Clinton Takes on ‘Those People on TV’
ABC News’ Eloise Harper reports: In Loretto, Ky., today, Sen. Hillary Clinton vented some frustration with the pundits who keep saying the race for the Democratic presidential nomination is over and that she should quit.
"And you know all those people on TV who keep telling you and everybody else that this race is over and I should just be graceful and say ‘Oh, it’s over,’ even though I’ve won more votes," she said. "Those are all people who have a job. Those are all people who have health care. Those are all people who can afford to send their kids to college. Those are all people who can pay whatever is charged at the gas pump. They’re not the people I’m running to be a champion for."
Clinton continued to make the argument that every time she gets counted out she comes back stronger.
"There’s some people who have been saying for months that this is over –- and every time they say it the voters come back and say, "Oooh no it’s not, we’re not ready for it to be over,’" she said.
The senator made the point that she is no quitter.
"You see all those folks on TV, they keep telling me to quit," she said. "Well, I don’t know, maybe I was just raised with the kind of values you were raised -– you don’t quit on people and you don’t quit until you finish what you started and you don’t quit on America. And I’m running for president because I believe that I would be the best president and I’m the stronger candidate to beat John McCain."
Clinton continued to make her argument that she is ahead.
"Right now I am leading in the popular vote –- more Americans have voted for me," she said. "Right now if you add up the states that I have won, it totals 300 electoral votes you have to have 270 to win -– now there are some states I’ve won that maybe won’t go for the Democrat, like Texas or Oklahoma, but I still have a comfortable margin. My opponent has won states totaling 217 electoral votes and lots of states like Alaska, Idaho and Utah that haven’t voted for a Democrat in a long time. So if you look at the states we have to win, if you look at the big states, if you look at the swing states, I am the stronger candidate."
Clinton made her push for Kentuckians to go out and vote for her and said that their voted mattered for winning in the fall.
"You know, last week I won West Virginia by 41 points. A Democrat hasn’t been elected since 1916 without winning West Virginia, but here’s something else — you don’t win the White House without winning Kentucky."
Senator Clinton made these remarks at the Makers Mark distillery. She did not take a shot of whiskey – but did dip a bottle in the famous red wax. Wearing black gloves and clear goggles, Clinton had a big smile on her face as she dipped the bottle. She spilled a little of it and said later that they were going to let her keep the bottle.
After Clinton spoke, "I Won’t Back Down" by Tom Petty played in the background.
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Go Hillary, don’t ever give up. Hillary is our only hope. Obama is a fraud and is too radical with his left wing groups, i.e. moveon.org and his radical friends Ayers, Wright, Rezko, etc.
Hillary is our only hope. Take it to the convention if you have to.
Posted by: Bill | May 17, 2008, 4:37 pm 4:37 pm
Hillary 08. If not Hillary then McCain.
Posted by: Amy | May 17, 2008, 4:39 pm 4:39 pm
In comparison to Hillary, even Huckabee is a hero of realism and mental sanity.
Posted by: maria | May 17, 2008, 4:41 pm 4:41 pm
Hillary Who??
Posted by: Time's UP! | May 17, 2008, 4:47 pm 4:47 pm
I love Hillary.
Posted by: keith | May 17, 2008, 4:47 pm 4:47 pm
Don’t back down Hillary. People of KY, say it loud and clear, give her a landslide, we have to stick together to beat the DNC and the media. Go Hillary if not, then it’s McCain!
Posted by: kittyCat | May 17, 2008, 4:49 pm 4:49 pm
Obama who? What is an Obama? I heard an Obama was the same as a nosebleed without the blood!
So nothing from nothing is NOTHING!
Posted by: HP Boston | May 17, 2008, 4:52 pm 4:52 pm
Even a blind person could see that this race is over!!! its a matter when she decides to drop. office of presidency is never a birthright!
Posted by: may the best win | May 17, 2008, 4:58 pm 4:58 pm
The current polls show Hillary running ahead of Obama against McCain. She is ahead in popular vote and will remain ahead. Obama CANNOT carry Florida in the fall. He is scheduled to fundraise in Florida next week and there are HUGE protests organized at each stop. Florida democrats blame him for blocking any deal to count the votes. How many times Obama said you can’t overturn the will of the voters until he realized he would not have the popular vote.
Posted by: maryintampa | May 17, 2008, 5:02 pm 5:02 pm
Write Hillary Clinton in on the ballot. She will crush Obama and mayebe defeat McCain. Obama won’t get real Democrats votes.
Posted by: libre | May 17, 2008, 5:04 pm 5:04 pm
Scoreboard:
Magic Number needed to win 2025
“John Edwards” throw his weight behind Obama campaign at the right time.
Obama’s state wins 32 lost 16, Delegate count 1904-.
Clinton’s state wins 16 lost 32,
Delegate count 1711+/-.
Fund Raising
Obama $55m and counting
Clinton ($25m) in the red will drop out soom.
Obama all the way!
Posted by: Lookup | May 17, 2008, 5:06 pm 5:06 pm
Go, Hilary! Stay the course!
Be true to your nature!
You did not give up on your philandering husband, even though he publicly humiliated you and Chelsea over and over and over again with the “other women”!
So why should you give up now on another lost cause?
After all, there is no more dignity left to defend!
Posted by: Patriot | May 17, 2008, 5:06 pm 5:06 pm
Al Gore won the popular vote in 2000, but lost the election to George Bush, and the Democtats howled about the unfairness of it for years. Are we going to see the same howling if Senator Clinton receives the popular vote and does not receive the nomination? We’ll see…….
Posted by: Grammy Barb | May 17, 2008, 5:07 pm 5:07 pm
Hey Mary- I heard from some Floridians they are planning to attend Obama events, and then completely turn their backs to him as he speaks, because Obama turned his backs on them by delaying the delegation procedure. The protesters should be pretty intense for Obama to confront, since he is so used to folks fawning all over him…
Posted by: Broken Government | May 17, 2008, 5:07 pm 5:07 pm
Lookup
On paper Obama may look good but you will get a shock when he is not the nominee and doesnt deserve to be! he has 90 percent of his delegates from the caucuses thats not a fair count
Posted by: NCDem | May 17, 2008, 5:08 pm 5:08 pm
the media doesnt want you to know the truth abut Obama because they might be liable even though there is freedom of the press!
Posted by: NCDem | May 17, 2008, 5:10 pm 5:10 pm
obama is probably watching very closely his cousin Odinga burning christians in a church so he can get pointers
Posted by: Cathy in Indiana | May 17, 2008, 5:12 pm 5:12 pm
Times up
it might not be that long before Obama is humiliated much worse ….we will not permit Obama as nominee and will not vote for him ever!
Posted by: NCDem | May 17, 2008, 5:12 pm 5:12 pm
Wow, I am glad Hillary doesn’t have a chance. She would be as disastrous for this country as Bush is. She clearly does not reside in a world of sane and rational thinking. Maybe that’s how she was able to stay with a man who disrespected her throughout the marriage.
It doesn’t matter which candidate you support, it is clear that she’s not being rational. It’s scary.
Posted by: Liz | May 17, 2008, 5:12 pm 5:12 pm
So many of the people backing Obama are the same who were outraged in 2000 when Al Gore won the popular vote and was unable to take the office. He lost because of electoral votes. Now these same people see nothing wrong with Obama losing the popular vote but taking the nomination with delegate count. You can’t have it both ways. We need to do away with these antiquated systems and make this a winner take all with the popular vote. At the very least all states should have the same primary system.
Posted by: maryintampa | May 17, 2008, 5:15 pm 5:15 pm
I am paid by the Obama campaign to request that if Hillary showed a bit of cleavage she’d get my vote
Posted by: Fred in Ohio | May 17, 2008, 5:17 pm 5:17 pm
Libre,
You have said it all. The DNC is in for a really rude awakening. like you, so many others are ready to walk away from this party. Hillary Clinton is the best qualified candidate in this race and she is getting thrown under the bus. Thanks for taking the time to tell it like it is!
Posted by: Nancy | May 17, 2008, 5:17 pm 5:17 pm
Hillary spending weeks in the last primary and winning by a landslide – minus $20 mil
Obama spending two days campaigning and walking away with eight delegates couple thousand dollars
Obama announcing Edward’s endorsement and Knocking Hill off the Front Page after her W V win….
PRICELESS!!!!
Posted by: Priceless! | May 17, 2008, 5:18 pm 5:18 pm
I pay a high respect to Sen Clinton.
Good luck to your campaign.
Posted by: The truth | May 17, 2008, 5:19 pm 5:19 pm
Just Like Bill, Hillary is taking the Democratic Party down with her.
Posted by: Thinking | May 17, 2008, 5:19 pm 5:19 pm
Until the convention is over, it is not over. The superdelegates must vote there, not in the papers. So that is when the cut comes and hopefully the dems will see the writing on the wall, obama will never get elected. period. guaranteed if he runs, mccain will win and then what,
Posted by: stan | May 17, 2008, 5:21 pm 5:21 pm
Go Hillary, keep fighting and we will always support and ignore all the pundits. These pundits and Obama’s superdelegates want to end this race because they are afraid you will win big in the state where there a lot of older voters and blue collar voters. They are afraid Hillary’s supporters know that they choose the weak candidates to fight against McCain. If you are not nominee, we rather vote for McCain than Mrs. fast talker with the empty suit. McCain is an experience senator and war hero and protect our country safe.
Posted by: stephanie | May 17, 2008, 5:21 pm 5:21 pm
Well, there is a funny thing called History and then there is now. Historical performance does not ensure future gains. It is about time to change the old ways of politics and usher in the new. I vote Obama!
Posted by: Greg Orlowsky | May 17, 2008, 5:22 pm 5:22 pm
I will vote for no other democrat, along with Obama, losers all. Edwards thinks he is so smart to get the pundits to talk about his supporting Obama and away from talking about Hillary’s huge win in West Virginia. I hope she wins even bigger in Kentucky.
Posted by: Jan Phillips | May 17, 2008, 5:23 pm 5:23 pm
I will vote for no other democrat, along with Obama, losers all. Edwards thinks he is so smart to get the pundits to talk about his supporting Obama and away from talking about Hillary’s huge win in West Virginia. I hope she wins even bigger in Kentucky.
Posted by: Jan Phillips | May 17, 2008, 5:23 pm 5:23 pm
These Hillary people are in deep denial. They’re going to need professional help when they face reality.
Posted by: Steve Fought | May 17, 2008, 5:23 pm 5:23 pm
I’m sick and tired of people blaming Obama and Dean for the Florida and Michigan screw-up. The Democratic state legislators in both state almost unanimously voted for moving the primary up with full warning they would be sacrificing their delegates. All the Democratic candidates, including Clinton, agreed before the primaries started that both states broke the rules and the punishment should stick. If anyone is to blame, it is the voters in Florida who elected the idiots that screwed them.
I am also sick and tired of Obama supporters and Clinton supporters who keep claiming they will vote for McCain if their candidate does not win the primary. Grow up and wake up people. Both Clinton and Obama are good candidates and they line up together on all major issues.
A VOTE FOR MCCAIN IS A VOTE FOR FOUR MORE YEARS OF THE SAME!!!
Posted by: Oeno | May 17, 2008, 5:24 pm 5:24 pm
What is more important to Hillary Clinton?
The future of America or her own swollen ego ?
The answer has seemed quite obvious for some time now.
Posted by: PulSamsara | May 17, 2008, 5:24 pm 5:24 pm
George
it is Obama and the DNC that has subverted the rules… we will not stand down.. Clinton will win the nomination or run as independant!
Posted by: NCDem | May 17, 2008, 5:26 pm 5:26 pm
MSNBC/CNN or as I like to call them, Obama Campaign Central are a disgrace to journalism. I know FOX news is conservative, but at least they have people on who can disagree with them. The only one on CNN that is fair is Lou Dobbs, he even takes on his own network for bias reporting. I am surprised he hasn’t been sacked. MSNBC/CNN trash TV.
Posted by: Tina from Florida | May 17, 2008, 5:27 pm 5:27 pm
steve
Obama will not win the GE and Hillary has the popular vote no matter what you say… she will be on the ticket or the nominee of the democratic party or she will run as an independant and you will accept it!
Posted by: NCDem | May 17, 2008, 5:28 pm 5:28 pm
obama!
Obama won 130-140 delegates from the caucus not primary election. Caucus is undemcrocrat like Nebraska and Washington caucus he won 2-1 but primary result almost tie.
The state that he won are the red state and he can’t win in the GE. GE is not caucus so how can he win.
Posted by: Laura | May 17, 2008, 5:29 pm 5:29 pm
I agree Tina
we are fighting back for her we will not take this anymore!
Posted by: NCDem | May 17, 2008, 5:30 pm 5:30 pm
When Hillary kicks Obama’s butt again in KY will John Opportunist Edwards endorse him again?
Posted by: Tessa | May 17, 2008, 5:30 pm 5:30 pm
Laura
exactly and with the states that are big wins in the GE that Hillary has won she will win the electoral college in a walk in 3 or 4 way race its not over… we will force them to make her the Dem nominee or she will run as an Independant
Posted by: NCDem | May 17, 2008, 5:32 pm 5:32 pm
Tessa
exactly… and in OR it wont be like NC… there isnt that much of an african american pop
Posted by: NCDem | May 17, 2008, 5:33 pm 5:33 pm
Go, Hilary!
Be just like your President whose war you gladly supported: “Stay the losing course”, Hilary!
Be true to your nature, Hilary!
No class to hold you back.
No dignity to deter you.
No pride to defend.
Teach Chelsea and other young women of America how a real woman endures public humiliation from her husband and from a nation who holds her as their most hated politician.
You go, girl!
Victory is yours!
Victory in your imagination is STILL victory!
Posted by: Patriot | May 17, 2008, 5:33 pm 5:33 pm
Tessa:
It will probably be Gore that steps forward this time, the DNC has spoken and we are supposed to be good little foot soldiers and follow them. Well, not me. I’ll never vote for Obama.
Posted by: kittyCat | May 17, 2008, 5:33 pm 5:33 pm
I’m glad Hillary is losing, she’s such a liar!
Posted by: mary | May 17, 2008, 5:35 pm 5:35 pm
How can Senator Clinton possibly count the votes in Michigan in her total?
In America, there are at least two names on the ballot, sometimes even more. Having only one name on the ballot doesn’t pass the rigged election test.
Mr. Obama simply followed the rules of the party. Mrs. Clinton pledged the same.
Can it be possible that he gets zero votes for all of Michigan while his opponent get 300,000? Not in America!
Posted by: Brian | May 17, 2008, 5:35 pm 5:35 pm
If she keeps telling herself this long enought she will believe it.Poor woman………It is hard for her to have some one tell her she can’t have this job.NO one tells Hilly she can’t have something.Is she waitig for some one to knock him off like many of the other Clintons associates?????
Posted by: IND voter | May 17, 2008, 5:35 pm 5:35 pm
Senator Clinton is preparing to run in 2012. It is in her interest to get Senator McCain to win in 2008.
Posted by: worldsam | May 17, 2008, 5:36 pm 5:36 pm
Brian
wrong again… he had Howard Dean be in collusion with him on making those rules it will not stand Hilary has the true pop vote lead period … we will not back downm… Hillary will be the VP nominee she will be the nominee or she will run as an independant you will comply with us!
Posted by: NCDem | May 17, 2008, 5:37 pm 5:37 pm
Michigan Results
Clinton – 328,000
Obama – 0
Not even a third world dictator could believe that.
Posted by: Sharon | May 17, 2008, 5:38 pm 5:38 pm
lookup you are delusional… Obama will not win the GE anbd he will not b the nominee!
Posted by: NCDem | May 17, 2008, 5:38 pm 5:38 pm
i don’t like hillary. i know this isn’t deep or intellectually based, but i just don’t like her. it’s not because she’s a woman either, i would love to see a female prez. you know how one dog can go up to another dog and just start growling for no apparent reason? that’s kind of how i feel about this woman. i don’t know what the hell it is, but i just don’t buy what she says.
know what i mean?
Posted by: eggie08 | May 17, 2008, 5:39 pm 5:39 pm
Not me
Obama will not get you health care he leaves out oh just a few million people!
Posted by: NCDem | May 17, 2008, 5:40 pm 5:40 pm
Hillary is an amazingly couragous woman, inteligent person, experience rich, and has a great sense of humor – all wonderful traits in the President f the Unitede States.
The media has been on the edge of unethical for years and during the past few months have gone over the edge. I no longer use TV as my news source. I will say thanks to John McLaughlin for the respect he has shown Hillary but he is the only one on PBS, CNN,
Fox and all the other conglomerates of so called fair and accurate reporting.
Women find your voice – you are being discounted!
Posted by: becky l | May 17, 2008, 5:41 pm 5:41 pm
Bob’
its not over we wil fight you for the nomination because he doesnt have it yet and if Mi and FL arent counted in Hillarys favor she will run as independant we are not goign away you will accept that she will be the nominee !
Posted by: NCDem | May 17, 2008, 5:42 pm 5:42 pm
Hillary has no qualifications. Likewise, Obama has no qualifications. neither has run a business, governed a state or had anything to do with the military that qualifies them to be commander-in-chief.
Frankly, the are both deceitful and are making promises to everyone that they can never possibly keep. Hillary and Obama are both running cons on those from whom they need support…hiding behind a mask of smiles, experience, change and hope. Everything they are offering is empty platitudes.
Posted by: gacoastalguy | May 17, 2008, 5:43 pm 5:43 pm
Sharon: Would you rather have “Rocking Chair” John McCain, a Bush Clone for four more years I don’t think so?
Posted by: Lookup | May 17, 2008, 5:44 pm 5:44 pm
They must have another critter-delegate lined up for the “look over here!” act after she kicks his empty-suit ass, again. Funny, it was John “The Hair” Edwards who asked Mr O’ in a debate about all the special interest money he was getting: “-do you think they want something in return?”, a few months later, he was being bought and paid for.
Posted by: Gus88 | May 17, 2008, 5:45 pm 5:45 pm
If Clinton does not win, We did not hire the best person for the job….
Posted by: KURT | May 17, 2008, 5:45 pm 5:45 pm
Lookup
we just will not elect Obama period!
Posted by: NCDem | May 17, 2008, 5:46 pm 5:46 pm
Lookup, I would rather have McCain as President even if he were in a nursing home. Obama is the worst candidate the democratic party has produced since Jimmy Carter.
Posted by: Decided | May 17, 2008, 5:46 pm 5:46 pm
Health Care
that is not true! you just dont want your rich elite income taxed… which is what they will do and they deserve to have your money!
Posted by: NCDem | May 17, 2008, 5:47 pm 5:47 pm
All I can say is, “Thank you, Hillary, for not giving up, just because the DNC hates you.” Hillary Clinton is our only hope of avoiding either of two disasters: McCain or Obama. If she quits (or is ousted by the Star Chamber), America will be left only with a choice (in November) of terrible or horrible.
Posted by: Rhys | May 17, 2008, 5:48 pm 5:48 pm
NCDem: Keep watching the “Score Board” the numbers want lie.
Posted by: Lookup | May 17, 2008, 5:48 pm 5:48 pm
Those people on tv did not put Clinton in in the ’90′s WE DID! Inspite of them!
Posted by: irma | May 17, 2008, 5:49 pm 5:49 pm
Clinton supporters, Obama will be in Tampa, Florida Wednesday. I will be protesting with many others at the St. Pete Forum in Tampa, Florida. I think I will make note of MSNBC/CNN on my protest sign. The event is being advertised on the radio so I think it will be very big.
Posted by: Tina from Florida | May 17, 2008, 5:49 pm 5:49 pm
hannibal
20 million is a figure the Obama peopel put in there… that is what she owes mark penn but will not pay at this point and she has broader support in the GE and will win in a 3 or 4 way race you know it and we will not permit or sit and listen to your lies and collusion anymore you will not influbece anyone Obama will not be the nominee nor win the GE period!… Obama will lose…. we guarantee it!
Posted by: NCDem | May 17, 2008, 5:50 pm 5:50 pm
Home work
its a tax on the upper incomes which is wholy justified you are not entitled to all your wealth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: NCDem | May 17, 2008, 5:51 pm 5:51 pm
Michigan and Florida “were illegal primaries”?! Since when, in a so-called democracy, is it illegal to vote?! Or to be told your vote doesn’t count because it didn’t please the powers-that-be? Sounds a little like Zimbabwe, doesn’t it? The DNC didn’t like the way the election was going, so they disenfranchised thousands of ordinary citizens who had NOTHING to do with the date of their states’ primaries. The voters of Michigan and Florida were told they must be “punished” for voting when their state told them to vote. America really IS becoming a “third-world” country.
Posted by: Rhys | May 17, 2008, 5:52 pm 5:52 pm
Irma
I try not to listen bu they are throwing up such weak and predictable arguments that its hard to resitst… they dont know the process!
Posted by: NCDem | May 17, 2008, 5:53 pm 5:53 pm
Bill O
well Obama doesnt have to lie he has people do that for him!
Posted by: NCDem | May 17, 2008, 5:54 pm 5:54 pm
Obama has to garnish wages for his Child (only) health care. Because we all know it’s better for the kids no matter how young (say 6mos to 8yrs) don’t need their parents to be in good health. I am sure this is something all the young college are experienced enough to know.
Posted by: irma | May 17, 2008, 5:55 pm 5:55 pm
So Obama pays bloggers to write good things about him? Where’s my paycheck then? I’m getting gypped!
I’m going to choose to assume that the majority of Clinton’s supporters are levelheaded, reasonable people because it sure is hard to find evidence of that on blogs like these. For all of the talk of Obama’s voters being “cultlike”, it’s the Clinton people who becoming ever more desperate and venomous as this primary is reaching its’ inevitable conclusion. I honestly worry about the stability of some of you.
Look, Clinton went into this with every advantage: the promise of being the first female president, the popularity of the Clinton name, a huge warchest of funds, and a MSM that had practically declared her the winner. She even had 200+ superdelegates behind her before the first vote was cast in Iowa. And where is she now? $20 million in debt and losing support by the day.
You guys can rant and rave all you like, but Obama’s beating her fair and square. While Clinton relied upon her “inevitabilty” and made no plan after Super Tuesday, Obama went state by state and built a structure that has forever changed how presidential campaigns are run. Even after it became clear that he was winning, she refused to acknowledge that this nomination wasn’t automatically going to be given to her (Notice the subtle he-can-be-VP talk.) Instead, she kept trying to change the rules, which is what a child does when it refuses to face reality. Her attempts to “re-enfranchise” Michigan and Florida have to be some of the most pathetic actions I’ve ever seen from a candidate. Not only did she agree that those states wouldn’t count, her campaign manager was the ones who drew up those rules in the first place. She even told NPR last fall that Michigan “wasn’t going to matter.” Does anybody honestly think that she’d trying so hard to get them to count if she was the one with Obama’s delegate count?
Hillary Clinton may have never been my first choice, but I would have supported her if she had won a fair race. However, Obama’s ahead by every rule in the book, and as much as you want to meltdown and pout, he’ll be the nominee. In spite of what some people want to believe, no one is “entitled” to the Presidency, and it isn’t determined by whose “turn” it is. If you want to win, you have to do the work and run a smart, efficient campaign. Obama’s done that, and that’s why he wins.
Posted by: Oregon Voter | May 17, 2008, 5:57 pm 5:57 pm
The Obama sparkle has been lost since the MSM finally reported on some of his controversial associations – starting with his crazy old uncle Wright. Too bad this was so late in the primary. Now many voters are having buyers remorse and Obama will lose by a landslide if he is the nominee. Why won’t Obama agree to debate HRC again to prove that he has the debating skills to beat McFlip Flop in the GE? Obama could reach many undecided voters and get a head start on the big numbers he will need for the GE with a strong debate, but still he refuses. Oh well, I’ll get back to my Obama throat cramming now.
Posted by: fairsuperdelegates08 | May 17, 2008, 5:58 pm 5:58 pm
Meanwhile, all Old Man McCain needs to do is sit back and let the Democratic Party self-destruct, under the “leadership” of Madman Dean and the dictatorial DNC. The Republicans already went through the process of getting rid of their best candidates; now it’s the Democrats’ turn. But they’ve waited so long that McCain almost has a “free ride”.
Posted by: Rhys | May 17, 2008, 5:58 pm 5:58 pm
Insiders are reporting that Hillary knows its over and is only staying in now to get enough donations to pay off her debts.
Posted by: Bob, DC | May 17, 2008, 5:59 pm 5:59 pm
People
Please stop with the “Hilary is a courageous woman” delusion!
Does anyone out there really believe that Hilary could get away with her “kitchen sink strategy” against a white American?
Hilary would have been thoroughly abused a long time ago. lol
Aside from the fact that Obama would not lower himself to spar with a fresh female who is as old as his mom, how would America react if a Black man was seen kicking the arse of a white woman? lol
The Clintons’ dumb strategy was to try and goad the wise and principled Obama into attacking a white woman; so that she could cry and win sympathy votes, as Hilary tearfully did in New Hampshire. lol
Of course Obama is too wise to fall for the Clintons cheap tricks.
And so Hilary SEEMS ‘courageous’!
Posted by: Patriot | May 17, 2008, 6:00 pm 6:00 pm
Rezko, trial is almost over, wonder if he will sing the Obama Blues??????
How do you miss two billionaires in a room. You don’t.
How many states are their sweetie????
Yavo Lem , csquan ,And All Thank you for your astute observations. I am a Clinton Supporter and they have been calling for Clinton to drop out since Feb. Obama Knew he would have problems in wv,ky,sd, etc. I admire hillary for moving forward. I will not support Obama . it is Hillary or I will Write Hillary’s name in.
disgruntled florida voter , One way or the other my vote will count.
Posted by: really | May 17, 2008, 6:00 pm 6:00 pm
Yeah, Go Hillary!!!….Go Home-It’s Over, are you blind??? And the guy with all the electoral votes/stats, you must work for Hillary…You seem to know very well how to crunch #’s to make a loser look like a real winner….
OBAMA 08!!!!
Posted by: Melvin | May 17, 2008, 6:02 pm 6:02 pm
NCDem, in “her” favor? You do realize that the DNC has already stated ” If FL and MI have a new caucus and a new vote, those votes will be counted and delegates seated accordingly, If they choose not to do so their votes will not be counted and their delegates will be seated “after” they have a nominee.”…….. This is being sent out to anyone asking about the FL and MI votes……… Hillary cannot “force” the DNC to do anything, regardless of what she thinks.
Posted by: Be ever vigilant | May 17, 2008, 6:05 pm 6:05 pm
Go Hillary 08! Don’t stop fighting.
Obama is unelectable. Watch the supers bet scared when more info surfaces on this phony Obama.
Posted by: BZ | May 17, 2008, 6:05 pm 6:05 pm
I think HIllary was definitely entitled to be our next President. Obama is a young uppity upstart that didn’t wait his turn. Me and my friends will vote for McCain. Arrogant Obama must be punished for what he did to women everywhere. He should never have been running in this race. I wanted a woman President, and it really makes my blood boil that this won’t be happening. Nothing will ever change my mind about punishing Obama. You Obamanuts, you can live with it!
Posted by: Janice | May 17, 2008, 6:05 pm 6:05 pm
NCDem:
Where have you been?? Andrea Mitchell has been very pro-Hillary in her reporting in the past. I think she and “most” everyone else is simply facing reality and knows the end is near.
Posted by: Bob, DC | May 17, 2008, 6:05 pm 6:05 pm
That’s the news folks!
Poor Hillary!
Kind of dull isn’t it?
Let’s move on.
Obama08
Posted by: Thinking | May 17, 2008, 6:05 pm 6:05 pm
Shame on Hillary supporters for personalizing the primary selection.
Posted by: Al Yeaga | May 17, 2008, 6:06 pm 6:06 pm
It’s not a big thing but for last weeks of online Aol Straw Vote each week and Hillary wins each state, and the votes in up hundreds thousands, but it is a good poll. And she is always wins. That is much more that Gallup poll. I think she can win in November.
Posted by: Jay | May 17, 2008, 6:07 pm 6:07 pm
I was once a big Hillary supporter, though many would suspect by demographics, previous voting history and occupation that I’d go for Obama (I’m 21, white, upper class, military). On issues I can’t make large distinctions between them, healthcare and others ideas they seem very close, however, Hillary’s statements on Iran turned me to Obama.
I initially joined the Army in 2004 out of a sense duty to the country, when we were attacked; I had always liked the military, and wanted help when I could. However, it quickly became apparent that this war was about anything but American national security. Each time I see friends deploy, some don’t come back, and what for? Thats why I can’t support Clinton anymore, her presidency means more dead soldiers, this time in Iran.
I’m ready to end the war and maybe move on to some more pressing and important issues that relate to US national security, not Iraqi security.
Posted by: John | May 17, 2008, 6:10 pm 6:10 pm
Funny how the Hillary lovers insist the media is biased to Obama. Why on earth would a pro-Obama media play the “Worst of Rev Wright” non-stop for weeks? They very nearly destroyed him. Also the best thing for media ratings would be a long drawn out battle to the convention. They all admit they want that but the reality is too overwheliming.
Posted by: Bob, DC | May 17, 2008, 6:11 pm 6:11 pm
Hello people, you obviously have missed a lot of the coverage, but ANdrea Mitchell is “totally in the tank for Obama.”
Posted by: irma | May 17, 2008, 6:12 pm 6:12 pm
Yamo Lem,
Math is the key. Your stats show that since April, the superdelegates are leaning towards Obama, not Hillary.
Posted by: MathQueen | May 17, 2008, 6:13 pm 6:13 pm
Oeno We are not going to vote for Obama even if Hillary asks for it. We are going to write her name in on the ballots.
Posted by: libre | May 17, 2008, 6:13 pm 6:13 pm
What you aren’t figuring in your over zealous praise of Hillary, is some of the people that voted for her in February would not do it again if they had a chance. The more she speaks the less you like her. Whatever happened the the gas holiday, Oh that’s right that was just to get the Indiana vote, what a lier she is. She has the integrity of Bush and McBush. Obama was not on the ballot in Michigan. You people for Hillary are in the same fantasy land as the Republicans thinking if you say it, it will be. People of intelligence want a change from the sleazy politics we have now, that change is Obama.
Posted by: Adrienne | May 17, 2008, 6:15 pm 6:15 pm
Just like Bush with the war, Obama lied to the Democrats at the begining of the campaign hiding his allegiance to Rev. Wright and Black theology. That is the only reason he is ahead in the primaries. After we found out he has not win anything but NC in which obviously there was fraud.. Obama is as deceiving and conniving as Bush. Write Hillary on the ballot.
Posted by: libre | May 17, 2008, 6:15 pm 6:15 pm
I’m not afraid of two candidates at the convention, I’m afraid of candidates being rammed down the countries throat when voters obviously are split equally. The campaign Obama-folks have been running since Texas to belittle and push out Hillary is very unflattering too them. She is not going away, because the convention is a debate Obama cannot run from.
Posted by: S. Johnsen | May 17, 2008, 6:15 pm 6:15 pm
I have to wonder about the credibility of the whiners who keep talking about “counting Flordia and Michigan.” Call me bull-headed but I thought America was about democracy and free and fair elections. We have watchedogs that go all around the world looking for elections which are not free and fair. When rules are broken and abnormalities occur in an election, we raise a red flag concerning democracy, because those are not considered free and fair. But here in America we have a bunch of people who chuck democracy aside when it suits them. They want unfair votes to be counted. I say lets don’t count unfair votes. That’s not what America is about.
Posted by: White Male Veteran | May 17, 2008, 6:15 pm 6:15 pm
MCDem, I hope you realize, that the DNC has the final decision, If they nominate Obama, she can try to take it to court, but trust me they are not going to hold up the presidential campaign for her to make a case about DNC rules she agreed to when she signed on to run in the primary. I am sorry for the false information you have been given but she signed and agreed to the conditions of the DNC rules, that included the decision of the DNC for FL and MI. She has not one inch of legal ground to stand on.
Posted by: Be ever vigilant | May 17, 2008, 6:16 pm 6:16 pm
Math is not the key. The Key is Electability, and Obama is unelectable.
Posted by: libre | May 17, 2008, 6:17 pm 6:17 pm
Think Obama’s demographics are that 90% of his supporters are African Americans. Do you really buy that propaganda of the Highly Educated? because it does not add up.
Posted by: libre | May 17, 2008, 6:19 pm 6:19 pm
Hilliary… doing whatever she can to elect John McCain. boy just can’t wait for that bush 3rd term… i’m oozing with enthusiasm… (SNORE!!!)
Posted by: blog | May 17, 2008, 6:21 pm 6:21 pm
yawn. LOL
Posted by: LR | May 17, 2008, 6:22 pm 6:22 pm
Another Clinton delegate defects to Obama:
Council member Jack Evans (D-Ward 2) knows how to party every now and then—and to send a message or two. He threw a big cookout today to kickoff his reelection bid and to give a shoutout to Sen. Barack Obama, who’s been busy lately trying to lock up the Democratic Party presidential nomination. Evans, who had been a supporter of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, followed the march of superdelegates who have begun to close ranks around the junior senator from Illinois. The council member took the stage with Mayor Adrian M. Fenty and Council Chairman Vincent C. Gray in the early afternoon to announce the endorsement. Evans said he switched his support because Ward 2 overwhelmingly voted for Obama in the District primary in February. He said he is most concerned about having a Democratic White House.
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Drip, drip, drip.
Posted by: Bob, DC | May 17, 2008, 6:23 pm 6:23 pm
This is like what YevoLem posted—
The media is spreading the myth that Sen. Obama has already won the Democratic nomination and treating him as such. They are also saying that he would also win against John McCain. This is all propaganda; just like during the invasion of Iraq, remember?
Some people, same talking heads doing the same talk!
Sen. Clinton’s huge win in West Virginia, has national impact. She’s up by 30 points in Nebraska! Florida and Michigan is still unresolved! Considering Sen. Obama has not won even one single major battle-ground state, like Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, Florida, Texas, New York, California, New Jersey, Massachusetts and so on and on, his most wins have come from caucuses, where small groups of zealots (MoveOn.Org people) operating to manipulate them. But that’s not going to help in the general election. You can figure out for yourself, what really matters in the general election and which Democratic candidate is stronger and more electable? If you look at the Electoral College stands as of right now, Clinton vs. Obama.
These are “winner-take-all” electoral votes for each state, general election calculations. Florida and Michigan is not considered.
Clinton 261
Obama 181
Include Florida and Michigan;
Clinton 305
Obama 181
Lets say with Clinton winning Indiana, West Virginia, Kentucky, and Obama winning North Carolina, South Dakota, Oregon (which is too close to call at this time, and Montana, would then be, even without Florida and Michigan:
Clinton 285
Obama 209
Even if you give Indiana, to Obama, the totals would be, still without Florida and Michigan:
Clinton 274
Obama 220
We all know it takes 270 Electoral College votes to win the General Election. This shows which of the Democratic candidates is better able to win in the General Election. Sen. Obama also lacks support among women voters, Reagan Democrats, working class average Americans, Latinos, union members, older Americans and so on. Sen. Clinton would make a much stronger candidate to face Republican John McCain in the general election. African American black voters and city dwellings liberals have never won presidential elections for Democrats. Sen. Obama is too weak to win the presidency for Democrats! Therefore if Sen. Obama is the Democratic nominee, it would be a big mistake! The media is trying hard to anoint Sen. Obama as the democratic nominee, just like the way the people in the media took us over the cliff in Iraq!
Posted by: Yevolem'sfriend | May 17, 2008, 6:24 pm 6:24 pm
SENATOR CLINTON’S SPEACH WAS FANTASTIC! DROVE HOME THE MESSAGE BEAUTIFULLY….
chquan:
YOU ARE A STAR!!! WELL DONE!!!
Million thanks for doing the numbers for all to understand!!!
I totally agree that those “Super Delegates” who have endorsed candidates before time, really should be stripped of their position and replaced by those who will act as intended.
At last someone point out the numbers are they really stack up: (chquan)
Assuming the following victories, based on current polls, with Clinton winning Indiana, West Virginia, Kentucky, and Obama winning North Carolina, South Dakota, Oregon (which is doubtful), and Montana, the totals would then be, still without Florida and Michigan:
Clinton 285
Obama 209
Even with a victory for Obama in Indiana, the totals would be, still without Florida and Michigan:
Clinton 274
Obama 220
Please note that it takes 270 Electoral College votes to win the General Election.
SENATOR CLINTON IS PROVING AMERICA THAT SHE HAS THE STRENGTH AND TENACITY TO FIGHT FOR THE PEOPLE AND WITHSTAND THE STORMS… SHE WILL MAKE A MIGHTY GOOD PRESIDNET.
CLINTON FOR PRESIDENT 2008!!!
Posted by: Retrovvision | May 17, 2008, 6:25 pm 6:25 pm
He didn’t say 57 states, he was guesstimating between fifty and forty-seven, but he dropped out the word 40, then mentioned he didn’t get to Alaska and Hawaii yet. So maybe he should have said… eight. Or maybe he couldn’t remember the name of another state he hasn’t gone to yet. Sleep depravation, yes. 57 states? No way.
Hillary should stay in the race, at least till all the states have voted. Michigan and Florida have already voted, but they’ve been disqualified. Dems the rules, man.
Posted by: Cindy | May 17, 2008, 6:25 pm 6:25 pm
Write Hillary in on the ballots. She will crush Obama. Maybe even defeat McCain if not between Obama or McCain maybe McCain will be the lesser of two evils because Hillary can come back on 2012.
Posted by: libre | May 17, 2008, 6:25 pm 6:25 pm
It’s interesting to see the split amongst the comments here. All the Clinton supporters that claim to be taking the high road and promoting the moral initiative of her running on principles are laughable and are to be dismissed. The ‘little girl’s club” seems predisposed to employ intimidation and insult as weapon of choice. If you disagree with them you are a mysogynist? C ome on, you can do better than that if you are even half as intelligent as you claim to be.
It’s over but for the crying. Funny, the woman who wants us to believe she is the most capable visionary in the country hasn’t figured this out. Some visionary. Some leadership.
Posted by: RABO | May 17, 2008, 6:26 pm 6:26 pm
Here we go again, stupid American Voters, defending who they will vote for, which will of course be the wrong choice(s), (Obama, McCain). The biased Media, swaying the undecided voter to support one of these two unproven self interest politicians. The U.S. is headed in the same direction with these two as with the Bush Administration, a disaster, the rich get richer, the poor and middle class move two steps forward three steps back. Obama has the support of who he has because of the wrong reasons and lies, and if he is nominated and elected, the middle class will be worse off, He is interested in himself and those he thinks deserve to prosper. McCain will be 4 more years of Bush Like administration, a bunch of fiascos. All Middle Class and poor, remember who is fighting for you, If the wrong person gets elected, you will remember “I told you so” and we will continue to struggle, listen to the candidates carefully, what they are saying, not what color their skin is or what they look like or why your friend or neighbor’s reason for voting or for whom, or the media or what the polls show, LISTEN….And vote for moving in the right direction….
Posted by: Whatever, | May 17, 2008, 6:26 pm 6:26 pm
Where is Michelle Obama, and what does she hate about America today?
Posted by: libre | May 17, 2008, 6:27 pm 6:27 pm
NCDem is living on some other planet.
I’m sorry but Hillary has lost the primary. She gave it a good run but to be honest, she blew it because she poorly managed her campaign.
Hillary will not be running as an independent because she is a dedicated Democrat unlike too many people posting on this thread. Those of you who will end up voting for McCain insult everything Hillary is about.
Hillary will endorse and campaign for Obama because she is very intelligent and understands McCain being elected will be a disaster. You fair-weather Democrats should take note of that.
We have to come together as one and defeat McCain at all costs.
Posted by: Oeno | May 17, 2008, 6:27 pm 6:27 pm
Libre and MARKO, Wow!
Posted by: irma | May 17, 2008, 6:27 pm 6:27 pm
kim, my goodness gracious what an outstanding post. Lengthy but every word and thought a treasure of insightfulness.
I have posted it on my site so it won’t get lost. Google some unique phrases from it and you should see it show up in a day or so.
I can only say that you express my thoughts far better than I could.
Hillary ’08
Posted by: rd | May 17, 2008, 6:30 pm 6:30 pm
waste of money and time
Posted by: PDC | May 17, 2008, 6:32 pm 6:32 pm
The door is closing on Hillary and I have no sympathy. She claimed the nomination before the voting even started. She thought she was entitled to it. She ran a terrible negative campaign. America voted and said they do not want her or her pathetic husband back in the WH. They want Barack Obama. Hillary and her minions need to face reality. It’s over.
Posted by: Bob, DC | May 17, 2008, 6:33 pm 6:33 pm
The problem with Ms Clinton was not her gender, it was her ugly negative style of politics.
Posted by: Bob, DC | May 17, 2008, 6:34 pm 6:34 pm
Wrong Pam; Ted was going to support him from the beginning. He used politics as his pretentious “noble” reasons for supporting him. However, Ted was backing and campaigning for KILPATRIK. Name ring a bell. “Don’t tell me words don’t matter.” He also campaigned and pushed for Kerry. I know because I worked for Kerry’s campaign.
Posted by: irma | May 17, 2008, 6:35 pm 6:35 pm
Oeno writes:
“So what are you Clinton supporters going to do when she comes out in support of Obama?”
Do you mean before or after we collectively throw up?
Posted by: Marko | May 17, 2008, 6:37 pm 6:37 pm
FYI:
As of today 10 of Edwards’ 18 delegates have declared for Obama. Six are undecided, 2 unnamed (Iowa) and 0 for Clinton. Clinton supporters take note. It’s over!!!
Posted by: Bob, DC | May 17, 2008, 6:38 pm 6:38 pm
NCDem, I am not a Obama supporter, I have only stated my opinion and the truth yet because I don’t agree with you, You tell me to go away. seems to me it isn’t me with the problem, and this for now at least is a free country and I can voice my opinion, so do not tell me where I can or cannot do so.
Posted by: Be ever vigilant | May 17, 2008, 6:43 pm 6:43 pm
I suspect NCDem is actually a “Limbaugh Democrat”. Even a bitter, delusional Hillary supporter couldn’t be that ignorant.
Posted by: Bob, DC | May 17, 2008, 6:45 pm 6:45 pm
Bob,
Please stay. You are clearly an intelligent and thoughtful person. Something that I cannot say about NCDem or Irma.
I for one appreciate your posts.
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Thanks GoBob! We seem to have alot in common :)
Posted by: Bob, DC | May 17, 2008, 6:47 pm 6:47 pm
Why must Obama lose?
His gaff, the USA is made up of 57 states; has got to be the worst of the worst (beating G. W. Bush on all of his gaffs combined).
Note how often Obama struggles for words and compare with his 57 states gaff. If you make the connection, Obama very often does not have a clue what he is talking about. (note how often he struggles for words, ideas and a train of thought. He is to young for the job and far to inexperienced)
Why hasn’t the media picked up on the?
Posted by: ted | May 17, 2008, 6:48 pm 6:48 pm
I just don’t see the math for Mr. Obama. Nor at this point do i see it for Hillary Clinton. African Americans would not fall in behind Hillary. If you believe Al Sharpton there would be riots in the streets. College students like to be wooed by slick talkers, they all seem to think that a good constructive conversation with Iran will have us all roasting weenies over a camp fire with the ruling counsel. A lot of the democratic core just aren’t going to be able to back somebody with the baggage this guy has. I want a military guy in office right now. We are going to have to make some very serious military type decisions here in the near future. We need somebody in office that can do that kind of thing by the seat of his pants. We are in a war and a cold war folks. It’s very serious and people out there want to hurt you and your families. This is going to be a very tough time. Even though i am a steadfast democrat, i’m also a patriot having served in Vietnam. We meed a proven real live American hero for the next few years to get us back on course again. We don’t need the far left loons turning the White House into a fun house.
Posted by: James France | May 17, 2008, 6:51 pm 6:51 pm
Hillary Clinton supporters are as crazy as her! Reading their comments is funny as hell. I wonder what dimension Clintonland is.
Posted by: concerned mother | May 17, 2008, 6:53 pm 6:53 pm
Hillary’s claim to lead in the popular vote is bogus. She not only counts Florida but she is counting Michigan. Obama’s name wasn’t even on the ballot in Michigan. She also isn’t counting the caucus states. So accord to the Clinton campaign two states that broke the rules count but the caucus states that didn’t break the rules don’t count. Do we really want someone who twists facts like this to be president. Haven’t we learned from Bush and his weapons of mass destruction.
Posted by: wlw100 | May 17, 2008, 6:53 pm 6:53 pm
tomay,
Obama is driven by the similar motives as Edwards. He wants all Amnericans, regardless of income status to matter.
I’ve always faired better than most, but I like Obama because he only applies bootstrap ideology to a fair limit. I know that God is merciful and doesn’t ascribe to the bootstrap ideology, either. When only the strong survive, we all fail because we’ve missed an opportunity to help others achieve what we have.
Obama ’08
Posted by: Fair | May 17, 2008, 6:54 pm 6:54 pm
Lets try and put this in terms everyone can understand. You take a job with a company, when they hire you they make you sign a set of rules and guidelines, you work for them for a year and decide “I don’t like this rule, even though I agreed to it when they hired me, SO I am going to take them to court and make them change it.” When you sign a policy statement or a rules agreement form you are bound by those rules for the entire time you are employed by that company. The same applies for Clinton and Obama, they both read and signed the rules and policies statement for the DNC, they are bound by those rules and policies as long as they continue to campaign in the primary. I am sorry if those rules no longer benefit Clinton, but rules are rules and we have them for a reason.
Posted by: Be ever vigilant | May 17, 2008, 6:54 pm 6:54 pm
Beri,
In this day and age, to forgive an unrepentant spouse is the same thing as giving up your children’s future. God does not forgive wickedness, so why should we? God doesn’t make me lesser, defending evilness would, though.
Obama ’08!
Posted by: Mama | May 17, 2008, 6:57 pm 6:57 pm
A friend of mine lives in FL & did not vote in the primary b/c she said her vote would not count. It’s ludicrous to say that Clinton won the popular vote. The math don’t work & the super delegates are moving to Obama.
Posted by: Este | May 17, 2008, 6:57 pm 6:57 pm
Why should she quit? She’s leading the popular vote, she leads in delegates and she leads in super delegates. And, this just in, Obama’s name won’t be on the remaining ballots. So, there’s no stopping her!
Posted by: Stephen (Seattle, WA) | May 17, 2008, 6:59 pm 6:59 pm
Ted: I liked your post, but I think you left out a couple of hundred Obama lies. Now that I think of it, you probably didn’t want to hog the whole blog. It was very courteous of you.
GO HOME OBAMA
HILLARY 08
Posted by: Emily | May 17, 2008, 7:05 pm 7:05 pm
Hillary will never give up! The pundits and talking heads are WRONG and have been WRONG since after IOWA! What they are ignoring is that we know more about Obama now and we don’t like what we see and hear! The Republicans know even more about him and they are going to swiftboat him to oblivion!! Good BYE BO
Posted by: politicalgirl | May 17, 2008, 7:05 pm 7:05 pm
Este said: A friend of mine lives in FL & did not vote in the primary b/c she said her vote would not count. It’s ludicrous to say that Clinton won the popular vote. The math don’t work & the super delegates are moving to Obama.
WELL, GEE, ESTE, IF YOUR FRIEND DIDN’T VOTE, THEN I GUESS THE ONLY FAIR THING TO DO IS TO DISENFRANCHISE THE 1.7 MILLION VOTERS WHO DID, RIGHT?
Posted by: Ruth | May 17, 2008, 7:06 pm 7:06 pm
Sick, thanks for your sympathy, but I know the process quite well and I am very involved in it. I have been a Democratic Volunteer all my life, but that will change soon if this injustice in coverage and DNC bias does not end. I am all HILLARY ALL THE WAY!
Posted by: irma | May 17, 2008, 7:07 pm 7:07 pm
Hillary was never the best female Presidential candidate. The only reason she had a chance was because of her name. Why do some women think Hilary represents some big breakthrough for women when in fact she would only be there because of her husband? Seems to totally undermine the feminist cause.
Posted by: Bob, DC | May 17, 2008, 7:09 pm 7:09 pm
What is this Emily chick talking about? I don’t think people are paid to blog for Obama on these sites. I do know why Hillary Clinton is in debt though..”Street money”. She paid people of certain ethnic groups to knock on doors and hand out literature, This was to make it appear that certain ethnoic groups supported her. She also paid for votes in PA. At least Obama was above that practice so In my eyes he EARNED his votes.
Posted by: Lene' | May 17, 2008, 7:10 pm 7:10 pm
If Hillary Clinton is winning, how come Barrack Obama has more delegates? How come she’s 20 million dollars in debt and he isn’t?
Posted by: CC | May 17, 2008, 7:11 pm 7:11 pm
It’s a media way to make people think it’s over, some of us know that. Keep going Hillary with Obama’s age, race, gender commentary, people will inevitably get tired of him and learn he’s the “typical” cause of discrimination in our country.
Posted by: CLM | May 17, 2008, 7:19 pm 7:19 pm
SO FAR, HILLARY IS NOT STANDING GOOD IN ANY SITUATION. THE ONLY VOTERS SHE HAS ARE WOMEN AND THAT IS NOT ENOUGH. MAYBE ITS TIME TO SAY BYE BYE.
Posted by: BOBSTER | May 17, 2008, 7:20 pm 7:20 pm
Sorry….one more thing. I also want to know about the Global Poverty tax bill that Obama is sponsoring in the Senate to impose on America that increases our contribution to underdeveloped nations by 300%….and to which areas of the world it is directed…and
Posted by: PGHPAVOTER | May 17, 2008, 7:24 pm 7:24 pm
Keep fighting for Hillary but if she doesn’t get the nomination a write in for her is a vote for Obama. If you want to assure Obama does not make it to the White
House the vote needs to go to McCain. This is distasteful but if you look at Obama’s voting record you will see he has voted with the Republicans more often than not. A protest vote for McCain will send a loud and clear message.
Posted by: Judy | May 17, 2008, 7:27 pm 7:27 pm
Soon both Hillary and Bill will be endorsing and supporting Barack Obama. Most of her supporters will follow suit. McCain is not an option for real Democrats.
Posted by: Bob, DC | May 17, 2008, 7:28 pm 7:28 pm
GO HILLARY!
She’s a good representative for all women of this country….
And she is absolutely right to tell the media for going against her…The media seems have been paid to put her down in every aspect.
Is very obvious that many people in this country are not ready for a woman president…
In South Anerica there are two woman presidents and are doing very well.
GO HILLARY!
Posted by: Ara | May 17, 2008, 7:31 pm 7:31 pm
Judy said: Keep fighting for Hillary but if she doesn’t get the nomination a write in for her is a vote for Obama. If you want to assure Obama does not make it to the White House the vote needs to go to McCain.
JUDY, VERY GOOD ADVICE. Above all, we must work to assure that Obama DOES NOT become the nominee, or if he does, that he does not become President. Our families and our country depend upon it.
Posted by: Cheryl | May 17, 2008, 7:31 pm 7:31 pm
I really find it funny that Fox is the only media outlet that has been fair to Hillary.
Posted by: boulderhippie2 | May 17, 2008, 7:31 pm 7:31 pm
It looks like Obama and his campaign will conceded that they have a “majority of the pledged delegate votes” by Wed. after the Kentucky and Oregon primaries. He’s circumventing the election because he won’t end up with the 2026 delegate votes, like Clinton, on June 3. Anyway, in he’ll be claiming his victory or majority votes on “pledged” Caucus delegates who are supposed to represent their candidate at the convention, but whose vote can be changed at the final delegate voting. I’m concerned there will be no questions from the media on his tactic, and that the DNC will not step in to challenge the manipulation.
Posted by: katrina | May 17, 2008, 7:31 pm 7:31 pm
Hey Ara,
I like that idea. Maybe we should move Hillary to South America! It could work.
Posted by: Next Move | May 17, 2008, 7:34 pm 7:34 pm
Just admit it, Hillary ran her campaign as if she was entitled, God bless her it didn’t work. Obama as a freshman senator out smarted her, raised more money because he had to, and surrounded himself with much better staff. After 35 years of experience & world wide recognition she couldn’t adjust, is losing fair & square. God let’s unite & move on.
Posted by: jAY | May 17, 2008, 7:35 pm 7:35 pm
Jimmy Carter was on Tavis Smiley about a week ago. He discussed the possiblility of a SD decision. Check it out people.
Posted by: irma | May 17, 2008, 7:36 pm 7:36 pm
People, pleeasse face the facts and the reality of this situation: Clinton LOST, Obama WON. This is over; and if you choose to vote for McCain because of it, then you deserve everything you would have coming to you as a result – Hillary Clinton mustered similar thoughts herslef.
Posted by: Andy R. | May 17, 2008, 7:38 pm 7:38 pm
I CAN’T WAIT THE DAY OBAMA AND McCAIN HIT IT OFF. EVERYBODY WILL REALIZE HOW WEAK IS McCAIN. McCAIN IS AFRAID TO GO EVEN AGAINST HILLARY, ALTOUGH SHE IS OUT, HE IS STILL AFRAID, BECAUSE DEMOCRATS HAVE WON THE SEATS BECAUSE OF WEAK AND FAKE REPUBICANS LIKE HIM. IF HE IS ANY GOOD FOR US, HE WOULD BE PRESIDENT 8 YEARS AGO, NOT BUSH.
Posted by: BOBSTER | May 17, 2008, 7:39 pm 7:39 pm
Jay, it’s the People and their voice, not the elected delegates. In any case, the SD’s have to step in to save the party if a candidate doesn’t seem to have what it takes to really win. There are ardent supporters on both sides. It’s even. Especially if you subtract the mischievious Republicans once they go back to McCinile.
Posted by: irma | May 17, 2008, 7:41 pm 7:41 pm
The write-in vote for Hillary will probably be about the same as the anti-McCain Bob Barr vote. Nice balance and similar mentality. Obama wins.
Posted by: Bob, DC | May 17, 2008, 7:41 pm 7:41 pm
It is startling to come to the realization that so many of the Barack Obama “haters”, of all creeds and colors want Barack to appologize for being black, or perhaps be “white” in order to win the Presidency. It is so shameful to watch racism take place right before my eyes. And the worst of it is that most of you do this with a straight face – creating all the “other” reasons why you won’t vote for him. Guess what – Hillary Clinton will vote for Barack Obama in the General Election – HELLO!!!!!
Posted by: Andy R | May 17, 2008, 7:41 pm 7:41 pm
Hillary who? Is she still in the race? Correct if i’m wrong, but Obama and McCain started their general election campaigns this week!!!
Posted by: Dale | May 17, 2008, 7:42 pm 7:42 pm
Half the dems do not want Hillary. Half do not want Barack. It is us to the delegates to settle on someone that all can support. Al?
Posted by: Silmarel | May 17, 2008, 7:43 pm 7:43 pm
Hillary’s right…she represents all Americans and the TV people don’t call this election nor do Obama fanatics who yell and scream for her to quit. Obama’s supporters have been getting highly incensed that Hillary has the audacity to keep running. How dare she run, they say. Obama’s won more states. But here’s the rub: what states?…red states, states that will not go Democratic. Hillary has won the blue states and the swing states even when he outspent her 3 and 4 to 1. That says it all. Hillary is more electable!
Posted by: Two-cats | May 17, 2008, 7:46 pm 7:46 pm
Sally, I am with you. Stop Obama because he is ripping this off from US, the people. The long time Democrats who supported this party. Kennedy has been behind this from the start. I won’t get into the long story, but I will NOT support or play a role in the injustice being done to HILLARY. However I will not vote Republican, but that’s just me, vote how you like. I will write in Hillary if she is not the nominee in bright florescent marker across the entire ballot if I have to.
Posted by: irma | May 17, 2008, 7:48 pm 7:48 pm
What you people fail to realize is that the primaries have been head to head between Clinton and Obama.
When all is said and done and Obama becomes the nominee, who is to say that he cannot beat McCain in the states that he lost to Clinton. Remember, its all about the delegates.
Posted by: Rich | May 17, 2008, 7:49 pm 7:49 pm
Yes Hillary is more electable. I have elected her to be first in line at the bankrupcy court.
Go Hill Go!
Send money people. We are deep in the red.
Three more weeks!
Posted by: Electable | May 17, 2008, 7:49 pm 7:49 pm
I wish the “dirt” on OBAMA would be released NOW. So we have a two choices in NOVEMBER. WE HAVE A RIGHT to know. YES, OLBERAMANN and MATTHEWS, you are a disgrace to your field.
Posted by: mj | May 17, 2008, 7:50 pm 7:50 pm
McCain is not a centrist Republican or a liberal in any sense. Look at his voting record and his actual positions, not what he says. A vote for McCain is a vote for everything Hillary stands against.
Posted by: Blue Blood | May 17, 2008, 7:51 pm 7:51 pm
Hillary is in this to the end there are many of us who will vote for Hillary she will become the 44 President on NOV 4th 2008 we also have husbands boyfriends sons daughters, and on a con..call yesterday Hillary said she is a head in the pop’ vote .And we are going to the floor. Hillary Rodham Clinton is far above the most smart, kind, giving, full of hope for people not about to give up this close race .
Posted by: Bishop | May 17, 2008, 7:52 pm 7:52 pm
It si not what should, it is what they can do. at the convention super delegates and supe-super delegates can decide the nomination on electability
Posted by: libre | May 17, 2008, 7:53 pm 7:53 pm
DC is right; but the candidate is going to have to be someone everyone can support and that is neither Hillary, nor Barack. Probably Al.
Posted by: Silmarel | May 17, 2008, 7:54 pm 7:54 pm
Hillary’s supporters will never blindly fall into line. We want to know what she gets out of having brought 17 million people out to vote??? It’s all about the deal now. And no-Bo voting until that part is decided. Women are not as passive as we used to be.
Posted by: LonghornMama | May 17, 2008, 7:58 pm 7:58 pm
Obama has more pledged delegates and super-delegates have been endorsing Obama 5 to 1 over Clinton since super-tuesday. Where does Hillary find supporters silly enough to care about the popular vote when it means nothing at all
a high school education should be enough to know you cant take the results of closed primaries and use them in any manner to predict the general election.
Posted by: MicMacarac | May 17, 2008, 8:00 pm 8:00 pm
factsnotpundits said: It is Hillary’s right to campaign as long as she feels necessary, but hopefully her supporters will realize that it makes more sense to support Obama,
NEVER. We know too much about Obama, we’ve sustained too many attacks from his cult-like supporters, and we’ve had enough.
Hillary; first choice
McCain; second choice
Racist Obama — NEVER.
Posted by: Emily | May 17, 2008, 8:01 pm 8:01 pm
I think Pelosi wants the party to lose in November to stay the most powerful Democrat. There is no other reason she support’s Obama, she knows he is unelectable.
Posted by: libre | May 17, 2008, 8:01 pm 8:01 pm
LMAO wrote “Hillary, go home!” I agree with him/her. I guess she used to live in the White House so she should definitely GO BACK HOME to the White House! Don’t give up, Hillary! Continue the fight on behalf of all the millions of Americans who are supporting you.
Posted by: WhiteHouse | May 17, 2008, 8:02 pm 8:02 pm
Hey look at all the people that voted for bush, twice no less. I didn’t think you can be more moronic, but look at the Dem’s out voting for a loser after she has already lost.
Don’t feel so bad re-pubs, we have are dummies, too.
Posted by: Gary | May 17, 2008, 8:02 pm 8:02 pm
Sally, your comments are RIGHT ON TARGET!
Posted by: irma | May 17, 2008, 8:04 pm 8:04 pm
how dare anyone take away Hillary’s right to be President. Of course she figures as usual rules do not apply to her. Why not just say she already has enough to win and its over since rules don’t matter.
Posted by: autopt | May 17, 2008, 8:07 pm 8:07 pm
I believe it might still be all about the electoral map. You forget so many of those corrupt caucuses (in Texas anyway) that gave Mr. Obama such a pop in pledged delegates are red states with no opportunity to flip this November. Someone with some sense better go back to counting the states that will matter this Fall.
Posted by: LonghornMama | May 17, 2008, 8:07 pm 8:07 pm
Sue P., It is vitriolic rhetoric like yours that nauseate Hillary’s people and make them utterly determined not to vote for Obama. Keep it up and you’ll run off every possible Hillary supporter who would otherwise consider voting for Obama if he is the nominee! Not only do we disagree with you, we feel Obama has a few negatives of his own which could easily cost him the election!
Posted by: Two-cats | May 17, 2008, 8:08 pm 8:08 pm
So…how soon until we see Michelle Obama speaking from the pulpit of TUCC? I hear she had some choice points of view. Also…why is it impossible to get copies of the church’s magazine….The Trumpet..in which Obama either appeared on the cover or was quoted in an article?
Posted by: PGHPAVOTER | May 17, 2008, 8:10 pm 8:10 pm
The story of the 11-year old who sold his own possessions to donate to Hillary’s campaign is just one of many stories of heroic people who want someone in the Oval Office who represents them!! Like the 88-year-old woman in a hospice who sat up in bed long enough to sign her absentee ballot. It was all she wanted to do. The DNC has made it very, very clear. A man with little experience is better in their view that a woman who has a world of experience. Duly noted guys. See you in November!
Posted by: LonghornMama | May 17, 2008, 8:13 pm 8:13 pm
s4bo…..Hello!!! Obama approved the Michigan offer they presented to the DNC… since it was REJECTED by Hillary the committee has to approve it. You see she only wants Michigan to count if only she gets all the votes. She thinks because he played fair and removed his name HE should be penalized and not her.
Posted by: butterfly3344 | May 17, 2008, 8:14 pm 8:14 pm
Some of you are so funny and possibly don’t have much of a life judging from these comments. Stop the wining and just let your vote count whether it is Hillary, John, or Obama.
Posted by: Deb | May 17, 2008, 8:14 pm 8:14 pm
To Ex-Democrat KIM;
You need to do some research before making comments such as,”Obama was the reason Fla.& MI didn’t vote”. Your Gov chose to violate the rules when all he had to do is obey the rules. Democrats say the Republicans are disloyal and deceitful, but now all the blame for you guys not voting are targeted at Obama, why haven’t FLA & MI asked these questions of their own politicians?
Posted by: ms j | May 17, 2008, 8:15 pm 8:15 pm
If Obama is the nominee and you don’t feel comfortable voting for McCain, then you may consider still going to the voting booth and write down Hillary’s name on the ballot, you would feel that you voted for her which must be better than sitting at home and do nothing. Of course, to ensure Obama failure, I’d suggest we all vote for McCain. Hillary should have another good shot in 2012. I just can’t stand that cocky guy. I always get sick when I hear his voice, especially when he “uh, uh..”, gosh, that kills me – why? it is mainly because he is too cocky as someone he’s not yet, and the competition hasn’t been fair at all throughout.
Posted by: dragon | May 17, 2008, 8:16 pm 8:16 pm
Yes Obama wants to receive votes from Michigan even if the people did not voted for him. He shows his corruption as the worst kind of politician all the time.
Posted by: libre | May 17, 2008, 8:16 pm 8:16 pm
IDI He is not getting many votes. He did before we knew about all his lies. You represent exactly what Democrats will not vote for Obama.Obama got offended, outraged, in disbelief and says that he is against Wright’s views. He still has not explained why now and not during twenty years that he listen to the same things every Sunday, Why now and not three months ago when the public got offended by Wright’s comments, Why now he is not defending his Spiritual advisor? I do not buy the charade of Obama and Wright fallout. Obama still thinks like Wright. He is still thinking that American voters are fools and is trying to sell this “upset” Obama after twenty years. He is an old style politician and an opportunistic deceiver.
Posted by: libre | May 17, 2008, 8:19 pm 8:19 pm
Thank you Didn’t get it; I saw an opportunity to point out that RFK JR is the Green Guy and Hillary has the best energy plan which coincideds with the best economic plan. I wasn’t serious about the Green Party, which is why I said she will be loyal to the DEMS. I did not realize it was a jerk who posted, I thought it was an innocent suggestion from a direct honest person. Going back I see the sarchasm so i’ll read more carefully. I am glad I made you laugh….
Posted by: irma | May 17, 2008, 8:20 pm 8:20 pm
After reading all the comments here it is painfully obvious that not only is Hillary bad at math, but so are all her supporters. Not to worry. Thankfully Obama supporters are not only better at math but also are not sore loosers. Should Hillary some how pull off a miracle and steal the nomination. We will be disappointed for sure, but I believe most of us if not all of us would support Hillary just to defeat McCain!
Posted by: IndieVisible | May 17, 2008, 8:21 pm 8:21 pm
If Obama gets the nomination because the hierarchy at the party wnats to lose the WH, write Hillary in on the ballots. Obama will be crushed.
Posted by: libre | May 17, 2008, 8:22 pm 8:22 pm
Kim…You have stated all of the thoughts that I have myself. I thought your letter was fantastic. You put it into words better than I could have. I have been for Hillary from the start and I will never give up on her. She deserves this so much more than the other two candidates. She will be a dynamite President. It’s awful what the media is doing. I too am so fed up with it. The DNC is only wants Obama to win. That is so obvious. I have also switched to Fox. A lot of the corruption that Obama is involved in in Chicago has never been reported on CNN or MSNBC news. If ABC and the Chicago Times and Chicago Tribune didn’t inform us we wouldn’t know about a lot of the things that he is into.
IU too have had many problems posting on CNN and MSNBC because I am obviously for Hillary. Obama vote for the Chaney bill on energy. Hillary voted against it. GE owns MSNBC. This is one of the reasons they are in the tank for Obama. He is so inexperienced and like Bush he is out to fill his own pockets and the heck with the American people. I found too, that in 2000 Obama voted for the state of Illinois to have a gas tax holiday. That’s the very same thing that he criticized Hillary for just before the West Virginia vote. I was so proud of West Virginia for the landslide they gave Hillary. Show me that so far they are way smarter than most of the nation. They have good common sense. You had to be on the other side of the world to not realize how much Bill Clinton did for this country as President. He left the office of President with a surplus and our economy was strong. The economy is the main issue now as we all know. Why would these voters put promises ahead of someone that is proven??? We do know that the Clinton’s love this country and that they are fair and just to every color, race and creed. That is what a President should be. Thank you so much for caring about this great country and for putting into words that I am sure I could not equal. Writing is not my strong suit. The Clinton’ only want what is best for this country. That’s what I want too. Isn’t that what every American wants. I have posted on here before and another poster comes on and uses my name and say they are apologizing for being prejudice and that I really want Obama. They will stoop to anything. These are people on the blogs hired by Obama to discount everything we say to make people think that he has so many supporters. They don’t want people to go to the polls for Hillary. They want them to believe that the race is over. It isn’t. I live in Florida and I am so mad that I want to win and they won’t count our votes. This is completely unjust and we are furious about it.
Posted by: carolyn | May 17, 2008, 8:22 pm 8:22 pm
Hillary can win, Obama cannot. End of story.
Posted by: Taneka Z. | May 17, 2008, 8:25 pm 8:25 pm
Maryland not only Obama looks down on small town people but also his supporters. He made the bitter comment pandering to millionaires for funds and because he was upset that people in Pennsylvania did not buy his lies.
Posted by: libre | May 17, 2008, 8:25 pm 8:25 pm
No, no. Let’s look at the votes. When Obama won the last primary it was really Backwards Day, meaning Hillary won those delegates, right?
Posted by: Acemon | May 17, 2008, 8:25 pm 8:25 pm
ABC is supporting Obama and pushing him from the begining, but you will see how it turns in fvor of the Republicans. That was the idea all along, the knew if Obama is the Democrat nominee, McCain will win in November. Unless… Hillary runs as Independent.
Posted by: libre | May 17, 2008, 8:29 pm 8:29 pm
Greta, great post, I am also not a Obama or Clinton supporter, I only want my oldest son home from Iraq, I want a better education for my youngest son, it doesn’t really matter to me who as long as we have a decent candidate to vote for in Nov. trying to make people understand that and get them to understand the finer points of the DNC is a disaster. They only want to argue. Yes I have concerns about Clinton only because of past experience.
Posted by: Be ever vigilant | May 17, 2008, 8:29 pm 8:29 pm
Kim–
It was worth reading so many inane posts to finally get to one that has real substance. Thank you for your post. To see reseach backing words not spoken with uncalled for invectives is certainly rare and most welcomed.
Go, Hillary!!!
Posted by: Shirley | May 17, 2008, 8:32 pm 8:32 pm
Reading this blog is so sad. To claim Obama broke the rules is wrong. Bill Clinton just today told Hillary’s supporters to accept whatever happens and vote for the dem candidate regardless of who it is. Please let the Clintons remove themselves with dignity and quit making it out like she was robbed. Even the Clintons know it is fair. Her campaign wasn’t as organized or strong as Obama’s.
If he runs the country like he has run this campaign we will be ok.
Bill Clinton said the first time he run:
If one candidate is trying to scare you and one candidate is offering you hope. You better go with the HOPE. I am going with the “Hope” and I would like you to join me.
Posted by: butterfly3344 | May 17, 2008, 8:36 pm 8:36 pm
Hillary is the most irrational and inept candidate for President in history. The only reason she’s up there is because she’s a woman.
Posted by: wowee | May 17, 2008, 8:40 pm 8:40 pm
The new math equal = the winner is not electable while the looser is. An extreme desire for power blinds people.
Posted by: Paul | May 17, 2008, 8:41 pm 8:41 pm
Go Hillary!!! Without a doubt the smartest candidate in the race. Please, give us back our country… Give back to the world our country’s light.
Posted by: Henry & Collette - Pennsylvania | May 17, 2008, 8:43 pm 8:43 pm
I guarantee you, if Clinton doesn’t win, I’m not voting, no point, in Pa, a write in vote goes to the democratic candidate, and we are going towards a “brokered convention” anyway. They want “the chosen one” to win. With the superdelegates voting out of fear then it goes to Obama, and they are going the way of the mass media. I am telling you Clinton is our only hope to save this country. WHY would anybody want Obama to be president other than it’s the “cool” thing to do? I want a REAL leader.
Posted by: Susan Powers | May 17, 2008, 8:43 pm 8:43 pm
Come on people the Obama ride is going to end in a train wreck. We are not voteing for the American Idol. Our country is at stake. If you want change vote for someone that knows what they are doing that would be a real change.
Hillary the right person for the job of president.
Go Hillary!
Posted by: slokipoki | May 17, 2008, 8:48 pm 8:48 pm
This is sooooo said! We talk about coming together as a people with one voice. Yet, we allow two candidates’ to divide us. The bottom line is that both Obama and Clinton have some unsavoring past to contend with. Both have at one time or another stretch the truth. Both are offering the same package because that package is approved by the democratic party. How often have they (Obama & Clinton) promised us the people, so much….We the people already knowing that they will be unable to grant it all. Yes, I am an Obama supporter….But, I am not blind to the fact that his promises are as much the same as Clinton. So, yes I would vote for Clinton if Obama were to lose out. They are both from the democratic party and whoever wins the nomination will be backed by the democratic party. One canidate is no different than the other. It is us who fail to reconize this. Therefore, dividing ourselves, in order to give the republicans an opportunity to be in office once again.
Posted by: C.L.C. | May 17, 2008, 8:50 pm 8:50 pm
With a few game to go in the season, Obama is 32 and 16, Hillary is 16 and 32. This is so over. Get behind Barrack. He’d do the same for Hillary if she had won.
Posted by: Mike | May 17, 2008, 8:50 pm 8:50 pm
Edith-
Great story. I am glad that you posted that because it is a testament to Mr. Obama and his beliefs, capability, power, intelligence, audacity, self-worth, skill, desire, tenacity, fight, boldness, daringness, confidence, aplomb and conviction.
Mr. Obama is a gallant leader and for once this county will be able to have its leader sit at the world table- knowing that America is accurately represented!
Posted by: T Ross | May 17, 2008, 8:51 pm 8:51 pm
Oh, the irony… the delicious irony!
Posted by: Jeffe | May 17, 2008, 8:56 pm 8:56 pm
The Nevada convention 5/17/08 in Reno disenfranchised about 120 alternate delegates. We were seated in a room separate from the delegates, and even though only 75% of delegate seats were filled, a count was taken, and results tallied without seating alternate delegates.
Posted by: ramona | May 17, 2008, 8:57 pm 8:57 pm
Nancy Pelosi is the most powerful woman in Washington, third in line for the presidency. She’s uber liberal just like John Kerry and Barack Obama. She is also extremely narrow-minded. After being elected speaker, Jane Harman who was previously the ranking member of the House Intelligence Cmte would have become Chairperson of that committee. But Nancy Pelosi held a grudge from prior experience, so Ms. Harman was bypassed.
Steny Hoyer had been the Minority Whip and was in line to be the Majority Leader after Democrats took back the House after 2006 Midterm elections. But Nancy Pelosi did not like Steny Hoyer either even though Mr. Hoyer had been a very effective leader. She tried to make John Murtha the Majority Leader by encouraging Murtha to challenge Hoyer. But Hoyer prevailed.
Nancy Pelosi has done nothing since the Midterm Elections of any substance. But she did manage to use taxpayer money leading a delegation to India to express her solidarity with the Dalai Lama after Tibetans rioted in Lhasa burning down dozens of stores (with scores of Chinese burned or stabbed to death by ethnic Tibetans). Did she ever think about her fellow Americans who were paying for close to $4 a gallon gas???
Nancy Pelosi, John Kerry, Edward Kennedy and the gang never liked the Clintons because the Clintons refused to play games with them. The Clintons went to Washington to make the government more accountable to the PEOPLE of the United States. But the gang wanted the Clintons to be accountable to THEM. That’s why they have always held contempt for the Clintons. Bill and Hillary Clinton were naive in a way because they thought they needed to balance the federal budget, reform the welfare system by making it easier for welfare recipients to work for a living and raise taxes only as a last resort. The Clintons refused to tax and spend or borrow and spend.
Bill Clinton also signed the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) because the bill had passed both the House and the Senate veto-proof. Before the Calif. High Court handed down the decision, Mr. Obama had said he would repeal the DOMA. Hillary said she would not force a State to recognize gay marriages from another State (the DOMA allows a State to refuse such recognition).
Anyway, the Democratic Party Establishment never welcomed the Clintons. They are now only showing their true colors. Of course, the Clintons accomplished what no other Democrat has been able to since FDR, which is winning two presidential elections. The Clintons are too centrist for the Establishment. The question is: is the country ready to elect a uber liberal their 44th president?
Mr. Obama was No. 1 most liberal U.S. Senator (OUT OF 100) in 2007, more so than Bernie Sanders, who himself is a self-claimed socialist.
Posted by: Brent | May 17, 2008, 9:03 pm 9:03 pm
She’s a freak. The Clintons need to go away.
Posted by: Jeff | May 17, 2008, 9:04 pm 9:04 pm
Patriot:
Great to see still another obamaniac posting without adding one fact to the conversation.
Just because they’re touted as being smart doesn’t necessarily make it so.
Also, you’ve just added “age” to “Sexism” and “racism” into the mix!
Naughty Naughty!
Posted by: questioner | May 17, 2008, 9:05 pm 9:05 pm
There has been lot “math pundit” around seems like with pro-democratic communist roots. In a democracy each ballot be counted, so no fuzzy norms to disregard some ballots. And look at these so called super-delegates – their announcing before they vote is tactically misleading and unacceptable behavior – it is abuse of democracy. Ms Clinton has the right to compete.
Posted by: Rabin Deka | May 17, 2008, 9:08 pm 9:08 pm
The sharks are all circling Hillary. They are ready to attack.
Hillary needs to leave the Democratic Party as the Party has abandoned her and the rest of us. She should run as an independent. It is very possible she could win. I would love to see her on stage during a Presidential debate with McCain and Obama.
Posted by: Maria | May 17, 2008, 9:11 pm 9:11 pm
This is sooooo said! We talk about coming together as a people with one voice. Yet, we allow two candidates’ to divide us. The bottom line is that both Obama and Clinton have some unsavoring past to contend with. Both have at one time or another stretch the truth. Both are offering the same package because that package is approved by the democratic party. How often have they (Obama & Clinton) promised us the people, so much….We the people already knowing that they will be unable to grant it all. Yes, I am an Obama supporter….But, I am not blind to the fact that his promises are as much the same as Clinton. So, yes I would vote for Clinton if Obama were to lose out. They are both from the democratic party and whoever wins the nomination will be backed by the democratic party. One canidate is no different than the other. It is us who fail to reconize this. Therefore, dividing ourselves, in order to give the republicans an opportunity to be in office once again.
Posted by: AdamND | May 17, 2008, 9:13 pm 9:13 pm
Irma: Great post, and good for you. I feel the same way. We need to hold this feeling and spread the news; Obama must be stopped for the sake of our children, and for the sake of our country.
Posted by: Sally | May 17, 2008, 9:13 pm 9:13 pm
But in that initial bid for political office, Obama quickly mastered the bare-knuckle arts of Chicago electoral politics. His overwhelming legal onslaught signaled his impatience to gain office, even if that meant elbowing aside an elder stateswoman like Palmer.
Thanks Emily for the story on Obama.
Posted by: Priscilla | May 17, 2008, 9:14 pm 9:14 pm
I do not understand why people are getting worked up and responding to th are Hillary supporters who say that they are going to vote for McCain if Obama is the nominee. Remember folks!..The polls suggested over and over again thats a percentage of Hillary’s supporters are unschooled and uneducated. These are the Hillary supporters who are going to vote for McCain. Hillary and Obama’s manifestos are very similar except for a few minor differences…McCain’s manifesto on the other hand is 100% different..yet these people plan to vote for McCain..can’t you see that these people are really unschooled and uneducated? They are in the minority because most of Hillary’s voters are decent,intelligent and good democrats who would vote for whomever the nominee is. So don’t worry about the uneducated ones! Democrats 08
Posted by: Earl | May 17, 2008, 9:17 pm 9:17 pm
Butterfly: I appreciate the civility of your post. I don’t think the party will hold it against Hillary that we don’t vote for Obama, or we vote for McCain, instead. But even if the party did do that, it’s a matter of principle. Polls show that there are millions of Hillary supporters who will not vote for Obama under any circumstance, and I and my family are among them.
Posted by: Emily | May 17, 2008, 9:20 pm 9:20 pm
News folks are calling the race over because it is Hillary. After Kentucky and Oregon nobody in the world believes you will be taking 80% of the remaining delegates which is the only possible way you can win. What the hell does she think? Every single remaining super delegate and the ones who have choosen Obama are going to jump over to Hillary.
Posted by: Eddie | May 17, 2008, 9:22 pm 9:22 pm
Shame on those who do not support Hillary. This is proof that you are more backward than Pakistan, Afghanistan, India and all those third world countries who had women heads of states long before you allowed your women to even vote or be counted as equal citizens. Shame on you. What era do you live in? Stone Henges?
Posted by: Jasmin | May 17, 2008, 9:22 pm 9:22 pm
Hey Butterfly,
I just had a major change of heart. In the interest of what is best for America my family and I will vote for Obama. Right now I am just letting my disappointment get the best of me. We will all fall in behind the person nominated on the Democratic ticket.
Posted by: Emily | May 17, 2008, 9:23 pm 9:23 pm
Hillary is the only Democrat in the race that has any real juevones. She’s tough. I have absolutely no doubt that Hillary Clinton will be the first woman to be elected President of the United States of America. She is a role model for the daughters I raised. I’m extremely proud of Hillary, she is not a quitter and is still in it to win it. This is driving the all boys club crazy, but its time that that happened.
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Obama and BitterGate, we shall never forget!
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Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | May 17, 2008, 9:23 pm 9:23 pm
Wow I am glad I had one last look. to: I DONT BELIEVE YOU, don’t misrepresent my opinions or posts. I have said all along that I would never vote for a Republican. As for the rest, suit yourself, I am not out to make you believe me I am stating what is. I don’t have time to sit on this blog to make up lies. You need to reread my past posts.
Posted by: irma | May 17, 2008, 9:25 pm 9:25 pm
Jasmin this is democracy where citizins have the right to choose whomever they want. Your statement is as idiotic as a black person calling everyone who doesn’t support racist.
Posted by: Eddie | May 17, 2008, 9:25 pm 9:25 pm
Reading these posts is really depressing. Your all acting like children trying to argue this. You just do not change the rules in the 4th quarter of a football game. Why would you change the rules of the primaries at this point. Hillary and Obama are both excellent candidates and this is why they are still in it.
The press is not being mean, they can just not see any possible way Hillary can win. Short a super delegate miracle, her running is simply symbolic at this point. It does not matter what your opinion is, or what polls say. The United states has voted and caucused and that is the way it is done. Sure go to the end but at this point it is just basically a formality. cheers fellow dems! Jon
Posted by: jon | May 17, 2008, 9:26 pm 9:26 pm
“You know, last week I won West Virginia by 41 points. A Democrat hasn’t been elected since 1916 without winning West Virginia…”
This is typical Clinton spin. It would seem that Clinton views that winning West Virgina as important in a Democrat in winning the presidential election. The fallacy in her statement is that several Democratic nominees have won West Virgina in the president election but did not win the presidential election.
In 1988 Michael Dukakais, 1980 Jimmy Carter, 1968 Herbert Humphry, 1952 Adlai Steven all won West Virgina for the Democratic party, but did not win the general election for president of U.S.A. The Republican presidents where George Bush, Ronald Reagan, Richard Nixon, and Dwight Eisenhower (in the same order).
In other words if Clinton does become the democratic nominee, then there is no guarantee that she will win the general election. Also, of the remaining 3 candidates and nominees will make this election historic no matter who wins. Much has changed in America since almost 80 years ago.
Posted by: Anthony | May 17, 2008, 9:27 pm 9:27 pm
She lives on another planet; she’s utters nonsense; yeah, I’d really like to have her running the country.
Posted by: shoobaloobop | May 17, 2008, 9:28 pm 9:28 pm
I Don’t Believe You said: Because Obama has pretty much the same policy agenda as Hillary does. Any loyal democrat would understand that and vote for what was in their own best interest.
OBAMA SUPPORTERS ARE JUST NOT GETTING IT. Your argument is premised on the proposition that Hillary and Obama are the same. They are not. They may have similar “policies” but that’s where the similarity ends. Obama is an inexperienced, deceptive, ruthless, divisive, black liberation theology believing, race card throwing, terrorist befriending, fraudulent empty suit. Therefore, your analogy is a false one.
Posted by: Sally | May 17, 2008, 9:29 pm 9:29 pm
Hey CANUCK:
(I find it interesting that you comment like you are from the states yet your handle is “Canuck” – a slang label for “Canadian”). No problem. It’s a free world.
Anyway, I assume you were responding once again to me, Marko. Okay, I’m game.
CANUCK wrote:
“Canada is a truly free country? That’s awesome.”
Well at least as free as the US – perhaps a bit more. Let’s educate you a bit on that – for what it’s worth.
In terms of federal politics there are five distinct political affiliations here. Do you have a pen, CANUCK? Okay now, take notes as there’ll be a short test to follow.
Our two main parties are the Conservatives and the Liberals (very similar to your Republican/Democrat scenario). Then you have the NDP (National Democratic Party) who are pro labour/worker – in other words, a party that would never fly on your side of the boarder. Your financial and economic rulers would never allow it in the “land of the free”.
There is the Green Party although, unfortunately, no one will take them seriously and then we have the Bloc Quebecois who couldn’t give a rat’s petoody about most of the country other than Quebec. Are ya still with me, CANUCK? Hang in there, buddy.
The point is that we have more choices. Some might be inclined to argue that more choice means more freedom. God forbid if our only choice came down to Obby and McCain (with McCain being the lesser of two evils). And that after eight years of Bush? Man. Good to be Canadian.
“So, now tell me again, why are you in here posting about our election? An election in which you have no say.”
Ah, a well thought-out and inquisitive inquiry from your friend CANUCK, the American.
Well, pal, there are any number of very good reasons. I’ll give you two really good one’s I think you can handle. Are you still taking notes? Great! I must apologize ahead of time that the answers to your questions cannot be provided in simple sound byte responses. Sorry if I tax your attention span. You are, after all, a band-wagon Obby supporter are you not?
1. When the tragic events of 9/11 occurred and your prez decided to invade (of all places) Iraq, he came knocking on our door for troops. We refused being the smarter of the cousins. However, having subsequently elected a conservative government with (what some would suggest) political ties to Bush and company (you might say they’re Bush-whacked) we now have troops in Afghanistan where yours should have been from the start. We’ve lost a number of them as a favour to our kind and conscientious neighbor to the south.
So, let me simplify this for you, CANUCK: If you want our help fighting your various wars throughout the world your damn right we’re going to have an opinion about the next shlump you put on the thrown.
Which brings us to number two:
2. Do you not refer to your king as the “leader of the free world”? Well, I and millions of others live in the free world. In all honesty no one you put on the thrown will be my leader. However, if you insist on maintaining such arrogant assumptions, that is, that your leader is therefore mine, than I (and many others) will at least be afforded our own opinion about it in addition to the right to air such opinion. Got it? Get it? Good !
While there are no doubt many who will question the audacity of any non-American for having the nerve to express an opinion about your present electoral situation you are a seriously flawed individual if you feel the opinion of your own countrymen are worthless unless they see things your way. If I’m guessing right, you sound like an Obama cultist. In my educated opinion (remember I’ve established this right to have one) the Obby camp appears less inclined to THINK about the consequences of another republican White House. They focus only on the democratic win at hand. Clearly, Hillary Clinton is your best bet.
CANUCK wrote:
“I haven’t had a beer yet, but toss one down buddy.”
Sure. Sounds like you might need a 2-4 of good ol’ Canadian lager. Save some for November. You’re going to need it.
Posted by: Marko | May 17, 2008, 9:30 pm 9:30 pm
I admire Hillary. I was very proud to be an American during the Clinton years. I believe she has the right attributes to be President and to effect change.
Does that mean I’m anti-Obama? No.
It DOES mean I’m anti-RATpublican!
Posted by: Mike Guilford | May 17, 2008, 9:32 pm 9:32 pm
Instead of this ridiculous petty arguing I would like to see a Hillary supporter explain how she could possibly win.
Posted by: Tom | May 17, 2008, 9:32 pm 9:32 pm
So let me see if I got this right….because Hillary didn’t get the nomination….some of her supporters are willing to continue this war, keep your kids in eroding schools, add even more to the national debt, and continue the bush policies? Because THAT is what you will be doing if you vote for McFlipFlop.
Yeah…that’ll show ‘em…….GEESH!!!
Posted by: say what | May 17, 2008, 9:33 pm 9:33 pm
jon, the odds were worse for Jimmy Carter against Ted Kennedy. They took it all the way to the convention. Ted was ahead in elected delegates. SD’s picked Carter. Lost to Reps, but Dems for Ted bailed as well from voting or went Republican. Oh yeah and Ted turned his back on Carter on the Senate floor too!
Posted by: irma | May 17, 2008, 9:33 pm 9:33 pm
Obama needs to get some VAGINA!
Posted by: Mister Common Sense | May 17, 2008, 9:33 pm 9:33 pm
All I want to know is that where Obama brings his money? I live in California and have never received one single flyer or e-mail from Obama asking for any contibutions. None of Obama Supporters that I know and have spoken to have contributed a dime to his campaign. Where does he brings his money? If he gets his money from annonymous rich people or Arabs, doesn’t this tell that he is in bed with “SPECIAL INTEREST”? How could his supporters be so blind and unwise. Oh! Majority of his supporters grew up on Nintendo and Game Boy. Give them one or the other, they are happy. They don’at know any better.
All major States, the states that matter and contribute something to this country have voted for Hillary. How could that not be counted for anything???
GO Hillary! Never quit no matter what the Boys and Arabs Clubs say.
If not Hillary, McCain it is!
Posted by: Jasmin | May 17, 2008, 9:33 pm 9:33 pm
LIZ and NC DEM, You must be the same person, same subject same opinion???
Posted by: 2008nowosci | May 17, 2008, 9:35 pm 9:35 pm
Are all of Hillary’s supporters so averse to facts and logic?
Seriously, most of you folks are an embarassment. You scare me. My dog reasons better than you do.
The fact that you’d vote for McCain instead of Obama speaks volumes about you. You’re not Democrats. You’re the same slack-jawed rubes who elected Bush twice.
Thank God you’re demographic is dwindling.
Posted by: Bothers to Read | May 17, 2008, 9:36 pm 9:36 pm
Jasmin you’re clearly an idiot so please stop posting. You’re a breathing example of an abortion gone wrong.
Posted by: Tom | May 17, 2008, 9:39 pm 9:39 pm
I keep my Kerry Edwards bumper sticker on my car, and will take it off on Jan. 20th. I am so proud that I never voted for the idiot Bush. I will keep my Hillary yard sign up as well until she wins in 2012. I want everyone to know I didn’t vote for Obama or Mc Cain.
Hillary is the one who is smart and experienced enough to get us out of the unholy mess George “I am Dumber than a Rock” Bush got us into. Obama is a phony propagandist, his wife is hateful, and he will be in over his head.
Posted by: Not your sweetie | May 17, 2008, 9:40 pm 9:40 pm
Why keep beating the dead horse? Just ignore her.
Posted by: mampang | May 17, 2008, 9:41 pm 9:41 pm
Say what; simple solution for you and yours, let the votes continue and count.
Posted by: irma | May 17, 2008, 9:42 pm 9:42 pm
The only thing Hillary has is crotch rot.
Posted by: Morking | May 17, 2008, 9:43 pm 9:43 pm
It’s very simple. Michigan and Florida were told not to do something or else. They did it anyway and the or else became reality. I’m sorry but game over.
Posted by: Tom | May 17, 2008, 9:45 pm 9:45 pm
to Yavo Lem: The data ou represented EXCLUDE several caucoses and also Zero for Obama in Mi , where nobody else took part( How can one think she won with herself only). State won: 32:16 , sure not clinton ahead.
And when they will make decisiom about Mi, in some proportion You will acount.
But before that – go to school and lear, how to count.
All clintonists have very little brains.
Linda,Fl
========================================
Linda, I would be most happy to reanalyze the data, if I could only figure out what you are referring to. You advise me to “go to school and lear, how to count”. Well, I would advise you to go to school and learn how to write simple English so that people, like me, with very little brains, although I am not a “clintonist”, could understand you. May I ask how much and what kind of schooling you have had to date?
Posted by: Yavo Lem | May 17, 2008, 9:46 pm 9:46 pm
No Hard Feelings. It is just a bit hard to accept right now. But in the end the party should prevail. Give the others some time. I am sure they will come around
Posted by: Emily | May 17, 2008, 9:46 pm 9:46 pm
No Hard Feelings. It is just a bit hard to accept right now. But in the end the party should prevail. Give the others some time. I am sure they will come around.
Posted by: Emily | May 17, 2008, 9:46 pm 9:46 pm
GordonWayneWhatever–
Go Ron Paul. Didn’t you LOVE IT when he asked McCain that economics question in the debate. That was beautiful.
Posted by: HEY | May 17, 2008 9:23:58 PM
I didn’t see that debate -but I’m sure McCain looked less than academic on that one.
I hate to say I’m a republican when I see what they’ve allowed our economy to become (and this doesn’t even count the economic costs of the Iraq war).
Posted by: GordonWayneWatts | May 17, 2008, 9:47 pm 9:47 pm
Just as we use the Electoral College and not popular vote to select our president, the DNC uses delegates to select the nominee. WHO CARES about the popular vote!!
DON’T like it? You have the power to start the change and stop whinning!!
Posted by: Glenn | May 17, 2008, 9:48 pm 9:48 pm
Well ole’ Russell has not had time to blog for several weeks now because I have been so busy helping Hillary get out the vote in PA,WV,and KY! Well eveyone on the blogs thinks that this primary race is all but over well Hillary may lose but she is not going down without a fight! I have watched her campaign in three different states now and I am amazed at he endurance and fortitude, she is simply the hardest working person in politics today bar none! Hillay has been counted out so many times that I have stoped counting and she simply gets back up and goes to work every day just like the working class that she represents! You see Hillary is the only canidate who can win the working class and this year they will provide the swing vote. She won Oh,PA,WV,and she will win Ky and PR. So you see it is a bad sign when the media and the pundits have declared Obama the nominee and that nominee loses a majority of the primaries that remain. How can we nominate someone who loses a swing state like WV by 41 points and KY by at least 25 points? If Obama was so strong why is he losing these final contest? Well it is because he has failed to connect to the working class in this country and that always spells disaster for Democrats! Hillary has gotten stronger and he has gotten weaker as the campaign went on! He should be the one that is wiping her out but he can’t close the deal and most Democrats don’t want her to quit! So she goes on because the voters want her to go on and no matter what happens she has gained the support of a coalition of Hispanics,Women and Working Class Americans which can win against McCain this fall but it looks like the party elite will give it to anothe canidate like McGovern who will get the Black Vote and the party intellectuals and that has always been a losing ticket! Without working class voters Republicans always win because they are able to get enough of these voters to give them a majority. This will be out fate this time too if Hillary is not the nominee! What ever happens I will not give up until she does and I don’t think that will happen till all the voters have had their say and MI and FL are counted!
So I will continue to get the vote out for my gal and she will continue to fight and never give up and that is why I love her so much!!
Hillary you go girl!!!!
Posted by: russell | May 17, 2008, 9:49 pm 9:49 pm
Priscilla you must be related to Jasmine. It’s the only way you can read the crap that she posts and try to defend her or her imbecilic ramblings.
Posted by: Tom | May 17, 2008, 9:49 pm 9:49 pm
Only voters who live over 600 ft elevation but under 1700ft elevation should count. Hillary is winning if we do it that way! Who cares if it makes sense? It’s no different than the stuff her campaign keeps spewing out.
Posted by: Let's change the rules...again | May 17, 2008, 9:50 pm 9:50 pm
TO Hillary Supporters:
It is over. We know that you are in denial. This is just one of the many phases of grief you will experience.
Join our support group! We have many success stories of people just like you who have regained their self worth and gone on to lead happy and productive lives. You can too!!!
call 1-800-Hillaryhaslost and get information about our next meeting.
We look forward to helping you move on!
Posted by: Sore Losers Inc. | May 17, 2008, 9:50 pm 9:50 pm
Anyone get the feeling even Clinton knows the game is done? That the Democrats are only continuing this dog and pony show in order to motivate more people to register as Democrats in the states that remain?
Posted by: Mike | May 17, 2008, 9:51 pm 9:51 pm
TO Hillary Supporters:
It is over. We know that you are in denial. This is just one of the many phases of grief you will experience.
Join our support group! We have many success stories of people just like you who have regained their self worth and gone on to lead happy and productive lives. You can too!!!
call 1-800-Hillaryhaslost and get information about our next meeting.
We look forward to helping you move on!
Oh and SEND MONEY!!!
Posted by: Sore Losers Inc. | May 17, 2008, 9:53 pm 9:53 pm
If not Hillary, that is McCain. John Carry and John Edwards are losers. There is no any meaning for their endorssement.
Posted by: John | May 17, 2008, 9:54 pm 9:54 pm
Simple solution; let the votes continue and count. Oh yeah, that’s what most of the elders in the party have said.
Posted by: irma | May 17, 2008, 9:54 pm 9:54 pm
irma….I have no problem with that. If Hillary wants to continue, I’m all for her. If she happens to get the nomination, I’ll back her 100%. My main problem is with Clinton supporters that say they will vote McFlipFlop…that’s just plain STUPID. Personally I believe it’s mostly repubs posting as Dems.
Posted by: say what | May 17, 2008, 9:54 pm 9:54 pm
Anyone who would honestly vote for McCain over Obama most likely knows very little about either candidate. Obama is far closer to Clinton than Clinton is to McCain. Time to stop whining and unite as a party.
Posted by: Mike | May 17, 2008, 9:54 pm 9:54 pm
SORE LOSERS – Now that IS Funny!
Posted by: Great Post | May 17, 2008, 9:55 pm 9:55 pm
Yes, Obama’s polcies are very similar to Hillary’s….they should be. He didn’t began mentioning anything about policies until people began asking…does he have any policy details at all ?!?! Hillary had been speaking about details long before fancy pants. He “sort of” “kind of” borrowed a few to appease the silly ones asking for details.
Why does everyone think McCain will be so bad…I mean, think of it this way. The Democratic party should pick up, some are saying, 30 additional seats. If this is the case, there will be a legitimate checks/balances in place, and McCain will be much more limited in what he can achieve. In other words, if the democrats are really serious about stopping the Iraq war, they will have the votes to cut off funding. Nothing ends a war quicker! They will have the votes to override vetoes as well, so heck, don’t worry so much about McCain.
The thing with Obama for me…he based his whole campaign on disingenuous claims. He does take special interest money, and he is no unifier, at least he didn’t try to be in his first year in the US Senate. He had all his negative truths hidden until late in the campaign, and from what I’ve researched, there is still more relationship problems for him. I do not allow the media to pick my nominee for me!!
Obama earned the reputation of “gutless” and “absent” in the Il. Senate. Also, US Sen. Ted Stevens said Obama “folded like a cheap suit” when time to take a stand. He just seems weak, doesn’t he to you all?? When has weak won the Presidency? I also would be very surprised if he would be a very effective President. Most prophetic speakers rarely are. Deval Patrick, Gov. of Mass., also gave lofty rhetorical speeches that inspired the masses, but by all accounts, he’s a very ineffective Governor.
I would like to know exactly how Obama intends to “change” Washington? His most formidable supporters are deep in the Washington ways of politics. If he doesn’t learn to play the Washington game, he’ll get nothing done…period!
Hillary simply works harder, and knows more, and has the passion and compassion necessary to be an effective leader. I would also put her honesty up against Obama’s anyday of the week!!! I just don’t fall for the cutie pie of the week, so count me in with the lot of those who simply wanted the best candidate for the Presidency……….
hrc’08
Posted by: kmb08 | May 17, 2008, 9:55 pm 9:55 pm
I really don’t care if Hillary continues in the race. Pretty soon the numbers will take care of themselves and that will be the end for her.
Posted by: Tom | May 17, 2008, 9:56 pm 9:56 pm
Hey wrote : “I bet you did like rd’s post, he is also a republican.”
I had to post this in the last thread, oh well, here goes again…
I’ve posted pretty regularly here for last few months. rd stands for Ralph Daugherty. I’m a registered Democrat in Florida, easily found in Google, and as I’ve posted will be removing my name from the Democratic Party if they are intent on repeating the follies of McGovern, Carter, Mondale, Dukakis, and Kerry.
Clinton and Gore was a breath of moderate success which outraged the liberals, and they are intent on taking the party left again.
Half the Dems are leaving as soon as the party commits another suicide run with a Chicago radical, a man whose entire political career revolves around the Syrian Rezko, funded by the Saddam Iraqi Auchi, associate of the Marxist Ayers, and converted from Muslim heritage to Black Liberation Theology by none other than GD America Wright, mentored by anti-Jewish Farrakan.
If you had to try to find someone less palatable to working class Americans that this group of radicals, I’m not sure you could do it.
It is not about pride. It is doing what’s best for our country.
I was drafted for Nam. Was Nam a mistake? You bet it was. Was Iraq an even bigger mistake, a deliberate con job by the neocons who spent the 90′s planning on overthrowing Saddam? You bet it was.
I believe in Hillary’s plan for exiting Iraq and her statements on the Middle East. Obama and his supporters do not.
It’s fundamental to the defense of our nation, I trust Hillary as commander in chief, Obama has no record to stand on and what I know about him I wouldn’t trust him as a block watch captain.
But I respect your efforts to support Obama. I will not vote for McCain either. If others do then we should have nominated Hillary.
I’ll be writing in Hillary if she doesn’t get the nomination, and the people that vote in the President can take their lumps with what they get.
Hillary ’08
Posted by: rd | May 17, 2008, 9:58 pm 9:58 pm
Clinton or McCain 2008!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: maryInNC | May 17, 2008, 9:58 pm 9:58 pm
Just as we use the Electoral College and not popular vote to select our president, the DNC uses delegates to select the nominee. WHO CARES about the popular vote!!
DON’T like it? You have the power to start the change and stop whinning!!
Posted by: Glenn | May 17, 2008 9:48:34 PM
GORDON’s REPLY: You are correct.
I’m a Republican -trying to be a Good Samaritan and steer clueless DEMOCRAT Hillary-supporters in the proper direction to get their candidate nominated. (I personally think she’s more qualified than Obama.)
Yet, on their official http://Blog.HillaryClinton.com Blog all they do is whine, moan, groan, and complain.
MY state (I’m a Floridian) BROKE THE RULES – hello?
We can’t change the rules in the 4th quarter of the game, as some suggest.
I tried posting to their blog that they would have a better chance of getting their girl, Hillary, nominated if that admitted that OUR elected leaders here in Fla messed up -and politely asked the remaining superdelegates to consider Hillary on her merits -that, after all, is the precise reason the ‘superdelegate’ system was created: To avoid another Jimmy Carter situation, where your candidate is too weak to win in the general election.
If, however, the Hillary-Democrats keep whining, they will in all likelihood, alienate and offend the remaining Superdelegates -who would nominate Mr. Obama -a candidate who would probably lose to McCain.
They have not posted any of my posts to their blog —except one -and it got deleted by moderator for supposed inappropriate content -you can’t handle the truth, so you delete it: http://Blog.HillaryClinton.com
Any thoughts?
http://www.GordonWayneWatts.com
http://www.GordonWatts.com
Lakeland, Fla.
Posted by: GordonWayneWatts | May 17, 2008, 10:00 pm 10:00 pm
Exactly and my point is simply this. Hillary knows the only way she can win is to change the rules. The fact that she has taken that approach proves she has no interest in uniting the party.
Posted by: Tom | May 17, 2008, 10:00 pm 10:00 pm
Don’t Quite Hillary
why should she…she is the candidate who won Ohio’s 84 out of 88 counties
she won pa ..almost 70 counties out of 76-78
and she won texas popular vote by a margin more than what Zogby had been polling for over 10 days for Obama
and she won california by at least 6%
when on the same day USA headlined Obama’s Zogby lead by 13% …go see it…election day USA…
and she won…Indiana in a sqeeker…but by the same margin Obama won Missouri
and she won New Jersey and she won
WVA and will win Ky
…if any other candidate had won so many major swing and major political states…
and was poised to win a million votes in puerto rico…in just a couple of weeks and is running VERY strong in midwest and in tennessee and ky and wva
and in Oklahoma and Nevada and among latino voters who are a bigger minority NOW than the AA’s are…by recent accepted census date..she win’s latino voters by 62 %…
why then would ANY candidate with this kind of winning column be treated by a true democratic party
in the manner Hilary has
If Ted Kennedy..had won ANY of these states in the primary he ran against Carter in 1988.
He WOULD HAVE TAKEN THE CONVENTION BY STORM and NEVER GIVEN UP!
and If Gary Hart had won such states
and if Leahy or Richardson had won Ohio and Pa and Wva both
do you think they would be asked to quit the race
only because it is hillary r clinton
and a woman on top of this
is this party abandoning its principles
finally
does June 1968 mean anything to this party?
we are going to come to a grim reminder of a major anniversay
RFK jr’s death
and why was June such a critical month for him..and for the entire nation and the dem party?
because…it was UNTIL JUNE 6TH that year…the dem party nomination was STILL OPEN AND IT WAS A MAJOR OPEN ELECTION PRIMARY!!!!
IF YOU GUYS ONLY UNDERSTOOD THE MODERN DEM PRESIDENTIAL RACE HISTORY
june 1968 and robert was killed because he won california that evening
and it signaled the fact that his candidacy which was in trouble up until then…but growing stronger by the week
was in fact…for real june 68
got it?
compish?
late nomination process?
ask…
the historians about when such things
“are over” and why “they are over”
its not over…until
the lady in the pantsuit says it will, be
and dont’ you dare give up hillary supporters
not now…not ever she’s the right one for this years GE and obama has to find a way to discover something he has never had in his life
patience and humility
Posted by: appalachian blue | May 17, 2008, 10:01 pm 10:01 pm
Do tell, what do Clinton and McCain have in common, exactly? Why would McCain possibly be your second choice compared to Clinton when they’re polar opposites on a number of issues?
Posted by: Mike | May 17, 2008, 10:02 pm 10:02 pm
I am the father of three daughters that I love more than life. I long oppose any form of gender discrimination. I was excited at the prospect of a woman president of the United States of America. I knew nothing of Senator Barrack Obama. However, during the course of the campaign he earned my support. Hillary lose me with her “ ole’ say anything, do anything to get elected politics”. It seems as if Hillary’s “Kitchen-sink” strategy includes resurrecting the pre-60s racist divide in America. My daughters reminded me that “Real Women” who have known discrimination would not associate the Women’s Movement with an advocate of this racist and divisive politic. For a moment I smile and had a sense of comfort before lapsing back into uncertainty.
Posted by: Frank | May 17, 2008, 10:02 pm 10:02 pm
All true Hillary supporters are busy trying to raise money for her bankrupt election team. Only phony Hillary supporters are posting here trying to promote McCain over Obama.
Posted by: Micmacarac | May 17, 2008, 10:02 pm 10:02 pm
Say what, you’re right. I have been posting for nearly a year off and on and the level of discourse completely changed when Republicans joined the scene. Sure there were the Obama low level remarks, but you could tell they were just kids, a lot of cussing etc. You know. I started off as a Republican (I was just a kid 18yrs) my father was a lifelong Democrat, I guess I rebelled. Anyway, I went to some events and there was a whole lot of racism, uppityness, crudeness I found it hard to ever believe they were the Family Values party. Then look what happened; child molesters and hidden homosexuals who were willing to beat on gays for their cover. Sick bunch indeed. I immediately changed to Democrat by the time I was 19. The only way it will be just in this close race, is to let it play out. Let’s see what happens. The DNC needs to step in when racism/sexism reers it’s ugly head so that we, the supporters don’t start attacking each other. McC people are trying to convince us they are on our side. Scary….So good bye for now SAY WHAT and take care.
Posted by: irma | May 17, 2008, 10:05 pm 10:05 pm
This is an instant gratification society and it’s getting lazier by the generation. More people should be finishing what they start and keeping the faith to achieve their goals. It’s the DEM party who decided all this proportional division of delegates and THEN to drag on with superdelegates… NOW they are the ones who want Clinton to call it quits!
Posted by: Darla | May 17, 2008, 10:05 pm 10:05 pm
Hey, RD:
Are you “Ralph Daugherty” with an ‘a’-or “Ralph Dougherty” with an ‘o’??
I had an Organic Chemistry professor by that name (the 2nd one).
Posted by: GordonWayneWatts | May 17, 2008, 10:05 pm 10:05 pm
Micmacarac | May 17, 2008 10:02:57 PM -
You gotta point there. Maybe I should go raise some money.
Posted by: irma | May 17, 2008, 10:05 pm 10:05 pm
How a person can lead this country who could get nominated just because of media. But I don’t think people of this great country are foolish.
Posted by: gree | May 17, 2008, 10:06 pm 10:06 pm
Posted by: ProudtosupportMcCain
“Kim, please repost I can’t find your words of wisdom. Thanks!”
I hesitate to repost for her, I’m not sure if it was dropped because this page is getting too long.
I will post a link to my site where I posted it. We’ll see if the link survives long (or this post :)
rd
http://www.justiceforchandra.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3515&start=15
Posted by: rd | May 17, 2008, 10:09 pm 10:09 pm
One thing is for sure here. I have read so many blogs that it seems that their are a significant number of people who say that if Hillary does not get the nomination they will vote for McCain.
Do you really think that voting for McCain to HAVE IT YOUR WAY is the right thing to do?
I can give you more than 4,000 dead soldiers who I think would want you to get their comrades out of the war in Iraq.
By rebelling against Barack Obama is sentencing thousands more troops to DEATH in Iraq, ARE people really that SELFISH??????
Please vote to END the WAR, I have loved ones there!!!
Posted by: ric Iowa | May 17, 2008, 10:09 pm 10:09 pm
Everyone knows this is fixed and the remaining super delegates will choose Hillary and base this on her ability to beat McCain. Isn’t it obvious?
Posted by: DHS | May 17, 2008, 10:09 pm 10:09 pm
To all the Obama supporters, I hope he wins the nomination because you will see such a backlash from Hillary supporters they will be talking about it for 20 years, I say Hillary supporters just hang in there we will have our day, also I hope his supporters keep blogging and saying the things they do, because they will our resolve stronger,remember we cannot write in Hillary on the ballot in all states because the vote may count for Obama, you need to go to voting service in your county or state and request a voter registration card,change your party, you can also pick voter registration forms at most post offices, you don’t even need to pay for stamp, most of them have the postage paid on them. Attention Hillary supporters we can keep in touch by e-mail, I know most of you know other web-sites also.
Posted by: gazzed | May 17, 2008, 10:14 pm 10:14 pm
DOY
sorry for the misspelling but i thought all those highly edumucated obama supporters would be able to ferret out a quick misspeling
but then..i’m only one of those stupid under 50,000 dumb white red necks who happen to be voting for hillary
and who also enjoys a masters degree
and a law degree
and has written state minimum wage laws that have actually been enacted into law..well before i was thirty five years of age
and have a landmark legal case to my name…
but..you is alright that is fur sure
mr /ms doy
what can you say you have done for humanity lately??
again…..
i know you think hillary supporters are all rednecks and white
but…please
keep thinking this way and keep on doing your best
by offending us…who support the far and away much more intelligent and experienced and qualified candidate
and you will find out just what it means to a coalition of the
meaningless…
or should i add another latte to your tall order of vapid political experience 101 called
“lacking in substance”
for the fall run…
even hear of Karl Rove and how many trips he made to ohio in the fall of04
if not..i suggest you guys ought to think twice about making so sure Ohio will go to obama…
even ted strickland will not be able to rescue his nomination…
especially when wva and ky and probably florida…and all those pissed off latinos vote for mr amnesty himself
if their vote for hillary is not counted now
Posted by: appalachian blue | May 17, 2008, 10:17 pm 10:17 pm
Quote: “…even though I’ve won more votes,”
What is the definition of ‘delusional?’
Posted by: Aaron | May 17, 2008, 10:17 pm 10:17 pm
SWEETIE:
I have never voted Republican in my life! I have had more arguments with my Republican sister than I care to admit.
You definitely know not what you speak.
I’m just saying…the democrats will have a much wider majority in the House/Senate, so McCain will have checks/balances to stop him, unlike what we had against Bush!! He cannot continue the Iraq war if the Democrats cut off funding!!!!
As to Insurance: Obama’s plan isn’t much better than what we have now. Good grief!!!
hrc’08
Posted by: kmb08 | May 17, 2008, 10:22 pm 10:22 pm
Howdy dodo – you are so aptly named
Posted by: LMAO | May 17, 2008, 10:23 pm 10:23 pm
Appalachian Blue,
“Don’t Quite Hillary”?
How about, “NOT quite, Hillary!”
You may try learnin’ tuh spell . . . unless that’s too elitist for yuh.
WOW AND THANKS….. silly me thought it said ” Don’t Quit Hillary ” with a typo.
Posted by: micmacarac | May 17, 2008, 10:24 pm 10:24 pm
The talk of the of the Town, McCain and Hillary on the same ticket “Y not” they have the experience.
Posted by: Genaro | May 17, 2008, 10:24 pm 10:24 pm
well, if nothing else at least she is trying to the end. but really, i dont think i want Bill living in the white house again. I can just imagine him sneaking into the oval office when Hillary is out of town, up to his old tricks again. and i have no doubt he would do exactly that. I think ill pass. Go Obama!
Posted by: jeff m | May 17, 2008, 10:26 pm 10:26 pm
Howdy Dodo
We are not having a meeting we are having a CELEBRATION. You can come too. After you have completed your 7 step programme!
Posted by: Celebrate With Us | May 17, 2008, 10:30 pm 10:30 pm
NotAfraidOfRaceCard – Is this your hood and cape? Catch up with the times man. You are sooooo dated. Get a life!
Posted by: Get A Life | May 17, 2008, 10:32 pm 10:32 pm
To if a frog had wings, I am with you 100%.
Posted by: bradlbre | May 17, 2008, 10:33 pm 10:33 pm
Seems like some people want Hillary out of the race awfully bad. I guess they are afraid if she dosen’t drop out, she will probaly win!
Let the people vote, Michigan and Florida must hold new primarys. Obama should be ashamed of him self for denying them of this.
Posted by: hamton232 | May 17, 2008, 10:35 pm 10:35 pm
The Obama supporters keep yelling…You can’t change the rules in the middle of the game…well, to heed your own advice, Obama cannot ask the superdelegates to side with him if the superdelegates feel Hillary has a better chance of winning the general…those are the rules!!
HRC’08
Posted by: kmb08 | May 17, 2008, 10:35 pm 10:35 pm
I listen seriously when Hillary talks, like in reaction to Bush’s comments in Israel. I do not trust Obama as much, and I do not see how he could win. He just does not have the gravitas of Hillary. She is really strong. She will fight for us. For example, the gas tax holiday is not as important for the amount of money as it is for the idea that she would have the oil companies pay the tax: With Hillary, you know who is in charge: we are! Vote for her. She is the winner of the popular vote and hence (since we live in a democracy) she is the winner. It is scary that MSNBC and Obama and Dean and the DNC do not believe in democracy. We cannot let them get away with that!!!
Posted by: sherry | May 17, 2008, 10:36 pm 10:36 pm
Gordon Watts
not a bad proposition and good suggestion
but…we have a right to bitch
its called…in a word
democracy…
if its good enough for the lebanese to go out and throw a bitch fest
and if its good enough to throw a tea party and get the local army upset in boston..a few hundred years ago
and if getting arrested and being hosed down by police in Selma and Birmingham over the right
to cast one’s vote one person one vote
for it to actually mean something
OTHER THAN PROPORTIONAL DELEGATE COUNTING WHICH IS TITLED AFFIRMATIVELY
IN FAVOR OF MAJOR URBAN CENTER AA’s
because of their own lack of interest in politics in the past several decades..for good reasons or bad
its perfectly ok for hillary’s people
to BURN DOWN THE HOUSE
if necessary
and some are planning to take their
fighting spirit..
right or wrong..party or not
and self motivated or not
all the way to the convention
and i know this
If i were in Florida and AFTER 2000
and now this
and a bunch of republicans helped this along and
then some sick vermont medical doctor who loves tort reform
comes along and tells 2 million people that their votes will not matter
then i think we have forgotten
about what the MODERN CIVIL RIGHTS ERA WAS ALL ABOUT
if the first black man were nominated in the miliue of what is happening now
and where two million voters votes are literally made into nothing
then i say…
that black man does not understand nor comprehend
how history would or is to view him
its …form over substance
and its a critical issue
for the “people’s party”
to resolve
not because legalistically
stated
“rules are the rules”
but because
as ABE L himself stated
if..this nation is to continue
it is because
we are a government
“of the people, by the people
and for the people
not for the dem party rules
not for the howard dean interpreation
and not for one candidate’s coalition
of good news and clever rule
and hypocritcal campaigning in a state
where in he does not favor a run off
election now but ONLY after he wins
the nomination by default
in teh 1960′s…martin luther king
himself would have called this kind
of politics
a fraud…and a shame
based on one’s skin color
and not the content of their character
and i can say this..because i am a civil rights lawyer
who knows a thing or two about putting myself at risk for AA
and the cause of american civil liberites
for over the past 15 years…
so i have the street cred to say
this..and am not some kind of
bull …t…surburban latte
or simple minded college student
on some acid trip to the fantastic
Posted by: appalachian blue | May 17, 2008, 10:36 pm 10:36 pm
Thank you Priscilla :-)
Little people like Tom do not bother me after all “Little things please only little minds”. Let him be happy with his abnoxiousness.
Tom:
I would be honord if Priscilla was related to me.
This is to that guy who was explaining to me how to contribute:
I know it too well as I regularly contibute to Hillary’s campaign and will continue to do so. I know a lot of people around me who are Obama supportes and we get into heated discussions about the issues, but when I ask them if they have contributed to their candidate’s campaing, usually a dead silence is the response and I just don’t get it why these regular, ordinary people who support him, do not contribute to his campaign? If no one of Obama supporters within remote vicinity of me is contributing to his campaing, the chances are that not all of those 1.5 million supporters that you mentioned are contributing to his campaing either which again raises the question, where does he bring his money from? This is not only my question. This question has been brought up many times and his campaing staff have not answered it. At least we know Clinton is loaning her own money too and she is being outspent by Obama every time.
And yes, the media has favored Obama by a great extent and that is what I don’t appreciate. Where it the fairness here? Only because she is a woman she is getting bashed all the time. Kind of like what corporate America still does to women!
Please do not get me wrong, I have nothing against Obama, in fact I was having a hard time betwenn the 2 in the beginning but once the rich people’s money started pouring in to his pockets and campaign, it became clear to me that what kind of president I did NOT want in the White House. Rich people should not decide the faith of millions of ordinary, middle class or poor people. And let’s face it, if Obama did not have all the money that he is spending on advertisement and opponent bashing, he wouldn’t get all the votes.
Which again brings us to the fact that “MONEY TALKS”! And that’s what I don’t care about. People should talk not the money. I probably will not vote for McCain. I was just saying that to get under some people’s skin, but I definetly WILL NOT vote for Obama either, just becuase I don’t care for all the money he has (which we don’t really know where he gets it from) and also the fact that “CHANGE” is more than just a word. I am yet to here some of the changes he is going to bring about when he is elected. He wasn’t able to give a clear answer on “TAXES” during his last debate with Hillary. If you watched the debate and paid attention to it, he said something else that I did not like. He said” “Change begins from bottom to Top not from Top to bottome.” Come on! We all know that that is not the way it works. He is setting the stage to put the responsibility of change back on the voters’ shoulders. Anyone who has ever worked in any organization knows that change should come from top to bottom otherwise there cannot ba a change!
With Hillary at least we know who she is, what she has done and where she stands. Obama suddenly surfaced from obscurity to become this agent of change without us knowing anythin about him and what he has done so far to make a difference in this world in in the lives of people other than his close friends and relatives.
Good Luck to you all and Happy Bloging!
GO! HILLARY GO! Hillary in the White House is the only true CHANGE to our declinig political system.
Posted by: Jasmin | May 17, 2008, 10:36 pm 10:36 pm
Hey, Somebody hold on to that goal post. It is moving again!
Hillary leave that ALONE!!!!
Posted by: The Goal Post | May 17, 2008, 10:36 pm 10:36 pm
I agree with many of the posts that say Clinton, then McCain, NEVER Obama.
Many voters feel that the time of partisan politics is over. We want a person who has shown us that they can ride out any storm and can be the leader that we expect them to be.
Being President is about more than abortion and appointing justices. What we do NOT want is someone who shows poor judgment, appears weak and naive and who can claim the title of being “the most unknown presidential candidate in history”.
The Democratic Party will not scare me into voting for Obama by hanging the abortion carrot in front of me. I will vote for McCain…and yes…I know just about everything about him and have been following his career for quite some time…over Obama and would do so in good conscience. No pork, no earmarks and someone who knows the cost of war and would do what is right to get us out of this mess that George W got us into to.
Posted by: Raleigh Voter | May 17, 2008, 10:36 pm 10:36 pm
I will say this one more time for the Hillary Supporters
YOU ARE NOT AHEAD in the popular vote. No matter HOW you try to spin it, you are not ahead.
Obama didn’t block any revote efforts in any state. You guys need to stop listening to LIES.
This contest is over, everybody has moved on….. according to the small crowd in KY for Hillary’s speech at Kentucky St her followers are seeing it as well
Posted by: BK | May 17, 2008, 10:38 pm 10:38 pm
I listen seriously when Hillary talks, like in reaction to Bush’s comments in Israel. I do not trust Obama as much, and I do not see how he could win. He just does not have the gravitas of Hillary. She is really strong. She will fight for us.
For example, the gas tax holiday is not as important for the amount of money as it is for the idea that she would have the oil companies pay the tax: With Hillary, you know who is in charge: we are!
Vote for her. She is the winner of the popular vote and hence (since we live in a democracy) she is the winner.
It is scary that MSNBC and Obama and Dean and the DNC do not believe in democracy. We cannot let them get away with that!!!
Posted by: sherry | May 17, 2008, 10:41 pm 10:41 pm
Clinton is hoping for a big win in Kentucky, and plans to campaign here every day until the primary. The state’s demographics resemble neighboring West Virginia, which gave her a much-needed victory last week.
Both states are overwhelmingly white, rural and have more residents below the poverty line and without college degrees than the national average —–
doesn’t it bother you when people have enough education to form an independent opinion they reject Clinton ?
Posted by: Iggy | May 17, 2008, 10:43 pm 10:43 pm
DOY,
Please read my post again. I really hate to repeat myself.
The Democratic Party will have a significant majority if the pundits have it correct, so yes, there will be a checks/balances system in place that WASN’T during the Bush Admin. We didn’t have enough of a majority to do a darn thing, or to stop anything.
Posted by: kmb08 | May 17, 2008, 10:43 pm 10:43 pm
Hillary supporters take note: seems that the Obama campaign wants to begin “playing nice” now after months and months of slinging crap towards Hillary and her supporters…
http://hillbuzz.blogspot.com/2008/05/obama-hires-400-new-bloggers-to-sway.html
Don’t fall for it!
Come November I will br writing Hillary’s name in if she is not the Democratic party nominee. I will never vote for Obama!
Posted by: CNL | May 17, 2008, 10:44 pm 10:44 pm
NotAfraidOfRaceCard | – Nope your posts do not anger me. Nope not bitter. Comments that dumb are not worth any emotion. Just pity.
Just wanted to stop you from embarassing yourself. You need to get out more and meet real people. Have you seen any little green men recently?
Posted by: Get A Life | May 17, 2008, 10:46 pm 10:46 pm
I encourage those in the remaining primaries to vote for Hillary. Not only is she the stronger candidate. Not only is she right on the issues like universal health care and showing the oil companies who is in charge by making them pay the gas tax a few months. Most important of all, she is the winner of the popular vote and hence (since we live in a democracy) she is the winner.
It is scary that MSNBC and Obama and Dean and the DNC do not believe in democracy. We cannot let them get away with that!!!
Posted by: sherry | May 17, 2008, 10:47 pm 10:47 pm
Saber Rattlers
You are forgetting where you live.
This is America.
Your voice is absent.
Your ticket, purchased.
Sadly, this will come down to the whim of a couple hundred elites.
All this debate is like WWE Pro Wrestling.
Who’s the Vince McMahon?
Posted by: DHS | May 17, 2008, 10:48 pm 10:48 pm
Hill08
You are a moron to think that you can ascertain from one post who and what someone is…I have NEVER voted Republican, unlike the majority of the morons who voted for George W…because they like him. The exact same reason many people are voting for Obama.
Operation Chaos…please. And do you not know where Raleigh is? A solid red state…so like my vote will really swing the election anyway.
Posted by: Raleigh Voter | May 17, 2008, 10:50 pm 10:50 pm
Yeah, I really want to vote for a person who thinks there are 57 states, mebbe he was tired, yep excuses, that’ll work. I’ll vote for a man who has a racist pastor who the candidate thanked for his guidance, I’ll even believe Obama didn’t know this paranoid schizo paster blamed white America for causing AIDS to get rid of black people. I’ll vote for that, yeppers. I’ll vote a man who got his senate job by backstabbing a friend, that’s REAL morals there buddy, (look that one up for details) Let’s see, I want to vote for someone who has radical friends who had a party for him when he enetered the race for president, Yeah that’s my choice. Cause I’m a stupid sheep. Obama, just cause I really want to make sure the good ol’ US is really messed up even more than it is.
I even like the sexist mass media extolling his virtues, he’s fresh, he’s new, he’s black, OH MY HE’S THE BLACK MESSIAH, THE CHOSEN ONE. Heck I’ll even go with the plan to call anyone racist if they disagree with the plan to make Obama president. It’s not racist to vote for a man just cause he is black, heck no…
You know what, I’ll go one better, I’ll call that person stupid white trailor trash who dares to have a mind and vote for anyone else!
Yeah, I’m a sheep, I’ll vote for that, cause I have no mind. It doesn’t matter anyway, It’s the US, and the popular vote doesn’t mean diddly so I might as well just go with the flow and NOT use my mind. Superdelegates, go ahead vote for Omaba, be afraid, be really really afraid, not of what this country will go to if an inexperienced, untried person with radical people surrounding him should get the presidency, be afraid of doing the right thing and voting for a real leader instead of being afraid of voting against someone because black people identify with him and OH MY, there might be a RIOT (think OJ), Yep, in America anything can happen, and lately it’s just been all bad.
The wars (remember Iraq and Afghanistan? White and black soldiers have been getting killed there), prices, jobs, college being unaffordable, gas, you know, the stuff you REALLY want an inexperienced person to handle.
I’d hire THAT guy to head my company. Heck, it’s just a country he would be the commander in chief of, how hard can THAT be? How messed up COULD he make it? (think Bush/Cheney)
Did I mention it doesn’t matter anyway cause my vote doesn’t count? SUPERDELEGATES, YOU GO (away…)
Posted by: Susan Powers | May 17, 2008, 10:52 pm 10:52 pm
Hill08..
What the heck are you talking about, and what are you referring to?!?!
Posted by: kmb08 | May 17, 2008, 10:55 pm 10:55 pm
Hill08
Last I heard, we have an ALL VOLUNTEER Military. My brother, father, grandfather, great-grandfather AND husband have all served in the military and they all KNEW what the consequences were when they signed on the dotted line.
A vote for McCain is NOT a vote for Bush. If anyone knows the price of war it is McCain, a man who has earned his country’s respect. He has given his country much more than most politicians can claim.
AND I will say it again…
Hillary first, McCain second, NEVER Obama.
AND I am registered as a INDEPENDENT.
Posted by: Raleigh Voter | May 17, 2008, 10:56 pm 10:56 pm
Anyone but Hillary ’8!
Posted by: Earl | May 17, 2008, 10:57 pm 10:57 pm
what goal post and who moved What?
did NOT the republicans in Fla move goal postS and
then the popular voters were NOT told this?
and
did NOT obama play continually his national ads prior to the FLA primary
in state?
and what if…obama would have won florida…
would NOT you guys be arguing and would have been arguing that Florida was to be counted
ONE PERSON ONE VOTE
it is WHAT MEDGER EVERS DIED FOR GUYS AND GIRLS
and if you don’t know who he is
just ask obama or some older black person who understands
what the Summer of Love was
…
and how the VOTINGRIGHTS ACT OF 1964
came about
i can not believe..in this party
we are EVEN CONSIDERING NOT COUNTING
MILLION SOUTHERNERS VOTES
its almost hard to comprehend
but to do it in the name of electing
the first african american nominee
seems to me
to be cheapening
the very sacrifice of so many who have their lives
in the 50 and 60′s..including the birmingham church girls
come on boys and girls
lets get real
if one wins by cheating the n umbers
its not a win by a republican [small r] political system
that is a true representational democractic party system
[just think of france not counting
one of its regions…
or russia not counting one of its
historic states as it has
and/or the chinese not counting the
burma people’s voting will as they
do
and yet…we say to over 2 million voters
sorry…but better luck next time?
what?
is this a government of the people?
or a party of “insider rules” known
and made by a very few elites
lets be real..very constitutional
issues are implicated
and the dems are risking giving
back to the republicans one of major
issues that we Started to question
GW2 over…florida election fraud
and if we don’t count florida
where Hillary did win
and would win again easily
mainly because of the Latino vote and everyone now knows it post texas, nevade and cali not too mention new jersey and parts of eastern pa
history will pay back handsomely
anyone…who tries to evade this
clear and present danger of slicing and dicing major voting states turnouts and saying…”well for this reason and that reason…you’re disenfranchised voters this year because your elected officials did something not to our liking or our insider rules
then you have set up a serious internal problem for years and for democracy itself…for decades to come
if not forever…
the goal posts were moved by howard dean who is attempting to foist
upon this party and this process
and this nation…come May 31st…
a very stringent and UNNECESSARILY punitive version of what it means to
“Play by the rules”
such talk works in the sixth grade classroom
it does NOT work in major political events and major national elections
unless one has the mentality of a sixth grade class room principle who is constantly trying to impose “obedience” standards on his captured subjects
are we howard dean’s subjects as members of this grand people’s party?
or are we americans who are human beings with certain inalienable rights
I know how robert moses and the civil rights leaders of the 1960′s viewed the answer
and it had NOTHING to do with how
the dem party rules of say 1960
Mississippe Democractic national party viewed their own then ‘current’ rules on who and who did not get to particpate in those elections in those days
sound familiar howard?
changing the goal posts?
just take a look at what the voting rights act of 1964 intends for all one person one vote rules mean
and what the modern view of constitutional right to vote means
now post Civil War and the WWI era
and let us come and reason now together
and lets see whether ro not hillary
is changing the rules
or whether
some kind of elite among us..called
the new politics of the chicago and howard dean crowd
has not given us the orwellian influenced outcome
its called in Noam Chomsky terms
“manufactured consent”
and obama’s axlerod is a master of it…and his main disciple and co creator is
howard dean’s rule making authority
Posted by: Bigtime OHioan | May 17, 2008, 10:58 pm 10:58 pm
We should all unite now, and worship Hussein Obama.
Posted by: Sandy | May 17, 2008, 10:59 pm 10:59 pm
Hill08
So tell me why I am misguided? I would like to hear what the “all knowing” Hill08 has to say about this.
Posted by: Raleigh Voter | May 17, 2008, 10:59 pm 10:59 pm
Iggy said, “doesn’t it bother you when people have enough education to form an independent opinion they reject Clinton ?” In fact, Clinton is leading in the popular vote, and if you look at the polls for the remaining primaries is is clear, she will win the nationwide vote in the end. Look at ABC news: They show her ahead when all the votes are counted. So the people of the democratic party did not reject her. They selected her. They are well educated, and based on that education, they picked Clinton. We are not going to let Obama and Dean and MSNBC steal the election from the person who won the most votes: Hillary Clinton. Get used to it. She won.
I dare any supporter of Obama to reply to this. Hillary won the most votes. Do you really believe the winner of the most votes should be denied the right to represent our party? It is only because Dean (an anti-democratic Obama supporter) is in charge of the DNC that we are even debating this any more. If the DNC steals this election from the clear winner, Hillary Clinton, we might as well live in Russia, or any other country where democracy is just a facade.
Posted by: sherry | May 17, 2008, 11:01 pm 11:01 pm
DO YOU WANT THE WAR TO END??????
Posted by: ric iowa | May 17, 2008, 11:01 pm 11:01 pm
Anyone but Hillary ’8!
Posted by: Earl | May 17, 2008, 11:02 pm 11:02 pm
Here’s a person that’s lost her attempt to win the Democratic nomination, but she keeps stumping the stump. Is this the kind of intelligence we would expect to find in our presidential office for the next term
It’s time for her to shut up & shut down. It’s over!!!
Posted by: Tony Silvain | May 17, 2008, 11:05 pm 11:05 pm
NotAfraidOfRaceCard said:
The truth sometimes hurts but it will set you free if you embrace it.
—————
This is exactly what we have been trying to tell Hill’s supporters. Thanks maybe now it will sink in.
Posted by: Go Get A Life | May 17, 2008, 11:06 pm 11:06 pm
244 Days Bush is gone. We can end Blood and Death for OIL, get started on energy independence, and fix the mess the GOP and LOBBIEST got us into.
END Voodoo Economices run by WALLSTREET INSINDERS
Go NEW 13,500,000 registered DEMs I am furious and everyone I know see RAGE when BUSH or McCAIN come on TV. They will be crushed by the furious rage of a raped nation.
Posted by: Scott wells | May 17, 2008, 11:08 pm 11:08 pm
Ponyup, darlin, my son was in Iraq, NATIONAL guard and he served as a humvee gunner and his humvee was hit by an IED,he is alive Thank you Jesus. I’m the real deal. I don’t want Obama as our president because I’m not a sheep. I’m not paying lip service, I really care about our country.
You do realize you just made an ass of yourself, right?
Posted by: Susan Powers | May 17, 2008, 11:10 pm 11:10 pm
Will you send someone you care about to die for your selfishness?
Send more men and women to die for what.
If you are willing to continue this war by voting for a canidate who supports
war, then,
SEND YOUR CHILDREN TO DIE FOR YOUR CAUSE
Posted by: ric Iowa | May 17, 2008, 11:11 pm 11:11 pm
Mama – I don’t know where you came up with God doesn’t forgive. My God does, if you repent and ask for forgiveness.
Posted by: C Good | May 17, 2008, 11:11 pm 11:11 pm
BK
its not lies
popular vote totals do NOT lie
and even ABC news and Real Clear politics are stating
IF FLORIDA VOTE TOTALS ARE COUNTED
B/c of HER LANDSLIDE WIN IN WVA LAST WEEK
she is leading in popular vote
and ust wait until after PR
she will so far ahead it will not
be even close
[by over 500,000..or so...as obama
enjoyed precisely because Florida
was NEVER added or considered until
recently]
but the people voted there and were NOT told by the party to NOT VOTE FOR A PRESIDENTAL CANDIDATE
in fact
all Floridians were told to vote and to vote strongly for their person of choice
and hillary won by over 500,000 votes
just go to abc news and check out the vote counts w/ florida included
or don’t you wish to look at reality
as often hillary’s people are said to be not doing?
do you think hillary is really that
out of touch?
then you don’t know her…she’s brighter and more engaged and more substantive on even her bad days than obama could ever be on a good day
she’s overwhelmingly bright and in touch and extremely knowledgeable including about how many votes she has actually received to date incl florida
Posted by: appalachian blue | May 17, 2008, 11:12 pm 11:12 pm
Hillary Supporters Please visit
http://www.ipetitions.com/petitions/quietriot
Posted by: Kim | May 17, 2008, 11:12 pm 11:12 pm
Pony Up…
As a mother, if my son signed up for the military, then he is serving his country…not on his terms, but his country’s terms. Would I want him to come home sooner, rather than later, of course. But I would not vote for a President based only on that. I have faith that whomever is elected will be able to accomplish that task. My worry is, that if it is not done right, then we are just asking for more trouble in the future.
For you to say that someone is “spiteful” and “small” because they are voting for who they believe to be the best leader for our country…or for whatever reason they may have.. shows that YOU fit the description that you are throwing at others.
Our troops may be “our” or “your” children, but they are men and women who chose to enlist and knew what they were getting into.
Do I believe that this war was the right thing? Well, hindsight is 20/20. While I support Clinton, I do disagree with her on ending the war. I believe it will take longer for us to “wrap it up”. While I do trust that she would do the right thing, I also trust in McCain’s leadership.
I am not going to vote for a President because they SAY they will bring our troops home. I want someone who can end it the right way, regardless if it is in a year or 4 years. There is more at stake for our country because of this whole mess and to believe that by bringing our troops home will magically make everything ok, it just wrong.
Posted by: Raleigh Voter | May 17, 2008, 11:12 pm 11:12 pm
I have a brother in Iraq. He signed up for the military thinking that he would be defending America. Instead he is fighting some unwanted war in some distant land for hostile USA “friends” and bitter enemies.
Yes I want Him out of Iraq!
Clinton Supporters who are planning to vote for Mccain, you guys should create a website and list your names. If my brother is killed under a McCain administration I would need to know who to go looking for!!!!
Posted by: This Must End | May 17, 2008, 11:14 pm 11:14 pm
Hillary, maybe it’s time you killed two birds with one stone.
1) teach the Democratic Party a long past due lesson in humility
2) Attain the Presidency
Run as an Independent.
M
Posted by: MichaeL | May 17, 2008, 11:14 pm 11:14 pm
Dear New Math,
You said, “why she continues to change the metrics of winning. They are confused as they don’t understand the new math of Hillarystein.”
Believe me, the new math is when late night caucus goers (who do not have to get up early in the morning and work, who do not have little kids to take care of, who are not old, or who are not shy, who are not late nighters) end up having 1000 times the say of people who go to the primary and vote, like we do in the general election. That new math makes some people forget that the real winner of any election is very simply the person who gets the most votes. Hillary won the only thing that matters: the most votes. It is a matter of simple justice that we use this one metric consistently in a democracy. If Obama were more moral than Bush, he would honor that.
Posted by: sherry | May 17, 2008, 11:15 pm 11:15 pm
What Does winning popular vote do for anyone. It did nothing for Al Gore and Bill Clinton hurt him like he did Hillary.
Posted by: Scott wells | May 17, 2008, 11:16 pm 11:16 pm
If the roles were reversed at this point in the primary between Obama and Clinton; MSNBC, CNN, and the NY Times would be screaming foul that the race should go on.
Wow, if you win CA, NY, NY, TX, Ohio, PN, FL, etc…the important democratic states and carry the demographic needed, you should be the number two w/no question. But there is the big boy network and Clinton fatigue/need new dem blood mindset.
I hope she takes it to the convention. Any political figure who is mentored and remains in a anti-american/anti-caucasion church for 20 years should not be elected.
If the Clinton hung out in a church and the pastor said, “Blackies are keeping us down,” it would have instantly ended the campaign. That is the reality.
Posted by: rwatt2003 | May 17, 2008, 11:17 pm 11:17 pm
Posted by: sherry
I dare any supporter of Obama to reply to this. Hillary won the most votes. Do you really believe the winner of the most votes should be denied the right to represent our party?
Sherry,
Wouldn’t you really rather wait until the 1st woman president is a woman you can be proud of rather than HRC ?
Do you really want a woman who counts votes that nobody else does ?
If she is all that popular why don’t enough people support her financially to keep her in the race ?
As for denying the winner of the popular voteAt the moment Florida and Michigan votes do
Posted by: Iggy | May 17, 2008, 11:17 pm 11:17 pm
The notion that the winner of the most votes is not the winner of the democratic nomination is a false notion. This issue is not going to go away. We will take it to the last vote of the August convention, and in the end, Hillary Clinton, will win the democratic nomination, for the single, simple, just and profound reason that she won the most votes.
Posted by: sherry | May 17, 2008, 11:18 pm 11:18 pm
The race should go on Portland in wonderful this time of year.
Posted by: Scott wells | May 17, 2008, 11:18 pm 11:18 pm
Their constant sexist attitudes towards you aren’t fooling us Hillary. We know sexism when we see it…and yes!…we know when they are not being sexist but objectively criticizing you too! We’re behind you 100 percent Hillary! If the press and the DNC don’t care about you (and millions of us!), run as Independent. We’re with you!
Posted by: gaypastor | May 17, 2008, 11:19 pm 11:19 pm
Obama is too hard to relate to.
Different upbringing: Athiest Mother, Muslim father
Went to school in Indonesi Catholic and a Muslim School
Sister is a Buddist
Pastor: Black Liberation Theology
Friendly relationship with radical terrorist: William Ayers
Louis Farrakhan and Obama were on the cover of Trumpet Magazine.
Search to research anywhere on the web.
It’s amazing that he would sneek by and win the presidency,
Would you want McCain or Hillary have this same background check and find out that they were members of the KKK or supported them.
You tube has slews of sites to review
Check it all out then ask yourself if you would trust the guy or not
Posted by: Rick from Pa | May 17, 2008, 11:19 pm 11:19 pm
McCain is the worst thing for this country.
Hillary is nearly as bad.
Obama is a crook too, but atleast he’s ok.
Posted by: caster4789 | May 17, 2008, 11:21 pm 11:21 pm
RIGHT ON, MARKO FROM CANADA! YOU HAVE SOME ASTUTE PERSPECTIVE THERE. I AGREE WITH YOU 100%. THANK YOU FROM SPEAKING OUT. CAN I MOVE TO CANADA? MY FATHER WAS BORN IN CANADA, THOUGH HE HAS PASSED ON….
Posted by: Wendy4Decency | May 17, 2008, 11:22 pm 11:22 pm
I have my money on this ending June 3. But I have been under estimating so far.
Posted by: Scott wells | May 17, 2008, 11:22 pm 11:22 pm
I KEEP READING THE COMMENTS AND IT WOULD SEEM AS IF THE PRIMARY ISSUES CONTINUE TO BE SET ASIDE FOR EMOTION. WHEN IT COMES TO THE OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENCY, OUR COUNTRY REQUIRES A LEVEL HEADED INDIVIDUAL THAT WILL PUT THE COUNTRY AND IT’S PEOPLE FIRST. TEARS UNDER PRESSURE WON’T SOLVE A SINGLE DARN THING.
WE, YOU & I NEED SOMEONE THAT KNOWS THE HORRORS OF MILITARY CONFLICT…. SOMEONE THAT WILL KEEP OUR KIDS HOME AND OFF THE FRONT LINES. OUR COUNTRY, YOURS & MINE NEEDS AN INDIVIDUAL THAT HAS STRENGTH AND IS MORALLY SOUND AT “ALL TIMES” AND IS CAPABLE OF CONTROLING HIS HORMONES. WE NEED SOMEONE THAT WILL TRY TO BRING OUR JOBS BACK HOME, STOP ALL THE NON-SENSE IN CONGRESS AND RESTORE RESPECT IN THE EYES OF THE WORLD TOWARDS AMERICA.
THE REST OF THAT B.S. MEANS -0-
THE NEXT ELECTION IS GOING TO BE YOUR FUTURE….THE FUTURE OF YOUR CHILDREN & GRANDCHILDREN IS AT STAKE FOLKS. THEY WILL EITHER SPEAK ENGLISH OR ARABIC. THAT CHOICE IS YOURS….TODAY
SO MAYBE I’M BEING A BIT TOUGH…BUT IT’S GOT TO BE SAID, PUBLISHED AND YELLED FROM THE HIGHEST POINTS. IT’S TIME AMAERICANS SAVED AMERICA
Posted by: T.Silvain | May 17, 2008, 11:23 pm 11:23 pm
Sorry Hillary, your WATERLOO is when you voted for the authorization to invade Iraq. By now, you should be the one preparing for the general election instead of Barrack. Unfortunately, he is in the right side of the issue and you are not. This is the main reason why a substantial number of democrats and independents that were allowed to vote in the primary have turned against you.
Posted by: junior123 | May 17, 2008, 11:23 pm 11:23 pm
This Must End
Thank you, someone who knows the pain of war.
How many people would send their loved ones to die for their rebelious vote for McCain, instead of voting to end the war, no matter WHO the democratic winner is.
Please think before voting, even if your upset about the primary not going the way you want. Lives depend on your vote…..
Posted by: ric Iowa | May 17, 2008, 11:23 pm 11:23 pm
I have been a committed supporter of the only candidate that has the credentials to run this country. Obviously, you know the answer. I must agree with the ex-Democrat. I am feeling this all over again when my vote did not count when Bush stole the election from Gore. All of you Obamarobots just keep drinking your kool aid. You’re a bunch of followers..a cult. He gets the college vote because they need to be inspired..we don’t need inspired, we need a leader..one that is a true American. Obama..who is he? He is a Muslim, his wife is embarassed to be American. Wake up you unethical followers…we need resolution…not more 911 attacks. Terrorists will have the inside scoop right from the White house. It ain’t happening…wake up !!
Posted by: Janice | May 17, 2008, 11:25 pm 11:25 pm
Ponyup, just to try to get you to understand. I’m typing slooow here. I sat here in the good ol US while MY son was in Iraq, well first he was called to Afganistan and I thought whew it’s not Iraq, and then they changed their mind, he was going to Iraq. I mean smack dab in the middle of the sunni triangle. Do you know how long 18 months is? It’s a very long time when your kid is awake and fighting outside the wire when you are supposed to be sleeping. I READ ALL the news. I care. I READ the issues and I don’t take mass media’s word. You don’t have a clue. If you want to be a sheep, that’s your perogative, that’s the way most of the people are anyway, it’s a game to most people until it affects them whether it be war or gas prices. You don’t hear about how many people are being killed in Iraq very much do you? It’s manipulation by the media, you WILL believe what they want. You want to be deluded into thinking Obama and those backing him care, go ahead. Obama is an unknown, the SUPERdelegates are afraid and he will be president. That’s the way it will be, but I will not shut up. Clinton cares, she should be president, and I believe she is our only hope.
Posted by: Susan Powers | May 17, 2008, 11:25 pm 11:25 pm
For the sake of our winning the White House, Democrats please stop and support Hillary,
She has 35 or more years in government policies.
She would help the most:
Don’t listen to the rich people that don’t want a tax gas, even the economist, they don’t undertand her plans
She is the only Candidate with health care for all people unlike her oponet, Barack Obama that does’t carry over 15 million Americans
Just support Hillary she has no negatives or major work to do to win the White House if he would step aside with all of his bad luggage
Posted by: Rick from Pa | May 17, 2008, 11:25 pm 11:25 pm
No to Obama
if he is the president, it is going to be more corrupt them Bush’s. He is going to bring all the dirty politics from Chicago.
go Hillary
Posted by: peter | May 17, 2008, 11:26 pm 11:26 pm
Pony Up:
Don’t chastise me dear. I never said I would vote for McCain, but I have every right to analyze the situation. Don’t lay your guilt trip on me or any other Hillary supporter. Give it up! If I don’t vote for Obama, it won’t be because I’m spiteful, it will be because I don’t think he would be an effective President, and I despise the disingenuous campaign he ran from the outset. What the hell makes you think a weakling like Obama won’t fold when it comes to ending the Iraq war?!?! US Sen Ted Stevens said Obama “folded like a cheap suit” when time to take a stand. Do some research for a change….there’s some “change” you can believe in!!!
Hillary isn’t perfect, but after 16 yrs. of unrelentless microscopic scrutiny, she comes a lot closer than most.
HRC’08
Posted by: kmb08 | May 17, 2008, 11:26 pm 11:26 pm
THANK YOU “RIC”
Posted by: T.Silvain | May 17, 2008, 11:26 pm 11:26 pm
what…keep Noam Chomsky out of the discussion?
how censorship of you
you’re sounding a bit like
…mmm…a sicko medical doctor
from vermont
remember Noam’s theory applies
across the board…
to the pentagon crowd as well
as the chicago southie’s
when they want to wrestle the power of the purse away from
persons who love the security system of america
i will give you she voted for bush’s dirty little war
but then..obama was only a suckling
to national politics in those days
and
not quite the big fat capitalistic
pig…he’s become to date
if you are going to throw hil under
the military industrial bus
you better get to the back and bring obama up to the front
…because his war funding votes
overwhelmingly follow close on the hil babe’s heels
…if he only could have proven to
the jews of new york he was as
faithful then…to them
as he seems to be now
maybe who knows..he too would
have voted for bush’s little war
but then…
the sears towers was not located
in new york was it?
i wonder indeed, if it was struck
would he not have voted in the
illinois state senate for war
maybe even his mentor
emril jones would have created
just a special “emergency”
piece of legisliation
for obama
to get street cred in chicago
it indeed…
the saudi flight air controllers
had chosen the sears towers instead of two of hillary’s backyard
skyscrapers
but then…
noam…would still not approve
of electing
a black man by disenfranchising
millions of latino minority voters
he may have just had the last laugh
on our capitlistic ways of
“manufacturing consent”
even where the system does it to
appear to be ‘liberal’ and ‘hip’
and…electing a nice clean
black man from
Honolulu…
let me ask this in clsing
don’t you think its odd
how…obama’s daddy got his
harvard degree and was then
sent back to the nation of Kenya
no questions asked…
and was this not at the very height
of the cold war?
mmm…
maybe noam would have something to
say about great big ivy league institutions using small black nations
as breeding grounds to make fathers of white young pregnant mothers
cia operatives for cold cash…
and a nice tony ivy leaque
graduation…and status…
i wonder what he learned at harvard
in those days…
when he would leave obama and head back to fight for the rights of all kenyans…
mmmm….
its too off limits…i’m sorry mr anarchaist…
perhaps…i ought to be made ‘quiet’
and stop such questioning of my
leader
Howard Dean…the great tort reformer medical doctor from
the military right wing himself…
HOOARAA!
Posted by: BigTimeOhion | May 17, 2008, 11:27 pm 11:27 pm
Its sad to see so many MISGUIDED folks still supporting HRC. She is a complete FRAUD! She has lied so many times its a complete joke. She has NO integrity or character. Her attitude is perverse…thinking she is ordained to be the PRESIDENT of the US. She and her husband are a disgrace to America. You gullible folks who support her need to face the cold hard facts. WAKE UP!!!!
Posted by: Pete Rend | May 17, 2008, 11:28 pm 11:28 pm
Seriously people. Do you think any of these Republicrats will help this country. You had a chance to vote for Ron Paul and you all blew it. Suck it up and get ready for McBush… er McCain… to lead us down the same exact path we’ve been walking the last 8 years.
Posted by: ComeonPeople | May 17, 2008, 11:29 pm 11:29 pm
Iggy, Thanks for the reply. You said, “Do you really want a woman who counts votes that nobody else does ?
If she is all that popular why don’t enough people support her financially to keep her in the race ? ”
Regarding the first point, ABC shows Hillary ahead in the popular vote on their website (unlike the Obama-biased MSNBC). It is MSNBC who is out of wack here, not ABC. Independent sources also show she is winning in the popular vote. It only happened recently though. Earlier she was behind. So in a few weeks I predict every news source will recognize Hillary won the vote.
Regarding the second point, Obama got a lot of Hollywood money early on. So it is true Hillary did not get as much money (although more than McCain did). It is not necessarily a good idea to let a few billionares like Oprah buy our U.S election. Do you think we should let Hollywood buy the election? Is that what Obama is all about…a Hollywood conduit? Besides, Hillary has been winning all these contests since March, even being outspent three to one. Why? She has the better message and she is the stronger candidate.
Do not be a poor loser. Hillary won the most votes. Tell me that means nothing to you.
Posted by: sherry | May 17, 2008, 11:30 pm 11:30 pm
I DISAGREE
McCAIN WILL NOT TAKE THE SAME ROUTE AS BUSH. THE PROBLEM WILL BE THAT HE HAS TO FIX THE PROBLEMS BUSH INITIATED / CREATED
AND THERE IN IS THE REAL TRUTH OF WHAT OUR NEXT PRESIDENT MUST DO.
CAN HILLARY DO THAT…NO
CAN OBAMA…I DON’T THINK SO
Posted by: T.Silvain | May 17, 2008, 11:33 pm 11:33 pm
and ponyup,
I went to a funeral of a man who was killed when my son served.
His Dad is a preacher.
I said to the dad “God Bless you” and he said, “he does, every day” His son was laying in his casket, right in front of us. I thanked him for his son taking care of my son and he thanked me for my son serving.
THAT is a preacher.
Those people who had signs, you know the ones from the fake church in Kansas were there, That man whose son died, the preacher said his son fought for there free speech rights. That is what a preacher is supposed to be, not hate.
Our country should be better than electing a man for president based on his race instead of his (lack of)experience
I’m done.
Posted by: Susan Powers | May 17, 2008, 11:34 pm 11:34 pm
THANK YOU
I’ve enjoyed the exchange. There are bright people left in America after all
But it’s time for me to sign off
KEEP TALKING…KEEP EXCHANGING AND SHARE YOUR OPINIONS FOR THERE IN LAYS OUR MOST PRECIOUS FREEDOM
Posted by: T.Silvain | May 17, 2008, 11:38 pm 11:38 pm
Sure are a lot of the 400 that obama hired on here to make nice with Hillary supporters
They will tell you how party should come together ,how they admire Hillary. how they would have voted for her had she won. Then we get the ones that agree with then (They are paid Obama posters too)
NO WAY !
I may be only one but ILL VOTE FOR MCCAIN TO KEEP ANIT-AMERICAN OBAMA OUT OF WHITE HOUSE
Posted by: Cathy in Indiana | May 17, 2008, 11:38 pm 11:38 pm
Janice,
folks like you who have resorted to the use of the N word have zero credibility!
Posted by: Liz | May 17, 2008, 11:40 pm 11:40 pm
Raleigh Voter says:
Our troops may be “our” or “your” children, but they are men and women who chose to enlist and knew what they were getting into. I am not going to vote for a President because they SAY they will bring our troops home. I want someone who can end it the right way, regardless if it is in a year or 4 years.
Gosh Raleigh your “my country right or wrong” thinking makes this vietnam veteran ill. I see a difference in volunteering to defend this country and being used to further a misguided presidents personal agenda. I assure you this is not what mant felt they were getting into. Our troops are being used as little more than mercenaries and forced to endure repeat tours of duty because the wars unpopularity is causing a shortage of new recruits.
The US will not have a functioning Army in 4 years without restarting the draft.
Posted by: micmacarac | May 17, 2008, 11:40 pm 11:40 pm
Even Obama’s wife has said “this is the first time in my adult life that I have been prouc of my coutnry.” Sure, like her husband, after the fact she tried to equivocate about what she meant. Read the book, Black Power and Black Theology, referenced on Obama’s website and you might find out where Michelle’s comments developed from – on page 49 of the book so prominently referred to on Obama’s church’s webiste you will find this: “To be black is to be committed to destroying everything this country loves and adores.”
Posted by: NotAfraidOfRaceCard | May 17, 2008, 11:40 pm 11:40 pm
Hillary Clinton belongs where?
Posted by: Ava Maria | May 17, 2008, 11:43 pm 11:43 pm
Pony up:
She may not win but…………..Obama cant win either without us LMAO
Posted by: Cathy in Indiana | May 17, 2008, 11:44 pm 11:44 pm
Hillary Clinton supporters are nothing more than a bunch of cry babies. A bunch of political fools who keep trying to beat a dead horse to the finish line. The truth is most people do NOT like Hillary Clinton…..and they never have.
Posted by: Dolly Madison | May 17, 2008, 11:45 pm 11:45 pm
Susan Powers wrote,
“You don’t hear about how many people are being killed in Iraq very much do you? It’s manipulation by the media, you WILL believe what they want. You want to be deluded into thinking Obama and those backing him care, go ahead. Obama is an unknown, the SUPERdelegates are afraid and he will be president. That’s the way it will be, but I will not shut up. Clinton cares, she should be president, and I believe she is our only hope.”
Thank you.
I too believe Clinton is our only hope. I believe only Clinton (not Obama) can beat McCain. The struggle now is to convince the delegates to the convention in August. This struggle will go on until she wins at the convention (unless Obama drops out or a democratic ticket deal occurs). Hillary will not drop out, because by June 3 she will have won the popular vote nationwide.
Posted by: sherry | May 17, 2008, 11:46 pm 11:46 pm
One more tid bit
Lets not get nasty
Share…talk and exchange
But don’t put the other person down for having an opinion
Opinions are like A——S We’ve all got one
Learn but don’t be devisive
Good Night
Posted by: T.Silvain | May 17, 2008, 11:46 pm 11:46 pm
dolly dear:
How come there are 400 paid obama bloggers (most on here now) trying to sweet-talk or anything else to get us to vote for him ?
Your BOY is the “LOSER”
Posted by: Cathy in Indiana | May 17, 2008, 11:48 pm 11:48 pm
Cathy in Idiana…”obama is probably watching very closely his cousin Odinga burning christians in a church so he can get pointers”
I have always wondered how low an average human being could descend,cathy has just displayed that the Human being can be one of the lowest of the lows in the animal kingdom with that nasty comment. Its probably her kind that Odinga recruits cos she would do or say anything to cause division without scruples……..Im sure after making such a comment she still see’s her self as the Epitome of Christianity…..how pathetic
Posted by: arure | May 17, 2008, 11:49 pm 11:49 pm
I will vote for McCain to keep the anti american and anti christ out of the White House.
There are to many democrates in Ohio that is voting for McCain instead. It takes Ohio for the White House.
It will also need Pa and W Va which he won’t get so let put someone in that will win that Hillary. There is no way for Obama to beat McCain in Novemeber.
Wake up and smell the roses democrates it not Obama we wanted in office. He is rotten to the core. He a sneaky snake in the grass ready to take your freedom away.
lou lou
Posted by: sharon | May 17, 2008, 11:50 pm 11:50 pm
Hill 08
i like your humble attitude
but..that is precisely the point
how can this present morass
provide us with a ‘fair and square” winner
if obama gets the nod by hook and crook
i along w/ millions of othhers and many many women for other reasons
will NOT vote for him…whatever the urge or ms clinton is forced to do for the “good of the party”
the one thing about being an american citizen and not a major pol player even as great and serious and amazing a person is hillary
…is one can still vote or not vote
for what is true and good
and like the great abolitionist told their followers prior to ABE Lincoln
it is far better to NOT vote at all
then to side w/ evil
if Obama wins this nomination in the manner this is going right now
he is worse than mccain…because i specifically hold the dems to a much higher standard than what the bushies did in florida and in some measure in ohio in the last two elections
we MUST not condone the undemocratic tactics of howard dean’s ‘play the rules i’ve created’ legalistic applications
wherein millions of voters votes are being used and have been used as a fraud one of teh biggest in our modern history
against the very democratic foundations of what it meant to acheive
the voting rights at of 1964
one person one vote
is a concept that generations of all people and all gender and all person
waited and waited and fought
and many many died and sacrificed careers for
so why do we as a party…
give this amazing legacy away
to form over substance
and allow our principles to be usurped?
even if the ends seem to justify a means of nominated a black male
i think mrk jr would turn over in his grave
if he understood that by electing a black man
this was done on teh backs of disenchranchising hundreds of thousands of votes…
and it would make robert kennedy
say…
despite his widow and brother ted present stsances
say
“this is unacceptable”
that was his kind of powerful but true understated moral compression statement
that he became known for
remember…rfk died..in june …not april, not may
but june…
because the primary system of the dem party ..WAS FAR FROM OVER
even that spring…when he entered the fray..very very late in the game
so much for rules…
and timing
we need a historical truthful result to get us past the problem howard dean’s punitive approach has created for all of us…mainly all democrats everywhere…
at the cost of even our own party’s
birthright …one person one vote
Posted by: appalachian blue | May 17, 2008, 11:51 pm 11:51 pm
Obama is the one that campaigned for Odinga in Kenya ,NOT ME !
and he was U S Senator at the time
So now that nicy-nice doesn’t work for you
You are back being “VILE”
Posted by: Cathy in Indiana | May 17, 2008, 11:54 pm 11:54 pm
Hill wrote, “I don’t care about Wright. Wright is not running for President. Obama denounced him already so that argument is over for me.” Again, like Anarchyjack and many other Obama supporters, she is ill-infomred. Here is a quote from Obama himself, “I think that people were legitimately offended by some of the comments that he [the United Church of Christ minister Jeremiah Wright] had made in the past. The fact he’s my former pastor, I think, makes it a legitimate political issue.” Obama is right, it is a “legtimate political issue” and only the voters will decide when and if it ceases to be an issue. If Hillary loses as I expect her to, Republican operatives will burn Obama’s rear good with it.
Posted by: NotAfraidOfRaceCard | May 17, 2008, 11:54 pm 11:54 pm
Know What, I have read enough ignorance for the night! Hill supporters you need to get a grip. She has lost. We need to move on as a party.
Voting for McCain as revenge only illustrates how small minded some people are. If that describes you then so be it.
It is Saturday Night and I have a party to attend. Bye All!
Posted by: Democrats Unite! | May 17, 2008, 11:55 pm 11:55 pm
Hey, I heard Hillary Clinton has a 15-inch swastika tatooed on her back and is known to commit bestiality with cloven-hoofed animals at midnight in barnyards underneath an inverted cross.
I hear this is pretty reputable information.
Posted by: Aaron | May 17, 2008, 11:56 pm 11:56 pm
Hill – what facts were wrong?
Posted by: NotAfraidOfRaceCard | May 17, 2008, 11:56 pm 11:56 pm
Ignore these pundits – they have been in the tank for obama for the last year. Keep on fighting Hillary – don’t give up. We need you in the white house. If Gore or Kerry had even half of the fight – they would be in the white house. They were easily defeated.
Posted by: judyco | May 17, 2008, 11:58 pm 11:58 pm
Dillusional!
You actually think Hillary is going to run as an independant?? That’s the funniest thing I’ve heard someone make up in their little heads.
The Democratic party would tear her and her hole family to shreds and we’d ALL get stuck with McSame because a few of morons would actually vote for her.
WAKE UP!
Posted by: T Haw | May 18, 2008, 12:00 am 12:00 am
Yo Yo Ma,
You said, “The popular vote is bogus.”
I believe the nation-wide winner of the popular vote will be ratified by the party convention, to be the winner. Hillary will be sworn in as president. The era of preexisting conditions for health care will be over. The war will come to an end.
We will enjoy a noble and strong president who will fight for right for America for eight years.
What do you believe, other than some third world comment like, “The popular vote is bogus.”?
Posted by: sherry | May 18, 2008, 12:02 am 12:02 am
Cathy in Indiana go take your meds! Sick 8itch.
What evidence do you have? None? Well Hillary was a first general in Ghadaffi’s army.
Oh and dont forget that Brad Pitt is also Obama’s cousin. How does that rock your world!
Posted by: To Cathy of Indiana | May 18, 2008, 12:02 am 12:02 am
Why I have to continue support the Party who does not care the voices of Dem Voters in Michigan, Florida and majority Dem voters in big states?
Posted by: stock_craft | May 18, 2008, 12:02 am 12:02 am
Go Hillary, never ever quit until the Superdelegates at the convention say’s it’s curtains down for you, don’t listen to the gender-biased media or Obama’s staffers and supporters, but only your supporters on this one, because you still have millions of males and females black white, mexican, latino supporters who still support you and have your back, we are going to support all the way to the DNC Convention, we’re no quitters either, anyone who’s suggesting and demanding that you quit and hand over the nomination to Obama is just whistling dixie, because you are in this race to win it for us common folks, I have three degree’s,big deal, but I don’t look down on those’s who don’t, and think I’m better than anyone, because I’m not, Obama and his and powerful, rich, educated supporters look down on average American voters and think their money entitle’s them to their choice of President just because they gave Obama’s campaign large sum’s of money, it’s like they are trying to buy obama the Presidency,
Well, Hillary has the popular vote, and she did it without the huge sums of money the Obama campaign has to spend on dirty and slizzy attack ads. Hillary is the stronger candidate, if we go with Obama, we will be calling Senator McCain President McCain next year, because the Republican switboat team is just waitn in the wings to knock Obama to his knees when they start revealing all the dirt they have on him, Obama want be able to stand this strong vetting and scrutiny, Obama’s going to wish he had of dropped out of the race and let Hillary have the nomination after they get through destory him Politically.
Posted by: DarrellP | May 18, 2008, 12:06 am 12:06 am
Susan Powers, You are unable to comprehend the situation of someone in active combat and support like yours is an embarrassment to all servicemen. The less you say the better.
Posted by: MicMararac | May 18, 2008, 12:07 am 12:07 am
If Clinton is not the nominee, I will not vote for Obama because I don’t want Chicago style politics to pervade Washington. Even McCain is a safer alternative. Besides, the democratic party has cast off the Clinton supporters so we are free to vote for whoever we want. And the same goes for the pundits that we will watch. The internet offers many alternatives if TV does not cover Senator Clinton’s amazing campaign.
Posted by: JKR | May 18, 2008, 12:08 am 12:08 am
JKR
thats right…they really dont know how to win fairly so they bought the media and the supeerdelegates and theres not enough room in washington for chicago and washington poltics… the riteous and good will win out that is Hillary! We will teach Obama thing or too about karma!
Posted by: ncdem | May 18, 2008, 12:10 am 12:10 am
stock_craft:
You don’t “have to” support any party or candidate you do not wish to. Here’s the Big Secret:
It’s still a free country and you can excercise your free will and vote for whomever you wish! Ain’t it grand?
Posted by: Aaron | May 18, 2008, 12:10 am 12:10 am
sherry,
I hope you are right. I am praying the superdelegates wake up and see the light.
You’re more optimistic than I am. I don’t think the popular vote will count.
Look up brokered convention.
I am hoping the rules change for the ddemocratic party.
From what I understand where I live if do a write in, it counts for the democratic nominee, not for who I write in.
I’m in a quandary of what to do. I am thinking of not voting. If anyone has any other ideas other than voting for Obama or McCain I want to hear them. If Clinton is out of the race I won’t vote for Obama.
If Obama wins by superdelegate vote, it will be McCain who wins the election.
Posted by: Susan Powers | May 18, 2008, 12:10 am 12:10 am
Hillary had a chance at health care with a democratic controlled congress a democratic president for a husband.
She screwed it up so bad her plan didn’t even have the support of other democrats. She hasn’t kept any promises in upstate New York and the region job loss has increased. The lady has accomplished nothing on her own other than marrying well and even her husband couldn’t help her enough to pull off this sham on America
Posted by: Iggy | May 18, 2008, 12:15 am 12:15 am
Susan powers
Dean did the DNC in when he disallowed FL and MI that gives Clinton the right to fight through the convention it will be a brokered convention and th superdelegates will do their duty in that situation which is to give it to the candidate with the popular vote lead and the biggest draw in electoral college votes for the fall.. case closed!
Posted by: ncdem | May 18, 2008, 12:15 am 12:15 am
This Obama character is scary. I don’t
trust him for even a milasecond.
Go Hilliary.
Posted by: bokwop | May 18, 2008, 12:16 am 12:16 am
Obama’s relative, Osama, released a video. hahaha, proud fully paid for by Obama.
Posted by: NEXT | May 18, 2008, 12:17 am 12:17 am
Cathy in Indiana provides us with a link debunking the claims she wants to bring to light.
Pathetic. Too stupid to be funny.
Posted by: Aaron | May 18, 2008, 12:18 am 12:18 am
ncdem
The superdelegates vote for who they want to or are paid to vote for, not on the popular vote.
That is a fact.
Posted by: Susan Powers | May 18, 2008, 12:19 am 12:19 am
Posted by MaryinTampa: “Obama CANNOT carry Florida in the fall. He is scheduled to fundraise in Florida next week and there are HUGE protests organized at each stop.”
Great news! I hope the protests are so loud that I hear them here in Texas!
GO FLORIDA! BOO him back to Chicago.
Posted by: LindaJ | May 18, 2008, 12:19 am 12:19 am
Wow, if there are this many hate-filled people in this country who want to attack people in their own party even, I want to get the hell out.
No wonder Obama and McCain won’t use the negative campaign tactics, it’d freakin’ destroy the country.
I don’t hate Clinton. I just don’t think America should become a de facto monarchy where Clintons and Bushes are forever rulers. The name game needs to stop.
And the hate game needs to stop.
Posted by: Bob | May 18, 2008, 12:20 am 12:20 am
Appalachian Blue, I feel you on this.
If people wanna complain, so be it: Democracy (or is it a Republic? ha ha).
Just, sometimes, it works counterproductive, you know.
Posted by: GordonWayneWatts | May 18, 2008, 12:21 am 12:21 am
Appalachian Blue, I feel you on this.
If people wanna complain, so be it: Democracy (or is it a Republic? ha ha).
Just, sometimes, it works counterproductive, you know.
Posted by: GordonWayneWatts | May 18, 2008, 12:21 am 12:21 am
Keep donating and working for Senator Clinton. Obama is going down. The GOP has some real dirt on him and his racist wife. The dummies running the DNC are the ones in denial. Maybe Kennedy is coming out of denial about his annointed and that’s why he’s having seizures. What, he didn’t know that there is a tape of Michelle reanting along with Wright and cracking on Whitey? You just cannot unite the country when you’ve lived as racist and renegade. I’d be having seizures too if I had staked the reputation of my family political dynasty on a flyweight fraud. GO Hillary! Forget the press. Blogs are the best source of news these days.
Posted by: hugo | May 18, 2008, 12:22 am 12:22 am
Don’t give up Hillary go all the way to convention and get the superdelegates take them away from him for once. If obama get in we won’t be able to sleep at nights.
McCain at least we can sleep.
Email Howard Dean let him know how Obama can’t win in November. Let your voices be heard.
Write him everyday if that what it takes to help Hillary at the convention.
Posted by: sharon | May 18, 2008, 12:22 am 12:22 am
obama is such a LYING Flip-Flop
Now he’s wearing a flag pin
Now he stand in frot of a cross(instead of seated at Trinity Church )
Now he crawls to Mi ana Fla begging for votes
ROFLMAO
Posted by: Cathy in Indiana | May 18, 2008, 12:22 am 12:22 am
Bob
thats it just get out of the party and go.. the democratic party does not have the names liberal left on the end of it!
Posted by: ncdem | May 18, 2008, 12:23 am 12:23 am
Democrats Unite,
Why I have to continue support the Party who does not care the voices of Dem Voters in Michigan, Florida and majority Dem voters in big states?
Posted by: stock_craft | May 18, 2008, 12:23 am 12:23 am
Cathy In Indiana
that is hillarious… they are really not ready for prime time… seriously! using GW Bush as a model… absoultely histarical!
Posted by: ncdem | May 18, 2008, 12:25 am 12:25 am
Geez Gordan – please dont tell these people they do not live in a democracy
Posted by: Iggy | May 18, 2008, 12:26 am 12:26 am
Keep going Hillary! We support you!
Posted by: Mike | May 18, 2008, 12:26 am 12:26 am
Keep going Hillary! We support you!
Posted by: Mike | May 18, 2008, 12:26 am 12:26 am
stock_craft
thats right you handle Democrats unite… I had to listen to that bs all night long last night!
Posted by: ncdem | May 18, 2008, 12:27 am 12:27 am
Don’t be fooled. The strategy being employed on these blogs is an old one. “Divide and Conquer”. Many are republicans posing as Clinton supporters claiming they will support McCain if she doesn’t win. They are designed to convince Clinton supporters to suppress the democratic vote. These posts have intensified, now that Obama is almost certain to be the nominee. Don’t be fooled, it is one of the strategies that has worked for republicans before. One that encourages the people to vote against their own best interest. Remember the recent race in Mississippi where they used the same old tactics of negative campaigning that they always use. Remember swiftboating, Remember adding issues to the ballot like “same sex marriage” in order to get the republican vote out. How about Caging Lists. We really don’t want 4 more years of Bush policies or we would not be democrats. Don’t be fooled.
Vote Dem in Nov.
Posted by: NotSuprised | May 18, 2008, 12:28 am 12:28 am
Notsurprsied
dont you even go there we are not Repubs… but we will divide Obama supporters and he will not win the election and doesnt have a right to the nomination consdering broken rules!
Posted by: ncdem | May 18, 2008, 12:30 am 12:30 am
ANARCHYJACK,
Your name speaks for itself. Typical Obama hogwash. I am an immigrant, a Democrat (obviously), and I am not naive like you. You butt munch, you and Obama give me gas.
Posted by: NEXT | May 18, 2008, 12:31 am 12:31 am
I just want to add, whenever Obama twisted words to make his case, he lost me. The ads about not taking money from special interests. No-one may take money from corporations, he has taken money from corporate individuals. The preacher fiasco, please don’t try to tell me Obama sat in his church and didn’t know all this extremist nonsense. The extremist supporter who threw a party for him. How about how Obama became a senator and backstabbed his friend? That little thing about clinging to religion, it was in a room kissing up to people, he would not have said that in Pa. He will do anything to win. This is all about Obama, and really I’m tired of the last 8 years of lies. I don’t need more. Obama really really scares me.
And really isn’t it time we can be honest, if race isn’t supposed to matter?
I am not a white stupid trailer trash person if I don’t want to vote for him, does anyone really think this is a good way to convince anyone to vote for him? I do realize that putting someone on the defensive draws attention away from the original point. The point is, he has a golden tongue but that is all he has, and even then he only has a golden tongue when it is rehearsed or plagarised.
Clinton has lost money on this, she cares, she cares enough to fight for us, those of us who know she wants to change this country and knows she has the experience to do that.
Posted by: Susan Powers | May 18, 2008, 12:31 am 12:31 am
all you anti Obamite’s we have heard you…………everyone is entitled to thier own opinion but plssss just stop the insults, defamation,negativity……….and just calmly wait for Nov. to vote Mcain…(if thats what will make you feel better). its really as simple as that, you dont need to get your blood pressure up Obama bashing just vote your choice Nov.
Posted by: arure | May 18, 2008, 12:33 am 12:33 am
ncdem,
I will go there, and often. The posers know who they are. The only thing that it truely important her is the big picture.
Dem in O8 period.
Posted by: NotSuprised | May 18, 2008, 12:33 am 12:33 am
susan powers
absoultely! Obama got advice or his advisers did from some repubs doing double dipping trying to create chaos we will preserve the constitution and the correct way of the democratic nomination process if that is denied we will run as an independant and win… BO will never be president!
Posted by: ncdem | May 18, 2008, 12:34 am 12:34 am
NotSuprised,
I will vote for Dem if and only if they nominate a good candidate in this November.
Posted by: stock_craft | May 18, 2008, 12:34 am 12:34 am
God bless you, Hillary!
May He support your cause and bring you a victory!
Posted by: april | May 18, 2008, 12:35 am 12:35 am
Notsurprised
none of the people I have talked to on here are republican posers that support Hillary…please just accept the fact that BO will not be president we will take the nomination that has been won fairly or will beat BO in the GE as independant period!
Posted by: ncdem | May 18, 2008, 12:37 am 12:37 am
arure
once again you are accussing us of doing what you yourself are doing… its not gonna work.. you will accept Hillary as the nominee period!
Posted by: ncdem | May 18, 2008, 12:39 am 12:39 am
From a mad black woman, the democrats will unite and cast our votes to McCain or write-in Hillary. Our votes will be a protest against the DNC party for their handling of this race and the bad treatment against Hillary and Bill. The DNC will be surprised in GE (big win for McCain). You can not mistreat use and then expect us to give our votes to your freely, not this time. Go Hillary. The fight is now between the use and the DNC and media.
Posted by: cmyvote2008 | May 18, 2008, 12:40 am 12:40 am
stock_craft,
I agree but, I would add “better than McCain. In my opinion, both Dems are so…consider:
Vote Dem in Nov.
Posted by: NotSuprised | May 18, 2008, 12:40 am 12:40 am
There is no way I could put my X in front of Obama name and sleep at night.
Who want the anti Christ and anti America in the White House i don’t.
So don’t tell me to stay democrate party. I have been democrate for many years and I am so disappointed in them this year.
We need to get rid of Howard Dean and put someone in that will get of there butt and work for once. Obama has paid Dean off so why work.
GO HILLARY GO
Posted by: sharon | May 18, 2008, 12:40 am 12:40 am
susan is right
if hillary is such a crude delusional
sicko power grabbing femb…
then…
why does she think
Ohio went for her
Pa went for her
wva went for her
and
tenn and ok and nevada
and
all the time being outspent 3 to 4 to 1
just putting her heart into her message and trying to reconstitute her
views which are simply SO much more
Substantive on health care and educational issues and childrens issues and social security and etc etc etc
and
i wonder why she thinks she is in till the end
hell she only won texas, florida and new york and new jersey and california
and…all those midwest states just mentioned above
Ted “phat boy” K man..would have
climaxed in his pants to have
won EVEN ONE FOURTH OF THESE STATES WHEN HE RAN AGAINST JAMES CARTER
in 88
and jessica jackson would have
NEVER STOPPED RUNNING UNTIL THE END OF THE WORLD OR HIS LAST MARRIAGE
IF HE HAD WON PA AND OHIO AND TEXAS AND CALI
but this white b…h…can just
find the closest exist door
and get THE H L OUT NOW!
right all your new england white boys…
right?
i mean…do what a good little white girl is supposed to so when she is screwed…
and is made to take it up the …
by the big howard dean boys club
in a gang like situation
just..take it and move on
well howaqrd…there are a few of men out here…
all stupid and white and ugly and making under 50,000 …
and we are going to defend our little
white trash girl from scranton
OK??
Posted by: bigtimeOhioan | May 18, 2008, 12:41 am 12:41 am
KKK
Im afraid you have the wrong math… Obama we will hold up the nomination process because BO is holding up MI and FL because if the DNC seats them he loses… when Clinton gets the popular vote … he loses… BO will not be president…
Posted by: ncdem | May 18, 2008, 12:41 am 12:41 am
Bigtimeohioan
John Edwards really doesnt like Obama because he cookedc his goose by endorsing him… Obama will look silly in KY losing by 30 or 40.. the truth and justice and the right candidate Hillary will prevail!
Posted by: ncdem | May 18, 2008, 12:43 am 12:43 am
We can debate 24/7 about the
electability issue.
Hussein is un-electable in november.
He lost all the big states with the most electoral votes.
It’s impossible to get 270 electoral
votes in november.
Posted by: Nicholas | May 18, 2008, 12:43 am 12:43 am
To All Clintonites: Even WITH MI and FL Hillary still DOES NOT have the popular vote. Get used to it. She lost fair and square. If you want to vote for McCain, then so be it, but stop whining about it. Your only doing yourself, our party and millions of Americans who are losing jobs, their homes, their lives, lack of affordable healthcare and a decent education a great disservice. McCain goes against EVERYTHING Hillary represents. He is against women’s right to choose even in the case of RAPE and INCEST, he is against EQUAL PAY for women, and his idea of sex education is abstinence-only sex ed.
Hillary and Barack have basically the same policies. He has NEVER disrespected her in any way. He simply followed the rules (When Bill won heavily in caucus states, they weren’t saying how un-Democratic they were then). Your candidate fought a good fight, but her campaign discounted a lot of things throughout, but if out of anger you choose to cut off your nose to spite your face then that is on you.
Posted by: Monique | May 18, 2008, 12:43 am 12:43 am
stock_craft “Democrats Unite,
Why I have to continue support the Party who does not care the voices of Dem Voters in Michigan, Florida and majority Dem voters in big states?”
From a mad black woman, the democrats will unite and cast our votes to McCain or write-in Hillary. Our votes will be a protest against the DNC party for their handling of this race and the bad treatment against Hillary and Bill. The DNC will be surprised in GE (big win for McCain). You can not mistreat use and then expect us to give our votes to your freely, not this time. Go Hillary. The fight is now between the use and the DNC and media.
Posted by: cmyvote2008 | May 18, 2008, 12:45 am 12:45 am
NotAfraidOfRaceCard,
I think Obama was 20 years late to distinct himself from Wright and Mr. Wright was on his campaign until I. you and Americans saw the news on TV.
Posted by: stock_craft | May 18, 2008, 12:45 am 12:45 am
Sharon
yea Obama looks like the actor that playhs the antichrist in a discovery channel cocumentary Ive seen … not saying he is but that wright stuff just exposes him to accusations like that!
Posted by: ncdem | May 18, 2008, 12:46 am 12:46 am
ncdem,
I disagree, they respond to these blogs and articles nightly. They are mostly short sighted posts that try to insight anger or hatred of the other candidate. Myself, I am more concerned with policy, the war my grand children. Our status in the world, oil prices. Darfor, Health Care for all etc.
Dem in O8 period.
Posted by: NotSuprised | May 18, 2008, 12:47 am 12:47 am
Monique
not according to Realclearpolitics even the media biased towards Obama have said that if MI and FL are counted Hillary wins btu they say Obama wont accept that… Obama will lose either way and you will accept it!
Posted by: ncdem | May 18, 2008, 12:49 am 12:49 am
Obama is against Americans. He hates America because America educated him and gave him a 2 million dollar home.
Posted by: NEXT | May 18, 2008, 12:51 am 12:51 am
Hillary is gone. no matter how much she speaks out she is gone.Those who want her to be a President is because they really want Bill in the White House,hypocracy at it’s best. Obama will become the nominee and McCain will beat him because we know that Obama cannot win the white vote.The outcome is clear America and I will not vote for neither one of the three.
Posted by: Frank | May 18, 2008, 12:51 am 12:51 am
Notsurprised
no offense but I will not vote for Obama period, and I am a democrat there is a way for Hillary to win as an independant the math was done back in Feb when Mi and FL were disallowed so a democrat will win just not Obama!
Posted by: ncdem | May 18, 2008, 12:52 am 12:52 am
Hillary/ The new Nader?
Posted by: Andrew | May 18, 2008, 12:52 am 12:52 am
Frank
that is what you hope but that wont happen either…
Posted by: ncdem | May 18, 2008, 12:53 am 12:53 am
Obama…packaged for your consumption, by your friends at the MSM! Keep an eye out for the Obama and Rev Wright action figures at your local fast food establishment.
Posted by: Mack | May 18, 2008, 12:55 am 12:55 am
Hello from the real world
you are mistaken
Hillary has more votes on that comittee that she will force to count Mi and Fl or she will run as an independant! Obama will not win .. he loses because he doesnt have the popular vote… he loses because he cant carry big electoral states in the GE he will be forced out period… that will happen and you will accept it!
Posted by: ncdem | May 18, 2008, 12:56 am 12:56 am
1 + 1 = 3
Clinton Syndicate ’08
Posted by: heinstein | May 18, 2008, 12:56 am 12:56 am
Monique
you sound as if your are trying to defend what you know to be untrue
just head to the ABC and real clear politics pages…
and you wil find..what numbers hillary has
and when puerto rico votes
my nice obama girl..and i’m sure you are fine…and this means no disrepect
but pr..will put an end to the numbers game once and for all
hillary stands to obtain K in pr
i mean K on the barrel head
she’s going to be SO FAR out ahead
its going to be
like going to
to a GREAT BIG CINCO DE MAYO PARTE!!
…ESTE eSPANOLE!!!!!
..this is the NEW MATH MY BABY BOO
and its true…
i’m headed for pr soon to help GOTV
been to give states for my girlie girl
you ought to get real and join you’re gender……
and see what it’s like to find out
what exactly the power of an intelligent woman can do for
for…
other women…of all races and nationalities and…
…for a few men and children too
its literally …amazing
and just wait…the hil babe
will be coming back to the mainline
w a GREAT BIG MARGUERITA SIZED SMILE
on JUNE 3rd…
w/ hundreds of thousands of votes in her right hand pocket too!
Posted by: bigtimeOhioan | May 18, 2008, 12:57 am 12:57 am
Not afraid of the race card
good for you!
Posted by: ncdem | May 18, 2008, 12:57 am 12:57 am
Go!Hillary Go!!!
Posted by: RobertC | May 18, 2008, 12:57 am 12:57 am
I think Hillary’s had too much Maker’s Mark! She does not lead in the popular vote–unless you disregard caucus states and include votes from FL and MI (Obama getting zero from MI as his name wasn’t on the ballot.) Also, as pundits all tell us, the primary election is no reflection of the general. I mean, do you really think CA and MA are going to vote for McCain? Do you think WVa would really vote for Hillary?
Posted by: anokie | May 18, 2008, 12:57 am 12:57 am
To Susan Powers: Thank for the information about the write-in. I will cast my vote to McCain. Can not affort to give my vote to Obama…no write-in
Posted by: cmyvote2008 | May 18, 2008, 12:59 am 12:59 am
Q x B! +
Clinton Syndicate ’08
Posted by: heinstein | May 18, 2008, 12:59 am 12:59 am
HELLO FROM THE REAL WORLD,
You are obviously not from this planet and need to get a life.
Posted by: NEXT | May 18, 2008, 1:00 am 1:00 am
I am so glad to see that so many of you are saying that you will write Hillary’s name in on your ballots instead of voting for McCain or Obama…
If Hillary for whatever reason decides not to run as an Independent, then starting a write-in campaign for her will become the only other option….
Just make sure to check your state voting laws on write-in candidates, and make sure you do it correctly or else it won’t count. I think every state has their own version of the write-in voting law.
Those wonderful, incredible ladies who are organizing the “Obama Boycott” in the swing states might want to look into channeling their energies into a “Hillary Write-In Campaign) instead of a voting boycott. If it’s done correctly, we still have a good shot at having Hillary for our President. They could starting checking out the rules for write-in voting in each state and put that information up on their website, and instead of an Obama Boycott of McCain victory….it could possibbly help Hillary win..
Either way, we won’t have OBAMA for President……..
Posted by: SandyB | May 18, 2008, 1:04 am 1:04 am
ncdem,
Respectfully,
I admire your passion but Hillary does not have a chance to win as an independent. The money is not there for her to compete. The vote will be divided. Remember Ralph Nader. The math does not support realistic projections because there was not fair completion in those states. The electorate will be divided across the whole country. In our history we have not encountered this particular situation so historical patterns are out the window….If we don’t unite we are looking at McSame. Think about this, a lot of people voted for Bush… twice even knowing he lied to us. Think of what we are dealing with here. I believe just as passionately that I don’t want more of the same. And I to believe that we are not stupid enough to vote in 4 more years of Bush policies.
Dems in 08
Posted by: NotSuprised | May 18, 2008, 1:05 am 1:05 am
NCDEM…,”once again you are accussing us of doing what you yourself are doing… its not gonna work.. you will accept Hillary as the nominee period!”
NcDem……Im sure you will never find a blog from me bashing Hilary, all Im saying is if people are so unhappy with Obama then they should feel free to vote Mcain in Nov. ….instaed of coming on here and calling him anti-christ,closet muslim,asking him to return to his country….com on how petty and childish do we have to become to make a point.
Posted by: arure | May 18, 2008, 1:06 am 1:06 am
come on down maan…
its going to be a great big
HILLARY LOVE FEST IN PR
and ONE GREAT WAY TO BOTH GOTV
AND KILL THIS POPULAR GHOST BEAST
DOES EVERYONE KNOW HOW MANY P RICANS VOTE IN THEIR ELECTIONS
ITS LIKE CHINA VOTING DOWN THERE
ITS EASILY ON ECONOMY OF SCALE
LIKE TWO BILLION OR SOMETHING
[well i exaggerated a little
but its close
just wait all those pundits
and don't give a craps...
will be eating tortillas
and drinking tequilla after
we get done w/ all those
wormy bottled evenings spent
gotv in pr...
and h illary babe..will have yet
another democgraphic notich in her belt
and the supers...if they are even
slightly ..given to
eating the worm...
will have to note
just HOW NOT THE OTHER MINORITES
IN THIS NATION
[except latte liberals and college
students for naiviatte]
wish to vote for the
hil babe…
…its going to be a pantsuit revolution…
and its going powder blue soon!
Posted by: bigtimeohioan | May 18, 2008, 1:06 am 1:06 am
Obama isn’t going to campaign in Kentucky, gives more excuses including the “fact” that the people in Kentucky know Hillary better because she’s from the bordering state of Arkansas, and he’s from Illinois.
Another gaff from this great pretender! Illinois borders Kentucky, Arkansas doesn’t! Excuses, excuses, excuses, and more excuses from the most inexperienced, out-of-his-league nominee in modern times. He won’t even have a town hall meeting in Oregon like Hillary did, just going to give one of his “inspirational” speeches on Sunday night. I will never cast a vote for this fraud, never, not ever.
Posted by: Grammy Barb | May 18, 2008, 1:06 am 1:06 am
If Hillary Becomes President, then a setting President with an impeached President in the White House. Then who will run the White House, Hillary or Bill?
Posted by: American | May 18, 2008, 1:07 am 1:07 am
SandyB: Thank you SandyB. I will do my research here in Atlanta.
Posted by: cmyvote2008 | May 18, 2008, 1:09 am 1:09 am
Him No Vote in Ponce, Due to Ponce Massacre, and Don Q…
Clinton Syndicate ’08
Posted by: heinstein | May 18, 2008, 1:09 am 1:09 am
The democratic leaders are a bunch
of idiots.
They nominate an un-electable candidate.
Are they ever learn???????????
Americans will not vote for Obama-an
ultra left liberal.
White voters already said:
NO OBAMA.
Posted by: Nicholas | May 18, 2008, 1:10 am 1:10 am
NCDEM, Thank you!
You Obama supporters can kiss Hillary’s sunshine. She will win, burn baby baby burn. HILLARY WE LOVE YOU AND MAY GOD BLESS YOU YOU PEOPLE LOVING HUMANITARIAN.
Posted by: NEXT | May 18, 2008, 1:12 am 1:12 am
Him No Thinks Girl Get Votes…
Him thinks Girl Cheat…
Clinton Syndicate ’08
Posted by: heinstein | May 18, 2008, 1:12 am 1:12 am
Edith-
No satire here. Just a person who reads, analyzes and makes conclusion based on facts.
The beauty of politics is that the few lead the many because the many are too weak and feeble to understand what they need.
“It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain an idea without accepting it.”
-Aristotle
Posted by: T Ross | May 18, 2008, 1:13 am 1:13 am
I’m afraid of Americans…
I’m afraid I can’t help it…
D. Bowie.
My love runs cold, my memory has just been sold, my angel in the Centerfold…
J. Geils.
Clinton Syndicate ’08
Posted by: heinstein | May 18, 2008, 1:16 am 1:16 am
Please pay attention to your write in vote laws, a write in vote for Hillary Clinton in Pa. will go to Obama’s electoral college voters as the democratic nominee and they wil vote for Obama. It is pointless to have a write in campaign, check your states laws, some have you write in every electoral college person who would be a Clinton supporter in order for your write in to count. My state is not like that, my write in for Clinton would go to Obama. Every electoral college vote is equal to 10,000 popular votes. They are not held to popular vote but generally they do abide by the popular vote. It’s a iffy thing because there has been no prosecutions of electorals who did not abide by this.
The democratic convention to decide the democratic nominee with the superdelegates are not held at all to popular vote. The decision if Obama is the nominee is Obama or McCain or not to vote. If you do not vote then it’s one less popular vote going to either of them.
Posted by: Susan Powers | May 18, 2008, 1:17 am 1:17 am
cmyvote2008,
I respect your decision, supporting Hillary Clinton although you are Black. Actually, we don’t want to vote for Mr. Obama not because of he is too Black or too White but because he is too Green to handle the job of a US President.
Posted by: stock_craft | May 18, 2008, 1:20 am 1:20 am
Cmyvote 2008:
I’m here in New Mexico, sometimes called an important “swing state,” with the illustrious Governor Richardson (Mr. Carville was just being kind when he called him “Judas”), whom I once supported in his elections, but will NEVER vote for again….
Anyhow, if you have other organizers here in my state that I could assist, or if you could tell me some way that I could help, just let me know. If you already have a website going I could check the laws here and see what’s what. I know in 1980 here in our 2nd Congressional District the guy who won did so by a write-in campaign. So it CAN be done….there was another female write-in candidate as well, the widow of the man who had previously held the seat. She actually went around the state holding workshops and showing people the correct way to do write-in voting, and that’s how they were able to pull it off. Of course that was before the days of the Internet, where all of the information can be conveniently posted.
I write on these blogs almost daily so you can usually find me here….
Posted by: SandyB | May 18, 2008, 1:21 am 1:21 am
This one’s for “Kim,” who posted an extraordinary letter earlier today, which was removed by this web site. Kim, a LOT of us read your letter, and took the liberty of re-posting it to another site or two. So every word is still intact, exactly as you wrote it, and now we hope it will be read by many, many others.
Posted by: Denise-Mary | May 18, 2008, 1:21 am 1:21 am
Blah blah blah, him try say something uber smart to defent Klintonian viewpoint. Blah blah blah, him try win over gamblers, whisky drinkerz, and coal minerz… Blah blah blah, him make erudite commentz about societal flaws solvable by Klinton only.
Him acuse all otherz of being Dumb.
Blah, blah, blah…
Nobody carez.
Clinton Syndicate ’08
Posted by: heinstein | May 18, 2008, 1:22 am 1:22 am
Please quit playing the race card and saying that white people will not vote for Obama because he is black. There is another side to that and that is without being said some people are using color of skin as an excuse for voting FOR Obama. It’s old and tired and really very, very stupid. It’s about facts about Obama’s character and lack of experience. What we have to decide about him is what is out there, and what is out there, just is not good.
Posted by: Susan Powers | May 18, 2008, 1:23 am 1:23 am
AnarchyJack,
You do not understand English I think. How am I a bigot when I stated a fact here. Hillary is a humanitarian. Your evil kenevil has done nothing for anyone, but himself. You are pro Hamas and anti American because you support Obama. You will be one of the many morons that will ruin America because you have no common sense to see that this man is a fraud.
DNC-YOU ARE AWESOME
Posted by: NEXT | May 18, 2008, 1:24 am 1:24 am
84 out of 88 counties
in ohio
went by 64% or better for hillary
she won toledo…20% black, youngstown
30% black
akron suburbs..40% highly educated
cleveland suburbs mainly white and highly educatd
all hillary…by overwhelming margins
in southern ohio…71% hillary
the same in west texas…
the same in pa…
and
she won cali, she won new york new jersey
she won tenn, she won ok..and she won arkansas…and Rhode Island and Mass
so…not too mention..wva..where no dem has won the white house since 1916 without winning wva…in the fall
no dem has ever won teh white house since 1964 w/ losing the Ohio primary
and on and on and on
and she will have the popular vote
BY THE RULES
AFTER PUERO RICO..which is ADDED BY RULES OF THE PARTY
she will have the numbers..far ahead of o man…AFTER JUNE 1
that is WHY dean is meeting on the 31st..and promising a winner
because…PR will make it VERy VERY clear who is the popular vote leader
and those major state electorial college leader
it does NOT MATTER WHO HAS THE MOST
IT MUST BE WHO WINS THE FINAL COUNT
and if we choose as a party to dis enfranchise
florida and michigan
and…we choose to ignore and place second
on the ticket
the person who actually won convincingly
all the states in the eastern midwest ohio, pa and wva and ky and indiana
and then ignore her major come from behind victories in cali and other majors…
then we might as well…under the proproational delegate count
just give up the notion of making a true genuine bid for the white house in this generation…
its silly to think we will thru this experienced woman under the bus
in teh name of
affirmative action presidential democratic party delegate counts
its just distrubing
that the dem national party is being
“hoisted on its own pretard…”
of affirmative action politcal correctness
and we have to be force fed…
the notoin
this guy actually won the true delegate counts
when
houson and columbus ohio were weighted far and above heavier than
the southern forty four counties of ohio
and those in the heavy latino regions of texas and cali
its sickening to think we will need to get our first aa nominee
by hook and crook …and a dem party
hand out system…
in contrast to the voting rights act
of 1964 methodology
of one person, one vote
simply and profoundly ironic
and historically
misnomerish
Posted by: appalachian blue | May 18, 2008, 1:24 am 1:24 am
Even if you’re for Obama, you should be honest enough to understand Hillary’s frustration with the news media. The media, joining forces with the DNC, has pushed Obama for at least three months (maybe longer). The news media helped sink the Republicans’ best candidate; now they’re doing it to (or for) the Democrats. I don’t think Obama is dishonest; he didn’t pay all the networks to support him, so the question remains: WHY? What’s in it for the news people if Obama is elected President?
Posted by: Rhys | May 18, 2008, 1:26 am 1:26 am
There are so many articles wondering why Hillary Clinton is stil running. Yes, she may be trying to change the rules and/or hope for some final magic trick that will make her the winner. But I suspect she is more realistic than what meets the eye. She might well be working on her next book deal. That is why she is sticking it out. What sounds better as a book theme: “Why I stuck it out till the end”
or “Why I quit with three pirmaries left”?. After all, book deals have greatly contributed to her newfound wealth…. Wealth that has suffered some attrition with her campain debt. She also has a ready-made audience with all the women who have projected their hopes on her.
Posted by: all_done | May 18, 2008, 1:27 am 1:27 am
SandyB: I will call around next week for more information about write-in laws per state and contact you on this post. I will try to start a web site for Hillary write-in or Hillary for independant. Independant would be great too.
Posted by: cmyvote2008 | May 18, 2008, 1:29 am 1:29 am
When him Getz phd and workz for NSA and him know super secret knowledge that only top end politicos know; him know then that hiz unfaltering coal miner support for Klinton wuz write.
Clinton Syndicate ’08
Posted by: heinstein | May 18, 2008, 1:30 am 1:30 am
The Queen of Appalachia
Way down there, in West Virginny
they counted votes, cast by the Hillbilly.
Obama didn’t strike, too much of a chord
with rotten-tooth, tobacco-chewers, drivin a Ford.
Hillbillies there, they think it’s a sin
to vote for a man, who has black skin.
Net gained delegates, were only a dozen
Hill won cuz, she looked like their cousin.
Hill thought she, could bask in the glow
Obama had a surprise, don’t ya know.
John Edwards stepped, upon the stage
all Hill could feel, was a bit of rage.
Hillary, Hillary how’d ya like that?
must have felt like a slap, slap, slap.
The air whooshed out, of Hillary’s balloon
left her looking like, some kind of buffoon.
As a tribute now, to West Virginny
she’s a changin her name to Hillbillary.
Posted by: NorcalRuss | May 18, 2008, 1:37 am 1:37 am
Susan Powers: I agree, people must know their state laws before writing in Clinton’s name, because at worst it is a vote for Obama, at best it doesn’t count. So don’t let the Obama bloggers talk you into writing her name in before you know what the consequences are in each state!
I want my vote to count, so if the DNC is dumb enough to continue this charade and nominate Obama, I will the first in line in November to vote for McCain and every other Republican whose opponent has supported the arrogant, inexperienced, ambitious Barack Obama.
Posted by: Grammy Barb | May 18, 2008, 1:37 am 1:37 am
Anarchyjack,
You are the wimp.
Posted by: NEXT | May 18, 2008, 1:38 am 1:38 am
Senator Clinton was ready from day one…..She had formally proclaimed/predicted and preceived to have this democratic nomination secured by February 2008….What happenned Senator Clinton?
Posted by: valerie | May 18, 2008, 1:38 am 1:38 am
ncdem
its called liberation theology in catholic circles..in some ways very close
and yes because of its marxist ties
liberation theology while it has certain appeal and has a strong poor persons component
was openly and seriously decried by Pope John Paul II
he was strongly against using the marxist models for christian outreaches
…
i don’t have a problem w/ freedom of speech issues or criticzing america
per se..its american to do so
but to pastor a christian flock
on such heated rhetoric is
not what Apostle Paul had in mind
i’m afraid…
…i think many many AA preachers
would agree…
…but…beyond wright
is /are the myterious ties
to the folks who obama keeps having to “decry” himself
the radical palestinian terrorist leader who said…”obama is a friend”
and
the Hamas
who have openly endorsed him and stated publicaly that they would prefer him as president against anyone else
creating a “staged rejection” of this endorsement by him
but giving room then for Axlrod head
to say…”oh, by the way hamas
thank you..geeze we did not know you
were so interested…could you please donate a couple billion to our effort here…right here is the download button…”
well that last sentence was exactly how he said thankyou but he did say
the words…’we thank them for their consdieration”
right?
so…bush wasn’t being too far off
calling out the o man on israel
…can o man be trusted?
everyone says…”o yea”
and everybody i have campaigned w/ on the ground says
“oh no”
and we have spoken to literally thousands of americans
from pa, to ohio to nc to wva and many others
and many voice…their “innate feelings of distrust over this guy”
there is a true disconnect and believe me its not the “dubm white guy”
crowd…its multitudinous…
Posted by: bigtimeohioan | May 18, 2008, 1:38 am 1:38 am
OBAMA’S RACISM EXPOSED: The problem I have with Rev. Wright’s church, is that Rev. Wright, by his own admission, preaches black liberation theology, which is a very racist theology based upon the conflict between the “black oppressed” and the “white oppressor”. That is why, for example, Rev. Wright portrays Jesus as black, and his murderers as white, because that is the only way that the story of Jesus will fit with his theology. That is also why so many of his statements are framed as black and white issues (e.g. “rich white people”; Natalie Holloway was a “white girl” who “gave it up” on an Aruba beach; the “garlic nosed” Italians in the time of Jesus who killed Jesus were “white people”). Consistently making the point that Jesus was black and his murderers were white is very much like the bigoted fundamentalist Christians who continually make the point that the “Jews killed Jesus.” We all know what that is code for; that means that the Jews are evil, as a group, and responsible for the murder of Jesus. Rev. Wright is guilty of the same type of bigoted rhetoric.
I would recommend to all those interested that they research black liberation theology, and in particular, the writings of James H. Cone. Rev. Wright acknowledges that Cone is one of his theological mentors, and the church’s website recommends his book “Black Theology and Black Power.” I have the book, and have read it cover to cover. Here are just a few quotes from the book about this theology:
(1) “To be Christian is to be one of those whom God has chosen. God has chosen black people.” (2) “While it is true that blacks do hate whites, black hatred is not racism.” (3) “All white men are responsible for white oppression.” (4) “Theologically, Malcolm X was not far wrong when he called the white man “the devil.” (5) “If there is any contemporary meaning of the Antichrist, the white church seems to be a manifestation of it.” (6) “Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community. Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love.”
My problem with Obama attending this church for 20 years is that it speaks to his character and judgment. If I were to attend a white racist church for 20 years, and considered its white racist pastor to be my “mentor and spiritual adviser,” it would not be unreasonable to assume that I’m a racist. In Obama’s case, the converse is also a reasonable assumption.
Posted by: Arthur | May 18, 2008, 1:41 am 1:41 am
BTW, Obama is the only logical choice for the majority of the middle-left (and centrist-right); he will soundly defeat the old guy, and the esteemed lady is old news, and only hanging on by her last name.
It is sad how she preys on and manipulates her (remaining) base. The word “pandering” is a bit of an understatement and is too kind.
Perhaps the words “mass exploitus social engineerus qom polling statisticus” (to abuse and bastardize the Latin) would help explain the entir e Clinton political strategic rationale.
Keep believing though, or vote for McOld… That will help change things for certain.
Albert.
Posted by: heinstein | May 18, 2008, 1:43 am 1:43 am
i’m all for what wright said about the italians …
making them more responsible for the killing of Jesus than teh jews
but then…i think he was just trying to get in good w/ the jews..right?
HA HA HA HA HA
but we all know
OBAMA WAS NOT LISTENING
TO THE ITALIAN JOKE NOR THE PALESTINIAN FOOLS TALK EITHER
he was …too busy sleeping on michelle’s beautiful shoulders dreaming of his unwhite father …while disdaining his typical non italian working white grandmother
cringing about those italian style lynchings
Posted by: italianlynchingstyle | May 18, 2008, 1:44 am 1:44 am
OBAMA’S RACISM EXPOSED: “Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community. Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love.”
Obama’s so-called religion – black liberation theology.
Posted by: Doug | May 18, 2008, 1:44 am 1:44 am
As an addendum to my post about race, a lot has been said about appalachia. Appalations have a work ethic and a morals ethic. It’s in a persons upbringing. You can be poor, but you will work hard and you will always have food as long as you have hands to grow food, and don’t ever try to BS a person because there is nothing as bad as a liar. Obama is a a facade with nothing behind that would lead a person to believe he is what he pretends to be, he is a man who wants to be president, nothing more, nothing less, when he went behind closed doors and looked down his nose at us without understanding our values he made happen what always happens when people do that, we turned our backs on him, he cannot be trusted. The whole “I don’t take money from special interests”, it was a distortion. The evil preacher thing, what can I say about that, people making excuses for a man who believes this country gives black people drugs and puts them in prison. Aids is a disease that can happen to anyone of any race, to believe it is some great conspiracy is absurd. To believe that The Obama’s did not know or espouse this belief system is incredulous. Appalachia as a whole believes in taking responsibility for your own actions, no excuses. Even Clinton and the Bosnia thing, that was stupid, but she owned up to it. Everyone can make a mistake and to be fair throw me in Iraq even with armed soldiers and I will feel threatened and I will be in fear.
When Obama speaks in a debate and when he wasn’t being treated with kid gloves, his golden tongue disappears, (I think that’s why he wouldn’t debate Clinton anymore) he is like a celebrity trying to build an image, not build a country, and in building an image when truths come out about his character that’s exactly when his supporters make the excuse that no-one likes him because he is black and then by and large the uneducated white traier trash comments start. It really makes Obama and his supporters look bad.
Posted by: Susan Powers | May 18, 2008, 1:44 am 1:44 am
NCDem:
No, actually when they refer to the N.M. election as a “caucus,” it is something of a misnomer, because it is called a “presidential preference caucus,” but in reality is conducted as a regulary primary…
So no one was “rigging” the caucuses, but I will tell you a true story of what the State Democratic Party did do:
I sent the Party a request for an absentee mail-in ballot well before the request deadline stated on the application. When it got to be the day before the mail-in ballot had to be postmarked, I placed a call to the State Democratic Party to advise them that I had not yet received my ballot. The person I spoke to on the phone stated: “Oh, it’s coming……we just got behind in mailing a bunch of them out so it should be coming.” When I pointed out the mailing deadline was the next day he told me: “Oh, that’s OK, we’ve extended the deadline…..”
I continued waiting for my mail-in ballot, but still never received it before the election on Super Tuesday. So, I had to go down to the polling place and stand in line, and when it was finally my turn, I informed them that I would need to use a provisional ballot, because I had not yet switched my registration from my old precinct to the new precinct. So, I cast my vote on a provisional ballot.
When I got home from work that day, AFTER I had already voted, lo and behold, my mail-in ballot was sitting in my mailbox ON THE DAY OF THE ELECTION!!!!
So, who knows how many other potential voters in my state in my situation who had requested a mail-in ballot, but never received them before the election, and didn’t know the process well enough to go to the polling place and request a provisional ballot, so didn’t get to vote.
Obviously enough people did know enough to cast provisional ballots, because counting the extremely large number of provisional ballots was the big excuse the State Party gave for the results being so delayed here…
So, was the non-mailing of the mail-in ballots an attempt to “rig” the election here on Super Tuesday?
Who knows?? But I do know that the head of our State Party (which ran the election), Brian Colon, is one of our “super” delegates who recently threw his support to Obama.
You do the math……………
Posted by: SandyB | May 18, 2008, 1:45 am 1:45 am
A lot of the posters here need a good shot of reality. First of all, Hillary won’t win, and if she does, it’s a vote for McCain at this point. Second, unless McCain screws up something awful, he’ll take the GE in the fall. He’s going to start distancing himself from GWB and steering toward something like Reagan’s policies and attitudes.
NONE of the candidates this year are worth voting for. Just like the last two elections. My vote in November won’t be a contest between two great Americans, it will be, just like it was with Gore v. Bush and Kerry v. Bush…which candidate do I hate the least.
Any of you who plan on voting Democrat this year had better plan on getting your social security number tattooed on your forearm and watching your civil liberties just melt away. Between forced health care, higher taxes, insane goals for peace, and republican rhettoric, the Dems will lead this country straight down the crapper. That makes me very sad….the party has forced me out and I’ve become Independent-leaning-to-Republican over the last 16 years instead of a staunch Democrat. The world is changing and they are not keeping up. Wake up people.
Posted by: Kevin | May 18, 2008, 1:46 am 1:46 am
Oh Hillary, Hillary, Hillary, what are you hoping for? What are you trying to prove? There is a big difference between not quitting and knowing when to pack up and leave with dignity. Would you rather destroy the party than lose? Why do you want the nomination so desperately? Would you like your husband to admit that it was you, and not he, who oversaw the affairs of the country during the Clinton years in the White House? Would that make you feel better? You should have negotiated that early on in the campaign. However, your big mistake was to assume that you had the title to the nomination(ass u me). You made a mistake and understimated the Illinois Senate. You blew yourself up. You and your husband have already made asses of yourselves, so get out and let the campaign begin.
Posted by: exatlantic | May 18, 2008, 1:46 am 1:46 am
The Hamas openlyh endored Barry O man for president…several weeks ago
was duly buried..until the jewish press and journals brought it to light
all the more reason to have o man
on cue ‘denounce hamas’
only to have
his campaign manager ‘say..but we do
thank them for their thoughts…’
hamas for obama…
maybe diplomacy is a good thing after all o man?
certainly …a cash donation to the
next most electable guy for us white house…is not a bad thing after all
Posted by: HamasforBO | May 18, 2008, 1:52 am 1:52 am
OBAMA WAS THE FIRST TO PLAY THE RACE CARD — Philadelphia Inquirer
Quietly, the storm over the hateful views expressed by Sen. Barack Obama’s pastor, Rev. Wright, has blown away the most insidious myth of the Democratic primary campaign. Obama and his surrogates have charged that Hillary Clinton has deliberately and cleverly played the race card in order to label Obama the “black” candidate.
Having injected racial posturing into the contest, Obama’s “post-racial” campaign finally seems to be all about race and sensational charges about white racism. But the mean-spirited strategy started even before the primaries began, when Obama’s operatives began playing the race card – and blamed Hillary Clinton.
Had she truly conspired to inflame racial animosities in January and February, her campaign would have brought up the Rev. Wright and his incendiary sermons. But the Clinton campaign did not. And when the Wright stories and videos finally did break through in the mass media, they came not from Clinton’s supporters but from Fox News Network.
Although Wright had until recently been obscure to the American public, political insiders and reporters have long known about him. On March 6, 2007, the New York Times reported that Obama had disinvited Wright from speaking at his announcement because, as Wright said Obama told him, “You can get kind of rough in the sermons.” By then, conservative commentators had widely denounced Wright. His performances in the pulpit were easily accessible on DVD, direct from his church. But Clinton, despite her travails, elected to remain silent.
Instead, she had to fight back against a deliberately contrived strategy to make her and her husband look like race-baiters. Obama’s supporters and operatives, including his chief campaign strategist David Axelrod, seized on accurate and historically noncontroversial statements and supplied a supposedly covert racist subtext that they then claimed the calculating Clinton campaign had inserted.
The Obama campaign and its supporters pressed this strategy after Clinton’s unexpected win in New Hampshire. Pundits partial to Obama, including Eugene Robinson of the Washington Post and John Nichols of the Nation, instantly mused that their candidate lost because of supposedly bigoted New Hampshire whites who had lied to pre-primary pollsters – an easily disproven falsehood that nevertheless gained currency in the media.
Next morning, Obama’s national co-chair, Jesse Jackson Jr., cast false and vicious aspersions about Hillary Clinton’s famous emotional moment in New Hampshire as a measure of her deep racial insensitivity. “Her appearance brought her to tears,” said Jackson, “not Hurricane Katrina.”
Obama’s backers, including members of his official campaign staff, then played what might be called “the race-baiter card.” Hillary Clinton, in crediting both Lyndon Johnson as well as the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. for the Civil Rights Act in 1964, had supposedly denigrated King, and by extension Obama. Allegedly, Bill Clinton had dismissed Obama’s victory in South Carolina by comparing it to those of the Rev. Jesse Jackson in the 1980s. (In fact, their electoral totals were comparable – and in the interview at issue, Clinton complimented Obama on his performance “everywhere” – a line the media usually omitted.)
Thereafter, Obama’s high command billowed further race-baiter allegations into the media. Pointing to the notoriously right-wing Drudge Report, Obama’s campaign manager David Plouffe accused the Clinton campaign of deliberately leaking a supposedly racist photograph of Obama in African garb, which actually originated on still another right-wing Web site. Finally, David Axelrod trumpeted Geraldine Ferraro’s awkward remarks in an obscure California newspaper as part of the Clinton campaign’s “insidious pattern” of divisiveness.
Since the Philadelphia speech, the candidate and his surrogates have sounded tone-deaf on the subject of race. On March 20, Obama described his Kansas grandmother to a Philadelphia radio interviewer as “a typical white person.” The same day, Sen. John Kerry said that Obama would help U.S. relations with Muslim nations “because he’s a black man.” Another Obama supporter, Sen. Claire McCaskill of Missouri, called him the first black leader “to come to the American people not as a victim but as a leader.” Her history excluded and conceivably denigrated countless black leaders, from Frederick Douglass to Rep. John Lewis. Obama remained silent, refusing to take Kerry and McCaskill to task for their racially charged remarks.
Neither candidate can win sufficient elected delegates in the remaining primaries to secure the nomination, and so the battle has moved to winning over the super delegates. Obama’s bogus “race-baiter” strategy is one of the main reasons he has come this far, and it is affecting the process now. But by deliberately inflaming the most destructive passions in American politics, the strategy has badly divided and confused Democrats, at least for the moment. And having done so, it may well doom the Democrats in the general election.
Posted by: Ed | May 18, 2008, 1:52 am 1:52 am
To ncdem
and those who are like minded,
These blogs can be very entertaining but when I go in the voting booth and cast my vote I will be thinking about the mess our country is in right now and the fastest most effective way to get us out of it. Employ any strategy you like. Waste as much time and resources fighting as you want. You will more than likely be support those that have oppressed the middle class in this country for far too long.
I believe and hope the majority of the people are awake now and thinking far above this current democratic argument.
I am voting for positive change. It is apparent Hillary is not going to lead this change and Obama is. In the military it is said. Lead, Follow or Get Out of the Way. We must all make a choice.
Enjoy the debate….Peace, I’m Out…..
Vote Dem 08
Posted by: NotSuprised | May 18, 2008, 1:54 am 1:54 am
him no have energy to keep reading illiterate postz from Klintonianz…
him know Truth. it must hurt Klintonianz to know Truth two. just az much az Blue Dress.
him now go study Debian Remote Worm exploiting the SSH Random Number Seeding Vulnerability.
Clinton Syndicate ’08
Posted by: heinstein | May 18, 2008, 1:55 am 1:55 am
There are two kinds of bloggers on this page 1.The Republicans who are using the devide and rule tactic(they pose as Hillary supporters 2. The unschooled and uneducated Hillary who the polls revealed time after time(they are going to vote for McCain) These are the people who would look at you and with a straight face tell you that the economy is good and gas is 75 cents a gallon
Posted by: Earl | May 18, 2008, 1:57 am 1:57 am
From Dreams of My Father, ” I FOUND A SOLACE IN NURSING A PERVASIVE SENSE OF GRIEVANCE AND ANIMOSITY AGAINST MY MOTHER’S RACE”.
Barack Obama
From ‘Dreams of my Father’, “The emotion between the races could never be pure, even love was tarnished by the desire to find in the other some element that was missing in ourselves. Whether we sought out our demons or salvation, the other race (WHITE) would always remain just that: menacing, alien, and apart.”
Barack Obama
From Dreams Of My Father: “That hate hadn’t gone away,” he wrote, BLAMING “WHITE PEOPLE ? some CRUEL, some IGNORANT, sometimes a single face, sometimes just a faceless image of a system claiming power over our lives.”
Barack Obama
From ‘Dreams Of My Father’, “There were enough of us on campus to constitute a tribe, and when it came to hanging out many of us chose to function like a tribe, staying close together, traveling in packs,” he wrote. “It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your LOYALTY TO THE BLACK MASSES, TO STRIKE OUT and name names”
Barack Obama
Posted by: Ed | May 18, 2008, 1:57 am 1:57 am
Everyone have a good night and remember, this is real, it isn’t a game and it matters.
Find your facts about the candidates and the way your vote counts (or doesn’t) and don’t do a write in because it will go to the democratic nominee, go to your states voting site and search to see exactly what your states voting laws are. If you have no choice then don’t vote. We need to work on the general rules for the nomination as in the electoral college needs to go away as well as all this superdelegate nonsense. To realize your vote really doesn’t matter really puts things into perspective and makes a person feel like a fool, and that has to stop. This truly is a lie and a mainpulation of the biggest magnitude to allow us to think out votes count. The system should change or we need a revolution to make it happen, whatever that entails. We need to figure out a feasible way to fight this lack of voice for the American people.
I do believe this is a tactic to make sure McCain wins, Obama being the nominee d/t superdelegates as well as superdelegates being afraid of race riots. Obama is not a feasible choice for president.
Posted by: Susan Powers | May 18, 2008, 1:58 am 1:58 am
that is true…
Hamas did publicly and strongly endorse O man for president..and stated they looked forward to working w/ him…
..well before NC and IN and wva primaries
obama later, denounced this endorsement
[he has a string of such "denials" by now doesn't he]
but…this is perhaps why Bush had a direct statement to make about
negotiating w/ Hamas like groups
and seemed to direct the comments at
Obama
..maybe G W 2 knows something we dont’
and maybe its not that michelle
is truly mad at obama for keeping
a cell phone number of oprah…
would would have known?
Posted by: appalachian blue | May 18, 2008, 1:59 am 1:59 am
Obama should quit the race. He is a loser.
Posted by: Leon Fainstadt | May 18, 2008, 1:59 am 1:59 am
Obama should quit the race. He is a loser.
Posted by: Leon Fainstadt | May 18, 2008, 1:59 am 1:59 am
The media, the DNC and the Democratic Party elite has tried to shove Obama down our throats for many months now. In spite of this, Hillary is still fighting hard to protect this country against the most deceptive and divisive candidate in modern history. Dean, Pelosi, Kennedy, Kerry and the rest of the party establishment are going to get a big surprise in November, should Obama be the Democratic nominee, when he is soundly defeated by voters crossing over to McCain from their own party. We Democrats who will not sit idly by and let this dangerous wing of the party seize control will fight on, because we love our families and our country more than the Democratic Party, which is now only a shadow of the party of hope and promise it purports to represent.
Posted by: Alice | May 18, 2008, 2:00 am 2:00 am
I also want to mention your uncontested ambition in your quest for the White House. Two time FIRST LADY, as we all know your husband as a two term Commander In Chief. That is quite an accomplishment that will hold a place in the history of our country. With that kind of respect/loyalty/reverence and most of all dignity…What happenned?
Posted by: valerie | May 18, 2008, 2:01 am 2:01 am
Everyone good night and God Bless.
Posted by: Susan Powers | May 18, 2008, 2:02 am 2:02 am
Hey cmyvote2008:
Check this out:
http://www.writehillaryin.com
It looks like someone else is thinking the same way we are……WOW!!! Maybe we could all band together and really get something going here !!!!!
Posted by: SandyB | May 18, 2008, 2:03 am 2:03 am
The uneducated,unschooled Hillary supporters who the polls allude to time after time are the ones who are going to vote for McCain if Obama is the nominee. These people are in the minority..the majority of Hillary’s supporters are decent, smart,real democrat who will rally around and vote for Obama should he be the nominee. I know because I’ve met many of them. So don’t be despondent with the uneducated Hillary supporters..leave them alone to waffle in the cesspool of stupidity. Democrats all the way to the white in 08! I do not care who the president is..as long as he/she is a democrat.
Posted by: Earl | May 18, 2008, 2:03 am 2:03 am
Klinton Should Quit Race. She is a Loser.
How eazy.
Go Get a GED, and Quit Coal Mining…
Black Lung must constrict respiration; and hence limit onez pithy remarkz.
Albert.
Posted by: heinstein | May 18, 2008, 2:04 am 2:04 am
Obama has:
Most of the popular vote;
Most states won;
Most caucuses won;
Most delegates won;
Most Super delegates
Come on Hillary, don’t let the facts stop you. Maybe you have some voodoo you don’t even know about.
Posted by: rhbate | May 18, 2008, 2:06 am 2:06 am
I was just wondering if any of you Obama supporters know that guy who voted for Obama in West Virginia in their primary. If you do, please tell him I said hi.
Posted by: Sally | May 18, 2008, 2:08 am 2:08 am
Ninak
i think you just showed you’re ignorance…about the quote about wva
…its so true…
read the words carefully
hil babe did NOT lie about the 1916 issue
she stated clearly …since then…
no dem has won the white house w/o winning the state of wva…
andyou said..
‘what about bill in 92 and 96…
…and i say to you
‘and’???????????????
bill did it BY WINNING WVA
THAT’s THE VERY POINT NINAK
my adversarie…
that’s the very point…
and it rather than shows her lying
is supportive of her very point
on one wins the big house w/o winning that state
they have a strange nose for winners down in that stupid white state
….
now..she did not orginate the stupid white person comment…
she quoted AP press release
and…
chris mathews and
K oberman
and
Tim Russert
and EVERY SINGLE OTHER CNN ANCHO WHO EVER STATED THE VERY SAME THING ABOUT HER SUPPORTERS
i know because i am one
and took offense EVERY TIME ONE OF THESE SO CALLED NEWS REPORTERS STATED
WE WERE AMONG THE SWHIL SUPPORTERS
but now…i am proud to confess
I AM A BITTER WHITE GUY WHO IS CLINGING TO MY GUN AND MY RELIGION FOR
SUPPORT DURING THIS TOUGHT TIME IN OUR DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY
Posted by: appalachian blue | May 18, 2008, 2:11 am 2:11 am
Ooopz, him forget that grazz roots Klintonianz must not have computerz or must Dial Up long distance, so therefore (dot dot dot) it followz that most Klintonianz posting messages here must be paid advocates, or brainwashed coal miners with DSL.
Coal miner analogy: (c. 1935, as an argumenative aide) The Canaries alerting the Clinton Syndicate are all motionless and unresponsive. Hmmmm…. maybe we should leave the Mine.
Albert.
Posted by: heinstein | May 18, 2008, 2:11 am 2:11 am
It was a slam-dunk that Hillary would win in West Virginia. It was her demographic: The old, stupid, ignorant, uneducated, tobacco-chewing, moonshine-drinking, snuff-sniffing, meth-making, cow-sh*t kicking, inbred, redneck, racist, hillbilly hick. Most of them are related to each other. Obama probably won the three college-educated young males who probably left the state by now to avoid being lynched by the good folks.
Posted by: rhbate | May 18, 2008, 2:13 am 2:13 am
ncdem, If you happen to be one of those unschooled Hillary supporters then you need to go vote McCain and leave us Democrats alone..I got under your skin did’nt I because you are probably a Republican posing as a Hillary supporter or you fit the profile of the formentioned uneducated Hillary supporter. I’m a real democrat..I am not an Obama groupie nor Hillary groupie..I am a democrat and I don’t care who the nominee is be it Hillary or Obama..I am voting democrat…I would have to be blind,dumb and deaf to vote McCain to continue the failed Republican policies that have taken this country down the abyss of despair and yes people are angry and we are going to show our anger at the polls come November..Don’t tell me that I am unpatriotic because I’m angry!. Democrats 08!
Posted by: Earl | May 18, 2008, 2:13 am 2:13 am
Sandy B wrote:
Hey cmyvote2008:
Check this out:
http://www.writehillaryin.com
It looks like someone else is thinking the same way we are……WOW!!! Maybe we could all band together and really get something going here !!!!!
YES, SANDY, THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT WE SHOULD DO. SPREAD THE WORD THAT WE NEED TO DO EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO DEFEAT OBAMA.
Posted by: Alice | May 18, 2008, 2:13 am 2:13 am
i will melt if a liar is elected,fraudulently.oh Bosnia.please this person has used all tricks in the book.
Posted by: willy | May 18, 2008, 2:14 am 2:14 am
sandy
come on…dont be sarcastic
about that obama supporter in wva
…
i just ran into him…
and he’s not very bitter at all
but he did have his gun drawn…
was saying
“Hamas, long live Hamas!”
and oddly he also was not an arab looking guy at all
but kind of looked like
Axlerod…
thus,
i think Axlerod must be the one who
voted for o man in wva…
Posted by: appalachian blue | May 18, 2008, 2:17 am 2:17 am
“We are the party of the people, the coal miner, the waitress, the truck driver. We don’t need any elitists in our party. Therefore I am going to loan my campaign another 6.4 million in addition to the 5 million I’ve already lent them. After all, this is supposed to be the party of the working man and woman”
Posted by: rhbate | May 18, 2008, 2:17 am 2:17 am
Hillary probably would be the nominee if she wasn’t so calculating and ruthless. She has sown bad seeds and they have come back to haunt her.
Posted by: dee dee | May 18, 2008, 2:19 am 2:19 am
WE WISH TO GO ON RECORD AND STATE THAT WE SUPPORT BARACK OBAMA. He is our lord and savior, and he shall deliver the world from sin.
Signed,
Louis Farrakhan
The Nation of Islam
Hamas
The New Black Panther Party
Rev. “GD America” Wright
William “the bomb” Ayers
Al Sharpton
Tony Rezko
Oprah “I used to go to Obama’s church but got out just in time” Winfrey
And various other racists, terrorists and indicted individuals.
Posted by: White House Residents | May 18, 2008, 2:20 am 2:20 am
Him leave now with immortal wordz of David Allen Coe (for all Klintonianz enjoyment):
I was drunk, the day my momma, got out of prison… And I went to pick her up in the rain… But before I could get to the station in my Pickup Truck… She got runned over by a damned ol’ train…
Cheerz everyone.
Albert.
Posted by: heinstein | May 18, 2008, 2:21 am 2:21 am
Question:
I am not a conspiracy theorist. I was just sharing a true story that happened to me with our State Party.
However (just for the sake of argument), as approximately 95% of the counties in New Mexico did go for Hillary, and they were all the less-populated, traditional Hispanic, or rural counties where she usually thrives, and one of these counties is where I reside, maybe (IF there indeed was a conspiracy), knowing these areas would be most likely to deliver for Hillary big time, the State Party could have targeted and deliberately withheld mail-in ballots for these areas……
Again, this is just for the sake or argument. I’m not saying this is what they did; however, I don’t think they would have to necessarily be psychic to figure out which counties hold the biggest majorities of the Hillary supporters………..
Posted by: SandyB | May 18, 2008, 2:21 am 2:21 am
ncderm, If Hillary run as an indepedant and wins..God bless her and will support her..more importantly for than being a rabid Hillary or Obama supporter is My country..I want my country to be better..and I know that anyone but the Republicans will be better for the country..I am not an obama supporter as some of you might think but if he is the democrat nominee I’ll vote for him and encourage others to..If Hillary is the nominee I’ll do the same..If she runs as an Independant..then I’ll vote for Obama because I am a proud democrat! If she wins then I’ll support her as my president..Anyone but a Republican is alright with me
Posted by: Earl | May 18, 2008, 2:22 am 2:22 am
me thinks no man w/ brain supporta o man
me thinks stupid white guys support
my babe
me think’s she’s hotter than him
me thinks she’s getting the shaft by big black guy
Posted by: hienystien | May 18, 2008, 2:22 am 2:22 am
It was a slam-dunk that Hillary would win in West Virginia. It was her demographic: The old, stupid, ignorant, uneducated, tobacco-chewing, moonshine-drinking, snuff-sniffing, meth-making, cow-sh*t kicking, inbred, redneck, racist, hillbilly hick. Most of them are related to each other. Obama probably won the three college-educated young males who probably left the state by now to avoid being lynched by the good folks.
Posted by: rhbate | May 18, 2008, 2:25 am 2:25 am
Is anybody keeping track of all the groups the senator has targeted to blame for her situation? Many of them have been useful to her in the past. Such as African Americans and members of the press?
Posted by: Gaias Child | May 18, 2008, 2:25 am 2:25 am
The uneducated, unschooled Hillary supporter baloney is ridiculous. Hillary supporters are like other voters. They are average Americans, some graduating from high school, others having gone to college, there are professionals, and, yes, probably some drop-out from school. However, if they are for Hillary, they have good judgment in my book, regardless of their educational level.
I will not vote for McCain…I can’t bring myself to do that. He needs anger management training. Anyone who would call his own wife a c**t will never get my vote. Not only that, he is another dark age thinker…trickle down economics is for him, blame-the-homeowners-for-losing-their-homes is his view of the housing tragedy, and he’s a let’s-keep-those-unfair-tax cuts kind of guy. That is not moderate thinking; this is not wise leadership. I would rather have Obama than that, but I haven’t given up on Hillary.
Posted by: Two-cats | May 18, 2008, 2:26 am 2:26 am
haha
Hillary who?
Posted by: steve | May 18, 2008, 2:28 am 2:28 am
Obama supporters, Calling Hillary supporters names will not get him votes.
Posted by: Two-cats | May 18, 2008, 2:34 am 2:34 am
ncdem, me thinks you are a Republican posing as a Hillary supporter. The fact is if Hillary runs she would not receive the black vote and she cannot win..remember blacks are and have been the most loyal democrats..were it not for the black vote Bill Clinton would not have gotten two terms..may I remind some of you that the black vote went 87-92% for Bill Clinton in 92/96. Some of you did not have a problem then..when this campaign started polls showed that Hillary had much more black support than obama but when Bubba went to the Carolina and injected race into the contest..blacks were turned away. Democrats 08!
Posted by: Earl | May 18, 2008, 2:39 am 2:39 am
The dems have fooled people into thinking they are the working class party. It’s the opposite.
Bill Gates is for obama.
so is Warren Buffet.
What does that tell you?
If it says nothing to you… go vote democratic. You deserve what you get.
They’ve suckered the country over the last 20 years. When you point fingers you’re pointing into a mirror. Takes one to know one, get it?
The Republicans are for the people. The democrats are for the destruction of this country. But again… go ahead and vote for them. If you’re that easily fooled the world is probably better off without you.
Posted by: steve | May 18, 2008, 2:39 am 2:39 am
two cats
welcome to the fray..and so late?
….we need some late niters here ok?
but us lyrical gangsters for Hill
are setting them up for the kill
and its been great…
…
blood on the floor type of stuff
and we’re “talking” no prisoners
and humor is the saphire bullets of love
its all john coltrane and a love
supreme
between us hil billy ites
and my good old obamaladeites
my dear unthinking obamaites
raised in the cauldron of
trust fund homes
and star buckian and star trekkie loungies
at once black and white ..and some
yellow even red
still longing for theie most halcyon days…at
ivy league prep schools
who have such a feel for
the those living in the inner
city
‘can we all just get along’
from Honolulu beaches
to south side chicago
fire breathing intonations of
a most irrevant ever ready
reverend wrong…
….and his best and most popular
once former son-ship like disciple
but now a most
recreant,
infidel
ever dismissive
son…a never returing son
[& most…of all…THE
most prodigal son of chicago’s
38th Street…church of christ’s
of all ….time
welcome my bon ami
and lets ROLL!!!
Posted by: appalachian blue | May 18, 2008, 2:43 am 2:43 am
Hillary’s living in a world of total self-delusion!
Posted by: The Virginian | May 18, 2008, 2:48 am 2:48 am
Go Hillary!!
Go Independent if that is what it takes!
Otherwise…Go McCain!!
Posted by: Vickie | May 18, 2008, 2:50 am 2:50 am
Actually ninaki
you’re dead wrong
hillary DID openly admit and said her
comments about the sniper fire were
flatly wrong and she apologized and
she said it was a mis…statement
and she said…she was wrong for it
she also said…”i’m human”
but…let me say something about this snipe fire thing
she was in a hot zone in bosnia
and she had Three ASSIGNED sniper teams surrounding her as she came upon the fire zone and was instantly surrounded by sniper teams and taken into the outposts
there were reports of LIVE SNIPERS IN THE HILLS SURROUNDING THE FIRE BASES where she visited
the story was backed up by the OP ED piece in the NYT
and the 96 AP article that can be found on line
DESPITE ALL THIS …hillary DID ADMIT SHE GOT IT WRONG AND DID OPENLY APOLOGIZE for her words
and…she said she was sorry for the mis impression she gave…
she still got the backing of ALL the generals from the bosnia war
and let me say ninak
she is a working member of the european union
and if you don’t know
ask any diplomat what it takes to become a full member
it takes more than being a state senator or a nice white house wife
…
and by teh way
BOSNIA ENDED THE SERIAL RAPING OF HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF WOMEN
AFTER CLINTON’s DIRECT INTERVENTION HELPED TO END THIS TERRIBLE CONFLICT AS ONE MAKING A MAJOR MESS IN EUROPE
and…HILLARY WAS IN THE FIRE BASE REGION TO SEPAK TO THE WOMEN VICTIMS OF THE TERRIBLE GENOCIDE
NINAK ever fly in a black hawk helicopter into a hot zone?
its not the typical first lady
photo op baby…
much more to find yourself
when you came off of the same armed
blawk hawk copter…
surrounded by three military sniper
teams protecting you???
they don’t do this…for sh…s and
giggles
Posted by: bigtimeOHioan | May 18, 2008, 2:59 am 2:59 am
Keep it Real:
The point I think you are missing here, is that for the most part, from what I can tell, EVERYONE who is now looking for a way around voting for Obama, myself included, is and always has been a LOYAL Democrat, just like Hillary, and the only reason alternative solutions are even being considered by these groups is because the Democratic National Party and its leaders have become the “lunatic fringe groupie” (to use your label) of Barack Obama, and will simply not see the train wreck this November election will be if he is the candidate.
I have ALWAYS been a LOYAL Democrat, even before I was old enough to vote. That is why what the Party is now trying to do is so totally shameful and upsetting to myself and the large group of people who feel the same way I do.
And if the Democratic National Party doesn’t resolve Florida and Michigan in the proper fashion, and refuses to allow Hillary to take her fight to the convention floor like they did in 1980 for Teddy Kennedy, I don’t know how happy she’s going to be with them either.
I’m sorry, but I just don’t see LOYAL members of the Democratic Party coelescing around this inmature, condescending, smokescreen of a man who enjoys keeping so many people around him who are not LOYAL to this country.
Posted by: SandyB | May 18, 2008, 3:22 am 3:22 am
This is too all you morons on the “If not Hillary then McCain” bandwagon. For a while I thought the race for the next president was between a Democrat and a Republican. It may be true Hillary has won popularity on certain key electoral vote states; however, some may choose to forget the race for president is not going to be between Hillary, Obama, and McCain; therefore, to imply she’s the ultimate democratic candidate based on that alone is humorous, to say the least. May I remind you again the race for president will be between a democrat and a republican candidate and if most people are supporting a democratic candidate, they will continue to do so regardless of who it may be. However, this is beginning to sound more and more like a KKK rally; “if not Hillary, then McCain”. Are you implying that there’s no room for a black man in the white house? Because the last time I remember, whether it was HIllary or Obama, they’re views and ideas, while a little different, were certainly a whole lot better than what McCain plans to put us through.
Posted by: mag | May 18, 2008, 3:30 am 3:30 am
If the selling of our delegates … which effectively becomes the sale of our V O T E S … to the highest bidder is cool with you…
If the disenfranchising of two states for not complying with the DNC’s dumb rules is cool with you even though other states equally “guilty” went unpunished…
If the media’s role in falsely predicating the outcome of this election by eliminating all pertinent news of one candidate to play up the two faced Pastor Sermons of the other is cool with you….
Then You Don’t Deserve to Live in the United States of America!
GIVE ‘EM HELL, HILLARY!
Posted by: EYES WIDE OPEN | May 18, 2008, 3:41 am 3:41 am
NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS DID I THINK I WOULD SAY: Hilary you are better than Obama. You are more prepared and wiser than Obama – he just sounds good talking but as you pointed out the President has to be ready from day one and Obama will never be ready.
Hilary don’t quit he doesn’t have the votes either – make them do what they did in the old days go to the convention – Obama is falling apart as we learn more about him and his wife.
Posted by: a citizen | May 18, 2008, 3:51 am 3:51 am
PONY UP:
“Let’s see I was tired so I said 57 states instead of 47. That is outrageous”
;-) OBAMA SAID THAT! ;=)
GIVE ‘EM HELL, HILLARY!!!
Posted by: EYES WIDE OPEN | May 18, 2008, 3:52 am 3:52 am
To Decided / Mary 17, 2008, 5:46:58 p.m. I agree with what you wrote, except that Carter had already been Governor of Georgia.
I’m a life long Republican, retired Air Force, middle class voter, who voted for Gore in 2000, and Kerry in 2004. I was against going into Iraq before it happened, and it caused me so many heated arguments and disagreements with my family, co-workers and friends, but if I had the choice of voting for Bush 43 or Barack Obama this coming November, I would vote for Bush 43. I can’t believe that the comments written by Obama supporters are coming from adults. You sound so immature, hateful, and viciously attack Hillary Clinton and her supporters. Do Obama supporters really believe that if Hillary Clinton endorses Obama or is chosen to be his vice-president, Hillary supporters are going to obey her command and vote for Obama? Obama will not win the general election with 92% African-Americans and the youth votes, unless he (Obama) and DNC steal the election. Don’t be naive or ignorant, the majority of White Americans, Women, and Hispanics (Mexican, Puerto Rican, Cubans) will not vote for Obama because he does not share the same ideals, values and principles that we believe in. Obama cannot relate to mainstream America. Obama’s father was from Kenya, he was never a slave in our country nor grew up in it. Obama’s mother was an agnostic who did not believe in God, and based on most of the reports was not really raised by his mother. How many mothers on food stamps can afford studying for a doctorate’s degree, and sending their child to private schools and Harvard? Barack Obama is not running for President because he cares about America, it’s an ego and vanity thing, just like Hillary Clinton, and John McCain, but at least Hillary and McCain have paid their dues. Obama has not done anything to deserve the privelege and honor to serve our great nation! He does not even respect our American Flag. May God help us if Obama is elected president. If anyone thinks the last 7 1/2 years have been bad, we have worse times coming if Obama is elected. And if you wants to label anyone who does not vote for Barack Hussein Obama a racist, you must be part of that 92% African-Americans, or immature youth voters. You started this race thing by voting for the most unqualified candidate in the history of our country on the basis of color/race. May God Bless our country and the rest of the world!
Posted by: Micaela in California | May 18, 2008, 4:00 am 4:00 am
Like I said earlier, the write-in rules in most states require paperwork to be filed by the candidate. Otherwise, it cannot be done.
If Hillary does not wish to be party to a write-in campaign, then that will be her decision to make, and votes cast for her as a write-in will not be counted.
If I decide to write her name in anyway, and it is categorized as a “protest vote” and not counted, that is MY decision to make.
Joe Lieberman was a LOYAL Democrat too, until his Democratic Party refused to nominate him, and he had to run as an Independent candidate to retain his seat in the Senate.
It doesn’t appear that Lieberman’s alternative solution, once his Democratic Party turned its back on him (much like the DNC has done to Hillary during this campaign), has RUINED him……………….
Posted by: SandyB | May 18, 2008, 4:01 am 4:01 am
eyes wide open
so very true…
and this is the so called
“new politics”
that SEnator TEd K and ROCKETFELT>>HER
and CHRIS “I AM A MAN” DODD
and PAT “I HATE WHITE POWERFUL WOMEN” LEATHY
because “I AM FROM NEW ENGLAND”
have all endorsed…
so who would have known…
we buy supers and delegates
like hot dogs in order to pick
a president
says alot about our view of
our government today doesn’t it?
Posted by: appalachian blue | May 18, 2008, 4:09 am 4:09 am
Hillary has more experience and change will not happen over night as most people would like. Is a gradual process and cannot be rush. Just look at Iraq and know change will not and cannot happen over night. It takes experience, strong leadership, determination and good character and I think Hillary is better over all. She is not perfect, but again she is not running for God’s position and I think is time to let a qualify woman be in charge for once.
Posted by: James | May 18, 2008, 4:11 am 4:11 am
As a lifetime Floridian, there is no anger here about Obama. Many Democrats who would have voted in the primary stayed home that day because we were told it wasn’t going to count.
If you counted the votes now, it wouldn’t be a true count because the election was screwed up.
Hillary is over. She is last week’s news. And thank goodness for that. Her supporters need to get over their defeat and move on. She won’t be winning this race.
Posted by: Dave | May 18, 2008, 4:27 am 4:27 am
As a lifetime Floridian, there is no anger here about Obama. Many Democrats who would have voted in the primary stayed home that day because we were told it wasn’t going to count.
If you counted the votes now, it wouldn’t be a true count because the election was screwed up.
Hillary is over. She is last week’s news. And thank goodness for that. Her supporters need to get over their defeat and move on. She won’t be winning this race.
Posted by: Dave | May 18, 2008, 4:27 am 4:27 am
WRONG AGAIN:
As I have said again and again, if she does not agree to be party to a write-in campaign, then the votes won’t count anyway and will not take anything away from either McCain or Obama (if he is indeed the nominee….and that is not yet a fact of life).
A write-in campaign or Independent campaign would all have to be initiated by her. If SHE does not choose either of those routes, then no harm can come to her, can it?
Also consider this, if you count the popular vote (and for argument’s sake, let’s leave out Florida and Michigan like everybody else likes to do), Obama has something like 50.8% of the total votes, to Hillary’s 49.2% of total votes. Statistically speaking, a tie.
No Democratic contest in recent years has been this close. Why do you think Hillary keeps fighting and refuses to quit? Because HALF of the DEMOCRATS in America want HER to be the party’s nominee….And who do you think she’s fighting so hard for? Herself? Not hardly. She’s fighting for those of us who have supported her, and still support her, and who want to see her have the opportunity to right the wrongs of the last eight years.
She hasn’t yet stopped fighting for that opportunity, and has not yet stopped fighting for us, so why should we stop fighting for her?
Posted by: SandyB | May 18, 2008, 4:47 am 4:47 am
i would not tell that to the black congresswoman from jacksonville
…she wants to boycott the convention
for many reasons if this election is NOT treatedproperly
and she …is something very very concerned
and
its NOT true everyone was told to stay home b/c votes did not count…
that is simply NOT the case
over 1.8 million people voted
and ..that’s not a poor or under vote turnout …for a winter day in fla
Posted by: appalachian blue | May 18, 2008, 4:55 am 4:55 am
Here is a person who will say and do ANYTHING to fulfill her ambition to be truly historic. Years from now, as she recalls how it all slipped through her fingers, the name will roll from her lips over and over again. Obama Obama!!!
Posted by: US8th_Hit | May 18, 2008, 4:56 am 4:56 am
that is not my call
and it may not be what some people feel is best
but..i’m telling you…its not
a product of someone’s bad imagination
..its in a pre stage planning mode
as we write these silly blogs to ourselves
and its GOT LEGS within the senior white girls camp
and THEY DON”T GIVE A CRAP IF MCCAIN WINS
someone is underestimating the intense disdain they feel for HOW THIS ELECTION HAS TREATED THEIR GIRL
these women have poured millions into this campaign
and they strongly believe she has been given the shaft
i am not a woman and i’m just reporing the facts thank you
ignore what i am stating here
you will see their wrath soon
if this isn’t HANDLED very very
carefully …in the next few weeks
believe me…its already in play
…i’m not trying to convince you
i’m reporting…and i know
b/c …i do…
take it to the bank my oh please
its very real
Posted by: appalachian blue | May 18, 2008, 5:00 am 5:00 am
Hhahahahahahahaha,fuuny and crazy thinkers in america,if clinton doesnt win,people will vote for McCain.Is their to vote,since the party they belong,lose.Is only Obama and his alone in america?The people,who refuse to take part in a government,live under the government of worst men,so what is their problem,all that we in europe,america will go down,so do what you think,but mama clinton’s time is over.Obama isnt going to lose anything,you clinton supporters,going to vote for Rep.SOO SHAMEFUL SYSTEM IN AMERICA.
Posted by: peprah | May 18, 2008, 5:02 am 5:02 am
I never said she was Mother Theresa (she is a politician after all), but Obama certainly isn’t the Saviour his supporters and the DNC think he is either…
The only difference is Hillary will admit to the Bosnia mistake (and others), and Obama doesn’t think he ever makes any, or ever makes any that he feels he needs to explain to the American public or answer questions about.
Of course some aspect of her running for President is for her own satisfaction. You have to be ambitious to even think about running for President, let alone keep at it for as long as she has.
While I’m sure her personal ambition is part of what keeps her going, I’m also certain that a lot of fight left in her is still there because of what she wants to accomplish for OTHERS.
Posted by: SandyB | May 18, 2008, 5:13 am 5:13 am
Barack Obama could have waited, as he is just a Junior Senator, and learn on the job, show to the Senate and colleagues what he is about… how he can contribute… this includes help elect Senator Hillary Clinton to the Presidency – the only endorseable candidate to beat the Republicans – and learn from her in the next 8 years, and be dedicated to the people who elect you upholding the beliefs of democracy!
The junior senator Obama can’t even hold up a “debate” … does not want to answer question… because he is unprepared and does not know what to say without reading the notes.
PEOPLE…. just be sensible when you go to vote!!!
Posted by: Retrovvision | May 18, 2008, 5:14 am 5:14 am
Keep it up Hillary!!I have been blogging with complaints about the manipulation of the media for weeks-its been so unfair and so bias. Obama seems like a good candidate, the problem is from my point of view is that he seems to have no political weight, experience in the senate of 3 years? little time in DC etc.Its clear he has corporate media and their interests behind him).
The “media made man” scares me because it begs the question “Who is REALLY running for president of the USA in the Obama camp? The idea of an Obama is novel but clearly, his “well educated?” supporters talk about no specifics in terms of his platform..they constantly write ridiculous, opinionated crap in the editorials and attack Hillary Clinton with out discussing the merits of her platform in a critical yet meaningful way.
I’m glad to see that Hillary bloggers are being allowed to post on the e-news blogs. I have not seen this many Hillary supporters able to post. I find NYT, LA times and others refusing to post any criticism of the Obama campaign.
GO HIllARY-President 2008
Posted by: Colleen | May 18, 2008, 5:21 am 5:21 am
Colleen:
You are exactly right about the other blogs.
I have tried to post on MSNBC, CBS and others, and my posts are never displayed.
You are also right about the manipulation that has been perpetrated by the media: they immediately declared Obama the nominee right after North Carolina (the polls now show McCain would beat both Obama and Hillary by 3% in NC, which means the DNC really ought to pay attention to the exit polls when they say that 70% of those who vote for Obama would also vote for Hillary, but 50% of those who vote for Hillary would NOT vote for Obama); TIME Magazine putting his picture on the cover with “and the winner is” as the caption; almost every article about Hillary listed on the media outlets’ websites say negatives about her campaign and her chances while Obama’s are almost always positive no matter what he does.
Posted by: SandyB | May 18, 2008, 5:35 am 5:35 am
She is going to win-if the media doesn’t interfere with democratic process. The democratic party is demographically diverse and people vote for candidates for different reasons across all demographics. The problem has been that the media has interfered a great deal and has not allowed the Clinton campaign its proper coverage given the number of supporters (about 50%…it hasn’t played fair.Clinton supporter are not stupid, rednecked undereducated idiots-they tend to be older and have a lot of wisdon about the way the world works. The media has a lot to lose and so does the DNC if her supporters continue to be alienated.
Just because many are working, commuting and looking after their kids instead of their IPOD- doesn’t mean they are not here.
Posted by: Colleen | May 18, 2008, 5:37 am 5:37 am
Sandy: what did you think of the SNL skit? I know that it was intended as satire-it just wasn’t very good and I think that was the point…even here, people have quoted the “sore loser” point of the skit.
Posted by: Colleen | May 18, 2008, 5:41 am 5:41 am
CUZ-this is what I’m talking about.Your comments to Sandy and I do not represent and intelligent discourse about the issues..its a huge turn off.
As for the campaign, Obama outspent Hillary with money backed by media moguls who continue to pull the strings to get their candidate elected without providing responsible journalism. Its a big sham and a taste of whats to come.
The money for her campaign is not as much an indicator of her prowess as a president as is her platform and ideas on healthcare and in fact every candidate is “indebted” to their campaign whether it shows on an accounting page or the high price of being bought out.
Posted by: Colleen | May 18, 2008, 5:54 am 5:54 am
It is time for Hillary to prepare her exit speech…SHE IS DONE!
Posted by: FrigidWeather | May 18, 2008, 6:03 am 6:03 am
The Clintons claim they are ahead in the vote?
I wonder what color the sky is in their fantasy world.
Posted by: Ivan | May 18, 2008, 6:09 am 6:09 am
Mrs clinton has always said time and time again that she is the best candidate that can beat mccain. lets assume If she becomes the nominee, One big issue that will easily land mccain in the WH is her voting for the war. Where is the strength for her to lead a big and powerful country like america which has so many dicey issues at stake across the globe. we should not forget that she once cried when she lost previously. infact, americans must know what they want, if its the same old washington politics which she is part of or a new kind of promising future which is at stake in obama. am sure americans are tired of hearing BUSH, CLINTON . this is really time for change.
Posted by: richy | May 18, 2008, 6:11 am 6:11 am
it makes me sick that all these people are tossing the clinton’s aside now!! with out them, there wouldn’t be a democratic party!! she better be picked for vp or i’ll go with mcCain.
Posted by: peter | May 18, 2008, 7:02 am 7:02 am
Hillary says she has the popular vote-more lies-if so why is she still behind. She says she is more electable-lies-if so why is she still behind- she says a lot of things-more lies-If I was a Hillary supporter I would be embarrassed that all my candidate does is lie. She has no shame. She is delusional. Bill talked about a “fairy tale” referring to Obama but he needs to use that line for his wife. I really feel sorry for her if she feels she has the support yet the numbers say not so.
Posted by: lowes4321 | May 18, 2008, 7:34 am 7:34 am
I have known many sore losers in my life but Hillary is the worst. She lost because of all the lies she told(Bosnia, and so on) and people don’t want a pathological liar for a President or any office. She is owed nothing from us–her cheating husband, yes. Sen Obama is the only hope America has, he will win and America will prosper once rid of the Clinton-Bush evil juggernaut!!!
Posted by: rockychance | May 18, 2008, 7:48 am 7:48 am
I was talking to a friend last night when he mentioned Obama’s father was a Communist or at least was a sympathizer with Communism. Someone on TV had mentioned that.
I haven’t read his books and will not in the future. Actually I can’t read his books even someone pays me to. I guess his dreams which came from his father’s dreams include destroying this country (including private property and other capatalist bedrocks) first and then turning it into a Communist land.
What will happen if he is nominated is scary. We have to vote to keep him OUT OF OUR WHITE HOUSE, the White House of all Americans.
Posted by: Brent | May 18, 2008, 7:58 am 7:58 am
Hillary is irrelevant…It is all about delegates and she ain’t and won’t get them. Popular vote? Not likely. She might as well include totals from a primary vote she holds on her website. That is how realistic her claim for the popular vote is.
Posted by: Paul from Boston | May 18, 2008, 8:00 am 8:00 am
hillary
the race is over someone else is crossing the finish line.
put your self centered egotistical act aside and start working for democratic party—i am sure that some of your ideas will be put to use—–in other words stop acting like a republican.
Posted by: rodney | May 18, 2008, 8:30 am 8:30 am
There are a lot of people here who are exposing themselves as who they truely are.I thought this was 2008.
Posted by: BIZZYGTO | May 18, 2008, 8:35 am 8:35 am
The wife of a 2 term US President with 30 years of political experience and an overwhelming lead in the polls was destined to be the democratic nominee. All she had to do was plan and execute an effective election campaign.
Her failure to demonstrate leadership and financial responsibility in the campaign itself should show you she does not possess the qualities we need in a President. Like it or not Obama is the best choice we have.
Posted by: Iggy | May 18, 2008, 8:54 am 8:54 am
iggy
in antisipation of being a shoein for president —i feel that hillary has sold out to other interests and i scared to hell because she will not be able to deliver—-another nafta type deal
Posted by: rodney | May 18, 2008, 8:59 am 8:59 am
i oly have this to say to diehard clinton supporters.history bears this out—slick willy is the great satan–and hillary is his queen–you best beware.
Posted by: rodney | May 18, 2008, 9:08 am 9:08 am
Obama is spending to spend Tuesday night in Iowa where he won the Democratic caucuses to open his campaign. If Kentucky and Oregon vote as expected he will end up with enough pledged delegates to proclaim, without fear of contradiction, that he is now the Democratic nominee for president.
Just the facts folks………. It you really supported Hillary you would not be here blogging but would be out raising money for her to pay her campaign debt.
Posted by: IGGY | May 18, 2008, 9:22 am 9:22 am
iggy
these hillary supporters must have been struck on the head when children—-MAKING REPUBLICANS OUT OF THEM.
Posted by: rodney | May 18, 2008, 9:30 am 9:30 am
Back to real news,
Yeah, I’ve been reading a few and it doesn’t look too good. I never understood this whole “negative” blog stuff. I deal with enough crap at work to come on a blog and get all upset. LOL
I think I’ll take your advice and post
“lightly”……test the waters a little bit.
PEACE
Posted by: say what | May 18, 2008, 9:38 am 9:38 am
You Hillary supporters are scary sometimes
Hillary is NOT ahead in the POPULAR VOTE. No matter how you try and spin it. Michigan and Florida DO NOT COUNT. End of discussion. They cheated themselves. The delegates will be SEATED but the votes do NOT count. Hillary agreed with that until she found that she needed those votes that were cast. There are many people in Michigan and Florida who DID NOT vote because they new their votes wouldn’t count.
Its absolutely appalling that she keeps trying to include the votes of Michigan and Florida, Obama isn’t on the ticket in Michigan and she never includes the caucus results.
LOSER
I have lost a TON of respect for the Clintons
Posted by: BK | May 18, 2008, 10:04 am 10:04 am
before you vote republican–picture all the dead and maimed soldiers ——picture all the innocent men women and children killed or crippled in iraq—and for what–it was not iraq that attacked us.
bush made the decision idiot that he is and MCcain was behind him.
i would fight to the death for my country–but do not want to be led by idiots.perhaps there is a better way
Posted by: rodney | May 18, 2008, 10:07 am 10:07 am
Oh Lord…..What have I gotten myself into !?!?!?!?!?
Posted by: say what | May 18, 2008, 10:16 am 10:16 am
The majority of Americans do believe everything the media tells them. That’s why European countries are financially ahead of this country. The little saying that Europeans use to describe Americans is “DUMB AMERICAN” seems to hold water.
Posted by: GeorgeStc | May 18, 2008, 10:35 am 10:35 am
rodney
Yeah…Bill has not helped his wifes campaign at all. To be honest I admire Hillary’s fight and determination. I just think that her and a lot of her supporters felt like she had this in the bag and then…BAM!, they get blindsided by Obama. For that reason I believe a lot of them are in “hate Obama” mode.
This whole process has shown me a lot about the citizens of our country. I’m sorry to say that not too much of it has been good.
I’m still optimistic though!
Posted by: say what | May 18, 2008, 10:44 am 10:44 am
Obama, the Democratic Old Guard, and the media pundits want to shut down this campaign now, because they know a serious train wreck is coming. Hillary now has the popular vote (with FL and MI) and that lead will increase dramatically with the coming contests. Add to that all the reported instances of wrongdoing at the caucases and his perceived “lead” shrinks even further. (There were 4,000 such instances in Texas alone; they gave up trying to deal with it and said “we’ll sort it out at The Convention.) The Will of The People will have to be overturned in order to crown Obama the nominee. FL and MI should stand as is because Obama called in a legal team to block do-over primaries, fully paid for and sanctioned by the DNC. Obama is nothing but a con man who has tried to buy the presidency. There are enough who see this to make life miserable for the DNC for decades to come.
Posted by: HoosierSue | May 18, 2008, 10:46 am 10:46 am
Tell me please! How do you write in someone’s name when the voting machines are electronic?
In the primary voting proces I don’t remember seeing anything about write in’s.
Posted by: Fred G. | May 18, 2008, 10:49 am 10:49 am
“IGNORE THE MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN!” Even Toto knew better.
Posted by: bob10001 | May 18, 2008, 10:57 am 10:57 am
Obama is spending to spend Tuesday night in Iowa where he won the Democratic caucuses to open his campaign. If Kentucky and Oregon vote as expected he will end up with enough pledged delegates to proclaim, without fear of contradiction, that he is now the Democratic nominee for president.
Just the facts folks………. It you really supported Hillary you would not be here blogging but would be out raising money for her to pay her campaign debt.
Posted by: Iggy | May 18, 2008, 11:37 am 11:37 am
This woman is dillusional.
Posted by: LongT | May 18, 2008, 11:45 am 11:45 am
Obama has 1602 of the 3253 pledged delegates. He will pick up 25 more on Tuesday and have won the majority of delegates and the nomination on Tuesday night.
You are truly dreasming if you think the super-delegates who have been endorsing Obama 5-1 over Clinton are going to reverse course.
Posted by: Iggy | May 18, 2008, 11:48 am 11:48 am
Truth,
You are running SCARED and have to resort to this sort of thing. Most White Americans are smarter than that, nice try though.
Posted by: PittBull61 | May 18, 2008, 11:52 am 11:52 am
Sally,
Your proving me wrong here……..
Posted by: PittBull61 | May 18, 2008, 11:54 am 11:54 am
Obama has sold his soul. He’s a corporate puppet just like some of the media that has shielded him and attacked Hillary.
To the media that has the courage to report the truth about Obama–Thank you.
Hillary or McCain
Posted by: cindy in nc | May 18, 2008, 11:58 am 11:58 am
What is the first thing you must do to win a race???
Finish the race.
That is true in any race!
Posted by: NASCAR | May 18, 2008 8:45:52
AM
________________
This race is finished!!
Posted by: rhbate | May 18, 2008, 12:03 pm 12:03 pm
Pittbull: Are you arguing with the accuracy of my post? If so, please provide cites to reliable sources which dispute that accuracy. If you cannot, consider your apology to be accepted in advance. Thank you for your cooperation.
Posted by: Truth | May 18, 2008, 12:05 pm 12:05 pm
butterfly3344,
According to our research, Obama is a fraud. Let peel the onion and dig deeper into this jerk, you will see your candidate is nothing but an empty promise.
Over 16,000,000 Americans don’t want to vote for Obama despite his supporters have danced to the beat of the drums
Posted by: Jane | May 18, 2008, 12:27 pm 12:27 pm
I have already stopped watching MSNBC and CNN (Lou Dobbs and GlennBeck aren’t in love with Obama though).
Chris Matthews and Keith Olbermann get all tingly and mushy talking about Obama. They are big time Hillary bashers. Scared of strong women?
Hillary or McCain
Posted by: cindy in nc | May 18, 2008, 12:40 pm 12:40 pm
It doesn’t matter to me if Hillary supports Obama, I will never vote for him. I am a Hillary supporter who will vote for John McCain if Obama is the nominee. Besides being inexperienced, Obama is a political opportunist whose associations with terrorist William Ayers, indicted Syrian, Tony Rezko, foreign policy advisor and Hamas supporter, William Malley, not to mention his 20+ year relationship with the anti-American, racially divisive, Rev. Wright, raise questions about his true agenda for America. I would not vote for him under any circumstances.
Posted by: dwilson | May 18, 2008, 12:43 pm 12:43 pm
OSAMA WHO??? He has started his campaign against John McCain already??? Did he actually has enough 2025 delegates to be a nominee??? Look at the total votes between two candidates:
Hillary = 16,691,639
Obama = 16,648,06
If OSAMA had the the first row of number, will he quit?? of couse not, so does Hillary! She is a fighter. Get lost OSAMA!
Posted by: Jane | May 18, 2008, 12:46 pm 12:46 pm
Priceless! Obama spent 4 to 1 in PA compared to Hillary and he lost that state at 10 point. I called that was useless!
Posted by: Jane | May 18, 2008, 12:50 pm 12:50 pm
Didn’t Clinton say the elections in FL and MI wouldn’t count for anything. Now I know she was in NH and she desperately needed the voters there to turn out for her or she was out, but I could have sworn that she said that those two elections would not count.
When she says the she has always been for counting the votes of FL and MI does she mean she was lying when she was in NH? Because if she had told the voters in NH that she believed the votes in FL and MI were valid they would not have voted for her the way they did.
I am all for counting everyone’s vote but it is the politically opportunist lying that I find gross and hateful. And turning it into a civil rights type issue when it is truly a question of party rules is also kind of cheap.
Posted by: Bob | May 18, 2008, 12:53 pm 12:53 pm
Iggy: I will say the same thing to you that I said to your companion in ignorance, Pittbull. If so, please provide cites to reliable sources which dispute that accuracy. If you cannot, consider your apology to be accepted in advance. Thank you for your cooperation.
One more thing; with regard to whether or not I would repeat the points of my comment in public, I most certainly would, and do. However, I travel in academic circles, and discussions of this nature are not rare. Do your homework; look up the issues about which I spoke, and you will see their validity.
Posted by: Truth | May 18, 2008, 12:54 pm 12:54 pm
BOB:
I AGREE WITH YOU WHOLEHEARTEDLY. We shouldn’t count Florida or Michigan. Who cares what a couple of million voters think. It is the rules and the rules alone that count. And when those rules play into our hands and facilitate the success of our candidate, then voters be damned. We disenfranchised voters in 2000 and 2004 and no one did anything about it. Winning is all that matters. You Obama people are my kind of people. Too bad Obama is a Democrat.
Signed,
KARL ROVE
Posted by: Karl | May 18, 2008, 12:59 pm 12:59 pm
To the person posting under the name KARL ROVE. Did Senator Clinton lie and say that the elections in FL and MI shouldn’t count so that she could win the election in NH? This shouldn’t be such a hard concept for someone like you to figure out. Right up your alley actually.
Posted by: Bob | May 18, 2008, 1:03 pm 1:03 pm
Sore Looser Inc.
Just see your name, I can tell you are representative for a real sore looser: Obama
Please call 1-800-getlostObama to hear the repeated words: God D America from his pastor Wright. For 20 years sitting in the pew of that church, your candidate is a REAL SORE LOOSER!
We look forward to helping you move on with that curse
Posted by: Dallas | May 18, 2008, 1:06 pm 1:06 pm
I live in Utah and our economy is pretty good here. We have had a consistant job growth, foreclosures are low, etc. The reason I think we have had it so good is because we don’t have a lot of blacks here.
Posted by: larry | May 18, 2008, 1:17 pm 1:17 pm
BOB:
AS I SAID BEFORE, I AGREE WITH YOU WHOLEHEARTEDLY. We shouldn’t count Florida or Michigan. After all, what is more important, the party elite and their choice of candidates, or the will of a couple of million voters? The party elite shall prevail, as they should. And I think it is very clever of you to assert that Hillary Clinton said the votes shouldn’t count, and then use that as an excuse not to count them. If I were advising Obama, that is exactly the tact I would take. Very good job. Yes, you Obama people are my kind of people. Too bad Obama is a Democrat.
Signed,
KARL ROVE
Posted by: Karl | May 18, 2008, 1:19 pm 1:19 pm
I have read over 50 emails from my friends telling me that they will vote for John McCain over Obama in November if Hillary is not a nominee.
The more they know about Obama, the less they want to vote for him.
Posted by: Dallas | May 18, 2008, 1:26 pm 1:26 pm
It was a slam-dunk that Hillary would win in West Virginia. It was her demographic: The old, stupid, ignorant, uneducated, tobacco-chewing, moonshine-drinking, snuff-sniffing, meth-making, cow-sh*t kicking, inbred, redneck, racist, hillbilly hick. Most of them are related to each other. Obama probably won the college-educated young males, both of them, who probably left the state by now to avoid being lynched by the good folks.
Posted by: rhbate | May 18, 2008, 1:30 pm 1:30 pm
rhbate: Regardless of their class they still have the ability to vote. Rememeber those people you point out will vote in Novemeber too.
Posted by: mike | May 18, 2008, 1:33 pm 1:33 pm
Obama wins the niggers
Posted by: lori | May 18, 2008, 1:34 pm 1:34 pm
To the person posting as KARL ROVE. My post was more about the kind of lying that I find distasteful than if the party should count two elections that were not sanctioned.
I am not trying to use the fact that Hillary said the votes should not count to prove that they shouldn’t. I bring it up because it was a lie. And I think lying is bad and wrong.
I also have to say kudos to you because your use of really cutting political satire by posting as Karl Rove is so deeply insightful, fantastically illuminating and just down right funny that I can tell you must be one of the coolest people around.
Posted by: Bob | May 18, 2008, 1:34 pm 1:34 pm
I would take The old, stupid, ignorant, uneducated, tobacco-chewing, moonshine-drinking, snuff-sniffing, meth-making, cow-sh*t kicking, inbred, redneck, racist, hillbilly hick over a n****r any day.
Posted by: lori | May 18, 2008, 1:36 pm 1:36 pm
Wow, Lori what an awful point of view you have.
Perhaps it would be better if you kept those hateful thoughts to yourself.
Posted by: Bob | May 18, 2008, 1:40 pm 1:40 pm
Republican pollster Frank Luntz once said Clinton reminds certain men of their first wives. He probably should have said “mother-in-law,” our modern-day version of the witch.
Posted by: rhbate | May 18, 2008, 1:41 pm 1:41 pm
Everything is fine until Obama starts running his campaign. Democrat party is more divided than ever because of this racist! Think about of people Obama has been associated with scared the hell out of me. His supporters have driven me out of Democrat party by relentless attack on Hillary. I wish Hillary will go independent then Obama will have no chance whatsoever in November!
Posted by: Jane | May 18, 2008, 1:43 pm 1:43 pm
rhbate: Regardless of their class they still have the ability to vote. Rememeber those people you point out will vote in Novemeber too.
Posted by: mike | May 18, 2008 1:33:28 PM
_________________
Because you misspelled two words out of twenty, a ten percent error rate, you would fit right in with Hillary’s constituency. I suggest you attempt to get a GED.
Posted by: rhbate | May 18, 2008, 1:48 pm 1:48 pm
“Right now I am leading in the popular vote –- more Americans have voted for me,” she said. “Right now if you add up the states that I have won, it totals 300 electoral votes you have to have 270 to win -– now there are some states I’ve won that maybe won’t go for the Democrat, like Texas or Oklahoma, but I still have a comfortable margin.”
THIS BROAD IS CLEARLY DELUSIONAL!!!
Posted by: rhbate | May 18, 2008, 1:51 pm 1:51 pm
rhbate,
I am not White or Black but I can see the reality through the 90% of Blacks voted for Obama:
Please check the criminal records, high school/college dropout; people are in food stamp and welfare from your state. The number speaks for itself!
Posted by: Fair | May 18, 2008, 1:57 pm 1:57 pm
In Texas, I spoke with college kids regarding Obama and Hillary in the party primary election. Most of them were misinformed. They did not know much about the issues or a real Obama. Luckily, a lot of them had changed their mind and went out to vote for Hillary in March 4!
Posted by: Jane | May 18, 2008, 2:15 pm 2:15 pm
BOB:
I UNDERSTAND YOUR P0INT, AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT.
SIGNED,
A HUMBLED KARL ROVE
Posted by: Karl | May 18, 2008, 2:28 pm 2:28 pm
As a fellow Democrat… who is a 60 yr old Caucasian woman, retired public school teacher, and (by the way) an avid Obama supporter… I take great pride in seeing a strong, courageous, tenacious, bright, and viable female run for the highest office in our nation.
I can understand the rancor among Hillary’s supporters. There was a point in our campaign when I, too, had decided to vote for McCain .
However, the thought of McCain’s negative stance on a woman’s right to choose, his refusal to provide health care, his position on the Iraq war, his age, and his anger issues made me reconsider. I’m simply too old to bite off my nose to spite my face.
Irrespective of our party’s nominee… as long as it’s a Democrat… our children’s children’s children will look back with gratitude on this pivotal point in American history.
Respectfully,
Aunt Becky
Posted by: Aunt Becky | May 18, 2008, 2:29 pm 2:29 pm
Lori: Racism is wrong, no matter who practices it. Whether it is the racism of Obama’s black liberation theology church, which believes that they “will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy”, or your idiotic and racist rants, the world must move beyond this hatred. You and Obama are a part of the past.
Posted by: James | May 18, 2008, 2:44 pm 2:44 pm
There is only one reason she is still in the race, our campaign finance laws. If she drops out before the convention, unlimited fundraising must stop by the convention. If she allows the party to eliminate her at the convention, she can raise funds literally for the rest of her life until the campaign debt is retired. That is what she really cares about after spending her own cash. I am stunned that the media is giving her a pass on this.
Posted by: Greg | May 18, 2008, 2:47 pm 2:47 pm
Obama needs to win 25 more pledged delegates to win a majority of the 3253 available delegates. He will pick up these 25 delegates on Tuesday and have won the majority of delegates and the nomination on Tuesday night.
You are truly dreaming if you think the super-delegates who have been endorsing Obama 5-1 over Clinton since Super-Tuesday are going to reverse course. On Tuesday you can expect Obama to announce his victory.
Posted by: Iggy | May 18, 2008, 2:50 pm 2:50 pm
Fu*k yourself bob. I assume it is okay for Obama to be a racist but not me.
Posted by: lori | May 18, 2008, 2:52 pm 2:52 pm
I read the post from Kim on another site (savage politics). I thought it was a well thought out, wonderfully written post and yet it was removed from this site.
Yet, ABC kept these morsels:
The only thing Hillary has is crotch rot.
Posted by: Morking | May 17, 2008 9:43:20 PM
I just heard Hilliary is a real living witch. I am not kidding. “Witches” do exist in this day and age and Hilliary has been identified as being one of them. Perhaps that explains her difficulty with the truth and reality?? Perhaps that explains why she can change her persona so easily and so quickly?? I mean, look at her many faces…..sometimes two pictures of Hilliary side by side do not even look like the same person. Some days her face is wrinkled around her eyes and her cheeks, other days her face looks smoother. Some days she looks like she hasn’t washed her hair in a week, other days she looks freshly coifed. If you have been paying attention, I am sure you have seen these changes as well. Pretty darn scarey!!
Posted by: NinaK | May 18, 2008 3:13:52 AM
One just has to wonder what the moderators are thinking! Not sure how long they will keep this post up, but I had to point it out.
Posted by: Belle | May 18, 2008, 2:56 pm 2:56 pm
average white joe
you got a good paoint
the corp media has bought and sold obama about seven times
and its election fraud..w/ all the free air time…for his “i’m not like my pastor speech”
about two hours of free non commerical airtime…
ever see ANYthing like this in US History?
even JFK had to pay his way to the first tv debates…
no ONE has ever received as MUCH air time…
and then i heard today on chris mathews show
“o..the people don’t know who is and we here in the media have an obligation to let people know…he is a good guy w/ a poor background ..”
i don’t know whether to vomit or cry
this was spoken by a young beautiful anchor…who looks like a million bucks
and was very very concerned and worried looking after ohio’s election night
today
she was relaxed as if she were headed to a honeymoon…
its amazing…
but…yes..we need to keep the pressure
on…
hillary will win popular vote hands down…
pr…is going to put her into the finale winner’s column…by a 500,000 votes in the good for her…
it will not even need to reference florida
w/ florida..however…she will be ahead by 1 million votes when this process ends on June 3
and then the supers have to
to her midwest “steel curtain”
super delegates…
yes, ted, yes ed, yes evan, yes
Joe mancin, yes, former four GOv’s
of Ky
your states do NOT counts as much as
the wyoming and idaho and nebraska
causcuas…so get lost…
we got our …first truly political proportionate delegate voting
affirmative action guy
for president…
Posted by: bigtimeohioan | May 18, 2008, 3:02 pm 3:02 pm
Lori: I, for one, do not believe that it is OK for Obama to be racist, but unfortunately, many Americans either don’t have a problem with it, or don’t yet understand that he is. That does not, in my humble opinion, justify your racist comments.
Posted by: James | May 18, 2008, 3:05 pm 3:05 pm
rhbate: Obama scare tactics about Roe v. Wade are not going to work. Millions of us will not vote for Obama, period.
Posted by: Sally | May 18, 2008, 3:09 pm 3:09 pm
Jane
we found the same w/ the latte liberals
all across teh midwest
hillary won the burbs of akron, cleveland and columbus and toledo and dayton
and many more
she won in teh burbs in several critical areas near phila
and
we won…in areas we competed in in nc …wherein the message was able to get out
..we called obama’s supporters
“soft on obama”…because of this very same head trip they seem to be on…
which only took a few issues to break thru
…it was amazing..how easy we could turn his supposedly demograhpic voters
all across the midwest and into the south
if she just had a little more time and resources in nc..we could have closed that gap much much tighter
….but…the students also could not defend w/ clear articulated speech
their reasons or policies of obama
it is easy to do so w/ Hillary b/c she speaks policy everywhere she and bill go and hold their effective rallies
in smaller jurisdictions
its just a shame the media moguls and the insider latte liberal dem party leaders
have latched onto this candidate
its going to be ..trouble
for the fall
and john edwards knows it all so well
the bulls t guy that he proved to be
why did he chose to come out tues night?
because hillary was scheduled on
EVERY MORNING SHOW…on WED
and his endorsement KNOCKED her OUT
of the bump she earned from the
landlide victory…
Posted by: bigtimeohioan | May 18, 2008, 3:11 pm 3:11 pm
rhbate; so America would be better if all the partners who are cheated on would get divorces. Yeah, that’s logic.
Posted by: irma | May 18, 2008, 3:13 pm 3:13 pm
rhbate said: The question that comes to my mind is..If Hillary let(s) her husband repeatedly cheat on her, will she let others do the same to this country? If she will tolerate serial adultery, then WHAT WON’T SHE TOLERATE?
RH: Do you really wish to associate yourself with this kind of drivel?
Posted by: Sally | May 18, 2008, 3:17 pm 3:17 pm
I think it’s hysterically funny that the people who claim the race is over are the same ones that have drooled over how wonderful Obama is all along. The same people who type on here claiming it is over are spending their time trying to convince everyone. It’s not over and if by any chance, regardless of how it plays out from here Obama is the nominee. I, as an American will continue to practice freedom of choice and vote for Hillary in the general. Why? Easy; it hasn’t been a fair fight, I won’t vote for the bullies Ted Kennedy campaigned for: Kilpatrick, Kerry now Obama with the help of Axelrod. Dirty Bully Politics will NEVER get my vote. All the risks that come with it are risks of protest that are worth the message of our protest.
Posted by: irma | May 18, 2008, 3:21 pm 3:21 pm
rhbate: I have to hand it to you. It must be a lonely feeling being one of the only Obama cultists on this blog. Although you are wrong on the issues, your singlehanded effort to support your Messiah is noteworthy.
Posted by: Sally | May 18, 2008, 3:24 pm 3:24 pm
Bob: I’m not sure how old you are, but I am old enough to have marched in the 1960′s for civil rights. I have always been strongly opposed to racism, in any form. Before Obama came on the scene, I had no knowledge of his religion, black liberation theology. When I first heard about it, I decided to research the issue (research is a large part of the profession I am in). What I found out disturbed me greatly. Rev. Wright, who Obama has acknowledged as his “mentor and spiritual adviser” for 20 years, preaches black liberation theology. Rev. Wright also acknowledges that his theological mentor is James H. Cone (both of these admissions are on the church’s website. I obtained several of the most well-known books by James H. Cone, and read them. Once I did, I saw the rants of Rev. Wright in a different light. These rants were not the exception to the rule, in Obama’s church, they were consistent with the racist theology to which Rev. Wright and Obama subscribe. Here are just a few quotes from Cone’s books, and you can be the judge as to whether or not you consider them to be disturbing. *******
(1) “To be Christian is to be one of those whom God has chosen. God has chosen black people.” (2) “While it is true that blacks do hate whites, black hatred is not racism.” (3) “All white men are responsible for white oppression.” (4) “Theologically, Malcolm X was not far wrong when he called the white man “the devil.” (5) “If there is any contemporary meaning of the Antichrist, the white church seems to be a manifestation of it.” (6) “Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community … Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love.”
Here is an excerpt from the Southern Poverty Law Center website about Active U.S. Black Separatist Hate Groups: “Black separatists typically oppose integration and racial intermarriage, and they want separate institutions — or even a separate nation — for blacks. Most forms of black separatism are strongly anti-white and anti-Semitic, and a number of religious versions assert that blacks — not Jews — are the Biblical “chosen people” of God.” Does this remind anyone of Rev. Wright’s depiction of the “black Jesus” who is murdered by “the white man?”
It is axiomatic that if I had attended a white racist church for 20 years, and considered its white racist pastor to be my “mentor and spiritual adviser,” it would not be unreasonable to assume that I am a racist. Likewise, if one attends a racist black liberation theology church for 20 years, like Obama did, it is not unreasonable to assume that he is a racist.
Posted by: James | May 18, 2008, 3:38 pm 3:38 pm
I’m back for one quicki here
fight on hillary supporters
she’s not giving up and i think
after KY it will be on to PR
and then …to the convention
if the supers move before end of june
that is their call but
Hillary is fighting for the soul of
the rooseveltian dems and those who
are the true working and lower middle
classes of this nation
along w/ all those great substantive
polices and programs she has develped along time ago…and has more of today
its not over till the lady in the
pant-suit says it is…
Hill fights on…and she fights
because she IS the wiser and more
accomplished choice for november
and for this nation…
going forward…
she has the right mindset and the
right kind of attitude and the
tireless energy level to make this
nation great again around teh world
if you think she has pandered to the
right…
then think again..ifyou listen to her
policies she’s proposing on health care and energy and education and
tuition…
its simply the most experienced person for the leadership
and she will very easily beat
mccain…if allowed on top of ticket
otherwise…we will be holding our breath until election day
w/ rev wright and michelle’s
soon to be released new video
just coming soon to a digital tv
near you…
Posted by: appalachian blue | May 18, 2008, 3:47 pm 3:47 pm
Obama and McCain should be worried. Obama supporters are hoping to discourage the strong support Hillary has. You know, the strong support that exist among people despite the media bombardment campaign for Obama. The Republicans were his most ardent supporters on CNN and MSNBC. Gee, I wonder what we “delusionists” know? We know that we are not influenced by propaganda…..We know that in getting our vote MONEY DOESN’T TALK. So go ahead and drool over your dream guy, let him spend his millions, where ever that’s coming from. We have made OUR choice and it’s Hillary all the way…
Posted by: irma | May 18, 2008, 3:48 pm 3:48 pm
James, I think it is wrong to assume things about people and then go around posting them like they are facts. I grew up in the Catholic Church. I do not think that abortionists are murderers. I do not believe that homosexuals are sick, immoral or sinners. I frankly have a huge problem with much of the teaching not to mention the actions that the church took part in around the underage sex scandal. Because my faith in God was connected to some sick people does not make me sick. For you to ASSUME that I hold true some of the views that are advanced by my church would be plainly and clearly wrong.
Posted by: Bob | May 18, 2008, 3:54 pm 3:54 pm
I am a moderate independent voter. I chose Hillary Clinton because of her experience in economic matters and her knowledge of foreign policy. I will not switch and vote for Obama because I find his position on abortion barbaric. It was already a stretch for me to vote for Sen. Clinton, and I will not go even further to the left to vote for Obama. He is just too liberal. His “San Francisco” style world view is just too much for me. I will vote for McCain or not vote. I realize that many of you Obama supporters think that Clinton supporters are just suffering from a bad case of “sour grapes”, but for voters in the middle, like me, it is easier to move a little to the right on issues and choose McCain than for us to move WAY over the the far left and vote for Obama. I think the DNC is making a big mistake by not getting behind their more moderate candidate. For whatever reason, party elders like Pelosi, Kennedy and Kerry have thrown their support to Obama. I guess because he’s very liberal like they are. Clinton is definitely not moderate, but she is more moderate than Obama. I just think he will have a really hard time winning this election. If he wins, it will only be by fooling a lot of people, because most Americans do not have his ultraliberal life view. Most Americans are middle of the road, and McCain comes a lot closer to the middle of the road than obama.
Posted by: vickster | May 18, 2008, 3:59 pm 3:59 pm
I see you all still going at it……who’s winning? LOL
Posted by: say what | May 18, 2008, 4:15 pm 4:15 pm
Vickster said: I realize that many of you Obama supporters think that Clinton supporters are just suffering from a bad case of “sour grapes”, but for voters in the middle, like me, it is easier to move a little to the right on issues and choose McCain than for us to move WAY over the the far left and vote for Obama. I think the DNC is making a big mistake by not getting behind their more moderate candidate.
_____________________________________
GREAT POINT Vickster, and I believe there are millions of Democrats who feel the same as you. I, for one, would much rather vote for a centrist Republican, than an inexperienced, deceptive, ruthless and divisive Obama.
Posted by: Sally | May 18, 2008, 4:15 pm 4:15 pm
James, I saw the sermons from Senator Obama’s church. While there was some far-out stuff in them I do not remember those phrases that you quoted. So I think it must be safe to ASSUME that those were not in fact preached at the church.
I have no doubt that the book you refer to exists. I think if you were to really study things you would find that there is in fact no organized religion that does not have some twisted thinking at its fringes.
As I pointed out earlier my own faith has more than a few said chapters in it. I am sure if I knew your faith I could discover some connections that would undermine it and by your logic you as well.
Posted by: Bob | May 18, 2008, 4:20 pm 4:20 pm
Paid blogger? Nope. I’m not paid. Just an ole broad who tells it like it is.
But thanks for the compliment. You made my day!
;-)
hugs,
aunt becky
Posted by: Aunt Becky | May 18, 2008, 4:21 pm 4:21 pm
Looks like she’s been drinking from the wine barrels in that pic.
Sounds like it too.
She’s all washed up.
A fake who rode in on her hubby’s taails.
Women’s lib, eh?
FAKE.
Posted by: Rock | May 18, 2008, 4:26 pm 4:26 pm
Looks like she’s been drinking from the wine barrels in that pic.
Sounds like it too.
She’s all washed up.
A fake who rode in on her hubby’s tails.
Women’s lib, eh?
FAKE.
Posted by: Rock | May 18, 2008, 4:26 pm 4:26 pm
Looks like she’s been drinking from the wine barrels in that pic.
Sounds like it too.
She’s all washed up.
A fake who rode in on her hubby’s tails.
Women’s lib, eh?
FAKE.
Posted by: Rock | May 18, 2008, 4:27 pm 4:27 pm
Rock: Hey stupid… that is whiskey in those barrels… read the article you might learn a thing or two..
Posted by: kevin | May 18, 2008, 4:47 pm 4:47 pm
I wish Clinton would just stick to the issues and why she is a better choice than making up statistics that she is winning. Her statement that she is ahead in electoral count is imaginary since not a single electoral vote has been determined yet.
Posted by: MikeMo1947 | May 18, 2008, 4:48 pm 4:48 pm
Hillary went to Bosnia. Obama sat in a church for 20 years and never heard a word his pastor, Rev Wright said. Which tall tale is bigger?
Posted by: Anders Scooper | May 18, 2008, 4:52 pm 4:52 pm
i know the comments on both sides can be ugly ..here…
but rhbate…be careful…
you can win the battle and lose the war in blogs commentary like your
arrogance has no place for the
state senator from illinois
…he would do well to not only listen very very carefullly to HIllary
right about now…
he will become bantha fodder fro the rnc…if he doesn’t…
hillary can turn on him in a dime
and his nice little affirmative action dream …
can come crashing down…
she wears the pantssuit ..rhbates
and you’re arrogance…
well..quoting the bible where rev wright may say
“pride cometh before a fall…”
if it applies to one…it will
apply to the other…
hillary contains the swing vote states in her right hand…
and she wields a very big political stick
in terms of the working class white male and older female and senior citizen vote
o man knows this…kennedy “i got all seized up” knows this…
and so does the donna “i’m not that grey yet”..brazille
know this..as well
B nice to our fallen heroine…
or she will turn and bite you
but maybe just maybe not her
but he loyal 17 million member
army…
don’t even try to respond either
w/ more arrogance…or…
it will get very nasty out here
regardless of how hillary plays out her end game her shock troops
are going to be like very very cautious
allies…
if..that….
and one little perceived wrong…
and you can lose your dreams of your
brother…in arms…
Posted by: bigtimeohioan | May 18, 2008, 4:52 pm 4:52 pm
It’s ok to disagree… but can we do it without being so durned disagreeable?
Hugs,
Aunt Becky
:::who is not a paid blogger but is still “kvelling” over the compliment:::
Posted by: Aunt Becky | May 18, 2008, 4:56 pm 4:56 pm
Bob: With all due respect, you are missing the point. When you talk about the Catholic religions opposition to abortion, for example, you are talking about a moral issue that is applied across the board, without respect to race. Black liberation theology is BASED UPON THE STRUGGLE BETWEEN THE BLACK OPPRESSED AND THE WHITE OPPRESSOR. It is a race-based theology. That is why the Southern Poverty Law Center considers religious groups who believe such things to be hate groups. If you saw some of the Rev. Wright rants, you had to notice that he brought up “white people” on more than one occasion. This is consistent with his belief that “white people” are responsible for society’s ills, and only the “black value system” can save it.
First, here is a link to Obama’s church where they admit they preach black liberation theology, and that it is based on the teachings of James H. Cone. They offer his seminal book about Obama’s religion on their site, also. It is called “Black Theology and Black Power.”
http://tinyurl.com/5q7rjk
Next, if you have the time, read the books of Cone, starting with the above-referenced book. I have to warn you, however, that all of the hatred and racism makes for a rather depressing read. If you don’t have time to fully research this issue, then go on the web. Certain other sources may be helpful, also:
http://tinyurl.com/3jc5je
http://tinyurl.com/5qoygw
http://tinyurl.com/yr38go
After you have completed your research, you will find that my earlier post about Obama’s religion is true; that it is racist and divisive. Then, you need to figure out in your own mind, what it says about a man who would practice such beliefs for 20 years, who would expose his family and children to this theology of hate.
Posted by: James | May 18, 2008, 5:00 pm 5:00 pm
Yes, everyone that doesn’t support Obama is a racist. Although, it is ok for him to have attended a racist church for 20 years because the MSM and his cult like followers say so.
Posted by: Mack | May 18, 2008, 5:04 pm 5:04 pm
Obama and McCain should be worried. Obama supporters are hoping to discourage the strong support Hillary has. You know, the strong support that exist among people despite the media bombardment campaign for Obama. The Republicans were his most ardent supporters on CNN and MSNBC. Gee, I wonder what we “delusionists” know? We know that we are not influenced by propaganda…..We know that in getting our vote MONEY DOESN’T TALK. So go ahead and drool over your dream guy, let him spend his millions, where ever that’s coming from. We have made OUR choice and it’s Hillary all the way…
Posted by: irma | May 18, 2008, 5:05 pm 5:05 pm
Hillary won 84 out of 88 counties in OHio
most w/ over 64% of the vote
she won 70 out of 76 counties in PA
…she won..being outspent 4 to 1
and she won against ALL major newspaper endorsements in Ohio and many in pa
and she won…in
every surburban area of Ohio as well
well beyond ANY demographic that
ANY political pundit or spin doctor
can EVEN BEGIN TO MENTION MUCH LESS EXPLAIN
SO again obama folks…be very very
careful about this apparent victory
for a guy who won idaho and nebraska and maryland and wyoming
but lost so many key states in signficant numbers
the repbulican don’t use affirmative action policies to elect
their nominee like the dems do
so…be a little humble here
So goes Ohio..so goes the nation…
and guys
Karl Rove and G Bush visited Ohio
22 times in the fall of 04
so..my good o ring friends
be humble…
losing 84 out of 88 counties of this
state
i would not be boasting of his
“kick ass” win against hillary
she will have the popular vote
locked down by the time PR primary
is counted…rock solid
not even close
pr has a million voters and 75% will
b for her…
so …to all who question her statement she is ahead
keep on saying she is in non reality
…
you will eat those words in
about three weeks…
regardless of the proportional delegate count based on affirmative action
non -republican methodology
and more important
NON GE electorial methodology
supers …take note…
your final casting call is about
to determine the fate of the this
next four years and perhaps
our nation…
Posted by: bigtimeohioan | May 18, 2008, 5:06 pm 5:06 pm
Wow! I’m truly amazed at the Hillary supporters who are giving her such a bad name. It’s no wonder she has lost. What a sad way for her to go out. And what a sad way for her to be remembered. Her supporters are proving once and for all that the apples don’t fall too far from the tree.
Posted by: amazed | May 18, 2008, 5:08 pm 5:08 pm
Wow! I’m truly amazed at the Hillary supporters who are giving her such a bad name. It’s no wonder she has lost. What a sad way for her to go out. And what a sad way for her to be remembered. Her supporters are proving once and for all that the apples don’t fall too far from the tree.
Posted by: amazed | May 18, 2008, 5:08 pm 5:08 pm
When mainstream media tells me that the math doesn’t work it seems like the 4 to 1 win in West VA doesn’t count and the votes of 2.5 million people in Florida and Michigan shouldn’t be counted. They certainly will count in the general election. Actually Clinton is ahead in popular vote—around 50,000. In electoral votes Clinton has 311 to Obama’s 217 and the number needed to win the nomination is 2210 considering Florida and Michigan, not 2025 which is media speak and Obama’s math. I don’t think that Florida and Michigan will volunteer not to vote in the general election.
Posted by: Cindalee48 | May 18, 2008, 5:08 pm 5:08 pm
James is right. Honestly, I found Rev. Wright to be likable obviously because he is very entertaining. Nonetheless, Obama chose the church for political reasons. Unfortunately, he chose a radical church and had his daughters developmental stage influenced by radicalism which is never good for all people. Unless he wasn’t planning on being a President for ALL people, in which case his choice of church would be self explanatory.
Posted by: irma | May 18, 2008, 5:12 pm 5:12 pm
rhbate: Yeah, Hagee’s attitude about Catholics was pretty bad. Good thing he is not the “mentor or spiritual adviser” of any of the Presidential candidates. It was right of McCain to denounce Hagee’s Catholic hate speech, and it was right of Hagee to apologize for it this last week. Too bad Obama didn’t give up his association with his racist church many years ago, as a statement that he is against racism. Yes, too bad.
Posted by: James | May 18, 2008, 5:16 pm 5:16 pm
Hillary won 84 out of 88 counties in OHio
most w/ over 64% of the vote
she won 70 out of 76 counties in PA
…she won..being outspent 4 to 1
and she won against ALL major newspaper endorsements in Ohio and many in pa
and she won…in
every surburban area of Ohio as well
well beyond ANY demographic that
ANY political pundit or spin doctor
can EVEN BEGIN TO MENTION MUCH LESS EXPLAIN
SO again obama folks…be very very
careful about this apparent victory
for a guy who won idaho and nebraska and maryland and wyoming
but lost so many key states in signficant numbers
the repbulican don’t use affirmative action policies to elect
their nominee like the dems do
so…be a little humble here
So goes Ohio..so goes the nation…
and guys
Karl Rove and G Bush visited Ohio
22 times in the fall of 04
so..my good o ring friends
be humble…
losing 84 out of 88 counties of this
state
i would not be boasting of his
“kick ass” win against hillary
she will have the popular vote
locked down by the time PR primary
is counted…rock solid
not even close
pr has a million voters and 75% will
b for her…
so …to all who question her statement she is ahead
keep on saying she is in non reality
…
you will eat those words in
about three weeks…
regardless of the proportional delegate count based on affirmative action
non -republican methodology
and more important
NON GE electorial methodology
supers …take note…
your final casting call is about
to determine the fate of the this
next four years and perhaps
our nation…
REDUX
She WON WVA BY WINNING EVERY COUNTY IN THAT STATE
and w/ a 41% margin of victory…
and …i would not be beaosting of losing or coming in second to a white “washed up” first lady
in new york, nj, tenn, arkansas, california, NH, RH I, Mass [oops i almost forgot that one]
but since March 4th…she’s won six states..to his one…
and has more than won the popular vote and will do so again on tues…
then see what happens in PR…it will be a blow OUT
better get donna b and how WEIRD dean
and get those flo problems worked
PRIOR TO PR
OR ELSE!!!!
[i also be looking for some more grey hairs donna if PR gets counted in any meaningful way too! ]
Posted by: bigtimeohioan | May 18, 2008, 5:16 pm 5:16 pm
I am a yellow dog democrat and I will never vote for Obama. B.O.’s campaign and the Obama supporters (as well as the media) have been very disrepectful and demeaning to Hillary Clinton and that is not necessary. No amount of calls for “unity” will change my mind. “The Movement” for Hillary Clinton is real and it will be real no matter who is the candidate for President.
Posted by: John | May 18, 2008, 5:20 pm 5:20 pm
James, It is ironic that you think I am missing your point because I know that you are missing mine. I have attended a church for longer than twenty year. That church preaches from the pulpit that Homosexuality is wrong, that abortionists are murderers. And yet those are not my views. I do not believe those things. And yet I could list an endless number of links that show those are part of my faith.
I am saying that the logic you are using is flawed. You cannot judge a person by their faith. It doesn’t work and also it seems kind of unAmerican.
Posted by: Bob | May 18, 2008, 5:22 pm 5:22 pm
Wow! I’m truly amazed at the Hillary supporters who are giving her such a bad name. It’s no wonder she has lost. What a sad way for her to go out. And what a sad way for her to be remembered. Her supporters are proving once and for all that the apples don’t fall too far from the tree.
Posted by: amazed | May 18, 2008, 5:22 pm 5:22 pm
Puerto Rico
has over one million votes
election day there is juni 1
No wonder Howeird dean chose
May 31 to try to finish the
coup d grace against Hil babe
PR WILL put Hillary over for good
in the popular vote count
thre’s like a 80% turn out rate
among the voters there
bigtimeOhioan
is right
Posted by: appalachian blue | May 18, 2008, 5:27 pm 5:27 pm
Irma
Sorry but the church isn’t radical. Any news story started by Fox news should be taken with grain of truth. Rev Wright is entitled to his political opinion. But politics and religion are separate. Black Liberation Theology is not radical — Rev King was a preacher of this theology. Pastor Hagee is more of a radical Christian then Wright is. Black Urban Churches also has some of these political beliefs as well. That is because most elder pastors are critical of the government and easily buy into conspiracies. Obama is a victim of cultural differences and not going to radical church.
Posted by: MM | May 18, 2008, 5:28 pm 5:28 pm
amazed
be careful commentin on hil babe’s
end game
you may just find out her ghost
is worse than your brand new
affirmative action nominee
RNC doesn’t give a da*
about…affirmative action
proportional delegate counts
across the big swing states
and they do it like all true
elections do it
winner takes all
this new math…which all dems
did agree to…
is about to hoist the dem party
on its own affirmative action
pretard…
Posted by: bigtimeOhioan | May 18, 2008, 5:31 pm 5:31 pm
Bob: No offense, but you really need to study this issue before you can make intelligent comments about it. When I first heard about it, I study black liberation theology for several months. That’s why I suggested that you actually read the books of Cone and Dwight Hopkins. That’s the best I can do for you; I can’t take the time on the Internet to educate you. So, until you’ve done that, let’s just agree to disagee, OK?
Posted by: James | May 18, 2008, 5:37 pm 5:37 pm
MM
i have to strongly disagree
REv M L King Jr did NOT adopt and specifically REJECTED
this kind of liberation theology
when it came to afro centric theological militant race baiting
his entire life was devoted and his entire theology was that of the
“beautiful community”
…it as FAR AS CAN BE FROM THE
PREACHING OF REV WRIGHT
in its intent
where there may be some overlap
is the focus on militarism and
and poverty among poor blacks
but…even king…preached
that there were more poor whites
in need of assistance than that of
poor urban AA
his entire thematic message
was the immortal words
“all God’s children will be judged by the content of our character…etc.etc.
references…
not …”the white devil did this to us”
and
“its time to call out
the Italian style lynching of our
brother….like the romans did
the palestinian…”
CAN YOU EVEN IMAGINE DR KING EVER CALLING ANY LYNCHING AN
“ITALIAN STYLE LYNCHING”
but ESPECIALLY THAT WHICH WAS THE
SACRED WORK OF CHRIST JESUS ON THE
CROSS?
come on please…don’t insult the
theological perspective of our
nation’s greatest protestant pastor
of the twentieth century…
Posted by: appalachian blue | May 18, 2008, 5:39 pm 5:39 pm
All the King’s horses and All the King’s men, still won’t give Hillary a nomination win. It’s over for her! Period! The people of KY definitely matter…but the vote total won’t make any difference!
That’s what happens when your ego claims an “inevitable” victory. She never saw him coming and it just tears her & her supporters up that she wasn’t able to win this fair and square. She ran her failed campaign the way she planned to run our nation…into the ground! I don’t blame her supporters for wanting to vote for McCain. A vote for McCain IS a vote for Hillary. The shame of it all is that it still won’t work…not even if she embarrasses herself further by running as an Independent. Sorry folks, Not This Time!
Posted by: shameful | May 18, 2008, 5:42 pm 5:42 pm
56 hours until Obama seals the deal.
Obama needs to win 25 more pledged delegates to win a majority of the 3253 available delegates. He will pick up these 25 delegates on Tuesday and have won the majority of delegates and the nomination on Tuesday night.
You are truly dreaming if you think the super-delegates who have been endorsing Obama 5-1 over Clinton since Super-Tuesday are going to reverse course. On Tuesday you can expect Obama to announce his victory.
Posted by: iggy | May 18, 2008, 5:47 pm 5:47 pm
Hey rhbate; Don’t you just love the rich Kennedy compound? How about that Teresa HEINZE-Kerry, that’s some great ketchup! AAAAhhhh rich people for the poor, who have rich people as their base. OOOOOOOOOO
Posted by: irma | May 18, 2008, 5:58 pm 5:58 pm
25 delegates does not equate
to the number needed to win the nomination iggy
its just a majority number
you have to watch the truly
funny interview w/ Morning Joe
and Pat Buchanan about this figure
you just put out…
its nothing …and unless he wins
130 delegates on tues
which he will not…he isn’t the nominee
and until florida and mi are not seated
no one knows eventually what the total will have to be
and…don’t think this is pure wishful or weeping and gnashing of teeth
the florida seating..issue
is going to cause a literal RIOT
if it doesn’t happen in a just and fair way…
…but watch out for PUERTO RICO
in terms of the popular vote totals
latinos outnumber AA’s the usa today
and i would not want to say i “just lost 80%” of them in pr
and claim to be the moral leader
of the new math dem party system
as everyone is so readily doing
its very easy to contemplate his math
to a victory…
but…he isn’t there…just yet iggy
and won’t be after tues
keepin on wishing…
maybe…
next time…maybe
Posted by: appalachian blue | May 18, 2008, 5:59 pm 5:59 pm
To “Fake”: If your 18 year old niece is in need of money, perhaps you can encourage her to work with the Hillary campaign. Oh, that’s right….Hillary doesn’t have any money (at least not the kind that pays vendors for their services). Maybe your niece can ask for some of the $109 million. Oh, that’s right…she only uses That money to fund a campaign that she’s already lost. Guess she can always “look up to Hillary”. Oh, that’s right…it’s hard to look up to someone who is already knocked out. Who believes that rules are only for those pesky winners who win fairly. Well, your niece is certainly welcomed to join the Obama team! There’s no payment involved…but the Best part is that there’s no charge for her future prosperity…no matter who her aunt/uncle is! Good Luck & Good Bye!
Posted by: amazed | May 18, 2008, 6:08 pm 6:08 pm
rhbate
are you a poser here?
even Obama is no longer attacking
hillary
but you seem to have one venom thing
to say over and over again
Bill was correct..jackson did win SC
and Michigan and he never made it out
of those states..beyond that
so what????
was bill not stating a fact?
Does Hillary get blasted for simply
stating obama was not a muslim to the
best of her knowledge
did she bath him? did she wash him
as a teen?
did she know of every religous mosque or church or elder he ever spoke to?
Of course not..and if it had come out
at the time..he had some muslim background ..[so what if he did?]
hillary would have been tarred and feathered about
“knowing more about him”
…its a joke…
the comments about
bill and hillary by obama’s supporters
are good foder though
because they fired up places like
wva and ky and ohio in its rural
and in pa…
i hope you do the same to mccain
because you are sure to lose
the key swing winner take all
states in teh fall if you keep up
this kind of tirade
just like o man lost ohio tenn, oklahoma, pa, mass, wva, indy, ky
and many other major states including
nevade and new mexico by making
race a factor in the election process
by tring to make out the “other”
as being a ‘race baiter’
we all are adults and have our own opinions as to how certain minority groups have used their own racial politic to gain an advantage
in this national election
you took a couple who have many many
and still have many many deep ties
to the AA culture and to many of their
leaders and count many as their friends
and tried to make them out to be
something of racists…
its so very sad…
if hillary was just quoting what
everYONE on these blogs and in the media was stating about her last few state backers
were demographically
does that mean she was stating anything
new? and different than you yourselves
were stating just the day prior to
covering what the AP had stated
about her wins in the former midwest elections?
but its a big news story..when she speaks
because she is the natural leader among all dems…even obama doesn’t open his mouth on some policy issue or paper w/o consulting hers first…everyone sees this …you must be blind if you don’t…
[SNL made it into a national joke in fact right?]
everywhere…
she is gifted beyond most anyone
else on the seen
and like any black or asian or minority person knows
she has to be better
because simplyh
she is a female going after the
man’s world of high power position…
Posted by: appalachiab blue | May 18, 2008, 6:12 pm 6:12 pm
ha ha appalacha
with a mojority of the pledged delegates comes an automatic super-delegate majority in this election
beside Clinton has no money to keep going.
Hillary supporters are begging Obama supporters for some cash to pay her debts.
money talks, Hillary has none.
Posted by: Iggy | May 18, 2008, 6:14 pm 6:14 pm
lOOK WHO IS COMPLAINING??? O B A M A!!!!!, HE SAID, THAT mCcAIN GETS MOR AIR TIME THEN HIM, WHAR A SUCH IGNORANCE, THAT IS WHAT MEDIA IS DOING TO HILLARY LAST 16 MONTHS, AND WHET HILLARY CAMPLAIN ABOUT UNFAIRNESS, HES COMMENT WAS” CRYING BABY!!!
IT IS ABSOLUTELY OK WITH ME, DO NOT GIVE HIM ANY TIME, HE HAS MORE THEN ABYONE ELSE, NOW IS TIME FOR SOMEONE TO DO TO HIM WHAT HE AND HIS GANG IS DOING TO HILLARY, IT IS ABOUT TIME, ROOKIE SHOULD ROOKIES TRETMENT. EVEN TRADER RICHARDSON HAS MORE TIME(CNN ESPECJALY) THEN HILLARY!!!
RUSH LIMBAUGH HAS MY OK TO!!!
Posted by: KARLINO47 | May 18, 2008, 6:20 pm 6:20 pm
Bob: I’m going to give this one more shot. First, I noticed that you never answered my questions:
Would you attend a church which preached that black people were “the devil?” Would you attend a church that preached that “black people” killed Jesus? Would you attend a church which preached that God must help “in the destruction of the black enemy?”
The fact that you didn’t answer such easy questions makes me wonder a little about your objectivity.
However, having said that, here is an easy way to look at it. Your analogy about the Catholic Church is does not apply to Obama’s church, because the Catholic church is not a racist church, meaning that the theology of the church is not racist in and of itself. Black liberation theology is based upon racist principals, as is the KKK. If one is a member of the KKK, it is reasonable to assume that they are a racist, because they are subscribing to a belief system that is inherently racist. The same is true about black liberation theology. Why would one belong to a church whose theology is fundamentally racist, unless one was not a racist, himself? As noted in my other posts, it is fundamentally racist at its core. This is why the Southern Poverty Law Center classifies such churches as hate groups. I don’t know about you, but if I belonged to a church, and the pastor made even one derogatory remark about “black people,” I would never attend another one of his sermons, period. It makes me wonder why the “great uniter” Obama would stay for 20 years. Anyway, in the final analysis, you will see what you want to see.
Posted by: James | May 18, 2008, 6:21 pm 6:21 pm
Can we all just agree that Obama is unelectable in the GE? He can’t win the election with just the far left and black vote. Half the Democratic party won’t support him. He made his bed with Rev Wright and his racist church 20 years ago, now he has to lie in it.
Posted by: Mack | May 18, 2008, 6:35 pm 6:35 pm
These blogs were more fun before Hillary gave up. James: you really need to find an issue that resonates with normal people so you get some answers to your questions.Otherwise you will continue to wonder for the rest of your life seeking answers to questions you can’t understand.
Posted by: iggy | May 18, 2008, 6:50 pm 6:50 pm
I just love the way the Obama people say that the hacks ( super delegates) should vote the way their state went then we get Kennedy, kerry , Gov of Mass and the Gov Richardson voting against their states wishes and the Obama folks accept these traders
Posted by: nick1936 | May 18, 2008, 6:58 pm 6:58 pm
Iggy….
four former governors of Kentucky
have announced in this past week
their strong support for Hillary
….mmm…
someone must have told them that
it was not over
i wonder who would that be?
…perhaps..
the Gop’s video archive file…
but i digress
Posted by: appalachian blue | May 18, 2008, 7:00 pm 7:00 pm
I just love the way the Obama people say that the hacks ( super delegates) should vote the way their state went then we get Kennedy, kerry , Gov of Mass and the Gov Richardson voting against their states wishes and the Obama folks accept these traders
Super-delegates should vote for OBAMA and uphold the results of the elections.
It seems this is exactly what they are doing.
Posted by: schlindamae | May 18, 2008, 7:12 pm 7:12 pm
James, I would not attend the church you describe. Senator Obama did not attend a church like that one either. I was not trying to avoid that question. I just thought that it was a little off point because I have seen no evidence or heard any accusations that what you put in quotes was ever preached at the church Senator Obama attended.
That you repeatedly reference the Southern Poverty Law Center it interesting. If you were to actually visit their website you would notice something quite interesting. The Southern Poverty Law Center does not consider the Trinity United Church of Christ a hate group.
Another telling fact is that you do not point out that the text you keep referencing was written in the middle of a life and death civil rights struggle. It is inflamatory and it is wrong but it was written for a reason at a different time. I do not agree with it. I also do not agree that it reflects what Trinity United stands for.
I think it would be better if we went back to disagreeing about this. I have a feeling that there are reasons you do not want to understand that judging someone by the church they go to is a basic form of bigotry. It is a hateful action. This country was founded on principles that are much higher than that. But in the end a bigot never will see their actions as anything more than objective and enlightened.
Posted by: Bob | May 18, 2008, 7:15 pm 7:15 pm
well that tears it! I’m totally going to vote McCain because of this unfair treatment Hillary received.
Screw Roe Vs Wade, screw the soldiers in Iraq (another 3 or 4 tours of duty aren’t going to kill them…er…I mean, won’t necessarily kill them), and screw the economy that McCain has already admitted that he doesn’t really understand.
Nothing is more important than having firm resolve in my temper tantrum.
Oh yeah – and I don’t like black people.
Posted by: Amy | May 18, 2008, 7:19 pm 7:19 pm
Mack: Yes, we can all agree — Obama is not electable in the general election.
POLITICS 101 FOR OBAMA SUPPORTERS — FIRST: Obama wins the nomination without winning the popular vote, and based upon early unrepresentative causes wins. SECOND: As polls show, at least 28% of Hillary supporters refuse to vote for Obama, and many instead vote for McCain. THIRD: This leaves Obama with the African Americans, the teenyboppers, and the party elite. FOURTH: The Republican Party is energized by the prospect of running against an inexperienced, deceptive and divisive politician, with a list of shady associations longer than a football field. FIFTH: With much ammunition, the 527s pepper the airwaves with Obama’s gaffes, Rev. Wright, William “the bomb” Ayers, black liberation theology, the most liberal member of the Senate, Bittergate, etc. SIXTH: The night before the election, the Obama teenyboppers have mass celebratory keg parties all over the country, get too drunk, and are unable to vote in the election the next day. SEVENTH: Obama is defeated and John McCain takes the oath of office in front of millions of cheering Republicans and Democrats. EIGHTH: Patriotic and savvy observers around the country breathe a collective sigh of relief in realization of how narrowly they had adverted disaster. NINTH: Many Obama supporters have to attend 12-step programs in an effort to wean themselves off of their addiction to responding to all criticism with attacks, insults, and race cards.
Posted by: James | May 18, 2008, 7:22 pm 7:22 pm
Amy, you sound like the racist people that Obama was preaching about in his race speach. Why don’t you change your evil ways and come join the Obama people?
Posted by: Gretchen | May 18, 2008, 7:26 pm 7:26 pm
I wouldn’t vote for Hillary–even if she were standing on a stack of bibles and waving the American flag.
Posted by: orange cat | May 18, 2008, 7:26 pm 7:26 pm
I have been printing and saving the hate filled posts of the Obama supporters. I have several hanging on my bathroom mirror and read them while I am getting dressed in the morning. This is why I am voting for McCain if Hillary is not the candidate.
Posted by: TerryinWI | May 18, 2008, 7:31 pm 7:31 pm
Anyone who says he/she will vote for McShame rather than Obama is being very foolish. You’d rather hurt yourselves than come together for the party’s good. An African American, well qualified man is winning, and you just can’t bear it. You only care about yourselves; about POOR Hillary who’s laughing all the way to the bank as she begs for your contributions knowing that she can’t win the nomination. It’s not about YOU! It’s not about HRC; it’s about a broken country that needs to be fixed! You’re in denial. She can’t win. WAKE UP!
Posted by: Carol | May 18, 2008, 7:31 pm 7:31 pm
Carol, I’m making a video and wonder if you could read your last post out loud while skipping through a daisy field? That should give it the impact it deserves!
Posted by: Decided | May 18, 2008, 7:35 pm 7:35 pm
JAMES…… everytime I read a post like yours I go to obama.com and send him a little more money. This real support (financial support) is why he will win. Its something Hillary cetainly no longer has and McCain might never have. Its also the reason Obama is the likely winner of the general election.
Posted by: MicMacarac | May 18, 2008, 7:36 pm 7:36 pm
Wise up American people most of you are dunner than a box of rocks.
American people wise up and vote for a indpendit.
Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems
And then campaign against them.
Have you ever wondered why if both the Democrats and the Republicans are against deficits we have deficits?
Have you ever wondered why if all the politicians are against inflation and high taxes we have inflation and high taxes?
You and I don’t propose a federal budget.
The president does.
You and I don’t have the Constitutional authority to vote on appropriations.
The House of Representatives does.
You and I don’t write the tax code Congress does.
You and I don’t set fiscal policy Congress does.
You and I don’t control monetary policy The Federal Reserve Bank does.
One hundred senators 435 congressmen one president
And nine Supreme Court justices
- 545 human beings out of the 300 million -
Are directly legally morally and individually
Responsible for the domestic problems that plague this country.
I excluded the members of the Federal Reserve Board because that
Problem was created by the Congress.
In 1913Congress delegated its Constitutional duty to provide a
Sound currency to a federally chartered but private central bank.
I excluded all the special interests and lobbyists for a sound reason.
They have no legal authority.
They have no ability to coerce a senator a congressman or a president
To do one cotton-picking thing.
I don’t care if they offer a politician $1 million dollars in cash.
The politician has the power to accept or reject it. No matter what the
Lobbyist promises it is the legislator’s responsibility to determine how he votes.
Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy convincing you
That what they did is not their fault. They cooperate in this common
Con regardless of party.
What separates a politician from a normal human being
Is an excessive amount of gall.
No normal human being would have the gall of a Speaker who stood up and criticized the President for creating deficits.
The president can only propose a budget.
He cannot force the Congress to accept it.
The Constitution which is the supreme law of the land gives
Sole responsibility to the House of Representatives for originating
And approving appropriations and taxes.
Who is the speaker of the House?
She is the leader of the majority party.
She and fellow House members not the president can approve any budget they want.
If the president vetoes it they can pass it over his veto
If they agree to. It seems inconceivable to me that a nation
Of 300 million can not replace 545 people who stand convicted
– by present facts – of incompetence and irresponsibility.
I can’t think of a single domestic problem that is not traceable directly to those 545 people.
When you fully grasp the plain truth that 545 people exercise the power of the federal government then it must follow that what exists is what they want to exist.
If the tax code is unfair it’s because they want it unfair.
If the budget is in the red it’s because they want it in the red.
If the Marines are in IRAQ it’s because they want them in IRAQ.
If they do not receive social security but are on an elite retirement plan
Not available to the people it’s because they want it that way
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Posted by: Ross Proll | May 18, 2008, 7:37 pm 7:37 pm
Micmac – let me give you a little advice on blogging. No one believes that you are sending money to Obama because of what others post. That is so lame.
Posted by: Notwithstupid | May 18, 2008, 7:43 pm 7:43 pm
New article on this in PR titles.
Posted by: Psst; over here | May 18, 2008, 7:51 pm 7:51 pm
Bob said: That you repeatedly reference the Southern Poverty Law Center it interesting. If you were to actually visit their website you would notice something quite interesting. The Southern Poverty Law Center does not consider the Trinity United Church of Christ a hate group.
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BOB: It does not list Trinity, per se, but it does say that there exists certain religious hate groups that “assert that blacks — not Jews — are the Biblical “chosen people” of God.”
This is consistent with the teachings of black liberation theology. Those who practice black liberation theology, including Rev. Wright, preach that Jesus was black, and his killers were white. (Did you see the video where he says just this? How about where he describes the killers as “garlic nosed” Italians? Is this the kind of language you would prefer in your church?) Now why, Bob, would the story of Jesus be framed as a black/white issue, unless there was an intent to be divisive? It is very similar to the bigoted far-right Christian churches who purposefully relate the story of Jesus as one in which he was killed by the “Jews.” Rational people know what this means. It is a slight against ALL Jews, just like Rev. Wright’s story is a slight against all “whites.”
Finally, I’m sure there are many other relatively small racist organizations and churches which are not listed on the SPLC website, also. That doesn’t mean that they don’t exist.
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Bob said: I have a feeling that there are reasons you do not want to understand that judging someone by the church they go to is a basic form of bigotry. It is a hateful action.
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BOB: To point out racism or bigotry is not a racist or bigoted act. If it were, then all those who criticize the KKK or Nazis would be considered racists or bigots. Please post any statement I have made that is racist or bigoted. If you cannot, then consider your apology accepted in advance.
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Bob said: Another telling fact is that you do not point out that the text you keep referencing was written in the middle of a life and death civil rights struggle. It is inflamatory and it is wrong but it was written for a reason at a different time. I do not agree with it. I also do not agree that it reflects what Trinity United stands for.
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BOB: If it is so outdated and irrelevant, then why does Obama’s church recommend it to their members, and why do they sell it on their website? Why does Rev. Wright describe the theology of their church thusly: “The vision statement of Trinity United Church of Christ is based upon the systematized liberation theology that started in 1969 with the publication of Dr. James Cone’s book, Black Power and Black Theology.” Moreover, Bob, I have the most recent version of that book which was published a few years ago. In the forward, Cone discusses the book and its contents, and says only that he wishes he would have discussed gender issues more. There was no softening of the tone with regard to the obviously racist language that I posted before. Also, not all of the quotes were from that book. The worst of them was from a book of his with a more recent vintage.
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As I’ve said, Bob, you will believe what you must. But I would like to leave you with one more question. If Hillary had attended a white racist church for 20 years, and considered its white racist pastor to be her “mentor and spiritual adviser,” would you be willing to give her the same pass that you seem compelled to give Obama?
Posted by: James | May 18, 2008, 7:51 pm 7:51 pm
I’d rather vote for no one than to vote for McShame. At least I could live with myself, knowing that I didn’t contribute to more of our troops losing their lives over a meaningless war. Those of you saying you would vote for him rather than Obama have no compassion for familes losing loved ones in Iraq. IT’S ALL ABOUT YOU! ‘POOR HILLARY! Shame on you! You’ll be the first ones CRYING THE BLUES when gas prices reach $10 a gallon, you can’t afford to buy groceries, yada, yada, yada.
WAKE UP!
Posted by: Carol | May 18, 2008, 7:52 pm 7:52 pm
I think it’s funny that average income people think they are the ones funding Obama’s campaign. Follow the money….You may have more small donations, as all campaigns do. However the big bucks come from……Hmmm?
Posted by: irma | May 18, 2008, 7:55 pm 7:55 pm
TerryinWi – you sound a lot like me. I print the hate-filled diatribes of Obama supporters and roll around naked in them.
I’d rather absorb all of that hate into my own body than have any of it reach the precious ears of the Blessed Hillary – Our Lady of Pain, Suffering, and Unfair MSNBC Coverage.
Posted by: Amy | May 18, 2008, 8:02 pm 8:02 pm
James It was very subtle how you put the Trinity United church in the same category as the KKK and the Nazi party. Silly, misguided, wrong but a deft and subtle move all the same. When the Trinity United Church sends 8 million innocent people to their deaths or lynches, murders, burns and terrifies thousands and thousands of people your parallel will have some meaning. In other words despite you logical slight of hand you will not be getting an apology.
This whole conversation grew out of your statement as fact that Senator Obama was a racist. Yet you have never given any of his actions or statements to back up that so called fact. Instead you try to paint a picture of his church. Painting him guilty through by means of association.
I am not sure how well you understand the work of the Southern Poverty Law Center but I can assure you if they felt that the Trinity United Church were a hate group they would be saying something about it, very loudly.
On the question of giving Senator Clinton a pass I will say this. I watched a speech where Senator Clinton repeatedly praised a former member of the KKK. I found it disgusting. She did it because this former member of the KKK helped her win a very, very important election. I don’t know if I would say I was giving her a pass on that but….
Posted by: Bob | May 18, 2008, 8:23 pm 8:23 pm
Irma:
HOW OBAMA HAS USED GEORGE BUSH/KARL ROVE TACTICS TO OBTAIN OVER $62,000,000 FOR HIS CAMPAIGN, SO FAR!:
The Wash. Post
Obama gets plenty of money from big donors too: “Sen. Barack Obama credits his presidential campaign with creating a ‘parallel public financing system’ built on a wave of modest donations from homemakers and high school teachers. … But those with wealth and power also have played a critical role in creating Obama’s record-breaking fundraising machine, and their generosity has earned them a prominent voice in shaping his campaign. Seventy-nine ‘bundlers,’ five of them billionaires, have tapped their personal networks to raise at least $200,000 each. … Donors who have given more than $200 account for about half of Obama’s total haul, which stands at nearly $240 million…. The bundler list also sheds light on those who might seek to influence an Obama White House. They have helped the campaign recruit more than 27,000 donors to write checks for $2,300, the maximum allowed. Donors who have given more than $200 account for about half of Obama’s total haul, which stands at nearly $240 million. The use of bundlers was perfected by George W. Bush, who in 2000 and 2004 set some fundraising records that Obama has shattered.
http://tinyurl.com/6dtgq6
Posted by: James | May 18, 2008, 8:34 pm 8:34 pm
Why anybody in their right mind wants to vote for Obama is beyond me.Anyway there is no accounting for test.I am a strong Hillary supporter and nothing in this world will make me vote for that empty suit Obama.That man should have waited for his turn.
Posted by: Iffymens | May 18, 2008, 8:38 pm 8:38 pm
Iffymens, I hear you. Hillary DESERVES the presidency! She put up with a lying, cheating husband all those years! taking to bed with all sorts of women and making Hillary feel ashamed and insecure and unsexy. Obama has plenty of time to run – he’s still a young black man.
Posted by: Amy | May 18, 2008, 8:48 pm 8:48 pm
I WILL COMMENT TO THE MEDIA ABC AND OTHERS. I find myself amazed at some of the pictures you use of HILLARY CLINTON You seem to intentionally find the least flattering out of all the beautiful ones available. To prove what point ??? That you have little respect, and even less integrity ?? After all this lady is a U.S,.Senator a Former FIRST LADY and a Presidential CANDIATE.Where is our Media of Moral Integrity gone ???/ I meet with two groups of middle age MEN and WOMEN twice a week .W e have discussed this regularly, We ARE EDUCATED HARD WORKING individuals ,and we find this very Disturbing, its the Disrespect, for some reason we expect BETTER from the Media of THE UNITED STATES BECAUSE WE HAVE ALWAYS STOOD FOR BETTER. Where has our HONOR GONE ????
Posted by: AMERICAN | May 18, 2008, 8:49 pm 8:49 pm
Bob, with all due respect, you are a fool. Rather than have a real discussion of the issues, you have decided to make this a “debate” between partisans, and that’s just not my style. Therefore, this will be my last post to you.
FOOL SAID:
It was very subtle how you put the Trinity United church in the same category as the KKK and the Nazi party.
I DID NOT COMPARE TRINITY TO THE KKK OR THE NAZI PARTY, AND YOU KNOW THAT. I WAS MAKING A POINT ABOUT RACISM, IN GENERAL, AND THESE ENTITIES ARE THE MOST WELL-KNOWN.
FOOL SAID: Silly, misguided, wrong but a deft and subtle move all the same. When the Trinity United Church sends 8 million innocent people to their deaths or lynches, murders, burns and terrifies thousands and thousands of people your parallel will have some meaning. In other words despite you logical slight of hand you will not be getting an apology.
AGAIN, ONLY A MORON WOULD SUGGEST THAT I WAS DIRECTLY COMPARING TRINITY TO THE KKK OR THE NAZIS, OR IMPLYING THAT TRINITY WAS ENGAGED IN ANY OF THE HEINOUS ACTS COMMITTED BY THEM. THE COMPARISON YOU SUGGEST WAS, INDEED, SO “SUBTLE” THAT IT DIDN’T EXIST. THE FACT THAT YOU CANNOT ARGUE THE ISSUES, AND INSTEAD RESORT TO ASCRIBING INTENT AND MOTIVES TO ME THAT DO NOT EXIST, SHOWS THE PAUCITY OF YOUR POSITION.
FOOL SAID: This whole conversation grew out of your statement as fact that Senator Obama was a racist. Yet you have never given any of his actions or statements to back up that so called fact. Instead you try to paint a picture of his church. Painting him guilty through by means of association.
I MERELY SAID THAT IF ONE ATTENDS A CHURCH OR ORGANIZATION WHOSE THEOLOGY OR PHILOSOPHY IS BASED ON RACISM, IT IS NOT UNREASONABLE TO ASSUME THAT PERSON IS A RACIST. THAT IS MY OPINION, AND NOTWITHSTANDING YOUR ATTEMPT TO PAINT ME AS A BIGOT IN ANOTHER ONE OF YOUR POSTS, SO FAR AS I KNOW, WE STILL HAVE A RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH IN THIS COUNTRY.
FOOL SAID: I am not sure how well you understand the work of the Southern Poverty Law Center but I can assure you if they felt that the Trinity United Church were a hate group they would be saying something about it, very loudly.
UNLESS YOU ARE THE DIRECTOR OF SPLC, YOU CANNOT “ASSURE” ANY SUCH THING, AND I’M SURE YOU KNOW THAT. MOREOVER, YOU ARE SUGGESTING THE IMPOSSIBLE. SPLC CANNOT KNOW ABOUT EVERY SINGLE HATE GROUP IN THE COUNTRY. IT IS SIMPLY IMPOSSIBLE, AND YOU KNOW THAT, TOO. IF YOUR ARGUMENT HAD ANY MERIT, THEN THE LOGICAL CONCLUSION IS THAT THE ONLY RACIST ORGANIZATIONS IN THE WHOLE COUNTRY ARE THOSE LISTED ON THE WEBSITE. SPLC DOES NOT, AND CANNOT MAKE SUCH A CLAIM. THIS, ONCE AGAIN, SHOWS THE EXTENT TO WHICH YOU WILL TWIST THE TRUTH IN ORDER TO “WIN” YOUR DEBATE. AGAIN, NOT MY STYLE.
FOOL SAID: On the question of giving Senator Clinton a pass I will say this. I watched a speech where Senator Clinton repeatedly praised a former member of the KKK. I found it disgusting. She did it because this former member of the KKK helped her win a very, very important election. I don’t know if I would say I was giving her a pass on that but….
SEEING AS HOW YOU ARE AN ADVOCATE, AND NOT AN OBJECTIVE OBSERVER, I DOUBT THE VERACITY OF YOUR STATEMENT. HOWEVER, LET’S ASSUME THAT IT IS TRUE. YOUR STATEMENT “I don’t know if I would say I was giving her a pass on that but . . .” IS WITHOUT SUBSTANCE, AND DIDN’T ANSWER MY QUESTION. SINCE YOU COULDN’T ANSWER IT, I’LL ANSWER IT FOR YOU, BOB. THE ANSWER IS, IF HILLARY CLINTON BELONGED TO A WHITE RACIST CHURCH, AND CONSIDERED ITS WHITE RACIST PASTOR TO BE HER “MENTOR AND SPIRITUAL ADVISER,” THEN YOU, OBAMA, AND THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA WOULD IMMEDIATELY CALL FOR HER WITHDRAWAL FROM THE RACE, AND HER POLITICAL CAREER WOULD BE OVER.
BOB, IT HAS BEEN FUN POKING HOLES IN YOUR ATTEMPTS TO DEFEND YOUR CANDIDATE AND HIS RACIST CHURCH, HOWEVER, IT HAS BECOME RATHER BORING TO ME, AND PROBABLY TO THE REST OF THOSE ON THIS BLOG. WHY DON’T WE SAY, ONCE AND FOR ALL, THAT WE WILL AGREE TO DISAGREE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.
Posted by: James | May 18, 2008, 9:10 pm 9:10 pm
AMERICAN said: I WILL COMMENT TO THE MEDIA ABC AND OTHERS. I find myself amazed at some of the pictures you use of HILLARY CLINTON You seem to intentionally find the least flattering out of all the beautiful ones available.
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I have noticed the same thing. Not only is the media in the bag for Obama, they do intentionally use very unflattering pictures of Hillary. The DNC, the party elite, and the mainstream media are trying desperately to force Hillary out of the race, because they are concerned that she may overtake Obama in the popular vote, even discounting Florida and Michigan. If that were to happen, the DNC would really be in a bind. They want to give this nomination to Obama, but if they did so in the face of Hillary winning the popular vote, her supporters would be even more angry and disaffected than they are now. It is a problem of their own creation.
Posted by: Emily | May 18, 2008, 9:16 pm 9:16 pm
OOPS! Not another one!
http://us.f322.mail.yahoo.com/ym/login?.rand=aluomkomqe8br
McCain’s national finance co-chair exits over lobbyist ties
Posted by: Carol | May 18, 2008, 9:16 pm 9:16 pm
James,
Apparently these folks feel differently;
Largest Crowd Yet: 75,000 Rally in Portland
Posted by: Carol | May 18, 2008, 9:23 pm 9:23 pm
LOL you doubt my VERACITY???
Either you missed Senator Clinton’s victory speech in West Virginia or you did not know Senator Byrd was a member of the KKK.
Anyhow I tried to help you. That’s the best I could do.
Posted by: Bob | May 18, 2008, 9:31 pm 9:31 pm
I’m out of here. Why argue with A bunch of Republican trolls here trying to cause divison among the Dems.
Have a good evening!
Obama08
Posted by: Carol | May 18, 2008, 9:47 pm 9:47 pm
Below are the words of Rev. John Hagee. He is the man whose ENDORSEMENT JOHN McCAIN SOUGHT AND OBTAINED.. When McCain was asked if he repudiated the words of this man, McCain said he is “not responsible for the words of those who endorse him.” He refused to repudiate him. Unlike Obama, he did not“RENOUNCE AND REJECT the comments of Hagee, he EMBRACED the endorsement.
“The Catholic Church is a giant whore.”
“The Bible teaches that when you violate the law of God, that God brings punishment sometimes before the day of judgment. I believe that the Hurricane Katrina was, in fact, the judgment of God against the city of New Orleans…I believe that New Orleans had a level of sin that was offensive to God. The Bible teaches that when you violate the law of God, that God brings punishment sometimes before the day of judgment.”
“I believe that the attack on New York on 9/11 was the result of the libertine lifestyle of the population of that immoral city. If God did not punish America it would become the next to Sodom and Gomorrah.”
Posted by: rhbate | May 18, 2008, 9:51 pm 9:51 pm
Clinton ran the most negative and divisive campaign in history
Hillary: McCain and I have years of experience, Obama has a speech.
Bill: “Well you know Jesse Jackson won SC in 86, it’s not a big deal.
Bill: on Obama‘s campaign. : It’s a “fairy tale, give me a break.”
Bill: “Wouldn’t it be nice to have two loyal Americans running for president?”
Hillary: “You don’t get to choose your family, but you choose your pastor. (Countless times on TV) She chose Bill.!
Hillary: Tons of “bitter” comments.
Hillary: Elitism: “It is clear that the uneducated, hard working Americans – white Americans – vote for me overwhelmingly. They are my core base.”
On whether Obama is a Muslim: “Not as far as I know.”
Posted by: rhbate | May 18, 2008, 9:58 pm 9:58 pm
Clinton ran the most negative and divisive campaign in history
Hillary: McCain and I have years of experience, Obama has a speech.
Bill: “Well you know Jesse Jackson won SC in 86, it’s not a big deal.
Bill: on Obama‘s campaign. : It’s a “fairy tale, give me a break.”
Bill: “Wouldn’t it be nice to have two loyal Americans running for president?”
Hillary: “You don’t get to choose your family, but you choose your pastor. (Countless times on TV) She chose Bill.!
Hillary: Tons of “bitter” comments.
Hillary: Elitism: “It is clear that the uneducated, hard working Americans – white Americans – vote for me overwhelmingly. They are my core base.”
On whether Obama is a Muslim: “Not as far as I know.”
Posted by: rhbate | May 18, 2008, 9:59 pm 9:59 pm
“We are the party of the people, the coal miner, the waitress, the truck driver. We don”t need any elitists in our party. Therefore I am going to loan my campaign another 6.4 million in addition to the 5 million I’ve already lent them. After all, this is supposed to be the party of the working man and woman”
Posted by: rhbate | May 18, 2008, 10:03 pm 10:03 pm
“It is clear that the uneducated, hard working Americans – white Americans – vote for me overwhelmingly. They are my core base.”
Hillary dissed all non-white voters, i.e., Asian-American, African-Americans, Native Americans, Pacific Islanders, Latin Americans and Eskimos. Sounds as though she is saying only “white Americans” are hard working. As a Latino, I am insulted and my friends and I would never vote for her.
Posted by: rhbate | May 18, 2008, 10:06 pm 10:06 pm
“We are the party of the people, the coal miner, the waitress, the truck driver. We don”t need any elitists in our party. Therefore I am going to loan my campaign another 6.4 million in addition to the 5 million I’ve already lent them. After all, this is the party of the working man and woman”
Posted by: rhbate | May 18, 2008, 10:11 pm 10:11 pm
Bill for Co-President in charge of vice.
Bill Clinton: “I did not have sexual relations with that woman – Monica Lewinsky.” EX-CON convicted of perjury and obstruction of justice, lying to a federal grand jury. Stripped of right to practice law. Found in contempt of court. Sued for sexual harassment, and loses. Paid out millions to victims to settle case of sexual assault cases. Like his wife, known to lie at the drop of a hat. First to inject racism into the campaign. This is just for starters. Do you want this sexual predator as CO-PRESIDENT.
The “Blue Dress Kid”
Posted by: rhbate | May 18, 2008, 10:13 pm 10:13 pm
When Bill Clinton came to the White House in1993, Democrats were a congressional majority, with 258 seats in the House. When he left in 2001, they were a minority with 46 fewer seats. There were 30 Democratic governors, when he arrived, 21 eight years later.
A recent ABC News/Washington Post poll found nearly 60 percent of voters think Clinton is dishonest and will lie whenever she thinks she needs to.
Posted by: rhbate | May 18, 2008, 10:15 pm 10:15 pm
When Bill Clinton came to the White House in 1993, Democrats were a congressional majority, with 258 seats in the House. When he left in 2001, they were a minority with 46 fewer seats. There were 30 Democratic governors, when he arrived, 21 eight years later.
A recent ABC News/Washington Post poll found nearly 60 percent of voters think Clinton is dishonest and will lie whenever she thinks she needs to.
Posted by: rhbate | May 18, 2008, 10:17 pm 10:17 pm
Hillary Clinton assisted George Bush in bringing us the Iraq war resulting in the death of over 4000 Americans. She is definitely no “sweetie.”
Hillary Clinton voted to adopt the resolution to declare
Iran a “terrorist organization” thereby enabling Bush to invade Iran.
Hillary spoke of “obliterating” Iran.
Hillary always speaks about how “tough” she is, of being a “fighter,” when what we need is a statesman. Bush was the “fighter,” the kind who sends others to fight and die because of his lack of judgment.“ A fighter like that we don’t need. We need someone who will negotiate, compromise when necessary. Hillary is not the person with the judgment necessary to take the office of commander in chief – “from day one,” or from any other day.
OBAMA 2008
Posted by: rhbate | May 18, 2008, 10:23 pm 10:23 pm
Hillary has become delusional, desperate, demonic and out of control. Bill, being pushed hard by this manic woman, is in a panic, wondering if she saw him with his latest female friend.
In her present state of mind I would highly recommend that Hillary be put on suicide watch.
Posted by: rhbate | May 18, 2008, 10:36 pm 10:36 pm
What is stopping Obama supporters from being able to grasp the concept that there is a growing number of Democrats who would rather vote for McCain than Obama? There will be a mass exodus from the “new” progressive democratic party if Obama is the nominee. I know, you’ll go it alone with the far left, blacks, and new voters. Good luck with that.
Posted by: Mack | May 18, 2008, 10:37 pm 10:37 pm
Posted by: Mack | May 18, 2008 10:37:26 PM
There will be a mass exodus from the “new” progressive democratic party if Obama is the nominee.
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Yeah, right! I’m so scared I’m going to throw my vote away and vote for a delusional, demonic, manic Hillary. I don’t think so, but nice try.
Posted by: rhbate | May 18, 2008, 10:55 pm 10:55 pm
“It is clear that the uneducated, hard working Americans – white Americans – vote for me overwhelmingly. They are my core base.”
Hillary dissed all non-white voters, i.e., Asian-American, African-Americans, Native Americans, Pacific Islanders, Latin Americans and Eskimos. Sounds as though she is saying only “white Americans” are hard working. As a Latino, I am insulted and my friends and I would never vote for her.
Posted by: rhbate | May 18, 2008, 10:56 pm 10:56 pm
rhbate,
You are the man. Tell it the way you see it. There is a “TRUTH,” “THE AMERICAN TRUTH,” the facts, the way they are. As a Native American, I am 100% in support of you – we have “Historians,” white historian that tells the white story or sanitized “American History”. For all the hatemongers, those who hate every one who is not like themselves, they should read: NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC, Jamestown THE REAL STORY, May 2007.
We do not have “Royalty” “Entitled” “Chosen Ones” to represent us in Washington – THIS IS NOT EUROPE, NEVER WAS AND NEVER WILL BE. CHANGES will happen, ask the EGYPTIANS, the GREEKS, the ROMANS and the BRITS. I am here. am I not? Sincerely, Lake Hart, a Native American Writer.
Posted by: Lake Hart - A Native American Writer | May 18, 2008, 11:35 pm 11:35 pm
The way Barack got his first Senate Seat was to get his democratic competitors thrown out of the race. He sent his aides to the courthouse and they just kept challenging signatures until they got all 4 of his competitors disqualified. This included the incumbent, Alice Palmer. Old-style Chicago Politics.
What is so inspirational about Barack?
Posted by: Jean | May 18, 2008, 11:46 pm 11:46 pm
For all those that continue to call Hillary Clinton supporters uneducated that can’t string a “coherent sentence together” and who want to continue to complain about a war that they have not fought…here’s this! I am a 25-year retired veteran of the US Air Force (recently retired also). I have a college degree, am quite capable of stringing together an intelligent and coherent sentence – have been there when there was a war to fight, not just watching it on the TV and I totally agree with the US going to war in Iraq – I had and continue to have (my daughter/son-in-law are in the USAF) a real personal stake – and guess what – I’m an avid Hillary supporter! So I guess that uneducated, can’t string a sentence together, wouldn’t know what a war was if it snuck up on me just doesn’t quite work in my situation now does it? There are PLENTY of Americans like me out there that are quite educated, that have spent the majority of their lives actually defending their country while wearing a uniform and putting their life on the line, not just watching it on CNN who realize that Hillary is our best chance this year. McCain is too maverick, an extension of Bush whether he realizes or not and Obama – I can’t even think of anything to describe him. If he had not been an African-American, he would not have gotten the pass he has in the media – everyone is so afraid of being accused racist a lot is left unsaid. Obama is not anymore righteous than Hillary. Hell, he threw his own 20-year friend/pastor under the bus because he wanted to be President so bad – that’s not hope and change – that’s politics. If he makes it into the Presidency, we will see just how empty that hope and change is and then we’re stuck with it for 4 years. But that’s okay – as an educated, retired military, white woman – I love saying I told you so! Hillary ’08!
Posted by: Kim | May 18, 2008, 11:50 pm 11:50 pm
rhbate,
We are a large group of As Asian-American living in Texas have gone to vote for Hillary in March 4 and we are proud of it! Hillary had OVER 60% of Latino’s votes in Texas. To me you are among small % who don’t vote for her..so don’t brag about it!
Most of my friends at work are Latinos and I have a chance to know their views on Obama. None of them has voted for your candidate because they believe that Obama is a fraud!
Posted by: Asian-American | May 19, 2008, 12:07 am 12:07 am
Kim,
We all want the same things for the Democrats – follow the leaders – let us stay together – we will work together to take back the leadership of the USA and the World – too many negative things done by the Bush Administration has hurt this nation and people globally- we must stay focus and take the “LEAD”again. Let us do it for the DEMOCRATS, and for the USA. Together we stand, divided we fall! Sincerely, Lake Hart, a Native American Writer.
Posted by: Lake Hart - A Native American Writer | May 19, 2008, 12:11 am 12:11 am
rhbate,
Don’t think that Obama’s people are the only ones on earth have the right to make their voices heard. Asian-American people are capable of doing the same thing. We had worked very hard in our community before the election started and we will continue to do so. Hillary is a right choice and if she ever gives up. We will go for John McCain or don’t vote at all. We will try our best to let our people know that OBAMA IS A FRAUD. Get a message?
Posted by: Asian-American | May 19, 2008, 12:22 am 12:22 am
It’s about math and a democratic process that has been in place for quite a while now INCLUDING WHEN CLINTON GOT ELECTED TWICE FOR THE WHITE HOUSE. It’s very sad to see Hillary, a seemingly bright democrat trying to cook the books in broad day light, and expect the DNC to break the rules and manipulate the number so that Hillary can win. Folks, Hillary is losing because she had a lousy campaign staff and grossly underestimate the power of the little people who have donated their time and money for Obama’s campaign. If she couldn’t not run a successful campaign, why should she be trust to run a country successfully? Obama has shown a whole lot of skill, competence, temperament, wisdom in running his campaign, and definitely he has gained the good-will of the people to the point that in spite of so much vilification, hatred, lies, changing rules in the middle of the game, he is getting the financial support, one dollar at a time. Had Hillary been the choice of the people, she wouldn’t be lending her campaign 20million of dollars. No amount of complaining, whining, and inventing a new arithmetic will change the reality at this junction of the game, THE NUMBERS HAVE SPOKEN in the form of popular vote, delegate count, states won, superdelegates number, and $$$$$$$$$$$. Speaking of number, has Hillary ever had a rally that was attended by 75,000 people? Obama did today in Portland Oregon. Those of you that keep saying Hillary or McCain. Go ahead for McCain, you will be supporting another loosing candidate…. you must not mind wasting your votes:)
Posted by: Harerta Tesfa | May 19, 2008, 12:29 am 12:29 am
LATEST POLITICAL NEWS ITEM
It was just reported that Hillary Clinton has removed herself from the presidential race after reaching an agreement with Obama. Pursuant to the agreement, Obama and Hillary will conduct a joint fund raisers in order to help retire Hillary campaign debt. Current law prohibits Obama from making direct donations from his own campaign coffers on the theory that those donors made their donations to be used to promote the election of Obama, not Ms. Clinton. When Hillary was first informed of the agreement, she peed in her latest pair of pantsuits.
Posted by: rhbate | May 19, 2008, 12:36 am 12:36 am
Jasmin,
I am an Obama donor who has donated to the limit allowable, $2600, and my husband has donated the same…..Guess what, we live in California, among friends and family that are supporting Obama and each have donated to the best of their ability. I guess you must not realize that the USA is a little bigger than your neighborhood and the size of the American population is a little larger than your family and friends who happen to not support Obama. Again it’s about numbers folks. When one reports that Obama is supported by the “college educated” , “independent”, “young”, “african americans”, one is talking in statistical sense, not in absolute sense. It doesn’t me that ALL OF his supporters fit those categories. Same goes with Hillary’s supporters. Jokes and silliness aside, if we are to display political maturity as people, it ‘s is important that we pledge allegiance to the democratic process first, then to our candidate of choice second. Folks keep your cool and think deeply about what is really at stake here!
Posted by: Harerta Tesfa | May 19, 2008, 1:06 am 1:06 am
rhbate,
Don’t think that Obama’s people are the only ones on earth have the right to make their voices heard. Asian-American people are capable of doing the same thing.
Posted by: Asian-American | May 19, 2008 12:22:17 AM
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“It is clear that the uneducated, hard working Americans – white Americans – vote for me overwhelmingly. They are my core base.”
Hillary dissed all non-white voters, i.e., Asian-American, African-Americans, Native Americans, Pacific Islanders, Latin Americans and Eskimos. Sounds as though she is saying only “white Americans” are hard working. As a Latino, I am insulted and my friends and I would never vote for her.
Posted by: rhbate | May 19, 2008, 1:41 am 1:41 am
It’s only Hillary for me. If she doesn’t win, I’m voting for McCain.
I can’t stand obama – he’s an empty suit with no substance on the issues.
Hillary Clinton is the best candidate the democratic party has ever had. If the democratic elite in the party are too stupid to see that – then they don’t deserve my support or my vote and I hope they lose.
Posted by: Sarah | May 19, 2008, 1:47 am 1:47 am
Sarah,
It’s a free country. Cast your vote for whomever you like including McCain. I don’t believe anyone in the Obama camp has told you or will prevent you from exercising that right. It’s extremely silly to threaten the Obama supporters with a vote for McCain. Don’t you think? It’s your vote , your choice, your right. The same goes for us, it’s our vote, our right, our choice to vote for Obama. No need for bitterness, hatred, and threats.
Posted by: Harerta Tesfa | May 19, 2008, 2:07 am 2:07 am
I can not believe the level of hate that is cast at Hillary Clinton and her supporters. Just more proof that the polls,pundits and surveys of the candidates and the demographics are way off-Obama supports tend to be mailious and clearly, undereducated. They kepp attacking and attacking and think this will not bite Obama and the democratic party if he is the chosen candidate AT THE END OF THE RACE.this IS a democratic process and not another version of American idol.
I am more convinced than ever that Hillary is going to do exceptionally well on Tuesday-People are getting the message that Obama has been a media creation backed and paid for by the corporations that find his “newness” very maliable, pliable and flexible. A babe in the woods. In time, he may make a great a candidate, once his metal is tested. But for now, there seems to be nothing substantial about him or his platform. He is an “idea” at this point and without history that is all that he is.
Hillary Clinton is the only logical,rational choice
Hillary Clinton for president 2008!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Colleen | May 19, 2008, 8:35 am 8:35 am
“Those are all people who have a job. Those are all people who have health care. Those are all people who can afford to send their kids to college. Those are all people who can pay whatever is charged at the gas pump.”
End of Quote.
Now I am not a Hillary supporter but it is refreshing to hear her say the above. Had she been saying this from the begining, she might have won. Good for her.
Posted by: homjett | May 19, 2008, 9:43 am 9:43 am
People who discount the caucus system are not paying attention (or are selectively ignoring the results). The turnouts at the caucuses have been overwhelming this year. Also, in Washington just as an example, there was a caucus AND primary, both of which showed Obama as the clear winner.
As for FL & MI, again with the selective memory – Obama didn’t campaign in either state (as agreed by BOTH candidates) and his name wasn’t even on the ballot in MI.
Posted by: Avs | May 19, 2008, 12:59 pm 12:59 pm
Ignore the people who pretend to be Hillary supporters but are going for McCain whose positions are the opposite of what Hillary says are important to this nation. Clinton says if she does not win she will work hard to get Obama elected. So evidently these people don’t think her positions are important and don’t trust her judgment. To the rest of you, settle down and cut the name calling and using bogus arguments. No matter which side wins, roughly half the party is going to lose. Both candidates worked hard, had their moments of greatness and had their moments that made them look bad. I am an independent who won’t decide until November, but I want the behavior of the citizens of this country to be the kind that our founding fathers would be proud of.
Posted by: MikeMo1947 | May 19, 2008, 1:39 pm 1:39 pm
Hillary is getting desperate, She is only ahead in the popular vote if you include the Michigan primary, a state that Obama was not even on the ballot and she still found a way to lose 237,762 votes to a candidate called “UNCOMMITTED”. In my book that is not a convincing argument. One would have to assume that those uncommitted voters were Obama supporters that showed loyalty. And I would be willing to bet that the votes that the other two Democratic candidates received probably would have went to Obama as well. That being the case she is still behind in the popular vote anywhere in a range of minimum 63,422 votes to a maximum of 87,493 votes, and that is assuming some of those who voted for Hillary would not have voted for Obama giving the chance. You can not use the popular vote of a state when Both candidates agreed it would not count ahead of time. She is showing her character by trying to cheat to win. Get real Hillary and get out of the way.
Posted by: batesba74 | May 19, 2008, 2:35 pm 2:35 pm
Hillary: You haven’t Won the Most Votes!
Michigan and Florida held illegal bogus
primaries and their popular vote totals will not be counted!
The only possible compromise is to
divide the delegates up and then seat
them. The Michigan fiasco wasn’t even a vote no less a primary!
With no other major candidate on the ballot, the popular vote cannot be counted unless you’re willing to
credit Obama with all of the votes in the “other” category!
Go Home, You Lost! Deal with it!
Posted by: reaganfan | May 19, 2008, 2:59 pm 2:59 pm
i dont see how all this fighting is helping, well it is helping someone, mcain, i think that we all know that hillary or obama are BOTH better than mcain, we dont need another third term of bush. Hillary said she would support obama if he won, so all u hillary fans should follow her lead. obamas still better thab mcain.
Posted by: doneboy21 | May 28, 2008, 2:50 pm 2:50 pm
Obama supporters,
I just heard on the radio yesterday that Obama is against 1031 exchange and will eleminate it once he is elected. Why is that? What a stupid position to take! In other words he is aginst anything that makes sense and wants to eleminate them. Well as long as it doesn’t hurt him and his buddies, the hell with the rest of hard working people who have worked hard to get a property eh! Is that what he stands for? Supporting the elite and screwing the middle class???
Posted by: Jasmin | May 29, 2008, 11:56 pm 11:56 pm
GO HILLARY GO!
Hillary is the answer, not Obama not McCain. If Hillary doesn’t get it, I am not voting. Let MacCain win, at least he will not eleminate 1031 exchange!
Posted by: Jasmin | May 29, 2008, 11:58 pm 11:58 pm
Obama Supporters,
Why is Obama associated with this scum back pastors who preach only hatered and violance? Aren’t “Pastors” supposed to be good people who preach peace and kindness? What is the deal with Obama’s pastors? Why are they so RUDE, violent, and MEAN? Know one’s friends, know him!!!
Posted by: Jasmin | May 30, 2008, 12:07 am 12:07 am