The Most Offensive Comment Yet
"I’m going to tell you something," said Rep. Geoff Davis, R-Kentucky, speaking of Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, "that boy’s finger does not need to be on the button."
Boy?
BOY?!?!
He’s not a "boy," Congressman. He’s a 46-year-old man.
What century does this guy live in?
Davis apologized, but somehow that doesn’t quite do it, does it?
Calling the 46-year-old Democratic presidential frontrunner "boy"…Jeez.
Words fail me.
A reminder that no matter how elitist Sen. Obama’s "small town" comments may have seemed, to some folks he’ll never be equal to any white man.
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Posted by: Vanessa | April 14, 2008, 6:17 pm 6:17 pm
And another politician bites the dust….
Posted by: SadStateOfAffairs | April 14, 2008, 6:21 pm 6:21 pm
Well said, Vanessa. It’s true.
Posted by: Ryan | April 14, 2008, 6:22 pm 6:22 pm
Actually, he has to be better than one white woman first.
So far, no game.
How long would these Conversations be if instead of saying “African-American and white”, you actually had to list the origins of anyone in the second member to keep from offending them?
Hint: Could you tell by looking?
Posted by: len | April 14, 2008, 6:24 pm 6:24 pm
that’s why so many republicans will lose come november. i think the country has moved beyond this type of division.
Posted by: pam moats | April 14, 2008, 6:26 pm 6:26 pm
I guess he must think that he still lives in the OLD SOUTH.
With this trend, I am sure there will be lot of “Macaca moments to come.”
Posted by: Lance D. | April 14, 2008, 6:29 pm 6:29 pm
Hopefully, this Davis guy will get voted out in November.
What really worries me are the closet racists who would never go so far as to say such things, but use code words and find other ways to hide their racism.
Not that everyone who opposes Obama is a racist. But we’ve seen far too many comments on these blogs which left a bad taste in the mouth. Certainly some of the other threads have been full of both closeted and outright racist comments.
We’re not nearly as close as we might claim to be, to the inclusive society we want to see!
Obama 2008 — Yes, WE CAN!!!
Posted by: Jackt51 -- Vietnam Vet and Proud Liberal | April 14, 2008, 6:31 pm 6:31 pm
who cares whether he’s a boy or a man…his finger doesn’t belong near the button!
Posted by: cj | April 14, 2008, 6:37 pm 6:37 pm
As a AA this is old news it has always been understood in the AA communities these type of attitudes. But obama can still an Uppity person.
Posted by: toby | April 14, 2008, 6:39 pm 6:39 pm
vanessa,,
what a nice thing to say about Hillary…. finally!
Posted by: eyes open | April 14, 2008, 6:41 pm 6:41 pm
The Media is jumping around like a cat trying to bury crap on a tin roof! The truth about Obama is filtering out in spite of their efforts to downplay and bury it! Barack even wrote a book filled with his hatred for whites. Not the brightest thing to do. Obama is half black and half WHITE.
STOP PLAYING THE RACE CARD! If I call him “boy” — it means nothing! He gets away with everything — the double standard needs to stop now.
WHO CARES WHETHER HE’S A BOY OR A MAN — HIS FINGER DOESN’T BELONG NEAR THE BUTTON! OBAMA AND HIS ANTI-AMERICAN WIFE ARE IS A DANGER TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA — ALL 50 OF THEM!
Posted by: 1proudamerican | April 14, 2008, 6:43 pm 6:43 pm
So when are you going to ask McCain if he refutes these remarks?
My guess would be never.
Posted by: sickofit | April 14, 2008, 6:43 pm 6:43 pm
what a sweet thing to say about Hillary… albeit a tad late.
thank you, Vanessa
Posted by: eyes open | April 14, 2008, 6:43 pm 6:43 pm
All Obama now needs to do is acept the apology gracefully and say, hey I can easily understand how someone can phrase something badly, have some network reporters cover it and boom he emerges looking better than ever
Posted by: axt113 | April 14, 2008, 6:48 pm 6:48 pm
“What really worries me are the closet racists who would never go so far as to say such things, but use code words and find other ways to hide their racism.”
If I learned one thing from reading the attacks on Obama in many blogs and forums (Hillary supporters forums among them) it is that racism is alive and kicking after it raised its ugly head among those who will never accept the idea of Obama becoming President. That can be no wonder, for it is not LONG ago that black folks were devoid of basic rights in large parts of this country.
Martin Luther King would only have been 79 years old today.
Posted by: gregory | April 14, 2008, 6:49 pm 6:49 pm
words fail me as well. unbelievable.
Posted by: brooke | April 14, 2008, 6:50 pm 6:50 pm
I’m sorry people call Hillary a girl all the time.
Her buttons say, I’m your girl.
I personally wouldnt wear one because I dont like the acceptance of calling women girls. This however is not even close to being offensive in the way it is being portrayed.
Obama needs to stop whining and accusing everyone of racism. He is the BOY who cried wolf. The real wolves are coming if he’s nominated. He doesn’t stand a chance.
Posted by: s.b. | April 14, 2008, 6:51 pm 6:51 pm
The political corpse of Geoff Davis has been taken to the DC Coroner’s office.
Cause of death has been identified as: Asphyxiation resulting from gagging on extremity (own left foot).
(Actually, given his district, he’ll probably get re-elected. Unfortunately, he’s likely to have the same national reputation as Iowa’s Steve King – who I’m sure has long since been bound, gagged and hidden in the basement of John McCain’s Sedona ranch with a time lock on the door that won’t open until November 5 of this year.)
Posted by: BMR, Pittsburgh PA | April 14, 2008, 6:56 pm 6:56 pm
Really, I thought that Axelworthy blaming Clinton and her vote on Iraq for Bhutos death the day she was assasinated was the most offensive comment yet.
Gee i guess i don’t have my priorites straight. Calling someone a boy is just so much more offensive. Well Bhuto was only a woman and so is Clinton, so it doesnt matter what people say about them I guess.
Posted by: s.b. | April 14, 2008, 6:56 pm 6:56 pm
“I’m sorry people call Hillary a girl all the time.”
This a perverse argument, and you know it. “Boy” has been the traditional racist and white suprematist way of addressing black men. No need to play a cynic language game over an issue like this, simply because you do not support Obama. What Davis does is touching on America’s most painful national wound, so yes, this is quite something to say.
Posted by: herta | April 14, 2008, 7:00 pm 7:00 pm
That’s the most offensive comment? LOL. Jake, quit trying to get back in the good graces of the Obama people.
Posted by: Jo | April 14, 2008, 7:02 pm 7:02 pm
Vanessa, then I guess that means Bush is on top and has been for 8 years.
Good to know. lol.
Posted by: Jo | April 14, 2008, 7:03 pm 7:03 pm
If they can call McCain an old dinosaur and an old man, they can call Obama a boy.
Posted by: Jo | April 14, 2008, 7:06 pm 7:06 pm
Anyone else notice how black Obama is starting to talk? Where is he getting that “accent” all of a sudden? Listen to his Annie Oakley speech.
What a phony. Hillary up by 20 points in Pennsylvania. Hip Hip Hooray.
Posted by: Jo | April 14, 2008, 7:08 pm 7:08 pm
Obama always puts on a fake accent when he’s talking to people.
It’s part of his schtick.
Creeps me out personally, but if democrats want to lose the white house again, they’re free to nominate someone who is unelecatble.
Posted by: s.b. | April 14, 2008, 7:11 pm 7:11 pm
Davis, an Army Ranger who went to West Point — “our troops” — has a primary coming up in May, so he may well have said it for the publicity.
Posted by: Belle Starr | April 14, 2008, 7:11 pm 7:11 pm
unelectable
Posted by: s.b. | April 14, 2008, 7:12 pm 7:12 pm
Actually the slang term “man” as in “What’s up Man” was coined in the early 1920′s by blacks as a show of respect and opposite of the offensive slang term “boy”, most commonly used to address African Americans regardless of age.
Posted by: Ed S | April 14, 2008, 7:16 pm 7:16 pm
“Hillary up by 20 points in Pennsylvania”
ARG as a pollster has such a bad reputation that their results do not even count for the RCP avarages (just check that out).
From a Wall Street Journal article today on these questionable results:
“Other pollsters’ numbers disagree with ARG’s. Clay Richards, who runs the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute’s Pennsylvania poll, said he doesn’t expect his poll that will be published Tuesday to show much difference from the last one, which had a Clinton lead of six points. “I don’t see that much movement in Pennsylvania myself,” Mr. Richards said by phone from Harrisburg on Monday. He declined to comment specifically on his rival’s contradictory numbers.”
Posted by: watson | April 14, 2008, 7:22 pm 7:22 pm
“I guess he must think that he still lives in the OLD SOUTH.”
Kentucky is kind of a meaner Missouri, but Davis went to West Point, and presumably knows how to speak properly.
Thank God Davis simply apologized! If he’d gone at it Obama-style, we’d have lectures on regional linguistics, and testimonials from Davis’ female relatives, and black military buddies going on CNN to extol his long-standing color-blindness, and a bunch of press releases to ponder.
Posted by: Blaze Starr | April 14, 2008, 7:22 pm 7:22 pm
I guess the “Anne Oakley” comment is not sexest. If you read your American History Anne( the name her sisters called her) was an independent woman who was this nation’s first female superhero. Being associated with her is not a joke as Obama would like us to think. Obama, you don’t understand small town America and our nation’ heroes.
Posted by: Kenny from CT. | April 14, 2008, 7:25 pm 7:25 pm
some people in the South over the last 150 years…will refer to a black man as “boy”. it’s used as a “slang” term. it’s use is NEVER interpreted as kind or remotely appropriate.
of course, if you’ve never lived in the south, you wouldn’t know that. just like if you’ve never lived in a small town in pennsylvania…there’s many things you wouldn’t know.
Posted by: Ryan J. | April 14, 2008, 7:26 pm 7:26 pm
Isn’t it Barack Obama? Not Barrack. Vanessa, Barack’s #1 fan on this blog can’t even spell his name right.
Posted by: Jo | April 14, 2008, 7:28 pm 7:28 pm
How offensive was the comment? Would anyone here walk up to black man and call him “boy” to his face? I didn’t think so. It’s one step away from the N-word.
Davis only speaks in sound bites and carefully selects his words. He knew exactly what he was saying and to whom, a crowd of similarly minded bigots.
Posted by: James T. Cracker | April 14, 2008, 7:29 pm 7:29 pm
S.B. said:
“I’m sorry people call Hillary a girl all the time.
Her buttons say, I’m your girl….This however is not even close to being offensive in the way it is being portrayed.”
This is SO incomparable to a black man being called “boy.”
I was, however, quite offended a few weeks ago wen Bill criticized Senator Obama for having a spat with a “girl” (Hillabeans).
S.B. further showed his own racism:
“…He is the BOY who cried wolf….”
Obama 2008 — Yes, WE CAN!!!
Posted by: Jackt51 -- Vietnam Vet and Proud Liberal | April 14, 2008, 7:30 pm 7:30 pm
“of course, if you’ve never lived in the south … ”
Kentucky ain’t the south.
Posted by: Belle Starr | April 14, 2008, 7:32 pm 7:32 pm
“He knew exactly what he was saying and to whom, a crowd of similarly minded bigots.”
Not unlike Obama’s snotty class-smashing session on billionaires’ row in San Francisco . . .
Posted by: Belle Starr | April 14, 2008, 7:38 pm 7:38 pm
Blaze Starr: That is one funny post!
And I am Obama supporter. But there is some truth in that :)
Posted by: Ed S | April 14, 2008, 7:40 pm 7:40 pm
Well the Boy Who Cried Wolf is a very old European fairy tale. It has nothing to do with race. But we are all racists aren’t we if we criticize Mr Obama.
The saddest part of this campaign has been Mr Obama’s manipulation of this term and its overuse.
I have fought against racism, been a part of anti-racist action groups demonstated in anti-racist marches and travelled about 600 miles to protest the further incarceration of Mumia Abu Jamal in Philidelphia on his 50th birthday along side members of the New Black Panther Party and Nation of Islam members, with tens of thousands of others.
I don’t use that term lightly. And I dont feel the need to be manipulated by Liberal white guilt or false accusations of racism to vote for someone who is unqualified for the job and holds views tha are unacceptable to the majority of Americans.
Obama is totally unelectable in a general election. It has nothing to do with his race other than his choice of church. He is simply unqualified for the job.
The white people I know who support Mr Obama’s candidacy have much less understanding of racism or concern ofr racism or experience with racism than the people who don’t. Perhaps white people think all they have to do is vote for Obama and all their sins will go away. Their ciriticisms of Hillary Clinton’s candidacy in my experience are all based in mysoginy and not fact. But hating women is ok right?
I think Mr obama is unqualified arrogant and stringing people a line, which the Republicans will be happy to point out.
I’ll fight racism in other ways than to vote for an unacceptable candidate because of the colour of his skin.
Posted by: s.b. | April 14, 2008, 7:42 pm 7:42 pm
“Blaze Starr: That is one funny post!”
Blaze Starr’s the stripper; Brenda Starr’s the girl reporter; BELLE Starr’s the outlaw. :^)
Posted by: BELLE Starr | April 14, 2008, 7:44 pm 7:44 pm
“the most offensive comment yet” …..for Obama perhaps . Hillary ( and McCain) have been shielding far worse for a VERY long time but, as predicted, the media prefers highlighting speeches of “change” (BS) rather than giving any media attention to those in “office” offending Hillary (or McCain).
I might add….although African American he fits the “good ‘ol boy” predominately white, political network PERFECTLY.
Posted by: catherine in nm | April 14, 2008, 7:45 pm 7:45 pm
What does the remarks “boy” have to do with being a racist?
In the south, you’re referred to often as being a boy or girl. Even youngster
for that matter. It’s simply an southern expression. Having absolutely nothing to do with race!
I find your assumption offensive and out of line Mr. Tapper.
Posted by: Brock | April 14, 2008, 7:49 pm 7:49 pm
Oh My – the divine one is once more offended by a self-proclaimed racial comment? Oh Dear me.
To Barrack Hussein Obama = the divine boy.
Hussein Obama thinks he is the only human that can say anything at all about anyone in any form and think he is entitled to get away with it. And his followers are so blinded by the light they actually contribute money to him – like remember that Jim Baker? Follower contributed to him as well. Notice how obama is starting to sound like a preacher??
Posted by: Lou | April 14, 2008, 7:49 pm 7:49 pm
“I’ll fight racism in other ways than to vote for an unacceptable candidate because of the colour of his skin.”
Amen!
It’s just too darn bad this didn’t occur to Jesse Jackson (in whose campaigns I worked long and hard), before his early endorsement of this fraud.
Posted by: Belle Starr | April 14, 2008, 7:52 pm 7:52 pm
Boy is an insult, but Girl is not? I find both to be equally offensive. To me, anyone who thinks one is worse that the other doesn’t get that women have been oppressed on ALL continents for 10,000 years. ‘Bitch’ and ‘Whore’ are a lot worse. How about ‘castrating’ from Tucker. That’s what Hillary’s supporters have put up with online and on TV. Instead of arguing that Girl is not offensive, just admit that it is, ask your friends to stop saying it, and move on, ya’ll. Now that would be progressive!
Posted by: TechTrain | April 14, 2008, 7:54 pm 7:54 pm
I think the Clintons and the Republic Party are Bottom feeders
Posted by: Thinking | April 14, 2008, 8:05 pm 8:05 pm
Since I knoew nothing of this man I quickly googled him:
Gender: Male
Hometown: Hebron
Birth: On October 26, 1958
in Not Available
Professional Experience
(including Military): Business owner
Army Ranger
Education: U.S. Military Academy at West Point
Organizational Memberships: Congressional Sportsmen’s Caucus
American Legion
82nd Airborne Association
U.S. Army Ranger Association
West Point Association of Graduates
Lifetime Member of the National Rifle Association
Family: Wife, Pat, 6 children
Faith: Not Available
So he is a contemporary of Obama, being 49 years old but has a real military background, having graduated from West Point and been an Army Ranger. Note, he is also a member of the Cong. Sportsman’s Caucus and Lifetime member of the NRA.
I have lived in the South. Southerners do use the term “Boy” and “Gal” frequently. In fact I was surprised that it usually is not used in an offensive way. Even “Bubba” is considered a compliment in the South. He may not have meant anything racial at all.
I bet he really does not like Obama though, just by looking at this guy’s background.
Posted by: countallthevotes | April 14, 2008, 8:17 pm 8:17 pm
I do not know the age of Mr. Davis, but it is rather perplexing how you equate “boy” to “non-white male”. It is disrespectful to call Mr.Obama a boy, certainly, but it is “racist”?
Posted by: Onlooker | April 14, 2008, 8:20 pm 8:20 pm
I am an African American. I support Senator Obama but I can forgive Rep. Geoff Davis misspoke just like I can forgive Obama’s. All people say thing they wish they could take back. God says forgive any person who asked to be forgiven. I remember a day when Rep. Geoff Davis would not have felt the need to apologize. What Iwont to see is if the media attacks Rep. Geoff Davis the same why they have attacked Senator Obama.
Posted by: jay jay mo | April 14, 2008, 8:21 pm 8:21 pm
Davis’s apology doesn’t quiet “do it” because he showed who he was with the comment.
Just like Obama’s explanation and forced apology don’t quiet “do it” because his unscripted comments showed who he is….Now he’s going to continue to attack Clinton with the press 100% behind him.
It all goes back to December 2007 when his minister attacked Clinton from the pulpit of Obama’s church and no one thought that an apology was warranted.
There are racist everywhere…there are insensitive people everywhere….like Wright and Davis and Obama…
I can’t wait to see if people will believe what they heard or what the MSM wants them to believe…I heard him loud and clear and it wasn’t just about “bitter” or “clinging to religion” he managed to call people racist and anti-immigrant” in those comments…and he seems to be blaming Bill Clinton for small town Americas bitterness and Hillary for calling attention to him.
I don’t care that he has been successful in getting about half of all Democrats to vote for him so far…I’m the kind of person who saw his comments and didn’t bother watching the media trying to crop the end of his statements or listen to Obama’s spin.
His attacks on Hillary have been going on throughout the campaign…The hypocrisy and downright lies and spin of the MSM is not acceptable.
Fox is bound to be benefiting as people look around to find the truth.
Posted by: Jackie | April 14, 2008, 8:23 pm 8:23 pm
An Interesting Alliance has formed between Clintonites, the Talk Radio Right and the Conservative Elite. These parties and their wingnut footsoldiers form an Axis.
All speak the same talking points and share a similar goal. These days it can be virtually impossible to distinguish a Red State Wingnut from a Clintonite by their respective use of rhetoric when reading the comment boards on the internets (such as here). Since these groups have combined forces, maybe there is a new group of people who qualify to be labeled as wingnuts. Perhaps they are all wingnuts now.
Right now, we have a new name for this alliance of Clintonites, Talk Radio Wingnut Warriors and Conserva-gensia.
The Big Three are now named:
THE AXIS of the INCOHERENT.
Posted by: The Commander Guy | April 14, 2008, 8:25 pm 8:25 pm
I think to put his “boy” comment in perspective ABC should perhaps have a full showing of Wright’s Clinton bashing sermons…lets put all 3 sound bites side by sied and see which are the most offensive,,,,then maybe Wright and Obama might consider offering her and Bill an apology for the profane attacks waged from Obama’s church by his spiritual mentor…
Posted by: Jackie | April 14, 2008, 8:31 pm 8:31 pm
I’m from the South, and I’m the same generation as Barack and this congressman, and I’ve never heard the term boy used in a racial way.
Sorry, this doesn’t wash. Nice try though to divert attention away from Barack’s insulting comments.
Posted by: Jo | April 14, 2008, 8:34 pm 8:34 pm
I’m from Kentucky and I know exactly what Rep. Davis was saying, He was in front of a safe Republican audience at a 4th Congressional District Lincoln Day Dinner. It was also attended by Republican Senators Mitch McConnell and Jim Bunning. Rep. Davis knew exactly what he was saying in using racist demeaning words. He knew he’d het a big laugh and applause from that crowd and that is exactly what he got. His apology is insincere and he should be ashamed.
Posted by: Jon | April 14, 2008, 8:42 pm 8:42 pm
“Boy” and “kid” are typical insults older politicians use to refer to younger ones in order to lower their stature.
But they’re not racist comments.
Posted by: Sammy | April 14, 2008, 8:44 pm 8:44 pm
Bitter Barry has played the race card a few too many times.
It’s like crying wolf now.
Posted by: Dave Mc | April 14, 2008, 8:46 pm 8:46 pm
I’m not convinced that the congressman’s intent was racist. I’m not saying it wasn’t either. Maybe with more context or if I knew who the heck this guy is I could make a better judgment. I’ve heard the term “boy” used referring to people a lot and usually there was no racist intent.
Jake: How about giving us a little more info?
Posted by: JohninVA | April 14, 2008, 8:54 pm 8:54 pm
I can tell you all something definate about this Democratic Party:
The Ultra-Liberal Left will NOT hijack the Democratic Party. I guarantee it. Wait until the General Election !!
Posted by: AMAZED | April 14, 2008, 8:55 pm 8:55 pm
If you all would watch the polls you would see Barack Obama was not and will not get the democrats he just insulted with his comment, he needed that vote.
Jake,
How old is the man who called him boy? Age could have something to do with the way he spoke….just an Idea……my point is we can’t say boy, we can’t say monkey etc….is this what an Obama White House would bring to this country more and more division….
After referring to Obama as a “snake-oil salesman,” he added that he had recently participated in a “highly classified, national security simulation” with the Illinois senator.
“I’m going to tell you something: That boy’s finger does not need to be on the button,” said Davis. “He could not make a decision in that simulation that related to a nuclear threat to this country.”
Posted by: 30yrdem | April 14, 2008, 9:01 pm 9:01 pm
How can he use the word, Boy? And Snake-oil salesman? WHAT? I’m soooooo tired of the Republican Party. I’m an independent usually, but this time around, I’m going with the democratic nominee. I don’t care if it’s Hillary or Barack – just as long as Bush and McCain don’t get the White House. I’m going with the democrats this time.
Posted by: Allen | April 14, 2008, 9:06 pm 9:06 pm
if somebody referred to hillary as a girl would this even be an issue? i do not think so. not because of the frequent double-standard issues we have seen but because it really is not offensive-i don’t get it! girl, boy, male, female,chick,dude, bro, homie, etc i mean get real.
Posted by: sonia trevino | April 14, 2008, 9:08 pm 9:08 pm
Senator Barack Obama’s wife Michelle is “Kim Jong-Il dressed up with a bit of Oprah Winfrey dressing,” according to Mark Steyn, probably the most widely read columnist in North America.
Posted by: Yep | April 14, 2008, 9:12 pm 9:12 pm
In referring to a 46 year old black man boy is a white racist word no matter how you look at it.
Obama 08!
Posted by: merle7 | April 14, 2008, 9:20 pm 9:20 pm
Well, I have personally used the term “that boy shouldn’t be allowed” to do whatever, even when referring to men older than me. And none of them were minorities.
Posted by: Buford Gooch | April 14, 2008, 9:20 pm 9:20 pm
“typical white person” – A heck of a lot more offensive!
The media cannot save obama no matter how hard you all try.
Posted by: geevill | April 14, 2008, 9:21 pm 9:21 pm
WASHINGTON – White House hopeful Barack Obama expressed admiration on Monday for his “formidable” rival Hillary Clinton.
What does he find so formidable about the New York senator and former first lady? He listed two things: her ability to keep raising money even though he is ahead of her in the delegate count and her determination to “toughen him up” for the fight he will face in November should he become the Democratic nominee to run against Republican John McCain.
“She’s unique,” Obama told a gathering of newspaper publishers and editors.
“There aren’t many figures in American politics who could sustain 11 straight losses and raise $35 million,” he said, referring to the hefty amount of campaign contributions she raked in during February, despite suffering a string of losses to Obama. The Illinois senator spoke about his opponent in response to a question about whether he was worried that their hard-fought nomination battle would leave the party in a weakened position for the general-election fight against McCain.
Posted by: SNOBama | April 14, 2008, 9:22 pm 9:22 pm
To deny that the comment “boy” is not racist is in itself an ignorant and unaware statement. I’m guessing that you would have to be under 20 years old or in denial to NOT KNOW that historically, grown African American males were commonly referred to as “boy’ during segregation.
-Pick up a book before you comment.
Posted by: Tiffany | April 14, 2008, 9:23 pm 9:23 pm
A reminder that no matter how elitist Sen. Obama’s “small town” comments may have seemed, to some folks he’ll never be equal to any white man.
- jpt
NO JAKE your comment is the most offensive comment yet. How dare you call an a veteran like Congressman Davis a racist.
Posted by: geevill | April 14, 2008, 9:27 pm 9:27 pm
Calling him ‘boy’ has its implications that are not lost on many. Was the comment “racist”? That’s probably too strong a word for the utterance. But the man apologized and it’s time to move beyond and talk about real issues.
Posted by: MIguy | April 14, 2008, 9:29 pm 9:29 pm
hey folks i have heard american soldiers referred to as ‘our boys’ all the time. i find that a bit bothersome since they are not boys, but i certainly do not see it as an insult either.
Posted by: sonia trevino | April 14, 2008, 9:32 pm 9:32 pm
@sonia trevino:
the difference is that our troops really are ‘boys’ – most are in their late teens and early 20′s. the congressman was using it in regards to a 46-year-old Senator.
Posted by: MIguy | April 14, 2008, 9:34 pm 9:34 pm
“NO JAKE your comment is the most offensive comment yet. How dare you call an a veteran like Congressman Davis a racist.”
What on earth does being a “veteran” have to do with being or not being a racist? What, is military service suddenly a get out of jail free card for any sort of negative behavior?
I suppose you’ll be voting for McCain then, right? Veterans can be heroes in their service to their country, but once their back in the civilian world, they can be as great or as monstrous as any lifelong civilian.
That includes the truly heroic, but out-of-touch, tempermental, flip-flopping wanna-be Republican John “Maverick” McCain.
Posted by: fontapa | April 14, 2008, 9:35 pm 9:35 pm
Tiffany: Working class people do not hold antipathy towards others either! Obama is a cultural bigot!
Posted by: russell | April 14, 2008, 9:36 pm 9:36 pm
I can’t wait til this election is finally over… I am sick of the “so-called” news that these organizations are spinning in the worst possible terms, to balkanize and destroy intellectiual thought in this country. One wwould do well to steer clear of all these blogs, that have everything but substance to their credit. Products like this represent the worst in America… always. But hey, at least the writers get a check, right?
Posted by: Ned | April 14, 2008, 9:37 pm 9:37 pm
On reflection, it’s not a bit clear to me that referring to somebody not present as “that boy” is necessarily racist.
Had Davis addressed a grown black, or semi-black, male DIRECTLY as “boy”, THAT likely WOULD have been a deliberate RACIAL insult.
The fact that Davis apologized promptly, in good form, also argues against his having deliberately given offense about race — though clearly he meant to deliver a political put-down.
Posted by: Belle Starr | April 14, 2008, 9:39 pm 9:39 pm
This is incredible! Jeezzzzzz! I’m speechless, and that never happens!
Posted by: Teri B. | April 14, 2008, 9:39 pm 9:39 pm
A lot of folks so filled with vitriol tonight, going off topic. Doesn’t matter whether you like or support Senator Obama – the question was whether he should be called ‘boy’. Obviously not. Is it racist? I don’t think so but some may rightly disagree. But if you deny the obvious, how does that support anything you are saying?
Posted by: MIguy | April 14, 2008, 9:39 pm 9:39 pm
Am watching FOX NEWS on TV right now, to get some “un-biased, balanced media coverage of politics”…….get THIS:
FOX just said that a Congressman from Wyoming just switched his SuperDelegate vote from obama to Hillary because of obama’s Mentor’s rhetoric…….watch out for the rest of the SuperDelegate stampede to Hillary !!!!
Posted by: AMAZED | April 14, 2008, 9:47 pm 9:47 pm
That is just a pathetic comment.
But here is the thing – this is just the beginning.
Still doesnot justify his non-sense.
Posted by: Joan | April 14, 2008, 9:49 pm 9:49 pm
looks like Jake is back in good graces with the obama crowd thanks to his ridiculous overaction (I doubt jpt really believes it, he is trying to provoke people)
I guess insulting millions and millions of people does not equal one “alleged” insulting comment about Obama.
I do not want that MAN with his finger on the button. happy?
Posted by: geevill | April 14, 2008, 9:51 pm 9:51 pm
Jan 8, 2008:
Brit Hume referred to John Edwards as “that boy” (Fox News Special Report with Brit Hume)
Jan 22, 2008:
Democratic Strategist Peter Fenn referred to Mitt Romney as “that boy” (MSNBC Tucker with Tucker Carlson)
Feb 7, 2008:
Karl Rove referred to Tim Russert as “that boy” (Fox News: Hannity and Colmes)
Posted by: fact checker | April 14, 2008, 9:52 pm 9:52 pm
None of the above commander guy.
I am an registered Democrat who voted for Clinton, but will vote for McCain in November if Obama is on the ticket.
I am not alone I can guarantee you.
Posted by: geevill | April 14, 2008, 9:54 pm 9:54 pm
BTW, Jake, I wish you’d blog some about the candidates positions on the issues. I listened to Clinton live on Ballot Bowl on CNN Saturday(doesn’t CNN even have enough sense to be embarassed about that title?), and her remarks were detailed and insightful and offered real solutions! Nearly had me jumping to my feet clapping! Thank you! Someone finally saying what needs to be said on that front, but she wasn’t antagonistic about it, just firm. Her reasoning follows what I’ve determined myself, as a total news and political junkie, and went well beyond.
Of course, in perfect form, Obama pretty much echoed what she said. Seems like he’s been copying off hers and Edwards’ papers about 95% of the time in this campaign, and I find it very frustraiting that this is rarely pointed out, obvious as it is.
Posted by: Teri B. | April 14, 2008, 9:55 pm 9:55 pm
Since when isn’t Kentucky part of the south???
Posted by: southernbell | April 14, 2008, 9:57 pm 9:57 pm
Uh . . . Brit Hume isn’t an elected official, and he says err . . . offensive stuff all the time. It’s Fox News, what do you expect?
Posted by: Teri B. | April 14, 2008, 9:58 pm 9:58 pm
Obama was a member in a racist church for 20 years , and he is still a member in the same church.
Posted by: Dragon | April 14, 2008, 9:58 pm 9:58 pm
geevill: I second that motion to vote for “other” if obama wins the Nomination. I also will not give one single red cent to the DNC campaign fund for the General Election if he wins the Nomination. Let the Wealthy, Elitist Democrats and all of those on-line contributors to his Nomination campaign fund him in the General Election.
Anybody ELSE ?
Posted by: AMAZED | April 14, 2008, 9:58 pm 9:58 pm
“grown African American males were commonly referred to as “boy’ during segregation.”
Actually NOT: they might be REFERRED to, if the referrer was a certain kind of uncultured white country person, by the n-word.
BUT: the sting in “boy” is when it was/is used directly to address someone, as though it were his name.
While it may not fit with the political correctness of the moment, anybody — black or white — who lived in the south during the 1950s could confirm the accuracy of this.
Posted by: Belle Starr | April 14, 2008, 10:00 pm 10:00 pm
You’ve obviously never been called “little lady,” or “girl,” or any of the other many titles men use to demean women. Actually, in many cases these men DON’T mean to demean women; they’re simply following the patterns of their youth. I think you could say the same about the “boy” comment.
But — that’s right. It’s only an insult when it happens to a man. Were you outraged when some yahoo at a McCain rally said something about Hillary being sent back to iron shirts? THAT was offensive — to women, that is. In fact, that was just as offensive as “boy.” Were your undies in a bundle, then? When much was made of Hillary’s cleavage, were you outraged then?
Or … not?
Posted by: Liz | April 14, 2008, 10:00 pm 10:00 pm
Teri B~
My thoughts exactly.
Posted by: catherine in nm | April 14, 2008, 10:02 pm 10:02 pm
Teri B.: it’s funny……I am a staunch Democrat, and used to HATE FOX NEWS. But lately all of the Mainstream Media are swooning over their love affair with obama-ness, so I am actually GETTING some balanced, objective political news from FOX NEWS. Best place for people to get what is REALLY happening without obama-spin for anybody who is interested……never thought I would say that, but it’s SURE TRUE this year !
Posted by: AMAZED | April 14, 2008, 10:02 pm 10:02 pm
“it’s not a bit clear to me that referring to somebody not present as “that boy” is necessarily racist.”
I’m afraid that show a lack of knowledge of modern American history then, in which racism, discrimation and segregation politics, and the Civil Rights movement are among the main subjects. Language was and is a main weapon in active racism, as you should know. For anyone conscious of the most troublesome part of American history, a thousand bells ring when a white man in an unfriendly context addresses a black man as “boy”. That is why Jake is so shocked and many others with. Here’s a white Congressman addressing a black Senator, who is the widely respected Dem frontrunner in the nomination race, as “boy”. Because that’s how white suprematist ideology denied black men their proper identity, citizenship and human status as men in the past.
For those who fail to understand how insulting and shocking this really is, please try to inform yourself on the history of this racist language, instead of acting as if nothing out the ordinary was put in into play by Davis’ way of addressing Obama.
Posted by: hanks | April 14, 2008, 10:04 pm 10:04 pm
Amazed, I’ve heard a lot of democrats say that they’ve been watching Fox actually because CNN and MSNBC are just long, slobbery Obama advertisements. I couldn’t agree more. I mean they gave Campbell Brown her own show so she could wrinkle up her nose disdainfully whenever Clinton is mentioned.
So, yeah, I’ve heard from others that their coverage of the democratic primary is a lot more balanced – imagine that, Fox News balanced – who’d a thunk that could happen. But I just can’t bring myself to watch Fox – can’t do it.
Posted by: Teri B. | April 14, 2008, 10:08 pm 10:08 pm
You know what? black males are NOT the only people to be called “boy” by Southern-living people. It’s a cultural thing among both older males. blacks and whites, alike.
Posted by: Amazed | April 14, 2008, 10:10 pm 10:10 pm
Hillary is called that name all the time. By Obama supporters mostly young men, sometimes women like Ms Powers.
No one seems to take much notice.
Posted by: s.b. | April 14, 2008, 10:11 pm 10:11 pm
Obama is immature. That’s why we defend this guy.
Posted by: geevill | April 14, 2008, 10:12 pm 10:12 pm
Hey, dacoach: we ALREADY KNOW what it’s like for people to call Hillary Clinton that kind of name. Men AND women who are threatened by a strong, powerful woman call these women that to try to “tear them down”. (That’s TRY to tear them down).
Posted by: Amazed | April 14, 2008, 10:12 pm 10:12 pm
most clinton supporters are further away from Mccain than Obama supporters… and the SD’s know that.
that’s why this is all pointless at this point. Obama is going to be President and the world will hold us in a much better regard… we will not be beholden to all the old backroom deals (thank you presidential library…I would love to hear them now …the following is spoken with a Bill accent “Uh you see sorry Mr. Criminal or Mr. Foreign businessman/official we won’t be able to pardon you or give you that government contract…this time…you see my wife didn’t win…and the library is built and please don’t send the chinese mafia after me.”
Posted by: dl | April 14, 2008, 10:13 pm 10:13 pm
The comment is offensive, but no more so than the sexist and agism that have been spewed at Clinton and McCain (b*tch, monster…).
Obama has inflamed racial tension and division in this country more than anyone in recent memory. His CHOICE of Wright”s racist, “black liberation theology” which blames evil white people for all that ails America is part of the problem. Obama’s reference to “typical white people” didn’t help. Nor does it help when he suggests that small town America is bitter and clings to guns and religion to explain their frustrations. You can’t just throw out crap like that and not expect any blow back.
And that is the fundamental problem with Obama–he thinks that he is above it all. That he can judge and scrutinize us without himself being judged and scrutinized.
He is self-righteous. He is arrogant. He is condescending. He is a hypocrite and yes, he is bitter. He surrounds himself with radical, bitter people like Jeremiah Wright and William Ayers. Old school liberal/malcontents who feel that society owes them something and scoff at patriotism (or in Wright’s extreme case–invoke Gods damnation on our country). Even Obama’s wife seems bitter–confessing that she has never been proud of this country until just now.
This country deserves and needs so much better.
Democrats and Republicans—UNITE AGAINST OBAMA!!!!!
Posted by: NJH | April 14, 2008, 10:13 pm 10:13 pm
…and I have never heard an official call Hillary a girl… I have Hillary talk about the kitchen or “being one of the girls” but I have never heard her referred toas a girl…oh no actually I did…that’s right…Bill Clinton called her a girl.
Posted by: dl | April 14, 2008, 10:15 pm 10:15 pm
commander guy,
John McCain would rather run against Clinton because he is a true American. even if there is a .0000000001% chance of Obama winning he would rather lose to Clinton than see an elitist anti-American couple like the Obamas in charge.
Posted by: geevill | April 14, 2008, 10:15 pm 10:15 pm
two points; mr. davis is not running for president (thank God). let his constituents deal with him.
davis unlike obama apologized (for his comments) instead of dragging the whole country through the mud. maybe that is the difference between a man and a boy. this man (davis) owned-up i respect him for that.
Posted by: sonia trevino | April 14, 2008, 10:15 pm 10:15 pm
Oh MI and Fl. No how obama supporters thinkhe’s going to win without these two states and probably without Ohio and PA is a great mystery.
I’m waiting for Al Gore to step up and say something about Florida’s votes not counting.
I find it hard to believe he could support the nomination of any candidate who only wins without those democrats votes counting.
The Democrats can kiss Florida goodbye for 20 years if that happens.
Posted by: s.b. | April 14, 2008, 10:15 pm 10:15 pm
“Since when isn’t Kentucky part of the south???”
Well, it wasn’t part of the “Old South”, which is where that comment came from. Kentucky didn’t separate from Virginia until after the American Revolution, and was a border state, neutral in the Civil War. Kentucky is on the other side of the Appalachians Mountains from the “Old South”.
Posted by: Belle Starr | April 14, 2008, 10:16 pm 10:16 pm
NJH: You GO !! I like your post.
Instead of campaigning FOR someone if obama gets the Nomination, I will organize campaigning AGAINST obama in the General Election !!
Posted by: Amazed | April 14, 2008, 10:17 pm 10:17 pm
Belle Starr: oh, please—–this isn’t about a History lesson…..I am from just North of Louisville—-born and raised—–and even people south of Effingham, Illinois call themselves “Southerners”.
Posted by: Amazed | April 14, 2008, 10:19 pm 10:19 pm
Actually Obama NEVER appologized for what he said. he has done nothing but defend what he said and appologize if anyone was offended. Not even if HE offended anyone.
This is a classic NON appology.
He most certainly hs not admitted what he said was completely wrong and has not appologized for his views or for that fact that he was speaking about samll town Pennsylvanians behind their backs at a “closed” champagne fundraiser at the Getty mansion in San Francisco.
This was way more than a chardonney fundraiser. Way More! The Getty mansion when the press were not supposed to be recording anything was not a great place to disrespect middle America for someone who thinks he can be President.
Posted by: s.b. | April 14, 2008, 10:19 pm 10:19 pm
Hillary Clinton has been called everything under the sun. Keith Olbermann said John Mccain needs adult underwear. I have four brothers and they have been called boy many times. I can see why Mccain wants to run against Clinton. If he runs against Obama, he will be apologizing every-other day for what some surrogate says, not to mention 527′s. Obama needs to grow a backbone like Clinton.
Posted by: Tina D | April 14, 2008, 10:20 pm 10:20 pm
Oh come on Amazed,I’ve only seen one blatently racist remark here. I wouldn’t defend this guy referring to Obama as “boy” for a second. I don’t assume it was intentionally racist – it probably wasn’t, given Obama’s age. It was probably a more condescending reference to his age more than anything else, BUT he’s a public official, and he should be much more careful, much more.
They’re not defending racism, they’re simply pointing out that people go bananas when anything even remotely referencing race is said about Obama, but no one raises an eyebrown when people make sexist remarks about Clinton. Women understand this – references to Clinton’s “shrillness,” pantsuits, and crying are pretty offensive to women, ya know?
People aren’t racist just because they support Clinton, and constantly slapping down the race card can be very counterproductive to your cause.
Posted by: Teri B. | April 14, 2008, 10:20 pm 10:20 pm
geevil perhaps they didn’t report on the protests today because the Clinton campaign filled their blackberry’s and voicemail with “Obama hates small town people” “Obama hates church” “Obama hates God” “obama hates the flag” Obama hates.”
lol
I think there is only one candidate and campaign that really hates… …and that would be the loser of the two. …and if you didn’t know…that was uh Hillary.
Posted by: dl | April 14, 2008, 10:20 pm 10:20 pm
Barack Obama by the way went to the most elite private school in Hawaii.
He has no experience of discrimination or disadvantage in his history.
He has always led a white life of priviledge until he decided to attach himself to Rev Wright for political reasons to win elections on the south side of Chicago.
Posted by: s.b. | April 14, 2008, 10:22 pm 10:22 pm
Hey, Rich, don’t tell ME about prejudice……my best friend in college (and I am white—-she was black) was not allowed to use the bathroom in a town gas station near our university because she was “colored”. I STILL say that the term “BOY” is USED BY OLDER MEN FROM THE SOUTH—->black AND white men, alike, used to describe younger males.
Posted by: Amazed | April 14, 2008, 10:22 pm 10:22 pm
MIGuy: When I was growing up in rural america my elders called me boy all the time, I don’t beleive that is necessarily a racist statement but it was insensitive given the fact that it was used in the south as a means of letting blacks know “their place”! I do think that we may be letting this get out of hand, I saw a story about a hispanic woman who was a delegate for Obama who told childern that were playing in her tree to “get off of their you little monkeys”. First Obama’s campaign asked that she not come to the convention because they said that what she said was racially insensitive! They later reversed and said that she was welcome. So the congressman should not have used the term “boy” and Obama should not have been so sensitive about the woman calling the black childern little monkeys! PC is getting a little out of hand.
Posted by: russell | April 14, 2008, 10:23 pm 10:23 pm
“a thousand bells ring when a white man in an unfriendly context addresses a black man as ‘boy’.”
That’s just about EXACTLY what I said. The point is that Davis did NOT address Obama as “boy”, but REFERRED to him as “that boy”.
Posted by: Belle Starr | April 14, 2008, 10:23 pm 10:23 pm
okay and I have a question…why is it that all the networks have tried to interview people on the street and have had a hard time finding people really pissed off about what Obama said…but yet somehow the Clinton campaign found a bunch in time to put out an ad and they all seem to have been found at the same time of day?… It’s amazing how you can find so many people so angry at obama walking on the sidewalk…especially when you set up your camera directly outside Clinton campaign headquarters…lol
Posted by: dl | April 14, 2008, 10:24 pm 10:24 pm
By the way, Rich. I am ALL FOR a 1/2 black, 1/2 white President, or an all-Black President, but this obama isn’t the one.
Posted by: Amazed | April 14, 2008, 10:24 pm 10:24 pm
Amazed: What you say is true all my friends white and black were called boy by our elders and no one took offence! But that was before PC took over!
Posted by: russell | April 14, 2008, 10:26 pm 10:26 pm
The Obama campaign also was going to disenfranchise one of ts delegates for calling her neighbor’s children monkeys. They happen to be black. She explained that she also calls her own grandchildren monkeys, but the Obama thought police would have none of it. She was RACIST and she was not going to be a delegate. Not until the public outcry against these 1984esque tactics surficed.
I’ll defend the comments. They were about Obama’s age and inexperience. They had nothing to do with his race. Calling everyone who criticizes Obama racist is totalitarian. It will not fly in a general election.
It is offensive and has to stop. Obama is young and inexperienced. Someone called him a boy. So what.
Hillary is called much worse on a daily basis and the MSM publishes it on its comment threads and doesn’t report on it as unusual at all.
Posted by: s.b. | April 14, 2008, 10:27 pm 10:27 pm
Well, Obama said he wanted to open up the dialogue about race. Let’s talk race.
Posted by: A Step Forward | April 14, 2008, 10:30 pm 10:30 pm
Teri B.: I wish you had caught this really good lecture on C-Span yesterday morning: it was by a lecturer who did a study/wrote a book about what reaction the MEDIA has had to any women candidates for President, from 1874 (Shirley Chisholm) to Present. It was so fascinating ! The top 2 things the Media ALWAYS reported on in THAT WHOLE TIME was that women “were not fit to become President” because:
1). They were too emotional
2). They couldn’t handle a “crisis”
3). They were concerned only
with “trivial” things
This great lecturer debunked all of these myths, and gave the rationale for what was the TRUTH. Hope the show comes on again. I think all women should see it.
Posted by: Amazed | April 14, 2008, 10:31 pm 10:31 pm
since when does the “Old South” have a monopoly on racism?
Posted by: southernbell | April 14, 2008, 10:31 pm 10:31 pm
Setting the Record Straight writes:
“Belle Starr, you don’t know what the hell you’re talking about. I grew up in South Carolina in the 1950s and I can tell you that I got called “boy” plenty of times …”
My facts are straight enough, thanks. What I said is that referring to someone your own age as “that boy” (50 years after official segregation ended) is NOT the same as CALLING somebody “boy” to his face, as a substitute for his name — and that Davis’ use of “that boy” may well NOT have been intended as a RACIAL insult.
I did NOT say anything about segregation not happening, or the other stuff you suggest.
Posted by: Belle Starr | April 14, 2008, 10:34 pm 10:34 pm
Thanks Amazed, I’ll look for it. Sounds very informative.
A step forward – I hope you know what you’re asking for! These discussions, and I’ve tried to participate in many online, always seem to devolve into the worst kind of name calling. It’s very unfortunate.
I was really impressed with Obama’s speech on race, because he hit on the issues that frustrate both sides, BUT that was a speech, not a dialog. People tend to climb on their superior, high horses when ever race comes up and throw around the “bigot” accusation in the most irresponsible way whenever anyone disagrees with them. It’s hardly ever productive, particularly in this format.
But hey, I’m willing to read along.:)
Posted by: Teri B. | April 14, 2008, 10:37 pm 10:37 pm
dl: Read both my post before you do like Obama a go shoot you mouth off! I said in my previous post that it was the wrong thing to say because it was used by many to demean blacks especially during and after slavery, I said that he should not have said it!! In my second post I was just giving a amen to the fact that when I was growing up black elders and white elders called me boy I am sorry if you think that my experience makes you so angry and bitter and if that is the level of your intellect then be my guest and call me anything you like, as long as you call me to supper! Read before you post!
Posted by: russell | April 14, 2008, 10:38 pm 10:38 pm
wow, boy what was he thinking im sure hilary would have had him fired if he called her that girl!
Posted by: melissa | April 14, 2008, 10:38 pm 10:38 pm
Excuse the typos in my original post. Here is what I meant to say–
The comment is offensive, but no more so than the sexism and agism that have been spewed at Clinton and McCain (b*tch, monster…).
Obama has inflamed racial tension and division in this country more than anyone in recent memory. His CHOICE of Wright”s racist, “black liberation theology” which blames “evil white people” for all that ails America is part of the problem. Obama’s reference to “typical white people” didn’t help. Nor does it help when he suggests that small town America is bitter and clings to guns and religion to explain their frustrations. You can’t just throw out crap like that and not expect any blow back.
And that is the fundamental problem with Obama–he thinks that he is above it all. That he can judge and scrutinize us without himself being judged and scrutinized.
He is self-righteous. He is arrogant. He is condescending. He is a hypocrite and yes, he is bitter. He surrounds himself with radical, bitter people like Jeremiah Wright and William Ayers. Old school liberal/malcontents who feel that society owes them something and who scoff at patriotism (or in Wright’s extreme case–invoke God’s damnation on our country). Even Obama’s wife seems bitter–confessing that she has never been proud of this country, until just now.
This country deserves and needs so much better.
Democrats and Republicans—UNITE AGAINST OBAMA!!!!!
Posted by: NJH | April 14, 2008, 10:40 pm 10:40 pm
I’m not exactly white.
Obama hasn’t experienced any discrimination based on the colour of his skin in this race, or in any political race he’s been in, which is what the discussion is about.
Of course racism exists. Of course white people and black people are racist against blacks. It’s conditioned into them.
You don’t know who you are talking to. I work against racism on a daily basis. I don’t think Rev Wright is racist against whites and have never said any such thing because I don’t think its possible. I think he hates whites.
I am well aware of the very real manifestations of racism experienced by African Americans and other people of colour.
I will tell you something though. Many of the young white men that I know who support Obama are capable of some of the most vile hatred against people of color and women. I have heard it.
Supporting Barack obama doesn’t mean they aren’t racist. In fact, it could mean quite the opposite and be used as a justification.
You know the “I’m, not racist but…” justification or the, “my best friend is black but…” justification. It will be the “I voted for Barack Obama” but…” justification.
Again you don’t know who you are talking to. You don’t know what I do or have done to fight racism in myself an in others. I do not however feel the need to put up with mysoginistic criticisms of Hillary Clinton biased press coverage and voting to assuage white liberal guilt for a candidate that CANNOT win a general election.
Obama CANNOT win a general election. he is not qualified and he has huge liablilites which the republicans will exploit and FL and MI are dead zones for him.
Dems either want to win the white house or they don’t. Obama is not that candidate for many and increasingly more reasons.
Posted by: s.b. | April 14, 2008, 10:40 pm 10:40 pm
And about the woman calling the kids “little monkeys”. Give ME A BREAK ! I am white and my Grama who would be 110 now used to call the white neighborhood kids “monkeys” all the time when they’d be acting up ! It’s an old generational slang that they used at that time, like “boy” was used by the men. It’s like calling kids “rugrats” now. Is THAT offensive ?
Posted by: Amazed | April 14, 2008, 10:41 pm 10:41 pm
Mr. Obama, if elected, will have the power to punish those who use such insensitive words. He will be able to appoint military commanders and high officials who share his contempt for those who use such insensitive words. He will be able to correct the mistakes of the past thru reparations and other redress. He will be the most powerful man in the world.
Posted by: texasdemocrat | April 14, 2008, 10:41 pm 10:41 pm
To S.B., I am white. One day my mother and I stopped at a Denny’s in Bartow FL. We waited and waited for someone to come and take our order. After forty minutes we walked out and I said to my mother “if we were African American we would have a lawsuit”. Were my mother and I discriminated against or were they just busy or rude. I am not saying African Americans are not discriminated against but sometimes I think it just being sensitive.
Posted by: Chris | April 14, 2008, 10:42 pm 10:42 pm
@russell:
I’m no fan of P.C. run amok – it stunts conversations because everyone keeps tripping over their words hoping not to offend anyone else. There is nothing wrong with offending others by stating your opinion. On the other hand, deliberately demeaning comments are insults plain and simple. I don’t think the congressman chose “racist” words and I certainly don’t know him to call him one. The biggest problem I see is that calling our candidates names (such as ‘boy’) ultimately demeans our political system. We should have a bit more respect for the offices these folks hold and thank goodness someone wants to do a job where they subject themselves to such personal attacks.
Posted by: MIguy | April 14, 2008, 10:43 pm 10:43 pm
Big surprise… some greasy southern country club republican lets his lips get the best of him. All you Clinton drones got to take a look at the company you’re keeping these days.
Do you have any need to hear from some no-name, tassle-toed, sissy republican with a cheesy golf club insignia on his $750 sweater. Who votes for these people.
I’m standing up with Obama to send these mothers back to the stone age. guys like this aren’t part of the news, but soon enough they’ll be part of history.
Posted by: mattie | April 14, 2008, 11:01 pm 11:01 pm
MIGuy: That person must have been wise beyond their years! It is great to talk to someone rather than at someone, like my grandpa use to say! It is good to talk with you even if we sometimes disagree I would be proud to call you my friend!
Posted by: russell | April 14, 2008, 11:02 pm 11:02 pm
mg: you are showing your ignorance of what Hillary Clinton DOES talk about on a daily basis—-she talks about her Solutions for America’s problems in great detail. If you would just LISTEN to her—-better yet—-listen this coming Wednesday when she and obama engage in a debate. You’ll hear that she has done her homework—-understands the problems America faces, and has thought of a way forward to get past them. Sometimes she even attacks obama on the dumb things that he says.
Posted by: Amazed | April 14, 2008, 11:02 pm 11:02 pm
mattie: so much for what obama said about ” getting compromise from both sides of the aisle” and “uniting people of all Parties”, huh?
Posted by: Amazed | April 14, 2008, 11:04 pm 11:04 pm
My dad who past away at age 97 said that no matter what age he was the white man still called him a BOY. He wondered when he would become a man.
Posted by: PDC | April 14, 2008, 11:07 pm 11:07 pm
@russell:
Right back at ya. Put your Chevy against my Ford this weekend; Crown Royal if you win, Jim Beam if I do…
Time to sign off for me…g’night folks. (By the way, excellent point Ray Lopez – I thought much the same, but the Bush/Cheney years have shown why we may not want a strong Executive Branch).
Posted by: MIguy | April 14, 2008, 11:07 pm 11:07 pm
BTW, I think the most offensive comment thus far was the attack on voters – the Obama surrogates and the Obamedia pressuring Clinton to quit and let Obama win.
I seem to remember there being an election no so long ago where the person with the most votes didn’t win, and democrats were kind of upset about that. Are we hypcrites to that degree now?
As for the “rules is rules” argument, here’s a rule for ya. FL’s and MI’s votes are officially part of the popular vote total. DNC has NO authority over votes – that’s state election law and those votes have been certified by the secretaries of state in those states. Obama nixed the idea of a do over, and he voluntarily removed his name from the ballot in MI, something Clinton and Obama supporter Dodd did not do. Apparenlty he thought better of doing that in FL, which again, reminds me of 2000 – Gore followed the state’s recount rules and picked the counties he wanted recounted, and Bush refused to pick his counties saying, It’s over! I won! I won! My Daddy’s judges will give it to me!
So, Obama, per the rules, is only 94,005 votes ahead of Clinton. There is NO reason anyone in their right mind would quit.
The super delegates chosing the candidate who gets the most votes is CERTAINLY well within those precious rules.
IF Obama had consented to re-votes, we wouldn’t even be dealing with this issue – OBAMA’S fault. The DNC CANNOT, without risking losing the general election, disenfranchize FL and MI – the DNC’s fault for not dealing with this better.
NONE of this, however, is Sen. Clinton’s fault, and she shouldn’t be penalized to the point of having the nomination taken from her nor being forced out on a flawed delegate count.
I find it pretty slimy that Obama is jumping up and and down basically saying, GOTCHA, those are the rules, I win on a technicality (one that abuses the voters to boot), so you have to quit.
Posted by: Teri B. | April 14, 2008, 11:10 pm 11:10 pm
This man is only 3 years older that Obama. Calling another mana boy is just disrespectful
Posted by: PDC | April 14, 2008, 11:15 pm 11:15 pm
Davis stepped into it, no doubt, but I think this is really generated to spin the news cycle again.
On the other hand, before the hatemeisters get too much credit, I grew up in the South in the 1950s and 60s too.
Boy: pejorative slang used in many situations that are not always racial or involve blacks. Older men call younger men “boy”. It isn’t racial as much as it is dominating, somewhat like calling their dog a mangy mutt. As we say here, it’s pissing on tree behavior.
When I was a kid as a member of the TV generation who learned to talk by listening to Bob Keeshan, one of my friend’s grandfathers called me “Yank” for years. That was an insult, BTW.
:-) Go nuts.
Calling Hillary c*nt, b*tch, or monster are not that ambiguous. They are simply and directly offensive. The Annie Oakley thing isn’t clever. It’s just a put-down from a man who lost momentum. Otherwise, it’s a cheap shot.
I’m looking forward to the debate. That ought to be good TV, but as divisive campaigns go, this one is succeeding wildly.
Posted by: len | April 14, 2008, 11:15 pm 11:15 pm
“Boy”?
Yikes!
I remember when the side of KFC boxes carried the original lyrics to “My Old Kentucky Home” (Poor Uncle Tom Good Night) The State Song of Kentucky.
“The sun shines bright in the old Kentucky home,
‘Tis summer, the darkies are gay;
The corn-top’s ripe and the meadow’s in the bloom,
While the birds make music all the day.”
It wasn’t until 1986 that the state of Kentucky swapped the word “darkies” for “people”
I guess we can be glad that Geoff Davis
didn’t say, “That darky’s finger…”
Posted by: John Quimby | April 14, 2008, 11:25 pm 11:25 pm
Stupid, divisive REPUBLICAN remarks, but Obama’s not even African American!
BARACK OBAMA is BIRACIAL!
Posted by: John | April 15, 2008, 12:23 am 12:23 am
But it didn’t outrage the broadcast networks enough to include it in their broadcasts I see.
Posted by: kravitz | April 15, 2008, 4:25 am 4:25 am
Perhaps he should of called Obama a “Monster”- apparently that is less offensive than calling someone a boy.
Posted by: geevill | April 15, 2008, 9:26 am 9:26 am
Ill give the Congressman the benefit of the doubt on this one. I’m from Alabama and we call friends and family “boy” all the time when you are trying to be serious. It’s just a figure of speech. I know if I called Obama boy I wouldn’t think nothing of it just like the Congressman probably didn’t or at least I hope he didn’t. LOL
Posted by: Harley. | April 15, 2008, 9:45 am 9:45 am
Let’s not confuse the context of this comment. Boy is sometimes used in the South to refer to a close friend or acquaintance. However, the statement was negative and there is know way to take the “boy” reference as not being a big deal. He is not Obama’s friend and doesn’t pretend to be. He didn’t say “My boy Obama is this or that….” He said, “that boy.” You don’t have to put race in this situation. It smacks you in the face unless you want to ignore it. However, I bet CNN won’t have a week-long forum about this comment.
Posted by: Mike G | April 15, 2008, 10:45 am 10:45 am
I see some people are saying that maybe Davis used “boy” to call Obama a friend. People, please don’t be so naive. It was meant to degrade Obama and that is it.
Posted by: Danielle | April 15, 2008, 11:57 am 11:57 am
Geoff has no reason to apologize. His statement was entirely accurate and appropriate. I know him and his family personally, and I can say with great confidence that there is not a racist bone is his body. Anyone with a functioning brain knows that Geoff’s statement was a commentary on Obama’s youth (relative to most of our presidents) and utter incompetence to discharge the office he seeks. It had no racial overtones whatsoever, except to the people who wanted there to be. Obama, who supposedly transcends race issues, shamelessly seized upon Davis’ comment as yet another opportunity to play the race card in an effort to distract attention away from his own recent gaffes (which he “regrets” but does not retract).
Isn’t it interesting that Obama, whose comments were far more incendiary, demands and expects a pass for his words, or at least an opportunity to explain them away, yet he is quick to crucify Davis for far less? Obama (and his surrogates) ought to hold himself to the same standards that he applies to Davis, but of course that is unthinkable to the liberal mindset. Let’s be intellectually honest here, shall we?
Posted by: Dave J. | April 15, 2008, 1:22 pm 1:22 pm
Um hey Dave- Obama hasn’t even addressed this yet- this is just people’s own personal outrage here. Matter of fact this story happened yesterday and got coverage on like one show…. and your friend was the one that called Obama and apologized. If you look at it , it creates a pattern for the Republicans and I think that may be where everyone is questioning what your friend said whether he meant it racially or not. First thing to come to mind when I heard this was McCain’s other surrogate telling us we could have our Tiger Woods.. Idk I am telling you what comes to my mind immediately following one of these statements- you don’t have to agree with me. I remember McCain from years ago and have always respected him, this disappoints me more then anything – but I wasn’t going to vote for him anyway- I would just like to see him play a little classier campaign here. Actually that should go for all 3 of them ..
Posted by: letsbhonestnow | April 15, 2008, 1:58 pm 1:58 pm
Um hey letsbhonestnow — From Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton: “It’s hard to tell what is more outrageous – Representative Davis’ condescending and personal attack, or his absurd and offensive claim that Barack Obama is not prepared to defend America…” etc. etc.
Any time a Republican slips up even in the slightest, he gets crucified and has no choice but to apologize. Conversely, any time a Demagogue spews the most incendiary, elitist rhetoric, everybody and his dog rushes to his defense and explains it all away. The hypocrisy of it all is simply staggering. Like I said, let’s be honest about it.
Let me also be clear. Obama is young, inexperienced and incompetent. He has no business in the White House. I don’t give a rip how eloquent he may be. Just like Hillary, he got himself elected to the Senate for the sole purpose of launching a presidential bid. He’s a rank opportunist who is taking advantage of his race to shield himself from true scrutiny and just criticism.
I never thought I would say such a thing, but here goes — Geraldine Ferraro was right. But for Obama’s race, no one would be taking him seriously. Peel away that little layer of teflon, and all you have left is a feeble joke that people laugh at only out of strained politeness. Geoff Davis hit the nail on the head.
Posted by: Dave J. | April 15, 2008, 2:16 pm 2:16 pm
The boy comment was bad, indeed. But, just for a second, listen to the rest of the message. Obama didn’t do very well in the simulation and shouldn’t be trusted in that situation.
Posted by: Belle | April 15, 2008, 3:47 pm 3:47 pm
Dave J. said: “Geoff has no reason to apologize. His statement was entirely accurate and appropriate. I know him and his family personally, and I can say with great confidence that there is not a racist bone is his body.”
Typical answer from a Conservative/Republican. “His statement was entirely accurate and appropriate.” Obviously you and Geoff don’t have any brains. If you did you would know that some white guy referring to a black MAN as”boy” is gonna spark racial controversy or have you been living in a cave and fail to realize that.
Historically, in countries such as the U.S. and South Africa, “boy” was not only a ‘neutral’ term for domestics but also used as a disparaging racist insult towards non-white males (especially of African descent), recalling their subservient status even after the 20th century legal emancipation (from slavery, evolved to race segregation, viz. Apartheid) and alleged infantility, and many still consider it offensive in that context to this day.
Posted by: Dennis in Orlando, FL | April 15, 2008, 7:39 pm 7:39 pm
that sort of comment shouldnt ever be tolerated, and the press is right to ask him what his intentions with that comment were; but too often the press overlooks sexist comments made about clinton, or about nancy pelosi. that steinem oped was right in saying that the media is much more conscious of racist rhetoric, and much more guarded, than it is about sexist rhetoric. and i also dont understand why the stories in the past week about the bitter comments, wright, et al, have all been written about not as possible obstacles in the general election. the stories have focused on how hillary clinton is making the case that they might be troublesome in a general election. the stories have become about what a shrew clinton is, not about obama’s possible general election chances, which are legit concerns to raise.
Posted by: erik | April 17, 2008, 7:39 pm 7:39 pm
“Words fail me.”
I’m with you.
This is unbelievable.
Posted by: kaj | September 4, 2008, 8:02 pm 8:02 pm
Hey Jake were you as offended by Carter referring to Obama as a “black boy”? Somehow I doubt it.
Posted by: Waynester | January 14, 2010, 3:40 pm 3:40 pm