Clinton: ‘This is Nowhere Near Over’

Isnt this what she told West Virginia. It’s over Hillary time to move on.

Hillary will win big in Kentucky and be competitive in Oregon. Again, Oregon is prime Dem territory, while Kentucky is a pivotal swing state that Dems need to take. Hillary is running strong in electoral vote and popular vote. Dems should carefully weigh all this data.

Hillary Who???

Time for Hillary to stop throwing stones. She can still have a good career in the senate as long as she doesn’t shoot herself in the foot or talk about sniper-fire again. Obama 2008!

(still laughing)

quitters are losers and losers are quitters! Statistics show that most men will quit before a woman. Women are more likely to stay loyal and continue to fight…it’s in our genes…more men will give in and quit.
She’s not a quitter-that’s the point!

I’m not clear on why Hillary thinks New York or California voters would vote like West Virginia voters did in the GE if Barack is the candidate.
It seems more like it’s a politician carefully cherry picking the information and presenting partial information in a light which casts her candidacy as superior.
I’m tired of having my intelligence insulted, I wish this was all over. It’s been brought home to me that the democratic party voter tent includes some people I’m tired of accepting.
To the older WV voter who said she would never vote for a black man and the older women’s rights voters who attack female Obama supporters as misogynists and traitors – we need to move on from these fear/emotion driven ideas and do what is best for the nation.

BHO will lose in November at a time that no other dems could even possibly lose. He is a phony hypocrite, now that he is cry baby that the GOP cannot criticize his wife. Then, hide the mouth piece behind closed doors if you do not want to expose your true colors.
BHO has framed everything that is remotely linked to the HRC campaign as racist. Now he is crying fault of the GOP for criticizing her wife, who goes around and talks about nonsense (actually their true beliefs).

Sometimes ignorance of the true facts gets the best of me.
Instead of voting based on my critical thinking skills, I usually vote based on perception.
Voters like myself and others are the true causes of the current leadership of our country.
WE JUST DON’T CRITICALLY THINK THINGS OUT!

Arggggggggggggggggggggggghhh!!!!
Why is this happening to me!!!!

John,
I suspected as much. There is BIG dirt to come out on Obama and that’s why Hillary is sticking around. It’s just the timing that not sure. It probably won’t come out until after the convention when the DNC will look like idiots for nominating this LOSER. But I guess they’re just really good at picking LOSERS – Kerry, Gore, Dukakis, McGovern, Carter, Mondale, …OOOH the list goes on. Seems to me the only winner they had in YEARS was a CLINTON.
GO HILLARY!!

I know deep down inside that Obama will be the next President of the United States.
I just can’t fathom the idea of having a breath of fresh air in politics after being in the dungeon of mental apathy.
I promise to get better.

The larger crowds BHO draws, the greater loss he will maintain.

Texas Voter,
How come you didn’t mention the latest Gallup Poll that has show Clinton CONSISTENTLY ahead of McCain (albeit by just 3 to 5 points)for over a week, while little Obama has been lagging behind and is struggling to even keep even? He CAN’T and WON’T win the GE!!!

NCDEM IS A REPUBLICAN
We’ll see who’s dilusional come August. For obvious reasons her campaign can’t be the one to leak it.

but it is done blanche… it is.

Talk about petty….yezzzz…you HRC supoporter need to get with the program. No matter who wins we need to defat McCain!!!! My God….You are all just as vindictive and egotisical as HRC…If Hillary get s the nod, which I doubt, I will take a deep breath and vote HRC….NEVER MCCAIN….

My nominee is Barack Obama.
Clinton and all the ‘single cause’ haters can play all they want – we march on.

State by state means nothing. total votes, total delegates, mena EVERYTHING.
Stop trying to change the rules AGAIN…Hillary…again? please…not again? You can’t keep changing the rules, this isn’t the Republicna party, we play by Dem rules….the same rules that you had NO PROBLEM following when your husband was elected.

Hey Texas Voter…if you are suggesting the Sd will or should overturn the popular vote and the delgate count, I have a gridge for sale you should buy some of. $100 a brick.

Yavo – the popular count typically does not include caucus states. Of course, since Hillary wants every vote to be represented, she would want the causus states voters to be included. Even though they favor Obama, Hillary could possibly want to disenfranchise caucus voters? Could she?

marty…I find that you have an empty head…if you vote McCain…What will you tell our future generation( your children and grandchildren) when they asked how we got in this mess….when they are still fighting in Iraq?

Obama is ridiculously inexperienced, dishonest, arrogant, hypocrite. If DNC is insane enough to nominate Obama, we’re looking at a McCain landslide. That’s not revenge, but a sane thing to do. Vote McCain anytime.
By the way, what happened to the will of the people, not overturning the popular vote, etc. Does it apply only when it suits Obama? Hillary won WV by landslide, and sen Byrd is endorsing Obama? Is he thinking he could wash away his racist past beofre dying by doing this? Obomination is all about symbolism, and this proves it again.
First Choice Hillary. Second choice McCain. OBAMA NEVER. We have the numbers, electoral college strength to prevail in November.

Obama supporters, I hate to break it to you but a simple majority of pledged delegates does not secure the nomination.
And for those of you who say Clinton has run a lousy campaign, what does it say about your guy that he can’t put away a lousy campaigner when he’s so much better at it in your opinion?

Hang in there Hillary!!! We may be quieter than the 75,000 Obama campaign workers at the Portland rally, but we are just as strong. Our strength is shown during discussions on the soccer field, at the grocery store or even in church. We understand what has happened and how the good old boy network has tried to manipulate this election,but your determination and the refusal to quietly go away has earned you the respect and votes of many. We will make our opinion heard loud and clear in November.

what Hillary and her supporters have yet to realize is that Obama has redefined the elctoral map and will win the presidency.
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You mean in November Obama is going to have landslide victories in Idaho, Wyoming, and Monatana. LOL! Obamabots are completely delusional. All McCain has to do is to put a conservative like Huckabee on the ticket. Obama wouldn’t take a single red state. Florida is going McCain, Obama is very weak in OH, and PA against McCain. Sure Loser= Obama.

Just because Democrats in some states think she is the better candidate does not mean they think Barack is a bad candidate.
I highly doubt states like New York, Michigan, Pennsylvania, New Jersey and California, who voted for Clinton in the primaries, will go Republican in the fall.
Besides, isn’t Barack attracting Republicans and Independents? I haven’t seen Hillary doing that lately.
The reason why this has gone on so long is because they both are excellent candidates and, for the first time in a long time, America is confused by their ability and not their incompentency.

Obama was suppose to make his victory speech tomorrow in Iowa. I now hear otherwise. Why is he canceling the victory speech?

I think it is pretty well agreed that Obama needs the Clinton supporters in order to win the general election.
Why are Obama supporters treating Clinton supporters so rudely? You are certainly not helping him by trashing Hillary and her supporters.
I would vote for Hillary, but am not sure if I would vote for Obama. I still do not hear much more than rhetoric from him, very little in the way of plans but lots of “change” rhetoric. What is he going to change, how is he going to change them, how will he work inside the system that he want’s to change? So far I am not convinced and your slams at Clinton are not helping.
There are many of us that doubt Obama’s chance of being elected in Nov.
The Republican attack machine is licking its chops folks so don’t turn off too many of us Clinton supporters or we may be saying…”told you so”

Yavo Lem,
This is a serious question. You keep including MI and FL in your math, what is HRC going to do when the DCCC denies her plea to seat the delegates as voted? The DCCC has hinted, strongly, that they would not be buying this agrument. If she is depending on MI and FL to claim the nomination and is denied, then what?
Thank you in advance for replying.

Lem I like seeing the numbers to bad they hate seeing them Hillary is still very much in this race and still may win it no matter what the media lies are.

I don’t get all the hateful posts. For the Hillary folks, did you see the crowd that showed up in Oregon to hear Obama, no way to spin that kind of support. Hillary couldn’t draw that many to a rally if she was passing out $5.00 bills. On the other hand to Obama folks, Hillary does draw support from the old Rust belt states and Obama will be in a real fight to win those in November. If the sides keep fighting McCain will be the next president and that would be a real shame.

Who is paying these super d’s to line up behind BO? Just saw one from WVA where Hillary won in a landslide go to BO again? What is going on here and who is manipulating this?

It’s OVER… Now could you PLEASE focus on beating John McCain!!!

No one likes a sore loser and Hillary Clinton is increasing looking like one with each passing day. Senator Obama and the DNC have gone out their way to be nice to Senator Clinton – to give her space – but the time is fast approaching when she will be forced to withdraw for the good of the Party.

Hillary, the race was over a long time ago. Face it, Obama won and he will be next president. It’s truly unbeliavable how she keeps going with the purpose of spliting the party when the one thing we need is to come together as one and beat the republicans. STEP ASIDE WOMAN! i wish someone could make her understand that it is done. This hypocrital candidate has shown no ethics throughout the campaign that is the one of the main reason she lost.

Hillary supporters. You say Obama needs you to win but you seem to forget that Hillary would need Obama supporters to win. This is a Mexican standoff (old western slang for when two people have their guns aimed at each other. Both sides want the other side to put the gun down first). If you are voting on issues, Obama and Hillary are very close. It doesn’t matter which one gets the nomination, either of them are closer than McCain is. If you are voting emotionally, then by definition rational arguments will not affect your opinion (and therefore your vote).

Hey Texas Voter… your blinded by your support for Obama and defensive about anyone that challenges his candidacy
Your Words…”OK, I didn’t get that since you said the Press was the only reason Obama was ahead. Since that was the basis for your entire argument, you understand my confusion.”
Check the facts… I never said that the press was the ONLY reason Obama was ahead… I said they influence enough morons and have their own support Obama agenda that will give him enough votes in a very close democrat race… I hope that that is clear enough so that all you “educated” Obama supporters can clearly understand… tired of my words being interpreted to fit your agenda

75,000 crowd in Oregon is the reason Obama should become president? One could make the exact opposite argument.
The country is facing serious problems; MEANWHILE Obamamania shows are like rock concerts. Very shallow, emotionalism, and symbolism. Supposedly this man with an exotic background, no experience in anything, talks b.s, completely hides his shady past (NOTHING THERE TO SUPPORT THE BOGUS CLAIM OF BEING UNITER), and you chant and faint..Is this American Idol contest?? Rest of the population should get impressed by this show and vote for your messiah?
And the person who says Hilalry supporters have to vote Obama to meet their “needs”. One of their needs is wanting not to elect an arrogant elitist.

In spite of all the hoopala, press pandering, and large, fanatical crowds, Obama will NOT win in November. Too much of the wrong baggage and bad attitude. All this hype of building him up as so-o-o intelligent, fair minded, etc. is just more audacity of hope because, you all know he isn’t any of those things. He sure slung a lot of mud at Bill, Hillary’s spouse, but, now, don’t pick on Michelle. What lopsided rot !! He is turning out to be such a phony, and unelectable.

The Clinton supporters are getting shrill. It will not be pretty when you all have to come out of the rabbit hole back to reality. No matter how much spin you put on it or how much you will it not to happen, Hillary will lose her quest to be the nominee. This is just fact, not talking down or up or sideways. It is also not sexist misogynistic or whatever. The majority of voters have spoken and the majority of delegates have spoken. You can spin it but you can’t change it. I am looking forward to when reality sets in. It has to soon and then once you have seen the light, we can conquer the Presidency together. As am aside all the talk about the history of who won which states were in the election not in the primary. And history is not place to look for the answers in this election campaign because it is and will make history as to how it unfolds…..

carla…Obama is the one that needs to step aside. Hillary is the better candidate here. Obama is saying he doesn’t want anybody to say anything against his wife in the GE. That is so Hillarious. Hillary has had plenty said about her husband in this Primary by the media, Obama and his supporters. Who does he think he is??? He’s above the normal campaign retoric that he himself uses??? Oh, that’s right…He is a God??? Better than all before him??? Is he going to stop the press from reporting all of his devious past as well? I don’t think so. Freedom opf speech is questionable if Obama is being attacked.
Kentucky and Oregon please blow Obama out of this campaign. I know you can do it!!!

Hillary is getting desperate, She is only ahead in the popular vote if you include the Michigan primary, a state that Obama was not even on the ballot and she still found a way to lose 237,762 votes to a candidate called “UNCOMMITTED”. In my book that is not a convincing argument. One would have to assume that those uncommitted voters were Obama supporters that showed loyalty. And I would be willing to bet that the votes that the other two Democratic candidates received probably would have went to Obama as well. That being the case she is still behind in the popular vote anywhere in a range of minimum 63,422 votes to a maximum of 87,493 votes, and that is assuming some of those who voted for Hillary would not have voted for Obama giving the chance. You can not use the popular vote of a state when Both candidates agreed it would not count ahead of time. She is showing her character by trying to cheat to win. Get real Hillary and get out of the way.

haha the hillary supporter make me laugh so hard. they’re so hyprocritical just like hillary herself. Wow, first they say delegates should determine the party’s nominee, now it’s popular vote. God, make up your mind and stick to what you say! Hillary agreed to fallow the rules and let MI and FL be punished, and now desperation has come and she changes her mind. Just like she did with Iraq first she said yes and now she says she opposed it from the very beggining.. wow.. true hyprocesy, zero ethics. what a wonderful candidate huh? haha

Well, Texas Voter – everybody has their own perspective. Glad you are being amused. lol.
A Proud, Black, Hillary Supporter
Rise, Hillary, Rise!’08
(It ain’t over until the lady in the pantsuit says so!)

Robert, Obama’s name was not on the Michigan ballot because he CHOSE to take it off. It had been there. But he opted to cow-tow to IA & NH, and to Dean’s extremely draconian misinterpretation and perversion of the very “rules” he (Dean) supposedly was defending, and remove his name from the ballot. There was absolutely NO RULE–let’s be crystal clear about that–stating that any candidate should remove his or her name from any ballot. That was totally insane! It was Dean Scream 2008, and most of the candidates went along with it, so now Obama has no one to blame but…hmmm, let’s see: HIMSELF for the fact that he was not on the ballot. And, funny thing: often when you remove your name from a ballot, you don’t get any votes on said ballot. Strange how that works. Does it render the election results themselves invalid? No. All it means is that the candidate who CHOSE to take himself off the ballot doesn’t have as much “judgement” as he is always saying he does.
*shrug*

Tricia C,
Look at the whole Texas map to see how many counties Obama actually got. Yet, Obama won San Antonio but lost almost the whole state in Primary! He spent 4 to 1 in Texas…. and the outcome is so disappointed ha???
When a candidate has nothing to prove, he will sing a song CHANGE. This “hope and change song” will be flushing through a toilette because the its rhythm gradually sounds like BLAHH BLAHH BLAHH …..yawwwww boring!

Obama supporter,
You really are not supporting your candidate at all. You are just spouting off at the very people that Obama needs to win the Nov. election. It is this type of “supporter” that will lead to the defection of many.
Really I can appreciate your enthusiasm for your candidate but Obama simply can not afford to toss away ANY Hillary voters. Try convincing us why we should cast our vote for Obama instead of pushing us towards McCain. The actions of Obama supporters will weigh in determining our votes.

@OBAMA SUPPORTER – I don’t vote out of hate and bitterness. I just feel that Hillary will make a better president, that after checking out both of their policy positions. Now, you are supposed to be representing the party of “Unity.” Do you really feel that what you wrote to me had anything to do with unity? You should not be angry with me or anyone else because they differ from you. Half of the democrat party differs from you. The other half differs from me. Right? I am not a part of any lunatic fringe and I am pretty d@mn intelligent. Perhaps we should just agree to disagree?
A Proud, Black, Hillary Supporter
Rise, Hillary, Rise!’08
(It ain’t over until the lady in the pantsuit says so!)

Right on Hillary – and to all of you who say the rules are the rules have never worked for a large corporation. Rules and policies are always broken – that is why they have “supervisor overrides” to make exceptions to those rules. So get over that statement. The DNC has lousy rules that have caused a castrophy and should have never disenfranchised voters. Howard Dean screwed up folks – now it for somebody else to fix his major screw-up.

To Tom E:
You should vote for Obama instead of McCain because if you look at their voting records, Obama’s voting record is almost identical to Hillary’s. Despite the mudflinging in these primarys, the candidates are very much alike on the issues. McCain has a much different voting record that is more in line with President Bush. I heard on the news that McCain has sided with the President in the last 4 years almost 95% of the time he voted. We do not need another Bush term. The time to turn this country around is now, not 4 disasterous years from now under McCain.

efox – That is a well laid out, articulate and salient post. Too bad the Zombie Nation will reject it outright because it is too laden with logic and common sense.
What a waste of a good post, huh?

What part of ‘mathematically impossible’ don’t Hillary or her supporters understand? Quit being such fanatically sore losers and get behind your party’s candidate, or just go on and join the McAncient bandwagon.

Good for Hillary – Hang in there Lady – we women are behind you 100% -
If Hillary is not nominated, our votes go to John McCain – never obama, never.
obama followers sure get testy when someone says they won’t vote for obama. Well, there are many, many who won’t vote for obama who will vote for McCain – obama cannot win without these votes – sorry obama Kool aid drinkers.

Yavo Lem,
This is a serious question. You keep including MI and FL in your math, what is HRC going to do when the DCCC denies her plea to seat the delegates as voted? The DCCC has hinted, strongly, that they would not be buying this agrument. If she is depending on MI and FL to claim the nomination and is denied, then what?
Thank you in advance for replying.
Posted by: Really?
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OK, Really?, taking you at your word that you are asking in all seriousness, I’ll try to give you my reasoning:
1.) Let the Punishment Fit the Crime.
2.) Punish the crooks, not the victims.
3.) FLorida:
All candidate’s names were on the ballot. The citizens of Florida did not reschedule the Primary date. Hillary Clinton did not campaign in the state, as pledged. Barack Obama, on the other hand, had TV ads, and possibly radio ads, running in the state prior to the vote. The citizens of Florida voted in good faith. The results of the vote have been validated and certified by the Secretary of State of Florida. Therefore, the delegates of Florida should be allocated to the candidates as is, without any reduction or reallocation. There is no need for a revote.
As to punishment, a substantial fine, in the form of a contribution to the DNC campaign fund, which needs the money, would be appropriate.
4.) Michigan:
As in Florida, the citizens of Michigan did not move the date of the Primary. Initially, all three candidates, Clinton, Obama and Edwards, were on the ballot. For some reason, Obama and Edwards CHOSE to remove their names, telling their supporters to vote “UNCOMMITTED” (wink, wink). The voters voted in good faith, at least for Clinton. The vote totals have been validated and certified by the Secretary of State. Michigan could not arrange a fair revote, since Senator Edwards had dropped out. Clinton’s delegates should be allocated to her in accordance with the vote. Since there cannot be a fair revote, and since no one can tell which of the “UNCOMMITED” votes belong to Obama and which belonged to Edwards, and since Edwards has now endorsed Obama, he should be awarded the delegates allocated to the “UNCOMMITED” vote.
As to punishment, the State of Michigan should, like Florida, be assessed a substantial fine, payable to the DNC Campaign Fund.
5.) Do not disenfranchise the 2,013,677 voters who cast their ballots for Clinton and Obama in Florida and for Clinton and “UNCOMMITTED” in Michigan.
6.) There are 50 states that should FULLY PARTICIPATE in the Democratic Party Primary races, not 48.
7.) Florida and Michigan were not the only two states to have advanced their Primary dates, so, if Florida and Michigan are penalized, the others must be penalized, too. What is sauce for the gander is sauce for the goose.
8.) The DNC has a duty and responsibility to the voters first, to the candidates second and to the states last. To not exercise this accordingly would be dereliction of duty and irresponbile in the extreme.
So, Really?, those are my thoughts on the issue, and I sent something similar to the DNC a few days ago, and I called them as well. The call was to Mr. Tom McMahon’s office and I spoke to someone there for nearly half an hour. I was told that mine was no where near the first call they had received, but that it was the politest so far. I don’t know whether or not that was political diplomacy.

ha ha Schlinda, Barack doesn’t have that problem because America wants him

to all of you hillary supporters:
Do you really believe that a candidate who’s already in debt (20 million) could be a good president and help america get out of its own debt? I dont think so, she has demonstrated no abilities to manage a campaign so i hate to imagine the damage she could cause to our country. She is not prepared. maybe in a few years when she learns her lessons from this campaign.
TRUE DEMOCRATS WILL NOT VOTE FOR MAC WAR IN NOVEMBER

Texas Voter
Have you ever been Oregon. Oregon voters are precisely the demographic that favor Obama. 75,000 Oregonians turned out to see him on Sunday. It’s going to be a blowout in Oregon. Just look what hapopened in Oregon’s neighbor, Washington State.

If the rules were different, Obama would have campaigned differently. So that argument doesn’t stick. By the way, Clinton running out of arguments to make.

Thanks Dallas Voter for the good info:D
A Proud, Black, Hillary Supporter
Rise, Hillary, Rise!’08
(It ain’t over until the lady in the pantsuit says so!)

Dear Obama supporter:
Thank you for your response. I understand your frustration.
I also, NEVER EVER supported this travesty of a war. I am truly angered that everyday we appear to get deeper and deeper into Iraq and further from leaving.
As for the bad behaving Hillary supporters. I am not looking to them to convince me why I should or should not support Obama if (most likely when) he wins the nomination. I would prefer it if she won but it doesn’t look like she will so I’m prepairing to start assessing the other two, and honestly I don’t know much of Obama’s plans and stradegies. I would like to know why his supporters support him.
Thanks

micmacarac,
If America wants Obama, why he just got 1/2 of the votes so far from Democrat party only???? Talk about the Primary Election in November. He will be faded like GHOST!

To the original commenter: Since when are Oregon, Washington, Connecticut, Vermont, D.C, Maryland, Wisconsin, Delaware, Minnesota and Maine Republican strongholds?
Get your head straight. Is your wounded pride really more important than having a Democrat in the white house? Obama’s policies are almost exactly identical to Clinton’s. You’re doing nothing but being a sore loser.

thinkindem.. dont get mad im just trying to get you informed. Im doing you a little favor.
Im not tryin to influence anyone. I just want people to learn more about their candidates and their campaigns. And you cant deny her campaign is a mess.. what a shame.

WOW!!! Things are heating up again internally. It always seems that just before a state primary Hillary realizes that in less that 48 hours her dream will get much, much harder. “We don’t have a nominee yet!!!” Well, almost certainly, Hillary will not be the nominee. On Friday, after all the Bush/McCain “appeasment” jibberish, Ole Huckster had to get a jab in. That probably did him in as far as VP.
Go Democrats First/Go Obama or Clinton 2008

OOOO, thinkingdem. Do you have anything to bolter your argument here or are you just choosing the, “Well, that what YOU think, Mr. Poopy Pants!” route?

REDLION you’re so right! a true democrat would never go republican over bitterness and anger.

Clinton is correct about the electoral math, but the irony is that it won’t matter within the Democratic Party, and Obama will be the nominee anyway. The truth is, she would be harder to beat in the swing states. (Obama is not even competitive in Florida, and is well behind McCain in Ohio). On the other hand, the superdelegates know that if they hand Clinton the nomination, they will be perceived to have “stolen” it from Obama, and that alone would doom Clinton in the general election. Either way, McCain is getting a significant edge, and may well win in November, all in a year that, by all rights, the Republicans should lose in a landslide.

Really not attempting to be disrespectful, I’m honestly confused. Because if Obama were to be beaten and Clinton somehow emerge the victor at this stage, I’d be infuriated, enraged, and talk of at least staying home…for awhile. Then, come November, I would swallow my pride and vote for Hillary, because I love this country too damned much to allow another 4 years of hard-line Republican policies. Why isn’t the reverse true? I understand, some of you just don’t like Obama. But if/when Clinton drops out of the race, it’s Obama who will represent her ideology. I know you’re angry, I would be too. But is that a reason to actively destroy everything that she worked for?

I don’t think that Clinton is right about the electoral math. Kentucky and Tenn would be lost anyway. But Obama is becoming competative in Texas, Virginia, and the Carolinas. And also is competative in Florida. Polls tend to undercount Obama in high black areas because their weighting of the significance of black voter turnout is based on past election models. Black turnout has been double of that in the past during the primaries, and may be even higher if Obama is the nominee. This could make a 5% swing from what the polls now say, and all of those states above that I mentioned are within those 5 points.

Thinkingdem: what evidence is there that Clinton, who holds a seat as a Democratic senator and presumably believes that she has a future in the party, is even considering running as an independent if she loses the nomination to Obama? It goes without saying that, if she were to do so, she would split the Democratic vote with Obama (the nomineee), and that McCain would win by a very large margin.
I don’t get it.

yes ryan!! we all love obama for all those reason you mentioned. he’s the best candidate.

Once again, as per the rule book delegates and superdelegates elect the nominee at the convention. Hillary should stay in it and let the due process take it course.

Sanity Man: I will concede that polls can be misleading, and that Obama’s chances in Florida and Ohio may be better than I implied. By the same token, however, it is fair to say that McCain currently has an edge over Obama in both of those states, and that Clinton fares better against McCain in those states than Obama does. The same is true of Penn. and Arkansas. I will admit that, unlike Clinton, Obama could put certain red states in play (North Carolina, Nevada, Colorado), and is more likely to win Iowa than Clinton. But it is hard to see how a Democrat can win without winning two out of the following three: Ohio, Penn. and Florida. Right now, Obama faces an uphill battle in two and an even race in one; Clinton leads McCain in all three.

No one is arguing that point, Long-term Democrat. She has every right to go on, no matter how self serving and sad it looks.
As we have seen, the polls clearly show Obama getting stronger, and since he’s already engaged John McCain full bore, the GE debate has finally begun.

I FEEL SO SORRY FOR ALL OF YOU AND YOUR HATRED AND PREJUDICES. THAT HAVE CAUSE YOU TO FOGET ABOUT THE PARTY. NONE OF CAN STAND ANOTHER 4 YRS OF A REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT, AND I KNOW IN YOUR HEART OF HEARTS THAT’S NOT WHAT YOU WANT. BUT YOUR PREJUDICE WILL NOT LET YOU STAND WITH YOUR PARTY. FOR YEARS BLACK PEOPLE HAVE HAD TO VOTE FOR PEOPLE THAT I KNEW DID NOT HAVE THEIR INTEREST AT HEART BUY THEY STAYED WITH THE PARTY ANYWAY. FOR ALL OF YOU THAT SAY IF HILLARY DOES NOT GET IT YOU WILL NOT VOTE YOUR PARTY. EVERY TIME TO GO TO THE GROCERY STORE OR PUMP GAS THINK ABOUT IT YOUR POCKET CAN’T STAND ANOTHER 4 YRS PUT ASIDE YOUR HATRED LONG ENOUGH TO DO WHAT’S RIGHT FOR A CHANGE. LOOK AT WHERE BUSH HAS GOTTEN US THE LAST 4 YEARS MY GOD PEOPLE

Nice. It looks like Obush is going to get the nod from the dems and we can look forward to 4 more years of inexperience and incompetence in the white house.

ObamaforPresident – Hard for me to imagine any deal that would include a payback of her loans. In addition, her crowds are getting smaller (just look at the tens of people that turned out today in KY!). He poll numbers nationally are going down so fast, I’m getting the Bends. The longer she stays, the less leverage she has. If she wants to commit political suicide, who am I to say no?
OBAMA SUPPORTER – I had the feeling that was the case. I haven’t seen that many trolls outside of a Tolkien novel.

Obama took advantage of the DNC’s screwed up method for allocating delegates by dominating the process in caucus states he won’t even win in November. OK, he has the lead in delegates, but he has not proven he can win the important states. Hillary is right, her wins reflect 300 electoral v. his 217. He cannot win. Supers Step Up and fix this mess, PLEASE.

Munk – your math looks good, but I have to say that since Indiana Hillary has not engaged in the usual “kitchen sink” strategy. She’s intellegent and knows that there is less than 1% chance of losing and a very big chance of losing power for her, and Bill if she plays down and dirty in these last few weeks. It looks like she is trying to rack up support for herself, and extend the time that she has to collect money to payherself back her loans. I think that the only part that is unethical now is to take donations to a lost cause in order to pay back her loans. She made the loan to herself and lost, so she should take the hit, not convince a true beleiver that it does some good to give her hard earned money.

This native Texas gal isn’t letting the pundits and “elders” in a political party dictate to her anymore about who she is to vote for. I’m perfectly fine with voting for my local/state democrats but will either be voting for Hillary or writing in her name or simply not filling in any bubble on my ballot for choice of president in November. As long as we control the house and senate, McCain is powerless in White House when he wins (and if Obama is our nominee, McCain will beat him). I’m hoping voters in the swing states that matter (as Texas does not in the general), that are upset with the DNC, the media, discriminatory and prejudiced reporting, etc., will still go to the polls and vote for state/local democrats, and then write in Hillary’s name. That would show the DNC and the “elders” of the DNC that we are sick and tired of their s–t and we aren’t taking it anymore. No more will we support putting a doofus in the White House. Obama is a weaker candidate than Kerry, and we all know how well that went for us…

Kim – But… but… but… Hillary IS the Democratic establishment! In fact, she has 15 of the members for the Rules and Bylaws Committee meeting May 31st, by FAR the most of anybody.
How do you explain that, other than Obama won fair and square DESPITE these kinds of advantages Hillary had?
Seriously, explain to me how?

I think a lot of HRC supporters vote for her as a write-in candidate, and this might cost the Dems the election. Where HRC supporters are kidding themselves, though, is if they believe such a loss would allow her to run for president in 2012. The intensity of anger among Obama supporters would be, well, the same. The Dems would lose two elections. And this rift in the party would be a lot like the one which beset the Dems during the 1970s (who were the ultimate benecieries? Ronald Reagan and the GOP).

As an independent voter, I am a little confused. Do Democratic Super-delegates only come into play if no candidate reaches the magic number (whatever it is)? Are they pledged delegates or free to choose at the convention? If neither candidate reaches the ‘magic number’ at the end of the primaries, can’t the Super-delegates vote any way they choose as they are not pledged delegates? This seems confusing, but if Super-delegates can freely change their minds up to the last minute, this race could be open to both Hillary and Obama.
I have been unable to have an input so far since I am an Independent FL voter.

Clinton should be happy she is a senator. She had a great plan since 2000 but the american people have spoken. We don’t want 24+ years of Bush-Clinton. We want change. We want the best candidate. We want Obama!

She’s making a complete fool of herself at this point. Never thought I’d see a meltdown like this from her … who would have thought?

Freethinker–
I believe it’s not truly over until the convention in August. Super-delegates can change their minds up until then. After the convention the DNC is stuck with whomever is chosen.

Hillary should exit and endorse Obama tomorrow if she fails to win OR and KY with 99.99%.

Hey all, thanks for the answers. We will wait and see. I think Barack is an inspirational speaker – since his ’04 speech. I want CHANGE, but I hardly know any specifics of the changes he promises. I hear Barack state why he is against his opponents stance, but hardly hear his clear view of the change promised. What will he change? will the current politicians allow this?

Hillary is probably planning on fighting for the DEM nomination all the way to 2012…This is her choice. But as far as 2008, some maths already show that Hillary is axed. My maths point that she should win OR and KY by 99.99% to delay the inevitable. If she fails then she should pack, exit, endorse Obama, beg for a debt relief and go fishing somewhere.

We got it, Emily. You’re a bitter, bitter, oh so bitter individual. Message received.
No need to keep hitting Post like a county fair chicken hoping to get its pellet reward…

HAHAHA Disregard that (You know what goes here)

Junior Senator Obama should quite tomorrow and endorse presidential candidate Hillary Clinton – the only serious option for the Democrats to win the White House – he might still get a chance to be on her cabinet and learn a lot before his next attempt.

Gwen
the decision to go to war was the most single important decision to make in recent US history. Hillary and McCain had the poor judgement to vote for the war. No wonder they are running a chaotic campaign managed by Washington Lobbyists.

Change that you can believe in, even if you don’t know what is going to be changed or why or how. The man with little or no past accomplishments shall bring this change forth.

There is something very wrong with Obama. Just a gut feeling. To all of you out there… stop and hear what he has said and even more…what he has not said? I think he is evil. I think he is a wolf in sheep clothing. Change? What Change? He has said nothing except he keeps repeating, it’s time for change…he just keeps repeating Change? Change what? Change our country into an un believing Nation with no God? He doesn’t ever say he belives in God. Our country was formed… on One Nation under God! He is not what he wants us to think he is. Bad, Bad ,Bad.

McCain couldn’t get 75 grand at a rally if he gave away free gas.

Yavo Lem (the real one):
I just want you to know I appreciate your posts on this and other threads.
It’s no picnic being a Hillary supporter, but I believe it’ll be worth it in the end.

How would she make it to the convention with $50 million in campaign debts? Be real, the fat lady is already grabing the mic. As soon as the polls close tomorrow in OR and KY, the fat lady will be taking over and that will be the end of the Clinton invincible myth.

The question is which one walks the dog Obama or Michelle?

LET”S TAKE A POLL,
My family and I including friends of mine for a total of 47. We will not for Obama. PERIOD!

bettym47,
I agree with you totally. I am glad to see nowadays people don’t go with the party like they used to be. We would vote for the best candidate, not for the party.

how can every body claim that Obama is the nominee. none of the candidates will get the 2025 number to wine the nomination. In my openion, after all states are done voting, we will have abot 100 to 150 delegates difference. at that time, Hillary can easly over take him with Michigan and Florida. I would say go Hillary go, go Hillary go,go Hillary go,go Hillary go, go Hillary go. All the way to the convention

Texas Voter,
No matter how many kisses you blow to Obama, Texas will go for Republican. No chance for Obama here. Hillary can make a different here but not Obama.

MATH AN INCONVENIENT TRUTH:
I do know, and I’m afraid that it’s you that’s wrong. Not that’s it’s any of your business, but my mother has been a super delegate for many moons. Hillary will go to the floor, whether you’re up for it or not.

BO may lose by the widest margin ever in a presidential election. However, I predict the Dems will regain more house and Senate seats and governors mansions that John McCain will wish he never ran cause he will be a lame duck president for four years.

She’s right, this is nowhere near over. It was over a while ago, and we are drifting farther and farther past “over.”

Patti Solis Doyle who is Hillary former campaign manager is about to join Barack Obama. Get real, it is over for Hillary in 2008 unless she wins tomorrow in OR and KY by 99.99%.

Hillary is going to lose the nomination. Furthermore, she will have to come back here to NY and run in 2012 for her Senate seat – unless she decides to give it up to run for President again. You know that’s not going to happen.
If Hillary alienates enough Obama supporters in 2008, it may turn around and backfire on her in 2012. Will Hillary be so sure of her chances in 2012 that she will give up her Senate seat to run for the White House? And can she run an effective Presidential campaign if a strong Democratic challenger comes after her in NY in 2012, especially one backed by Obama supporters?
And that’s assuming Obama loses in 2008. If he wins, her plans are on ice until 2016. Then, she’s running against Obama’s VP who will have eight years experience in the White House. God help Hillary if that VP is Sebelius or Napolitano.
Hillary should retire gracefully and go back to the Senate and become a force in the Senate like Ted Kennedy or Al D’Amato. 2004 was her best chance to take the White House. She could have defeated Bush in 2004. But unfortunately, her time has come and gone.

Hillary said it, I believe it. Amen.

Hillary Clinton cannot even run a simple campaign. She’s squandered $30 million in contributions, and the only thing she has to show for it is a failed campaign. No thinking person can believe she has what it takes to run a country when she cannot even run a successful campaign.

Hillary Clinton failed miserably at reforming health care when she was First Lady. That was her only responsibility while First Lady, and she failed inside of a year. She can’t even manage the $30 million in contributions she’s gotten. Her campaign is a complete failure. She doesn’t even have the ability to beat out a junior Senator from Illinois? We’re 5 months into this campaign and she’s at such a severe delegate deficit that simple mathematics says she has no chance at the nomination. How can she be expected to run an entire country? Give me a break!
Obama has managed his campaign contributions expertly, and has run a well thought out, national campaign. Obama organized votes from all walks of life and all states, instead of just focusing on the three delegate rich states like Clinton did. Her lazy campaign is OVER. Obama ’08.

Warren Buffett, the greatest investor of all time, endorsed Obama today. Thank you Warren! Your wisdom and intellect has shown through again. Obama ’08.

Her health care plan failed? For one that health care plan was done under Ted Kennedy you know greater Obama man. first lady can’t really do much. The ideas and blue prints were hers. the republican senate or house whatever wouldn’t pass it. kind of like how the dem’s have sent Bush Iraq defunding crap that he vetos over and over. The SCHIP bill which Hillary did help pass that insured 15 mil children was up for revote last year and Bush turned that down like 4 times because the dem’s asked for more money…you know rising health care prices and the fact that there are more kids now. I think he finally signed it back into law. ?

I’ve been a Georgia yellow-dog Democrat all my life, but I won’t vote for anybody who revered a racist fanatic such as Rev. Wright. It’s Hillary or McCain. Obama is a lightweight who’s not ready for primetime.

Eric…Hillary didn’t have 5 billionaire liberals “bundling” money into her campaign…..as well as all that money he’s making from his black supporters and college kids, cause they’re loaded.

You people who point out that hillary is winning the staes with the big electoral numbers are missing the point, she is getting democratic votes (vs the general population which include democrats and independants) only in the majority of these states, her argument just isn’t factual, it is indeed irrelevant.

You Hillary supporters who keep saying let the people vote are the ones who want to ignore the people who already have voted. Hillary doesn’t want to count the votes in the caucus states, but she wants the Michigan and Florida votes to count now, but before their primary she signed a document agreeing they wouldn’t count. Obama is not afraid to have the rest of the primary states vote, but Hillary should honor the results and stop trying to steal the election and divide the party. If she really cared about the party she would get behind the nominee and stop trying to damage Obama for her own selfish reasons.

if obama makes the case that he has 2025 delegates and therefore has ‘won’, he has lost.
that number excludes florida and michigan completely. i, for one, would be willing to vote for any democratic nominee if all 50 states are included in the delegate count. that number is 2210.
the passion on the part of hillary supporters is not just that she is the superior candidate and that she has a better chance against mccain…it is the passion against basic unfairness.
i would be willing to overlook the inherent undemocratic nature of caucuses(nebraska caucus had obama up 3-1 and the primary had him winning 51-49) but i cannot, ever, overlook a party deciding a nominee from 48 states.

Hillary Clinton is acting like an
old vaudeville performer who refuses
to get off the stage!
It’s time to give her the Hook!
Bye Bye Hillary and take Bill with you!

Way to go Hillary :).
She is leading in the popular vote. Obama campaign is scared that if they wait until June 3, they will be much behind in the popular votes and then the question we should ask is:
Does the popular vote count more than artificial delegate lead generated by a badly designed caucus system in the republican states?
The answer would be: The popular vote will prevail as none of the candidates will reach the number of pledged delegates.
Hillary rise :)

It isn’t over. Obama will reach no delegate milestone on Tuesday or anytime soon. But how like Obama supporters to just lap it all up without checking the facts! Just like they never check the facts on Obama. The man is NOT new. He does have a history and it is pathetic and deplorable. He says what you want to hear, but if you look at his record, you’ll see he’s fooling you. And his arrogant presumtiousness (which has been there at every primary, by the way) is only going to further alienate Clinton and swing voters further. Hillary is ahead in the popular vote, and her popular lead will continue to grow. If the press and the DNC continue playing this game, and encouraging it, and Obama is falsely handed the nomination in this way, you can be sure the general election will go to McCain.
Obama has NOT won the states he needs to to win the GE. He’ll deserately need every vote – including Florida and Michigan. Which I understand he plans to disenfranchise in the primary then ask them to vote for him in the Fall? What a moron.

I am wondering why if Hillary and her supporters think that caucus votes are illegitimate, why they didn’t speak up before the primaries started. That would have been the time to argue your case. Not after most of them had taken place. That tends to make it look like sore losers. If in fact the only way to count votes is by popular vote and not electoral, then why wasn’t there pressure put on the party years ago to change it? Why just now? If Hillary were in the lead by delegate votes, we would hear nothing but how democratic the system is. And I think that Obama would graciously accept that she was the winner and back her. Why can’t she do the same?

I continue to be surprised that Hillary argues she is electable. The word “more” has nothing to do with it. The youth vote that Obama brings to the table, has not heard of the scandal disaster of the Bill Clinton presidency. The repubs will bring up all of the people who were indicted – more than any other presidency. Look at the pardon list with felons and terrorists – clearly linkable to money for the Clinton library and votes for Hillary. Not electable.

I’m not so much apposed to Obama, or so much for Hilary. I am definitely against McCain and the Republican agenda that will promote prolongation of the war in Iraq, and may well get us into a new war with Iran. I also believe Obama and Hilary are more likely to address Health care and free trade in a way that will benefit the middle class, while McCain is more likely to push an economic agenda that will continue to benefit the wealthy at the expense of the middle class. I am a “Conservative”. I’m not in favor or wealth redistribution from rich to poor. However, when the wealthy can undercut the value of the labors of the middle class worker, by shipping industrial jobs off shore, or by hiring illegal workers we end up with wealth redistribution from the poor to the rich. What we need is economic reforms that will protect the lower and middle class workers (of the world) from exploitation by their employers and the wealthy. I am not a racist either; I believe in Martin Luther Kings “I have a dream speech”. I want a world where a person is not judged (for better or worse) based on the color of their skin (or sex) but rather on the content of their character. As such I see all three of these candidates as people of good “Character”, and as such all three are deserving of our respect. But Character is not everything, “message” and “political philosophy” is very important as well. I “personally” disqualify McCain because he offers the wrong “message” and “political philosophy” for what is wrong in America and the world today. He might have been the right man eight years ago following Bill Clinton, but after eight years of GWB we need a president with a totally different approach to foreign and domestic affairs. I do not fear Obama’s willingness to “talk” to our enemies, but he must be very careful in what he says and offers them as concessions for peace. My greatest fear is that he will offer them a “good deal” in exchange for “Peace” only to have them break the deal at which point he would declare “All out war”. I fear “trusting” those who cannot be “trusted” is more likely to result in war, than simply staring them down. As for Hilary, yes she has “personal negatives”, but so do the other two. Rightly or wrongly Obama is being labeled a “liberal” which puts him at the far left of political “central”. Hilary is being cast as a “Centrist” while McCain is seen as a “liberal-Conservative” which places him just right of center. Obama is in a strong position to wine the liberal dominated Democratic Party nomination. However, the country is predominately “centrist” as is indicated by “Regan Democrats” and “Bill Clinton Republicans”. In other words, the vast majority of the American electorate is neither truly Republican or Democrat or Ultra-Conservative or Ultra Liberal. Looking forward into the general election I see clearly that the Republicans will do all they can to label Obama as an “Ultra-Liberal”. If they succeed, and they probably will, McCain will win. If Obama can establish himself as a “moderate liberal” and champion of “clean politics” then he “might” win, but only if his “black” followers do not cause a backlash in the white population with their “Black on white counter racism”. In other words, the black communities behavior toward whites, will affect the white communities perception of Obama, and as such determine his acceptability as a candidate in the eyes of many white voters. That is another angle the Republicans will try to exploit against Obama. But lets just assume neither Obama nor Clinton get enough “electoral delegates”. Should the nomination process end on the basis of “pledged Super Delegates”? I say absolutely not! The legislative process often requires a president to “persuade” senators and House members to change their “opinions” on a bill prior to casting their votes. That process of “getting the votes” is a very important part of the legislative process and can make the difference between an “ ineffective lame Duck Presidency”, and a “presidency that delivers Change”. In short, while the “pledges” of super-delegates are indicative of a problem for Hilary, it by no means knocks her out of the race. After the last electoral delegates are counted, then Clinton can start the hard “political” work of getting Obama’s “pledged super delegates” to change their pledge to her. Therefore, this race cannot, and should not end, until the super-delegates actually cast their votes in the Democratic national Convention.

Here’s the way I see it: Obama is NOT the best candidate of the 3. It’s that simple. He has not proven anything except that he has no real answers, only that he is for some kind of undefined change. I think that 4 more years of a Republican prez would be better than taking a chance on someone who has not proven he gives a dam for America, who is more likely in truth to hate America. There is more evidence that he hates America than he loves America. I believe that the support for HRC among Americans other than superdelegates is greater than BO’s supporters suspect. It is a VERY close nomination race. I am going to write in HRC, I wish all those who believe in her would do the same instead of voting McCain, to me that is the best solution. It is more about who is the best to lead the country rather than party politics, look where party politics have gotten us – really nowhere. That’s why I do not and have never been affiliated with any party. Those like me are stronger than you think. Dems and Reps – that’s where the divisiveness comes from, not the candidates. No one is breaking your arms to make you be a member of any party, so if you don’t like that BO is being rammed down your throat, resign from the dem party and vote your personal belief. If HRC is the candidate you want, check your local rules and write in her name. I wish there were no political parties, they have obviously not chosen well in terms of who “they” are running. We are allowing the party system to tear the country apart. That’s my opinion. It’s got nothing to do with race, and everything to do with what I believe to be right for America.

If Hillary doesn’t get the nomination I’m voting for McCain.

If Hillary is cheated out of the nomination, then McBush will be the winner by a landslide. I will never vote for an affirmative action nominee !!!!!

I guess Hillary knows how AL Gore feels, cheated. The democrats are going with a loser. Go McCain.

Dear Fellow Democrats. Regardless of who the Democratic nominee will be, WE MUST UNITE. The next president will make very important choices. Obama and Hillary are inches apart; but they are both miles apart from McCain. THE NEXT PRESIDENT COULD APPOINT AS MANY AS THREE SUPREME COURT JUSTICES. These are appointments for LIFE, and they will radically affect us. The Supreme Court is who has given us women rights and who has given Blacks rights (as well as allowing us freedom of choice and basic civil rights). If you do not believe me, find out for yourself what these new appointments will mean to you. Please do not get mad if your candidate does not win. Instead, think. Think about what your vote will mean to you, your children, each other, and the planet. VOTE DEMOCRATIC. We cannot withstand another four years with McBush!

Christina……I’m doing just the opposite. I’m encouraging as many voters as possible to write the DNC to have the votes of Michigan and Florida counted. Letting them now that if they dis-enfranchise over 2 million votes then get prepared for an over flow of defectors leaving the Democratic Party. I voted Democrat in this election, but after seeing how one campaign (an you know who) wants to see the votes thrown out. I’m registering as an Independent. The DNC has taken my vote for granted for the final time.

I am asolutely certain that sensible Americans of every race and shade of colour will not elect a junior senator with no experience to run our country at these troubles times. Most African Americans (except Michelle) cherish and love this country, and are worried about their future… They also know what the Clintons stand for, because they forever defended them and fought for all Americans to have a better life. Hillary Clinton has the vision, the policies and the strength to take us forward. And sensible people know that, and won’t sabotage their own future.

Hillary should take her battle all the way to the convention. Obama is a weak, unproven candidate who is not even particularly knowledgeable, never mind experienced. Hillary Clinton has done nothing wrong by continuing her campaign, she has a right to do so and, apparently, she is paying for it.