Clinton Greets Puerto Ricans: Buenas Noches!

I guess some on this blog are not old enough to remember Kennedy vs. Carter.It went to the floor and after the vote Kennedy lost even after he tried to get pledged del. to vote for him that was in Aug. of 1980 he would not shake carters hand and the party was split and Reagan won.

How about a president candidate only foreign policy experience was gained when they were a child of 4 through 10, what does that say about a party electing a so unelectable person.
What about a person who states there are 56 states of America and have two more states to visit.
What about a person that says Good Morning Sunshine, when at the time they are campaigning in Sunrise, Fl. oops.

he would do what is right and continue on through the remaining primaries but would not use divisive language and try to change the rules or the perception of the rules in such a way to present that he somehow has a decent chance to still get this.

because its waht any sensible person in their right mind would do

Obama just isn’t ready for prime time yet. Once the democratic convention starts in August the actual pledged votes will be cast. So don’t get so excited Obamaites….. it ain’t over UNTIL IT’S OVER!!

Obama has been dropping in the polls for weeks. Since the end of February, he’s won only 2 states, NC and OR. In the GE, there are no caucuses. 97% of Obama’s biggest won states were caucuses. This is why his supporters have become so desperate that they are willing to pretend there is ANY democratic reason to scrap the votes of ANYONE in this country, EVER. “Rules?” Don’t you think that’s a dangerous precedent to set in this country? To be the FIRST democratic nation in history to ignore the votes of millions of people because they broke the “party rules?” The FL party would have had to allow an amendment removing a paper trail from votes if they fought the moving of their primary by the REPUBLICAN legislature. And now you want to throw away their votes? Who are you people? Have you ever taken a government class? Do you know what a democracy is? You can’t throw away the votes of people who aren’t willing to support your candidate in a democracy!!!!!!!!

Steve in CA
You can’t throw away the votes of people who aren’t willing to support your candidate in a democracy!!!!!!!!

Sure they can. Since when has the democratic party been a democracy?

Keep it up. Some of you Obama supporters continue to drive all the Clinton supporters away, toward sitting out the GE or toward McCain. Don’t you see that?
There are almost 18 million of us who have voted for Sen. Clinton so far, we exist, we matter, and no one can win the GE without us.

First off florida and michigan will get seated
and they will punish the delegates of that state. each delegate will probably only count for half a vote.
Secondly, she is counting the vote, and has been for some time.
although she doesnt count ANY votes for obama in michigan, where some voted for him as there was a grass root movement to tell people if htey wanted to vote for obama to vote uncommited.
Several other people withdrew their names as well
for her to give him ZERO of the uncommited and basically win that state 100-0 is crazy talk
it makes no sense…
but dont woryr that wont happen, once again it will be a half vote, hell probably get to count all the uncommiteds towards his popular vote
and even if he doesnt… the popular vote doesnt mean anything
he still has the most delegates, she can not catch up to him.. it is impossible

In order to secure the nomination, candidates need to earn a certain number of pledged delegates (which will change in some manner after the MI and FL delegates are seated). Those can be pledged or superdelegates, but the supers can’t vote until the end of August at the convention. Neither candidate will have enough purely pledged (primary) delegates before the convention to win the nomination, no matter what the Obama campaign would like us to believe. Naturally, they want us to believe he is the inevitable nominee. That’s what politicians do. However, NO ONE can get enough primary pledged delegates to win in June, and superdelegates can change their votes up until 3 months from now. Three months is a LONG time, of course.

Omentum – I was thinking the same thing.

“You can’t throw away the votes of people who aren’t willing to support your candidate in a democracy!!!!!!!!”
Did you read the first post in this thread? Florida Truth makes a good case for the voters in Florida who were truly disenfranchised because they were repeatedly told that their votes wouldn’t count. If you didn’t own property there was no reason to GOTV. Was that fair to Florida Truth and the other people that didn’t vote because they were told it wouldn’t count?

@John: When someone like yourself comes along with common sense, others try and drown you out. It is easier to spew hate and nonsense. In spite of the hot air that gets bandied about here, I’m confident that most people are more like yourself.

the obamas as angry lol
are we watching the same race here?

bhrandon….i think we are…and you need to see how angry michelle is. view the tapes yourself sir. we don’t need prejudice in the WH… we need hillary clinton..

tk, this is not about getting our way. this is about the presidency of the united states of america sir. as i have said in earlier posts, i would support obama if hillary didn’t get the nom, but now the creeps that he has associated with, lived with, mentored with, and is married to are so full of hate and anger….it makes me afraid. no sir, i won’t vote for mc’cant.

It’s over Hillary. Please stop manipulating numbers, words, ideas, facts, and history. It’s over for you, Buenas Noches.

Surely you jest re: baggage — or were born yesterday.
Hillary has tons, heaps, and miles of baggage (and I don’t mean “just-Bill” issues).
It just hasn’t been discussed during the primary, due to a tacit Dem Party rule: One doesn’t raise these issues, since they reflect badly on the party, on the Clintons-as-Dem.-celebrities, and on the last Democratic presidency.
But the GOP has been salivating at the chance to air the dirty laundry, and would do so with great skill. It would hit voters like a ton of bricks – since none of it has been mentioned during the Dem primaries.
In addition:
– To recapture all of those “blue collars,” the GOP need only expose Hill’s recent “just folks” stance as a con job – completely at odds with her previous identity, voting record, and VERY aggressive vote-seeking among ‘way-liberal interest groups.
– They’d also drag in Bill’s probable W.H. role, his iffy lobbying, past use of the W.H. as a “cash cow,” and whether Hill’s job would just be a setup for Bill’s future business interests (and not necessarily in the U.S.’s interest).
He’d be fair game, since she owes her candidacy to his influence, and he’s been 90% of her campaign. If she viewed her past spousal role as a “co-presidency,” why wouldn’t he?
– And that’s before questioning her leadership temperament — i.e., whether voters can trust someone who misspeaks so regularly, reneges on agreements, has divided her own party, alters her identity at will, wreaks havoc rather than unifying, gets unhinged when stressed (as with her Zimbabwe and RFK comments), and attributes any criticism to far-left, far-right, sexist, and media conspiracies.
The GOP’s attacks would be EXCEEDINGLY effective, and educational — especially to Democrats, who (to date) have been focused only on Obama’s gaffes, and allowed Hillary to cherrypick her own history.

Let’s be clear:
The primary election was to find out what candidate won more delegates
…period.
Then comes the intelligence and the strategy on how to get those delegates.
It was not about number of votes: otherwise both Obama and Clinton would have had a different strategy.
The Obama camp was more intelligent and more strategic and better prepared.
If the idea would have been to get more votes, the Obama camp would have developed a different strategy. And they would have won because they are better organizers, better economists, and better strategists.
Clinton camp has shown a lack of strategy, economical incompetence, and lack of intelligence.
Like it or not…the truth is the truth.

spiky, hi, but i must disagree with you sir. the clintons are not perfect, as neither you or i are, but they are not immoral. obama’s creeps are crawling out from under their rocks. talk about spoiling obama’s chances. he has his associates to thank for that sir. and what is the latest on rattso…have you heard…i haven’t..just waiting to hear.

v in vermont – I don’t think you can blame Obama supporters for “driving away” Clinton supporters from voting for Obama if he gets the nomination. Not any more than the reverse. We are all responsible for our actions and need to take responsibility for the votes we cast no matter what the opposition says or does. The bottom line is if McCain is elected because either Obama supporters or Clinton supporters defect out of anger because their candidate of choice didn’t get the nomination, the country will be headed in a very different direction than if either democrat is elected. The Supreme Court is at stake. Our economy is at stake and the Iraq war is not only killing our kids but also has a HUGE and direct effect on our economy. We are spending literally billions of dollars each and every month on the war. Our country would not be in the miserable shape it is if not for the war. Separation of church and state is at stake. We can’t use being ticked off that our candidate didn’t get the nomination as an excuse for either voting for McCain or staying home on election day. This is not only a really stupid thing to do, it’s a juvenile way of behaving and will affect our future in a way that is so incredibly bad. We need to get a democrat in office. period. As far as I’m concerned, at this point I don’t care who it is as long as she/he is a democrat. All the arguments one poses for or against Clinton and Obama are now moot. Clinton this, Clinton that, Obama this, Obama that – it’s all b.s. We need to get a democrat in office to end the insanity of the past eight years under republican rule. And, folks, McCain IS a republican.

These posts about polls at this point are irrelevant for the general election, otherwise we would be talking about President Kerry’s second term now.
Ultimately, it’s whoever shows up to vote that matters. Clearly Obama & Clinton have a large fan base. McCain is kinda milktoast now and spurning his pseudobase of evangelicals. It’s the GOP who have the big problem right now. Although I like McCain’s recent remembrance of his moderate views, if the GOP base doesn’t come out and vote he will lose.

I love it when someone has a problem …but if you were to ask me : HRC is still safer bet for the DEMS

Obama, Axelrod, and Plouffe are in for a VERY rude awakening. With a free ride from the media, Hillary making her own mistakes, and the complicated DNC rules, the Obama campaign has been successful. But guess what? We are still a center-right country, the same country that elected Bush for TWO terms. Those 62 million voters haven’t gone anywhere. And Hillary supporters? There are almost 18 million of us and we are mad as hell!!! Obama has done nothing to bring us into the fold. All his people do is insist that we’ll be a “united party”. Well, go ahead and make all the assumptions you want. You’ll find out in November just how angry we are.
“President McCain”. GET USED TO IT!
McCain ’08/Hillary ’12

How do you HRC supporters keep saying she will be elected president? I work with young students with learning disabilities that can do math better than you.Let it go! Or are you thinking about 1968?…….

57 states of denials ….oops…well if you add FL and MI, it is actually 59…with Puerto Rico, it is 60
United States of America !

I mean cannot wait till then…seriously

Pathetic!
Pathetic are the Obama sheep that are on here claiming that McCain is the same as Bush.
Those of you sheep that spew that are idiots. You have never once looked at McCain’s stand on the issues. It proves your ignorance, no, flat out stupidity about this election. You are giong to try and paint McCain the same as Bush just to use fear to get your party in the whitehouse.
Stupidity such as these Obama sheep should not be allowed to vote. They have got to be the dumbest idiots to have ever taken a breath.
Misinformation and lies – the liberal way to Utopia.

Amen to that.
“There are almost 18 million of us who have voted for Sen. Clinton so far, we exist, we matter, and no one can win the GE without us.”

mimi362,
You can create your own reality, and the rest of us are free to laugh hysterically at it.
One thing we know about Hillary is,
As a pre-emptive attack, she accuses her adversary of having her *own* major weaknesses.
Since her experience was shaky, she carped re Obama’s “inexperience.”
After Bill’s SC comments were tagged as racist, Hillary’s campaign leveled racism accusations at Obama.
She’s been disloyal to her party and voter subgroups, so her campaign accuses ex-supporters of being Judases.
She’s wealthy and relies on large donors and lobbyists, so she ‘poor-mouthed’ as if Obama were Richie Richguy.
She’s a privileged Ivy grad, so accused Obama of elitism.
She wants to change rules and dodge the 4-state agreement she signed, so her supporters are accusing Obama of theft.
She’s now perceived as more divisive than a cross-cut saw, so she’s trying to spin Obama as divisive.
If she accused Obama of jaywalking, I’d know that Hillary herself must have just gotten a jaywalking summons.
Her campaign determines what Hillary’s biggest liability is, and then tries to tag Obama with it.
It’s so obvious that it’s b-o-r-i-n-g.

Florida Truth-
I have read about this, I really don’t understand why the Obama campaign doesn’t speak about it publicly to lay to rest the constant
“OBAMA IS DISENFRANCHISING FLORIDA” crap.
It wasn’t an election, everyone in Fla knew it wouldn’t count. Of course, at the time, everyone assumed Hillary would win, so they didn’t care.
I think the DNC will not alienate the REST OF THE COUNTRY by ignoring the rules and fully seating an election that was inarguably VOID.

Well the Puerto Ricans are saying Hola to Hillary with their votes.