Archdiocese of Chicago Hammers Father Pfleger

It’s unfortunate that Rev. Pfleger used the pulpit to discuss Hillary. However, I believe what he said is TRUE.
Senator Obama should not be blamed or have to reject Rev. Pfleger because of his comments. Rev. Pfleger is an aquaintance not a friend of Senator Obama’s. Senator Obama is not responsible for the moral attitudes of everyone!
HOW IS IT THAT EVERY TIME SOMEONE SPEAKS AT TRINITY CHURCH IT HITS THE MEDIA. IS SOMEONE PLANTED AT THE CHURCH? That is a disgrace.
Has anyone been planted at HAGEE’S CHURCH?
Let’s show some common sense.

Well, we all have to “feel better” knowing that the church of the higher ups doesn’t agree with this hateful misogynist priest “campaigning” on church time. It’s interesting that neither this statement nor the statement for Obama mentioned a repudiation of the hateful misogyny.
I guess that part was ok. Oh, that’s right, this “a church”…

“That hate hadn’t gone away”….”white people — some cruel, some ignorant, sometimes a single face, sometimes just a faceless image of a system claiming power over our lives.”
Barack Hussein Obama from
Dreams Of My Father
Obama’s own words….
Is Obama going to
DENOUNCE HIS OWN WORDS?

Once again one of Obama’s associates reflect a trend that is extremely disturbing and it appears that this obivous red flag will seem invisible as to becoming a concern for the Democratic Party. While I’m no expert on human behavior, it is mostly true that people are usually drawn to people that are similar to themselves…this can be seen in small children all the way up to the elderly folks on the planet. Senator Obama can denouce these associations all he wants but the fact remains that under the surface this man is not a uniter for ALL the people of America. It’s so disappointing to reflect on the millions of voters who supported Obama coming to the realization that they made the wrong choice. Slowly the realization that Obama has more than one face is coming to light. Take heart Obama supporters, all is not lost though, because if Obama gets the Democratic nomination, Senator McCain will surely be the next president, at least with McCain you know what you’re getting. I just hope that Clinton will stand firm and refuse to be joined with Obama on a ticket as the “Democratic attempt” to save their wrong choice (Obama). I am so glad I’m a registered Independent.

endorsed by terrorists
as opposed to a guy who silicates endorsements from a preacher who thinks katrina was an act of god to wipe out homosexuals, or that the holocaust was gods will
or the fact that while he may not have been endorsed by terrorists, his campaign officials sure lobbied our goverment for those terrorist and rogue nations
does that reflect poorly on mccain?
it should if you are going to say these things about obama, then it must reflect negatively on mccain

I finally saw the Pfleger video and I have to say I am shocked. Obama claims his church has a new pastor. His new pastor seems to countenance speakers in the pulpit who are bent on fanning the flames of race hatred. This does not seem to be much of a change from Wright. Apparently, Obama is not going to denounce this church and what it appears to stand for.
This is simply outrageous. And, to think Obama sat in that church for 20 years. One can only guess what he has planned for us all.
I am still waiting to see the video of Michelle Obama screaming “**** whitey” from the pulpit. That should just about complete the picture.

Get the religion to hell out of politics,.Has no place I don’t give a —- where or when either of them go to church Not my issue…..

Just a HAIL MARY what bs I am sure the archbishop is getting his cut also

NOW can we call the TUCC a “hate church”?

I am an Obama supporter and I am Catholic. I am very glad the archdiocese BLAST Pfleger. His comment was divisive, HATEFUL and just plain STUPID.
It not only hurt Hillary but it hurt Obama and the Catholic church.
SHAME ON HIM.

Now the GOP priest that blasted Obama should also be ridiculed by his archdiocese.
I think that the clergy should REFRAME from such STUPID comments.

OBAMA/WRIGHT = WRONG!
Obama keeps saying he does not agree with Wright – BUT – he is still a member of that church – WHY??? He needs to leave!
After 20 years there – he must believe some of what was taught – even some is just too much for me.
Wright’s attitude is “us against them” – “Us” being Black People “Them” being White people -
this is not the message Obama talks about. Is this all for show – tells us what we want to hear?
I do not like the comment from Wright – “Obama says what he has to – he is a Politician”!
This is not a good message for someone who wants to be the President of the UNITED States.
Wright has caused major harm to Obama’s campaign, and it will never go away.

All of this hate being spread–and in God’s House.
If you listen to more of the video it wasn’t just an attack on Hillary, but all white people.
Obama either has terrible judgement or he believes it too. How else could he listen for 20 years?
I’ll never vote for him…

I am a Catholic and all of these outrageous men of God are completely…crazy. I have never ONCE seen or heard this sort of distasteful, idiotic crap that is so…political. If this is what goes on in some churches, I really fear for those parents that bring their young kids to sermons. It is divisive and I wonder if Obama’s daughters have learned anything from TUCC. To imagine his innocent girls being taken to Reverand Wright’s sermons is completely unthinkable.

Look, The IRREVERENT Wright is what he is but the fact is he is not the only issue Barack has difficulty with. Barack has several assoicates that are just awful to include, Wright, Rexkp, Ayers, Odinga, etc. He has a wife that seems to be ashamed of America. He refuses to wear a lapel pin saying he doesn’t want to take sides. And what’s worse is his far left agenda.
He’s simply a bad candidate and I think everyone is aware of that now.

Throw Obama overboard.

The problem is, Obama is running for President and we Americans not only evaluate their experience but judgement. Unfortunately, Barack seems to have neither

I am watching this hateful man perform in front of his cheering crowd again, here on FOX, and am disgusted as much by the performance as by the parishioners. My predicton…Obama Speech III. He will now denouce, reject, distance himself from beloved Trinity. They took Pfleger off Obama’s website yeserday as an advisor to his campaign. How many more whitey haters will Obama have to ditance himself from? Michelle would be rather hard to extricate himself from. Why do they not think their young daughters deserve to hear better from a church? Change, Unity…..What? The reason Obama will not be elected in November…plain and simple = Wright/Trinity. Followed by inexperience.

Thanks to Obama, Pfleger’s Church received over $ 225000.00 from the State of IL……this is the kind of Legislation Obama oversaw during his rise in Chicago…..
Who’s the MAN in Pfleger’s Church—-
While Obama was on the board of the Wood’s Fund with Ayers, They gave 40000.00 to Wright’s Church…..
(plus Obama’s own Offering of 26000.00 a year)
Who’s the MAN in Wright’s Church—–
“That hate hadn’t gone away”….”white people — some cruel, some ignorant, sometimes a single face, sometimes just a faceless image of a system claiming power over our lives.”
Barack Hussein Obama from
Dreams Of My Father

Obama has more feeling for the Islamic terrorists than he does his fellow Americans!

As if obama and his hateful wife aren’t a problem enough..here is the reverend that he was hoping would never come to light..now front and center confirming the so called snippet sound bites are actually the way of life in this church….where do they get off having a BLACK church and not just a CHURCH in the United States of America…welcoming all

This priest has nothing to do with the Obama campaign and his comments are not racist! How can a white man be racist against another white person? Look up the meaning of racist before you call someone racist. His comments don’t come close to Hillary’s comment of “RFK Assassination” last week hoping Obama gets killed so she can win the nomination. All of Clinton supporters are trying to find any little thing to try to change the rules so she can win this nomination. But I got news for you, it won’t work…period. Your candidate will lose and that’s the bottomline. Hillary Clinton and some of her supporters are the worst people I have ever heard support a candidate. You guys are the most divisive, complaining, uneducated people I have ever had the displeasure to hear. Campaign politics or not, grow up and be adults and conduct yourselves with some amount of dignity. COME ON!

Wait until you hear Rev James Meeks. He’s one of the triumverate of “spiritual advisors” Obama has relied upon to get elected in Chicago. Obama is a crass opportunist who didn’t mind listening to these fruitcakes’ racist drivel for years as long as they served his purpose.
Pfleger should be excommunicated for actively supporting a pro-abortion candidate.

Anyone else find it incredible that the Archdiocese condemned the “personal attack,” but not the “whitey” attack?
Believe it or not, I could live with Rev. White’s opinions. They were angry, but not hateful.
Pfleger has enraged me. He should be removed from the pulpit. He’s divisive and unChristian.
Nice slap on the wrist, Archdiocese. How about a meaningful comment?

Yes, I have heard other clerics engage in such disdainful mockery from a pulpit. Racist Rev. Wright did from THE SAME CHURCH. They (those sitting in that church ) obviously hate white people, Bill and Hill included. They make me sick. That church alone has set race relations back decades.

Myself and my entire family are changing parties.
The democratic party has become so divisive I can’t stand it.
I don’t know how anybody does.

Just another reminder that Obama is the great divider

I agree that such comments are offensive and have no place in the pulpit. I am also offended, however, by the relative lack of msm coverage given to Liz Trotta (Fox news analyst)who in essence called for Obama’s assassination. Curiously, the news media has selective judgment when it comes to what is “outrageous” and what is not. I wonder whether Liz Trotta would have made such statements had she not followed Senator Clinton’s lead just a day or so after Sen. Clinton’s “gaffe” regarding Robert Kennedy, and after Sen. Huckabee’s joke regarding someone taking a shot at Obama. Where is the blanket coverage of Liz Trotta’s remarks as compared to this priest. All three major news outlets made this priest’s remarks a feature in their morning broadcasts. But, pretty much, only in the blogosphere did I find the story regarding Liz Trotta’s remarks. There is such a double standard when it comes to Obama and Clinton. She seems to get “sympathy” and credibility when she cries sexism. Obama cannot DARE to play the race card — even though he’s been called “boy”, referenced in a “tar baby” commentary (both by elected officials). So it appears it is ok for Hillary to be an “angry white woman”, but nooooo way can Obama come off as an “angry black man”. And his every association (let’s not even GO THERE with Hillary…and Bill…) seems to raise some suspicion of wrongness or poor judgment on Obama’s part. I’m truly disgusted with this campaign (Hillary’s dirty tactices) and the media — on the latter, there is no such thing as “fair and balanced”.

Pfleger needs to be kicked out of the priesthood. Nothing less will do. He should have been kicked out for having Farrakhan at the Catholic Church. Farrakhan is a well-known racist and anti-semite. Why would he be invited to the Church? These people are all nuts.
Again, Pfleger needs to be gone from the Catholic Church. I am Catholic who will not give any more of my money or time to the Church until the likes of Pfleger is booted for good. He is disgusting and so is anyone who rationalizes his antics.

When is Hillary going to apologize to Barack and Michelle for her RFK assassination remark?

KS wrote: 8. One needs to wonder why he didn’t vote to go to war…with the info they were given at the time…could it be he doesn’t want to attack a Muslim country???
NO!
The reason is Barack Husein Obama opposed the war to protect his mansion.
Nadhmi Auchi is an Iraqi-born billionaire, protected secret money for Saddam Hussein, and -Auchi also financially backed Saddam Hussein’s plan for a pipeline from Iraq to Saudi Arabia, and Auchi good friend of Tony Rezko, and Auchi loaned money to Rezko (Syrian Born).
When Sadam Hussein was captured, Nadhmi Auchi was charged along with Saddam Hussein for conspiring to assassinate Prime minister (president) Abdul Karim Qasim and stood trial in 1959. (Auchi gave fellow Baath Party members machine guns from his home for Saddam Hussein.)
You Obama supporters, Obama’s house was bought from blood money. Obama couldn’t buy his house without Rezko’s help. Rezko had to borrow the money from Nadhmi Auchi who got rich from the Oil for Food UN debauchery. THIS GUY IS PURE SCUM

To the poster who said Pfleger isn’t racist for calling white people “whitey” because he’s white. Think a little. Pfleger doesn’t think he’s white. He may look it, but inside he thinks he’s black. Listen to the way he’s immitating the Jeremiah White’s speaking style. His distaste for whites speaks volumes.
I wonder how he’d feel if all the parishes in the Archidiocese that keep his afloat decided to withhold their funds.
Maybe then he’d realize that regardless of color people in the Archidiocese care about the poor and infirm around them. Not only is a portion of the donations in every parish in the Archidiocese of Chicago given to the poorer parishes, every parish is also paired up with sister parishes (ours has at least three in the Chicago area as well as parishes in the South and overseas). Every month we dontate food for food pantries, clothing and gifts for young children at Christmas, etc., but now I learn that I’m just evil whitey whose donations aren’t appreciated by someone who knows damn well how much is given.
He choses to ignore that and intentionally turns people against those who are helping only because of their color. That’s racism.

Is Barack Obama still a member of Trinity?

Obama is totally share the wright’s value. He throw his white grandma under the bus, not to mention the general white American.

Obama refers to Wright as his former pastor implying he left him and that Wright didn’t retire.
People on the CNN blogs seem to think delegates can’t change their minds at convention. They also think these delegates are the electoral college. They get all excited about some endorsement and the person isn’t even a Super. And they call these educated voters?
Obama has the black and ultra left left and thats about it. No way can he win the general.
the popular vote doesn’t win the election. Its the electoral. Ask Al Gore. Big states with the most electoral went to Clinton. If FL could vote again she would win it. Red states will not go for OB. or Clinton.
Some people in the early states wouldn’t have voted for OB if they knew then what they know now.

As a Floridian and Democrat, I will not vote for Obama, since he doesn’t think my vote is worth counting. The blue collar, Reagan Democrats will determine the outcome of this election; and they ain’t voting for Obama

Greg In Seattle,
The only people on this site are opinionated democrats and republicans. Moderates and independents don’t have strong views – they blow in the wind and make up their minds late in the game. They’re not going to be visiting a blog at ABC News to post their views because they don’t dig that deep into stories or follow the nits and nats of political news.

Greg, good for you! 4 more years of George Bush is what you and those swing staters want — vote McCain. You’ll get what you are asking for!
This is just stupid! Oh, I forgot, these states represent those ‘hard-working Americans, white Americans’. Those undereducated blue collar Americans. Makes a lotta sense to me…LOL.

I think that the American security level should put in yellow now. Hussein Obama is an threat to our safety.

Any democrat who votes for McCain come November does not share the sentiment of the Democratic party or its ideals. Whether the candidate is Obama or Hilary they share the same hopes and dreams for the future. Stop being racists and learn about Obama before judging him!

Greg In Seattle,
How this affects Obama depends upon who votes. If the la-di-da super rich liberals and pie-in-the-sky college students out vote the hard working middle class tax payers, Obama will win. Midwesterners, hate this kind of racist talk. Walk into any local store and you’ll hear about it.

I voted for Hillary but I’m not a democrat or repulican.I AM A AMERICAN VOTER .If Barack Obama is nominee Iwill support McCain and other dem. will do the same.Superdelegates BEWARE careful with your choice.Besides McCain is no George Bush.

SandyB: Obama has never thrown Wright under the bus, never denounced him, disowned him or etc. He did finally disclaim some of Wright’s COMMENTS after Wright spoke at the Press Club, and said their relationship had “changed” but he never denounced Wright. Obama chooses his words carefully in order to mislead. It works too often. He also said earlier that Wright had “retired”, but a few sentences later said he was “on a sabbatical”. I’m betting the sabbatical is the correct version.
Lightnin’

“The Catholic Church does not endorse political candidates. Consequently, while a priest must speak to political issues that are also moral, he may not endorse candidates nor engage in partisan campaigning.
So…what does Cardinal George say about the GOP Priest who attacked Obama at last evening’s NY State Republican dinner? Can’t have it both ways – hehe

Rev. Wright had been Obama’s preacher for 20 years and a mentor. How can Obama stand for a different change and peace if his ex-pastor is talking such hate. As a person if you went to somewhere and you were not treated well you would not go again. However, Obama attended the same church a for a very long time. This tells me that Obama may share the same value as Rev. Wright.

Let me see… the rich are for Obama, the corporate are for Obama, the anti-Americans are for Obama… who is for Hillary? I AM FOR HILLARY
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Let ME see.
Hillary has taken more money from corporations and lobbyists than ANY OTHER candidate in this campaign.
She and her husband have made MILLIONS personally from their connections to big business.
Her voting record reflects a business over labor mentality.

Thanks Pfleger. This ensures that McCain will get in. The words coming out of Obama’s friends, and anyone associated with him keep giving more fuel to McCain’s presidential aspirations. Those words sound like music to my ears.

Gerry, I’ve never heard this from the pulpit of any church before, either. See my previous post for more thoughts on this. Oh, and by the way, I’ve never heard of a former whitehouse press secretary outing a president before in this manner, either…but **** happens. If the truth fits….

Obama says what he has to say in order to get the nomination, what a lie he is living
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Like covert operations into hostile Bosnian territoies under the threat of sniper fire?
I know what you mean.

I do not think that Obama gets along with his grandmother these days. He did not visit her over Easter. He did not mention her in interviews on Mother’s Day. Something is wrong there. Probably Michelle does not like Mrs. Dunham. If Obama spoke with his grandmother more often, he might not get so confused about his white relatives and their military exploits.

More hate from an Obama mentor? How much more will people tolerate? Obama is exactly like his mentors, yet must pretend otherwise. He will continue to draw criticisim for his beliefs. I’m not buying anymore lies from this man. Of course I never bought into his message in the first place. We can only pray the superdelegates realize the damage his church will cause in the General Election. I will write in Hillary Clinton on my ballot in November. We can not have a racist for President or a racist first lady. Obama continues to divide this country along racial lines. He has set racial relations back a hundred years.

America is ready & willing to vote in a black president. They are just not ready to vote in someone that support racism like Barack Obama.

Not a shocker, I believe there is more of this “nasty baggage” that will follow. BO stinks and so does Mr. Obama’s character. Do not let this man become the leader of the free world, we will ALL have something much more than buyers remorse.

And they [Obama and his gang] still insist that they are not making this race about “rac, while they insist on doing the exact opposite”. The damage and the division that Obama is causing in this country may bring very sour grapes in the future.
Pfleger has offendied me as a catholic, as a democrat and as a human being.
Father Pfleger, your apologies are NOT accepted. Please go see a shrink.

Obama is unelectable.
You’ll see what I mean come november if he wins the nomination.

The catholic church must do something more than be “disappointed” in this racist man. I am embarrased to be a catholic and unless the Cardinal has some stronger words backed by action of defrocking this insulting, idiot, I am going to renounce my membership in the catholic religion. We have had enough of Phlager!

Now we are going to hear Obama fans say, nothing to see here just move along. This friend of Obama is yet another bad judgment call by Obama.
I was a Dem but changed to an Independent and I most likely will stay home in 08.
This is some sick stuff form Obama’s friends.
PS
I’m from Florida and Obama doesnt want my vote anyways.

Lets be real. What that priest said was true, he just said it in bad way. He!He!

OMG! Some jerk with a priest’s collar say something stupid and Mr. Obama is the cause of this? However, the truth of the matter is, this story would not grow legs if it was centiped. Although, I see certain factions are gonna give it the old college try. To them I say have at, soon enough this circus will pull up it’s tents and go home. I leave it to you!

Obama donates money to and supports this hate filled church. Nuff said.

He should have been kicked out for having Farrakhan at the Catholic Church. Farrakhan is a well-known racist and anti-semite. Why would he be invited to the Church?
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Why indeed??? Maybe we can ask Mel Gibson? Or the pope? Maybe they can shed some light on this.

The Catholic Church really needs to dos omething about this as well. First of all priest should stay out of politics. But to top it off when a CATHOLIC PRIEST is supporting a candidate that endorses partial birth abortion, it is a slap in the face. He should not be allowed to be a priest anymore.

How can anybody here with an IQ above 5 support. She lies constantly, makes outrageous comments and says she was “tired” (she told the RFK assasination story 3 times) lies about being shot at, makes racial remarks, initially supported not counting FL and MI and now is indignant they are not counted. She does not have the character to be president.
AND quit blaming Obama for FL and MI, it was the DNC and their own state governments. Saying it is Obama blocking their votes is worthy of a 12 year old.

The tragedy is that readers don’t recognize the dangerous path down which the media is leading us. Guilt by association is the height of yellow journalism. Non-news. McCarthy is alive and well, and it turns the First Amendment against us. Do we want every politician, or every citizen to be judged by statements made by others? Forget religious associations — what about the much more influential views of teachers or PARENTS? I’m sure many of us have close associations with parents who are racist or worse. Should we be condemned for the sins of our fathers? They influenced us, but other factors gave us choices and wisdom to see beyond our differences. The media is encouraging and breeding hate and stone throwing when we all live in glass houses. This will go done in history as among our most shameful of times because we allow this sickness to continue.

The hypocrisy of people is just comical. Rev Wright had nothing to do with this issue and was invited to the White House by President Clinton for his charitable works. I refuse to condemn someone and throw everything they did for THEIR community out the window for over 20 years just because I disagreed with a comment they made and saw a snippet of a sermon done years ago, he may not be speaking for you but he was speaking for some people who came out of the Civil Rights era that were very hardened by their experiences and if you lived through that you same people would be pissed off as well. That was his right to say what was on his mind in thir community, 90% of the people reading this blog don’t care one way or the other about what happens on the South Side of Chicago because it doesnt change or affect their lives, the church members there are not being brainwashed and they are intelligent enough to come up with their own beliefs. This was a WHITE CATHOLIC priest who made this distasteful comment during a guest sermon after another White Priest spoke of UNITY and common interests, so are you going to call him a racist. His words were very poorly chosen for the point he was trying to make, but the underlying part is he was right. HRC, was crying on national television to gain sympathy, because she felt it was too tough for her at the time and she felt victimixed, its politics so get a helmet. Did you ever see Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher crying on television, she wouldnt have given them the satisfaction. Then the next week, after NH feels bad for her and gives her a win, she TURNS into a gun totter, whiskey chugger, ROCK and champion for the so-called BLUE COLLAR WHITE WORKING CLASS, who just happened to fit the part of the country she was campaigning in, and tells Obama, “If he can’t stand the heat get out of the kitchen.” NEVERMIND that there are WHITE BLUE COLLAR WORKING CLASS people all over this country who supported Obama over her. She felt she was entitled to this nomination a year ago and never thought it would be an actual race, she was wrong and she has gotten beat. I don’t feel sorry for the campaign she ran, and neither should anyone else who is practical in thinking. There will be a woman President someday, and it will be a woman who is a lot different than Hillary R. Clinton.
So there will be no Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton White House. Its time for new ideas, new thinking, new blood and new energy.
Obama may not be perfect, but so what none of these candidates are, but he has handled himself with class and dignity despite the long odds and he has come out on top and that is why he is winning and not why she LOST.
Go Obama…

Its going to be tough for Obama to get the large and powerful Catholic vote come November.
No Catholic is going to appreciate this. Obama’s done. Maybe we should all thank Pfleger.

One of the sad facts that has emerged as as a result of Obama’s candidacy is that there are a lot of quasi-racist who don’t even recognize that they are. Every thread reveals posters saying that Rev Wright is a racist, and so by association so is Obama. They also say that Obama “threw his Grandmother under the bus” because he noted her speaking of her fear of black men, perhaps 35 to 40 years ago. Good grief, there are loads of white people who’s pulse will quicken at the sight of approaching black teenage boys today. Are we supposed to pretend that this don’t exist, or that it wasn’t worse in the past? I heard every one of my white Grandparents make racist comments, and I don’t consider it “throwing them under the bus” to tell about it.
The fastest growing segment of our society is the biracial segment. They are emerging in sports, music, the arts and now politics. I like the idea because I’m sure that they grew up loving people of more than one color, one culture. They can bring us together in a way that no representative of one race, or culture, can. Americans should be proud of our diversity; there’s no other place in the world quite like it.

Nice speech javalation. Maybe next Sunday you can go down to TUCC and get them up to speed. Seems like they’re stuck on hate over there.

I would like to know why the whole clip isn’t being shown on MSM? The first part of Pfleger’s performance is about white entitlement and supremacy. To me this is the worst part. “Don’t hold me responsible for what my ancestors did.” At what point are these people going to take responsible for themselves?

IF OBAMA LOSES TO MCCAIN IN NOVEMBER,
HILLARY LIKELY WILL RE-RUN IN 2012 & COULD WIN BIG IMO.
VOTE FOR MCCAIN IN 08′!

If you think for one moment that all these southern baptists churches down here in the south aren’t bellowing from the pulpit the conservative political agenda and support for a presidential candidate, then I have to say you’re sadly mistaken. Go into any church where there is a political discussion and you will here it. But, give them a national platform i.e., the networks, well you all but give them reason to be that much more inflammatory.
I’m curious to know why, since Barack Obama has been in the news since his inspirational speech at the 2002 convention, how is it that these industrious journalist are just now discovering connections to inflammatory preachers.

Axelrod just pulled down the web page on St Sabina’s that had the letter on it showing his name as the chair of a fundraising committee.
He should have astroturfed that site months ago….

Well, I agree that charging someone guilty by association is a dangerous course.
However, it is one that most people enjoy because it gives them a chance to be whipped into a mob by others. Then after they have killed or destroyed someone they can say, “OH, if we had only known!”
Unless we hear vile things or see them from the candidates personally, we cannot convict either one for the actions of anyone they associate with unless they specifically say, “X speaks for me.”
To charge someone guilty by association is to say that a battered wife agrees with the batterer because she stays in a marriage. It is to say that you support pornography because you might live with someone who is addicted to it. It is to say that the family of a serial killer must have done something or gone along with them and agreed.
You can’t hold anyone accountable for the words or actions of another. You can only judge them based on what they say about the situation and how they handle it when it arises. I think that the Senator saying I am disappointed in this man and that I don’t agree with him and that there is no place in my campaign for this, is a pretty clear statement.
I suggest we judge all the candidates on what they say and do and not on what others say and do.

Mack, that is still far different form supporting Bush’s policies. I take Obama at his word, he seems well reasoned and unifying. He is apologizing something a supporter said, whereas Hillary is always havint to explain what she said, i.e. – “I remember dodging sniper fire as we ran to our cars.”

If Hillary wins in 2012, I am moving to Zimbawe.

It is time that the IRS start enforcing the law, Churches cannot engage in political behavior, which includes endorsing a candidate, without having their tax exempt status put at risk. The IRS has NEVER enforced this law with regards to black churches, but let a white church have a similar sermon and watch out! TUCC engages in black racism and Obama should have taken the hint when Oprah left there after only a few months.

The fact that Obama was associated with that church for over twenty years sure does associate him with the possessed rantings of the pastors there.
He’s heard it, and didn’t leave on his own, he didn’t want to dis-associate himself from Rev. Wright until he had to, and then it might be too late.
So Yes, I do believe he is guilty of association.

This isn’t the first time Pfleger has acted inappropriately. He should be fired immediately! And how is it that the IRS hasn’t yet revoked the tax exempt status of Trinity Church when time and time again they have expressly endorsed one candidate over another (which is illegal for those of you that don’t know).

“But it was HILLARY’S own words. SHE said it!
These are not Obama’s word. They belong to someone else. There is a difference.
Quit trying to impose everything anyone says as Obama’s point of view.”
Janet…Obama has no track record at all…he has been a senator for 3 years and 2 of those years have been campaigning. he heads the committee for the afghanistan war and has never had a hearing. He keeps spouting hope and change but that hope and change is a larger government which will not work. He asks us to judge him based on his judgment…but his judgment has been to stay at a hate filled church for the past 20 years and everytime his wife opens her mouth it shows hate and intolerance. I for one am sick of him and he would not make a good president let alone a good senator.

aqua, from what I understand Wright covered a variety of topics in his sermons, often having nothing to do with race. Is it your view that if a minister preaches a controversial sermon that everyone who doesn’t agree with it is obligated to quit going?

For those of you who forgot, or do not know the First Amendment of the US Constitution:
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”
The New McCarthyism today is creating an atmosphere where politicians will never set foot in ANY church, and average citizens should be afraid to congregate and religious leaders will fear speaking out on any worldly issues that matter. Congress need not pass a law abridging our freedoms because the cowardly Mass Media is abridging it for us. These are dark times, my friends…
I am only surprised that Senator Obama, who was a Professor of Constitutional Law, has not reminded us not just of our higher selves.

If I was a candidate running for President, then yes I would be afraid of being seen in or linked to a church that preaches hate. I’m sure there are plenty of good churches in Chicago.

It doesn’t have anything to do with Hillary. Just Obama and his poor judgment.

What do they put in the kool aid at Obama’s weirdo church anyway?
Says a lot about Obama that he is a member there. They are worse than Falwell ever was.

Well I guess this Pfleger will have to be locked in the closet with Wright, Farrakhan, Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton, angry Michelle too. They’ve all been tied up until after November….but too little too late. We “whiteys” know hatred and support of that hatred at Trinity, and WE WILL NEVER VOTE OBAMA!!!!! Some kinda “change” and “unity”….WHERE WAS HIS JUDGEMENT 20 YEARS AGO WHEN CHOOSING A CHURCH? DIDN’T HE KNOW HE WANTED TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT THEN AND THIS WOULD NEVER FLY WITH AMERICANS?

I keep reading on the internet how the Obama campaign is trying to move beyond this issue by dismissing it with words, usually from staffers telling us the story has been addressed and is now behind us. Why is it that some folks, left and right (and I am very, very far to the left), feel that they can dictate when an issue is closed and “we” are “ready for the next question”? The nice thing about living in a country with free speech is you can show your true colors and say what you want, as much as you want. It is not up to the Obama campaign, or anyone else, to decide when it is time for “us” to move on from this issue. I think it is a significant one, so I will think and talk about it whenever and wherever I want. And if I can get a comment posted online, even better. I am always uncomfortable (even in my own leftist circles, especially after a bottle of wine) when someone tries to end a discussion with something brilliantly spoken and then concludes that anyone who dares disagree is either Satan (if you are right wing and the pompous intellect is a right-wing friend), or a clan member (visa versa – left-wing). I was never crazy about the lack of information about Obama, and now I keep seeing associations that make me uncomfortable. I think having an opinion about someone based on the company they keep is valid – especially with politicians who try so hard to cover themselves. You can disagree, of course, but thank goodness I can still choose to take or leave what others have to say based on my own common sense…and oh, yeah…I still get to vote in the end. I could have been for Obama in the end, but this latest “friend” question is the last straw for me, and that WILL be the last question for me if the Obama staffers even care to know (they seem to be acting out a script from a TV show I and a lot of other people are not cast in, so, ummm, have fun ,with that you guys — the rest of us are over here when you get tired of talking). And while I can’t bring myself to vote Republican, I can still vote for Mickey Mouse, at least until a video surfaces with Donald Duck performing a black mass and waving a Confederate flag. Then, I might go ahead and consider the Libertarians.

Defrock Pfleger. He’s a nut and he’s an embarrassment. His acts go directly contrary to what Christ is all about. He diminishes the Catholic Church. If he wants to be a self ordained minister, then that’s about all he is good for. But he is a stain on Catholicism.

Chicago Catholics have long known that Pfleger is more about the politics than he is about the faith.
I don’t care one way or the other who he is for in the election, but if my parish priest ever acted like that I’d find a new parish pdq.

Rev. Pfleger is a disgrace to his church. He is also an example of the type of people who support Obama and attempt to vilify Hillary Clinton. Rev.Pfleger is one of the reasons Hillary must not quit the Presidential primary.

Right on Operation Chaos….. This is the MOST fun I’ve ever had in an election cycle…..
Go RUSH!

So-called activists like Wright and Pfleger used to be referred to as FIFTH COLLUMN or an AGENT in PLACE.With associates like these, how can Obama continue to insult our intelligence with assurances that their views are their own and not shared ?

Phil, I don’t have friends and mentors who make inappropriate remarks. People who do so aren’t on my same wavelength, and I avoid them like the plague.
But nice try with a page from Obama’s book. Remember how he got caught with the racist Rev. Wright and then turned around and gave the rest of us a lecture on race? In other words, “we’re all guilty”. No we’re not and we’ll send that message loud and clear to Obama and his flock in November.

Fr. Pfleger didn’t know what he was saying is what the Democrats are saying. He apologized so let it go! The Priest should not be participating in sermons if he doesn’t know what he is saying. When I viewed the sermon you can see this was not a confused man, he was direct and obnoxious to all white Americans and he really didn’t care. Obama said “he was disappointed” nothing more. Obama keeps company with all of these misfits and they are all coming to the White House with him.

You cannot spend 20 yrs in this type of environment and not feel the same way. Any sensible decent person would have literally sprinted away from this church the first time they heard anything like this. Barack, no doubt, heard this type of thing on a regular basis for 2 full decades. Why deny his inner hate-filled racism?
I’d go as far as to say anyone who attends this church is not only a racist at heart, but more importantly- dangerous. If this man is elected leader of the free world, we are all screwed, and I don’t believe that to be hyperbole.

Barack Obama is a guy formed in the crucible of the hate that is Trinity and, just like Wright, suggests that he wants to end the divisiveness.
I’m not buying it.

What I found distasteful about Rv. Pfleger remarks.
That if a woman is white she is entitled and only black people are oppressed. It all about skin color and not at all about sex.
If that was true there would have been a woman president already.
Qualfied women have run Gerraldine Ferraro was a VP and I remember that in a cold war age it was supposed she couldn’t pull the trigger for a nuke because she was a woman or she would pull the trigger for a nuclear bomb because she had her period. That was 20 years ago.
I agree there has been oppression but skin color is not only oppression that has happened.

Still after 24hours the only portion of the tape that appears on NBC and ABC is just the mocking Hillary part, which a lot of people will agree with, laugh and move on. Rewind the tape to the beginning (watch the whole 3:45 minutes on you tube as now 260,000 have done) and you will see the rant isn’t just about Hillary. To paraphrase the priest: ALL you white people need to give up your entitlements (earned money, 401 plans, even the good jobs you were handed for no reason other than being white) if you ever expect to wash the sin of your ancestors from yourself. You are guilty by association for no other reason than your color.
That is the real message here, and the one that should cause pause.

I thought churches could lost tax exemption if they did things such as what we have seen out of tucc.
just a question,
is there anyone else out there like me
thinking, if obama heard nothing but sermons about the love of god and peace, love for fellowman, etc,
where are thoses sermons?
if this is a church where obama says he
“found christ”- when do they ever talk of him?
i wonder if obama has been back to church?
i am glad the church reprimanded the father.

I can’t hold this to Obama’s charge.
I hope others don’t as well.
TUCC the Santa Clause to the GOP Christmas tree.

“As someone of faith” – real journalistic integrity, Tapper. What an annoying disclosure.

Thank you, america for all. I didn’t know that information about Annie Oakley.
Like you, I’ve also spent my adult life trying to level the playing field. I didn’t expect thanks, but I did expect respect. But apparently that doesn’t matter any more, so long as Obama gets what he wants.

We all have our opinions but the truth is you ARE judged by the company you keep. And the pattern that is emerging is that the company that Senator Obama keeps is extremely unsavory. I’m sure the Democratic Party would like all of these characters to go away and for all of us to forget what we’ve seen and heard. I’m also sure the Republican Party, after the nomination is set in stone, will use this to their full advantage. And so they should. These associations are not only distasteful but extremely dangerous for this country.

HeHeHe, we are witnessing the greatest implosion of the Democratic Party sine 69. The battles between the left wing loons and the moderates in the party are just ripping it apart.
I just love the fact that BO supporters claim voting for McCain will be 4 more years of Bush because of their similar political association, but claim we should just ignore BO’s association with race baiters and America haters. Now that’s what I call talking out of 2 sides of your mouth, what a joke. If half of your friends are drug addicts or pedophiles, I would say it’s a safe bet you’re of the same class or at least condone such behavior.
It’s the moderates and independents that are going to determine the GE, and if BO gets the nod it’s going to be a blood bath in the GOP favor. I for one hope that is the outcome, I’m sick of paying higher taxes for a larger bureaucratic federal government.

It is true that the company you keep says something about you. It is even worse, as someone noted here, that the UCC congregation cheered the priest.
And this idea that anyone who does not support Obama is automatically a racist is absolute nonsense. I’m tired of hearing that from Obama supporters.
It should also be noted that if Catholics followed the church’s doctrines, there would be a heck of a lot more of them – so even though priests might have supported Kennedy, I wouldn’t give that much credence.
As a former UCC member, I’m sorry to say I’m not surprised by anything happening in Trinity UCC. I left because not only were they self-righteous, they were arrogant about it, my favorite example being a minister who announced at communion that “unlike other churches, we welcome anyone who calls himself a Christian.”
The new Trinity minister is every bit as bad as the Rev. Wright.
Is there anyone who is not black that the members of that church will not attack and cheer? If that is not racism, sexism, and ageism, I don’t know what is.

I was raised Catholic and seen priests come and go through out the years, NOT once did I ever hear a sermon so disgraceful or dark politic rhetoric. No wonder women cannot be priests, no wonder a few phedophiles sneak through the religion cracks, abortions, priests cannot marry…Priests too busy butting into primary election campaigns. Pfleger reeks with disappointment; he should be tarred and feathered and flogged. Obama, BIRDS OF A FEATHER FLOCK TOGETHER!

Fed up in Washington,
I asked a simple question I havent insulted you, your nation or your leaders.
“Obama is promising change and failing mightily, just as your newest leader has done.”
Our PM Kevin Rudd is doing a great job he has an aproval raiting of 72% so I fail to see how he is failing ?
I guess what I will take from you is that you dont have an answer for the question. Because I have already seen In the newspapers here that he is not a staff member he is a long time friend and was part of Obama’s spirtual outreach group.
I understand that how and what he said wasnt the best but Hillary did the same thing to Obama with that speech mocking Barack “Celestial Choirs” will sing and so on.. he will wave a magic wound and so on. There is no way Obama would aprove of what this man said besides being wrong it isnt helpful to Obama.
Or do you think Obama put him up to it ?
If you did for what gain?

Since Obama cannot say negative things about Hillary, bho uses his supporters to do it, like rev.wright and father pfleger. And then pretend denounced them……This guy is tricky.

Obama pretend to be a sweet, nice and clean guy. This guy is tricky, he used his supporters to say bad things about his opponents, McCain or Clinton.

It is the job of the Cardinal to keep his ducks in line. One has to wonder how a priest who has been arrested “dozens of times” and who speaks so disgracefully from the pulpit can be allowed to continue. Cardinal Francis George needs a kick in the seat of the pants from the Vatican if necessary to make him do his job and send this guy to his room. Right now I’d have to say that Pfleger is not just an embarassment, but a real turnoff to Christ loving Catholics.

Obama has now resigned from his church. Sadly, it appears that it’s views and feelings were acceptable for so many years, but is tossed aside when it may stand in the way of his rise to power.

Ok I have read all these comments. Most are exactly what I hoped for. I have been reading so many comments from other sections political punch..those have scared me. As most of you I agree. RED FLAGS are a flyin over Obama. Since most of you said the same thing about being around and involved for 20 years and must have the same beliefs.
SO I will move on to this. THere was a nation once, that was stricken with hard times. THe people wanted a change and wanted to believe in something better. As this man spoke he captivated his audiance. The promise of a new life. A new more powerful nation. One that would give hope and make all proud once again. People put faith in this speaker. They wanted to believe in his words of hope. They wanted to feel good about not only themselves but their country. He inspired so many. In time he was their leader. The changes came, people found themselves feeling proud, believing in honor and living with a new sense of pride. With each passing year the changes came. Soon people became not only ignorant, but became arrogant, and the feeling of superior to others overwhelmed them. Lets not forget what this lead to. The death of millions. A nation so evil and brutal to their fellow man that it is unforgivable what took place in their promis of change. It took a world war to end this mans promis of change and hope for a new stronger country. Lets not be blind as the people of this country was. LEts not let our tuff economy, our struggling lives mis lead us into believing a capaign sloggin about change, about hope. Lets really open our eyes and see him for what he really is. A wolf in sheeps clothing.
As far as the priest….I am sorry that the catholic stance was so little. Im ashamed that they allow him to wear uniform of a man of god. God does not judge people by color. Nor does or did he ever teach about hate. I hope that the church will re think its stance on him and removed this man. FOr surly he is a man of god,only a man of racist beliefs. God warned us of pretenders of the cloth.
I hope that more and more people will look at Obama’s friends. Lets look at his raising and his 20 years of faithful service in a church that preaches seperation and hate. Lets remember those who served to protect this country 65 years ago. Lets not allow this country to be ashamed of our future and have to live with regret. We have the power to correct this error in judgement prior to knowing who Obama really is now. Lets send his church and his followers a message that we will not be a bunch of puppets to be lead with fancy speaches.

Be careful who you wish for….. your wish list is getting VERY VERY s m a l l
and the D N C isn’t even democratic!
I will never vote for a man who cannot win even O N E election honestly!!

New Pfleger quote from last Sunday: “America is the greatest sin to God.”
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Black liberation theology: All white people are the oppressors and need to be defeated by any means necessary; America is evil, US govt is evil, capitalism is evil, and the middle class are the enemy. Any God that loves white people should be killed. Israel is to be hated because Jews are really not the “chosen people”–blacks are. The USA is the greatest evil and terrorist state of all. Israel must be gone. Palestine must win. The UK only means imperialism and so does the USA.
–The USA should be “destroyed”–Malcolm X.
–”America needs to be burned down.”–Farrakhan
–”GD America. US of KKK of A”–Pastor Wright
–”America is the greatest sin against God”-Pfleger
–”America is downright mean.”–Michelle Obama
There is obviously a PATTERN of HATE for the USA and Barack Obama should not be anywhere CLOSE to the White House!!!
You throw in Bill Ayers who declared war on America via bombings and terror….
WHY is this being allowed to happen?
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BTW, Rashid Khalidi / Obama connection was on Hannity’s America last night. Khalidi hates Israel and worked for the terrorist organization the Palestinian Liberation Organization and worked for the Palestinian press agency, and he and his wife were spokespeople for Arafat.

I am a life-long Chicagoan, a 50 year old cradle Catholic and father of 5 children. During the last 5 or more years I have been focusing on evangelization and apologetics. I consider myself to be a devout and Orthodox Catholic.
Of all the newspaper articles, web and TV and radio commentaries that I have seen, heard and read, no one has focused on the central issue of Catholic Theology, specifically, the fact that Catholicism teaches that abortion is one of the five non negotiable issues for Catholic voters. Abortion is an intrinsically evil action.
Now the fact that Fr Pfleger, a Catholic priest, endorses a pro-abortion (including partial-birth abortion) candidate is concern in itself. (Also, wasn’t Pfleger a prominent member of “Catholics for Obama”?) By endorsing a pro-abortion candidate Pfleger is de facto endorsing the intrinsically evil act of abortion, and any other evil in which Obama may believe.
In my opinion, Pfleger is not in communion with the Catholic Church!
Why has the Church hierarchy allowed this renegade priest to remain in his role as a priest in the Catholic faith? What has happened to the standards of the Church? What is God thinking about His Church and the leadership here in the Chicago area? Why is the Church allowing this “Cafeteria Catholic Priest” to influence and confuse the flock??? Why hasnt the Church hierarchy denounced and renounced Pfleger’s anti-Catholic beliefs? It is not relevant to argue that Pfleger is allowed to stay in his position as pastor simply because his parishoners like him. What does matter is Fleger’s willingness to conform to the teachings of the Catholic faith, some of which may not be popular in secular society but nonetheless are true. Fr Pfleger’s parishoners are being deceived and misled away from the true teachings of the Catholic faith by the mere fact that Pfleger is actively endorsing a Pro-Abortion candidate. How can he or ANY Catholic vote for Clinton OR Obama? Why is the Church NOT standing up for the truth by stating that NO Catholic is allowed to support any candidate for any political office who endorses abortion??
Is it any mystery why so many Catholics are tepid, cafeteria Catholics? Is it any wonder why so many are leaving the Catholic Church???

Every Catholic needs to email the Archdiocese about Pfleger. I just did, he needs defrocked and excommunicated. The Church’s silence is deafening and they wonder why we don’t attend Mass anymore. The abuse of children and now this.