Blogging the Indiana and North Carolina primaries by The Note’s Rick Klein

I think losing yet another midwestern state would further expose Obama’s weaknesses. No way the democrats will win NC in the general anyway, nor IN, to be fair, but if the support among the working class rural voters is strong for Hillary in both states, regardless of the spreads, if I were an SD, it would worry me. It means Wright has had an effect. The AA vote will put Obama over in NC, but I doubt it will be 20%. If Hillary wins big with rural voters, that is going to hurt Obama’s electability credentials.
Honestly, he should win IN.. it’s in his backyard, if he doesn’t, that’s not good, no matter how they spin it. He has yet to win a swing state.

Bigotry is not confined to only white people.

janetwickham
You are right, it isn’t. But two wrongs do not make a right, does it?

janetwickham
I have seen people of all races express frustration with our voting process. But to single out a few people and then generalize it to encapsulate the behavior of an entire race of people, that is not only bigotry, but ignorance on an unforgiveable level. I am white. And it embarrasses me when i see other white folks come in here and spew nothing but HATE for blacks. People like you justify the insane anger of idiots like Rev. Wright.

Interesting views Rick. I leave in IN and I think that Hillary will come out winning by more than 5%, 8.5% to predict more precisely with the support of the white-and blue collar workers. I think we have a surprise in store in NC; Obama will win closer to cities w/ the heaviest african-american population but it will not be a grand slide, it will be very competitive specially among those undecided…the surprise will come with the rural pockets–Hillary might pull it of by 2% overall (the poll I trusted must in NC was the insider advantage and it showed a 4% Obama lead. I heard the poller on the radio XM Potus 08 and he seemed the must objective) My perspective is that a lot of the polls samples were more than likely taken in the cities with less samples from the rural areas, thus I feel must of these population will lean towards Clinton. I think Bill’s strategy will pay off at the end.

makemyday2day
Couldn’t have written it better. I thought we had made great racial progress in this country until this election rolled around and tested us. We have failed it miserably, both blacks and whites, but especially whites. Rev. Wright has given white bigots and racists in this country license to preach their bigotry without qualms. They think they are being patriotic, but they are nothing but racist Americans and the LOWEST of what this great country has to offer.

I agree that even winning NC, Barack Obama support should be questioned if the African American turn out is below 40%.
Considering this is a historic election electing an African American, Barack Obama should match the votes received by John Kerry among African Americans in the 2004 general election.
John Kerry received 1.525 million votes in NC-2004, and 45% or 690k votes were from African Americans.

Lovy…GOOD ONE…it took me a few minutes to figure out who they were talking about until I read the prejudgeous between the lines.

Thank you Rick for your testament to the voting process going on in your state.
I’m sure all the issues will be worked out.

Rick: It was without a doubt the weirdest experience I have ever encountered voting. It’s pretty disheartening to me.

And……the obama campaign and obama claim they haven’t played the racist card? Really? Look at these posters – those for obama are going nuts….Now it has become politically incorrect to use AA – what next? The word black will have to be removed from the English language? Then after that, what word has to go.
Just look at what obama has done to this nation – how he has divided people who generally get along ok – what a bigot obama, his follower and his campaign are. I can’t believe the hypocrisy of all this. Unbelievable and getting sicker by the day. The AA of this nation have absolutely gone berserk.

Multiply your experience by about a hundred to understand what Democrats in Texas felt about their precinct and county conventions this year.
———
And, yo … that isn’t “racist”, folks. Even adult African Americans were embarrassed by the rude — frequently white — Obama supporters shouting in everybody’s face and “herding” the African Americans around as if they owned them.

It is true that Illinois news stations have been covering Wright extensilvely. But it is also true that Se. Obama has been running very frequent ads over the last few days on the main Chicago channels: CBS, NBC and ABC. Duirng one show we counted the same ad five times.
All that advertising may offset any negatives from Wright coverage.

If Hillary doesn’t get the nomination, all the women of the world will be RIOTING!
ha ha, just kidding.

I just voted in NC and was very surprised because no one asked me for an ID. I moved here from the West Coast and have voted in elections for a good long time —I am going on 70. But no one here asked to see an identification. How do they keep these elections honest? So I have a registration card, anyone can easily get one. I moved here and got mine through the mail without ever showing any ID. The only thing that I thought was unfavorable was that there were signs for Obama right outside the voting doors, which I have never seen before over the years. Generally the day of the primary the advertising goes away and you are let to vote your conscience. That seems to have changed with the rules not to show ID?

You folks who believe Obama played the race card first are insane. The way I remember it is that Obama was not drawing black voters when this election first started. Clinton was. When Obama began winning it naturally struck up a sense of pride in the black community and they began to shift from supporting Clinton to supporting Obama. When the Clintons saw this happening they attempted to downplay this migration by marginalizing Obama as the “black candidate” after the New Hampshire primary..This, as anything the Clintons’ do, was a calculated political manuever and is resulting in driving a wedge into the Democratic party. It was their strategy all along. Divide and conquer. This was also the point when this “average white person (male)” decided I’ve seen enough of the Clinton politics (and lies) and vowed never to vote for a Clinton again. You folks who now want to revise reality really deserve the Clintons since their version of truth (lies) matches yours. The reality is the country deserves better.

In NC you do not need an ID. You just mark Hillary.

“The exit poll estimated blacks made up about a third of voters in the North Carolina Democratic primary, about one in seven in Indiana. More than half of voters in both states were women, which is typical for Democratic primaries. About one in seven voters in Indiana and slightly fewer in North Carolina were under age 30; about a quarter in North Carolina and somewhat fewer in Indiana were over age 65.”

Angel your stats are great..keep informing us with your posts. Go Hillary!

Larry , he has too many shady friends and is out of touch with working class americans.

It’s only the race issue that has feared the ‘other kind of whites’ away from Obama…even though he’s half white too.
Otherwise, who would vote for a nasty, lying, power hungry Clinton… whose a woman and the worst example of our sex?

I live in Texas… with all the racist stuff coming out about Michelle and Obama’s pastor…
That dog wont hunt here. McCain is going to stomp Obama.
Sad really, this was the year we were supposed to stomp the republicans.

You can’t blame Obama for any racist divide in this country. It was here long before he came along. He largely succeeds at transcending race (unlike his former pastor), but we as a country clearly have a long way to go.
I believe it was Ferraro, a Clinton surrogate who first played the race card with her absurd comment that the Obama campaign’s success was due to his being a black man (Really??? Because black men always win presidential campaigns??????)! She then lashed out at those who rightly criticized her crude bigotry, saying she was being attacked for being white! Bill Clinton followed that with his comparison of Obama to Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, implying that Obama only appeals to blacks. Remember this happened after Obama won Iowa – not exactly the blackest state in the union. It was also the Clinton campaign which released the photo of Obama in traditional Kenyan garb in a disgraceful attempt to imply that he “looked like a terrorist”. There are multiple other examples of this kind of dirty politics coming from the Clinton campaign.
Now, Obama is no saint – he has made a few gaffes himself – but calling him a racist is beyond absurd. You might try to remember that his mother was white. Also try to remember that Rev. Wright is NOT Barack Obama. From the posts I read here, there are few, if any, who have attempted in the smallest way to understand Rev. Wright and why he might have a reason or two to be angry. Nor do they understand the years of service this man put into defending this country during a time of war. Also, It is entirely possible to love someone like a father, and still hate some of the things he says. I know my father has said a few bigoted remarks in his day. Should I disown him, too?
Look, I know that Clinton’s supporters want her to win, but this kind of race-baiting ugliness will not help Democrats in the fall. The more we allow hatred and distrust to tear us apart, the more likely it is that we will see another 4 years of Republican rule. Just because Hillary Clinton isn’t doing much to ease up on the racial divisiveness doesn’t give license to her supporters to lose their minds. Democrats will not win unless we are all in this together. The only candidate I hear talking about this kind of coming together is Barack Obama. I would love to hear more Clinton supporters suggesting the same. Let me start – I forgive those of you who have made racist remarks. Please forgive me if I have offended any of you. Now, can we all start looking at the big picture?

I believe Obama has been race baiting Hillary. Obama learned this from his friend Rev Wright.

Obama said small town people are bitter and they cling to thier religious faith and thier guns. This statement has a racial tone to it.

Letty, I don’t think that racism is a big issue everywhere, but it IS a big issue if we let it into the White House. Obama listened to racist rhetoric for 20 years and talks about “typical white people”. If HRC had done either one of those things she wouldn’t still be in this primary. Come on IND & NC and get us an electable nominee – send the phony Obama home to his shady Chicago friends!

What a waste of everyone’s time. Don’t you people care about the problems facing this country? I guess it’s easier to fling personal attacks than to understand those things that matter. Those take too much thought.

letty, comendable statement. I have personally spent way too much time reading and blogging on politics, you haven’t spent enough. Sad but true, the obama bloggers have collectively been as harsh, vile, and nasty as anyone can be. It’s nice you can call on Jesus when your candidate needs votes. It would be even better if you also chastised the devisive element within your own cadre. Your right, no one should propagate hate. Also, disliking a candidates platform, attitude or religous affiliation is not limited to the color of their skin, or culture.

Hillary is just the best candidate anyway you cut it.

1/3 black vote in Nc by what 4 o’clock is not good for Obama. That number will be going down. It was 40%

Obama has tried to keep Hillary from getting the votes in Florida and Michigan that were given her by the voters and he campaigned some in Florida. This is wrong.

Obama’s health care plan is a disaster for working class people.

The results should prove interesting.

From CNN
Clinton 60% Obama 40% in Indiana. 2% counted.

Hey Debbie…Hillary can’t be doing too bad in Indiana if she’s at 61% to Obama’s 39%….nice spin tho.

Give the Clintons points for HONESTY? Wow did I miss Something?

The next time any white American doubts that racism in America is still alive and well all they have to do is scroll to the top and continue reading down to the bottom. These posts here are a testament on how far apart we are on the matter or race. Never in my adult life have I seen so many so called life long democrats threaten to vote Republican if Obama or Hillary wins the Democratic nod. Of all the bad things that the Republicans have put us through in the past eight years to even think to vote that way is heresy. I hope all you folks get what YOU deserve in the end, knowing McCain will not gave a rats ass about the middle class or the poor. I hope all of you who say you’ll vote republican if your desired (democratic) candidate doesn’t win don’t have young adult children in the armed services. It amazes me that we all live in the same country but we live so far apart.

A Reader in GA: Obama has won nearly every mid-western state in the country.
Exactly what are you talking about?

Kevin: Your forgetting one thing, the battleground states he did not win. He won some nickel and dime states. That’ what gave him more states. The battleground states that Hillary do not want his as president that’s why they didn’t give him the vote.

People who support Obama is doing him a disservice. The fact is that he is damaged. If Obama win the primary and lose the election, he will be forever banned from running as the candidate. I would not hesitate to vote for him if he have few more years of experience and exposure. While some people think the business with his pastor and radical left wing fanatics is not a big deal as a 2nd generation immigrant, this is a BIG deal. He may or may not think as his pastor, but politics is about perception. If I am an immigrant and a minority can not accept this then you can bet that the majority of American will not accept. It’s not about his pastor, who cares about him. It is about the candidate itself. With a slim resume, he call to people to trust him on his words, that words matters, ideas, judgment are worth it. The pastor incident disproved all of these. If words, ideas mattered, why didn’t he say and do anything for the past twenty years. If he claims that he has the ability to bridge the race, why didn’t he start right at his pastor, his grand mother, his church.Most presidential candidate have one and only one shot at it. If he step up into the ring now, he will be forever damage. The best option for him is to take a VP position or bow out, which give him time to rehabilitate his image and improve his weakness (experience). Eight years from know, if someone ask him about the pastor, he can answer very honestly that it was a mistake, and he can prove that he correct it during the 8 years as VP and full of experience. I know this is not going to convince any of Obama’s supporters and I might be called all kinds of things but it is reality plain and simple.

Where is Rev. Wright….he must come out again before June and play with the press. He is so entertaining. I guess Obama is projected to win NC by 7 or 8.
The polls close in 1/2 hour. Indiana is a sister state for Obama and weeks ago he was supposed to win it pretty big. No matter what, this is going to the end and she will probably exhaust Obama…he seems to be showing fatigue alot lately. Whatever tonight’s expected outcome…this will continue until they figure out what to do with Florida and Michigan.

Yes Tom.

Racist, biggot, idiots and all the other names everyone else wants to attach to people that don’t agree with them. Yea, we have come a long way haven’t we?
Does anyone think after all this hatefulness being spewed here that the party will come together in nov? Race relations are being set back to the 60′s and yet the DNC and Dean does nothing to stop this circus.
Logic no longer drives the voting, it’s all about getting even. Is this the more educated, united left of the democratic party? If this is what we can expect from the democrats then we are indeed doomed in nov.
Who really stands to lose the most when the demos lose in Nov? The blacks, whites, women, working class, hispanics, the poor and all Americans suffering from 8 years of an enept president with a grid locked congress.
For those who never went through the 60′s and the riots, you don’t want to see that again in this country. The blacks in this country I am afraid have helped to rekindle division by voting based on race alone, it’s that obvious. I am sure many whites are voting against Obama based on the same logic as the blacks. Obama will not be the savior you were hoping for, if he cannot unite ALL of us.

If Wright does cause obama problems bear in mind – wright is black not some racist white guy. If they do not seat Michigan and Florida they are slitting their own throats. Of course, it changes the math. Staring at a loss anyone, including obama, would try to change the rules. Might bear in mind, here, obama removed his name voluntarily from Michigan to avoid a loss not because of some moral or rule issue. Is there really any differece? Ickes isn’t stupid he is trying to win a nomination. More power to him.

Debbie – It’s too early to project any wins in Indiana, but if Hillary wins by 9 or 10 it doesn’t matter what group it comes from. She’s has the next two states in the bag and Oregon is probably going to Obama (lots of liberals in Ore.) This will just go on and on, maybe til August.

Hillary is the only candidate that can win against McCain.

Well said Average Joe. I am guessing this will be a McCain – Obama race in November and there will be a McCain win. I only hope McCain picks a great VP running mate. I cannot support Obama for many reasons, least of which is his race.

Nitty…for what it’s worth, street drugs and alcohol are two different things to me. One’s legal, the other isn’t. So Obama doing coke is more concerning that Bush’s drinking. Anyway, I didn’t vote Bush.

By By Hillery..Obama wins N Carolina

Debra
If you are going to get that technical then a druggie is an addict. A person who has a physical and mental dependency on a drug. Obama experimented with drugs and for his credit he came clean unlike Bush who continues to deny he ever sought help for his coke addiction.

“Give the Clintons points for honesty”? You must be kidding, right?

How can there be a projected winner in NC when the polls just closed. Wishfull thinking on ABC’s part. I hope their proven wrong. Hilliary, please stay in the race before America makes the biggest mistake we’ve ever made besides electing Bush. Well all I know is if Obama gets the nominee then congrats to McCain cause thats who I’ll be voting for

When you have a lead in a chess match, you just keep trading pieces till it’s over. Obama will be the candidate.

According to the Gospel of Michelle Obama
….people do become isolated, they do live in a level of division, because see when you’re that busy struggling all the time, which most people that you know and I know are, see you don’t have time to get to know your neighbors, you don’t have time to reach out and have conversations to share stories, in fact you feel very alone in your struggle….
What? Not my experience. Who is she talking about anyway? Guess she does not have any friends and Obama won’t talk to her.

All my life I have stood up against racism… now we have someone complaining that someone said “these people” and all I can think of is hearing Obama say “typical white people” and he’s a Presidential candidate… So things have changed.
Black people may be more racist today than whites, in General. My take, none of it’s OK. It’s not OK to hear Obama say typical white people, or hear him read from his book, “that’s how white folks will do ya” and Black Supremacy does not get a pass. It’s the evil flip side of White Supremacy.
Why should there be some double standard for Obama? Who did he help in IL? What has he ever done that’s outstanding in the US Senate. This is not about wright, he’s the scapegoat. This is about what Obama said, and what Obama wrote, and the choices Obama makes, and all I can say if he was any other color there would be no denying he’s a racist. Wrights not the problem. Obama is his own problem.

Ron, because CNN has campaigned hard for Obama.

This doesn’t make sense ABC predicts Obama to win NC but shows that Hillary has the most votes.

You think that is news Mr. Klein? Everyone knows 2025 doesn’t include Michigan and Florida. Disenfranchise those voters: Lose the General Election.
Anyone thinking there won’t be a backlash if that happens is out of touch.But, your probably right and the DNC will figure a spin. It is not going to sell though. That 40% of unhappy people that say they will vote for other than obama are a bit more hard core than you think. Rightfully so. +Why do you think 60% of the democratic party want the Nomination Process to continue?

They didn’t predict IN yet b/c districts where Obama is heavily favored have not reported

Debra.
You’re right.
Obama is unelectable in G.E.
but the democratic leadership doesn’t
agree.
I”ll vote for McCain if Obama gets the
nomination.

Let’s hope that after tonight’s impressive victories, the superdelegates should come out in force along with Gore and Edwards in support of Obama. The people have spoken loud and clear. It is time for the superdelegates to drop their fear of the Clinton machine. The 90′s Clintons are now the Martha Vineyard’s elite 109 MIllion dollar and counting couple, and will need to go out and campaign heavily for the new democratic nominee- yea right. I call BS on that. Time for them to go back on the road and start amassing mor money for their family fortune. Good riddance.

Who in their right mind would vote for Obama? Obama has hardly any experience and surrounds himself with racist America haters and crooks. ie, Rev. Wright, Rev. Meeks, Bill Ayers, Rezko. Even his wife, Michelle, thinks very poorly of this Nation. Yet the so called educated and young people are in his corner. Could it be the that the media is so in love with the concept of a person of color becoming President that all of Obama’s short comings are ignored and thus the media is going full board behind Obama? In any case this makes our media pretty corrupt and some would say racist.

So now how are HRC’s sycophants going to spin this one? Clearly she is going to win IN, but probably by less than 10%. However, she’s going to get totally trounced in NC. She is definitely falling a bit further behind in pledged delegates and popular vote count. I don’t see how her supporters and advisors can talk their way out of this one. We’ve been hearing from the entire main stream media that tonight was judgment day. Well, she’s going to fall further behind. The superdelegates will have no other choice now. There is absolutely no way they can support HRC any more. It would start a civil war within the Democrat party if the superdelegates overturn the popular vote. Tonight basically seals the deal. Obama is positively going to be the Democratic nominee now. HRC’s run is over.

I am absolutely sickened by the negative and vicious attitudes of people in this forum. It’s my candidate or no one from everyone! We are tearing ourselves apart at the seams? Every major economist has said Clinton’s “gas tax holiday” scheme will not work … gas companies will raise the prices to what they would have been with the tax. No taxes means no money for roads, bridges, etc. She will never get a bill through Congress to go after the gas companies during Bush’s watch. Bottom line: It’s a political gimmick. Obama has his issues as well with Rev. Wright, Rezko and Ayers. He’s no angel, nobody is … can we just argue the issues instead of tearing everyone down with belittlement?

Mike – How do you know unless you try. Congress could try to pass something, anything is better than nothing to lower fuel prices. If Bush veto’s it, imagine the fight that will make for the November elections.
Just to come on here and say that I should give up on the idea and to vote for Obama is just not nice. I support Hillary Clinton for President.
Hillary should stay with it until ALL the votes are counted. That goes for Montana and Oregon and South Dakota and any other state that has not had their primary yet. Nothing to fear for you Obama supporters, right?

Here in Texas & also in other states, it was the Clinton voters who were rude. In fact, they tried to steal sign-in sheets, etc. In my precinct, they were loud & threatening & one Hillary supporter was shouting random numbers into the chairperson’s ear trying to mess up the count. I’ve not heard a single complaint about Obama supporters. Just wanted to set the record straight as the people posting about Texas obviously weren’t here. The rudest commenters I’ve seen are Hillary supporters but there seems to be an organized campaign of misinformation to portray Obama supporters as rude. I’ve seen no evidence of it. On this board, things look pretty even regarding rudeness.

Above in the 8:38 update it is said that they are not calling Indiana because of certain counties are not counted. It is said that Obama is due to win those due to the demographics. Meaning what?

It was predicted long ago because of the 40% of black populaton in NC, Obama was due to win….he had said Ind. was going to be the tie-breaker…let’s see Indiana’s numbers. Carl Rove just said Sen. Clinton has done/said LESS in this race than Obama has for the Republicans to attack come fall. There is so much trash attached to Oabma come fall…the all American McCain will trounce him. Can’t wait til someone takes the gag off Rev. Wright. Obama could smoke crack with Wright on national TV and his black supporters wouldn’t desert him. I’m sure Gary Indiana (mostly black) will pull it out for Obama too and push his numbers up. Now they are talking about them sharing a ticket? Ugh..sorry, just can’t vote for this unqualified, questionable man.

Marianne,
I’ve grown weary of this analogy of Catholic church scandal to Rev Wright. The situations are VERY different. How so you say? Let me see, if Catholic priests had for 20 years been preaching the goodness of raping little boys and the parishoners just STOOD BY and listened to it and did not leave, then you’d have a point. But that is not how it played out as you know.
Barack Obama has some very questionable associations – not just one, but several. And it is fully within our right to explore these connections – and Obama has even said he agrees so himself!

BLOWOUT in NC for Obama!
Indiana very close! Here that rumbling noise? It is the Super Delegates moving to Obama!
Thank you to all the good people of NC and Indiana!
It’s all over now, Barrack Obama for President of the United States!!!

Bigglesworth,
It’s quite easy to defend. Obama gets 90% of the black vote. That’s why he wins NC. But come general elections, this demographic will be less important.
What raised my eyebrows is how few of the white vote Obama got in NC. That should concern Obama’s campaign

The majority of Democrats in NC are Black..come November they will not be the majority..and If Obama is the nominee he will not win..

Latinos will never vote for Obama..I will work for McCain to get as many Latino voters to support him If Obama is the nominee.

AC, NICHOLAS, DMK…YOU GUYS ARE ALL RIGHT. I HAVE LOCAL NEWS ON NOW BECAUSE I JUST CAN’T HEAR OBAMA’S YELLING VOICE, IT’S THAT BAD FOR ME. DEMOCRATS ARE SUCH IDIOTS, WHICH IS WHY THE HAVE LOST THE LAST 8 OUT OF 10 ELECTIONS. NOW THEY ARE GOING FOR 9. SO GLAD I’M A REGISTERED REPUBLICAN WHO VOTED HILLARY HERE IN CALIF. I’LL WORK MY HEART OUT FOR McCAIN WHEN THE DNC NOMINATES THE WRONG GUY A-G-A-I-N!

Obama is trying to reach out to Clinton supporters to unify and acting so gracious to Hillary, thinking everyone of us is going to get in line behind him. I am only determined more to work for McCain. Obama scares the crap out of me….flat out. I don’t care who his running mate is….even if it’s Clinton…I would work for McCain. But I usually vote Republican anyway, I just thought Hillary would really work her heart out for the country.

The democratic party will dominated
by blacks and groups of extreme left wing individuals.
Whites will move to republican party
[most already did] and it will be the end of the democratic party as we know it.
Read U.S history about the south.Used to be solid democratic,now is republican.
In november i will vote for McCain.

Word is Obama Congratulated Clinton on IN win.
Obama08

Debra.
I agree,i will vote for McCain anyway.
I voted for republicans plenty times.
I care less about the VP position even if it’s Hillary.

Charlie Gibson was commenting on the weather conditions for voting today. He said North Carolina was in the 80′s and Indiana in the 60′s. Are there actually reporters in Indiana or were they just guessing? I had the a/c on in Indiana early this morning and it got up to 80 degrees up north in Fort Wayne. We’re used to reporters completing ignoring the Midwest, but if we’re included PLEASE GET IT RIGHT!

Maybe so Jason, but as an outsider looking in on the bubble you folks need change…a shake up.
I am a conservative in my political views and it disturbs me to see how the GOP has self destructed under GW. The same old policies are not going to get you out of your dilemma. I would like to see the Dems back in (Clinton or Abama) for one term to give the GOP time to rejuvenate and rebuild your country. The World needs you as a force of reason and diplomacy.

Obama may win the nomination but he will lose the general because too many of us will NOT vote for a man we no longer trust, a man who listened to hate for too many years to be able to disclaim and disown it now. And that support is what the superdelegates should be thinking about now. Can the Demoncrats lose this election?
Yes, we can!!!

Why shouldn’t it be close. Better still why shouldn’t Obama have won.
He was outspending her 5:1 in Indiana for sometime. I think it’s down to about 3:1 overall now.
Why can’t he win middle America. Look at the county map. He won 8 counties 9 with Lake out of what 88.
That’s not a winning formula for Nov. He can’t close the deal with white voters.
Democrats need to ask themselves if 90% of the black vote can win a general election when 60-65% of the white vote and more than that of the Hispanic and Jewish vote goes the other way.
Democrats have always won the black vote in the genral.
Obama is not looking like a winner in Nov.

nitty, my switching parties has nothing to do with Clinton but with the fact that I will not be part of a racist party. If blacks were supporting Clinton by 90% It would be no different.

Blacks supported Kerry by 90%. Why didn’t you leave the party then?

FYI Lake county Indiana is only 25% black. It is also 12% hispanic.
There will be around 100,000 democratic voters there.
There is no way that obama willl make up 45,000 votes with a black pop of 25%.
The media needs to call this for Clinton there is no reason not to other than their bias.

83% of the vote counted and they still can’t call IN, a state that by all rights should have been Clinton’s. Tonight is a true victory for Obama, and it shows that Clinton knows it, with the push to change the Rules and up the anti for the supers.
It is time for Clinton to get out.
Obama08

Jason…glad Obama gives you hope…he gives me fear.

If Hillary personally thanks the people of North Carolina tonight at her speech, it will be a first!! Totally ungracious!!!!

The media doesn’t believe that we the 33% will vote for MCCAIN in November …
So, my 33% friends, let us show the media if we are really the Hillary, then MCCAIN group …
The media plays Obama over and over again … When Obama or their Obama-stricken pundits are on, guess what else is on …? MY MUTE BUTTON.
I haven’t heard a word out of the Obama mouth for a while now … and dont intend to hear any word out of the Obama mouth …

I see a group of black voters in that photo on the opening page.. How appropriate.. After all, 90% of the black population in NC voted for Obama.. So the black vote matters, but NOT the white vote in Florida.

When 97% blacks vote for Obama its not racists but if white vote for Hillary it is guess I will never understand that one.

Just reading all the blogs – it’s amazing that so much hatred is in this campaign – I am praying for healing of everyone who posted blogs – All of you are talking as if you are perfect – we all have made mistakes, said things that possibly negatively affected someone – There are no perfect candidates – none of us are perfect – He who has never made a mistake – let them cast the first stones – AHA! we all have made mistakes. But let us – for once in history – make a positive change and not judge one another so harshly. Let’s all work together to get a Democrat in the Whitehouse – we’ve had enough of Republicans – Let’s see what a
Democrate will do – give them a chance! Amen

As I read through the posts, I am amazed at the hate still being spwen back and forth. Senator Obama has won NC and will hold the state by a large margin. He will pull enough pledged delegates out of NC to erase any advantage Hillary had in PA. The IN gap is down to 4% at this time with Cook County still not in. Cook County is a strong hold for Senator Obama. I have been floating the blogs and the predictions are that Hillary will win IN but by only 1.5% – 2% of the vote -around 20,000 votes. Even if she pulls a 45-55 lead in the remaining six primary states, Hillary cannot catch up to Senator Obama.
You Hillary supporters can argue all you want about pledged delegates and superdelegates changing their minds – it is not going to happen. Like it or not, Senator Obama pulled more of the white vote tonight then he did in PA. He has enough support of that voting block plus the African American vote to win the election. As much as you may want to, you cannot ignore the African American voters and their backing of Democratic candidates. Hillary and Bill have done a good job of alienating this decisive voting block. If Senator Obama is ahead in states won, pledged delegates won, popular vote won, and is only 14 superdelegates behind Hillary as of today, there is no way that the superdelegates will ignore those stats and support Hillary instead.
As for the Jewish and Catholic voters, many will stray to Senator Obama. I live in the a southwest state, and the Hispanic voters here are not behind Hillary 100% nor is any voting block 100% behind any candidate.
We have an opportunity to change the way Washington is run for the first time in several years. If you wish to vote against your own interests in the next election, that is your choice. I for one will take the chance on a candidate who is offerring something different and not same old, same old politics as usual.

NEWS FLASH!
Hillary completes victory speech and CNN says Indiana is still TOO CLOSE TO CALL!
Won’t that be embarrassing for her if he wins??
GO OBAMA! Come from behind in Indiana, there is still plenty of time, and the numbers are in your favor!!!

Rick – NC looks like the kind of win Obama needed, though Clinton may pick up the superd vote of Shuler in CD11 (thank you Bubba for having lunch). IN may be a squeaker depending on the Lake County vote. There may not be enough for Obama to overtake Clinton, but I think it may be closer to 50.- 49. by the end of it.

Obama camp projected he would win IN, I don’t think they felt Hillary was going to come this close not from their projections, even in NC she is doing a lot better than they expected.

The win for Hillary in this state is a joke.She will make it sound big. But it’s not.

blogger left at 11:00 what a wimp. This is a news station! Well he did favor Hillary, so let’s let him go to bed and lick his wounds. It’s so, so over for Hillary.

REALITY CHECK.
===============
Democrats lost another change to
win the white house.
Blame the party leaders and the undemocratic primaries and caucuses.
In november i will vote republican.
Hussein Obama is unelectable in G.E.

What crap is ABC speaking Hillary lost the bigger state, now come on did anyone in the media for weeks ever said Hillary was going to win NC with that kind of heavy AA votes??
This is what gets me with the MSM, for weeks they were saying she cant win NC and now they are saying oh its a bad night she lost NC, my god do these people in the media feel they are talking to ignorant people, so what is ABC saying now that the AA population were going to turn on Obama and vote for Hillary?
You guys in the media are really a piece of work yes, always flaming the fires no wonder the DNC is in such a mess the media is part of the blame.

If Obama steals the nomination, McCain will win by record numbers. Atisha is on the count, Hilary is about 220,000 ahead in votes.

It is really sad to see any group vote like a MOB …
I have always been and will always be a Clinton supporter … Through good times and through bad times, I believe the Clintons do care more for the average Joe than any other politician I know … I believe the Clintons have prove that they will do more for the average Joe than any other politician, in office or out of office.
And what is truly sad for me if she does not win the nomination is that I really believe she would have made a better President and is the more genuine of the 2. Obama is an opportunist … That is all he really is … His true colors will show if he wins the White House …. God help us .
The Democrats are really Dumbocrats …
And by the way, I am a registered Republican who would definitely vote for Hillary if she is the nominee …
Otherwise, I guess I will return to the Republican fold.

Its really sad because the DNC had a good chance of winning this election, the best they have had in a long time, but sad to say Obama will not bring it home for them.
Running against McCain is going to be a different ball game, but it will be fun to come on these blogs and say I told you so.

Maybe its time to say goodnight to Hillary, bad as I hate to. Course, I will also say goodbye to the Democrats. Much as I like Senator Clinton, I despise obama more. As far as I am concerned – obama has bought the nomination, despite extraordinary efforts by Hillary to stop him.

Maybe the DNC needs to lose one more time, they also need to see some of their supporters move over to the other side, they will have to bleed to get some sense knocked into their heads and then maybe next time they will have a chance, but until then they can kiss the WH goodbye for another time.
As for all this great AA support the DNC feels they have will it will dwindle just as soon as Obama is knocked out of this race, then Dean will have to go back begging the poor whites to come back to the fold, some may but other wont forget that will be it for the DNC.

Well, Debra, it was the Clinton camp that put the superdelegate system in place. But now that it is not working to their advantage, the spin is from her supporters that the system needs to be changed. Too bad, so sad – you reap what you sow.

Lake County will have a lot explaining to do if they overturn the vote. They refused to release any vote until they were all counted. Even analysts who ragged on Clinton earlier are expressing outrage!

I sure didn’t think this evening would turn out this way. Everything I’ve read seemed to point to Clinton winning it all.

Obama has 8 counties our of 92 in IN against Hillary and you want to tell me he will beat McCain in a GE in IN, oh please go check your maps, the AA vote cannot bring it home for Obama in a GE so understand that.

Obama’s record will be his defeat, if he gets the nomination. The republicans are ready, just like 4 years ago. Re: Rev. Wright, Resko, Farrakhan, Ayres, Dohrn, Malcom X, Muslims of America, PLO, Hamas and Auchi. What a resume.

Ohplease: Are you saying the delegates/votes counts should be tossed and clinton should keep going on the agrument that she’s the better for the G.E?

Ron, I am not a Hillary Clinton supporter. That’s your mistake. I am undecided. I will wait to the GE. I am pointing out how ridiculous you are. If Fl and MI don’t matter to your party, the Republicans will take them. Period. I left the Democratic Paty after they nominated John Kerry because self-indulgence has destroyed the party.

Do you dispute the loses Chris, and Ron? Don’t you worry that your party has won only three out of eight elections? You don’t see this as a problem?

If he wins IN so what, all he has done is secured the nomination not the WH, that race will now begin.

Some real fishy business up in Lake County…not surprised, Gary is big on Obama…so I’m guessing a disappointing turnaround there…by the way REPUBLICANS HAVE WON THE LAST 8 OUT OF 10 ELECTIONS….WE’RE ON OUR WAT TO A 9 OUT OF 11!!!! This crossover Rep. for Hillary will jump back to McCain.

Yeah, Debra. I’m Independent and I’m having a VERY hard time buying much of what Obama says. He will have to do something miraculous to have me feel comfortable in voting for him.

Hillary Clinton needs to drop out now. Unless she pays for the campaigning herself.
I have no problem if she asks rich folks to donate.But I dont feel its fair for her to ask struggling people for donations anymore.
Obama should offer her Healthcare as her pet project under his administration.

Obama’s administration don;t make me laugh like some of you are forgetting there is still a guy called McCain in this race lol

The Mayor of Gary is on the phone on CNN and he cannot give an answer.

Oh Please,
Lake county is his strong hold, if he wins tonight after Hillary gave her “Victory Speech” and even begged for more money because she is broke again – then it is over…
It is time for all of us Democrats to get behind Barrack! As we all know we need to defeat McCain if we want this war to end, bring our soldiers home (finally) and get the economy right again for all of us!

Silly no Ted just a reality check.

Hillary just won Indiana

Way to go Hillary! Stay Strong.

Obama won NC by 233,000 votes.
Clinton won IN by 22,000.
Obama wins the night.

This is going to be difficult for her to win at this point. Her momentum has stopped. His hasn’t increased, but unless she pulls out victories in the next three primaries( which could happen) she will have a nearly impossible road to the White House. Something big needs to happen with Obama, or she needs to present a false momentum. She needs to gain supers, badly.

Ted I agree with most of what you said, but the Limbaugh voters are a myth. Factcheck.org dispelled that rumor back in Ohio. The 65 and older voted 67% for Clinton and won the race for her.

OhPlease,
I just heard that to, but don’t believe everything you hear on TV. Just like I hope everyone doesn’t believe everything they read on the Internet as well.
There are plenty of reports tonight of a lot of Republicans voting for Hillary in Indiana.
No one in the MSM wants to admit that Rush has this much influence, rather they would like you to think he has no influence at all… Don’t believe it. Those Republican Bots are way worse than any of us here arguing between Hillary and Obama…

Ted I didn’t hear that on tv. I looked at exit poll results.

Hillary gets her win in Indiana, despite crooked Mayor Clay. As I see it…Hillary will stay in this to the end and someone reaches the magic number (remember Huckabee stayed in it and was no where near Hillary in wins). I was watching MSNBC and they said she could be waiting for some other “Wright” moment or for a VP slot. Believe me…more is coming on Wright…he won’t remain quiet and there is tape out there somewhere…probably in a Republican vault, like my husband is guessing. His speech is replaying about Truth and Change…OMG….
The minute he is decided the nominee I will be calling my local McCain headquarters and signing up!

OhPlease,
It doesn’t matter anyway, but that has been on TV tonight as well as all the talk radio stations.
What matters is that ALL of us get past this Hillary Obama thing. All of the Hillary supporters know in their heart, that after tonight she is done…
It is time to mend fences and get behind our nominee Barrack Obama, and fight like we did with each other against the people that want to take away a woman’s right to abortion, that want to keep our sons and daughters in a place where they are killed and injured everyday.
We all need to get behind our candidate and stop all the madness! Hillary can’t win anymore and anyone thinks that she can after tonight had better get a grip on reality.
My nephew is in Iraq right now and I want him home in one piece, thats all…
I am not black, I am a 50+ year old white guy, I remember JFK, and this guy is the closest thing I have ever seen in my life to him…

I’m watching a replay of Hillary’s speech and I so HEAR her when she speaks. She is talking about Burma and the deadly storm (Obama never thought of that because he’s NOT PRESIDENTIAL)! It’s hard to hear his yelling speeches full of nothing…she is so much better at communicating. She is not going to give up here, I’ll tell you that. The polls will go up and down in the coming weeks….but we all KNOW who has a better chance of beating a right of center candidate…a left of center candidate….NOT A SO FAR LEFT HE’S OFF THE MAP CANDIDATE.

Barrack is too left. Waaay too left.

What a joke. Of course it’s easy for the Obama supporters to say the party will unite, because they know THEIR guy is going to win.
Tell them to speak for themselves, but the Hillary supporters are STAYING HOME or voting McCain.

But Ted, I’m not a Democrat, nor am I a Clinton supporter. I’m Independent. haha…I just want the two strongest candidates in the GE. I didn’t get to pick McCain, but I see Obama with way more weaknesses that Clinton. I don’t think Clinton sees this as the end. If supers don’t move towards Obama I think Clinton will try and continue. The way I see it is blacks, and the upper middle class, are mainstays of the Democratic Party. They will not vote Republican. Latinos and blue collar are swing votes. If they supported Clinton a few percent will leave and support McCain. If the supers gave Clinton the nominee the Obama supporters would have no choice but to vote for Clinton. What I think is funny is that Democrats think it would be stealing for the supers to vote for Clinton. Everyone seems to forget that those are the party rules. Very strange.

I hate Limbaugh. Ted…If I’m objective about the race, I’m a Rush Bush? How about just being unbiased? I have listened to every thing Obama and Clinton want to do. Both Clinton and Obama have flaws. I think Clinton’s are less fatal. McCain is a different story. I will find myself being a lot less interested with Clinton out of the race. I enjoyed her knowledge and perception during the race. It was encouraging to see a candidate so well versed. If she drops out, it will be a sad day for women.

I am not an American, I do not leave in the USA. I leave in the Ukraine. The current USA election has become one of the most popular event and news in the world for today. Even the un-educated around the whole world are equally taking interest in it. This is actually a very big test to the American people and what they stand for. Sometimes it seems what is happening in the USA between Hillary Clinton and Barrack Obama is becoming more important to every other person around the world than to the Americans bcos it is going to expose the Americans to the rest of the world and that might define the way some people will start to view the USA.
This election will answer series of question like:
-Are the Americans actually democratic as they often portray?
-Have the American people leave above the prejudice of the past and proclaim their glory as leading democracy?
Will the some American people (the super-delegates) robe Obama for the Clintons while Obama is leading?
What will they explain to the rest of the world who are patiently watching?

Sen. Obama’s win in North Carolina gave him a chance to look good in the aftermath of a long losing streak of most important states like Ohio, Texas, Pennsylvania. It was obvious that N. Carolina vote was primarily along the racial lines. 90% of Black Americans voting for Sen. Obama but 40% whites. Lee Cowen of NBC upgraded “North Carolina” to the category of a major battle-ground state, last night! Sen. Obama again lost the Reagan Democrats. And without them he can’t obviously win the White House, even if he’s the nominee. That’s how desperate these media people are to promote Barack Obama, and spin even a rather many sided event into “a big deal” for Sen. Obama. And at the same time even big deal for Sen. Clinton get slighted and dismissed. All Democrats should support Sen. Clinton just to demonstrate the American that we don’t tolerate such unfairness in a democracy such as ours!

92% Blacks vote for Obama in NC??? Do you think they vote on issues??? HELL NO!
Luckily, they are not flooding their racial votes on 50 States!

fgsdfgsg

The Democratic party needs to include Florida and Michigan, because if they had counted them from the beginning, Hillary would have been in the lead the whole time and everyone would have been begging the other candidate to pull out! Hillary has won the popular vote and this all seems like a big trick to disenfranchise her supporters. It’s a stolen primary election if they don’t count Florida and Michigan. You can’t just disenfranchise the people because of the party leaders inability to come to an agreement.

About 45% of the democrates in North Carolina are black, and they consistently vote against Hillary.
The average of United States is way below that.
It has been BO’s strategy to flash race card to win the primaries. This is the end of the trend. From now on, people will remember that states like NC’s choices in winning by racism. It will backfire and snowball to something that BO will be crushed in general election.
Yes, it is personal to mature-minded that the black community prefer to vote by race. We shall answer ‘DITTO’.

Yes, it is personal to mature-minded that the black community prefer to vote by race. We shall answer ‘DITTO’
________________________________________
Well Kathy, listen to yourself. Duh!!
For as long as there have been such a thing as voting for president of the US, we have 43 examples that the white community prefer to vote by race.