in any other part of the county thinks. All that matters is what voters in MI and FL think and they want their votes counted as is or MI and FL go Republican in Nov.
The clichee’s baby with the bath water, forrest for the trees are so obvious here. You cant determine the nominee until MI and FL are reinstated, as is because Obama wouldn’t agree to a revote.
There is no reason for these voters, or the Clinton campaign to accept anything less. Obama was given the chance to have a revote he blocked it.
Democrats either want to win the white house or they don’t.
Posted by: s.b. | April 9, 2008, 9:19 am 9:19 am
Obama chose to remove his name from the michigan ballot. This was a campaign choice, not a DNC requirement. he did so to gain favour in Iowa.
His choice. Uncommitted delegates can vote fro him if they want. This is not a reason to disenfranchise Michigan.
Again why nominate the man if he can’t win in NOV?
And he can’t win in Nov without Michigan and Florida.
Posted by: s.b. | April 9, 2008, 9:21 am 9:21 am
Obama chose to remove his name from the michigan ballot. This was a campaign choice, not a DNC requirement. he did so to gain favour in Iowa.
His choice. Uncommitted delegates can vote fro him if they want. This is not a reason to disenfranchise Michigan.
Again why nominate the man if he can’t win in NOV?
And he can’t win in Nov without Michigan and Florida.
Posted by: s.b. | April 9, 2008, 9:22 am 9:22 am
By the way, Obama’s campaign organizers in Michigan, and he does have campagin organizers in Michigan have asked that he let the results stand and the delegates be seated.
They know the consequences if this doesnt happen. He loses the white house.
Posted by: s.b. | April 9, 2008, 9:24 am 9:24 am
Hillary started ahead by 20% in most polls.
Since then, state elections results were basically split 50/50 through super Tuesday.
Hillary still had major leads in many states, but she ended up losing several elections in a row.
In life, starting ahead by 20%, but losing with the race almost over is not a good sign.
If it wasn’t for Hillary’s initial 100+ super delegate lead before any states voted, things would be even worse.
Given the Democratic party proportional allotment of delegates, Hillary needs to win 70% of the votes from this point on to be ahead in the pledged delegate count.
It’s true she could lead in the votes cast. There were several states who had caucuses instead of primaries. States decide what type of election they want. These states chose this format because it saves them millions of dollars.
DNC rules say the delegates, not the votes decide things. All Democratic candidates signed the rules, so they know what is fair. Any candidate who doesn’t like the rules, should never sign their name to agree to the rules.
Hillary and Obama are both lawyers, they fully understand the rules. No one in America wants a politician who doesn’t abide by the laws.
Posted by: Debbie | April 9, 2008, 9:25 am 9:25 am
Ann Althouse should be applauded, that video was on the mark. I will remember how MSNBC and the other have used their airtime and will vote for Hillary on april 22 in PA. As a son, with a great mom if “Kieth O” ever spoke that way about her I would find him and punch him in the mouth….he deserves it.
Posted by: Jim | April 9, 2008, 9:25 am 9:25 am
By the way, last time I checked, every race is made up of 50% women who are oppressed more than their male counterparts, in every part of the world.
Sexism is much worse, much more accepted and universal. Racism is not.
How about all those women we are helping out in Iraq and Afghanistan??? No one even cares. Sexism is worse, everywhere.
Posted by: s.b. | April 9, 2008, 9:28 am 9:28 am
s.b. – enough “misstatements”.
The Democratic Party said to all the candidates at the news of the primaries in Michigan and Florida picking their own date earlier than agreed, that those votes would not count. All candidates understood that and knew that those primaries would not count.
Hillary is quoted on New Hampshire NPR saying that those primaries wouldn’t count. Now that she’s not the frontrunner and barely able to stay in the race, of course she wants those votes to count. Her campaign is in such shambles now – even those states wouldn’t help her.
duh
Posted by: Mark in Wyoming | April 9, 2008, 9:29 am 9:29 am
Wow one sentence to justify disenfranchising 2.3 million voters.
Hillary has always maintained, as has the DNC by the way, that MI and FL wopuld be seated at convention.
They just didn’t think it would effect the outcome. This is still what Howard Dean is hoping for.
You can’t disenfranchise 2.3 million voters 8% of the electorate and win the white house.
One sentence from one candidate is not justification for disenfranchising anyone.
You either want to win the white house or you don’t. Obama cant win without MI and FL.
You can scream about one sentence or rules of which there are many that can also reinstate them, or removing a name from the ballot which the candidate himself requested and was not necessary.
However, the FACT and it is a FACT remains, he can’t win by disenfranchising MI and FL. That’s 8% of the electoral college folks.
You want to win the nomination with MI an FL, or you dont want to win in NOV.
There are no justifications that change that fact.
Posted by: s.b. | April 9, 2008, 9:35 am 9:35 am
s.b., get a grip.
Hillary does not represent most women – she definitely doesn’t represent me.
Obama 08
Posted by: Melissa | April 9, 2008, 9:35 am 9:35 am
Is the media going to fall for this again like they did before Ohio and Texas. Bill Clinton said 2 weeks ago. If you can’t take the campaign get out of it. Perhaps she should take her husband’s advice.
Posted by: rachel | April 9, 2008, 9:41 am 9:41 am
I don’t think there is a double standard. I just think there are any standards tat are appropriate dealing with sex and race. She has made some serious mistakes and cries victim when she is criticized. As for others asking her to step down, I always thought that came from her saying McCain had more experience than Obama. If she were a man they would have hit her hard on that one too.
THe Clintons are always complaining about something. Always have been always will be. It’s disheartening how they always play the victim. I hope the America people are as tired of it as I am.
Posted by: Esme | April 9, 2008, 9:44 am 9:44 am
YOu know Obama’s grandmother lives in a hut. Her son went to Ivy league schools and had a PHD. Her grandson went to Ivy league schools and she continues to live in a hut.
Anyone who thinks that sexism isn’t pervasive needs to look at the Obama family in Africa and see how it’s women live in compared to it’s men.
Posted by: s.b. | April 9, 2008, 9:45 am 9:45 am
Racism and sexism exist in America, and the press reflects those prejudices in its coverage. As a person of color and a woman, I see both playing out in this election cycle. The only beneficiary seems to be John McCain.
On a personal level, I’ve experienced both sexism and racism and they both hurt, and dehumanize. One doesn’t trump the other.
We can continue to bash Obama and Clinton for the Republicans, or we can see beyond the minor policy differences between the Democrats, make a choice at the primary voting booth but ultimately support a Democrat. Neither is perfect, both have lied, but one of them must enter the White House in 2009 if we are to avoid a war with Iran and the corporate takeover of our shared Democratic values.
Posted by: Marina | April 9, 2008, 10:18 am 10:18 am
Thanks for the link. The video shows what most of us know. The MSM set out to push her off the bus. On the other hand, I guess one would want to ask given the anti-Hillary statements coming from the female talking heads if it is only misogyny when men say it? Back to the dictionary, Joy Behar, to find a defense for the indefensible.
Oh where oh where is Anita Bryant when the Republicans need her?
This will only get worse. At some point, the hard right wingers will harvest the abundant homophobic sermons from the cable-church shows. The Hollywood elite and the Silicon Valley contributors will get the eye-opener they’ve been ignoring.
A conversation is two-way or it is just polemic. Obama’s campaign has opened a can of worms no one in the country was ready for. Now it’s “go fish” season.
Posted by: len | April 9, 2008, 11:14 am 11:14 am
The Inconvenient Truth. No need to panic. Just chill out, help is on the way. A lot of Penna Democrats are Senior Citizens which are from the Old Guard mentality. Obama is out of line. You’ll see!
Yes there is a Horserace here in Penna. Hillary with her 35 years of combat experience, most recently her heroics in Bosnia, has all the Horses coming to her rescue. As usual Mr. Ed & Mayor Nutter have come out to take Lil Hillary by the hand, spoon fed her, and lead her around to the FUND RAISERS which she enjoys very much.
Senator Obama has been going at it alone. No small task since the The Old Guard Demos mounted a 26 point lead for Hillary when Obama came to town. He has shown us here in Pa. that he is willing to do it the American Way. He works for it.
Hillary Horses have been trained well, they sing many songs of praise for her. However, if you listen closely it becomes quite clear which part of the Horse this talk is coming from. That”s no BS…..
Posted by: Inconvenient | April 9, 2008, 11:15 am 11:15 am
Hillary continues to paint herself as victim…the fact is she is asked about how she can win enough delegates because there is no way she can win enough pledged delegates to come out with a lead, which in turn is the most likely metric to convince a plurality of the remaining superdelegates to commit!
Yes, I know, *technically* the delegates can vote any way they want, but the political *reality* is, Clinton has lost. Everyone is being very polite and treating her with kid gloves, but sooner or later (I hope sooner) reality has to set in.
Posted by: Ruth | April 9, 2008, 11:24 am 11:24 am
The question is being asked of her because she has won fewer contests and received fewer votes, and the primary season is likely to end that way. Therefore, if the superdelegates were to choose her over the winner of the primary season, it would be a coup against the will of Democratic voters. That’s why she’s being asked if she wants to “win dirty.” Most of the superdelegates know that nominating the loser of the primary season, in the absence of a catastrophic crisis that disqualifies the winner, would render the nomination worthless, and wreck the party itself for many years to come.
Posted by: TKD | April 9, 2008, 11:40 am 11:40 am
What’s the scariest thing in the world?
Obama and Pelosi together in DC using all the powers of their office — socializing America.
Posted by: S | April 9, 2008, 11:46 am 11:46 am
Can anybody tell me Obama’s current position on gun control?
Just curious.
Posted by: Aston | April 9, 2008, 11:48 am 11:48 am
Hillary is right there is a double standard if the roles were reversed, Obama would have been pull asided long ago and would have been told to bow out. But Hillary can go on and on destroying the party with nochance of being the nominee
Posted by: tiredofthelackofknowledgeofvoters | April 9, 2008, 11:59 am 11:59 am
This is so true…
You have exposed another desperate Clinton measure. These things are getting hard to bear!
Playing the gender card (as when she quipped she should get some votes for taking more time in the bathroom to groom herself!) is not going to rescue this blundering campaign…
Whoever gets the popular vote should win and even the superdels tend to think that way…
Unlike Clinton with her preference for cloakroom politics many Dems still believe in democracy over winning at all costs…
Please end this disgrace, Hillary!
Posted by: outragious008 | April 9, 2008, 12:05 pm 12:05 pm
It cracks me up all the “she can’t win” talk. BO should relax, go on an even longer vacation — he gets so tired with all the campaigning. She can’t win, so he should take a month off and get ready for the general. What’s the problem?
Of course there’s been sexism — from calling former First Lady, Sen. Clinton, “it,” to claiming she’s like a nagging wife and on and on. Sexism has been at the root of BO’s campaign, coupled with an effort to paint all “typically white people” as racists.
Well, women are pissed — many of us will not support BO in a general election.
The thing that gets us base Democrats really pissed off is the exclusion of FL and MI. If we count those two contests this thing is tied. And, Democrats, before BO, used to want to count every vote. Talk about hypocritical.
Posted by: ann | April 9, 2008, 12:32 pm 12:32 pm
It’s sad when FOX News is providing the most fair coverage for the Dem primary…
they don’t have a love affair w/ Obama, which is why they’re not providing biased coverage toward Obama at the expense of Hillary Clinton
Posted by: Cowboy Jack | April 9, 2008, 12:44 pm 12:44 pm
hey Jake – instead of focusing on “sexism” – let’s just focus on Double Standards in media coverage – have there been -yes. has there been an outright acceptance of the framing of the delegate pickup as SHE doesn’t have enough to win, so she should quit. Whereas HE doesn’t have enough to win is never the meme. Yes.
Even in your article, you’re picking on every word she says – SHE never says anything about sexism, you’re inferring it, and the rest of the media will likely say, Clinton Claims to be victim of Sexism, right? Whereas Obama words are never picked on for traces of race-baiting, never, how dare the media even consider that.
Double Standards are everywhere in the media – from the same old Zogby and Rasmussens polls the media keeps citing (because it shows “Obama surging”) even when these specific polls have been wrong. How about the case of Trina Bachtel which some of your colleagues have proven Clinton to be true – and yet the meme that Clinton lied about it keeps circulating and beaten like a dead horse. Compare that to “Passport-gate” as soon as it was discovered Obama’s own advisor could be the source, the media shut it down.
Is Clinton fatigue a good reason for the media to be so biased? – where is the respect for the electorate? I suppose that why journalists are suppose to have Ethics and Standards for their work – sadly, no one cares about this anymore.
Posted by: bbln | April 9, 2008, 12:56 pm 12:56 pm
SB is correct in her description of sexism and how it has played out in this country and others. The reason the older women are strong supporters of Hillary is because we have lived through it. We know how it feels to be passed over for promotions for which you are qualified simply because you are a woman. The younger women who support Obama have been beneficiaries of our struggles. Maybe they will understand some of those struggles when McCain becomes our next president. The republicans will double their effort on Roe vs Wade once McCain is elected.
Posted by: Firefighter | April 9, 2008, 1:25 pm 1:25 pm
The article “Lewinsky Scandal follows Chelsea on the Campaign trail” says it all. No mention of Larry Sinclair anywhere. The media will get down in the mud when it comes to women and sexism, but don’t touch the golden Harvard Boys. Guess what networks, democratic women are mad as hell and aren’t going to take it anymore!
Posted by: rs | April 9, 2008, 1:38 pm 1:38 pm
I think Mrs. Clinton causes much of her own problem with the press. She stood up there in her St. Patrick’s day scarf and told “snipergate” in great detail and she knew it was a giant lie. If she doesn’t want to look tight and angry and shrill on national news, she shouldn’t call every reporter near at hand to an impromptu news conference and shout “Shame on you.” She does it over and over. Mrs. Clinton likes to fight. Everyone near her ends up fighting i.e. healthcare failure in the 90′s and her whole campaign in 2008. She fights. It draws attention. She doesn’t like the kind of attention she draws, but she can’t seem to change her spots.
Posted by: karela | April 9, 2008, 2:00 pm 2:00 pm
karela, You are right. Everyone says Hillary is a fighter but how many fights has she won and to whose benefit? She polarizes people hence the need to fight.
Posted by: indy_voter | April 9, 2008, 2:58 pm 2:58 pm
I saw this video the other day and was flat-out horrified. How the hell does the MSM get away with such blatant, outrageous sexism??? If they made even remotely similar crude, crass remarks about Obama, they’d all be fired. What hit me most of all was how many of the male reporters clearly have a major issue with powerful women. What is it, guys, a mother complex, performance anxiety, what??? well, get over it and start at least pretending to do your jo instead of using your spotlight to vent your little-boy terrors. Sickening. (As for the female reporters who follow suit (suits?), I can only say they’re worse.)
Posted by: Linda in DC | April 9, 2008, 3:29 pm 3:29 pm
I am a female, 56 y.o. I haven’t seen any of that video stuff not being a TV watchers (NPR and the Internet are my sources). Some of the stuff there is offensive, some is just reactions to what Clinton says and does, and those two have to be separated thoroughly. I myself at first was not committed to any of the candidates, in fact thought that since she is a front-runner it’s a done deal. But little-by-little I started turning against her. Mind you, I am a person who for 15 years defended her from everyone around me who attacked her. And now I got to the point that I cannot stand her. I think she is ruthless and would do anything to destroy her opponent. Remember: a day after she said in a debate that she is honored to run against Barack Obama she was screaming “Shame on you, Barack Obama!” So those who say, “which one is it going to be?” are absolutely correct.
Posted by: alindra | April 9, 2008, 3:39 pm 3:39 pm
I’m a woman and I’m SICK and TIRED of Clinton playing the gender/victim card. One day, I hope to vote for woman for POTUS who EARNED it through sheer hard work and discipline and not because of her husband and all his dubious political connections.
Of course Clinton has been put under harsher spotlight than any other candidate and that’s because she’s a CLINTON, not a woman. I don’t know why people get confused with that. Its in the Clinton DNA to lie effortlessly (see Bosnia) and hence, whatever she or Bill says will be analyzed more carefully and harshly.
This is, after all, the family that redefined the meaning of the word ‘is’.
Posted by: AM | April 9, 2008, 4:13 pm 4:13 pm
If you really think Hillary can’t win, even if we count FL and MI, then why not count them? If you really think she “can’t win” why are you fighting so hard? Obama certainly thinks she still has a shot, he’s working hard. He’s mostly laid off the shots at Hillary, too. Why can’t you follow his example?
Usually, we think well of someone who doesn’t give up, but stays in the game, right?
Posted by: Doctor Jay | April 9, 2008, 4:31 pm 4:31 pm
Speaking of putting people under the spotlight, when is the MSM going to put Obama’s lies under the spotlight? Granted, the man goes to great lengths to avoid saying anything whatsoever he could be held accountable for, and sends his minions out to use words like “monster” so he can claim to be above it all. But every day there’s new evidence that he’s a complete fraud. So why it is, exactly, that the MSM doesn’t investigate any of it?
Posted by: Linda in DC | April 9, 2008, 4:31 pm 4:31 pm
They are asking Clinton because if there were no Superdelegates she would NEVER catch Obama – plain and simple. It isn’t that they both need them – they do – but that is for a magical number – it is that she is behind and without help she will always be behind. In other words, if they received the same amount of Superdelegates he would win.
But this is typical of the Clintons who often successfully reshape the conversation to their advantage – it is ludicrous and we are pathetic if we buy into her argument.
Posted by: mike k | April 9, 2008, 4:45 pm 4:45 pm
Well, Mike K, lets talk technicalities. Each one of Hillary’s delegates is backed with more voters, sometimes thousands more. You know, because of those little Red States that had like 6,000 people show up at caucuses and bully a win for BO.
If Republicans couldn’t vote in our primaries BO’s lead would be erased. If FL and MI counted, most of his lead would be erased. Plus, regarding the electoral college, the thing that decides who is going to be president, Hillary is ahead.
So lets here you little SD argument again. this time with something that makes sense.
Posted by: MJJ | April 9, 2008, 5:20 pm 5:20 pm
Ya Know,
McCain was behind in delegates too. And, his campaign was so broke he started carrying his own luggage. No helpers. No one told him to quit. No one called him names, no one in the press beat him to a pulp. And my gosh, look where he is today. I wonder where Hillary would be if only the press would have treated her the same as they treated McCain.
But, with all this against her, Obama cannot win either.
Hillary 08′
Posted by: SadStateOfAffairs | April 9, 2008, 6:39 pm 6:39 pm
I don’t understand how she is ALWAYS the victim being dumped on by the guys?! First she was the underdog that came back to beat the Patriots. Then she was the underdog that came back to defeat Memphis. Let us not forget she was the underdog that came back and found her voice(N.H.) and to show us how the West was really won(Nevada).
Please.
In the words of Bill himself “Give me a break”
Oh, wait, I don’t need a break the rest of the public does. I’ve seen through her gender and sympathy ploys. I can’t take my vote back but at least I woke up to her nonsense….”The boys are picking on me. The press is picking on me….The boys are picking on me again…I’m always asked the first question….I won’t quit…..there is a double standard…..the press is being unfair and the boys are PICKING ON ME AGAIN!….”
Lord knows if the situation were reversed, Obama would be hounded everyday to get out of the race, no one would have any sympathy for him and he would be called a you know what for complaining.
Therefore, het cries fall on deaf ears.
Posted by: Elizabeth | April 9, 2008, 7:23 pm 7:23 pm
I believe she can win but it is going to be hard. She not only has to run ageist obama she has to run ageist the MSM. Let’s hope the white woman of PA come out in force.
Posted by: Ken FL | April 9, 2008, 7:53 pm 7:53 pm
Senator Clinton has never made herself out to be anyone’s victim. The people who made that video were angry on her behalf and angry on behalf of all women. The behavior of these some of these “journalists” has been nothing short of despicable.
On this video, you actually see a TV commentator saying “someone should take her [Hillary] out behind the barn…” Can you imagine? WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE??
Is this what men and women wish to teacher their daughters about how it is acceptable to treat and talk about women?
Don’t tell me it’s just because it’s “Hillary” — that is merely an old extremist vile talking point to try to discredit her.
Don’t you remember that a couple of months ago, some female anchor on a news show made a horrible joke about Tiger Woods so outpacing the field at a golf tournament that his competitors might be thinking of ‘taking him in alley and lynching him’?? Wasn’t she suspended? Or fired? Rightly so. No one let her get away with that.
Please explain to me why the rest of this frat-boy misogyny aimed at a woman, any woman, is acceptable.
What does any of this have to do with the issues on which the respective candidates are running?
Posted by: annagain | April 9, 2008, 9:13 pm 9:13 pm
This has been going on for way to long!! Finally a very few people are going to reort on it!! The MSM (MainStreamMedia) have been putting her down since well before January!!! (I wrote MSNBC and told them I was no longer watching thier network because of it) They are acting sexist, The female reporter’s on these station’s should be ashamed!!! Nobosy without looking on the internet can name one thing Obama has done in office. Not to mention the 15 Million people who will be left out of his health care plan, and those who do not want to pay for it, leave it up to the rest of us to pick up the tab.
Posted by: Rob jensen | April 10, 2008, 4:10 am 4:10 am
The media is treating Hillary like a republican and she doesn’t like it. Her and her husband never had a problem in the past when the media was unfairly ripping into their opponents 24/7, but now they have fallen out of favor with the media and the shoe is on the other foot. Hillary is finished. You can’t expect to lie your way into the White house without attracting some negative media attention. But then cry and whine about it when it happens? Give me a break!
Posted by: John | April 10, 2008, 6:47 am 6:47 am
If you really listen to the comments being made on the video, it’s clear they don’t relate to Hillary’s policies/politics or even her personally. They’re talking about every woman who ever made them feel uncomfortable–”the ex-wife” and all the other stereotypes they’re joking about. They’re stereotypes of women who made them uncomfortable in part because they’d stopped being giggly schoolgirls or passive or caretakers–they grew up and owned the fact that they have as much right to their power as men do to theirs. The female “newscasters” who are participating, I think, are not there yet. They still think they can only be cheerleaders for the quarterbacks. I try to imagine what sort of female candidate these guys and gals would not joke about in a stereotypical way, and I can’t. They’re taking the cheapest of shots, based on all of their own fears, resentments and prejudices. Fifty or 60 years ago, the comments might have been directed at Obama and based on race–they’re those kinds of comments, complete with the raucous laughter and back-slapping attitude of middle-aged boys with power and afraid of losing it.
Posted by: Linda in DC | April 10, 2008, 11:20 am 11:20 am
A Nationwide Protest is planned this Friday in New York! As many people who can go to protest this kind of sexist bashing of Hillary (and by extension all women), should GO! Here are the details:
Time: 8 a.m. (go before work!)
WHERE: West 48th St & Rockefeller Plaza
NEW YORK CITY
I hope Barack shows up. I keep thinking how he would feel about these same men spewing these rage-filled denigrations at his daugthers. How should any of us feel. We need rise as one and demand a stop to this.
Posted by: Torch | April 11, 2008, 12:00 am 12:00 am