Conservatives (Heart) Hillary

I don’t think most of the public want to go from one of the most conservative administration to the most liberal administration overnight. The Keith Obermann/Air America/Huffington Post wing of the democrats are trying their best to make that happen. Clinton is a middle of the road democrat and I think she would have a better chance in Nov.

If Obama keeps making statements like this he will turn anyone against him. So if am out of work I cling to my religion and guns and lose all sense of dignity, now exactly what does Obama mean?
“And when people lose their jobs, when the plant closes, you don’t just lose your job, you lose your health care. And you lose your pension. AND MORE THAN THAT YOU LOSE YOUR SENSE OF WHO YOU ARE AND YOUR PLACE IN YOUR COMMUNITY. YOUR SENSE OF DIGNITY.”

I really think you idiots reconsider voting for Clinton.
Clinton would distroy the United States.
Let’s put an end to this,
Destruction of the Democratic Party
This is not politics this is insanity
All you whites that won’t vote for Obama – shame on you.
We are all Americans
Think!!!!!!
Hillary said she would obliterate Iran
if they attack any country in the middle east.
Obliterate –
OBLIVERATE ____ kill Millions of people ,
This will start WW3.
The Russian will come to Iran’s aid. – They have the nukes to destroy the United States
if we were to survive
Well forget about ever using you car ever again ( No gasoline!!)
We would all be riding bicycles and scooters electric mobiles .
Please god help us!

Obama has to make up his mind seems he really does not know how people think when they have hard times.
He first said they become bitter, cling to guns, and their religion now they lose a sense of dignity.
Yes the educate may post the precise definition as to what Obama was trying to say but sad to say the uneducated those that the Obama supporters say support Hillary, will not have time to analyze the meaning of Obama’s Harvard words.
The word “dignity” or lost of to them may be taken in the content that he is saying that because of their lost of financial income they will be willing to do anything for money.

Of course conservatives are proud of the campaign that Hillary has waged against Obama. It is better for them for Hillary to do the dirty work.
But I would argue that Hillary is actually making Obama a better general election candidate. He is learning to sharpen his message.

Ghm, I am not an idiot and I have never voted for a republican in my 54 years. I will not vote for Mccain but I will vote independent. We all have options and just because someone does not agree with you does not make them an idiot.

Exactly the democrats love to pick loser, it keeps steering them in the face but they do it anyway.
Am sick and tire of this talk of the black vote, in case anyone noticed if the democrats lose the white vote in huge numbers they lose the WH, so on one hand we talk of this supposedly huge black turn out and on the other hand we alienate the Clinton supporters, so exactly what the hell is it that the DNC is doing?
Does the DNC really feel that the Clinton supporters are so dumb that if she is pushed out they will vote for Obama just because he is the nominee.
Maybe the DNC needs to explain what is their rationale in this Obama push because weather we want to talk about it or not there is a division in this country and it will show in a GE.
There is a race division, there is a division on the fact that Obama has a checked past that he cant explain away, there are still questions that some of us have no answers for and no one can say its not so.
So why push a candidate that the odds are stacked so high against and then secretly keep your fingers crossed in a GE that all goes well, persons vote party and not race, and the GOP does not bring any dirt that cannot be explained away.
Who wants to sit in a corner and believe that this election is going to be just about issues they can maybe to some it will be but to a whole lot of others its going to be about race and that is a fact and that is where all party loyalty will end.

Mrs. Clinton, like most Americans, is moderate. She is doing well of late, but Mr. Obama will win the nomination, thanks to his early successes. Even though the GOP has done a poor job over the last few years, they will carry the moderate vote and win the GE this fall. This is unfortunate because Mr. McCain, who is certainly an American hero, may not have the analytical skills needed for the job he seeks. It’s unfortunate, but that’s what the numbers indicate.

I’m a Clinton supporter. I think Obama is more conservative than the far left pretends or likes to think he is and Clinton is more liberal than Obama. The Republicans I think were terrified of coming up against Obama because they just didn’t know how they could use their usual tactics against a charismatic, popular African-American candidate without looking like David Duke. Clinton gave them the game plan.
She’s fearless, she’s a political animal, she loves the process even more than I think she does the win. Look at her, Obama looks beat down and she looks like she’s just beginning. I think people misjudged how the conservatives look at the Clinton’s though. They wanted her as a candidate because they knew it would galvanize Republican voters. In the U.S. Senate though Clinton is well respected among her Republican peers and unlike Obama who talk’s bipartisan she actually has worked bipartisan. Look at her relationship with McCain. The Rove’s and Buchanan’s have never underestimated her and clearly have some admiration for the Clinton’s ability to get knocked down and come right back up. This is why some of us Clinton supporters are watching Fox News now because there wasn’t such a pro-Obama bias. I think Fox recognizes this and is playing to us Clinton supporters along with their conservative and/or Republican base. She’s been treated more fairly there in comparison to MSNBC and she obviously knows that and so it was no surprise to me she did O’Reilly. Clinton has the backbone to take on both the far left and the far right and that’s exactly what she’s doing. Both of these candidates take money from special interests and are corporate candidates, the Clinton supporters clearly understand that about Clinton unlike some of the Obama supporters who have bought his bag of goods and the media spin. Since they’re both corporate candidates who seems like the one with the most spine to take on special interests? Clinton’s taking on Obama, a biased media , the far left and the powers that be within her own party. Gee, I think she might be able to take on some of her contributors if she feels the need to. Obama says he will, but there’s no record to show he has and he seems like a wuss. People keep saying she has baggage, the Clinton’s do dating back to their Arkansas days but they’ve won 3 governorships, 2 Presidential races and 2 Senate races against Republicans and people think she couldn’t win against McCain because of her baggage? I think Clinton suffered from the same thing the Republicans did about going up against Obama initially. I think there was a sense of entitlement on her part, they underestimated Obama and she just didn’t seem to come into her own until Ohio and Texas. Now she’s back or finally on her game in the only way she knows how to play and she plays to win.
She’s playing it just right now, I’m a Clinton supporter who feels this party has been hijacked by the far left. I won’t vote far left anymore so then I would far right (but I did vote Wellstone). McCain, in my estimation, is a moderate so jumping ship to McCain is not that big of a deal for me despite the feelings I have about the Bush administration. McCain is clearly not Bush to me. I know the McCain camp is eyeing up those Clinton supporters if Obama gets the nomination and rightly so. This party right now feels like it’s willing to throw women, blue collar voters, white men and Latino’s under the bus. She gets that and is playing to moderate and the more conservative Democrats. I’m college educated but my roots are working class
and I’m proud of that and if the Democrats don’t value our votes then I’m sure the Republicans will. Everytime a Democrat gets up there and says Clinton should withdraw they dismiss us and we make up half of this party. She knows who is supporting her, is willing to take on the far left and bring in some of our more conservative Democrats in the process. It may be posturing on her part but who cares, it’s more than the Obama camp and the powers that be within the Democratic party are giving us. We know the Democrats can’t win without the working class/rural vote, she knows that too.
People talk about the Clinton’s and their emphasis on loyalty, she won’t forget who got her the nomination and who would give her the Presidency. In fact there’s nothing I would like to see better than Clinton with more power than Kennedy, Pelosi, Dean, Kerry, Richardson, etc. If she doesn’t win the nomination I truly believe there will be a place for her in the McCain administration. Whether one questions it or not Clinton represents the working class now in this party and every slight the powers that be slap her with is a slap towards us. People keep saying experience doesn’t make any difference but it’s clearly making a difference right now. Clinton has had years of campaigning and being in the political arena whereas Obama’s constituents in Illinois were pretty much the voting blocs he’s getting now, African Americans, youth and college educated affluent whites. I don’t think he’s elitist but I do think he lacks understanding of the working class/rural voters and we feel that. I fully think he’s capable, given more experience, of attracting those voters but it won’t be soon enough to win the general.

I don’t pay any attention to the polls anymore, I can’t remember the last time one was right.

Toad – 36 of 39 polling trends correctly predicted the outcome of PA. You are correct that single polls are bad indicators but polling trends have been on the mark. The pollsters have been embarassed and they are starting to do a better job. Unfortunately, this race is so volatile from day to day, no single poll will ever be accurate. Guam is a good example and we wont know for a few days at least what the election results are. What we do know is the Obama pollsters were wrong because the preliminary results do not show the 65% he expected.

Obama will be the democrat nominee in 2008. Given McCain’s age, the economy and his Bob Dole campaign style, I give Obama better than even odds even with his unapologetic anti-white, anti-American socialism. He will then proceed to relieve Jimmy Carter’s place in the pantheon of weak-sister presidents.

You make it sound like the day she gets in office she would obliterate Iran just for the fun of it. She was asked IF, IF, IF Iran attacked Israel with nuclear weapons would attack Iran. Obama would have to do the same or maybe he wouldn’t.

Actually she said “… we would be able to obliterate Iran.” This is a statement of fact regarding our capability. She has always said diplomacy first and military action last. But when we have a nation calling for the genocide of Jewish people (annihiliation of Isreal), she is correct to take a hardline. Anyone who follows real news and not just blogs saw the positive effect. After her statement, Iran immediately stated they have no plans to invade or bomb any other country. The first step in establishing dialogue is to lay the ground rules… she was correct and her strategy was a sound CIC decision.

Hey, that IF…. Is EXACTLY my point! When she’s president, she can’t go around flippantly spouting off things like this that are obviously offensive! Her comments obviously insensed Iran, go read up on the topic if you haven’t heard. So, she made a ripple whether she intended to or not. It does not MATTER what her intentions were behind her words or what context she said them in – what did Iran hear from way over here across the Ocean?! The next president has to be smarter than that. FYI, I was originally an Edwards supporter who took several weeks to decide between Hillary and Obama. It offends me that you all keep referring to Obama supporters as being part of a cult and/or that we are somehow simply swept up in his flowery speeches like we have no minds to think with for ourselves. We are simply able to see beyond the here and now. Electing Obama is only the first step in the people getting more control and more consideration in this country. We’ve got many more decades of repair to go. Hillary may turn out to be an “Ok” president, but she doesn’t have “it” – whatever “it” is… You can accuse me of having flighty, hopeless dreams of grandeur all you want, but from the perspective of someone who hasn’t been inspired by a whole lot of hope in awhile – I’ll take it.

jcr – 77 of 100 Senators voted to authorize military action against Iraq IF AND ONLY IF, WMD’s were found. Just thought you might like to know the facts. You can see the record of voting online at our senate site or a variety of unbiased sites that track politics. Nearly all of Obama’s surrogates voted the same way Clinton did. Personally, I have no probem with any of their votes as I believe they made a tough decision during a stressful time in our country. But I dont blame any of them for the actions of the Bush administration and the lies they told the world.

anyone who complains about the price of gas should get a car that gets good mileage. SUVs and 400 hp cars create the demand.

Dont worry about McCain in the general election.
Any former prisoner of war who approves waterboarding prisoners has lost his mind.
He has no short term memory. He is known in the Senate as a person who is ‘not a detail man’, that’s because he cannot remember why he went into the room, same as your grandfathers. He cannot remember the different participants in Iraq.
He says we will have a base in Iraq for 50 years, like in Germany. That will be a recruiting poster for the Al-quaida. He doesnt understand the economy or Iraq. He is just a nice old guy whose time was up about 9 years ago when he started collecting his social security. He wont win a single debate.

Hillary like her husband is a centrist….for Universal healthcare and pro civil rights…against negotiating with terrorist (or befriending them domestically). Strong military strong security…She is running on a record of accomplishment. As far as the gas tax vacation she is delivering on her promise to truckers…a cut in diesel for .24 a gallon is substantial. It would be 9 months actually more like a year until they would get any relief.
Obama is running on “hope” and “change” and an antiwar speech he made in 2002. He has since admitted (and now denies) that he is not sure how he would have voted if he had been looking at the evidence,
Most of America is not as conservative as the Bush policies or as liberal as Obama’s record. She appeals to middle America.

Alpaig does a superb assessment of Clinton. As a middle-aged woman from Illinois who initially supported Obama in his U.S. Senate race as a “promising” liberal, I am very disappointed that he chose to run for President so early. I’m well-educated and unswayed by the mindless explanation for this premature run, “The Urgency of Now!”. As a young voter in 1972, I understand why anti-war positions appeal, but this is not a decider for me since Obama clearly stated that he did not know how he would have voted on the Iraq war had he been in the Senate, and the MSM refuses to point out that the majority of Democrats ALSO voted for the war (incl. Obama supporters such as Tom Daschl-check the Congressional Record to verify.) It seems to me that it is Obama who will “do anything to get elected”, as his own supporters claim of Clinton. Who knows what his positions would actually be if he is elected, but I expect he will end up doing whatever he needs to do to get RE-elected. Thus, I predict an erratic and unpredictable course as president regarding “the issues.”

speaking of middle America, I read a lot of posts by people who are confused about just who the middle class is… Michelle Obama with all her education is the most confused LOL… middle class by income is between poverty level and about 70K… she alone has made well above that level for many years… we only get to add 5400 per family member and we have to include all income per federal poverty guidelines… if you want to see where you fall check out this interactive tool then you will understand just who middle America really is and see that Obama is out of touch because he has never been less than upper class… his elitism is not his fault… he is a product of his environment like his cousin Bush… but that doesnt mean we should dismiss the facts… Clinton knows her roots and has never forgotten them.

Quit watching cable tv. You can’t get good information there. It’s just entertainment and propaganda. It’s all over for Hillary since Texas, do the math. The real question now is if Obama is forced to take Clinton as VP. The nightmare ticket. They could win but many in the party would be upset including myself. The war vote. Worst political move she ever made and will never be forgiven at least by me.

jcr we will never agree on what the vote was for… people who only read titles should not vote based on the title… Obama only read the title because he was not privvy to the text since he was not a US Senator… when he became privvy to it, he stated he did not know how he would have voted… he later claimed he only said that for political reasons so as to not make Kerry look bad… no spin necessary facts are facts… unless you are a US Senator with the necessary clearance to read the entire text and had been briefed on all information and communicated personally with Bush when he stated he would not invade without WMDs and would not overstep the authority, then I will assume you either dont know how you would have voted and/or are one of those people who assume things based on the title like Obama did and admitted error later… How the representatives voted is a moot point since none of them are in this race for the nomination… lets stay on topic please.

To help people who really dont know anything about Senator Clinton, here are some Career Highlights from various history sources:
During her years at Wellesley, where her political views became more liberal, as President of College Republicans, she became a Democrat after MLK’s assassination and became a humanitarian activist.
She graduated in 1969 as Valedictorian of Wellesley with a degree in Political Science and gave a standing ovation speech featured in Life magazine. After entering Yale Law School in 1969, Rodham served on the board of editors of the Yale Review of Law and Social Action and provided legal advice for underprivileged and abused children at Yale-New Haven Hospital. She also interned with children’s advocate Marian Wright Edelman, received a grant to work at the Children’s Defense Fund in Cambridge, Massachusetts, in 1970; and worked for Senator Walter Mondale’s subcommittee on migrant workers during the summer of 1971. During her second year in law school, Rodham volunteered at the Yale Child Study Center, where she studied new research on early childhood brain development. She also worked at the city legal services providing free assistance to poor residents.
After graduating from Yale in 1973, Rodham began a year of post-graduate study on children and medicine at the Yale Child Study Center, after having written her widely acknowledged thesis on children’s rights. She also became a staff attorney for the Children’s Defense Fund and was recruited to serve on the presidential impeachment inquiry staff for the House of Representative’s Judiciary Committee, investigating the Watergate Scandal. Rodham Clinton joined the Rose Law Firm in 1976. Two years later, Rodham Clinton was appointed to the board of the Legal Services Corporation by President Jimmy Carter to work for Children and Families. She joined boyfriend and colleague Bill on the University of Arkansas Law School faculty in 1974. She was named one of the top hundred lawyers in America, and the “National Law Journal” surveys list her among the most influential lawyers in 1988 and 1991.
During Rodham Clinton’s 12 years as first lady of Arkansas, she continued to pursue children and family issues. She chaired the Arkansas Education Standards Committee to improve the testing standards of new teachers, founded the Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families, and introduced Arkansas Home Instruction for Preschool Youth, a program that trained parents of preschool children in preparedness and literacy. The first lady also served on the Arkansas Children’s Hospital Legal Services board, Children’s Defense Fund board, while continuing to work for the Rose Law Firm. She was named one of the 100 most influential attorneys in America by the National Law Journal in 1988 and 1991. She was also named Arkansas Woman of the Year in 1983 and Arkansas Mother of the Year in 1984. She served as an attorney on the board of Walmart in Arkansas and resigned later when she was unhappy with Walmart’s policies regarding unions and discrimination against women workers.
When the Clintons moved into the White House in 1993, the president appointed his wife to head the Task Force on National Health Care Reform that proposed a national health plan. The controversial plan failed to receive enough support to reach the floors of Congress and was abandoned in September 1994. Rodham Clinton attributed her political inexperience as a contributor to its defeat, as well as other factors. Not since Eleanor Roosevelt had a first lady so actively participated in public policy. Unaccustomed to the first lady’s central role in the shaping of public policy, such involvement was thought inappropriate by critics.
During her eight years as first lady, Rodham Clinton also initiated the Children’s Health Insurance Program in 1997, increased research funding for prostate cancer and childhood asthma to the National Institute of Health, as well as assisted in determining the cause of a mysterious illness affecting veterans of the Gulf War. She also initiated and guided the Adoption and Safe Families Act of 1997.
Rodham Clinton has received many prestigious awards, including the Secretary of Defense Medal for Outstanding Public Service, the President’s Award of the League of United Latin American Citizens, Role Model of the Year, by the United Steel Workers of America; the Martin Luther King Jr. Award from the Progressive National Baptist Convention, and the National Association of Elementary School Principals Distinguished Service Award. Rodham Clinton also has authored best-selling books, including her autobiography, Living History and It Takes a Village: And Other Lessons Children Teach Us, which won her the 1997 Grammy Award for Best Spoken Word Album for the recorded version.
During the campaign, her opponent and other critics accused her of opportunism, given her tenuous connection with the state. Considered to be a proponent of American liberalism, with its origins found in Franklin D. Roosevelt’s New Deal policies, the former first lady was elected on November 7, 2000. According to a New York Times article entitled “The Evolution of Hillary Clinton,” she has been successful in finding the middle ground between voters of various views on such issues as abortion rights, where her work has focused on reducing the number of abortions through the prevention of unwanted pregnancies rather than restricting abortions. She was elected with 67% of the vote in NY and was subsequently re-elected for a second term.
Since becoming a senator, Rodham Clinton has worked to strengthen New York’s economy and homeland security, while supporting a return to fiscal responsibility. She worked to bring economic relief to victims of the September 11, 2001, terrorist attack on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. The senator introduced legislation to provide funding for threat-based homeland security to ensure adequate resources for first responders, and such high-target communities as New York City.
She serves on various senatorial committees, including the Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions Committee; Environment and Public Works Committee; Special Committee on Aging; and in 2004 was the only senator on the Transformation Advisory Group to the Joint Forces Command. She has visited troops in Iraq, Afghanistan and other locations, to learn about the challenges American combat forces face. She also has worked for prescription-drug safety for children, to lower the cost of prescription drugs, and to prevent contamination of the American food supply by bioterrorism. She co-sponsored legislation to extend tax credits in regions that contain designated Renewal Communities, as well as introduced legislation to increase access to broadband technology in rural areas.
These are just a few of her accomplishments but they paint a clear picture of what she has done for many people in this country as a humanitarian, civil rights activist, and a champion of children and families. She is truly a highly respected community and public servant who stands for all the voters in the face of unrelenting scrutiny and misogyny. She earned my vote long ago.

DC Voter,
Again, you miss my point. If the vote was based on the belief of Bush’s evidence, why did it break down so readily according to party and according to state? Lincoln Chafee, the only Republican to vote against the war, looked at the evidence and knew it was a bunch of BS, and claimed that he could have bought those aluminum tubes at the local hardware store. He also said the vote for war was the biggest breach of trust possible by a politician, and that those who broke the trust deserve to pay the price. I agree. And beyond the war vote, Clinton voted for both Patriot Acts, the 1st bankruptcy bill (didn’t show up at all for the second), and telecom deregulation. You posted a bunch of incorrect facts about the candidates’ respective backgrounds. Now tell me, did all of the rotten legislation somehow help the middle class?

hey TedDaddy at least she went to bosnia. how many war zones has obama visited?

Sonia,
The Patriot Act that Obama voted for was not Patriot Act I. The second manifestation had key provisions that safeguarded civil liberties. Before the vote, Obama cosponsored key changes that made its way to the final write up in a watered-down form. He joined a filibuster to block Bush’s version of the reauthorization, and only compromised when changes were made. Where was Clinton? In fact, during the darkest years of Bush, do you remember her standing up for anything? I remember her speech to the Senate that confirmed the link between Al Queda and Saddam. Oh, and she stood up against flag burning.

Yep. NOTE how the Liberal media NEVER mentioned it UNTIL clinton started getting the vote?
Republicans were voting for Obama to get rid of clinton right from the start.
Once Obama looked like he would win too fast, they then voted for Clinton .
But since Rev Wright, and Obama calling small town voters gun totin bible thumping bigots, republicans are voting against Obama because he makes them sick.

Wow. I just looked up the whole hybrid thing. Can you believe it? Hillary is offering a $10,000 tax credit for a hybrid. That is half off. Just whom is she targeting? Who would believe such a ridiculous promise? She is really lowering the bar. My only hope is that anyone stupid enough to believe it wouldn’t have the motivation to get off the couch, turn off the TV, and vote. That is my hope.

What your average “Bush Democrat” does not realize is that the right wing wants Hillery nominated because of a “little” court case that is going to hit the air ways around mid October. This is going to make the Rev Wright supposed scandel look like childs play. If you vote for Hillery you are indeed voting for McCain. Also ABC could you be more biased in your reporting if you tried?

It appeared to me that, earlier in the game, Hillary was trying to flank Obama on the left.  I particularly recall her making much of Samantha Power saying that Obama’s committment to a 16 month withdrawal schedule would have to be revisited in light of the realities on the ground in Iraq as of January 2009.  And, of course, there was her transformation from cheerleader for NAFTA as first lady to finding her history of opposing NAFTA as first lady.
First movin’ left, then movin’ right; for a 60 year old lady, she’s downright nimble.

The left are a bunch of fools and mysoginists, and not just in the United States, everywhere.
Hilary Clinton is absolutely more able to work with conservatives across the aisle than Barrack Obama. She actually has a history of doing this and the Conservatives have liked her since she started working with them in the Senate. She was raised a Republican.
Obama is the left of the left of the fringe left, which is why his associations with Wright and Ayers are pertinent. They are consistent with his views and politics. He could never work with Conservatives. He never has.
A far left radical from the North East will never be elected president, no matter how many black people vote for him. He can’t win.
It’s Democratic suicide helped out with some fraud at caucuses to nominate this man.
Hillary has always been the best choice to work with Conservatives.

DCVoter, welcome back, Hill will say anything and everything to get the nomination: gaz holidays, obliterate Iran, nuclear umbrella for Saudi Arabia-Koweit-Syria-Abu Dabi and isarael- etc.etc. But, you all know that she is unelectable. She is the candidate who can reunify the republican party and get their base reinvigorated and that is the key point- remember Rush. God save America from Hill the Bosnian General and Mccain. God bless America and God bless Obama.OBAMA08.

I agree with them. And Democrats still want for this dragon lady?

Do we really want more of this crap?
“Now he’s in the news again, which may not be good for Sister Hillary’s ambitions. It might remind voters how her brother Hugh Rodham had taken $400,000 in exchange for getting other people pardoned. One ran a cocaine ring. The other was convicted of business fraud and three years after his pardon from Clinton was sentenced to 18 months in prison for not paying millions in taxes”.
Hillary offers more of the same…..just like Bush.

One other observation, Barack increased his delegate lead with the Guam victory. Hillary’s right wing pandering might play well in rural Indiana and red North Carolina. But what about the contests remaining out in the left coast. Oh well she will just start pandering to the left claiming Barack isn’t progressive enough, right? Say or do anything to get elected. I remember George Bush did the same thing.

countallthevotes,
Obama’s present votes accounted for roughly 0.25% of the more than 4000 votes he cast in the Illinois State Senate. In the case of reproductive rights votes, it’s has been extensively documented that Obama was voting “present” at the request of Planned Parenthood as part of a broader political strategy in defense of reproductive rights. Further,anyone familiar with the Illinois senate knows that the present vote is essentially a vote of “no, with an explanation,” and Obama’s use of the “present” vote is entirely consistent with appropriate practice in the Illinois State Legislature. Next time you raise this issue, please explain it properly.

Justin,
I understand all that about Obama’s “present” votes. That is precisely why I used “could” in my statement. I merely meant that his personal position on abortion COULD be read as influencing his votes as a state senator. I ma not saying whether or not I agree with that. Just because Obama’s campaign may explain his voting record of “present” as a request by Planned Parenthood, does not mean that people have to accept that at face value. That is my only point. Some people may disbelieve and are free to do so.

Obama already played his card on Abotion he believes that a mother should be able abort a baby even after it is delivered. He voted in favor of not saving viable babies in Illionis!!
No social Conservative could vote for him and still say they are social conservative!!

Conservatives’ sympathy with Hillary “the fighter,” is of course, symptomatic of the illness within the conservative movement. There once was a political philosophy with intellectual merit.
But of late conservatism’s ‘proponents’ have convinced themselves that ‘conservatism’ is defined by pugnacity. In this form, the philosophy is little more than vapid cynicism.

Do we need anymore proof that Ms. Clinton has run a disgusting, Rove like campaign?
It seems she has impressed the right wing conservatives. I really cannot understand what her supporters are thinking, but to me, her lies, the arrogance, the distortions, the attack against her fellow party candidate, the pandering, the slash and burn politics, all remind me, of the Bush campaign in 2000, and his disgusting attacks on McCain, just to win the nomination.
I guess these conservatives can see that too.

It’s a good thing she knows how to run this type of campaign because that is exactly what the Dems will be up against in the general election and Obama hasn’t a clue. A vote for Obama in the primary is a vote for McCain come November. If Hillary is the nominee, it is likely Obama will be on the ticket as the VP where he will get the education he needs to win in eight years. It’s time for sone long-term planning like this if we’re going to win and keep the White House for the time it will take to undo the damage of the Bush Administration.

The tipping point for conservatives was when she called economists ‘elites’. Hillary Clinton: Rush Limbaugh’s evil twin sister!

all this talk of pandering. what exactly do the bho supporters think he has done with the black vote?

Obama is an underhanded, vicious and NEGATIVE strategist. He’s trying to bury Hillary and has been on the attack since day one. He’s the most Negative of the 3, he just denies it.
Think about it. he spends 1/2 of his speech trashing Hillary, the US Government and McCain… then the next half saying how Negative they are and how the USA has been going down for 30 years, and ony Bo can save the day. He’s a fear monger — while denying it — a double talker and hoodwinker.

Ironically, Hillary Clinton has come to personify all that is wrong with America. She is more dangerous than George Bush Jr. America will be punished for picking this woman whose hunger for power will eventually bring her and the nation down.

I really need to come up with a scam to bilk all these gullible Clinton supporters out of their money. If they’ll believe her lies, they’ll certainly believe mine.

christopher london,
give me a break…un-vetted? if bho had been vetted his campaign would never have started…his rascist book; tucc, reverend wright, and moss; rezko; ayers and dorhn, home grown, unrepentent terrorists; auchi; kalem el-hady, international terrorist financier; marxist father; rebel cousin, with ethnic clensing to his name; dual citizenship with kenya; race baiting; “68 lies obama said”-google it–; his wife; and the list could go on. most problems people have with hillary are bill’s issues, they are not running as a pair any more than bho and his wife. and, if you want to pair them, google the clinton presidency and you will find pages of accomplishments, and a president who left office with a 65% approval rating.

Christopher London, As a sometimes Hillary basher I also find it fascinating that my posts sometimes disappear. I am not one to believe anything sinister is occurring. It is just a fact. If anything, I think the media has bent off backwards trying to be fair to both candidates…Of course, I believe in attempting to do so they are not holding HRC’s feet to the fire lately as much as they should be….but I do think the major media outlets (minus FOX) attempt to be fair.

indy voter: that is a fair comment. But I also think that the Clinton’s have skillfully persuaded many in the media that they have alrady been vetted and that fraud, immorality and questionable relationships that they have are off limits in this election cycle. There are just way too many, to coin a phrase, inconvenient truths, about the Clintons. Hillary has LIED about every single substantive issue on this campaign and it is my FIRM POSITION that more than simply lying, she is DEFRAUDING THE WORKING CLASS IN AMERICA. The latest pander on the gas tax and how she labeled learned Economists Elitists when the reality is that to be well regarded Economist requires years of study and CHIEF EXECUTIVES like a President, a Mayor or a Governor are supposed to be able to call on the experience and judgment of learned professionals to make decisions. What Hillary is saying is do not trust anyone who is educated. That itself is so damn disgusting.

Genna is 100% correct, except that I would also add that Hillary is not just alienating black voters who have been loyal constituents of the Democratic Party, she is alienating the educated, the enlightened and even people like me who went door to door in New Hampshire for the Clinton/Gore Ticket in 1992 and voted for Bill twice. Now Hillary wants to torch the party if they do give her what she wants? Hillary did not just lose my vote, she completely aliented me by labeling all thinking educated professionals “Elitists” and running a campaign that would have made Lee Atwater, Karl Rove & Jessie Helms proud. She has turned me into someone who will become an activist to remove her from her NY Senate Seat. She will not ever gain re-election.

Hillary Clinton is doing McCain’s work for him — slashing Barack Obama. I wonder what the McCain campaign is paying her. Maybe a promise to go lightly if she is (I dread) the nominee.

Question for the devout: are you aware of every word that has been uttered out of your religious leaders’ mouths over the last decade? If you said yes, you’re a liar. If you said no, you’re a hypocrite. Fun game, eh?

It’s difficult to believe that people who think that Obama “will unite us” can actually be so stupid. NO far-left winger can ever unite a nation that is basically conservative at it’s heart. Anyone who thinks so just doesn’t understand the country they live in. America has kicked more left wingers to the curb than you can shake a stick at. Don’t think so? Ask George McGovern and Eugene McCarthy. They didn’t just lose, they disappeared completely.

What’s missing from all of this right wing punditry is any mention of the fact that Hillary Clinton is consciously serving as John McCain’s surrogate. She knows that she cannot win the Democratic nomination, so she is softening up Obama for the general election. Why, you may ask, would she behave so traitorously? Quite simply, it is because the Clintons, as the standard bearers for the DLC (which is the corporate wing of the Democratic Party), fear the progressive wing of their own party more than they fear the Republican Party. Once the progressives gain control of the party, the corporatists will lose prestige and influence.
There has been much speculation about whether Hillary might run as McCain’s running mate on the Republican ticket. That would be hysterically funny, given the fact that many Republicans view the Clintons as Satan’s footsoldiers.