‘American Skin’ (41 Points) — Why West Virginia Matters

According to this website, if you add FL and MI into the popular vote counts, Clinton is now ahead. Hummmm. Are the democrats prepared to annoint a nominee without FL and MI?

you know what cracks me up is that for the week leading up the pundits were saying that Hillary was going to win by this much… then it happened and they were like “oooooohhhhhh snap!! I can’t beleive that just happend!!!!!!!!”

I think the media is not realizing that this is MORE of a regional problem than Obama not being able to get the white working class vote.
Obama’s problem isn’t white working class voters per se but rather APPALACHIA.
Obama will probably get a large chunk of the white working class voters in Oregon, Montana, and South Dakota but will have problems in Kentucky (part of Appalachia).
The problem with Appalachia is that that is part of Pennsylvania and Ohio where Obama needs to do well.
Six months ago was Hillary considered by these folks as the “champion” of the white working class voters? Nope. Instead what she did was change her message and campaigning to appeal to these voters.
Obama needs to change his message and campaigning to appeal to these voters as well. He may not win over the majority of these voters in the Fall against McCain, but he has to get a larger chunk of these voters in order to win in the general election.
If he is able to do that, Obama will win the general election. If he is not, it will be much more difficult for him that he will have to get NEW VOTERS in the process to overcome this problem.

I think Obama gave her that state in hopes if she would win big she would feel better about getting out. His mistake for ever thinking such a thing. I hope he is done making crazy moves like that. I am an Obama supporter but I am also disappointed he did not go in there and fight for that state. He needs to let everyone know who he is and what his policies are. I feel he could have come very close if he would have worked that state.

First off, she can’t run as an independent, she would have to declare Separately in each individual state, with some deadlines coming up in June. She will stay in until June 3rd just so there is no time limit on recouping her debts. And lastly, any democrat woman who votes McCain, might as well sign over her reproductive rights, because there goes roe v. wade. So tell me how sour are those grapes?

This was a “How Dare They” moment from the Hillary supporters.
How dare the media tell us he’s the nominee when the voting is close and not over.
How dare they tell us our votes dont matter.
How dare they tell us she has no chance when she has the same chance as obama. With the help of superdelagates.

There are many things to say about FL and MI. But one important thing is what it reflects about Obama. He is a typical politician looking out only for himself.
Go tell the voters of FL and MI to ‘get over it.’ Let’s see how some of them like it.
Then again, when did an Obama supporter actually acknowledge that the other side might have some legitimate grievances? They’re too busy kissing the feet of The Great One.

huh?
If you can’t understand the roe v wade arguement for your own vote, think of all of those daughters of yours. In some cases, granddaughters.
In my younger voting years, i never gave r v w much thought, but now, i’m married, and have daughters. The decision and right belongs to them. NOT John McBortion!

Thinking and other Obama supporters,
While you trash West Virginia, Bill Clinton won it twice. Al Gore lost the election there. Obama is the new McGovern

Dennis, You may want to spell “arguement” correctly before you tell others to get a college education.

huh?
If you can’t understand the roe v wade arguement for your own vote, think of all of those daughters of yours. In some cases, granddaughters.
In my younger voting years, i never gave r v w much thought, but now, i’m married, and have daughters. The decision and right belongs to them. NOT John McBortion!
Posted by: DAVID NH | May 14, 2008 10:16:20 AM
David, reread my post, we are on the same page.
And wow whoever brought up roe v. wade fearmongering ha! I thought republicans were against having the government tell you what you can do, but that is exactly what they are doing with trying to get rid of it. They are trying to have the government control your body.
Perhaps bigger than this presidency is the fact that two count them two vacancies will be on the supreme court.
Now for all you civic class heroes, they are in that position for LIFE! not 4 years, not 8 years, for Life.
So it has been a long primary season, and arrows were lobbed by both sides. But please realize that McCain is far more conservative than he is a “Maverick” and he has to pay back those who would get him in office. That’s not you and me.

Are the DNC, Media and Obama/supporters so blind or in denial to keep thinking that Hillary supporters will ever vote for Obama in November? The way that she’s been treated and robbed of this nomination by starry-eyed zealots who think Obama is the “second-coming” is not something that will be forgotten or forgiven in November. We have long memories and can/will be very spiteful if we think our candidate was treated unfairly. The dismissive attitude of Obama and the media is disgusting and will be handsomely rewarded with our votes for McCain come November.

The Clinton campaign recycled her Pennsylvania “anti-elitism” message that resonated extremely strongly with WV voters – which created a large protest vote. A good portion of this WV electorate wasn’t for change – it was an angry mob vote in the guise as support for Hillary.

Robs in NYC you need to give the WVA people credit because they can smell an elitist a mile away. That is why they didn’t vote for Gore or Kerry. They do not like to be looked or talked down to.

Oh Cindy…that is such a below the belt comment. Obama is just a man, please don’t explain his loss with such stupid adjectives…like snooty.
I hate reading comments about either race, white or black. That is the appeal of Obama that he would take race out of the conversation if elected. Many in this country think he is a once in a lifetime candidate.
I am a Hillary supporter but I can see that Obama has much appeal to many folks.
Let’s keep the dialogue high minded. The attributes of both candidates should be judged on how electable they are. I think Hill is the one who can exceed the numbers needed to win against Mac.
Obama, however, has a email database that is astounding and those small supporters are who the Democrats want to go after in the Fall. Obama offers that and IMO the supers certainly are taking that into consideration. Newsweek has an article on this by Jonathon Alter …It’s about the Benjamins…the Ben Franklin currency will be the deciding factor in this race.

Wait I know this has been touched on before, but how does someone who “jointly” is worth 109 Million dollars call someone else an elitist?
They are all elitist, that’s how they got to be politicians.
That’s like Warren Buffet calling Bill Gates a rich snob.
Come on

All the people that are degrading, racists, and just plain rude are playing into the media. They love discourse and you are just fueling what they do well, LIE…it is a sad day in our country when people who concsider themselves intelligant are saying they will vote for a was monger like McCain if their candidate doesn’t get the nomination. I would bet Hillary will say, if she doesn’t getthe nom., tat she supports Obama, but really will down him and do hwatever prove her point that she should have been the nom.
But what will happen to our counrty. I really don’t give a crap about Hillary or Obama, but we need someone to get us out of this mess and McCain won’t do it…

Bill may be an elitist but he also has the Bubba affect being a small town country boy & that is where he wins them over. BHO doesn’t have that at all and his wife is all attitude and it is a turn off.

I think the media frame: why can’t he get white voters who make under $50K a year is the wrong frame to use.
The better question is: why do white voters who make under $50K a year in a GE consistently vote for the Republican?
Obama does have to answer that question this year. I think Hillary Clinton would have to answer the same question if she had actually won those states she didn’t contest?
Racism and anti-diversity vote accounts for some of it since Democrats didn’t win the South for the most part since Lyndon Johnson.
The way the media keeps talking about the numbers without going behind them is kind of disingenuous. Floating the belief that Obama can’t win white voters doesn’t preclude the man on the street interviews you all COULD and I would argue SHOULD have done throughout the states you all claim he can win. If the voter you ask says some impolitic things on air, then you would be reporting on the ground what was said.
The media has an obligation to tell us the truth even when it leads to some impure places.

Robin
Oh, Clinton supporters are maxing out their donations trying to help her? How come she is $20 million dollars in the red despite being OUTSPENT 4-1? Her supporters are non-college educated, broke toothless bastards that have no dime to give. As for us Obama people, we have money galore.
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“Money galore?” Oh really, so then tell us, Robin, WHERE DOES IT COME FROM, and “online contributions” is not a satisfactory answer.

West Virginia does not speak for America. West Virginia speaks for racist and incestuous folks. Oregon, a real state, a state we can be proud of, will have their say next Tuesday and we’ll get their verdict.

So when the media told you about BHOs campaign office being vandalized did they forget to tell you about one of Hillary’s campaign offices being burned down?

David et al:
Roe v. Wade?
Note, the President does not get to overturn Roe v. Wade. If that were the case, why has GW not been successful? He is a strident pro-lifer. Our SC has had infinite opportunity to overturn Roe and has not chosen to do so. The SC justices are lifetime appointments. The only way John McCain gets to appoint a justice, with the advice and consent of the Senate, is a SC justice dies or retires.
Even given the opportunity for John McCain to appoint a judge he believes to be like Scalia, Alito or Roberts, that does not translate into throwing out Roe v. Wade. Note, Justice Seuter was a Repub appointment. No guarantees once the justice is sworn in.
If you folks watched the interview Of Justice Scalia last month on TV, you would have noted his position and explanation. Even if Roe were overturned, that would not mean that there would be a federal prohibition against abortion. It simply would mean that each state would then decide, if it had not already done so in the past, on the woman’s right to choose and the parameters and limitations of the exercise of that right.
This is not the 1960′s!! Which states do you actually believe could legislate successfully to prohibit abortion??
Abortion is a non-issue in this election. The use of it to scare people into supporting Obama is outrageous.

Since 1916 Every Democrat who won the Presidency won West Virginia. Obama just lost West Virginia and the Presidncy. Vote for Hillary or McCain never Obama.

Im not sure why the democratic Party is even messing around with this situation. The way I see 1/2 the country is going to be upset no matter who the nominee turns out to be. Obama may be ahead now but rest assured that come November Obama will have no chance against McCain. Not saying McCain is the man who should win, I’m just saying people would rather vote for McCain then Obama, however they would vote Clinton before McCain. So Clinton should stay in the race and lay her claim to what is right. She can take it all the way to the white house can you say that about Obama, NOT A CHANCE!!!!!

Obama has a plan for Oregon? Really? His plan is to move a Great Lake there, folks.

WV knows a liberal socialist when they see one.
PS-His wife and pastor hate America.

It does not matter what us true blue americans think, the DNC are going to do what they want no matter what happens, they’ll worry about it later. Believe me when I say that if Obama gets the nomination then more then the democrats will be divided.

Kito11,
I agree. Obama’s advantage comes from victories in caucuses in very red states like Idaho where only about 20,000 people voted. That is not going to stick in November.

The lack of understanding some people show for the process amazes me sometimes.
The facts are quite clear. After WV, Hillary Clinton leads in the popular vote – I know that you Kool–aid drinkers don’t want to count Florida and Michigan – maybe you all had the same Marxist professors Obama sought out in college – but you see, in America, we count all the votes – The votes in those 2 states were certified by their respective Sec. of States. The DNC has no power over them – they can simply deny the seating of their delegates at the convention – until the credentials committee rules on their status. – it’s just that simple – and I know you will whine and complain that the candidates didn’t campaign in FL or that Obama’s name was not on the ballot in MI – The truth is Obama did campaign in FL, running cable TV ads for weeks prior to the election in violation of the agreement he had with the other candidates and the DNC – as for MI, he took his name off the ballot there by his own accord, in order to curry favor in Iowa and with the explicit hope of invalidating results that he knew would favor Clinton – he then conspired with his supporters in the MI legislature to thwart any effort to allow for a revote there – a somewhat callous and audacious political calculation for such an uplifting, inspiring leader – and one that will fortunately come back to haunt him.
Facts can be terrible things but they are what they are – and after 2.5 million people vote in Puerto Rico, Clinton’s popular vote lead will be undeniable and insurmountable and trust me – the Democratic party will not do to Hillary Clinton what was done to Al Gore 8 years ago. Super-delegates will not overturn the will of the people – it’s just that simple – I could go on but I see by the old clock on the wall it’s time for your next dose of Kool-Aid.

Cindyct,
Why doesn’t Obama drop out of the race if he cares about the Party? If this is about the Party, Hillary has the core members with her except for AA who I am sure will go with her if she is the nominee. She has a better health care plan, she has a great economic agenda. Even Obamanites like Maureen Dowd from the NYT acknowledged in a round table with George Stephanopoulus that if he is
the nominee we may be locked in the Fall with to presidential candidates neither of whom has a good economic plan. Obama should be gracious to his Party and bow out, it’s not his time yet.

Funny… Obama blew Clinton out 10 other times with margins of victory larger than the one she pulled off in WV.
This one doesn’t matter. At all.

I didn’t know obama is so wicked,lets say he’s a monster,by what he is doing, trying to win the nomination for the first time for the blacks in particular and the whole nation in general.It’s unfortunate he stepped on so many toes doing it,causing unpardonable griefs and anger to a lot of people to the extend they swore to make sure he doesn’t win for their party, my question is this, be sincere to yourself who is the real monster here?

rockthebleachers: “Obama has won only two primaries since Wisconsin – Mississippi and NC, both dominated by black turnout. ” GOOD POINT. The DNC has to recognize the turn of the tide since Super Tuesday. Obama’s halo effect of being so “new” has worn off. It is a whole new election since NH. If all the primary voters were to be cast today – the outcome would be totally in Hillary’s favor. And this will reveal itself in Nov. if Obama is the nominee.

It is telling how Obama does not look people in the eye – he is always looking over the tops of their head- nose in the air. Watch him. His head is at a tilt upward – looking over everyone’s head.

There is no way Obama would be winning if “Rev.” Wright had reared his head in January. That’s why Obama didn’t want Wright around when he announced his presidential bid. Obama saying he only ‘found out’ about Wright recently is not credible.

You Beat…and Hillary isn’t kissing up because she is ahead? I still do not agree with your side if the story. Hillary went to the vote on this and the state legislature made the decision not Obama…but you wouldn’t agree with that anyway so just don’t read that post..People like you ignore what you don’t understand.

“the state legislature made the decision not Obama”
Please stop wasting time here with this argument. What part of “Obama’s surrogates killed any possibility of a re-vote. Obama has said over and over again that FL’s votes shouldn’t count” did you not understand? Whatever, take your argument to the voters in FL in the general and see how that works out.

Missile from Iran fired into central Israel from Gaza today, much damage done.
What will Obama say/do? Constant sore indeed.
The Iranians have armed Hamas.

CORRECTION:
The total figure of 8,086,459 DOES NOT include West Virginia.
Sorry about that.

Which Democratic candidate is more electable?
Consider this:
This is how the Electoral College stands as of April 23, 2008, showing strengths of Clinton vs. Obama, based on their results. For those who have not understood, this is not a head-to-head matchup, but rather a side-by-side comparison.
This assumes a winner-take-all primary/caucus vote takes all Electoral votes for each state. The totals immediately below are WITHOUT any consideration of the states of Florida and Michigan.
Clinton 261
Obama 181
But with Florida and Michigan:
Clinton 305
Obama 181
Assuming the following victories, based on current polls, with Clinton winning Indiana, West Virginia, Kentucky, and Obama winning North Carolina, South Dakota, Oregon (which is doubtful), and Montana, the totals would then be, still without Florida and Michigan:
Clinton 285
Obama 209
Even with a victory for Obama in Indiana, the totals would be, still without Florida and Michigan:
Clinton 274
Obama 220
Please note that it takes 270 Electoral College votes to win the General Election.
Whether or not the vote turns out as indicated, I firmly believe the above analysis more than amply demonstrates which of the Democratic candidates is in a better position to be the stronger candidate in the General Election.

How can the African American voters be racists when the only presidential candidates they have had to vote for before now have been white men????? Racists are usually those who REFUSE to accept someone of another color. The ones who said they would not vote for a minority no matter who that person is.

Obama has no chance of beating McCain in November. Hillary will beat McCain in November so Hillary is the Best most electable Candidate period.

Hill Will: I agree with you. The way that Hillary has been treated in the media will not be easily forgotten by her supporters.
Obama supporters and the news media think that this will all be forgotten in Novemeber.
We the women of the United States will get our revenge. You will see Mr., Obama (the made-to-order candidate), that it will be an uphill battle for you to win the presidential nomination.
We are either not going to vote or we will vote for McCain.
Revenge is SWEET!!!!!

The reality is that you CLINTON FOLKS DON’T CARE ABOUT THE PARTY!!! I READ these comments about Mrs. Clinton as if she is a VICTIM!!! IN the beginning of this process SHE WAS THE presumptive nominee, SHE HAD THE MAJORITY OF THE BLACK VOTE ( THE DEMOCRATIC PATY’s MOST LOYAL CONSTITUENCY – ASK BILL CLINTON – TWICE ELECTED BY OVERWHELMING MAJORITES OF BLACK FOLK.) WHAT HAPPENED???

AGBE, speaking only for me, no, I don’t care about the party, not anymore. Not after having our party hijacked by the far left. You can have Obama and the democratic party.

sorne: you better get use to it. The women vote and the catholic vote are the swing voters. And guess what, Obama ain’t getting it.
Stick that in your “manly pipe” and smoke it!!!!

Rick,
When does Wright’s book come out??? Has anyone bothered to ask him what the terms of his book deal are, exactly?
Also, what is going into Obama’s so-called victory speech on May 30?

Debra: This is a story the media has once again skipped over to help their Obama favorite. Obama’s background is NOT “American” one of “faith”. Now the DNC is starting to say that we will all hear about Obama’s background! Well – he has things to hide that is why he stumbles and does not talk about how much he loved his Mother. But now the DNC will tell Obama what to say about his background and love of this country and groundedness in fgaith> HA! More lies from Obama.

Why do ABC journalists continue to coddle and protect the Clintons? As Camille Paglia points it:
Republican operatives have been salivating for Hillary to be the nominee. Her vainglorious claim to have been fully “vetted” is ludicrous. She and her husband left a mountain of manure in Little Rock and Washington that hasn’t even begun to be thrown. The mainstream media, despite its tilt toward Obama, has been amazingly protective of the Clintons during this campaign. Where were the chronologies of the voluminous Clinton scandals that voters (especially young ones) needed to evaluate Hillary’s professional judgment and character? That the conservative Washington Times has now begun to make document drops about Hillary’s stonewalling and duplicity (such as over the Rose Law Firm billing records) suggests that Republicans have concluded her candidacy is kaput.
Surely, given Hillary’s claim of expertise on the basis of her service as first lady, every major or ambiguous episode in her husband’s two presidencies should have been systematically reexamined by the media. I for one have renewed questions about the 1993 suicide of Deputy White House Counsel Vince Foster, Hillary’s former law partner and longtime friend, whose files were purged by Hillary’s staff before they could be examined for evidence. One must always be skeptical about Web rumors, but my interest was piqued last year by claims that Foster was shattered by the role he had played three months earlier in the outrageous order for federal agents to attack David Koresh’s ranch at Waco, Texas, producing a conflagration that led to 76 deaths, including 21 children. Why has the Waco fiasco been forgotten? It triggered the worst case of domestic terrorism in U.S. history, the 1995 revenge bombing of the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City.
See her entire column on Salon.

Jane, thanks but no thanks. Beating a dead horse toots. I seriously doubt that the right didn’t look under ever rock to find more on the Clintons. Get over it. A lot of tax payers money wasted on nothing. Typical GOP. Waste money on bogus accusations & then blow trillions on a war based on lies.
Lord bless this mess!

Interesting on Charlie Rose last night (of course pro BHO) they were talking VP possibilities. They said BHO needs some one that knows their way around Washington. I had a good laugh on that one. Not experienced to know the ins and outs of Washington. Pretty confident about his experience.

Obama has lost the Reagan Democrats with the “bitter” speak and the good Rev. and they will not come back in the fall. He will lose the GE just like Kerry, Dukaukis, and Mondale, not because he is black, but because he can’t and won’t get there vote, just like the other losers. A 41 point lose at this stage of the primary season is down right embarassing, and he is heading for another next week. Oh yes he always has Oregon to make him feel better, he hopes….

Cindy,
Obama won Missouri 49 to 48, with 1% of the voters uncommitted and, as Debra points out, it was before Jeremiah Wright surfaced. Don’t count on Missouri in November. Clinton won rural areas in Missouri overwhelmingly.

Too much negativity ain’t going to change the maths. OBAMA has changed thre gameplan.The maths has put the nomination into his back pocket.
Superdelegates have started the mass exodus to Obama.
Obama is charting his election campaign strategy to heal the party. Mend the broken dreams and bring the party back on track.There you have it.
Hillary can now plan her exit strategy with honour.The maths declare that OBAMA wins.Superdelegates will go with the maths and the will of the people. Errol Smythe

J. McCrank doesn’t have a ghost of
chance in November. The ancient
McCodger may as well concede
right now.

Hi, Rick, thanks for sitting in.
It’s a shame more people aren’t pointing out what Obama’s loss means the way you have; most of the press is just glossing over it. People read the headlines and think this primary was unimportant but it’s not.

Oh Jane…Why do we have to suffer the thoughts and ramblings of Camille. I live in Philly and have to here her students recant the dribble she imparts to them.

J. McCrank will crank up the
war. He thinks the economy
is overheated and wants to
crank it down.
The confused codger lives in
the past and will be no good
for the country.

The only thing Hillary has in common with blue collar white folks in w. virginia is the color of her skin which she is exploiting to her advantage.
Let’s face it, some white folk will not vote for a black man if their life depended on (especially in W.VA, Indiana, Penn & Kentucky) where you have few people of color. These people have not been exposed to the pleasures of diversity.
On the other hand Barack has won other white states with no problem simply becuase those states had more and better educated whites. I really don’t think he has the problem it’s they (blue-collar/uneducated whites) are ones with the problem.
IMHO, I’ve been luck to have the pleasures of meeting and living among many diverse communities that it really makes the world a better exciting place.

Jim: Right on! I love your idea! Let’s get it over to Hillary!!!!!
That would be so awesome if she won the presidency after all the crap the media has given Hillary, running on an Independent Ticket.
Your right! She is the only candidate that is running down the middle!!!!

I really hope the Clinton campaign considers the idea. I am getting the impression that she really does not have a great future in the Democratic party. Harry Reid is going no where anytime soon, so I say go for it. Also if Bob Barr runs,…McCain would be even easier to beat.

While all the dems are still fighting over Who won the primary, President McCain will be picking Supreme Court Judges

I actually just heard a “journalist” excuse Obama’s 57 States remark by saying that he’s fatigued and this is why this race needs to end – so he can rest up for the General Election.
We all remember how upon returning from his Easter holiday, Obama said that this primary had been “like the Bataan Death March.”
Does he think this is the hard part? Does he think serving as POTUS is easier than this?
Hillary isn’t tired; she’s just getting warmed up!

Running down McCain isn’t making Obama look any better. In fact, it’s just reinforcing the fact that I could never support a man who inspires such blind hatred among his followers.

If Obama wins, it will not be with the popular vote but by stealing the election. Obama pledged $20 million to help the superdelegates in the next election and getting elected again is more important than what is best for America. Obama wins by dirty politics. If Florida and Michigan voters voices are not counted, there should be a rebellion against the dictator Obama. He cares more for those people who live in gov. housing, using food stamps and drugs and having a baby a year on tax payers dollars. He does not care for the White families who work hard and live within their means. He is a far left liberal/socialist.

Pastor James Manning of Harlem just stated that Barack Hussein Obama has pimped the media into thinking that he could be our president. He says all the players: Rev.Jeremiah Wright, Rev. Al SHarpton, Jesse Jackson, Oprah Winfrey and Barack Hussein Obama are all in this together to get control of the Whitehouse. Obama has promised lots and lots to these players. I wonder what they all have under their sleeves. And according to the Pastor, Mr. Axelrod is the organizer behind this all.

Robin…I agree with you entirely, if the Obama team (kennedy, kerry, pelosi) gets there way, the goverment would swing to far left. We just had to go thru 8 years of neocon right, I for one would like to see a true Independent President who could preside without a party to answer to.

Norm…I just wish Rev. Al would pay his taxes.

darlene..That why Hillary should run as a Independent, take votes from Obama and McCain and win.

Obama made the idiotic housing comment about that we are now in a depression because of the housing problems.
He says we have 57 states.
They speak Arabic in Afghanistan
Canada has a president, not a Prime Minister.
Intelligently spoken from Obama’s lips!!!

Alindra…don’t slam the small town people of WVA and call them racists. Just because BO wins 95% of black vote and wins big in heavily populated black states…won’t get him to the WH. I live in L.A. and would never vote for him, not due to his skin color. Many of the people you slam are the backbone of this country and the determinors of an election.

the election counts…Oh the Dems would work with her I’m sure. Alot of republicans would work with her also, I think they could get more done with an Independent in office.

this election counts: First thing she should do is get that B**** Pelosi out. She is so jealous of HIllary, she would do everything in her power to let Hillary look bad.
Hillary should get rid of all the democrates in congress.
Secondly, give Richardson, Kennedy and Obama chauffeur duties driving her around; “Driving Miss Hillary”! Oh! yeah, also “Driving Miss Billy, too”!

Obama and McCain are both sitting ducks for a third contender to run straight down the middle, and Hillary Clinton is poised to to be the person who could do it and win. I really hope she takes a shot at. I would rather see her try and fail than languish in the Democratic party.

Can anyone explain to me, how we little people, whom are just common folk voters, can see what is going on here. But intelligent people like the Superdelegates keep crooning Obama, when they know very well that he will not win, without the white vote, the older female vote, the catholic vote and the jewish vote.
Do they really think that the Hillary supporters will go over to Obama in the General Election!
What has Obama and Axelrod promised these superdelegates. It has to be lots and lots of monies!!!! and high positions!!!!

I feel quite sad for the Democratic party. The leadership is locked in a primary process that has become something of a joke. It is pretty well acknowledged that Obama gamed the primary system, where the delegates awarded in a caucus state, where 20,000 people voted, equaled the delegates awarded in a primary state, where 300,000 people voted. Obama’s young voters, with lots of time on their hands, were able to dominate the caucuses to assure large margins for him. Nobody believes that the caucuses are in any way reflective of how people will vote in the general election. Witness Texas, where Hillary won the popular vote, but Obama got more delegates because he won the caucuses. Not only that, many of the big wins were in Red states.
Of course, it goes without saying that Michigan and Florida are fiascos. The fact that the Democratic leadership thought it was OK to exclude them simply says that these people have not got a thimble full of brains between them.
Because the delegate count is not reflective of Democratic voters in the general election, Obama is much weaker than his delegate count would indicate.
So, what we have is a clearly weak candidate in Obama, who is likely to win the nomination and then lose the general election. Not only will he be a weak candidate, but if he happens to win the presidency he will be the most inexperienced president we have ever had. It is scary to think of handing the keys to the government to him and his crowd of inexeperienced academics.
The superdelegates can change this result by handing Hillary the nomination, but they are quite understandibly scared to death of going against the so-called will of the people, as reflected in the elected delegate count. This is so even though the current delegate count does not reflect the will of the people, but reflects a seriously flawed primary process. The SDs may be afraid that if they hand the nomination to Hillary, Black people will, at best, stop voting for Democrats, or at worst riot in Denver. Maybe they are right. Maybe the best thing in the long run is to let Obama have his shot, if nothing else, to mollify the Black vote.
However, the SDs must realize that by catering to the Black vote and the extreme left wing of the Democratic party, they risk alienating a large number of blue collar voters. Bill Clinton, for all of his faults, managed to move the Democratic party to the center, where it has to be in order to win the presidency. Gore and Kerry pulled the party to the left, and lost. Obama is likely to pull the party to the extreme left, and the blue collar votes he loses may abandon the Democractic party for a generation, making it impossible for any Democrat to win the presidency.

darlene…they took off your hysterical comment about BO in his jeans and how Michelle better worry about him showing off…and then you barfed. LOL. Anyway…the only thing we can do, as it seems BO’s nom has everything to do with money….is to make our voices heard LOUDLY in Nov. by working to elect McCain. I can’t wait until they review those exit polls to see mass exodus of Hillary Dems to McCain.

David H…you’re brilliant and summed it up completely and concisely. But I am still holding out they won’t just hand it to Obama on a platter. I want an ugly struggle for it, to strengthen McCain’s chances. I cannot stomach the thought of BO and his wife in the WH. Can you imagine extra tax payers $$ to pay for his posse of Secret Service? They will have to triple whatever has been spent in the past.

Darlene you have me laughing again. I really wanted to re-read your first post about his showing off, I literally almost wet my pants, which is why they took it off the blog. Love your sense of humor.
By the way, saw a bit of Hillary on CNN with Wolf and the interview looks great. He asked her about Chelsea’s role in all of this and she got really choked up, as a mother would with pride, and I bet they jump all over her for tearing up. She can’t do anything right. Keep the faith and let’s keep our eyes on that strutting, arrogant excuse of a candidate.

Debra: I agree with you. We need to keep the faith. I truly believe that something is going to happen. I don’t know what it is yet. But for some reason I believe that the Republicans and the Clintons know something, we don’t know yet, about this Obama character.
I think the Clintons and the Republicans are saving it for the last minute, which will turn this whole election around.
There is something out there, that is very serious, that has to do with Obama.
Everyone is just sitting tight until the time is right!!!!

I just read this in regard to the loss of the support of blue collar voters in WV, and what it means for the general election: “You just can’t abstract from primary voters to general election voters — and all of her [Clinton's]voters are going to vote for him [Obama],” said Jim Jordan, a Democratic consultant who is supporting Mr. Obama.
Could the Obama people be that dumb? I, for one, voted for Hillary and will vote for McCain if Obama gets the nod. I am a centrist voter, and both Hillary and McCain are centrist candidates. Obama is a creature of the Far Left. Hillary’s approach to governing was proved during the Clinton years, so she is my first choice. McCain is second best, to be sure, but he will likely govern to the left of Bush. At any rate, he will not be a captive of the Far Right nutbags. Obama is the riskiest choice. His lack of experience will allow him to be manipulated by his Far Left backers, and will leave him uncertain in a crisis. His tepid patriotism will cause him to put the interests of other countries ahead of those of the America. He will focus on the needs of young voters, Blacks, the well educated, and the affluent — i.e., his base. Blue collar voters would be insane to vote for him.

Well, I know what I’m not hearing from Obama… neither sincerity nor capability.

Go sit down and read a book, Darlene

In Hillary Who? you have a petty,
miserable and exhausting loser.

Somebody please explain a 92% of the black vote for Obama.
Why do we accuse the white race of racism if Obama does not get majority of their vote and nothing is said of the over 92% of the black vote for Obama?

America is truly amazing. Only in America can you get a college education and never be a racist. It is magic, the college degree is your proof you are and never will be a racist. LOL