Clinton Demands Florida, Michigan Votes Count

If you believe in Jeffersonian democracy, then, an election is determined by majority by the principle of one person one vote.

Hillary Clinton agreed to
disenfranchise both states before
the primary season began!
She can’t have a do-over now!

See, there’s one little known fact that the nasty/sexist political commentators keep forgetting about: Clinton’s need not play by the rules; they can change them whenever it serves their purpose, and there is no limit as to how audacious it may be to the other players or the common sense of the American people…

Hundreds of years? That I know of, she’s the first woman to run for president. Okay… anyone can be a “monster”–men or women. Annie Oakley??! Did you prefer to use “Indiana Jones” or “GI Joe”?? Glen Close character? So what, let’s argue the racist bid then…? Hasn’t Obama been the target of racism??

Obama has not won the election even if he stands on his head and eats a banana. Hillary has won the popular vote regardless of what the party says and If she does not win then John McCain.

I have to view this as little more than “poisoning the well” against Obama for the general election campaign.
Clinton could have given just this sort of speech in Michigan, which has proposed a compromise solution to the DNC, but that would have entailed her campaigning AGAINST the state’s own proposed compromise.
In truth, seating the Florida delegates as per its outlaw primary does Clinton no real good, or, at least, not enough good to matter in the end.  The + 38 delegates she might get out of Florida under her best case scenario will not approach Obama’s delegate lead, nor will the popular vote differential be enough to put her over the top.
It’s Michigan that she needs, but it’s to Florida that she goes, stalking Obama there as he tries to somehow make “peace” with the Florida voters, but skipping over her opportunity to challenge the Michigan compromise in Michigan when Obama was there. 

I suppose it is beyond what you so highly educated BHO fans could remotely comprehend. HRC is campaigning to help BHO to get the MI and FL counted so that he could remotely have a shot at it, although it is all but certain that BHO will lose anyhow.
You are not gonna win back the poor, less-educated, bitter people. They will go back to cling their guns and God.

IF SHE WAERE AHEAD IN DELAGATES THEN IT WOULD BE THE DELAGATE COUNT THAT MATTERS, NOT POP VOTES. SHE IA A CHEAT,CHEAT,CHEAT I CAN’T BELEIVE THIS WOMAN HAS ANY SUPPORTERS

Uh, this is a private political party primary. This has nothing to do with “voting rights.”
As someone stated quite eloquently, the party could draw straws to pick a candidate.
Primary’s are not in the US Constitution.

Clinton’s call to seat the delegates of Florida and Michigan really appear to be self serving……

president
doesnt hillary need obama too?
after all she is losing

bhrandon,
For what exactly?

I heard that Obama wants to take over the DNC I say let him have it

I was undecided before watching this woman in action. Now I don’t understand how anyone would even want to be around her. What is wrong with this woman? Everything she’s done in her campaign shows that she’s not capable or worthy of the position — not that the other candidates are either, but she’s in a class by herself!

President,
You are wrong, they both favored a revote in MI. Obama wanted to do it according to the RULES and let everyone vote. Clinton wanted to exclude anyone who didn’t vote that day. We had low voter turn out here in MI. It’s was held Jan. 15 and we had a snow storm that day, about 3-5 inches. No one went to vote unless they had something important on the ballot in their city.
So anyone who didn’t vote, couldn’t vote. Count ALL the votes, huh?

Hillary can’t steal it at this point. It is already over. According to many insiders, the undeclared superdelegates have always been heavily in favor of Obama. They were just afraid to come out against the volatile Clintons, lest she win, then personally bury them in the party in a mass grave. McCain is even more vindictive. He doesn’t just carry a grudge, multiple corroborated stories in the media indicate that he’ll beat you over the head with it first, and then go behind your back to make sure that you are black-balled for life. McCain and Hillary really are quite alike, at least in temperament and political style. I’m so glad that we’ll be spared both of their dictatorial and intimidator styles of leadership after November.

The whole panel last night on CNN was all gloom and doom as they discussed how exit polling spells mucho trouble for Obama in the general election. David Gergen looked like he wanted to cry.
People are starting to work on their electoral maps and see that Obama cannot win.
President McCain – get use to it!!

Obama is trying to steal Hillary’s victory. Obama is flying too high when he declares himself the winner. All states should vote in all elections before the winner is declared and it should go to the convention if necessary.

Some of the panel last night said Hillary should go to her voters and say “If you’re voting for me because Obama is black, then I don’t want your vote!”
THAT’s how much trouble these Obama loving journalists realize Obama is in.
Suck it up MSM. If people want to vote for Hillary because Obama is a black man…I have news for you…..THAT IS THEIR RIGHT!!!

Hillary’s victory??????

David Gergen is kinda like Jelly Bean Dean.

Louis,
She is no longer arguing about pledged delegates. She knows she can’t catch him even with FL/MI.
She is now demanding the only metric be the popular vote that doesn’t include caucus state votes with any accuracy and which would give Obama ZERO in MI, and last but certainly not least Puerto Rico.
She is throwing down on the DNC. Let’s see if they have the chachas to body slam her this time.

Vanessa, actually people will claim they’re voting for Obama and won’t. That’s how it has worked so far.
But nice try.

I won’t ever forget the way the press acted they were all in the tank for Obama from the start they trashed Hillary .

biciahpol,
And you guys didn’t want to stick to the rules in 2000 when you wanted that illegal recount only in certain areas, AND wanted votes to count AFTER certification.
Looks like YOU are the hypocrites. Lol.
You lose.

All voices should be counted no matter who agreed to what. Most of my family lives in FL. We should have a say…! !

If a voter casts thier vote of thier own free will it should be counted. Party rules should not disenfranchise a voter. The Primary was moved up by the Republicans.

Jan’s comment: I am sure there were millions of voters who didn’t go to the polls because they thought the vote wouldn’t count? Aren’t they just as disenfranchised?
My opinion Jan is that they CHOSE not to vote which is far different than those who did vote and not likely will not be counted, for either side.

“America is a downright mean country”
Michelle Obama 2008
Hey Michelle, we think you’re mean and we don’t want you for First Lady.
How about them apples?! Lol.

There’s one simple answer to all of this. REVOTE !

Tony, I was just showing you gaffes that make it impossible for you to present Obama as such a smart guy.
That’s all we hear is how smart he is, and how dumb Bush is.
Sorry, you lose again.
Next.

GA, go read the people who are studying the electoral maps for the general election.
They say it’s almost impossible for Obama to win. They go through the reasons in much detail.
But go ahead and fool yourself — just as you did in 2000 and 2004. It’s your grief, not mine.

Obama is trying to declare hinself president without the endorsement of his like an uncle, spiritual advisor Rev. Wright.

The math doesn’t add up. A constant theme circulated by pundits and papers arguing that Hillary should drop out and let Obama focus on the general election. I couldn’t agree more that the focus by all should be on the general election and before it’s too late. The problem is there are two math problems – the convoluted primary math problem made up of 48 states and caucuses (which arguably give a grossly disproportionate amount of delegates per actual votes)and the general election math problem which is far more logical and arguably the problem we all should zero in on – no caucuses, all 50 states (the latter is the math problem Hillary is working on and why she is in this race to the end). The superdelegates of the democratic party were given a responsibility – to fairly judge each candidate to determine who is most electable in the general election. To judge which candidate is most likely to win the electoral college. Key states for the general election are WV, KY, FL, PA, TX and OH. These states are essential for the democratic candidate to secure. We know who won these states yet the media has chosen to ignore this critical math. Another issue the media seems to discount are the millions of angry voters who feel disenfranchised to the point of switching parties. May 31st is a pivotal decision day for democrats and republicans – both parties will anxiously await to see how the delegates will be seated in Florida and Michigan. Over 2 million voters right now have been silenced and feel ignored. Maybe a moot point now, but this has impacted Hillarys momentum in the primary to a exponential degree. It was a huge disadvantage to her campaign to no be able to count these delegates from the beginning and build on this win. With a race so close (population vote neck and neck, with Hillary ahead), it is essential to count every vote. The point of a primary is to judge how the candidate performs to determine who is best equipped to win the general election – the fact is the DNC will not admit that punishing Florida and Michigan is only punishing themselves. Florida and Michigan have no incentive to vote for Obama because he has not shown any interest in hearing their voice. So let’s give those two to McCain. Now with obamas comments on clinging to guns and religion, he has handed Pennsylvania over to McCain. Kentucky, Ohio and West Virginia were landslide victories for HRC where the demographic is more likely to swing towards McCain than Obama. Loyalists in New York, Arkansas and across the country will vote for McCain – stick out the 4 years – and then await Hillary to run in 2012. Southern states other than arkansas will vote republican. Add it up. How can Obama win this? It seems forcing Obama into the democratic nomination is only to make a statement now and deal with the consequences later – yes it says a black man can do anything, as the similar statement can be made of women if Hillary is the nominee. We need to get past the gender and race excitement and focus right now on the individual – their record, their character, their baggage, their agenda, their solutions, their electibility – and make the decision that can ultimately hand the white house back to the democratic party. As much as you hear McCain is 4 more years of Bush, the fact is he is far from Bush. He is a war hero and an established successful senator with a powerful record – appealing to republicans and independents. He has a plan to end the war by 2013 and he has a realistic approach to foreign policy – something Bush and Obama lack. Despite what pundits say on the cable news, Democrats are not guaranteed the white house just because America is exhausted by 8 years of Bush and desperate for change. The fact is all 3 candidates will be a change from the last 8 years – the question is which direction of change do we want to go – and judging by the general election math question – this question of direction will either go the way of Hillary or John McCain. It is up to the DNC on May 31st and the superdelegates on June 3rd to determine this path of change for the betterment of the democratic party and the future of this country.

Hillary had it her way, and got it put to her just face it lady you have been beat. Obama is the the Democrats chose. VOTE REPUBLICAN IN 2008 THE DEMOCRATS CAN’T DECIDE VOTE McCain!!!

At least 1/2 of Hillary supporters will have no problem staying home or voting for McCain so they can see Hillary run again in 2012. McCain is not Bush – at least that’s what the media has told us for years and years.
THAT is just ONE of the reasons Obama will lose, and lose BIG.

How would each of you like it if someone told you not to bother voting. You are NOT included in this process here in the United States of America. This race is not over until everyone VOTE IS COUNTED. The media doesn’t determine the if the campaign is over. The delegate count is not a deciding issue unless the 2209 is reached anything other then that means it goes to the convention to be decided. Plain and Simple!
That what you call democracy!
WHAT IS EVERYONE SO AFRAID OF?
THAT THE COUNRTY WILL BE DIVIDED?
NEWSFLASH: WE ALREADY ARE. A STRONG LEADER WILL BRING THE COUNTRY TOGETHER.

Jo said, “Obama will lose, and lose BIG.” YEAH… RIGHT. That’s why Obama holds an 8 point lead over McCain in the latest Zogby national poll. Obama will lose all right. Lose himself right into the White House!
OBAMA ’08.

HRC needs to accept the reality that the DNC made the rule change and that is FINAL!!! Any change will result in a lawsuit I promise you. There will be NO rule changes at this time. HRC is a complete JOKE to expect this now. She is Dishonest and has ZERO character. Anyone who supports her is a total LOSER and obviously has NO competence or intelligence. Of course the data indicates HRC supports are High School dropouts or convicted felons or on welfare. Wake up USA, HRC is the worst thing that could happen to this country short of an asteroid impact!

Hillary, we support you for the party’s nomination and we look forward to electing you as the first Woman President of the United States of America. You truly represent our hopes and aspirations. Your efforts to have the votes of Florida and Michigan are only right. These are Americans. Your opponent disses Small-Town America, rural America, and the apparent working white class for why did he ignore the Americans of West Virginia. Thank you being strong and true to our values.

ana,
I couldn’t agree with you more. Count ALL the votes.

POP QUIZ KIDS:
ROUND ONE:
Q:Who is HRC’s Michigan State Campaign Chair?
A: Jennifer Granholm
ROUND TWO:
Q. Who is the Govenrnor of Michigan?
A. Jennifer Granholm
ROUND THREE:
Q. Who voted to move MI Primary, in violation of DNC Rules and aware of the sanctions to be imposed?
A. Michigan Governor Jennifer Granholm
BONUS ROUND:
Q. Which Michigan Super Delegate endorsed Hillary Clinton LAST FALL?
A. Michigan Governor Jennifer Granholm.
Any one else see a pattern here???
It’s so Karl Rove.

George said, “I find it absolutely pathetic and appalling that many Hillary Clinton supporters would rather vote for war monger McCain” — George, most of the people telling you to vote for McCain are Republicans pretending to be Democrats.
This is part of Rush Limbaugh’s Operation Chaos plan. You can GOOGLE for the details, but Limbaugh is instructing his listeners to pose as Clinton supporters in an attempt to steal votes for McCain. Limbaugh thinks Democrats are dumb enough to believe this garbage and vote for McCain over Obama.

Almost half the voters in Michigan voted for nobody to keep from voting for her and who knows how many stayed home. She wants to count her votes and give Obama zero. She actually wants us to believe giving her 100% of Michigan is the will of the voters. Michigan voters don’t want that. Oh, and if your state system is a caucus you don’t count at all in her math. This woman is insane. I’m a white woman over 50, working class, and all that but PLEASE… can’t she manage a little bit of integrity?

ya know, I mean like OMG, I just Luv Obama, I mean, like he is like soooooo cute and Hilary is like so, like my mother and like who cares about issues anyway, I mean like, me and my bff are like soooo into Obama cause you know like he’s half white AND half black and that is like sooooo cool and all these people that like don’t like him are like soooo stupid.

I noticed that Kentucky’s exit polling reflected over 40% of Democrats said they would not vote for Obama if he were the nominee. That is wonderful news to all of us and it is becoming a pattern. The Dems backing Obama are using him to insult white Americans. We must unite to beat them in November, regardless of party. McCain isn’t great, but Obama is an insult.

OBAMA DON’T NEED HILLARY HER SUPPORTERS WANTS HER TO BE PRESIDENT NOT VP.THE PERCENTAGE OF HER SUPPORTERS WHO SAID THEY WOULD NOT SUPPORT OBAMA PROBABLY WON’T. SO SHE WOULD NOT BE BENEFICIAL TO THE TICKET. THEY WOULD VOTE FOR MCCAIN SO HILLARY CAN RUN AGAIN IN 2012.
THEY WOULD BE WILLING TO GIVE THEIR COUNTRY TO THE REPUBLICANS FOR 4 MORE YEARS JUST OUT OF SPITE I JUST DON’T TRUST HILLARY OR HER SUPPORTERS.

How can Clinton rightfully claim the votes that she received in Michigan when Obama’s name was not even on the ballot. The Clintons always believe that they are above the rules…even when they agreed to them. The Clintons are the true ELITESTS who think that they are above the rules and above the law as pander to the uneducated to keep themselves in power.

Think said, “Hillary Clinton’s campaign is $31 MILLION in debt. The only reason she’s staying in the race is so that SUCKERS LIKE YOU donate more to her campaign so that she can pay off her bills and bow out.” That is actually a very good point! How in the heck is she going to pay off that $31 million? She HAS to stay in the race and try to get as many contributions as possible, or else her and her husband are in some SERIOUS debt. Unbelievable.

      “She must believe the DNC and super delegates don’t
      have the cajones to stand up to her. I wonder if she is
      right?”
      DISHEARTENED | May 21, 2008 5:06:10 PM
If it were mine to decide….  I’d halve the Florida delegates, pledged and super, along the lines of the Republicans’ punishment to Florida, and go with the 69-59 split proposed by Michigan (crediting Obama with the “undecided” votes there).  Net to Clinton + 48 pledged delegates.  She’s currently 150 + pledged delegates behind Obama, so that would come under the “no harm, no foul” classification for Obama.  No way for it to affect the outcome, and hard for Clinton to bitch about with a straight face.  (Not that continuing the bitchin’ would actually be a problem for Clinton.)

I CAN SEE THIS CAMPAIGN GOING ALL THE WAY TO THE CONVENTION. THERE, OBAMA WILL BE NOMINATED. CLINTON FORMS HER OWN PARTY AND WINS THE ELECTION. IF SHE FORMS HER OWN PARTY, SHE DOES NOT NEED OBAMA. SHE WILL BEAT OBAMA AND MCCAIN IN THE GENERAL. THE WRITING IS ON THE WALL PEOPLE. GO HILLARY IN 08.

It’s really quite simple, if you want to play you have to play by the rules. If you don’t follow the rules you don’t get to play. Any questions?

Beth,
SC and NH were given permission to have early primaries.
That is why FL/MI were punished. The DNC wanted a cross section for the first four primaries. They were hoping to involve more people in the process.
That worked out real well didn’t it.
Rules are rules. Hill agreed to them. PERIOD.

It was never a question if they would be counted,,,it was always why wouldn’t Obama allow revotes…
Who in the world really wanted to disenfranchise these two states? Stripping them of 100% of their delegates was a totally irrational move. Legally and legislatively stopping revotes was the wrong thing for Obama to do.
So now Democrats chances for winnoing these 2 states are fast slipping away…and Obama went to Florida and never mentioned the topic.
Crowds and money are not always the best indicators of what is really going on.
I just wrote another letter (he obviously didn’t read the first) to Howard Dean in response to another plea for donations to the DNC. It said “Count the Votes”

to PhilBgood. really, you have to play by the rules. does the name george. w. bush ring a bell. kinda shoots your idea all to sh– doent it.

Jimt said, ” CLINTON FORMS HER OWN PARTY AND WINS THE ELECTION.” RIIIGHT. So, Clinton will form her own party, starting out with $31 MILLION in debt from her current campaign. So, she spends June, July, and August recovering from the $31 MILLION in debt, and picks up a few more million for the election in November. Meanwhile, Obama gets another $100 million in donations, and repeats his 80,000 strong crowds across the country in speeches, while Clinton gathers a few hundred for hers. Sure. You’re right. Clinton has a shot.

Ok…who’s being totally stupid here? How do you fairly count the votes of MI, when Obama’s name wasn’t even on the ba;llot in the first place. Does Hillary have any idea what sort of a lop sided deal she thinks she’s entitled to here? Does she think we all have “stupid” stamped on our foreheads?

Counting the votes of those who voted, and not cpunting the votes of the people who stayed away from the polls in reliance on the rules, turns the people who stayed home into disenfranchised chumps. Now that isn’t very democratic, very fair, or very nice, is it?

Most of the people I know did not vote in FL because they knew their vote wouldn’t count. The only fair way count FL is a revote or a compromise.

So now Obama team is willing to compromise? Why didn’t they say the same up front 2 months ago? They want to lure FL and MI votes, and they already crowned Obama as the nominee, so why not just give whatever makes Clinton happy? This is all about political games! Anything & everything said and done by Obama and his team have been forgiven or totally ignored or always have explanations, yet Clintons are viewed never right, even good things done and said by Clintons would be viewed as evil minded. What is wrong with this election and the stupid dem party?

Hillary has been a divisive and polarizing candidate from the beginning. Today she has threatened to take the Fl, and Mi. issue to the convention if she doesn’t get what “she” wants from the rules committe. A committee stacked with 13 of the 30 members committed to her and lead by her chief backroom sleaze Harold the “Ick”!
Its not enough she has engineered division between black and downscale whites, women and men, older and younger. Now she wants to divide democrates in Fl and MI, from the remainder of the party.
She will never support anything that is fair because it doesn’t suit her purpose.
The fair solution is to seat the pledged delegates but NO SUPERDELEGATES!
These are the ones who decided no revote and caused the problem in the first place.
That way the innocent voters aren’t punished and the fat cat politicians who created this situation would be.
This however will never fly because it doesn’t help Hillary enough!
What a crock!

Oh sure, here we go again! LOL!
Anytime someone does not want to belly up to the bar and drink the kool-aid it is because we are racist or sore losers. You need to try and grasp reality for a change. I read someone who described your guy as an infection. Perfect!
Some of us love our country too much to let that infection spread.

ga. didnt teddy roosevelt become the president eventually? thought so.

JIMT–
What are you smokin’, I want some.
Hillary has until June 2nd to petition to get her name on ballots in 50 states in order to run as an independent.
Do you see that happening? Even if she did, she couldn’t win.
Dude, the party is split in half–McCain would win in a landslide. You must have taken the same math class Hillary did.

Go ahead and count the flawed FL election results:
50% for ‘Hilarious’: “Please send me your 11 year old’s bike money.”
33% for Mr. ‘Wright’
14% for the Namby Pamby redneck eye blinker.
Now,
Edwards’ 14% will go to Obama making him achieve 47%.
WHOA: IT’S A WASH. Shut up Clinton.
Pathetic waste of time.

WE OBAMA SUPPORTERS NEED YOU HILLARY SUPPORTERS. FORGET THE MEDIA THE PUNDITS AND ALL THAT STUFF. WE NEED EACH OTHER. THE ONLY THING JOHN MCCAIN HAS ARE WHITE MEN. LOOK AT WHAT WE HAVE YOUTH, BLACKS, HISPANICS, COLLEGE EDUCATED, WHITE WOMEN, AND OLDER WOMEN. TOGETHER WE CAN BEAT HIM. 40 MILLION PEOPLE HAVE VOTED IN THE PRIMARIES
YES WE CAN DEMS 08

Angry Woman said, “OBVIOUSLY, OBAMA CANNOT GET THE WHITE VOTE”
HUH? Obama won Oregon by a 60-40 margin. There are like 3 black people in the entire state of Oregon! Most EVERYONE that voted for Obama in Oregon was white. Obama has gotten out the vote for all races, both genders. That is why he was able to get 80,000 people to hear him speak in Oregon last weekend, and it is why he has the smarts and appeal to win the Presidency. It is no wonder Obama is 8 points ahead of McCain in the latest national Zogby poll. OBAMA ’08. YES WE CAN!

Tiger,
So now Obama team is willing to compromise? Why didn’t they say the same up front 2 months ago?
Because they just figured out with their educated people around them that they need them for November. So is kiss a## time.

IF YOU people put mcain in the whithouse after the last 8 years you all should be ashamed of yourself. really

At a debate just ahead of the MI primary, Clinton was asked why she didn’t have her name removed from the ballot and her answer was that it was a mistake, clerical error, that she (her staff) didn’t get to it… and now that mistake is what she’s demanding to be final word in the nomination… is that what we deserve? Another mistake in the White House?

Eric,
Most Oregon voters vote like black people. Oregon voters are an exception, not the norm.

One of the most accurate sites to use to follow election trends is http://www.electoral-vote.com/. A great resource during the last two presidential elections.

jimt—
You are wrong. The DNC does not absorb the debt. Look it up.
What will likely happen is she will be able to roll the money she has raised for the general into her senate campaign and then roll her debts from this into her senate campaign fund.
However, that $11.4 mill she loaned herself, that is toast. She gets $250,000 of it.
But the DNC does not absorb it, ever.

jimt: From ABC News 05-21-08, ‘Paying herself back the money she pumped into her campaign might prove to be trickier if she exits the race. FEC rules limit a candidate from raising more than $250,000 after the conventions to pay personal debt. However, she has until now and the Democrats’ August convention in Denver to fundraise to pay herself back.’

To all the bigots threatening NOT to vote for Obama if Hillary loses…go ahead, you puddin’ heads! You’re not real Democrats then anyway…probably more of Rush Limbaugh planted mouthbreathers trying to sway the vote! No TRUE Democrat can honestly sit back and say they’d prefer John McSame and a continuation of Bush’s failed policy over a Democratic candidate. If you do, you’re either a liar, or simply braindead and your vote never meant anything to begin with! So please, spare us the tantrum! It’s getting really old and tiresome!

Hmmm.. so let’s bring up that rigged election in Bushy’s brothers state as governor, yah, if they could steal the election through fraud and legal pandering in 2000, sure it’s tried and true.

It amazes me how ignorant and vicious people can be on both sides. Obama supports and Clinton supports. Do you really think all of the nastiness is needed to discuss the issue at hand? I take offense to all of the things said about people if they voted for one or the other. We are not unintelligent individuals that cling to guns or religion or don’t have an education. We all voted for the person we felt was best suited for the job. They are both fighting to be the leader of our great country and all you people can do is call each other names and make nasty remarks. Stand behind the person you feel is best suited to be POTUS, if your choice is not elected, then so be it, stand behind your country and vote for the person running for your party. If we don’t make a difference then there can’t be any change anywhere. Stop, listen and stop showing your ignorance by not listening to the real issues. This country needs someone that can fix it. Either one of the democrates running can make a stab at it and do the best they can working with what they are getting from the republicans. But this I won’t vote for her or him or I will jump party lines is just plain stupid. If you don’t want 4 more years of Bush, then you better pick one you like and vote for them. And come November, you better be smart enough to know that what we got is what we have to work with and vote for them.

Count all the votes???? That is unamerican… G** D*mn America

This is America. Elitist rules should not suffocate the will of the people. Count the votes, count the people. One nation, under God, with liberty and justice for all.

Hey folks, the two party system is a scam. Only Ron Paul would be honest and not greedy enough to fix the system.

What would Obama do if Chavez or Amehdinajad criticize him? Is he going to cry racism?

She signed the agreement that MI and FL delegates do not count. Terry McAuliffe, as part of the Rules and Bylaws Committee, first warned, then punished MI and FL.
Anyway, this argument is moot. Most reputable reports say that the delegates WILL be seated after the May 31st meeting, but at half strength. Both Clinton and McAuliffe have stated numerous times that the Democratic Party will have its nominee by June 15th and the Party will be unified going to the convention.
Remember, she is just under $20 million in debt, and she HAS to say things like this or she cannot raise money. I just pity those poor saps that help her now.

PEOPLE: It is not about politics and game-playing, it is about our voice, the people’s voice, not being heard.
Is it our fault that party honchos decided to break rules and do as they may for the primaries?
Is it our fault that party big wigs are playing hard ball and closing their ears to the people’s voice?
Our constitution guarantees us, the people, the right to elect our leaders.
By not counting Michigan and Florida votes, our voting rights are being stepped on.

Posted by: Jan | May 21, 2008 5:42:32 PM
As you can see from OH, PA, KY, and WV, all the money in the world is not going tto save Sen. Obama in Nov. He outspent her, he had massive amounts people at his rallies, he’s got door to door people….HE”S got people. But Hillary still beat him for all that. It’s incredible and such a huge tribute to her. I’m not saying it to be spiteful, really my gripe is on the media and the DNC.

If the Democrats don’t count Florida and Michigan they are throwing those electoral votes to the Republicans.

“Fox News is fair and balanced.”
Warning! Warning! Danger Will Robinson! My sensors indicate a Dittohead is present!
When someone calls Faux News fair and balanced, I know I’m either dealing with a staunch Republican or a Bill O’Reilly, felaffel-fed zombie!

Carlos, it’s easier to control a people if you let them believe they they have liberty and justice and are free than it is to actually allow them to have liberty and justice and truly be free. See the pattern that’s been goin’ down in America for the last hundred years or so, yet?

Katie D,
The Real Democrats are the ones who won’t vote for Obama. Your country comes before the party. What part of that don’t you people get. To call all of those people who will not vote for Obama bigots shows your ignorance. It has nothing to do with his race for some of us. That is like me saying if you don’t vote for Hillary you are sexist. Get off the race BS. How come Obama hasn’t sealed the deal? I’d really like an answer to that.
My vote counts just as much as yours and everybody else’s. I just choose to vote for the person that I know something about, not some fly by night person that the media has anointed as the “chosen one”.

It’s time to Stop the Insanity.
Super delegates get the hook, do it now. Send Hillary to a nice quiet place where hopefully she can come to peace with the idea that it was not preordained that she be POTUS.
Maybe she can make friends with Napoleon while she is in there. They have a lot in common.

arent the margins Clinton won in WV and Kentucky the margins she LOST BY IN GEORGIA AND SOUTH CAROLINA? WHAT is the point

No_MI_&_No_FL It is completely foolish to believe that obama can win the ge without the support of Michigan, Florida, Pennsylvania, West Virginia, California, New York, Kentucky, etc. OBAMA IS UNELECTABLE even more so if he insists in alenating Florida and Michigan.

When you have made a mistake in voting for a war of choice and then you agree to abide by DNC rules about moving up a primary (heralded by the Governors of Florida and Michigan) and then you agree to strategists that you can ignore caucus states cause their votes don’t amount to much and then you agree that big money is the safer bet and then you trail in a race against a relativity unknown a year ago and then you stand before your party and the nation and claim all is for the people – I sense “Me” has moved to the top of the agenda. Senator Clinton you service to the country is appreciated. You represent a fine state. You represented us well as First Lady (albeit I would have taken the cast iron skillet over his head and he’d still be sleeping on the sofa). You raised a fine daughter. It is now time to get behind a fine young fella from Illinois, wish him God speed and lead your fellow Senators to back changes on the party platform which will lead this nation out of the chaos left by this Administration – elements of which to come will take our breath away. Please do not proceed in the Karl Rove style of division – the cost will be felt for generations to come.

“To call all of those people who will not vote for Obama bigots shows your ignorance. It has nothing to do with his race for some of us.”
HA!HA!HA!HA!HA! I was in Kentucky a few days ago and the people I heard and talked to most CERTAINLY were bigots and I did hear many say they would never vote for a black man,so with all due respect “J”, you don’t know what the hell you’re talking about! And if you don’t know ‘enough’ about Obama, then shame on you…there’s even a book out there on his life, if you’re too lazy to do the research on the Internet!

I think that old bat Ferro should help her pay her 10 million dollar debt.
Go BO GO, PLEASE DON’T LET THAT OLD BAT STEAL THIS FROM YOU.

I failed to see the Senate bill Senator Clinton introduced to get rid of the Electoral College in favor of making the President as a result of a popular vote…I looked but didn’t see it.

The point of all this is (as I said before) Sen. Clinton will get the VP spot because she can help Sen. Obama in states he is weak in. Former Pres. Clinton can also help them get the vote out. An Obama/Clinton ticket is going to happen. Just wait and see!
For strong Obama or Clinton loyalists, they can vote for for either candidate they’ve supported, knowing that if they win, they both win. Also Sen. Clinton will be in the driver’s seat in 8 yrs for the #1 job.

Lemmywinks even if the reason that people wouldn’t vote for Obama is bigotry, at the end he is unelectable.

LIE, CHEAT AND STEAL, ITS THE CLINTON WAY OF LIFE…
by the way, who are monica lewinsky and jennifer flowers voting for?

J: Obama has sealed the deal! Hilary needs to raise money to pay off her debts that is why she has stayed in the race. In 13 days this contest will be over.

Well, if you put it that way Hillary. You are right, that’s how it should’ve been in 2000 and that’s how it should’ve been for this election. But it is not so. The rules in the book today which you signed said autherwise. The law in the country allows the political parties to determine independently what their rules are for their primaries. That’s how the democracy you speak of was set up.
So, just who are you defending today, yourself or the voters? Your credibility will be enhanced if you made such advocacy a feew years ago when it would not favor you in any way. Today, you come across as very selfish.

If every vote must be counted, then why does the democratic party limit who can vote on a state by state basis? In some states anyone can vote in the demo primary, others only declared democrats can vote. So the disingenuous claim that all votes must count is, shall we say, disingenuous!

She is now wanting to change the rules she voted FOR and says”they should be counted EXACTLY as they voted” She is something else ..Gene you said it well they Owe and they are wanting to collect and the Clintons can not pay wowowowow.I sure hope the 3 of June that the supers come over and end this STUPID womans dream…….Hilly you LOST give it up ,you are wasting time and money….Your name will be NOTHING if you keep this up and I will bet you NEVER get to be a Senator again either.You have screw your political future lady.

Posted by: Katie D. | May 21, 2008 6:22:07 PM
Katie, we’re just getting started. We are women hear us roar, in numbers to great to ignore.

No jimt, I don’t have a mortgage. We built our own cabin a little at a time, with money as we got it. I don’t believe in amassing a lot of debt, but rather prefer to pay as I go as much as possible. So did the small business owners agree to take small monthly payments from Hillary?

Anders Scooper–
Not my fight but—huh?>?
Too much rap music in Oregon? What are you talking about.
rap music—in Oregon?

Lemmywinks,
Why would I read a biased book telling me how great Obama is? The one book is based on his association with Rev Evil is it not? There is stuff lurking out there that hasn’t come out yet. He has not been vetted like Hillary or any other candidate has. Yes there are some people who won’t vote for him because of race, but they are not the majority.
The internet is NOT the place to look for info. Half of what you read on here is NOT truthful.
The MSM is not going to tell me who to vote for. IF you are one of the sheeples who wants to get on that bus, feel free to do so. Those of us who choose not to are not bigots.

Let the popular vote decide this. What else is a clearer expression of the “will of the people”?
This is a DEMOCRACY. The people, and their vote should determine this. Not what some pledged delegate, or politically influenced caucus results show.
I challenge ANYONE to tell my why you can complain about Bush beating Gore with less of the popular vote, but when the tables are turned you don’t apply that standard.

Libre–
I beg to differ–although I admit I did not take Hillary Math 101.
She has not won the popular vote.

I like Hilary, but her hypocrisy is tiring. She should have fought (her rallying cry) for these voters when she agreed with the DNC that they would not count. And her argument that the popular vote should count versus the electoral votes;..when did that occur to her? Bottom line is her people underestimated Obama and the result is..;she lost. Is she is really as tough as she claims, then suck it up. If she needs an example, then observe the suffering of common citizens over the past 7 years. Please. Please. Stop whining. It is SO not Presidential!

As I understand it, the Munchkins are ready to break out singing a rousing rendition of “Ding Dong, the Witch is Dead!” when Sen. Barack Obama clinches the nomination.

You Clinton cronies should just go home and lick your wounds. The race is over. Get over it. Time to move on. Her supporters are racists (they said this themselves) and narrow minded. So be it. Now move on and sop cluttering the internet!

She’s preposterous. She claims she’s won the “popular vote” but conveniently ignores that many states had caucuses with NO numbers released on # of votes cast. Obama overwhelmingly won the caucuses. She wants to seat Michigan even though Obama took his name off the ballot and they all agreed in advance that the results would not count. She wants to count Florida even though no one campaigned there and they all agreed in advance the results would not count. She is deluded, really deluded, if she thinks the DNC is going to change the rules for her. Worse, she’s acting like she’s been victimized by the process, so she can make the DNC look bad when they decide to follow their original rules and discount the FL and MI results. The only way that MI and FL can be counted is if they revote and have VALID contests. Otherwise, the DNC cannot count those results as doing so would be seen as changing their rules to marginalize Obama and his supporters. No matter what she wishes to happen, the DNC makes the rules and she is obligated to abide by them.

bcb Are you talking about Obama, right? he is the whiner all this campaign, Would he cry racism if Amehdinajad or Chavez criticize him?

TJ – Hillary won in WVa but you should be aware of some fine points. The State voted for GWB, but split it’s ballot and voted for Democrat Senator. When Senator Clinton went to the Senate Senator Byrd of WVa was her mentor on Senate rules and he (whether one likes him or not) is the recognized Constitutional scholar. On the war he clearly pointed out that it was against our Constitution to invade a soverign nation that had not attacked this country. Hillary went against him. Even AFTER she won the primary in WVa, he endorsed Senator Obama. Now one can debate the will of the people all they want (and with strong and 100% merit) one also has to consider DNC rules and why Superdelegates – leadership, wisdom, party seniority and service. Senator Byrd’s endorsement (as he had said many times) would be delayed until after his State’s primary. He then placed his support behind the candidate he thought best – and I would suggest to you and others a candidate that recognized the importance of our Consitution even when it was originally written would have considered Senator Clinton unable to vote and Senator Obama unable to vote and 4/5′s of a human being. Obama is not sexist and Clinton is not racist. Byrd is not ignorant. The people of WVa where coal is king and where “taking your jobs away” has resulted in far, far, far less mine jobs and their Appalachian landscape flattened by Mountaintop Removal (MTR) while GWB has appointed Judges to the 4th Circuit that has protected one of the most devestating environmental actions of our lifetime – all the while they remain loyal to the coal companies that has controlled their lives and fallen pray to “Swiftie” type Karl Rovian lines like his father was Muslim, he don’t wear a flag pin – the fundamentalist preachers just repeat it. Oversimplification of the analysis of the majority vote in that state is dangerous considering what the general election will be about. I do not mean to belittle anyone, but I can 100% guarantee you without a doubt that a Karl Rove type mailer by a PAC about infidelity will be in the mail the day after Hillary would get a nomination – without a doubt (how do I know? – I have two uncles who are what are called hard-shell Baptist ministers and they have already preached on the subject. And God knows I have been cast out of the family for my support of Senator Obama because I would vote for a man of that color. Yes I was born in West Virginia – I do not live there. My heart has been broken too many times.)

Why is she still in this? hm, she does have the popular vote at this point, she is the one with the momentum.
Since the Rev Wright controversey broke, Obama has been doing poorly.

Nobody ever talks about the GOP voters that are effectively disenfranchised because their states vote late, and the nomination has already been decided. The solution to this, and the situation in FL and MI is to have the primary on one day all across the nation. That way we can eliminate this stupidity once and for all.

When has Obama cried racism? No need to cry about what is obvious is there?

Looking through the keyhole, Alice(Clinton) sees herself asleep in the park. As the mob draws nearer, she calls, “Alice(Clinton), wake up!” to her sleeping self until she gradually awakens from the dream to the sound of her sister’s voice. The two of them return home for teatime while Alice(Clinton) muses on her adventures in Wonderland, realizing that perhaps logic and reason exist for a purpose.

Obama will win the nomination battle, but he’ll undoubtedly lose the war.
Hillary will undoubtedly lose the nomination battle, but she would have had a better chance at winning the war.
Dem primaries are quirky. Where else can citizens double vote & use super delegates and then call it “the will of the people?”

No true Democrat will vote for Obama in the GE.

Peter wrote: “… hillary would of one by a landslide… like mcCain did. he won the states and got all the total delagates!! that how it should be.”
Uh no. McCain didn’t win all the states. Romney won some and Huckabee won some. Keep in mind that Republicans are “winner take all” so even with a narrow victory McCain got all the delegates for that state. I wouldn’t call McCain’s victory a “landslide,” exactly.

If Clinton is not the Democratic nominee, McCain will be our next president. This Clinton supporter will vote Republican for the first time in 32 years if the monumentally unqualified Barry is nominated.

1. SIXTEEN months ago, Hillary Clinton, along with ALL the other 8 candidates who were running for the democratic nomination, ALL OF THEM, signed a contract which said that because they broke party rules and decided to move up their primary voting date, that the states of Florida, and Michigan would not count.
BUT when Hillary started losing the race, she STARTED LYING, ACTING as though she had not actually signed a contract. even when shw was confronted with her lies on television.
2. So not only is Hillary trying to get the votes in Florida, and Michigan counted, ( ONLY because she needs them to win), Hillary has said that she wants to EXCLUDE all the votes that were cast in states with caucases. She says that they should not. Now Hillary does not want the votes cast by voters in caucus states counted. (There goes Hillary’s whole argument that she wants EVERY vote to count) The fact is that Hillary only wants the votes in the states SHE won to count. So if you live in a caucus state, Hillary DOES NOT think ANY of your votes should count, And she said so!!
THIS IS THE TYPE OF MANIPULATION, AND DISHONESTY WE CAN EXPECT FROM HILLARY AS PRESIDENT. SHE HAS ALREADY SHOWN SHE HAS NO RESPECT FOR RULES, OR CONTRACTS.
WATCHING HILLARY LIE, AND CHANGE THE RULES WHENEVER SHE FEELS LIKE IT, SHOW THAT SHE IS MANIPULATIVE, AND DECEPTIVE, AND CANNOT BE TRUSTED TO KEEP HER WORD!

Look, the longer this goes on the worse Obama looks. The truth always comes out in the end. He’s nothing but an anti-american racist, just like his wife AND pastor. I’ve still yet to hear any of his policies. He’s nothing but hype. And he’s already starting to crack. McCain – A true American.

If Clinton does not win the nomination, I will either vote McCain or not vote at all. I have to study McCain more, but for a Republican he is very tolerable (and I don’t buy the BS argument by Obama’s campaign that he is a Bush clone. In fact, if he were, why would so many of the ultraconservative Republicans be so opposed to him???)

Hillary, please stop. I have lost total respect for you.
You are a liar and a cheat and that will be your legacy.

Let’s be realistic. Most of you didn’t even know these other primaries existed. And how many times has the nominee been selected before these voters ever stood in a voting booth effectively removing them from the process? The order of primaries matter and should be addressed. Personally I think going forward there should be a 2 month primary season and at the end all states vote.

Lauren:
It was the politicians who made the decision to move up the elections–not the voters. You sound like a Bush neocon who doesn’t want the Florida votes to count. I’ve seen that picture before and it hasn’t gotten better with age.

To GA:
Well, let’s talk about fairness here -
So you are ordering the DNC to pounce all over Hillary and kick her right under the obama bus huh?
Well, you know what? I don’t think so. You obama cult followers are so full of venom and hate for Clinton that you followers scare me. Yes, I fully believe that she should take this to the convention floor and SHE and SHE alone should force this issue. Not a bunch of weepie obama fluid drinkers who continue to be vile and just “plain mean” – remember how the lovely and talented MRS OBAMA spewed her HATE on the Americans with the same words.
Go eat something nasty and die.

“No true Democrat will vote for Obama in the GE.”
Since you’re not ‘a true Democrat’ Libre, please don’t speak for me! Another agent of ‘Operation chaos!’

Hillary Clinton is the Ralph Nader of 2008. She cannot and will not win. She knows it. If the DNC allows HER to make her own rules, to decide how the votes will be counted, to IGNORE the results of the primary, and to say that the entire primary process means nothing…..WATCH HER GO DOWN IN FLAMES. Feminazis and white racists are not enough to win in November.

Is this woman a fool or just sickkkkkkkkkkkkkk?????

I live in FLORIDA and for the last TIME NO THE VOTES DONT COUNT!!!!!! This woman has really gone BATTY. Blame our governor CHARLIE CRIST. This was a plan by the REPUBLIAN PARTY. Now CHARLIE on McCAIN short list for VP. NO McCAIN/CRIST ticket in NOV. GE. Instead lets show CHARLIE the door on his reelection

I feel sorry for all of the vendors that Hillary has cheated. She is only continuing with the race to get enough contributions to pay off her debts.

you know why most of Hillary supporters want to vote for Mccain?bc most of them are selfish old women.they don’t care about young men and women who have to go to Iraq and unfortunately dying over there.they just want to revenge.they don’t see the big picture

If Michigan and Florida aren’t counted as originally cast then the other states who changed their dates should be denied their delegates as well. This includes Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina. They moved their dates earlier but suffered no penalty. Michigan and Florida were blocked because the election is being rigged to nominate Obama (The Fix). The rules never never said delegates should be denied. They actually said only 1/2 should be counted but that could be changed in the Credentials Committee. The DNC (especially Donna Brazille) used the nuclear option on Michigan and Florida and denied all delegates. Just part of the The Fix. Count all the votes!

Hillary, your argument will work in WV and KY. But not even in Ohio, FL, MI, or CA will anyone buy that fart.

Turns out Obama is only running for President because he was in the wrong line. He thought he was auditioning for American Idol. Now it makes more sense.

This lady IS CRAZY. This is crazy she will say and MAKE UP ANYTHING. Now it’s the popular vote. First it was the delegates. Then the Super delegates. She is CRAZY. I cannot she how anyone supports her.

Rumor has it that there is video of Michelle Obama “railing against ‘####’ at Jeremiah Wright’s church.” If this is true, it could be lethal. It’s one thing to distance yourself from your pastor, but quite another thing to distance yourself from your spouse. Again — this might be just be a rumor. Or it might be big — if it’s true. wow… fyi Larry Johnson, is the blogger who has this story and speculation is he will hold the video till August.Maybe that is why Obama is so fired up about any criticism of his wife. Obama knows the video is out there.

This lady IS CRAZY. This is crazy she will say and MAKE UP ANYTHING. Now it’s the popular vote. First it was the delegates. Then the Super delegates. She is CRAZY. I cannot see how anyone supports her.

Hey J:
So the fact that Hillary has been “vetted” means that all the sorry deals she’s been a part of…all the scumbags that she has been associated with…all that goes away?
Do you realize how many scandals she and her husband have been a part of? And you think the rev wright deal makes Obama look bad? He didn’t even say those things!
Whitewater
Cattlegate
Paula Jones
Monica Lewinsky
Juanita Broadrick
Campaign contributions from drug smugglers and arms dealers
Renting out the Lincoln Bedroom
you want me to go on? She isn’t “vetted”. She is simply low class slime.

I agree with all of the HRC supporters on this site. Hillary should leave and start her own party. The Clintons need to have a party all to themselves, one which represents their interests and their interests alone. HRC’s actions are so blatantly self-serving, arrogant, selfish, one-sided that it’s clear exactly who she represents at this point. It’s not the Demographic that she’s been fooling into voting for her. Just how long is it going to take all of her supporters to realize that she represents just one family? How much more do the Clintons need to say?
How many of you heard Bill’s cackling today, saying what a great President Chelsea would make? Give me a break. The U.S. is not a monarchy and never will be. And if the U. S. were to anoint some family as the “First Family”, it sure as H*LL would not be the freakin’ Clintons.

The problem with Obamabots is that they think he is smart. He simply isn’t. I’ve listened to his half-baked platitudes and find them bereft of any rhetorical flair. He merely sounds like a preacher looking for a congregation to flim-flam.
Posted by: Ferd berfle | —————
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Yeah I guess at those Ivy league schools they teach you there are 57 states!

yes, i am sure that if she were winning, she would be wanting to have those votes in florida really count.
She is one of these individuals who cares nothing more than for herself. She is so beyond herself, and she is such a bad witch. I cannot believe this. She is a bad witch, kind of like from the Wizard of Oz, played by margaret hamilton, if I am not mistaken.
She has no shame and no dignity. Why does she not simply disappear. Yes, she won with votes from all those racists in West Virginia and Kentucky. She should not permit those votes — those racially-based votes — to be counted, but again, she and her old man have no shame and no dignity.

The polls today show BO beating McBush. Once HRC is out BO will get a bump. Not all of the HRC votes will come over but enough will. BO will win.

the wicked witch once again flies in to florida on her broom to try to stir trouble with her flying monkies. The wicked witch has not dignity and no honor and no shame.

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Shameful, irresponsible doublespeak of hussein and his naive followers: “let the people decide” BUT DISENFRANCHISE FLORIDA, MICHIGAN, SUPERDELEGATES AND ANY OTHER STATE OR PERSON THAT MIGHT VOTE FOR HILLARY.
Many Democrats simply do not want the party to make the same mistake twice by nominating another Kerry-like shallow, arrogant, platitude-spouting, gas-bag – who is so mentally deficient from extensive drug use he even has to plagiarize his hollow platitudes!.
The “God D@#! America” crowd will do just about anything to steal the nomination. Kind of reminds one of Dumbya – except more bigoted.
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Jerry A:
You can roast every single person who has ever run for, or held a political office. When you speak every day, all day, you are going to make some mistakes. That includes Hillary.
You, on the other hand, are foolish for thinking anybody is buying what you are trying to sell.

Good luck getting Hillary supporters to help your guy. I prefer the hero who loves his country.
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Geraldine Ferarro will lead the charge of voters voting for McCain. At a meeting for delegates and alternates last night the genral attitude was “NO way will I vote for Obama” McCain is without question a patriot. Obama is VERY questionable, and he’s toast if he’s the nominee. And to all the men who tell Hillary “Sweetie sit down and shut up”, well…you KNOW where you can go!

Good luck getting Hillary supporters to help your guy. I prefer the hero who loves his country.
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Geraldine Ferarro will lead the charge of voters voting for McCain. At a meeting for delegates and alternates last night the genral attitude was “NO way will I vote for Obama” McCain is without question a patriot. Obama is VERY questionable, and he’s toast if he’s the nominee. And to all the men who tell Hillary “Sweetie sit down and shut up”, well…you KNOW where you can go!

Not only the delegate count itsely, but also the momentum and confidence it brings.
If the Florida and Michigan delegates were counted earlier, Hillary could have gained much more momentum, much more confidence, much less media pressure and then the super delegates would have been attrated much more.
The whole thing is wrong. The DNC should be responsible for the history. It’s very clear, we had such a brilliant lady, and her road was ruined by DNC.

All of you Democrats who are sitting on your high horses need to understand that OBAMA CANNOT WIN THE ELECTION WITHOUT FLORIDA. We are a HUGE state and many of us here are mad as hell. I am not an idiot. I realize that MANY people are at fault for this fiasco that left MILLIONS disenfranchised. But if Obama had a single ounce of sense he’d have fought to have our votes count – after the fact or not. He’d still have won the primary nod – what harm would it have done to at least act like he gives a crap about millions of people in Florida and Michigan? But he didn’t and now, the very day that he probably has enough delegates to claim victory, he is here in my home town. Too little too late Obama. All of you can yell and scream that we aren’t savvy or aware of the polital manuevers that went on – feel free. Yell away. You’d have been better off getting outraged with us because if WE don’t vote – YOUR GUY doesn’t win.

CAROYLN–WHO CARES! VOTE McCAIN. HOPE YOU HAVE SOME KIDS THAT CAN GO OVER TO IRAQ TO CONTUINE THE 100 YEAR WAR–LOSER.

Bob,
I forgot to add the statement by Michelle about being proud of her country for the first time in her adult life. Real upstanding citizen there and you want that as your First lady? At least Bill Clinton and Cindy McCain have a true love for this country unlike Ms. Thang.

No matter whoever agreed to it, it was wrong to disenfranchise these voters. Hillary has won the last 7 out of last 10 primaries. She is ahead in the number of people who have come out to vote and this will continue. Obama is a weak candidate. Sweet talking won’t win a general election. Obama’s wife has some very controversial views. Just in the past 3 days, Obama has flip-flopped on a major national security matter. The democratic party has gone too far to the left and will never win a general election if this keeps going. What is the matter with the democrats.

BCB-I AGREE. FLORIDA DO NOT KNOW HOW TO HAVE A STRAIGHT ELECTION!!!!!!!! THERE ALWAYS BS AT ELECTION TIME. I CAN SAY THIS BECAUSE I LIVE HERE!!!!!!!!

Somebody please explain to me how Mi. and Fl. are Obamas fault. It seems to me that you Hillary supporters are just blaming Obama because it makes you feel good. Instead of blaming the leaders of the DNC in those states, who are the ones at fault.
Just a couple of other things: Would Hillary and her supporters want the votes counted if the tables were turned and SHE was in the lead? and Why didn’t she object to these rules at the beginning of the process?
She knew the rules and AGREED to them PERIOD !!!
I understand that you Hillary supporters are upset and disappointed, but some of these arguments are WEAK and TOOO SAD !!!!!!!

Well i dont understand what everyone sees in Obama.I dont think he cares a thing about the u.s.I’ve always voted dem,but like they say theres a first time for everything.

Dem. Senators, you all know Obama is a below average US Senator, are you proud of being led by him? I can tell, lots of you are more experienced than him, but he is just overly arrogant, overly risky, he dares to come out to run presidential campaign, doesn’t mean he is qualified. Are you feeling comfortable beling led by someone who is less capable than you??

This isn’t really an issue about what Hillary or Obama want or would have wanted. These votes should count. Period. It was wrong of the DNC to disenfranchise them in the first place.

OBAMA’S PLAN FOR CHANGE IN AMERICA PER HIS OWN WORDS AND ACTIONS:
(1)Raise our taxes and reduce our freedom: “We can’t drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times … and then just expect that other countries are going to say OK,” Obama said. “That’s not leadership. That’s not going to happen,” he added.” — Barack Obama
(2) Endanger our sovereignty. Obama’s bill S2433 would require the U.S. to initially direct .7percent of our GNP into the United Nations coffers for distribution asthey see fit, for “food” to third world nations. Under earlieragreements this would evolve into a national tax on the U.S. with theUN attempting to levy this on all first world nations.The U.N. would have the power to increase this rate of taxation.The U.S. would be required to surrender some of its sovereignty overforeign aid by putting it under UN control.
(3) Weakening our national defense in an increasingly dangerous world: “First, I’ll stop spending $9 billion a month in Iraq. I’m the only major candidate who opposed this war from the beginning. And as president I will end it.Second, I will cut tens of billions of dollars in wasteful spending.I will cut investments in unproven missile defense systems.I will not weaponize space.I will slow our development of future combat systems.And I will institute an independent “Defense Priorities Board” to ensure that the Quadrennial Defense Review is not used to justify unnecessary spending.Third, I will set a goal of a world without nuclear weapons. To seek that goal, I will not develop new nuclear weapons; I will seek a global ban on the production”– Barrack Obama
(4) Increase Disunity: Obama’s words: “White folks greed runs a world in need” plus Obama’s association with: Rev. Wright “God D### America”, Rev. Meeks,Rev. Wright, Bill Ayers, Raila Odinga* Rabidly anti-Israel Columbia University professor Rashid Khalidi., etc.,etc. etc.

Americans do not have the moral justification to set rules around the world anymore. The world has followed your primary process and we now know you are no better than Burma or Cuba. You have sold lies to this world and continuously you intend to continue dividing this world. Thank God for the internet, we the people of the world know better. No morals ,not integrity, nothing! and on top of that you all are shameless to come on blogs viewed world wide to air your political opinions ignorantly, without any ingredient of honesty on what perceived right or wrong should be. Clinton has lost ! and she should be honest enough to face it, her supporters are pathological thinkers whose loyalty is with the Clintons not the Entity called America. So much for patriotism ,so much for the pride of being Americans. Shameless folks!

Bob,
I forgot to add the statement by Michelle about being proud of her country for the first time in her adult life. Real upstanding citizen there and you want that as your First lady? At least Bill Clinton and Cindy McCain have a true love for this country unlike Ms. Thang.
Posted by: J | May 21, 2008 7:24:00 PM
J: Stop with the attacks now ‘old style politics’ and remember that Hilary and Obama are batting for the same team.

I just have to say the comment by READY999 to Carolyn is the type of childish response that makes me embarassed to be a democrat. Simply amazing how immature SOME of Obama’s supporters are!

Asians for Hillary………..

Even Florida and Mich.. Clinton still trails behind Obama. Ref http://www.newsweek.com/id/138109.
Why she is making this argument no body knows, may be to drag the race?

Hillary Clinton ran such an incompetent campaign that I can’t trust her to be chief executive of the United States. I would vote for McCain before I would vote for her.

J: Stop with the attacks now ‘old style politics’ and remember that Hilary and Obama are batting for the same team.
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Oh, it’s ok for you Obama supporters to bash Clinton but as soon as somebody brings up negatives about Obama it’s old style politics. I was answering Bob’s post who listed all kinds of negatives about Clinton.

For all his hollow rhetoric about uniting the country, Barry is certainly unting the opposition (and dividing the democrats). Great, just what we need, another uniterer a la Shrub. I’ll bet honor and integrity are next on his little list of things to pontificate at length about. God help us.

“CLING ON” CLINTON! DIVISION, EXCLUSION AND SEGREGATION HAS NEVER BEEN HEALTHY TO THIS NATION – HOWEVER THOSE WITH “ENTITLEMENT” WILL PLAY ANY CARDS, RACE, RELIGION, SEX, AGE…… THE BOTTOM LINE QUESTION FOR ALL CLINTON SUPPORTERS ” WILL YOU SEND YOUR CHILD TO DO AN INTERNSHIP IN HILLARY’S OVAL OFFICE, KNOWING THE THE PROFESSIONAL AND EXPERIENCED “FIRST HUSBAND” IS READY AND WILLING WITH HIS “CUBAN CIGAR”, TO HELP? HOW ABOUT ALL THE “FEMINIST” IN HILLARY’S CAMP, DO YOU TRULY ENDORSE “SEXUAL EXPLOITATION” OF SUBORDINATES OR FEMALES? Sincerely, Lake Hart, a Native American Writer.

see the problem with this entire process is that if folks think a candidate cares…then they vote for them. Pie in the sky stuff which is why it is so easy to manipulate the electorate. What do you think the motivation is in tracking the specifics of the black, white and gender vote. It’s divisiveness and as you can see it works. Shame on us. We are so predictable. The realities are this is not the first woman or African American to run for President so why this concentration on who is voting for whom. How many blacks voted for Bill Clinton? It didn’t matter because it was assumed we would. How many blacks voted for Jesse Jackson? It didn’t matter because he wasn’t a threat to win. Where were the cries of sexism when previous women ran for President? Geraldine wasn’t going to win and Shirley Chisholm was not only a woman, but AA as well. It’s funny how voters in like Kentucky cry about Obama not visiting when it is obvious that many of them wouldn’t let a black man step on their front porch. I could care less how people rationalize not voting for someone because of the color of their skin or their sex. Like so many in this country who trumpet the progress that has been made in this country on racial and gender equality, I am not afforded the luxury in pretending that there is much more work to be done. It’s your vote do as you will. However, take responsibilities for your actions.

Proud AAA…I just don’t trust Obama or his supporters. The large majority of AAA are racist.

Enough already. I’m hearing countless justifications made by Clinton and her supporters concerning various ways that she can steal this election. Do you folk realize how offensive you are? It seems that the CLINTONIAN political philosophy is rooted in the view that the electorate can be convinced of just about ANYTHING if you say it long enough and with a straight face. Here are the FACTS:
1. The RULES of the Democratic Party when it comes to primaries and caucuses is that the candidate with the most DELEGATES wins. Period.
2. Michigan and Florida (yes, my state), broke the RULES and were rightfully penalized. ALL of the candidates, including Hillary, agreed to this. Now we are to believe that her desperate attempt to have all of the votes seated is actually about the disenfranchisement of the people. PLEEEASE! It is about one thing…HILLARY.
3. Because of the above facy NO oNE campaigned in these states, so the election was no more than a Gallup poll popularity contest. Just look at other states where both campaigns went in full bore and campaigned, the vote has always been impacted. Plus, Obama wasn’t even on the Michigan ballot.
4. You can’t claim a popular vote lead without including ANY votes for Obama in Michigan, and then counting the votes in Florida, which were bolstered NOT by intense support of the candidates, but by EXTREMELY important legislation that was on the ballot and drove millions to the polls.
5. Apparently it is PERFECTLY acceptable to play the GENDER CARD for all it’s worth, but if anyone remotely connected to OBAMA brings up race, then they are accused of being racist, sexist, and militant. DOUBLE STANDARD and WE SEE THROUGH IT!

IF CLINTON WAS IN OBAMA’S FRONT RUNNER POSITION AS IT TODAY, I AM SURE OBAMA WOULD HAVE LONG STEPPED ASIDE FOR THE SAKE OF THE PARTY. I WONDER WHAT HAPPENED TO HILLARY’S EXPERIENCE. GUESS OBAMA WAS LUCKY OR HE PLANNED AHEAD.? WE SHOULD CONGRATULATE THAT YOUNG MAN FOR PLANNING WELL AND SUPPORT HIM INSTEAD OF HATING. THEY SAID BLACK VOTERS PROPELLED HIM, WELL THEY ARE LESS THAN 13% OF AMERICAS TOTAL POPULATION, WHO ELSE VOTED OBAMA THAT HELPED SECURE THE NORMINATION? WE, YES WE WHITES SO ENOUGH OF ALL THIS BLA BLA BLA. HILLARY IS JUST A FEEDING YOU ALL WITH A BIGGER BLA BLA BLA. SHE HAS LOST FOCUS AND HAS BECOME DESPERATE …BE WARY OF SUCH PEOPLE

Lake Hart,
“That is so old style politics”. You can’t bash the other candidate.

Five reasons why Obama should not be president:
1. He is not qualified to be president.
2. The other four don’t matter.

READY999, what in the hell does “do the truth hurts” mean? Lay off the sauce, it’s still early.

If Obama had not been as pompous and actually came out and said “this is what I stand” for and stuck with what he said I might have considered voting for him.
Change and Hope are not going to cure our problems. Fight and determination are what is going to set this country back on the right track.
The other thing that bothers me is the people he has associated with. There are too many unanswered questions for me to vote for him.

I’m from Michigan, how is Hillary going to make my vote count for Obama? Any of you Hillary supporters want to answer this one?

MI & FL dems did not break the rules, their republican controlled legistlatures did. Do you want to deprive thousands of dems of their vote because they were minipulated by Republicans? Now who’s the real democrat! Obama did run ads in FL. Obama took his name off in MI because he didn’t want anyone to see what a weak candidate he was in a primary state so early on in the race. Caucus states are easily manipulated by bussing in a lot of aggressive supporters. Neither candidate can come up with enough delegates to win, they both need superdelegates. There are still plenty of undeclared supers out there for Hill and her supporters to win over. We want the strongest candidate to go up against McCain and that is NOT Obama (Selected, not elected).

Let’s look at the trajectory of the Dem primary AFTER the Rev Wright scandal broke, and many switched from Obama to Clinton:
Counting: PA, Guam, IN, NC, WV, KY, Oregon.
Popular Vote:
Clinton – 3,509,668
Obama – 3,216,839
Clinton – 52.2%
Obama – 47.82%

Republicans come on this blog tagged operation chaos to confuse themselves not DEMS, We are smarter than your post, you are no Hillary supporters, you are simply republicans but you can not keep twisting the truth, your party has failed Americans and the world. Say your prayers for forgiveness of sins or live with it. But DEMS are taking over. Operation Choas, guess you all are loosing your bearing as well…lol

Lead on Hillary. We’re right behind you. Take it to the convention floor. Don’t even think of releasing your delegates. Hold firm. Obama cannot win in November. The Repukes will eat him for breakfast. Hope with Hillary.

Please give me one reason you all think Obama is not fit to be President of this free nation, just one reason.

that’s Hilliary again wanting things to go her way. People can justify all they want why she wants to ‘change the rules’ in her favor. You know good and well if the tables were turned, she would say, ‘No it’s the delegates that count, not the popular vote” she is so idiotic!!!! She want thigs her way. if you listen to her speaches, she plays mind games. have THE NERVE to put civil right movement in her speeche and then use Obama’s name in her speech to appeal to black people. what has she been drinking? She said herself early on that “aaah, those votes in MI and FLA don’t matter” until now, she wants to use them to her advantage. I tell you MIND GAMES i tell you.

She is a lair and sore loser. She lied and cheated in Michigan and under no circumstances should the delegates be seated. I guess the elections were fair by Mugabe’s standards.

Sanity Man,
Obama lost PA, IN as well. How could he not win in IN, next door to his home state? And PA has a very diverse demographic, and he lost that by over 9%.
Face it, the momentum shifted to Clinton after the Rev Wright scandal broke.
Don’t you find it a bit perplexing that the “presumptive nominee” got his butt kicked in WV by so much?

She’s one pathetic bitch! She needs to get her considerable ass off the stage!

WorldSsam,
Yeah, nice compromise. Split them equall??? Why, Clinton trounced Obama in FL? Get some sense.

Please give me one reason you all think Obama is not fit to be President of this free nation, just one reason.
Posted by: What is wrong with Obama being President? | May 21, 2008 8:00:32 PM—–
1. He thinks we have 57 states
2. Wright
3. Rezko
4. Ayers
5. Michelle
6. Flip flopper

JIM IN PA—-NOW THAT IS A TRUE WHITE COLLAR BIGOT BLUECOLLAR HILLARY SUPPORTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hillary supporters:
Send Howard Dean and the DNC a clear message. If Obama wins the Democratic nomination, then vote a solid Republican ticket in November. Vote EVERY Democrat out of office. Now that may seem rather extreme, but we as Democrats need to stand up for our rights and the rights of the voters in Michigan and Florida that are about to be disenfranchised by Howard Dean and the DNC. Howard “Screamer” Dean needs to be FIRED and not allowed to be in politics ever again.
Democrats Arise…stand up for your rights as voters and show the DNC that you’re mad as hell and won’t take it anymore!!!!!!

I hear people saying how much they admire Clinton’s tenacity, while all I see are her constant prevarications.

Jeremy-PA is an Appilation state. Yes it has two large cities but in between is the Appillations. The large rural vote (same demographics as WV & KY) overwhelmed the two cities. Indiana is very conservative also (in the 1920′s they had the largest KKK members in the US). It is very conservative, but he almost did it. But my point is that your sample is too small and too demographically simiar.

AND WHAT’S UP WITH THOSE D@MN PANTSUITS?!?!?!?!?!?

If Hillary thought that MI. and FLA. votes would favor Obama,there is no way she would be demanding that they be counted.It’s easy to win if your name is the only one on the ballot.

J if you are counting those five factors, then we should equally count Hillary mistakes which can not be numbered. Your reasons can’t bear on pressing issue, so you are way out of line.Shame

The popular vote thing is crap. The reason we have delegates in the first place is simples 8th grade civics. In order to ensure that the will of the people and not the will of New York, Chicago or L.A. This way, people in the smaller states are forgotten. Why do I remember this from my Jr. High Civics class and a career politician like HRC doesn’t?
This election will be won by the best candidate when the delegates vote. Bottom line, I don’t think it should be this hard to become the nominee.

Florida screwed up an election – again. Big surprise. Florida needs to pay the price for f**cking up 2 presidential elections and now messing up a primary. When they can get it right and follows the rules, they can play ball. Otherwise, let them go back to their swimming pools.

Obama is doomed.
His hypocrisy is coming out – look at the recent debate over lobbyist ties.
Obama’s image is finally broken, people are seeing him for the hypocrite he is.
He points to past presidents meeting with enemies, but fails to mention the WHOLE ISSUE has been his claim to meet WITHOUT PRECONDITIONS.

In 2004 when McAuliffe was the DNC Chairman he lambasted Michigan Senator Carl Levin when Levin tried to have Michigan moved up in the voting season.
McAuliffe made the mistake of writing about it in his book.
“”I’m going outside the primary window,” [Michigan Sen. Carl Levin] told me definitively.
“If I allow you to do that, the whole system collapses,” I said. “We will have chaos. I let you make your case to the DNC, and we voted unanimously and you lost.”
He kept insisting that they were going to move up Michigan on their own, even though if they did that, they would lose half their delegates. By that point Carl and I were leaning toward each other over a table in the middle of the room, shouting and dropping the occasional expletive.
“You won’t deny us seats at the convention,” he said.
“Carl, take it to the bank,” I said. “They will not get a credential. The closest they’ll get to Boston will be watching it on television. I will not let you break this entire nominating process for one state. The rules are the rules. If you want to call my bluff, Carl, you go ahead and do it.”
We glared at each other some more, but there was nothing much left to say. I was holding all the cards and Levin knew it.”

He cant win, he has shady associates, he’s a bag of hot air, he’s misogynist, he’s black…blar blar…! I don’t care what any of you Hilary supporters have to say anymore. Because I know after June 2nd Hilary will be kissing Obama’s ass just like everybody else! Obama ’08

If Hillary was Obama’s choice for VP I still would not vote for Obama. I would only vote for that ticket if Hillary was President and Obama was vice President. I know I would prefer her to choose someone else but I would at least know she made the major decisions. Obama cannot be trusted with any major decisions. It’s that simple!!!

Oldwhiteguy…
Look at the overall numbers…it is very close as far as the educated/uneducated votes go.
Let me also mention that during the primary, more educated voters cast ballots. The GE is MUCH different. Many more uneducated voters turn out.
As far as I see it, ALL votes count, regardless of your education level. I know MANY people who never went to college and some that did not even finish high school. A large portion of them are very knowledgeable about the issues and are open to new ideas.
Some of the “educated” people that I know are some of the most self-centered and ignorant people around.
Education level means nothing, it is the content of your character.

juneau52…What will be Obama’s legacy? The Rezko trial that changed to the Obama trial? Read the Chicago Tribune and Evelyn Pringle. Part 1 thru 4. Coming to a theatre near you in the near future I’m sure!!!

These new numbers are quite surprising
North Carolina: McCain vs. Clinton SurveyUSA McCain 43, Clinton 49 Clinton +6.0
North Carolina: McCain vs. Obama SurveyUSA McCain 51, Obama 43 McCain +8.0
This has been a solid red state for a long time, even Bill didn’t win.

John,
Sounds like you would fit right in in the South. You are the epitome of trash.

In Florida it was the Republican Govenor Charlie Crist ( who is being touted as a possible VeePee for Mcsame) that caused the primary to be moved so that it broke the Dems rules, so if you want a target at which to vent your spleen Crist and the republicans should be at the top of the list. It would be an interesting vote in Florida should Crist be on the ticket to see if the Florida voters want to put a protest vote to the real cause of their disenfranchisement. I understand the frustration many feel, however we live in a country governed by laws, run ( for the most part) by people who believe in those laws. For the Dems to allow Fl+MI to brazenly ignore those rules and go unpunished is asking for complete anarchy at the next round of primaries. Why should the other 48 states and a number of territories who follow the rules be potentially marginalised because other states decided they could break the rules. If the DNC do not punish those states and in particular do not punishly them strongly the DNC will be ignored by govenors and individual states in the future because those individuals want to play local politics, but choose the national primary stage on which to do it. If that’s harsh then so be it, but any State or govenor thinking of playinf games in future should be aware of the risk they are taking

This b*tch is so full of sh*t it’s starting to make me sick. It really is. I’m a life-long democrat and I would gladly support either candidate, but I’m starting to think twice about that. Thank goodness there’s nothing she can do or say that will get her this nomination.

vernonwerge–hitting it on head. RIGHT ON!

Vernon is just wrong…the proposal to move the primary was passed by all, dems and republicans.

AutoCadskills,
They look better than those potato sacks Michelle wears.

If anyone skipped the primary vote in Florida, then they are not real voters. Real voters vote when they have a chance. Under their state law, that was the only day to vote in a primary. If you don’t vote, you don’t get to complain. Even if it doesn’t count, that is your only legal chance to voice your opinion.
If someone didn’t vote, the the right to vote doesn’t mean much to you. If you don’t use your right to vote every time you have a chance, then you deserve the government you get and you can’t even complain about the elected party.

MEMYSELFANDI—FLORIDA LOCAL REPUBLIAN PARTY LED BY CHARLIE CRIST WITH A COUPLE LOCAL DEMOCRATS INCLUDING SLICK BILL NELSON{ A HILLARY SUPPORTER}.NOT THE NATIONAL DEMOCRATIC PARTY. I KNOW BECAUSE I LIVE N FLORIDA!

God Bless Hillary Clinton
The 44th President of the United States

Jeremy – I forgot to say that Obama would be ahead by about 300,000 votes. counting Florida and Michigan but with uncommitted votes as Obama votes.

jdona,
Thank you! Some people just don’t get it. You do!

I feel if they demand the vote to be recounted it should benefit all that is involved. Clinton seems to think if she is going to over-turn this in florida she will win. Not fair Clinton so in my opinion as a tax payer and register voter where we play fair. Sorry but this must not be turned over. It seem its only benefitting you and not all involved.

To Harold….. Residents of the state of Michigan are known as Michiganders or Michiganians………….Not michiganites…..

Clinton’s integrity is sorely lacking. She and Obama agreed to exclude Florida and Michigan but, now, that she could benefit from reversing her decision, avarice has replaced her ethical compass. Because of that agreement (contract) Obama did not compete in Michigan. He has been consistent from the beginning, where she has “flip-flopped.”

and it is not unfair to seat the Florida and Michigan delegates. Thos states votes matter too, regardless of when they held their primaries, and regardless of what CLinton did or didn’t say in the beginning of the election. I don’t see why when they had their primary matters.

Time to decide if we want to win the White House or not. It’s no longer an Obama-Clinton debate. It’s that neither of them can win the White House without the other. Time to put him first and her second and get to winning this thing for all of us!!! Because John McCain is going to win if we don’t put our two candidates on one ticket and start running the race. Everyone who thinks Obama will recreate these numbers on his own is nuts. Same for Hillary. It took both of them to energize the race. My candidate (that’s her) has won more votes than any other presidential candidate in history (herstory). Let’s get on with it. Obama-Clinton.

She’s got everything if you want a Democrat in the White House. Obama supporters have got to face the fact that he needs a broader coalition than he has. So does Hillary. But together what one can’t pick up, the other one can devour. Let’s get on the road to the White House.

When Hilary learns how to operate a gas pump, then maybe I will believe that she truly understands the plight of ALL hard working citizens. There are 109 million reasons why I can’t believe this at the present time. Bye Hilary.

My candidate (that’s her) has won more votes than any other presidential candidate in history (herstory). Let’s get on with it. Obama-Clinton.
Posted by: LonghornMama
Again, that is another myth that only Hillary and her supports are propagating. The metrics/math used to arrive at this number that she is using to say that she has won the popular vote is spurious at best, fraudulent at most! When taken accurately, Obama is actually the popular vote LEADER at this moment in time. PR may change that, but that is not the number that is in effect at this time.

Oh Larry – you’re spoiling all of the fun. With cogent arguments that reflect reality what are we to do on these comment pages? DAMN you Larry!

You can tell from reading these blogs who has experience negotiating terms and agreements. This is now all about brokering a deal on behalf of Hillary Clinton. Her supporters are not going to automatically capitulate to Obama. The DNC could put an end to the bickering right now by declaring this will be an Obama-Clinton ticket. If they don’t reach that agreement, and if we’re not smart enough to come to those terms, the winner will be John McCain.

There are two democratic candidates left. Both have baggage. However, Hillary is the stronger of the two. Obama’s questions have to do with (1) who he is and (2) what he stands for. Right now, the answers to these questions are vague. He is inexperienced, flip-flops on issues, weak on American history and geography, has relationships with people who are clearly anti-American/anti-white, his wife apparently is not very happy with America, and so on. There is more yet to come about Obama. Hillary has been vetted for years and no one can question Hillary’s patriotism for this country. To me the choice is simple.

If Obama hadn’t blocked revotes in MI and FL, than we wouldn’t be having this discussion.

@James,
Only an idiot would take his name off the ballot, an intelligent person would leave her name on the ballot.

Hilary Clinton should not get the Michigan and Florida votes from the January Primaries totally as she claims. I am quite disturbed at Hilary Clinton’s highly questionable and unfair stance. And she continues to debate just to debate. These are an insult to my intelligence. The more she speaks about this, the more I don’t like her. Her quotes are totally false. With all she has been saying, she has caused even more problems for those states voters. How can she get all the votes she won in Michigan when Barack Obama was not even on ballot??? Even my grandchildren can see this is unfair. I just can not believe Hilary is using this “populist tactic”. She has shown she wants this to benefit “only” her. All of her “political marketing” quotes saying she has received most popular votes is unbelievable!!!! This is a well known divisive untrue marketing tool!! Check with some friendly marketing consultant experts. What an insult to us voters. Does she really think we are that ignorant? Wow I saw problem when she first brought it up. Then went and researched to check on history regarding these primaries. My feelings this was unfair for her to do was quite correct.
If she wins all these votes from Michigan and Florida I will have lost all faith in Democracy. We all play by rules in many different types of events. Once an event is started rules can not be changed. Rules can be changed for future events, but not for an ongoing event.
Principle is principle. Honesty and fairness are important. Anything less is dishonest and unfair!
These states were negotiating move up date since 2002 or even before. They were told not to do. So they decided to do anyway, even when they were warned. Even got it passed in their state legislature. These state representative did not get it done right. And let all their voters down. Voters of these states are who I really feel sorry for.

Obama will not be cheated and should not be cheated. The system of proportional delegates is flawed, but it’s the system Democrats run under. You can understand that the other candidate who is leading in all of the real votes that have been cast equally has a right to say “What about me?” I will not automatically flip to Obama. I think the DNC has been mismanaged the talented roster that began this race. There has to be an equitable solution to what Hillary Clinton gets out of having brought 17+ million people out to vote. Obama can have my vote. Comes at a cost of what Sen. Clinton gets in return.

And you wonder why Barak Obama did better in caucuses. Who would like to go to a caucus and face people like the ones in this discussion who think Hillary is a witch and speak with such hate? Don’t you think it would be just a little bit uncomfortable to be around Obama supporters? OR even threatening?

Someone tell our ultra-intelligent ex first lady that when there are no opponents to run against as it was the case with Michigan, it’s no longer democracy, it’s dictatorship! And when the entire population of the two states has been told the votes will not count, the democratic process has not been exercised the way it was meant. Hillary, your character has been tested and you’ve shown not just America but the world your true colors:you’re one ruthless politician who see no limit to shrewdness… but the American people aren’t as stupid as you think!

In response to Bill, (commenting on Hillary’s stance to respect the will of the people through their vote) who wrote:
….NO, Mr. President. It is NOT YOUR job to worry about what the PEOPLE want. That’s CONGRESS’S job (specifically, the House’s, but now unfortunately the Senate’s as well to a somewhat lesser extent)! YOUR job is to LEAD, NOT to FOLLOW! YOUR job is to do what’s RIGHT and GOOD for the NATION, *EVEN IF* it’s UNPOPULAR!
You betrayed this principle most seriously when you signed that bill passed by the Republican “Contract With (On?) America” Congress, disbanding welfare as we had known it. EVEN AS YOU SIGNED IT, you said that it was the wrong thing to do, but that you were only doing what the PEOPLE wanted. NO!! You should’ve VETOED it! EVEN IF the People wanted it! You believed it to be a BAD THING! I personally disagree, but I was not President. YOU were. Doing what the PEOPLE (including me) wanted was NOT YOUR JOB!
Hillary looks to be of the same mold, unfortunately.
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Fortunately for you, Hillary defends Your constitutional civil right to allow you to vote for those in executive offices of this country, and then have your vote actually be counted, as one that reflects your will/choice. Period. Doing that as you did/do in clubs, school committees, adult organizations has never and does not remove any ‘checks & balance’ system in place, that you spoke of. This system still exists & comes into play when passing legislature in this country. Counting and recognizing Your vote for those in office is a separate issue; & does in No way change the balance in power between the 3 brances of govt. The issue of an election, in its truest sense, is to accept and count your vote and mine for the one ‘elected’. For an official to accept &count your vote, with others, does not mean they’re ‘leaning to what is popular; instead of what is best for country’ to do so. No elected official has the right to make a decision about who he or she thinks is or is not best for the country, when it comes to YOUR personal vote. That’s Not an issue they inject that power over, in order to supercede your will. Issues and laws posed by those once they’ve been ‘elected’, then meet up w/the checks & balance system, and those officials may not base support on what is ‘popular’ by the people. These are 2 separate things.

There is nothing about changing rules and role, there is only one clear voice from her heart…. and this>>> The Liberty and Justic for All Americans. We the people living here in Florida are not dead logs so not to be counted our voiceses and wishes.

LonghornMama — Hillary is never going to get on board to help Obama and the Democratic party. It’s not in her nature to be a team player. It’s her way or the highway.

Hillary—from one woman to another…give it up! You are hurting the democratic party and you are giving women a bad name.
Women will be preceived as brats who will say and do anything to get what they want.
Women will be preceived as vindictive when the don’t get what they want.
Women will be seen as bashing their male counterpart when they lose to them.
So for the sake of not giving us a bad name, give it up, already!

Ol’ Hillary is puttin’ on the full court press on Obama. Yeeehaaa! You go girl.
Clinton ’08!

White Male Veteran –
She wants the job! Why the heck doesn’t he ask her?

Anybody heard the one about women in politics and “EightBelles” the horse?
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA !!!!!!!!!

John Pen – Again I live in Michigan and wanted to vote for Obama. Where is my constitutional right to vote for Obama in a fair election going to show up?

In FL, the republican legislature set the date for the primary. The democratic party in FL had no say in this decision. Obama has turned his back on FL and his polularity is in the toliet. Hillary is the only one that can win for the democrats in november.

I am so tired of Hilary. She has no class or grace. She is coming off as very desparate. She should bow out gracefully. However, this is indicative of the Clintons-tacky and tasteless. I am so sorry that black folk ever made Bill Clinton feel like he was the first “Black President.” Hilary and her wife have gone out of their way to show that anyone is expendable in their quest for power and spotlight. I am embarrassed as a woman and hope that poeple do not feel that women cannot be powerful, tenacious and still graceful and glassy.

Nominate obama, paint FL, MI, OH, AR, W. VA, KY, red, and then cross your fingers for PA and IN. Clinton, at least those state’s start unpainted and many of them could swing blue.

Yu al say the Clinton’s are the greatest politicians in the world, but between them they have an impeachment(one of only 2 in U.S. history) and a spectacular failure in an election that she thought she had a divine right to. How many other new standards are you going to come up with to determine the outcome? It doesn’t matterhow many counties Obama lost in Kentucky or WV for that matter. Likewise the overall popular vote is irrelevant. It’s DELEGATES, stupid! If you don’t like the system then try to Obama-proof it in 2012

Johnnyn jacksonville—FLORIDA DEMOCRATIC SENATOR BILL NELSON A HILLARY SUPPORTER ALSO SUPPORTED THE MOVE!!!! SO DID MICHIGAN DEMOCRATIC GOVERNOR ALSO A HILLARY SUPPORTER APPROVE THE SWITCH N MICHIGAN!!

If Obama goes on the ticket without Clinton, there will be every opportunity to Obama-proof the process in 2012. Because McCain will win.

James, think of the consequences of punishing the voters in those states for actions that were not their own. Screw the party morons, if we want to take the white house back from the republicans, we NEED those states, and a lot of other ones that Obama can’t win. The party can sort out how to prevent this fiasco in the future after the election. This is about who can win the white house, and that isn’t Obama.

There is only one way Obama can win, cheat. Hillary has more votes, almost a quarter million, if the votes were counted in a fair manner, she would have more delegates. ************Anybody but Obama**********

The real crime is that Chelsea will forever think her mother has somehow been cheated out of something rather than she just lost … the making of another bitter woman.

Half the country wants Hillary and half want Obama. I will vote for either one since I don’t agree with republican policies. Although I will say that I don’t like the way Hillary is trying to spin this to win.

How can democrats who supported either Obama or Hillary really be so adamant against supporting the other one. Everyone, including the candidates, agrees that they aren’t that far apart policy-wise, whereas McCain really IS. When it just becomes a popularity contest, we get someone like President Bush, who seemed so gosh-darn likeable to so many people. How about voting based on issues?!
As to this primary mess, there needs to be some compromise to get Floridians and Michigonians to the convention, but it cannot be simply “as they voted,” particularly when Obama’s name wasn’t on the ballot in MI and the states themselves decided to simply flaunt the rules and have early elections. Hillary’s being disingenous here, but she’s right that we can’t just fail to include these states in the national convention!

Hillary should have the starring role in “The Biggest Loser”.

I want no part of what Obama has to offer….For someone thats suppose to be well educated … Obama Showed me something different when he decided to stay in a church that G.D America and hates all but whites Just how educated he is ….But he wants everyone to believe That he knew nothing about these kinds of sermons wright is well known for….B.S….Everytime somthing comes out about him he doesn’t know anything about it for a few days.. when the press brings it out then he comes out and still has lied about things till he was caught lieing about it again… Thank You Hillary 08

Hey, did everyone hear what Florida legislature did today. The national election is on November 4th, but they voted to move theirs up to October 21 because they will have more influence. No one can do anything about it because the constitution protects their right to vote and candidates can win without their state.

Mary,
You are delusional
You think Obama took his name off the ticket because he couldn’t win Michigan???? Are you kidding me?
Have you looked at the surrounding states?
Hillary was the ONLY one who left her name on the ballot just in case she needed to change the rules

Sorry BK…you are mistaken…
The others took their names off of the ballot for political reasons, the same holds true for Clinton. They all have their strategies and nobody is the worse or better because of it.
That’s what politics are all about…

MikeMo1947 – Great point!

Obama-Clinton!! McCain is interviewing VP candidates this Memorial Day weekend. If he chooses Romney, the only chance Dems have of winning is Obama-Clinton. If McCain were to choose Condy Rice, the election would be a shoo-in for red states. It’s time to stop bickering and put this ticket in ONE PIECE.

Ga …the only one who sounds uneducated on these blogs is you

Hillary Clinton will take the fight to the convention. If it leads to the loss for Democrats in the fall so be it. If they nominate Obama it would be a well-dserved defeat. McCain is a much better choice for presdient, but tt is ALSO payback time for Moveon.org extremists, scum bags like Chris Mathews, Tim Russert, and other media whores who are in the tank for Obama.

1.)
I don’t understand why Michigan and Florida shouldn’t count. Do the voters have say and control over when they are able to vote, or do they need to follow the party leads who set the date?
If that’s the case, then the people of those states did what they had to do, and are wrongly being punished.
2.)
In this Age of Information, are delegates and electoral colleges obsolete? I don’t think they need to speak for me, and clearly all of you have opinions. Tell these “representatives” to step aside.
3.)
Maybe listening more to the voices of the people isn’t such a bad idea, whether it comes from Hillary, Obama, or Mayor Joe Schmo Dingbat. Listening to the people for once would be a great change from listening to the lobbyists, representatives, and deep-pocketed corporations, and a real step in the right direction.
Stop wasting time making a war that doesn’t exist, or need to exist, and focus on things that actually matter.
Blah, blah, blah
Nobody for ’08! They all stink. Start over.

Go to the electoral map of Obama-McCain. Obama is only up in some states like CO and NM within the margin of error. States like WI and IN, Obama is flat even with McCain or behind. As a candidate, Obama cannot win this by himself or with “White Guy (you fill in the blank).” Why should people around the country give two craps if he pulls in Jim Webb? It won’t be the same and it’s not winnable for him. So now the bickering has to stop. Clear heads call for an Obama-Clinton ticket and let’s get to winning. I’ve been in public relations a long time. The Dems are about to get SMOKED.

Thanks for the reminder Rick…I will be watching…
I was GLUED to the Tv during that whole fiasco…

Her bundlers will pay her debt. You won’t have to do that. These are the kinds of stupid things that are clouding our brains while McCain is amassing an army. Let little stuff be little. Be big or go home time!

And for today’s events: from the L.A. Times: Hillary’s campaign debt has now soared to nearly $31 million, according to numbers crunched early this morning by The Times’ campaign finance guru, Dan Morain. She spent $28.9 million, nearly $8 million more than she took in. She used personal loans to make up part of the difference. She also delayed payments to consultants. Including the $9.5 million in unpaid bills from April, she owes consultants and other vendors $19.5 million. Not to mention the total $11.4 million she has loaned herself. Gallup Poll Daily tracking has documented a surge in Democratic voters’ support for Barack Obama over Hillary Clinton in recent days, swelling from a four percentage-point lead for Obama during the first part of May to a record 16-point lead for him in polling from May 16-18.
At the same time, support for Clinton among some of her traditionally stalwart support groups — women, Easterners, whites, adults with no college education, and Hispanics — has fallen below 50%.Having previously captured nearly the maximum level of support from black voters, Obama’s latest gains have come from a broad spectrum of rank-and-file Democrats. At least for now, he has expanded his position as the preferred candidate of men, young adults, and highly educated Democrats, and has erased Clinton’s advantages with most of her prior core constituency groups, including women, the less well-educated, and whites. Rasmussen Markets data gives Sen. Obama a 62.1% chance of winning in November”(results are updated on a 24/7 basis by market participants).The Rasmussen Reports Balance of Power Calculator shows Democrats leading in states with 200 Electoral Votes while the GOP has the advantage in states with 189.Gallup Poll Obama 55% Clinton 39% (May 18, 2008). 59 delegates to go for Senator Obama! United Mine Workers endorse Senator Obama. ‘Nuf said!

WoW! Reading all this venom from Obama supporters is really disgusting. Most of them can’t even spell, these are the educated?
I would like to congratulate all of you for just about clinching the nomination.
It was a great steal!
I, along with all thinking, non kool-aid drinking Americans wish you all the best. We hope you enjoy your short-lived victory as we know that America will never elect an anti-American racist.
We will never Damn America as so many of you seem so anxious to do.
Obama, the great divider. He can’t even unite the party and you all think he can win the GE!
ROFLMAO!!!!!

Demand that the FCC investigates the illegal in-kind camaign contrubutions of MSNBC to the obama campaign.

It’s amusing to read the comments of Obamamaniacs that Obama has already “won”. If you get your information from Keith Obamaman in MSNBC this is what will happen- ignorance. Here is a breaking news for you…… Per rule book the nominee is elected AT THE CONVENTION.
Since most Obama supporters are fresh off the College Assembly line, their impression that the Convention is irrelevant to the Nomination process, can be forgiven as simple ignorance promoted by their Messiah.
Nothing could be easier for Clinton, than preventing Obama from securing the Democratic Presidential nomination until Denver. She just has to hang around. Once in Denver, an hour is all that’s needed for unpledged delegates to cast their votes independently of the ever-present media pressure that currently holds the entire country hostage.
Obama cannot withstand another 3 1/2 months of media scrutiny. He would have folded LONG LONG TIME ago if the media had been honest and had exposed him in December.

obama must appologize for what he is trying to do to 2.3 million voters in FL and MI!
we don’t need zimbabwe here. This is the USA – COUNT ALL THE VOTES!

Sandy, someone forgot to tell the voting public that Hillary’s base has eroded. Clinton’s popular vote in Kentucky exceeded Obama by a quarter of a MILLION people. Puerto Rico may give her another MILLION votes. She’s not waning, and her supporters are hangin’ in — until we see our candidate receive a position of power to help this nation. She brought out that many people to vote. And she will not be swept away quietly. Her supporters won’t allow it.

A true democrat, please tell me how Obama has divided the party, why is it his fault.

obama needs to go to zimbabwe if he thinks that we do not count the votes in the USA!
2.3 million people in FL and MI have exercised their constitutional to vote.
obama wants to exclude them from the table because they didn’t vote for him??
we will never vote for obama if ALL votes in FL and MI are not counted EXACTLY the way people voted.

THE CLINTONS ARE DETERMINED TO BE SPOILERS. In reality, the Clintons have declared war on the Democratic Party,
Posted by: Dr. Sam | May 21, 2008 9:48:32 PM
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Dr.Sam,
Kindly Sir, In your erudite post, you have forgotten one very important fact- probably you did so willfully. And that is you should have written that 60% of the long-term core democratic voters have declared war on the “democratic party”.
That would have been an intellectually honest, at the same time a very scholarly observation.

obama claims that he wants to ‘unite’ the party but he refuses to count the votes of the democrats in FL and MI.
boy, have we heard the “i’m a uniter’ cd before..
let’s be clear here:
the ONLY reason obama does not want to count the votes in FL and MI is because HE LOST.
so obama’s changhe, obama’s democracy is pretty clear:
you don’t vote for me you don’t count!
WE will not vote for obama.

This is her strong case? This is a joke. We don’t elect presidents by popular vote. Someone should explain to Hillary that we have a republic. Perhaps she doesn’t understand the electoral college system, either. The rules for the Michigan and Florida primaries were set long ago, and she agreed to them, as did the other candidates. She only changed her mind about the rules when she found it in her interest to do so. Of course, she wants to count the votes as they occurred in these rogue primaries. In Michigan, it would mean 0 votes for her opponent. That’s not democratic–that’s a Putin-style election.

Just a quick-reminder: “Obama is 50% white” So Earl, no… you will not be thrown under the bus… you’ll just be on it.

Doesn’t anyone ever ask themselves where we would be in this nominating process if Obama had been vetted in the beginning of the process instead of half way through when we first saw the Reverend Wright tapes? Would he still be ahead in pledged delegates if the main stream media had done their jobs instead of just feeling “tingles” down their legs when he gave a speech?
Obama and Edwards voluntarily took their names off the ballot in Michigan as a purely political move so they would not lose to Hillary Clinton, then they realized their error when she didn’t, tried to get their names back on and couldn’t. Barack Obama’s lawyers blocked all attempts at a revote in Michigan, and the Obama supporters can say anything about it that they want, the voters in Michigan know the truth.
Barack Obama is an inexperienced, arrogant, race-baiting opportunist, and if the DNC and the corrupt left wing of the party continue in their attempt to shove this man down our throats, McCain and the McCain Democrats will paint this country red in November.
There is a revolution going on in this country, a revolution against a biased main stream media, against sexism, against disenfranchising millions of voters, against a corrupt Democratic Party who thumbs its nose at its base and continues on over the cliff without a care in the world for what is in the best interests of this country. Oh, yes, there’s a revolution going on, and it’s a beautiful thing to see!

It’s a sad day in America, when an inexperienced, hypocrite can talk his way to get votes. Obama is one of the dirtiest politicians in the history of Illinois. His past 11 years in politics has no “change” except more lies, deceit and false promises. His past is proof that he does not practice what he preaches. Only the weak minded and mentally challanged will vote for him.

The DNC meeting is taking place on the 31st in DC and it is open to the public

“Nothing could be easier for Clinton, than preventing Obama from securing the Democratic Presidential nomination until Denver. She just has to hang around. Once in Denver, an hour is all that’s needed for unpledged delegates to cast their votes independently of the ever-present media pressure that currently holds the entire country hostage.
Obama cannot withstand another 3 1/2 months of media scrutiny. He would have folded LONG LONG TIME ago if the media had been honest and had exposed him in December.”
Amen.

Sorry Demo…I found evidence to the contrary about the food stamps…it is just a story…
When you look at Obama’s timeline it is impossible…seriously.
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/when-was-obamas-mom-on-food-stamps?referer=sphere_related_content

Fact #1:
In a straight contest Hillary would have defeated Obama, the same way she defeated him in CA, OH, PA, NY, TX.
Fact#2:
FL and MI are a mess-up. It’s not the fault of the voters of these states.
Fact#3:
Obama camp DID everything possible to oppose a re-vote since they know fact#1.
Fact#4:
Obama camp knows Facts 1-3 above, still say Obama played by the rules and so votes of these states should not be counted.
Fact#5:
Fair-minded people understand what kind of b.s Obama camp is indulgin in and will ensure the defeat of Obama if he steals the nomination by disenfranchising FL&MI.

I love sitting here and watch the dems shoot theirselves in the foot once again. You handed the repubs the last two elections and now you are fixing to hand them another one. And both sides are displaying such childish antics “If Hillary doesn’t get nominated, I’m going to vote for McCain” and the same with Obama’s camp. What a bunch of little crybabies. People it’s about the democratic party not all this racist/gender conflict… soooo keep on keeping on Hillary and I’m sure McCain will send you flowers on the night he’s inaugerated. You ARE beaten Hillary now sit down and have a cookie.

My family of 5, wife, and three daughters and extended family of 19 white middle class disenfranchised Floridian Reagan Democrats will become Republicans and vote for JM if BO is the nominee. This man simply does not understand us, our values, and thinks it is cool to diss us and disenfranchise us and to show his arrogance, distain for the strongest courageous woman leader this country has ever seen. The disdain, contempt that the elitist Obama campaign and the Nancy Pelosi run out of touch Democratic party has shown her and the sham treatment the first potential woman president has recieved from CNN, MSNBC and the media are truly disgusting and revolting. Down with the Democratic Party. We need to find an alternative to them, perhaps an independent party with mayor Bloomberg at the helm. Enoguh is Enough. No Obama. There are 19 votes for JM is HRC is not the nominee.

If a someone cheated on a test, do u think it should be counted? Florida and Michigan was told by the DNC, if you changed the date of the elections then it won’t be counted at all. Florida and Michigan didn’t listen and broke the rules. While 48 States followed the DNC rules. So if you are unhappy with it then blame your Florida and Michigan for not listening and following the rules. People who break rules will not be rewarded, and when Hillary agreed to the rules in the beginning and since she is losing now, she want to change the rules she agreed. Stop whining. Is this how you teach your children, break the rules and you’ll be rewarded??? Do whatever it takes to win and losing it not ok?

stop the FRAUD!
over 17million peopel voted for hillary so far.
obama and the sexist talking tv heads are trying to convince the dnc that they should hand this over to obama??
obama and the sexist talking heads on tv know that if ALL votes are counted obama loses!
that is why they are opposing counting the votes.
put them all in a bag and send them all to zimbabwe!
this is the USA!!
WE COUNT THE VOTES IN THE USA!

there is only one reason obama doesn’t want to count the votes in FL and MI:
HE LOSES if those votes are counted!
obama and the sexist talking heads on tv know that if ALL votes are counted obama loses!
that is why they are opposing counting the votes.
put them all in a bag and send them all to zimbabwe!
this is the USA!!
WE COUNT THE VOTES IN THE USA!

Is this how you teach your children, break the rules and you’ll be rewarded??? Do whatever it takes to win and losing it not ok? Posted by: Tony | May 21, 2008 10:07:56 PM
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We also teach our children, not to lie like Obama and his supporters. We tell them don’t indulge in lawyerly talk, b.s. We tell them you know Obama lost and would lose if an actual vote happened, and since the mess-up helped Obama, they are pretending they are all for rule-0f-law. In summary, we tell our children not to indulge in sleazy Obamia since it’s bad for their health.

Another truth is this (and you all can argue as much as you like about MI and FL): Your homegirl, Hillary, signed and agreed that MI/FL delegates will not be counted during the primaries.. so be reasonable and ask yourselves, “why did she have a change of heart??? Do she really care about the people of MI or FL
or that she thought she would have the nomination locked up by Feb or Mar at the latest?

hillary has won and WILL WIN the popular vote!
that is the ONLY vote that counts now since neither obama nor hillary can reach the winning number of pledged delegates.
FOLLOW THE WILL OF THE VOTERS!
obama and the sexist talking heads on tv know that if ALL votes are counted obama loses!
that is why they are opposing counting the votes.
put them all in a bag and send them all to zimbabwe!
this is the USA!!
WE COUNT THE VOTES IN THE USA!

Bunk! Look…as voters it is our responsibility to hold elected officials accountable. That’s the problem …we elect them..and then are quick not take the heat when they do not do our bidding. If you vote solely along the premise that the candidate looks like you as opposed to injecting common sense, which has nothing to do with formal education, then bite the bullet my friend.
Florida has a problem and it’s called elected officials. They placed voters in the position they THINK they find themselves. Personally, I don’t think Floridians have EVER had a real impact on the primaries since by Super Tuesday much of this is already decided. If you don’t like what they did, then appropriately place the blame. You can not blame Reverend Wright for everything! I don’t care who wins or how much they win by (like it matters), but I do care that the loser lose gracefully and not place themselves before the Party.
If Hilary were Obama, for a host of reasons, none of us would be engaged in ANY of this discussion. I never realized DEMS had such a difficult time at grasping REALITY. Pull your lever and I’ll pull mines. Whatever happens just happens. Personally, in 40 plus years no politician or his choice of Pastor has done ANYTHING to improve my life. Where they fail year after year, I just keep moving forward as if they don’t know I exist. Which they don’t.

Hillary supports can take their votes and do whatever they want with them. Their threats and childish antics are pathetic. The “I’m going to take my ball and go home” routine should end in about 3rd grade for all mature adults. Clearly Clinton supporters don’t fit that mold. But hey wasn’t it Clinton that recently said no to a MI to give her 10 more delegates from that state? Wasn’t it Clinton who agreed not to recognize those votes in Aug ’07? Wasn’t it Clinton who said the votes in MI mean nothing in Oct ’07? Sad and pathetic only applies to her and her supporters. Barack does not want or need your poor sport sore loser votes. Take your ball and go home…

obama WAS on the ballot in MI – you are just another obama LIAR!
obama took his name off the ballot because he saw the polls and he WAS LOSING!
why do you obama people chose to be LIARS??
why do you refuse to tell the TRUTH?
why do you insist that VALID VOTES not be counted??
obama and the sexist talking heads on tv know that if ALL votes are counted obama loses!
that is why they are opposing counting the votes.
put them all in a bag and send them all to zimbabwe!
this is the USA!!
WE COUNT THE VOTES IN THE USA!

REALLY ? EVEN IN ZIMBWABWE THERE WAS OTHER CANDIDATE IN BALLOT WHILE IN MICHIGAN IT WAS NOT.
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OOOOOH, REAAAALLLY? What could be the explanation for Obama camp opposing the efforts of MI legislators to have a revote with both Obama and Clinton’s name on the ballot? New kind of politics???Sleaziest, Chicago thug Axelrod Variety politics.

Hillary and her supporters should and would fight all the way to the convention. Since DNC and the media are in the tank for Obama, there is no other way.

is there any, i mean ANY obama supporter who wants to join me and say this:
EVERY SINGLE VOTE SHOULD BE COUNTED IN AMERICA!
common, you can do that!
obama and the sexist talking heads on tv know that if ALL votes are counted obama loses!
that is why they are opposing counting the votes.
put them all in a bag and send them all to zimbabwe!
this is the USA!!
WE COUNT THE VOTES IN THE USA!

To those who say Obama needs Hillary’s supporters to win? Yup, true story.
Do you think Hillary might need Obama’s supporters to win? Do you think Hillary needs Obama’s supporters?
Since Obama’s in the lead on ALL counts, I think Hillary camp would need Obama’s camp more.
I’m all camped out, and McCain, unlike Hillary, does not have a MANDATORY healthcare plan. Who do you think I’ll vote for if Obama is not the nominee? Nobody asked me at the poll. I’m sure there are others just like me.
Don’t make me vote for McCain because Hillary wants to cheat and divide the party.
If the party *must* have a woman, Sebelius could be the VP.
Obama/Sebelius ’08!
Proud Black Woman Supporter of and Voter for Obama

Average Joe… um… not just pledged delegates but whoever has the most delegates (pledged or super-delegates) combined of at least 2,026 votes wins the nomination. The popular vote doesn’t count for anything except for propaganda purposes… it was 2,025 but another vote was needed because a democrat won the northern mississippi congressional seat.

Eric..The Clinton’s have more money than “GOD”…so don’t worry about them going hungery.

No way should Florida or Michigan be counted. Both states deliberately broke Democratic Party rules, they themselves voted for, regarding when the primary voting would occur. To now just say, “Oh it’s alright” and let them sit at Convention, shows the Party Leaders have no true authority and ANY state can just do as they please. The citizens of both states will have their chance to vote – - IN NOVEMBER! p.s. Hang it up Hillary! OBAMA IS OUR MAN!!

Posted: Friday, 16 May 2008 11:14AM
Why I’m Turning Down Obama
Steve Corbett Reporting
corbett@wilknewsradio.com
Friday, May 16, 2008
“Operation Turndown” has deep roots in my own personal radical politics.
If Barack Obama is the Democratic nominee for president, I will not vote for him.
I will turn him down.
Judging from callers to “Corbett” yesterday, so will many other Democrats.
Democrats must follow their hearts and their heads.
I’m part of an impromptu movement born of outrage and frustration to which Democratic Party leaders need to pay very close attention. I’m a radical Democrat and proud of it.
Radical politics is one reason why I majored in “Community Development” at Penn State in 1970, after showing up there in September of 1969 with an open mind and a head loaded with ideas – not all of them good.
By November I was on the street in DuPont Circle in Washington, D.C., getting tear-gassed by National Guard troops during an anti-war protest. The next day I watched the attack on the Justice Department. The next year I watched my state cop father show up on my campus in riot gear.
I spent the next 30-some years developing my perspective and my honor as a daily newspaper columnist and broadcast commentator on television and radio.
I’ve learned from it all. I’m still learning.
And all these years later I still value my community development education and my degree from the counterculture school of hard knocks. The lessons of Kent State, My Lai, and the mean streets of Chicago under the first Mayor Richard Daley remain a part of my pledge of allegiance to real change I can believe in.
I’m not some bizarre social isolationist who’s stuck in the past, either. I value lasting friendships with a wide array of people who hold extremely different political beliefs.
I’m even friends with some conservative Republicans.
But in my heart I’m a radical Democrat.
Yet I’m a model citizen who advocates non-violence and negotiation.
Although I would have likely joined the Molly Maguires back when coal barons oppressed my Irish miner ancestors in Northeastern Pennsylvania and I publicly supported the IRA against British tyranny during my visits to Belfast during the war, I’ve evolved into a principled person who values the power of the ballot over the bullet.
That’s why I’ve decided not to vote for Barack Obama if he wins the Democratic nomination to run for president. I’m with Hillary Clinton until the end.
If she loses and Obama offers her a spot on the ticket as vice president, I’ll consider endorsing the ticket. Still, I offer no guarantees and encourage Hillary to decline the VP spot even if she’s offered the job.
Hillary is the strongest, best candidate. Hillary can beat John McCain. Hillary is my Democrat.
Even if party bosses tell me that we must get behind the nominee and that the nominee will be Obama, I have a choice. Even if family, friends and colleagues tell me I’m wrong, I have a choice. Even if you hate my decision, I have a choice.
And I will use it. To do otherwise would violate the principles I work hard to uphold. I’ve made a decision – a well-thought out, reasoned and rational decision.
Besides, I’ve been here before. I voted for Ralph Nader in 2000 and endured the scorn of others who blamed me for the Democratic loss. Don’t blame me, I said. Blame yourselves for not being able to convince enough people to vote for the Democrat.
The same argument holds true today.
Don’t blame me if Obama runs and loses because too many rogue Democrats, independents and Republicans do not have faith in his ability to lead during some very tough and trying times.
Ralph’s running again today.
So are many other candidates you’ve likely never heard of.
America is caught up in a two-party madness that offers voters too few options. The same well-heeled donors contribute cash to both parties and conspire for access that most Americans can’t even dream of having.
What we do have is a choice.
And I’ve made mine.
I’m turning down Obama.

Clinton only cares about her blind quest for power, she does not give a hoot for the voters of Florida and Michigan. She is a power hungry and selfish human being. She is a disgrace to the Democratic party. Please, Al Gore or someone step in to stop her!

Obama opposed numerous proposals to hold new primaries in both states. He was understandably afraid that he would lose again. The math may be with him now, but increasingly, the voters he needs to win in November are not. Polls out today and yesterday show Hillary defeating McCain in Florida, North Carolina, Ohio, Missouri and Arkansas to name a few while McCain beats Obama in all these contests. Obama has said he would make new states like Virginia, Georgia, Nebraska or Kansas competititive, but McCain beats him in all of these states and Hillary does much better in many of them. At least Dems are consistent–we have a knack for nominating losers.

I have to wonder how the Hillary supporters would react if the shoe was on the other foot – Senator Obama would have been forced out of the race long ago. ABC News blogs are the only blogs I frequent where the anti-Obama remarks are so ugly – even insulting spelling errors or typos. I thought this was a blog, not an English Lit. class. Yes, the convention is the place where the candidate is finally nominated. So, Senator Obama will be formally nominated at that time. For now he is the presumed nominee – just like McCain on the Republican side. Senator Obama needs only 59 delegtaes as of this afternoon to secure the nomination – that is a combination of pledged and superdelegtaes. He will have that by June 3rd. If you believe that the convention is the turnover point from Obama to Hillary you are not rooted n reality. It is not going to happen. Senator Obama is the nominee – live with it or vote Republican – your choice – may your children and grandchildren forgive you. And may God grant that they do not come home in a body bag.

The Pubs will never go for a McCain/Jindel ticket. It will most certainly go McCain/Crist. Too much change for Republicans for the highest offices of the land if Jindel was on there. They won’t go for that.

Let’s stir the pot and split the democratic party. I think the important question should be, no matter the primary outcome, is what direction to you want this country to go. If Obama wins and Hillary supporters can’t handle the loss and refuse to vote democratic, well the landscape the nation will be on their hands. Bush has done a lot of damage and without democratic leadership in the White House it will continue to be more on the same. Hillary and Obama share the same policy views, with minor differences in there approach. For those angry Hillary supporters, please think beyond your anger.

Interesting Hate Speech from the Clinton supporters and HRC.
Every time I want to give HRC the benefit of the doubt, her true instincts fight to the surface and reveal their ugly nature.
Translation to what she is saying; Obama is George Bush???
Face it, Obama IS the nominee, so to the obstinate ones who declare they’ll cross the aisle, what are you hoping to achieve for the next 4 years? And if it is Hillary 2012 as you say, do you think the country will be more or less supportive of her?
Your complaints sound like sour grapes.
And the popular vote argument is ludicrous, if you count the caucus states, he’s back in the lead – so does that mean he has more popular votes? If you count Michigan’s uncommitted, all 250,000 of them for Obama, he’s in the lead comfortably, do you count those? Are we worried about disenfranchising those 1/4 million people?
Or is it that HRC supporters really just have no moral high ground to stand on and want to slosh around in the mud?
Just as Obama can’t win without Hillary’s supporters, so to can’t Hillary without Obama’s supporters. Face it, if we want what we say we want – more folks covered with healthcare, an end to the war in Iraq, energy independence, improved education standards, better fiscal prudence…then we need to coalesce around the eventual nominee.

Hillary’s supporters shout all day and night on blogs??? What a JOKE!
I have been following the blogs for months and Obama’s supporters by far have been the nastiest. They are quick to judge Clinton, but when anyone questions poor little Barack, they are the first to cry about it. They have overwhelmed the blog boards.
Guess Obama Supporter that will not vote clinton-ever again must be one of those “uneducated” voters that decided against Clinton and went to Obama’s camp.
Maybe that Kool-aid made him/her smarter…hope, change, we can change the world, hope, change, we can change the world, hope, change, we can change the world…
Sounds like a Coke commercial…oh wait…Coke…lol…that is what Obama snorted for years when he was a young adult…isn’t that a felony???

Derek…
Pucker, Pucker…the real sour grapes will come from Obama’s supporters when he LOSES…The Electoral map tells a very sad tale…
Obama IS the nominee…hmmm…I thought that will not be decided until the convention…that is unless Clinton decides to drop out…
Come on…get your facts straight about how this is all done…

If the chades were reversed Obama would insist on
counting the popular votes as well.
Face it this a close race, so every opportunity that the Constitution allows should be exercised.
“There can be no real freedom without the freedom to fail.”
Julie Runco, Burbank Ca.

Hillary could care less about “the will of the people” only about her own ambitions. Do you think she would be concerned at all about Florida and Michigan if she was ahead right now? The woman is such a phony and so power hungry that I always have to wonder

Why doesn’t Clineton want every vote count. Clinton would only allow a revote in FL if it was limited to the people that voted last time (when she won). Why is she denying the vote to people who thought it would count and would be done again? Why is Hillary claim all her delegates in Michigan and no one else gets any? 55% vote for her and 45% voted against her, so why don’t their votes count. Why is Clinton not wanting to count the vote in the caucus states? Does their vote not count because these people were civil to each other and don’t have to hide in a voting booth. And don’t give me grief about caucuses because I am a life long independent and each election I decide which party’s caucus I will attend. In all my years (I am 60) I have not witnessed a single time where pressure was put on the participates to vote a certain way. All candidates have a person give a five minute speech as to why their candidate is the best. In fact, I don’t remember any of these persons saying anything negative against candidates in their own party. They do attach the other party. We even get to hang around if we want and make proposals, discuss, and vote on the party platform. All in big open rooms in schools and churches. So why is Clinton against these people getting their vote counted.

And people think Clinton is a “dirty” campaigner….
http://uspolitics.about.com/b/2008/03/29/obama-king-leadership-pacs.htm

Florida votes must count and yes the the republican controlled House (44D & 77R) and republican controlled Senate 14D & 26R voted to change the primary date. Was this done to have these delegates and votes voided?? Michigan on the other hand needed Democratic votes to change their primary.

I understand that FL should count in some way. However, MI is a completely different story. Senator Obama and John Edwards both took their names off the ballot because they knew the votes would not count according to the pledge all THREE of them signed. Only dear Hillary left her name on the ballot. Now I understand why. Go ahead – vote for McCain because you cannot support the Democratic candidate. 70% of Deemocrats would vote for Hillary if she was the candidate. Her supporters are not as loyal to the party. BTW, Senator Obama, in the most recent national Gallup poll, leads both Hillary and McCain.

why are the obama supporters trying to push this country down the zimbabwe’s way??
WHY????????????
ALL VOTES ALL DELGATES in MI and FL!
obama and the sexist talking heads on tv know that if ALL votes are counted obama loses!
that is why they are opposing counting the votes.
put them all in a bag and send them all to zimbabwe!
this is the USA!!
WE COUNT THE VOTES IN THE USA!

Why can’t Hillary seal the deal?

Obama supporters.
Please get a grip. Hillary supporters are not crossing the aisle because we are sore losers. We are Democrats and very experienced at losing, so it is not a big deal.
We will not vote for Obama because he is a despicable, anti-American, racist liar.
How you can all ignore all his evils while harping on things like Hillary’s pantsuits is beyond me.
You should all consider yourselves very lucky that we true Americans are saving you from yourselves.
As I have stated before, honorable candidates Gore and Kerry, who the party was wholly united behind, lost the White House in 2000 & 2004. Half of the party will not vote for this liar.
This separatist does not stand the slightest chance of being elected POTUS.
Thank God. Surely, God will Bless America and protect her from Obama supporters who wish to damn her.

Averagejoe, calm down. Fl and Mi will be counted. But Hillary can’t claim all the popular vote in Mi.

I was for Hillary but was considering voting for Obama until I heard about his pastor and watched the View and heard Whoopi explain that white people just don’t understand. I do understand and Obama does not have enough experience to run this country. Reading the above comments it becomes apparent that many others feel the same. If all votes are not conted (don’t we preach to every other country about the democratic process of every vote counts) I will vote for McCain and probably will if Obama is the canidate.
I am a educated woman who has a choice

we don’t need no obama liars!
‘change you can believe in’??
not counting ALL VOTES – is tha ‘your’ change??
ALL VOTES ALL DELGATES in MI and FL!
obama and the sexist talking heads on tv know that if ALL votes are counted obama loses!
that is why they are opposing counting the votes.
put them all in a bag and send them all to zimbabwe!
this is the USA!!
WE COUNT THE VOTES IN THE USA!

I see some uneducated people and some emotional women freaking out and threatening to vote for McCain, go ahead stupid and send your kids to war, the warmonger hero deserve to screw you.
when one vote against his best interest just to spite the other guy, there can not be a more moronic stupid argument.
So to all women who are holding a grudge, your loser fake would not go far, she can not raise a penny, owes over 30 millions and hardly spent anything on her campaign except on food to fatten her behind.

Hillary is nothing without Obama’s supporters! Gallup Poll Daily tracking has documented a surge in Democratic voters’ support for Barack Obama over Hillary Clinton in recent days, swelling from a four percentage-point lead for Obama during the first part of May to a record 16-point lead for him in polling from May 16-18. At the same time, support for Clinton among some of her traditionally stalwart support groups — women, Easterners, whites, adults with no college education, and Hispanics — has fallen below 50%. You die-hards can shout all you want. The move is on for Senator Obama.

Patty, the reason the dems lost to Bush is because of Karl Rove and the christian conservatives. McCain doesn’t have them this time. Obama is not evil lol

Can we advise her to see a psychiatrist?

Whitey—-So your “source” for posting that garbage is another blog full of hateful people? Either come up with a REAL source or spare us the lies. mspasadena—-How can anyone “hate” people they don’t even know? There is serious help out there…seek it out. These kind of posts make me glad we don’t go by popular vote in this country. There are too many people who don’t have a clue and are not intelligent enough to make a decision about something this important.

Easy to say Senator Obama is “evil” with no facts to back it up. More rhetoric from the Hillary spinners!

mspasadena………….
You are hateful, make unintelligent arguments and reflect poorly on Obama.
Shame on you for condeming Hillary to hell……..how offensive you are.
If you are the bullies that controlled the Caucus states that gave Obama the delegate lead, then we are all damned.

A very popular device used during the Jim Crow era was for political parties in the south to make rules for voting that denied blacks the right to vote in primaries. The Supreme Court on several occasions stated that since the winner of the primary was often the de facto winner of the general election, political parties could not make arbitrary rules that denied people the right to vote in primary election.

This is America. If you have a problem with anyone other than a white male Christian President, then you need to leave. His father is a Muslim. And the problem is? I know – you want him to denounce and reject him, right? Fool!

Ok Patty, tell me why he is evil.

Does anyone really care if the votes in FL count? I mean, this is the state of the hanging chad. It’s obvious the people in the state don’t realize how serious this is. We’re not voting for Hooters Girl of the Year!

Go HOME OBAMA!!!
GO BACK TO SERVING IN THE SENATE YOU ONLY HAVE 1 YEAR EXPERIENCE BEING A JUNIOR SENATOR!
Go HOME OBAMA!!!
Go HOME OBAMA!!!
Go HOME OBAMA!!!
Go HOME OBAMA!!!
Go HOME OBAMA!!!
Go HOME OBAMA!!!
Go HOME OBAMA!!!

jmengate
773 is Chicago I believe. If it is not I sure wish they would quit making me pay Chicago taxes, and all these royalties I have to pay to Daly , Stroger, and their minions.
I am also so proud that as of yesterday Chicago now has the highest price for gasoline per gallon in the nation.
Of course! Chicago is always #1 in graft and corrupt politicians. That is how we got Obama.

dhuntguru – Heh?

mspasadena…………….
GET A LIFE you moronic hateful person…………….

Let’s get to the point here. Hillary claims that the primary vote in Florida was a vote by the people and that it should be counted because it is an accurate view of Democrats in the State of Florida. Well, if you live in Florida, as I do, and paid attention to the news, as I did, you knew before you voted that the primary vote would not be counted. That’s exactly why neither her nor Barack campaigned here, and it’s precisely why I, and others, simply did not bother to vote…because we knew it wouldn’t count anyway!! Anyone who believes that vote spoke for all Democrats is sadly mistaken. Hillary is simply trying to bully her way into the White House. You can bet if she was leading in the delegate count, she wouldn’t give a hoot about Florida.
Of course, we have the Republican-lead Florida State Congress to thank for this mess. They managed to push through legislation that would move up Florida’s primary, knowing full well what would happen. They’re magnificently corrupt. Very little has changed since the fiasco in 2000.

You people have gone too far now. This blog has officially turned to garbage.
GoodNight folks!!

V for Vendetta:
Maybe Hillary has more moxey than all those other politicians. If you want change sometimes you have to be the rock thrown into the pond to cause the ripple effect and make change. Yes, I was POed at my senators and that is EXACTLY where I recieved my information… Senator Levin and Senator Stabanow themselves.
I wrote them and this was the info I recieved in a letter from both, so it does make me pretty mad when others whom know NOTHING and are not from my state or Florida talk like they know.. when they dont.

On Aug. 25, when the DNC’s rules panel declared Florida’s primary date out of order, it agreed by a near-unanimous majority to exceed the 50 percent penalty called for under party rules. Instead, the group stripped Florida of all 210 delegates to underscore its displeasure with Florida’s defiance and to discourage other states from following suit. In doing so, the DNC essentially committed itself, for fairness’ sake, to strip the similarly defiant Michigan of all 156 of its delegates three months later. Clinton held tremendous potential leverage over this decision, and not only because she was then widely judged the likely nominee. Of the committee’s 30 members, a near-majority of 12 were Clinton supporters. All of them—most notably strategist Harold Ickes—voted for Florida’s full disenfranchisement. (The only dissenting vote was cast by a Tallahassee, Fla., city commissioner who supported Obama.)

Suzan – Are you a guy?

This is not about the popular votes like Hillary is talking now, if she get her way with Florida and Michigan. If that was the case than Gore would have been President and the past 8 years would have never happened. But it’s about who got the most delegates. Hillary like to spin it however she like to spin it but at the end it’s Game Over for Hillary.

If Hillary Clinton wants to count the
Michigan popular vote than Obama
should get all of the non-hillary votes!
Otherwise Hillary stick it where the sun
don’t shine!

Pattydaggs says
Mspasadena. you are an ignorant bitch! No wonder you will vote for Obama…that’s the only kind of people who will vote for him…you are lacking a brain!! Educated people know better than to vote for this lying, scum loving idiot!
———————————-
Wow, What do you mean that’s the only kind of people that will vote for him. I am educated and an Obama supporter. You are lacking in manners my dear.

Hillary spoke on this issue and even agreed to disenfranchise both states..may be she misspoke…

Looks to me like Barack should have hired better educated paid bloggers. At least he should have hired bloggers who could compose a sentence and be able to spell. Seems to me like they might have been a bit more effective that way. As it is, they are coming off pretty ignorant, and they certainly aren’t changing my mind by their vitriolic name-calling. Of course, it’s obvious some of them don’t know what that word means, anyway.

As an John Edwards supporter, first let me say that I’m luke warm about both Clinton and Obama. I find it odd, however, that the media has failed to point out that while Hillary and her supporters are constantly characterizing Obama as a phony, it is unimaginable that the Clinton campaign would be so indignant about every vote being counted in Michigan and Florida if the math were going to move her farther away from the nomination rather than closer to it. Feigning concern for a principle merely out of self interest is the utmost in phoniness and hyprocisy.

Here is the problem facing the Democratic Party. If it ignores the votes from Florida and Michigan, it is disenfranchising millions of voters whyo did not choose to hold the primary election early. It was the legislatures that made the decision. If the Democratic Party includes Florida and Michigan, it will need to change the rules. So I ask you, what is worse? I think that changing the rules is a better solution than disenfranchising millions of voters.

Pattydaggs,
you are the one that is not classy calling people ignorant just because they support Obama. What class does Hillary have, look into whitewater and Peter Paul and everything else. She has so much baggage. And she doesn’t give a damn about the working class. She is just using them to get her elected. I’m sorry you don’t see that.

And about that popular vote claim from Hillary – a popular vote doesn’t get you $31 million in debt. There’s nothing popular about that.

The Democratic nominee has not been chosen yet for the simple reason that the people failed to make a choice between Hillary and Barack. Because the people left the choice to the superdelegates, I can see no reason why Florida and Michigan cannot be involved in the process or why Hillary should be denied the popular vote. The more minds involved in deciding who can win in November the better.

I am so disappointed with these comments from Hillary Clinton. She knew the rules of the race when she began the race. She is out there trying to change these rules and get people to believe that rules can be changed because she is not winning the race. She knew that Florida & Michigan were penalized with the timing of their races before the process began. She then complained that caucus states were not fair to her. Because the math is not adding up in her favor, she is out there spewing spin, just like the TV political commentators do. This is not a Democratic process. To those Hillary posters who say they will not vote for Obama in November, just remember the state of the economy right now, the price of gasoline and food, the never ending war in Iraq, and the state of a woman’s right to choose on the Supreme Court. Out of bitterness, some folks would rather vote for a 3rd term for McBush rather than a person who can inspire our youth and protect and defend America and our interests? I hope Hillary can live with herself if this scenario plays out. I am done with the Clintons.

jmengate
Wow! You are just like Obama.
You think if you repeat a lie enough people will believe you.

Obama leads McCain 47% to 37% … while Clinton statistically ties McCain.
2008 General Election Match-ups
John McCain 37%
Barack Obama 47%
Ralph Nader 4%
Bob Barr 3%
Not sure/Other 10%
John McCain 40%
Hillary Clinton 41%
Ralph Nader 4%
Bob Barr 3%
Not sure/Other 12%

Patty – Ok, I give up. Yes, I’ll go on a date with you. Just let me know when and where. You realize most guys are idiots anyways, right?

Hillary and Rove and Bush OH MY. She wants to actually use a state’s votes where her opponents weren’t even on the ballot. Oh my god how far in the gutter will this woman crawl. Then to play the gender card in the process further demonstrates her lack of principles and fairness. Very similar to the tactics Bush used in the Fla recount.Oh god! Hillary is bringing the nastiest comments out of me.Man when I voted in the Wis primary I told my wife that I thought the Dems actually had 2 great candidates and it was actually difficult to decide which candidate was best. For once I wasn’t voting for the usual lesser of 2 evils but the best for the job. Hillary has changed my mind completely! She is dismantling the Democratic vote day by day and handing it to 4 more years of McBush. The goal here is to save lives in Iraq and at home for people without healthcare. She has completely lost sight of this,the ultimate objective. OBAMA 08

Hillary has gone off the deep end. She is comparing the Florida and Michigan vote not being counted like
Woman’s Suffrage
Civil Rights
Florida 2000
Zimbabwe election
One of the talk show heads thought she was Amy poeler doing a SNL skit.

jmengate
well ok, but what are code are we meeting in?

stanium: Does the popular vote in Florida count for anything, we asked Sen. Barack Obama on the ride from Tampa to Orlando: “Look, I think it’s fair to say that in all these races if I didn’t campaign at all and this had just been a referendum on name recognition, Sen. Clinton would be the nominee. That’s true in Iowa, that’s true in practically every state we’ve won. It’s pretty hard to make an argument that somehow you winning what is essentially a name recognition contest in Florida was a good measure of electoral strength there. It’s even tougher to make that argument in Michigan where my name wasn’t even on the ballot.
Obama also said splitting Florida’s delegation in half based on the Jan. 29 result – which was the GOP penalty what many see as the most likely outcome of the DNC rules committee on 5/31 – would be “a very reasonable solution.”
He made no apologies for signing a pledge to boycott Florida: “Everybody signed that. It was voluntary in name only. Had we not agreed to that we would be in a position where on the one hand the DNC was telling you this won’t count, on the other hand you’ve gone out of your way to offend the first two states where you know that it will count. I would hardly call that voluntary.”
http://blogs.tampabay.com/buzz/2008/05/obama-popular-v….

Pattydaggs all your posts are calling people idiots and ignorant and bitches. Why are you blaming Obama supporters for doing that when that is exactly what you’re doing.

I hope Hillary prevails. I have had second thoughts about Obama because, evne though I like him, I don’t think he can win against McCain in the Fall. It will be a replay of John Kerry if he is nominated. He will lose to McCain because we have a lot of stupid white blue collar voters that won’t vote for a black candidate with the Jeremiah Wright and other controversies hanging over him. And whether the Democrat Committee boycotted the Florida and Michigan primaries or not, the vote that took place SHOULD be counted. People took the trouble to come out and it should be counted. It isn’t changing in mid stream to have the one person, one vote principle still hold. Let the Democrat Party ruling committee change and compromise in the interest of a fair nominating process. Otherwise there will be lingering questions of who would have won if the Florida and Michigan primary votes had counted. If Obama is the clear winner after all is said and done, then fine, let him be the nominee and I’ll be 200 percent behind him. I am leaning toward Hillary only after careful deliberation about who is the better candidate for the Fall and who wins based on fair applicatoin of popular vote rules, but if Obama gets the nomination fair and square, then I’ll be behind his candidacy with all I’ve got.

To Mr. Pukes,
Since the ABC censors allowed you to comment, I will reply to you:
Meet me in Florida where I will PUKE all of over you

Obama supporters are the most venomous…look at all their dark, hateful comments… whatever happened to “Got Hope?”
All you guys are hypocrites!

staniam- Obama is not my Messiah thank you, Jesus is. But fair is fair. Hillary gave her word — and, that should be the end of it. Do you believe this whole thing plays well in other countries? Hillary will lose because her campaign was lacking money and she thought she had it wrapped up in a neat little bow after California. She asked why Obama can’t “wind it up” – my question is why can’t she? She has been running for 8 years already and had all that time to put together a winning campaign. I believe her ego is such that she didn’t think she could lose. I don’t think that is an asset in a leader. Forming a winning campaign from grass roots support is the sign of a leader. That is what Obama has done.

Mich6888, we are not angry, just tired of the Clintons and there ways. They hate america, they hate blacks and are obviously trying to ruin Obama’s chances for the general election so she can get a shot in 2012. She obviously could care less what happens in the country until then. She is pure evil and is a borderline facist.

In answer to a Muslim question posted above. I was born to a Roman Catholic mother and a Jewish heritage father. The RC Church claimed me from birth! I made my own choice as an adult. Obama has been ‘claimed’ by Muslims under the same thinking with man-made religious rules because of his Muslim-in-name- only father who was a drunk, a womanizer, and broke just about every other Muslim law. Obama’s family understandably shielded him as a child about the reality of his father and hence the false image he created of him. Obama is a Christian. His mother was an atheist who sent Obama to her parents far away from Muslim influence. Why didn’t the voters of Florida and Michigan do all of their howling at the onset of this mess? And, just who is doing most of the howling? Obama initially objected because HRC wanted to allow only a revote by voters who voted the first time. Duh? Many of you state you stayed at home so you could not have voted anyway in a revote according to HRC rules! How very democratic of her. We in other States would have supported a change of those decisions after a previous Florida fiasco but I did not hear any outrage that I could not possibly have missed. But, I do not support primaries that do not involve early States with diverse demographics to skew the results. Big Tuesday was to be a prime example but something happened between announcing candidacy and February 2008. Perhaps, some of us being real Americans dislike the idea of inevitability and/or dynasties but still prefer to have choices? Just a thought. Been around since JFK elections and the rumor mongering that the Vatican would take over America! I really did not want brother Robert assuming the Presidency as a Kennedy birthright. Did not vote for either Bush. This is America not India or Pakistan et al with their political dynasties. Sandy: Thank you for a very clear explanation about the disenfranchisement. Hillary and her supporters could have blocked it? Only one Obama supporter tried to? Interesting. Nobody listened to him. Now if we could unload Bill Clinton’s legacy of the Texas Two-Step system! Caucus votes here could be counted, one-by-one, since we each had to sign a sheet and not just raise our hands, and write out our choice in full name.

Hillary dont really care about Florida or Michigan, if Obama needed those two states to catch up with her then she would be crying heck no they broke the rules, she trying to play both sides of the fence and it won’t help her one bit.The same old politics nothing new!!!

My final comments for the night.
Florida legislature voted to move the date up. 2 senators voted against it and no representative voted against it. So don’t blame the republicans.
The national constitution and no state constitution has a provision to governs how political party. There are about 20 political parties and only two have primaries and caucuses. And the national party has total control over how they select candidates. The two national parties give some options to the states to decide.
Why do 45% of the voters in Michigan get their votes thrown away. 55% voted for Clinton and 45% voted again Clinton. Why don’t the negative votes against Clinton not affect the outcome?
Finally, many of you are threatening the Obama side that he is disenfranchising 17 million Clinton supports. That works both ways. If Clinton gets the rules changed so she wins, what do you think is going to happend to the 17 million that supports him. I think it is time for both sides to calm down and relax. Neither candidate is as bad as all this stupid mudslinging on this blog. Stop whining like a bunch of litte kids blaming everyone else for your problems. The founding fathers are rolling in their graves. I just hope foreigners are not reading this and thinking that this represents real American. If this is America’s best, it is no wonder we have the incompetent Congress and President we have ever had.

KiwiTricia – no problem – happy I could help clear things up. :) The problem coms when Hillary supporters ignore the facts or put Hillary’s spin on them.

Clinton is pandering. When she thought she was the presumptive nominee, her position was very different.
posted previously by another:
Actually, Senator Clinton, the Democratic Party did decide what to do. They decided to strip those states of all their delegates. This decision was made through the proper procedures, at the proper time, by the proper decision-makers — including your own adviser Harold Ickes, who voted “yes” on the delegate-stripping plan. The decision was clear and straightforward: if Florida and Michigan didn’t move their primary dates, they’d lose their delegations. Period. That was, and is, the decision.
You initially accepted this decision because it was politically necessary for you to do so — after all, you couldn’t be seen as the only candidate not currying favor with Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina. Now, you are refusing to accept that very same decision because it is, again, politically necessary for you to do so, as you can’t “win” without those “delegates” who were “elected” in those states’ illegitimate “primaries.”

staniam – Never said I wasn’t pathetic. At least I’m taking this election a little more seriously than some of you cry babies though. I mean, I respect your enthusiasm for your candidate, but this attitude of ‘screw the country I my candidate doesn’t win’ is just crap!

CLINTON AND CAPITULATION
It is NOT OVER until someone crosses the threshold in required delegates. Until then, the process should be allowed to proceed.
http://pacificgatepost.blogspot.com/2008/05/clinton-and-capitulation.html
It would be undemocratic to do otherwise.

staniam – Got to call it a night. Say ‘Hi’ to your buddy Rush when you decide to logoff. BUSTED you mate. Sorry, you’re too tranparent.

ALL VOTES ALL DELGATES in MI and FL!
obama and the sexist talking heads on tv know that if ALL votes are counted obama loses!
that is why they are opposing counting the votes.
put them all in a bag and send them all to zimbabwe!
this is the USA!!
WE COUNT THE VOTES IN THE USA!

staniam – and the caucus system was set up by Bill Clinton and Hillary’s former finance manager because they thought it would benefit Hillary this year. So knock the caucus system all you want – it lays at the Clinton’s feet!

Can anyone imagine Hillary Clinton sitting down with foreign leaders and compromising or negotiating. She’d be “flexing her muscles” as she is doing now. Remember she has promised to “obliterate Iran” causing an international incident. Iran sent a complaint to the United Nations in reference to Hillary’s stupid remarks. First, if her intent is to obliterate them, why would she give them the “heads up” putting all of our lives in danger. Just suppose Iran took her threat seriously and nuked us first.
She is desparate and dangerous!!!

Hillary (and Bill) Clinton have done more to help poor and working people than Obama has done in his latte-drinking life,including his post-graduate “field-trp” into the ghetto when he took up with Rezco,his slumlord friend.
Children’s Health Insurance, Family and Medical Leave Act continues to help MANY working Americans, although it probably goes unnoticed by his bourgeoisie supporters who don’t need it.
The hateful Obama supporters continue to try to re-write history, or are unaware that Gingrich Republicans ‘stopped the government’ and stopped paychecks for working families in the dead of winter until Clinton signed the welfare reform bill. Then they actually hated him for reducing the penalites and putting in job training programs to help with the transition.
Obama has relied on reverse racism,sexism and ignorance to get as far as he has in this race.He has benefitted from gaming the electoral system to let Republicans and caucus bullies determine the outcome of the Democratic Primaries.
Now his supporters want to be babies about Hillary finishing the primary campaign and exercising HER options for review.
If the tables were turned and Hillary supporters told Obama to drop out, what would they say?–Oh, I know…they would accuse everyone of being RACIST.

How come the neo-communist I knew in Bulgaria are just like the neo-conservatives here in the states. They dress the same, talk the same, act the same, it is uncanny the similarities. Even there world views are the same. It is so ironic.

Well put neil !!!!!

I’m with Hillary.

staniam – and you do? The reports of abuses were all over the Net blogs and on MSM – on BOTH sides – so don’t try and brush off abuses by Hillary supporters.

Obama has only won ONE (1) Primary!!! If they didnt have the cheating-promoting caususes they have– Hillary clearly would have won the nomination MONTHS AGO!!!!!!!!!
THIS DEMOCRAT WILL NEVER SUPPORT BARACK OBAMA!!
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….SAYING A BIG HELL NO TO B.O!

12SpeakOut – just like Hillary claims she is a victim of sexism. Oh, the spin, don’t you just love it! Even the media jumped on her today as well as the analysts – dear old Hilllary loves to play the spin game when when she can spin it in her favor and you people fall for it every time!

Newsweek article
Give credit where it’s due: Hillary Clinton has shown grit and determination in finishing out the race. She has proved herself a strong campaigner. And in the week since West Virginia, she has stopped the cheap shots that had marred her campaign this year.
But Clinton has continued with one claim that could have a pernicious effect on the Democrats’ chances in November. While she knows that the nomination is determined by delegates, Hillary insists on saying at every opportunity that she is winning the popular vote. And she has now taken to touting the new HBO movie “Recount,” which chronicles the Florida fiasco of eight years ago. Everyone can agree that the primary calendar needs reform. But popular-vote pandering is poison for Democrats. For a party scarred by the experience of 2000, when Al Gore received 500,000 more popular votes than George W. Bush but lost the presidency, this argument is sure to make it harder to unite and put bitter feelings aside.
Oh, and it’s not true.
Let me go through the numbers without making your head spin.
After Kentucky and Oregon, Obama has an official popular vote lead of 449,486.
This does not include Iowa (where Obama first broke from the pack), Nevada (where Hillary won the popular vote narrowly), Maine (where Obama won easily) or Washington state (another strong Obama state). Why? Because these caucus states don’t officially report their popular votes. But if we’re going to truly count all the votes, official and nonofficial, as Hillary advocates, you can’t very well not include caucus states.
Adding in the unofficial tally from caucus states, as estimated by realclearpolitics.com based on official caucus turnout and the number of local delegates selected at the precinct level, that gives Obama a lead of 559,708.
Now we come to Florida and Michigan, whose popular votes Hillary says should be counted. The argument for counting them is no better than for counting the caucus states (and maybe worse, considering that these states violated party rules by moving their primaries up on the calendar, and no one campaigned there). But for the sake of argument let’s count ‘em. That gives Hillary a lead of 63,373.
HILLARY WINS POPULAR VOTE!
Not so fast. If the Democratic National Committee completes its expected settlement on May 31, Florida and Michigan will each get half of their votes counted. Translated to popular votes, that would subtract about 325,000 votes from Hillary, putting Obama back into the lead.
Beyond not being official numbers, there’s another problem with counting Michigan in these totals. Obama wasn’t on the ballot there. You can say this was his own choice, but that doesn’t change the fact that had he been on the Michigan ballot he would have received a lot of popular votes. How many?
Try 238,168. That’s the number of Michiganders who voted for “uncommitted.” Were they possibly genuinely abstaining? Maybe a few hundred of them at most. The rest were clearly Obama supporters who launched a grass-roots campaign. Everyone in Michigan knew on January 15 that a vote for “uncommitted” was a vote for Obama.
That means that by a generous definition of popular votes (and remember, Clinton wants to enfranchise as many people as possible in her count), Obama leads by about 166,000 votes.
With a big win in Puerto Rico, Clinton could possibly erase that margin (plus several thousand more that Obama is expected to net in Montana and South Dakota). She could then proclaim that with the help of Puerto Rican voters who cannot vote in a general election, she is the popular vote winner.
The shorthand many Clinton supporters are already taking into the summer is that she won the popular vote but had the nomination “taken away” (as Joy Behar said on “The View”) by a man.
What a helpful message for uniting the Democratic Party.
If the Obama people have any sense, they will demand in their negotiations with the Clintonites that Hillary cease and desist in her specious claim to have won the most popular votes.
Given that more than 35 million voters took part in the Democratic primaries and caucuses, the math games on both sides look awfully silly. Everyone should agree to call it a tie.

Why do you feel all of the Super delegates are jumping ship and going to Obama?
Answer: They know the Clinton’s much better than we voters.
We had a great economy when Bill was in office, but let me explain why we had a great economy.
The economy flourishes on its own when we are not at war.
When the World Trade Center was attacked the first time, Bill Clinton did nothing.
When the SS Cole was attacked, Bill Clinton did nothing.
When the African Embassy was bombed, Bill Clinton did nothing.
When the Army Barracks was attacked, Bill Clinton did nothing.
Is he had seriously gone after Bin Laden on the first attack, there would not have been a 2nd attack, costing over 3,000 civilian lives in N.Y.
Hillary Clinton voted to Invade Iraq, costing over 4,000 soldier’s deaths and approximately 80,000 civilian Iraq deaths.
She claims she did not read the “Declaration to Invade Iraq.” Since her vote against the war would have been unpopular at the time and she wanted to become a member of the “good ole boy’s” club, she voted “yea”
Senator Byrd made a speech on the floor for over 30 minutes asking the Senators not to approve the Declaration.
Now, she claims the war was wrong and she is going to bring the men home. She drove the bus into the ditch and now she wants the voters to congratulate her because she intends to pull the bus out. How stupid. She now wants to care for the soldiers when they come home maimed and mentally impaired. She caused their injuries.
She had access to intelligence reports yet she claims she did not read them, she took Bush’s word.
Bush did not control her vote for the war, she did.
Hillary supporters are grossly uninformed and we should actually feel sorry for them.

Florida and Michigan votes should be counted. The system is very unfair to all. It should be if a candidate gets
for example sixty percent of the popular
vote then the candidate should get 60 percent if the delegate count.Whats fair is fair. The delegates are supposed to follow the will of the people but they do not. If they followed the will of the people Hillary would be ahead.Obama would be kaput.

This poptart obviously didn’t pay attention in civics class.
“Each of us should have an equal voice in determining the destiny of our nation. A generation of patriots risked and sacrificed lives on the battlefield for that ideal.”
Ummmmm, noooooooo…… As a Republican Democracy, we elect representatives to make decisions on our behalf. By that simple definition, each of us does NOT have an equal voice. Our patriots died defending THAT ideal, not the one she’s invented to manipulate people with….. Or else why the hell are we paying their salaries?
“We believe that the outcome of our elections should be determined by the will of the people. Nothing more. Nothing less. And we believe the popular vote is the truest expression of your will. We believe it today just as we believed it back in 2000 when right here in Florida you learned the hard way what happens when your votes aren’t counted and a candidate with fewer votes is determined the winner.”
This is only a party nomination process and not an actual election, so there’s no correlation between this situation and that of the 2000 election. I think she also forgot the biggest issue: Popular vote does not make a President, the Electoral College does. Someone should let Jackson, Tilden, Cleveland and Gore know they got shafted, THEY should have been president in each of their failed bids according to “The Rules of HRC,” which obviously ignore The Constitution, which clearly lays it all out.
Simple civics. She can’t get that straight but she thinks she can lead this country? How can she lead us if she doesn’t even understand the basic premises under which we operate? On the other hand, if she DOES understand and is just using manipulation tactics, how can we conscionably vote for her?
What’s most ridiculous is her blatant glossing over the cold and simple fact that NOT ONE SINGLE VOTE CAST BY ONE SINGLE CITIZEN WILL DECIDE WHO IS PRESIDENT OR EVEN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY NOMINEE, either in this asinine primary (which, AGAIN, is a nomination process, NOT AN ELECTION) or in the “real” election in November, when 538 members of the Electoral College sit down and cast their votes, and they can vote for whomever they choose regardless of the “popular vote.” If she doesn’t like those rules, she’s welcome to work to change them LEGALLY – but she can’t unilaterally change them mid-stride or declare her own version of the rules as she sees fit. Contrary to her belief, The Constitution is a bit more powerful than HRC.
Finally, as a Michigan voter, I don’t see her posturing as standing up to protect me or my rights in any way, shape, or form. She signed an agreement to disqualify us. PERIOD. End of story. If she really gave a rat’s @$$ about our votes, she would have argued the case for us back then instead of signing on the dotted line. It’s my opinion, if the DNC makes a rule and it is broken and then they go back later and change the penalty they imposed, they’re never going to play by any legitimate set of rules, they are not trustworthy as a whole, and I will NEVER vote for any Democratic candidate for any office again, regardless of their qualifications. I will do just as I did this past January: I will sit home (like millions of other Michigan voters did, after we were told our votes would not count), and let the cowpies fall where they may, because there are too many crooked politicians in Lansing and in DC who will get what they want anyhow; after all, they can change the rules any time they want.

I am so sick of reading these comments that state they will NOT vote for Hillary or Obama if their nominee doesn’t get it!!!! GROW UP you all sound like a bunch of babies that goes for both sides… It‘s immature; maybe you shouldn’t be voting at all. I am sick of hearing about the WHITE blue collar votes. I am one of them Guess who I voted for…. and some of the votes Hillary has received with the White blue collar folks are REPUBLICANS, with thanks from Rush Limbo.
In the G.E. she will NOT get them…
I hate the flip flopping that continues to go on and Hillary is walking a very fine line, she knows that if Obama doesn’t beat McCain she will get the blame for carrying on with this…
Also this will make it very hard for her to run in 2012 she will be laughed at.
When Hillary was up in super delegates it was the super delegates that mattered and not the popular Vote
Why because Obama had the popular vote. But now that he is up in everything she wants Florida and Michigan to count because it’s now the popular vote that counts that is going to win this. (It’s flip flopping)
Hillary and Obama agreed Florida and Michigan would not be allowed because they broke the rules, but when Hillary could see that she wasn’t going to win the nomination that’s when Florida and Michigan were important.
Every card has been played in this Race on both sides… I can agree to disagree with a lot of you here. This isn’t about Me or You it is about BEATING the BUSH Republicans!!
I saw a comment on another site that made a really good point–she claims Florida & Michigan are being disenfranchised. But in her use of the popular vote count, she’s ignoring the caucus states, thereby disenfranchising them.
I just don’t understand why any TRUE democrat would put another REPUBLICAN in office after these last 7 years, but I guess when all us Dems start feeling more of the PINCH that’s when we will vote our party but I truly hope it’s not to late and that we are not selfish like the Republicans say we are.
I agree that Hillary is a better candidate “today if she would have been this candidate” throughout her campaign she would have WON!!

Do any of you Live in FL or MI Hell NO….. I do Follow the DA- RULES No one has the right to be angry at Obama. The DNC made the rules and Obama and Clinton Agreed to them, now follow them. We are angry at the Leaders NOT those two!!

I think Hillary is right on the mark about this one. All voters should be heard and their votes counted whether a technicality appears to stand in the way. A technicality should never (ever) stand in the way of a voter’s vote. Instead, the technicality should be fixed and/or forgiven and the voters allowed to vote.
The reason states like Florida, Michigan (and California) moved their vote-dates is that they felt disenfranchised in at least the last few elections. Next election, those at the tail end of the primaries will not want to be there simply out of worry their votes will not matter.
By declaring victory before all votes are counted shows an absolute direspect for the voter. Mr. Obama has stood before us as though he were blind and deaf (indifferent) to the pleas by the voters of these states to be counted.
He has yet to do anything to help with this matter which places him in the (I do not care about my constituency as a whole but do care about the win). How does anyone think these states will react the next time? Why would I vote for Obama in the general election when he did not fight to have my vote count during the primaries.
This is typical of a young, inexperienced person still unaware of a need for patience and understanding when it comes to acknowledging the significance of a voters vote.
If we do not allow these two states to have their votes counted, we can kiss good-bye our democracy and our democratic processes which had once served us well.
What Michigan and Florida did shows something else. It shows how desparate they are to be heard. They feel ignored and thrown under the carpet. Everyone knows their problems are real and likely more in need of a shot in the arm than many of the states who have been lucky enough to have been part of the internet, IC and biotech revolutions. Why else would a state commit such an act? They need to be heard and they are being ignored!

no no to bo:
Limited vocabulary???????

Beth:
What are you smoking? Hilary agreed to the rules. What does this say to children? That it’s ok to break the rules. Hillary is sour grapes and so are you. I live in Illinois and support Obama. He isn’t corrupt, He didn’t have numerous affair like Bill(Why would any women stick with a man who has cheated on her unless she is Hillary Clinton the man), he wasn’t impeached. What you seem to REALLY WANT IS ANOTHER 4 YEARS OF BILL and not Hillary.
You must know that if she were elected, Bill would be running the government again.
I am a women and would like nothing better than to have a women Pres., just not Hillary. Why are you SO AFRAID OF OBAMA? because he’s black, because he might due something that would make are lives better? I really don’t get it?

Did you see the crowds in Michigan and Florida?
Most Floridians are world travelers and the color of this man would not be a reason for them to race bait or hate.
Floridians have close access to the Islands and travel frequently in addition to cruising where they meet people of other cultures.
Floridians would get it right, so would Michigan.
Hillary and Bill are the past, Obama is the future.

An Independent:
Sorry about not getting back here until two hours later to tell you what a f*cking moron you are…I’m not missing facts, don’t need to be told the nominee is decided at the convention (you f*cking child)- perhaps a good point would be for you to try and make a case why Clinton deserves the nomination more, after blowing nearly insurmountable leads in cash, staff, SDs, political apparatus – heck, everything she needed to literally RUN AWAY WITH THIS…
Or perhaps you can just bang your head against a wall until something useful comes out.
The Delegate College angle is weak too, all arguments at this point are moot. The only dialog of worth is how to coalesce around Obama and get a Democrat elected in the fall.
Otherwise go back to your agitator role and write in HRC, Nader or better yet – just stay home – or even better, play in traffic.
Lord Please Find Me an HRC supporter who can make a point of relevance (hint dipsh*ts – relevance is topical, intelligence is just poignant, not necessarily topical).

pal, your ignorance and arrogance is only one of the MANY reasons why obama will not win in November

Before seating delegates from either state, they would need to hold legitimate primaries. Neither has done so yet,
To those who incessantly and childishly say “I will refuse to vote for Obama”: Do you think that junior high level statement will make someone vote of Hillary? With statements like that, it is no wonder that poll after poll show the uneducated to prefer Hillary.

I Demand That Hillary Clinton
GO HOME and Take the lecher-in-chief
with you!

Obama, class and style should not be mentioned in the same sentence.
Obama – throws his white grandma under the bus to save his pastor, then throws his pastor under the bus to save himself – great class and style!!
Obama = hypocrite = unelectable

admittedly, at this point, it is unlikely that Senator Clinton can win the general election because to make her the nominee now would p1ss off a great many people who are charmed by barack, though her success is not out of the realm of possibility…..obama’s chances are, however…..unless he chooses Clinton as VP, then there is a slight chance of a Democratic Administration…….but already, obama and his racist, sexist, ignorant and arrogant supporters have probably done too much to give them any chance of beating mccain, or more accurately, surviving the beating he will take from a special interest group campaign, a la swift boat vets……

disrespecting the Clinton’s = digging your hole deeper (the hole being obama’s inability to win in November)

Electability? see electoral-vote.com

Hillary’s statements in this article are similar to Bush’s statements to get support for the invasion of Iraq. Deceptions, ignoring relevant facts and using irrelevant ones. She is a shyster, too.

Go to the FL Department of State and add up the numbers for the Republican and Democratic Primaries yourself.
http://election.dos.state.fl.us/elections/resultsarchive/Index.asp?ElectionDate=1/29/2008&DATAMODE=
I just did and here are the numbers for both.
2008 Primary
Republicans: 1,949,498 million voters
Democrats: 1,749,920 million voters
2004 Primary
Democrats: 753,762 voters
Based on these numbers, there were nearly 1 million more voters who showed up for the 2008 Democratic Primary compared to the 2004 Democratic primary. Based on these numbers, I do not see how anyone can claim the election was invalid.
Was the election held in accordance with the state constitution? The election was held, the Secretary of State has certified the results; more people voted than in 2004.
HOW CAN THE DNC SAY A LEGALLY HELD ELECTION DOES NOT COUNT? HOW DARE THE DNC ASSUME THE POWERS OF THE SUPREME COURT TO INTERPRET THE CONSTITUTION.

Funny! Funny! If the shoes were reverse and Hillary was the front runner, would she be pushing to include Michigan and Florida. If she is really for a recount, then she needs to split the votes equally. Its moot anyway. Those states are considered rogue states because they disobeyed party rules. If they are included in the count, then next time other states should be able to have their primaries whenever the choose.
Hillary, as usual, is seeking to make a farce of our democracy by fighting dirty once again. She needs to walk away with grace at this point and concede the win to Obama. It was a good fight, but just like everyone else, she received a surprise. Who would have expected to see Obama beat her out. She failed to plan for the long term its cost her dearly. She needs to stop and allow things to move forward without hassle.

Sandy
Spin (and plagiarism)was the total substance of Senator Obama’s campaign.
I am a minority, but watched him & his surrogates rely on the race card to avoid dealing with substantive issues, until he could take policy crib notes from Clinton.
In the black community all we would hear in the media was Clinton-bashing and defense of Rev. Wright’s views…until it became politically inconvenient for Obama.

I URGE ALL HILARY SUPPORTERS TO BOYCOTT THE DEM PARTY IN NOV IF SHE IS NOT THE CANIDATE. THIS PRIMARY HAS BEEN A JOKE.

esteban – sounds like the pot calling the kettel…
I am a Hillary supporter and live in rural KY, originally from Ohio. My wife and I both have degrees, and I work white-collar, and I am not a racist fool. I have worked with, and for “persons of color” in many positions over the years.
If someone thinks that Hillary, a woman, would not be a change over the white male career politician, then there is something wrong with them. Anyone who has seen a mother fight for their children would now Hillary could do what is needed to protect this country. I believe she would not criminally commit perjury to invade another nation for her own gains, but I have no doubt that when pushed, she will respond appropriately.

you’re waisting your time trying to be logical with hillary and her supporters. their freaked out minds won’t let them accept that THE RULES OF THE GAME IS DELEGATE COUNT NOT POPULAR VOTE. but again, stop waisting you’re time!! its pointless

The superdelegate debacle is a result of our need for instant gratification. What was the DNC thinking? That we are not smart enough? The SD is a way for the DNC to control the election and keep multiple votes on the convention floor from happening.
Delegates are in the electoral process because the fathers of this country thought it was a better process to get delegates together to determine the winner. Voters were thought to be too ignorant, and to count the votes across the colonies would have taken weeks.
In today’s automation age, there isn’t a reason elections aren’t determined by popular vote instead of delegates. Years ago it would have taken weeks to count the vote. Today, we have results within hours of the polls closing.
Reform? Get rid of delegates.

There is no telling what she would do to make sure Obama looses because she was defeated by him.

Count the votes!
If the DNC does not allow for the counting of the votes, then 2008 will mark the year of Democratic hypocrisy.
2000 and Al Gore will materialize as meaningless.
Count the votes.
We often say Get out the Vote, and Rock the Vote, but what does either phrase mean if the Democrats don’t care?

I’ll say it again! Regardless of what GOP or DNC think, or whether or not candidates decided they had to go along with disenfranchizing at the time, it was wrong and those votes need counting! Otherwise legitimate voters will be cheated and the election possibly stolen, or at least corrupted, again.
Sen Clinton referenced the court decision that ended the 2000 recount:
“Your Supreme Court said it’s not about the technicalities, or about the contestants, it’s about the will of the people and, whenever you we can understand their intent, it should govern. Well it’s very clear what the 1.7 million people intended here in Florida.”
There is no good reason not to count…and don’t tell me that Obama wasn’t on the ballot, because that was his poor choice, again! He was even offered a revote, which he turned down…now why is that…obviously FL & MI voters are not important to him in primaries.
HILLARY, KEEP FIGHTING! Because you’re the only one to put America back on it’s feet and what happens in the USA has a knock on affect throughout the world!

OBAMA SUPPORTERS ARE SO OUT OF TOUCH WITH THE MIDDLE CLASS AND THOSE WHO ARE LOW INCOME AND WHO ARE STRUGGLING TO MAKE ENDS MEET. DO YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS LIKE TO LIVE PAYCHECK TO PAYCHECK AND NOT HAVE INSURANCE FOR YOURSELF AND YOUR FAMILY. HILLARY CLINTON IS STILL IN THIS RACE BECAUSE MILLIONS OF AMERICANS BELIEVE IN HER AND WANT HER TO CONTINUE. ALL THE HATEFUL AND BITTER REMARKS THAT HAVE BEEN POSTED HERE BY OBAMA SUPPORTERS INDICATES TO ME THAT YOU ARE FULL OF CRAP JUST LIKE YOUR PRECIOUS, WANNA BE MLK, WANNA CESAR CHAVEZ, WANNA JFK, OBAMA YOU ARE ALL ELITIST AND OBVIOUSLY DON’T HAVE ANY COMPASSION FOR LOWER INCOME PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY. I AM LIVING PAYCHECK TO PAYCHECK AND KNOW WHAT IT IS LIKE TO STRUGGLE. I AM PROUD OF HILLARY CLINTON. I BELIEVE IN HER AND SHE IS A WONDERFUL LADY. OBAMA SUPPORTERS HERE ARE HATEFUL, BITTER PEOPLE WHO HAVE SHOWN ME THAT THEY ARE INTIMADATED BY HILLARY CLINTON. YOU ARE SELF-SERVING AND INCONSIDERATE INDIVIDUALS. HILLARY IS STILL IN THIS RACE BECAUSE PEOPLE WANT HER TO CONTINUE. OTHERWISE PEOPLE WOULD NOT HAVE VOTED IN WEST VIRGINIA, KENTUCKY, AND OREGON. IF YOU BELIEVE SO MUCH THAT OBAMA WILL EVENTUALLY WIN THEN YOU SHOULD NOT BE SO AGAINST WITH THE VOTES IN FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN BEING COUNTED. HILLARY CLINTON, GOD BLESS YOU AND THANK YOU FOR CONTINUING TO FIGHT FOR THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN YOU.

I saw Bill working his recovering from heart surgery butt off in Philadelphia stumping for that Judas Kerry.
Bill looked pale and underweight, but was commanding a crowd of thousands upon thousands in Center City.
For Kerry.
There is no loyalty in the Dem Party.
It’s politics as usual.
We all expected more from the Dems.
McCain will win in November.
Bet your farm on it.
Or if you’re an Obama fan, bet your mansion on it.

I’m turning 18 in June.
My teachers always said that voteing mattered.
Now i feel like I shouldnt’ even bother.
The Democrates will only count votes for Obamma.
That means my vote isnt’ going to count sense i was goin to vote for hilary.

She leads only if you give her 328,000 votes for the Soviet-style Michigan election, while giving Obama zero for not being on the ballot. And if you then ignore the caucuses of Iowa, Nevada, Maine, and my own state of Washington — where a record quarter million people turned out to participate. Our votes don’t count under Clinton’s math. She disappears them down the memory hole of history in an argument that invents reality as much as Bush’s claims of Iraq Weapons of Mass Destruction or Clinton’s earlier story about running the gauntlet of Bosnian sniper fire.

obama keeps harping on Bush Third term.
THERE IS NO BUSH THIRD TERM. BUT THERE IS A MCCAIN FIRST TERM.
………. obama continues to fight Bush – he thinks this is his trump card but its going to squash him in the end. Cant wait for the first debate with McCain – we all know what obama looks like in a debate, dont we? No One to HIde behing…… and ooooooppppss there you have him. HIS NUMBERS WILL TANK WITH EACH DEBATE AND BY THE END OF THE PROCESS HE WILL BE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE POND.

Clinton is the visable Voice of Florida and Michingan… but she need do nothing. If not her they will still demand their votes be counted. and they WILL.
dnc is posturing but TWO STATES CANNOT BE DENIED… ARE the people in michigan so stupid that they didnt comprehend the instructions: “IF YOUR CANDIDATE NOT ON BALLOT PLEASE VOTE UNCOMMITTED” – Obama, DNC insult the intellect of Michigans who voted uncommitted and also voted hillary clinton.
obama is in florida trying to sucker as many to his side before Clinton makes the case for the votes to be counted….IT WAS SMART OF HER TO GO THERE THE SAME TIME HE’S THERE.

““We believe that the outcome of our elections should be determined by the will of the people.” If you Republicans really believed that we wouldn’t have had years of the great bumbler Bush

The fact of the matter is that Polling stations were open for business in Florida and Michigan – and people went and did their civic duties. They voted in masses, biggest turn out because they wanted to be counted, and did not want to loose out like last time.
If anything was out of order, the DN should have ordered to CLOSE ALL VOTING STATIONS but they DID NOT. Everything went ahead as normal.
In MI every candidate was on the list. Some candidates have taken their name of the list, by own free choice (candidates have a right to withdraw from a race if they so wish), and as a result, they are not getting any delegages nor votes for Michigan.
In Florida, one candidate (Obama) went against the rules and was actively campaigning even though he signed an agreement that he will not campaign – and therefore such a candidate has to be struck off the list, and denied any votes or delegates. If it went to court, this is how the judge would rule.
Obama supporters, you have to look at this process objectively, and democratically, and you will see that it is totally out of line to “nominate” anyone before all the votes are counted and assessed in 50 states! – not 48 or 57 states as some might think!!!

The sooner Hillary quits the better. At least then we’ll no longer have to put up with these cross-dressing Republicans pretending to be Democrats. And just why DO so many of them want to take on the identities of women?

Frankly, it’s time to throw Hillary out of the Democratic Party

How ironic, the woman who – with her suppoprters – was telling us that every primary area she lost in didn’t count, now says she wants to count every vote. And she says she wants to count every vote even though Obama wasn’t even on the ballot in one state.
Is this a shining example of “feminist”, woman-positive politics? She and her supporters make me feel ashamed.

“Why can’t Obama seal the deal?”
He’s sealed it. Hillary just doesn’t know when she’s out.

Anyone who supports Clinton now, but will switch to McCain if she loses, knows absolutely nothing about politics. General elections are not a popularity contest–voters are being asked to choose between two fundamentally different political philosophies. If you don’t understand those philosphies, you should do us all a favor and stay home (especially you poor people who vote Republican–you have no idea what you are doing, and are too stupid to ever realize it).

“it wont stop genuine Hillary supporters for not voting for Obama”
It’s called cutting off your nose to spite your face

“Florida has NEVER MATTERED to Obama!” Didn’t matter a jot to Hillary until she needed it. How many states has she said don’t count now?

If you Hillary supporters seriusly want every vote counted you’ll run the vote again in BOTH states with both parties campaigning and Obama ON THE BALLOT. I’ll support that 100%. Anything else is just spoiled little girls stamping their feet at a birthday party.

WES, WHAT CHANGE?

HAHAHAHA
So much fun to watch Obama and his minions trying to win the presidency by NOT COUNTING THE VOTES. If his MISSION IS ACCOMPLISHED, then what is he afraid of???
Count the Votes or Drop Out — Obama!
We remember 2000 when Republicans wouldn’t count the votes.
We will NOT forget 2008 if OBAMA/DNC doesn’t count the votes!

staniam – And I won’t vote for Obama if she IS on the ticket -So I guess we cancel each other out.

Clinton Demands Florida, & Michigan, Votes Count:
This is very wrong, the votes should not
count as, they were told before hand. Now the Clintons want to “change” the game! the Population of Michigan, alone has 10,000,000 people. under 500,000 votes were casted! 1000′s of voters stayed home because they were told they
vote would not count. All the people that followed the rules would be “screwed” out of their vote if, the
Clintons get their way. Hillary Clinton, is really starting to look like a Hypocrite. Based, on the facts
that she agreed and knew the two states
would not count.

My question to you all…is this fight for recount about the voters or is it about Hilary?? cos I dont understand;
1.why Hilary didnt bring up the 2000 scenario when the Decision was first made to Leave Michigan and Florida out.
2.why CLinton didnt take it upon herself to fight for the the FL & MH voter immediately the decision was made.
3.Why Hilary initially AGREED to the decision to leave Michigan and FLorida out.
………then all of a sudden she has become the freedom fighter for these voter’s. com ‘on if she was ahead do you think shed give a #@%#* what happened to you folks in Florida and Michigan…..I think not

due to the fact that hillary was at one time republican–is this attempt to disrupt and split the democratic party quite simply an attempt to help MCcain—i sure would like to know how many republicans are behind her.

Message to Howard Dean:
Well how do you like your party now? Look what your incompetence has grown, a divided party irreparably beyond help and doomed to lose in nov. This is the same man that lost his bid to be president, YEE HAW!
The democrats are about to add to the insult by nominating someone that is not electable and now nothing can be done about it. Further insulting voters by taking away their vote and then comming back in the GE asking for their votes, HOW PATHETIC!
You now have Obama down in Fla trying to coo the voters and sooth over wounds but, he just doesn’t get it, you have already disenfranchised the very people you need to win. The older generation and women voters will remember this slap in the face come nov, you can be sure.
People in my state are already justifying a vote for McCain, rather than vote for Obama because they are that upset with the DNC. The feeling this election has been rigged from the beginning is gaining momentum in this country and you are already starting to hear grumbling about buyers remorse.
For all of you that read this and feel the same way, now is the time to send this message to Dean, Pelosi, Reid and superdelegates that they have sold us out. REGISTER INDEPENDENT

average joe
hillary is good at what she does—split the party

Rodney…..Can you honestly say you still feel your candidate can win in nov. Even if only a small portion of the people disenfranchised by the party don’t vote or vote McCain, you will lose the swing states. Game over!

I used to have a lot of respect for Mrs Clinton, she agreed to this whole thing. Now that she is loosing she wants to change the rules, I have heard of sore loosers in my days but this is really bad for a lady this smart. It’s a desperation move, oh so so sad.

Its not a desperate move… it is a move justified by the constitution… the DNC is the one that broke the law… Clinton supporters will not back down!

Clinton did want a revote and Obama did block it with lawyers… they will seat the Delegates as certified because that is the only right thing to do… Obama is the one who is shady!

Since Hillary people will not vote for Obama, and Obama people will not vote for Hillary, the super delegates should toss them both and nominate Gore.
They need to hurry though, before Gore does something stupid like endorse one of the two and end up alienating half the dems all over again.
This would at least give us a shot at the White House this time.

OK HRC supporters, answer this question:
IF HRC manages to STEAL the nomination away from Obama using “dirty math”, how does she get his supporters behind her?
How does SHE win without US??
Anybody…….jump in….don’t all talk at once….(cue the crickets)

Dems…know that Florida Democrats didn’t decide to move up their primary. Florida’s Republican controlled congress made that decision. Democrats in Florida’s congress overwhelmingly voted AGAINST moving their primary up because the DNC made it clear the consequences would be. I’m no fan of Hillary’s (by a long shot) but I question the fairness of not counting Florida’s votes. Florida Democrats got shanked by Florida’s congress. Go OBAMA!

Patty,
All I know is that if she does, I will vote Bob Barr as a protest vote. I’ll encourage all Obama supporters to do the same.
Bob Barr lead the Repubs. effort to impeach Bill Clinton after the Lewinsky affair.
I think it’s funny, karma, baby!!

I have yet not decided whether I am happy or sad to see the Old Democratic party in its “last throws.”
To argue for one candidate or another while ignoring the voters is a straw man argument.
There does not occur to me any good reason to ever “not count” American votes.
It was not right when the Republicans used this trick in 2000 against Gore and it is not right to do so now. This can handle be argued.
Mr. Obama, should he win the nomination by any means which includes gaining votes he did not earn (as in Florida), will not stand a chance at winning the GE.
Clinton may lose a lot of black voters but she has the women, the elderly, Hispanics, Jews, Asians, working class and a great many in between — something largely ignored and often dismissed.
Lastly, for those who say the Florida votes should not count because some Obama supporters did not vote thinking their vote would not count –
How in the world do you quantify that number? Further, are we to take away votes from the winner because the opponent’s voters didn’t show up? Ultimately, the responsibility for political tactic and mobilization lands on the candidate. If Obama failed to recognize that the votes could later on be challenged, that was his error. Just as he used political tactic by not putting his name on the ballot in PA while Clinton was savvy enough to plan ahead.
But there is no arguing with the devoted. What would be called brilliance in someone else, is a bad trait in Mrs. Clinton.
Like firing the best plumber in town because you don’t like him while standing in two feet of toilet water and the only alternative is the guy who “hopes” he can get it fixed for you.

Patty,
A black woman! I would LOVE that!
But you are wrong. We DO have a chance. The Repubs know this. They are terrified. They know Dems had this election in the bag.
So what do the REpubs do? Divide and conquer. They started a whisper campaign about Obama.
They use the Karl Rove “Fear and Smear”.
And we buy it hook, line and sinker.
The DNC needs to split the Delegates in MI and FL equally between the two.
We need to be UNITED against the REPUBSD in the fall.

There is no chance as things stand.
You are right, we need to be united to win. Even when we are totally united is is hard to win, 00 & 04.
I will never again vote for Obama. Will you vote for Hillary?
Therein lies my point. We all need someone we can unite behind, or we will all be saying President McCain.
Now you can blame my candidate, and I can blame your candidate.
We will still end up saying “President McCain”

You have to be president of all 50 states- not 48. Count the votes – all of them from FL and Michigan. It is only fair to count all the states and PR and Guam if we are to be considered a true democracy. Since Obama has been against counting these states from the start- it should be duly noted by Republicans in the upcoming election and the dems will get slammed for that. The Obama supporters will do ANYTHING to make him the nominee- even if he doesnt actually win it fairly. this is the same comment made of Hillary. Lets put the shoe on the foot that being unfair here- Obama. He is a passive-agressive sexist that is having his way through surrogates and appears be “so nice” and “gracious to Hillary”- what a crock- we can all see right through that. Oh year – I am an egg head for Hillary- ( 2 PhD’s) and caucasian as well- so much for all the pundits classification that you need to be a poor and indigent fool to vote for her. Dr Z

GA summed it up masterfully. Voting for McBush just quarantee another war, higher gas prices, no health care. Voting against Obama is only hurting the country and please don’t complain if McBush is our next president. Have you listened to him lately. He is constantly making huge mistakes. McBush seem to do more apologizeing than any other candidate in the last 50 years. McBush is not well physically nor mentally. He blows his temper at the drop of a hat. I don’t see him being a serious negotiator. McBush would be worse than Bush who is the world Jack-In-The-Box. Countries and continents are laughing at us. We have no friends.

Average Joe expressed 100% the sentiments of me and many others in Louisiana. He is absolutley correct in his assessment of the screaming jackass Dean. And anyone who can spot a fraud knows Obama’s game. How about an Obama/Dean ticket for a loser? I am one disappointed African American.

This is my first time ever blogging
(3 posts) and I think its great that you all care enough to express your opinions. Here is my last one. Count all the votes. Make Hillary the president and FORCE her through the DNC to take Obama for VP. That way she will have what she wants and we will all have what we want- a great TRAINEE for the top spot in 8 years. He is much younger than her and the Dems will control for 16 years. We will keep most of the party together and BO will walk into a great situation when he does become prez- not the screwed up mess we have now. Hill is much more prepared to handle the first shift and straighten out all the crap that presently exists in the government. Then BO will be a “seasoned pro” that will do a great job- and all the experience arguments will be a moot point. Everybody will be happy- not at first- but it would work out beautifully for the dems and the USA in the long run. It is a sensible solution. Barak is just at the beginning of a long and successful career- why rush the deal? I have a different problem than most- I actually LIKE ALL the candidates !! including McCain. Mac blusters too much and forgets- Barak is a passive-agressive con artist – Hill is an up front agressive con artist. Its just the way they are and its OK folks- we are all carrying lots of baggage. They are all strong candidates and all have their faults too. One must admire all 3 of these great public servants. If we could get rid of the DNC and all the stupid rules about apportionment etc we would all look a little more like a true democracy. Go USA Dr Z

Average Joe,
You are exactly right. No one can discern WHO exactly the uncommited voter actually voted for. I know my sister voted for Edwards using “uncommited”. But your have to at least apprioriate votes to Obama. I don’t think Biden or Richardson got all that many votes. But at least give Obama something. But HRC’s math give zero to Obama.
Obama did not LOSE Michigan. We have a heavy AA population in Detroit and surrounding areas. I know he would do very, very well here.
Everyone I know is voting for him. Even my Dad, who hasn’t voted Dem since JFK, LOL.
Jeanne

I love, love, love the Obama’s supporters “the rules are the rules” argument. Is that “Change we can belive in?” “The rules are the rules” sounds a lot like old school politics to me. Voters who don’t have a say when the DNC comes down from on high and sanctions their state, should not have their voices silenced. Voters should certainly not have their votes silenced by a screaming lunatic like Dean. To Obama: try to win the general without Florida? You’ve already lost states by big margins to Clinton that are “must wins” for those seeking the presidency, OH, PA, WV, KY. Try losing FL also and see what happens.

katherine wrote:
“The rules are the rules” sounds a lot like old school politics to me.
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No, this sounds like what we all learned as children. What are we teaching our children with this? You can play by your own rules if you don’t like how the game is coming out?
It’s simple. You enter a contest based on the rules when the contest starts. Everyone has the same set of rules and all sides agree to them before the game begins. Period.
Jeanne from MI

Democrats across America are supporting Florida and Michigan voters, democrats across America will be swing voters (for McCain) if they’re delegates aren’t fully accounted for.

I demand that Hillary Clinton
Go Home and take the “lecher-in-chief
with her!

See, there’s one little known fact that the nasty/(racist) political commentators keep forgetting about: (Obama’s) need not (to) play by the rules; he can change them whenever it serves his purpose, and there is no limit as to how audacious it may be to the other players or the common sense of the American people…paraphrasing dlp:

Republicans forced this. The DNC preventing the state from voting early has led to the race continued to the end? The rules are dumb and only punishes the voters. There was a record turn out to vote. Obama released an ad thus breaking the rules; so the rules have already been changed.

I live in Michigan and I really am angry at those of you who say my vote should not count. Why yours and not mine? I voted with good conscience just like you and I didn’t break any rules. I think Senator Clinton is giving those of us from Michigan and Florida a much needed voice! Go Hillary! Shame on Obama and his camp…he is just delaying this so that he can win and will then change his mind when it doesn’t matter any more! I wouldn’t vote for Obama if you paid me!

Patti what are you talking about? You ask as if Senator Obama walk to the DNC office and ask them not to count Michigan and Flordia’s vote…Take this up with your politicans in your state; they broke the rules not the voters and number two you should know by now we americans do not sell our votes and I am sure the superdelegates are americans too; but I tell you what…for those who wants to vote Senator McCain and go through another four years of President Bush; fine but in end I hope everyone be happy. It is so sad to be living in a time where your qualificatons to be president do not mean a d***thing if you are an africian american….So so so so sas

She’s becoming a joke. She’s going to lose so much respect. No one will ever take her seriously again. We Democrats hate vote-fixing, and manipulative, cheating polticians–who promise one thing, then do a 180 flip-flop and claim it to be the truth. I suspect she has simply become dizzy by her head spinning around so many times. (Please, don’t spout any green pea soup Hillary)

Patti,
Florida and Michigan broke the rules of the DNC deliberately and knowingly.
Your primaries were referred to as “Beauty Contests.”
Hillary does not care about either. She cherry picked the larger states only.
Not until she got behind did she start ranting about the popular vote, then it was the most delegates, then it was who is electable, then it was who gets the most middle class white votes, now she is ranting about the sexist media and the women’s votes.
The DNC will handle the Michigan and Florida votes fairly.
Now Bill is pushing for her to be Obama’s running mate. Her disregard of the Democratic party during her entire campaign and total disrespect for her running mate leaves Obama no other choice but to choose someone more creditable to run on the ticket.
Mrs. Obama said in one of her speeches that Obama would not engage in the smears since he doesn’t believe in ruining your challenger because you may have to sit at the table of negotiations with them at one time or the other. Evidently Hillary was not listening.
She can’t be trusted, if she were the V.P. she would make herself president in 3 months through some vicious and malicious means.

So, in obama’s dirty talk: “sweetie, i don’t want you to think that I am getting fresh here with you” (don’t you looove that oh-bammer presidential parlance :)), it is your obama boy who does NOT want your MI vote to count at all:
1. Obama removed his name from the MI ballot. Now, now.. why exactly do you think he did that, huh? Here is why you morons who are rooting for him: obama and dear Edwards (that guy, remember – he got a lot of votes in MI) came up with ‘this’ dirty math: they thought that by putting their name under ‘uncommitted’ they will win against Hillary (not the first time they decided to gang up on her!) and that the ‘uncomitted vote will win-therefore, giving them (either one of them!) the reason that they actually won MI. It just turned out that Hillary actually beat all of them put together!
2. Obama actually fought to STOP you from exercising your constitutional right to vote! Actually, if you are a MI obama donor, he took YOUR money and paid lawyers to stop YOU for voting? Like it, right?
3. ZERO votes for obama in MI – he wanted it that way, he got it!
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LET DEMOCRACY RUN ITS COURSE!
DO NOT TRY TO STOP THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS.
THE ONLY LEGAL WAY TO END THIS ELECTION PROCESS IS AT THE CONVENTION.
NOT ON YOUR TV SET!
STOP THE MEDIA FRAUD!

Popular Vote (w/FL & MI)** Obama 17,254,779 47.5% Clinton 17,422,285 47.9% Clinton +167,506 +0.46%
Estimate w/IA, NV, ME, WA*
Obama 17,588,863 47.6% Clinton 17,646,147 47.7% Clinton +57,284 +0.15%

xm167 – Right on.

Senator doesn’t want to have a revote in Florida or Michigan because he lost both states.
There are over 300 delegates that would have to be seated, mostly to Clinton.
He wouldn’t be able to be screaming “I have the most pledged delegates..I am the one with the most delegates”
These states should have been seated at the beginning of this primary. Obama would have been behind the whole time.
He has fought tooth and nail not to have a revote or have them seated.
Do you really want a President that doesn’t stand up for the people but stands up for government rules.

Obama should step down:
He will lose Florida’s support if he doesn’t let them vote and will lose the primary if he does.
He can’t get these group of voters:
Florida and Michigan
The Jewish Voter
White voters
Women Voters
Older Voters
Male white voters
Catholic voters
War hero voters
I don’t think the kids and African Americans are enough.
He is inexperienced and carries the
cross of his pastor
Black Liberation Theology teachings, Muslim father
Friend: Syrian Criminal-Tony Rezko of Chicago
Trinity United Church of Christ: man of the year, anti semitic Nation of Islam leader, Louis Farrakhan
Co worker: domestic terrorist, William Ayers
Just last week one of Obama’s campaign managers was let go because he was speaking to Hamas (New York Times article)
This guy has to step down.

Bob – I would not only be disapointed if Hillary manipulates things to get on the ticket…I will be OUTRAGED. I would have to rethink if the Democratic party is the best choice.

Noemi from LA wrote:
“Hundreds of years? That I know of, she’s the first woman to run for president. Okay… anyone can be a “monster”–men or women. Annie Oakley??! Did you prefer to use “Indiana Jones” or “GI Joe”?? Glen Close character? So what, let’s argue the racist bid then…? Hasn’t Obama been the target of racism??”
I have a question for you. What planet have you lived on for hundreds of years? There has been many woman that have run for president, look it up. Even a black woman, on the issue of race, most American voting for Obama are proof that we have evolved enough(somewhat) to look beyond that color of a man’s skin and listen to his message with hope for a better USA.

Hillary is a sore looser. She only wants those states counted because she’s behind, otherwise she could care less. She’s in the should’ve, could’ve , would’ve stage and it’s too late. Not only is it too late but it’s unfair. As someone else mentioned what about the voters who didn’t vote because they knew those states were excluded. In addition both candidates especially Obama weren’t given the chance to properly campaign in those states. Last Obama’s name wasn’t on the Michigan ballots. Putting all other controversy asside counting the votes now would be unconstitutional and unjustifiable. if Hillary was so concerned she would’ve fought for this in the beginning and not only because she’s loosing.

I want to start by saying that I feel for the voters of Florida and Michigan. It’s the voters that fall victim to the decisions made by their leadership. However, primary votes not counting is nothing new! I guess since it’s Florida and not New Mexico is what makes it newsworthy. The Republican primary for New Mexico is scheduled for next week – as if they have a choice in who they will vote for. This is the way the primary election works, some states have theirs scheduled for so late that they can’t vote for the candidate of their choice. Florida and Michigan wanted to change their dates so their votes would make a difference. If the states are not allowed to move their primaries how can we then count the votes of the states that have a complete disregard for the rules and want to get a leg up on the primaries and make their vote count MORE than those of their fellow Americans who live in states like New Mexico, who abide by the rules of the system. If they count the votes of Florida and Michigan they are saying “every vote should count – only if it’s in the millions”.
It may not seem fair to the voters of Florida and Michigan, but unfortunately, it’s due to poor leadership in their states. The voters of Florida and Michigan should hold their leaders accountable for the decisions they made which put them in this situation.