Clinton Evokes Bloody Zimbabwe Election Dispute When Discussing Florida and Michigan

Rasmussen tells it all, Jake:
FLORIDA
Obama 40
McCain 50
Clinton 47
McCain 41
Nuff said.
We need to win the GE, that is why.

Hill the Bosnian General has to be realistic, the vote in Zimbabwe has nothing to do with the US vote and elections in 2008. Desparate, so desparate is the lady, she is bringing down the democratic party, there is nothing rational about all of this, she is a cheater, no class, no elevation.

She sounded like a President in her speech.
EVERY Democrat should remember 2000.
Every Democrat should want all the votes counted they were certified by Election boards in each state.
Everyone going to the May 31 meeting should paint their finger purple to show a kindred spirit with the Iraqis who votes finally counted in a election.

A Little Historical Perspective:
Florida adopted the primary in 1904 as a way to choose delegates, and within a decade many states followed suit. Yes, Florida was the first state.

What a SORE LOSER

And can I just also say that as a woman I am appalled that she’s playing the gender card. She really sees sexism in everything? Sure she’s faced sexism, Obama’s dealt with racism, and McCain is getting the ageism. Whatever. You’re competing for the most powerful office in the world. Everyone faces obstacles. You want to talk about gender issues, great. But stop whining.

She is despicable; a Karl Rove mini-me

Hillary Clinton is correct. ALL of the votes must be counted. This race is far from over and will not be decided until the DNC convention in August. The delegates are not really “pledged” to anyone, they can vote for whomever they choose. Their job is to nominate the most electable candidate, that person is and will continue to be Hillary Clinton.
The numbers do tell it all. The Rasmussen Report numbers reiterate the fact that Hillary Clinton is the strongest candidate for the Dems. The Dems would be foolish to nominate a candidate Obama who is unelectable and has won exactly NONE of the must win states for the Dems in November. Hillary has won them ALL by wide margins.
Rock on Hillary! You will prevail at the DNC convention in August. The Democratic party simply cannot be complicit in disenfranchising voters in Michigan and Florida.
The Democratic party has failed to denounce the rampant sexism, racism, classism, and voter disenfranchisement attempts of Barack Obama, his campaign and his nasty supporters.
The failure of the Dem party is at their own peril. The Dem party would be wise to remember that for decades women have been the majority voting block of the party and women want Hillary. Hillary has earned and deserves respect and we intend to give it to her. For us, it’s Hillary or McCain. We simply do not like or trust Obama. Country first, party second. Paybacks are hell, but necessary. This a fight for the heart and soul of the Democratic party, the old liberal elite losers are using Obama to power grab. We won’t stand for it, they lose elections and the Clintons WIN elections because they are centrists. Obama’s attempts to denigrate a former President of his own party lost our votes a long time ago.
Rock on Hillary!

GUT CHECK
HOW MANY OF THE BLOGGERS ONLINE NOW VOTED FOR “W” BUSH IN 2004.
IT WAS YOUR RIGHT
BUT THE QUESTION IS WILL YOU REALIZE YOUR MISTAKE AND VOTE FOR OBAMA..
OR JUST MAKE UGLY FACES AND NOT VOTE FOR THE WINNER…OBAMA

I feel for the American citizens in Michigan and Florida and I’m sure that these citizens realize that in the 11th hour (at least in Florida) Obama seems interested in considering counting their votes. It is clear that Obama will only make offers when he feels it is to his advantage, I suppose that is what politicians do; however, with all the talk about meeting with Hamas and America’s enemies, if he were to become President, I find him noncrediible and unbelieveable. How can he have the courage to meet with such entities, yet refuse to go to such places like Kentucky or West Virginia? At least McCain to his credit found the courage to go to Selma and apologize for making the wrong decision regarding the Dr. Martin Luther King Holiday. The relationships (Politicians and US citizens) in America should be the priority for the future President of the United States more so than relationships with our enemies, if we are to truly be respected around the globe. Obama either is missing this simple fact or believes Americans lack the ability to reason.

Top bad she wasn’t there so someone could take a pop shot at her and then she would learn to keep her big mouth shut…

Tapper, is your job to report news or editorialize?
Or are they one and the same with you and the pundits?
Is Brian Ross the only real reporter ABC has?

Well alot of people are sick of Obama also why doesn’t he drop out and go home

Just saw Jake on Nightline!
Jake, you were good but SARCASTIC. It is not SNL, ya know. You obviously are big on rules, as in Form over Substance.
Take it all the way, Hillary!!!

WCM, she can’t win. period.

Didn’t John Conyers put out the call for voters that wanted to vote for Obama to hit uncommitted?
Apparently he saw something that didn’t seem fair.
I think after NH, when she found her voice (unfortunately), she became extremely arrogant. She got nasty in the debate in SC. She was trying to get him out of the race then with Rezko, but it didn’t work.

LA in Indiana,
The sad fact is that Obama can’t win without her, and yes, she probably would not win without him. My own spouse was an Obama delegate who has reversed her position because of how Hillary has been treated by the media. She’s one p—-d off woman, and we don’t talk politics at home. Make sure you reduce the Obama count by one each time you look at those numbers. And I bet there are many like her!
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Obama and SweetieGate, we shall not forget!
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WCM how hillary has been treated by the media???
Tell your wife to call me, I’ll bring her back to her senses.
If she can’t run with the big dogs, then she needs to keep her pant suit wearing butt on the porch. She’s a pound puppy, pretending she’s Cujo.

BVosler-Cruz,
Show me where Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, and John Edwards agreed to the DNC’s decision. It’s an exclusive DNC decision of which Howard Dean was the architect. There is no such agreement, never has been. You’re totally making that up. You are citing the pundits, who totally invented that spin.
The fact is that the credentials committee will be weighing the rules on May 31st under the watchful eyes of Ickes. You can bet that this thing has not been laid to rest yet, Hillary only needs to keep it alive until then. This is actually a fight between Hillary and the media at this point, the media is attempting to anoint Obama as the candidate prematurely. Their counts are all over the board and distorted in favor of Obama. We will not know the real count until the convention. All bets are off until then.
By the way, the number that is needed to nominate is 2210. Obama can’t close that deal now or at the convention. He better start the uniting.
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Obama and SweetieGate, we shall not forget!
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LA WCM needs to sign out and log back in as someone else!!
WCM
Read what i said not what you like to put in, and keep thinking that 2210 number!!!

again the word is “MIGHT”
but not at all she lost face the music!!!

BV who changed the magic number to 2210? Let me guess….
Who told her that she was in charge? She can’t be in charge unless she wins. She lost.

Obama is not arrogant. Its called confidence! If he didn’t have confidence you hillary dawgnuts would be calling him weak.
Scratch that, y’all already call him weak. And that’s defined as jealousy….the highest form of flattery.
Hey, I just found out last week I’m an elitist. I was shocked.

Senator Obama had TV ads going on in Florida for several days before they were shut down. So to say he did not campaign there is not exactly the truth. In fact, it is just another lie from his campaign. Senator Obama has hurt the Democratic party with his dishonesty and socialist ideas. I will never, never vote for such a dishonest politician. All talk and no substance. I have no respect for this corrupt man from Chicago.

BKMC | May 21, 2008 11:42:36 PM
That was Bill Clinton who said the Martin Luther KIng’s magnificent dream wouldn’t have been realized without President Johnson’s signature.
To me, he meant that each needed the strength of the other to complete the scenario.
I saw nothing racist in that statement and knowing so much about Bill and Hillary Clinton, I do not believe his comment was intended to be anything other than what it was… an observation .
That was the first time I saw the race card used in this campaign… there in South Carolina.
The Clintons had no reason to bring race into their campaign; they had/have many friends and supporters of all ethnicities, and care strongly about them.
The only candidate who benefitted from this was Obama….. as we saw when he draped himself in a forest of billowing American flags as he stood on the podium giving his excellent RACE speech
some weeks later.
And again, weeks after, when he gave his OTHER race speech.
(Want to make a bet that shortly after the nomination is won or lost, there will be a THIRD race speech… to bring Jeremiah back into Obama’s life? ‘=}
GIVE ‘EM HELL, HILLARY!!!

Jake,
Have you seen this?
From a few months ago, re McDonald of WA who is on the DNC credentialling committee:
McDonald who still is officially an uncommitted super-delegate, but the following from an Obama meetup site in WA a couple of months ago explains it in telling Obamans not to contact and put pressure on McDonald.
He also is on the credentials committee and still has dirty work to do:
“Barack Obama’s official staff begs you to NOT contact these superdelegates yourself. . . . Barack himself will be phoning each superdelegate personally and will be more compelling than any of us. These supers are more than aware that Obama has many supporters, your email or letter will not surprise them and make them switch. They have decided very carefully what to do, for political tactical reasons.
“Furthermore . . . David McDonald is on the national credentials committee and he may singlehandedly stop the Florida and Michigan results from coming in. He can not endorse before he does that.”

Mary
Please….. Did you know that Hillary Came to Fl before she announced that she was running she had a fund raiser here…. so who’s fooling whom???

HILLARY, WE ARE WITH YOU. KEEP ON GOING AND GET EVERY LAST VOTE COUNTED. OBAMA IS TRYING TO WIN BY DEFAULT AND AND UNDEMOCRATIC IDEAS. HE IS A NOT A MODERATE DEMOCRAT BUT A SOCIALIST. WE DO NOT WANT HIS VISION OF CHANGE.

Marla….their positions are about the same. What are you talking about?

I guess I called it right when I told WCM to go back to the Campaign and tell Hill it isnt working….

eyes wide open WCM please…… give it up that’s all highschool garbage….

La but your the best darn Elitis

Nice Job LA and CJ

My baby bro joined the army as a Republican. 9/11 was his second day of boot camp. He did several tours in Iraq, and yep, he was stop-lossed. When he finally got out in I asked who he was voting for. He swore he’d never vote again. He hated all politicians. I figured he had earned the right to those feelings. Imagine my delight to find out that now he and all of his military buddies are volunteering for Obama. They are over the moon for him. So anyone who wants to can say anything they want to about my support for Senator O. I’ve had years of sleepless nights during this administration. I am so looking forward to a long hibernation come November.

Hillary fights so hard because she knows she is by far the better and more qualified candidate and I fully agree with her.
The Dumbocrats are the real dummies here.
That is the reason I will NOT vote Obama if Hillary is not the nominee. It is because Hillary is really the one more prepared to be the President of the United States.
And the Dems dont deserve my support for Obama if they are way too stupid not to see that.
Obama, Hillary dont need you patronizing her. So get off the good words about her. Hillary can hold her own without you. All your patronizing wont get our vote for you in November.
So dont even try.

Re: Zimbabwe
and “vote buying”
by Raila Odinga, Obama’s cousin,
who ran for office in a bloody
Zimbabwe election last year in Kenya.
“ECK warns on vote buying
Sat, March 10, 2007
By LUCAS BARASA and DAVE OPIYO
Last updated: Sat, March 10, 2007
The Electoral Commission of Kenya (ECK) on Tuesday warned against buying and selling of voters’ cards ahead of the December General Election.
ECK chairman Samuel Kivuitu said those found will face the law.
Mr Kivuitu issued the warning as ODM presidential candidate Raila Odinga accused the Government of planning to rig the elections through buying of voters’ cards, double registration and hurried appointment of ECK commissioners.
Mr Odinga said his Westlands counterpart Fred Gumo found a Nairobi politician buying voters’ cards from Lang’ata and Westlands constituencies on Monday night at Sh1,000.
ECK commissioner Jack Tumwa confirmed having received complaints from Kibera in Lang’ata and Kisumu over the purchase of voters’ cards and their destruction to change voting pattern.
Separately, Mr Kivuitu cautioned Kenyans not to sell their voters’ cards saying it was criminal.
“A voter’s card is a weapon for your use. Selling or buying it is tantamount to auctioning your right. And those who are perpetrating the vice, the long arm of the law will sooner or later catch up with them,” he said.”
Raila Odinga is Obama’s cousin who was supported and financially abetted by him. He ran for office under the slogan “Agent of Change”… and look what he changed!
Here in the United States, we have something akin to the selling of voters cards.
It’s called the selling of Delegates…. all of our VOTES!
Be careful who you wish for!
GIVE’EM HELL, HILLARY!!!

Every vote cast in the Florida and Michigan Primaries must count.
It would be sheer hypocrisy for the Democratic National Party to claim that every vote had to count in the 2000 U.S. Presidential Election when it challenged hanging chads, but not count, or even diminish, 3.75 million votes cast in the Florida and Michigan Primaries.

Getting a bit desperate now, are we Clinton? The votes from Florida and Michigan DO NOT count, because those states broke the rules set down by the party. The other candidates didn’t even appear on the ballot, so they couldn’t have gotten votes.
I’ll admit that perhaps another vote should be done in those states, but we can’t count the results in those states as they stand now.
And for her to use the example of Zimbabwe, there is no comparison. Her supporters haven’t been murdered or killed, now have they? Turn the hyperbole off please, Clinton.

under Rule 20.C.1.a., Florida, Iowa, Michigan, New Hampshire, and South Carolina would have all lost their super delegates and had their pledged delegates reduced by half since they all violated Rule 11.A.
florida and michigan were the only states unfairly punished, why is that?

Sonia:
Exactly!
How can we have a president who steals the vote of his people so that they have no part in his selection?
How could such a rule have been approved?
Does the DNC mistakenly consider itself more powerful than the law of the land…. the Constitution?
Take it to the Convention!
GIVE ‘EM HELL, HILLARY!!!

I attended the Nevada State Convention as a member of the press.
Here is Obama’s idea of real change in the rules of government according to the Obama Campaign. Obama pays his delegates in caucus states to go to their state convention. He makes sure every one on the credentials committee are Obama supporters who decided at the last minute to take the Hillary delegates off the list of delegates if they haven’t registered by Friday of the state convention. Obama has his leaders of the Democratic Committee in one city that were in charge of finding bus transportation for both Hillary and Obama delegates. But they decided at the last moment to charter air flights because it is cheaper and they didn’t notify Hillary delegates of the change. These people who were cheated out of their transportation finally got to the convention on Saturday morning by getting their own transportation. They arrive to find out that their names have been removed from the rolls and are not seated as delegates along with the other Hillary delegates who attempted to register on Saturday. This resulted in the loss of one Hillary delegate to the National Convention.
Obama delegates who registered Saturday morning were seated as delegates but Hillary’s delegates were not seated. 99% of the positions of leadership at the Nevada State Convention were Obama supporters. Obama state delegates who found out first hand the underhanded cheating ways of the Obama campaign had gained an extra delegate and alternate delegate to the National Convention switched to become Hillary supporters.
Obama can only buy, manipulate, and cheat his way to the Democratic Nomination for President. He can’t win it fair and square. Obama buys the State and National delegates. Obama buys the Supper-delegates. Obama sells the general public a bunch of lies about himself and Hillary. Using ruthless sales tactics of used by car salesmen, real-estate agents, mortgage brokers, lawyers, George W. Bush and company and Adolf Hitler who sold Germans and most of Europe a horrible bill of goods and services. Obama is one of the most disgusting snake oil salesmen of all time. If Obama doesn’t get his way will Obama contact all the terrorist groups he has been negotiating with and have them attack us? Similar things like what happened at the Nevada State Convention or worse has happened at other caucus state conventions.

screw a revote. these states broke the rules, which everybody knew at the BEGINNING OF THE PRIMARY season and which, if their state committees cared one whit about protocol, could have simply rescinded! Do you honestly think we are so stupid that we don’t see the utter opportunism in this call for a revote, seating the delegates whatever? Why do you dems even bother to have rules if you won’t follow them!?

Not having your vote count is a civil rights issue. Again, I will repeat–NOT HAVING YOUR VOTE COUNT IS A CIVIL RIGHTS ISSUE. That is what should make this country a democracy. And Obama is against that.

BOB4USA– Thanks for setting the record straight. Senator Obama is not an honest man or candidate.

Bob4USA thank you for your excellent post. i heard similar accounts from relatives in the texas caucus. the caucus were hijacked by a bunch of hired thugs. reminds me of a bad episode of the sopranos.

To quote Obama’s catapult to the national scene,” these are not the red states or the blue states…these are the United States of America.” Hehehe….. except now he is only considering the votes from 48 and not 50 of those United States of America. Obama you are such a politician.
BTW I wanted to give you a high five on that spin with Reverend Wright to allow you an exit to disown him. It was a great move. The media ate it up. You should be president for being so smart to fool the media so well.

The latte liberal media is so freaking sad. They are the ones who are racists.
Poor Obama can’t win unless we hand it to him on a platter, please wash us of our sins and take away our white guilt.
I’m not racist, see, I voted for Obama.

Hillary gets more wacko by the day. The DNC nullified the FL and MI in 2007. Therefore, candidates had no reason to bother and voters has no reason to vote. To accept the shams those states conducted would be reminiscent of banana republic elections.

The Clintons didn’t help Kerry, they won’t help Obama, but they most definitely will do everything they can, hook or by….ahem crook, to help themselves.
Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton…please sir may I have another?

Bob, if you have really visited so many caucus states and are truthfully a witness to anything as preposterous as you claim, you should be filing complaints with every Board of Election in the states you say you visited.
Surely you don’t have time to waste on a silly blog.

voteclean, I agree. I had very little against Hillary until she gave unqualified support for the invasion of Iraq. That was perhaps the worst thing this country has done since Vietnam.
After that, she (and the other Democrats who voted as she did) could never get my vote.

This race will go to the National Convention. Obama has done a good job of buying his delegates. He will pay them well to represent him at the National Convention. It makes me sad to see that during this election money speaks louder than words, values, ethics, morals and principles. Many of the people I have talked to from around the USA have said: “In the Democartic Party to be nominated for the President of the USA you have to be the biggest crook of them all. The biggest crook is Obama”.

voteclean: “I support Barack because he made sense in 2002″
I suppose that you’re aware that he didn’t actually vote in 2002? And you are aware that in the senate he has voted for every single Iraq funding bill? And you are aware that he has stated that he doesn’t know how he would have voted if he had actually been in the senate at the time?

voteclean: I wasn’t at a caucus this year. But I have been in the past when I was a resident of caucus states. The reports I’m hearing (like the NPR report that was actually recorded, not just heresay) about the ones this year indicate a subversion of the whole process.

voteclean said: yes, yes, yes, and yes.
Like I said, he made sense. I didn’t say he voted.
I like people who make sense.”
So you agree that he has flip-flopped on that issue and admits that he might very well have voted the same way as people like Clinton who actually had the responsiblity of a vote?

the statement below was part of a report on a caucus watch website. this went on at every caucus site nationally. and yes some police reports were filed for the record.
The Clinton team accused Obama supporters of seizing the caucus packets and signing up delegates early in the day, against the rules. They said Obama supporters took control of the caucuses and turned away Clinton caucus-goers in line at the door. They called the reports disturbing and undemocratic and said all options were on the table in regards to possibly taking the matter to court.
“We’ve had hundreds of complaints flooding in,” said Clinton attorney Lyn Utrecht, citing comments from more than a dozen precincts in places like Houston, Dallas, Galveston and El Paso.

Cappamore,
“And you are aware that he has stated that he doesn’t know how he would have voted if he had actually been in the senate at the time?”
That is not true.
” “In July of 2004, Barack Obama: ‘I’m not privy to Senate intelligence reports. … What would I have done? I don’t know,’ in terms of how you would have voted on the war.” Russert did not quote the very next sentence of Obama’s statement, which was, “What I know is that from my vantage point the case was not made” for authorizing the war.”
I.e., Obama refused to address a huypothetica situation, but stated he saw no justification for authorizing the the invasion.
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He also made very public and very clear statements taht he opposed the invasion before it hapened and when his stance was an unpopular one.

There seems to be a flip-flop only if you quote him out of context.

Maybe Hillary can get some Colombian nationals, posing as cubans, to stage protests throughout southeast Fla.
I’m sure Mark Penn could help set that up for her.

Cap, everything a public figure says is now instantly on the Internet, it doesn’t matter who Barack was speaking to, what audience, everything is public domain.
It was courageous to speak out.
And as someone who distributed MoveOn flyers in fall 2002 against the bull about Saddam/Bin Laden, I can tell you by the ugly response, it does take courage to put yourself out there with an unpopular stance.
The drums were beating hard. Countdown to War!

As to the Clintons supporting Al in 2000, you realize of course, that the man (Big Al) had been lied by Bill, tried to believe hi, and stood next to him as he lied to the press.
I don’t blame Al for not using the Clintons. They were poison at that point, and I don’t worry about dirt coming out on Obama, I worry about the little blue dress coming back out to worry us in November!

Hear Hear! Dennis!
Well said!

Bob4usa, I read an article about the Republicans plans to win in any event.
If Hillary gets the nomination and there are riots then Bush will declare martial law. If Obama wins then there will be a flood of info that will sink him. I even read that they plan to make up some issues about McCain’s health and pull him from the ticket, and there was something about a bill Bush signed a year ago saying that he could shut down the govt. and declare a new govt. with absolute power. Knowing the neocons I wasn’t surprised but I took it with a grain of salt at the time. The link was on realclearpolitics.

PaVoter, I have wondered for a long time if Bush would voluntarily leave office. He does not seem to believe he is accountable to anyone.

At the caucus once a candidate gets 20 % of the vote then they are considered vialbe. Then depending on the number of delegates avaialable are divided amoungst the viable candidates. Then the county delegates are elected to attend the county convetions.
At the county conventions the number of state delegates are elected from the pool of county delegates. Again each candidate must have a certain percentage of delegates present to make each candidate vialable. Then the number of state delegates are divided and given to the candidates based on the number of county delegates present. The state delegates the are elected from the pool of couny delegates.
They attend the state convention where the National Delegates are elected. Again each candidate must have a certain percentage of state delegates present to be considered vialbe. Then the number national delegates are determined for each candidate by the number of delegates that show up to the convention and by each congressional district gets so many delegates based on population.
There are more county delegates than state delegates and more state delegates and national elegates. You start out with a huge pool of delegates that get narrowed down to the number of electoral votes each state gets based on population and number of congressional districts.
To get from county convetnion delegate to national delegate. You must attend a caucus be elected to be a delegate at the coutny convention, then get elected to a state delegate and attend the state convention to be elected to the national convention. I hope this clears up confusion about what happens in caucus states.

I don’t know if Hillary is incredibly stupid or just hell bent on destroying Obamas chances, I think the latter.
When Obama spoke in Iowa he said he now had the “majority” of delegates. Code for I control whatever happens at the convention if you choose to go that far.
I hope she does go to Denver, shes a fighter you know. What would a new version of the dream shall never die speech be, Democracy trumped The coronation?

Thanks for the overview, Bob, and it seems like a pretty orderly process that is repeated every two years, by experienced caucus goers.
If there were some boisterous if anecdotal disruptions at some caucus sites, it may have been inexperienced but determined new voters who knew they would be up against an entrenched and powerful machine.

Unfortunately for the caucus states its everything but orderly. There is a lot of room for cheating like what has occurred in all cuacus states this year by the Obama campaign.

I wish I would have bookmarked the article. It was very good. It was called something like will the voters get bamboozled again. A few days after I read it I started reading articles about McCain’s health and the riot rumors.
I just thought Jesus, I hope this is not prophetic.

Bob, whatever. Here,follow this link to a lively discussion about the Texas caucuses.
Hillary, like Bush’s people in the 2000 recount, had strategies for controlling caucuses, which would have use exactly the same tactics they deplore. I’m off to bed, but read if you wish…
These claims may well be legitimate, but lets just recall the Clinton caucus strategy, as reported by Ben Smith .
The Dallas Morning News gets hold of Clinton caucus “training materials,” in which supporters are instructed to fight for procedural control of caucuses.
The materials say in part, “DO NOT allow the supporter of another candidate to serve in leadership roles.”
It goes on to say, “If our supporters are outnumbered, ask the Temporary Chair if one of our supporters can serve as the Secretary, in the interest of fairness.
“The control of the sign-in sheets and the announcement of the delegates allotted to each candidate are the critical functions of the Chair and Secretary. This is why it is so important that Hillary supporters hold these positions.”
Some of the moments on the ground in Nevada showed how crucial technical control can be, particularly when — there, as expected in Texas — nobody has any idea what the rules are. Really makes you love the caucus process.

Ok, Bob, so it’s you against the Dallas Morning News.
Uh…who do I believe? I’ll go with those who put their names to their reporting, and keep documents. Why don’t you call the Dallas Morning News tomorrow morning and ask them why they lied to you?

Just as I was beginning to respect Hillary and recall the Clinton years as far better than the Bush years, Hillary has started once again digging up the Florida (with the support of the Republican Governor)and Michigan. Rules are rules and that is what America is about. I am an independent who could not vote in the democratic primary of my state while other states allow independents to vote, I don’t like that rule one bit but I accept that and it is time to once and for all lay to rest the Florida and Michigan primary as it violated the party rules. Hillary is welcome to leave the party if she does not like the rules or she can like Albert Gore take higher ground, think positively, leave public office and work very hard for the causes he loved and be recognized by the world and by the Nobel committee because Florida messed up his Presidential bid or she can keep bickering and excavating the Florida and Michigan vote and loose all credibility as a decent human being who wants to take over by hook or by crook the democratic nomination.

The giant Clinton machine wants to change the rules – what next – she’ll say none of the nomination process counted either? Give me a break – I’m losing so lets change the rules in the middle of the game

“Barton opened a free school in New Jersey. The attendance under her leadership grew to 600 but instead of hiring Barton to head the school, the board hired a man. Frustrated, she moved to Washington D.C. and began work as a clerk in the U.S. Patent Office; this was the first time a woman had received a substantial clerkship in the federal government.
Unfortunately, the current mindset of the American male is still set in 19th Century mode. Some values in the Obama Camp, seem set in the time of Clara Barton, where a man will be hired, first, over a hard working, qualified woman. As an illustration, please visualize how this mindset is out of place in the 21st Century. Just take a gander at the women, how they act and dress, at the controversial FLS Compound.
In contrast, look at Hillary Clinton, a tenacious, independent woman who wears pant suits. She is working hard to establish a leadership position in the 21st Century. She wants the position as the Head Master of the United States, (a.k.a. President). Hillary earned it, she has more popular votes than any man in the 2008 Presidential Campaign.
Why is our modern media, and Obama acting like he already has the job? How arrogant, Barack! I say, it is because the value system in the Democratic Party is still set back in the 19th Century. Look ahead in time, not backwards.
On May 31, 2008, the Democratic Party Rules Committee will act, as if they too were the Board of Director’s of the Free School in New Jersey. They will make a decision that will determine Hillary Clinton’s Fate.

This is not about her.
People in Florida want those elections to be counted.
You and the Obama campaign may not like it, but the people in those states want their votes to count.
And lets not pretend that she hasn’t tried to get fairer votes in both Michigan and Florida. She agreed to re-votes and the Obama forces stopped that in both states.
Why did they block re-votes is the real question here? Why was there no outrage when the Obama campaign made a concerted effort to crush the Michigan re-vote? Isn’t disenfranchisement the dirtiest trick in the book?
Stop clinging to technicalities.

She agreed to re-votes and the Obama forces stopped that in both states.
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BS!! I live her, she only wanted to allow people who voted in the Jan. 15th Primary be allowed to revote. What about all the people who did not vote because they knew it wouldn’t count or because Obama wasn’t on the ballot. HRC was afraid all the AA voters in Detroit would vote Obama (pop. of Detroit: 1 million). It was all about disenfranchising the AA vote. Even I could see this and I’m a white woman from the suburbs!

Time for Obama to go to Florida and use his influencing speech writing to woe Florida voters into thinking he will cure everything by telling them nothing but “hope” and “faith”. May 18 he said that Iran is a “tiny” country and no threat to America. May 19 he says that Iran is a “grave” threat and I’ve told you all along. What will he say next? Whatever will get him votes.

Hillary,
Get it straight.
Primary / General Election.
The DNC applies here!

Get it straight, Anne. He said tiny compared to Russia (who had missles pointed at the US from Cuba). Way to slice and dice to suit your argument.

This woman will do anything to win! She has already lied us – since Bill was in the Whitehouse – before they were in the Whitehouse – Whitewater – and about her dealings in the past – she is willing to do anything to win – even change the rules which she agreed to!

Lets tell the whole story since you are a “reporter”. Florida and Michian weren’t the only states to move the primary dates. As a Florida voter, I was surprised when I saw Obama commercials on TV before the primary here. I understood that the agreement said that there could be no campaigning in the state by the candidates. That was to punish the states financially. Obama supporters that say they didn’t vote because of the penalty are liars. We had several important state referendums on the ballot. They stayed home and ignored those? What about the local elections all over the state? 3 other states moved their primary dates as well against the established rules of the DNC. The DNC said that these other states would also be penalized but at a later time. When is this penalty to take place? No matter what the DNC decides, the voters have the last word and if it takes the General Election to have our voices finally heard, the DNC will be sorry.

You people all make me sick…this is my first year voting and I was So excited. I like Obama and Hillary both, but not McCain. And have decided to vote for whomever is the nominee. But you folks are a disgrace to America. The disgusting things you are asying about BOTH candidates really turns new voters off. If this wasn’t such an important time to get the RIGHT person in, I would probably set it out.

nicely said O. I agree she will and has said whatever she wants just to win. And all those who vote for her because they believe that she is fighting for them is as wrong as hell.She is only struggling t keep any power that she has left. Her win any and all cost even to the Party is disgusting. I hope all the supers that are left start coming forward in a fast and furious move to shut her up . and out . She is going to ruin this party by trying to take it to the convention floor. She will divide this party right down to its core and many will lose out because of her must win attitude. she is a detriment to the DEM. Party.
Know she is playing the sexist card!!
Please give me a break . I am a 49 year old woman and i would love to see a women President. But under no circumstance will i ever vote for her!!!
She is and will leave a bad taste in many voters mouths for a long time to come. She is hurting another Lady”s chance for becoming President for years to come.

Why should the bad decisions of a few individuals dis-enfranchise the votes of americans?

I didn’t count them right! 12 Caucus states, not 9.

OK HRC supporters, answer this question:
IF HRC manages to STEAL the nomination away from Obama using “dirty math”, how does she get his supporters behind her?
How does SHE win without US??
Anybody…….jump in….don’t all talk at once….(cue the crickets)

Hillary lost. It’s over. To try to portray her as a fighter might be accurate, but who is she fighting for? Hillary! If “her” supporers choose to vote for McCain or not at all, then it is their constitutional right;however, just like the people who voted for Bush regretted it, they surely will. I would just hope that people would care a little more about others than their love for “their” candidate. I do not like Hillary;however, if she became the nominee I would have no choice but to vote for her. This war has to end. Young people are dying. People can’t afford food, insurance or their home. I am not voting my own economics, I would love to have fewer taxes. I am voting my conscious. True democrats need to look within and find a way for “our” party to win.

Jake,
I was feeling sorry for HRC and thinking what is the harm in letting her end her campaign with dignity but now I see just how dangerous and devisive she is. I will never cast a vote for this candidate. Not in 2008, 2012 or 2016 … NOT EVER !!! The supers need to act and get rid of her. If her supporters can’t deal with losing fairly, by the rules that all candidates agreed to, then write her name in or go live in another world with Hillary.

hoosier sue did you mean mccain when you said payed bloggers?
please mccain is doing it, hillary is doing by the looks of it
i have no idea if obama is doing it, but if the other two are then i dont see why he wouldnt do it as well.
It is obvious that rush limbaugh is also getting people to do the same thing
so CALLI
stop being a moron
your candidate is a liar, and a cheater, and is acting like a 2 year old
i hope she hurts the party, adn i hope they kick her and bill out of the party
lets see her run as an independant lol, mccain for the win!

“A vote is not just a piece of paper. A vote is a human voice; a statement of human principle. And we should not let those voices be silenced. Not for today, not for tomorrow, not for as long as the country’s laws and democratic institutions let us stand and fight to let those voices count.” – Al Gore
If the committee decides to not count and seat Florida and Michigan AS THEY VOTED then by all means, we MUST take this fight to Denver.
Barack “bamboozle America” Obama and David “Broken” Axelrod do not want Florida and Michigan to count.
Well, I think the 17+ million MAJORITY of voters in this election that have voted for Hillary Clinton will have a lot to say on this matter!
Let your voices be heard loud and clear!!
America is worth fighting for!!
Count the votes from Florida and Michigan as they voted!
NO EXCEPTIONS!!
NO DEALS!!
NO RETREAT!!
GO HILLARY!!

Mr. David Brooks points out in his 3-25-08 column in The New York Times “Obama lawyers successfully prevented re-votes in Florida and Michigan.” I amazed that the preventing Michigan and Florida vote thus disenfranchising millions of Democratic voters didn’t seem to bother the whole media establishment one bit, which reminds me of the Supreme Court Handing over Florida vote to George Bush. Is this the new kind of politic that Sen. Obama promising the country? But this is nothing new for Mr. Obama. And in this new era of new politics promised by Sen. Obama, can this really happen, or is this politics as usual– circa Florida 2000? The more Sen. Obama strains to speak of change and new politics in America, less and less of it seemed real. Sen. Obama should practice what he preaches so blatantly and the presidential primary campaign is a good place to start…Disenfranchising American voters─ no other person knows more about this subject than our former Vice-President Al Gore. It is ironic we just witnessed the same thing happen to Hillary Clinton, that happened to Al Gore in November 2000. Sen. Obama’s lawyers had successfully blocked the re-voting of Michigan and Florida, suggests that this new era of Obama politics is even worse than the old ear of politics of Mr. Bush! For the sake of all those voters who were shutout by Sen. Obama’s lawyers, Al Gore should endorse Hilly Clinton.

And again, I say, where was all this outrage when this decision was made. Where was Senator Clinton’s outrage that “millions of people” would be disenfranchised. If this isn’t a perfect example of her self-serving behavior, I don’t know what it is.
I actually do believe that the rules were created for a reason and the states need to abide by the rules. I also believe that we should count the votes in Florida and Michigan…in some fashion. Whatever the final desicion is, I will accept it. However, I won’t accept this “perfectly timed” outrage by Clinton and her supporters. I mean, really…would we be hearing ANY of this if the race had ended on Super Tuesday as she thought that it would? Of course not…she is so desperate that it’s pitiful…

Don’t give me that the people didn’t choose tio have their primary moved. They elected the fools that did it. They are responsible for these people.

Thinking | May 22, 2008 10:12:52 AM
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Maybe THEIR election was as devious as THIS one!
GIVE ‘EM HELL, HILLARY!!!

Please explain how Hillary intends to count the votes of Michigan where she was the only candidate on the ballot???
In some countries that’s called a dictatorship. Touche Hillary.

Has anyone explained to HRC that the number of votes do not matter? It is delegate count that matters. Wow, this just demonstrates how inept she would be at handling the presidency. She cannot even figure out how to run a succesful Democratic primary campaign.

I live in OR, and my primary vote here for president counts MAYBE once in 100 years since its held in May. If we’re going to honestly address the issue of primary votes counting the whole system should be changed.

Last year at this time HRC was a shoe in for the nomination. Yet a year later she is loosing to an unknown politician. The reason she is loosing is because she fumbled and didn’t recover. The unknown was able to capatilize on her failure and take the lead.
Now she wants to re-write the rule book. It doesn’t really matter who wrote the rules what matters is that everyone knew the rules going into the game.
Her championing the re-vote was about as genuine as her “gas tax holiday”. Just as she knew she couldn’t deliver a “gas tax holiday”, she also knew Obama wouldn’t agree to her revote rules that only allowed the original voters to revote. It is a setup so she can say “what are you afraid of” and make it look like Obama didn’t want the re-vote.
You are only kidding yourselves if you think anyone in this circumstance would be willing to agree to rules designed to make them loose. So HRC comes up with rules that benefit only her and then when Obama objects he becomes the bad guy.
Hillary is loosing only because of her poor decisions. She thought she didn’t need to work for the nomination and Obama knew he did.
How is she more qualified to run this country if can’t even beat an unknown politician?

I have a feeling a number of people on this blog voted for Bush. Don’t like Obama, vote for McCain. You deserve it.

I agree the country and the media has been sexist in their handling of the Hilary campaign. The media and the country have been walking on egg shells not to offend feminist. If Hilary had been a male she would have been handled in a much more aggressive manner. She has been cottled and pampered. She whines and complains when things don’t go her way. As a woman I would like Hilary to have equal treatment. The DNC needs to step up to her and demand she quits. Hilary is damaging the party the party’s presidential candidate and possibly this country’s future for her own vanity.

Suzanne:
The only reason Obama took his name off the roster was because he knew he didn’t have a chance in hell of winning at that time.
He was NOT required to take his name off!!!
In any casem he told his field phoners to spread the word thaat everyone should vote “uncommitted”… which they did.
In Florida, he was the ONLY candidate who advertised prior to the primary.
B O claims that was because of how his advertising contract had been set up.
Doesn’t matter!
He BROKE THE RULE!!!!
Ask the people of Illinois about how devious his senatorial elections were in their state.
Ask them what they know about the importance of Emil Stone as the propellant and bearer of other senators’ bills to be be passed off to Obama … then “passed” in HIS name!
Emil is a super delegate for ?????.
All this in the final year of B O’s state senatorship.
Bush ran on “Change, and look at some of the changes HE has made.
Raila Odinga, cousin of Obama and member of the Odinga dynasty in Kenya who he aided and financially abetted, ran his bloody campaign as “The agent of Change”.
Al qaeda…. GAVE us change!
On the other hand,the changes the Clinton years rewarded us with were economic growth and comfort, and an abundance in the US Treasury.
I have faith that, of all the candidates, Hillary is the only one who can “direct our feet to the sunny side of the street”.
Which is why I encourage, implore her, to take it to the convention…… especially in the absence of media objectiveness and in the presence of the media blackout regarding her.
GIVE ‘EM HELL, HILLARY!!!

Which doesn’t really explain why Clinton didn’t make an issue out of Michigan and Florida until it became clear she might not be able to win the nomination without those contests counting.
Or why Clinton campaign senior adviser Harold Ickes, as a member of the DNC’s rules and bylaws committee, voted to not recognize Michigan and Florida’s delegates, thus — I suppose — taking for granted our precious right to vote.

Obama was not even on the ballot in Michigan. In Florida, some voters stayed home because they were informed of the terms of the violated contract which would void those results.
Only a re-vote, in which voters are NOT told before hand that it wont count, and in which BOTH Obama AND Clinton ARE able to campaign, would be valid.
The D Part reps in FL and MI have betrayed their constituents by refusing to schedule a legitimate re-vote. Those bum reps in FL and MI should be never have been voted for and they should all be thrown out by the voters. They refused a re-vote – they disenfranchised the voters by refusing a re-vote.
Clinton knows that with a re-vote, with BOTH candidates ON the ballot, and in which the candidates DO campaign, and in which voters ARE NOT informed beforehand of a contract signed by both candidates delcaring that it doesnt count – Clintons numbers will not improve.

We are almost there…no more Bush lies…no more Hillary/Bill spinning…for once it will be “We the People”!
YES WE CAN!

Where have you been? Have you not been following the primaries? Did you not know that FL and MI are the ones that have to make that decision? Oh wait you are not bothering to think for yourself you are just following whatever the Clinton machine feeds you…no wonder she is losing!

Don’t you just love the internet! They can’t spin us anymore! Every word she said during the campaign is readily available. Too bad Hillary/Bill…sorry you can’t have even another 4 years!

Four dozen you say? Well, let’s start with Bill, Hillary, Lanny, Terry, Howard, Sidney…

When did the Clintons start noticing africa, after all when bill was president he stood by gutlessly and let 500,000 be slaughtered in a genocide.

Are there any Obama supporters among the bloggers who believe Obama would win FL or MI if the states had revotes somehow?
Just curious as to how much confidence you really have in your man…
Posted by: Amy | May 22, 2008 3:00:52 PM
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Yes I do.

Obama can kiss MI votes goodbye if they ever did have a revote since he’s taken his name of the ballot. He’s wrote MI off and they would do the same to him.
Posted by: bman
Oh really? And you speak for the people in Michigan? All of them? I guess I missed the report where you were nominated to this position. Your opinion is your own, you do not represent the voting mood, or the opinion of the people of Michigan! You’re probably not even from there, as is the case with most of her supporters who are demanding that Florida and Michigan have their disqualified votes count!

The candidate is not just losing it, she’s throwing away her considerable talent in crazy self-destructive directions. It’s an audition for the presidency and she’s forgetting her lines.