Will Obama-Backing Unions Hammer Clinton for Penn?

The thing about Hillary is that she is for Free Trade Deals in ODD numbered years and she is against Free Trade Deals in EVEN number years.
This is all you need to know. So if the Union Guys wanna do some hammering, nobody is gonna blame them.

Remember this Free Trade Deal Slogan from the Past:
NAFTA we HAFTA …. we HAFTA have NAFTA.

“He had TWO jobs and was ejected from the campaign immediately.”
The problem for many (even inside HRC’s campaign)is; he was not.
Uribe fired Penn, Hillary didn’t.

Not that it matters for those who refuse to listen to anything that isn’t anti-Clinton, but here is a statement from her campaign today:
“4/7/2008
Statement from Hillary Clinton on the Colombia Free Trade Agreement
I am disappointed that President Bush has decided to send the Colombia Free Trade Agreement to Congress. As I have said consistently for several months, I oppose signing any trade deal with Colombia while violence against trade unionists continues and the perpetrators are not brought to justice. The United States should be pursuing trade agreements that promote human rights and worker rights, not overlook egregious abuses.
I will vote against the President’s Colombia trade agreement, and will urge my Senate colleagues to do the same.”

The Penn Two-Timing thing would be Karl Rove lobbying for Saddam behind George Bush’s back while Georgie was sellin the Iraq War.

Obama said, “I Wrote A Tough Nuclear Bill.” — LIAR, Obama’s bill was rejected by his own party for its pandering and lack of all regulation — mainly because of Obama’s Nuclear Donor, Exelon, from which David Axelrod came.
Obama’s supporters would cover the world with smoke and mirrors to try and make Barack Hussein Obama look good, regardless of all his lies and ties to radical anti-Americans. Obama could butcher a kitten on the White House lawn and his followers would try to make it look like a good thing.
I imagine some of the people who have already voted for Obama would like to change their votes! Obama, along with Dean and Pelosi, are destroying the Democratic Party. They say we have 48 states … not 50.

Unions,
By all means, please throw your support to Obama if you want to make sure you are backing the winning rabbit. He has such a commanding lead he could lay down and take a nap and things would be alright. Go ahead, take a nap with him. There will be plenty of coolaid for all the Obama supporters just short of the finish line.
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Obama, the winning rabbit!
Obama has a commanding lead!
Obama can afford to take a lengthy nap!
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The media and Dems make us believe that the Columbia trade deal is so bad. The Columbians charge a 35% tax on U.S. imports and we have no import taxes on their goods. This deal would allow U.S. companies to compete in Columbia (which would create more U.S. jobs). And, it is a pro-democracy country that is having trouble with Chavez funded terrorists! Liberals need to wise up and quit playing union politics.

Kerry, we know that foxNews is Hill’s new friends like Hannety and O”rally but if you are looking for the truth you will not go to Foxnews the unfair and unbalanced news station. Please. There is a good opportunity for Obama to show to working class that he is not a rich man and has not 109 million in is bank account and has not givien to himself 10 million charity. That he undertands working class issues more than Hill the Bosnian Brigadier General and McNasty the super Governor of Bagdad. God bless America and God bless Obama. OBAMA08.

President McCain if the liberal left has its way

Westie
Name 3 things Hills will do for the Union folk. I can name 2. What say you?

@John
“Penn does NOT work for the Hillary campaign”
?!?!?!
What makes you think or say that? You probably missed Marc Ambinder’s report first:
“Demoted Hillary Clinton strategist Mark Penn may no longer have the coveted title of chief strategist, but he remains a key member of the campaign’s senior staff.
Mr. Penn took part on the campaign’s morning message call this morning, as usual.
This afternoon, he is also scheduled to be on a call with Clinton and other aides to begin to prepare for Saturday’s presidential debate in Philadelphia.
Mr. Penn “is still going to be very much involved,” a senior campaign official said.”
And THEN you missed what Mr. Penn himself had to say today, which has been highlighted and quoted in this very thread.

Liberals don’t win General Elections!
ASK JOHN KERRY!

The Teamsters Union endorsed Obama before the Ohio primary and ooh, that so damaged Clinton. If folks want to stretch and say that Clinton was doing double duty on Colombia trade, then continue down that winding path to insanity.
She has consistently been opposed to trade deals with Colombia and was deeply disappointed upon hearing about the conflict of interest that Penn got himself into. She has handled this appropriately and removed him as Chief Strategist of her campaign. Running some numbers is hardly strategic in nature.

honest -
was thinking the same thing so here it goes:
Hillary says a lot of things, most are not true.
If anyone, even the Unions, fall for her line of bull crap, then they should never be allowed to complain about her when she screws them.
It is impossible to do for all that she promised, Plus many would conflict with the promises made to other groups.
Hillary is sucking up and will say anything or do anything for votes.
I can’t believe there are so many Gullible, naive people falling for what spews from her mouth.
Hillary cares only for Hillary.
She’ll even sacrifice her Party, if that’s what it takes for HER to win.

@ THE COMMANDER GUY
“She’ll even sacrifice her Party, if that’s what it takes for HER to win.”
No, if Obama and his supporters want to oust Hillary prematurely and expect all of Hillary’s supporters to go to Obama without even offering a the VEEP Spot to Hillary, who’s sacrificing the party?

@john
“STILL IGNORING THE OBAMA OFFICIAL QUESTION……..”
?!?!?! again, for that question wasn’t even directed at me.
I don’t know any Obama officials, I only hope Prof. Goolsbee is still on board as an enonomic adviser.
Besides, Penn is the issue here, if you like it or not. He’s not an adviser, he was Clinton’s chief strategist who happened to be on both Columbia’s and Clinton’s payroll.

LOM
is it the surrogates making the mistakes, or maybe just possibly, Ms Ready on Day One making the Mistakes?

Well it’s not just Columbia, she keeps saying she’s opposed to the war in Iraq, but Penn is making money off Blackwater.
You guys can’t tell me that Clinton is not, was not aware of this also.
To top it all off she has not made a decisive decision, as Penn is still on the Campaign, still has influance with the Clintins and he is still using that influance, for his gain.

She doesnt seem to know anything that is going on around her? Who else does this remind you of???

all of what the media is saying is just bull and I really can’t believe that people would buy any of it our media is a joke thier more worried about ratings than who is President we went to war so they could have a story the way they have treated Hillary is just unbelieveable the men in the media are sexist pigs.I hope plenty of women show up on friday

If its Obama vs McCain….
Hello, President McCain!

Bishop and LOM…I am a woman and I know that the last person we need running this country is anyone with as poor judgement as Hillary or Mcbush have…They are like 2 peas in a pod! Its a shame that you cannot see that! How can you defend Mark Penn in good conscience? He is the democratic Carl Rove!

Beka,
What the heck does being a woman have to do with anything??? I never said I support Penn. He has had waning support within the Clinton campaign for some time now. When was the last time you even heard his name in the MSM in the context of anything that mattered?
Hillary and Bush in the same pod? You have got to be kidding me. It doesn’t take a genius to recognize that Bush couldn’t recognize a core democratic value if it slapped him in the face.
And they say the Obama supporters are the educated ones…

LOM
Fair enough. Peace.

@ Beka
Only the desperate left would continue to try to tie McCain with Bush.
People aren’t buying it!!!!
They like him as much as, if not more than, Barack Obama!

McCain’s first major problem was that the Conservative Right hated him. He’s no conservative in the traditional sense. He’s relatively moderate and I think many people can stomach four years of that as opposed to the hand we’ve been dealt in the past four. The fallout from the democratic party should be interesting, whomever ends up being the nominee.

@Bishop
“This has been a get Hillary from the start ”
What is you wrong with you people? Did Hillary’s opponents hire Penn for her and put him in touch with Uribe? Did Obama recommend to her to tell the Tuzla story? Did McCain send Patti Solis Doyle home? Did the MSM not pay her campaign’s bills? Did Axelrod advice her to skip the caucuses, and did Huckabee tell Bill to compare Obama to Jesse Jackson?
Does it ever occur to you that Hillary simply has run a weak and shaky campaign while Obama did the opposite, and that Super Delegates and other observers conclude from it that he will be the GOP’s stronger Democratic opponent in the GE? Who will attract a record breaking amount of voters, as he already did in the primaries, just as he attracted a record breaking amount of donations and donaters?
How would Hillary run a strong GE after such a shaky primary season? Come on, be sensible.

John
You can’t court NAFTA, shill for reforming NAFTA and shame your opponent over wanting to do the same thing.
Dood, its called Romneyism.

john; “he was anti-Nafta, he would get rid of it if elected”
In a discussion, try be accurate. Obama NEVER said he would get rid of NAFTA. To court OHIO voters, Clinton even released a robocall that said: “NAFTA has hurt Ohio families and I have a plan to fix it. My opponent does not.” That was just another Clinton lie of course.
Obama’s stand on NAFTA has consistently been that we need to reform it so it can’t be used as a loophole around labor and environmental protections. Obama has never advocated scrapping NAFTA. He has always said we need to make sure it doesn’t continue to gut labor and environmental protections.

Okay, since we are so far off topic and nobody seems to want to go on topic, here is something new. Here is why John McCain is going to have serious problems winning (and let me just say I would have voted for him in 2000):
1. Who wants to elect a one-term President? Seriously, he is older now but not too old. But, after 4 years of one of the hardest jobs, he will be much older. So his VP choice is huge and guess what, it has got to be a conservative’s conservative. If you are voting for McCain, you are voting for his VP and the odds aren’t that bad that the VP may need to take over.
2. The war thing. It is not his inane position on the war that is the major problem. It is his complete blindness that the war is bankrupting this country. If you are a fiscal conservative, this will drive you nuts. Heck, the democrats might be tax-and-spend but at least they’ll blow our wad here in the US not in some other country. If we’re going to go broke, we might as well have healthcare.
3. The economy. This goes back to the war thing. The man has no idea how to get things back on track. There are no new ideas. Do you like your paycheck? Do you like your gas at $4/gallon? Well guess what, your money will be worth less and your gas will cost more unless we stop spending so much money that we don’t have.
There are more but I just hate long posts.

MIGuy
Good point about the thread, McCain has to pick a young but experienced guy, but back to the thread, so here it is:
The thing about Hillary is that she is for Free Trade Deals in ODD numbered years and she is against Free Trade Deals in EVEN number years.
This is all you need to know. So if the Union Guys wanna do some hammering, nobody is gonna blame them.

The Commander Guy
Actually she doesn’t need to talk about Obama.
He’s gotten himself in enough trouble misrepresenting McCain’s stance on the war, saying he wants a 100 war, and trying to attach WARMONGER to McCain. (Obama camp: “He isn’t a warmonger” *wink**wink*)

1. Who wants to elect a one-term President?
It is rather presumptuous to think that any candidate is not a four year candidate. 8 years in the White House is not a given.
2. The war thing.
I’m not sure what you are implying is his inane position on the war? If you are referring to his “100 years” remark, I think you are taking it out of context. His 100 years remark was referring to a long-term post-war military presence.
3. The economy.
Well, he wants to cut taxes on the middle class, which is what Clinton and Obama want to do as well. He wants to repeal the AMT, which would have saved me thousands of dollars over the past 8 years. He’s for cutting wasteful spending (earmarks, pork-barrel spending, etc.). I actually wish he’d roll back the Bush tax cuts that he voted against initially.
He’s no conservative in the traditional sense. He can pull off a win by winning the independents (which some preliminary polling shows him doing) and even peeling some of the moderate democratic voters from an Obama or Clinton nomination.

Obama’s chief economic advisor tells the Canadians not to take Obama’s anti-NAFTA talk too seriously — it’s important to voters in the Midwest. Obama denies the conversation took place but a Canadian diplomat’s memo shows it did. Can’t trust Obama on NAFTA!
Samantha Power, Obama’s chief foreign policy advisor, tells the Brits not to take Obama’s push for quick withdrawal of troops in Iraq too seriously. She says they’ll be there for at least 16 months and decisions will depend on the situation in Iraq. Can’t trust Obama on Iraq!

John
So Hillary is for and against unfair trade deals.
So Hillary is for and against the Irak war.
What else is Hills both for and against?

Why would a Democratic candidate have a guy who is well known for spewing hate in his church, give the “Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr. Trumpet” award to Louis Farrakhan and builds a $1.6M house with the paritioners’ money as a member of his African American Religious Leadership Committee in his Presidential campaign?
What does it tell us about that candidate?

@LOM:
1. The point about being a one-termer is that realistically that’s all it can be for him. It is exceedingly difficult for any President to enact meaningful changes within a 4-year confine.
2. The inane position on the war is one that has no end and no clear definition of victory. It’s really not hard to define victory in Iraq – I’ll do it for him: 1. Food, 2. Water, 3. Safety, 4. Electricity, 5. A semblance of government. Iraq is not Korea. There is no DMZ, there is nowhere for soldiers to stand guard protected. This is not a fair option for our soldiers and their families who worry for their safety.
3. It doesn’t matter what anyone’s position on the war is – we can’t afford it. Period. Roll back the AMT – yeah, that would be great for me too, but then even less money to pay for everything. Look at the GAO reports – even if you cut out ALL of the earmarks and pork, Medicare and Social Security alone will bankrupt us. Even without the war.
I don’t disagree that McCain is a moderate in sheep’s clothing (i.e. a conservative). But his VP candidate will be a young bright conservative – guaranteed. And in this election the VP choice for both parties is going to be huge. Look, I’m not saying he can’t or won’t win but it is not going to be a cakewalk against either Clinton or Obama unless he pulls off some magic.

MIguy
Hillary gotta make a decision. Is she gonna destroy her party to win the nomination or is she gonna act with class and look at the negative numbers then walk away.
So there it is. On the boards you get lots of deception. The surrogates want you to think Hills gotta a chance to win….. but she doesn’t.
So they say all sorta crazy stuff.

There is one person in this campaign that Obama has gone to the wall for…Rev. Jeremiah Wright. He has lied for him, he has slurred the white grandmother who raised him for Wright, and he has alienated many other “typical white people” as well as others who love America and deplore hate speech. Wright is his “spiritual mentor”, his “sounding board” and will most definitely have substantial influence over Obama should he be president. For any other candidate, the media would have carried this story daily because it speaks so clearly to what Obama is about. Obama will be Wright and Farrakhan’s man in the White House, make no mistake of that!

LOM
kewl deal Kansas won. And I won my brackets.
Simple. Hillary wants a one term president to beat in 2012.
Romney wants a one term president that he can succeed (think McCain) in 2012.
So there you go.

@LOM:
No argument. I personally feel that for once I will not be voting for the lesser of two evils. Anything is going to be better than Bush/Cheney. But this country has got to face some serious issues and he-said she-said bickering that the media fuels is pointless. I wonder what would happen if instead of constantly reporting on this nonsense if reporters actually barraged us constantly with “boring” things in layman’s terms. Like daily blogs on: Your medicare tax won’t be available for you when you retire; followed by: neither will social security.

TCG — I don’t follow football.
“Hillary wants a one term president to beat in 2012.”
Um, I’m not sure what election you’re following, but I’m pretty sure that she wants to win the presidency in 2008. I’m sure you have to be familiar with this as the mantra from the Obama campaign is that “she’ll say or do anything to win.” So, your above strategy is debunked.
And I know it’s actually basketball, but either way, I don’t follow it. Although, Barack must be sad that his pick of NC went down in flames over the weekend.

John say “and when there was a vote to give Bush the power to use military force in Iraq if NECESSARY, a power which he abused, everyone in the United States was PRO-WAR!”
I still expect to be punk’d at any moment by this nonsense.
But here it goes, Hill was one of the chief enablers of this screw up.
Hillary enabled st00pid stuff in the past, has she not? And she was one of the chief enablers of the Irak debacle.
Not everyone was prowar. Hillary was not either.

@John:
What if he choose Murtha or Rendell from PA?

apples to oranges still…
Obama was in no position to enable the war or oppose it with any real responsibility.
Did you vote for Kerry in 2004?
How can you trust the judgment of folks like Kerry, Daschle and Rockefeller who support Obama then if that is truly your yardstick for not voting for Hillary?
How can two polar opposite “positions” on the war have nearly identical voting records when their time in the Senate overlapped? I’m not buying the Obama stance on the war.

@ lom
Kerry in 04
reminds me of
Obama in 08
They are both LIBERAL, both very popular with my demographic (college students) and with Hollywood personalities, but Kerry had experience and he didn’t have all these “scandals” waiting in the wings.

@ omentum
hey guess what?
the obama strategist that contradicted obama is still in the obama campaign.
at least hillary demoted Penn!

@ LOM
I was 15 when Kerry ran.
I knew he was going lose.
I would have voted Edwards.
Liberal/young support doesn’t translate into winning the general election!
and let’s face it, Kerry is coming out everywhere supporting Obama.
I wonder if this will be a repeat of 04?

John,
Wait a minute…stop the presses!
You’re young and supporting Clinton?
I’m so confused. How can it be? Oh, the same way that I’m educated, have a super automatic espresso machine on my counter (latte) and support Clinton! OMG!
Does Obama know?!

@ LOM
it’s pure bs that the young vote for Obama.
it is 50/50.
i don’t buy this HOPE/CHANGE/BELIEVE/PREACH message of his.
Words will not fix the economy and a speech made in 2002 will not end the war occurring 2008.

WCM — Are you actually trying to make an argument with reason and logic? I think TCG went to go work on his math homework.

what is considered the “youth” vote anyhow?

@LOM
i guess 18-25?
if McCain picks Gov. Charlie Crist, of FLORIDA, this argument between Clinton supporters and Obama supporters is pointless because FLORIDIANS will vote for their hometown governor over a disenfranchiser!
all McCain would need to convince California(which Obama lost), Texas (which Obama lost), Ohio(which Obama lost), New York (which Obama lost), Michigan(which was disenfranchised by the DNC), and Pennsylvania (which is up in the air) to vote for him and he’s the President.

Wow!!! what is happening to the once perceived inevitable nominee, her campaign is getting worse, we can now mirror how she will handle the presidency if she will be the president. The Clinton campaign always put the blame to her Chief Strategist Mr. Penn but think of it, which of the two is at fault, the candidate Hillary or The Chief Strategy Penn, I think the former is the one who is at fault, maybe she is not the right candidate….what a campaign strategy turned into a tragedy.

HEADLINE: CLINTON LOSES PENN…

Those who site the vote total separation at 1% are in error. This is only true when you count the FL & MI votes which are not valid under the DNC’s rule and agreed to by all campaigns. Without those votes, the differential is >700,000 in Senator Obama’s favor. Also, on this website, several causcus states turn-out is represented in terms of district delegates and not the number of voters who cast ballots. If you want to see an objective approach to the popular vote, go to realclearpolitics.com. I have tried many times to get ABC to at least report all the facts in their numbers but I guess the truth doesn’t matter.

John, you wrote: “Same sex marriage is a State’s Rights issue, but so should abortion…” Actually the former is not the case; and, I agree that the latter should be. The difference is marriage is generally considered to be a contract, and abortion is not. The significance in this difference is that Article IV, Sec. 1 of the U. S. Constitution requires that a contract that is legal in one state will be recognized as legal in every other state. So if the courts affirm that marriage is, in fact, a contract, then all states must recognize marriages that may be legally performed in only one or a handful of states.

Since Penn has merely been slapped on the wrist, still works for Clinton, still support the Columbian deal, I wonder if this will have an impact on Hillary’s union support?

Goolsbee is still on staff and head of economic policy!