By Nitya

May 30, 2008 7:55am

Argus Leader: Clinton’s the One

When all is said and done about the most controversial editorial board meeting in recent American political history, the Argus Leader in South Dakota endorsed Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, today, whether or not her invoking of the Bobby Kennedy assassination was inappropriate.

- jpt

User Comments

“Win or lose, she’s also the best Democratic candidate for South Dakota”
YES, SHE IS! Go Hillary!!!

Posted by: Stewie Griffin | May 30, 2008, 8:09 am 8:09 am

Hillary is winning the popular vote and with the that, the nomination.
the popular vote is the ONLY vote that has been cast so far.
the democratic big wigs have no business interfering with the process that the party set in place in the first place. if they do not like fights to go to convention they have a remedy:
change the election process!!
as it stands now, if the superdelegates do not agree with the PEOPLE’s will there is only one way to solve this in a democratic way: convention!
COUNT ALL THE VOTES!
LET DEMOCRACY RUN ITS COURSE!
DEMOCRATS MUST FOLLOW THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE!

Posted by: Average Joe | May 30, 2008, 8:12 am 8:12 am

YES! SOUTH DAKOTA KNOWS, HILLARY CLINTON IS THE STRONGEST CANDIDATE, THE ONE WHO WILL WIN THE WHITE HOUSE IN 2008! GO HILLARY!

Posted by: nurseratchet | May 30, 2008, 8:13 am 8:13 am

If the Obama campaign had read the full statement in context instead of trying to create controversy where there was none, the RFK blurb wouldn’t have become an issue.
The Argus attempted to set the record straight by getting the full statement out, but the damage was done by that point.
They know what she said. And they know who the better candidate is. I’m sure the Obama campaign’s mudslinging on the RFK issue might have influenced their decision.
While Axelrod was telling the Sunday morning news shows that they were moving on, the campaign was sending Oberman’s 10 minute rant to the media. Sounds like politics as usual and change we can’t believe in!

Posted by: HoosierSue | May 30, 2008, 8:13 am 8:13 am

Sad..anyone who could insinuate that their opponent could get assasinated so she must stay im the race is a real piece of work…and HRC IS…I remember the Clinton administration and how she was VERY stubborn and would not compromise on anything.BTW, that is why we do not have natiional health insurance. She wanted it ALL her way. It will be a sad day if she is the nom.

Posted by: newera | May 30, 2008, 8:13 am 8:13 am

Her agrument wasn’t solid or historically correct for that matter. But she didn’t mean anything sordid by it.
I also heard Ricky Martin, the washed-up-has-been-pop-star also endorsed her yestarday. Both endorsements carry the same weight. Zip.

Posted by: jmc663 | May 30, 2008, 8:14 am 8:14 am

Hillary is the right choice.
The more we learn about Obama, the more clear it becomes–he should never be president of this great country.

Posted by: Nancy | May 30, 2008, 8:15 am 8:15 am

There was nothing wrong with what Hillary said this is just the media being in obama backpockets and pushing this stupid story.
When historically her point is factual.

Posted by: toby | May 30, 2008, 8:16 am 8:16 am

This is bad for Obama. One of his strongest assets for months has been his ability to generate rabid support from Red states like South Dakota and turn out Dems for the fall. He starts losing his former strongholds, and it’ll be a mess come November.
http://www.political-buzz.com/

Posted by: matt | May 30, 2008, 8:17 am 8:17 am

in fact, it was the obama campaign who pushed the media to create that morbid connection.. isn’t that something..
within hours media responded by putting pictures connecting obama with bobby – therefore, creating the impression that hillary said something about obama and bobby..utterly FALSE impression.
these are also the same people who have been selling us the war and the bushes for the past 8 years..

Posted by: Average Joe | May 30, 2008, 8:19 am 8:19 am

Too Little, too late,
Obama08

Posted by: Thinking | May 30, 2008, 8:20 am 8:20 am

Republicans voting for Obama in the early primaries and caucases was all about throwing the Democrats into a tizzy. They had no intention of supporting him in November.
I’m convinced that Karl Rove is behind this, but it doesn’t really matter at this point whether or not he was. The Democrats are in meltdown, ready to put forth possibly their worst nominee ever in the history of the party.

Posted by: HoosierSue | May 30, 2008, 8:22 am 8:22 am

Toby,
“There was nothing wrong with what Hillary said this is just the media being in obama backpockets and pushing this stupid story.
When historically her point is factual.”
CAN YU TELL ME ANOTHER TIME ANOTHER CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT HAS BROUGHT UP AN ASSAINATION OF A KENNEDY DURRING A NOMINATION CONTEST ?
IF THERE WAS NOTHING WRONG WITH IT WHY DID SHE APOLOGISE ?

Posted by: Kate | May 30, 2008, 8:25 am 8:25 am

LOL! In a sarcastic voice: How dare they endorse someone who said she was waiting for the black man to be assassinated? How dare they ?! Olbermann is going to blow a fuse.

Posted by: Tony | May 30, 2008, 8:28 am 8:28 am

Yay! Hillary 08!!!
Glad the paper can see behind the smoke and mirrors.

Posted by: Cass | May 30, 2008, 8:29 am 8:29 am

Average Joe,
She not going to the convention.
She is UNELECTABLE. Period.
The Supers KNOW this, but apparently her supporters are willing to ignore this.
————–
you have been watching tooo much tv lately!
the only vote that has been cast to date is the POPULAR vote!
hillary is winning that vote!
the delegates and superdelegates VOTE at the convention.
i am not quite sure what is sooo difficult about understanding that.
amybe the fact that teh media continues to ignore the TRUTH!
like they have been doing before, when they sold us on w. bush – twice!
check out the ELECTORAL votes hillary gets today vs. obama and vs. mccain.
hillary is winning by a BIG margin!!
stop the crap and get to recignizing reality:
hillary is winning the ONLY vote that has been cast to date!

Posted by: Average Joe | May 30, 2008, 8:30 am 8:30 am

hoosiersue,
you are correct,
and the black people have and are supporting obama blindly, just like the oj thing. oj was guilty, but because he was black they had to stay with him
obama is underqualfied, and showing everytime he opens his mouth his lack of understanding of the issues. just what you would expect from someone with so little experience. when obama got to the senate he immediately started planning to run for president.
he cannot take questions off the cuff.
he cannot speak about the issues without a prepared speech.
he cannot think on his feet.
but his supporters think he should just be given the presidency because he is the first viable black man.
in jan black people were saying obama who?
is he black?
if obama had been walking with and working with black people on the national scene we would have known him.
he is an opportunist trying to game everyone.
the far left dems were counting on the black people following blindly, and the far left liberal following along also.
what they did not count on is obama, his church and his far left friends coming onto the national stage in the way they have.
the dems have lost the wh.
and we will all just have to live with
whatever mccain brings.
and the poorest of us (a lot of black people)will be the ones to suffer most.

Posted by: america for all | May 30, 2008, 8:30 am 8:30 am

It’s remarkable that NO previous presidential candidate has used the words assassination on multiple occasions.
When Hillary has done this as early as March, the Clinton campaign blames Obama.
Why are the Clintons ALWAYS claiming to be victims?
Hillary and Bill say the prmary went until June. In Bill’s autobiography, he wrote that the campaign was over in early April. His campaign said it was crazy for the other candidates to remain in the race and the Clinton 1992 campaign was pushing everyone out of the race.
Clintons claim super delegates are trying to push her out of the race. What about the 200 super delegates who announced support for Hillary before a single vote was cast?
It’s hard for Hillary to say she’s winning nationally in some polls. Last fall, Hillary was ahead of Obama in polls by 30%. We now know that she can not catch Obama unless the super delegates decide to over rule the Democratic party by laws.

Posted by: Debbie | May 30, 2008, 8:32 am 8:32 am

america for all and hoosiersue
Can you back up your claims ?

Posted by: Kate | May 30, 2008, 8:37 am 8:37 am

after they helped to put bush in the wh twice.. why do you still keep listening and following the corrupt media!
hillary is winning the ONLY vote that has been cast o date: the popular vote!
the democratic big wigs have NO BUSINESS interefering with the democratic process!
delegates and superdelegates VOTE at the CONVENTION!
STOP THE CRAP!
LET PEOPLE VOTE!
LET DEMOCRACY RUN ITS COURSE!

Posted by: Average Joe | May 30, 2008, 8:37 am 8:37 am

debbie,
obama is underqualified to be POTUS
the dnc bigwigs with the help of the msm
have help sell this guy, and given the election to mccain, all because of their hate for sen. clinton.
they could not run obama as being strong on the issues, so they had to make this a personality contest.
and now he is failing on that.
his camp is suprised that they could not buy one media outlet.
this newspaper should be given the “Profiles in Courage” award for doing the RIGHT thing, in a time when everybody else is jumping on the gravy train and doing all wrong.

Posted by: america for all | May 30, 2008, 8:37 am 8:37 am

What was the motivation of saying what she said?
We have gone different primaries in past years. Not a single candidate ever mentioned it, or thought of it.
Whoever think about it deeply will come with the answer of what was her motivation.
Please stop blaming the media. The media would not had jumped on it, if she could never said it!

Posted by: Peace | May 30, 2008, 8:39 am 8:39 am

I am still waiting to hear from the media about what Obama was doing as a “community organiser”. He says it over and over again. All I do know is that the poor people in his district were left in worse shape than when he began his representation of them in the state of Illinois. That the little kids going to and from school there are now being escorted by the police because of all the gun violence there and that the low income housing funds that were supposed to help people in his district were squandered and the properties have ended up in foreclosure and boarded up. EXACTLY WHAT did he do for those people? Where is his record from the state? What about his mistakingly pushing the wrong buttons in his voting history in the state senate? What were those votes? Finally, all the “present” votes by Obama. Isn’t that what the Republicans did recently regarding the war funding bill that the democrats are critizing them for?

Posted by: glenn mcgahee | May 30, 2008, 8:42 am 8:42 am

Average Joe
Hillary isnt winning the popular vote :
Popular Vote Total
16,685,941 49.1% 16,227,514 47.7% Obama +458,427 +1.4%
Estimate w/IA, NV, ME, WA* 17,020,025 49.1% 16,451,376 47.5% Obama +568,649 +1.6%
Popular Vote (w/FL MICHIGAN)
17,262,155 48.3% 17,098,500 47.8% Obama +163,655 +0.5%
Estimate w/IA, NV, ME, WA* 17,596,239 48.3% 17,322,362 47.6% Obama +273,877 +0.7%
AFTER PR SHE MIGHT BE LEADING IN THE POPULAR VOTE BUT DOES THAT COUNT WHEN THEY CANT VOTE IN THE GE ?

Posted by: Kate | May 30, 2008, 8:43 am 8:43 am

i pointed out to the electoral map becasue you brought up the question of electability. based on the electoral map today, the one who is NOT electable is obama. obama loses to mccain BIG time! while hillary trashes both of them by wide margins!
stop drinking the crap these people put out there on tv..
WE THE PEOPLE will NOT let hillary quit even if she wanted to!
the big wigs cannot push her oput as the media cannot do that. you know why? because WE THE PEOPLE want her to be our next president!
the CONVETNION is the ONLY way to end this race in a democratic way and bring the party together!
if you try to stop the democratic process in the middle of the road – as teh media is pushing you to! – there will be only one conclusion: mccain will win!
because hillary supporters will never accept the anti-democratic practices that the obama folk is pushing!

Posted by: Average Joe | May 30, 2008, 8:44 am 8:44 am

Average Joe,
Bush only got elected because Bill Clinton’s impeachment and scandels turned America off the democratic party.
And Florida…

Posted by: Kate | May 30, 2008, 8:48 am 8:48 am

Peace be upon you Peace,
it is clear, there is still some lack of understand by you on this issues.
there have not been any reason for past candidates to reference this.
if you would go back and watch the video
sen. clinton was referencing time,
with the note on the month of JUNE,
just to help people remember and hopefully say “oh yeah, that was JUNE when that happened”
so her motivation was to get people to stop saying she should drop out, or that completing and letting everyone have a vote was not hurting the dem. process. and it is not.
the only hurt has been how the dem. bigwigs with the help of the media
have tried to hijack this process.
if this were happening and a state like sc or nc was left to vote the people in thoses states would be crying racism,
and trying to say their votes don’t matter to the white man.
the dnc are trying to take this election from the people, and obama supporters are being a party to it.
it sets a bad show, because the next time it will be some other candidate, one that you might want.
let the process play out.

Posted by: america for all | May 30, 2008, 8:49 am 8:49 am

OBAMA THE EARLY YEARS:
Remembering the values of empathy and service that his mother taught him, Barack put law school and corporate life on hold after college and moved to Chicago in 1985, where he became a community organizer with a church-based group seeking to improve living conditions in poor neighborhoods plagued with crime and high unemployment.
The group had some success, but Barack had come to realize that in order to truly improve the lives of people in that community and other communities, it would take not just a change at the local level, but a change in our laws and in our politics.
He went on to earn his law degree from Harvard in 1991, where he became the first African-American president of the Harvard Law Review. Soon after, he returned to Chicago to practice as a civil rights lawyer and teach constitutional law. Finally, his advocacy work led him to run for the Illinois State Senate, where he served for eight years. In 2004, he became the third African American since Reconstruction to be elected to the U.S. Senate.

Posted by: Kate | May 30, 2008, 8:52 am 8:52 am

Average Joe,
Bush only got elected because Bill Clinton’s impeachment and scandels turned America off the democratic party.
And Florida…
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AND FLORIDA – you are right! hillary wins florida while obama loses it!
so how did bush win the second term? it was the MEDIA who pushed him all along as they are pushing obama now!
how come it doesn’tbother you guys that the media is NOT telling the truth about this race? because they favor obama? it SHOULD bother you very very much!
we VOTE in this country and WE THE PEOPLE – and not themedia – are supposed to elect our officials!
hillary is winning the ONLY vote that has been cast o date: the popular vote!
the democratic big wigs have NO BUSINESS interefering with the democratic process!
delegates and superdelegates VOTE at the CONVENTION!
STOP THE CRAP!
LET PEOPLE VOTE!
LET DEMOCRACY RUN ITS COURSE!

Posted by: Average Joe | May 30, 2008, 8:53 am 8:53 am

america for all
Your story would be all good and fine but she said it to Time magazine 4 weeks before that!

Posted by: Kate | May 30, 2008, 8:53 am 8:53 am

so if she said it to time four weeks ago you know why it made such a big deal this time?
axelrod and co. started to make a big deal of it to the paidforbyobama press.
bill burton said, this is an outrage,
they were desperate to try and drive her from the race, and they thought this would do it.

Posted by: america for all | May 30, 2008, 8:56 am 8:56 am

Average Joe,
I am sorry to disappoint you .
I know how we feel, but our candidate is NOT WINNING the popular vote.
This must be corrected because it risks de-legitimizing the Democratic Party Nominee.
We Clinton supporters have been insisting that ALL VOTES should be counted and ALL VOTES MUST BE COUNTED.
Senator Clinton is NOT WINNING the popular vote yet.
IF you include Florida and Michigan and the actual vote estimates in Iowa, Maine and Washington (yes there are actual votes counts instead of Caucus delegate counts), Senator Obama is ahead by almost 60,000 votes.
IF you include Florida and Michigan and DO NOT INCLUDE the actual vote estimates in Iowa, Maine and Washington, Senator Clinton is ahead by almost 150,000 votes.
SO IF YOU COUNT ALL VOTES SENATOR OBAMA IS WINNING THE POPULAR VOTE AS OF NOW.
This could of course change on Sunday and Tuesday..
However let us wait and see. Don’t pop the Champagne yet.

Posted by: Steve_NJ | May 30, 2008, 8:56 am 8:56 am

AVERAGE JOE,
Whos trying to stop them ?
“LET DEMOCRACY RUN ITS COURSE!”
It is and Clintons losing 33-18
He is 43 delegates away from the nomination ! June third its over !
Hillary is winning Fl Obama is winning by more latest elect. collage map Obama is beating McCain by 70 electorial collage points thats a landslide see what Ruppert Murdoch just said yesterday!
Hillary is just destroying the party if she cant be the nominee and people like you are helping her!

Posted by: Kate | May 30, 2008, 9:01 am 9:01 am

Average Joe
How is the media lying about the results ?
43 delegates away from the nomination !

Posted by: Kate | May 30, 2008, 9:05 am 9:05 am

Average Joe
How is the media lying about the results ?
43 delegates away from the nomination !
————–
ooh.. it is so VERY simple but you are sooo very blind!
the media is pulling this FRAUD on you: they equate the democratic process with the republican process. that is simply FRAUD!
the democratic process is designed to end at the CONVENTION! there is no winner takes all like they have it for the republicans!
so to say that obama is 43 delegates short of nomination – BEFORE ONE SINGLE DELEGATE CAST HIS?HER VOTE – is simply: FRAUD!
hillary is winning the ONLY vote that has been cast to date: the popular vote!
the democratic big wigs have NO BUSINESS interefering with the democratic process!
delegates and superdelegates VOTE at the CONVENTION!
STOP THE CRAP!
LET PEOPLE VOTE!
LET DEMOCRACY RUN ITS COURSE!

Posted by: Average Joe | May 30, 2008, 9:09 am 9:09 am

Clinton is the best Candidate for the Democratic party, and the united states.
The majority of the Democratic voters want her. She is the only on who can beat McCain.

Posted by: Sharon | May 30, 2008, 9:12 am 9:12 am

“In a statement, Kennedy Jr. said: “It is clear from the context that Hillary was invoking a familiar political circumstance in order to support her decision to stay in the race through June. I have heard her make this reference before, also citing her husband’s 1992 race, both of which were hard fought through June. I understand how highly charged the atmosphere is, but I think it is a mistake for people to take offense.” ===Obama supporters have been spewing some of the most racist, sexist attacks against Clinton supporters yet Obama or other Obama supporters have remained silent! Fighting for equality and against bigotry means fighting for everyone’s rights, not only when suitable for you Obama supporters! Many of us are voting against Obama because of the harassment from bigoted Obama supporters. We’re voting no to the media bias against Hillary since the start. We’re voting no to sexist, racist treatment of Hillary supporters! We’re voting no to scare tactics by Obama supporters! We’re voting no to threats and insults from Obama supporters! We’re voting no to bullying by Obama supporters! We’re voting no to Obama supporter silence when racist, bigoted remarks fly from other Obama supporters. We’re voting no to this cycle of abuse from Obama supporters!! We’ve had enough of abusive Obama supporters and we’re saying NO! We’re rising up, standing up and VOTING NO TO BIGOTED OBAMA SUPPORTERS!! NO MEANS NO!!!

Posted by: former dem in chicago | May 30, 2008, 9:14 am 9:14 am

He saw the same polls we do Hillary is lossing support every where people see through her !
IF CA COULD VOTE AGAIN THE PREFER OBAMA 51-38
Clintons own state of NY Obama would win 53-41
Thats her own state!
SO does that mean Hillary wins the big states or that NY and CA dont count anymore ??? LOL
Your choice is a dud !
She has to promise statehood to PR because obama was closing the gap in a place that doesnt even vote in the GE
new poll of California voters appears to undercut Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton’s argument that she is the stronger presidential candidate in big states, showing that her long-standing support in the nation’s most populous state has eroded among Democrats – and even women.
The latest Field Poll shows that Illinois Sen. Barack Obama – who lost the Feb. 5 California primary to Clinton by nine points – is now preferred as the party nominee by a landslide 51 to 38 percent among the state’s Democrats, according to a poll taken May 16-27.

Posted by: Kate | May 30, 2008, 9:15 am 9:15 am

ooh.. you pulling another media trick on us again: polls?? you talk polls when you have hard numbers now?
see for yourself:
hillary is winning the ONLY vote that has been cast to date: the popular vote!
the democratic big wigs have NO BUSINESS interefering with the democratic process!
delegates and superdelegates VOTE at the CONVENTION!
STOP THE CRAP!
LET PEOPLE VOTE!
LET DEMOCRACY RUN ITS COURSE!

Posted by: Average Joe | May 30, 2008, 9:22 am 9:22 am

Average Joe,
So was Hillary part of the fruad when she said:
“It doesnt mater how many states he has won both of us have to get to 2025 delegates”-Hillary Clinton
??????????????????????????????????????

Posted by: Kate | May 30, 2008, 9:23 am 9:23 am

Average Joe
You seem confused Im not saying Obama won CA…
Im saying the latest polls show he would win if the election was held now..
she has lost suport and he would kick her but by a land slide…
see for yourself:

Posted by: Kate | May 30, 2008, 9:26 am 9:26 am

You keep saying that the evil media is shoving Obama down your throat. Why? Because he is winning? He has won more states, more pledged delegates, more of the popular vote and more Super Delegates. What exactly should the MEDIA do with this information? Supress it? Deny it? Tell the public that the Second Place candidate is actually ahead?
—
they could tell the TRUTH for a change!
and the truth is: there is NO winner at the end of this round! so the next round of voting is at the CONVENTION!
that is the ONLY truth – everything else is embezzlment..
hillary is winning the ONLY vote that has been cast to date: the popular vote!
the democratic big wigs have NO BUSINESS interefering with the democratic process!
delegates and superdelegates VOTE at the CONVENTION!
STOP THE CRAP!
LET PEOPLE VOTE!
LET DEMOCRACY RUN ITS COURSE!

Posted by: Average Joe | May 30, 2008, 9:26 am 9:26 am

“Tell me your friends, I can tell who you are”
Wright/Pfleger/Farhakan/Ayers/Michelle/………
God Bless America

Posted by: Tony | May 30, 2008, 9:30 am 9:30 am

so why exactly are you using poll numbers when we have real VOTES?
it’s the oldest media trick in the book..
just stop the crap!
–
hillary is winning the ONLY vote that has been cast to date: the popular vote!
the democratic big wigs have NO BUSINESS interefering with the democratic process!
delegates and superdelegates VOTE at the CONVENTION!
STOP THE CRAP!
LET PEOPLE VOTE!
LET DEMOCRACY RUN ITS COURSE!

Posted by: Average Joe | May 30, 2008, 9:30 am 9:30 am

There you have it. The newspaper that did the interview endorses her. They would not do so if they thought there was one iota of truth to the outrageous interpretation of her remarks. Time after time, when editorial boards sit down with Clinton and Obama, they are overwhelmingly impressed by her. Time after time, when Obama and Clinton met in debates, Clinton swept the floor with him. People would do well to remember how Bush’s poor performance in debates and substantive interviews was overlooked or explained away!! Choosing leadership not up to the task does place our nation at peril as we can see.

Posted by: hopesprings52 | May 30, 2008, 9:30 am 9:30 am

No she is not and to say that it a LIE and you KNOW it!
And AGAIN, pop vote DOES NOT get you the Nomination, so even if she was, what is your point?
– yes she is.
read the front page of this publication:
hillary: 17,410,209
obama: 17,234,194
my point is really very simple.
the POPULAR VOTE IS THE ONLY VOTE that has been cast to date.
and hillary is winning it.
the next round is at the CONVENTION where the delegates will VOTE.
hillary is winning the ONLY vote that has been cast to date: the popular vote!
the democratic big wigs have NO BUSINESS interefering with the democratic process!
delegates and superdelegates VOTE at the CONVENTION!
STOP THE CRAP!
LET PEOPLE VOTE!
LET DEMOCRACY RUN ITS COURSE!

Posted by: Average Joe | May 30, 2008, 9:34 am 9:34 am

Average Joe
“hillary is winning the ONLY vote that has been cast to date: the popular vote”
Thats damn rude of you there has been a ton of votes cast to date and hillary has lost them 33-18
She does NOT lead in the popular vote.. However she may after PR and they dont get to vote in the GE so there is a question regarding wether that counts ???
PLEASE FIGHT WITH TRUTH!!!

Posted by: Kate | May 30, 2008, 9:34 am 9:34 am

REAL CLEAR POLITICS:
Popular Vote Total
16,685,941 49.1% 16,227,514 47.7% Obama +458,427 +1.4%
Estimate w/IA, NV, ME, WA* 17,020,025 49.1% 16,451,376 47.5% Obama +568,649 +1.6%
Popular Vote (w/FL MICHIGAN)
17,262,155 48.3% 17,098,500 47.8% Obama +163,655 +0.5%
Estimate w/IA, NV, ME, WA* 17,596,239 48.3% 17,322,362 47.6% Obama +273,877 +0.7%

Posted by: Kate | May 30, 2008, 9:37 am 9:37 am

– yes she is.
read the front page of this publication:
hillary: 17,410,209
obama: 17,234,194
my point is really very simple.
the POPULAR VOTE IS THE ONLY VOTE that has been cast to date.
and hillary is winning it.
the next round is at the CONVENTION where the delegates will VOTE.
hillary is winning the ONLY vote that has been cast to date: the popular vote!
the democratic big wigs have NO BUSINESS interefering with the democratic process!
delegates and superdelegates VOTE at the CONVENTION!
STOP THE CRAP!
LET PEOPLE VOTE!
LET DEMOCRACY RUN ITS COURSE!

Posted by: Average Joe | May 30, 2008, 9:37 am 9:37 am

Kate,
You realize the “poll” was 914 people; not exactly a representative sampling considering the number of people in CA.

Posted by: unstoppable 08 | May 30, 2008, 9:41 am 9:41 am

Obama has the mathematical advantage at this point in time but he got there BEFORE the “truth” about his character was revealed…notice his HUGE losses in states where he will need to have their support come the November Election. Obama doesn’t seem to care. He has stated they will vote for him anyway on Election Day. He is delusional. Americans are not as dumb as Obama thinks. This is his first “grave” mistake.
Obama is chained to his church and their beliefs that he can only say “I disapprove of the recent statements” that the Catholic Priest gave at his church on Sunday. The Priest not only made offensive comments to Hillary Clinton, but to all white people in the US especially the working class that supports this country. OBAMA believes in his church’s philosophy of “black supremacy” or he would have left the church a long time ago. This is his second serious mistake.
Now you have to really ask yourself how did Obama make it this far? The answer is simply he has a lot of support from people in the wrong places (Rezko, an Iraqi billionaire, black theology supporters, and a great deal of money given to superdelegates over the years and now they want repayment). A conspiracy plan put into effect after September 11, 2001, and we thought that the terrorists had left our country alone all these years!

Posted by: Anne | May 30, 2008, 9:43 am 9:43 am

HoosierSue~ first of all the same could be said about Hillary, she has done next to nothing for this campaign exept to stir up trouble and keep her lying, mud slinging campaign alive…
Hillary has been to deceitful to become president, and the american people see this and this is why she is LOSING, Bill should have stayed home and baked cookies instead of coming out and doing what Bill does best Lying and Whining…
Hillary and Bill are a discrace to our country and we the majority are no longer willing to believe in the Clintons, Hillary and Bill…. GO HOME!!

Posted by: Lilcntrydarling | May 30, 2008, 9:45 am 9:45 am

“Tell me your friends, I can tell who you are”
Wright/Pfleger/Farhakan/Ayers/Michelle/
WRIGHT:
Wright counseld Hillary and Bill durring there maraige criss.
PFLEGER:
Father of the Catholic church was a friend of MLK and RFK. Once said something that wasnt helpful but said sorry!
FARAHAKAN:
Marched with Bill Clinton in the million man march.
AYERS:
A member of the wether underground found not guilty by a court.
Other Members of the Weather Underground,Linda Sue Evans and Susan Rosenberg were pardoned. Weather Underground members, they were imprisoned on weapons and explosives charges Pardoned by Bil and Hillary Clinton.
Michelle a lovely lady class act !

Posted by: Kate | May 30, 2008, 9:46 am 9:46 am

To: America for all
We can argue until Bush is out of the Office.
Nevertheless, thanks for your explanation. Well received as I should stick on the meaning of my name: Peace!

Posted by: Peace | May 30, 2008, 9:48 am 9:48 am

Average Joe,
ABC IS CONFUSED BECAUSE EVEN LANNY DAVIS SAID ON CNN LAST NIGHT THAT AFTER PR THEy EXPECT TO THEN BE THE LEADERS IN THE POPULAR VOTE!
OR IS HE LYING TOO ?

Posted by: Kate | May 30, 2008, 9:48 am 9:48 am

unstoppable 08,
The polls in PR have a sample size of 100 ???
All the polls in PA had a sample size of 400-480 ???
So whats the point ?

Posted by: Kate | May 30, 2008, 9:52 am 9:52 am

Average Joe,
ABC IS CONFUSED BECAUSE EVEN LANNY DAVIS SAID ON CNN LAST NIGHT THAT AFTER PR THEy EXPECT TO THEN BE THE LEADERS IN THE POPULAR VOTE!
OR IS HE LYING TOO ?
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no. he was implying that hillary will be the winner of the popular vote because montana and SD will not have sufficient votes to challenge that.
read the front page of this publication:
hillary: 17,410,209
obama: 17,234,194
my point is really very simple.
the POPULAR VOTE IS THE ONLY VOTE that has been cast to date.
and hillary is winning it.
the next round is at the CONVENTION where the delegates will VOTE.
hillary is winning the ONLY vote that has been cast to date: the popular vote!
the democratic big wigs have NO BUSINESS interefering with the democratic process!
delegates and superdelegates VOTE at the CONVENTION!
STOP THE CRAP!
LET PEOPLE VOTE!
LET DEMOCRACY RUN ITS COURSE!

Posted by: Average Joe | May 30, 2008, 9:56 am 9:56 am

Kate
how much Obama team pays you per hour to blog.
I can give explanation too.
FARAHAKAN: Bill Clinton never walked with him on million man march
WRIGHT: He was one among 600 invited for a breakfast prayer
PFLEGER: It is not about saying sorry. Question is did you watch the people jumping and dancing. Is this a church or temple of hatred
AYERS: FBI made some error. He was free because of Technical error FBI made.
Michelle: She went to best schools in USA and Government spent hell lot of money and she is making $300,000 Year but still she says “For the first time in my adult life, I am pround of America.”
Damn, I came from India, India spent lot of money for my education and I am pround of this Country. God Bless America
May be I can teach American history

Posted by: Tony | May 30, 2008, 9:58 am 9:58 am

I believe in Hillary.

Posted by: andrea | May 30, 2008, 10:13 am 10:13 am

TONY, SO CAN I,
FARAHAKAN: Bill Clinton never walked with him on million man march…
so the other MILLION are all radicals as well according to you? And Obama is connected to all MILLION then as well.
WRIGHT: He was one among 600 invited for a breakfast prayer…Clintons are guilty by association right? That’s what you’ve been saying for months.
PFLEGER: It is not about saying sorry. Question is did you watch the people jumping and dancing. Is this a church or temple of hatred…YES, jumping and dancing are terrible things! How dare they express emotion in CHURCH! Get a life. Not everyone is a sedated Methodist suburbanite.
AYERS: FBI made some error. He was free because of Technical error FBI made…Bill Clinton pardoned two of the Weather Underground his last day in office – guess he REALLY supports terrorists. Obama worked with Ayers on a CHARITY board. That’s just shameful isn’t it?
Michelle: She went to best schools in USA and Government spent hell lot of money and she is making $300,000 Year but still she says “For the first time in my adult life, I am pround of America.” ….another sentence used out of context to try and pin a label on an Obama and his wife. A common Hillary campaign tactic based in negativity and half-truths. It’s a shame they’re both so damn samrt isn’t it? God, I’d hate to have smart people in the White House.

Posted by: David HUSSEIN Alexander | May 30, 2008, 10:13 am 10:13 am

Rev. Pfleger preached to his congregation recently “We can recover!” “We can recover” and Obama echoes
“Yes we can”. “Yes we can”.
Along with Rev. Wright, Rev. Pfleger is also a CLOSE friend of Obama. Obama padded the state budget with earmarks grants of $225,000.00 to the Church of St. Sabina and to Rev. Pfleger.
Obama’s relationships to Rev. Wright, Rev. Pfleger, Farrakhan and others certainly sends a loud message that there will be changes in America, just not want you think they might be.

Posted by: Anne | May 30, 2008, 10:14 am 10:14 am

T – 43 and Counting…….

Posted by: Anita Yova | May 30, 2008, 10:15 am 10:15 am

Posted by: Average Joe | May 30, 2008, 10:17 am 10:17 am

The Des Moines Register endorsed Hillary before the Iowa Caucus and she finished third. The largest paper in Kentucky endorsed Obama and we know what happened in Kentucky. I can’t claim infallibility but I believe Obama will win South Dakota with the support of its Congressional delegation and Senator McGovern and a look at what happened in all the states that surround it that have already decided for Obama–Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota and North Dakota.

Posted by: bhciapol | May 30, 2008, 10:18 am 10:18 am

Average Joe doesn’t think that four states should count? That voters in Michigan should count? Then whines about “every vote should count”?
Yep, that’s a Clinton supporter all right. Hypocrasy at it’s finest.
“I am going to campaign hard through February. As you know, it’s the DELEGATES who chose our nominee. I expect to have the majority of pledged DELEGATES by the end of the races in February.”
- Hillary Clinton Dec ’07

Posted by: David HUSSEIN Alexander | May 30, 2008, 10:18 am 10:18 am

I guess the assassination remark put her over the top.

Posted by: Mr. Coffee | May 30, 2008, 10:19 am 10:19 am

COUNT ALL THE VOTES!
LET DEMOCRACY RUN ITS COURSE!
—————-
Just don’t count any votes that aren’t for Hillary right Joe?

Posted by: David HUSSEIN Alexander | May 30, 2008, 10:20 am 10:20 am

Average Joe doesn’t think that four states should count? That voters in Michigan should count? Then whines about “every vote should count”?
Yep, that’s a Clinton supporter all right. Hypocrasy at it’s finest.
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and that is an obama supporter all right.. refusing to TELL THE TRUTH!
let me remind you what i’ve said:
obama did get 0 ZERO votes in MI. it was his choice to remove his name from the ballot – remember!
if states do not release the popular vote numbers, it’s their choice too!
you go convinve them to do it if you want. but they might just surprise you!
for your info, AP came up with estimates for those states and surprise surprise, hillary is still leading the popular vote.
ABC NEws is the ONLY media outlet that has ‘tried’ to report what is going on in this election and not just pump and dump the obama folk..
read the front page of this publication:
hillary: 17,410,209
obama: 17,234,194
my point is really very simple.
the POPULAR VOTE IS THE ONLY VOTE that has been cast to date.
and hillary is winning it.
the next round is at the CONVENTION where the delegates will VOTE.
hillary is winning the ONLY vote that has been cast to date: the popular vote!
the democratic big wigs have NO BUSINESS interefering with the democratic process!
delegates and superdelegates VOTE at the CONVENTION!
STOP THE CRAP!
LET PEOPLE VOTE!
LET DEMOCRACY RUN ITS COURSE!

Posted by: Average Joe | May 30, 2008, 10:20 am 10:20 am

Not all the votes they knew this would happen WOW break the rules and they cry foul>>>>>>>Send a great message to the youth of this country,,,,The popular vote does not count so she can say she has it but she don’t the figures are NOT true….Giving her all of MI is not right Obama was not on the ballot geeeeze you follow the rules and now WHAT????Just because the witch didn’t follow through with her part of this ,she signed this agreement too now the bag wants to change rules ,,,,Wait how can she do this is she God did some one die and leave her in charge????Did I miss something??????

Posted by: NH voter | May 30, 2008, 10:21 am 10:21 am

not TURE!
there was NO rule that required obama to remove his name from the MI ballot.
it was obama’s choice!!
let us be honest here for a change:
obama and edwards decided to gang up on hillary in MI. they thought that by bunching together their votes they will defeat hillary. it didn’t work!
in fact, it was not the first time obama tried dirty tricks with the election process. he did that time and time again in chicago to eliminate his opponents before they even had a chance to compete with him!
Hillary is winning the popular vote and with the that, the nomination.
the popular vote is the ONLY vote that has been cast so far.
the democratic big wigs have no business interfering with the process that the party set in place in the first place. if they do not like fights to go to convention they have a remedy:
change the election process!!
as it stands now, if the superdelegates do not agree with the PEOPLE’s will there is only one way to solve this in a democratic way: convention!
COUNT ALL THE VOTES!
LET DEMOCRACY RUN ITS COURSE!
DEMOCRATS MUST FOLLOW THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE!

Posted by: Average Joe | May 30, 2008, 10:25 am 10:25 am

Is that all that surprising?

Posted by: Genna | May 30, 2008, 10:42 am 10:42 am

After reading from various sources and from bloggers, I understand that the Primary system of the Democratic Party is conceived this way :
-There are the popular votes that express the will of voters to choose a candidate as their preferred one to run in the General Election.
-There are the delegates who signal by their supports and endorsements of a candidate that they prefer such or such candidate.
- There are the superdelegates who remain in the uncommitted sphere, at least during the process of the primary contests, and since they are supposed to be wise they have to keep some distance and observe, so they are able to commit themselves with their votes in case of a primary election that is problematic, like this one in which neither has reached the number of delegates necessary to be declared as the official nominee.
So in that case they are the ones who decide.
However the issue at hand is this:
- HC and her campaign have been blamed for not paying attention to the caucuses and instead put all her efforts in big states, swing states etc…
As a result of her campaign strategy,when she wins a big state, her gain margin of votes is proportionally higher, for instance 100,000 in Texas; compared to BO winning in Idaho with a margin of 13000 votes.
- However the system of delegates allocation in the Democratic Party seems to allow the support of partisans and militants to take over and minimize the importance of the popular votes.
For instance, for her victory in Texas, she gains 65 delegates while BO got 61.
On top of that, “on election night, according to the Texas Democratic Party, nearly 1 million Democrats-many of whom had already voted in the day’s primary- gathered in party caucuses. How many came out on either side, but more came out for Obama than for Clinton. For that Obama was awarded 38 delegates to Clinton’s 29.”(Byron York’s article).
So “Obama left Texas with 99 delegates to Clinton’s 94 – even though Clinton handily won the contest in which votes were actually counted.”
In the case of Idaho, for a margin of 13000 votes, BO got 15 delegates to 3 for Clinton.
-With that kind of system, the popular votes lose their weight to the expression of partisanship. Obviously, within the party there is a strong push towards BO as the nominee.
So everything would have worked fine following their scheme, except that everytime the popular votes upset the plan. HC campaign has survived thanks to the support of the popular votes in big and important states. So that the effort of Dean and the BO campaign to push her out is defeated every time.
-Now HC claims that she has the support of popular votes and don’t want to be pushed out as she wants to prove that she can win in the General Election.
With the coming elections, if she wins big, indeed she has reasons to make her case to the convention and asks the uncommitted superdelegates to decide.
I believe that at that time it will be the re-voting of the delegates with the superdelegates having then their say.
We have been through arguments from both sides :that she has lost because she did’nt grant importance to caucuses. From the side of her campaign, the argument is that the support of the popular votes in big states is going to matter in the General Election.
To this stage, BO supporters want her to bow out, and her supporters want her to go on and to the convention.
She sent a letter to the Superdelegates a couple of days ago. The letter is published in Realclear politics.
Many people want to know what is going on. I hope I have contributed in clarifying a number of things, which I have learnt by reading articles and blogs including this one.

Posted by: jane | May 30, 2008, 10:42 am 10:42 am

Biden, Edwards, Obama and Richardson took “participate” at face value. So they took their names off so they would not “partcipate” in the MI Primary.
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that is just not ‘logical’. on the one hand you say that obama followed the ‘rules’, then you turn around and say that they took their names off the ballot.. it just doesn’t make sense..
there was NO rule that obama followed when he decided to take his name off the ballot. that is just BS.
truth is totally different – you just don’t want to accept it since you are an obama blind folk:
there was NO rule that required obama to remove his name from the MI ballot.
it was obama’s CHOICE!!
obama’s CHOICE!!
obama’s CHOICE!!
obama’s CHOICE!!
get it? obama’s CHOICE!! for pete’s sake. this is America and he can do whatever he wants to do!
let us be honest here for a change:
obama and edwards decided to gang up on hillary in MI. they thought that by bunching together their votes they will defeat hillary. it didn’t work!
hillary beat them up, all of them put together!
in fact, it was not the first time obama tried dirty tricks with the election process. he did that time and time again in chicago to eliminate his opponents before they even had a chance to compete with him!
Hillary is winning the popular vote and with the that, the nomination.
the popular vote is the ONLY vote that has been cast so far.
the democratic big wigs have no business interfering with the process that the party set in place in the first place. if they do not like fights to go to convention they have a remedy:
change the election process!!
as it stands now, if the superdelegates do not agree with the PEOPLE’s will there is only one way to solve this in a democratic way: convention!
COUNT ALL THE VOTES!
LET DEMOCRACY RUN ITS COURSE!
DEMOCRATS MUST FOLLOW THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE!

Posted by: Average Joe | May 30, 2008, 10:56 am 10:56 am

Average Joe,
The AGREEMENT became the RULES once all the parties signed them, GOT IT?
It’s really not that hard, except that it pokes holes in your whole “Obama’s choice, zero vote” argument.
—
well, that is simply BS.
obama not only decided to remove his name from the ballot.
he also hired lawyers to FIGHT against an election in MI!
if there was any ‘agreement’ that you say, i can guarantee you that there was NO agreement that said that the democrats should DENY MI voters their constitutional right to VOTE!
obama had ALL the opportunities in the worlds to have his name on a ballot in MI.
he just did not want it! he did not want ANY votes from MI.
Hillary is winning the popular vote and with the that, the nomination.
the popular vote is the ONLY vote that has been cast so far.
the democratic big wigs have no business interfering with the process that the party set in place in the first place. if they do not like fights to go to convention they have a remedy:
change the election process!!
as it stands now, if the superdelegates do not agree with the PEOPLE’s will there is only one way to solve this in a democratic way: convention!
COUNT ALL THE VOTES!
LET DEMOCRACY RUN ITS COURSE!
DEMOCRATS MUST FOLLOW THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE!

Posted by: Average Joe | May 30, 2008, 11:23 am 11:23 am

My only question is, why obama removed his name from MI and not in FL. If he had removed his name from both states then he has an argument. Keeping his name on one and not the other, seems to be some far reaching plan… a stretegy. And hence the votes should be counted as they were cast. He volunteered to remove his name, so he should be removed from counting. He advertised in Florida, through national tv ads, which is violation of agreement. And he should be disqualified from the race itself. that’s the rule…

Posted by: Namrep | May 30, 2008, 11:36 am 11:36 am

The Obama supporters who keep bringing up the Kennedy death are desperate. Senator Clinton was using it as a reference to time, nothing more. But we have man who believes there are 57 states and can see fallen heroes in his audience. He has insulted and belittled 2/3 of Americans. He is a Socialist/Marxist. He is a dud.
COUNT ALL THE VOTES.

Posted by: Mary | May 30, 2008, 11:36 am 11:36 am

Senator Obama’s name was on the Michigan ballot and it stayed there until the polls indicated he was at least 20 points behind Senator Clinton. He removed his name. He is a dud.
COUNT ALL THE VOTES—COUNT ALL THE BALLOTS—COUNT ALL THE STATES
Senator Obama is not a democrat. He is a socialist/Marxist. So far left, his politics are in the gutter.

Posted by: Martin | May 30, 2008, 11:44 am 11:44 am

Ok The Agreement was by the DNC to sanction MI for moving ahead the Primary. The sanction stated MI would lose ALL it delegates and the votes would not count. ALL the candidates signed it.
By the time Obama et al found out what Clinton was up to, it was too late to get their names back on the ballot.
–
so why did obama fight AGAINST the re-voet in MI?
let’s summarize this here for a moment:
1. obama makes a CHOICE to remove his name from the MI ballot, deying MI their constitutional right to VOTE (the so called ‘agreement’ did NOT require him to remove his name fromt he ballot. making that argument is just ridiculous!)
2. when given the chance, obama faught against and not for allowing MI their constitutional to VOTE.
in all, obama didn NOT want ANY MI votes – that is more than clear here.
i am just not sure why you obama kids such anti-democratic efforts that obama clearly pushed.
and it was not the first time he did that. he made a habit of denying people their right to vote for the best candidate!
in fact, it was not the first time obama tried dirty tricks with the election process. he did that time and time again in chicago to eliminate his opponents before they even had a chance to compete with him!
Hillary is winning the popular vote and with the that, the nomination.
the popular vote is the ONLY vote that has been cast so far.
the democratic big wigs have no business interfering with the process that the party set in place in the first place. if they do not like fights to go to convention they have a remedy:
change the election process!!
as it stands now, if the superdelegates do not agree with the PEOPLE’s will there is only one way to solve this in a democratic way: convention!
COUNT ALL THE VOTES!
LET DEMOCRACY RUN ITS COURSE!
DEMOCRATS MUST FOLLOW THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE!

Posted by: Average Joe | May 30, 2008, 11:47 am 11:47 am

Would someone please show me Senator Hillary Clinton’s signature on a legal document stating she went along with the notion that the votes in MI and FL would not be counted. SHOW ME SENATOR HILLARY CLINTON’S SIGNATURE ON SAID DOCUMENT.

Posted by: Mary | May 30, 2008, 11:49 am 11:49 am

jmc663
my question still stays, why his name was there in florida in first place. Obama is a person who plays by the rules, as he says, then he should have waited.
Also if there are two states where you can not campaign – then you can not give out national ads. Its a lame excuse to say he can not control – he should know the rules – and avoided giving national ads before florida went to vote. But Florida was in his calculation – and hence by design he chose to give national ads. No leader gives national ads during primaries – they concentrate on the state they are fighting. There was no other way to reach the people of Florida, hence he used the Money advantage he had… A loophole – at best. Same dirty politics – that he says he is immune to.

Posted by: Namrep | May 30, 2008, 11:52 am 11:52 am

AWESOME! Go, Hillary!

Posted by: Vickie | May 30, 2008, 12:12 pm 12:12 pm

Ok joe,
TOMORROW the DNC will Give HRC 69, Obama 58, cut in half the MI delegates or seat all with a half a vote each.
FL will have some similar equation.
What will you have to shout about then?
——————
if obama gets one single MI delegate it will be the END OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY!
it will be a slap in the face for everything the democratic party stands for.
how can anyone award someone who went to great lengths to stop the most fundemantal right of our democracy: the VOTE?
obama did not get ANY votes in MI!!
not one single vote – how can he get ANY delegates?
out of thin air?
and yes, i will continue to say: CONVENTION!!
LET PEOPLE VOTE!
Hillary is winning the popular vote and with the that, the nomination.
the popular vote is the ONLY vote that has been cast so far.
the democratic big wigs have no business interfering with the process that the party set in place in the first place. if they do not like fights to go to convention they have a remedy:
change the election process!!
as it stands now, if the superdelegates do not agree with the PEOPLE’s will there is only one way to solve this in a democratic way: convention!
COUNT ALL THE VOTES!
LET DEMOCRACY RUN ITS COURSE!
DEMOCRATS MUST FOLLOW THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE!

Posted by: Average Joe | May 30, 2008, 12:28 pm 12:28 pm

Tell me your friends, I can tell who you are”
Wright/Pfleger/Farhakan/Ayers/Michelle/
WRIGHT:
Wright counseld Hillary and Bill durring there maraige criss.
PFLEGER:
Father of the Catholic church was a friend of MLK and RFK. Once said something that wasnt helpful but said sorry!
FARAHAKAN:
Marched with Bill Clinton in the million man march.
AYERS:
A member of the wether underground found not guilty by a court.
Other Members of the Weather Underground,Linda Sue Evans and Susan Rosenberg were pardoned. Weather Underground members, they were imprisoned on weapons and explosives charges Pardoned by Bil and Hillary Clinton.
Michelle a lovely lady class act !

Posted by: Kate | May 30, 2008, 1:35 pm 1:35 pm

AINT GONNA HAPPEN!!
Yes, they could vote, no, they wont count per the SANCTIONS. I know those pesky rules keep getting in the way.
Meet me here tomorrow, I’ll pat you on the back and make you feel better.
THe DNC has said in NO UNCERTAIN terms that it will NOT be as voted, PER THE SANCTIONS.
To believe it will be decided otherwise is pure fantasy.
—
what ‘sanctions’ are those? coming from the obama camp?
they have NO RIGHT to ask for sanctions as long as obama was the only one who opposed the re-votes.
you obama folk never ceize to amaze me, you keep saying this stupid thing you will start believing it:
“it will NOT be as voted”?
we are way past the point where the sanctions argument had effect. that doesn’t fly after hillary and the DNC said they were for a re-vote and obama against it.
obama basically, lost his right to the ‘sanction’ argument with that.
read something on what makes contracts legal in this country and you will find out.
trust me on this one:
if the DNC awards ANY delegate from MI to obama tomorrow, we WILL hit the streets.
FLORIDA 2000 NO MORE!
Hillary is winning the popular vote and with the that, the nomination.
the popular vote is the ONLY vote that has been cast so far.
the democratic big wigs have no business interfering with the process that the party set in place in the first place. if they do not like fights to go to convention they have a remedy:
change the election process!!
as it stands now, if the superdelegates do not agree with the PEOPLE’s will there is only one way to solve this in a democratic way: convention!
COUNT ALL THE VOTES!
LET DEMOCRACY RUN ITS COURSE!
DEMOCRATS MUST FOLLOW THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE!

Posted by: Average Joe | May 30, 2008, 2:00 pm 2:00 pm

here is what time says:
..If the panel were to grant Clinton’s wish, she would get 105 of Florida’s 185 delegates as the top prize for winning the state’s January 29 primary with 50% of the vote; Obama would get 67, and former North Carolina Senator John Edwards, who has since dropped out of the race and endorsed Obama, would get 13. As for Michigan, where neither Obama nor Edwards was on the ballot when Clinton won 55% of the vote, she would claim 73 of the state’s delegates, with the rest of the delegation, reflecting the 40% that voted “uncommitted,” free to pick their own candidate. This scenario would put Clinton within striking distance of Obama, with 1,677 pledged delegates to his 1,716, and also bolster her argument to superdelegates that she is the voters’ first choice, since Clinton would overtake Obama in the popular vote if the two states’ votes were counted in full.
–
so let’s see how this is supposed to work:
edwards boy ‘gives’ to oabama boy his delegates..
DNC committee ‘gives’ to obama boy some delegates.
heck, the boy doesn’t have enough so why not..
from what i hear, nancy & harry want to ‘give’ some too..
and all along,
PEOPLE VOTE for hillary!!
DOES THE VOTE MATTER IN THIS COUNTRY ANYMORE?
If the panel were to grant Clinton’s wish, she would get 105 of Florida’s 185 delegates as the top prize for winning the state’s January 29 primary with 50% of the vote; Obama would get 67, and former North Carolina Senator John Edwards, who has since dropped out of the race and endorsed Obama, would get 13. As for Michigan, where neither Obama nor Edwards was on the ballot when Clinton won 55% of the vote, she would claim 73 of the state’s delegates, with the rest of the delegation, reflecting the 40% that voted “uncommitted,” free to pick their own candidate. This scenario would put Clinton within striking distance of Obama, with 1,677 pledged delegates to his 1,716, and also bolster her argument to superdelegates that she is the voters’ first choice, since Clinton would overtake Obama in the popular vote if the two states’ votes were counted in full.

Posted by: Average Joe | May 30, 2008, 2:14 pm 2:14 pm

TO:jmc663 | May 30, 2008 1:48:35 PM:
How come only Florida and Michigan were
treated like children while the other three (3) states were permitted to go on with their elections?
What the hell has happened to the Democratic party to come up with such un-democratic rules?
HEY EVERYBODY.
HILLARY IS STILL RUNNING.
I’M VOTING FOR HILLARY!!!

Posted by: questioner | May 30, 2008, 3:39 pm 3:39 pm

The DNC must Know that they lose scores of voters who will flee B/C FL and MI are not included fully.
The primary was a waste of time as will be the GE…..Dem’s lose the WH!
Obama will never win the GE, we will Never vote for him, NEVER!

Posted by: HP Boston | May 30, 2008, 4:10 pm 4:10 pm

“When HRC steps down with grace, she will allow her supporters to step up with grace.” hah hah hah hah hah hah
—–___________________
hail mary full of grace,
watch b o fall on his face
when he sees that we are right
and he cannot win this fight!
blame the party, DNC,
fractured fluke it’s come to be,
made-up rules which spark and sizzle,
caused it’s strength to wane and fizzle.
Though the DNC and press
To push Bozo did their best,
Covered up sins of commission
Thought they’d fade by pure attrition..
None the less and Yet each day,
Another Pastor came his way
Popped in and birthed a new disaster
And black marks on our list grew faster..
This, Coupled with his poor selection
Of friends and cohorts this election
Despite his posters love to schmooze..
Obama’s going to lose!

Posted by: questioner | May 30, 2008, 6:25 pm 6:25 pm

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