The Nuanced Truth About Hillary Clinton’s Hospital Story

That we need a better healthcare system because she was not taken care of because of $100!

What have we learned? We’ve learned that Clinton will say anything. After the Bosnia story was proven so false, she should have had her campaign vetting her other stories. Hillary will say anything to get elected.

And Kathleen would be the first pirate on board. Welcome aboard Kathleen, make sure you don’t get trampled by the scurry of little feet behind you.
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Obama has a piece of eight, Hillary must have nine.
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Ok, I can’t vote for Hillary, because I would have an even worse feeling that the truth is either hidden, stretched, minimized or needs to be requested through an attorney.
I’m sorry, but after all these years of the Bush administrations “misstatements” about weapons of mass destruction, etc. – I will not support a candidate who is this far separated from the truth.

What are we to learn from this? We learn that no CLINIC or hospital or doctor in this WEALTHY country should EVER deny a sick patient coverage for any reason whatsoever….whether she is pregnant or not. We also learn much about the health care system in this country and the GREED of doctors, clinics and hospitals. What’s more important? A sick young lady or whether the doctor of a clinic will be able to afford another Mercedes Benz? The entire system is broken. Money $$$$$$$ rules the day, not the sick people in this country. Something is seriously wrong here.
Hippocratic Oath:
1. To teach medicine to the sons of my teacher. In the past, medical schools would give preferential consideration to the children of physicians.
2. To practice and prescribe to the best of my ability for the good of my patients, and to try to avoid harming them. This beneficial intention is the purpose of the physician. However, this item is still invoked in the modern discussions of euthanasia.
3. Never to do deliberate harm to anyone for anyone else’s interest. Physician organizations in most countries have strongly denounced physician participation in legal executions. However, in a small number of cases, most notably Oregon[3] and the Netherlands[4], a doctor can perform euthanasia, by both his and the patient’s consent.
4. To avoid violating the morals of my community. Many licensing agencies will revoke a physician’s license for offending the morals of the community (“moral turpitude”).
5. To avoid attempting to do things that other specialists can do better. The “stones” referred to are kidney stones or bladder stones, removal of which was judged too menial for physicians, and therefore was left for barbers (the forerunners of modern surgeons). Surgery was not recognized as a specialty at that time. This sentence is now interpreted as acknowledging that it is impossible for any single physician to maintain expertise in all areas. It also highlights the different historical origins of the surgeon and the physician.
6. To keep the good of the patient as the highest priority. There may be other conflicting ‘good purposes,’ such as community welfare, conserving economic resources, supporting the criminal justice system, or simply making money for the physician or his employer that provide recurring challenges to physicians.
7. To avoid sexual relationships or other inappropriate entanglements with patients and families. The value of avoiding conflicts of interest, and the misuse of the superior position of the physician for self gratification, are not often questioned.

Lauren,
At least you are consistent. Hillary was the villain when Obama was “twisting the truth” in the last column, and she is till the villain here. You always remain true to the Obama code. Arrrrrrr!
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Arrrrrrr!!
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This is a lesson to Hillary.
People just don’t trust anything she says any more. Even when she tries to say the truth, people still doubt her.
She has built a reputation for lies which will take her some time to change.

No Hillary is not a liar the media has painted her as one for thier own gain they have singled her out it could be a gender thing I think they would not dare say that about a male running for President.

Geldo,
Imagine yourself running for office, and having hundreds of thousands of people tearing away at every nuance of everything you say. Then there are people re-interpreting your statements and hundreds of thousands of people tearing away at the re-intepretations. Do we really know what any politician has said. Jake is pointing to an original source here, finally, and you can make up your own mind if you go to that source. That fact that Hillary’s name was sullied on this story has nothing to do with Hillary, it’s more about the American people and the fact that they like a good fight.
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Arrrrrgggghhhhhh! Cat fight!
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@ Lauren
You’re totally right.
She should have done a background check on the deceased.
A sheriff’s deputy isn’t a trustworthy source!
You’re a genius.

I want to say one thing to the American people. Everybody does it & I want you to listen to me. I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky. never. These allegations are false. And I need to go back to work for the American people. Thank you.

Media scrutiny? This poor family and friends have been bothered endlessly by the media just so the could find something new to attack Hillary with. Hunting down children in campaign commercials, a aunt that lost to family members, who’s next. Could we save time and just have the media repeat 24 hours a day “We hate Hillary!We hate Hillary”and we all can take a rest till it’s time to vote.

B1
You forgot It is the VAST right wing who is out to get Bill.
She is a stalker , mentally unbalanced.
Never can say i was wrong.
It was sleep deprivation.

Thanks – Dogsoldier. I feel badly that you that you glean all of your information for voting from newspapers and pundits. I’m fairly certain you can get the voting records online now. =-)
If you enjoy reading this much – maybe take a peak at the Starr report, congressional records, the White Water issue, the records that were found at the White House residence that were “missing” for 3 years after investigators supeaoned them.
You might also want to check out the banking records for the Cayman Island bank accounts the Clinton’s maintain and also their investments in foreign governements. While you are at it, you might want to check out the Clinton Library donor listing. Oh wait, the Clintons are having a “hard time” getting that together. You could also check out the source of the 5 million “loan” to the campaign – oh wait, they need 3 extra years to file that.
See the pattern? I don’t know how old you are, but if you went through the 90′s with the Clinton’s, you would not trust them either. Evidently over 50% of Americans don’t.
It’s sad to see someone have so much faith in the Clintons when their history of deception, lies and “misstatements” is so well recorded in court transcripts, legal record, voting records, etc. I think they underestimated the easy availability of their history to the American public, hence the hard time they are having selling the notion that they are “on our side”.

Lauren,
What is your candidate’s position on NAFTA? What is your candidate’s position on anything? I think it’s fair for you to take issue with Hillary’s authentic positions, but you should not repeat what you heard in these blogs
as the source of those positions. You’ve adopted a hate all things Hillary posture, you disregard the topic of this blog, and you launch into diatribes about Hillary. For what purpose, to make Obama look better?
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Hillary stands up for all voters!
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You know I’m sure it was very dangerous no matter what they say . Every time I saw my loved ones off when they went to a war zone I always believed it was dangerous.

I guess she sat under a rock and being as bright as she is took nothing in.

Angela – So you do faint at Obama speeches? Thought so.

Hillary was for universal healthcare when it wasn’t cool. She has been beaten down by the media, the left wing and the right wing for every minor infraction both real and imagined. We will one day look back on this election and feel sadness for how unjustly Hillary has been treated. We will realize what a horrible mistake we have made just as we did after Gore lost in 2000. In a few years many will come to this realization, many of us know today.

Lauren,
The candidate’s sexuality has nothing to do with this. I’ve heard stories about Obama but I don’t engage in that drivel.
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Evaluate the candidate, not their sex!
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Geldo – Experience and Obama. Isn’t that an oxymoron? Of course Obama NOW claims to have more foreign policy experience than either McCain or Clinton. If you visit Kenya and dress up as an Muslim and go to Muslim school in Indonesia is the sum total of Obama’s “foreign” policy “experience.” Like I said, oxymoron.

Lauren – So Obama is not in this to “win” either?

Geldo posted:
“Is being a first lady the experience one needs to be president?
What decisions was Hillary making as first lady?
Being married to a lawyer doesn’t make you one. Being married to a comedian doesn’t make you to be funny.”
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You are right… However, being married to a lawyer will give you opportunity to look at what the law pratice is… being married to a comedian will give your opportunity to know how a comedian make a life…
Being a first lady will let you know how the country will be managed if you worked hard to learn…
Being a first lady is a golden opportunity if you do care the country and how the country is run and what is inside the whole world…
So being a first lay will be a very unique experience to learn how to run the country if you want…
It will be much better than someone who has zero experience and doesn’t know what is extractly needed to run this country…

Can we just get off this story already. The media drags it on with their little spin to still make Hillary look like she made the story different. I read that the Aunt of the woman said it was true and she said she voted for Hillary and was glad she did. By the way, the heading was in very small letters and placed underneath a bigger story as an afterthought. I also just read that Obama claimed in a speech the other day that he has more foreign policy experience than both Hillary and McCain. Hillary responded that she was speechless he would say that but hopefully the voters will know better and look at his past record.

Bishop ====== There is more to the presidency than meeting people around the world.
Qualities like – good management skills, good leadership skills, self control, ability to make quick decisions, negotiating skills etc.
You don’t acquire these abilities by being a first lady.

The mainstream media will do ANYTHING they can to ensure Obama wins the presidency.
They’re not even trying to hide it anymore. I just read a Martha Raddatz piece about how supposedly the troops are all for Obama. That’s what they want you to think. They must think Obama needs so much help to win. Why is that? Because he’s a weak candidate, and they know it.
And the media wonders why they have approval ratings in the teens.

Lauren – Wright. Joke? Obama sits in Wright’s church for twenty years and never heard a thing. Then Obama defended Wright by throwing grandma under the bus because she was a “typical white person”. However, grandma was still moving so Obama backed up the bus and ran over grandma again. Why? Who cares, she was still moving wasn’t she?

Geldo – Do you get a shiver up your leg like Chris Matthews at MSNBC?

Jo,
That caring is only one-sided, they ignore the fact that Obama admitted cocaine usage, they ignore the fact that Obama admitted that he had a “boneheaded” relationship with Rezko (although he gained $250,000 in value out of it), they ignore the fact that he has been in a relationship with a hate-spewing reverend for 20 years, and he makes light of the guy, that he’s like an old uncle (the crazy uncle defense?), and they ignore the fact that he takes money from oil company executives.
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Obama helps us see!
Before Obama we were blind!
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WestCoastMessanger, russel, Jo, Jay, Jgaw, et al, HillLovers, you have to understand that presidency is not a sexually transmitted disease, so you cannot catch it or be able to exercise it by sleeping with someone who is a president. Being a gracious first lady is a ceremonial function, it is not a professional,political or administrative function. Period. Re the hospital story, Hill the Bosnian General has missed it again, she mispoke again. That is the important point here. Hill the Bosnian General should not force anybody to buy a health insurance. Even Castro will not do that to his people. Obama’s plan is the best plan because lowering the cost is most significant than pushing people to buy what they camnnot afford as Hill’s plan is imposing. In Mass. plan similar to HillaryCare have been assessed as dysfunctional and non affordable. God bless America and God bless Obama. OBAMA08.

True Truth – The president and 1st lady are not inseparable. Most of the time they are away on their own schedules (refer to Lewinsky matter as the to scheduling). She has misrepresented so much about her “35 years” now, that all of it is questionable.
About healthcare:
Words vs. Solutions
Hillary SAYS health care is a vital issue.
Hillary DOES:
Campaign finance records also reveal that Clinton, a champion of universal health care, was late paying nearly $300,000 in health care premiums for her campaign staff.
She can’t even effectively fire Penn.
Obama 08

The story is true. A hospital refused her treatment for lack of $100. She was turned away went to another hospital where her baby died. Then she died later.
True story!
Much more true than Obama saying his parents met at a civil rights march when he was already 4 years old for example.

Angela,
First lady is NOT president for sure…
However, like I pointed, it is an given opportunity to know how a president to run the country…
Most first ladies don’t care how their husband to run the country but a few do…Hillary is one of a few who has desire to lead this country…How much has she learned and equiped herself will be up to American voters to judge…
But never understimate your fellow woman the desire to learn and try to lead the country for better…
BTW, please don’t do personal attack to your fellows..It is a committed SIN under the God’s name…

well then i guess it would be befitting
to use it against Hillary followers. Like they say what is good for the goose is good for the gander.
But I personally will not use it because as i stated above, there are thousands of children in this Country who do not get real juice because the Parents can not afford it. I also believe people are using it to put down African Americans and those who want Barack Obama as a put down.

I don’t know what you are geting at I just know that it is an expression that has been used when you see people who follow after some one and mainly since it was reported in the media that the JIm Jone cult leaders gave thier followers kool-aid laced with poison

Angela,
One correction:
Yes, they are both Senators NOW:
Obama- 3 years
Hillary – 7 years;
More than twice of Senator experience..

Bishop
It is meant as a derogatory statement against blacks because they buy it.
They drink it all the time. According to some. They have been using it since the begiining when it first became available because it had vitamin c in it. It was popular in the homes ( white and black ) were buying juice real juice
was something you could not afford.

Since the media will not allow Clinton to ask….where are the records of Obama’s state Senate terms….Does the media really believe the Obama stories of “there were none” and/or “they are lost”.

the truth of the matter is that Hillary saw a story that fit perfectly into her agenda, especially if she altered it a little… but in all honesty what candidate can we trust? Media’s opinion of the president changed when Nixon came around for the second time, but when 9-11 happened, the US fell back in love with their leaders. Unfortunately, the tides are turning once again, truths are being twisted and the political race is dancing around the more specific and important issues we need to be focusing on.

Hilsry did not lie about the story. She got the information from the sheriff deputy. People are trying to find every little bit that they can find wrong with what Clintion did.
Look at the moral of Clintion’s sorty: the health care system is messed up and needs to be fixed. Why are people so against health care? No one will complain when they are going to the emergency room with no money to pay for it.
And “NEWSFLASH”: under Clinton’s plan, your health care pay wwill go accordingly to your income. So, if you make $0.00 guess what? Your health care costs will be $0.00. And if your make a substantial amount of money, it will go according to the money you make. You will not miss the money spent on your coverage when you realize how your debt would build should you not have health care coverage.
Are some people so anti-Hillary that they could care less about their own well-being? I don’t support Obama but I like his ideas for college students. I just have a stronger support for Hillary.
She was not lying so stop making a big deal over this.

I can relate to this as i have a situation simular and cannot get into a clinic to have it taken care of. The public health dept. will not take the necessary tests for my situation, and yet, when i visit my specialists on a workmans comp injury they are absolutely mortified that my public health doctors wont check into the numerous lumps on my thyroid. I owe the clinic 129.00 from a past bill. But…a year and a half ago i paid over 1,600.00 in past medical expenses occured from my children during my claim for disability. I paid those right up front when i was able. They had “forgotten” this one bill, and now that I an on disability and have not the money to pay that 129.00, they refuse me. This is not right. I am a widow, 10 months ago I had 6 sscrews put into my back. Its not like I can work an extra shift to make this money.I have medical coverage through my disability now, so it isnt like i would be incurring any more to this bill. It just isnt right.

Thanks for setting the record and story straight for us Jake! With almost every other word coming out of Hillary’s mouth either being a lie or attack one never knows whats up with her! As usual, a grain of truth can be found in her daily exaggerations! Clearly a desperate woman in a failing campaign who will stop at nothing! Good report!

What I find infuriating about all of this is that ALL of the candidates have lied and overstated events that have occured, but it is the Obama supporters who refuse to believe that he has lied or mis-represented the facts. I mean lets get real, the man lived his life, made many statements regarding his history and much of it was fabricated, or should I say he simply overstated the facts. Did anyone ask him to verify his own story??? You will NEVER get the complete truth from a politician, so get over yourselves and vote for the person that has the best platform. If we waited until we had an Honest Abe again, we would not have a President for many years.

Angela,
Hillary did try to pass Universal Health Care and she did fail. She is however the only one in this country to make a serious attempt. There is no guarantee that things will change with health insurance regardless of who wins the election. I do know that Hillary is a fighter and she will NOT give up. The feeling I have with Obama is that he will roll over when faced with confrontation. As for those who don’t “need” health insurance that argument doesn’t fly. There are those who may claim not to “need” car insurance but for the sake of everyone else they must have it. I don’t want to pay for those who aren’t willing to carry health insurance just as I don’t want to pay for those who won’t carry car insurance.

Thanks for reporting on this and clearing it up in a way that makes sense. I am a physician, and it seemed obvious that what was said by Senator Clinton could not be true, and that what the press reported on after they “investigated” was also not the full or accurate story. This explanation doesn’t make it less tragic, but does let us know that the system works the way it is supposed to at the current time…and by that I just mean to reinforce that it is against federal law for any hospital to deny emergency care to any person at any time. That would have been even more tragic.

Lazy journalism!

This is a tragic story. What surprised me is that Hillary Clinton, who presents herself as one of the leading experts in the US on health care, did not see some of the inconsistencies in this story. Did she not know that it would be illegal for the hospital not to see this patient as reported above. This makes me question not only her truthfulness but her competence as well.

THE FIRST ENTIRE WEEKEND THE STORY BROKE, NOBODY MENTIONED A SHERIFF HAD TOLD HILLARY THE STORY. IT WAS, HILLARY IS ATA IT AGAIN!!!
THE OMISSION WAS DELIBERATE AND JAKE TAPPER KNEW EXACTLY WHAT HE WAS DOING.
PEOPLE WHO ACCUSE HILLARY OF NOT REPORTING THE TRUTH FAIL TO REPORT THE TRUTH THEMSELVES
THAT WAS DELIBERATE,MR JAKE TAPPER. I THINK YOU FEEL WHAT CHRIS MATHEWS FEELS RUNNING UP HIS LEG… SICKENING

People don’t seem to focus on the one true main point, that this woman would be alive if everyone had health care all the time. She wouldn’t have been in debt and would have gotten the care she needed immediately. The details are really pretty darn irrelevant and are just distracting from the real problem. Every American needs good, free health care like most of the civilized countries of the world.

And folks, it is shameful that the entirety of this thread is filled with partisan bickering over candidates. THE STORY IS ABOUT TRINA and TRAY. Have some respect. I don’t care if Clinton says she’s been to Mars.
I care if the memory of Trina Bachtel and Tray Hutton are being ignored so that you can fight over your candidates or your politics.
Have you no shame?

So tragic and pathetic death of a 7 month pregnant pizza shop worker just because of not able to pay only $100 bill or lack of health insurance.Its so inhumanly act.

To the poster who stated: “Everyone in this country should have FREE medical insurance.”
Young lady, there is no such thing as FREE – it always has to be paid for by the taxpayers – the only money the government has is yours and mine and when they haven’t got enough they simply print some more. And they never, ever have enough.
As for the story itself and HRC – before she ever repeated one word of what Holman told her she should have had someone in her campaign fully, and I fully, vet the story. She got it wrong and then repeated the same error. The MSM has attempted to justify the story as “partially” correct – that isn’t going to cut it. The media and the Clinton campaign both lied and now they are attempting to justify their error with the rationale that “at least part of the story is true.”
There appears to be no honest and impartial media in existence in this day and age. And that includes the weather people.