Clinton Willing to Take Fight to the Convention

After this statement, it’s the superdelegates duty to pull the plug on her.

She’s just trying to get donors to pay off her debt. She HAS to say that to keep getting donations.

It’s my understanding that she’s taking the issue to the DNC, Democratic National Committee, on May 31.

We already are going to the convention without a nominee. Just because the pundits say it is over does not make it so.
Hillary has every right to take it to the convention, many MEN have done so in the past.
Without her continued fight dems are sure to lose the GE. FL and MI will not go blue for Obama.

Well, if the Super Delegates come into play, and give Obama all the votes he needs, then I guess that pretty much ends on May 31, 2008. We’ll see on May 31, how this shakes out.

Will the Super Delegates please take mommie dearest off of this disaster track. It is about the party not a dellusional person. Why is everyone tiptoeing around making a decision. If the roles were reversed Sen Obama would be toast and the Democratic Nominee would be out campaigning with their running mate.

This is a total travesty of the political process and she should be ashamed of herself. Be honest, if the situation were reversed would Obama even be allowed to continue with this type of self-serving posture? This is just a manipulative strategy to help assuage her already mounting debt. There’s no sense of party loyalty and she’s fully compromised the otherwise decent political legacy of the Clintons ….

If she takes it to the convention, there will not be enough time to heal the party before the general election. I didn’t believe it when people said she is perhaps laying the groundwork for another bid in 2012. But now I’m not so sure.

Obama tries to steal this nomination. Why he rejected the revote or count the delegate? Because he knows he’s going to loose. I don’t think he’s going to win the GE because his action.

It was not Clinton, Obama, or the voters fault in the FL and MI deal. The votes should be counted and the state officials responsible made to pay a STIFF personal fine to the democratic party.

The SD are the only ones that can settle this. The rules meeting on May 31st can drag the process out. I think MI and Florida should count.
I believe if they come out and say determinatively I want Obama. The Democratic candidate will be named then. She can go to the convention all she wants, if the SDs settle it, it is over.

Well this is a transparent attempt to injure Obama so she can try again in 2012. This woman is a hypocrite!
I tell you what, if she isn’t careful, she might not get re-elected in NY and then will have a taller hill to climb for 2012.
If she is seen as hurting the democrats taking the White House, she will be singaled out as the reason!
That type of pr along with her trial in CA for fraud in November will not be good for her legacy and she needs to remember that!

Good. We need a good floor fight, too. This party needs to be shaken up.

Hillary is just so pathetic! I am a woman and I cannot stand this woman’s desperation being mistakened for strenght! We have many heroic women in history, but Hillary is not fit to stand alongside them and she knows this. she will be forgotten just like Geroldine Ferrerro in time and that’s what she can’t stand! It has nothing to do with her championing women causes or breaking glass ceilings. It has to do with her own pathetic ego!

LOM-
Spoken like a true Republican!

All you “Rules” quoters in favor of taking this to the convention should also remember the “Rules” are FL and MI don’t count.
Q.E.D.

Keep fighting Hillary! Hillary is being victimized and everyone’s giving her a hard time because she’s a woman. The media and the democrats didn’t do this to Bill! No, because he was a man. But everyone is flocking to this new-kid-on-the-block Obama. He has no experience, he has so many flaws as a candidate, but hey, he’s a man so he has to get the nomination. Now he wants to ignore Michigan and Florida so he won’t lose. It’s dishonest.

Of course, she didn’t feel strongly about it until she was behind. She forgot to mention that part. Don’t forget to count the caucus votes too Hillary.

It was an obvious error by the DNC to punish all the Dems in MI and FLA because state leaders wanted to shift the primary date. That was a problem that could’ve and should’ve been corrected but OBAMA SENT HIS LAWYERS TO BLOCK FAIR REVOTES. It was obviously more important to him to win the nomination by default than to see the votes of FLA and MI Dems counted!!

Megan, since when did someone with the most money deserve to win?
If that’s your rule of thumb, then you think most republicans should have won in the past.
Funny how all the priorities of democrats have changed with Obama.

Ed Williams, Hillary hasn’t had to stoop to anything.
What she has had to do is fight the Obama loving mainstream media for fair treatment.

Actually it is Obama who thinks he’s entitled to the presidency.
Yes, that’s a fact. He’s even almost said that in speeches and so has Michelle.

To show you how biased the media is towards Obama, last night David Gergen, CNN political analyst seemed so disturbed that this was looking like a “racist” vote in Kentucky that he said Hillary should stand up and announce “If anyone is voting for me because Obama is a black man, then I DON’T WANT YOUR VOTE!!”
Are you freaking kidding me? Hillary doesn’t have to be ashamed of any of her votes, this is America and people can vote for her FOR ANY REASON THEY CHOOSE!!!!

I LOVE THAT WOMAN!!! GO, Hillary, GO! This is just the type of person I want to be my president! A real fighter for what’s RIGHT. I admire her more and more each day.

Jo-
When did i say those with the most money deserve to win…I never said that idiot, so quit spinning.
What I said is that I find pathetic that Hillary will trump the gender card exploit women and get them to give to her campaign when she knows damn well it’s over! and she’s doing this so that we as women will pay down her debt!
That’s what I find pathetic about this Hillary Clinton. Maybe she should go back to that firm that gave her $100,000 for her campaign early this year…you know the firm that has all the male employers sexually harrassing their female employees…which hillary doesn’t seem to mind since those men gave her money!
WOMEN need to smarten up about this Hillary CLinton woman. She’s not a champion for us!
HOW ABOUT THAT JO! How do you feel when Hillary can take money from scum that sexually harrass women and yet you are STILL willing to support her!
Answer that!

Jo, you have a new fan. I find the stunningly unqualified Obama, and his cult members, very very creepy.

Trisha, Trisha, Trisha, I feel soo sorry for you. Is it okay for Obama to have an ego and don’t try to say he has none. Maybe you’ll get lucky and meet a nice macho man who will subjugate your interests to his, keep you barefoot and pregnant, divorce you for a much younger woman . . . you fill in the rest. Oh I know, maybe you could be a nurse or a stewardess.

To jdona:
You don’t think the inverse of your argument is true as well? That a slightly greater amount of Obama supporters would not feel the same way as you?
I feel for you, I really do, but Obama has won by the rules, not by some arbitrary new metric.
Democratic 08′

SO DNC IS READY TO LET DEMOCRACY LIVE IN 48 STATES ONLY. FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN ARE NOT PART OF OUR DEMOCRACY AND THEY CAN JUST WATCH HELPLESSLY WITHOUT ANY SAY TO ELECT THEIR NEXT LEADER.
IF AMERICA HAS ONY 48 STATES, DNC IS RIGHT BUT HELLO, WE HAVE 50 STATES, TWO OF THEM NAMED FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN

There’s no way Hillary can win this nomination unless the primaries are rigged in her favor by superdelegates.
You cannot change the rules after the votes have been cast. Some people did not vote in Florida and Michigan because they were told the votes would not count. Even Hillary acknowleged that before the primaries started. There’s no doubt the outcome in Florida and Michigan would have been different if all the contenstants had been allowed to campaign in those states… Maybe John Edwards would still be in
the hunt.
Democrats will never win the White House in our lifetime if they rig the primaries for Hillary.

Joanna Estes-
Don’t insult the Obama supporters because you’re bitter.

I’m tired of bothe Hilary, and Barack. It’s McCain for me.

Ge:
I am not bitter. The fact is, I am tickled pink he’s the nominee.
I want John McCain as my President, and it is now assured.
Joanne

Ge:
I want health care, too…but not at the expense of losing doctors and telling them they spent years of study (not to mention thousands of dollars) for a pittance. My friend–who shares your beliefs–married a Canadian and had her first taste of Canadian health care. She’s changing her vote. She saw socialism up close and personal and it scared her to death.

I HOPE HILLARY GOES TO FLORIDA FOR A FIGHT. I’M A WHITE WOMEN, REPUBLICAN AND FLORIDA RESISDENT AND I’M VOTING FOR OBAMA. SHE ONLY WANTS THE GLORY AND COULD CARE LESS ABOUT US. BESIDES SHE IN THE HOLE 6 MILLION DOLLARS FOR HER RUN. SHE NEEDS US TO PAY HER BACK.

This woman likens this fihht to the Civil Rights Movement?
What the hell is this about? Fl and MI disenfranchised themselves. There was no movement by the general public to surpress their input, there was no Fl and MI only drinking fountains, restrooms, no law saying they had to ride the back of the bus.
She was partial to the punshiment of the DNC, she disenfranshised them, now she claims to be the savior? The good master who releases her subject?
She is full of BS.

How is the DNC ramming Obama down your throat?
People voted for him, and in the system that is established, he is ahead on all counts. Her count of the popular vote leaves out the caucus states that Obama won. So she does not count everyvote after all.

i an a dem.. i am over 50.. i also believe that rules should be followed, BUT..
rules that cause the loss of basic rights must be reviewed and altered, and when any one places himself to disallow such justifiable action loses my respect.
oh, and one other thing. reading this makes me think i’ll be seeing some of you out on the streets making fools of yourselves before it’s over

Michigan doesnt count because there are 10 million people there and if it were first, the only people who would ever be president would be super-rich, brand names. Clinton’s entire cadre signed off that NH is first and approved the wording, “So the election cannot be bought”.
NH is first because it is smaller than many counties and has fewer people than many counties, so any person reading this can run for president there if they want to take the trouble to do it in the winter in New England.
The speeches about counting the disenfranchised, she and McAuliffe are giving, are crocodile tears, we know, after she was interviewed by National Public radio in NH while she campaigned there, and Clinton said, that MICH shall not count.
Florida is a weird case. Republicans moved the date against the will of the Dems there. But since then, the DEM congresspeople failed to approve a sensible plan to use mail in ballots, the same as Oregon. They claimed it would be hard to tell if people got their ballots. Really?
In the rest of the USA, the USPS can require a signature to deliver a mail piece. It seems to work fine in Oregon.

It cerainly is sad that the corrupt Obama believes that he is entitled to be the President by any means possible. That is how he was a state senator in the first place, he eliminated his opponents by corrupt means and so had no competition. Such a flake and a fraud.
Senator Clinton is a far more honest candidate all the way around.

Obama believes he’s entitled to the nomination Mary? LOL…..I think you mean Clinton when talking of entitlement. There’s no other way to explain her complete lack of strategy after Super Tuesday.

For all of those HRC supporters screaming disenfranchisement, think about this: Wouldn’t counting votes in an election when everyone was told they wouldn’t count disenfranchise those that stayed home because they knew their votes wouldn’t count? Some people are going to be disenfrancised in any case, let’s just play by the rules.

We don’t like his new party, it doesn’t represent us, and we will defeat Obama any way and every way that we can.
Posted by: jdona
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So then where will you people go? The AARP Party? The Senior’s Party? I have to ask, because the part you so desperately cling to has only one chance of survival, and that is adapt or die! Like all things in the world, you can’t isolate yourself from change anymore than man can control the sunrise. So best be packing now, for change is coming, and you can either be on the side of the future, or you can find yourself increasingly unrepresented, and without a voice. As for your actions against Obama, go ahead. Do your best. Necessary and reciprocal action will be taken against Hillary, the Clinton Legacy, everything. Together, we’ll destroy the democrat party, and you and her followers can go off to retirement ville happy in the though that you taught those young whipper-snappers a thing or two! Meanwhile, we’ll be cutting back on social security and all those other nice benefits old people like so that the debt you boomer’s have created is paid by the generation responsible. Sounds good, right? Is this the type of mindset you so desperately seek? Retaliation? Revenge? Well guess what, it works both ways.

Is this what she means by experience of lifetime? experience to know how to twitch the system? experience to know how to backstab the democracy? experience to know how to solicit uneducated and less privileged? experience to use anything for her own gain? experience to know how to divide and burn? experience to know how to sabotage American people who spoke their minds through the rule everyone agreed?
If this is her campaign, I don’t want to see her ever in WH as a cabinet member nor vp because on day one you will see much greater roller coater falling than it is now.

It is enjoyable to watch the punditry explode watching their chosen one getting crushed, after all, THEY have declared HIM the winner. LOL.
Hillary Clinton must remain in this race through the DNC convention in August where she will prevail because she’s the most qualified and most electable candidate in the race.
Last night, Hillary received more than 200,000 MORE votes than Obama. Wow. Obama is in big trouble, he’s losing support in every voting group, the Dems would be foolish to nominate him, he’s unqualified and unelectable.
The fact is the delegates are not really “pledged” to anyone, they can vote however they wish. That’s why this race will NOT be decided until the DNC convention in August.
The corporate owned media will NOT decide this race, the people will! Hillary has won the popular vote. Hillary has already proven she’s the strongest candidate by winning big in all of the big must win states for the Dems in November. Obama has won exactly NONE of these states and would not win them in a general election in November.
Rock on Hillary! You are on a roll!
Hillary Clinton deserves respect and we intend to give it to her. She’s earned it with a lifetime of public service.
The Democratic party has failed women who have been the majority voting block of the party for decades. Women have been under the false illusion that the Democratic party stood for women’s rights. They have failed to denounce the rampant sexism, classism, racism and voter disenfranchisement that Obama, his campaign and supporters and the media 24/7 have continually interjected into this campaign. Not ONCE has the Demcratic party denounced it. Not once. It is unacceptable and we will not forget. Women want Hillary and if they Dems fail to nominate Hillary, the finest candidate they have had in decades, we will bolt in protest and vote for McCain. Paybacks are hell but necessary.
This a fight for the heart and soul of the Democratic party. The old, liberal elite losers are trying to power grab using Obama, it won’t work. They don’t win general elections. The Clintons win because they are centrists.

Ed Williams 7:00:28. When are people like you going to admit out loud that Republican lobbyists raised $100 Million for Obama in 2007? When are you going to admit Republicans did this to try and “knock off” Hillary Clinton? They also knew Nancy Pelosi despises Bill Clinton and was not about to hand any power over to rival Hillary Clinton. In case you haven’t noticed, Pelosi pretty much does what she wants. The rest of the “leaders” failed in their try for president. This part is about jealousy. It was real convenient to blame the Clintons. I mean, after all, with all the baggage-Hillary would still be elected after they all failed? So by pitting two historical candidates against each other for selfish reasons, they screwed themselves big time. The DNC caused the big division and now they have to live with it. Older Women like me who a long time ago had to live with the kind of trash that’s been thrown at Hillary, will never, never, never vote for Obama because that’s what we are TOLD to do.

Hillary has become evil, very evil for the party and shewill bring it down and really we mean it. She knows that the Fl+MI delegates count is not on her favor, but she is making it an issue which she has created with her friends. That is a real shame.

The Democrats cannot have a legitimate nominee with 48 states. It’s ludicrous. The Dems cannot win without Michigan and Florida in November. Hillary can win those states and Obama can’t. That’s why Obama is for voter disenfranchisment of voters in Michigan and Florida. It’s repulsive. The Democratic party cannot be complicit in disenfranchising voters.
Howard Dean is incompetent and should resign. Donna Brazille is the one who insisted that Florida and Michigan be stripped of all their votes. Brilliant. She should resign from the DNC Rules Committee. Her recent comments about “not needing the old Dem coalitions” will come back to bite her and the DNC. She should apologize. You don’t insult the voters you need. Some Dems just don’t get it. The Clintons do, they always have. That’s why Hillary has won all of the big, electoral rich states that the Dems must in November and Obama has won exactly NONE of these states. Obama is unelectable.
Rock on Hillary! Fight this thing through the DNC convention where you will prevail. Florida will decide YOU are the victor! I LOVE the sunshine state!

If Hillary doesn’t watch out, the Clinton legacy will be tarnished. She is on thin ice here. I can’t believe she would do this. She wants to win at any cost, how sad. People, it’s not about us, it’s all about her winning.

larry:
So if we question his ethics and antics and background and decide we will NOT vote for Obama you will threaten us?
“So best be packing now, for change is coming, and you can either be on the side of the future, or you can find yourself increasingly unrepresented, and without a voice.”
“As for your actions against Obama, go ahead. Do your best. Necessary and reciprocal action will be taken against Hillary, the Clinton Legacy, everything. ”
I’M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THIS UP!
The media has already created a blackout on news and publicity favoring Hillary Clinton, a candidate in the same travesty of an election your bud BO is running.
Instead, we are immersed by the media in a vat of newsfat so deep and slippery with his his latest predictions and his longest farts…
with nowhere to turn to for N E W S!
This is acceptable to you?
This is the Democratic Party of Tomorrow?
This is your view of Democracy?
Threats and news blackouts?
I’ll stick with Hillary, thank you.
See you at the convention!
GIVE ‘EM HELL, HILLARY!!!

Why don’t find a way of redoing the voting in Florida and Michigan? instead of just letting it the way it is. They will regret it if they go about by partisanship instead of the reality of the vote set by voters.

Why don’t find a way of redoing the voting in Florida and Michigan? instead of just letting it the way it is. They will regret it if they go about by partisanship instead of the reality of the vote set by voters.
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The states cannot afford to pay for a revote. The DNC didn’t to pay for, they wanted to save their money for the GE.
HRC proposed a revote paid for by all her fat cat campaign donors.
A privately funded election?
Thanks, but no thanks.

QUESTIONER wrote:
BO CHOSE to take his name off the Michigan ballot…. and hired tons of phoners to spread the word to write in “UNCOMMITTED” because he didn’t think he’d win there then.
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Not true, this is from the VOTERS GUIDE to the MI Jan. 15 Primary, put out by the DNC and the MI Sec. of State:
9. Supporters of Joe Biden, John Edwards, Barack Obama and Bill Richardson are urged
to vote “uncommitted” instead of writing in their candidates’ names because write-in
votes for those candidates will not be counted under state law.
Paid for by the Michigan Democratic State Central Committee, 606 Townsend, Lansing, MI
48933, 517-371-5410 and not authorized by any candidate or candidate committee.
12/12/07
Stop quoting BS facts!!!!!!!

MI VOTER, the following excerpts are from the Detroit News, dated Jan 10, 2008:
“U.S. Sen. Carl Levin and state Democratic Party Chair Mark Brewer said Michigan Dems can still have an indirect say in the nominating process if they check the ‘uncommitted’ box on the ballot. State law prohibits write-ins for candidates who have not authorized write-in campaigns; Obama, Edwards and Richardson have not.
“If ‘uncommitted’ draws at least 15 percent of the vote in a congressional district, delegates not bound to any candidate could be sent to the national convention, possibly enabling Obama and Edwards supporters to play a role in the nomination.
“‘You can’t afford not to vote in Michigan,’ Levin said. ‘It’s critically important to vote to have impact on the delegates going to (the national party convention).’
“Michigan campaign teams for Obama and Edwards are actively urging their supporters to vote ‘uncommitted,’ Brewer said.”
The article also mentioned:
“A newly formed group called Detroiters for Uncommitted Voters has launched a phone and door-to-door campaign to get people backing the missing candidates to vote ‘uncommitted.’”
So the MI Democratic Party Chair said that the Obama and Edwards campaigns were “actively urging” their respective supporters to vote “uncommitted.” That sounds like they were both campaigning in MI. And while another group was conducting a phone and door-to-door campaign to get people to vote “uncommitted,” there is nothing to indicate that either the Obama or Edwards campaigns were specifically involved in the phone and door-to-door effort. But one can easily, rightly or wrongly, infer that “actively urging” might include phone and door-to-door campaigning.

Michigan and Florida will be counted the way they should.
In every state they took their turn and watched their numbers as they met the candidates. In almost every single state the numbers were similar to Florida and Michigan before the candidates campaigned and they met them…you know when Hillary led with 20-30 point margins based on her being the woman that was their first lady for 8 ( some say 15 years)… but once the candidates actually went to those states and people saw them speaking up close and personal…and they actually got to hear there policies and stances on how this country should be run… voters ran significantly in the direction toward Obama.
The numbers don’t lie…HUGE changes in the vote statistics between before they met the candidates and after…
Why should all the states be subjegated to an uneducated vote (because obviously the numbers don’t lie) by two states who did not follow the rules that terry McAuliffe, Rendell, Ickes, and much of the Clinton campaign team had come up with…
The votes will be cut in half. That way they count but the rest of the country that voted is not hurt by the lack of meeting the actual candidates (besides their first lady) before they made some name recognition contest.
but isn’t it funny …Hillary Clinton wants an election to count where her name was the only one on the ballot toward a popular vote… one that she said and helped to decide (because no one had more input and influence on the structure of this campaign than the Hillary team and Hillary herself)…
It is vomit inducing that she fights only when it effects her…and not when it mattered to the voters.
Politics at it’s worst.

You go
MI will be harder the Florida, because BHO did campaign in Florida.
But also rumor has it the BHO sent out info in MI telling people to vote uncommitted and the votes will go to him!!
if so then he was on the ballot indirectly!!

On May 31 is the DNC going to give Obama Michigan delegates that he did not earn?

I think you’re wrong Spock. The DNC sent out notices (not Obama) that candiates names not on the ballot would not be voted and to register a vote, they should vote as uncommitteed. Instructing folks how to submit a vote and campainging for a coandiate are two very different things. Remember, there were many Candidates in january.. An uncommitted vote could be for any of them. Obama was just following the rules.

JEWS IN FLORIDA….DON’T BUY OBAMA’S SPEECH TODAY TO COURT YOUR VOTES. He wants to talk with leaders of Iran, please. Rev. Wright hates Jews….and Obama is Agnostic, not Christian. Hopefully they don’t fall for his bs.

Stripping voters of their votes is what will end the democratic party! Our constitution guarantees each of us the right to vote. Do people understand that republicans as well as democrats in these states voted to move the primary dates? REPUBLICANS!! This is not just an issue of and about dems. This is outright manipulation of an election which is a felony. I say every person who is not counted should file a lawsuit against the appropriate politicians. Class Action! Nixon and watergate, hanging chads, now states eliminated. What is being allowed?

Hillary won WVA BIG and KY BIG
and she won very very convincingly in Ohio and in Pa
despite being outspent 3/4 to 1and out grass rooted in these major states
more importantly ..O man is certain to lose WVA and KY and big demographics in Ohio …and pa
and along w/ the states he is trailing McCain in the south..including his own favorite demographic heavy states like SC and GA
o man while a historic figure is not
yet ready for prime time..to win this nation and/or the white house
he ought to have been patient in politics and actually WORKED for it in the US Senate
he’s too premature …on the trigger
and he would have made a great senator and even a great VP
while he may be a great ideal and a great symbol of progress in the dem nomniation..
he will be another big time name w/ a loss behind him..if the remaining pols and superdelegates go for him…
and put him up against the m man…
its a mistake…and everyone knows
HIllary is the more experienced and more intelligent and much more capable to appeal to the needed demographics in states like Ohio …across every demographic except AA in Ohio…
its just that simple…and if you think this about racial politics
its isn’t…its just the truth and the facts of what happened in Ohio and in other significant states like Florida, Tx, WVA and Pa
despite ALL the AAs and most of the students voting for O man
Hillary still convincingly won Ohio and Pa and simply crushed him in the other midwestern states…
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why would we consider anyone else?
she won NY NJ CALI AND FLORIDA AND
TENN AND ARK AND NEVADA AND NMEXICO AND THOSE KEY DEM SWING STATES THAT MATTER
WO IDAHO AND UTAH WILL NEVER BRING THD KIND OF ELECTORIAL WEIGHT THAT THESE DO FOR THE DEM NOMINEE this fall
and why don’t we want to make sure we win this white house in teh fall
o man made a great symbolic run and did a great campaign…
now its time for real serious politics to get busy and win this thing for the fall
and Hillary is the serious and best contender to do this…just looking at the ONLY MATH THAT MATTERS
and that is the electorial college math and the big swing state math

Yes, Yes, Yes! That’s our girl! We are right behind you all the way and our resolve is a snowballing force Hillary. Don’t let them take it FROM US!

Oh brother with the Obama supporters; “travesty” oh right that people are wanting to be heard in this so called election. Give me a break. “The SD’s need to stop her.” “She is ruining her legacy” from a bunch of hyennas who were willing to rip her to shreds so their guy can win. Wow you all think way too much of yourselves as the “elite educated” group. People want their voices and choices heard in a Democracy for the Democratic Primary. You’re not the landowning Founding Fathers with the only right to vote, times have changed….

Democratic Party Rules: Florida and Michigan votes can’t count because they broke the rules by moving up their primary election date.
Democratic Party Rules: Delegates needed to become the nominee = 2026
Democratic Party Rules: Super delegates votes don’t count until the convention.
Oh wait, we can change those rules if it benefits Obama. Obama also broke the rules by running a television ad in Florida.