Obama Explains ‘Bitter’ Comments, but Rivals Pile On
ABC News’ Sunlen Miller and Eloise Harper report: Barack Obama, D-Ill., went further than he has before in admitting that he did not express himself as well as he could have in his initial comments at a San Francisco fundraiser this week about “bitter”small-town Pennsylvania voters.
“I didn’t say it was well as I could have,” Obama confessed today during a town hall in Muncie, Ind., in response to the controversy he described as a “political flare-up because I said something that everyone knows is true.”
He then launched into a broad explanation of what he was trying to express: “There are a whole bunch of folks in small towns in Pennsylvania, in towns right here in Indiana, in my home town in Illinois, who are bitter. They are angry… So I said, well ya know, when you’re bitter, you turn to what you can count on. So people, ya know they vote about guns or they take comfort from their faith, and their family, and their community, and they get mad about illegal immigrants who are coming over to this country, or they get frustrated about how things are changing. That’s a natural response.”
But these traditions that get passed on from generation to generation are important, he said.
“People don’t feel like they’re being listened to," Obama said. "And so they pray and they count on each other and they count on their families. You know this in your own lives. And what we need is a government that is actually paying attention, a government that is actually fighting for working people day in and day out, making sure that we are trying to allow them to live out the American dream.”
Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., speaking in Indianapolis this morning, was quick to pounce on her opponent again for his remarks about people in small-town America.
“Sen. Obama’s remarks are elitist, and they’re out of touch. They are not reflective of the values and beliefs of Americans. Certainly not the Americans I know, not the Americas I grew up with, not the Americans I lived with in Arkansas or represent in New York,” Clinton said at a factory that makes machinery for the military.
Clinton began her speech saying that she too was from a small town, appealing to this audience and others in states she needs to win.
“You know I’m the granddaughter of a factory worker my grandfather went to work at the age of 11, before the child labor laws. He worked in the lace mills in Scranton, Pa. He worked until he retired [at age] 65 mostly six-day work weeks. [He had] very long hours, but it was good work, it was work that gave him a chance to raise his three sons. I grew up in the Midwest, born in Chicago, raised outside of that great city, and I was raised with Midwestern values and an unshakeable faith in America and its promise.”
“Small Town,” by John Mellencamp, blasted through the speakers at the Allison Transmission plant before Clinton got on the stage. The song played on repeat with the verse, “I was raised in a small town” over and over again.
Mellencamp, who endorsed former presidential candidate John Edwards, has not been played much on the campaign trail at Clinton events.
Clinton’s comments echo sentiments expressed by Sen. John McCain adviser Steve Schmidt on Friday. He called Obama’s thoughts on small-town Pennsylvanians a "remarkable statement and extremely revealing … It shows an elitism and condescension towards hardworking Americans that is nothing short of breathtaking. It is hard to imagine someone running for president who is more out of touch with average Americans."
During her speech, Clinton went even further than she did on Friday, attacking Obama for his comments about people clinging to guns and religion.
She said, “You know, Americans who believe in the Second Amendment believe it’s a matter of constitutional right. Americans who believe in God believe it’s a matter of personal faith. Americans who believe in protecting good American jobs believe it’s a matter of the American dream.”
Clinton tried to hammer in the message that Obama’s comments prove he is out of touch, saying, “If we are striving to bring people together, which I believe we should be, I don’t think it helps to divide our country into one America that is enlightened and one that is not.”
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Obama is a caring and compassionate man. He speaks in an extremely HONEST manner. These words can sometimes be jarring to those not disposed or used to hearing the truth from politicians. But there is no doubt that some have exploited wedge issues such as guns, etc to get votes even as the economy is in the tank. Obama basically said that, but inartfully. And he’s right that he could have said it better.
Posted by: nanoa | April 12, 2008, 11:20 am 11:20 am
Obama is a caring and compassionate man. He speaks in an extremely HONEST manner. These words can sometimes be jarring to those not disposed or used to hearing the truth from politicians. But there is no doubt that some have exploited wedge issues such as guns, etc to get votes even as the economy is in the tank. Obama basically said that, but inartfully. And he’s right that he could have said it better.
Posted by: nanoa | April 12, 2008, 11:20 am 11:20 am
Obama said that rust belt people are bible totin gun lovin racists, with antipathy toward people different from themselves. he said what he meant!
Posted by: al | April 12, 2008, 11:22 am 11:22 am
Hey i was listening and watching that rally this morning live on cnn webcast. I really didn’t hear that part
“He then launched into a broad explanation of what he was trying to express: “There are a whole bunch of folks in small towns in Pennsylvania, in towns right here in Indiana, in my home town in Illinois, who are bitter. They are angry… So I said, well ya know, when you’re bitter, you turn to what you can count on. So people, ya know they vote about guns or they take comfort from their faith, and their family, and their community, and they get mad about illegal immigrants who are coming over to this country, or they get frustrated about how things are changing. That’s a natural response.”
Why you have to add something else into the story?
Posted by: change | April 12, 2008, 11:25 am 11:25 am
I find it funny, that Clinton thinks with a straight face that americans will believe she is going to “fight” hard for them when her husband gets money from columbia trade deal and her chief strategist was also making money from the pending trade deal and of course the lies. No to mention the poor leadership trait “do as I say, not as I do”. Obama is truly speaking to the real hurt of americans who been victims of such poor leadership from washington and no amount of spin or excerps will stop him from giving the country real change in Nov.
Posted by: leslie | April 12, 2008, 11:27 am 11:27 am
Anyone that can’t see the despair, bitterness, and in many cases direct hatred that this country is sinking into thanks to the corrupt policies of the last 7.5 years is either blinded by their own wealth or blatently uncaring.
People all across the country are having to make horrible decisions about whether to pay the heating bill or for medicine, whether to buy food or gas, whether to pay the credit cards or the mortgage. Foreclosures and underemployment are rampant and without major changes the future is not promising.
We stuck in a never-ending war costing hundreds of billions of dollars per year and our own country’s poverty rate is escalating rapidly. Our national debt is now spiraling upwards past $30,000 per U.S. citizen. I’ll agree without hesitation that bitterness has crept into the daily lives of Americans. Clinton and McCain may not be witness to it with their hundreds of millions of dollars in family money, but it exists and it’s spreading.
Posted by: Kevin | April 12, 2008, 11:27 am 11:27 am
This man is so stuck on himself
I think this race has gone to his head.
Dear Barrack, take a long vacation.
“I didn’t say it was well as I could have,” Obama confessed today during a town hall in Muncie, Ind., in response to the controversy he described as a “political flare-up because I said something that everyone knows is true.”
Posted by: seah | April 12, 2008, 11:28 am 11:28 am
YOU TOTAL LIAR OBAMA!!!!! There you go again, twisting words to squirm your way out of trouble…you think people are stupid?! You are not capabl of being a senator, never mind President!
GO HILLARY!!!!!
Posted by: D | April 12, 2008, 11:28 am 11:28 am
Only problem is that Obama was talking to his billionair friends to get money from them. What he did not tell you – you morons do not understand what he really means and requires third supplemental explanation- is that he is comparing his rich friends with you poor Pennsylvanian bitter citizens.
Occasionally you got to see his true color. Then, he fools you by accusing you’re less intelligent than he is, not knowing what he means.
Posted by: bitter | April 12, 2008, 11:32 am 11:32 am
Obama said what he said….and some of us heard it. So where was the visual with these stories…remember your Tonya Harding piece on Hillary? The split photo cost her votes for sure…Ever notice how some of the media spins for Obama while giving us a visual of him looking “elegant and credible”
Obama will tell a different story every time he meets with voters…and it will be printed until he buries his original statements from the headlines.
Remember WRIGHT…What Obama actually said has already disappeared from here…now we just get spin from him describing what he said,,,and his spin is so much kinder than the truth.
Posted by: Jackie | April 12, 2008, 11:33 am 11:33 am
THIS IS WHAT HE SAID DOES IT SOUND LIKE WHAT HE SAyS HE SAID
“You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years. … And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”
Posted by: Jackie | April 12, 2008, 11:36 am 11:36 am
Mccain and Clinton are trying to paint him as a bad guy for bringing up the truth. Why can’t someone address the fact that anger and bitterness exhists? We are human, that happens, those two seem like they are trying to ignore reality, especially when they say Baraxk is out of touch. Yes because Barack made 140 mill since 2000… Wait that was the clintons, and I’m sure there are many people from PENN that made that much…
Think logically and truthfully. Its pretty easy.
Posted by: mike | April 12, 2008, 11:36 am 11:36 am
So since Obama now knows that small town folk get bitter because illegal immigrants are coming to this country to take their jobs, is he still in favor of giving them drivers licenses?
Seems to me when he was running in TX, he had a different story he did not seems to feel illegals were a problem them, or that anyone in America was worried about it, but I guess his attitudes changes from state to sate.
Posted by: SJ | April 12, 2008, 11:36 am 11:36 am
LIAR OBAMA LIAR OBAMA
Is he going to make another speech or pass out free KOOL-AID??
Posted by: Jeisa | April 12, 2008, 11:38 am 11:38 am
Comments like ‘Bitter’ will sink you Mr. Obama. So what you are telling me Mr.Obama is that i am bitter because i lost my Job, i am bitter that i can’t pay my bills on time, i am bitter that my children are not getting the food and healthcare they need, that i am bitter and am turning to the almighty GOD for help. WOW MR.OBAMA WOW. people like you make me SICK.
Posted by: Sam | April 12, 2008, 11:39 am 11:39 am
Obama showing his Racism once again:
Talking about the Typical White People of PA, ”they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”
The only thing he can relate to is the black community. What if McCain had said the same thing about the black community?
Posted by: Wow | April 12, 2008, 11:40 am 11:40 am
He’s trying to make it about Bitterness but that is trying to deflect from the real issue.
I think the error of these few words, just words, from Obama are not about bitterness. He and Michelle are the bitter ones and bitter people tend to think others are too.
I think he will pay for linking the bitterness to religion. I am not a religious person but my family and friends down in NC are. Their religion is a focal point of their social life and it is the exact opposite of bitter. It is a joyous, sharing and caring social life that was in fact there long before the jobs left.
Posted by: NewHampster | April 12, 2008, 11:40 am 11:40 am
Obama is telling it like it is.
Posted by: maritza | April 12, 2008, 11:40 am 11:40 am
The Messiah has explained himself again,enough said.
Posted by: roncraw | April 12, 2008, 11:41 am 11:41 am
obama said he said something that everyone knows is true. What is this guy smoking? he is so full of himself, that he makes me sick. Obama is an arogant bastard. Small town PA and Indiana just went bye bye for Obama.
GO HILLARY.
Posted by: Jonathan | April 12, 2008, 11:41 am 11:41 am
So what Obama is right…The only thing he forgot to mention was Nascar and Red White and Blue beer.
Posted by: davis | April 12, 2008, 11:41 am 11:41 am
Looks like “American Woman” is a paid by the Obama campaign!
What kind of person would change candidates because they said they are more in touch with the American people.
Sorry “American Woman” we are not buying it!
Posted by: SUE | April 12, 2008, 11:43 am 11:43 am
I guess to say what I realy mean is… sounds better than what I said was true but I don’t want to say I am lying to you now. Confused as I am? You bitter voters need to go to Harvard so you can have enough intelligence as Obama to understand what he means.
Posted by: confused | April 12, 2008, 11:43 am 11:43 am
Sam. Yes, that does sound like what he said. Isn’t it true? He was trying to be sympathetic, but the anti-elitism in this country seems to always blind people into voting against the candidates that would actually do them the most good. And so they get the likes of Bush to screw them over some more.
Posted by: jock59801 | April 12, 2008, 11:44 am 11:44 am
How many times is Obama going to call white people bigots and get away with it?
He is projecting his own hatred for other races.
“they cling to … antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment”
He says typical white people have no sympathy for people who are not like them… Why is it okay for him to talk like this?
Hillary is the only person who can unify this country.
Posted by: Joe | April 12, 2008, 11:46 am 11:46 am
No Obama, Guns are the guarantee we have that our rights are not trampled on.
Posted by: Patriot 2008 | April 12, 2008, 11:47 am 11:47 am
Stop explaining yourself. I’m tired of your excuses and explanations. If a presidential candidate has to explain that yes they are patriotic and yes they do love America they are not going to be elected. Period. Be it a democrat or a Republican. Pride in America should eminate from a candidate naturally, no questions about it. It should not have to be packaged and sold to the voters. We can get plastic idols in Hollywood. Hillary or McCain for POTUS.
Posted by: Joe | April 12, 2008, 11:47 am 11:47 am
PEOPLE PLEASE READ WHAT OBAMA SAID.NOW THINK FOR YOUR SELVES.AND IF YOU ARE HONEST WITH YOUR SELVES YOU KNOW HE DID’NT MEAN WHAT THEY’RE TRYING TO SPIN THIS THING INTO.
Posted by: morris evans | April 12, 2008, 11:47 am 11:47 am
Obama, you always try to defend yourself even if you said something wrong. Give me a break. You think you can fool the rest of the Americans, not me.
Posted by: MOMTOBABY | April 12, 2008, 11:49 am 11:49 am
He’s a piece of work. That’s all this country needs, a president who more often than not looks to the more experienced for direction and who more often than not puts his foot in his mouth and later scrambles to cover up. Scary times for America.
Posted by: catherine in nm | April 12, 2008, 11:50 am 11:50 am
Obama is just trying to make an excuse for another 10 point loss headed his way in another swing state. Saying the people of Pennsylvania are dumb and bitter. If that is true, wouldn’t they be flocking to his campaign? The so called “outsider” and “Change man”. Maybe the people of Pennsylvania recognize this man as a unaccomplished career political charlatan!
Posted by: John in Cape May | April 12, 2008, 11:52 am 11:52 am
Joe – It would not be OK for him to talk like that. But fortunately he didn’t.
Posted by: jock59801 | April 12, 2008, 11:53 am 11:53 am
It still sounds like he is looking down on small towns lie they’re backwards hicks because they believe in prayer as a comfort. He doesn’t have a clue
Posted by: Kardasia_Prime | April 12, 2008, 11:54 am 11:54 am
Morris Evans,
That’s right Obama did not mean exactly what he said. He only meant what he himself is trying to spin it to, not what other people are trying to spin it to.
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Now is not the time to give up on Obama!
Maybe he can fix this!
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Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | April 12, 2008, 11:54 am 11:54 am
Obama has committed another “bone-headed” mistake which once again shows his arrogance and contempt for the Americans he wants to lead. If people don’t buy his message, (Ohio, PA)there’s something wrong with them. That’s what Samantha Power said, that’s what he’s saying. It’s just about time for another major address, a dazzling blast of puffery from Obama on “The Bitterness of Middle America”. Chris Matthews will get the tingling feeling down his leg again, and we’ll all be healed.
Posted by: hopesprings52 | April 12, 2008, 11:54 am 11:54 am
What the hell are Clinton and McCain and the media all in a huff about, what the heck are they talking about? OBAMA IS ABSOLUTELY ONE THOUSAND PERCENT CORRECT! They’re just angry, jealous, that they didn’t say it first. I live in Pennsylvania. Just yesterday a long time Pennsylvania stopped by and started talking about the Dixie Cup plant that closed, about how those jobs went to Mexico and about how the plants are closed and the mills, and the outsourcing of jobs that were once here, and it’s ironic because he started talking about his guns and how angry he was about the lack of jobs here and the frustrations of the people. So I can’t for the life of me figure out what Hillary and McCain and everyone else is yakking about over what Obama said. He is absolutely correct. He is telling the truth. He has the pulse of the American people here. We are very frustrated about Iraq too and feel that Iraq is the big reason the gas is so high, why the economy is in the toilet. So it is not Obama who is the elitest and out of touch, IT IS CLINTON AND MCCAIN WHO ARE THE ELITESTS AND OUT OF TOUCH WITH US! Go Obama, and thank you!!!
Posted by: Ruthie | April 12, 2008, 11:55 am 11:55 am
Being at one time a young, gay student at a small college in Elkins, WVA, I did not hide on campus. This was the early seventies and black students at the school[mostly from the D.C area] were involved in this new religious theology that had no need for urban or rural whites. I didn’t isolate like the blacks, but went and got a job at the local A&P. It was a wonderful experience and removed any notion that the “locals” were bitter, angry, gun-totting, bible preaching, racists as Obama has explained them. The store in Parsons catered to locals, miners{about every two weeks when they were in town, their families, and the mountain people. They were dirt poor yet we all enjoyed the day God gave us and enjoyed a good story or the latest talk. Proud and feeling like we were almost in Heaven like the song said. Today Obama does not get it just like the black students and never really got to know the people I learned to love. So please BO don’t try to change your words because myself and many others know how you really think. YOU JUST DON’T GET IT!
Posted by: Kenny from CT. | April 12, 2008, 11:55 am 11:55 am
Just keep diggin that hole.
Posted by: s.b. | April 12, 2008, 11:55 am 11:55 am
Obama Supporters, think for a second.
If Hillary had made these insensitive statements, she would have been raked over the coals immediately! Tee shirts would have been printed slamming her….she would have been asked to step down….more Tanya Harding type pictures would have surfaced. You all hold him to a totally different standard. How could this man make such a “bonehead” comment at this point in the game?! And you all want him as president? I agree….I see now that he doesn’t even qualify to be a senator. He is just a good talker with rich connections. I used to drink the Obama koolaid….not any more!
Sign me…..Recovered Obama addict
Posted by: AK | April 12, 2008, 11:56 am 11:56 am
Obama didn’t tell the people at the fundraiser that “people take comfort in their faith.” He said, “they cling to guns and religion and antipathy . . .” He spoke about religion in a manner that he thought was acceptable to his audience. Obama is a two-faced person and knows nothing about religion or small-town people. Religion is about union with God, union with Jesus, eternal life, morality, and much more. Obama is a fake.
Posted by: Benjamin | April 12, 2008, 11:57 am 11:57 am
Clinton, her campaign and her supporters have to find some reason to criticize and condemn Obama. Why is this? They have nothing of any importance to say.
Posted by: kent | April 12, 2008, 11:57 am 11:57 am
Jock59801,
Who do you think he is talking about who live in the small towns in PA who “cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”
If McCain had said the same thing about inner cities he would be equated with David Duke.
Posted by: Joe | April 12, 2008, 11:57 am 11:57 am
Ruthie,
That’s right. You’re right. Obama is right. Those small town hicks are just bitter, and if Bill Clinton or George Bush had brought them a job they would not need guns and they would not need religion.
As I think about it, we could be just like the People’s Republic. Everybody is happy in that country (well, except maybe not people from Tibet).
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Elect Obama!
He can make us as happy as China!
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Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | April 12, 2008, 11:58 am 11:58 am
The sad thing is the Obamites will explain this away and say it means nothing as the did with Wright and Rezko.But if Hillary burps shes an animal.
Posted by: roncraw | April 12, 2008, 11:58 am 11:58 am
Barack Obama is anything but a typical politician.
At this point in the campaign, Hillary is sucking up to blue collar voters with money and compliments. Politics as usual. It’s been going on for 30 years as our industrial bases erodes further and jobs do not return.
Obama is displaying enormous courage to state the truth without hesitation.
If you were in Pennsylvania, working for a fraction of your father’s wages, and you heard Mother Hillary making the same old political promises, you would be bitter, too.
Barack is different. He’s the guy we’ve been waiting for.
Posted by: gorgon '08 | April 12, 2008, 11:59 am 11:59 am
So, for Obama, religion is salvation, but for poor whites religion is something to cling to in bitterness, along with their “antipathy to others.”
Um, hello out there. This man has something wrong with him.
Posted by: al | April 12, 2008, 12:00 pm 12:00 pm
Now Obama’s true colors are coming out! Every time he opens his mouth he puts a foot in it! He’s finished!
Posted by: jim | April 12, 2008, 12:00 pm 12:00 pm
He wasn’t saying that people are religious BECAUSE they are bitter. He was saying that religion becomes bitter and divisive when people themselves are bitter and angry. They take their bitterness to the things that they love, especially religion. Obama is himself a religious man…let’s not get make something out of nothing.
Posted by: Jeremy | April 12, 2008, 12:00 pm 12:00 pm
I am pretty bitter about America’s direction and the greed that our politicians have that has screwed up this wonderful place.
I agree with Obama and think both McCain and Hillary can let the voters speak for themselves rather than tell them what they are or are not offended by. Obama is the only true patriotic American running…the others have sold us all out for the power.
An American Veteran and true patriot
Posted by: Nathan | April 12, 2008, 12:01 pm 12:01 pm
Kent,
The gaffes that Obama makes are all Clinton’s fault. If she would just stop running he wouldn’t even be making mistakes right now. Clinton is forcing him to do it just to keep things going. He didn’t want to say bad things about people from Pennsylvania it just came out. Maybe Clinton has a secret ventriloquist who has infiltrated his campaign!
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It’s all Clinton’s fault!
She put a secret ventriloquist on Obama’s campaign!
Obama has become Howdy Doody!
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Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | April 12, 2008, 12:01 pm 12:01 pm
This is were Ed Rendell needs to come out and defend the people of his great state Pennsylvania! Go GET HIM ED!
Posted by: John in Cape May | April 12, 2008, 12:02 pm 12:02 pm
It may be touch some folks’ pride but Obama spoke the truth. Working people here in the Midwest, including many friends of mine, have lost decent-paying jobs with benefits, and are jobless. We take temporary work as day-paid “contract employees” (no benefits, no job rights) just to keep our heads up. A lot of people blame “the corporations” and they are largely to blame but the corporations are just following the trade policies set up by the federal government. Loyal Americans, many veterans, the working people are unable to challenge our government’s trade policies that have ruined a lot of U.S. communities and peoples’ lives. Yes, it’s true that people here still can enjoy hunting and other outdoor sports, without steady pay. Without a job, a man has a lot of free time to locate deer trails but we’d rather be back at our jobs, believe me. Everyone of us.
Posted by: BillBlue | April 12, 2008, 12:02 pm 12:02 pm
I don’t like the idea that Obama basically put down people and their Christian values in their times of troubles, i.e., unemployment. Many churches will gather around families to help them through these times. Thats why we have faith. I don’t think Obama understands this concept. He has really struck a nerve with small town people, not only in Pennsylvania, but across America. I think this will be BIGGER than the Wright episode, because, the candidate, Obama, said this himself. No matter how he tries to justify it, he said it, thats it, he can’t lie his way out of this one. This will hurt his campaign very, very much. Small town values are what America is built on….I would venture to say that the Super Delegates will start recanting their support of him. He has just made himself “unelectable” in America. Welcome as the Democratic nominee, Mrs. Clinton….Obama just voted for you!
Posted by: david from texas | April 12, 2008, 12:02 pm 12:02 pm
gorgon ’08,
You are right (or Wright), Obama is not a typical politician because he has no experience and he makes average politicians look honest.
Posted by: sue | April 12, 2008, 12:03 pm 12:03 pm
Yet again Obama or his handlers comes out and says he meant this but not what he actually said. This has become ridiculous. At some point you have to be responsible for your statements!
Posted by: kblckwd | April 12, 2008, 12:03 pm 12:03 pm
I would have to disagree with Obama I don’t think that his original remarks ro his spinning are “true” about the people he seeks to serve…
I didn’t think Wrights anti-white…anti-American hate speech was reflective of how all Blacks feel either…
If you want to characterize or take his original words out of context it seems to me he is saying….”small town typical white people are bitter, gun-toting religious bigots who are or anti-immigrant seclusionists whose anger is spilling out in their preference for Hillary.”
I think that he said exactly what he meant…lets see how long it takes the media to hide it and spin it for him!
Posted by: Jackie | April 12, 2008, 12:03 pm 12:03 pm
Seems to me time and again he has said something negative towards white people and some how he continues to get away with it.
Posted by: lois | April 12, 2008, 12:04 pm 12:04 pm
So all small town people are racist, snobs, who vote on guns or religion. Nice pandering to San Francisco values. This guy is an elitist, pig, no morals. Vote Hillary or McCain. Disgusting “typical” of a Black liberal Politician – using HIS own words against him
Posted by: Dean O | April 12, 2008, 12:04 pm 12:04 pm
Some of the people posting here appear to be basing their comments on a snippet of a few words, and completely ignore the question Obama was responding to.
Obama was asked why more people were not supporting him in Pennsylvania (despite the fact that Hillary was only 4% ahead in a recent poll).
His reply was that many people in rural Pennsylvania had been hurt by economic change, and were frustrated that politicians had come and promised help many times but never delivered, and it was hard for them to believe someone who they don’t know.
Don’t believe me? Read or listen to the whole question and answer yourself.
When you do, you will see that this man was expressing his empathy and support for the people in rural Pennsylvania, not trashing them.
The GDP of the United States is twice what it was in 1980. Have the wages of the middle class doubled since then? This is because the Republicans have been systematically changing the rules to benefit the wealthiest 1% of Americans, at the expense of the rest of us.
Growth in the economy is necessary, but not sufficient. We need to write the rules to direct some of that growth to the middle class, for a change.
Posted by: WS | April 12, 2008, 12:05 pm 12:05 pm
No I’m sorry from Obama I misspoke.How much does he pay for his no fault ins.I would like to buy some.
Posted by: Bishop | April 12, 2008, 12:05 pm 12:05 pm
Wow, you guys are truly stupid. When times are hard ie, gas prices are rising, food prices are rising, you have to cut back on your own spending, and you actually have to see how many days you can actually drive on a tank of gas, you do get bitter. That is the truth. You guys are funny, you are looking for something to take out of context with Obama. “I know that Black Bastard is going to screw up eventually, when he does, I’m gonna jump all over it.” And for those that still think the media is out to get Hillary, hey now you finally got an article about Obama. Thank god he finally messed up. If anybody is out of touch with reality, it Hillary. Her little response to what Obama said. “Oh no, that’s not what I see here in Pennsylvania, I don’t see bitterness.” Oh no people don’t get bitter, when their money doesn’t stretch the way it used to. The get all happy and say hey its ok, it’ll get better. STUPID…LOL
Posted by: Jason | April 12, 2008, 12:06 pm 12:06 pm
“This is were Ed Rendell needs to come out and defend the people of his great state Pennsylvania! Go GET HIM ED!
John In Cape May”
Perhaps Ed Rendell should expain why his State is in the shape it is in. What is Ed doing?
Posted by: Thinking | April 12, 2008, 12:07 pm 12:07 pm
How is Obama correct? If Americans people feel bitter and “cling” to those things rather than try to advance themselves then there wouldn’t be America. Now, when he talked to those rich Californians, he referred to you small town as “they”, which mean he includes himself as “we” with them. How can you think of a guy sticks his nose up in the air all time is not arrogance?? some of you think McCain and Clinton are millionaires but not Obama? it’s just that he makes less than them that doesn’t mean he’s not rich. You can be bittered about the economy but I hope that you try to advance yourself and not just “cling” to something (anti-immigrant?? aren’t we all immigrant??). Cannot believe some of you don’t think this is an insult. by the way, I thought he stood firm with his statement yesterday. Why is there a change of heart to explain it today?
Posted by: hannah | April 12, 2008, 12:10 pm 12:10 pm
The media thinks people choosing a president can’t read a whole paragraph of the comment and just not a one sentence excerpt from the media. We understand and seek truth, we are “bitter” about politicians not listening and helping only the wealthy. The media is one one who thinks we are stupid. Make something out of nothing, must be a slow political day.
Posted by: Gwen PA | April 12, 2008, 12:10 pm 12:10 pm
Not only do people “like they’re being listened to” – they actually aren’t being listened to. And they won’t until they organize en mass.
The only possibility for social progress and pro-people, government policy is to develop strategies to hold those in power accountable. Corporations use money. Those without money have to use people power which means organizing.
Posted by: Fred Frith | April 12, 2008, 12:11 pm 12:11 pm
The media is going to spin this story and try to “water” it down. I agree with David from Texas. The difference here, is that OBAMA said this himself…no fabrication, no paper trails, nothing to hide under. He said it and you can bet the American voter will keep this in their mind in the upcoming primaries, and, if he wins the nomination, in the General Election. First, he supported racist remarks, shady deals with Rezko, lied about NAFTA, lets his wife run around like a loose cannon, now put down blue collar white America, and last night, heard that in Puerto Rico, he has shady dealings down there with a drug lord. This guy is a fake….keep posting, everyone….force the media to put Obama out there for who he really is! We are tired of his deception…..its time for him to drop out!
Posted by: jack | April 12, 2008, 12:11 pm 12:11 pm
I hate it when people say how caring and compassionate Obama is. So…are they saying the other candidates are not as equally so? How do they know anyway what these people are REALLY like?
I will vote for Obama because he is the candidate for change! I agree with his values! He practices a different kind of politics!
How can people say that?? It is the same as years ago when Bush voters said they voted for him because he was the kind of man that I can hang out with and drink a beer. What is that?!
What are Obama’s values? Oh…wait..he wants to bring the country together. And the other candidates don’t? I remember when the Clinton’s were loved by the Black community. The Clinton’s were very active LONG ago with the Civil Rights Movement. Of course people seem to have forgotten that.
It angers me when people vote for a candidate based on race, based on the promises they make to benefit YOU, based on religion, based on gender, based on likability, based on looks, based on age and so on.
Voters are so uninformed about the candidates….it is sad. You need to open your eyes to the good and bad, the ISSUES, how much will it cost to put their “promised” ides into place and so on.
Posted by: Raleigh Voter | April 12, 2008, 12:11 pm 12:11 pm
Someone above referred to Obama as the only patriotic candidate? If he makes it to the general, we’ll see how patriotic he is standing next to McCain. Last, I knew, McCain served his country proudly and was a war hero and his love of his country has never come under question. Think Obama can hold up to that same scrutiny? He cannot and will not beat McCain. He has too many anti-American sentiments that keep slipping out. And you can’t get much more American than small town America.
Posted by: Julie | April 12, 2008, 12:12 pm 12:12 pm
It is sad when truth becomes a dirty word.
Senator Obama is right on the money and he has my vote.
Just call me angry, frustrated and bitter in Texas.
Deward B
White, 48, Male, Professional, Business Owner.
Posted by: Deward Bowles | April 12, 2008, 12:12 pm 12:12 pm
Obama will give us another landmark speech about “BITTER SMALL TOWN AMERICANS” just like he gave us all that B.S. in his “RACE RELATIONS SPEECH” but like Reverend Wright this one will not go away…
Posted by: Antonn | April 12, 2008, 12:13 pm 12:13 pm
Maybe it’s true that what he says is the truth except that it reflects more to the Blacks who lives in South side of chicago. It seems like it. They are bitter so they cling onto religion to listen to the spewing hate of white to help them cool their bitterness.
Posted by: hannah | April 12, 2008, 12:15 pm 12:15 pm
I think Obama needs to stop drinking his own bath water. I am afraid his new-found power and popularity is quickly going to his head. Arrogance is a dangerous quality to have in a president.
Posted by: Andrea | April 12, 2008, 12:15 pm 12:15 pm
Although I do not plan on voting for Obama, I am dismayed at the reaction of those who would take his comments so out of context. Whatever your political persuasion; whatever your educational level; whatever your ethnicity; whether you live in the country, a small town or a big city; allow yourself to take a deep breath to consider what the man is saying. Can any of us refute our own tendency to do what Obama has said; when we feel powerless, we tend to take solace in those things we feel we can control. Is that controversial?As an adult, I respect anyone who speaks to me about the hard issues, even if I may not always be as informed about the things being addresses. The last thing I will ever respect is someone who things they have use emotion, distraction, and division to get my attention. It is sad that in America, so many of us are unable to appreciate the efforts of someone who has the courage to take on difficult issues by validating our ability to “get it”. Anyone who things Obama was being disrespectful is probably projecting his own belief that others really are inferior.American history is replete with examples of politicians who would resort to te kind of emotional distractions that Hillary Clinton is resorting to. Sadly, many of these posts reveal that many of us are still prone to “take the bait”.
Posted by: Brandt | April 12, 2008, 12:16 pm 12:16 pm
Although I do not plan on voting for Obama, I am dismayed at the reaction of those who would take his comments so out of context. Whatever your political persuasion; whatever your educational level; whatever your ethnicity; whether you live in the country, a small town or a big city; allow yourself to take a deep breath to consider what the man is saying. Can any of us refute our own tendency to do what Obama has said; when we feel powerless, we tend to take solace in those things we feel we can control. Is that controversial?As an adult, I respect anyone who speaks to me about the hard issues, even if I may not always be as informed about the things being addresses. The last thing I will ever respect is someone who things they have use emotion, distraction, and division to get my attention. It is sad that in America, so many of us are unable to appreciate the efforts of someone who has the courage to take on difficult issues by validating our ability to “get it”. Anyone who things Obama was being disrespectful is probably projecting his own belief that others really are inferior.American history is replete with examples of politicians who would resort to te kind of emotional distractions that Hillary Clinton is resorting to. Sadly, many of these posts reveal that many of us are still prone to “take the bait”.
Posted by: Brandt | April 12, 2008, 12:16 pm 12:16 pm
Clinton and McCain are the elitists. Google all three candidates and find out for yourself (I’m assuming you’re capable). Obama will be president. Get used to it.
Posted by: Matt | April 12, 2008, 12:17 pm 12:17 pm
I am a West Point grad with a West Point son being deployed to Iraq next month and a daughter who spent a tour in Iraq. We love our country and work hard every day. But, we are bitter, not at our country but at the likes of the Clintons who supposedly oppose a war, but won’t apologize for their earlier support of that war and who oppose NAFTA and CAFTA but whose family and friends make hundreds of thousands of dollars supporting the very trade agreements which Hillary now supposedly opposes. We are bitter because of the deceptions which Hillary and the Republicans in DC have thrust upon us for years. Hillary, this is not about sound bites, this is about the truth. Tell us again about the fairy tale of Bosnian combat experience and opposition to trade deals which were advocated and signed in the Clinton administration of which you are so proud. Keep telling the truth, Barack. Start telling the truth, Hillary.
Posted by: Ron | April 12, 2008, 12:17 pm 12:17 pm
At least he didn’t go running and saying that he misspoke. He stood very firm on what he said, and If you listen to what the audio tape says, and what he said today, they are the exact same. The truth is people are bitter. The truth is when times get hard what do many people do, they go to pray in hopes that GOD will make them better. As far as the guns thing, I don’t know so much. It is plain as day that there is an Anti-immigrant hatred especially there in Pennsylvania. Was it or was it not a PA judge that ordered those to men to learn english or go to jail. Honestly I thought it was a weird sentence, but really good.
Posted by: Jason | April 12, 2008, 12:17 pm 12:17 pm
How many times will he restate his comments until he gets it “just right?” Come on! Obama’s elitist feelings are shining all around and come out when he doesn’t have a script. Wake up America before it’s too late!
Posted by: Toby | April 12, 2008, 12:17 pm 12:17 pm
Somebody has to explain to Clinton and McCain that people are frustrated and bitter when the economy is in recession and many are losing their homes? Wow! what great presidents they’d make.
Yeah, people are frustrated and bitter and with good reasons.
Posted by: mabs | April 12, 2008, 12:18 pm 12:18 pm
You can parse his words all you like. He probably could have said it in a more politically acceptable fashion. However, whether you like Obama or not, his central point is correct. The middle class and working poor have taken it on the chin in the last decade. The government, back when Bill Clinton was president, changed the formula for computing real growth and inflation to make measured inflation smaller and measured growth larger: The “growth” we have experienced since then really isn’t what it used to be. Are any of you really such fools as to think this is inflation of 3-4% you’ve been experiencing? If you doubt me on this, google “Shadow Government Statistics” or “Boskin Commission.” By reducing measured inflation the government has been able to reduce cost of living adjustments to social security and collect more income taxes (which are indexed to measured inflation).
Posted by: Ron | April 12, 2008, 12:19 pm 12:19 pm
I think the following is a true statement and that Obama should not run from it as we are getting close to the true porblems in America “So it’s not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations,” If someone was to say the following about NON- white working class/underprivileged folks, although equally true, they would be run out on a rail: “So it’s not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to entitlements and handouts or claims of racism or the wright to break laws without consequence or their right to high union wages and free health care as a way to explain their frustrations,”
Posted by: dannyc | April 12, 2008, 12:19 pm 12:19 pm
david from texas – Obama is a member of a church known for gathering around families to help them through hard times. He gave tens of thousands of dollars to them for that very purpose. Much of his early work in community service was in helping steelworkers who had lost their jobs. It was one of the things that helped form his opinions of what the country needs to change. Do not be so quick to think you have him all figured out because of one interpretation of a few words.
Posted by: jock59801 | April 12, 2008, 12:19 pm 12:19 pm
It is one thing to say that people are bitter and angry. It is another to say that they ignorantly blame their problems on immigration or stupidly go to church. Someone who has attended Harvard Law School should have to constantly backtrack and explain his words because he let the cat out of the bag letting his true feelings be known. Anyone who votes for this clown is a fool.
Posted by: Helen | April 12, 2008, 12:20 pm 12:20 pm
You Obamabots are missing the whole point. People may be bitter, but that is NOT why they have their religion and not why they enjoy their guns (hunting).
He just slammed every small town person of faith who loves to hunt as recreation.
This is Obama’s Howard Dean scream moment. Adios.
Posted by: Rob | April 12, 2008, 12:20 pm 12:20 pm
As I read the comments defending Obama, I wondered how many were paid Obama trolls going from website to website trying to defend the indefensible. I’m tired of the W.O.R.M. (What Obama Really Means) method. Get over it! Obama has no qualifications and should never have gotten this far in an election for President of the United States.
Posted by: Jamie | April 12, 2008, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm
How can a Harvard Law School graduate be so “inartful,” but GWB is stupid when he flubs a word. Typical liberals being led by the nose!
Posted by: Helen | April 12, 2008, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm
Once again Obama hit the nail right on the head. Of course many people are bitter. Who shouldn´t be bitter when the economy is in the toilet, we´ve had a war mongering president the last 8 years who has trashed the US´s reputation throughout the world, personal privacy and the Constitution? Sheesh.. some people can´t handle the truth.
Posted by: George | April 12, 2008, 12:22 pm 12:22 pm
Why was this a gaffe? What he said was a honest criticism, NOT of working class Americans, but of the major political parties. Only if you take the last part of the statement and remove from the first do you even get close to something that might turn off some voters. Actually he sounds a bit like Edwards when he says people a fed up and angry.
The truth is Obama’s statements are being spun by Clinton and McCain because they show he is more in touch with ordinary peoples lives than they are. It was Bush then Clinton then Bush that handed more and more power to big business. McCain and HRC voted for and supported those policies. Never were policies like deregulation or NAFTA written is a way that benefited Wall ST. and Main St. equally.
So of course people are pissed. And why would working people vote their economic interests? Bill Clinton exploited the feeling or poor, working class and black people and then once in power served Walmart’s interests over theirs. So yeah Obama is right people turn to other things, things close to them.
Why is that a gaffe? He didn’t make a gaffe, McCain and Clinton are doing spin!
Clinton needs to run her own campaign and stop hurting the other DEM. If she’s the best choice show us. Only reason Obama isn’t being praised as insightful for this comment is because he is fighting a two front war. And if anyone wonders if he’s politically tough enough…he’s fighting both McCain and Clinton and holding his own.
Posted by: Soy Boy | April 12, 2008, 12:22 pm 12:22 pm
Mark my words…THIS will HELP him!…folks ARE ANGRY! And, yes, bitter…we want change.
Posted by: Carl | April 12, 2008, 12:22 pm 12:22 pm
Im so tired of hearing this elitist term. Most if not all politicians are elitists. They may all not act like it. But I would like for you to show me one Senator, or House Rep, Pres/VP. That are not very very wealthy. Stop with the Elitist talk, that is the most moronic term to use for any politician.
Posted by: Jason | April 12, 2008, 12:23 pm 12:23 pm
Every democrat strategist on CNN last night rated this a 10 on a scale of 1 to 10 how bad this comment was. One even said it was an 11. They all said this could be what the superdelegates need to vote for Hillary. Yowser!
Posted by: Jo | April 12, 2008, 12:23 pm 12:23 pm
Some posters on this noted that Obama used the word “clinging” not another word like comfort or solace. Clinging is a negative judgment on those beliefs or interests, and implies that people need to be pulled away from things like guns or religion. Everyone knows that people are upset and want change and that the status quo isn’t working. But, instead of appreciating people for who they are and what they believe in he says they are “clinging”,a word loaded with judgment!
Posted by: hopesprings52 | April 12, 2008, 12:23 pm 12:23 pm
Once again, Obama says it like it is. It’s about time.
Posted by: jg | April 12, 2008, 12:24 pm 12:24 pm
He didn’t say it clear enough because he was not making a one of his pandering campaign speeches. Instead he was pandering to wealhy BIG town supporters.
Posted by: Tom NYC | April 12, 2008, 12:25 pm 12:25 pm
Carl, as I said before you Obamabots are missing the point.
It’s not saying they are “bitter” that is the worst part — it’s saying they turn to religion and guns and bigotry because of it!
That’s an INSULT to the nth degree. And your blindness to it won’t diminish it’s impact.
Posted by: Rob | April 12, 2008, 12:25 pm 12:25 pm
Obama tells the truth, and he has done it out of compassion and hope and respect for the very Americans he is referring to. He DOES know something about the bitterness of Americans. He is the most honest of the three still running. Hillary is a liar and a panderer. As a rural white middle-aged Christian woman, he best exemplifies my Christian values.
Posted by: anotherpatricia | April 12, 2008, 12:25 pm 12:25 pm
He’s not going to win. Deomocrats need to accept this and start looking for a qualified 2012 candidate that has a realistic chance to win. The whitehouse might as well order the McCain stationery.
Posted by: Julie | April 12, 2008, 12:26 pm 12:26 pm
Sure, Obama misspoke he meant these words for his own Church members, They endorsed a Church that is anti_American, anti-jewish and racist..that’s how they express their BITTERNESS plus I am sure they are holding on to their guns in case anyone tries to stop them from going to listen to Reverend Wright.
Posted by: Antonn | April 12, 2008, 12:26 pm 12:26 pm
If some of you are as worried about the economy and war as you say you are, you would be voting for Clinton, as she is a proven fighter who gets the job done. You are taking a huge risk with Obama.
Posted by: Andrea | April 12, 2008, 12:26 pm 12:26 pm
Barack Obama:
Good for South Carolina,
Bad for the rest of America
Posted by: wnytoby | April 12, 2008, 12:27 pm 12:27 pm
What is going on here? Wake up, people. Obama clings to his church, won’t let go and attributes the feelings to working class whites. Stop trying to explain him and take it for what it is: his real world view, his own bitterness, and his own negative feelings about whites.
Posted by: al | April 12, 2008, 12:27 pm 12:27 pm
We cling to our guns??? As opposed to having them taken away.
We take comfort in our faith and families??? As opposed to trusting the government.
We are angry that illegal aliens are a huge financial burden especially to low and middle income families??? As opposed to serious enforcement of the law.
I would say that Obama has it right… we are ANGRY.
BUT OBAMA IS PART OF THE PROBLEM NOT THE SOLUTION!!!!!!!!
These are the policies that he supports!!!
Posted by: Jbrown | April 12, 2008, 12:27 pm 12:27 pm
Tell me how he slammed people. He was speaking the truth. And many of you people in here are attempting to disect the truth, and spin it. He didn’t lie and he didn’t run from his words. Like Hillary had to run with her head down to a vehicle, because she had to dodge those invisible sniper rounds. Let me tell you something about a combat zone. I don’t care were it is, you don’t forget being shot at. When you are being shot at, there is a fear that goes through your body, that will never let you “misspeak” about it. Somebody needs to speak the truth, because some people cannot.
Posted by: Jason | April 12, 2008, 12:27 pm 12:27 pm
No wonder the press was banned from this event. Now everyone gets to know where Obama said it – on Billionaires Row in San Fran, among a gathering of ultra rich. Oh this is just tooooo good! :)
Posted by: Jo | April 12, 2008, 12:28 pm 12:28 pm
Good Lord, is this the best that Hillary and McCain can come up with? Everybody and their mama knows what Obama said…meant to say….and that it is 100% true what he said…PEOPLE ARE VERY ANGRY AND VERY UPSET WITH THE STATUS QUO; AND, THE USUAL POLITICS IS TO DISTRACT THEM WITH SIDE ISSUES. Look, during the peak of the Iraq debacle, Bush won re-election by shifting the focus onto gay marriages, which caused 11 states to ammend their state constitutions over something that affects a very, very small percentage of the population and had nothing to do with the war. Once again, rather than stay focused on the things that matter, such as THE ECONOMY,Hillary and McCain want to pounce on Barack and falsely portray him to be an elitist….when everyone knows that the elitist is McCain with his $100 million dollar wife who was born with a silver spoon stuck in her mouth.
Posted by: Fed Up White Man | April 12, 2008, 12:29 pm 12:29 pm
Obama only has compassion for himself. His statement shows he has contempt for the working class American. He attended all private schools his entire life. How does he know what working Americans need and feel? Obama, go back to the Chicago Political Machine and leave America’s problems to be repaired by people who know what they are doing.
Posted by: God Bless America | April 12, 2008, 12:30 pm 12:30 pm
Somebody said “WHETHER WHAT ABOUT SAID WAS TRUE OR NOT” That was all that needed to be said. It was the truth. No matter how you feel about how he said it, IT WAS THE TRUTH. If you wanna go on about your Anti Obama speech. You should not have included that. You lost all validity with those words.
Posted by: Jason | April 12, 2008, 12:30 pm 12:30 pm
All this sympathy for Obama who has said what he really thinks, but then needs to backtrack. The people who defend him are the same ones who mocked George Bush for his “dyslexic” speech. Bush didn’t have to backtrack the way this clown has to.
Obama said what he meant, and meant what he said.
Posted by: Helen | April 12, 2008, 12:31 pm 12:31 pm
Apparently Hillary is turning away from the bitter reality of many folks and families in small town America.
Why then would we vote for her?
And no wonder, that a multi-millionaire who’s husband is earning millions as a free trade lobbyist, couldn’t care less about us.
Thank you, Senator Obama, for finally putting us on the map of American politics. My family is grateful to you, we honor your courage and sincerity, and we will all vote for you here in PA and in the GE. I’m a student now, but my father lost two jobs that went overseas, and he always says: it is Bill Clinton who put me out of work (I will not quote his exact phrase, he HATES the Clintons).
Posted by: howdy | April 12, 2008, 12:31 pm 12:31 pm
Perhaps Hillary is more saintly than I am, but if my spouse and I were worth $109 million I WOULD lose touch with the concerns of middle class voters. As quickly as possible.
Posted by: Ron | April 12, 2008, 12:32 pm 12:32 pm
So let me get this straight. According to Obama the churches of America are filled with white bitter people. Everyone who has a gun to protect their family is just bitter and angry.
Oh yes, and if they had good jobs, they’d vacate the church as fast as they could, and no longer hunt for sport or protect their home.
LOLOLOL. You’ve got to be freakin kidding me!!!
Stick a fork in this clown – he’s done.
Posted by: Jo | April 12, 2008, 12:32 pm 12:32 pm
hopesprings52 – I think “clinging” is the perfect word to use in same cases, but only for fundamentalists, not religion in general. Many religious people, like Obama himself, are joyous, giving, and tolerant. But fundamentalism is a reaction to fears and uncertainties of the modern world. Much of the anti-immigrant ranting in this country is indeed coming straight out of the fundamentalist churches. I’m not sure I would say that if I were running for President, but I would still think it was true.
Posted by: jock59801 | April 12, 2008, 12:32 pm 12:32 pm
Ahhhhh, Obama, the UNITER!
No, Obama is the candidate of race and class strife. The irony is incredible!
Posted by: al | April 12, 2008, 12:33 pm 12:33 pm
I resent Obama’s assessment that he said “something that everyone knows is true.”
I live in a small town (25,000+), and absolutely amd vigorously reject Obama’s rationalization as to the reason I do not support his candidacy – which is not, in Obama’s view, because I’m a racist, but because I’m bitter, frustrated and cynical about government and that is why I am unmoved by his promises of “change.”
What Obama thinks “everyone knows is true” is nothing more than a broad and basisless stereotype, as insulting to small town Americans as an unflattering and inaccurate stereotypical view of urban black youth. This is a stereotype which I’m sure Obama would understand and take vigorous exception to, and it’s too bad that he’s so out of touch with small town Americans that he can’t even see that he’s guilty of exactly the same thing!
The real truth is that people who are financially distressed become more conscientious consumers and they recognize that a vote for Obama is, in fact, against their best interests.
They realize that Obama’s proposals offer them nothing more than the opportunity to send their children to the local community college at no cost (something they know they can already do at nominal cost).
The fact that they’re not buying the snake oil Obama is selling does not mean they’re frustrated, bitter or cynical. It simply means they’re no fools.
If Obama wants to persuade small town Americans to support his candidacy, he needs to stop blaming us, stop stereotyping us, and start offering us some kind of realistic plan for resolving their difficulties.
It is highly unlikely, however, that ideas like this are going to come from the hedge fund operators who are advising Obama with respect to policy matters. “The smartest guys in the room” would undoubtedly prefer to raid the pension funds of these small town America “Grandma Millies” to investing the time and money necessary to really address the economic problems of small towns in a comprehensive, substantive and realistic way.
Posted by: GPM | April 12, 2008, 12:33 pm 12:33 pm
Raleigh – i totally agree. The clinton have done more than any other presidents for the Blacks. But now here comes a black candidate and they ditched the clinton like garbage. 90% of blacks vote for obama?? I watched Bill Maher show and there’s this one educated (professor of some sort) black woman say she doesn’t think AMerica deserves Obama. Another prominent black man compares Wright to Matin L King. Give me a break. so it’s okay to be racist by white but not toward blacks?? oh, i forgot that they have NAACP to fight anyone who say something that they consider racist
Posted by: hannah | April 12, 2008, 12:34 pm 12:34 pm
Jo – No, that is not what he said.
Posted by: jock59801 | April 12, 2008, 12:34 pm 12:34 pm
Two words, George Soros! It is very hypocritical but Mr. Soros, a billionaire socialist and major Obama supporter is trying to destroy the American system that made him. Obama is the front man for a movement to eliminate the US middle class and create a socialist/communist society controlled by an elitist minority. Do the math! Obama has already hinted as such with his proposed tax plan. It would essentially have two brackets, the rich whid would include the current middle class and the poor. His recent statements, and those of George Soros indicate their intention to destroy the middle class. If you think I am Chicken Little think again. Obama is the most scary candidate for president in my lifetime.
Posted by: kblckwd | April 12, 2008, 12:35 pm 12:35 pm
Obama’s campaign has made me realize one thing. I now realize that a whole segment of society does not want to be equal; they want to be superior. How disappointing when many of us fought for so many years against racism to be the target of bigotry.
Posted by: Olga | April 12, 2008, 12:35 pm 12:35 pm
Why all the reporting on only “Bitter”
What did he mean in the other remarks? Who is “They” Who is “We’ll”
Give me in your own words what he was trying to say with these statements
1. white working-class don’t wanna work
2. What they wanna hear is — so,
we’ll give you talking points
3. “They” get bitter
4. “They” cling to guns
5. “They” cling to Religion
6. “They” cling to antipathy to people who aren’t like them
7. “They” cling to anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.
8. it’s sort of a race thing.
What did he mean on all 8 not just bitter?
Posted by: Roger | April 12, 2008, 12:36 pm 12:36 pm
Ron, The Clinton’s earned their money fair- and- square. You need to use you BITTERNEST and stop watching sports and do something with your life.
Posted by: Antonn | April 12, 2008, 12:36 pm 12:36 pm
Wow, you Hillary supporters are sure convincing. I’m going to switch my support from Obama to Hillary. Finally, I have folks I can talk to about Roswell.
Posted by: Matt | April 12, 2008, 12:37 pm 12:37 pm
NOBODY in their right mind is giving up on Obama, West Coast Mess… We’re hearing the same old tired stuff from the Clintonistas. Nothing Obama could say will change their minds. And there are no Hillabeans lies that could stop their support of her or her friend John McCain!!!
Those who truly put some THOUGHT into this, however, will recognize the truth and support Senator Obama.
Obama 2008 — Yes, WE CAN!!!
Posted by: Jackt51 -- Vietnam Vet and Proud Liberal | April 12, 2008, 12:37 pm 12:37 pm
I’d be curious as to why he was saying this to his rich supporters in California? What point was he exactly trying to make to them by talking about the small towns in Pennsylvania in this way? What does the rich in California care about the small towns in PA? Unfortunately, I can’t think of a scenario where it would not be looking down upon the people in the small towns.
Posted by: Androoo | April 12, 2008, 12:37 pm 12:37 pm
Here’s a suggestion: if all of these issues are just “distractions” from the really important matters – CHANGE YOUR POSITIONS! Render them moot!
But Democrats aren’t about to do so, because unrestricted taxpayer funded abortion are important to them! Eliminating every spec of religion (except of the Reverend Wright variety) is important TO THEM. Having millions of immigrants coming here each and every year and permanently altering American society is important TO THEM.
If these issues are all just little, tiny trifles of irrelevancy, change your position. It can’t matter all that much – after all, they’re irrelevant, right?
Posted by: Chris Roland | April 12, 2008, 12:39 pm 12:39 pm
I have family in rural Michigan and live in the Bay Area, so both sides of the story are eerily familiar. In wealthy California is see a lot of philosophical caring for those less fortunate…and an unfortunately common and dull touch of arrogance. In them I also see battle fatigue with the bigots exemplified north of Grand Rapids: scant curiosity, a bizarre lack of will to take a community college class to better themselves, drugs, stupid machismo, loud ignorant opinions, emotional problems, terrible religious bigotry, etc.
But, like folk anywhere, both sides are deeply humanly flawed and full of crap when they pretend to get it right all the time.
My instinct and the data I have about Obama’s life tell me he is striving to get the country in touch with reality, rather than serve us some perky mornings “news” show about making a better quiche. He stumbled into the wrong words, but the meltdown of rural America is no invention. Norman Rockwell’s world is wrecked, and those people are in frightfully big trouble educationally, economically, and morally with such widespread ignorance and hatred of those not just like themselves.
But, they also now know that Cheney-Bush (yes, in that order) are selling our lives and our nation to the super-rich and twisted corporate interests. Obama is clearly willing to challenge those corrupt interests. Hillary and McCain ARE those interests.
Posted by: Steve M | April 12, 2008, 12:39 pm 12:39 pm
I’m sorry people, But I think he is planted in this country…..Believe what you want. He is a snake in the grass,
Posted by: bj | April 12, 2008, 12:39 pm 12:39 pm
Way to go Barry! (as Obama is to be ashamed known in Kansas)
Always good to know what a candidate is REALLY thinking.
Goes along with the old saying;
“Better to be “thought” a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt”.
Let’s see;
You go to church, (racist church, but nonetheless, church )but you’re hammering down those who rely on prayer as though they are primitive, hopeless and bitter. Hmmmm.
Gun toters are bitter mindless zombies who can’t think of any better way to change things. Got it!
Just keep up the great job of alienating the voting populous, dude!!!
Posted by: JMKC | April 12, 2008, 12:39 pm 12:39 pm
Sorry… Obama supporters… even the full context of the “snippet” (which includes it being said at a fundraiser in San Francisco) or Obama’s follow up explanation does not take away the extraordinary “stereotypical” remarks he made about people in Indiana and Pennsylvania (implied lower socio-economic uneducated “white people”).
Combine this with throwing his grandma under the bus in favor of Wright… and his further explanation using the phrase “typical white people” and you got yourself a disturbing pattern.
First…Obama feels free to stereotype white people as racists… and his elite wannabe supporters chime in.
Second… Obama wrongly correlated bitterness with the OTHERS who like guns and/or their religion. Hunting/guns is a long time tradition and people with good jobs actually buy more sporting guns. Religion is a long time tradition… and Pennsylvania has a lot of diverse religions…. including a huge number of loyal Catholics.
Third… In talking about the OTHERS, Obama throws in immigration issues and race/ethnicity… When in fact he himself by his use of these stereotypes is displaying his own ethnocentricity. Kind of like the kettle calling the pot black.
So much for bringing people together Obama… just not the way you envisioned in your pretty speeches.
Posted by: Nickberry | April 12, 2008, 12:39 pm 12:39 pm
GPM – Excellent comments. I could have given Obama credit had he looked small town America in the eye and told them to their face. I could respect a man like that. True or not. But I cannot respect a man who stands in front of HIS big shot donors in San Fran and runs down small town values never thinking someone in that room was recording ever word. Had no one recorded his word does anyone think Obama would be offering so many different versions of those words today?
Posted by: Dogsoldier | April 12, 2008, 12:40 pm 12:40 pm
speaking in an honest tone doesn’t mean you are honest. He is an elitist, a liar and not qualified to lead the country. You think we are in bad shape now, if he becomes president he and his wife will make it worse. His asssociations with radicals should be enough to wake ameriacns up to the fact that something is wrong with this picture. At least those ameriacns who have a brain….
Posted by: freeramoscompion | April 12, 2008, 12:41 pm 12:41 pm
This is the talk in Pa today and here is his problem we also have another big problem in this state we all know each other really well we are in and out of each others houses most of us have been here all of are lives when we go on vaction we hurry back to make sure not a damm thing has changed we live in homes in the same towns are grandparents lived in Our kids go to the same schools we went to we go to football games and watch kids play who’ parents whent to schoool with us.What we don’t likeis some one coming in here and judging us many of us move away for a short time only to come home again we love this state.And we don’t hate Rendell we just like to blame our pol. for everything it is how it is . Obama is arrogant and so are his Supporters IMO
Posted by: Bishop | April 12, 2008, 12:42 pm 12:42 pm
Californians are primed for this type of message. This revalidates their beliefs of their superiority to the rest of Americans. Obama gave that speech were It was meant to be..Where the wine sipping and tree huggers can donate $$$..I know I live in California.
Posted by: Antonn | April 12, 2008, 12:44 pm 12:44 pm
Roger – Well, he only said 5 of those 8 things, and he said the opposite of the other 3, so you may need more explanation than we can give you.
Posted by: jock59801 | April 12, 2008, 12:44 pm 12:44 pm
“No wonder the press was banned from this event. Now everyone gets to know where Obama said it – on Billionaires Row in San Fran, among a gathering of ultra rich. Oh this is just tooooo good! :)”
Yeahhhhhhhhhh no wonder the press was banned. I can hardly wait to hear what else Obama doesn’t want us to hear about his views.
To those who said he’s just telling the truth about “bitter” gun toting/praying Pennsylvanians, and people don’t like hearing the truth…..
he was clearly playing to the much more liberal anti-gun, anti-praying San Franciscan crowd.
That’s exactly why the press was banned!!
He’s saying what he thinks every crowd wants to hear!!!
Freedom of hearing!!!
Get a CLUE!
Posted by: SEKC | April 12, 2008, 12:45 pm 12:45 pm
I’m reading the comments above from the Obama supporters and they are a hateful group. Not only are they trying to defend his comment but they are blaming others for it! Now that is deflecting. But it’s not going to work this time. Obama and his supporters are not going to take away our First Amendment and Second Amendment rights. We “small town” folks aren’t angry but we are determined now that Obama is not going to get elected to the White House.
Posted by: Naomi | April 12, 2008, 12:45 pm 12:45 pm
The short list of Obama’s contradictions…
1. He says that words matter (a speech he “borrower” from Deval) but constantly asks the voters to give him the benefit of the doubt for his misspeaks.
2. Said he has always been against the Iraq war (yet stated and voted otherwise during his time in the senate) and he will end the war immediately (which later, is said by his campaign to be only a best-case scenario)
3. Said he will attempt to end the racial divide yet put had Wright working for his campaign, a man who is clearly still very divided
4. Has accused numerous people that have spoken out against him as racist while he mutters the phrase “typical white person” while describing his white grandmother
5. Accuses Clinton of doing anything to win, while he drags his feet and tries to prevent MI & FL from a re-vote, because he is scared of the results
6. He continually talks about his superior judgment while engaging in a very long and close relationship with Tony Rezko & Jeremiah Wright
7. Condemns Washington and its same old players and then has much of his campaign help come from the likes of Ted Kennedy and John Kerry
8. Criticizing Imus and stated that “anyone working for me who made a comment like that about anybody of any ethnic group would be fired” and then installs Wright into his campaign knowing he had made many derogatory comments about white people throughout the 20 years he has known him.
9. Has promised a new type of politics that promoted unity but has continually attacked Clinton’s character and has gotten more and more negative in his campaign tactics (BTW his wife said she won’t support Clinton if she were to get the nomination – how is that unity for democrats?)
10. Agreed to serve his full term in the senate before an attempt to run for president.
11. Spoke out about how we need to do more in Afghanistan, but did not hold one substantive meeting while chairing the foreign relations committee that had power to make important decisions regarding Afghanistan.
12. Had one of his adviser meet privately with the Canadian government to assure them he didn’t really mean what he said about NAFTA (that adviser still works for his campaign), yet had the audacity to say that if he were Clinton he would have fired Penn (she removed him from his leadership position within her campaign).
12. Agreed to campaign public financing in the general election and is now backing out
Posted by: Andrea | April 12, 2008, 12:46 pm 12:46 pm
People ARE bitter… People ARE fed up. And the backbone of this nation is being broken to maintain the wealth of the few. In the words of Napolean Bonaparte – “Religion is what keeps the poor from rising up to kill the rich.” Nothing has changed. Clinton is saying to us “little people”… I’m with you. But she is the very type of person who has kept pushing people down. NAFTA? $800,000 in her joint account with Bill? Wake up!!! She doesn’t care about us one bit… once you give her your vote, She will have gotten what she needs and will forget about Scranton, Shippensburg, York, Chichester, and all of the rest of the small Pennsylvania towns. The Clinton’s are the opitomy of Elitist. Don’t let the attention go to your heads… it is only gonna last 10 more days. And then, we will be left with the reality that is our life here in “small town” USA.
Posted by: Craig | April 12, 2008, 12:50 pm 12:50 pm
Hillary is trying to get Bill’s resurection of the Bosnia issue off the front pages. McCain simply follows along.
Posted by: Lila | April 12, 2008, 12:50 pm 12:50 pm
I used to think Obama was an empty suit. I now KNOW that suit is just full of crap.
Posted by: LADNARC | April 12, 2008, 12:50 pm 12:50 pm
at least he’s paying attention.
Posted by: kevin | April 12, 2008, 12:52 pm 12:52 pm
Obama is RIGHT – these small towns ARE bitter. Just look at all the bile that comes out of them. Maybe if they stopped voting for Republican fools who rob them blind and exploit them, they wouldn’t be so angry and confused.
Posted by: Charlie Knotts | April 12, 2008, 12:52 pm 12:52 pm
Right on Steve M. of Michigan…I come from rural area near Grand Rapids and know the folks of which you speak. Not likely they’d vote for O. anyway. Your post has tons of insight. I DO agree that Obama is right on in his analysis, and yes, he is taking this message to the voters in PA too, and IN as well. Just not sure they want to listen.
Obama is our only economic and foreign policy hope.
Posted by: anotherpatricia | April 12, 2008, 12:53 pm 12:53 pm
Senator Obama has not known to run a campaign that is based on putting down opponents or Americans; so there should only political opportunists and his avowed political enemies are going to misrepresent his position as one of attacking fellow Americans.
The logic is simple: Many working class Americans who are seeing their future slipping away are anxious, angry, and yes, bitter!
It is also a well known fact that those who are anxious, angry and bitter WILL at times take out their frustrations on others, even take them out on family members.
A lot of the polarization of Americans around issues like abortion, religion, gun control IS being fed by the reality that many Americans ARE economically unfulfilled and with diminishing prospects for the future.
McCain and Clinton are being petty, and are ‘playing politics as usual’; because they know that some Americans who are less sophisticated in their thinking may not grasp the meaning and TRUTH of Obama’s statement..
Posted by: New Yorker | April 12, 2008, 12:54 pm 12:54 pm
aaron – So you were the one of the PA guys who advised Obama about the bible thumping, gun toting, immigrant hating, bitter neighbors living near you?
Posted by: Dogsoldier | April 12, 2008, 12:55 pm 12:55 pm
aaron-, what does China have to do with NAFTA (North American Free Trade Agreement)? China is not in North America.
Even if what Obama is saying has an element of truth, the audience to which he made the statement (N. California) wasn’t out of compassion for those in small towns, but rather in a negative light.
Posted by: androoolee | April 12, 2008, 12:58 pm 12:58 pm
A little of the pastor Wright philosophy comming out?
Posted by: Biker N Az | April 12, 2008, 12:58 pm 12:58 pm
aaron – I think you are exactly right. Have you read Thomas Frank’s “What’s the matter with Kansas?” His main theme is exactly that; why struggling folks in small towns are led to vote against their own self-interest. I think that is part of what Obama was refering to. But people are going to use it against him for the very same reason — to convince people to vote against their own self interest.
Posted by: jock59801 | April 12, 2008, 12:58 pm 12:58 pm
Charlie Knotts – You’re absolutely correct, Charlie. Why don’t you write the Obama campaign and urge Obama to keep saying it exactly like he said it in San Fran?
Posted by: Dogsoldier | April 12, 2008, 12:59 pm 12:59 pm
People in small towns ARE bitter – and their anger and bitterness and backwardness are holding the rest of the country hostage. Why should underpopulated Red States have the same kind of voting representation as progressive States that actually contribute to the economy and contain huge populations? Why are States like NJ and California denied full representation when thrid world states like Mississippi and North Dakota get the same representation? I hate small town America – small towns = small minds. Just the most useless people in the country!
Posted by: California Lover | April 12, 2008, 12:59 pm 12:59 pm
Or maybe Michelle is now writing his speeches.
Posted by: BikernAz | April 12, 2008, 1:00 pm 1:00 pm
Obama said that not having a job leads to owning guns, being religious, not liking people who are different from you, being ant-immigration, and anti-trade. This is about as stupid a statement that one can make. Obama just got caught.
Posted by: Benjamin | April 12, 2008, 1:01 pm 1:01 pm
If this is the best that Obama’s opponents can come up with, Obama will be a two term President. Good luck, haters.
Posted by: Carolyn K. | April 12, 2008, 1:02 pm 1:02 pm
O’bama is now trying to crawl out from under what he said. He is being disingenuous to say the least. His statement about Pennsyvanians clinging to “guns and religion” was a Freduian slip. Again I say, WAKE UP PEOPLE because O’bama is a Black nationalist and agrees with the vision statement of his Church of 20 years that was founded upon the writings of Dr. James Cone. Dr. Cone felt (and perhaps still feels) that Black Christian should not follow the “White church” because the White church did not help Blacks during the civil rights movement. This theme runs throughout Dr. Cone’s works. Dr. Cone’s theology was greatly influenced by people like by Malcolm X and others in the Black Power movement. In O’bama’s Freudian slip he was putting down, among other things, the religion (by, for example, relating it to guns) of White Pennsyvanians who it appears will give Clinton a win in that State. Cone wrote, “Black Theology is the theological arm of Black Power, and Black Power is the political arm of Black Theology.” Finally, Cone wrote, “The black theologian must reject any conception of God which stifles black self-determination by picturing God as a God of all peoples. Either God is identified with the oppressed to the point that their experience becomes God’s experience, or God is a God of racism… The blackness of God means that God has made the oppressed condition God’s own condition. This is the essence of the Biblical revelation.” In contrast, Martin Luther King, Jr. had this to say: “Beneath all the satisfaction of a gratifying slogan, Black Power is a nihilistic philosophy born out of the conviction that the Negro can’t win. It was born from the wounds of despair and disappointment . . . In the final analysis, the weakness of Black power is its failure to see that the Black man needs the White man and the White man needs the Black man.” If he were still living, Martin Luther King, Jr. would not be sitting in a pew next to Barack O’bama.
Posted by: Bobby Cardwell | April 12, 2008, 1:02 pm 1:02 pm
al said we go for religion for salvation but he thinks that people of pennsylvania cling to religion because of bitterness-(salvation–being saved from something, such as suffering) sounds like clinging to your faith because of being bitter to me who isnt bitter when they are suffering?
poor people and small towns that normaly dont matter to the rich in politics are bitter me too!!!
Posted by: melissa | April 12, 2008, 1:03 pm 1:03 pm
You don’t need to explain yourself, Mr. Obama. We know what you mean. Those of us whove visited small PA (and other) towns know you are right. The ones who don’t know what you are talking about are the ones who were duped in to supporting Pres. Bush. They’ll be duped into voting for McCain, too.
Posted by: Hal | April 12, 2008, 1:03 pm 1:03 pm
Hillary and McCain have one common enemy right now and that’s Obama! Obama is the real deal and everyone knows it! They both see he’s the clear shot winner and they will prance on any opportunity to try and bring the man down – even by trying to twist, distort or magnify something he mentioned. Honestly, i can understand McCain pulling something like this – he’s on the other side! BUT for the life of me, why is Hillary trying to destroy her very own party?! She will stop at nothing to win even if it means dragging down her own party along with her. She manipulative, selfish and patronising and this is the very reason i will not vote for her. She needs to work on her character, she is not painting a pretty picture of someone who I can trust!
Posted by: hibbiejibbie | April 12, 2008, 1:04 pm 1:04 pm
To the Kochinator:
You actually think that the cites run things and we in small town blue collar jobs are not part of the big picture???
As a blue collar worker in the construction industry, I probably use use more calculus in my everyday job that you have used since college. God help you if this economy ever collapses for real.
Most people in office jobs can’t even change their own oil… let alone build anything that would actually stand. Talk about Elitist… What an ignorant person.
Posted by: craig | April 12, 2008, 1:04 pm 1:04 pm
Carolyn K. Actually, Obama opponents didn’t come up with this… Obama did.
Posted by: androoolee | April 12, 2008, 1:06 pm 1:06 pm
Kochinator – So where does your grocer get food from in the city? Where do you get your energy you use in the city? Products to make all the vehicles? I could go on and on but you get the point.
Posted by: Dogsoldier | April 12, 2008, 1:06 pm 1:06 pm
What are you saying Jock. That people in small towns can’t think for themselves? That they are forced to vote against their will? What else have you got?
Posted by: BikernAz | April 12, 2008, 1:06 pm 1:06 pm
To California Lover..You just proved my point..Californians believe their are superior to all Americans. Obama pandered to the wine sipping tree huggers that can donate $$$.
Posted by: Antonn | April 12, 2008, 1:07 pm 1:07 pm
Charlie Knotts – Hi, Charlie. Having a tough day?
Posted by: Dogsoldier | April 12, 2008, 1:08 pm 1:08 pm
The problem with the blacks is that they won’t work for anything and want white people to give them everything for free. Blacks are just a bunch of parasites and agitators who have never integrated into mainstream America – by their own choice. Blacks consistently choose poverty and self-segregation because they know that they can’t compete with superior races like whites and asians and jews. That’s why so many blacks are criminals and gangsters and thugs and why so many race hustlers and poverty pimps like Obama and Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton exploit the criminal classes.
Posted by: glennmcgahee | April 12, 2008, 1:08 pm 1:08 pm
your damn right that I am bitter. How 35 years in public life and service equipment to make over $100MM bucks. When you get that kind of money to make speeches, how can you even relate to the hard working american?
She is out of touch!
Posted by: scott jeffries | April 12, 2008, 1:08 pm 1:08 pm
Anybody who doesnt grasp the importance of the right to bear arms is a fool. Obama is apparently a racist fool.
Posted by: Bob | April 12, 2008, 1:09 pm 1:09 pm
So ok, which day is today? Is today when words matter or was that yesterday?
Posted by: echo | April 12, 2008, 1:09 pm 1:09 pm
seems if you dont have money you just get dragged along for the ride the rich chose to take you on!!people in my penn state are bitter and they are mad they find joy in hunting and fishing and in the deep love of god! i know i married one!
Posted by: melissa | April 12, 2008, 1:09 pm 1:09 pm
Stick with what ya know “purple lips” .. like hating America, your racist pastor of 20 plus years, and Chicago politics! The general election was already going to be a landslide – just wait until they put together their package on how to attack you and your comments! You’ll take a beat down like no other candidate ever has ..
Posted by: Bruce | April 12, 2008, 1:10 pm 1:10 pm
Small town Americans like me don’t object to the bitter comments although I personally am mad at my government not bitter. What I don’t like, is being called an ignorant Redneck by anyone and that includes Obama. He can try to say he misspoke, but I beleive he was speaking what he really thinks.
Posted by: Sandy | April 12, 2008, 1:10 pm 1:10 pm
Small town Americans like me don’t object to the bitter comments although I personally am mad at my government not bitter. What I don’t like, is being called an ignorant Redneck by anyone and that includes Obama. He can try to say he misspoke, but I beleive he was speaking what he really thinks.
Posted by: Sandy | April 12, 2008, 1:10 pm 1:10 pm
It’s a sad commentary on our ability to use our own heads about our situations if we are willing to listen to Clinton or McCain tell us that bitterness is not part of the landscape in America right now. Barack Obama should not have tried to explain what he meant. It is the truth, and all those who are struggling to pay the mortage and the rent know it. It has nothing to do with elitism, but reality! Are people being foreclosed on? Yes! Are people losing their jobs? Yes! Are their people making choices between buying food and medicine? Yes! Is there inequality in America? Yes! Are the rich getting richer? Yes! Are the poor getting poorer? Yes! Are we mired in a seemingly endless and catastrophically expensive war? Yes! Can/does all of the above spell bitterness and dispair? Your call!
Posted by: Ginny Albert | April 12, 2008, 1:10 pm 1:10 pm
you know news people spend big bucks for polling that tells them that most of the people in this country think we are headed in the wrong direction and are angry and yet when someone says people might be angry or bitter it is big news?
Well consider this 50 somethingish white woman REALLY angry. My family is barely surviving and the only people who are being condescending are the ones who dismiss that anger like McCain and Clinton.
I realize they have been rich and powerful so long they don’t know any of us “little people” unless they met them on the campaign trail and are surrounded by people who tell them what they want to hear but I am angry just thinking about the way they don’t GET I am angry.
Posted by: Annie | April 12, 2008, 1:11 pm 1:11 pm
The fact that he thought “what” he said about PA voters to CA voters was perfectly ok is evidenced by the fact that he did not attempt to clarify “what” he said until Mayhill called him on it. I guess that really indicates how “in touch” he is with PA voters. IMO, Obama displayed a certain condescending comtempt towards PA voters. The only thing he didn’t do was call them “typical white voters.” So, he had to go all the way to San Francisco to show “empathy” for Pennsylvania voters? … and you Obama supporters cannot see the hypocrisy in that? Red warning flags are erupting everywhere around this man …
Posted by: LeeLee07 | April 12, 2008, 1:11 pm 1:11 pm
Obama = Arrogance
He thinks he’s superior to everyone. No wonder why some call him the messiah.
Posted by: Persio | April 12, 2008, 1:11 pm 1:11 pm
Hillary and McCain have one common enemy right now and that’s Obama! Obama is the real deal and everyone knows it! They both see he’s the clear shot winner and they will prance on any opportunity to try and bring the man down – even by trying to twist, distort or magnify something he mentioned. Honestly, i can understand McCain pulling something like this – he’s on the other side! BUT for the life of me, why is Hillary trying to destroy her very own party?! She will stop at nothing to win even if it means dragging down her own party along with her. She manipulative, selfish and patronising and this is the very reason i will not vote for her. She needs to work on her character, she is not painting a picture of someone who I can trust – she is painting the picture of desperation!
Posted by: hibbiejibbie | April 12, 2008, 1:12 pm 1:12 pm
Q: Why is it that Mr. Obama’s critics here never refer to the original question he was responding to?
A: Because when you look at the question and answer together, it is clear that Barack Obama was expressing his empathy for and support for the people of rural Pennsylvania, not trashing them.
Posted by: WS | April 12, 2008, 1:12 pm 1:12 pm
President of Disneyland? No thanks.
Hillary and McCain are playing Pollyanna politics.
You can mince his words to your pleasure, but Obama is telling it like it is.
Americans are bitter when their customer service phone calls are answered by someone with an Indian accent.
Americans are bitter about policies that favor job outsourcing.
Posted by: ostracizzle | April 12, 2008, 1:12 pm 1:12 pm
Note to Obama: I have a job and I am religious, I believe in the 1st Ammendment, I believe in securing the borders, I am against unjust trade policies. Obama is out of touch!
Posted by: Benjamin | April 12, 2008, 1:12 pm 1:12 pm
I am a 31 year old white female Obama Supporter from PA. He is absolutly right! People are bitter here. I see it especially now that I moved from a major city to the country. He just speaks the truth. People do not like the hear the truth.
Posted by: Marie | April 12, 2008, 1:13 pm 1:13 pm
A lot of things seem to be wrong with Obama. When Ferraro made her comments, he wildly went on demanding outright this and that. When Wright made his comment, Obama made a race speech that says let’s play nice. He reasoned that Wright made those comments because of him growing up in older generations but could not reasoned the same way about Ferraro. Obama here could not reasoned with the Pennsylvania small White town the same way he tried to reason out his Black church.
Posted by: rockus | April 12, 2008, 1:13 pm 1:13 pm
Antonn – then you proved my point, didn’t you? Congratulations.
Posted by: California Lover | April 12, 2008, 1:15 pm 1:15 pm
small towns are much more set in the old ways they have been for many years, its just the way it is! you can point fingers for pointing it out but you cant deny it!!!!
Posted by: melissa | April 12, 2008, 1:16 pm 1:16 pm
McCain in a debate with Obama, “I’m older than dirt. I knew dirt. Dirt was a friend of mine. Senator Obama, you’re no dirt.”
In a debate between McCain and Obama, McCain will make more major gaffs. It’s all over for McCain then.
The American people will not elect a man with Alhemizer……….
Just wait until the 527 ads come out this Fall., showing McCain suffering memeory loss and alzheimer’s
I swear if McNuts wins we might as well drop the bomb on ourselves. How is it that anybody would vote for this lump of political poo. He has shown that he is dumber than Bush time and time again.
Posted by: defcon360 | April 12, 2008, 1:16 pm 1:16 pm
If you want higher gas prices, higher food prices and government rationed health care vote Obama. Think about it, Obama is for higher taxes that will go to pay higher wages and benefits to State workers. Further, more of the peoples money will be available to go into the pockets of corrupt politicians and their Rezko type buddies.
Posted by: changewhat | April 12, 2008, 1:16 pm 1:16 pm
This is what is often wrong with people who think they are superior, they tend to put down others to raise themselves up.
Posted by: haha | April 12, 2008, 1:16 pm 1:16 pm
Melissa – people already do!
Posted by: California Lover | April 12, 2008, 1:16 pm 1:16 pm
Obama is a US Senator He choose to do nothing for us when he could. He voted present, which is saying I am here and I do not care.
He is Part of the government he chooses to condemn.
He was in a perfect place to make or press some of these changes and chose not to.
So He needs to be President to work on anything, BULL How guilible are you.
He is not going to do any more for you as President as he did as a Senator.
Hopefully some of you brainwashed souls will wake up before you screw yourselves. If not you are not allowed to squak about it because you deserve it and asked for it.
Just like those who voted for bush.
Obama will make Bush look all the angels and saints.
Posted by: seah | April 12, 2008, 1:16 pm 1:16 pm
Hillary campaign staffers on this blog please give it a rest at least he didnt make up stories about dodging sniper bullets and lying with a straight face to the American people on 3 ocassions, i believe him, what he said speaks for itself!!! its true, folks are bitter cuz they lost their jobs and livelihood and cant afford to take care of their families the way they used to, folks are really MAD!!!
Posted by: jacobs | April 12, 2008, 1:16 pm 1:16 pm
Hillary and McCain have one common enemy right now and that’s Obama! Obama is the real deal and everyone knows it! They both see he’s the clear shot winner and they will prance on any opportunity to try and bring the man down – even by trying to twist, distort or magnify something he mentioned. Honestly, i can understand McCain pulling something like this – he’s on the other side! BUT for the life of me, why is Hillary trying to destroy her very own party?! She will stop at nothing to win even if it means dragging down her own party along with her. She manipulative, selfish and patronising and this is the very reason i will not vote for her. She needs to work on her character, she is not painting a picture of someone who I can trust – she is painting the picture of desperation!
Posted by: hibbiejibbie | April 12, 2008, 1:17 pm 1:17 pm
he meant what he said – in my opinion he thinks – you do not vote for me because u are bitter, and dumb and poor – and if u had an education u would vote for me – and yes i do believe he is an elitist – and when you add this comment with michelle obama’s “first time proud” comment and pastor wright – it all makes sense about him … so when he loses pa, it will because they are bitter and don;t know how to vote – the DNC better wake up…. only his die hard believers make excuses for his comments – can u imagine if hillary or mccain had siad what he said – they would be out of the race… the only time this country will not have a racial or whatever you want ot call it problem is when the same standard is used for everyone – truly color blind, and in Obama’s case that is not true, the DNC and a majority of the press keep making excuses for him,,, they are so desperate to convince regular americans that this is who we should vote for .. that it is makeing me nauseated… we are lucky that the polling booth is a place that there is no pressure from the establishement…. i do not want a concept candidate i want a real candidate with EXPERIENCE
Posted by: sokadija | April 12, 2008, 1:17 pm 1:17 pm
California Lover—Got many friends?
Posted by: BikernAz | April 12, 2008, 1:17 pm 1:17 pm
This is what happens to Obama when he is not reading a prepared speech from the teleprompter. So who will be controlling Obama the puppet candidate if he makes it to the white house? Do Kennedy, Kerry, Pelosi and Dean really think they will have influence over Obama and policies? Say hello to Rev. Wright, Farrakhan, Ayers, Khalidi, Sharpton and Jackson Jr. and the policies of Black Theology. Obama has disdain for white america, it really is becoming evident from what he says when it is not prepared ahead of time for him. Is Obama taking questions at his stump speeches or is he back to reading the teleprompter today?
Posted by: rs | April 12, 2008, 1:17 pm 1:17 pm
Melissa – people already do!
Posted by: California Lover | April 12, 2008, 1:17 pm 1:17 pm
From one Democrat to another: you people who are voting for this man will have to live with yourselves once his true colors show through. He is only interested in winning the election; feeding his ego. He is not the least bit interested in moving our country forward. If you truly listen with an open mind to the things he says, I don’t understand how you could vote for him with a clear conscience. The Republicans, unfortunately, are going to win again.
Posted by: Kerouac | April 12, 2008, 1:17 pm 1:17 pm
California Lover – HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
Posted by: SpeciallyInformed | April 12, 2008, 1:18 pm 1:18 pm
BikernAZ – More than you! And they’re better looking, too!
Posted by: California Lover | April 12, 2008, 1:18 pm 1:18 pm
Marie – Take out an ad in your local newspaper and publish your comments so others in PA can get to know how you and the Obama campaign think. Get local friends together and make a television ad to spread the word. Please.
Posted by: Dogsoldier | April 12, 2008, 1:18 pm 1:18 pm
Can anyone point out what Obama has done to deserve to be President of this great nation?
Posted by: Jack | April 12, 2008, 1:21 pm 1:21 pm
Obama is right. I live in a small town in PA and I AM bitter – we’ve been lied to and screwed six ways from Sunday. So what’s the big deal? He’s got MY vote. And California Lover can shove it up his arse!
Posted by: PA Voter | April 12, 2008, 1:21 pm 1:21 pm
I am felling united now! I have decided to quit being bitter, sell all my guns to inner city youth to get the guns out of my rural small town and to a place where the the less bitter bitter live. You know the ones who get most of there ability to “make it” from the government. I have also decided not to go to church tomorrow as it clearly does not offer the hope that Obama promises. There you go.. I feel sooo much less bitter now.
Posted by: dannyc | April 12, 2008, 1:21 pm 1:21 pm
Bitter, angry, frustrated, worried…any of these words describe what, possibly the majority of, Americans are feeling…both in small towns and big cities. It’s ridiculous to focus so much on this story, when the REAL IMPORTANT news this week has been that our President and his top officials received detailed briefings on “enhanced interrogation” (i.e., torture) methods and officially approved and encouraged these methods. To heck with the Constitution, that we as Americans revere so much. To heck with international laws, that we would normally be seen as a leader in endorsing and preserving. The other big news is that Canada has placed the US on its list of countries that use torture. This is what we should be outraged about and demand accountability. But no, we keep getting stuck on stupid. If Hillary and McCain have not come across angry Americans on the campaign trails, then I question how they gathered their audiences. Maybe they were pre-screened, like Bush did during his campaigning.
Posted by: CitizenInformed | April 12, 2008, 1:22 pm 1:22 pm
We all know that you have to be rich to be a presidential candidate in this country. Hillary somehow has not forgotten where she came from and still can focus on middle class issues, such as the health care of middle and lower class children in our country. It comes to no surprise that she wants to extend this medical help to the rest of us. She wants to open new GREEN jobs, that will also help all of us. She aims to make America less dependent on other countries and be more self-contained. These are just a few of the reasons, she should be our next president. And you know she is one DETERMINED WOMAN and if elected President, she will jump right in and make it happen!
Posted by: WomenOnGuard | April 12, 2008, 1:22 pm 1:22 pm
the fact is that i believe you decribed hillary kerouak… people that worked with her in the white house have even said she has no soul, she will win HER fight anyway possible and she clearly has no truth to her… now you think about all she has done and tell me she hasnt proved it time and time again..
Posted by: melissa | April 12, 2008, 1:23 pm 1:23 pm
CitizenInformed – Do you “faint” at Obama rallies?
Posted by: Dogsoldier | April 12, 2008, 1:24 pm 1:24 pm
Obama made a subliminal slip about how he really feels about small town white Americans. It sounds like listening to Jeramiah Wright’s radical Afrocentric sermons for the last 20 years has created a racial stereotype of small town white Americans (i.e., bitter poor white Americans who cling to God, guns, and xenophobia) in Obama’s subconscious mind.
Posted by: USmarine0331 | April 12, 2008, 1:24 pm 1:24 pm
I’m sick of candidate pandering to stupid poor whites, personally. They are the ones who elected George bush in for a second term because he was someone they could see themselvse having abeer with and because they were concerned about ‘family values’….uh, huh. And we are supposed to be respecting these people’s intellect? LOL!!! Ha ha ha ha!!! sorry. they’re stupid. STupid is a stupid does and Kerry said he would ahve started a Manhatten project for alternative fuels and here we would have been four years into it. It only took us three to go from dynamite to an atom bomb. What do you think our best and brightest woudl ahve come up with if we had a president these past four years who’s agenda was to get us off oil???? howfar would we have been??? given American ingenuity, pretty damn far i”m sure. Instead, we were NOWHERE but in a 4 billion a day war and gas has gone up 300% since bush and cheney oil men have been in office. yeah, and i’m supposed to respect the morons who put them there??? who put the pimp in charge of cleaing out the whorehouse???? yeah right. we are not talking about teh sharpest tools in this country’s shed. They are the ones who have dragged us down adn ruined this country but hte only poetic justice is that they hurt hte most in all this. How long will they pray for God to save the mfrom themselvse and their own stupid decision making before they realize God is not going to. Likeany good parents, He’s going to let you all completely kill this country if you choose another bush, a mcCain again. He will let us fall completely. HOw else will you learn????? you’re dragging us ALL down with your stupidity. Don’t appologize to these people. They are our weakest links.
Posted by: jessy | April 12, 2008, 1:24 pm 1:24 pm
California Lover— Yep, and they are all probably as obnoxious and shallow as you present yourself to be!
Posted by: BikernAz | April 12, 2008, 1:24 pm 1:24 pm
What is really sad is that so many people believed in this tool Obama and even after all the frightening things that have come up about this guy they still are defending him.
Posted by: Laura | April 12, 2008, 1:24 pm 1:24 pm
White Americans will be commiting racial sucide by voting for Obama. He will destroy America with his arrogance and race-pandering.
Posted by: dannyc | April 12, 2008, 1:25 pm 1:25 pm
If Obama cared soo much as people claim then why did he vote present so many times? And for those that claim Obama is caring and compassionate, well so was Bush and look where that got us. Obama doesn’t care about the struggles middle class is going thru, he’s saying what every politician would say to gain votes, he just made a boneheaded mistake in using the words he used when talking about PA . I am ready for another televised speech Obama. He is soo condescending and arrogant, i wouldn’t even shake his hand if i had the chance.
Posted by: persio | April 12, 2008, 1:25 pm 1:25 pm
changewhat — mere speculation. Facts would be helpful!
Posted by: Ginny Albert | April 12, 2008, 1:26 pm 1:26 pm
The difference I perceive between senators Obama and Clinton is that senator Obama will not say ANYTHING to win……He comes across more geniune and honest…
Instead of senator Clinton attacking Obama for this statement, she should learn a thing or two…
Posted by: shalom | April 12, 2008, 1:26 pm 1:26 pm
Enough will some one please tell the Dems. they are only hurting themselves with all this bickering.God the thought of 4 years with McCain as the president for me is much too consider.I don’t think this country can stand 4 more years of this war.I am old enough to remember Veit Nam War ,and how it torn this country apart.I also think older people(Republicans) my age should be tell admit to their children; that most them demostrated against the war when they where younger. Now that they’re older they have seem have lost their memory
Posted by: timl wash | April 12, 2008, 1:27 pm 1:27 pm
…from the Clintons, from the Republicans, from all the twisting politicians who would prefer the voters of this great and indeed troubled country to believe that all is well, the economy is FINE, the war is going very well, and those industrial jobs are all coming back – either because Clinton will put a pause on trade, before opening again the floodgates or because McCain will lower taxes on those big corporations again so they will NOT share their profits with their workers…
So, Obama comes out and says that rural Pennsylvanians cling to guns and religion and don’t much like strangers – the word CLING might be a bit poorly chosen, but saying they’re BITTER? just speaking truth to power and indeed reflecting the truth that he likely encountered on his bus trip. Rural Americans ARE bitter and DESERVE to be bitter as the income gap has widened…
Will they see thes remarks as derogatory? indeed some will, hopefully, though, they will see them indeed as likely intended, a reflection of their own difficult situation from a man who indeed heard them and will work for them, rather than merely saying what they want to hear: like Romney in Michigan or Clinton now: the good times of the Clinton Presidency will return. Well, look no further than the Clinton presidency which sowed the seeds of the income disparity’s runaway widening and the fleeing jobs. I suspect Obama doesn’t have all the answers, but isn’t that the point? What he seems to have is the ability and acuity to see the problems and attempt a solution. IF that’s too complicated, the world is complicated, much more than US against THEM and much more than Clinton or the Republicans would have you believe.
The VOTERS of tihs country are an intelligent lot, a concerned group, with many issues, let’s hope they can confront themselves in this election. The future of this country and the grand experiment may not be at stake per se, but is in jeopardy. Is Obama going to fix all? NO But he’s a good start, and a good break from the Clinton-Bush savaging of the middle and working class… Obama ’08
Posted by: here comes the spin... | April 12, 2008, 1:27 pm 1:27 pm
USMarine – where did Obama ever use the word “white”? He was talking about small towns – don’t black people live in small towns, too? Seems to me like you Obama-haters are all just covert racists looking to grasp at any straw to bring him down. If this is the best you’ve got, get ready for 8 years of President Obama. LOL
Posted by: Laura | April 12, 2008, 1:27 pm 1:27 pm
San Francisco used to be a good place to live until small minded immigrants dampened the spirit of the place and destroyed the lively creative innovative spirit there. Too many planes arrived from the East folks and now those folks think they are San Francisco. Those immigrants and children of immigrants, some of you know of what group I speak, know nothing about the spirit and innovation of San Francisco because that group has all but destroyed it.
Posted by: San Franciscan | April 12, 2008, 1:28 pm 1:28 pm
Changewhat as oppose to Mccain? Are you that delusional? Mccain wanted to ignore the housing crisis, then when he found in wouldnt be politically expedient tried a lame attempt to revise his policy. He was against taxes cuts before he was for them…doesnt that ring a bell? Gas prices oh you mean those things spiraling out of control becaue of say…IRAQ. Mccain actually has to have surrogate speak on the economy because he isnt informedenough on it…hmm isnt that a similiar trait of a certain someone that got us into Iraq. Rezko? Oh you mean like Mr. No Lobbyist and yet has a campaign full of them. Mr. SHia, oops I mean Sunni, oops I mean Shia oops I mean ah hell LIeberman help me out here. Mr. 100 years. Mr Iraq is just like Korea. Mr. John Hagee is cool. Mr. Ed Worsley is cool too. Mr. let me honor MLK ina Presidential year instead of when it had no political gain and instead was just the right thing to do. Mr. I voted to reduce VA benefits four times in last 6 years. Mr. no Education extra benefits for our troops (Jim Webb bill). Mr. No our troops cannot stay home for 12 months after doing 12 months in the hell hole called Iraq. Mr. I cook good ribs so the MSM kisses my a** any chance it gets. Mr. I really wasnt involved with Rick under FBI investigation Renzi. Mr. I was against torture now I wont vote against it because..well it is not politically expedient. All of these things listed I dare ya refute one of them.
Posted by: jesse | April 12, 2008, 1:29 pm 1:29 pm
americans need a wake up call before they can call anyone a racist, this is a problem we have not started including obama , hilary, mccain.. but those who chose to carry out its thoughts and beliefs are US americans who are now ready to push it off on anyone else who puts up with us!! wow
its everywhere you cant hide from it and to fight against everything ignorant that people say will make you tired you think he has never heard the N word? black people EVERYDAY hear that word you know what most of them do IGNORE IT , now its a double standard and we want men and woman to fight against it because its whites that are being talked about , just shows how simple minded we are….
Posted by: melissa | April 12, 2008, 1:29 pm 1:29 pm
Laura – God d*mn America makes a lot of sense now, doesn’t it? Now, why do you suppose Obama wanted to keep the press from listening to his San Fran large donor speech?
Posted by: Dogsoldier | April 12, 2008, 1:30 pm 1:30 pm
USmarine—I agree. I definately think that Obama is carrying around some mental imprints that are now surfacing.
Posted by: BikernAz | April 12, 2008, 1:31 pm 1:31 pm
nichols,
have you lost your mind?
who is the one that sold out the dems? thats right hilary vote for mccain bull.. think twice when you point a finger and who you point it at!!
Posted by: melissa | April 12, 2008, 1:32 pm 1:32 pm
Obama has lied about his whole life, to include his birth. Lets see: lies about his father, his father’s arrival and job, mother, grandmother, his career as a “professor”, Rezko, NAFTA, sitting in church without hearing/listening to rascist rants from his spiritual advisor and mentor (nothing controversial about that Church, oh no!), the award given to Farrakhan, his early religion (He was registered in school as a Muslim, studied the Koran, and demonstrated his ability to chant praise to Allah in impressive Arab-accented tones even as an adult.) his foreign policy “experience”, the Yucca Mountain and nuclear energy lie,support for single-pay health plan… YEAH, those are lies we can believe in – Coming straight from the Change, Hope, and Unity Party. Imagine!, he said all that to America with a straight face. Obama – the man with the great FalseFace to go with those FalseLips…
Rise, Hillary, Rise! ’08
Posted by: LeeLee07 | April 12, 2008, 1:33 pm 1:33 pm
I know that Obama will do well in PA. I live in PA. Do I think he will win PA? Probably not. There are so many old school close minded people in PA. Well, at least there are here in the Danville/Bloomsburg/Scranton area. It is tough and frustrating for an Obama supporter like myself to see. There are tons of people here not voting for him because of his middle name and tyey believe he is a terrorist. That is all they write about in the local paper. It is sad.
Posted by: Marie | April 12, 2008, 1:33 pm 1:33 pm
For someone who is supposed to be smart, Rookie U.S. Senator Obama makes a lot of mistakes. He also foolishly lost a lot of votes from small town Americans.
Posted by: USmarine0331 | April 12, 2008, 1:34 pm 1:34 pm
I think Obama is right on the mark…He has uncovered the sleeping giant in the our anger, our bitterness…I take no offense in his comments because they are true…His comments were taken out of context….this is small compared to a presidential candidate whose own husband made $800,000 trumping up a trade deal that his own wife is against…
Obama’s comments did not intend the imply that somehow blue collar workers in PA, are just turning to guns and religion because they are somehow “less than”…it means that there is so little left of the American Dream…HE was affirming-Thank God we have our religion our faith, thank God we can hold onto whatever shred of the Second Amendment that is left…(by the way he still believes in the Second Admendment!) Whatever shred of dignity, I the American Worker has, when they can ship my factory overseas without batting an eye….
When jobs are shipped overseas, as a result of NAFTA, A DEAL THAT CLINTON WAS IN SUPPORT OF BEFORE SHE RAN FOR PRESIDENT !!!! , just what shred of dignity do ordinary workers have?
My God, folks…Don’t you see…
Obama is for you…he hears you…he is not running because the presidency is somehow owed to him…he is running for you…he hears you…..
The Steelworker, the millworker…the worker that wants his/her human dignity back…yes we are bitter …yes we are angry….but we can have HOPE…
GO OBAMA 08
Posted by: Susan | April 12, 2008, 1:34 pm 1:34 pm
One of the things I don’t like Obama is his preachy style. It doesn’t surprise me that he made this statement as it is in the same line of reasoning as what he’s been listening to for 20 yrs.
Posted by: sarnorton | April 12, 2008, 1:36 pm 1:36 pm
In my experience, black people aren’t very smart or trustworthy and don’t make very good leaders. Blacks are naturally inferior to whites in terms of moral character and reasoning skills.
Posted by: USmarine0331 | April 12, 2008, 1:36 pm 1:36 pm
your right maria i lived in athens area for years and i too have seen some of the way they are already nervous and one thing that even resembles the fear is true and they go back into the shell…
Posted by: melissa | April 12, 2008, 1:36 pm 1:36 pm
melissa – Obama caring? Yes, you are correct. Obama cares about Reverend Wright, Farrakhan, Ayers . . . Wow. Did you hear about Obama’s small town America remarks?
Posted by: Dogsoldier | April 12, 2008, 1:37 pm 1:37 pm
If Obama had a chance in Pennsylvania, he has pretty much screwed himself out of that.
Posted by: BikernAz | April 12, 2008, 1:38 pm 1:38 pm
This is a tempest in a teapot, but a good example of “spin.” The really telling aspect, however, is that Clinton is on the same page as McCain’s people on this.
Posted by: anita | April 12, 2008, 1:39 pm 1:39 pm
marie – Lol. Ignore him.
Posted by: Dogsoldier | April 12, 2008, 1:39 pm 1:39 pm
Marie—You been in the service?
Posted by: BikernAz | April 12, 2008, 1:40 pm 1:40 pm
Let’s see….the most liberal Senator in the Senate speaking to a group in one of the most liberal cities in the U.S. condescends to us “normal folks”. And now the great Orator is trying to squirm out of it. What a joke!
Posted by: whitehousewatcher | April 12, 2008, 1:40 pm 1:40 pm
I am an observer from London who has followed the election process from day one. It really surprises me how the media and some American people still have a deep seated racism and bias in 21st century. I have noticed Obama has been treated unfairly and there is a clear double standard in the media. He simply said what is true. I am bittered by both the media and the Clinton campaign who says anything to get elected. Do you guys think that Hillary and maccain both of whom earned at least earned 100 million in their previous lives know more about how the middle class feels. Obama was from a black man from Africa and a white woman from Kansas who raised him without a father. Who started his life at 14,000 a year when he graduated from university. Who was a community organizer and someone who got here from nothing. Please have some respect, admiration and fairness to his candidacy. Believe it or not so many people here in London and Europe are happily waiting for his presidency in the us to restore the hatred about the US.
Ohh sorry, I have to say what my race is! As it is America – I am white male
Posted by: peter | April 12, 2008, 1:40 pm 1:40 pm
I am from a small Pennsylvania town. I know the people Obama is talking about. I am one of them. Some of my family members have lost their jobs because our leaders would rather let big companies break the backs of foreign workers than stand on the shoulders of American citizens like my father. I wish people would stop criticizing Obama for telling the truth, even if it sounds negative. It’s really easy to say “I believe in the American worker” and “the American worker is proud and resilient” but then why doesn’t our country believe in the American worker? Why doesn’t the country take pride in American workmanship by believing that we can do the best job right here in this country, even if it costs a little more. We are bitter, because for the American dream to work, not only do we have to believe in it but so does our leadership. It’s a two way street. It’s hard to have pride in yourself when you get laid off and don’t work for six months. It’s crushing to feel helpless, and yes, you believe in whatever you can find to keep you going or else you shrivel up and die. My father had a family to feed, so struggling with depression and a hopeless situation was better than a starving family.
I guess what I would like to say, is that everyone likes to be petted on the head and told, “you aren’t bitter, your are strong and everything is wonderful.” It’s easy to say, “the people of Pennsylvania are great because they are so patriotic and hardworking. I can’t believe Obama would say they are bitter.” Well, yes, but saying that in response to Obama’s comments is like a $50 paint job over a rusted car. The problem is not that your car is ugly, the problem is that your car is falling apart, and we can’t pretend that everything is OK because we take exception the hearing a truth that forces us to take a long hard look at reality. Working people in my state are stuck on the side of the road with a broken down car, and the rest of the country drives by and says, “oh, their car has a pretty paint job. I’m sure they are fine.” Well, we’re still stuck on the side of the road, and if nobody stops to call a tow truck we will sit there forever. And every footstep we take on that dusty road to nowhere to get help makes us more exhausted, more bitter, and more hopeless. We might as well whistle the tunes we know to remind us to keep picking our feet up, and I’m glad Obama appears to recognize that just because we are walking doesn’t mean we are getting anywhere.
Posted by: B | April 12, 2008, 1:40 pm 1:40 pm
BikernAz…i do not think he screwed hmself out of PA at all. The intelligent people in PA know it is true. People are not going to change their mind because of this. Trust me…I live in PA
Posted by: Marie | April 12, 2008, 1:41 pm 1:41 pm
The double “OO” duo. One of these “O” says he will not take campaign financing but will rely on his rich benefactors. Who will buy this presidency? More importantly, who are we electing anyway? I suggest if he refuses to participate as John McCain would do, then his rich benefactors must become known. We know of his one big “O” of course, but who are the others.
Posted by: benvictor | April 12, 2008, 1:41 pm 1:41 pm
B…..that was a wonderful post!!! Thank you for bringing in reason and truth!
Posted by: Marie | April 12, 2008, 1:42 pm 1:42 pm
Obamites, just for the record: no one ever reads your posts that begin with: I used to be a big Hillary supporter…
Sorry, but we small town folks are just not as stupid as you think.
Posted by: free to speak | April 12, 2008, 1:43 pm 1:43 pm
Melissa— You Ain’t helping things.
Posted by: BikernAz | April 12, 2008, 1:43 pm 1:43 pm
Someone called him an elitist. How about a moron. Come on voters, wake up. This is the proverbial “Where’s the beef?” Empty rhetoric and now his latest statements show a disdain for the common folk. Hey, maybe the one calling him an elitist is on to something.
Posted by: benvictor | April 12, 2008, 1:44 pm 1:44 pm
Chris Matthews said it again last night, “If Obama loses by less than 8 points in PA, that’s a win”. According to Chris Matthews, when Obama loses, he wins. When Hillary loses, she loses big, it’s campaign ending time, it’s time to get out of the race, she’ll never get the nomination. If Obama lose PA, he wins? Does that mean when Obama loses PA in the general election, he wins? Love that liberal media thinking….
Posted by: rs | April 12, 2008, 1:45 pm 1:45 pm
THANK YOU BIKERNAZ- THAT IS MY WHOLE POINT PEOPLE WANT OBAMA TO SPEAR REV WRIGHT FOR TALKING ABOUT WHITE PEOPLE, WHEN HE HAS TO DEAL WITH RACIST WHITES AND AS YOU CAN SEE GOING AFTER A FEW IGNORANT THINGS PEOPLE SAY OR SPINNING THEM UNTIL THEY ARE IGNORANT ISNT GOING TO HELP ITS ONLY GOING TO MAKE IT WORSE. YOU HAVE TO TRY TO FIND THE GOOD IN PEOPLE! I LOVE THAT YOU SAID THAT…
Posted by: melissa | April 12, 2008, 1:46 pm 1:46 pm
What Bill Clinton said in SC was true too.Jackson and Obama won because of the African American votes there.That was a big deal even though it was true.So even though Obama think he is telling the truth every small town people(mostly white)who think he is wrong have the right to protest and be angry at him and therefore vote to someone else.
Posted by: jayneel | April 12, 2008, 1:46 pm 1:46 pm
melissa – You wrote this is the first time a black ran.
Have you forgotten Jessie Jackson’s run for the dems? He won eleven states back then.
Posted by: Dogsoldier | April 12, 2008, 1:46 pm 1:46 pm
Let Show him the power of the people.
Vote his butt out of the running!
Posted by: seah | April 12, 2008, 1:46 pm 1:46 pm
Marie— That’s one way of looking at it.
Posted by: BikernAz | April 12, 2008, 1:46 pm 1:46 pm
I AM SORRY IF I OFFENDED SOMEONE EVEN THO I DO BELIEVE WHAT THEY SAID WAS MEAN !
Posted by: melissa | April 12, 2008, 1:48 pm 1:48 pm
Obama misspoke but his meaning was clear; the people in the lower middle class are bitter and frustrated.
Hillary, on the other hand, flat out lied. Not just a little misstatement, but an elaborate, thought out lie that she dedicated to paper and repeated over and over.
Posted by: rhbate | April 12, 2008, 1:48 pm 1:48 pm
I am not from small town America. I am from the city where the jobs are going overseas. And I am more than bitter and angry. I am down right MAD! Hilary and McCain are the ones who seem way out of touch, if you ask me.
Posted by: bitter | April 12, 2008, 1:49 pm 1:49 pm
Gen. Washington – A leader must also TELL THE TRUTH. And Obama told the truth: people in small towns in PA ARE BITTER. I should know because I am one and I am bitter.
Posted by: RayJay | April 12, 2008, 1:49 pm 1:49 pm
USmarine0031
I should think that all Americans at this crucial stage in our nation’s history would forget about liberal, far left, right wing labels and vote for the person who speaks to what is actually happening to us, with an aim toward fixing the problem. I trust you didn’t vote for George W. Bush, who was supposedly a “compassionate conservative,” but who voted with the far right wing arm of the Republican Party on every issue that matters most to Americans, with an aim toward making the rich richer, and the rest — well, who cares!
Posted by: Ginny Albert | April 12, 2008, 1:50 pm 1:50 pm
P&K—How you been?
Posted by: BikernAz | April 12, 2008, 1:50 pm 1:50 pm
I have been physically challenged by the last two terms of the Bush administration. We have been told lie after lie. We have been treated like we don’t matter. Bush has made me bitter and angry. The republican senators who have prevented anything good from happening for the country because they were too partisan and too Bush loving. We need change and we need a smart leader to take over after Bush has practically destroyed the government with his incompetent crony appointments. Obama is the hope for a new and better day for America. Don’t let the republicans get away with destroying this fine man who is going to lead us back to a finer day.
Posted by: Vicki | April 12, 2008, 1:50 pm 1:50 pm
Obama is right and Hillary knows it. And so does most of Pa. where her lead has crumbled to six points. Wave bye bye Hilly.
Can’t wait to be rid of the Clintons. They are like the uninvited dinner guests who just won’t leave.
Posted by: Bill | April 12, 2008, 1:52 pm 1:52 pm
melissa – You wrote this is the first time a black ran.
Have you forgotten Jessie Jackson’s run for the dems? He won eleven states back then.
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WHEN WAS THAT? WELL IM NOT THAT OLD AND I HAVENT FOLLOWED POLITICS FOR THAT LONG. BUT THANK YOU FOR BEING NICE WHEN YOU CORRECTED ME :)
Posted by: melissa | April 12, 2008, 1:52 pm 1:52 pm
It would have helped people figure out what he was trying to say if the media and printed the full quote, which started with: “But the truth is that our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there’s not evidence of that in their daily lives…. “
Posted by: jock59801 | April 12, 2008, 1:52 pm 1:52 pm
Who in their rite mind be wantin an old woman for president. Supposing their really be a 3am call and Hillary be having a PMS fit or some other femine stuff, then what. It won’t work! She married and her husband he old too. Supposing he be needing something and she aint around. Maybe he want her to run an errand or fetch something for him. Then what, he have to get the stuff fore hisself?
Posted by: rhbate | April 12, 2008, 1:53 pm 1:53 pm
Obama said what he meant. Spin it anyway that you want to, but Obama’s comments show that he looks down on small town Americans.
Posted by: USmarine0331 | April 12, 2008, 1:54 pm 1:54 pm
at least obama admits when he makes a blunder, unlike hillary, who blames the media and her opponents for manipulating everyone, sleep deprivation, global warming, and the boogey man, and then goes on tv and makes a bigger idiot out of herself by trying to play the fool and make hackneyed jokes about the lies she tells.
she’s like a piece of fish that’s been sitting on a dock in the summer sun for a couple of days.
Posted by: davidfrat4 | April 12, 2008, 1:54 pm 1:54 pm
I don’t claim for an instant that Obama is perfect (He could have phrased his initial comments a little more artfully), but he’s telling the truth, and I admire him for sticking to his guns. If you’re more comfortable with being pandered to by the likes of McCain and Clinton, that’s your right. Some of us, fortunately, want a president who’ll tell it like it is, even if it scares those in the mainstream media. I continue to be impressed by Obama and am honored to support him; I think I’ll make another donation to his campaign right now.
Obama ’08.
Posted by: Oregon Voter | April 12, 2008, 1:56 pm 1:56 pm
Do all you people REALLY think that if Obama is elected the country will magicly change and he will create millions of jobs, the rest of the world will love us and all Americans will suddenly hold hands & sing Kum By Ya?
Get real. No president can accomplish these things. He is just saying what he has to so he can get elected and then it will be business as usual (and then he will blame it all on everyone else.
Posted by: aRealist | April 12, 2008, 1:56 pm 1:56 pm
A little girl in PA is giving away little kittens whose eyes are still closed. Obama’s guy stops and asks what kind; she says democrats. He tells Obama who sees a photo op. He comes by a week later and asks the little girl what kind; she says republican. Obama says, but you said to my guy democrats. The little girl says that was before their eyes were open, but now they see.
Posted by: benvictor | April 12, 2008, 1:56 pm 1:56 pm
BikernAz
I’ve been getting by.
We just had another plant close here in Ohio.
The recession is in full force here!!
All you see is For Sale signs and Obama/Hillary signs in yards.
I know your a Hillary supporter, but he’s damn right people are bitter!!
Posted by: power-and-knowledge | April 12, 2008, 1:58 pm 1:58 pm
Obamanation – If you are trying to make people believe that you are a “real” liberal and therefore giving liberals a bad name, it will probably work on the people who already hate liberals (such as yourself I assume), but most of us can figure it out.
Posted by: jock59801 | April 12, 2008, 1:58 pm 1:58 pm
Iraq_Vet,
And I suppose you are aligned with those those unfortunate few who think George W. Bush has done all he can to help America’s standing at home and abroad! What a laugh. The way forward would have to be up, as we can’t get more disgraced as a nation than we have become under the so-called leadership of George W. Bush and the GOP. We can’t become more hated by extremists around the world than we are now. Our word means nothing right now. We need a bridge-builder and that would be Obama! If you would claim that what we have now is worth taking a risk on John McCain, who has admitted his ignorance on the economy — so how will he help us? McCain has a very terrible temper, only hidden by that fake whisper he speaks in. McCain wants to make permanent Bush’s tax cuts for the wealthy. Further, he was all for helping Bear Stearns, but not the people in foreclosure — until someone told him how out of touch was his stance on the matter. In short, McCain is promising us that he will take up permanent residence in Iraq, and continue Bush’s failed policies, and you will trust that instead of giving someone fresh and new a chance? If Americans should decide to vote for John McCain, despite the quagmire the GOP has plunged this country, then we deserve what we have now, and whatever we get in the future!
Posted by: Ginny Albert | April 12, 2008, 2:00 pm 2:00 pm
Clinton tried to hammer in the message that Obama’s comments prove he is out of touch, saying, “If we are striving to bring people together, which I believe we should be, I don’t think it helps to divide our country into one America that is enlightened and one that is not.”
Especially, since we know that you are one of the entitled, right?
Posted by: KS KATTY | April 12, 2008, 2:00 pm 2:00 pm
melissa – Jackson ran in 1984.
Posted by: Dogsoldier | April 12, 2008, 2:01 pm 2:01 pm
A lot of you are out and out racists who should be ashamed of yourselves. Obama is probably smarter than most of us posting here today. What a wonderful day it will be when we can have someone smart who cares about the country in the whitehouse. That man is Obama.
Posted by: Vicki | April 12, 2008, 2:01 pm 2:01 pm
Keep talking Obama–the more you talk, the deeper the hole. Voted ‘The Most Liberal Senator’ in 2007 you are living up to your billing. Anti-gun, anti-white, anti-small town,anti-America. You are on Judicial Watch’s Ten Most Corrupt Politicians list. Who write your speeches–Jackson, Sharpton, or Farrakhan?
Posted by: Ron Powell | April 12, 2008, 2:01 pm 2:01 pm
aRealist ,
I DONT THINK THAT ANY PRESIDENT WOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT, BUT ITS ABOUT WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT THE OTHER CANIDATES – I DONT THINK THAT OBAMA IS PERFECT NONE OF THEM ARE. BUT I FEAR HILARY AND WHAT SHE WOULDNT DO FOR POWER AND MONEY AND I BELIEVE THE WAR WILL END UP TAKING US DOWN TO A 3RD WORLD COUNTRY STAT. PLUS I BELIEVE THAT EVEN IF YOU DONT BELIEVE IN ABORTIONS YOU SHOULDNT HAVE THE RIGHT TO TELL SOMEONE ELSE WHAT THEY CAN AND CANT DO WITH THIER OWN BODY.
Posted by: melissa | April 12, 2008, 2:01 pm 2:01 pm
Is it just me or are these posts getting more and more insane the closer Obama gets to the nomination??
The truth is a gaffe??
He’s not confusing Sunni and Shite.
He’s not ducking sniper fire.
Yet I’m reading some pretty sick posts.
This is America?
Posted by: power-and-knowledge | April 12, 2008, 2:03 pm 2:03 pm
Ginny – You sound like an unpatriotic “blame-America_first” type who does nothing but complain and undermine the President in a time of war. You cut and run types are nothing but traitors who are stabbing us soldiers in the back! You’ll get yours one day soon!
Posted by: Iraq_Vet | April 12, 2008, 2:04 pm 2:04 pm
Fact: Obama has clearly stated he will raise taxes. Some people think that their taxes will not go up. However, the dirty little secret is that Obama considers anyone who earns more than 75,000 a year, rich. That’s a lot of people. Not to mention the taxes that will go up due to higher taxes on energy which could cost each family up to 3,000 a year more. So in Obama’s Utopian view of the world, Obama will sit on high and decide who is worthy to get how much of the money he has confiscated from the so called rich. That is after all the State workers, who will grow in size to staff all the new Obama government programs, corrupt politicians and Rezco types get their share of the cut. There may not be much left over after all the aforementioned get their cut of the people’s money. Oh well as the saying goes “there is a sucker born every day”.
Posted by: changewhat | April 12, 2008, 2:06 pm 2:06 pm
Hi all Hillary’s twisted mentality is going to drag this country. Believe me she is the only person who trys to be someone else while she knows it that she is lier, exaggerator, and often times evil to any person who has a different openion from hers. she will continue to twist and bend things as long as she things they serve her ill-consived ieology.
Posted by: tuma | April 12, 2008, 2:38 pm 2:38 pm
LOL,
Go ahead and vote for McCain. As you can see the GOP is only for the RICH — and all white people are not rich any more than all of any of the other races. The GOP has shown what it cares for the people of this nation — ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. They will say “The American people want us to stay in Iraq. The American people want us to win in Iraq” — despite polls that speak contrary to this. Go ahead, continue to vote based on race; vote for those who got us where we are now, and suffer for it! Just remember, for all your death wish, you’ll be taking the rest of us with you. Remember “It rains on the bad AND the just.” If we collectively make the wrong decision, the payment for that decision is also collective!
Posted by: Ginny Albert | April 12, 2008, 2:38 pm 2:38 pm
Hi all. Hillary’s twisted mentality is going to drag this country. Believe me she is the only person who trys to be someone else while she knows it that she is a lier, exaggerator, and often times evil to any person who has different openion from hers. she will continue to twist and bend things as long as she things they serve her ill-consived ieology.
Posted by: tuma | April 12, 2008, 2:39 pm 2:39 pm
“And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations” it the TRUTH. People are bitter against the government and the big corp. and rightfully so. When there jobs are ship overseas…I know i was when I got laid off from job. So i felt back to what I know my religion and prayed for strength and direction…
Posted by: Georgiaboy | April 12, 2008, 2:39 pm 2:39 pm
Obama has no “HUMILITY” , the Rev Wright remark and now an arrogant remark to Pennsylvania voters. Mr Obama the voters of Pennsylvania are not stupid and work hard just like the rest of America, I hope they make you drop another 10 points in this important swing state. Tennessee Voter
Posted by: EFarris38 | April 12, 2008, 2:40 pm 2:40 pm
Obama is in touch with blue collar democrats all right! After graduating college the Obama’s claimed on their taxes they made $200,000, they sent their kids to a summer camp that cost $20,000. I wish this democrat had $200,000 of money struggles! I hop Hillary beats him in PA by double digits!
Posted by: John in Cape May | April 12, 2008, 2:41 pm 2:41 pm
Obama said those things off the cuff in front of a group of MILLIONAIRES contributing to his campaign to inundate the Pennsylvania air ways with his slick and lying advertising. He was truthful about his thinking then. No, he didn’t say it well. But small town America now knows exactly what he thinks of them — not much.
Bye Bye Barack. Go write another book.
Posted by: beebop | April 12, 2008, 2:41 pm 2:41 pm
Many Democrats simply do not want the party to make the same mistake twice by nominating another Kerry-like shallow, arrogant, platitude-spouting, gas-bag – who is so mentally deficient from extensive drug use he even has to plagiarize his hollow platitudes!.
Thanks to “uncle” jeremiah, the true nature of hussein has finally been revealed. For nearly twenty years hussein has been the disciple and avid follower and supporter of this racial bigot. hussein has publicly praised wright on numerous occasions. wright’s vile, bigoted harangues against America, in general, and white Americans, in particular, illustrate the true foundation of hussein and the “church” of which he is a devout member. The foundation of hussein is racial division and strife – not unity. If it were not for the thin veneer of whitewash slapped on him by his handlers, I would expect him to adopt wright’s “God Da’mn America” as his theme song. hussein is clearly an outrageously unacceptable candidate for any elected office or position of responsibility in America.
Posted by: ALEX H. | April 12, 2008, 2:42 pm 2:42 pm
The man speaks the truth and everyone is up in arms. History is really what divides the Hillary/Obama camps. Those who think the Clintons sold out the Democrats and got us part way where we are today (the 90s economy was built on a bubble and the middle class continued to erode during the era) are in the Obama camp, because they don’t think more of the same can work, and are willing to put their trust in a fresh new articulate and intelligent leader. Those in the Clinton camp think it would be just fine to go back to the 1990s, or are obsessed with preserving the Clinton dynasty because they think it is the Dems only answer to the Bush’s. It’s probably no secret who I support (Obama), but anyone swayed by day to day gotcha moments for either side probably shouldn’t be voting in the primaries.
Posted by: stoney | April 12, 2008, 2:43 pm 2:43 pm
tuma – Obama seems to be doing well in the mess up department himself. How many “explanations” has Obama given since San Fran? Perhaps you could even “explain” why Obama did NOT want any press covering his San Fran speech to big donors?
Posted by: Dogsoldier | April 12, 2008, 2:44 pm 2:44 pm
Everyone needs to read the article that came out in TIME today. It’s all about Sen. Obama’s mother and how he was brought up. It is very enlightening and troublesome. His father basically deserted him and his mother not long after his birth, she remarried to apparently a very nice man from Indonesia, they moved there, he started to achieve success in the oil business, and she left him when Obama was 10. From that age on, he lived with his grandparents (at 14 he chose not to move back to Indonesia with his mother). Isn’t it interesting that his book is all about his father? His father was never a part of his life, he says his mother’s inherent goodness is his guide, his grandparents raised him, and yet he doesn’t laud them as the people who instilled his values!
Posted by: GR | April 12, 2008, 2:46 pm 2:46 pm
John in Cape May ,
NONE OF THE PEOPLE RUNNING ARE POOR OR HAD A PROBLEM WITH GOOD EDUCATION! HILARY LEAST OF ALL WHO HAS TONS OF MONEY! WHAT IS YOUR POINT?
Posted by: melissa | April 12, 2008, 2:46 pm 2:46 pm
Lol,
“Ginny Albert i think i will vote for Mccain!! I dont need food stamps or someone to pay my bills because i work for my living!! In another words im not white trash and dont need a handout which the democrates live for!!!”
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Well, my dear, good for you. But all do not share your lofty and fortunate circumstances. Needless to say, this shows why you lack compassion. Perhaps if you were one of the have nots, you’d feel differently. And again, if the govt can help the corporate big wigs, then they can help the taxpayers!
Posted by: Ginny Albert | April 12, 2008, 2:49 pm 2:49 pm
Don’t worry, by Sunday morning, the news shows will be twisting his words around to make Obama look like a wonderful guy again. Chris Matthews has been running a virtual Obama infomercial every week disguised as a news show. Obama is the only candidate in recent memory to make a bigoted statement on a monthly basis and yet be hightly praised by the MSM. Howard Dean yelled at a rally and they drove him out of the race. What a difference.
Posted by: sitting1 | April 12, 2008, 2:49 pm 2:49 pm
i’m so ashamed and proud @ the same time What a paradox our country is becoming and is going through. As I have been studying the blogs from many sources and trying to detect gender from the context, I found that more men support Hillary than women do. I think this tells us a lot about our society. If you can just take a step back and think about what you are writing.
80% of the men write logically 20% emotionally. 56% of the women write emotionally while about 30%write logically an 14% are torn yet either overly excited or confused.
You may say how i could tell this is boggus. well maybe. But first of all women’s blogs are easily detectable. ofcourse there are less than 1% who purposly try to confuse their gender ID. For better or for for worse at least I took the time to study this because I care about what is happening to our country.
I tried to tacle the race difference it was harder but nonetheless visible. I found AA men like white men are not as harsh on Hillary and the hillary AA supporter are older looking from the experience they write about they go from 40 + to 60+ Younger AA are plain rude and could not tell if they were male or female because younger crowd have a new unisex language now like one size fits all. and they can be explosive at times.As I said earlier the race study is not conclusive and I’m still at it.Anyway this is notthe firsttime that I’m proud of the men of this country Hillary need to have more of them to come down from Mars to win this thing.
Posted by: ruthmatters | April 12, 2008, 2:49 pm 2:49 pm
Each time, I saw Obama`s face, I felt the anger and sadness, it scared me.
Posted by: W | April 12, 2008, 2:50 pm 2:50 pm
Probably because the book was titled “Dreams From My Father.” Stupid Point try again.
Posted by: Jason | April 12, 2008, 2:50 pm 2:50 pm
I’m bitter that for the last 7 and a half years we’ve had the most inept president in history. I’m bitter about the war and loss of jobs and the loss of civil liberties and the destruction of the environment. I’m bitter that the government gets nothing done and I’m bitter that McCain and Clinton are speaking as if they were the same person. These two are multimillionaires and they have the flipping audacity to claim that someone else is out of touch because he says that people are fed up, frustrated and bitter. Well he forgot angry. We are sick and tired of this politics as usual and that is why I’m voting for Obama. So if you all want to parse that and that word and ignore that fact that people are bitter than vote as you choose, but if you want someone who actually speaks the truth and knows that people are bitter and angry then vote for Obama.
Posted by: Jim B | April 12, 2008, 2:54 pm 2:54 pm
He wasn’t saying that people are religious BECAUSE they are bitter. He was saying that religion becomes bitter and divisive when people themselves are bitter and angry. They take their bitterness to the things that they love, especially religion. Obama is himself a religious man…let’s not get make something out of nothing.
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Yeah, we heard all about his “religion” from his Uncle Jeramiah. Think his church in Chicago is bitter?
Posted by: Texas Lil | April 12, 2008, 2:55 pm 2:55 pm
He thinks that we cling to God , God is our faith,it is what keeps us from being bitter, our guns or our pass time, we like to hunt, But he is right about not liking illegal immigrants I know he approves of them, and he thinks that our borders should be open, we don’t they take our jobs, our homes, our children future, they need to stay in their own country,And he is damn right about being anti-trade , we have watched it destroy our homes our country, Now I also know he is in favor of the trade agreements, with other nations, he has not problem seeing them take our jobs, I am not bitter, I am how ever tried of his lies and your lies, I am tried of the back stroke, the explaining what I meant but what you thought I was saying double talk, shuck and jive,,,,,
Obamaisacon: Based on your posts, I believe the person Obama was talking about was you. You are upset about where this country is going, and how it affects our state. Do you feel empowered to change that right now, or are you angry because you feel like you have to scream to be heard? I watched this country’s policies towards workers break down my father, and over time that kind of thing changes a person in ways they don’t realize. It makes you reactionary, it makes you lash out, it makes you stand on whatever line in the dust hasn’t been rubbed out yet, and that’s called being bitter and mad. And being bitter and mad doesn’t mean you are weak, it means you are strong. It’s what happens when proud people who don’t want to quit look for something vital to hang on to. My dad really against illigal immigration because it hurts American workers. Unfortunately, it has also made him a bit racist. He has a weakness, but he isn’t weak. Weak people give up and quit, strong people stand up and find a way to be heard about something that is important to them. Strong people turn to God when they are down. Weak people walk away from God. We just have to be careful that when we focus on the things that are most important to use we do it the right way.
Posted by: B | April 12, 2008, 2:56 pm 2:56 pm
P&K— Things arent all that great in Az. We have a telecom and data business. We are down about 30% from last years. That equates to two less employees. I don’t know that either of these candidates are perfect but they are better than option 3.
Posted by: BikernAz | April 12, 2008, 2:57 pm 2:57 pm
This man is an epitom of lies and deceit Americans run away far far far away from him before he tears America into pieces .YOu will now see the Useless media ot this country runing to embelish his remarks. Americans stand up stand against this tyranny of Obama and the so called useless American press
A vote for McCain to me is a lot more and far better than a vote for Obama . I know this man has one agenda against AAmerica and he will only save the rich and leve the poor to themselves. VOTE AGAINST OBAMA AND LIBERATE AMERICA.He has misspoken now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! or what ?????????
Posted by: A True black American | April 12, 2008, 2:57 pm 2:57 pm
Let’s face it, I tried not to think it, but from some of your comments you all appear to be the RACIST ones. How I wish we could get past ones color. The way some of you think we’ll never make it until or unless the younger generation pulls us out. Are you that racist toward you sports or college team that work in a cooperative spirit. Hil-LIE-ry is playing you for VOTES. ONCE AGAIN TRYING TO CAPITALIZE ON RACIAL FEELINGS. Barack is right. WE need to focus on coming together and solving problems. He NEVER called anyone a bigot. That is only in your mind. Good luck America if you want another FOUR YEARS of the average American getting the short end of the stick. Trillion $ defict,recessions,foreclosures,bailout of Bear Stearns Etc.
Posted by: tukss | April 12, 2008, 2:57 pm 2:57 pm
Clinton rewrites history again. Hillary forgot to mention that her father was a successful businessman and her mother did not work outside of the home. Hillary never knew poverty or even struggling middle class. Obama saw poverty up-close during his childhood. Obama lived a lower middle class life style in Hawaii. I would guess that Hillary’s father paid for her college.
There are many bitter and angry Americans in all states that have suffered at the hands of political decisions made by many in power, including Hillary Clinton that has a long history of unethical business deals that have made her rich.
CBS Poll: Views On Economy At All-Time Low, Apr 4, 2008
81% in Poll Say Nation Is Headed on Wrong Track http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/04/us/04poll.html?em&ex=1207627200&en=824e89eaa8c1414a&ei=5070
Hillary’s father, Hugh E. Rodham, attended college on a football scholarship. He was a “very successful career in the textile supply industry. … In 1950, they moved to the more affluent Chicago suburb of Park Ridge, Illinois. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Ellsworth_Rodham http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Ellsworth_Rodham
Posted by: Julie | April 12, 2008, 2:57 pm 2:57 pm
Ginny – Dictatorship? you can get rid of a dictator after 4 or 8 years? well, with that definition, then dictatorship isn’t too bad. If you don’t embrace capitalism, then just sit on your butt and wait for the government to hand out other’s hard working money to feed your lazy butt. by the way, how do you think our welfare system?? You should do some more researches on Obama’s speech about taxing on $30,000 or more. Also, for someone to say he was never a muslim when both his father were muslims and live in a muslim country for 5, 6 years. it is you that’s an idiot to not see through it. Blind and Deaf people will vote for obama. You’re blind because you can’t see he’s lying to you and you’re deaf because you don’t hear him and his associates giving you hints of what they’re going to do to this country. “barract will not allow you to go back to your normal lives…”michelle
Posted by: hannah | April 12, 2008, 2:57 pm 2:57 pm
D….It sounds to me like you are just what Obama was trying to say…You are Bitter, the way you are down grading Obama! It sounds to me like you have a problem with his success. I don’t like Hillary but I don’t say she shoud not be a Senator. You are very BITTER!
Posted by: Emilianna | April 12, 2008, 3:00 pm 3:00 pm
I am a black independent here in NY, and I must admit that the more I’ve seen and heard from the democrat candidates and their surrogates, the more that I’ve been turned off almost completely on voting democrat. I am now leaning towards McCain…and would lean towards him even moreso if Condi Rice were on the ticket.
The ironic thing is, I understand what Obama was trying to say, but when he generalized an entire region of people, it really says alot about him…and it’s not flattering. I am black and empowered enough with the knowledge that racism and elitism can go in both directions…and that the training wheels that we’ve been given in life that absolves us as African Americans to the charge of racism, should be discarded.
Posted by: Che Fidel - Brooklyn, NY | April 12, 2008, 3:01 pm 3:01 pm
The Clinton campaign’s attempt at twisting Sen Obama’s use of the term “bitter” is as obvious as Pres Clinton’s attempt at twisting what the mean of “is” is!
Posted by: Rodeovyn | April 12, 2008, 3:01 pm 3:01 pm
Don’t respond to LOL. He just wants to see how many people he can offend. He’s a waste of good oxygen.
Posted by: Jason | April 12, 2008, 3:04 pm 3:04 pm
Don’t respond to LOL. He just wants to see how many people he can offend. He’s a waste of good oxygen.
Posted by: Jason | April 12, 2008, 3:04 pm 3:04 pm
How can anyone in good conscience vote for Barack H Obama ? There is no way he is going to win come Nov. Even against a sure lose McCain.
Posted by: KURT | April 12, 2008, 3:04 pm 3:04 pm
THIS HAS TURN INTO A I HATE YOU AND WHAT AMERICANS CAN I TALK CRAP ABOUT SO IM LEAVING…
Posted by: melissa | April 12, 2008, 3:05 pm 3:05 pm
If the Democrats had not opposed President Bush in his efforts to let our Nation find and use it’s own oil and coal as a source of energy, we would not be as dependant on the Middle East for energy and energy prices would be lower, much lower. Further, if the Democrats, including Obama, get in power, the taxes for energy could go up to as much as $3000 a year more per family. So again, why would you want to vote for Obama when he will raise, not only individual taxes, but everyone’s energy taxes. Taxes that will be spent on a building up a lot of bloated bureacracies. Taxes that will go to the called green energy companies with their pie and the sky ideas (I say scams) for alternative energy. So while the pockets of the government workers and the favored so called green energy companies are bulging with money confiscated from the people, the people will be paying higher prices for fuel and waiting in long lines for fuel due to fuel shortages. Further more, Obama will tell everyone that the answer for alternative energy is just around the corner we just need to raise your taxes some more. However, without the profit motive of the free market at play, don’t expect the government funded green energy companies to come up with a solution real soon as they will lobbying Obama for more tax payer money to fund more of their never ending research.
Posted by: changewhat | April 12, 2008, 3:06 pm 3:06 pm
Ever since the gun lobby and the Christian evangelicals in Colorado Springs discovered eachother, it has been taboo to credit loose enforcement of gun ownership and/or the severance of Church and State.
Obama breached that taboo . . . all hell broke loose . . . despite the fact that a gun carrying evangelical shot and killed four people in Colorado. Clearly, this merits discussion.
Gun ownership and the separation of Church and State are not taboo topics. They are topics worthy of discussion. I appreciate the honesty of Obama. To claim that we in this country don’t have a problem with gun violence and the wrongs of “religious” institutions belies the truth.
Look at Columbine, West Virginia Tech, Texas polygists and the marital bed where underage women are raped by old men.
Let’s talk about the dark underbelly.
Posted by: rockyroad | April 12, 2008, 3:07 pm 3:07 pm
Hannah,
“Ginny – Dictatorship? you can get rid of a dictator after 4 or 8 years? well, with that definition, then dictatorship isn’t too bad.”
HUH?
If you don’t embrace capitalism, then just sit on your butt and wait for the government to hand out other’s hard working money to feed your lazy butt.”
I’VE WORKED ALL MY LIFE, SWEETIE! I SIMPLY CARE ABOUT EVERYBODY, INSTEAD OF SIMPLY MYSELF. OUR CIRCUMSTANCES CAN CHANGE AT THE TWINKLING OF AN EYE, AND YOU’D BEST REMEMBER IT!
“by the way, how do you think our welfare system??”
DON’T UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION!
“You should do some more researches on Obama’s speech about taxing on $30,000 or more.”
I’ve done my RESEARCHES! Whew!
“Also, for someone to say he was never a muslim when both his father were muslims and live in a muslim country for 5, 6 years.”
ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS AN UNCONVENCING ARGUMENT. IN SHORT, IT MAKES NO SENSE. YOU’RE SAYING RELIGION IS GENETIC, AND IT’S NOT. OBAMA ISN’T AND WASN’T MUSLIM.
“it is you that’s an idiot to not see through it. Blind and Deaf people will vote for obama. You’re blind because you can’t see he’s lying to you and you’re deaf because you don’t hear him and his associates giving you hints of what they’re going to do to this country. “barract will not allow you to go back to your normal lives…”michelle”
OUR NORMAL LIVES ENDED WHEN GEORGE W. BUSH WAS SELECTED BY HIS BUDDIES ON THE SUPREME COURT. And you are only speculating what an Obama presidency would look like. All of the others running for president have shown you by their longevity in government what they will do, and you want more of it! Interesting and pathetic!
Posted by: Ginny Albert | April 12, 2008, 3:08 pm 3:08 pm
This man is an epitom of lies and deceit Americans run away far far far away from him before he wants to tear America into pieces .You will now see the Useless media in this country runing to embelish his remarks again and or will give one useless speech to twist his words . STOP YOUR DECEIT OBAMA. Americans stand up stand against this tyranny of Obama and the so called useless American press
A vote for McCain to me is a lot more sensible and far better than a vote for Obama . I know this man have one agenda against America and he will only save the rich and leave the poor to themselves. VOTE AGAINST OBAMA AND LIBERATE AMERICA.He has misspoken now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! or what ?????????
Posted by: A True black American | April 12, 2008, 3:08 pm 3:08 pm
Obama is a supreme fraud. He again reveals himself to be just another rich-elite-controlled-want-to-see-results-favorable-to-us-the-elite class –far from a “transformational figure” personifying “change we can believe in”. Obama only intends to serve the interests of America’s wealthy elites, corporations and Wall Street if elected. Still, his hardheartedness toward struggling (white) Americas is notable. Struggling Americans who are conscious of what is happening to our society and the hypocrisy of this new so-called “leader” as the continuing source of their undo hardship ought to be very bitter and outraged, indeed. Nothing could impugn Obama’s self-representation as a man of “the people” more profoundly than his inability to understand and even empathize with that. Let’s hope that all those voters Obama contemptuously dismisses as bitter are reasonable enough to reject a politician as cynical, insensitive, and duplicitous as he is.
Posted by: Definitely Common Sense | April 12, 2008, 3:10 pm 3:10 pm
Even though Obama told the truth, he will at least recognize others feelings immediately, and try to honor them. I wish Hill had done this one time, even though she never even connects with the people period. Her campaign is always so canned and her speeches look like speeches, her actions seem acted, and always self interest. Here in Texas I was Rep..for years because of religion and the high road political route it paved. This election I voted for Obama in the primaries and will in the election as well. Obama won Texas the press will never admit it though. The caucus vote was 59/41 Obama
Posted by: GAWANIA | April 12, 2008, 3:14 pm 3:14 pm
Just think, Obama will be picking the next Supreme Court appointee (for life). Fortunately, we know the appointee will not be from a small town, will not be affiliated with a religion, and will be opposed to hunting. I hope we get to keep fishing, I like my fishing.
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Obama, we’re sorry you bowled 37. It’s not our fault. We didn’t know you went to Harvard. You’re special.
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Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | April 12, 2008, 3:14 pm 3:14 pm
It is refeshing to hear some good honest truth aout ourselves..Some people object to what Obama was saying but know it is true…We need to be frank with ourselves…I was voting for McCain but Obamas comments have chnged my mind. I will vote for him…It will be pleasent to have a president that will tell us like it is and not lie and do things behind our backs…Go mR Obama!
Posted by: Tim | April 12, 2008, 3:14 pm 3:14 pm
Jason,
Thanks for the advice re lol — I’ll listen. He’s not worth responding too. And nor is Hannah, might I add. They’re both a waste of time and brain power!
We the people need to pull together and decide how best to solve our problems and our differences. We can’t change the past, but we can be certain that we don’t repeat it by changing hence forth! Do we agree that each and every one of us has the right to the pursuit of life, liberty and happiness? Then let’s try it, and vote for the candidate who best embodies this principle!
Posted by: Ginny Albert | April 12, 2008, 3:15 pm 3:15 pm
LOL…..I am a black women and I LOVE YOU!
Posted by: Emilianna | April 12, 2008, 3:15 pm 3:15 pm
The racist comments in here make me sad to live in America. I can not believe that in 2008 there are so many idiots like this.
Posted by: Marie | April 12, 2008, 3:15 pm 3:15 pm
Hillary is so right about Obama’s being out-of-touch with most Americans. This also shows Obama’s poor judgment. He doesn’t think before he speaks and doesn’t think before he acts. Also,Obama won’t wear a US flag lapel pin; he won’t put his hand over his heart during the pledge of allegiance to our flag; his wife has never been proud of the US till now, he associates with anti-White, anti-US, anti-Jewish Rev. Wright, etc., etc., yet Obama lies and says Obama is patriotic.
Posted by: Doreen | April 12, 2008, 3:16 pm 3:16 pm
The racist blogs against black people are OBVIOUSLY Obama supporters trying to make everyone else look bad. Keep this in mind when you see posts that are blatantly racist against blacks…
Posted by: jack | April 12, 2008, 3:17 pm 3:17 pm
Obama needs to hire a full time person to make amends after every speech with a “What he really meant was…..”
LOL.
Posted by: Jo | April 12, 2008, 3:17 pm 3:17 pm
To Nicolas who said “sure you are che fidel, sure you are”.
I understand that it’s hard for someone to believe that an African American can think for themselves and maybe possible vote for a party other than the Democrats. I understand that as an African American, people like you think that my voting choices should for some reason ONLY be limited to democrat candidates. Well, I’ll make you happy…maybe I’m a sell-out, or maybe I’m an Uncle Tom right, right? Or maybe, I just gave everyone a fair chance, listnen to all the views and positions out their…and avoid taking too seriosusly those I come across that have too much of a political agenda, except with a grain-of-salt.
Nicolas, we all love this country..Democrats, Republicans, Independents, & Libertarians. We may differ on how we go about achieving certain goals etc. But we all love this country, dude.
By the way…I am Black, originally from Trinidad & Tobago, and I am a citizen here in the US…and love this country very much. But I am not and never be behoven to any one political party…sorry.
Posted by: Che Fidel - Brooklyn, NY | April 12, 2008, 3:17 pm 3:17 pm
Marie, I can’t believe in 2008 there are churches out there like Obama’s. Sad to see after all the great things happening for African Americans in this country.
Posted by: Jo | April 12, 2008, 3:18 pm 3:18 pm
Some one is making false posts under my name. I did not make the last post above using racist lanquage. Says to me that the so called Obama supporters will stoop to the lowest depths to stop people from speaking their minds about Obama and his plan to raise taxes for use. That is a policy difference that has nothing to do with race. I am so sorry that there are so many hateful people in the Obama camp that would try to slur someone else by falsely using there name. You should be a shame of your self. Thus because of the above false use of my changewhat name, I will no longer be using this name in any future posts. And if anyone uses the name “changewhat” it is not me and I will hold them legally liable and proceed to take legal action against them.
Posted by: changewhat | April 12, 2008, 3:18 pm 3:18 pm
I’m with Hillary 100%!!!!!!
Posted by: Joe | April 12, 2008, 3:18 pm 3:18 pm
Jo…I agree. I am disgusted by racism from both sides. It is appalling and sad.
Posted by: Marie | April 12, 2008, 3:20 pm 3:20 pm
The good news about all of this is that when Obama loses big in November, no one can blame it on racism. Everyone will know it’s arrogant comments like these and his special friendship with Rev. Wright.
Obama brought himself down, nothing else.
Posted by: Jo | April 12, 2008, 3:20 pm 3:20 pm
i’m so ashamed and proud @ the same time What a paradox our country is becoming and is going through. As I have been studying the blogs from many sources and trying to detect gender from the context, I found that more men support Hillary than women do. I think this tells us a lot about our society. If you can just take a step back and think about what you are writing.
80% of the men write logically 20% emotionally. 56% of the women write emotionally while about 30%write logically an 14% are torn yet either overly excited or confused.
You may say how i could tell this is boggus. well maybe. But first of all women’s blogs are easily detectable. ofcourse there are less than 1% who purposly try to confuse their gender ID. For better or for for worse at least I took the time to study this because I care about what is happening to our country.
I tried to tacle the race difference it was harder but nonetheless visible. I found AA men like white men are not as harsh on Hillary and the hillary AA supporter are older looking from the experience they write about they go from 40 + to 60+ Younger AA are plain rude and could not tell if they were male or female because younger crowd have a new unisex language now like one size fits all. and they can be explosive at times.As I said earlier the race study is not conclusive and I’m still at it.Anyway this is notthe firsttime that I’m proud of the men of this country Hillary need to have more of them to come down from Mars to win this thing.
Posted by: ruthmatters | April 12, 2008, 3:21 pm 3:21 pm
Thank goodness that Hillary is just preaching to the choir in her campaign stops. Nothing but firmly decided Hillary supporters. The undecided voters are not really undecided, just insecure Hillary supporters afraid to commit, or just voters enjoying the silly attention that comes from friends that try to convince you which way to vote. You can just put almost all of them down for Hillary right now. She will win by around 10 points in Pennsylvania, but it won’t matter. Reminds me of the old SNL comedy skits about “undecided” voters trying to get maximum mileage and leverage from their “undecided” vote. On to North Carolina and Indiana.
Posted by: rco | April 12, 2008, 3:22 pm 3:22 pm
Obama is just saying what he thinks and believe in….NOTHING..HE DOESNST BELIEVE IN ANYTHING EVEN THOUGH HE PREACH THEM..HE JUST WANNA SURVIVE THIS WICKED WORLD AND ANY WHICH WAY IS KOOL.
Posted by: connerstone77 | April 12, 2008, 3:23 pm 3:23 pm
Kate,
You may think you are great, but you have a fan base of one.
To say: “Also, for someone to say he was never a muslim when both his father were muslims and live in a muslim country for 5, 6 years. it is you that’s an idiot to not see through it. Blind and Deaf people will vote for obama.”
You are a bigoted idiot. Redundant.
Clearly, you’ve never expanded your horizons beyond the clothes line out back. In the real world, it’s possible to visit a Chinese country and enjoy the culture without becoming a communist, to visit a slum without being a slum lord, to have gay friends without being either gay or have contracted AIDS.
You are an idiot. Obama is not Muslim. He is not Osama. My heavens, a child, you totally got left behind.
Posted by: rockyroad | April 12, 2008, 3:23 pm 3:23 pm
The DNC and superdelegates should seriously think about Obama’s electability now.
Posted by: echo | April 12, 2008, 3:23 pm 3:23 pm
I am bitter because of high gas prices. I am bitter because of our economic crisis. I am bitter because we are spending billions of my taxes to repair Iraq while they get rich and keep there money in the banks and gain interest. I bitter because all the factories jobs are outsource overseas…hell who wouldn’t be bitter… I don’t think he is looking down us. I think he is respecting our feelings and emphasizing with us. This surely tells me Hillary and McCain are out of touch with the average American citizen
Posted by: Georgiaboy | April 12, 2008, 3:24 pm 3:24 pm
There are clues everywhere that I believe need to be gathered together, like pieces of a puzzle, that give you important information of who Obama is, what makes up this man, what his true thoughts are, and what is the foundation of his beliefs where everything is built upon. I personally want to know who the author is before I read his book. There have been a slew of clues concerning this man. In my opinion, the revelation of who Sen. Obama has sat under as his pastor opened up a doorway that gave us views of many paths in Obama’s life. The bigotted statements of hate that flowed from his spiritual leader and pastor, the fact that his church honored someone like Rev. Farrahkhan, and now the recent small town statement where he stereo types people as if these town are filled with racists, militaristic, angered unreasonable people, is so narrow focused it crosses into the “danger zone” of prejudice thinking. I want to make it clear, I am not for Hillary, Obama or McCain at this point, so I have no bullets in my gun. It is just the way I see Obama from the facts that are being revealed.
Posted by: kaialoha | April 12, 2008, 3:26 pm 3:26 pm
“both a father” !? do you suggest that Obama is not only the anti-christ, but also a chemistry experiment? . . . perhaps in your world-view, all those madrassa seeking presidential candidates are the spawn of not one, but two fathers . . .
for the likes of you, even a madrassa education would have been better than none at all.
How the heck did you ever get your hands on a computer and learn the a,b, c’s?
Posted by: rockyroad | April 12, 2008, 3:28 pm 3:28 pm
give us a break Doreen with your jingoistic crap…a lapel pin? really?!!? Bush and Cheney wear a US flag lapel pin…’nuff said.
Obama was speaking to the frustration of blue-collar families in Penn, we all know that; Hopefully Penn voters will realize that Obama would be the best choice to help them economically, health care, etc. Clinton and McCain are just waiting fot anything they can try to distort…pathetic.
I used to have some respect for Clinton, but not after her desperate and dishonest campaign; and not after McCain has kissed the arse of the religious right and the rush limbaughs, bill cunninghams, rod parseleys of the world.
Obama ’08
Posted by: miles1967 | April 12, 2008, 3:30 pm 3:30 pm
I would like people like Ginny and other O’bama supporters to respond to this. An individual’s pastor/church has a profound and often unrecognized (that is, unconscious) influence. This type of influence is similar to a doctor-patient or lawyer-client relationship. A person would be ignorant to reject this. Now, a quote from O’bama’s website: “The vision statement of Trinity United Church of Christ is based upon the systematized liberation theology that started in 1969 with the publication of Dr. James Cone’s book, Black Power and Black Theology.” Dr. James Cone has stated: “There is, then, a desperate need for a black theology, a theology whose sole purpose is to apply the freeing power of the gospel to black people under white oppression. . . The black theologian must reject any conception of God which stifles black self-determination by picturing God as a God of all peoples. . . We should not conclude that the Bible is an infallible witness. . . Black Theology is the theological arm of Black Power, and Black Power is the political arm of Black Theology. . . Whiteness [symbolizes] the ethnocentric activity of madmen sick with their own self-concept. . . The ‘raceless’ American Christ has a light skin, wavy brown hair, and sometimes – wonder of wonders – blue eyes. For whites to find him with big lips and kinky hair is as offensive as it was for the Pharisees to find him partying with tax-collectors. But whether whites want to hear it or not, Christ is black, baby, with all of the features which are so detestable to white society.” Thus, it does not surprise me that the Trumpet Newsmagazine, whose CEO and founder is Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., awarded Luis Farrakhan the “Lifetime Achievement Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr. Trumpeter Award.” The same Luis Farrakhan who is a well-know racist. Now Ginny, and others who so staunchly support O’bama, tell me that Martin Luther King, Jr. would have go to O’bama’s Church given that their vision statement comes from Dr. James Cone. Martin Luther King, Jr. has said: Beneath all the satisfaction of a gratifying slogan, Black Power is a nihilistic philosophy born out of the conviction that the Negro can’t win. It was born from the wounds of despair and disappointment . . . In the final analysis, the weakness of Black power is its failure to see that the Black man needs the White man and the White man needs the Black man.” Ginny, replace these quotes and replace the word Black with White and tell me how you would feel. Also, tell me how you would feel if a White candidate had attended a Church for 20 years and took their vision statement from a man who would say about Blacks what Dr. Cone and Jeremiah Wright has said about Whites. Let me repeat: An individual’s pastor/church has a profound and often unrecognized (that is, unconscious) influence. This type of influence is similar to a doctor-patient or lawyer-client relationship. A person would be ignorant to reject this.
Posted by: ShelbyBob35051 | April 12, 2008, 3:30 pm 3:30 pm
I once described Obama as a well-spoken bigot. I must take that back. He is just a bigot.
Posted by: sitting1 | April 12, 2008, 3:30 pm 3:30 pm
Obama is as American as America GETS. Most Americans seem to have forgotten what America is and means which is New World. America is not racism, riches, rot. America is freedom not to hurt each other because of our differences but to celebrate our differences in unity. Whether we differ in race, religion or politics America stood for the pure, the uncorrupt, the right way. Our current epithat seems to be the lying, theiving, bs,and cheating is the way to the American people. I never thought I would see the day so much hate because a black man is winning this Dem primary.
Posted by: GAWANIA | April 12, 2008, 3:31 pm 3:31 pm
Don’t put your faith in Obama, my father said to me, I fear you’ll find that he is like the lovely lemon tree.
Lemon tree very pretty and the lemon flower is sweet, but the fruit of the Obama is too bitter to eat.
We can’t all be editors of the Harvard Law Review or disciples of Saul Alinsky.
That is the price of elitism.
Posted by: Lance | April 12, 2008, 3:31 pm 3:31 pm
hey I live in a small town,and I am not larry the cable guy,obama,flush your head down the toilet…
Posted by: steve t | April 12, 2008, 3:32 pm 3:32 pm
hey aside from few who are racists like Lol who is posting here and who should have his citizenship revoked, America is by far the less racist country in the world. You should try going to Europe or even China to understand what racist is. Obama is not electable not because of his race but because of his lies and his inexperience to be a leader of country of 300 mil to o enexperienced I’m afraid. So you guys cut the racist crap . Plus we know it’s comming from the Obama clan most of it anyway. We did not fall from a tunip truck to see what you are up too. Hillary 08
Posted by: ruthmatters | April 12, 2008, 3:32 pm 3:32 pm
Iraq_Vet : D’ont you know that white americans come from different part of the world?
Posted by: Joel | April 12, 2008, 3:33 pm 3:33 pm
I find Obama’s “bitter” comment to be a bit offensive. I hope that this comment finally shows the country what he really is: an elitist. People were somehow able to overlook his relationship with Rev. Wright, which I don’t understand because he sat in the man’s church for years, accepting the hatred spewing from his mouth, yet he did nothing about it until the media caught on.
People like to talk about the missteps of the Clinton campaign, but the Obama campaign has made some stumbles along the way too, especially with Rev. Wright, and now Obama’s “bitter” comment. This is shocking for Obama, however, given that he likes to pride himself with his “superior judgment” (You have to have a president who’s “right” on day one.) I prefer him not be the democratic nominee. Hopefully, the superdelegates will realize that Hillary is the better suited candidate.
Posted by: Wes | April 12, 2008, 3:33 pm 3:33 pm
To “Rodeo Joe” who at 3:03:22 pm said “sure you are dude, sure you are”.
I understand that it’s hard for someone to believe that an African American can think for themselves and maybe possible vote for a party other than the Democrats. I understand that as an African American, people like you think that my voting choices should for some reason ONLY be limited to democrat candidates. Well, I’ll make you happy…maybe I’m a sell-out, or maybe I’m an Uncle Tom right, right? Or maybe, I just gave everyone a fair chance, listen to all the views and positions out their…and avoid taking too seriously those I come across that have too much of a political agenda, except with a grain-of-salt.
Nicolas, we all love this country…Democrats, Republicans, Independents, & Libertarians. We may differ on how we go about achieving certain goals etc. But we all love this country, dude.
By the way…I am Black, originally from Trinidad & Tobago, and I am a citizen here in the US…and love this country very much. But I am not, and never will be behoven to any one political party…sorry.
Posted by: Che Fidel - Brooklyn, NY | April 12, 2008, 3:33 pm 3:33 pm
Stay away from Pennsylvania!
Obama says it is full of bitter people!!!
LOL
Posted by: USmarine0331 | April 12, 2008, 3:34 pm 3:34 pm
kaialoha,
NICE . . . we’ll really be looking to you for political insite . . . a not so subtle reference to lynching.
Even Hillary and Bill will disavow any affiliation with you.
You said:
“Another knot in the noose for Obama. Keep dividing America there Obama, great work.
Hillary 08!!”
Oh yeah. You make us all proud to be Americans.
Posted by: rockyroad | April 12, 2008, 3:36 pm 3:36 pm
ShelbyBob35051..
I went to Catholic School for all of education. We went to church Twice a week and Sunday school. I sat there and listened to the priest talk and talk..pro-life this–gays are bad that. Guess what. I am 31 and not Catholic. And although that stuff was shoved down my throat for 12+ years I was smart enough to know that I too do not have to think that way. So your arguement holds no weight in my opinion. Only simple minded people listen to everything their pastor/priest has to say.
Posted by: Marie | April 12, 2008, 3:37 pm 3:37 pm
It must make those far left liberal democrats and Obama very angry. Obama outspends Hillary 5 to 1 in PA and he still can’t win. But, the liberal media says, he will win PA in the general! Really? Because small town people are sooo stupid?
Posted by: rs | April 12, 2008, 3:38 pm 3:38 pm
Boy, I see alot of “Bitterness” and “Anger” here in alot of these posts.
Posted by: David | April 12, 2008, 3:39 pm 3:39 pm
OBAMA LIES AGAIN Hillary Clinton never voted for the Brankruptcy Bill of 2005. Hillary Clinton was the sole Senator not voting on the bill, due to the fact that Bill Clinton had heart surgery that day. From Senator Clinton’s official statement on the bill:This bankruptcy bill fundamentally fails to accord with the traditional purposes of bankruptcy, which recognize that we are all better off when hard-working people who have suffered financial catastrophe get a “fresh start” and a second chance to become productive and contributing members of society. With the passage of this legislation, which makes obtaining this fresh start more expensive and more difficult, we are ensuring that many responsible Americans will continue to be buried under mountains of debt, and unable to take back control and responsibility for their lives.In the days before S.256 was finally brought to the floor Senator Clinton voted for every amendment which would have added consumer protections to the bankruptcy bill. Amendments which were repeatedly rejected by both the Republican majority and far too many Democrats. She even voted against cloture in an attempt to keep the final bill from coming to a vote at all.Several commentors correctly noted that Hillary Clinton supported the earlier bill (although she voted for amendments adding consumer protections in that bill as well). She wasn’t the only Democrat to change her position (voting for the 2001 bill and against the 2005 bill) and I’m not qualified to compare the differences between them.However, several articles have discussed her change of position, including this recent article in the NYTimes.For what it’s worth, Democratic Senators Akaka, Cantwell, Dorgan, Feinstein, Leahy, Levin, Lieberman, Mikulski, Murray, Nelson (Fl), Schumer and Wyden switched in the same direction as Clinton. John Edwards, who also voted for the 2001 bill, suggested he would have switched his vote as well.
Posted by: A True black American | April 12, 2008, 3:39 pm 3:39 pm
You guys are missing the point…. Obama, in his arrogant tone, basically insulted all small-town people for the “mistaken” values they have! How can he say that small-town people “cling to guns or religion or anti-pathy towards others” as a result of our frustration? That is like saying we use religion (or other values Obama happens to disagree with) as a CRUTCH to get by…. WHAT ARROGANCE!!!! Remember…he also was stereotyping about the “typical white person (who has) a reaction that’s been bred into our experiences” What an elitist!!!
Posted by: MDB | April 12, 2008, 3:40 pm 3:40 pm
To Krissy at 3:35:02pm…sure I am “what”? Fair minded? Balanced? Open to different ideas and opinions?
Please, enlightnen me…sure I am, “what”? Let me know so that I can work on it, and maybe help improve myself. I’m eagerly waiting your advice…
Posted by: Che Fidel - Brooklyn, NY | April 12, 2008, 3:40 pm 3:40 pm
steve t – I think you’re proving Obama’s point, dude.
Posted by: jmengate | April 12, 2008, 3:40 pm 3:40 pm
I am extremely offended by Obama’s comments and especially by his “spin” focusing on the “bitter” line to cover his comment that small-town America clings to guns, religion and their prejudices out of frustration over their pitiful economic status. He does this in such a way you would think he was describing someone turning to drugs or alchohol to escape their miserable lives.
Posted by: everyvotecounts | April 12, 2008, 3:41 pm 3:41 pm
For the guy who is pretending to make comments under my name: You have proven the tactics that Obama supporters will stoop to in supporting him. Many ethnic groups supported him until his bigotry reared it’s ugly head.
Posted by: sitting1 | April 12, 2008, 3:42 pm 3:42 pm
MDB – I tend to call people elitist when I’m bitter, too.
Posted by: jmengate | April 12, 2008, 3:42 pm 3:42 pm
i live in Reading, PA and a rifle/bow hunter and very religious man and Barak is absolutely right.
no silly i am none of these, i was just trying to mimick the BO supporters who are pretending to be White man from PA and lamely endorsing Barak;s bitter feelings
infact i am a white woman and this is first time i feel proud of being an american
no silly ………..
Posted by: akg | April 12, 2008, 3:42 pm 3:42 pm
………why does he feel that people in small towns are bitter… is he thinking of himself perhaps……
Posted by: Jesse James | April 12, 2008, 3:43 pm 3:43 pm
It was worth reading through a lot of this ignorant, racist dribble just to discover Ginny Albert. Ithink I love you.
Posted by: Rich | April 12, 2008, 3:43 pm 3:43 pm
I’m insulted by o’s comments. Read my name !!!!
Posted by: Big City Gun Toter | April 12, 2008, 3:44 pm 3:44 pm
poor judgement of choosing right words,
poor judgement of choosing right pastor,
church, obama, pl. quit.
Posted by: pam | April 12, 2008, 3:45 pm 3:45 pm
I once thought Obama hated all whites,but now it looks like he only hates the one that cannot afford to give him big bucks,such as middle class,hard working ones.
Rich people keep giving him money not knowing he is laughing behind their stupid backs.
Posted by: Arthur Villarreal | April 12, 2008, 3:45 pm 3:45 pm
Bitter, bitter? I don’t think so. Voters now see through you; as the little girl giving away kittens whose eyes have now opened, so too have the eyes of voters opened. They see empty rhetoric, no experience and a total lack of experience. Where’s the beef? Oh, where is the substance? To you it is bitter not that these GOOD People of the Small Pennsylvania are bitter. Grow up and stay away from the reverend.
Posted by: benvictor | April 12, 2008, 3:45 pm 3:45 pm
The reason why so many folks are expressing their racist views here is because of a false since of cyber security….
Please be advised that God sees every key stroke; and He knows what’s in your heart…..Those hateful words are defiling you; your gutter language is causing you to become more bitter…..angry and sad….
So, you must guard your speech and watch your words….and realize that you do not have the security behind your monitor that you think you do….
Posted by: Words of Wisdom | April 12, 2008, 3:46 pm 3:46 pm
Maybe people should start looking at some of the e-mail on the news sites –
Clinton, McCain, pundits and pollsters are looking more elitist than what they say Obama’s comments are.
First of all it’s a truthful observation, second it’s an understanding of people’s pain, third it’s a uniting topic with the GOP and Democrats — Maybe, just maybe Barack is the person who can strip back that Rhetoric and actually see people for what and who they are and UNITE them together to work for the same things.
Ya think??
Hillary rode McCains train on this and it is going to hurt her.
Posted by: paulet | April 12, 2008, 3:46 pm 3:46 pm
And all of these stupid people who do not want Obama for president make no sense. Because Old white guys have done a horrible job as president.
Posted by: Marie | April 12, 2008, 3:46 pm 3:46 pm
It took the Democrats eight years to try and convince America they were not anti-religion and anti-gun.It didn’t take Obama too long to destroy all that work.
Posted by: sitting1 | April 12, 2008, 3:47 pm 3:47 pm
All who are NOT bitter about billion of American tax paying dollars paying for the reconstruction Iraq and gas prices not to mention our jobs being outsource over seas..rise there hand in here….oh i see No rises their hands in here.. So we are bitter after all.point made
Posted by: georigaboy | April 12, 2008, 3:48 pm 3:48 pm
Arther Villareal – I get bitter when I think people hate me too…..
Posted by: jmengate | April 12, 2008, 3:48 pm 3:48 pm
Am Canadian ,,,,,,,,,,,,,and have been following the U.S politics for sometime now ,and I think the citizen have to know the truth at all time, many politicians have been lying to there citizen a lot and it time for change. If the Clintons and the republicans think Americans are not “bitter” then they should think again, you guys have lot jobs for this year alone almost, or over 100,000 jobs and you think people are not bitter. Men you guys should rethink. I think obama is just say the truth. Wake up America.
Posted by: don | April 12, 2008, 3:51 pm 3:51 pm
Wow, I’m taking most of these post with a grain-of-salt. I’m black, but i don’t think that alot of the racist posts sounds a bit contrived and may not have originated from the “persons” named on the posts. I’m willing to give all a fair chance on those posts…nice try, though, whoever are the pranksters actually making the racists posts.
Anyway, I’m independent, and right now the democratic party is losing my vote. This has been one of the ugliest campaigns I’ve witnessed, much more so than 2004, Bush vs Kerry…and much more uglier than all of the elections with Patrick Manning vs Baseo Panday (PNM party vs UNC party) in Trinidad & Tobago — combined.
McCain has been acting like a president, visiting other nations, and being above the fray. He looks more presidential right now to me, as an independent. That may not be case next month, but right now it is.
Posted by: Che Fidel - Brooklyn, NY | April 12, 2008, 3:52 pm 3:52 pm
A lot of people on this forum are demonstrating VERY CLEARLY that what Obama said is not only accurate, but also pervasive in our culture well beyond the scope of Pennsylvania workers. Many of you are very upset at the way things are in the country, and are clearly very passionate that things need to change. However, you are afraid of the reality of what we have to deal with to change things because they require you to grow ideologically and go beyond your comfort zone. It’s much easier to complain than it is to try to change things, and whenever we feel insecure or scared we can always fall back race, guns, and God to find a reason to ignore the truly hard tasks, and give long-winded speeches at the dinner table for people who agree with us. A lot of you don’t like Obama because he is black, or you think he elitist, or because of his pastor, or whatever else serves as an excuse of the moment to remove yourselves from the responsibility of having to participate in the difficult process of change. His message threatens you because it is a message which asks you to give up on your racism, let go of petty, manipulative policits, and step willingly and confidently over the failings of our barbarous ancestors so we can try to more perfectly complete our union and improve the lives of all Americans. That is truly terrifying, because it forces us to look inside ourselves and objectively confront our fluffiest and most comforting ideological blankets.
“We choose to go to the moon. We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win, and the others, too.”
- JFK
It’s time to step up, America
Posted by: B | April 12, 2008, 3:54 pm 3:54 pm
Obama’s words are mind-blowing.
First, he doesn’t understand the first thing about religion, a reflection of the Church he has attended for the last 20 years. People are not religious because they don’t have jobs. Religion, as the word indicates, is about union with God. Tell Jesus he was religious because he didn’t have a job.
Second, there are many people who have good jobs yet vote on issues such as right to bear arms, securing the border, and just trade practices. These are all important issues.
Obama revealed a level if ignorance that is shocking.
Posted by: Benjamin | April 12, 2008, 3:54 pm 3:54 pm
Obama told the truth it is hard to bear but I had been so misled in voting for years. I voted for Bush on his faith stance, I am sure most of his supporters did. I also voted for him because of the right to bear arms, etc. POLITICIANS USE THE ISSUES OF GUNS, RELIGION, OR ANYTHING THEY CAN TO GET US AWAY FROM THE REAL ISSUES. I think it was great for a change the politician EXPOSED THE GAME TO US. INSTEAD OF GETTING SMART WE GOT SENSITIVE.
Posted by: GAWANIA | April 12, 2008, 3:54 pm 3:54 pm
Politics as usual. Obama speaking about guns and illegal aliens? He joined with Hillary and most other Democratic senators and a few Republicans to vote for the amnesty bill. Most Republicans and a few Democrats listened to their constituents to kill the bill. Obama has supported every piece of anti-gun legislation to come up including proposals to end private ownership of firearms. 73% of Americans believe in the right to own guns but Obama, Clinton, Feinstein, Kennedy and a few other elitist politicians don’t care what the American people want or what the Supreme court says. …. Hillary Clinton should know about ‘elitist’ remarks. She is one of the most elitist people in America.
Posted by: jijalagi | April 12, 2008, 3:55 pm 3:55 pm
Ohhhhh please!!!! Hillary and McCain have one common enemy right now and that’s Obama! Obama is the real deal and everyone knows it! They both see he’s the clear shot winner and they will prance on any opportunity to try and bring the man down – even by trying to twist, distort or magnify something he mentioned. Honestly, i can understand McCain pulling something like this – he’s on the other side! BUT for the life of me, why is Hillary trying to destroy her very own party?! She will stop at nothing to win even if it means dragging down her own party along with her. She manipulative, selfish and patronising and this is the very reason i will not vote for her. She needs to work on her character, she is not painting a picture of someone who I can trust ? she is painting the picture of desperation!
Posted by: hibbiejibbie | April 12, 2008, 3:55 pm 3:55 pm
A lot of people on this forum are demonstrating VERY CLEARLY that what Obama said is not only accurate, but also pervasive in our culture well beyond the scope of Pennsylvania workers. Many of you are very upset at the way things are in the country, and are clearly very passionate that things need to change. However, you are afraid of the reality of what we have to deal with to change things because they require you to grow ideologically and go beyond your comfort zone. It’s much easier to complain than it is to try to change things, and whenever we feel insecure or scared we can always fall back race, guns, and God to find a reason to ignore the truly hard tasks, and give long-winded speeches at the dinner table for people who agree with us. A lot of you don’t like Obama because he is black, or you think he elitist, or because of his pastor, or whatever else serves as an excuse of the moment to remove yourselves from the responsibility of having to participate in the difficult process of change. His message threatens you because it is a message which asks you to give up on your racism, let go of petty, manipulative policits, and step willingly and confidently over the failings of our barbarous ancestors so we can try to more perfectly complete our union and improve the lives of all Americans. That is truly terrifying, because it forces us to look inside ourselves and objectively confront our fluffiest and most comforting ideological blankets.
“We choose to go to the moon. We choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win, and the others, too.”
- JFK
It’s time to step up, America
Posted by: B | April 12, 2008, 3:56 pm 3:56 pm
Hillary is amazing. Of course she thinks there is no bitterness in small town America – she and hubby made what? $109 million in the last 8 years. And the people she talks to love her. I’ve lived in small towns (including rural PA) and believe me, there is plenty of anger against Washington for the mess we’re in today. Wake up, Hillary! You’re just not used to someone telling the truth.
Posted by: Marc Benton | April 12, 2008, 3:57 pm 3:57 pm
Obama told the truth it is hard to bear but I had been so misled in voting for years. I voted for Bush on his faith stance, I am sure most of his supporters did. I also voted for him because of the right to bear arms, etc. POLITICIANS USE THE ISSUES OF GUNS, RELIGION, OR ANYTHING THEY CAN TO GET US AWAY FROM THE REAL ISSUES. I think it was great for a change the politician EXPOSED THE GAME TO US. INSTEAD OF GETTING SMART WE GOT SENSITIVE.
Posted by: GAWANIA | April 12, 2008, 3:57 pm 3:57 pm
ABC NEWS: Hey I was asked to enter a code to post the blog and was told that you are doing that to prevent “automatic robots” to enter comments. I think that is very good idea. However, you also need to develop a system that identifies which ones of the Obama bloggers are real and which ones are part of the 3,000 paid by him. Just a suggestion to keep the blogs untainted and showing the “real” feelings of Obama-paid Americans.
Posted by: Definitely Common Sense | April 12, 2008, 3:58 pm 3:58 pm
So, Obama says that “typical small town Americans are bitter and cling to guns and religion ..a tradition passed from generation to generation”???? He should be reminded about his church which has a “typical” black tradition of racial hate toward all of these small town Americans which had been passed down generation to generation in the black community!
Posted by: Carolyn | April 12, 2008, 4:00 pm 4:00 pm
Look we may be bitter about our lost jobs, and that is not offensive.. What is offensive however is the suggestion that our bitterness is why we pray, why we support our constitutional rights, and why we worry about border security.
Obama has proven he will be a dreadful general election candidate, we can only pray that the super delegates give us Hillary.
Posted by: Bryan M | April 12, 2008, 4:02 pm 4:02 pm
How does a harvard graduate lawyer always mispeak. Must be the years of representing those slumlords in Chicago. It took him 20 years and a run for the presidency to conclude that his pastor is a racist, anti-american bigot, and his grandmother is just another white person. Just imagine him in the white house and his secretary of defense, Hanoi Jane, calls and tells him that his budies in Iran has just launched some rockets at the U.S. 20 years to think about that is too long. When was the last time that Obama has told the truth; that the Kennedy’s paid for daddy’s ticket, parents met at the Selms march, he not a racist etc. etc
Posted by: Russ | April 12, 2008, 4:02 pm 4:02 pm
Obama will not win. Don’t stress out.
Posted by: Jack | April 12, 2008, 4:03 pm 4:03 pm
Don why dont yomind your own business ohhhhhhhhhhhhh i know why he is talking it is because Obama want to go behind the doors to aprove NAFTA for them. He is lieing to America and dribbling but efuse to be bamboozed. OBAMA GO AWAY FOREVER INFACT WE ARE NO MORE VOTING FOR YOUR SENATE SEAT AGAIN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: A True black American | April 12, 2008, 4:04 pm 4:04 pm
dont you get it? he was with wealthy potential donors when he uttered this things, cutting deals in san fran. he is a total sham. he is doing business as usual, hanging with the rich, taking their money, while demeaning ordinary people. wake up!
Posted by: al | April 12, 2008, 4:04 pm 4:04 pm
Does anybody remember, or has read, the book, “What’s the Matter with Kansas?: How Conservatives Won the Heart of America,” by Thomas Frank? It touches exactly on the situation Obama is referring to.
Personally, I am a little worn out how people do not accept objective criticism regarding any situation, e.g. an observation about the current political climate in the United States. It appears most individual have a knee-jerk reaction to any criticism someone might provide. People refuse to ask the probing question, “Why?”.
In my opinion, American citizens must begin to ask the difficult questions if it is to mature as a nation, i.e. recover from the Bush Administrations failures and learn how to address its economic, healthcare, environmental and various other crises. It is time for Americans to unite and face the difficult road ahead of healing. It is not a time for people to agrue about who is right or wrong about how someone expresses him or herself. This is not an English exam.
Posted by: Ron MacKenzie | April 12, 2008, 4:05 pm 4:05 pm
Here we go again, msm has decided that if Democrats lose the general election, it is not because Democrats have voted for the biggest snob on earth who peddles his messages depending on his audience, beginning by the way with his speech against the war in Iraq, a snob who underestimates our intelligence and believes that when he goes out and throws the dirt back at Senator Clinton, this will solve all his problems, and when msm rushes to his defense all is well again, no, no no, it is Senator Clinton’s fault that he has misspoken (yes, really)!!!! Well, voters have something Obama seems unaware that they possess, brains, we listen and understand, and if people are still unaware of who he really is God help us all if he is ever elected as the coming U.S. President.
Posted by: HilSup | April 12, 2008, 4:05 pm 4:05 pm
I am from a mid-sized town in the midwest, that has seen all industry dry up or move abroad. It’s not that everyone is bitter, but the youngest and most ambitious move on with very little left. A huge segment of the population that is left is only politically involved insofar as religion, abortion, patriotism (better fight ‘em over there so we don’t have to fight em here), and sloganeering are concerned. It’s unfortunate that the Limbaughs and Hannities and the rest of the cabal (lots in this comment thread) are going to again make hay of this, but it is again a challenge to who we are (politically) and who we want to be. This is a conversation that needs to be elevated, but the prevailing winds will decide that.
Posted by: Ryan | April 12, 2008, 4:05 pm 4:05 pm
B. Your postings are very “utopic” if you are trying to prove Obama’s real intentions. Do not try to change the subject, we are not talking about the many things that Americans are angry about, we are talking about Obama pandering to donors blaming ignorance of voters in smalltown to justify to those donors why he is not getting the votes there.
Posted by: Definitely Common Sense | April 12, 2008, 4:09 pm 4:09 pm
B. Working class people are not falling back on religion, and guns! Thats what Obama thinks but it is not true! It is a sterotype of working class people, just like saying that all black people are good dancers! Working class people hunt and fish and go to church not out of bitterness but in spite of it! Their love of God,country,and guns is rooted in culture not a paycheck. It seems that we are quick to dimiss and condemn that which we don’t know! I invite you and others to come to rural america and we will share our culture with you and then maybe you will see what me mean!
Posted by: russell | April 12, 2008, 4:09 pm 4:09 pm
Marie, thanks for making my point. You indicate you had Catholic stuff shoved down your throat for many years. You then, however, state you are NO LONGER Catholic. If O’bama is NO LONGER a member of Trinity come election time I might vote for him.
Posted by: ShelbyBob35051 | April 12, 2008, 4:09 pm 4:09 pm
As a white university professor, I, along with my children and grandchildren, am honored and privileged to be part of this great history in the making and vote for Sen. Obama. Now, will America rise to the occasion and embrace this great change and truly unite, showing the world that ONLY in America this can happen, and that it really is the land of the free? Or, will those whose better judgement is clouded by petty prejudices and misconceptions continue the divisive tradition of ‘Us’ and ‘Them’, propagated by those politicians who firmly believe in their politics of divide and rule and public deception?
Posted by: Realist | April 12, 2008, 4:10 pm 4:10 pm
dew5050 (Sent Saturday, April 12, 2008 1:49 PM) on MSNBC said and I agree:
Why I am bitter:
1)I am bitter because of the state of our economy
2)I am bitter because our jobs are being shipped overseas
3)I am bitter because we are fighting a war we shouldn’t have waged.
4)I am bitter because we are spending $10b every month in iraq, money that we need seriously here.
5)I am bitter that Iraq has about $50b of its money lodged in foreign account, while we are using tax payer’s money to rebuild the country.
6)I am bitter that we are losing the effort to catch osama bin laden.
7)I am bitter that our great country has lost its respect in the international forum.
8)I am bitter that our dollars has become a laughing stock of the world. That right here in the states, some businesses no longer accept the dollar as a legal tender.
9)I am bitter because hardworking folks are being laid off their jobs and have lost all their savings.
10)I am bitter that honest and hard working folks are facing foreclosures.
11)I am bitter because the solution to the foreclosure problem from our law makers is to reward the mortgage banks and people who created the problem in the first place, while providing nothing for the people at the risk of losing their homes.
12)I am bitter because we keep borrowing from china and other countries, thereby leaving debts upon debts for the future generation.
13)I am bitter because there are so many other reasons why I should be bitter and our government is doing nothing to fix it.
14)Finaly, I am bitter because the only person amongst our presidential candidates who recognizes that I’m bitter and that I have a genuine reason to be, is being crucified for saying the truth.
Posted by: Gillis | April 12, 2008, 4:10 pm 4:10 pm
change
You are parsing words. Obama’s words are simple enough. He does not need an apologist.
Posted by: S | April 12, 2008, 4:10 pm 4:10 pm
Gillis
You’re missing the point!
Posted by: S | April 12, 2008, 4:12 pm 4:12 pm
morningside: I feel a major speech coming on!
Posted by: russell | April 12, 2008, 4:13 pm 4:13 pm
Cling to their guns? Anti Trade?
Obama loving media is conveniently ignoring some of the things he said.
First of all the media is trying to make his gun comment into having something to do with “HUNTING?” That is total BS. He was clearly saying that people are “BITTER” and they take their guns and commit crimes such as MURDER and ROBBERY. He is demeaning all these people by saying that since they are “BITTER” they have become a bunch of CRIMINALS! Hunting? Give me a break.
Second he was saying that all these “BITTER” people are anti-TRADE because they are “BITTER.” What is he implying here? He is IMPLYING that these trade deals such as NAFTA are GOOD and that the only reason people are against it is because they are “BITTER.” Again contradictory statements. Go in front of blue collar PA folks and say he is against trade deals. Then go in front of MULTI-MILLIONAIRES and BILLIONAIRES and say he is for it.
Posted by: Ordinary Johnny | April 12, 2008, 4:13 pm 4:13 pm
ShelbyBob35051,
I know what your point is. I am an Obama supporter and would prefer if he left that church. However, my point also was that even if you go to church constantly you do not have to have the same views as the priest/pastor.
Posted by: Marie | April 12, 2008, 4:14 pm 4:14 pm
Obama’s words are mind-blowing.
First, Obama revealed that he knows very little about religion. People do not “cling” to religion because they are bitter with the government. Religion, as the word indicates, is about union with God — our Creator. Religion is about beliefs, liturgy, morality, and prayer. It is about union with God and union with neighbor. I doubt Obama would tell Jesus he was religious because he was bitter or didn’t have a job. This is such a ridiculous perspective on religion, which I think is a reflection of the congregation he has attended the last 20 years.
Second, there are many people who have jobs yet vote on issues such as the right to own guns, the need to secure our country’s borders, and the need for fair trade policies. These are important issues that people don’t “cling” to out of bitterness with government. These are constitutional and national security issues.
Obama’s words are very difficult to comprehend. I can’t believe people think like this.
Posted by: Benjamin | April 12, 2008, 4:14 pm 4:14 pm
Obama “misspoke” once. Hillary outright lies about the whole Bosnia thing. I think the candidates and the media are piling on Obama over absolutely nothing. This goes beyond ridiculous…
Posted by: newsdudeATL | April 12, 2008, 4:16 pm 4:16 pm
Realist: It is Obama who has devided us up into those who are enlighted and those who are not! He says that he is a uniter and not a divider (where have I heard that before?) yet he demeans a whole segment of society who does not have to share his values! How does saying what he said bring us together!
Posted by: russell | April 12, 2008, 4:18 pm 4:18 pm
If Clinton can lie about being under sniper fire and McCain can’t differentiate between Al Qaeda and Shiites then Obama can make a mistake regarding his chose of words. But he is correct Americans all across America are upset, angry and yes bitter at Washington. If that were not true than George Bush’s approval rating would not be 27% and 82% of American would not think our country is on the wrong track. Now if that is not anger, frustration, bitterness than I don’t know what is. Also it is a known fact that republicans use social issues to persuade voters to vote republican because they can’t win on issues like: the economy, the war in Iraq, and their overall indifference to the American people. There is a negative connotation associate with the word “bitter” but the fact still remains Americans are not happy. If Obama wins or not I am proud that he was brave enough to speak hard truths to the American people. But the sad fact is Americans can’t handle the truth that is why politicians’ lie to us. If Obama loses because he spoke the truth than we can aspect politicians to continue lying to us.
Posted by: Kadee | April 12, 2008, 4:18 pm 4:18 pm
If Clinton can lie about being under sniper fire and McCain can’t differentiate between Al Qaeda and Shiites then Obama can make a mistake regarding his chose of words. But he is correct Americans all across America are upset, angry and yes bitter at Washington. If that were not true than George Bush’s approval rating would not be 27% and 82% of American would not think our country is on the wrong track. Now if that is not anger, frustration, bitterness than I don’t know what is. Also it is a known fact that republicans use social issues to persuade voters to vote republican because they can’t win on issues like: the economy, the war in Iraq, and their overall indifference to the American people. There is a negative connotation associate with the word “bitter” but the fact still remains Americans are not happy. If Obama wins or not I am proud that he was brave enough to speak hard truths to the American people. But the sad fact is Americans can’t handle the truth that is why politicians’ lie to us. If Obama loses because he spoke the truth than we can aspect politicians to continue lying to us.
Posted by: Kadee | April 12, 2008, 4:18 pm 4:18 pm
The true Bitter People are the ones that attend Obama’s church. They are the racists. Just like him. Time and Time again he has insulted whites and then later sugar coated it. Obama says things to please whomever he is talking to. I HAVE NEVER SEEN SUCH A FLIP FLOPPER.
Posted by: A typical white person | April 12, 2008, 4:20 pm 4:20 pm
To Eric Banhart @ 3:55:48.
I respect your opinion, and I hope you can respect mine. I am not tied to any one agenda, poitical party, nor candidate. I am well versed in politics, though.
I will also admit something that many of you may not share…I do not think that G W. Bush is a failed president. He has been one of the most activist presidents since JFK. Note the word, “activist”. JFK in two years of office invaded Cuba, Vietnam, and almost started a nuclear war with the Soviet Union in international waters off the coast of Florida. I greatly admire JFK though. Bush has been dealt a bad hand from day one in office, and made decisions that most people agreed with at the time, until it became unpopular in the polls.
Eric, I want a president in office who is willing to sacrifice what is most important to all presidents of the United States of America…their legacy. I would seriously consider any one foe that office, if they are willing to make a decision, for the good of the country, even if that decision would tarnish their legacy. Agree with me or not, President Bush has done that. That’s what my tax dollars pay for to put it bluntly. I did not elect the president of Iran or North Korea. I’m voting to elect the person who will serve my own self interest, and the self interest of the nation.
Anyway, I am independent, and right now I am leaning towards McCain…although a McCain/Rice would seal it for me. That does not mean that my mind cannot be changed again though…I’m quite open.
Posted by: chefidel-Brooklyn, NY | April 12, 2008, 4:20 pm 4:20 pm
The pied piper just dropped his flute.
Posted by: reason | April 12, 2008, 4:21 pm 4:21 pm
SSSSorry I missed the point eh? Now I am really bitter at you for saying that.
That is the point. Did you get it?
Posted by: Gillis | April 12, 2008, 4:21 pm 4:21 pm
A lot of people seem to miss the point that Obama was asked why some polls showed some people were not supporting is candidacy and he said it was because they “cling to antipathy for those who are not like them” and because they are afraid of change. He is saying people don’t like him because he is not like them. well he isn’t like most people. Most people did not go to private elitist schools all their lives (not just Harvard but all his life) and did not have the opportunities he and Michelle were given because they were “uniquely qualified” because they were “of color.” Anyone who has not read the Chicago Tribune series on the Obamas should read it. The Obamas have exploited their race, their religion, and their “differences” to get where they are and expect to be handed the White House because Americans need to prove we want the only change the Obamas think we need, reverse racism. There is nothing that uniquely qualifies the Obamas for the White House. There are plenty of people who want to be handed reparations for something that happened hundreds of years ago instead of having to earn a living. The Obamas should be satisfied with their $300,000 paychecks, the millions they have made on their fictional life stories of being unfairly treated because of their skin, the 1.6 million dollar home in Chicago they negotiated with help from Rezko, and the support of a church they specifically chose to join because of it’s politics. Obama’s religion is idolatry. He wants to be idolized without having to actually do anything for anyone but himself. The Clintons may be egomaniacs but at least they have tried to bring real changes and push a political agenda which they think will benefit Americans. Obama won’t even vote anything other than “present.” If he thinks his mere presence should be enough for everyone to follow him, he is wrong. Real change is more than just proving we aren’t racist. It is making everyone accountable for their positions. The Obamas don’t really have any positions they haven’t been given by someone looking to prove something. How can anyone think the Obamas care about anyone but themselves? Elitism isn’t about whether Obama or Clinton has more money but about how they arrived where they are. Obama chose to ignore all the social consciousness of his mother for the elitism of his stepfather and the approval of a father he never knew. There are lots of intelligent, hard-working, articulate, multiracial people who would be pointing to our common interests rather than promoting divisiveness and racism for their own rise to power on the backs of truly great people like Martin Luther King, John F. Kennedy, and Abraham Lincoln.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/obama
Posted by: me | April 12, 2008, 4:21 pm 4:21 pm
For a little more insight into Senator Obama, read a story posted on N-B-C’s website yesterday regarding his billionaire fundraisers.
A timely, must read for PA voters.
Posted by: Linda | April 12, 2008, 4:21 pm 4:21 pm
You cannot attack middle and small america and say when economic times are rough they head to their homes and go towards their guns, religion, and hate mongering against immigrants.
It was rude, a slap in the face to people who use guns as a hobby, or during hunting season, religion as their guiding light and something that brings the family together, and to say these people hate immigrants is just wrong. There is a difference between illegal immigration and immigration.
He was way out of line and then to call them bitter, he lost the general election to mccain, so why the hell should he represent our party come nov?
Posted by: eddie | April 12, 2008, 4:21 pm 4:21 pm
I’m tired of all of it. I’m tired of these so called professional politicians who can’t keep from “mis-speaking.” Is it too much to ask that they just say what they mean and DON’T try to backtrack. He said exactly what he meant to say. Just as Clinton said exactly what she wanted to say about her Bosnia trip. When will Americans quit BEING LED AROUND by their noses? These people LIVE to misspeak and lie. It is their JOB for goodness sake. I have no more respect for him than I do for Clinton and her lack of memory. They say what they think…then realize it wasn’t politically correct. Give me a break. Why can’t we see beyond their ploys and just say enough is enough????
Posted by: Marsha | April 12, 2008, 4:22 pm 4:22 pm
newsdudeatl: If he misspoke then why did he not say that last night? No last night he defended what he said and he never backed down. Today he is starting down that long and difficult road for any politician and that is admitting that they were wrong! We are not there yet but beleive me he will apologize!
Posted by: russell | April 12, 2008, 4:22 pm 4:22 pm
Obama knows what he’s talking about. Hillary Clinton and John McCain belong to the “don’t worry, go shopping” school of politics, and the Karl Rove line on “elitists” isn’t going to work this year…
Posted by: sumac61 | April 12, 2008, 4:22 pm 4:22 pm
newsdudeATL
And Clinton’s mis-speaks exonerate your candidate’s mis-speaks how?
Posted by: S | April 12, 2008, 4:24 pm 4:24 pm
Assigning Intend and Meaning to Sound Bites — Again
Obama was attempting to explain the reasons some people in Pennsylvania would have difficulty voting for him. They have been burnt by the government for years, why should they believe a black man with a different name. Politicians had been making unfulfilled promised for years, why should they believe Obama was any different.
What Obama said about not knowing who to believe is an issue for many Americans, not just people in Pennsylvania. While working in Europe, I used similar wording to answer questions about why people would have elected President Bush.
It is also a fact that people turn to religion more during difficult times. Complete speech:
OBAMA: So, it depends on where you are, but I think it’s fair to say that the places where we are going to have to do the most work are the places where people feel most cynical about government. The people are mis-appre…I think they’re misunderstanding why the demographics in our, in this contest have broken out as they are. Because everybody just ascribes it to ‘white working-class don’t wanna work — don’t wanna vote for the black guy.’ That’s…there were intimations of that in an article in the Sunday New York Times today – kind of implies that it’s sort of a race thing.
Here’s how it is: in a lot of these communities in big industrial states like Ohio and Pennsylvania, people have been beaten down so long, and they feel so betrayed by government, and when they hear a pitch that is premised on not being cynical about government, then a part of them just doesn’t buy it. And when it’s delivered by — it’s true that when it’s delivered by a 46-year-old black man named Barack Obama (laugher), then that adds another layer of skepticism (laughter).
But — so the questions you’re most likely to get about me, ‘Well, what is this guy going to do for me? What’s the concrete thing?’ What they wanna hear is — so, we’ll give you talking points about what we’re proposing — close tax loopholes, roll back, you know, the tax cuts for the top 1 percent. Obama’s gonna give tax breaks to middle-class folks and we’re gonna provide health care for every American. So we’ll go down a series of talking points.
But the truth is, is that, our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there’s not evidence of that in their daily lives. You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. So it’s not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.
Um, now these are in some communities, you know. I think what you’ll find is, is that people of every background — there are gonna be a mix of people, you can go in the toughest neighborhoods, you know working-class lunch-pail folks, you’ll find Obama enthusiasts. And you can go into places where you think I’d be very strong and people will just be skeptical. The important thing is that you show up and you’re doing what you’re doing.
Posted by: Linda | April 12, 2008, 4:25 pm 4:25 pm
He now “deeply regrets” if he offended anybody. More like deeply regrets he just sank his own ship. But come Monday, Chris Matthews, Keith Olbermann and Obama’s other male cheerleaders will try to spin this one. Even last night, Matthews was saying “what he was trying to say…” I don’t see them editing or justifying remarks by other candidates or their supporters.
Senator Obama, you gave a wink-wink story when behind closed doors. Did it make you feel better to talk about us desperate clingers in small town America to your wealthy contributors? You didn’t just insult Pennsylvanians, partner, you insulted middle America.
Posted by: david | April 12, 2008, 4:25 pm 4:25 pm
Hey Marie, come to my church and support us and do not reject and/or denounce either our church or our pastor. We have a 20 year member who is running for governor of your State. Will you vote for him, please? By the way, here is our mission statement that your gubernatorial candidate does not either denounce and/or reject: “We are a congregation which is Unashamedly White and Unapologetically Christian… Our roots in the White Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an European people, and remain true to Europe, our mother continent…. We constantly affirm our trust in God through cultural expression of a White worship service and ministries which address the White Community.
Posted by: ShelbyBob35051 | April 12, 2008, 4:26 pm 4:26 pm
It is ONLY after someone brings it to the surface that he finally realizes he misspoke? Just like he finally realized that his so-called minister is a vile racist? Give me a break. This man is intelligent….capable of leading our country? I beg to differ. He is in it for one reason. Power. Just like the Clintons. Politicians are NOT about what is fair and honest. How often must we have it rubbed in our faces before we believe it. Honest? Caring? He cares about winning. He said what he MEANT to say. That should say it for anyone.
Posted by: Marsha | April 12, 2008, 4:26 pm 4:26 pm
Everybody in here who is NOT bitter about billions of our American tax paying dollars going to pay for the Iraq reconstruction and the increase gas prices not to mention our jobs being outsource over seas, Rise your hand in here or type X…… So we are bitter after all. Point made
Posted by: Georgiaboy | April 12, 2008, 4:27 pm 4:27 pm
STOP OBAMA AND SAVE AMERICA.cant you see that he is dividing this country beween racial and sex lines..He needs to be stopped we cant just elect him.
Posted by: A True black American | April 12, 2008, 4:27 pm 4:27 pm
To Eric Banhart @ 3:55:48.
I respect your opinion, and I hope you can respect mine. I am not tied to any one agenda, poitical party, nor candidate. I am well versed in politics, though.
I will also admit something that many of you may not share…I do not think that G W. Bush is a failed president. He has been one of the most activist presidents since JFK. Note the word, “activist”. JFK in two years of office invaded Cuba, Vietnam, and almost started a nuclear war with the Soviet Union in international waters off the coast of Florida. I greatly admire JFK though. Bush has been dealt a bad hand from day one in office, and made decisions that most people agreed with at the time, until it became unpopular in the polls.
Eric, I want a president in office who is willing to sacrifice what is most important to all presidents of the United States of America…their legacy. I would seriously consider any one for that office, if they are willing to make a decision, for the good of the country, even if that decision would tarnish their legacy. Agree with me or not, President Bush has done that. That’s what my tax dollars pay for to put it bluntly.
I did not elect the president of Iran or North Korea. I’m voting to elect the person who will serve my own self interest, and the self interest of the nation.
Anyway, I am independent, and right now I am leaning towards McCain…although a McCain/Rice would seal it for me. That does not mean that my mind cannot be changed again though…I’m quite open.
Posted by: Che Fidel - Brooklyn, NY | April 12, 2008, 4:28 pm 4:28 pm
Obama’s words were clear enough — no need for apoligists to utter nonsense about what he meant.
Posted by: S | April 12, 2008, 4:28 pm 4:28 pm
Obama is right about the bitter part. There are an increasing number of people who are bitter because decisions by the current administration is resulting in a loss of brave lives by the dozens every week and millions of dollars every day. As a non violent person, I don’t believe in guns and my religion does not comfort those who cannot help themselves and so I am only bitter and I hope that will change with a person in the white house who can change the situation in Iraq and ward off a recession and I mean a real change not from one passionate supporter of the Iraq war to another who does not value precious American lives. Bring the troops home safe and let the UN and a mid east force keep the peace.
Posted by: gjkotw01 | April 12, 2008, 4:28 pm 4:28 pm
obama knew exactly what he was saying; his words were well chosen; he did not know that he was being audio recorded. he got caught.
from a small town in the oil patch of louisiana, i know the ups and downs of economics.
but we don’t own a gun; we are not addicted to religion; we welcome immigrants to this country…we are not a stereotype.
mr. obama is a fraud. his words reveal his true self. he is self-involved, an elitist and thinks he knows it all.
an adjunct professor of rhetoric, a clinical professor of counseling, an author…i still live in a small town and don’t need an affirmative action graduate to lecture me about small towns.
obama is toast; mccain will win and obama and his groupies will have noone to blame but themselves for four more years of bush.
way to go ivy league…
and the rest of us will continue enjoying life, our families, and our way of life.
Posted by: ron bodin | April 12, 2008, 4:29 pm 4:29 pm
Hillary and McClain didn’t do their homework on rural America and it is now showing in the political classroom, they were too busy sleeping in the back of the room with full stomachs (millionnaires).
Posted by: Slyvia | April 12, 2008, 4:30 pm 4:30 pm
Mr. Rendell has already made a few notable statements regarding this primary and voters in it; it will be interesting to see if he choose to climb this molehill.
Some, maybe a large portion of voters in small towns are bitter because of what the US economy has done to them. Newsflash? Some maybe most voters in small towns turn to their faith More when they are suffering and vote more along religious lines in that frame of mind. Shocking? I don’t think so. These voters in particular are Told they should blame illegal immigrants by the politicians who are helping send their jobs overseas and vote based on illegal immigrants rather then the fact that their bosses are allowed to cannibalize our country. Fabulous statement, outrageous theory? Come on.
If my candidate had spent the last month explaining why every time her lips moved a lie came out Id want to talk about something else too but calling Mr. Obama an elitist? The community organizer? Versus the walmart executive? Are you kidding? Well if you reeeally want to have that debate I guess we can have it.
Posted by: Progressive Observer | April 12, 2008, 4:31 pm 4:31 pm
I think obama has already ruined his chance of becoming president although i don’t think hillary could be president; maybe condi rice could.
Posted by: Ray | April 12, 2008, 4:31 pm 4:31 pm
There should be no place for racist comments on this blog-ever. I don’t support Senator Obama, but am embarrassed and disgusted by some posts here. Clean it up, please. This kind of hate is exactly what all three candidates are opposed to.
Posted by: David | April 12, 2008, 4:33 pm 4:33 pm
Russell – That’s my point. I am writing this from a meduim-sized house in a small town in Penn. If you told my family we like to hunt only because we are bitter, I’d tell you that you are an idiot. We would do those things anyway, “in spite of” anything going on around us. We love to do it. However, the issue is that people in my town are easily manipulated to FOCUS and VOTE on gun control by politicians as an isolated issue in elections because we don’t have much else to go on here. It steers people away from real, honest to goodness talk of change. People listen to us when we talk about guns, but not when it comes to unemployment. Unemployment and poverty are a problem here, but it’s hard to convince someone in my town that it can be changed because the government institutes legislation which allows our jobs to be outsourced.
B. Working class people are not falling back on religion, and guns! Thats what Obama thinks but it is not true! It is a sterotype of working class people, just like saying that all black people are good dancers! Working class people hunt and fish and go to church not out of bitterness but in spite of it! Their love of God,country,and guns is rooted in culture not a paycheck. It seems that we are quick to dimiss and condemn that which we don’t know! I invite you and others to come to rural america and we will share our culture with you and then maybe you will see what me mean!
Posted by: B | April 12, 2008, 4:33 pm 4:33 pm
To Che Fidel:
Thank you for one of the most honest postings on here. I am in complete agreement that we need a president who WILL put his needs last and this country first. I am tired of the hate mongering about this president. The hatred and vile rhetoric is beyond understanding. Do I agree with all that has happened? I do not. But I will NOT vote for 2 people who have nothing better to do than to drag one another down and this country with it. Obama is not down to earth. He has been groomed to be “the first black president.” His agenda? Not one I have figured out. Clinton’s agenda? Has always been about them and always will be. Our intelligence should be beyond a party….and be about who can actually do something for this country..instead of their party. Whom will I vote for? I am still undecided. But the fractious democratic party is surely pushing me into another direction.
Posted by: Marsha | April 12, 2008, 4:34 pm 4:34 pm
I wonder… has anyone writing these comments ever made a mistake and said a true thing sloppily? I’m tired of the dynamic where people in office are expected to be superhuman.
I’m white and female– a mom. My family is a mix of working class and fairly elitist upper middle class attitudes. I work full time for sustainability causes and make less that $20,000/year. How am I categorized?
I’m voting for Obama because he has the guts to speak to the real humanity in America, and folks, we are a messy bunch. I’m not bitter, but it’s because I work hard at not being bitter. But I understand the temptation of bitterness, and I also understand that everyone I know has their version of “comfort food” that we, yes, cling to when things are tough. For some it is religion, for some it is being self-righteous. For some it is family, friends, guns, whatever. I don’t think the content is that important. What is important is that he speaks about the process of how humans work.
In that way, Obama is FINALLY a politician with whom I feel seen. And you know what, he also challenges me. I’ve spent more time thinking about my own last vestiges of racism, my own yucky moments of elitist bullshit… all that stuff because this man is gutsy enough to challenge me and still ask for my vote.
And I’m giving it to him.
Posted by: Ma'ikwe Ludwig | April 12, 2008, 4:35 pm 4:35 pm
JustAThought
What in the world are you talking about?
Posted by: S | April 12, 2008, 4:35 pm 4:35 pm
fron chicago business, may 2007:
The wife of Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama resigned Tuesday from the board of a food supplier for retail giant Wal-Mart Stores Inc., a target of criticism by the Illinois senator.
Michelle Obama cited the increased demands of his campaign for leaving the board of Westchester, Ill.-based TreeHouse Foods Inc. Her position had raised questions because Obama has praised a union-led effort to change working conditions at Wal-Mart.
TreeHouse Foods said in a Securities and Exchange Commission filing that her resignation from the position she has held since 2005 was not due to any disagreement with the company. Last year she earned $51,200 in fees from the company, according to the couple’s 2006 tax returns.
“As my campaign commitments continue to ramp up, it is becoming more difficult for me to provide the type of focus I would like on my professional responsibilities,” Michelle Obama said in a written statement.
Posted by: al | April 12, 2008, 4:36 pm 4:36 pm
It seems to me that Obama is constantly having to appologize for his remarks, and rightfully so. He does not know how to go about speaking without bringing up some race related issue concerning white, middle-class working Americans, which is what the majority of this country consists of. He is racist in that he constantly complains of being “offended” in his autobiography by white America. I pray to God that he doesnt get elected. If so, our country will fall victim to a socialist government that seeks to take from the rich and gives to the poor (Mainly African Americans). Christianity and White America will come under attack. Everyone will eventually be forced to adopt the black culture
Posted by: Shashonta | April 12, 2008, 4:36 pm 4:36 pm
To the hard working folks in Pennsylvania, I would be OUTRAGED at this unfair and crude representation of who you are. You are Americans and you deserve better than name calling and labeling. I have never turned to a gun in my life out of “bitterness.” But after Obama’s comments, a dart might be fair game.
Posted by: Marsha | April 12, 2008, 4:37 pm 4:37 pm
chicana45
Truth be damned. We want somebody with answers and that certainly isn’t the empty suit who tells his elitists friends in California one thing and tells other constituents whatever he things will turn them on.
Come on — think about answers to problems instead of believing somebody who is just stirring up discontent.
Posted by: S | April 12, 2008, 4:39 pm 4:39 pm
For those of you who didn’t see earlier posting, Michelle Obama served on corporate board of Treehouse Foods, Inc., a major supplier to Walmart.
She received about $50K a year for doing so.
She resigned as obama decided to run.
You guys have been SO had!!!!!
Posted by: al | April 12, 2008, 4:41 pm 4:41 pm
Hey Claire, I read Obama’s comments and I heard him trying to wiggle out this morning on MSNBC saying using the word “typical”! Apparently you are an Obama supporter who can overlook “God damn America, first time I ever was proud of America and America is a mean country”! There are a lot of us out here who resent using that kind of garbage. Pa is not the only state where people are worried about what is happening in this country, however, if you think a “one year senator” is capable of improving these situations then you cannot think past your nose! All Obama ever says is “we need changes” ..nothing concrete! Well, he will not become President of this country and he will probably lose his senate seat….which will serve him right because he stole the seat anyway!
Posted by: Carolyn | April 12, 2008, 4:41 pm 4:41 pm
I love when a truthful statement gets blown right out of proportion for political gain and votes, who is better at that than Hillary who gets the same treatment for her lies. But as one blogs puts it: “Bitter…yes WE ARE! Obama claims folks in rural areas are tired of being lied to and cheated by our government and he’s dead on. Our tax dollars build mass transit in cities we don’t use. Our tax money builds roads in Iraq while our own roads are virtually impassible. Gas prices have been allowed to double at the same time we have to drive further to find work. Our family farms have been swallowed up by huge producers who only pollute our air and water. Our land is bought up by city folk for their ‘summer homes’ and strip malls that at best create more minimum wage jobs. To try and save what we have we’ve had to take on preditory debt. Do we cling to our guns-you bet we do. Not only for safety and protection, we have to eat! We cling to our religion, praying every day to be allowed to keep our meager belongings. We work hard every day, sun up to sunset and still can’t pay our bills.We fix our own old trucks, patch our own roofs and blue jeans and if anything is left after taxes and bills, we donate to the food pantries. If a neighbor is sick or hurt we plow their fields and pick their crops.The only thing we can count on from our government is they’ll come down here with their hand out and take way more than their share. The Bushes and Clintons have left us cold, hungry, broken and yes, BITTER! Our kids and relatives are dying in Iraq in unproportionate numbers.Many ‘tricked’ into service by the promise of serving two weekends a month and two weeks a year. The military offered the only chance to make a buck…We are bitter, but not STUPID. We are never heard from or spoken for by our elected officials.We aren’t counted in the polls. Finally Barack brings our plight to the mainstream’s attention and he gets chastised for it.McCain’s ENTIRE life has been spent on the taxpayers dime. Every check he’s ever cashed came from our taxes, yet he calls Obama an elitest. The Clintons screw us at every turn, breaking all ten commandments and most of our laws.GO OBAMA 08!
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2oldfarmers 7:21 AM”
Posted by: Uretha | April 12, 2008, 4:42 pm 4:42 pm
I’m surprised Obama supporters don’t seem to be willing to admit that what he said was wrong and Hillary’s statement (regarding constitutional right, personal faith, and the American Dream) was right on the mark. To say something like, “Obama was 1000% right”, reveals a blindness to truth in order to support Obama under any conditions. Is America really so out of touch with the connection between support for having guns and the slippery slope of devaluing the Constitution to believe Obama spoke the truth? That’s really sad.
Posted by: kattt | April 12, 2008, 4:43 pm 4:43 pm
WHO CARES!!!
Would you rather be lied to?
Posted by: Ed | April 12, 2008, 4:44 pm 4:44 pm
David: I would not take all the posts here at face value.Someone has been posting racial slurs here using the names of other bloggers. Mine has been used and have noted other complaints during the day. I have notified ABC and urge others who have had the same experience to do the same.
Posted by: sitting1 | April 12, 2008, 4:44 pm 4:44 pm
To Ma’ikwe Ludwig:
I totally respect your opinion while passionately disagreeing with it. A politician, any politican, who chooses to run for office leaves himself/herslef wide open to more criticism than the normal person could probably stomach. While I applaud your own soul searching for your “elitis BS and racist feelings” I wonder if the same could be said deep down for Obama? The race issue IS his issue. He runs on being the first black president….and that alone is HIS issue. I am not impressed with his comments. I am worried. I am worried because just what does HE really think? It is moments like his recent “misspeaking” that give me pause. That is what he truly believes. I am not convinced of his “messiah” like popularity. I need much more honesty and less politically correct backtracking to prove that he is something willing to actually change…and not just this country…but himself. He still has his own racist demons to deal with I fear.
Posted by: Marsha | April 12, 2008, 4:44 pm 4:44 pm
al
Michelle has profited mightily in these United States that she’s so un-proud of!
Mostly, as an indirect result of her husbands questionable associations.
Posted by: S | April 12, 2008, 4:45 pm 4:45 pm
Regret, maybe. But I think it is just regret that he got caught expressing his true feelings. The public Obama and the private Obama once again prove to be different people.
Posted by: mary | April 12, 2008, 4:45 pm 4:45 pm
Let’s have a national debate on small town bitter people. I guess first we need a speech.
God bless Ameica
Posted by: Think | April 12, 2008, 4:46 pm 4:46 pm
Matthews: Bill Clinton’s campaign speech “so un-American”
Summary: On Morning Joe, host Joe Scarborough said to Chris Matthews: “Bill Clinton says, though, Chris, that we’re naïve for believing that politicians can work together, that we’re naïve for believing that Barack Obama.” Scarborough added: “But it seems to me it’s cynicism versus hope.” Matthews said: “Any politician who runs in America on the campaign message of ‘don’t get your hopes up’ deserves to be doomed. What an amazing — that is so un-American, because Americans believe that the way things are is not the way they have to be.”
Posted by: merle7 | April 12, 2008, 4:47 pm 4:47 pm
Let them eat cake…Obama ’08
Posted by: Mack | April 12, 2008, 4:49 pm 4:49 pm
First I’d like to say Obama is right. Here is why, read the book “The world is flat” by Thomas Friedman. From reading about half the book (still reading it), it seems like Bush and Clinton are doing doublespeak.
and why? It’s simple:
1.They support global trade as a way to promote democracy and stability. Breaking down walls to promote trade between companies makes companies circumvent unions by choosing outside labor, but as the book indicates gives those lower class workers cheaper products, it evens itself out.
2.They blame the very same forces that they promote for causing the problems, and of course the solution which they point at “sustainable development and alternative sources of energy” is the big answer, how can you built trade, immigration walls or other walls and promote peace, you can’t.
The solution people of Pennsylvania is simple (unions included), is that people need to be better educated to compete. As many success books indicate (Tony Robbins CANI for example) you have to keep learning to keep ahead and always improve yourself. Television is the devil, it lowers overall productivity and dumbs us down, people need to learn basic money management.
And overall we have to understand we live in a multi-dimensional world where there is no 1 solution/bill gets our troops out or gives everyone a job.
Barack Obama is the answer, the Clintons are taking him and his intelligent pastor way out of context because they know attack ads work (read a book on election politics which I have), Hilary is just Bill Clinton with a little more attitude. I’m tired of old politics, lets have someone new, and for all those women who want a female president how about a female VP who becomes president in like 8 years who is a little more inspiring than Hilary.
Posted by: Nick | April 12, 2008, 4:51 pm 4:51 pm
sally
Can you prove that? Maybe different people have the same name.
Posted by: S | April 12, 2008, 4:51 pm 4:51 pm
Obama is a modern day Malcolm X. If we must have an African American in office, we need someone more like MLK.
Posted by: Obama needs change | April 12, 2008, 4:52 pm 4:52 pm
frankly, Obama is not qualified to
be Senator!
Posted by: rosie | April 12, 2008, 4:54 pm 4:54 pm
The truth hurts – but is sometimes needed.
That angry, bitter people sometimes vent their frustrations indirectly is well documented. That excessive concern about supposed 2nd ammendment changes, anti abortionists who actually kill adults, fear of outsiders, domestic disputes are all manifestations of the lack of positive chances in rural America is definitely true.
I live in a mid-sized city – surrounded by charming little one-factory towns and villages that have been hit hard in the last years – in 15 years I had to move ahead of closures and outsourcing to 4 jobs and in the end did get downsized just prior to retirement. It would have been worse living in one of those small towns – at least from my residence I have a circular commuting area to choose from – out in the boonies, the nearest city can be too far away to reach.
Obama is so very correct in his analysis that is will most definitely flush out a lot of negative sentiment – but when the first flash cools down, perhaps many of you will see that the persons “pandering” to your supposed wishes are the wrong people to lead – McCain and Clinton are the ones who are out of touch out of fear of just the reaction taking place right now. And they will most likely never make any significant moves to improve the lives of the small town folks who are now so upset.
Posted by: Sara | April 12, 2008, 4:56 pm 4:56 pm
Obama is a racist arrogant liar
with a below average IQ!
Posted by: ro | April 12, 2008, 4:56 pm 4:56 pm
These silly “gotcha” moments will have any impact on he final vote. Most who are bothered by this, were already bothered by Obama and would not have voted for him anyway. Few would turn to Hillary Obama based on these “ill-advised” comments. Once people get on the Obama train few get off.
Posted by: Bob, DC | April 12, 2008, 4:56 pm 4:56 pm
Yep! That’s what we need, a big city lawyer who will pander to welfare leeches, homosexuals, and African-American felons. Oh well, we jist be po cuntre foks who ar frust …ferst…fust… uh… frustrated! Thank goodness a really smart big city African-American passed by and told me how to spell it.
Posted by: Mike | April 12, 2008, 4:58 pm 4:58 pm
mr. obama is a fraud. his words reveal his true self. he is self-involved, an elitist and thinks he knows it all.
Posted by: nancy | April 12, 2008, 4:59 pm 4:59 pm
These silly “gotcha” moments will NOT have any impact on he final vote. Most who are bothered by this, were already bothered by Obama and would not have voted for him anyway. Few would turn to Hillary Obama based on these “ill-advised” comments. Once people get on the Obama train few get off.
Posted by: Bob, DC | April 12, 2008, 5:01 pm 5:01 pm
Mike- Wow! You sound really bitter. There might be classes you can take for that.
Posted by: jmengate | April 12, 2008, 5:01 pm 5:01 pm
He should stop digging every time he talks about this makes it a little worse he got caught looking down his nose at small town america.
Posted by: Bishop | April 12, 2008, 5:01 pm 5:01 pm
Look at the Obama people — blaming Clinton and McCain for what Obama said! If you believe Obama, you’re as elitist as he is. You, too, believe the good people of Pennsylvania are ignorant, gun-toting Christians.
Posted by: Helen | April 12, 2008, 5:02 pm 5:02 pm
I believe Obama is dangerously out of touch
with reality…
Posted by: bernard | April 12, 2008, 5:02 pm 5:02 pm
It seems that the same people that believe that Wright’s sermons were accurate are the same people that are praising Obama’s latest comments. Unfortunately, those people are out of touch with most Americans.
Posted by: Mack | April 12, 2008, 5:02 pm 5:02 pm
In Obama’s own words during this same speech:
“Because everybody just ascribes it to ‘white working-class don’t wanna work — don’t wanna vote for the black guy.”
Don’t want to work? They are called the working class because they work their buts off to make ends meet.
Posted by: Oh my | April 12, 2008, 5:03 pm 5:03 pm
ShelbyBob35051
Do you have a point?
Posted by: Marie | April 12, 2008, 5:03 pm 5:03 pm
Michelle Obama is bitter because she’s been clinging to her religion.
Posted by: ki718 | April 12, 2008, 5:08 pm 5:08 pm
To: Che Fidel @ 4:28pm
Well said. Well said.
Posted by: Vincent | April 12, 2008, 5:09 pm 5:09 pm
The people of pennsylvania knew what he meant by what he said, it wasnt meant to be offensive, but might have come off that way to not only sensitive people , but also the mccain and hillary who are scared to death of obama are harping on this….obama is still the best shot to crush mccain in the fall, democrats dont screw this up, hillary is a walk over, and you know that proverbial glass ceiling? the repubs will crush her, obama has a resilience and charm,and honesty that Americans are tuned in to, he will defeat mccain by a landslide, it doesnt matter what clinton or mccain think , when your enemies are scared of you they pounce on every thing they can!!! obama 08!
Posted by: jacobs | April 12, 2008, 5:10 pm 5:10 pm
This guy’s a joke… He surrounds himself with racists, he puts down the American middle class. What does he have to do before his supporters see he is not the person they thought he was. Please don’t put this guy in the White House!
Posted by: Annie | April 12, 2008, 5:27 pm 5:27 pm
If you believe Obama, you’re as elitist as he is. You, too, believe the good people of Pennsylvania are ignorant, gun-toting Christians.
Posted by: samuel | April 12, 2008, 5:29 pm 5:29 pm
He speaks the truth and yet he is being crucified for it. Of course when things are bad, people cling and yes cling to things they can readily identify with. In my country, we clung to sports like football, religion and other things that are aligned with our culture. Guns are not allowed in my country but that does not mean that I never believed in God before that. Am sorry when things are really bad thats when we remember God the most,. Deny it if you can? And yet no matter our color, race or religion, our God has always been forgiving and merciful. Wake up Americans to the truth. It may be bitter but swallow it, it shall surely set you free.
Posted by: vinny | April 12, 2008, 5:29 pm 5:29 pm
melikeyhill
Another willing victim of the empty suit!
Posted by: Aston | April 12, 2008, 5:30 pm 5:30 pm
Whoa! We dems are going to lose this election if we nominate this guy! No doubt. What an arrogant, condescending jerk.
The only way to unite the country is a McCain/Clinton or Clinton/McCain ticket. Come on, team up!
Posted by: Sue | April 12, 2008, 5:31 pm 5:31 pm
there are alot of people out WEST who enjoy their guns, hunting, fishing, target shooting, etc.
Posted by: ramona | April 12, 2008, 5:31 pm 5:31 pm
All 3 of the candidates are Senators. You can’t get more “elite” than that.
Let the voters decide.
Posted by: jock59801 | April 12, 2008, 5:32 pm 5:32 pm
We don’t need to be observed and analyzed from way up high, we need solutions not inaccurate observations.
Posted by: Mack | April 12, 2008, 5:33 pm 5:33 pm
Whether people want to believe it or not….some folks are bitter and feel like the government is not looking out for their best interests. I feel like Obama spoke the truth…unfortunately, a lot of people on hear can’t handle the truth. Seriously, I’m not trying to put down Clinton supporters but it’s obvious they don’t know the truth when they hear it. She lied about Bosnia and some how it’s spun into “mis speaking”. Obama brings up a good point about some being bitter and it’s spun into being an elitist? What’s wrong with this picture? I am tired of all this. Why can we not have an honest dicussion about the people in this country who really are suffering HARD TIMES!!! How are you being an elistist if you bring that subject up to the American people? Ugghhh….I don’t understand this. Why are Clinton and McCain trying to spin this to their favor. Do you really think they care about the little people? If so, why not agree with Obama….if they are soooo in touch. How can they NOT see that people are bitter and frustrated and actually turn to their religion to get by???? Give me a break.
Posted by: GW | April 12, 2008, 5:40 pm 5:40 pm
Obama tells it like it is. Many in small and large town America feel that Washington isn’t listening to their concerns and have become cynical. It’s no wonder that a small percentage of the population voted in past elections. In our small town people turned out at the Democratic caucus in large numbers to vote for Obama largely because they think he represents a hope for government in Washington. Clinton and McCain are the real elitist Washington insiders. I will wager that David will defeat these 2 Goliaths.
Posted by: Kathleen | April 12, 2008, 5:40 pm 5:40 pm
In my opinon, when Obama was talking to his rich friends in San Francisco, he was not talking down about the white folks who are having hard times in Pennsylvania. He was explaining why in the past they did not vote for the Democratic Party, because they do not trust the politicians themselves, so they vote on issues like guns, religion(abortion gay rights), immigration. Instead of casting their vote to the party which would do more good for their wellfare. But due to the lack of trust, which is justified, by job loses, rising prices, home foreclosures, healthcare costs, etc. they choose to embrace platforms not on jobs, taxes or healthcare, but religion and guns. Taking it one step further, when they see someone who doesn’t even look like them, when all their trust is gone, it is even more difficult for him to win his their trust. He was saying he feels the pain, the pain of Pennsylvania people, understands how they feel, why they are bitter and angry, and explaining what makes them tick. This is not talking down to anyone. It was if anything telling California to HELP…stop this ONE SIDED GOVERNMENT, where the rich get richer and middle class is erroding and poor is getting poorer. Obama was not insulting anyone, he feels the pain, he is in it for us.
Posted by: lee from Treasure Island Fl | April 12, 2008, 5:41 pm 5:41 pm
jacobs
Where do you get this stuff?
Posted by: S | April 12, 2008, 5:43 pm 5:43 pm
Why do Obama supporters want to blame Hillary Clinton because Obama stuck his foot in his mouth again. America wanted to know what he was about and everytime he does something like this, America gets to know him a little better. Obama supporters can make excuses, the media can try to cover for him, but it’s not going to change the fact that people don’t like what they are seeing.
Posted by: Annie | April 12, 2008, 5:43 pm 5:43 pm
Yes people in pennsylvania are angry and bitter, do you know we are borrowing money from the bank of mexico??? to run our economy and fight this war??? we are borrowing from a poorer country to run ours!!!! yes some Americans when they lose their jobs turn to God and religion for faith and support and because they are so scared of things being taken from them cling to their basic rights, ie second amendment because the govt is willing to sit back and let our jobs evaporate,our dollar has been less than get this now, “the canadian dollar”"!!! what else are they gonna take from us? yes my friends some Americans are realllly bitter and those folks will be voting for obama so we can change things!!!
Posted by: jacobs | April 12, 2008, 5:45 pm 5:45 pm
remember clintons LYING TONGUE ABOUT BOSNIA AND SHE “MISPOKE”, AND SHE IS FORGIVEN FOR LYING ON NATIONAL TV, MORE THAN ONCE.
OBAMA TELLS THE TRUTH ABOUT HOW PEOPLE ARE FEELING AND YOU IGNORANT PEOPLE ARE MAKING ANY EXCUSE TO BASH HIM.
COMPARE WHAT OBAMA SAID TO WHAT HILARY SAID. HILARY LIED, OBAMA SAID WHAT HE REALLY BELIEVES IS TRUE, AN HONEST OPINION SAID TO HELP PEOPLE UNITE BEHIND HIM TO BRING CHANGE IN WASHINTON.
WHY DONT YOU FOCUS ON HOW TO SOLVE THE PROBLEMS IN AMERICAN INSTEAD OF POLITICAL SPIN.
HILARY IS SO DESPERATE, AND SO ARE THE PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT HER!!!
SHAME ON YOU,YOU DESERVE EVERYTHING YOU GET FROM YOUR WASHINGTON POLITICIANS!!
Posted by: pete | April 12, 2008, 5:45 pm 5:45 pm
Re. Mr. McCain’s anti-intellectualism and Ms. Clinton’s act of copying it even though it meant abandoning her own principles. April 11, 2008.
1. What is condescending in saying that those who have lost their jobs and experienced massive unemployment are bitter? If you were in their shoes you would be, too, gentleman McCain.
2. There is nothing condescending in applying Sociology 101 in understanding society:
- Fear produces a need for guns.
- People pray more when they go through hardships.
- Hardship is a fertile ground for finding scapegoats and accepting prejudice.
3. And, of course, being bitter doesn’t imply absence of resilience and optimism, as Ms. H. Rocky Clinton well knows and practices.
sp
Posted by: Ann | April 12, 2008, 5:48 pm 5:48 pm
lee from Treasure Island Fl – Of course you are right, but many American’s have no interest in sociological complexities. This is all about “gotcha” politics. It only matters how many “questionable” things you can hang around someone’s neck. This is how we select people for the most important job in the country, if not the world: as if it was for a high school prom king or queen.
Posted by: jock59801 | April 12, 2008, 5:49 pm 5:49 pm
What he said was absolutely true and let’s face it, the truth hurts. I live in Indiana and unfortunately we are too much like OH and PA. We’re still waiting for someone to rescue us and return our long lost foundry jobs. What Hillary does a better job of is convincing people that she gives a damn and that she can do something about it. Go ahead and vote for her and take a look at your situation four years from now; nothing will have changed unless YOU have made a decision to be in control of your own destiny. Accept some accountability; educate yourself and your children. The federal government can’t solve all problems.
Posted by: WakeUp | April 12, 2008, 5:50 pm 5:50 pm
Barack spoke the truth and shouldn’t back down from it! People will infer from it what they want regardless of what was meant–that’s just people and there’s nothing he can do about that.
Americans are bitter about losing their jobs to Nafta (passed by Bill Clinton and lobbied by Hillary Clinton)! They are bitter about having elected officials not listening to them in Washington! They are bitter about having to support a family on minimum wage (if they can find a job)! This country is definitely going in the wrong direction for the middle class and it needs to be righted! Neither Hillary Clinton with her $109 million income since leaving the White House nor John McCain with his beer fortune heiress understands middle America or poor people! Barack worked as an organizer for 3 years with and for poor people! He is not an elitist–if anyone is an elitist it is Hillary Clinton and John McCain! Wake up America, you know what he meant by his statements and you know that those statements are true! Don’t let Hillary Clinton, John McCain or the Republican party try and insult your intelligence! Think for yourselves and make an informed decision when you decide to vote–whomever you decide to vote for!
Posted by: getreal | April 12, 2008, 5:51 pm 5:51 pm
Ann
Read his words. That’s not what he said. I understand Obama needs apologists to parse those words but the words remain clear. Obama is indicted by his on mouth. Stop thinking otherwise!
Posted by: S | April 12, 2008, 5:51 pm 5:51 pm
No, he didn’t have to the media takes great joy in doing his dirty work for him. Big difference between we ducked our heads and hurried to our vehicles and the remarks of Barrak Obama about the PA people. But Obama supporters and the media are always trying to deflect from the story to protect Sen. Obama.
Posted by: Annie | April 12, 2008, 6:00 pm 6:00 pm
who is hillary kidding??? they really think the American people are that stupid??? even bill clinton doesnt want his wife any where near the white house, as he revived the bosnia flap yesterday, since day one he has been trying to sink her campaign!!!he knows her best!!! no more monarchys we can do better, only two families in the white house for 28 years, jeez, America please wake up!!!!
Posted by: jacobs | April 12, 2008, 6:00 pm 6:00 pm
“Politicians (McCain/Clinton) sugar coat everything… why not tell it how it is?”
i.e. so things can ACTUALLY get done rather than live in a dillusional world where the actual issues aren’t discussed!
Posted by: chris | April 12, 2008, 6:01 pm 6:01 pm
It’s another one of those obama moments…DID I SAY THAT OUT LOUD AGAIN….oh well I’ll retract it and these dummies will believe me….what I meant….what I didn’t hear at church…..what I didn’t say…what my wife didn’t mean….again…his resentment, his jealousy and hatred are showing through
Posted by: Mary B | April 12, 2008, 6:01 pm 6:01 pm
People have faith because they love god and enjoy being part of that community.
People have guns, not only for protection, but as something was passed down to them as tradition, like hunting, or craftsmanship.
The idea that people in small towns are bitter and go cling to god, guns, and are racist against immigrants is just sickening.
I am shocked he said this, especially shocked that he wouldn’t say this in front of a crowd in pennsylvania, but behind their backs to a bunch of elitists in sanfrancisco fundraiser. Thats low class and disrespectful
Posted by: eddie | April 12, 2008, 6:01 pm 6:01 pm
Americans continue to get the politicans they always complain they dislike because they love to be pandered to. A politican like Obama comes along to tell it like it is and they can’t handle it. There is nothing wrong what he has said. It is sad when politicians like Hillary gets away with lies and deceit because many Americans are so used to quick soundbites and pandering. Wake up America. Start using your brains.
Posted by: Lisa Hampton | April 12, 2008, 6:02 pm 6:02 pm
Chris — you don’t seem able to actually defend your candidate except by attacking others. Discontinuous thinking?
Posted by: S | April 12, 2008, 6:03 pm 6:03 pm
Someone should ask just how high the overhead of the Federal government is? Is it 10%, 20%, 30%. My guess would be at least 50%, that is if there is no corruption to be found. Next ask, what Federal programs have been successful and actually achieved what they set out to achieve. I know the so called “war on poverty” has been in full operation since the sixties and my guess is there are more poor people not less. Fact is, the Federal government thrives on helpless, poor people just waiting for someone like Obama to tell them, I’m your saviour, just give me and my minions all your money and all will be right with the world. What a con game.
Posted by: sallie | April 12, 2008, 6:08 pm 6:08 pm
Some people should admit that they aren’t intelligent enough to really understand Barack Obama.
Unfortunately a lot of Americans aren’t very well educated,don’t understand politics very well, and are easily manipulated. It’s not a happy thing to admit, but it is the truth.
There are legitimate reasons to disagree with mr Obama, but claiming he’s elitist or unqualified is just repeating clever propaganda.
Posted by: Jeffrey | April 12, 2008, 6:12 pm 6:12 pm
WORDS? Just words? Just remember WORDS MATTER.
Posted by: Texas Lil | April 12, 2008, 6:13 pm 6:13 pm
Name one accomplishment of Obama other than great speaking abilities including the ability to con people into paying higher taxes. In return, since he has so much experience in spending other peoples money, he will bring “change” and “hope” to America. Problem is all of the peoples money will have disappeared down the dark hole of the State never to be seen again.
Posted by: sallie | April 12, 2008, 6:17 pm 6:17 pm
So Jeffrey,
If you are saying that Obama is qualified to be the President of the USA then explain to me what exactly he has done for America… tell me how he has earned the hardest job in the world.
I’m not talking about his empty promises I’m talking about real things that he has done.
Posted by: Hmmm | April 12, 2008, 6:18 pm 6:18 pm
Jeffrey — I assume you’re one of the select few who have the intelligence to understand Obama. Nothing like having an inflated ego. I guess.
Posted by: Aston | April 12, 2008, 6:18 pm 6:18 pm
To all of you Obama supporters who actually believe that what Senator Clinton said about Bosnia is worst than what Michelle Obama or Rev Wright said should check yourselves into a hospital right away…your brain has atrophied!!
Posted by: Carolyn | April 12, 2008, 6:18 pm 6:18 pm
I am very very disappointed that some people that post their ad here don’t reason and they go out of touch with the reality. Obama told us the truth and it is the truth and remains the truth. If you like turn , be left behind
Posted by: infos2008 | April 12, 2008, 6:20 pm 6:20 pm
I am very very disappointed that some people that post their ad here don’t reason and they go out of touch with the reality. Obama told us the truth and it is the truth and remains the truth. If you like turn , be left behind
Posted by: infos2008 | April 12, 2008, 6:23 pm 6:23 pm
What truth, give me all your money so since I can spend it better than you. Obama’s only experience in spending money is the deal he made with his buddy, Rezco, (on trial for corruption) where Obama and his wife got a super good deal on their million dollar home.
Posted by: ennis | April 12, 2008, 6:24 pm 6:24 pm
Yeah…Obama is just telling it like it is based on his personal experience. Yes he is clinging to his religion because he is bitter…Obama is bitter because he is racially confused that’s why he clinged to the Black Liberation Theology Wright is preaching for 20 years. Wright did not find Obama…Obama found the church and decided to accept their doctrine.
I am too is bitter..I am bitter that Obama is the frontrunner and could very well be the POTUS. I am bitter because Obama continues to fool people with his empty promises..with his mind blowing, knee shaking oratorical skills knowing all the while that he has no clue about what to do with this country. He is a politician with very big ambitions and with those ambitions he was able to speak in both sides of his mouth. American don’t fall for his empty promises. Vote Hillary Clinton!!!!
Posted by: asianamerican2 | April 12, 2008, 6:24 pm 6:24 pm
What is this ridiculousness you Barak-heads are talking about Obama speaking the truth… what are you even talking about. Explain what you mean because it sounds like you are following a cult leader.
At least Clinton and McCain supporters have a leg to stand on because their candidate has actually done things to improve this nation. What has Obama done? He is running on the ability to unify and he is not able to do that… look at all the posts here are these people unified?
Posted by: Hmmm | April 12, 2008, 6:26 pm 6:26 pm
You know something? Obama’s right. A large portion of this country IS made up Bible-thumping, gun-toting rednecks who hate anything that’s not like themselves. There. SOMEBODY has to say it. This is the “evangalical”, talk show watching, truck driving, foreigner hating trailer park demographic that Bush and the neo-conservatives have been war-mongering for the past eight years, and it’s about time we started openly addressing them for what they are instead of trying to pretend they don’t exist. Don’t like being described that way? Here’s an easy way to fix it: don’t BE that way. Stop voting for presidents based on whether you’d like to have a beer with them, and stop spazzing out and crying “elitism” when faced with an intellectual candidate. I’m more disappointed that he backed down and started babbling about “taking comfort in their faith” instead of sticking to his guns.
Posted by: Jeff | April 12, 2008, 8:45 pm 8:45 pm
Sue – why does that offend you so much? It’s not like he said that as an insult? You Obama-haters are waay too oversensitive. Don’t be so touchy!
Posted by: Kyle R. | April 12, 2008, 8:56 pm 8:56 pm
Obama is right – alot of people ARE bitter about being screwed by the Republicans and their false promises and rightwing demagoguery. I know I sure am! People hate it when someone tells it like it is in this country.
Posted by: Brian Maslow | April 12, 2008, 8:58 pm 8:58 pm
Griffin – do yo always put words in other people’s mouths? You Obama-haters sure are reading alot into his statement that wasn’t there. I guess Obama really hit a nerve, eh? That’s what happens when somebody has the courage to tell the TRUTH!
Posted by: Anne C. | April 12, 2008, 9:00 pm 9:00 pm
Hmmm – what did George Bush ever do to earn the job? Sorry, but after Bush, the bar has already been lowered and you right wingers can’t try and use that experience argument ever again. LOL
Posted by: Rick Roxxx | April 12, 2008, 9:02 pm 9:02 pm
I don’t see how this will help him transcend today’s typical politics. He’s basically saying that he’s a blue state guy and doesn’t get the red state area with all of those hicks! This guy has a glass jaw…good luck Dems if he’s your boy.
Posted by: Nick | April 12, 2008, 9:23 pm 9:23 pm
“You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years. … And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”
My sister buying a gun for self defense because the sex registry lists A LOT of people near her is bitter?
My family freely practicing our religion without fear(unlike the place we came from) ever since with moved to this country is bitter?
Disliking that the equivalent of a 1/3 of Canada’s population come to this country every decade illegally and and doing what would destroy the economy of any other nation on earth is bitter?
Disliking that even though so many people come here, most jobs are being shipped out of the country by politicians is bitter?
Sorry Obama but I am removing my vote Obama stickers and even though I planned to, I am no longer interested in voting for you…
Posted by: shady8x | April 12, 2008, 9:46 pm 9:46 pm
Well I live in a small town and have a small job that pays enough for my family, but I promise you we do not carry guns nor are we racist. I’m sorry, but Obama’s remarks were out of line. Deeply dissapointed. It seems Obama doesn’t understand or know the middle class. Pity. We are not bitter. We live in reality, trying to get a better life for ourselves and our children and we do NOT use religion as a pacifier. We go to church because we BELIEVE, thank you very much! Maybe if we had a racist preacher he would understand us better. Obama, you lost my vote.
Posted by: Leisha | April 12, 2008, 10:18 pm 10:18 pm
After after NAFTAA-gate, after news of Mr. Wright, 20 years with no change in his church, after this divisive comments about working class, could he still be elected president?
Posted by: Victor | April 12, 2008, 11:31 pm 11:31 pm
find it somewhat ironic that Barack would criticize rural America for having “antipathy to people who aren’t like them” by using antipathy to describe people who aren’t like him.
I find it somewhat ironic that Barack would criticize rural America for their anti-trade sentiment when he claims to be NAFTA’s strongest opponent.
I find it somewhat ironic that Barack would criticize rural America for clinging to their religion during troubled times while he clings to his pastor “What I value most about Pastor Wright is not his day-to-day political advice,” Obama said. “He’s much more of a sounding board for me to make sure that I am speaking as truthfully about what I believe as possible and that I’m not losing myself in some of the hype and hoopla and stress that’s involved in national politics.”
I find it somewhat ironic that Barack would criticize rural America for clinging to their legal guns used for hunting and family protection while assuring them that he is the guy that is pro-gun and will keep their guns flowing.
I find it down right sad that Barack would claim that rural America is “anti-immigrant” when he knows full well that they’re actually anti-Illegal immigrant and want secure borders just like Barack does.
Posted by: Jackie | April 12, 2008, 11:53 pm 11:53 pm
What are you afraid of in the US? You’d rather fight with guns than hear the truth? You fall for lies all the time. That’s why you are trillions of dollars in debt and borrowing money to buy more guns. Someone speaks the truth and you want to crucify him? No wonder your country is in so much trouble.
Marilyn from Canada
Posted by: Marilyn Jones | April 13, 2008, 1:37 am 1:37 am
A communicator does not need to explain frequently, well, Obama is constanstly explaining what he said and , in the process, insulting our intelligence by telling us that only HE understands. Sen, you are the one who should resign.
Posted by: Bernhart | April 13, 2008, 1:49 am 1:49 am
Oh yes, how dare Obama speak truthfully about how many Americans feel, instead of pandering to them like McBush and Hillary. Hey, I’m one of those “bitter Pennsylvanians”. My highest salary was 12 years ago, I’ve had 3 jobs in that time, all gone cause of cutbacks or sale/closing of companies. Income has gone down and healthcare coverage is gone. Savings half eaten up already. So I know exactly of what he speaks, and appreciate that he sees it too. Bush and the repubs (and the NAFTA Clintons) have been screwing us for years, but expect us to buck up and be sunny! You know, people always squawk about what liars politicians are and how they wish they could find one that will be honest with them. If that is true then Obama’s poll numbers should shoot right up! But, if this is something that loses the nomination for Obama, it will prove that most Americans are as full of crap as the politicians they vote for. Remember that American voters get the government they deserve. How else can you explain Bush winning a second term?
Posted by: Kepps | April 13, 2008, 2:00 am 2:00 am
He feels your pain. His father was a goat herder, his mentor is a well respected racist in the community, and his friend blew up buildings for crying out loud!
Posted by: Mack | April 13, 2008, 2:37 am 2:37 am
Obama is right, he speaks the truth, middle America is bitter and we can’t trust our government, illegal aliens take away the few jobs left in this country, trade agreements robbed us of manufacturing, so we turn to our churches and, yes, our right to bear arms – what else do we have. Clinton and McCain’s responses prove that they simply don’t have the courage that Obama has to speak the truth. WE ARE BITTER with good cause and if only Obama has the courage to make that an issue than he is the only man middle America can trust in the White House!
Posted by: Marial | April 13, 2008, 8:09 am 8:09 am
The “bitter” isn’t the part that gets me. It’s the “cling to” in describing small-town beliefs in religion and the desire to have guns. It’s like small-towners have no rational reason to believe in religion or to hunt–they only believe in these things BECAUSE the government has NOT CREATED JOBS.
That is an unbelievably out-of-touch comment. There’s always reasons for bitterness, even for those who live what most of us consider to be priveleged lives–but there’s NEVER a reason to tie in a belief in religion to the government’s performance. Unless, of course, you want to attack the first amendment while you’re busy trampling on the second.
Posted by: John | April 13, 2008, 9:43 am 9:43 am
People tend to get angry when free market economists paint rose-colored pictures of world GDP growth from trade agreements. That growth translates to 90% of wealth to 1%, 10% to 99%. But hey,it’s growth. And throw some Barack and John’s way to prolong it.
People often get angry when they and many around them are replaced by low cost immigrants perpetuated by hotels, factories, construction and more and more industries.
Many of us small town hicks are also mentally lame enough to get upset over tax preferences for foreign income and overseas plant construction.
All we ask is for a fair shot. Not some insulting remake of WHO MOVED MY CHEESE. You’ve gone past your expiration date, Senator Obama.
Hillary—state your plans and values, don’t bring him up anymore. Stand for what you believe in, let the people decide who they want.
Posted by: odD boB | April 13, 2008, 1:10 pm 1:10 pm
I believe Hilliary will make the best President. I believe that Obama does not have a chance to beat McCain in the general election. If we get 4 more years of Bush ethics, I think our country may never recover. Obama does not come across as understanding what our poor and middle class people are going through. His Rev. Wright associations and remarks about “small town America” just lost my vote.
Posted by: Joy | April 13, 2008, 3:48 pm 3:48 pm
I did do alot of research on Obama and I agree with several others that have posted. I can’t find anything he has actually done to help him to make a good president. He talks but that is all I can find. I did the same research on Hilliary. She has worked her whole life for civil rights, children rights, healthcare and she is down to earth. She is smart, hard-working, and a fighter. I do not trust Obama with our country. I do not trust Rev. Wright and his ethics, and anyone that will stay in a church that teaches these ethics to his children. I think Martin Luther King Jr. would stand beside Hilliary and support her, as would Robert Kennedy and many others. I think she has by far shown the better qualites that I would want for my President. I fully support Hilliary Clinton. I am small town America, but if I was large city America, I would still support Hilliary.
Posted by: Joy | April 13, 2008, 4:06 pm 4:06 pm
Well when I am in touble I pray harder. >When I see no hope I cling to God even more.It may be good or bad. God is my last resort. I cling to Him. So when leaders do not help. Globalization is beyond my control. My employer leaves town. Where should I go? Who should i turn to? My family and my God.
That is what Obama said. If we are looking to not vote for him or to put him in negative light, you can interpret anyway you like. But hopelessness and bitterness of last 7 years will not go away. We also tend to scapegoat others for our problems beyond our control. That is human nature. These are human emotions and normal unless you are a robot or saint.
Posted by: Kumar | April 13, 2008, 4:13 pm 4:13 pm
Go Obama! Finally, a politician brave enough to speak the truth. Many Americans are bitter and disappointed about how things are going now. Others may twist his message, but I feel they are the ones out of touch. Also, shame on you who turn this into a racist comment.
Posted by: lrainey070 | April 13, 2008, 4:20 pm 4:20 pm
I’ll never vote for an elitist racist like Obama. His supporters are brainwashed lunatics.
NOBAMA08
Posted by: typical black guy | April 13, 2008, 4:24 pm 4:24 pm
As we are listening to the news, {CNN} the news media are so biased for Obama. They readily refer to her income over the last 8 years, but forget to mention her charity and forget to mention any of the negative things about Obama. It is so surprising that the news media puts so much on little things that Hilliary does and little time on the negative things that Obama does. Obama is “out of touch” with the really important things that our country needs. I wonder if Obama is going to bring our soldiers out of Iraq and then send them directly to Afghanistan. I wonder if he has any ties with the Middle East, since his dad is Musslim. I wonder if he thinks all “white grandmothers” are typical white grandmothers. I wonder what his wife thinks of “America” and why she is so quiet in this election. There is so much I wonder about him that I do not feel that I can support him.
Posted by: Elwanta | April 13, 2008, 4:29 pm 4:29 pm
in watching McCain right now, he is a distguished leader as well as a speaker.
Obama on the other hand is a babbling fool, who can only make a prepared speech.
what a difference.
Posted by: bucky stops here 08 | April 13, 2008, 4:30 pm 4:30 pm
I live in the South and I support Hilliary Clinton. I beleive that she will do well as our President. She shows sincerity, knowledge, and strength. Barack Abama does not show strength. He has too many negaitves to run against McCain in the general election. We do not need another Republican in the white house. We need a President that cares about Americans. The Bush Administration has never cared for Americans. They care about big oil, a war that should not have happened and the rich. Hilliary shows strength and a knowledge to fight for Americans. I don’t trust Obama to do that. We need change all right, but the one to make that change is Hilliary Clinton. ARE WE BETTER OFF NOW THAN WE WERE 7 YEARS AGO? I remember in 2000 housing was booming, the economy was good, gas was alot more reasonable, food was so much easier to afford. You could even go to the movies and not fear not buying groceries because of it. If we don’t get a grip on our country we are really going to be in a deep depression. Airlines are cancelling flights, bridges are falling, mines are not being kept up, housing is the worst shape that I’ve seen in my lifetime, gas is rediculous, and yet our govenment is letting Iraq keep their oil money and we are paying them to rebuild their country which we help to tear up in the first place. Does that make sense? We invaded Iraq for 9/11 which they were not responsible for and weapons for mass destruction{which turned out to be not true}, and then we pay them to rebuild which we help to tear up, and we let our own country sink? That don’t make sense to me. Obama seems so aloof to the needs of our poor and middle class. The news media is so biased for Obama that Hilliary has not had a fair shake, but she will get my family’s votes. This last comment by Obama really was putting the “small town America” down. He seems to speak well but it takes action not just talk. He missed too many votes in the Senate and he has alot of negative actions, {Rev. Wright, Tony R. relationship, Mrs. Obama’s negative statements} that the news plays down but I do notice. Hilliary gets my vote.
Posted by: Memphis | April 13, 2008, 5:14 pm 5:14 pm
THIS JUST IN: “WE NEED MORE DUMB PEOPLE”
Obama is forming the backdrop for his November aspirations: 5 yellow people, 4 brown people, 20 white people, 1 black person, 4 green people, 20 purple people and 55 “million” dumb people required.
The Obama committee will move people around from where they were sitting to have more “dumb” people in the front row, sitting directly behind Obama, to cheer him on.
Obama, Michelle, Pelosi, Dean, Reid and Jeremiah Wright are stuck on stupid!
DON’T YOU JUST LOVE IT!
HILLARY 2008!
Posted by: small-town-girl | April 13, 2008, 5:36 pm 5:36 pm
The folks in rural America love their churches and their guns, and that’s fine. How is it “elitist” or “condescending” to say they should ALSO be able to expect good paying jobs, a secure retirement, affordable health care, diplomacy instead of warmongering, and a President that doesn’t lie to us? Of course we’re bitter! Vote for change in 2008. Go Obama!
Posted by: Susan | April 13, 2008, 7:24 pm 7:24 pm
Obama is right that people are bitter. But what do guns and religion have to do with bitterness? He really stepped in it here, he has really shown how out of touch he is. I’m not religious but I will absolutely defend people’s right to practice religion.
Posted by: Dan1101 | April 13, 2008, 7:25 pm 7:25 pm
I dislike Obama on so many levels that it’s difficult to pick just one. But I’ll try…
John F. Kennedy was the greatest president of my lifetime (and I resent the way Obama highjacks his cache by invoking his name whenever possible). Bill Clinton was the second greatest president I’ve seen. I’m horrified at how Obama’s obviously young supporters slander Bill and Hillary by saying they’re the wealthy elite, had privileged backgrounds, never worked a day in their lives, Hillary’s only accomplishment is being Bill’s wife, and on and on.
The self-imposed ignorance is mind-blowing. A simple google and an hour’s time could give them their complete biographies of humble beginnings and lifetime of public service. I’m convinced that the Obama campaign pushes these talking points through paid bloggers who brainwash our kids with hogwash.
The candidate of change is nothing but a revival of political dirty tricks in an electronic age.
Posted by: HoosierSue | April 13, 2008, 7:52 pm 7:52 pm
Susan:
He doesn’t say that rural America “love(s) their churches and their guns”. He said that the people in the Midwest “cling to guns and religion” BECAUSE OF THE GOVERNMENT’S FAILURES of the last 25 years. Read the whole original quote, and put it in context of the question that supposedly precipitated it (something along the lines of “why doesn’t small-town America support you, Sen Obama”). He tries to explain middle-America’s lack of belief in him as a product of MIDDLE-AMERICA’s closed-mindedness rather than as a well-thought out disagreement with his policies.
That’s snobbish elitism. . .at best.
Posted by: John | April 13, 2008, 7:55 pm 7:55 pm
Obama the snooty candidate, I knew his true self would show up and now it is time to wise up and vote for Hillary, she knows how hard we work and if we are Bitter it is because of people like Obama and Bush. I for one want Hillary because she is the voice for choice!
Posted by: PastorSandie1 | April 13, 2008, 7:58 pm 7:58 pm
well said Pastor, well said!
Posted by: rallph | April 13, 2008, 9:14 pm 9:14 pm
It’s all finally coming together like a puzzle. Michelle Obama’s comments”this is the first time I’ve been proud of America.”
Then the Jerimiah Wright controversy,
which he still dances around the hard questions.
His relationship with a known terrorist Bill Ayers which most people don’t even know about because of the liberal bias news.
Obama’s abortion mistake comments, and now this.
Posted by: Brandon | April 15, 2008, 2:40 am 2:40 am
Bravo, to U.S new presdent. hopefully. god saves you forever. be the the salt and the light in the world. Thanks
Posted by: anton | November 21, 2008, 5:59 pm 5:59 pm