Clinton Wins Ky; Obama Wins Oregon: What’s Next?

Any other Democratic candidate would resign but not Hillary. There is nothing to be gained by proclaiming dumb uneducated white voters will not vote for a black candidate.

People, please, please, let’s reserve such feelings for the real problem, that being McBush, or Bush the Third. He is the one we absolutely must beat in the fall and tearing each other up at this point will only help him win.

Hillary – the Democratic candidate who got the most popular votes (from Republicans) of all Dems who ever ran for candidacy. Huzzah for Hil.

The democratic primary continues because in fact despite the mathematics and dogma, the “people” in all our great states have not yet spoken. It would have been easy for Hillary Clinton to roll over for McCain and Obama and allow the peeing contest to begin, however she’s been listening to the voters and their personal problems with this country and the current administration. Hillary Clinton has awakened a lot of us about how crooked the elections really are and what fuels her gas tank to drive to the very end of this process, has been just pure bravery. I must add also that the ballots for the delegates decision on June 3rd are “secret ballots” which gives them the chance to vote for who they truly think can defeat the republican party in November.
I continue to support Hillary all the way! Denise from Philly

Message to Mrs. Clinton
I apologize in advance if this is going to make Obama supporters angry and tear apart wisdoms of political pundits in America. Mrs. Clinton, your strong showing in West Virginia and Kentucky, and in large states like NY, OH, and PA means that millions of Americans will like to see you as the President. Please be there on the ballot in November 2008 – either as a democrat nominee or as an independent.
It is OK if many do not like you. In a three-way race, Obama, McCain and you, one does not need majority. Any candidate with 35-40% will get elected. And it will not be necessarily McCain, as most will think. Joe Lieberman won when he ran independent in spite of losing democratic primary. Party designations are only a tool to be on the ballot. People vote for the candidates. It is not uncommon in many countries to see candidates changing parties or forming new ones when there is popular support. Please do not worry about things like Clinton legacy and so on. That is mostly irrelevant. On behalf of millions of your supporters, I urge you to serve our country by running as independent. Let American people (and not some political pundits/ opinionated columnists) decide in November.
WSJ blog, thank you for the opportunity.

Clinton’s campaign is $30 Million in the hole. Only 11 Million of that is to Hillary herself. Hillary is willing to step on the backs of small business for an astronomically small chance that she will be the next president. I think that people to whom she owes money should go after her personal assets, rather than have her hide behind the corporate veil.

Over 17million voters have cast support for Hillary….a MAJOR feat considering ALL of the hills she has had to climb. I know I will be attacked by Obama supporters, but I really don’t care. I, like them, have EVERY right to support Mrs. Clinton because she IS the best candidate to run the country. Hillary 08!

Today’s math questions: Which candidate is leading Sen. Clinton by 26% among Democrats nationwide? Which candidate is leading Sen. McCain (with or without all Clinton voters) by 8%? Which candidate has as of this morning $31 million in debt?

Hillary lost me when I started keeping track of the candidates stated stances on issues. I noted that she’s been on every side of most issues, with her latest position focused on whomever she my be addressing. She ran a very poor campaign, supported then dumped various rules/positions/constituents etc, mismanaged her money and her initial lead. Now she’s playing the racism and sexism card. Carl Rove has nothing on her. She felt anointed and is desperately seeking a magic bullet to use against Obama, regardless of who she may hurt when she shoots it. I have lost all respect for her because she is showing that she only really cares about her own ambitions. Good Riddance

Senator Obama will be the nominee because most of the media love him and have not scrutinized him carefully. But wait until November. If the very junior senator from Illinois cannot carry Democrats and independents in Pennsylvania, W. Virginia, Kentucky, etc. even though he has been declared the victor by party leaders and the media, then his campaign is in trouble.

How does the Democratic Party select its nominee? The same way it always has i.e. Delegates. This year the magic number 2026. What rules were in place and agreed to by all candidates when this process started?
So whatever they(agreed upon rules) were, those are the rules this year, SO 2026 DELEGATES ARE THE ONLY METRIC. You can’t change the rules while the game is being played unless you’re a cheat

If all those Democrats who claim that Obama is unelectable voted for him, he’d be elected.

Ellie,
It’s not NAFTA that has cut jobs in the Michigan auto industry. It’s automation and construction of new auto plants in the southern states of the U.S. Our trade deficit with Canada and Mexico is because we import so much oil and natural gas from them, not cars.

EXCELLENT POST, Yavo Lem !

David,
Yes, the TV networks and newspapers are owned by wealthy people. But many of the media outlets are staffed by journalists and broadcasters with liberal views. The NY Times is a good example of that. And the Wall Street Journal has moved towards the political center since Rupert Murdoch bought the paper. He’s conservative but he also wants to seel more copies of the WSJ. Of the major media, only Fox News has looked critically at Senator Obama. That’s why the GOP has an opportunity to expose his past and his beliefs during the fall campaign.

Can anyone tell me who is really in charge of the Democrat party? I know it can’t be Dean, Pelosi, or Reid. Thanks!

Hillary has only herself to blame for losing. And yes she has lost. Spin it how you may. She ran a poor campaign which is an indicator of how she would run this country.

David for texas,
Are REALLY supposed to believe that a little known (except to my teenagers) rock band could ever gather a crowd of 72,000?? That is more than the Rolling Stones or U2? Why did they all stay then? A screeching leader singer and sunshine can’t convince 72,000 to stick around.

Mack too little too late! Besides obama has mt and sd wrapped up!

This is not about race or sex. It’s about who America believes is the most qualified person. Hillary has tried to use every card in the deck and has been behind virtually from the first primary. MI and FL can not and should not count. Obama was not even on the ballot in MI. How in anyone’s world could that count? We don’t trust Hillary because she is using the same old spin tactics with numbers that’s been used in Washington forever. Its time for honesty in Washington. She simply is not honest and America knows it. And by the way, I am “white” and make less than 50k a year and without a degree. Obama’s supporters are not all black the vast majority are white, “working class” AND the educated. Obama’s supporters cross ALL lines and THAT is why he’s winning.

If Florida and Michigan are not counted, this will infuriate Clinton supporters and cause an even larger divide in the Democratic Party. In order for the Democrats to even have a pretense of “unity”, Florida and Michigan will have to be counted, or you will see millions of Clinton supporters crossing over to McCain (even though they don’t like him), but this will keep Obama from winning the GE.

Don’t forget, Hillary Supporters, to check out your local voting rules on writing in candidates on the ballot in the general election – and WRITE IN HILLARY CLINTON FOR POTUS. You DON’T have to take this nonsense from the democrat party nor the media suck-ups. OBAMANATION is an Abomination – I am so happy to see the groundswell for Hillary! So don’t forget about the option to write in your favorite candidate on the ballot in the general election – HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON! She cares about you, the voters.

The Democratic party has been fractured beyond repair(for this election anyway).
The moderate Democrats are rejecting the radical left wing candidate that the media and the DNC have propped up for your viewing pleasure.

Bush, Clinton, Bush…Clinton again? You gotta’ be kidding me! George Washington and Thomas Jefferson are probably rolling over in their graves over that foolishness!

It is Hillary’s job to unite her supporters behind Obama. If he does not win the GE it will be because of the unnecessary prolonged process due to Hillary’s unwillingness to admit she lost and due to her campaign tactics. The math was close to impossible for her months ago and she decided to attempt to destroy Obama instead of unite the party for the betterment of America. This was a very poor decision on her part that is only another indication of her decision making process. Had she not gone down the path of destruction she may have maintained credibility and most likely would have been a strong candidate for VP. I would have voted for the “dream ticket” however now I don’t know if I can vote for her on any ticket. She considers Hillary’s wants and only what Hillary wants which could be difficult for Obama to work with in the White House. Obama will not let the VP control his decisions like Bush has let Cheney.

Why we don’t vote for hillary:
1.Shes a lair
2She has no experiance but her husband does
3. She wants to obliterate a whole culture
4. Her heath care plan is BS
5. More of the same politics
6. Some of us belive she only cares about herself and her quest for power
7. She used to defend radicals
8. Shes two faced
9. Likes to take money from shady people too
10. She is a true elitist by every definition of the word
See i got a list too.

My God!
There is so much hate and misery in all
these people

Sen. Clinton has handled herself with grace and class without being condescening to voters. She has proven both how tough and how intelligent she is. I also urge her to run as an independent. Otherwise I will vote for a Republican (gag!) for the first time in my life. If the DNC blunders and nominates this far-left, theory-only, bitter candidate, I will consider myself a newly minted Independent. And what the heck is Obama doing in Florida? He didn’t want to count our votes in January, but he does in Nov…? Dude, you already lost Florida!

hillary is bad for the democratic party – and bad for woman. just because she “works hard” doesn’t mean she is entitled to the office of the presidency of the united states – as it seems is her only arguemnet. there is a democratic process – to which she is a part of. and she is not the choice of that process.
and even more imortantly, just because hillary clinton does not achieve her goal after “working hard” is not proof that the process is sexist or corrupt – as she wants you to believe. this is classic clinton – if you lose – someone must be cheating or unenlightened (classic democratic logic).
don’t forget – this is the same women who called the lewinsky scandel a “right wing conspiracy.”
now that she is not going to be the apparent democratic candidate – so she reaches into her bag of tricks and pulls out a new conspiracy theory – this time it is due to a male conspiracy.
so – she has now accused all republicans, and all males, and all blacks of being part of the conspiracy against her. it seems that in time – if you aren’t on that list – you will be – at least by past performance.
hillary – you need to go because america is tired of your logic and your baseless prejudiced point of view.
america does not want a president who when the chips are down, and the facts are not in their favor, blames everyone around them – instead of listening and dealing with those facts – and leading. crying (literally) and complaining about losing and making false allegations to cover up your short comings of achieving your personal goal is not appealing – and especially not appealing for the presidential of the united states. and that is why in the end you are not the candidate.
maybe the process is not sexist, or corrupt, or racist – maybe – just maybe it is fair – and you are wrong. and you lost fair and square. too much for you to consider – i know. you are tired. go home and cry and think of someone else to blame.
goodbye hillary.

No way McCain will win. Hillary supporters may vote for him but republicans will cross party lines to vote for the dem. Most of this country is sick and tired of the republicans being in charge.

FlaDemVoter …..Obama in Florida…its called “sucking up” for votes….LOL ! Good post….remind ALL the Floridians that this guy is still the one who wanted to count them out in the primaries….he doesn’t deserve your vote…..I like your idea of Hillary as an Independent…….if she’s not, here’s another vote for McCain!

Why would we unite behind someone that we don’t support. For the good of the party? What about the good of the majority of Americans, not just the radical left wing. Give me a break.

J-Smithson08……Excellent Point!
If the GOP slime machines decided to release their attacks before the August convention, it will be Bye Bye Obama and Hillary will be the nominee. Keep this message in mind so that you will not be surprised when that time come.

Lisa what have you been smoking, the republicans are going to cross over and vote for Obama?? I have not met one period, but I have met a lot of dems who are going to vote McCain.

Republicans for Obama? As real as unicorns.

I find it quite sad to see so many people trying to hold on to the past. My heart goes out to you. The reality is that this is America in 2008. And there is no stopping the inevitable, no matter how hard you try. Perhaps you can gain some comfort by knowing that I do, indeed, feel your pain.
Sad…so sad.
Truth, justice and the American way.

Yes, Billy Bob. I actually know quite a few. They can’t stand McCain, most wanted Romney. And now that McCain is talking about global warming, they are furious. They would rather a dem win and then have another republican run in 2012. All you have to do is listen.

I am delighted to see all these people on this message board so upset about the fact that America is about to elect the first “African-American” president in our history. I find endless joy in their futile attempt to stop history. I LOVE IT!
If you have a problem with it, go back to the country of your ancestors. THIS IS AMERICA! Love it or leave it!

Thank you Howard Dean and the DNC for a very entertaining primary!

BILLY BOB: WHERE TO I SIGN UP TO FIRE REID, PELOSI AND THE REST OF THE WASHINGTON INSIDERS WHO ARE STEALING THIS ELECTION FROM HILLARY.

Lisa, you are living in a dream world, the far right people dont care for McCain, but they sure are not going to vote for Obama.

csquan,
“A lot of my friends outside the US”?…What? Man, this is America!!!
“friends outside the US” should tend to issues inside their own country! We are Americans over here.
God Bless America!

There are a lot of people on this board who seem to have problems with some of the presidential candidates.
Regardless of who wins, if you still have a problem in November, I suggest you seriously consider packing your stuff and going back to where your ancestors immigrated from. You may not have noticed but clearly THIS IS AMERICA. Perhaps you should consider loving it or leaving it.
And once again, don’t let the door hit you on your way out.

Don’t forget, Hillary Supporters, to check out your local voting rules on writing in candidates on the ballot in the general election – and WRITE IN HILLARY CLINTON FOR POTUS. You DON’T have to take this nonsense from the democrat party nor the media suck-ups. OBAMANATION is an Abomination – I am so happy to see the groundswell for Hillary! So don’t forget about the option to write in your favorite candidate on the ballot in the general election – HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON! She cares about you, the voters.

Really? Wrote:
‘m voting for Universal Health Care, which I believe is a basic human right.
I’m voting for the rich to pay their fair share and stop living off the middle class and the poor.
I’m voting to have Corporations in this country keep American jobs in AMERICA and not be rewarded for shipping our jobs overseas.
We live in MI, my husband works in the auto industry, I cannot tell you in strong enough terms what NAFTA has done to my state and our jobs.
Ellie, I am not againt HRC, not in the least bit. I am for a quality of life that can be sustained for all Americans.
My 2 cents:
1. Mrs. Clinton’s plan is I think closer to being “universal” that Mr. Obama’s plan
2. NAFTA is not responsible for MI’s trouble. I was born and raised there so I am qualified to speak on the situation: Michigan has bled jobs for DECADES, not just since NAFTA. Why could that be?
A business-unfriendly atmosphere (Are you aware of the Japanese company factories across the border in Indiana?)
Technological innovation making human labor obsolete.
If your husband can’t find work then re-train or move. I did, so have lots of other people.
3. What, in your mind, is “fair” share? Do you think tax legislation uses phrases like this? NO. Put a number on it.
4. As for jobs going overseas. Companies aren’t doing anything that consumers don’t do when they go out and buy something: They look for the place that stretches their dollar the farthest.
How do we prevent companies from leaving? Pass a law prohibiting them from doing so? Well, my answer: They can just close up shop and re-open somewhere else and choose NOT to do business here.
Then do we pass a law preventing them from closing up shop? What happens when that business can no longer pay the price of doing business? How will workers get paid?
I suggest you and others with similar ideologies go and read an economics book. You might actually learn how the world REALLY works.

She’s not qualified because she ran a lousy campaign. That’s an indicator of how she would run this country.

Looking at these postings, its obvious some are written by republicans. Isn’t it amazing that republicans would have such interest in a democratic discussion?

Yep, tea with a ballistic missile attached to the end of the cup.

Are you guys serious on this site! Man, it sounds like most of you have some deep rooted emotional problems. People please wake up and take a serious look in the mirror of who you want for a president but not based off of some preconceived ideas that’s being reinforced by these candidates, the media, or family members.
The rules are clear and concise, so quit attempting to change things for the benefit of your candidates.

I don’t see any missiles in Cuba aimed at the US now…thanks to Kennedy talking with Nikita Khrushchev. Thank you, John Kennedy, God rest your soul. You had the judgement and wisdom to engage your enemies. And thank you, Nixon and Reagan too. We are a safer country because of you.
God Bless America.

Why in the world would you listen to Rove. That man should be in jail.

Obama expanded his lead over Clinton in the Democratic race to 26 percentage points, doubling his advantage from mid-April….. See most of you on this blog are on your own not the majority anyway

Obama is leading McCain by over 8 points, and leading Clinton by over 26 points, in the latest Zogby poll. Not only will Obama be the nominee, but he will handily beat McCain in November. The country has spoken, and we want a leader with some common sense and a plan. That leader is Barack Obama. OBAMA ’08.

What have we learned from this year’s primary races?
1. It’s not necessarily a good thing to fight to be first on the ballot. Even without the whole MI/FL question, some of those early states who were hardly noticed would have played a much bigger role in early June — California, for example, which would likely be favoring Obama if the vote were today.
2. DON’T take your name off the ballot anywhere, especially if you’re running against a Clinton!
3. Don’t run your campaign assuming you are going to take the nomination by Super Tuesday. The big money you spend early on is going to come back to bite you as the campaign drags on into May and June and you find yourself deeply in debt.
4. Find a campaign message and stick to it. If your campaign can’t find its voice, it won’t get the votes!
5. If you have people around you who might be campaign liabilities, deal with them early on. Don’t wait for them to hit You-Tube or Faux News.
Obama 2008 — Yes, WE CAN!!!

Noneoftheabove08:
So, concerning the outsourcing of jobs in the U.S., what do you propose to do? Nothing? Do you realize that the types of jobs being outsourced now are no longer confined to just blue collar labor, but are leaching into the tech zone? We are losing tens of thousands of high paying technical and engineering positions to overseas facilities each year. It is getting harder and harder to find those good wage positions that can support a middle class family, and you are advocating the status quo? Just throw your hands up in the air and say “oh well” huh?
With that kind of attitude, it won’t take much longer for the middle class to completely disappear. Oh, and America’s prowess as an economic and military superpower? That will be history too. If we ship all of our decent wage paying labor, high tech and engineering positions overseas, how is the U.S. going to be able to compete? As a service economy? Give me a break!
Without companies fostering innovation and technology inside the U.S., we will quickly lose our edge, not just economically, but also militarily as well because the Pentagon contracts with private sector companies for it’s military technology. If these companies no longer foster U.S. talent, and most of the talent is overseas, how do you expect us to maintain a military technology advantage when all of that technology is being created outside the U.S.?
Just some food for thought. But you can continue your policy of wearing blinders, doing nothing and hoping that everything will be O.K.

Is it true that Bill and Hillary Clinton secretly worked behind the scenes during the 2004 election against John Kerry because they had targeted Hillary’s quest for 2008?

Badgersouth,
If they did and it’s a secret, how can we know? Your question is just anti-Hillary innuendo.

EVERY person in this country is an immigrant, including “Native Americans”, although I acknowledge they have the moral authority on this issue. I have said nothing that is “racist” because there is no such thing as “race”. That is a social construct and has no basic in scientific fact.
I simply stated that those who have a problem with this country should return to the country of their immigrant ancestors.

Thanks, Mitchell. I agree that rules are rules, laws are laws. That’s why I favor more LEGAL immigration but have little sympathy for ILLEGAL immigrants who have tried to jump to the head of the line.

Hillary DID NOT WANT MI OR FL TO COUNT until she realized she was loosing in the fair election. flip flop, flip flop, flip flop. I just watched Obama on CNN in Tampa FL. The room was PACKED with Obama supporters. He’ll do fine in FL and MI in the GE. Obama 08′

Mitchell,
DO not forget that the rules regarding states moving forward and the penalties for doing so were put in place by people now on CLinton’s staff.
The funny thing–if Michigan and Florida had stayed in place, they would’ve had much more influence…

……..I am delighted to see all these people on this message board so upset about the fact that America is about to elect the first “African-American” president in our history. I find endless joy in their futile attempt to stop history. I LOVE IT!
If you have a problem with it, go back to the country of your ancestors. THIS IS AMERICA! Love it or leave it!
…………………….
Beautiful !! Well written !! I am a 64-yr-old, educated, white woman with a hope and vision for the future of our beloved country. And, I feel like the only one in the race who could actually bring us together once again united in what is truly best is Barack Obama.
Sorry girls, but our gal Hillary is making a fool of herself and we women. Pushing ourselves down someone’s throats simply because we were fortunate enough to be born female. I do not like her like I once did since she is acting the whimpy, whiny fool that she is. Sorry. Change your tune,or get left behind with Grandpa McCain.

I just cannot get over the number of people who post that Florida and Michigan votes should be counted as cast. Come on, people, would you be saying the same thing if Hillary’s name wasn’t on the Michigan ballot? She’s hoodwinked the lot of you into believing that Obama is preventing your votes from counting, when it’s no more his fault than hers. Try to get past the understandably passionate support you have for your candidate and look at the issue with unbiased eyes–those elections simply were NOT FAIR as they stood! I’m all for everyone’s voice being heard, but that wasn’t the case in the elections that took place; many people stayed home, as they were told their votes wouldn’t count or voted in the Republican primary for the same reason. I don’t think anyone informed them that they should go ahead and vote anyway “just in case.” I hope the constituents in Florida and Michigan will vote OUT the people in their state governments who put them into this position in the first place!! Try to see this from all sides, though. Honestly, if it was Obama or another candidate whose name was the only one on the ballot rather than your chosen candidate, would you still consider Michigan’s election a fair one?

It is time for ALL of the Super’s to join the process. They must know who they support by now. It is time. Vote your conscience.

Veronica – “Methink” is that a word?

I just have to comment on funny it is that Hillary’s website points to this article as a way of proving her retarded clown math is correct. She says that she leads the popular vote, which isn’t true–even according to the article that she wanted us all to see! Do the right thing for once in your life, Hillary. Step aside.

Hillary’s math
Caucus states don’t count
1) Move the bar for the total number delegates needed to win
2) Count MI (Obama was not on the ballot!)
3) Count FL (Should have challenged their local Gov. on the voting date)
Even IF she was able to sway the DNC by extortion she could NEVER beat McCain. The Republicans would come out of the woodwork to keep the Clintons out of the White House. They despise the Clintons because Bill was a better President than either GHB or GWB and the world knows it! Hillary is not Bill but her so called “experience” all revolves around his Presidency.

The number would be greater than 2026 but it won’t be 2209.
I am convinced Hillary will be hanging off the stage at the inauguration demanding that whomever is standing there get off her stage.
It is her right, her destiny to be president and no one will deny her.
I wonder why she has so many followers. Clearly this woman does not believe in democracy and mentally unhinged.

David from Texas–
Obama has $37 million dollars in the bank right now.
Don’t cherry pick the article.
He had money left over from March. Yes he spent more than he brought in in April, but he could afford to because he was in the black coming into April.
Hillary on the other hand, not so much. Her bank account is nothing but red. She raises $22 million in April but is still nearly $10 million in debt by the end of the month? That is some lousy economic strategy.
John McCain—He raised $18 million. Not all that impressive when Obama raised $31.

Irma stated:
Oh, but they’ll screw the voters who supported this party long before Obama waltzed his brass knuckle “Change” in politics self into the party.
Thats ok, Irma, it’ll come back to haunt them in January 09 when they have to address President John McCain! The DNC and the SuperD’s have destroyed the Democratic party, not Clinton or Obama. Dean, Pelosi, Kennedy, and Kerry did this to our party and now, we, the voters are having to deal with it. I think the SuperD’s are a joke, all of them. They are people just like you and me. I think ALL of them, SuperD’s and the DNC can go to H**l, they have royally screwed up this time. The party won’t be healed by November, maybe not even for the 2012 election. It seems they have set the Old Dems against the new faction Dems. The freaking GOP is loving this! They WERE afraid last summer of this election, but not anymore. They have won it already, McCain, with his old self, will be the next President. I don’t blame Hillary, Barack, or the voters. It because of the stupid DNC, Dean, Pelosi, Kennedy, and Kerry!

@ Mindy…..and oh, forgot something. Mindy, if you want to post numbers on a blog, make sure, before you open your mouth, that you can back them up, “sweetie” !

To the super delegates, we know who you are , we have a list of names. come November you will be accountable. Letting Obama be the nominee of math instead of the nominee of sensibility. Forward to Election Day 08, can you imagine backpedaling when it comes to – explaining how Obama- loses key states? Ohio, Michigan ,Pennsylvania, Florida and West Virginia. What will the pundits say? He lost them because of the math, or blame once again Hillary. Can’t blame her she won those states in the primaries, Obama did not.

The psychology has turned completely for Clinton.
Historically if a candidate has taken a fight to the convention floor, the party has lost that election cycle.
However, if Hillary does take it to the floor, it may not have the same effect this time. Obama is already campaigning as if it were the GE, he isn’t waiting until September. He should have plenty of money, 200,000 NEW donors in April is impressive. No one has ever raised this kind of money before, so the prior election cycles may not be relevant.
Basically Hillary will still be fighting the primary while everyone else has pivoted to the general.
The party is not going to stop in the middle of what every one perceives to be the general already in progress. This is why she was so desperate that Obama not announce victory yesterday.
Unfortunately for her, it was too late anyway. The psychology of the country has already moved into the general. Even in Kentucky 54% of the voters said they believed Obama would be the eventual nominee.

David in Texas–
You are so right the $18 million that McCain raised is amazing compared to the $31 million that Obama raised.
Obama had 200,000 NEW donors who can be tapped in to until they reach the max of $2300.
McCain can’t even come close to the fund raising of Obama. He knows it and has even said so himself.
And so what that he outspent Clinton. Clinton has something he doesn’t have. NAME RECOGNITION. You cannot underestimate the value of her name. He had to spend that money just to get his name out there to people. He has to introduce himself, they already know Hillary Clinton.
Done.

how can you people talk about being fair and unbiased. HRC agreeded to not campaign in FL or MI, like the other candidates did. An unknown # of people did not vote because they knew their votes wouldn’t count. Barack took his name off the ballot in MI, your candidate said MI votes don’t count. Now HRC cares about every vote counting because she’s trailing BHO. This flip flopper is who you want to lead the country?! A fiscally irresponsible, unattentive to details, owner of bad judgement and bad management skills, crocadile tears crying, user of all to get what she and her husband wants!!!
PLEASE, you’ve fallen for the bush tactic that she has embraced, remember propaganda, tell them what you want them to believe over and over and over, pretty soon they’ll start to believe.
Question, if she wants every vote to count, why shouldn’t caucus votes count?

People please.I suspect some of you are very young and not experienced in elections. You don’t get this high up in politics by being honest. They all lie. I am a devout democrat. Have never voted republican in my life. I have no problem with a black president. Obama is not it. I have no problem with a woman president. I have little or no problem with McClain. When we made our first attempt at a woman vice president, Ferraro was not it. We bit the bullet and waited till we had someone better. That is what Obama supporters should do. No matter who gets in we are not going to suddenly become a secure and strong nation. We are a long way from that. We are not going to magically bring all the troups home. i was adamantly against the war in Iraq. But they are there and we cannot now just simply pull out as Obama says he will do. that alone should show his inability to run a country. Whoever gets in i should hope that congress will hold them at bay on the things that should not happen. I personally will either vote write in for Hillary or for McClain. At least he is not imature and naive. So vote for who you want as i will and grow up.

Mary,
I understand your position. I don’t believe everyone who refuses to vote for Obama is a racist. I think there is a very small percentage of the population voting based on that. I would think a similar percentage wouldn’t vote for a woman.
But, I disagree with you about Obama. Not trying to convince you of anything just so you know.
I personally think his idea of how to handle other nations is the correct one. John McCain and George Bush’s way, and frankly Hillary’s way, has not worked. We are not safer today than we were 8 years ago.
Will Obama magically bring the troops home all at once. No. He never said he would. He said he would withdraw responsibly.
My point really is that fine you don’t agree with Obama’s policy, you don’t think he is “ready” whatever that means. But, just because some of us do believe he is ready, does not make us naive or stupid.
I respect your opinion and absolutely respect your right to have it.
This whole racism/sexism thing has gotten way more press than it deserves. Frankly it is a tiny percentage of the vote.
Obama screwed up. He should have gone to West Virginia and Kentucky. I have lived in a small state that no one cared about. They just assumed we would vote a certain way and never did anything to get our vote. It is insulting. I don’t blame them for not voting for him. Hillary put a lot of work into those two states and she earned her victory.
I can be objective about Obama. No kool-aid and frankly I am sick of the ridiculous assertion that we are all star struck zombies.
All of the candidates are flawed, I guess that goes with being human. It would be nice if people could have a grown up conversation resembling your post rather than the name calling that usually goes on in here.

David in Texas – I understand where you are coming from and I thank you for it. I still think that my cause all these years are all a waste.
Process – it is not only because of the Hillary and Obama issue. It is just the whole process. Is it the VOTERS of Michigan and Florida’s fault that this is happening right now? NO. Do you even think for a minute that what you and I think will matter on what they will do with those delegates in FL and MI? Dream on. The MSM have not done their job. They have not fully vetted Obama. I also voted for Reid and what is he doing right now. The delegate allocation of DNC is so mind boggling. I don’t even understand it myself. Yes as you would probably say I am one of the stupid, idiot, uneducated Hillary supporter. That’s okay. I don’t have to have a masters degree to know that Hillary might lie sometimes but Obama himself is just a lie.

Mickey,
Graniteman wrote that, not me. I actually agree with what you said…for the most part.

Akinyele:
Thank you. My most sincere apologies.
Looking back, you are right, it was Graniteman.
The sentiment remains, however. We need to all work toward sweeping the election with Democrats; regardless of who the candidate is. We can’t afford another 4 year disaster with a Republican leadership.

Enough spin. Clinton is NOT in the lead for popular vote. She is not going to be the nominee. She is not going to be president. DEMOCRATS: it’s time to end this.

Sorry, but those numbers are wrong. You aren’t taking the caucus states into account. There is no real popular vote total there, and Obama nearly swept them. She lost, it’s done, and she’s making all of us women look bad by trying to manipulate that reality.

Clinton Wins Ky; Obama Wins Oregon: What’s Next?
McCain wins the general election! That’s what is next!

Hillary is not ahead in popular vote — Michigan was a sham election, where most Democratic candidates were not on the ballot (and write-ins *were not permitted*). And several of the caucus states that Obama easily won did not keep individual vote talleys.
Another bunch of lies from the Hillary camp.

Somebody has to wake up Hillary that she is behind by almost 160 pledged delegates & more than half millions popular votes not including the caucuses.
Newsweek, ABC news and all major news agencies agree that there is no way she can win.
She has a slight chance of winning in popular votes & not delegates, only if Obama is given zero popular votes in MI & FL &, she gets it all.
It should not happen because it is a fair game and not based on other factors.
She is way behind.
She is not accepting the reality.
Sooner or late she will have to accept the results.
The rules agreed upon & signed ahead of the primaries must stay the same for all candidates and, not change for one, only because the candidates is losing.

I am wondering why Senator Clinton if she truly felt that there was some sort of impropriety, did not lodge a complaint about Florida and Michigan at the beginning of this campaign, when she, and all the other Democratic hopefuls, signed the pledge that acknowledged the fact that these two states had broken party rules? It seemes to me , and according to the history of the behavior, that this did not become an issue until she was behind. Not one Clinton supporter can explain that to me. Perhaps it is because there is only one plausible explanation…UNDERESTIMATION and ENTITLEMENT. This was supposed to be , according to her, as evidenced in one of her earliest ads where she referred to herself as the “presumptive nominee.” No black man was ever supposed to win by such an overwhelming margin in the great state of IOWA. Her assumption was her undoing. The latent paternalistic attitude of the Clinton years, has surfaced , and what we have witnessed in these past months, the comments by both Senator Clinton and President Clinton speak to that. It is mind-boggling that intelligent or street smart or people that have good common sense could equate being “really proud” for that first time with “trashing” this country. It is sad and disturbing that a sitting president would take his own, personal agenda and air it in what was supposed to be the celebration of another country’s statehood. It is further distressing that an American president hopeful would joke about a behavior that has bleminished the history of this country… the writers’ strike is over. The fact that, in this ecconomy, we all are feeling the stress and pain of inflated prices at the pump, a rapid increase in umemployment, a decaying mental health system, a lack of health care , foreclosures, an absence of suitable accomodations for our military, an outrageous increase in food costs, a flawed and a failing educational system. Yet, the fact that we reduce the selection of the next leader of our country to a “battle” between personality differences, gender, race, religion, a like or dislike of a person’s spouse, speaks to a blantant disregard for the solemnity and awesome privilege that we have as Americans. We take our rights for granted. The rest of the world is waiting for us to destroy each other…they are counting on it and we are doing just that. Some example we are…just look at the attitudes exemplified in these blogs. We name-call, we use hasty generalizations to justifiy our beliefs, we pout and threaten to “take our marbles and go home” because we are not getting our way, we resort to using distorted facts, we are disrepectful of differences of opinion, and we abuse the right we have to vote by threatening not to. People have died, and are dying to secure that right. We spit on them and on their ultimate sacrifice…It follows that our young people have so little regard for us and for each other. Children mimic what they see and they repeat what they hear.
Not one of these candidates is perfect. They are all human and as such are prone to error. They are diverse, as diverse as is this great country of ours…and she is great inspite of and dispite all her flaws. They may differ in age, sex, race,life experiences and ideology but they have important similarities. They are all Americans; they have guts and a kind of intestinal fortitude, and they all, without exception, love this country. They have courage…McCain was a POW… Clinton a first lady and Obama a black man who chose public service over the private sector. Each one has strenghts and each one has weaknesses and they all deserve thoughtful consideration instead of whimsey.They all want to be president, and we all have the unique opportunity to have a part in making that selection. Most important, we have the power to hold them accountable IF we do not sink into apathy or give in to cynicism. It is our future and the future of our children, and of their children that is at stake here. Vote! and if you don’t vote, don’t complain. If you don’t like who is running, then next time, run yourself. Subject yourself to the same kind of scrutiny that you subject them to. Open up your life for all the world to see and to comment on. Keep in mind that it is not just effort but achievement that counts.
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Hillary Clinton placed Floridians’ Constitutional right to have their votes fully counted the same way as in ending slavery and winning the right to vote for Black Americans and women. Clinton spoke to senior citizens whom lost their votes in the Florida recount debacle in the 2000 election. She is continuing until the Convention, if necessary, to win this fight for Florida and Michigan, calling on Sen. Barack Obama to join it. On slavery or the right to vote: “In each successive generation, this nation was blessed by men and women who refused to accept their assigned place as second-class citizens. The abolitionists and all who fought to end slavery, and ensure that freedom came with the full right of citizenship.” On the Constitutional principle: “We have certain core rights that no government can abridge and these rights are rooted in, and sustained by the principle that our Founders set forth in the Declaration of Independence. That a just government derives its power from the consent of the governed, that each of us should have an equal voice in determining the destiny of our nation.” On the Florida disenfranchisement of 2000-by corporate purging of public voter lists, Wall Street lawyers’ disruption of recounts, and Supreme Court overrule: “We believe that the outcome of our elections should be determined by the will of the people. Nothing more, nothing less. We believe the popular vote is the truest expression of your will. Back in 2000 when right here in Florida you learned the hard way what happens when you’re votes aren’t counted and a candidate with fewer votes is determined the winner. “I believe the Democratic Party must count these votes. They should count them exactly as they were cast. “Some say that counting Florida and Michigan would be changing the rules. I say that not counting Michigan and Florida is changing a central governing rule of this country–that whenever we can understand the clear intent of the voters, their votes should be counted.”

Seems to me that we have forgotten that Electoral votes win the presidency (ask Al Gore). If my math is correct, Hillary has won states that produce 308 electoral votes. Obama has won states that produce 213 electoral votes. Why hasn’t this been more prominently mentioned and why have the Democrats reduced the value of winning Electoral College-significant states?
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One more note – Barack Obama was a veritable unknown at the start of this primary season. Today he draws crowds that are historic in size, has a grassroots campaign that is like a well oiled watch that includes ALL Americans – not just segmented stereotypes.
I feel that his campaign style and ideas are such, and his support so strong, that in a matter of a few months he can reintroduce himself in the nation that don’t know him well and make his case.
Also, if Hillary is that electable – why is she still campaigning? Why didn’t she knock out the competition in Iowa? She’s well-known and the wife of a still popular president and carries with her 35 years of political connections and contacts? If she’s so electable – why hasn’t she won?

If the electoral college argument is flawed, what is the Democrat’s tally system? What significant state (other than Illinois) has Obama won? Where would the delegate count be if it were winner take all in each state? I know these are moot points, but certainly they are discussion points.

I agree with
Geraldine Ferraro!!

Obama will NEVER win on any ticket. America needs help, not a big mouth rookie.

The results intended that Obama has won the prevalent split of the delegates chosen in the long primary and caucus and season according to NBC News tabulations.
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