May 19, 2008 8:58pm

Clinton: The Last Thing We Need is a Quitter as President

ABC News’ Kate Snow, Sarah Amos and Eloise Harper Report: On the last day before Kentucky votes, Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., seemed to have regained some energy, even while struggling with a raspy voice. The auditorium in Lexington, Kentucky was packed with enthusiastic supporters who erupted in hoots and applause after nearly every line of her speech. Voters who spoke to ABC News said they would stick with Clinton in the Democratic presidential race until the end and expressed anger at the media for "writing her off".

The Senator offered some new language about her bid for the presidency, as her husband, former President Bill Clinton sat off to the side, saying to the crowd "You know, the last thing we need is somebody who gives up and quits as our next president. This country is worth fighting for, it is worth standing up for and it is sure worth voting for tomorrow."

Clinton has been getting loud applauses for saying to crowds across the state that she wants their voices to be heard and votes to be counted. "I have been excited to campaign across Kentucky along with my husband and my daughter. We have loved every minute of it, we’ve been all over this Commonwealth and what we know is if Kentucky votes tomorrow and sends a message, that is sure going to count and it will matter to everybody watching this election."

The crowd was around 1,300 people, one of her bigger crowds of late. That numbers, of course, pales in comparision to her rival Sen. Barack Obama’s recent Oregon rally which drew an estimated 75,000. 

President Clinton introduced his wife making the same arguments that she has in the past saying that the media has counted her out before, but she has always come back. He later said that he is tired of people dissin’ his wife. "Every time you turn on the TV and you listen to one of those people dissin’ her they’ve all gone to college, they all have a degree, they’ve got a good job and they’re havin’ no problem fillin’ up their gas tank." The former president did say that he agreed with his daughter that his wife would be a better president than he was.

The former president has done four events today – and has made at least 20 stops in Kentucky

User Comments

Democrats need to unite now and stop fighting each other.
Waiting until the Democratic convention would mean McCain will have had 6 months head start on this fall. Leaving the Democrats only 3 months to prepare for the fall. Even Bill Clinton was considered the nominee in March.
Americans can not afford another 4 years of Republican leadership. Republicans have cost us thousands of American lives in Iraq.
Republicans have repeatedly given tax breaks to large corporations who turn around and move jobs overseas.

Posted by: Debbie | May 19, 2008, 9:14 pm 9:14 pm

I would just love an upset in Oregon tomorrow (though it’s unlikely to happen). The hippy-dippy liberals should know enough by now, that Hillary is the better Democratic candidate to take on McCain. Only centrist Democrats have ever won the WH, and Obama is the most liberal Senator/candidate EVER. Plus, his lack of judgement with who he associates with is beyond belief (most of all his angry wife and reverend). C’mon, Oregon…..make this a close race. Everyone wants Hillary to see this to the end….if the tables were turned you just know Obama would not pull out yet.

Posted by: Debra | May 19, 2008, 9:18 pm 9:18 pm

She is so smart. Obama doesn’t get it. If she had quit, all these people in the rest of the states left to hold their primaries would feel like they didn’t matter, like they weren’t good enough to campaign to. She is connecting to these folks and proving that they matter. Obama should be campaigning his heart out, just like she is, to show the working class that he’s listening. But he’s not. And that’s going to hurt him in November.
People should remember that not too long ago, some working class folks in Minnesota were fed up and felt like no one was listening to them. Except Jesse Ventura. He won as an Independent with only 37 percent of the vote.
This thing ain’t over. Not by a long shot.

Posted by: Karen | May 19, 2008, 9:19 pm 9:19 pm

Hillary supporters will not just fall in line for BO. There is something about him that is so unelectable, and McCain looks way better if we can’t have Hillary. This election we will have a new term…..McCain Democrats.

Posted by: Debra | May 19, 2008, 9:22 pm 9:22 pm

And I predict we won’t vote for Obama thier is no way I ‘m drinking from that well. And 75,000 kids does not make me even get a chill up my leg.Or a bunch of egg heads

Posted by: Bishop | May 19, 2008, 9:25 pm 9:25 pm

this hillary voter will not fall in line….i am done with the demogratic party after 20 years

Posted by: Christel | May 19, 2008, 9:31 pm 9:31 pm

This is a good time for Obama to show to all hard working class people in Kentucky and W. Virginia that he cares about them but he refuses to listen to their problem. He can’t win GE without these working class population from all swing states (PA,Ohio,W. Virginia and Kentucky).

Posted by: stephanie | May 19, 2008, 9:31 pm 9:31 pm

everyone talks about us obama people drinking kool-aid but have any of you people heard the hillary people?
I mean c’mon the chances of her getting enough delegates to win the nomination..
which is how you WIN the nomination
is….impossible.
She has to win 80+% of the remaining primaries, and has to win 95% of the rest of the super delegates…
Oregons loss will only make that number rise.
She DOESNT have the popular vote, and NO karl rove isnt a good source of info.
Everyone knows its over, and no one is being sexist, in fact they are being very refined with hillary.
The tv networks and john mccain would like nothing more then this to go on.
Hillary you had a really great run, and had you NOT thought you were always going to win this and actually campaigned like you are now, had you not turned negative, had you not redefined what the metric to win is every primary, had you found your “voice” earlier, and had you actually been honest with the votes and true…
this would probably be a different story. instead we would be talking about how close it was but how obama has really no chance.
Obama is not stealing anything from you. For you and any of your supporters to think so is absolutely ridiculous.
You can claim that you have won the electory college, but a lot of those states are going democratic anyway, california, new york
You CAN NOT claim you have won the states needed to win when you are fighting against your own kind.
you CAN NOT claim you have the road to the white house and obama doesnt when he not only keeps your strong holds, but also adds new states into winning.
You will not win WV, and KT in the GE…
Hillary… it is over… im sorry
now you can focus on being the new teddy kennedy of the senate… and you can continue to be defined as a real leading american women who has blazed the biggest trail
now it is time ot unify the party, and destroy the GOP
its over, and yes
BY A LONG SHOT

Posted by: bhrandon | May 19, 2008, 9:32 pm 9:32 pm

Thinking-
I’m a Hillary supporter who would love to believe that Obama has the ability to make real change. Everything he says sounds wonderful. Like the perfect world. But it isn’t a perfect world and I don’t believe he has the experience or the personality to handle the stress of the presidency. He already can’t handle people picking on his wife. That worries me.
When all of the began I did my research and chose Hillary based on her experience. Oh, and I met a guy on a plane out to LA who is an expert in developing “green” communities. I asked him which candidate was the best for the environment (not necessarily who his overall favorite was). He said Clinton. Hands down.

Posted by: Karen | May 19, 2008, 9:32 pm 9:32 pm

Amid reports that the Democratic Party’s leaders and largest fundraisers are beginning to take steps to try to bring their party together after a long, hard-fought primary campaign, the latest Gallup daily tracking poll suggests Democratic voters are beginning to coalesce around Sen. Barack Obama.
Obama holds a 16-point lead over Sen. Hillary Clinton in Gallup’s latest daily tracking poll released Monday. He has the support of 55 percent of Democratic and Democratic-leaning voters while Clinton’s support is at 39 percent.
Previously, Obama’s largest lead over Clinton was 11 percentage points, in daily tracking polls conducted in mid-May and mid-April, according to Gallup. Prior to John Edwards’s exit from the Democratic nomination race, Clinton held a 20-point lead over Obama in mid-January.
The results are based on a survey of 1,261 Democratic and Democratic-leaning voters using combined data from May 16-18, 2008. The poll has a margin of error of plus or minus three percentage points.
Kentucky and Oregon hold their Democratic primaries Tuesday. Obama is favored in Oregon’s contest and Clinton in Kentucky’s, according to CNN’s latest poll of polls in each state.

Posted by: 08Democrat | May 19, 2008, 9:35 pm 9:35 pm

The “Clinton’s” depend on the “Little People” to vote for them.They pretend to know how it feels to be…..with out a job…kicked out of your home…no money to put food on the table…car repo’ed…(couldn’t afford gas anyway)..Some body needs to ask them if they have personaly experienced any of the above??

Posted by: orange cat | May 19, 2008, 9:36 pm 9:36 pm

All the way to the convention, Senator Clinton. Maybe it is time the working class rallied outside a convention center so the so-called leaders of the Democratic Party could hear what real Democrats want.
Let’s give ‘em a tailgate party Denver will never forget… and compete for the best bar-b-que. We’ll even feed the Obama supporters. That’s what good Democrats do.

Posted by: len | May 19, 2008, 9:38 pm 9:38 pm

While BO is running show biz and beauty contest, the Clintons have been campaigning to the heart of the people.
People enjoy excitements. BO has been promoted as a star, a new borne politician whether he lives up to it with his credential is another problem. As time goes, people vote with their head, specially at difficult moments.
The worst a politician does is to delineate people. The rally singles points to a clamour. After that it is expectation. From now to November, there are six months. The long waiting is going to take its toll.
BO keeps on stumble and provides anticlimax. His inexperience shows in many ways. People in the middle are alarmed. This is why he can’t put away Hillary in all those opportunities. One wrong move from the party, the party is over for a decade.
McCain represents the mid stream; not too far from the left and from the right and they are cleaning up for November elections. I can’t believe McCain is Bush III. It is smearing. His career shows otherwise.
The politicians do not control people’s votes and the media can’t either. That is why Hillary is in such good shape in the primaries since Ohio.
BO requires superdelegates to stump for him but he is in a slum in election.

Posted by: John_Lai | May 19, 2008, 9:44 pm 9:44 pm

So Bill was whining again?
Anyone who oes NOT yet see what a bunch of fools the Clintons have become?
They’re totally laughable.
They remind me of an ABBA reunion concert -
it was canceled.

Posted by: maria whittaker | May 19, 2008, 9:48 pm 9:48 pm

Obama believes we need permission from other countries to eat our meals, drive our vehicles, and cool or heat our homes. WOW!

Posted by: geevill | May 19, 2008, 9:49 pm 9:49 pm

Texas Voter-
75,000 doesn’t surprise me. College students have a lot of time on their hands.

Posted by: Karen | May 19, 2008, 9:51 pm 9:51 pm

Alot of college students are also 18, which means they can vote…and will vote…for OBAMA.

Posted by: Karen | May 19, 2008, 9:52 pm 9:52 pm

Hillary has already pleaded with her supporters to not vote McCain under any condition.
A vote for McCain would be a vote against everything that she has worked so hard for.

Posted by: Debbie | May 19, 2008, 9:53 pm 9:53 pm

Even a 1/2% point win in Oregon would make me happy.

Posted by: Ken | May 19, 2008, 9:53 pm 9:53 pm

Karen, what a silly thing to say. Who cares whether they were college students or hobbits. They are 75,000 PEOPLE that came out to hear the next president of the United States speak.
Stop hating.

Posted by: Jeb | May 19, 2008, 9:54 pm 9:54 pm

I love how Obama said to his Oregon supporters that “they have to be nice to Clinton supporters”. I need a bath after hearing that one. They could kiss our feet….no way, no how, no bama!

Posted by: Debra | May 19, 2008, 9:54 pm 9:54 pm

Hillary works on the image of being warm and approachable while BO in his rally stands out and distant.
At the end of day and election time, Hillary will do better than the poll indicates.
The size of rally serves to alarm many voters and attracts opposition rather than supporters. Oregon voters would show you that hard work campaigning pays off more than rally. The support of BO just centers round Portland.
People votes with their head at tough time rather than the show biz stuff which does not put food on the table.
To say supporters of Hillary are little people is demeaning. Each one has one vote; no more or no less. As democracy has it, more little people need Hillary and they have found their candidate as time goes. Many politicians are still running after the party.
People is way ahead of them in votes.

Posted by: John_Lai | May 19, 2008, 9:56 pm 9:56 pm

Ahhh…WestCoastMessenger…good to see you back. Will you stand with us, friend, for the good of the Democratic Party?
That is what Senator Clinton would want you to do. Don’t let Rove and the others take this country down another 4 years of Bushisms.

Posted by: EastCoastHarbinger | May 19, 2008, 9:58 pm 9:58 pm

I have no degree and just earn few dollars/hour, but I’m always proud of America. So, am I a stupid citizen?

Posted by: The truth | May 19, 2008, 9:59 pm 9:59 pm

I went to my nieces graduation party yesterday, many 18 years olds. Nice kids but I did not hear one intelligent conversation. These are the people at Obama rallies, I wonder if they will have better things to do on Nov 4th.

Posted by: tww | May 19, 2008, 9:59 pm 9:59 pm

Texas Voter-
Of course not. I think if young people are excited enough about politics to get involved and vote, that’s great. (I don’t think there’s much of a maturity difference between 18 and 21). I think the fact that this race is so close has made it much more exciting for everyone. People actually know the difference now between a caucus and a primary. Both Clinton and Obama did that.
I think people are frustrated right now but this is perhaps the biggest primary we’ll ever participate in. Let’s let everyone get a chance to be heard. I think that’s all Clinton really wants. And I think it’s really admirable.

Posted by: Karen | May 19, 2008, 10:00 pm 10:00 pm

Big crowds do not mean votes he had the Boss with him in Pa I ‘ve been to two of his rally’s and they are put on like a rock stars tickets and all and I am for Hillary but still wnted to hear and see for myself what he had to say he’s good but I am still voting for Hillary and my vote if Obama is our nominee will be against my party of thirty five years I was also at one of the dinners he could not come to and he sent bus loads of children in to boo Hillary wish I have never seen done to another Democrat during a primary .Hillary has been kicked out by this party from before NC and Ted Kennedy and Keryy and all the other liars set her up,

Posted by: Bishop | May 19, 2008, 10:02 pm 10:02 pm

Does any body remember this years Super Bowl?? New England had won all 16 games, lost none.But the New York Giants tore them a new one. ….New England won every game except for the one that counted the most!…Do you get what I am saying?? Omama vs Clinton??

Posted by: orange cat | May 19, 2008, 10:08 pm 10:08 pm

In 1970 they changed the voting age from 21 to 18 they thought that if you could die for your country you should be able to vote for the President your Comander and Chief who drafted you and sent you to NAM

Posted by: Bishop | May 19, 2008, 10:12 pm 10:12 pm

What Barack supporters don’t want you to know is that he doesn’t have enough delegates to win the nomination either. And all those Super Delegates? They don’t vote until August. Their endorsements are campaign rhetoric and when Barack is fully vetted they will be chanting “YES WE CAN” “CHANGE” our vote and they will “HOPE” that Hillary will forgive and forget their stupidity. And just so you know, Hillary is now ahead in the popular vote by 50,000 and growing!

Posted by: SadStateOfAffairs | May 19, 2008, 10:17 pm 10:17 pm

Hillary Clinton can still win she has every right to the supers but she is better at the game than Obama and gang he has every old mooch in the party hot old bags of air drunks and women crazy from John Kennedy on the avg. age in JFK adm. was 35 can you believe it thirty five Dodd and all of them been around forever millstones around our necks Clinton has newbies eight to ten years in office behind her more to the center not living in the sixty’s and seventy’s Obama repeated what carter said nothing new about that he signed a bill for nuke energy.on OR coast

Posted by: Bishop | May 19, 2008, 10:21 pm 10:21 pm

I attended the Clinton rally in Lexington, Kentucky tonight. The college auditorium used only holds 2,000 seated, and there was a turn-away crowd. People patiently waited to be admitted, standing in a very long line in a chilly drizzle for several hours.
Local media consistently estimate 2,500 people were present, with about 500 standing on the floor – where does ABC come off with its inaccurate and too-low estimate??
The audience was quite diverse but uniformly enthusiastic and appreciative. The atmosphere was electric, with intense attention paid to both Clintons. A record-breaking turn-out is expected for tomorrow’s Kentucky primary, with Hillary Clinton expected to win by a huge margin.
Just the facts; directly from where it’s happening.

Posted by: Kentuckian | May 19, 2008, 10:24 pm 10:24 pm

ABC News: Hillary Leads In Total Popular Vote
5/14/2008 3:56:36 PM
Following her strong victory in West Virginia last night, Hillary regained her lead in the total popular vote, including Michigan and Florida. From ABC News:
Clinton: 16,691,283
Obama: 16,647,926
How’s that? Or do you need me to do more of your homework for you?

Posted by: SadStateOfAffairs | May 19, 2008, 10:25 pm 10:25 pm

I am convinced that Hillary Clinton is the best and strongest candidate for President. Therefore I will support her all of the way to the Democratic Convention in August. I will only vote for someone who I believe will be the best President. Hillary is not a quitter and neither am I!

Posted by: NeverSurrender | May 19, 2008, 10:27 pm 10:27 pm

Howard Dean has said they will seat the votes of MI and FL and will most likely strip 50% of delegates as per the DNC Rules and Bylaws. The DNC actually broke their own rules and cannot simply disregard these two states. And as a famous woman once said…..
“No voters will be left behind.”
Donna Brazile 2000
Bet she hates it that she said that!

Posted by: SadStateOfAffairs | May 19, 2008, 10:34 pm 10:34 pm

All the Obama gloating won’t amount to a hill of beans if we Clinton supporters jump ship for McCain. It may be unfair to Obama but blame the DNC and the media. I can’t fathom voting for him if the result if the already patronizing tone being used again Hilary is to continue. In fact, since I am a veteran, I rather like McCain and always felt that Bush’s campaign did him wrong by “swift boating” him the last election and making light of his POW status (if you forgot they said he was probably mentally unstable because of the 8 years in captivity). Yep, it’s Hilary or McCain for me. Call me anything you like but so what.

Posted by: druggstohr | May 19, 2008, 10:38 pm 10:38 pm

Hillary Have a confused person who needs power irrespective of the people will. IF she is in Africa she already use military power to kill her opponents.

Posted by: david | May 19, 2008, 10:40 pm 10:40 pm

Quitters never win. Winners never quit.
HILLARY 08′

Posted by: SadStateOfAffairs | May 19, 2008, 10:55 pm 10:55 pm

all this stuff about a million of hill’s supporters “jumping ship” me thinks is BS spread by republican blog minions…maybe a few hundred will, mostly older folks or people who didnt finish 9th grade (west va WASSUP!!!) 99.9999% of mccain voters in the fall were NEVER going to vote for hill OR obama. OBAMA FOR PRESIDENT ’08!!! BUSH FOR REMEDIAL ENGLISH ’09!!!

Posted by: daro | May 19, 2008, 11:04 pm 11:04 pm

informedd…ummm that “marxist church nut” may have a big mouth, but he was in the marines for 6 years (i bet a million hillary voter you wouldnt say that to his face), and he feeds the poor, so he’s more American and Christian than all you white-wing flag wavers any day of the week. IT’S CALLED THE FIRST AMENDMENT and it doesnt just apply to FOX parrots. OBAMA ’08

Posted by: daro | May 19, 2008, 11:11 pm 11:11 pm

The ironical thing is that if Obama surrogates, and supporters actually were smart, they wouldn’t need to resort to ad hominine attacks.
Many of Hillary’s supporters are highly educated, young, and superior researchers. We’ve done our homework, and it doesn’t look good for Obamaland.

Posted by: Emily | May 19, 2008, 11:14 pm 11:14 pm

I just heard Obama said he’s goning to lose in KY because of FOX news! Is this guy too much in never taking responsibility for the fact that millions of us DON’T LIKE HIM OR WANT HIM NEAR THE WHITE HOUSE? Blame, blame BO…..man up! You’ll never make it against’ McCain.

Posted by: Debra | May 19, 2008, 11:14 pm 11:14 pm

david from tex!! SODAMA??? did you make that up yourself?? based on your daydreams, i’m sure. OBAMA ’08

Posted by: daro | May 19, 2008, 11:15 pm 11:15 pm

whats illegal?? conspiracy theories? like “obama’s a muslim”hmmmmm.. lots of reps-in-dems-clothing here tonight! OBAMA ’08 NASCAR FANS SHALL BE CONFUSED!!

Posted by: daro | May 19, 2008, 11:18 pm 11:18 pm

LOVE FOX NEWS…THEY JUST PLAYED A RECORDED TELEPHONE CALL FROM BO BLAMING FOX FOR HIS TROUBLE WITH VOTERS IN KY! Fox is the only fair and balanced news and any of us cable news watchers know it. CNN and MSNBC were in the tank for BO since day 1. Why does this loser only campaign in states he knows he can win? Great strategy Obama…alienate more Americans. The photo of you with the big cross behind your head and the flag pin you’ve taken to wearing this last week…..won’t fool us!

Posted by: Debra | May 19, 2008, 11:20 pm 11:20 pm

Maybe, the only way America will learn is to put Obama in the White House …
and then be shocked to see who he really is and what he really believes in. And then to see his true associates, his true friends … and his true agenda …
All he says now is sweet rhetoric .. the sweet rhetoric is just to get into the White House.
The real rhetoric comes after he is in there.

Posted by: PoorAmerica | May 19, 2008, 11:21 pm 11:21 pm

Hillary fans! If you have so much faith in her judgement, why do you say you wont support BHO even if she campaigns for him?? i swear, hell hath no fury…OBAMA ’08

Posted by: daro | May 19, 2008, 11:23 pm 11:23 pm

I gotta tell you, Omentum. There’s nothing to argue here. No real argument as to how Clinton wins the nomination, and despite the “Bitter” vote, I believe Obama will more than hold his own in the Fall.
I’m STILL waiting for a decent argument from a Clinton backer, and there has been none yet, just personal attacks, fairy tales and “WAH, I’ll vote for McCain! I’ll show you!!!”

Posted by: Texas Voter | May 19, 2008, 11:23 pm 11:23 pm

“If we can’t have Hillary. This election we will have a new term…..McCain Democrats.”
Amen.

Posted by: Jkan | May 19, 2008, 11:24 pm 11:24 pm

Spouses that campaign are fair game, by the way….especially when they open their big UnAmerican mouths.

Posted by: Debra | May 19, 2008, 11:29 pm 11:29 pm

why would hill do better as an independent? all that support from from the democratic party is what kept her down????????? 6 months ago she and bill assumed she would be the nominee! her supporters still do, even though she’s obviously losing! me no understand. OBAMA ’08

Posted by: daro | May 19, 2008, 11:31 pm 11:31 pm

I will NEVER vote for Obama. It is hard to believe that Americans will vote someone whom they really dont know as their President.
Obama has done nothing to deserve to be the President of the United States. And if I were Obama, I will be embarassed by the 75000 people in Oregon waiting for me because I would know that I have done nothing to deserve that crowd.
This is scary business … and God forbid, if Obama is the next President, then gear up … After he is IN the White House, see the real Obama ….
I have this suspicion that his agenda is pro-Black, pro-Africa, pro Middle East … and yes, pro_Rev. Wright .
Banishing the Rev, is only the now gimmick – another one of those things you do to get elected. Watch the Rev. Wright be part and parcel of an Obama presidency ..

Posted by: GodHelpAmerica | May 19, 2008, 11:32 pm 11:32 pm

Omentum…I am a fairly well off Californian (Republican) who voted Hillary here on 2/5. Sorry, she also has MANY intelligent, wealthy backers (unfortunately, not the 5 billionaire liberals that bundle their $ into his campaign for their own agenda). Can the 14% black population and college kids really get this dupe elected?

Posted by: Debra | May 19, 2008, 11:37 pm 11:37 pm

In 2000 we were all mad as hell because Al Gore won the popular vote but Bush got the presidency on electoral votes. We hollered and screamed for the system to be changed. It was antiquated and put in place over 200 years ago and no longer relevant. Let the voters decide we said, that’s whats important. So here we are 8 years later and we will have one candidate with the popular vote and one with the delegate vote. So now what? Whats funny is some of the loudest protesters wanting the popular vote to decide the elections are now backing Obama and want to override popular vote. That leaves who is electible and that is not Obama. Once the republicans press the true dealings of Obama with Rezko, Auchi ,Ayers and Wright to name a few Obama will be tossed under the bus.

Posted by: maryintampa | May 19, 2008, 11:38 pm 11:38 pm

are they ever learn???? good question nicholas. why aren’t we ever learn???? maybe cause Hillary for some reason no tell us true. OBAMA ’08 CAVEMEN DONT LIKE HIM

Posted by: daro | May 19, 2008, 11:39 pm 11:39 pm

EXCELLENT POST, EMILY!

Posted by: david from texas | May 19, 2008, 11:53 pm 11:53 pm

Emily….great work at posting truths. I found it great reading and so does the GOP.

Posted by: Debra | May 19, 2008, 11:55 pm 11:55 pm

talkin like what? you mean using big words like “palestinian”…well you’re probably right apparently the US thinks smart people are a liability in the white house. OBAMA ’08 LET”S ALL LEARN TO READ AND USE OUR THUMBS!!!

Posted by: daro | May 20, 2008, 12:06 am 12:06 am

CALIFORNIA MCCAIN—I LAUGH: Where are the lies? What lies? Do the homework yourself. There’s plenty of info about Obama; you just have to do a bit of actual research. Trouble is, conducting real research isn’t the credo of hope ‘n change, though, is it?

Posted by: Emily | May 20, 2008, 12:16 am 12:16 am

nicholas, umm, “the white america” has gone to the polls, i believe they let them in with everyone else. The only people who believe that Barack Hussein Obama is only supported by black people and college students are white people who could never imagine themselves voting for him. but the numbers dont lie, he has tons of white support…if he didnt he wouldnt be WINNING. OBAMA ’08 READ ‘EM AND WEEP HATERS

Posted by: daro | May 20, 2008, 12:22 am 12:22 am

daro.
For your information check the
red states that Obama won on
caucuses.

Posted by: Nicholas | May 20, 2008, 12:28 am 12:28 am

The old aunt in the attic will not go away. We really wanted her to win becuase she would have been easier to defeat in Nov. But please don’t stop the race because it would not be fair to HillC the old aunt in the attic. We need just a little more time. The HillC voters are just starting to come our way.
McCain08

Posted by: Mike | May 20, 2008, 12:32 am 12:32 am

Omentum….the 11 straight wins WERE BEFORE REV. WRIGHT AND BITTERGATE…..BIG DIFFERENCE! Also, we all know caucus states favored BO, and those numbers won’t translate in Nov.

Posted by: Debra | May 20, 2008, 12:42 am 12:42 am

I am an Indian citizen, but since I have been touring the U.S. for the last month and half, I have gotten quite educated on the political situation here.
I was quite surprised to realize that the U.S. hasn’t had a woman president or vice-president… women are common in politics in Asia at the highest levels, and many countries (India, Israel, Sri Lanka, etc.) have had women leaders, even in times of war. And I was even more surprised to learn that the U.S. hasn’t had a president from any other race other than white, since the cities at least are quite racially mixed. This election is interesting – to be honest, I don’t think any of the 3 (the 2 dems and the republican) are up to handling the economic problems well, but at least it can’t be worse than the current guy.
Incidently, can’t quite understand why less well-off, less educated voters identify with Clinton – didn’t she and her husband earn >$100 million dollars in the last few years, and they are both lawyers from prestigious colleges?

Posted by: Not from here | May 20, 2008, 12:42 am 12:42 am

vickie, no one wants to ram anything down your throat. maybe that’s why you’re so angry. and inform, I demand to be counted as at least 3/4 of a wit. OBAMA ’08 TWICE AS MANY HALF-WITS IS JUST AS SMART!!

Posted by: daro | May 20, 2008, 12:43 am 12:43 am

I am wondering why ABC keep comparing her meeting to Obama’s.
There is a difference between a meeting in small city and one in a big city like Portland. So there is no point of comparing these two unless the goal is to diminish her campaign and write her off.
Please start being biased and try to be objective.

Posted by: antoine1118 | May 20, 2008, 12:58 am 12:58 am

I think I know what will happen Wednesday so they can grandstand Hillary’s big win in KY. They will trot out Al Gore, sooner or later to stop all the doubt that BO just can’t play with the big boys in Nov. or win a huge voting block that he needs. He will pull an “Edwards”, more despicable planned upstaging. They want to shut this think down to stop buyers remorse.

Posted by: Debra | May 20, 2008, 12:59 am 12:59 am

Only half of the Democrats have spoken so far in the primaries, maybe a little higher in NC and Oregon(they are calling for 70%). Obama hasn’t won a blue state since Feb I believe. He has only won a million votes in all of the caucus states. So how can he win with only one quarter to one half of the Democratic party behind him if the polarization stays the same. And the GOP will get solidly behind McCain in Nov. Obama has no chance of winning very many conservatives. Hillary is in the center,in my opinion the Democrats who haven’t voted are more centrists not party die hards. They would follow Hillary or they will follow McCain.
There is no coalition or new demographics that Obama can pull out in Nov. People might be willing to take a chance in the primaries, they won’t take a chance in Nov.

Posted by: pennsylvaniavoter | May 20, 2008, 1:04 am 1:04 am

FYI: My last post to daro doubles for you. Your gross insinuation is reprehensible, just like your candidate.

Posted by: Emily | May 20, 2008, 1:08 am 1:08 am

INFORMEDDEM IS NCDEM: I honestly didn’t read anything racist from the blogger FYI referenced. Did you?

Posted by: Emily | May 20, 2008, 1:12 am 1:12 am

Hillary is sounding more and more like Bush and the Iraq war she voted for.

Posted by: Lola | May 20, 2008, 1:33 am 1:33 am

The majority of the people who vote in Nov. are over 45. The second biggest majority is middle class. You can get information on the demographics of 2004.
Things are going to get a lot rougher for Obama from now until Nov. The Republicans will run home in Nov., I believe. If I am not mistaken there are more Republicans than Democrats. A Democrat either has to get out all of the vote or pull some from Independents or Republicans to win. I just don’t see how that is possible if Obama can’t even get the majority of Democrats to vote for him.

Posted by: pennsylvaniavoter | May 20, 2008, 1:46 am 1:46 am

specious? attacks? others? seriously, em what are you talking about? i just asked if you thought that racism had ANY effect on Barack’s candidacy? is that just beyond the pale? i thought us liberals were the one with thin skin. ay yay yay. OBAMA’08 I CANT WIN FOR TRYING, BUT HE CAN

Posted by: daro | May 20, 2008, 1:50 am 1:50 am

BO is only a MARKETING PRODUCT created & promoted by media. He has no substance. His speeches are wonderful bla-blas, but no real solutions, no real answers.
When Donald Trump was asked who will he hire between those two, he answered: “Hillary. She has much more experience than BO. Maybe BO will be prepared to run for presidency in 4 years, but at this point he is not”

Posted by: Candy | May 20, 2008, 2:14 am 2:14 am

I’m a lifelong democrat and a Hillary supporter. Please don’t ask us to vote for Obama. He never had our vote, he will never get out vote. It’s that simple. It is not that hard to see that we view McCain as a second choice to Hillary. They have both served their country for a long time. Obama, while probably a decent person, does not show that he can deal with weighty decisions under pressure. We will not blindly follow the intructions of the Democratic party. Most of us have lost faith in the party. Obama, if he is the nominee, will have to win without Hillary Clinton supporters. We are a 16 million plus voting block who will decide the presidency.

Posted by: Charles | May 20, 2008, 2:20 am 2:20 am

Where in the world is Michelle Obama , and what does she hate about America today?

Posted by: libre | May 20, 2008, 2:21 am 2:21 am

I’m a lifelong democrat and a Hillary supporter. Please don’t ask us to vote for Obama. He never had our vote, he will never get out vote. It’s that simple. It is not that hard to see that we view McCain as a second choice to Hillary. They have both served their country for a long time. Obama, while probably a decent person, does not show that he can deal with weighty decisions under pressure. We will not blindly follow the intructions of the Democratic party. Most of us have lost faith in the party. Obama, if he is the nominee, will have to win without Hillary Clinton supporters. We are a 16 million plus voting block who will decide the presidency.

Posted by: Charles | May 20, 2008, 2:22 am 2:22 am

I’m a lifelong democrat and a Hillary supporter. Please don’t ask us to vote for Obama. He never had our vote, he will never get out vote. It’s that simple. It is not that hard to see that we view McCain as a second choice to Hillary. They have both served their country for a long time. Obama, while probably a decent person, does not show that he can deal with weighty decisions under pressure. We will not blindly follow the intructions of the Democratic party. Most of us have lost faith in the party. Obama, if he is the nominee, will have to win without Hillary Clinton supporters. We are a 16 million plus voting block who will decide the presidency.

Posted by: Charles | May 20, 2008, 2:26 am 2:26 am

It just saddens me that I have to prepare myself for what I’m sure the Dem big wigs are planning right now. How to kick Hillary in the teeth this week. What can we do to take away from her huge win in KY. Which super delegate endorsement can we roll out today. She won WVA last week by a landslide and the senator from WVA came out in support of BO today. What gives? Who brokered this nomination? They deserve to lose those idiot Dems. Hello President McCain!

Posted by: Debra | May 20, 2008, 2:31 am 2:31 am

P.S. I think Hillary supporters are a 17 million strong group….I just want to know how many will be McCain defectors in Nov. if she isn’t the nom.
The exit polls will be fascinating this year. Newt Gingrich said tonight on FOX this is the most volatile election he can ever recall and anything could happen at any time…he also felt Michelle if fair game if she is going to go out stumping/yelling for her husband.

Posted by: Debra | May 20, 2008, 2:36 am 2:36 am

You can even take Rezsko, Ayers, Wright and Michelle out of the equation and he still won’t win. You can add inexperience, a widening war if we pull out of Iraq because yes Iran is no threat to us but they will be to Iraq if we pull out and they are becoming more of a threat everyday so I don’t see any pull out in Iraq no matter who wins. I see a draft more likely because we will have no choice if Iran becomes a bigger threat to Iraq, our troops just aren’t enough to do the job at the numbers they are in there now. So add up all of that fear and it is a legitimate fear and McCain wins hands down.

Posted by: pennsylvaniavoter | May 20, 2008, 2:37 am 2:37 am

Obama is like a celebrity. And seriously, I think what people are voting for his celebritydom. All the young college kids support him based on starpower and his rallies.
But my god, I want substance over flash for the presidency, and that ain’t him and his nonexistent policies.

Posted by: Henry | May 20, 2008, 2:45 am 2:45 am

In my opinion that is just another reason why it was smart for Hillary to say we would obliterate Iran because we have to make it clear we are not going to tolerate their moving into Iraq and creating WWIII.
Right now they are just a nuisance and if you read the papers they are becoming more of nuisance everyday. So it is not just tough talk about defending Israel it is to make sure we are not in Iraq fighting Iran. We already know who got us into this mess, the question to Obama is how are you going to keep it from widening if Iran is already ignoring us.

Posted by: pennsylvaniavoter | May 20, 2008, 2:49 am 2:49 am

Obama has zero chance in November.
He has lost a lot of ground with key demographics since Wright.
Electoral maps favor Clinton over McCain, but show a draw between McCain and Obama.
Given the sexism aimed at Clinton by the media, the DNC, and Obama, chances are that a lot of Clinton supporters will not fall in line in November.
The party is irreversibly fractured.
The DNC need only blame itself for anointing an unqualified candidate with more skeletons in his closet than a haunted house (speaking of October, just wait for the October surprise that will completely sink Obama).
I started out this election in favor of Edwards.
But I came to know Hillary more and more, and I liked her more and more.
I came to know Obama more and more, and I liked him less and less.
Something tells me that the Democratic Party will not exist in 2012.

Posted by: jackie | May 20, 2008, 2:54 am 2:54 am

When the Obama trend passes, and he has almost no supporters, he will be the biggest gaffe on the part of the DNC ever.
It’ll be more depressing than McGovern 1972.
The Democrats are dead set on losing in the GE.

Posted by: marisa | May 20, 2008, 2:58 am 2:58 am

Yeah, I am afraid a write-in is a wasted vote that could have helped keep inexperience out of OUR whitehouse. If Hillary were to go independent, then that would be a diffferent story maybe. Otherwise, I have to agree with Debra, we need to use our vote to save our country from stupidity if at all possible.

Posted by: Vickie | May 20, 2008, 3:14 am 3:14 am

Vickie,Debra.
Both you’re right again.
I like to punish the DNC and the party leaders ,so I WILL VOTE STRAIT republican ticket.McCain is fine with
me.

Posted by: Nicholas | May 20, 2008, 3:22 am 3:22 am

nicholas…no!!!! we must write hillary’s name in if she is not on the ballot. no john mc’can’t. please!!!

Posted by: carlasue | May 20, 2008, 3:26 am 3:26 am

I know it is bad enough to see how scary the Rove crowd was and I am still afraid of them but to get the corruption and lies from your own party is just a bit much to take. We were supposed to be the good guys. There is no where for decent people to go anymore black or white or asian or whatever.

Posted by: pennsylvaniavoter | May 20, 2008, 3:32 am 3:32 am

If I have to hold my nose and watch MSNBC to see who their sponsors are I will and I will write to the sponsors to see that they pull their ads and get MSNBC off the air. If you read some of things they said about Hillary it is insulting to all women. Don’t they know who it is that really buys those products.

Posted by: pennsylvaniavoter | May 20, 2008, 3:46 am 3:46 am

to Anne : seems there is one and only thing you can – to eat. And can not think.
Poor creature, close your hungry mouth then.

Posted by: Linda, Fl | May 20, 2008, 5:06 am 5:06 am

Obama has no desire for HRC to get out of the race at this point. One reason is if she does and still gets votes he looks bad. Another reason is the longer she stays in looking to change the rules in the middle of the game to give herself a chance, the better he looks.

Posted by: stan | May 20, 2008, 5:54 am 5:54 am

It appears many die-hard fanatical right-wing nutcases are still posing as HRC supporters…

Posted by: stan | May 20, 2008, 5:57 am 5:57 am

We obviously don’t need a president who is a quitter. But we sure could use a candidate that acknowledges reality and recognizes when enough is enough.

Posted by: S.E. Croft | May 20, 2008, 6:49 am 6:49 am

No, we don’t need a quitter. We need to open up old racial wounds instead of uniting the country around change. Yes, that’s what we need.
I can’t wait until that sorry non-quitter Hillary loses so that we can stop the bleeding.
The winner is right in front of our faces and his plan is to turn the page on all that old divisive madness. Let’s move forward together, shall we.
Obama ’08!

Posted by: Healthy | May 20, 2008, 6:53 am 6:53 am

@healthy, no, we don’t need a quitter, and hillary is not a quitter…..and i am not sorry like the rest of the hillary suppporters, we just believe truly in our candidate.
divisive??? what about ‘bittergate, and now ‘whitey gate’….yes, we shall move forward, but without a racist president and his more than racist wife.

Posted by: carlasue | May 20, 2008, 7:16 am 7:16 am

Hillary is surviving this long in the race because the voters don’t want her to quit. Obama is an empty suit and a left wing puppet for the Good Ole Democratic Boys club, as George Bush was for the right wing.

Posted by: sue | May 20, 2008, 7:38 am 7:38 am

Sue – I see you do not like Obama! Why?

Posted by: krispin | May 20, 2008, 7:46 am 7:46 am

yes we can…what debates….he would not debate with hillary in indiana or before…has he beeen on fox news with that idiot o’reilly. hillary has, and she put him in his frickin place. has obama been there. NO!!! he won’t debate the best of them, and the best of them is hillary……bring it on obama, if you are such a good candidate…..oh but wait, there will be no teleprompters in debates…that is why he won’t debate!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: carlasue | May 20, 2008, 7:47 am 7:47 am

HP Boston…why is Obama the worst thing?

Posted by: krispin | May 20, 2008, 7:49 am 7:49 am

Why does the DNC keep doing this? I think they WANT to lose the White House.
This was the one year we had a clear shot at the White House because of the mess Bush made. Why did they have to go and back this newbie Obama?????? Why?
Just so they had a puppet to control?
They know he is not electable.
The GOP was hanging their collective heads because of Bush and they are now laughing their heads off at us Dems for just telling them to keep the White House. Why did the DNC bail on Hillary?
The DNC disgusts me!

Posted by: John | May 20, 2008, 7:56 am 7:56 am

libre…if you write Hillary on the ballot (and I commend you, I want her too)…but if you do, that’s one more opportunity for BO, and I’d rather McCain move in the WH, so I’ll vote for him. If not Hillary, then McCain all the way!
Posted by: Debra | May 20, 2008 3:06:27 AM
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Debra there will be others on the ballot, no need to vote Mccain either.
Any one but Obama is the way to go!
A Nader vote will be a slap to BO and a Libertarian is on the ticket. It will be good to give them MILLIONS of votes as they are the spoilers and will kick the re pubs and Dem’s in the teeth.
ANYONE BUT OBAMA!! ANYONE!

Posted by: HP Boston | May 20, 2008, 8:00 am 8:00 am

I find blogsphere very interesting because it shows American intolerance…which is so very ugly to see. Passion for one candidate is very legitimate and disagreeing over the issues even more thrilling…..but this is nothing like it but the dregs of humanity on display..all this from supposedly the home of the brave….more like the home of the intolerant.

Posted by: krispin | May 20, 2008, 8:01 am 8:01 am

College students are in their 30s and 40s now because that is about the only time one can pay for it. Does anyone here think that people in their 30s and 40s should not be considered serious voters?
Voting for Obama will ensure your children won’t have to wait so long to get a chance to go to college.
Obama ’08!

Posted by: Education Shapes the Mind | May 20, 2008, 8:06 am 8:06 am

HP Boston…why is Obama the worst thing?
Posted by: krispin | May 20, 2008 7:49:58 AM
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Obama is an empty suit, he has no plans, no original ideas, he is a newbie with little experience!
He is divisive and sneaky and his alliance with Wright is the WORST type of politician to come down the pike!
What and how is he going to change anything he can barely speak and he stutters and is slow to think on his feet. He has LOST every single debate with Hillary and the other boys.
He has copied every ones ideas and speeches, he can not unite and has divided this country with his race card campaign. His 143 day in the senate have been dismal at best, he is inexperienced and is unelectable the MSM have shoved him down our throats and I will never vote for him. Never.
Senator Clinton makes him look like an untrained puppy and he is just that!
IT is called Kool aid……..

Posted by: HP Boston | May 20, 2008, 8:13 am 8:13 am

For the person blogging under Really?
There is no reason for you to demean people by calling them low informed voters. They voted for who they want. Respect their decision. I respect all the decision of Obama supporters. I am not bashing his supporters. There is no need calling other low voters or ill informed.
Calling them low votes or ill informed voters will only show that you think you are better than everyone else. And that is a negative connotation for your candidate. In my post, I offered him suggestions, show how he will implement the change etc.
So, instead of the name calling, why not offer suggestions?

Posted by: concernedabouttheworld | May 20, 2008, 8:45 am 8:45 am

I am sorry but some of you Hillary supporters who keep saying you are done with the Democratic Party and won’t vote for Obama are freaking crazy. Where have you been living the past 8 years? Do you really want 4 more years of Bush policies????? Obama and Clinton are almost identical in policy. Get a grip people…. and wake up.
Obama is beating Clinton fair and square. Way more states won, more delegates and YES more Popular Vote no matter how much you want to deny that fact.
Obama is our next President of the United States

Posted by: BK | May 20, 2008, 8:47 am 8:47 am

Senator Clinton makes him look like an untrained puppy and he is just that!
IT is called Kool aid……..
Posted by: HP Boston | May 20, 2008 8:13:20 AM
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“The campaign has broken down to those who drink the Kool-Aid
Posted by: Really? | May 20, 2008 8:39:42 AM
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NO NO REALLY that is Barry the puppy’s name………..
Kool AID!!! Really!

Posted by: HP Boston | May 20, 2008, 8:48 am 8:48 am

We hear Obama and his supporters talking about change, but I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANY POSTINGS OF HOW HE IS GOING TO IMPLEMENT CHANGE! IT’S ALL RHETORIC, OBAMA IS AN EMPTY SUIT WITH NO SUBSTANCE!

Posted by: david in texas | May 20, 2008, 9:01 am 9:01 am

How can anyone take Hillary seriously as a viable candidate for President, when she can not seem to follow the rules set out by the DNC? She is desperate, and it is showing big time. I am sure she and Bill have promised big things for that big money and unholy partnerships. They will have to pay big for their failures and some of the people they have crawled in bed with are not known for their compassion.

Posted by: Vel Champion | May 20, 2008, 9:02 am 9:02 am

Big money is desperate to keep Obama out of the whitehouse. They have made deals and paid big money for protection. Big promises are soon to be broken and a lot of people will be very unhappy. It is not gender bias that will keep Hillary out of the running. It is her connection to lobbiests and special interest groups.

Posted by: Vel Champion | May 20, 2008, 9:05 am 9:05 am

For the person blogging under Really?
There is no reason for you to demean people by calling them low informed voters. They voted for who they want. Respect their decision. I respect all the decision of Obama supporters. I am not bashing his supporters. There is no need calling other low voters or ill informed.
**********
I do respect their opinions, but they say there is donation fraud by the MSM, when HRC is facing those same charges in California shows me the poster doesn’t do proper research to support those claims. She is the one (along with Bill) under scrutiny NOW for donation fraud.

Posted by: Really? | May 20, 2008, 9:14 am 9:14 am

I am an over 55, white woman who left the DNC during the Clinton years. I found their lack of integrity to be offensive. Obama has brought me and millions like me back to the party. If Obama does not receive the nomination because of backroom rule changes and it is given to Hillary, it will be a big mistake. It will show that ignorance has been made a priority in the DNC. It will be time for a new party.

Posted by: Vel Champion | May 20, 2008, 9:15 am 9:15 am

Which Democratic candidate is more electable?
Consider this:
This is how the Electoral College stands as of May 20, 2008, showing strengths of Clinton vs. Obama, based on their results. For those who have not understood, this is not a head-to-head matchup, but rather a side-by-side comparison.
This assumes a winner-take-all primary/caucus vote takes all Electoral votes for each state. The totals immediately below are WITHOUT any consideration of the states of Florida and Michigan.
Clinton 256
Obama 217
But with Florida and Michigan:
Clinton 300
Obama 217
With just Florida added, which was won by Clinton, fairly and squarely, the Electoral College Vote is:
Clinton 283
Obama 217
Assuming the following victories, based on current polls, with Clinton winning Kentucky, and Obama winning South Dakota, Oregon (which is doubtful), and Montana, the totals would then be, still without Florida and Michigan:
Clinton 264
Obama 230
With Florida and Kentucky:
Clinton 291
Obama 230
Please note that it takes 270 Electoral College votes to win the General Election.
Whether or not the vote turns out as indicated, I firmly believe the above analysis more than amply demonstrates which of the Democratic candidates is in a better position to be the stronger candidate in the General Election.
P.S. – One last thought about this Electoral College Vote analysis; in it I gave Senator Obama full credit for the state caucuses he won. However, it should be noted that there are not any caucuses to be won in the Big Leagues during the General Election. There are only PRIMARIES, WINNER-TAKE-ALL.
And I am sure the “Super Delegates” are aware of that.

Posted by: Yavo Lem | May 20, 2008, 9:19 am 9:19 am

Vel Champion,
a lot of what you say is true. If Hillary does not receive the nomination because of backroom politics, and the SD’s don’t vote their states, or vote for the most viable candidate, there will be a mass exodus of Hillary supporters and they will be called the McCain dems.
Obama is not electable because Hillary supporters will not “fall in line” in November. We would never vote for Obama. McCain at least loves America.

Posted by: Ann | May 20, 2008, 9:25 am 9:25 am

The young people who will vote in this election are old enough to remember the Clinton Administration and the tarnished image of the Presidency thanks to Bill. They remember the blue dress, the cigar, the lies, him standing there wagging his finger, chastising the press “I did not have sexual relations with THAT WOMAN”. They remember HRC and her “vast right-wing conspiracy” and the horrific way she defended Bill with her “nuts and sluts” argument. (She’s only a champion for women when she’s getting something out of it). They remember Gore lost the White House because the Nation so badly wanted to distance itself from all things Democratic, thanks to Slick Willy and HRC.
They remember the change Bush promised this country. And they know they were lied to, by Clinton and by Bush and they are sick of it!!
The young people of this country want some dignity restored to the highest office in this nation and to the nation itself. And they KNOW they are not going to get it with HRC. She’s lying, blaming shifting, finger pointing and changing the rules to suit her needs. They have seen this all before, in her husband’s administration. And they want change, real change, not the “I’m more Experienced, OOPS, I’m Change because my message is flawed” change. So don’t think for a second that the hundreds of thousands of new, young, informed and engaged voters of this country will EVER line-up behind HRC. To them her message of change sounds like “Lather, Rinse, Repeat”

Posted by: Really? | May 20, 2008, 9:31 am 9:31 am

Another thing. Obama supporters should consider the fact that in the last two elections the democrats were wholly behind both Kerry and Gore and they still lost. Obama has wrenched our party in two, shredded our unity.
How do any of you think for a second he has a chance to win in November without the backing of half the party?

Posted by: Ann | May 20, 2008, 9:33 am 9:33 am

MCain Vs Obama
MCain looked might good today, blasting Osama’s inexperience. The Democrats will loose the general election if Obama wins

Posted by: ted | May 20, 2008, 9:33 am 9:33 am

Do people remember the failed Annuity investments and limited partneerships that went bankrupt to take away the retirement monies during the CLinton years. Do they remember the just how many homeowners lost their homes to Whitewater and Hillary? Hillary is only for the poor and low income people, when she it benefits the Clintons.

Posted by: Vel Champion | May 20, 2008, 9:35 am 9:35 am

Ann wrote:
How do any of you think for a second he has a chance to win in November without the backing of half the party?
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So stay home, or vote McCain. New voters and cross-over Repubs (my dad included who hasn’t voted DEM since JFK) will make up for it. It really is the HEIGHT or arrogance to assume that HALF of the Dem party will sit it out because they didn’t get their way.
And if she does manage to STEAL this nomination with clown math, what about the other HALF of the DEMS that voted Obama?? Do you REALLY think they would line up behind someone sooo dishonest that she could only win by CHEATING. Naive, to say the least!
Oh, I see, WE don’t count, we chose him fairly and squarely, but that doesn’t matter. Charming!

Posted by: Really? | May 20, 2008, 9:39 am 9:39 am

am a “white, 57 year old grandmother who believes in the message Obama is speaking. I believe we stand on a threshhold that has the potential to lead this nation down a new path. A path where all people, all color and all religions could learn to live together as a united nation. A united nation with a goal. A goal to leave behind our differences, our past, our fears and our hate. A goal that could bring us together, to work together to forge a future of peace that can build bridges, not bombs. The powers are rallying their “controllers” to derail this goal and hinder the progress of this future. Hate, bigotry, racial divide and differences in religious belief earn big money for the manipulating game of power and politics. They will not reliquish it quietly or with grace. They rely on conditioned responses to overcome the threat. They utilize fear to interrupt the message that speaks to one nation united. Do we dare listen and believe? I for one, who was raised with the cold war threat of “tuck and cover beneath the desk”, am tired of being afraid. Obama has no ties to special interests or lobbiest monies. Jesus dared to walk among sinners to spread his message of faith. It is easy to walk among believers and blend in. I want to believe Obama may just be comfortable enough with his message,that he can stand among the narrow minded and dare to speak with a different voice. He carries a great message for everyone. I do not feel he can damage this country if given the chance to move our country into a direction of change. He is refreshing. Our Congress is in peril. We do not need the same rhetoric and corruption to continue. It is time for change. I have faith that Obama is a voice of hope in a hopeless world. The Clintons need to step aside and leave the past behind so that the nation can move forward with a man who looks to build a brighter future for us all.

Posted by: Vel Champion | May 20, 2008, 9:40 am 9:40 am

We have reached the age of accountability. The Clintons must face the facts that they need to be accountable for there reckless behavior. Some say it was Bill who was reckless, but Hillary ditched women to defend him. There are many states who believe, you are only as good as the company you keep. It is time for a change and Hillary is part of the problem, not the solution.

Posted by: Vel Champion | May 20, 2008, 9:46 am 9:46 am

@ Really?……you say:
It really is the HEIGHT or arrogance to assume that HALF of the Dem party will sit it out because they didn’t get their way.
It’s neither of the adjectives you have used, it’s a fact. Obama will not win because, even with all the crossover voters, you forget the GOP will destroy Obama, and without the Clinton supporters, there is no way Obama can win….no way! The GOP has only begun attacking Obama and it will get worse, MUCH WORSE! And, as Obama is being vetted by the GOP, I see a LOT of his supporters recanting their votes for McCain or just not voting! It’s time to quit sipping the Kool Aid and realize that your boy, Obama, is a loser!

Posted by: david from texas | May 20, 2008, 9:47 am 9:47 am

How can anyone take Hillary serious as a candidate for president of the US, when she cannot follow simple rules on the path leading to that office. Loose cannons make terrible leaders.

Posted by: Vel Champion | May 20, 2008, 9:52 am 9:52 am

Vel,
get a grip. Why is it that everytime someone says they won’t support Obama it is automatically racism?
It could not possibly be that thinking Americans weighed your guy and found him wanting? Not only wanting but clearly anti-American.
it could not possible be that we love our country too much to get it over to that kind of hate and disrespect?
It could not be that we who don’t want to worship at the feet of Obama are not doing so because we love America?
Please, put the glass down and try to clear your head.

Posted by: Ann | May 20, 2008, 9:58 am 9:58 am

ANN
Why is it that everytime someone says they will not support Hillary, it is automatically, “SEXIST”? Get a grip! All women do not look at Hillary like she was representative of all women. She is so yesterday. If she wants to play, learn to play fair. Follow the rules.

Posted by: Vel Champion | May 20, 2008, 10:02 am 10:02 am

Vel,
please point to where I said sexist.

Posted by: Ann | May 20, 2008, 10:04 am 10:04 am

David from Texas wrote:
It’s time to quit sipping the Kool Aid and realize that your boy, Obama, is a loser!
Posted by: david from texas | May 20, 2008 9:47:21 AM
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So why is the GOP so eager to run against HRC? Operation Chaos anyone? Because they have NOTHING against Obama, except the usual FEAR and SMEAR, which they know it’s going to work this year, it’s not 2004 and we are smarter than that (well, some are). HRC has so many skeleton in her closet it aint funny. Yea, of course she wants to close the “Enron Loophole”, Bill created it!! Want to know why we are paying so much more in credit card interest? Higher banking fees? Clinotn deregulated the banking industry in the 90′s. The GOP would love to run against HRC, so much ammunition they are drooling!!

Posted by: Really? | May 20, 2008, 10:06 am 10:06 am

Ann
Hillary “extremists” have been all over the news claiming fowl for sexist reporting and unfair media coverage. Old school. Follow the rules.

Posted by: Vel Champion | May 20, 2008, 10:07 am 10:07 am

@ Really? …..First off, I never said the GOP wanted to run against Hillary…actually, the GOP is GLAD to run against Obama if he wins the nomination….Hillary is a MUCH STRONGER candidate than Obama. If you look back in this election, it has been run by the DNC. Dean, Pelosi, Kennedy, and Kerry ALL wanted Obama to win the nomination because of their hatred for Hillary….so, they became Obamabots. The media jumped on this as well, shoving Obama down our throats. The GOP, basically run the media. This was all according to the game plan. However, now, it’s backfiring. The DNC, Pelosi, Kennedy, and Kerry, thought Hillary would concede and she hasn’t. Also, they thought Obama would blow her away on popular vote, he didn’t. Now, it looks like Obama will be the nominee, the GOP is happy, the media is now turning on Obama because things went their way, and the DNC, Pelosi, Kerry, and Kennedy are realizing they have destroyed the Democratic Party and we will have 4 more years of GOP rule.

Posted by: david from texas | May 20, 2008, 10:16 am 10:16 am

Vel,
you accused me of saying sexist when I did not.
The difference between supporters is that Hillary’s do not believe her to be God, she is not infallable. Obama supporters do not care what he does, says, or who his dearest friends and advisors are. I have never met a single kool-aid drinker who thinks that any of his baggage is bad or even questionable.
They completely dismiss everything. It is all perfectly ok with them.
That is very scary to me. That is so Orwellian.
It is your duty as an American to question your leaders, not just follow blindly.

Posted by: Ann | May 20, 2008, 10:20 am 10:20 am

Big business and special interests are desperate to keep hold of Washington. Change threatens that goal. I was offended by the lack of integrity during the “Clinton years”. I left the DNC because it it. Obama has brought me, and millions like me, back to the party. If back room deals deny Obama a run for the Whitehouse, it will be time to rethink a two party system.

Posted by: Vel Champion | May 20, 2008, 10:22 am 10:22 am

geevill
I was born in the 50′s. I was there for the Kennedy Assasination and lived the drama and fear of a seventh grader thinking our world was going to end. I was part of the “duck and cover” age. I lived during the 80′s when interests rates were at 16%. I worked for a brokerage firm and had to tell those investors to the bankrupt annuities and limited partnerships that they had lost their investments. I lived during the embarrassment of the “Clinton Years”. I watch the news. I read. I evaluate candidates. Change to believe in has been a long time coming for this old woman. I believe Obama is our future. The Clintons failed to deliver on promises the first time. Why would I believe in them again.

Posted by: Vel Champion | May 20, 2008, 10:29 am 10:29 am

Vel,
Your state overwhelmingly rejected Obama. The cold war was won through strength not appeasement. The stagflation of high interest rates and high unemployment was caused by the Obama like policies of Jimmy Carter.
Not liking the Clintons does not make Obama a qualified candidate.

Posted by: geevill | May 20, 2008, 10:37 am 10:37 am

WV should not be looked at as a Victory for Hillary. Sometimes a “landslide” is just evidence of a wound that heals slowly.

Posted by: Vel Champion | May 20, 2008, 10:45 am 10:45 am

@ Vel, I could say the same thing about North Carolina…..it shouldn’t have been considered a HUGE victory for Obama either, right?

Posted by: david from texas | May 20, 2008, 10:46 am 10:46 am

My problem with Obama is that he states issues in his campaign, but NEVER outlines a plan of action. All that I have heard him say is that he agrees with Hillary on these issues, but its like he can’t think on his own. He promotes “change” but he doesn’t give any indication of how to accomplish this change. I mean, you can build a grand sandcastle and it looks good as long as the sun is shining and the tide is low, however, when the tide rises and comes in, the castle is swept away. There was no foundation to support it. Thats how Obama’s issues are…they are not built on a strong foundation and when the “tide” of polictical trouble rises, he will be washed away and once again, America will lose the strong foundation we once held. Be smart, Obama supporters…research this guy and see that he’s not what he says he is. He’s extemely weak and will do more harm than good for our country.

Posted by: david from texas | May 20, 2008, 10:51 am 10:51 am

Ann
Research like stastics are manipulated by the collectors. I do not get my info from once source. As difficult as it is, I start with Morning Joe, switch to Fox, then to CNN with my mentor, “Lou Dobbs”. I even give ABC their say. Who would think a person could draw their decision from listening to many opinions. Out of our given choices, I like Obama. My mother and two sisters who watch soaps and lifetime all day, prefer Hillary. My father and four brothers are for McCain. This is America. Freedom still means something. We all get to choose.

Posted by: Vel Champion | May 20, 2008, 10:57 am 10:57 am

Obama cannot do any more damage than Bush has done.
Obama cannot do any more harm than Clinton with his reckless disregard of law and responsibility.
Obam cannot do any more harm than any other president over the last 20 years. He is a refreshing change. I am sure he, the DNC and the GOP realize we are a tinderbox. We are tired of broken promises and self interests. History reflects what has erupted in other nations when the people reached their limit. We will have change. No one elected will get a “free pass”. Fear tactics have lost their manipulative power. Hillary is yesterday. Obama is the future.

Posted by: Vel Champion | May 20, 2008, 11:03 am 11:03 am

@ Vel….we do have something in common, I like Lou Dobbs as well……he’s very fair minded…however, I can’t stand Jack Cafferty……he’s so “pro Obama” it makes me sick…..I turn it off when he comes on. I also agree, we are Americans and we are free to choose. Political persuasion, especially this year, is in HIGH gear. I’m 50 yrs old, like you, lived during the assisination of JFK and as a 5 yr old, couldn’t understand why my mother was crying in November 1963. I lived through Johnson and the Vietnam War, the race riots of the 60′s, Nixon, Carter, and everyone afterwards. The reason I support Hillary so much is because of her perserverance, stamina, and endurance. She will fight to the end when most everyone else has given up on her. How she gets up everyday is beyond me, but she does. With the Mainstreet Media telling her she’s done, Obama, Axelrod, and all the others, she continues to fight. She lays out her plan of action in detail. She doesn’t quit, never gives up. She has so much passion for Americans and the great country we live in. That’s the kind of President I want in the White House. Hillary 08!

Posted by: david from texas | May 20, 2008, 11:03 am 11:03 am

Whatever faults GW Bush, Hillary Clinton, and John McCain have at least they are not weak easily intimidated adults. Obama has shown himself to be a weak whiny coward.

Posted by: geevill | May 20, 2008, 11:06 am 11:06 am

Hilalry – the strongest and smartest candidate to run from either party. Period.

Posted by: ch | May 20, 2008, 11:09 am 11:09 am

david in texas
Hillary is everything you say, but I see that as a good reason not to vote for her. She has to much to prove and is still fighting her brothers to make herself “equal”. My 93 year old dad would call that “bull headed”. Not a good character trait for a leader. I continues the back and forth bickering that hinders progress. That is why I say she is yesterday. Obama is the future.

Posted by: Vel Champion | May 20, 2008, 11:10 am 11:10 am

david from Texas:
I couldn’t agree with you more. She is a strong leader and I have nothing but praise for HRC. She is everything you have said and more. She’s just not MY candidate. I have no doubt that she will go on to do great things for this country. I think she would be an amazing Secretary of State. Think about the credibility we would bring to the world on foreign policy if she would be in charge. Better than Madeline Albright, who is a hero of mine.
HRC doesn’t want the VP slot, she already held that office for 8 years (LOL, no disrepect to Al Gore, but we know who was in charge). IF she doesn’t get the nod for the nominee, she will LEAD this country onto to GREAT things. Of that I am sure.

Posted by: Really? | May 20, 2008, 11:14 am 11:14 am

If Obama is the future it is over for us too, since it is clearly over for him.
He is unelectable in the GE.

Posted by: John | May 20, 2008, 11:16 am 11:16 am

Obama has objectivity. He is slow to speak and chooses his words wisely to unite instead of divide. We have reached a grand threashold. I would like to live long enough to see someone negotiate peace instead of threaten with war and annialation. I believe if any candidate holds this power, it is Obama. He is the future.

Posted by: Vel Champion | May 20, 2008, 11:17 am 11:17 am

@ Really? …. thanks, GREAT POST! I wish ALL the discussions on this board could have the same maturity (naming myself first). Take Care!

Posted by: david from texas | May 20, 2008, 11:22 am 11:22 am

Hillary lacks integrity. Her opinions flow like the wind chasing a leaf in a hurricane. She takes a stand for whatever the crowd seeks, and she never keeps her word or her campaign promises. She is desperate to furfill her promises to the “unholy alliances”. Only the Clintons and special interests will make money with a Clinton whitehouse. She is not good for the nation or the future.

Posted by: Vel Champion | May 20, 2008, 11:22 am 11:22 am

Ann wrote
“Another thing. Obama supporters should consider the fact that in the last two elections the democrats were wholly behind both Kerry and Gore and they still lost. Obama has wrenched our party in two, shredded our unity.
How do any of you think for a second he has a chance to win in November without the backing of half the party?”
Truer words were never spoken. I keep asking Hillary people if they will back Obama in the general election and they say they will cross the aisle 1st. They do not trust Obama.

Posted by: John | May 20, 2008, 11:23 am 11:23 am

It has been a good exchange of ideas. Have a great day.

Posted by: Vel Champion | May 20, 2008, 11:24 am 11:24 am

Hillary lacks integrity. Her opinions flow like the wind chasing a leaf in a hurricane. She takes a stand for whatever the crowd seeks, and she never keeps her word or her campaign promises. She is desperate to furfill her promises to the “unholy alliances”. Only the Clintons and special interests will make money with a Clinton whitehouse. She is not good for the nation or the future.

Posted by: Vel Champion | May 20, 2008, 11:25 am 11:25 am

david from texas:
I could not agree more. If we all just take the time to talk to each other, we will see that we have a lot more in common than we think. WE all share the same values and want what is best for our families. Name calling just divides us more and this country has had enough division.

Posted by: Really? | May 20, 2008, 11:33 am 11:33 am

We need to elect representatives who have a strong tie-in to reality. The few, they never authorized the Iraq war.

Posted by: David | May 20, 2008, 11:43 am 11:43 am

Really?
You can have a day-dream talk as much as you want. The reality is Democrat party has been split since Obama started his hateful campaign. Don’t call for unity and don’t ever expect us to stand behind Obama. He is nothing but an empty promise, a fraud; and a racist!

Posted by: Christina | May 20, 2008, 11:44 am 11:44 am

@Karen: Then I expect you were really upset last Oct. and Nov. when Sen. Clinton was going around to news agencies telling them that the race would be over by Feb. 5th and she’d be the nominee. She was still pushing that line a week before Super Tuesday.
Of course, 3 days before Michigan voted she said (copying Biden’s words in the process), “It’s clear this contest they’re holding doesn’t mean anything. It’s a beauty contest” and now she’s acting as if her campaign workers had nothing to do with not only writing the rules, but voting on them too. As if she didn’t sign a pledge and decided to ignore it.

Posted by: faboo mama | May 20, 2008, 11:46 am 11:46 am

John wrote:
Truer words were never spoken. I keep asking Hillary people if they will back Obama in the general election and they say they will cross the aisle 1st.
************
That’s a sad commentary. I am voting for the Democractic ideals tht will get this country out of the quagmire of the last 8 years. I’m voting for Universal Healthcare because my 18yo son is Type 1 diabetic and if his future employer doesn’t have healthcare, his life will be at risk. I’m voting against Cowboy Diplomacy that shoots first and doesn’t question later, because they could care less about the answer. I’m voting against having my home phone tapped (my husband has a Russian last name and was working in Bejeing, China for 6 months with Chrysler and they tapped our phone, even have the Court Order approving it). I’m voting against having our rights trampled on. I’m voting against paying more for everything, but having our pay stay the same. I’m voting against a government that boasts who everyone will own a home (aka Bush in 2002) only to allow predatory lenders to fool minorities into ridiculous mortgages contracts and lose their American dream due to foreclosure. And then to blame them and say “They should have read the fine print”. I’m voting against a war that has so many of young men and women coming home in bodies or broken in the mind and heart, yet the VA refuses them the help they so desperately need. I’m voting against a government that gives billions of my tax dollars to companies like Blackwater and Halliburton, but doesn’t see fit to give the troops the body armor they need to stay safe.
I’m voting for everything that HRC ran on and stands for. If I have to vote for Obama to get it, fine by me.
Vote for McCain if you are so aligned with his policies, but when your 5 year old wakes up in the middle of the night with a 104 degree temperature or your 90 year old mother needs a nursing home, will you be able to look them in the eye and say “Sorry, but 2 years ago I voted against Univesal Health care out of spite”?

Posted by: Really? | May 20, 2008, 12:00 pm 12:00 pm

Obama will be the nominee. The super delegates will just hand the election to McCain.
Not 20 times all of Obama’s new registrants could overcome the exodus of dems to the GOP when this happens.
It is laughable that the DNC thinks we will fall in line in November.
I don’t think they actually want the White House.

Posted by: John | May 20, 2008, 12:03 pm 12:03 pm

John said:
It is laughable that the DNC thinks we will fall in line in November.
I don’t think they actually want the White House.
I COULDN’T AGREE WITH YOU MORE! The DNC (Dean, Pelosi,Kennedy, Kerry, and Richardson) have split the Democratic party this year. With less than 6 mos before the GE, thats not enough “healing” time. The DNC has basically given the Presidency over to the GOP.

Posted by: david from texas | May 20, 2008, 12:06 pm 12:06 pm

Really?
Is there anything about Obama that bothers you? Are you ok with his lying about his mentor? Are you ok with his lying about his birth, his father, his special interests? Would you damn America too? That is what will happen if he gets into the White House.
Won’t happen though. There are enough true Americans to stop the facist.

Posted by: John | May 20, 2008, 12:13 pm 12:13 pm

To Hillary supporters,
I love you all. You are rocks. Let stick with Hillary to the bitter end. Hillary is worth to fight for. If she ever gives up, we need to work harder to prevent that jerk from getting into the White House. Obama is not to be trusted. He will throw the whole country under the bus like he did to his grandma and his pastor.

Posted by: Christina | May 20, 2008, 12:23 pm 12:23 pm

John, Obama is human. He can’t chose his father, just as you couldn’t. Special interest? Hillary has her share too. The pastor? Eh, nutjob and scholar, highly regarded with some wacky ideas. Clinton’s had him to the White House 5 times to counsel Bill during the whole Monica thing. If the Clintons thought he was OK then, he can’t be all that bad. Can he sit there for 20 years and not “hear” it, probably, because when the priest is speaking in my church, I’m usually making a shoppping list in my head, LOL. His ideals are 98% in line with hers. Besides the plumbing and a good tan, they are exactly alike in my book. They both stand for the ideals that will make this country great again.

Posted by: Really? | May 20, 2008, 12:25 pm 12:25 pm

It’s strange that most of the Obama supporters would vote for HRC if she won the nomination. I guess we want change. But the HRC supporters seem to be voting out of fear.

Posted by: Really? | May 20, 2008, 12:29 pm 12:29 pm

Really,
“Vote for McCain if you are so aligned with his policies, but when your 5 year old wakes up in the middle of the night with a 104 degree temperature or your 90 year old mother needs a nursing home, will you be able to look them in the eye and say “Sorry, but 2 years ago I voted against Universal Health care out of spite”?”
So vote for HILLARY! Do you truly believe that Obama will change anything if he get elected? To us, the answer is NO. Obama has nothing to prove accept his hope and change words. Words won’t cure any sickness. We need real solution!

Posted by: Christina | May 20, 2008, 12:38 pm 12:38 pm

Really?
Wright attended an annual White House prayer breakfast on Sept. 11, 1998. He took a pic with the then president. He NEVER counseled him. Please at least try to research before you just regurgitate this crap.

Posted by: John | May 20, 2008, 1:01 pm 1:01 pm

geevil:
And when Rev. Wright runs for office, that should be an issue for him. It’s what we call in the country “Separation of Church and State”. Adults know the difference, fear mongers can’t see it.

Posted by: Really? | May 20, 2008, 1:23 pm 1:23 pm

Christina,
It’s nice you want to help and all, by the DCCC has already told HRC in no uncertain terms that they will not count has voted. They will not change the rules she agreed to in advance. Their minds are made up, it just isn’t official yet. And for HRC to let you believe otherwise is very unfair, in my book.
And please don’t give her any money, I think it’s almost crminal that she would take money from us, who are barely scrapping by, to fund a campaign that is all but over.
When she’s done, she goes back to her mansion, gazillions of dollars and her Senate seat. She doesn’t know what it’s like to be us.

Posted by: Really? | May 20, 2008, 1:41 pm 1:41 pm

From Lou Dobbs commentary:
“DOBBS: I have to say that what I don’t understand. … With the antipathy towards Senator Obama that has built up over the last few weeks, for the life of me, I don’t understand why the … Republicans aren’t doing everything they can to get this man the nomination.”
Hello? Democrats? Left Blogistan? This is the MSM announcing that they are fully aware of Obama’s weaknesses and that they are counseling the Republicans to not just hold their fire but to directly assist Obama to defeat the candidate who is a bigger challenge in the general.
It’s evident that Hillary is the stronger candidate, thats why there is so much negativity toward her. The GOP has Obama and America right where they want them….an easy win for McCain in the fall, 4 more years of GOP rule!

Posted by: david from texas | May 20, 2008, 2:26 pm 2:26 pm

@ TOO LITTLE TOO LATE…..I’m not asking for anyone to do anything….I’m just pissed at the way the DNC has deceived Americans this year. I agree with you, I wish John Edwards was the nominee. Out of the two that are left, I go with Hillary….mainly, because she has outlined plans for her presidency and ways of achieving them. Obama, basically is a good guy caught up in the hype…however, it seems to me he has no direction of his own, he is always “agreeing” with Mrs. Clinton. It’s like he can’t have original thoughts of his own. Added to this, I honestly feel he played the race card and that, I find appalling.

Posted by: david from texas | May 20, 2008, 2:39 pm 2:39 pm

TOO LITTLE TOO LATE……. good point!

Posted by: david from texas | May 20, 2008, 3:09 pm 3:09 pm

Hillary has already pleaded with her supporters to not vote McCain under any condition.
A vote for McCain would be a vote against everything that she has worked so hard for.
Posted by: Debbie | May 19, 2008 9:53:10 PM
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To LATE!! We are now registered as independents and will never vote BO!
NEVER WILL I VOTE FOR BO!!!

Posted by: HP Boston | May 20, 2008, 3:22 pm 3:22 pm

I am amazed by all the ignorance of the Hillary supporters. It has always been about entitlement for Hillary,count the times she will say me in every speech. Hillary is a liar, the Bosnian tale of being fired upon,a racist,and has run just as nasty a campaign as Karl Rove. We do not need to extend the Clinton Dynasty, they had their chance. The Clinton administration was not much different then most republican office holders.Do Hillary fans want us to annihilate Iran or start more wars. We need to wake up and move on. We will have a woman as president but not Hillary.

Posted by: Cary Friedman | May 20, 2008, 3:46 pm 3:46 pm

I am amazed by all the ignorance of the Obama supporters.
Obama is a liar,
I never heard Wright, ok, I did hear him but didn’t agree with him, Wright is my mentor, Wright was never my mentor, I could never denounce him, oh nevermind, yes I can, Selma got me born,my daddy was a sheep herder, the Kennedy boys brought my daddy here, I don’t take special interest money……
I can go on and on.
No Obama will never be POTUS.
God Bless America, never damn her.

Posted by: Proud to be American | May 20, 2008, 4:12 pm 4:12 pm

As a Hillary supporter, I must say that I’m disappointed in two ways. The first, obviously is that it doesn’t appear that she will get the nomination. The second is that there are far too many other Hillary supporters who are saying that they will refuse to support Barack Obama if he is the nominee. That makes no sense to me to fail to support the one who (according the the voters) has a better chance at winning the election in November. I don’t understand how anyone who supports Hillary will choose John McCain over Obama…it just doesn’t add up.

Posted by: matt | May 21, 2008, 6:40 pm 6:40 pm

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