By Saira Anees

Apr 22, 2008 1:55pm

Why Can’t Obama Win Pennsylvania?*

There’s this presumption out there, it seems to me, as if it’s just a CRAZY notion that Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, would be able to win the Keystone State, like the idea is INSANE, just unfathomable, as if the state consists of Bill, Chelsea, and les freres Rodham.

I don’t begrudge the Obama campaign for successfully setting Sen. Clinton’s bar so high — that’s its job — and of course I understand that in order for Clinton to have a real shot, she needs a big W so as to eat away at Obama’s 800,000 popular vote lead, and to make the argument to super-Ds that states such as Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan and Florida are a problem for him.

Fine, fine.

But what’s so crazy about the idea that the Democratic frontrunner — flush with cash and outspending Clinton 3-to-1, running against a candidate with such high unfavorable ratings — should be able to win a blue state primary?

Just because Clinton has the support of the governor and the mayors of the two largest cities? So what? This isn’t about Ed Rendell.

After Obama swept Wisconsin, doing well if not winning in key traditionally Clinton-backing constituencies — labor voters, seniors, white women, Jews — his campaign put forth the notion that he was about to put this thing to bed. But then the dynamics returned to what they had been — seniors, women, whites, and blue-collar voters for her; educated voters, blacks, young voters and men for him.

Why can’t the frontrunner win working class voters?

The Obama campaign may likely spin tonight’s outcome as a W for him as long as she doesn’t win by 25 points. I, for one, ain’t buying it.

- jpt

* If Obama wins Pennsylvania, despite all public polls and predictions by the Clinton and Obama campaigns, I apologize in advance for this posting.

User Comments

She’s got 16 years of history. That he’s closed at all is remarkable. Even Rendell says he can win there in November. Its more important that he win then.
Also, who cares what you think? I know blogs are more personal than other news formats but, here, I gotta say, you’re advance determination that he’s lost and that that someone means he can’t win it when it counts is what has me wondering…about you.

Posted by: Irene | April 22, 2008, 2:06 pm 2:06 pm

bravo jake — this is all Obama spin. First they were saying that Clinton was losing her margin in polls in PA, and that Obama could actually win, and now when they see that he can’t win in PA, they are trying to spin the loss. They keep moving the goal posts. But here is the key: ANY loss by Obama in PA is huge, because he out spent her like 3 to 1, and if he has the unlimited resources, and still can’t close the deal, how in the world can he win the general? The Dems would be committing political suicide by nominating Obama….he can’t win ANY of the major states. Bill was right when he said that if the Dem primary was like the Repub primary, Hillary would be winning by now. And lest you try to argue this point, remember that the general election is more similar to the Repub primary….all or nothing. So, who has the best chance to win the general election, the candidate who won most of the big states, where electoral votes will seal the deal in the general, or the candidate who won most of the caucus states, which is not like the general at all? The question is not how much you like HIllary or Obama, but HOW BAD DO YOU WANT A DEM IN THE WHITE HOUSE? get real people, Obama is a loser, there is no way he can face McCain….NONE.

Posted by: toodles | April 22, 2008, 2:10 pm 2:10 pm

Coz Clinton is a placeholder for McCain in the guntoting rural parts of the state where economic changes have been most destructive and hurtful.
I know coz Zogby said so.

Posted by: Gaias Child | April 22, 2008, 2:10 pm 2:10 pm

Obama supporter,
Jake is telling the truth, Obama campaing is going to spin tonight. If they’re spending 3-1, they don’t win, then Obama will have problem in general election with working class people.

Posted by: kathy | April 22, 2008, 2:18 pm 2:18 pm

He will lose BIG time!
The rants from the BO cult members is way over the top, they KNOW he can’t win and are still trying to pin all the down draft on Hillary.
The worst of it all is the DNC will have lost the WH for backing a loser, an inexperienced newbie Barry who?
I know 24% or more will not back BO in the GE. We are outraged at the treatment of Hillary by the DNC and the media. IT IS NOT HILLARY WHO SHOULD Quit BUT THE DNC, they have caused this chaos! They have beat themselves to DEATH!

Posted by: HP Boston | April 22, 2008, 2:18 pm 2:18 pm

I live in PA. I have no doubt he will wil in the general election but he may have a hard time in the Primary. I am voting for him. He is the better candidate. But a lot of PA is rural. And it seems that those favor Hillary. It may be because she is white. I am not sure. I live in rural Pa and the weeks leading up to this our local paper was filled with editorial comments against Obama which we racist. And that seemed to be the only reason they were against him. I am hoping for an upset.

Posted by: Marie | April 22, 2008, 2:21 pm 2:21 pm

Maybe because Obama and his friends
think 9/11 was a “good” thing?
Vote Hillary 08!!

Posted by: dee | April 22, 2008, 2:25 pm 2:25 pm

Prediction:
Obama’s negatives will prevent
him from winning the nomination
and may put him in jail…

Posted by: tim | April 22, 2008, 2:26 pm 2:26 pm

Maybe Obama’s problem is he
clings to guns and religion
and the antipathy of other people…

Posted by: xxx | April 22, 2008, 2:28 pm 2:28 pm

It’s not, from my understanding, just the governor, etc….it’s the entire Pennsylvania machine that is behind Clinton. And that still makes a major difference.
I’m going out on a limb here, but I would be willing to bet Obama could beat Hillary in Pennsylvania if he had the machine behind him. It’s that important.

Posted by: Elizabeth | April 22, 2008, 2:28 pm 2:28 pm

Thank you, Jake, there are very few voices of reason out there. The press is setting expectations so high for Clinton that she’s likely to come up short no matter what. And meanwhile Obama and his campaign are just spinning away, not explaining why the front runner can’t do better in the polls. If they can’t beat Clinton here, how are they going to beat John McCain?

Posted by: Vnd | April 22, 2008, 2:29 pm 2:29 pm

Maybe throwing the race card at them in SF and tossing them under the bus with Grandma might have something to do with it.
It wasn’t ‘bitter’ that was so offensive, it was the other stuff he said.
He took the coward’s route before he even really started campaigning there.
Geez…McCain went to Selma, Alabama without calling them names before he went. It’s called common sense.
It’s a shame Obama doesn’t believe in himself otherwise he wouldn’t stoop to these type of tactics.
As usual they will blame racists and ignore the fact that Gen Colin Powell could have won America and PA, without a probelm, and he is a Republican.

Posted by: Cali girl | April 22, 2008, 2:29 pm 2:29 pm

new Washington Post/ABC poll shows lots of problems for Clinton. “Democrats by a 2-1 margin, 62-31 percent, now see Obama as better able to win in November — a dramatic turn from February, when Clinton held a scant 5-point edge on this measure, and more so from last fall, when she crushed her opponents on electability. The poll finds other pronounced problems for Clinton. Among all Americans, 58 percent now say she’s not honest and not trustworthy, 16 points higher than in a precampaign poll two years ago. Obama beats her head-to-head on this attribute by a 23-point margin. The number of Americans who see Clinton unfavorably overall has risen to a record high in ABC/Post polling, 54 percent — up 14 points since January.

Posted by: No Spin Allowed | April 22, 2008, 2:32 pm 2:32 pm

Spending 3 to 1 over Hillary in PA and still loosing? Well, Obama better wake up and know Americans are not for sale. No ANTI and HATE AMERICAN should be the leader of this country. He is a snake oil man, preaching HOPE and CHANGE that he can’t even change his anti American spiritual mentor of over 20 years. He didn’t bring HOPE to his own people in Illinois. What a liar! GO HILLARY – THE TRUE AMERICAN ALL THE TIME.

Posted by: tigerjcs | April 22, 2008, 2:33 pm 2:33 pm

Shorter answer: Yes he can win, just maybe not today.

Posted by: Tom J | April 22, 2008, 2:33 pm 2:33 pm

Possibly because the uneducated in PA did well under her husband and because as we all know the ignorant are always more apt to be racist. It truly is that simple and you know it Jack so to come on here and try to get someone other than yourself to say is really immature.
The uneducated are more apt to be racist and not want a black man as President and are willing to vote for the wife of a man they liked…and understood his running around. The ignorant boys club mentality.

Posted by: Brian | April 22, 2008, 2:34 pm 2:34 pm

From MSNBC:
And that’s the amazing thing about Clinton’s candidacy. She may be unable to catch Obama in the pledged-delegate count, and unlikely to match him in the popular vote. She may be running out of ready cash. She may not be able to win the Democratic nomination without tearing the party in two. But despite all that—and despite a steady stream Beltway sniping about her “pesky” persistence—49.7 percent of Democrats who’ve voted so far (and a likely majority in Pennsylvania) find her more presidential, more capable or simply more inspiring than Obama. It’s hard to get a sense of that from reading the papers. But last night at the Palestra, it was abundantly clear. In the end, it’s not just Clinton who won’t go. Here in Pennsylvania–as in New Hampshire, and Ohio, and Texas–it’s her voters who won’t let her.

Posted by: True Truth | April 22, 2008, 2:37 pm 2:37 pm

Do not be fooled by the charisma of this man — he clearly resents America and wants to “change” it in the way “anti-Americans” want it to be shaped.
Obama has no experience, judgment, credibility nor loyalty toward the USA. He is just a cynical, arrogant political opportunist with no wisdom. For months, Barack Hussein Obama has been talking about fundamental “Change.”
Most of us wonder what kind of change he wants? He has not been able to tell us. If we connect the dots — we can get a pretty good idea of the kind of change Obama is talking about: He is being endorsed by anti-Americans and terrorists Ayers, Wright, Farrakhan, Rezko, and many other people who hate America. He is for the black supremacist and far-left anti-American ideology running things.
His ideas of change are a combination of the ultimate liberal wet dream and America’s worst nightmare.
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! HE’S OUTSPENT HILLARY 4 TO 1 AND STILL CAN’T STOP HER! OUR COUNTRY IS NOT FOR SALE! NO BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA!
CLEARLY, HILLARY CLINTON IS THE WISER CHOICE TO REPRESENT DEMOCRATS THIS FALL.

Posted by: proudamerican2008 | April 22, 2008, 2:38 pm 2:38 pm

It is simple. Racist so called Reagan democrats whose ignorance tells then to shun anything associated with a black person. That iswhy . You know, Clintons know it, Obama knows it , the whole of america knows it, but only Gov. Rendell have the courage to say it. I have to respect him fr that.

Posted by: mal | April 22, 2008, 2:39 pm 2:39 pm

I know Jake you are professional in your career. Nevertheless, I wonder why you put this article now while we are waiting for the results.
Anyway, I have read the last paragraph you are apologising for that, but it could have make much sense if you could put your article after knowing the winner with what percentage.

Posted by: Peace | April 22, 2008, 2:47 pm 2:47 pm

Jake:
Win or lose, you should apologize for this blatant pro-Clinton post that is without any merit whatsoever.
I certainly do hope he wins, though, so we can see you eat humble pie. Please do it live on GMA!
Obama 2008 — Yes, WE CAN!!!

Posted by: Jackt51 -- Vietnam Vet and Proud Liberal | April 22, 2008, 2:47 pm 2:47 pm

Fair point. Do take note that Obama can close out Clinton by going negative. But doing so is like burning the village to save it. He’s going to need the Clinton Women supporters (biggest Dem voting bloc) come the general election. So knowing that Clinton has no chance of passing him why should he hurt his odds in November? She can have her symbolic victory in a battle where the war is lost.

Posted by: Jake | April 22, 2008, 2:50 pm 2:50 pm

Jackt51 – A whiner just like Obama I see…
It’s a blog, not the news. A guy’s opinion, not dogma.

Posted by: highly capable women | April 22, 2008, 2:51 pm 2:51 pm

Brian,
If America is so racist and doesn’t want a black man to win?
Then why did America beg Gen Colin Powell to run several times, even as a Republican?
Why does Obama have to lie to his supporters about that fact….insulting both Gen Powell and America?
And how exactly does he expect to get votes by insulting people?

Posted by: Cali girl | April 22, 2008, 2:51 pm 2:51 pm

This morning on GMA, he told Robin Robert, he can not fix the gas prices but just put more money on it.
Where the money come from?
He has to wait to withdraw the troops within 16 months or even longer.
I doubt he can keep all his promises after he becomes president.

Posted by: crisis08 | April 22, 2008, 2:51 pm 2:51 pm

Could it be that the Pennsylvanians and working class voters are actually the rational voters this time? Working class voters are not voting for about as part of some cultural mandate to unite the country or to finally elect a “black man,” or someone who crosses the “racial divide.” They are simply electing Clinton on a record, experience and passion for their issues. When it comes down it, the bread and butter issues do work for working classes voters because they are living their lives on an individual plane. Not to make a generalization but Obama’s supporters to a certain extent are this year’s value voters like those who supported Bush in the last 2 years. Rational working class voters may also realize that there is no evidence of better judgment or experience on policy issues on Obama’s part. It’s understandable how these voters may consider voting for McCain because all they may disagree with him he does have a wealth of experience, expertise and evidence of good judgment while being a Senator despite his many failings.

Posted by: Cord | April 22, 2008, 2:51 pm 2:51 pm

Please stop leaving Florida and Michigan’s popular vote out of your equation. We are still part of this country and if the DNC does not look up soon, we will be out of the Democratic equation altogether. Obama is not ahead 800,000 popular votes. Maybe 130,000 max. Too close to be calling it a solid lead. PA will change all of that.

Posted by: dgh | April 22, 2008, 2:52 pm 2:52 pm

No Democrat can win in PA when almost the entire Democratic establishment is supporting the opponent (the same is not true for many other states). This is not reflective of the general election.

Posted by: Direwolfc | April 22, 2008, 2:53 pm 2:53 pm

it all those typical white people who are clinging to guns and religion. Also who has antipathy for anyone who doesnt look like them, anti- immigration also.

Posted by: toby | April 22, 2008, 2:58 pm 2:58 pm

It Has always been about Race for Obama.
Obama lives by his race and religion.
It is the main part of his personality.
Read his books if you need clarification of that.
If you look at his platform is it reflects his religion and race. The main things he beleives in is social programs. If you compare that to his religion and their aspirations toward race, and his own books they become clearer to see.
Sure he says a lot of stuff, He also has lied a lot of times. Even on his family and best friends.
When a grown man can call his own grandmother a “typical white woman.”
Shows an extreme lack of honor and respect he has for himself or his grandmother, and woman. Plus shows you his racial Discrimination.
When he flipped Hillary off in his speech, then snickered about it. Showed his lack and honor and respect for himself and her and woman.
He called Americans Racist, when they got upset with someone God Damning America. Showed he is not patriotic, and lack of respect for his country and for Americans. That he does not know the difference between Patriotism and racism.
When he has lied to the American people on the news, straight faces and blatantly. Came back with out remorse, just acted like it was nothing.
He runs around complaining That everything wrong is the governments, just like his church does. Showed he thinks more of his church teachings than of his country.
If you look at him and see he reflects his church teachings in almost all of his platforms, policies and what he says. They hold their religion and their race above everything else and so does he. Evident in what he says and does and what he fails to do.
It is plain to see why he refuses to show any outward sign of Patriotism, or any customary signs of patriotism.
He has campaigned in so many of the churches thought this country. In disregard to the Government non-profit laws.
Many are taken in by the used salesman High Pressure Pitch, speeches. The Hollywood style hype. His made up stories so he could some how make it looks like he relates to you on a personal level. To Fatten you up for the Taking. Feeding you the Pipe dream and giving you false hopes.
The only way he can give you everything he promised and you want. Is to take absolutely everything away from everyone and start over. If he does that, he ain’t giving anything back, you know that right?
If it sounds to good to be true, It is to good to be true, You can be absolutely sure of that.
So Open your minds back up, and look at the whole picture.
I am a white woman, I am not a Typical. I am a realist not a racist.

Posted by: seah | April 22, 2008, 2:59 pm 2:59 pm

This is sort of silly, isn’t it? Just reverse it, for Iowa. Why did Hillary come in 3rd? There are only going to be certain states where the race would be “equal” enough in each candidates’ stregths and weaknesses to be like that. I think a better question is “Just because Hillary wins Penn, does this mean she can win in Nov?” or “What is Hillary’s path to the nomination?”

Posted by: Jeremy | April 22, 2008, 3:00 pm 3:00 pm

Mr. Obama may receive more than 90% of the AA vote. That should be enough to keep him within single digits of Mrs. Clinton in PA.

Posted by: texasdemocrat | April 22, 2008, 3:03 pm 3:03 pm

Jake, you know something the rest of us do not know. Hill the Bosnian General will kill you if this hope became real. This article is very interesting and a good reflection: something is in the making. God bless America and God bless Obama.OBAMA08.

Posted by: BKMC | April 22, 2008, 3:04 pm 3:04 pm

I think Brian sums it up best below. This is why Obama won’t win, because Obama thinks just like Brian (elitist snobs unite!). Brian says Clinton will win:
“Possibly because the uneducated in PA did well under her husband and because as we all know the ignorant are always more apt to be racist. It truly is that simple and you know it Jack so to come on here and try to get someone other than yourself to say is really immature.
The uneducated are more apt to be racist and not want a black man as President and are willing to vote for the wife of a man they liked…and understood his running around. The ignorant boys club mentality”
If you’re smart like Brian, you vote for Obama! Personally, I’ll take the Ignorant Boys Club any day…

Posted by: Vnd | April 22, 2008, 3:05 pm 3:05 pm

For months on-the-ground Democrats have been worrying how our down-ticket candidates are going to have to run in November on this platform of: “I’m for Obama and you’re a racist.” So far, a bunch of “Super Delegates” have turned a blind eye to the obvious — the backlash Obama and his supporters have created is killing the other Democratic candidates — white, black, and brown.
Please, Pennsylvania, put this divisive demagogue out of the race. And, Super Delegates: WAKE UP!!!

Posted by: mlwheeler | April 22, 2008, 3:06 pm 3:06 pm

Working white voters are not educated…Obama wins decisively with those who have a college education and are able to locate Iraq on a world map.
Unfortunately, these voters, especially white working class males, have never been won by a democratic nominee for decades. They respond to the tough talking, fear tactics of the Republicans. And, yes, there are a percentage who are racist and will refuse to vote for a black person.
Given all of your experience and education, I am quite certain that you know the answer to your own question…I guess you’re bored and want to see how much controversy you can stir up.
BTW, trust me, if Hillary’s campaign wasn’t $10,000,000 in debt, she would be spending the same, if not more. Actually given the fact that she has family ties in PA, she has campaigned there with her husband for the last 15 years, and it is the 3rd oldest state, it’s amazing that Obama has cut into her initial 25 point lead at all.
OBAMA/WEBB ’08 & ’12

Posted by: Roxanne | April 22, 2008, 3:06 pm 3:06 pm

obamaites if he cant close after having outspent her 3to1 ,having most of the media on his side and spending a huge amount of time as well as the money in the state ,and you are all crying racisim what pray tell are you going to say when macain beats him in novemeber badly.

Posted by: don tufts | April 22, 2008, 3:07 pm 3:07 pm

I think Michigan and Florida should throw the kitchen sink at Howard Dean and the rest of DNC snobs. Why can’t there golden Obama win PA with 6 weeks, 10 million in ads, and the media doing his dirty work for him?? Anyone?

Posted by: Jim | April 22, 2008, 3:11 pm 3:11 pm

bottom line is his race (black and white because that IS what his race is) only matters in a positive way.
Anyone who tries to spin it in any other direction is being ridiculous…
So is Hillary where she is because white women over the age of 50 vote for her in a major way?
I bet there are almost as many men that won’t vote for her because she is who she is…
and the same (maybe even more so goes for Obama)
white women over 50 that vote probably come close in numbers to that of the African American population that vote…why do we bring this into the discussion…
people subliminally gravitate to people who look like them (it’s been studied…have you ever walked into a room as a white person and seen one other white person in the room… who do you think chances are greatest you are going to end up talking to)
That is why it is great when someone overcomes that (hello iowa)
This is all a distraction. Focus on the person who is best suited for the job right now in our history.
Yes unequivocally that is Obama. Hillary doesn’t bridge divides
Hilary doesn’t change the system
Hilary hasn’t had the judgement on the big issues unless they were polling in her favor.
Healthcare bills that failed miserably and now doesn’t learn that we need to start smaller and focus on cost in this divided congress and financially stressed national economy.
and Hillary gaffs (and I am hoping that is what the Iran nuclear threat statements are) are in huge directions and topics that will hurt us as a nation because they aren’t that of someone who understands what got us here.

Posted by: dl | April 22, 2008, 3:12 pm 3:12 pm

Obama supporters just want to SPIN.
Obama won a LOT of red states. This is a credit to him, but in all fairness does NOTHING for him in the general election.
The fact that he has huge problems in major democratic states, espeically the swing states, DEVASTATES his chances in the general election.
While Obama supporters stamp up and down that its about DELEGATES , it isnt about delegates anymore.
Its about delegates IF he can get 2024 delegates. He CANT.
So its about an AGRUMENT to superdelegates.
That changes the whole thing.

Posted by: tomdavie | April 22, 2008, 3:13 pm 3:13 pm

Senator Obama’s whole campaign has been “spin” and showmanship. There is no real reality behind his words. Look at just how well he improved his own district in South Chicago. Fewer jobs, more crimes,delapidated buildings falling down—-certainly not a good place to live. Even he and his family moved.
How can any rational voter support his campaign, I don’t understand. He has too many ties to questionable people and now refuses to answer questions by reporters. He is hiding the truths, but keeps giving his supporters more tainted Koolaid.

Posted by: OK Senior | April 22, 2008, 3:14 pm 3:14 pm

“Unfortunately, these voters, especially white working class males, have never been won by a democratic nominee for decades. They respond to the tough talking, fear tactics of the Republicans.”
Excuse me: They were won by Bill Clinton in 96, and heavily contested by Al Gore in 2000. Besides, Obama’s also runs in trouble with working class women, older voters and Hispanics.

Posted by: P. | April 22, 2008, 3:15 pm 3:15 pm

“Obama doesn’t have a winning coalition”
That’s basically IT.

Posted by: P. | April 22, 2008, 3:15 pm 3:15 pm

Get real Young kids
Obama wins most of the college kids – most of the college kids do not have wife & kids. They are not worried about paying health insurance, paying the bills and saving money for retirement. They are so addicted with internet. They think choosing president of America is fun.

Posted by: Tony | April 22, 2008, 3:16 pm 3:16 pm

I do not know from where people are saying educated people vote for Obama… I am a Phd in Math and I will not vote for him.
I do not know him enough to trust him.
This job is no college president job.
I voted for Hillary today.

Posted by: Dan | April 22, 2008, 3:16 pm 3:16 pm

Roxanne…I am white working class and I consider myself to be well educated.I have enough education to make the decision that I don’t what Obama as my president.

Posted by: Jim | April 22, 2008, 3:17 pm 3:17 pm

DNC,the media and the Obama campaign have put together a perfect recipie for disaster in the general election.They will taste it in a few months.Alienating half the democratic base and disenfranchising two important states is sure not a winning strategy for a snobbish leftist liberal.

Posted by: vik | April 22, 2008, 3:18 pm 3:18 pm

democratic Party can make a history by nominating a person with out winning PA/OH/NJ/NY/TX/CA.
Get real super delegates.

Posted by: tony | April 22, 2008, 3:19 pm 3:19 pm

If Pennsylvania is such a blue state, Obama will have no trouble winning it in November.

Posted by: Haldan | April 22, 2008, 3:20 pm 3:20 pm

Jake
I think him not winning is because all the Bitter people that cling to there guns and go to church that he considers racist don’t like him!
Or maybe its the typical white people that run to the other side of the street when they see a Black person like his Grandmother (even thou it was an aggressive panhandler) and Jesse Jackson
Or maybe PA is at a time when everybody is seeing him for what he is – An Elitist Liar Socialist Hate America Fraud!!

Posted by: spock | April 22, 2008, 3:22 pm 3:22 pm

To Roxanne who said, “Working white voters are not educated…Obama wins decisively with those who have a college education and are able to locate Iraq on a world map.”
Obama already said this in private at the San Francisco fundraiser, but thank you for clearly stating WHY OBAMA CANNOT WIN THE GENERAL ELECTION! Andrea Mitchell was accusingly asking Hillary spokesman Geoff Garin today, “why would you put Osama bin Laden in an ad”? Good Grief! Which is it – issues or non-issues that Obama wants to talk about? The Liberal Left Media, and especially MSNBC, have done everything in their power to drive Hillary and Bill’s negatives up and give this race to Obama! The only states Obama is winning are the Republican caucus states and a couple of others. When it comes to Big States where the democratic votes are, Hillary is winning. Do the electoral colleg analysis. Hillary would be winning if the democratic party did not have an affirmative action plan primary system. The DNC should go back to all or nothing wins, COUNT MI and FL votes, and stop saying the primary can go to the end, if Hillary insists, but Obama will still be the nominee!! If Obama loses PA today, HE LOSES PA!! Why do these pundits decide the fate of our country by telling Americans how many points Hillary has to “win by” for it to count? To all the TV pundits, shove it….

Posted by: rs | April 22, 2008, 3:23 pm 3:23 pm

To be fair here Obama has won very few Blue States, he won in states that no Dem will ever win. This does not mean he did not win any Blue states I think he won one or two!
Please Save us from Socialism and vote for McCain!!

Posted by: spock | April 22, 2008, 3:24 pm 3:24 pm

He can’t win because he is an empty suit and real people see that. He has nothing that is his. He gives a good speech that others have written. He is not ready to lead this country because he does not know enough about enough and people sure enough see and hear that. We see it even as we cling to our guns and religion and fight the bitterness hurled at us daily through the misogynist male media. We are more than half of the Democratic party and we work day in and day out and we see the talking heads in Congress attempt to skew this election and we vote to stop them by voting for HIllary. Some of us vote early, just so we can work the poll on primary day. Clinton/Edwards 08 a winning combination.

Posted by: AmazonTraveler | April 22, 2008, 3:25 pm 3:25 pm

No apologies needed.
Obama will not win Penn. all the major blue states he has lost except for Illinois. What does that tell you about the GE. If obama is the nominee the map of USA will look like after Reagan’s 2nd election. 1 state blue all the rest red.

Posted by: toby | April 22, 2008, 3:26 pm 3:26 pm

Doug – they are both the same, but keep in mind Ayers attending an event is different then meeting with Obama prior to his run for office to talk strategy!!
This meand Ayers is an Advisor to Obama, maybe not an up front but still an advisor.
See Obama consulted both his Mentor and William Ayers and Rezko plus a bunch of other elitist for strategies running for office!

Posted by: spock | April 22, 2008, 3:28 pm 3:28 pm

toby – Whats wrong with that?

Posted by: spock | April 22, 2008, 3:28 pm 3:28 pm

toby….Bravo!!..your on target with that prediction..Someone give this man a waffle!!

Posted by: Jim | April 22, 2008, 3:28 pm 3:28 pm

She is going to triumph today! I anticipate a lead in high double digits. And the same will hold in each state yet to primary. And she will handily beat McCain in November.
Clinton/Edwards 2008!!!!

Posted by: Chach | April 22, 2008, 3:29 pm 3:29 pm

Whats wrong with that?
That means for the next 4 years we will have to get use to saying President McCain.

Posted by: toby | April 22, 2008, 3:30 pm 3:30 pm

White women and old white folks! That’s why he’s not going to win the primary. That’s her most loyal base, and they will continue to vote for her as long as she’s in the race.
And you would you please stop grouping all races into ‘working class voters’. The majority of black voters are technically ‘working class’, and they are voting for Obama. Stop trying to avoid the topic of race and be specific. It’s WHITE working class voters you’re talking about.

Posted by: Dawn | April 22, 2008, 3:31 pm 3:31 pm

ABC news reports the difference in pop vote is 105,000, not 800,000 Jake since they are going by the certified results by the Secretaries of State.
There is no 800,000 pop vote difference. This is a figment of the obama’s camp imagination.
Votes are votes and the S of S for each state decide that.

Posted by: s.b. | April 22, 2008, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm

There’s a number of reasons. First, Pennsylvania isn’t really a “blue state” but rather two blue cities and a red state in between. That means the support/endorsement of those two mayors and Rendell is much bigger than it might be in a state like New Jersey where the two largest cities aren’t so crucial.
Second, this is pennsylvania where endorsements and establishment cred means a lot more than in other areas. Running as a non-establishment candidate is a huge disadvantage in PA.
And now, I’m off to vote Obama for change!

Posted by: rory | April 22, 2008, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm

It is astounding how the media can pretend to be stumped over why Obama isn’t winning over the white working-class electorate in Pennsylvania. It’s quite simple: These are people who won’t EVER vote for a black presidential candidate, NO how much money he’s spent. And if any of you want to say I’m playing the race card, then SO WHAT!
And it’s sickening to witness the double standard in the media regarding Obama’s wins in states with heavy black turnout. But it’s a bad reflection on him when whites turn out in the same fashion for Clinton, especially in Pa., where the governor said his voters would not vote for a black candidate? Please!!!
And one last thought: Isn’t the author of this blog an employee of the same network that’s responsible for last week’s very biased debate? Enough said.

Posted by: RealinVA | April 22, 2008, 3:36 pm 3:36 pm

Doug
bigger state is defined not by the size, but by the population. they do not have enough delegates count needed to win in November. may be i can pay the bills to send you to school

Posted by: tony | April 22, 2008, 3:36 pm 3:36 pm

And don’t you all forget, people fall in and out of love… Obamas’ supporters euphoria will end once they learn more about him. Clintons’ supporters on the other hand, have grown to love her over a long period of time, not fallen in love with her, grown to love her. No one can go against that! They will continue to love her once this is all over and long after the rose has gone out of the Obama bling. Another amazing thing is this: her enemies respect her, they hate her, but they respect her. The fact that Obama is being handled with kids gloves simply tells us that he can not handle tough. The media in the end will have no respect for such a wuss! he’s got them in his corner, he’s got enough money to outspend her everywhere by 4-1 and he still can not pull is off. He’s cancelling debates left and right because he is afraid of getting asked tough questions. How can you continue to support such a wimp?

Posted by: Clinton | April 22, 2008, 3:39 pm 3:39 pm

tomdavies:
If it’s all about superdelegates, it’s still an Obama win!
Obama 65- Clinton 5 or something like that since super Tuesday. Obama +5 just in the last two weeks.
Even a big PA win will not start a “rush” of Supers to Clinton. However, a small PA win or loss for Clinton could start that “rush” to Obama — if not now, then in two weeks after a small IN win or loss and a BIG NC Win for Obama!
Obama 2008 — Yes, WE CAN!!!

Posted by: Jackt51 -- Vietnam Vet and Proud Liberal | April 22, 2008, 3:41 pm 3:41 pm

It’s straight forward. The voters see the true Obama, and they don’t like it.
The “BitterGate” killed Obama’s chance in PA.

Posted by: JoeSky | April 22, 2008, 3:42 pm 3:42 pm

Obama didn’t want to play Election Day cash for the workers in PA.
He was too busy buying off the Superdelegates with his cash, instead of wasting it on the machine to help him.
As of the last report I read, Obama had spent 3 times as much money buying Superdelegates as Hillary.
Yup….not only do their votes count more than us….they can get paid for them!
Bet most of you didn’t know that while cheering the Superdelegate count.

Posted by: Cali girl | April 22, 2008, 3:45 pm 3:45 pm

“The fact that Obama is being handled with kids gloves simply tells us that he can not handle tough. The media in the end will have no respect for such a wuss! he’s got them in his corner, he’s got enough money to outspend her everywhere by 4-1 and he still can not pull is off. He’s cancelling debates left and right because he is afraid of getting asked tough questions. How can you continue to support such a wimp?”
The only thing the tender candidate really has going for him at this point — other than the white-liberal guilt of the talking heads — is that he’s not female.

Posted by: Belle Starr | April 22, 2008, 3:49 pm 3:49 pm

Doug,
Even the 9/11 Commission stated that Bush had more opportunities lost to stop the plan in 9 months, than Clinton did in 8 years.
Everytime Clinton tried to deal with al Qaeda, the Republicans accused him of Wagging the Dog.
Nevermind the fact, he caught the people who attacked us on his watch and it didn’t bankrupt the country either.

Posted by: Cali girl | April 22, 2008, 3:52 pm 3:52 pm

Obama can’t win the big states because he’s weak. The media, pundits and core supporters have portrayed him to be something he’s not…He has all the money, fans and base to win; but he won’t because he can’t!

Posted by: Cd | April 22, 2008, 3:54 pm 3:54 pm

Obama refusing to pay poor polling workers in PA to help.
But decides to buy off Superdelegates instead….is the epitome of elitist.

Posted by: Cali girl | April 22, 2008, 3:55 pm 3:55 pm

Senator Obama is leaving the state…must tell you something. “Barack Obama said she would probably win but he hoped to keep it close in Tuesday’s voting.” Way to go Senator…motivate your supporters to go out for you. Despite being outspent…3/1 or more…Senator Clinton will win in PA. A win is a win is a win. Obama can spin it from here to forever…he can’t win the big states. He can’t be elected President.

Posted by: Kathy Corey | April 22, 2008, 3:59 pm 3:59 pm

Psst…Doug those were copies of documents not the originals.
How can you destroy files if there are copies all over DC AND they aren’t even the originals?
LOL

Posted by: Cali girl | April 22, 2008, 4:06 pm 4:06 pm

@Brian and Doug:
Education didn’t educate you.
Advantages didn’t advantage you.
Anonymity insulates you but it won’t turn the rest of us against a candidate as fine and ready as Hillary Clinton.
YOU are why the tide is turning against Obama.
Whatever you may think of those who did not have your advantages, they can see straight through you. They know you for what you are.
You are thugs.
You beat up your opponents, you try to intimidate the elderly, you claim to know more about people’s personal lives than they do, and as you hold public figures up for scorn, you refuse to recognize that this is a country that was founded on the notion of pushing back against the bullies like yourselves. We claim that heritage with pride.
God willing, we always will.
Say NO To Thugs.

Posted by: len | April 22, 2008, 4:07 pm 4:07 pm

This Dems nomination fight is simply a fight all about Clintons, the fight between anti-clintons and pro-clintons…
People know Obama is just a typical black politican who is dreaming of being a president some day…
he is just a Puppet used by anti-clintons in this fight…
That is just simply true….

Posted by: True Truth | April 22, 2008, 4:09 pm 4:09 pm

For those that say that Obama has all the college kids and that all the college kids think that voting for the next American President is fun, realize that colleges enroll younger AND older alike. There are 30+ year old persons attending college. So they are very much educated in knowing who they do and do not want as a president.
…and also…let’s not make this into an all out RACE war between candidates. Let’s focus on who we feel is the BEST candidate…and in my OPINION Obama definitely has my vote!!

Posted by: Sharene | April 22, 2008, 4:09 pm 4:09 pm

Because the Justice Dept, under Dubya investigated, and discovered the obvious, it wasn’t intended to suppress evidence.
If he stole and distroyed all the copies and the originals the would have faced a stiffer penalty.

Posted by: Cali girl | April 22, 2008, 4:11 pm 4:11 pm

Obama admitted himself that McCain is better than Bush…
So question to Obama, why will people not vote for McCain other than you since you are still a big unknown and in-experienced to Americans?
Can Americans afford to gamble another 4 years??

Posted by: True Truth | April 22, 2008, 4:12 pm 4:12 pm

“some segments of America simply are too suspicious of a black man to ever vote for one.”
There are MANY reasons that ANYbody — including un-rich voters of color — would do well to be suspicious of this PARTICULAR “black man”.
One’s his unearned and misrepresented “anti-war”-candidate status.
Remember that Obama started out saying he voted against the Iraq adventure, but in fact wasn’t even IN the U.S. Senate at the time. Since Obama has actually BEEN a Senator, he’s voted just as Clinton has, EXCEPT that Obama — the supposed anti-war candidate — chose not to vote on the Feingold-Reid Amendment to the 2008 Department of Defense Appropriations Act, requiring withdrawal of all combat troops from Iraq by June 30, 2008.

Posted by: Belle Starr | April 22, 2008, 4:12 pm 4:12 pm

For anyone who did read Bible, the Fellowship or the Family are the most common words to describe Christians…

Posted by: True Truth | April 22, 2008, 4:13 pm 4:13 pm

For anyone who didn’t read Bible, the Fellowship or the Family are the most common words to describe Christians…

Posted by: True Truth | April 22, 2008, 4:14 pm 4:14 pm

Why is it that every state Obama looks like he is not going to win race becomes a issue?
I keep saying if Obama was white he would of been out of this race long ago and half of the blacks that are coming out to vote would not of been giving a hoot who ran this country, just as they have done in many elections gone.
That really leaves one to ask the question are they really voting on issue or are they just putting their support with Obama because he is black and they feel its time for a black president regardless of if he can do the job or not ?

Posted by: SJ | April 22, 2008, 4:21 pm 4:21 pm

Anybody from PA here?
I wonder how it’s going for Hill.

Posted by: magda | April 22, 2008, 4:25 pm 4:25 pm

Now the talk is Hillary needs to win by this margin or she should drop out. Do they ever give this woman a chance?
They will never ask why Obama cant close her down, why he cant win the big states, why he can reach the numbers needed, nothing.
It is always Hillary needs this and that or else it’s over, and yet she stands up faces all of them, do all her debates and interviews and keeps going, never once has she said leave me alone, let me eat.
They don’t admire that I really wonder what kind of president do they feel America needs? I guess wimp is a new flavor of the month.

Posted by: SJ | April 22, 2008, 4:28 pm 4:28 pm

@crisis08: Yes I know I have been subject to that quiet often, I don’t write slander I ask questions but trust me don’t mention his middle name, his roots, or anything that questions his association because out it goes .

Posted by: SJ | April 22, 2008, 4:32 pm 4:32 pm

Votes are not in yet…Don’t put cart before the horse…..

Posted by: h | April 22, 2008, 4:34 pm 4:34 pm

Doug for you sake I hope she beats him by 15% lol then you can find something else to speak about

Posted by: SJ | April 22, 2008, 4:35 pm 4:35 pm

SJ,
I even hope she can beat him by 20%.
Just pray for it.

Posted by: crisis08 | April 22, 2008, 4:40 pm 4:40 pm

Talking about selfishness?
what about FL & MI voters?

Posted by: crisis08 | April 22, 2008, 4:42 pm 4:42 pm

Doug,
Are you the Obama supporter that slashed someones tires and threw rocks in someones window because they support Hillary? This is what I’m talking about Obama supporters are sick. It’s not Hillary that is playing the divider, its the Obama camp. No matter how bad to talk about Hillary, you are worse. Get your facts straight and have a real educated debate about the issues.

Posted by: Lois, California | April 22, 2008, 4:46 pm 4:46 pm

Because Obama announced he was running for president after only one year in the senate. Clinton waited seven years before she announced. It’s about experience.

Posted by: Ken FL | April 22, 2008, 4:48 pm 4:48 pm

The reason Obama can’t win in Pennsylvania is that it is a racist state. Governor Rendell said it himself, “Pennsylvanian’s are not ready to elect a black man for President.” So, unless Obama can change his skin color Pennsylvania is going to vote for Clinton – the reasons are ugly – just like this race.

Posted by: Kate1349 | April 22, 2008, 4:49 pm 4:49 pm

Leaving out FL. and Mi. is the only way Obama can win.

Posted by: Bishop | April 22, 2008, 4:50 pm 4:50 pm

If obama had waited eight more years the population would have been the right age. He is out ahead of his time by about eight years thier are to many older baby boomers that are just not ready.more so in the GE. IMO even if he gets the nom, it is going to be a battle.

Posted by: Bishop | April 22, 2008, 4:58 pm 4:58 pm

You don’t buy the Obama spin that he couldn’t have been expected to win Pennsylvania. Fair enough.
Did you buy the Clinton spin that she couldn’t be expected to win Iowa? Or Maryland? Or Wisconsin?
Will you buy the Clinton spin that she can’t be expected to win North Carolina?

Posted by: LESD | April 22, 2008, 5:00 pm 5:00 pm

“Why can’t the frontrunner win working class voters?”
Possibly because “working class voters” are at jobs which don’t allow for watching enough of Obama’s $10 million dollars worth of television ads to become brainwashed?

Posted by: Belle Starr | April 22, 2008, 5:03 pm 5:03 pm

When was Hillary the supposed frontrunner??? How about for the year that ended the night of the Iowa caucuses?
I get that you have resentments against the boys, but Senator Clinton was treated as the frontrunner from Day One in this race…until Obama proved he could go toe to toe with her.

Posted by: LESD | April 22, 2008, 5:03 pm 5:03 pm

Calli
Well said go Hillary

Posted by: Bishop | April 22, 2008, 5:04 pm 5:04 pm

@ P 3:15pm
=======================================
Please do your research…Dole won the white male vote in ’96! (46% – 43%)
OBAMA/WEBB ’08 & ’12

Posted by: Roxanne | April 22, 2008, 5:06 pm 5:06 pm

the nomination process is about getting delegates and trying to reach 2025 before the other person gets there–you are an idiot!!!! abc news is biased toward clinton why don’t you report the news!!! even if clinton wins by 15% she will only get a net of 15 delagates–that is why his lead in delegates is so important–bush sr. beat reagan in pa and reagan won the election–this is a 50 state plus guam and pr nominating process pennsyvania is just one more state–by june obama will only need 60-70 superdelegates to get to 2025—again abc news sucks!!!

Posted by: william | April 22, 2008, 5:08 pm 5:08 pm

as a black supporter of sen. clinton
obama disinfranchised the black people when they started voting for him without trying to find out who he is,
what he is about, and what he would do
as president.
and doug,
why don’t you stop putting your family and the people you came from to shame.
your deceased ancestors are looking down on you crying their souls out bacause of what you have written here,
stop disgracing the family you came from
someone you know or are related to expects better of you.
and since none of us know you,
or will know you, stop disgracing your self before the cosmos

Posted by: jgaw | April 22, 2008, 5:08 pm 5:08 pm

TO PEOPLE LIKE Roxanne who said “Working white voters are not educated…Obama wins decisively with those who have a college education and are able to locate Iraq on a world map.”– comments like these are what we ignorant Post graduate Hillary supporters deem as elitist comments!! Somehow there is sentiment that because Obama made only 4.2 mill last year or had a single parent — his thoughts cant be elitist!!!! U obmabots know that no one said he was elitist — only his comments were

Posted by: satish raman | April 22, 2008, 5:13 pm 5:13 pm

“Because of the immediacy all these problems, working class people are less susceptible to Obama’s soaring rhetoric, and aspirations of achieving post-partisan, post-racial solidarity.”
… especially when the soaring rhetoric’s coming from a hothouse electioneer who can’t maintain solidarity with his own grandmother …

Posted by: Belle Starr | April 22, 2008, 5:14 pm 5:14 pm

Obama won’t win in PA. If he is the Democratic nominee, he won’t win the general election either.
The reason–the Obamas and the company they keep seem to have a deep-seated grievance with America, despite their own opportunities and successes.
One can quibble about lapel pins,about America’s broken souls and antipathy toward others, about not being proud, about Wright and Ayers, but each of these points and many others fit into a larger narrative. Think about America’s reaction to Michael Moore and you will have a sense of what I am trying to say.
Like Moore, the Obamas are far-left, intellectual elites– projecting arrogant superiority and contempt for the very Americans whose support they seek.
It has taken America a while to understand Obama, but we are getting there…

Posted by: NJH | April 22, 2008, 5:17 pm 5:17 pm

Frankly I’m sick of hearing threats of riots if Obama isn’t handed the nomination. Had the media done it’s job instead of swooning like teenage girls, he would have been fully vetted and knocked out of the competition early on. America will never elect this man. You can count on it. So you’d better decide now if you’d rather have Clinton or McCain in the White House, because those are your only two choices.

Posted by: HoosierSue | April 22, 2008, 5:19 pm 5:19 pm

Oh please no one is going to riot if Obama doesn’t win. Doug you need to stop saying that.

Posted by: lisa | April 22, 2008, 5:22 pm 5:22 pm

“if they did start a riot, this would be right in line with obama leftist views”
By the time summer rolls around, most poor people, especially in the food-less cities, will have PLENTY to riot about.
Obama, in any case, only has “leftist views” when he’s talking to the (white) overseers of the “left” — for general consumption, he’s out there with Bush and Rice, dissing Jimmy Carter for meeting with Hamas (which ENDORSED Obama).

Posted by: Belle Starr | April 22, 2008, 5:23 pm 5:23 pm

“Had the media done it’s job instead of swooning like teenage girls, he would have been fully vetted and knocked out of the competition early on.”
And John Edwards would be the nominee. There’s still time — and plenty of reasons, including a depression worsening for those outside the upper classes — to nominate Edwards.

Posted by: Belle Starr | April 22, 2008, 5:27 pm 5:27 pm

She was way way way ahead in polls (Feb 25th she was up by 20 points!), her grandfather is buried in the state and it’s a conservative (not in the political sense, in the living sense) state. Yeah Obama out spent her – he has more supporters – but very few knew who he was until March in Penn. So give the fella a break.
How does this reporter have a job?
Wow.
Obama 08!

Posted by: david | April 22, 2008, 5:44 pm 5:44 pm

Indeed. Hillary Clinton’s familial and personal ties to Pennsylvania are actually more substantial than Obama’s ties to Kansas, which he’s never personally lived in… whereas Hillary spent her summers in Pennsylvania, and had the same kind of family ties from there.

Posted by: Mark Kraft | April 22, 2008, 5:48 pm 5:48 pm

“can i just eat my waffles”
Obama jettisoned the waffles gambit today, and went back to dissing Jimmy Carter — the rural white guy who DID win a Nobel Peace Prize — for meeting with Hamas. (Apparently the tender candidate judges that most of today’s non-”left” voters aren’t aware that Hamas ENDORSED Obama).

Posted by: Belle Starr | April 22, 2008, 6:09 pm 6:09 pm

Thank god there are journalist out there that aren’t drinking the Obama kool aid.

Posted by: Harley. | April 22, 2008, 6:21 pm 6:21 pm

@Satish….
If you people would educate yourself and stop listening to the soundbites that the media avails, you would realize that Obama’s comments, albeit mangled, were not elitist whatsoever! A supporter asked Obama whether or not he thought that white people weren’t voting for him was simply because of his ethnicity. Obama took the high road and told them the same thing that he told Charlie Rose in 2004. The working white voter is tired of being lied to by the government and are bitter that they’re losing their jobs to immigrants or overseas. If the word cling would have been substitued with turn to and bitter would have been substituted with frustrated, this would be a non-issue.
BTW, if you don’t think that the working class of Americans have received a great education, then why are we near the bottom compared to other countries. A fact is a fact and I dare you to conduct your own survey regarding the location of Iraq or even basic U.S. policy…trust me, it’s frightening. Well-informed voters (not elitist voters because I know some people who are self-taught and didn’t graduate from high school)should be the ones that will write our history.
Unfortunately, people will vote because someone shoots whiskey, went duck hunting or plans to obliterate Iran. It’s really sad when you think about it!
OBAMA/WEBB ’08 & ’12

Posted by: Roxanne | April 22, 2008, 6:29 pm 6:29 pm

“trust me, it’s frightening.”
What’s frightening is that the media and the Democratic “leadership” tapped a good-looking opportunist with a record that’s long on corporate privilege, and who has a talent for stammering out both sides of his mouth on any subject, as a possible Democratic Party nominee.
What’s frightening is that Obama thinks it’s fine — on a day when he’s seeking votes from crossover Republicans — to diss Jimmy Carter for meeting with ANYbody Carter WANTS to meet with. Especially because Hamas endorsed Obama.

Posted by: Belle Starr | April 22, 2008, 6:47 pm 6:47 pm

* Clinton started out 25 points ahead in PA
* Clinton had the support of the popular Governor and the whole state apparatus
* Bill Clinton won in PA 3 times – the primary and general in ’92, and then again in his reelection campaign in ’96. He has been campaigning hard there.
* Hillary had family roots in PA
* The PA demographics are favorable to Clinton (whiter, less educated, poorer, more women, more Catholics, and more people over the age of 65 than the national average)
* These advantages are priceless, so of course Obama had to spend a lot more money than Clinton. What being outspent 3-1 really shows is that Clinton is broke and can’t raise the kind of money Obama can. If she had more money, she would have most certainly used it.
* It also shows that Obama is competing in every state, which is the strategy that has won him more states, votes, and delegates. Not fully contesting every state has not worked well for Clinton.
* Clinton’s own Pennsylvania spokesman said Clinton would be “unbeatable” in Pennsylvania.

Posted by: Buckk | April 22, 2008, 6:57 pm 6:57 pm

“Why is it that the early exit polls always favor Obama, only to be proven wrong by the final results.”
Maybe because people are now literally AFRAID to say anything else, for fear of being kept track of, and/or labeled “racist”. That’s the problem with polls in general: people don’t tell the truth to strangers on the telephone — why WOULD they, considering that the government keeps a dump of electronic communications?

Posted by: Belle Starr | April 22, 2008, 7:01 pm 7:01 pm

Belle Starr,
I think it is a bit extreme to say that Hamas endorsed Obama.
But I do agree with you on one point. The more this campaign goes, the more he looks like an ordinary politician. I think it was wrong for him to disavow Carter.
Sooner or later, someone will have to talk to Hamas. At least, that’s what history has shown: South African, North Ireland and so on. So I think that Carter taking this initiative despite all the critics is rather courageous.
It is the can of courage that today politicians don’t have, especially when they are in the mix of a political campaign.
Did you see Hillary yesterday? She was threatening: Bomb, bomb, bomb! Bomb, bomb, Iran!!!

Posted by: Lance D. | April 22, 2008, 7:04 pm 7:04 pm

“How could she hug the wife of a terrorist?”
Oh, get real. Yassir Arafat was one of the greatest leaders of the twentieth century, whether you like it or not. Jimmy Carter, God bless him, laid a wreath at Arafat’s grave.

Posted by: Belle Starr | April 22, 2008, 7:30 pm 7:30 pm

If Obama wins that means a win for Rev.Wright, Ayers,Farrakhan and the anti-Americans that think like them.
America deserves better.

Posted by: cindy | April 22, 2008, 7:37 pm 7:37 pm

I’m an Obama supporter, and I agree.
He has a ton of money, a huge advantage. Why can’t he win? If he can’t pull out a win now, what’s that say of his ability to convince in general? Has he hit a plateau?
What’s sad, for me, is that the trite three letter battle cry of “Yes, we can” is that much more philosophically resonant, because I question… CAN we really?
i’m so struck by the deep-seated prejudices that may prove an obstacle too tough to tackle.
this broad vilification of painting Obama with a wide brush as some unAmerican terrorist-sympathizer is flat out ridiculous, regardless of any one of the associations flaunted about with indignant conviction — Ayers, Auchi, Rezko, Wright, whatever.
it’s all an excuse for something else, something not attractive.
but in everyone’s intent to dehumanize someone else, oh dears, we are seriously dehumanizing ourselves.

Posted by: Ta. | April 22, 2008, 7:57 pm 7:57 pm

I remember when Obama said he could when anywhere given enough time. I guess six weeks isn’t enough?

Posted by: max | April 22, 2008, 7:59 pm 7:59 pm

“it’s all an excuse for something else, something not attractive.”
Yeah, if anybody has RESERVATIONS about a hothouse hustler being elevated waaay beyond his accomplishments, in spite of being pals with mobsters and talking about such elevating topics as “typical white persons” and so on, it must be RACISM, must be about the color of his skin? When you’re talking about the U.S. presidency? Horse-pucky.
Maybe, instead, it’s something about the “content of his character” that’s creeping people out.

Posted by: Belle Starr | April 22, 2008, 8:05 pm 8:05 pm

sen. clinton has had the deck stack against her on every level
the media has not helped us to examine this obama
so what has happened
the media has been telling us she needs to get out, he is the one.
and we don’t know him
so what has happened everytime the voters get a chance to have their say
they keep her in and it gives us a chance to learn him a little more.
and the more we learn about him-the more we know he is not the one.
we need to ignore the pundits and media people and just keep listening to each other we the voters
and we will come out all right.

Posted by: jgaw | April 22, 2008, 8:09 pm 8:09 pm

stop saying obama has a “800,000″ lead in the popular vote. Every time you do you throw 1.7 million people in florida overboard. it is arrogant in the extreme.

Posted by: john Smart | April 22, 2008, 8:13 pm 8:13 pm

Max, 6 weeks is nothing when you’re up against the Clinton machine

Posted by: lisa | April 22, 2008, 8:17 pm 8:17 pm

the clinton machine is broken
the obama machine is rolling right along and donating and trying to buy the best superdelegates his money can get.
I wish people would explain what the clinton machine is?

Posted by: jgaw | April 22, 2008, 8:21 pm 8:21 pm

“Why can’t the frontrunner win working class voters?”
CNN’s exit polls say that he pretty much just did… with 53% of the male vote compared to 44% for Hillary.
She gets 55% of the female vote, many of them elderly, and gets more of the retired male voters.
So yeah, he *HAS* the working class voter on his side.

Posted by: Mark Kraft | April 22, 2008, 8:22 pm 8:22 pm

Closed primary. Wisky was an open primary. Obama wins independents handily.

Posted by: Mike | April 22, 2008, 8:23 pm 8:23 pm

that is not right
cnn just said the white men voted for the white woman
all the exit polls sofar say it has broke along the line of race.
white women and white men have been voting for hillary.

Posted by: jgaw | April 22, 2008, 8:25 pm 8:25 pm

Basically, this is a gender and demographic contest… and frankly, the demographics have always been on Hillary’s side. Fortunately, Obama is a stronger candidate for real change.
This is *VERY* good news for Obama and for all Democrats in upcoming years, because the entire Democratic Party will ride higher for longer on the demographics of his supporters. It seems like all she’s able to decisively carry are older voters and less educated voters.

Posted by: Mark Kraft | April 22, 2008, 8:33 pm 8:33 pm

Five minutes or so ago, Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews were exchanging stricken looks on msnbc, on having to report that the PA primary is “too early” to call, rather than “too close” to call. It was comical, in a horrible way.

Posted by: Belle Starr | April 22, 2008, 8:39 pm 8:39 pm

Why can’t Hillary win as BIG in PA as she and Rendell said she could?

Posted by: greg | April 22, 2008, 8:42 pm 8:42 pm

Fox News has just declared Hillary the winner!
Rise, Hillary, Rise!’08

Posted by: LeeLee07 | April 22, 2008, 8:47 pm 8:47 pm

“stop saying obama has a “800,000″ lead in the popular vote. Every time you do you throw 1.7 million people in florida overboard. it is arrogant in the extreme.”
If you count Florida Obama’s lead is still about 400,000 – check the realclearpolitics site fot that

Posted by: greg | April 22, 2008, 8:47 pm 8:47 pm

MSNBC has just declared Hillary the winner!
Rise, Hillary, Rise!’08

Posted by: LeeLee07 | April 22, 2008, 8:51 pm 8:51 pm

Well we all knew Hillary was going to be the winner – but will it be double digits?

Posted by: greg | April 22, 2008, 8:54 pm 8:54 pm

I think it is pretty clear that race is the primary reason… represented by the fact that white women are voting for a white woman… not being critical, but these are the facts… it doesn’t help that in Ohio Nafta-gate broke just prior to the primary, and now Wright and cling-gate… so whatever gains he may have made with aggressive campaigning, quickly lost… but the writing is on the wall in my opinion… she can’t win… and I wouldn’t vote for her… but he will win the “big” states in November…

Posted by: Sanjay | April 22, 2008, 9:13 pm 9:13 pm

“Well we all knew Hillary was going to be the winner … ”
Well, nobody DID know that. That was the premise:
“But what’s so crazy about the idea that the Democratic frontrunner — flush with cash and outspending Clinton 3-to-1, running against a candidate with such high unfavorable ratings — should be able to win a blue state primary?”
DESPITE spending an obscene amount of money in PA — no “change” there — Obama DIDN’T, it seems at this moment, manage to buy the WHOLE primary. This is great: maybe it’ll catch on.

Posted by: Belle Starr | April 22, 2008, 9:15 pm 9:15 pm

Barack can’t with with all the money in the world, all the media in his favor, all his trashing of Hillary, all the left side of the party supporting him, all the BIG endorsements, etc. and still he CAN’T WIN the big States! To me he is a loser!

Posted by: Mary KY | April 22, 2008, 9:21 pm 9:21 pm

Jake, you were right and your article make some valid points. How come Obama can’t win!
Very hard for his campaign to explain that!

Posted by: Rich_PA | April 22, 2008, 9:30 pm 9:30 pm

Here’s my nominee for Worst Pennsylvania Primary Result coverage — MSNBC. Olbermann is actually stammering and sputtering, Russert is demonizing the Clintons, Matthews is cackling at Russert’s tirade…
Who won? Even with the 24/7 campaigning by the Obamedia??

Posted by: cappamore | April 22, 2008, 9:32 pm 9:32 pm

Hillary trounces Obama by 10 points and the CNN pundits are rolling out the “If Hillary takes this away from Obama the African American base will leave the party. Young voters will leave the party.” The PARTY need to be concerned that women will walk off and then who will do the work and send the money. Give me a break. This is not taking candy from a baby … or is it?
Clinton/Edwards 08. Let’s moveon!

Posted by: AmazonTraveler | April 22, 2008, 11:50 pm 11:50 pm

Wiht Pennsysylvania counted- Baack is still winning nationally in every category.Barack is still leading the delegate vote,which is the litmus test and will remain so long as the Clintons dont move the bar or change the game. The Clinton spin is the spin that the media follows. It boggarts and is bodacoius. It is absolutely amazing that Barack has maintained his lead against the Clinton Machine. As a Philadelphian, the Clintons own our Govenor Rendell. Philadelphia politicians are financially indebted to Clintons. Michael Nutter has be bought and sold. For Barack to go up against this established Clinton machine and still maintan his lead is amazing.

Posted by: Kim from Philadelphia | April 23, 2008, 12:20 am 12:20 am

Hillary won by 10%, much less than my prediction, but still a very convincing win. Obama can only win states that he will never win in a general election, so you know he is definitely not electable.

Posted by: Ken | April 23, 2008, 12:23 am 12:23 am

Spending money…Give me a break! If Clinton was able to raise the money that Barack raised, she too would have spent it. Dont act like she has standards or integrity. She is a chameleon and changes her colors state by state.

Posted by: Kim from Philadelphia | April 23, 2008, 12:28 am 12:28 am

I think Hillary won PA for one very simple reason: Bill Clinton. In interview after interview I’ve read or seen of Hillary supporters in PA, there was a common refrain: a sense of nostalgia for the era of Bill Clinton. A return to the idyllic economy of his administration. He is deeply popular among democrats in PA–as well as elsewhere. One must never, ever underestimate the name brand of Clinton among democratic voters. Afterall, would any other candidate who was insurmountably behind in the delegate math be allowed by the party to remain in the race if their last name wasn’t Clinton?
I think we would have seen an entirely different outcome in PA if independents and republicans could’ve voted in the democratic race today. These two groups aren’t predisposed to Clinton nostalgia.

Posted by: ChrisNBama | April 23, 2008, 12:38 am 12:38 am

Anyone think that any democrat is going to win in states like Wyoming or any of the small states that Obama won in December. He can’t win the big states.

Posted by: Tina D | April 23, 2008, 12:56 am 12:56 am

Interesting task, add the delegates each candidate would get from the states they won if they were divied out “winner-take-all” as in the general election. The numbers are quite interesting. Hint, Hillary has won all the large states.

Posted by: pp | April 23, 2008, 2:15 am 2:15 am

Too many bloggers think that this is a race of “good” and “evil”. It occurs to me that the media has not really given Obama’s record of accomplishment at all.
And that is because he has little or none….A long term in IL with no real accomplishments. A community organizer? give me a break. I was a community organizer in the 80′s and that is not real experience. I think Obama’s greatest accomplishment in his early days was a phenomonal voter registration drive.
In IL In 1999, Obama voted against requiring school boards to put Internet
pornography filters on school computers meant for students’ use. In
2001, he voted “present” on a bill to keep pornographic book and
video stores and strip clubs from setting up within 10 ,0 000 feet of
schools and churches. In 2003, he voted in the Health and Human
Services Committee for a bill requiring “age appropriate”
sex-education for students in kindergarten through fifth grade.
Despite his talk of promoting reading among inner-city youth, Obama
has repeatedly opposed bills designed to promote discipline in public
schools. In 2001, he twice voted “no” on a bill to let school
districts require unruly students to complete suspensions before they
can be shuffled into a new school district. he voted “present” on an
almost unanimously passed bill requiring adult prosecution for
students who fire guns on school grounds.
Obama has been markedly soft on crime. In 2001, he voted against a
bill that added extra penalties for crimes committed in furtherance
of gang activities. he also voted against a bill making it a criminal
offense for accused gang members, free on bond or on probation, to
associate with known gang members. In 1999, he was the only state
senator to vote against a bill prohibiting early prison release for
criminal sexual abusers.
And in the Senate he co-sponsered a bill that the media used to make fun of….it says that lobbyists can pay for anything as long as the government officials they are lobbying don’t sit down. He also voted with big oil interests on the Bush-Cheney bill.
And since then he hasn’t had time to chair the committee he was placed on or even vote near as much as Hillary has since this campaign began. His record is mainly this campaign. So we know he’s good at fundraising…but we are going to find out if the historic spending levels can buy a state. From Romneys experience I don’t think it’s going to work.

Posted by: Jackie | April 23, 2008, 2:41 am 2:41 am

Obama likes to claim he has more political experience that Senator Clinton because of his time in the IL senate. OOn paper he may have but that can be debunked easily enough. The IL Senate meets for a total of 55 days a year.
He claims he has more foreign “policy” experience because he lived in Indonesia and went to Pakistan for 2 weeks. He discounts Hillary’s experience and says it was teas, pre-arranged visits, etc….no…Hillary is the real deal
Hillary and Bill were $9 million in debt when they left the WH. Since that they have managed to overcome those odds and made a lot of money. Hillary connects to the blue collar worker because she really understands us.
Between my husband and I we make almost $100,000 per year now. We have 23 1/2 years of experience through our time in the Navy. I have a college degree. The schools we both attended in the Navy were the equivalent of electical engineering school. We live on God’s 4 little acres in KS and we live on a dirt road.
Obama doesn’t understand this. He doesn’t get it. His arrogance and elitism pushes people like us away. We are the luchbucket Democrats in all to familiar Blue State that hasn’t been red in 40 years.
Obama took Kansas. But as much as the Democratic Party thinks we will be red in the Red in the fall, they are wrong….we will be what we have been for 40 years. So there goes one of his statea right there.
Governor Rendell didn’t say Obama could take Pennsylvania in the fall. He said he would do all he could in November if Obama is the nominee.
Last night just after the primary was called for Hillary she raised quite a bit of money and it is still growing. 80% of that money came from new donors. A tide has turned. People are listening.

Posted by: navyvet48 | April 23, 2008, 8:43 am 8:43 am

I am so tried of the bias and un-objective reporting by the media. Do these guys only look at the cup as half empty or what? Why do we continue to hear — Why Obama can’t put her away? Well… WHY can’t Hillary put him away? Look she has lead in double digits in every state and he has manage to cut her lead by more than half and in some cases actually winning the state overall (i.e., Texas -which incidentally no one acknowledges). Now please be objective, Obama is not running against someone un-established, goodness sake this woman’s husband has WON the white house TWICE. Please ask the question, WHAT is wrong with HILLIARY? Why can’t she put HIM away????

Posted by: pb | April 23, 2008, 9:01 am 9:01 am

Its OK, he will outspend her 6 to 1 next time, its not his fault those bitter people are so expensive! He just pulled a Romney, but what if it works next time…

Posted by: danglibrul | April 23, 2008, 10:57 am 10:57 am

The real blow came from that farse of a so-called debate the other night…that’s why he didn’t win PA.
Talk about piling on, ABC anchors Gibson and Stephanopolous, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Rendell, and Nutter.

Posted by: Ugly Politics | April 23, 2008, 11:07 am 11:07 am

With all his money, and all the star power, and all the media who clearly love him, Obama can’t win convincingly in the states that will make the difference in November.
Why? Because his popularity is narrow. His wins in caucus states are being touted with equal weight as Hillary’s wins in large states. That’s problematic. By simply comparing a Win vs. Loss chart it doesn’t tell the true story. Caucus wins reflect a miniscule slice of voters in a state.
The General Election looks much more like a primary election in Ohio or PA, than it does a caucus in Wyoming. Maybe the majority of Democrats are tired of the DNC and the media trying to shove this guy down our throats when we KNOW in our hearts he can’t win the GE. He’s not ready, and he has more baggage than a socialite on a world cruise.

Posted by: Diana | April 23, 2008, 2:04 pm 2:04 pm

I have been involved in politics for over 50 years and frankly they are so sleasy so often that all of this is just hype.
First, Hillary Clinton should have won Pennsylvania by a larger margin than she won Ohio. All things being equal she has several major advantages.
1. It is a carbon copy in many ways of Ohio.
2. It is her home state and that is a very big advantage. People who pay no attention to politics will vote for a home state person. As will people who have something to gain by having a local become President.
3. Since she was going to win it anyway, it has been hyped as the only state that matters which will cost her in the General Election.
4. Obama has the most sensible plans that have the best chance of succeeding. Experience alone has never produced a good President. But the media is nothing if not shallow and vapid when it comes to a real debate.
All they are capable of doing is rerunning ads, doing polls and basically gossip the East Coast is so wound up in strategies they do not cover realities or long range objective issues. That favors Hillary as well.
However, the General Election is another matter. McCain is an adult. Hillary for all her experience is not mature or able to think long range.
She and her husband have always immediately and often erroneously blamed or claimed that their problems were those of their victims. Eight years of it got very old very fast and I was a supporter. One person committed suicide, Al Gore’s chances were hurt as much by the Clinton games as the Republican impeachment. Frankly repeating that is depressing. And it has already started.
Hillary Clinton swift boated herself. In the General Election she is no match for McCain as Commander in Cheif to any voter who looks at the surface. Bosnia and her Red Phone ad were both monumental mistakes. Sometimes it seems the only game the Clintons play is how much can I screw up and still get away with it?
My son is a Democrat and guess what. He supported Hillary and is now supporting McCain. She damned the Democrats to extintion is his mind.
More and more people outside the state that is currently voting, are tired of the sandbox stuff and will not listen to or vote for a Democrat. They have tuned in turned on to the campaign and dropped out with the endless money spent and refusal of the pundits to cover or discuss issues. Or allow the candidates to really debate.
Meanwhile McCain looks better all the time despite everything at least he is perceived as an adult that is going about the business of government.
It is sad that the East Coast press is into strategy that they do not care about anything else. First, they brought us the War in Iraq and non exitant weapons of mass destruction,as well as George Bush the second. Now we get the next royal dynastic nominee which will make 28 years of mediocrity or seriously flawed candidates from only two families. That should not happen in a democracy.

Posted by: Jill Gering | April 23, 2008, 2:11 pm 2:11 pm

Hillary has already won the Democratic Nomination, since the hardcore, long term Democrats have consistently voted for her. Hillary is the OBVIOUS DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE. Obama has received votes from Republicans and Republican leaning Independents; which is highly suspect. 100,000 new Democrats in Penn. were Republicans switching over. Come on people…the Republicans have nothing to lose since they already have McCain. The question then would be WHY? Why do the Republicans want Obama? I know they don’t want a Democrat. So what’s up with that?

Posted by: irma | April 23, 2008, 2:16 pm 2:16 pm

Well, I don’t know what the media is up to. However, I do know that the same media that sold us on Bush (not me!) twice and helped the Bush administration push the WMD story in Iraq and helped to push the war, are the same media that is desperately and visciously pushing Obama on us. Uh, no thanks! We would rather make our own choice since the media choices have been utter failures. Since the media loves Obama, they should give him an anchor job or make him one of their useless, bias pundits.

Posted by: irma | April 23, 2008, 2:23 pm 2:23 pm

Obama’s supporters are so heavily invested in his campaign that they grasp for any straw. Hence the continued she cannot win the nomination narrative.
Obama had 6 weeks and a 3to4 to 1 spending advantage to re-introduce himself and “connect to the voters”. He flat out failed! Remember the long running chant of “everywhere he has the chance and time to personally campaign, he wins”! His campaign, despite such mantras, continued pronostications and wishing, seems to actually be imploding.
If Obama were everything he is proclaimed to be, HRC should be long gone by now. Yet she is still winning primaries, has a solid non-yeiding base, and shows more resilence and fortitude every day.
Pudits say “math” dictates HRC “cannot” win. Yet, I have yet to see a pundit delineate the “math” by which Obama “can” win the 2025. I have asked, and still ask, anyone of said ilk to produce such a concrete formula by which he can. Perhaps someone on this blog would be good enough to do so.
Right now, the truth as I see it, is that the only true formula for an Obama win involves HRC “quitting”, and that seems highly unlikely.

Posted by: Mike in Texas | April 23, 2008, 4:09 pm 4:09 pm

Why Can’t Obama Win Pennsylvania? Real simple. Whether people want to accept it or not these blue-collar white voters in Pennsylvania won’t vote for a black man. Simple as that. They are uneducated people who can’t make a logical vote. They will vote for John McCain in the fall over Obama, which is a vote AGAINST they’re economic interest, which is a FOOLISH vote!! Cut your nose off to spite your face blue-collar white voters because Barack will be the nominee of the Democratic Party. Also when John McCain does nothing to help your economic situation. I don’t want to here you cryin’ and whinin’ about how bad things are for you. Nobody will care because you had a chance to CHANGE that. You won’t vote for the man because he is black and that’s the bottom line. That is FOOLISH, NOT USING COMMON SENSE, STUPID, DUMB etc.
Hillary can’t catch him in the delegate count and the Democratic Party is not willing to risk the fallout of losing the voters that have voted for Obama.
Mainly the African-American vote.
If they take this nomination away from Obama and he has earned it fair and square you will see the Democratic Party lose its most loyal base.
Some White democrats are simply fickle and when they get mad then they protest by voting against what is best for them in the long run. THAT IS SOOOOOOOOOO STUPID!!!!
You’re letting your emotions cloud your better judgment. Frail emotions change like the weather and when you come back to reality and realize what you have done then it’s too late. It’s like acting out in a road rage situation. You take the law into your own hands because your stupid emotions took over and clouded your judgment, now you do something stupid like kill someone and you go to trial and go to jail for 20 to life. Now was that decision better for you and your family? Or should you have used some logical reasoning and calmed yourself down, realizing that letting your anger get the best of you is going to put you on the losing end.
You will regret putting McCain in office. Then you will end up more bitter than you already are.

Posted by: Dennis In Orlando, FL | April 23, 2008, 8:29 pm 8:29 pm

MIke in Texas writes, “Obama had 6 weeks and a 3to4 to 1 spending advantage to re-introduce himself and “connect to the voters”. He flat out failed!”
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No offense Mike but you do realize there are people in this forum who are actually SMART enough to understand that he was 20 POINTS behind Hillary. Low and behold she wins by only 10 points without there being ANY change in the number of delegates, etc. The fact that you (and it seems others) can’t grasp that is a little scary.

Posted by: Dems | April 23, 2008, 9:31 pm 9:31 pm

OBAMA cannot close the deal. Why? Cause the “the new politics”is a lie. He’s been more negative than Hillary. You totally lost me when you said the Clintons’s were racist. I don’t have a racist bone in my body and I still think Hillary is the best candidate.

Posted by: oh yes | April 23, 2008, 10:58 pm 10:58 pm

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