By Nitya

May 15, 2008 7:37am

Carville: Edwards’ Backing “Certainly Helps” Obama

ABC News’ Nitya Venkataraman Reports: In an interview on Good Morning America Thursday, even James Carville seemed impressed following John Edwards’ endorsement of Democratic frontrunner Sen. Barack Obama.

Carville, a Democratic strategist and adviser to Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., said Edwards’ Wednesday night announcement in Michigan "certainly helps in terms of psychology of the superdelegates" but that the power of the endorsement would only be truly tested in Kentucky’s Democratic primary on May 20.

"Obviously it is something that’s good for Sen. Obama," Carville told ABC News’ Diane Sawyer, "I wish he would have endorsed Sen. Clinton — but I’m not sure how much it’s going to translate into votes."

Asked if Clinton would accept vice presidential placement on November’s Democratic ticket, Carville said "I think she wants to be president…I think she’s going to go through this thing to the end. And I know that when you’re doing something like this, you’re not thinking vice-anything."

Referencing Clinton’s West Virginia win on Tuesday, Carville also reiterated the sentiment that he would back the Democratic nominee once the primary season is over.

"I’m going to be for the Democrat — whoever it is," Carville said.

If it’s Obama, Carville continued "I’d certainly be for him."

User Comments

I think the endorsement was an insult to the voters in West Virgina. It’s crazy, given that Clinton just won by 41 points. This is Obama camp mode of operation. No wonder, they will have a very difficult problem uniting the party with this kind of tactics. The American voters can see through this. Also, John Edwards looses my permanent respect and support. I regret voting for him in the Super Tuesday primary!

Posted by: kathy | May 15, 2008, 7:51 am 7:51 am

Du you think so?

Posted by: krispin | May 15, 2008, 7:54 am 7:54 am

This is what I call dirty politics..stealing someone’s else thunder especially when Hillary Clinton has sacrificed so much of her time and money in the state. Obama barely even did an appearance in West Virgina. This party is becoming a good ole boys club.

Posted by: kathy | May 15, 2008, 7:56 am 7:56 am

Kathy, politics is a tough game, and a game it certainly is. The object of the game is to win and you do whatever you need to do. Both candidates have been jockeying for position all throughout this process and using whatever they could to their advantage. Certainly, if the situation was reversed, and given how Clinton’s campaign has been run, I’m very, very sure that she would have done the same thing. There’s no such as playing nice and letting your opponent gain points at your expense. Not in the game of politics.

Posted by: nikita | May 15, 2008, 8:02 am 8:02 am

Kathy, what about all the states Obama took by 20 or more points (there are more than just a couple)? The true democrats who are ready for government by the people and for the people will come together at the end of this process and Sen. Obama will be our next president.

Posted by: keith | May 15, 2008, 8:05 am 8:05 am

stop whining people it’s politics!!!if edward had endorsed HRc what would you say??may i remind you weird things HRC says or uses?considering that only white people are hard workers for example?may be obama promised to Edward something Hrc just couldn’t!That should be your real question!!!…And it won’t be a reason for to quit…we all know that she’ll keep fighting even after the nomination…

Posted by: avembe | May 15, 2008, 8:09 am 8:09 am

I would have enjoyed looking at Edwards as president cuz i think he’s dreamy. And to whoever said this is a game, I personally watched Michelle Obama, in an interview on CBS, say that’s it’s not a game.

Posted by: Kitty | May 15, 2008, 8:17 am 8:17 am

I am a white 44yo mom from the suburbs of Detroit. I support Obama. But I am NOT in favor of Hillary steeping aside or leaving the race until the last vote is counted. There are women in the last remaining states that want to cast their vote for a women. They may be grandmothers, who may not be around for the next election and they want to say “I voted for a women for POTUS” It’s exciting, it’s historic and I don’t think anyone should take that away from them. Hillary should take this opportunity to begin rallying her troops for the fall. If she suceeds, she will be this party’s next Eleanor Roosevelt.
Hillary Clinton for Secretary of State!

Posted by: Jeanne from Michigan | May 15, 2008, 8:24 am 8:24 am

Posted by: justme2see | May 15, 2008 8:21:47 AM
1 Opinion = 1 Vote
Good riddance!!

Posted by: jld1959 | May 15, 2008, 8:31 am 8:31 am

Wait until you see the “tenacity” of Hillary supporters who do NOT support BO!
You are certainly chasing a very fast ambulance now John!

Posted by: HP Boston | May 15, 2008, 8:31 am 8:31 am

I believe Edwards endorsement was an insult to every Democrat. To every working American. To every citizen who voted for him in the early primaries.
If he thinks this will sway peoples votes for Obama, he is dreaming.
More and more people, wish they could take their vote back from obama as time goes on.

Posted by: seah | May 15, 2008, 8:37 am 8:37 am

Very strange to see such abuse of Obama by Hillary supporters and vice versa. Aren’t you all Americans? Coulnd’t you guys be civl to one another? Very sad!!

Posted by: krispin | May 15, 2008, 8:41 am 8:41 am

Kathy you’re right. Those of us from Chicago understand that Obama is well versed in dirty politics so these tactics don’t surprise us. Most intelligent Americans won’t fall for the tactic and it won’t sway our votes, but we have begun to seriously judge Edward’s moral compass and his judgment.

Posted by: AmericanWomanPatriot | May 15, 2008, 8:42 am 8:42 am

the hillary supporters that are specifically on here commenting
…are just plain…whacked…I mean just left the planet.
Luckily I just went to a gathering of Hillary supporters here in NH and almost all of them…maybe 2%… had anything in common with these weird posts.
Most of them know the country and the issues come first…not some weird bitter angry spiteful thing.
whew… I started to lose faith in human beings again from reading these posts for the past few weeks.
stop the anger and get a little self awareness folks.

Posted by: dl | May 15, 2008, 8:44 am 8:44 am

I don’t get it either krispin. We all live in the same country. Why are Hillary supporters so angry?? No one stole this election from her. She lost. Plain, pure and simple. She will tell her supporters to get on the bandwagon, support Obama and win back the White House. Isn’t this really what it is all about? Getting rid of Bush and his ilk? Come on people, really!

Posted by: Jeanne from Michigan | May 15, 2008, 8:45 am 8:45 am

Alotta brittle folks upset with Edwards.
But John is just acknowledging reality and this is unacceptable to Hillarian deadenders.

Posted by: The Commander Guy | May 15, 2008, 8:45 am 8:45 am

Hillary you need not do any thing, we will cover you in NOV. Play nice with the boys, they will never know what hit them. We your supporters will write you in on our ballots and no other Dem will get a vote from us. You go on show the wimps what a woman can do and smile even when the little sweeties show rude, crude, disrespect, remember they are merely boys. They have a very difficult time being grownup, every thing is a game to them.

Posted by: HP Boston | May 15, 2008, 8:48 am 8:48 am

krispin, Americans are very generous but we’re not stupid. And we take our freedoms very seriously including our rights to have our votes counted (Michigan and Florida) and we despise cheating in our election process. We’re very deeply concerned and worried about the media bias which has gone on in this election so far. And there has been a lot of derogatory treatment of Hillary because she is a woman. It’s been disgusting to watch and noone has stood up to defend her not even Obama.

Posted by: WeNeedFairReporting | May 15, 2008, 8:50 am 8:50 am

HP Boston…..Ummmm, errr….
HOW does she finance this run for the White House??? Inside estimates have her debt at $35 million!!

Posted by: Jeanne from Michigan | May 15, 2008, 8:52 am 8:52 am

Obama’s new slogan -Same old tired losers we can believe in.
Looks like John Edwards couldn’t care less about the “poor” America of his 2-America stump speech.

Posted by: geevill | May 15, 2008, 8:54 am 8:54 am

Talk about sore losers. There wasn’t anything dirty about what Edwards did. He wanted his endorsement to have as big an impact as possible and last night was perfect for that. 30+ superdelegates have endorsed Obama since the IN/NC primaries. WV didn’t change anything. Everyone knew he was going to love big. Stop drinking Howard Wolfson’s koolaid. The goal of the endorsement is not to sway voters in Kentucky, it is to sway superdelegates. Like Carville said it “certainly helps in terms of psychology of the superdelegates.” Hillary supporters can vote for McCain if they want, but when he adds more conservative justices and overturns ROE v Wade, I won’t be the one to blame. I’m voting democrat regardless.

Posted by: Carter | May 15, 2008, 8:58 am 8:58 am

dl
You gotta assume half o these whacked out ppl are just wingnut Saboteurs just having fun by posing as hillairian dead enders.

Posted by: The Commander Guy | May 15, 2008, 9:05 am 9:05 am

Michigan Pam—-
I’m from Michigan too. I voted “undecided” so did my husband and most of my friends. Clinton wants all the votes for her, but Obama gets zero, none of the votes for undecided. She played fast and loose with the rules, she kept her name on as a political move just weeks before the primary.
When there was talk of a revote, Clinton’s campaign said only the people who did not vote in the first primary would get to vote again. So I coulnd not vote for Obama. BUT that she would get all the votes for her in both rounds and Obama could on get the votes for the second round. So 45% of Michigan voters would have their votes erased. This makes no sense and her argument is verging on criminal.

Posted by: Jeanne from Michigan | May 15, 2008, 9:08 am 9:08 am

What a load of crap coming from so called Hillary supporters. Are these the white, blue collar workers she boasted would only vote for her? What is dirty politics about announcing a major supporter on a day pundits will be talking about a loss you suffered? That is called excellent strategic management. HRC used the same strategic advantage to great effect not so long ago when she was reeling from the effects of her Bosnia lies. She seized on Rev Wright and got her lies sidelined. That’s what politics is about you use your advantages strategically. As someone recently said: “If you can’t stand the heat…”

Posted by: Sue Ann | May 15, 2008, 9:09 am 9:09 am

Wow, there are a bunch of Hillary supporters whining about the Edwards endosement today!
Although many have tried to downplay the importance of the endorsement, the outpouring of “poor Hillary” posts shows just how important this is.
I thought the timing of the endorsement was excellent. And who cares if Obama called Edwards and said when it should happen. The Obama campaign has been excellent in their strategy, and I think it was very smart to have Edwards waiting until Obama felt it was the correct time.
Obama is a leader. He surrounds himself with great advisors. He will be a wonderful president.

Posted by: Susan | May 15, 2008, 9:13 am 9:13 am

HP Boston….I am inclined to agree with you but it is so difficult to tell from the comments I read. On the issue of Michigan and Florida….I think it is a mess which has been created from the beginning and I think will be a tricky minefield to negotiate…as to whether it must go count to determine the ultimate nominee…my sense is it will not be fair for the reason that anytime te rules are changed mid-way it does not bode well for the results and precedent set.

Posted by: krispin | May 15, 2008, 9:19 am 9:19 am

Edwards understands that Hillary can not catch up without the super delegates overturning the pledged delegate count.
The party agreed to use pledged delegates as a way of giving the 14 caucus states equal representation. Anything other than using pledged delegates would be an injustice to the founders of our great country.
The founders understood the importance of equal representation and created the Senate (2 from each state).
The Democrats must unite or everything Clinton, Edwards, and Obama are trying to achieve, will be lost. McCain stands with Bush on almost every position.
Clinton, Edwards, and Obama are very similar on their positions.

Posted by: Debbie | May 15, 2008, 9:22 am 9:22 am

Thank you John Edwards. Someone tell Bush the axis of evil is here in the US. It is the Clintons.

Posted by: JJ | May 15, 2008, 9:22 am 9:22 am

Edwards endorsement really doesn’t mean a thing. He is not even a Super-D! He was brought out at a union talk by BO because Edwards was for the unions. He is just trying to get the working class.
For those that don’t get it about the Hillary supporters being upset you might pay more attention to the fact that we are sick of the media pushing BO down our throat. People I know that aren’t even Dems are quite sick of it too. The media might find out in the long run that they have over played this biased card

Posted by: rockthebleachers | May 15, 2008, 9:24 am 9:24 am

How touching…John Edwards of the $400 haircuts, and Obama, the Elitist, teaming up to vow war on poverty! Since the press has already declared Obama the presidential nominee, I can’t see the Democratic Party backing Senator Clinton now. How unfortunate that we can’t redo the primaries held before the Rev. Wright. America’s the loser on this one. Go independent, Hillary. Please don’t force me to vote Republican!

Posted by: Corky Crofoot | May 15, 2008, 9:24 am 9:24 am

rockthebleachers…
Isn’t this a free country?? Vote for who you want, isn’t that the point?

Posted by: Jeanne from Michigan | May 15, 2008, 9:29 am 9:29 am

Jeanne + your response invalid = clueless.

Posted by: rockthebleachers | May 15, 2008, 9:32 am 9:32 am

To weneedfairreporting and others, if you wanted to have your votes count,you should have insisted that your Florida and Michigan Democratic State parties FOLLOWED THE RULES. No one, not Obama, Howard Dean, JOhn Edwards or Hillary for that matter made you VIOLATE THE RULES and move your primary up to a time we now see, in retrospect, made it meaningless. Oh and the whole one person one vote, what about caucuses, each caucus vote counts about equal to 10,000 real voters. This is the Primary election, each party makes its own rules. The laws don’t take effect till the General. Hillary was all for the rules and endorsed them when she thought she would have it wrapped up Super Tuesday

Posted by: Mark | May 15, 2008, 9:37 am 9:37 am

Sorry rock, that your candidate lost. Dems da berries! Get over it already. Vote, don’t vote. But get over it. SHE LOST fair and square! She didn’t plan for after Super Tuesday. She ignored small states and caucus states. She ignored the power of the internet and the small donations. She counted on her rich and connected friends. Misteps go on and on. Bad decisions + arrogance = lost election.

Posted by: Jeanne from Michigan | May 15, 2008, 9:40 am 9:40 am

Mark – the people in the state didnt do that. The legislatures did. The party could have offerred a different penalty. I actually don’t want the rules changed – but you have to admit, angering democrats in critical states makes for bad policy. if you cannot see this then there is no need to debate.

Posted by: tony | May 15, 2008, 9:40 am 9:40 am

I can’t believe a lot of what I am reading here. As Sue Ann says, the announcement of John Edwards’ support is tactical. Did you critcs listen to the Obama/Edwards message at all, or are you more interested in just saying mindless things? I think John Edwards gave the best speech I have ever heard from him. He praised HRC and emphasized the good of the country which can only come from a Democratic president. Obama’s message was equally one of hope. Are HRC supporters so blinded by loyalty to her that they cannot see that a vote for McCain really would be just keeping Bush in the White House for more destruction of our country. I am a fat 59 year old who used to be a Hillary supporter, but I realize that she simply has no chance that is honourable. Come on fellow democrats, it’s a new day – accept change. Especially those of you who are racist. Black people really are just like the rest of us. They eat, they sleep, they work and even go to the bathroom just like you and me. The good Lord made us all.

Posted by: JennyR | May 15, 2008, 9:40 am 9:40 am

Jeanne from MI: Defections to McCain + Staying at Home by Clinton Supporters = No Democratic victory in November.
Much costlier equation….

Posted by: tony | May 15, 2008, 9:42 am 9:42 am

JennyR – so sweet. I am black, and I am glad I, like other Clinton supporters say: No Way! It’s not about racism, although I imagine for some it is. It’s about treating all candidates fairly and not collaborating with the media to destroy the Clintons. Sorry, but the Democrats need to learn something about strategy. We criticize the Repubs for loyalty, but their loyalty has given them dominance on the national scene. The courts are laden with conservative judges who will block our laws even if we win the White House. Apparently, the Dems need to suffer a little more to learn some lessons. While the lovefest was going on, this side of the party was becoming increasingly more angry. Now, the chickens are coming home to roost.

Posted by: tony | May 15, 2008, 9:46 am 9:46 am

Tony,
I did not say the people did it, I said the people could have STOPPED their Democratic state comittees from doing it. yes the state parties did it knowing full well it meant they would violate the rules. Their hope was that there early vote could influence Super Tuesday and then they would be allowed to be seated at the Convention in August because they thought the nominee would be locked up and no one would object to seating delegates from States that WILLINGLY VIOLATED THE RULES but would not have affected the outcome. No one knew it would be this close!

Posted by: Mark | May 15, 2008, 9:47 am 9:47 am

Oh my God!! WHy are we whining about this???
Edwards’s move yesterday was a perfect political move for team Obama. Yes, he stole the spot light from Hillary. But, I want you to ask yourselves something…
Would Hillary have done the same thing?
Answer = yes. We have seen the lengths of which Hillary will go through to win this election. Obama is simply beating her at her own game. She scored a extraodinary Victory in West Virginia. Sould the Super Delegates use only that state as an excuse to throw Obama out, when he has won 31 (more than half) of the contests, a lot of them being lopsided victories? W. Virginia had their say, and Now Oregon will have their say. This is not the United States of West Virginia. This is the UNited States of America.
Let’s stop this petty bickering. Don’t be angry at Obama because more people are voting for him. That is democracy. I understand that you are upsetthat your candidate lost, but there can be only one nominee. This happens every four years. in 2004, it was the Deanites who were upset at Kerry. In 2000, it was John McCain backers who were upset at Bush… The list goes on and on. Put this bitterness behind you and unite.

Posted by: DemocratsUnited | May 15, 2008, 9:48 am 9:48 am

Shame on the politicians — but you are basically saying “shame on the voters.” I actually hope they do nothing for the MI and FL voters. It will make them even more angry and alienated and likely to defect in November.

Posted by: tony | May 15, 2008, 9:48 am 9:48 am

I think the endorsement was an insult to the voters in West Virgina
Posted by Kathy
========================================
I agree with your post.
Also i believe any endorsement wouldn’t
play any significance role in general
elections.
John Edwards is a loser twice.

Posted by: Nicholas | May 15, 2008, 9:49 am 9:49 am

Nicholas and Kathy,
Explain how John Edwards choosing to endorse Obama insults West Virginia?

Posted by: DemocratsUnited | May 15, 2008, 9:51 am 9:51 am

tony-It’s early, cooler heads will prevail come November. When people really start looking at the ddifferences between Obama and McCain, they will come to their senses and go to the polls. Certainly, some will stay home and lick their wounds, but I hope that it is only a small minority. For those who say they will vote for McCain, remember, only when the Republicans are gone will Americans know the full scope of what Bush/Cheney really did to this country. We only see the tip of the iceberg. And we can fix what we don’t see.

Posted by: Jeanne from Michigan | May 15, 2008, 9:52 am 9:52 am

I think they will try to convinve enough Super delagetes to back Obama in a May/June landslide that will allow them to seat half of the Florida Michigan delegatesHillary won, giving Obam half what he won in FLorida, and half of the uncommitted in Michigan, that will STILL PUT HIM AHEAD because he is so far ahead of her now. States become happy, and the REAL WINNER still wins.

Posted by: Mark | May 15, 2008, 9:52 am 9:52 am

Tony,
Do not worry. Michigan and Florida delegates will be seated at the convention. It is just a matter of how and in what numbers. The DNC will not allow the delegates to be seated in a manner that changes the outcome of the election, so they will probably get half the delegates.

Posted by: DemocratsUnited | May 15, 2008, 9:53 am 9:53 am

All the Hillary supporters who are thinking of voting for mc-more-war need to listen to what Hillary is saying. She says it would be a MAJOR mistake to vote for mccain in the fall since his policies would only harm the country more. Obama & Hillary’s policies are very close, so when she finally bows out I hope that all the voters pay attention to what she says about Obama. Obama 2008!!!

Posted by: pt | May 15, 2008, 9:56 am 9:56 am

Sorry Mark, we could not have done anything to stop the idiots here. We did complain, to deaf ears. Our GOV. is HRC’s State Campaign Chair. She wanted HRC to get an early victory. It was an ugly attempt to influence the rest of the states.

Posted by: Jeanne from Michigan | May 15, 2008, 9:56 am 9:56 am

Edwards took his time and watched the nature of the campaigns. He made his choice based on who he thought would be best to lead this country. He had the experience that so many of us that read about politics lack.
The fact that he chose Obama speaks volumns.
People can like one over the other for various reasons and usually they are ones we identify with or affect us in our daily lives but when one person has played by the rules enacted by the DNC and won every catagory then the choice made by Edwards is understandable even to those of us less experienced.

Posted by: Brian | May 15, 2008, 9:58 am 9:58 am

Tony
Go to Daily Kos.
They have a good break down of the FL and MI delegates and different ways they can be alloted. They will not change Obama’s majority regardless even if they do not give him anything from MI.
He still wins.

Posted by: Brian | May 15, 2008, 10:00 am 10:00 am

DemocratsUnited: Sorry – people know what a last minute deal to save face looks like. Not buying it.
Also, I am not mad Edwards endorsed. Let go of that people. I mean, when Obama lost, the first thing I said was “who will endorse him today”? He always announces an endorsement when things look bad for him. It’s all a pre-planned strategy. Smart politics by the nonpolitician.
Anyway, I love the “scare tactics”: Republicans will rip out my uterus is you don’t vote for Obama! We will bomb the earth into a nuclear winter if you don’t vote for Obama. Unemployment will top 90% if you don’t vote for Obama….lol. Great melodrama. You guys could write for soap operas. Too late to worry about unity. Where were the unity calls when a great woman was being steamrolled?

Posted by: tony | May 15, 2008, 10:01 am 10:01 am

Jeanne…you are SO right. If Hillary doesn’t pull it off..she would be a GREAT Secretary of State….

Posted by: cindyct | May 15, 2008, 10:01 am 10:01 am

It is evident the people and voters want Hillary over Obama.
The DNC pressure and those idiots falling for it, show they are not worth much. If they can be force to do something they vowed not to.
No Biggie just shows the weaker democrats.

Posted by: seah | May 15, 2008, 10:04 am 10:04 am

DemUnited: I find it odd that Obama supporters so willingly reduce opposition to Obama to racism and to women clinging to Clinton but are appalled by the notion that sexism could have impacted Clinton. LOL. The contradictions are startling. People have even read my arguments and called me racist for not supporting Obama….until I remind them that I am black….then they have to push another “why people don’t vote for Obama button,” usually, they run for “you were never a real democrat,” “you are just a republican,” “you will calm down later,” or “you don’t care for this country.”

Posted by: tony | May 15, 2008, 10:04 am 10:04 am

Trotting out the most prominent white male candidate to endorse him shortly after his glaring weakness with working class white folks has been exposed is very transparent. Everyone can see his desperate attempt to cover that gaping hole of supporters he lacks in the Democratic base.

Posted by: hopesprings52 | May 15, 2008, 10:05 am 10:05 am

Tony- steamrolled??? Really??? If she was sooo great…why didn’t she win? Because she surrounded herself with fools who planned this bad from the beginning. They were arrogant. If she can’t hire the right staff to run a good campaign and lose so much money in the process, what gives her the right to run our country?

Posted by: Jeanne from Michigan | May 15, 2008, 10:05 am 10:05 am

I am one of the supposed kool-aid drinkers, but I’ve noticed some recurring phrases on these blogs by Hillary supporters. How many times have I read “empty suit” and “throw under the bus” in the past weeks? What’s up with that? Do you guys have a manual or something?

Posted by: louielouie | May 15, 2008, 10:06 am 10:06 am

PT: we have heard for months now that Clinton is despicable, a pathological liar, self-interested, that she would say anything to get elected, that she’s a monster, and that “we cannot wait until she’s gone.” Now, you guys want people to listen to her? Why? Were you guys just lying about her before? Or is there an exception that allows us to listen to her if she says something helpful to Obama? Please clarify.

Posted by: tony | May 15, 2008, 10:07 am 10:07 am

JennyR – Edwards only said what you wanted to hear. Another political ploy some fell for. He got disgusted and left the race because Obama was getting all the spotlight by the press. Go figure. They are burying the Democratic party – no loyalty. I knew I was a Republican all those years for some reason. Loyalty. I don’t think I will ever back or be excited about another Democratic nominee as long as I live. I’d rather vote Republican than vote for such a racist bigot as Obama. YOU as will I have to suffer 4 years of people who care nothing about the common people so get ready. Grow you a garden and fill the cellar with canned goods. HARDER times are coming.

Posted by: C Good | May 15, 2008, 10:08 am 10:08 am

LOL louie! They go to HRC’s website each morning to get their talking points and buzzwords for the day and then descend on the blogs, coffee and bile in hand.

Posted by: Jeanne from Michigan | May 15, 2008, 10:08 am 10:08 am

Tony…that only shows the country how stupid HRC supporters really are…they would jeopardize this countries security and economy because they are mad their candidate lost the nomination! Either way, if you don’t vote or vote for McCain you are seaking the deal for 4 more years of Bush. I hope you are rich and don’t have a kid.

Posted by: cindyct | May 15, 2008, 10:11 am 10:11 am

Before we all go off the deep end and vote for McCain, lets remember the supreme court, and death. The supreme court is pretty easy, its 1 vote from turning back the clock to before 1967. Honestly as a Democrat, do you really want that? Second, Death. This can used in so many ways… Death penalty, more troops killed needlessly, 100 years of war, Broken medical system, increased poverty, more lives taken in our name through capital punishment (I still have a hard time with pro-lifers being ok with the death penalty) Come on people. If the nomination is Hilary, I will have to swallow my extreme disdain for her and vote democratic.

Posted by: Paul | May 15, 2008, 10:13 am 10:13 am

Paul…right on …I will vote Hillary also, against my heart…but with my head. God gave me a brain…

Posted by: cindyct | May 15, 2008, 10:15 am 10:15 am

tony-don’t lump all Obama voters the same. It’s shamful. I like HRC and wanted her to do well, win even, if she played it right. But she didn’t. HRC as Secretary of State would be amazing. She could be the next Madeline Albright. HEr career in politics isn’t over by a long shot. Just this phase of it. She is a great woman, and she will continue to do great things for this country. I just hope all her supporters can support her in the future the same way they have done so far. HRC’s story is just beginning to be written and I have a feeling she will go down as one of the best politicans American has ever had. Things happen for a reason and maybe God has bigger plans for her that we can’t quite see yet.
No tony, Obama supporters aren’t koolaid drinkers or bigots, we are, for the most part truly kind people who can see a bigger picture.

Posted by: Jeanne from Michigan | May 15, 2008, 10:17 am 10:17 am

rock…it is the Dems rules not the publics….if you don’t like caucuses then change things. HCR should have been better at competeing in Caucuses. Another thing she underestimates…

Posted by: cindyct | May 15, 2008, 10:18 am 10:18 am

Thank you John Edwards. Someone tell Bush the axis of evil is here in the US. It is the Clintons.

Posted by: JJ | May 15, 2008, 10:18 am 10:18 am

Please people, no name calling. WE are all in this together and divided we fail. I believe anyone who chooses to cast a protest vote is entitled to do so. You MUST vote your heart. But don’t bash the candidates or their supporters, you are just showing everyone how small you are.

Posted by: Jeanne from Michigan | May 15, 2008, 10:22 am 10:22 am

DemoUnited — thanks. Now I will vote for Obama after reading your wonderful advocacy.
Cindyct: Thanks for letting us know that God exhausted brain matter on Obama’s supporters. Great way to persuade the crowd. I do not have a kid, but I am not rich — not poor, somewhat upper-middle class. I always vote for others’ interests. I vote for health insurance, although I have a company plan. I vote to stregthen social security, although I have a very strong 401k. I vote for quality education, although I do not have kids. I vote for anti-poverty programs, although I am not poor. I support feminism, although I am a man. I am pro-Immigration, though domestically born. I am strongly antiracist, because it is the right thing to do, and because I am black.
The list could go on and on. But this history does not mean anything to Obama supporters. Apparently, we were “smart” Democrats until we decided we did not want to support Obama. Well, I am certain that I have been voting for liberal causes more than most people on here, and I have nothing to prove about my intelligence or committment to progressive causes. People who see things totally in black and white (Obama voter = brain, Clinton-defector = stupid), are the ones who lack intellectual sophistication.

Posted by: tony | May 15, 2008, 10:22 am 10:22 am

JJ,
As an Obama supporter, i find your comments insulting. The Clintons have done more good for this country than any one of us could ever do. I would not have minded if she won the nomination, but she didn’t. I preferred Obama, but that does not mean she is Horrible person. Stop posting hate comments and dividing the party.

Posted by: DemocratsUnited | May 15, 2008, 10:23 am 10:23 am

well JennyR, thanks….uhhh, I guess lol
This is the first time, in my adult life, that I have paid close attention to an election, and boy oh boy…politics IS one dirty game.
First, they dog Obama by calling him a wimp. The man has too much class to beat up on a woman, especially one within his own party.
Then, when he does make a tough, political move, they dog him for being dirty….another damned if you do, damned if you don’t moment.
Obama does not share Wright’s views, you can tell by his past deeds, and it is so wrong to hang Wright around his neck. Again, a church is more than its pastor. The Obama’s became a part of their church community, which does much more than just listen to Rev Wright.
Obama never said he didn’t hear Wright make controversial statements, he said he was not in the church for those comments that were 30 second looped on cable news.
I find it interesting for all those folks who don’t seem to understand Obama’s call for change.
Our government, that is supposed to be for the people, by the people, has become too secretive. Obama is calling for transparency, he’s calling for ordinary citizens to become engaged in what is going on after our politicians get elected. Stop putting your heads in the sand.
Lets stop with the bickering. We are all americans. We need to come together to bring about the change we seek in our government.

Posted by: LA in Indiana | May 15, 2008, 10:23 am 10:23 am

All of the Hillary supporters must not listen to her very closely. She has said that it would be a “mistake” to vote for McCain over Obama. If you truly believe in HRC, then take her advice and vote for the Democrat who is nominated, not another Republican.
We don’t know all the crap that McCain is really about because of this long primary.
John McCain is financed by his sugar mama; the only people he can truly relate to are wealthy white people. If you want four more years of that, be my guest.
If you don’t believe me, go to wikipedia and see what Sen. McCain is all about.

Posted by: Bubba Johnson | May 15, 2008, 10:23 am 10:23 am

Tony, you are right. I think its bad that the media portrays Clinton backers as the “dumb uneductaed folks” Hey, if Obama were not running, I would be a Clinton backer, so it kind of insults me too. But, it doesn’t help when Clinton Backers come and post very hateful comments and comments that amount to outright lunacy on these boards. Obama backers have done the same thing. It is time now that we start thinking with our heads and not our emotions. Obama pretty much stands for the same things Clinton stands for. It looks like he will be our Party’s nominee, so we need to respect that and give him our full support.

Posted by: DemocratsUnited | May 15, 2008, 10:29 am 10:29 am

LA in Indiana
Here Here, I second that. Obama supporters need to listen more to their candidate. Hillary supporters also need to LISTEN more to their candidate.

Posted by: DemocratsUnited | May 15, 2008, 10:31 am 10:31 am

Lou:
The Obama Internet Angels Manual has nice words like: cold, divisive, racist, selfish, Tonya Harding, kneepcapping, kitchen sink, and amoral.

Posted by: tony | May 15, 2008, 10:34 am 10:34 am

There is a difference between being resilient and stubborn. Hillary has become the latter. I did actually respect Hillary, however now I believe she is desperate, stubborn and selfish. She had a big “projected” lead before primary season due to media speculation on if she was going to run. Then the voters spoke… and she is no longer the front runner.
Hillary, it time to step aside and give this party 6 months to take on McCain. Otherwise you are just becoming his biggest asset… I hope there is enough time.

Posted by: DemGoingtoConvention | May 15, 2008, 10:36 am 10:36 am

Jeannie -and all the other people who say Clinton would be a great Sec of State: LOL. I thought she lacked judgment — especially on foreign policy. You guys really offer contradictions. Were your earlier observations just hyperbole?

Posted by: tony | May 15, 2008, 10:37 am 10:37 am

Tony,
I could just as easily say that the Clinton Interner Angels Manual has nice words like
terrorist, manchurian candidate, sexist, racist, muslim, unpatriotic, weak, wimp, among others…
There have been plenty of mud slung from both sides. Time to get past this.

Posted by: DemocratsUnited | May 15, 2008, 10:39 am 10:39 am

AMERICA-FIRST
SO, by your argument, I suppose that all the other super delegates that support Clinton, President Clinton included, should have waited until everyone voted to voice their support. Remember, she had the support of over 100 Supers before the first contest was held.
What Hypocrisy!!

Posted by: DemocratsUnited | May 15, 2008, 10:44 am 10:44 am

Sandy-Get your facts straight. I’m tired of hearing this mis statement constantly repeated as truth. After the overwhelming response by white Americans to her husband, Michele Obama stated that she was really proud of her country for the first time. That white America appears to be moving away from stereotypes and are willing to vote for an black man, (actually he’s half white) but you get the idea. The very fact that we are descendants of slaves, with many of us still behind in terms of economics, that we’re shot 50 times and it’s repeatedly ruled “justified”. Michelle was saying that she’s proud of white people. That you’re not the ignorant bigoted losers who once dominated this country’s politics. That’s it. You got it?

Posted by: roxanne | May 15, 2008, 10:46 am 10:46 am

roxanne
I agreed with Michelle Obama. I’m white and am proud of my country for the first time too. I knew what she meant, that we were finally able to get past skin color and look at the man. I thought it was a great speech, torn down by old bias.

Posted by: Jeanne from Michigan | May 15, 2008, 10:49 am 10:49 am

Jeanne: 3 things. First, if you didnt say she lacks judgment – fine. Then it applies to the others. Second, that was not like racism. Please. Third: yes I am black, and I find it odd that people on here constantly say “if” you’re black or “assuming you really are…” or “you are not/cant be black..” blah blah blah….

Posted by: tony | May 15, 2008, 10:49 am 10:49 am

Tony,
The fact is that emotions run high in any campaign. Emotions are to be considered when voting but it is important to prioritize. For example, if Obama wins the nomination, will you go to the voting booth in November with “I can’t believe this young punk took this nomination from Hillary, a magnificent leader, I’m gonna show him”, or will you go into the booth with, “We need a turn around on our economy, we need our troops to come home, we need to re-prioritize our National Interest and fix Health Care”?
Both thoughts are highly emotional, but which is more important? That is what I meant by thinking with your head.

Posted by: DemocratsUnited | May 15, 2008, 10:50 am 10:50 am

Roxanne – Michelle’s comments weren’t even that deep. She was just saying she’s proud people are voting for her man.

Posted by: tony | May 15, 2008, 10:50 am 10:50 am

If Edwards and Obama are elitist, then hillary must be the Queen of Elitism, sheeeesh!
C’mon folks, lighten up. Obama is not an elitist….Obama is not a muslim….Obama is not a terrorist. He is a redblooded, christian american, just like most of us. Forget the past and all the distractions and divisions. This man had to learn what it was like to be black in America, only because that is the hand he was dealt at birth. I believe he has taken the time to understand ALL cultures….which is the best way to move forward for ALL. He is not for one race over another. WE are one people.
Obama and Clinton are about the same when it comes to policy. If Obama is elected president, then there will be less gridlock when it comes to moving the democratic policies forward.
Our children and grandchildren are counting on us all working together.

Posted by: LA in Indiana | May 15, 2008, 10:51 am 10:51 am

Hi, Mich Pam – perhaps since you are not a Dem you are not used to how the game goes – but they HAVE to say nice things about Clinton because they dont want her supporters to run to McCain. They are scared to death over this, which is why the superd’s havent all gone to his side.

Posted by: tony | May 15, 2008, 10:55 am 10:55 am

Jeanne from Michigan,
I hear what you are saying. I read a very intriguing article over on HuffingtonPost.
It was about this white lady from Louisianna who was accepted into Harvard University. Her Mother drove her up there and when they found out her roommate was black, the mother threw a hissy fit and marched down to the housing office to demand a room change because her daughter had never associated with blacks and didn’t intend on starting to then.
This article came from the mother and daughter from back then and are deeply regretful for their actions. That black roommate was Michelle Obama (I forget her maiden name). So, I can understand where Michelle was coming from.

Posted by: DemocratsUnited | May 15, 2008, 10:57 am 10:57 am

tony, then why are you so willing to sterotype? Please stop. I have never critized your candidate. As I said before, I strongly believe God has bigger plans for HRC. Bigger than POTUS.

Posted by: Jeanne from Michigan | May 15, 2008, 10:57 am 10:57 am

Jeanne — you know those “uncommitted” votes were for Obama or Edwards. Come on – there was a campaign to have people select uncommitted. 80 percent of blacks voted uncommitted; I guess they thought they were voting for nobody. LOL> Under the plans I saw, Obama would get all of the uncommitted votes – even though some were probably Edwards votes. This could make even more sense now that Edwards has endorsed him.

Posted by: tony | May 15, 2008, 10:58 am 10:58 am

I’m a Hillary supporter because SHE is the best candidate for President. However, it seems like everything is falling in place for Obama. For the life of me, I cannot and will not vote for him if he is the nominee. There are way to many questions about him that even he, himself, refuses to answer. I am 50 years old and for the first time in my life, I will vote Republican if this fake, Obama, is the candidate. I challenge ALL Clinton supporters to cross over and vote for McCain. He’s the better choice of the two. If Hillary runs as an Independent, vote for Independent…..you have the power. Lets keep this idiot Obama out of office and his hateful wife as well. Rise up, Hillary supporters……Obama may have caused many others to fall under his trance, but we know who the best candidate is. We, Clinton supporters have the POWER to keep this racist bigot out of office. Spread the word, do whatever it takes, but lets take a stand for AMERICA, lets take hold of our country!

Posted by: david from texas | May 15, 2008, 11:03 am 11:03 am

No tony, you are wrong. The uncomitted votes go in the garbage. There were a total of 8 candidates in the race at the time. So Clinton said they don’t count because you don’t know what the voters intentions were. But here’s the kicker, in the re-vote agreement the Clinton campaign put forth, anyone who voted the first time around couldn’t vote again. So all those who voted “uncommited” the first time are disenfranchised. This includes me and all my friends. Not fair and the reason Obama’s camp blocked the re-vote. They wanted to start fresh and let everyone have a say.

Posted by: Jeanne from Michigan | May 15, 2008, 11:05 am 11:05 am

Wow David!!! McCain sounds just like Bush in this stump speech. I remember Bush saying he was going to reach across the aisle too!! Thanks for pointing out just how similar McCain is to Bush!!

Posted by: Jeanne from Michigan | May 15, 2008, 11:10 am 11:10 am

Jeanne, keep drinking your Obama Kool-Aid……again, empty suit, no substance! What a joke Obama is! I can’t wait until November to watch his and his hateful wife’s expression when he loses! LOL

Posted by: david from texas | May 15, 2008, 11:11 am 11:11 am

I’m glad Edwards finally made his choice official. Watch for much more of the same. Obama is the nominee against McCrazy. Those of you that no longer want to ‘play’ because your preference lost, suit yourself. Vote for McCrazy and have more destruction of America and American values. But someday you’ll have to explain that choice to younger family members that you yoked to never-ending debt and loss of liberties when they ask “What WERE you thinking???”

Posted by: ByTheSea | May 15, 2008, 11:14 am 11:14 am

A statue of Stalin could win after the last 20 years of the Bush and Clinton tribes. George Bush is the best thing to happen to the Democratic party since JFK!

Posted by: john | May 15, 2008, 11:19 am 11:19 am

If McCain is elected you can say GOODBYE to Roe v. Wade. McCain will have to appease the right wing of the GOP on Supreme Court nominations. Do women really want the Federal government sitting in on their doctor visits, monitoring their medical charts?

Posted by: Steve from Danville | May 15, 2008, 11:35 am 11:35 am

C Good, whether you like it or not, Chicago is a major city in this country. Chicago, and all of its citizens are a part of this country….again, whether you like it or not. They are not less than because they are from Chicago, so get over it.
And what about the black panther party?
bill and hillary clinton embraced the black panthers, just like they embraced Rezko, and just like they praised Farrakhan. There is a video of Rendell praising and falling all over Farrakhan. So please, what has Obama done with any of these groups or individuals that has not been done already by our ‘white’ politicians that are already in charge??? No one is calling them hateful for being in their corner….so what is REALLY going on?
david, what is it about Michelle Obama that you find so hateful?

Posted by: LA in Indiana | May 15, 2008, 11:37 am 11:37 am

For Diane Sawyer to suggest that Hilliary Clinton reject votes because people voted because of race is ridiculous! Just because some people in this country are racist bigots doesn’t give us the right to take away their right to vote. Where would it stop? Should we take away peoples votes because they only voted for Hilliary because she is a woman? Should we take away votes from Barack because someone only voted for him because he is a man? Where do we draw the line? The beauty of this country we live in is that we do have freedoms and rights. Freedom to think they way we want and the freedom to vote the way we want The freedom to speak out if we need to. If people want to start taking away others’ freedom just because someone doesn’t think like you do, then there are many countries Diane that you can go live in that will tell you how to live, how to vote, how much you can make, and what religion to believe in. It is sad that in the year of 2008 that we haven’t gotten beyond seeing the color of skin.

Posted by: Jazzydel | May 15, 2008, 11:44 am 11:44 am

so much hatred towards Senator Obama and for what reason? Because he decide to run for the precidency? Because he wants to united All Americans? Because he wants to make America strong again?
If we don’t pull together as a country/like we did when 9/11 happen, we will never become a powerful country again..I see why all the other countries are buying our country bit by bit and we as americans cannot see this yet we are harping so much on Senator Obama race, we cannot see the forrest for the trees. Maybe we would be happier if american became a dictorship country and everyone might be happy. I voted for Senator Obama in the beginning, I like how he have brought all americans together and he will get my vote November…..Go Obama Go

Posted by: Della | May 15, 2008, 11:54 am 11:54 am

IF obama could win we would all be in trouble the last timme the dem. had a newbie was Carter what a mess that turned out to be.

Posted by: Bishop | May 15, 2008, 11:58 am 11:58 am

Tony,
What do you mean they weren’t that deep? Many white people were offended by her statement. They couldn’t figure out why this was the first time she was proud. I thouhgt it was important to point out to those people that there are many reasons both past and present that blacks and even poor people would not be so proud. Think Hurrican Katrina as an example. How proud were you?

Posted by: roxanne | May 15, 2008, 12:03 pm 12:03 pm

Roxanne, the statement wasnt as deep as you portrayed it. People can turn anything into drama — like when people said that Clinton was racist for running the 3am ad. But that doesnt mean the original point meant to do anything too complicated.

Posted by: tony | May 15, 2008, 12:06 pm 12:06 pm

Tony,
The supers haven’t moved because they are waiting for the rest of the states to vote. It has noting to do with them not wanting to endorse Obama. I suspect because they all know the Clintons so well, they don’t want to be sued by them. As soon as the last vote is cast, you’ll see what I mean. I have the feeling that there are many supers who can’t wait to cut her down for all of the problems both she and Bill bought to the party!

Posted by: roxanne | May 15, 2008, 12:08 pm 12:08 pm

Someone please explain to me why sean hannity keeps making it a big deal that Barack Obama attended the million man march….
I must be missing something.
Ed Rendell and bill clinton both praised Farrakhan for the million man march and all that he tried to do to help the black community.
Are we looking at another double standard here? I don’t understand.

Posted by: LA in Indiana | May 15, 2008, 12:15 pm 12:15 pm

LA in Indiana – you are so much fun. love to you

Posted by: C Good | May 15, 2008, 12:15 pm 12:15 pm

Deal with it. As soon as the media started telling her to get out after Iowa, and then his surrogates started inventing racism (“fairytale” and “LBJ”), and then they bashed the almost-tear, and then they ignored the fact that women rallied to her defense in NH — and said he lost due to the racist “Bradley effect,” and when the media said it was more important to listen to hope and change rather than policy….blah blah blah….and the Lord Obama was above critique: I decided that I would not support him at all. My position has only grown stronger. I’m glad Clinton will do a cheerleader speak at the convention, but we know what subliminal messaging feels like.
Posted by: tony | May 15, 2008 9:29:54 AM
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Tony I think I love YOU!

Posted by: HP Boston | May 15, 2008, 12:23 pm 12:23 pm

aaahhhhh, Phyllis is the one who said something about Chicago politicians.
Politicians are the same, across the country. Being from Chicago doesn’t make one a better or worse politician.
Michelle says its ‘rough and tumble’ and it could get dirty….look what the republicans tried to do in the last three contests….dirty politics.
But the people didn’t buy into the distraction! Thank God, they finally get it. Maybe this nation is on its way to healing after all.

Posted by: LA in Indiana | May 15, 2008, 12:23 pm 12:23 pm

You know what? i’ve read what “Michiganpam”just wrote and it just…you know it’s really accurate…Knowing the way HRC is able to act what she is capable of, i was wondering ; though she knew that Michigan votes wouldn’t count may be she planned to keep running knowing that some opponents would not compete there and then come out and claim(as she’s doing now)she won…I think that’s the case cause she talk about the fact that some people actually DIDN’T vote cause they knew their vote wouldn’t matter all the more that their candidates weren’t in the ballot…it’s the same thing in florida why should HRC pick all the delegates there when some voters certainly reacted the same way some people in Michigan…What HRC is demanding isn’t square, MICHIGANPAM you are absolutely right!!

Posted by: Avembe | May 15, 2008, 12:24 pm 12:24 pm

lol thanks CGood
==whisperin== I guess that was a compliment?!
Ok…on to the next topic!

Posted by: LA in Indiana | May 15, 2008, 12:26 pm 12:26 pm

Oh…you’re right roxanne. But I thought maybe someone white could explain to me what THEY read into it. You know we see things differently.

Posted by: LA in Indiana | May 15, 2008, 12:28 pm 12:28 pm

“She is a woman who, in my judgment, is made of steel, and she’s a leader in this country not because of her husband
but because of what she has done,” Edwards said. “We are a stronger party because Hillary Clinton is a Democrat.”
NOW, the Demacrate primay SO FAR LEFT is “The Emperor”s New Clothes”
One see the clothes.
One see the color.
One see the body.
Just suck up and move on.

Posted by: jy2008 | May 15, 2008, 12:30 pm 12:30 pm

My intent wasn’t to make these posts hostile. As far as anyone being assasinated, I certainly hope it doesn’t come to that. If anyone believes we all are informed about what the government is doing and that anyone person can change that is kidding themselves. I just really don’t believe Obama is ready to be President of the United States of America. Actually he has more crooked WHITE politicians backing him than black.

Posted by: C Good | May 15, 2008, 12:35 pm 12:35 pm

It is really strange how BO has surrounded himself with every OLD politician in the DEM party. How much change will there be? He now owes his soul, lock, stock, and barrel to the DEM power guys! He has taken the money, the support and now he will have to pay the piper. What goes round comes round. A tall lanky puppet he will be! They will say jump he will say how high? They will say we got you here we can get you gone too! Presidents do need a majority house and congress to get things done…BO is bought and paid for. Hillary was not going to be the puppet president.

Posted by: HP Boston | May 15, 2008, 12:38 pm 12:38 pm

Thanks Katherine, for sharing the petition information. I encourage ALL Hillary supporters to sign the petition. Lets post it on ALL the blogs. We have to defeat Obama….America does not need this bigot in office!

Posted by: david from texas | May 15, 2008, 12:38 pm 12:38 pm

Heu… sorry for making so many mistakes, i should read more carefully my comments before…In fact i meant”i think that’s the case because she never talks about the fact that some people actually didn’t vote…

Posted by: Avembe | May 15, 2008, 12:40 pm 12:40 pm

Can someone please tell me what Barack Obama plans to do to “unify” the country when he can’t even unify his own party? I have been paying attention, and I have to say, I haven’t heard word one from him as to how he plans to do it. Come on Kool Aid drinkers, Have at it.

Posted by: jus111 | May 15, 2008, 12:41 pm 12:41 pm

The Democratic Party has lost its bearings, not John McCain.
I am a democrat, but I will not support in November, I am a former Community Organizer in SF and I have seen men like him for years.
People with ideas that are utopian without reallife substance. Ideas that cost money with no real plan of paying for them. Social engineering plans like Obama’s mandatory plan of 0-5 infant education, that thinks the school is a better teacher than Parents.
A belief that government needs strong gun control legsilation so that we can be protected from hurting ourself with our own guns.
I hear GW Bush’s rhetoric in Obama’s message I will listen to everybody and then make my own decisions based on my agenda.
For the first time in my life I will not vote in 2008. This is not raw feelings. This is not something that will change when faced with 4 more years of Bush. I think all these political pundits are wrong. A nonvote is a vote. Obama says he can win this without us white working class people, let him.

Posted by: Julie | May 15, 2008, 12:42 pm 12:42 pm

Della, your boy, Obama, has ALREADY pulled this country apart! Remember, he played the “race” card, stating “typical” white people. He started the race business and now he is paying for it. But now, he’s trying to suck up to the white people because he knows he was wrong…the only problem now is that WE DON’T CARE! The damage was already done and now he will pay for it by losing the election. No matter how hard he tries, he will NEVER get the white-blue collar vote, the Catholic vote, nor the Jewish vote. Once a loser, ALWAYS a loser…..sorry Obama, maybe in 2016…that could be your year, but not 2008!

Posted by: david from texas | May 15, 2008, 12:44 pm 12:44 pm

Hi People:
Don’t you see that Edwards move to back Obama is a move to be Obama running mate as VP? He indirectly suggested that he could get the white blue collars and women as well as Hillary did for Obama, and Obama would consider it as a solution instead of asking Hillary to be on the ticket with him. Obama fears Hillary.
Edwards is an opportunist politician, don’t be fooled by this guy who used to run after the ambulances
Dr. Hung H. Phan, President
Asian American Concerned Citizen League

Posted by: Dr. Hung H. Phan | May 15, 2008, 12:48 pm 12:48 pm

EXCELLENT POST, DR. PHAN!

Posted by: david from texas | May 15, 2008, 12:55 pm 12:55 pm

After all the strategic maneuvering to chart out the best course to eliminate Hillary Clinton, the latte losers club still hasn’t been able to accomplish their goal.
They’ve pulled out all the stops, from a concerted media bias and a flood of perfectly timed latte-left endorsements, to the opportunistic disenfranchisement of millions of voters, but still they haven’t sealed the deal. In an interview yesterday about Edwards endorsement, Richardson confirmed the latte losers club credo. When asked why he decided to support Obama after the Clinton’s had been so good to him, he replied: “Remember, I was also running against her in the primaries.” There it is- The manifest motivation was, and still is, to defeat Hillary.
For McGovern, Kerry, Kennedy, Dean, Richardson, and Edwards the means to minimize their own presidential losses was to beat HER. It’s all about losing to a woman- a moderate democrat whose husband won the presidency not once, but twice. The fact that she’s smarter and stronger than any of them will ever be made their mission even more imperative. The only thing they didn’t count on was the sheer volume of her electoral support.
They may still reach their goal with Obama as their nominee, but it’s like winning a battle only to lose the war. If they succeed in facilitating Hillary’s loss, they’ll lose millions of her supporters to McCain. Our loyalty is deep, and our memories are long.

Posted by: Emily | May 15, 2008, 1:28 pm 1:28 pm

I just love watching Clinton supporters whine about something as political as an endorsement. If I’m not mistaken over 200 Super Delegates endorsed Senator Clinton before Super Tuesday and from states that had yet to vote.
Get over it Clintonites!

Posted by: InterestedObserver | May 15, 2008, 1:33 pm 1:33 pm

edwards endorsing obama doesn’t really hurt the clinton campaign and it doesn’t even help the obama campaign. edwards just endorsed obama so he could be the VP. if hillay was ahead in Super delegates, pledge delegates or popular vote, edwards would endorse clinton. he is not looking at the policies he just wants to be the VP. one thing is for sure that he won’t make a good running mate. he didn’t make a good running mate in 2004. it won’t even help the democratic party. obama is not experienced edwards a loser what makes us think that they both are going to unite the party. if obama gets the nominee he should consider clinton as a running mate so he could have support of the white- collar voters, older people middle class voters and eve catholics. these votes could help the democrats win the white house in november.

Posted by: Dr. politics | May 15, 2008, 1:38 pm 1:38 pm

David, when you point your finger at Sen. Obama and call him a bigot, there are three fingers pointing back at you.
Why don’t you just admit that you can’t stand the thought of a black man becoming president? Folks like you have acted like the Rev. Wright is some kind of monster. The real monster is sitting in the White House right now, trying to orchestrate another needless war while giving hard-working honest Americans the finger as the oil companies continue to rake us over. Instead of making Sen. Obama out to be the bad guy because of the color of his skin, why not take a good hard look at who’s in office now and expend your anger on him? No president has done more damage to America than Bush, but the same loonies keep foaming at the mouth about the “harm” an Obama presidency would cause. Get on board or get out of the way.

Posted by: Girgadis | May 15, 2008, 1:59 pm 1:59 pm

Dr. Politics, you freaking hypocrite! If John Edwards had endorsed Senator Clinton you would be dancing in the streets. He endorsed Senator Obama and suddenly he’s a poor running mate. If Senator Obama runs that dishonest, manipulate, disingenuous Senator Clinton as the V.P. he is nuts!

Posted by: InteresedObserver | May 15, 2008, 1:59 pm 1:59 pm

They may still reach their goal with Obama as their nominee, but it’s like winning a battle only to lose the war. If they succeed in facilitating Hillary’s loss, they’ll lose millions of her supporters to McCain. Our loyalty is deep, and our memories are long.
Posted by: Emily | May 15, 2008 1:28:01 PM
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Emily I love you more than Tony! Hillary supporters are the best people!
Great post and thanks for all your good insight.

Posted by: HP Boston | May 15, 2008, 2:00 pm 2:00 pm

So what are the odds Hillary goes independent? It worked for Joe Liebermann. My vote is still for Hillary.

Posted by: Debby | May 15, 2008, 2:02 pm 2:02 pm

The only problem with Edwards logic about bringing in the white vote is that he could not even win his own state. The Breck Girl is an opportunist, nothing more (…remember he’s an ambulance chasing lawyer?).
Our GOP choice might not be perfect, but at least he’ll protect the country from outsiders that would do us harm – hope the same can be said for protection against the spineless Hate and blame America Democrats.

Posted by: Bob New Bern NC | May 15, 2008, 2:04 pm 2:04 pm

So what are the odds Hillary goes independent? It worked for Joe Liebermann. My vote is still for Hillary.
Posted by: Debby | May 15, 2008 2:02:25 PM
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We will send her money, lots, please God help Hillary run as an independent, you can send money too GOD!

Posted by: HP Boston | May 15, 2008, 2:05 pm 2:05 pm

OBTW – I do not see Obama as a black man per-say (sp?). Yes, I’m excited for the black community, but I’d rather see Michael Steele (GOP’er from MD)then this upstart.
I just see him as another politician with very, very bad ideas and judgement.
Ditto for Hillary, very, very bad ideas – SHE is not in the model of Margret Thacher or any of the other excellent female leaders of foreign countries.

Posted by: Bob New Bern NC | May 15, 2008, 2:09 pm 2:09 pm

HP Boston: Thanks! Hillary supporters are cool, no doubt. I’m about 2 1/2 hours from you in NY.
I’ve considered the ideas posted on this and other threads regarding “writing in” Hillary’s name or continuing her bid as an Independent candidate. The problem with write-ins may be that those votes could transfer to Obama (if he’s the nominee). We need to check this out with the board of elections. As for her run as an Indy, my fear is that the votes may end up impeding McCain rather than Obama. I’m just not certain how this might work. It may work, though. We’ll have to find out… My other concern is that the pressure is mounting for Obama to ask her to run as VP. The dilemma would then involve abandoning our principles to cast a vote for him. Ugh. The thought of him taking credit for all her hard work and productive initiatives makes me ill.

Posted by: Emily | May 15, 2008, 3:02 pm 3:02 pm

Emily, I think that’s a great idea! Let’s all write in Hillary’s name and ensure John McCain becomes President. WTH!
Bob, Michael Steele as President? Are you kidding me?

Posted by: InterestedObserver | May 15, 2008, 3:20 pm 3:20 pm

I’m beginning to like James Carville, his ability to be loyal, yet flexible is admirable. He is loyal to the party and not the person. I think I’ll take a page from his book, and if Clinton somehow becomes the nominee I will support her too.

Posted by: MyAudacity | May 15, 2008, 3:26 pm 3:26 pm

Carville is a good Democrat – whatever that’s turning out to be. As for me, this life-long democrat will be signing up for the ‘straight talk express’ if Clinton is not the nominee. I’m hearing that I’ve got lots of company too.

Posted by: s. valenti | May 15, 2008, 3:33 pm 3:33 pm

I’m going to say something as a woman that may not get posted. But the vitrolic anger, and the unreasonable posts that I have read by several of Hillary’s female supporter’s does more harm to women than is helpful, even to her. While you are attempting to consolidate power, you are actually diminishing it, because the status quo the men are not going to give in to your form of blackmail. This is NOT about gender, nor should it be about race….but it’s about which party can move this country forward……I think the Democratic Party can be that party of choice, and we will be, you can either come along, or move on over to the other Party that have us in this quagmire of wars upon more wars. Don’t you know when the sitting President attack a party that indicates how concerned they are that the Democrats will win the Whitehouse, and implement better policies. At this point, we need to be united in the Party no matter who the nominee will be.
Women, don’t throw away your power, use it wisely!

Posted by: MyAudacity | May 15, 2008, 3:36 pm 3:36 pm

The Edwards endorsement was timed to try to turn the page from Obama’s disastrous loss in W. Virginia. I don’t think Edwards will be much of a draw for Obama. Working class voters see another elitist and they won’t be fooled.
And the backlash! How many more Clinton supporters are digging in their heels. We’re exquisitely sensitive to slights toward Clinton as this process plays out.

Posted by: s. valenti | May 15, 2008, 3:40 pm 3:40 pm

Although I am a conservative, I have had a great deal of admiration for my fellow southerner John Edwards. I have considered him perhaps the best liberal in public life. I voted for him in the 2004 Preferential Primary and went to the Capitol to hear his speech.
But I am extremely disappointed by his endorsement of Barack Obama for President. I could understand him endorsing Hillary Clinton (I want her to defeat Obama and she would certainly be no worse than McCain as President), or remaining neutral.
I cannot approve of Edwards endorsing the first actual Marxist with a chance of becoming President. Like another poster, I have always seen Edwards as a champion of folks like West Virginians, and his endorsement of Obama is an insult to their actions last Tuesday.
I still hope he will not be a part of Obama’s reprehenisble administration. That would be the final insult to those of us who have admired John Edwards up until now.

Posted by: RPhillips | May 15, 2008, 3:58 pm 3:58 pm

MyAudacity – Get in the real world – women have not power. If you turn to jello and not fight back it will never be a reality for any woman.

Posted by: C Good | May 15, 2008, 3:58 pm 3:58 pm

If the majority of the country has spoken and is interested in Barack Obama running for POTUS, is he supposed to just give it up and withdraw? Racism is alive and well judging from some of the comments written her!

Posted by: Npfran | May 15, 2008, 3:58 pm 3:58 pm

Hooray for John and Elizabeth Edwards for putting the unity of the American people above smaller issues. As for Hillary, she is still spending megabucks she hasn’t got (except in the private dynastic Clinton vault) to save her face and to position herself for the 2012 race. But she expects Obama’s campaign to pay these mountains of debts that she is even now piling up to make her point. NO! We Obama supporters did not give our hard earned dollars to pay for Hillary Macbeth’s vanity fantasy-victory laps. Enough already. Super-delegates, follow Edwards’ leadership and end the madness now.

Posted by: shirlin | May 15, 2008, 4:34 pm 4:34 pm

It seems as if Hillary’s “Kitchen-sink” strategy includes resurrecting the pre-60s racist divide in America and it’s politic. Maybe she can improve her electability by announcing David Duke or Charles Manson as prospective running-mates. When they are elected the country could become the United States of “Hard-working white America”. The rest of us would be declared “Un-patriotic” and exiled too Canada.

Posted by: Frank | May 15, 2008, 5:16 pm 5:16 pm

Hillary is ahead of Obama, not the other way around, and Edwards’ “deal” is a pretty lousy deal. “Cut poverty in half in 10 years” is a joke, considering Obama won’t be in office in 10 years no matter what the spin.
In the late 60′s, we cut poverty a lot more than that in less than a year.

Posted by: Eridon | May 15, 2008, 5:22 pm 5:22 pm

Party bossess say it’s time to “unite” while they keep stirring it up.
This latest endorsement of Edwards on the heels of a major win in W. Va. is ludicrous — and so are the hilarious built-in contradictions of the raw deal.
Obama “holds hands across the aisle” and kills his own bill, and now Edwards is doing the same thing by endorsing him. What about the poor? What about all of us who so desperately need health insurance? Even people who HAVE health insurance don’t really have any such thing.

Posted by: Eridon | May 15, 2008, 5:27 pm 5:27 pm

la indiana you must be from gary. i wouldnt go to that town for nothing. i live in indiana in crown point gary is a nothing.

Posted by: delite820 | May 15, 2008, 7:23 pm 7:23 pm

This has been Obama’s strategy. Find some power player SD to support him when he is down. He got Richardson to endorse him immediately after the Wright story broke. He found SD’s after PA to support him in Indiana. He tried to get Evan Bayh in Indiana by spreading rumors about VP role. Kool aid drinkers will begin to puke soon if Obama becomes president because of his naive policies. I just cannot imagine how he will bring the troops home without generating the jobs they will need, how he will sustain their well being, how he will stimulate the economy and bring about health care reform. What a mess! People need jobs or they will get depressed and commit suicide! I would rather have us return home because we have achieved our purpose than have some naive president say the war is over so the soldiers need to come home without achieving milestones. It will be like having war inside the United States. Bush created the mess, we own it now and we better be careful with what we do with it.

Posted by: Voter | May 15, 2008, 8:28 pm 8:28 pm

Hillary’s supporters need to stop all that excessive crying and excessive blaming. In opinion, Hillary’s supporters are bunch of hateful buffoons, because they energize themselves by crying over trivial misperceived slights against Hillary. If they really want it to supporter her, they should get off their pantsuit wearing behinds and give Hillary’s campaign some money. Don’t tell me her supporters are broke, because they can go out and collect cans, if they don’t they are bunch of elites.

Posted by: suv2001 | May 15, 2008, 10:15 pm 10:15 pm

Which Democratic candidate is more electable?
Consider this:
This is how the Electoral College stands as of April 23, 2008, showing strengths of Clinton vs. Obama, based on their results. For those who have not understood, this is not a head-to-head matchup, but rather a side-by-side comparison.
This assumes a winner-take-all primary/caucus vote takes all Electoral votes for each state. The totals immediately below are WITHOUT any consideration of the states of Florida and Michigan.
Clinton 261
Obama 181
But with Florida and Michigan:
Clinton 305
Obama 181
Assuming the following victories, based on current polls, with Clinton winning Indiana, West Virginia, Kentucky, and Obama winning North Carolina, South Dakota, Oregon (which is doubtful), and Montana, the totals would then be, still without Florida and Michigan:
Clinton 285
Obama 209
Even with a victory for Obama in Indiana, the totals would be, still without Florida and Michigan:
Clinton 274
Obama 220
Please note that it takes 270 Electoral College votes to win the General Election.
Whether or not the vote turns out as indicated, I firmly believe the above analysis more than amply demonstrates which of the Democratic candidates is in a better position to be the stronger candidate in the General Election.

Posted by: Yavo Lem | May 15, 2008, 10:48 pm 10:48 pm

Things are NOT as they are made to appear.
For all the talk about “Super Delegates”, there is nothing “Super” about them. Just as everyone of us, they have one vote each. Their endorsement is just that, an endorsement. It is not a vote. They are not supposed to come into play unless there is a deadlocked convention, and in that case, they are expected to exercise their BEST JUDGMENT to cast their votes for that candidate they, in view of their extensive experience and political wisdom, think would be able to WIN the General Election. They are not supposed to be endorsing this or that candidate, BEFORE THEY VOTE AT THE CONVENTION. To do otherwise is to be false to the trust and responsibility that has been placed in and on them.
It would be better at this point if all the bickering supporters of each candidate looked at the number of ACTUAL PLEDGED DELEGATES allocated to their candidate on the basis of primaries and caucuses won. Those figures, as of May 14, 2008 (NY Times web site), for those who truly follow politics are:
Obama 1418
Clinton 1352
Diff. 66
Of the “surveyed” “Super Delegates”, of which there are approx. 795, there are at least 238 who have not “endorsed” any candidate, which is as it was intended to be. Again, an “endorsement” does not necessarily translate into a convention vote, since in theory “Super Delegates” are supposed to represent the wisdom of the party and are expected to be above the fray. Those who have endorsed, really should be stripped of their position and replaced by those who will act as intended. However, that is the responsibility of the DNC, which so far, has proven inadequate to discipline its own members.
The bottom line, “Super Delegate” endorsements should not be counted by candidates claiming that such an “endorsement” makes this person into a PLEDGED DELEGATE, for that is NOT THE CASE, and to think otherwise is to delude oneself and one’s followers. It is also wrong for the media to even report what “Super Delegates” are doing now, as they do not even come into play unless and until there is a DEADLOCKED CONVENTION.
However, there is nothing to prevent partisans from ‘counting chickens before they hatch”, nor is there anything to prevent the media from playing games with gullible people to increase interest in these silly stories.
As Yogi Berra once said, “It ain’t over, ’til it’s over”. And this fight is a long way from over.

Posted by: Yavo Lem | May 15, 2008, 10:50 pm 10:50 pm

Popular vote as of May 15, 2008
These figures INCLUDE Florida and Michigan, as they were fairly and legitimately earned by Senator Hillary Clinton, and have been validated by the respective Secretary’s of State.
Obama 16,680,827
Clinton 16,710,298
Total Diff. +29,471 (Clinton)
Pct. Diff. +0.08% (Clinton)
So, why SHOULD Hillary quit NOW?
Who do you think will be leading after next Tuesday?
Hint – See below:
Combined population of Oregon, Montana and South Dakota = 5,173,438
Combined population of Kentucky and Puerto Rico = 8,086,459

Posted by: Yavo Lem | May 15, 2008, 10:52 pm 10:52 pm

Turn out the lights the Party’s Over!
Time to go home, Hillary, and take
Bill with you!

Posted by: reaganfan | May 15, 2008, 11:41 pm 11:41 pm

mary: You’re living on Fantasy Island!
There is No Way that Hillary Clinton
would win a three-way race with
Obama and McCain!
Hillary and Obama would split the
Democrat votes and McCain would win
easily! Get Real!

Posted by: reaganfan | May 15, 2008, 11:44 pm 11:44 pm

Barack Hussein Obama should step down and go home. He is an emty suit , and will never be the president of the USA.The American people will not vote for him.Hillary will turn the economy around and bring prosperity in the country and healthcare for everyone. Hillary will be the next president.

Posted by: Moe | May 16, 2008, 12:22 am 12:22 am

How people forget so easily. Since Sen. Hillary beat Sen. Obama in racist W. Virginia (21% of W. Virginians confirmed they are racist), everyone has been talking about the margin of win by Hillary. It is not long ago that Obama beat Hillary in many states with more margins than what Hillary got in WV.
In Kansas Obama beat Hillary 74 to 26, 80 to 17 in Idaho, 75 to 25 in Alaska, 90 to 8 in Virgin Island, 76 to 24 in Hawaii and 75 to 24 in Washington D.C. Those with lesser margin – 55 to 27 in S. Carolina, Minnesota is 66 to 32, Illinois is 65 to 32, 66 to 31 in Georgia, Colorado is 67 to 32, Washington State is 68 to 31, Nebraska is 68 to 32, Maryland 61 to 36, Virginia 64 to 35, Mississippi 61 to 37 and Wyoming 61 to 38.
How many times did Hillary win with big margin? Compare and contrast, people. Let us stop this bickering and allow Hillary to exit at her own time. Nobody has the right to tell her when to quit. This is a free country.
You know what is so amazing is how much hope we have in the primary from Puerto Rico that will not even vote in the general election.
THIS ELECTION IS ABOUT DELEGATES NOT POPULAR VOTES.

Posted by: eezii | May 16, 2008, 12:59 am 12:59 am

eezii, most of the delegate counts that you list for Obama was based on rigged Caucases. Also, these primaries were held prior to the media vetting Obama. Obama has a lot of serious baggage (Wright, Rezko, Ayers, Michelle, elitist attitude, and etc).. Hillary had the momentum and won more big states. Other than North Carolina, she has been on a roll. You put it well, “Hillary needs to exit at her own time.” Obama’s folks and the Democratic party cronies have been working against the voters in trying to pressure her out by rolling out their VIP endorsements at inopportune time. They claim they want “party unity” but their actions have been otherwise.

Posted by: stacy | May 16, 2008, 3:26 am 3:26 am

First of all, the nerve of a person, in this case Obama, to put this country in a position of opening up buried hatred, anger and resentment, towards minorities, because of his selfish ego in seeking a job that he is in no way qualified to do, is sickening! Many early states never had the opportunity to hear what hidden secrets he hid from them like the 20 years of sermons he attended bashing America and nobody forced him to listen. There was no slavery in place that forced him to attend. He’s lived free in a country where if he chose to, could have spoken out against all this, AND HE DID NOT! INSTEAD GOT MARRIED, AND BAPTIZED HIS OWN KIDS THERE! TALK ABOUT PUTTING A STAMP ON IT! For Richardson and Edwards, to come out and stick a knife in Hillary’s back right after some of her best moments, tells us, they are NOT for Obama, but against a WOMAN in high office! Hillary is intelligent, ready, patriotic to the bone, and a fighter to the core for all Americans of all races! Has never run from debates, direct questions, and criticism of the press. She is not a quitter. She is tough! Obama cannot come up with solutions if his life depended on it and stumbles his way through everything. No wonder he runs from live debates or live press conferences. This is what we are to expect when he attends world leader’s conferences. Pitiful! It takes more than a big smile, shooting hoops, and nice suits to fill the shoes of the presidency. Most importantly, it takes brains, and he has one alright, a brain damaged by a past of drug use, which could account for his inabillity to put full thoughts and sentences together. His lead is not because of his qualifications, it’s because of his ability to smoothly deceive the early voting states. It’s because of his support by many who would rather have him because he’s a man, and clearly a vote against a VERY INTELLIGENT…… WOMAN!!! I’ll tell you one thing, if he does succeed in stealing this nomination he better use his last remaining undamaged brain cell and pick Hillary as his running mate or his career is over, because just like millions of other Hillary supporters, I too will not vote for him no matter who else he runs with, AND THAT IS A PROMISE!

Posted by: Rosa | May 16, 2008, 9:26 am 9:26 am

Right on, right on Rosa! Obama speaks pretty on his own terms, but avoids the iron cage of debate at all cost!!! As if to say i have more important things to do than give knowledgeable answers to you poor saps, so you wont see who Iam til Iam elected into history!
Love, Adrian

Posted by: Adrian C. Witherspoon | May 16, 2008, 1:25 pm 1:25 pm

I am still waiting for someone to tell me how or when Obama is racist(maybe Rev Wright’s comments make him guilty by association, by the way Hillary supporters, the Clinton’s attended his service and have spoke well of him before the current bruhaha, and ), how Michelle is hateful(finally feeling pride DOES NOT imply hatefulness before the pride),or Obama is Marxist. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT A MARXIST IS!!
Not even the Soviets were true Marxist! Obama is NOT EVEN the most liberal Senator let alone a Marxist.

Posted by: Mark | May 16, 2008, 2:11 pm 2:11 pm

Edwards endorsement of Mr. O makes a very strong statement on what kind of a politician he really is: dirty, cold, callous, empty! I personally wrote Senator Edwards asking him to endorse Hillary Clinton, who I believe is the most qualified democratic canidate running for President. I never heard a word back from him. Oddly enough the day after he endorsed Mr.O I receive a email for Senator Edwards wanting a contribution for a program he is supporting. I feel he should have stayed neutral like he said that he would do, in an interview just a few days prior. But no, he wanted to show his power, and ego especially after Hillary won big in W.V.
I believe in the end Hillary will come out on top and win!

Posted by: Mira Vergonha | May 16, 2008, 7:19 pm 7:19 pm

Mrs Clinton doesnt need edwards, he couldnt do anything for himself!!! The band wagon is rolling obama needed a parn reached for a smooth move to place after w.va! Edwards means nothing! She will be great, and is a great nominee against the likes of mccain! obama has alot of old heads whispering in his ear, they will have to continue doing so if he at all becomes pres. because he has not a clue! Then, when you think about it those that are whispering; all wanted to be pres but didnt make it!!! Ooops! Mrs Clinton has a whisperer too!!! A two time winner straight up, I pray for God to step in to put a cap on it all for the good of us all and the world watching!! Mrs Hillery Clinton for president!!! Mira, i too feel she will come out on top!!! Love, Adrian

Posted by: Adrian C. Witherspoon | May 16, 2008, 10:25 pm 10:25 pm

You think so, Carville? Like Judas helped Jesus?

Posted by: eezii | May 16, 2008, 10:52 pm 10:52 pm

Stacy,
You are quite right, Sen. Obama was not vetted then. Now he has been vetted he won a big state like North Carolina handily and nearly ekked out a win in Indiana.
I said it before, No one has a right to tell Hillary when to quit. She can stay as long as she wants campaigning for the democratic primary election even after November. This is America my dear and we all have rights to do what we want when we want.

Posted by: eezii | May 16, 2008, 11:00 pm 11:00 pm

He helped Obama get a handful of new superdelegates, but he also show a very unattractive side of the Dems party. The powers behind puppet-Obama are doing too good a job marginalizing Hillary Clinton: The woman behind the Man, and a party leader for more than 30 years. Hillary has voters, a bunch of them and Obama is a black-John-Kerry: A candidate that won’t survive the frontrunner spotlight. In fact Obama lost a majority of states since Texas. This election is not over: Let people vote, and count the people’s vote in Florida and Michigan if you want them to go Democratic in November. I’m sorry Obama, but you can’t get away from Hillary just by wishing it!

Posted by: scabo | May 17, 2008, 7:39 am 7:39 am

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