Democratic Leaders Pushing to Avoid Convention Fight

So pick the least best candidate and be done with it. Do not let Florida vote! Do not let the American public choose. Do away with the democratic way and do not hear its citizens. You candidate has “BO”, tied to corruption, tied to a radical church and its beliefs, flip flops daily, has little experience and will cause the biggest racial divide in history in the US—oh yes, select the black man NOT because he is the best candidate but because he is black. I have a suggestion. I know many black men that are well educated, and would be much better suited for this job and I would be willing to vote for any of them instead of OBAMA. It is not that OBAMA is black it is that OBAMA is tainted because of his background. You will never be able to sell him to the American public. The Democrats will loose.

Anna they ARE picking the BEST candidate her dirty laundry would be part of this election and she would never beat Mc Cain in fact the rep wanted her she was easier to beat ….I know trhat is hard for you to understand but true.Stop your crying and get on with this election.You are a racist too huh???? What the hey difference does the color of your skin meanyour gender meanall this is an excuse forall the stupid people to CRY andsay as HILLY does. She lost and did it herself geeeeeeeeee.All by herself .

also how do you argue against a war you voted for?

Bill will not allow anyone other than a Clinton to become a Democratic Party president. His legacy is on the line.
Bill and Hillary will scream and destroy the party is Hillary is not the candidate.
Bill has repeatedly said he is the “greatest Democrat president ever”.

thats right hillary count all the votes!

Reid, Pelosi and Dean making the decision for millions? Huh, that’s weird.

First black president?
WHITE + BLACK = BLACK or this?:
MULATTO: Is a person of mixed black and white ancestry or the offspring of one white parent and one black parent or someone 50% black and 50% white.

The deal is to SPIN it so that Michigan and Florida have some delegates, but cannot hurt the beloved Obama or help Clinton in any way.
Sooner or later the republican media is going to be all over the truth of what has happened here .
The party insiders chose the nominee regardless if he is the weaker candidate.
Obama is going to have to spend the summer and fall not only fighting Mc
Cain and the republicans, but fight the republican 527s who will forever try to fan the anger of the Clinton supporters.
The guy will have to continually fight to keep the Clintons supporters from defecting

Nancy Pelosi and Howard Dean need to stop pushing Obama as the nominee. No one made Kennedy quit prior to the convention. Who the h*** do they think they are. Why did everyone have to go thru all of this madness if they have the power to push Hillary out. Jealousy. Can’t stand it. I hope I have the chance to see her & him out of office next election. I don’t know what Obama has on them but it must be good. Both look like jerks. If you push her out McCain will win. I will get out myself door to door campaigning for John McCain. “I will step in.” Jerks!!!!

Maybe part of the problem with Pelosi, Dean and Reid is that they ARE afraid of a fight, ANY kind of a fight. It’s easy to pick on the Clintons when Pelosi and crew have most of the Dems siding with Obama now, but then the Democrats seem to be very proficient at backstabbing each other. They have accomplished absolutely nothing with a majority in Congress over the past 2 years. For all of their complaining, they are the ones who didn’t want to talk impeachment of President Bush, and now they are crying about avoiding a convention fight. Maybe that is exactly what we need to get some of these politicans off of their behinds and getting something done other than just releasing election year hot air. They all make me sick, and I think Hillary Clinton should run as an independent after the way she has been treated this year by the press as well as her own party. If Obama gets elected, let’s see how much “change” he actually has accomplished a year from November. He won’t be able to claim he has no support then as most of the Washington insiders seem to be supporting him now. I’m sure his supporters will blame that on the Clinton’s too.

I remember when Ted Kennedy was running for pres., his campaign had people all over the city of Chicago. I came home from work and a man practically accosted me, telling me to vote for Kennedy. Then, when it came time to vote, this man was standing outside of the polling place telling everyone to vote for Kennedy. The police didn’t even chase him away. If it’s alright for Kennedy, then it’s all right for Hillary. I hope it isn’t too late when they finally find out all the horrible things about Mr. BO and there are alot yet to come. Why, he wouldn’t even have become a senator if he hadn’t run against a republican from Maryland. And Rezko’s money helped him.

Tuesday, May 27, 2008
Clinton Campaign, Surrogates, DNC April 1992: Screw the remaining states, the race is over
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And don’t forget that back in 1992, they had FAR more states that hadn’t voted since the primaries started in March, as compared to January this year. Jed has a lot more quotes, but these are the best:
“It’s mathematically impossible for Brown to get the nomination.”
– Clinton spokesman George Stephanopoulos on Clinton’s last foe (NYT, 4/8/92)
“It’s time to close ranks. We cannot wait until July when we already know who has earned the right to be our nominee and who will be our nominee.”
– West Virginia Sen. Jay Rockefeller (NYT, 4/11/92)
“I cannot imagine a set of circumstances that would keep Bill Clinton from having a majority of the delegates by the end of the primary season.”
– Democratic Party Chairman Ronald H. Brown (NYT, 4/29/92)
“Mr. Brown added that he had long hoped for an early nominee ‘so we can focus our time and attention on George Bush.’”
– NYT, 4/29/92
So when Bill Clinton said the other day that never has a candidate been treated so disrespectfully, he lied. Surprise.
Labels: bill clinton, hillary clinton

Put Hillary on the ticket, and you avoid a fight.

So the DNC is looking to shut us up and shut us down…we will be leaving the party, taking our money, our support and our VOTES!
We will never vote for BO Barry, NEVER!The McCain campaign will be glad to have us dance at Johns inauguration.

I read on one of the other blogs that Hillary will run as a third party if not given DNC approval. I am probably getting it wrong but I would like to know if anyone has heard this.It might be time for a good third party canidate

“We agree there won’t be a fight at the convention”. You ain’t calling the shots, Harry, and neither is Nancy girl. Ten bucks say it’s worse than that, Harry boy.

The title of this news item should have been : “Democratic leaders pushing Hillary out and along with her 20 million of her supporters”.
The text of the article should have said: “Harry the clueless Reid, and Nancy Paleo-Losi are absolutely committed to ensure a McCain landslide in November by supporting Obomination”.

Pelosi needs to go back where she came from. The Dems have just lost a lot of voters. Good Luck you guys your going to need it. Go McCain.

long-term democrat – maybe her 20 million supporters could pay a dollar a piece to bail Hillary’s campaign out of debt!!! They still owe my hometown $55 million for their “visits”
here.

Why didn’t the DNC let Florida and Michigan do a revote when there wre many prominent Dems who was willing to raise the money .Howard Dean is a idiot .And every vote needs to count .Just because the Demorcrat party of those states didn’t follow the rules why hurt the voters .The last I look on a map Florida and Michigan was in the United States .LET THE PEOPLE VOTE !!!

So…now the DNC is being told what to do by Reid and Pelosi and the heck with millions of voters? Is it hard to see why I must change my party affiliation to Independent and vote for McCain after 40 yrs of faithful voting for democrats? I can not remember being this angry about being made powerless by fellow democrats. I just can’t do it anymore…you folks have finally gone too far.

Obama will be the nominee, but he will never be the president.
Hope being the nominee is enough to satisfy you guys!

You Hillary supporters really need to stop throwing temper tantrums. It’s embarrassing and she’s embarrassing too. Half the country supports Obama so don’t say that Obama is being pushed on us. And Hillary will never run as a third party. First she doesn’t have the money and she has to pay off her debt. Plus she can kiss the Clinton legacy goodbye. There is no way she would be willing to do that. If she does it just goes to show that she will do anything to win. It’s not about this country, it’s about her. I remember an interview way before super tuesday and she said she will definately be the nominee, very arrogent of her.

so it was a close race, big deal. hilary still lost according to the rules of the dnc. it is impossible for her to win. democrats finally have an opportunity to get a republican out of the white house and they want to put in the most polarizing figure in politics, hilary clinton. it is time for the party to come together and vote for the black man OBAMA!!!!!!!!!

MSG,
Hilary’s not going to be Democratic nominee so it’s either Obama or the old man.
The old man is only and option if your happy with the way thing are going.

So its ok for someone to abide by the rules regarding Fl. and Mi at a time when they felt sure the nomination was theirs
But once they no longer have the nomination its ok to disregard the rules and claim you are speaking for aLL the voters of those two states whose votes need to be counted.
How much would Hillary be championing the Florida voters had she lost there.
What hypocracy by the Clinton team.
They feel its perfectly correct for the candidate who followed his parties rules to be given zero votes because only Clinton’s name was on the ballot in Michigan. What won’t she do to win.

It seems apparent to me that there has been enough squabbling and gerrymandering, however unintentional, to bring serious doubt to the Democrats’ prospects of winning the presidency this fall. Bold actions are needed. The only way I see to unify the party is to broker a deal with Obama and Clinton on the same ticket. If Obama and Clinton really care about the country, these two need to make a sincere effort together and put their differences aside for the sake of all of us. Actual compromise needs to be brought back into the political arena, not the phony Bush-esque brand that has been anything but genuine or compromise. It’s really true, “You can’t always get what you want!” You know the rest of the song goes.

It doesn’t bother anyone that Obama played dirty politics to get into the state senate in Illinois? It is the exact opposite of what he professes to be. Watch Ac360 tonight and see if Mr. Cooper is capable of being unbiased in his reporting of this new story hitting the airwaves tonight. The SUPER D’s need to weigh this cafefully. He doesn’t have a cakewalk to the WH ahead of him. It’s closet time….what’s he hiding in there???

The Democrats are once more on a death march to losing thanks to the white wine sipping, volvo driving, latte sipping wing of the party. The bulk of the the white working class may well leave the Democratic party this election as Obama goes down in flames. Anyone remember McGovern?
And to think we had the election sown up until Obama decided he had to extend his book tour.

Obama under special investigation CNN with the rules he screwed with for his run for Senate seat in l996….TONIGHT, ON CNN ON ANDERSON COOPER, OBAMA CAMPAIGN TRIED TO STOP THIS INVESTIGATION FROM AIRING “SAYING IT IS OLD NEWS”….Thought this guy was a new kind of politics. They (BO CAMPAIGN) really tried to stop this story from airing, BUT YA ALL SHOULD KNOW BEFORE SAT, HOW OBAMA GOT VOTES IN CHICAGO…UNDERHANDED, LYING, POLITICIAN….HE’S NO CHANGE.
WATCH CNN TONIGHT AT 10:00 eastern…Anderson Cooper. This could really hurt him.
this news is so old, that is why the media is bias toward Obama. They should have aired months ago

Hillary must go to the convention
and fight back against DNC,Pelosi,Reid,
etc.She MUST speak for the 17+millions
voters.
She needs to leave the party
and run as an independent.The party
leaders must be punished.
Get even Hillary.They done wrong to you.

I talked with someone at Hillary’s camp and was told that they cannot handle the number so calls requesting that she run as an independent. Go ahead to the convention Hillary, we are with you. Or, go independent and we will with you too.

Harold Ickes, HRC campaign, could have protested the disenfranchisement in August 2007. Instead, he pushed for 100% disenfranchisement instead of just 50%. Rules are rules in this country. HRC signed off on them and now she and you want the rules changed? She was the inevitable nominee, had the most experienced staff and the most money. She blew it – had no contingency plans for after Big Tuesday and overspent. Florida and Michigan would not even have been a thought, and you really know it if you can be honest enough, until HRC needed the votes. Not a pip squeak of protest before Big Tuesday. The Constitution does not grant any of us any rights whatsoever to a primary vote or a caucus – we are a Republic. Go read up on it. Primaries and caucuses are the sole perogative of each Party. In past years, only a few States got to vote in a primary. Party insiders in other States determined the candidate of choice. One can only steal something if it already belongs to somebody. HRC did not own the nomination so trying to claim that Obama stole it is ludicrous. If HRC is the most electible how come she is not now in a position to be unbeatable? And, please do not whine to this 67 White LOL that sexism is the problem. There is a big difference between aggressive and assertive. Most women of any degree of intelligence who are, or have been in the work place know that. HRC has been aggressive in her stance, finger jabbing and statements. Downright turn off to true feminists who want a female President who has achieved on her own merits without any name recognition. Furthermore, many of her votes were from Limbaugh’s Project Chaos and switchover GOP to skew the numbers and they have admitted to it. Therefore, her ‘popular’ vote is questionable as well.

Congratulations to Senator Obama who waged an ethical and smart campaign, and treated Hillary Clinton with dignity she is unworthy of.
Sometimes good can prevail over evil, I guess!

Nicholas: I agreed. This fight is now between the DNC party and Howard Dean.

Well looks like the DEms have started comming out and showing that they are really not for a free election, pushing people to make up their mind, yeah free choice I think not.
What it looks like is they wan BO and the rest of the country wants the Hill.
Our speaks really show what they believe.

To DNC,PELOSI,REID and all the
superdelegates.
Meet me at the polls in november!!!
Millions like me WE WILL NOT vote
for Hussein Obama in november.

The only people disenfranchising Michigan and Florida are the STATE LEGISLATURES. They changed the dates. If you cannot play by the rules the you suffer the consequences. Life is a b&*&^ sorry.

This is illegal. Superdelegates do not vote until August. A pledge is not the same as an actual vote. Circumventing democracy will be met with legal action.

Hillary’s supporters, do not spend anymore time talking to Obama’s supporters. They are doing what they need to do to support him. Our time and word need to be focus on the DNC party. It they select Obama and he wins fine but the DNC party will have to deal with us today or at the convention and after until they are no longer in office.

Congratulations to Senator Obama who waged an ethical and smart campaign, and treated Hillary Clinton with dignity she is unworthy of.
_________________________________
you’re kidding, right? smart, maybe.
ethical? yeh, right. The Congrats should go the liberal suck a$$ media who rarely dare to question this guy…who rec’d passes on soooo many things that should have brought him down. Anytime someone questions his character, it’s a “distraction”…SKREEEW him.

DELEGATES ARE NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF VOTERS….BIG SURPRISE IN NOVEMBER WHEN THE DEMOCRATIC MATH DOESN’T ADD UP IN FAVOR OF THEIR GUY.

If Hillary Clinton is the “strongest candidate”, why did she lose the Democratic primary?
Could it be all of her pandering and lying? Could it be that too many Americans don’t trust her?
Gotta go – the *sniper fire* here has just picked up something fierce…

Maybe now Hillary will concede defeat! I could never understand how she initially agreed to punish FL and MI for violiting the rules, then when her campaing is losing she wants to change the rules to benefit her. Sorry Hill it doesn’t work that way…Hillary and her senior advisors ran a lousy campaign and they didn’t have a plan past Super Tue. Sen Obama is the best candidate and he will go on to deaft John McBush in the GE.

That’s right – Senator Obama’s delegate lead over Hillary is now 199. We have a winner.
Posted by: John Powalski
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IF Obambi is as great as you all think he is, why hasn’t he closed the deal?
There is NO winner until someone hits 2025. If FL and MI are included that number goes up.

HRC is playing the oldest trick in the political book. Count on the fact that most people won’t bother to educate themselves on what the law or the party rules are, lie about what they say because they don’t favor your position(under the guise of protecting the little people), and then get on your soapbox and scream “Count the votes” to whip people into a frenzy. Complete demagoguery. Just yesterday a court in Florida ruled that a political party can set whatever rules it wants for a primary – it’s not a final election for an office, it is a political primary. Everybody in Florida will vote for President in November; nobody is being disenfranchised. The DNC set the rules for its party’s nominating process, and Hillary and her representatives on the DNC voted to approve those rules, without any outrage. To call the implementation of those rules now illegal or anti-democratic just shows how ill-informed HRC’s supporters are. People: do a little research! If HRC considered the punishment of the Florida Democratic party such an outrage, where was she when the DNC made that decision MONTHS AGO? She was flying around in her corporate jet, staying at the Bellagio because she thought she had the nomination all wrapped up…and she didn’t give a rat’s butt about it. Count the votes? No, it’s count the frauds.

Bill and Hill are has-beens. The Democratic Party has moved on. I for one am jubilant that we will no longer need to see either of them on the news after June 3rd. Halleluiah!!
It’s time to support the nominee that won fair and square. For the supports that did not choose Obama from day one, it’s not too late. Come on, here’s to winning in November, and to no more years of Republican control. That includes the White House.
OBAMA!! YES WE CAN!!

Doesn’t matter about the math….she can still take it to the convention, as long as she still has 17 million + supporters behind her. My god, other men have done it for less.

New Republican says:
The DNC didn’t want Michigan & Florida to count from the beginning, because they knew the voters would go for Hillary.
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Do you realize how insane that sounds. Everyone agreed including Hillary that they wouldn’t count.

Please, y’all… yes, Obama is going to win. But no, Hillary is not a witch. Let’s lay off the sexist c**p and take the high road here. We have McBush lurking around, hoping we’ll be dumb enough to swallow the same tripe they’ve fed us for eight years. Please… let’s rally together and whatever it takes (as long as it doesn’t stoop to their levels of dehumanization and blindness) to win the White House in November.
Just another Obama-backer… but one who appreciates Hillary.

“Is this democracy in action? Why don’t they just ordain him now, since that’s who the DNC wants. Why continue with the charade of letting the voters decide?”
If that’s the way it’s going to be I am DONE with the Democratic Party! I thought we were the party of the people. But this primary season with its caucuses that give more delegates to the loser of the popular vote, and its superdelegates over-riding the votes of the people and its leadership declaring that “they” will decide has convinced me that this party doesn’t want me. They’d better hope they don’t need me. Or those like me.

Here’s a thought:
There is, in fact, no way for the DNC to choose the nominee without alienating some of the people on the other side.
Both sides have arguments (some better, some worse, but none beyond the pale) for their preferred candidate.
However, at the end of the day, the DNC must choose one candidate. That candidate must have at least two qualities:
1. They must be able to unite the Democratic Party.
2. They must be able to beat John McCain in the General Election.
As to point 2. – Polls suggest that EITHER Clinton or Obama could defeat McCain in the GE (so that settles that question, its all speculation, anyway).
So, the real question for the DNC is which of the two candidates will best be able to unite the Democratic Party?
Personally, notwithstanding grave reservations, I happen to think that candidate is Obama.
Note: the question is not who won the primaries, counting one way, Hillary did, counting another, Obama has. The question is not who can win the general election, both can. The question is who can best unite the Democratic Party. I think it is Obama.

j – you are just one of those that enjoys being used without getting anything in return. Bless you, and maybe you need to take a nap and try it again…

catleya, who is they? Wasn’t Hillary all but ordained by the press before the race started? No one thought Obama had a chance back then!

Debra: While you HRC supporters are in DC looking like a 1960′s rock star fan club because you cannot accept rules, Obama has asked his supporters to stay away, though some probably will not, and go and start signing up new voters instead. So, for every one of you lot who may really be GOP supporters anyway, he will have a new Dem voter to replace you! So, bye bye!

Darell,
If you look on ABC’s main page, with FL and MI included she is ahead in the popular vote. Clinton 17,410,209
Obama 17,234,194.

Hillary and Barack knew that Florida and michigan broke the rules by having early elections. You morons that want Hillary to capitalize from those votes regardless of those two illegal elections are pathetic!How is it the will of the people or the popular vote when people were told their vote wouldn’t count. I have family members in florida that didnt vote because of this and OBAMA WAS NOT ON THE BALLOT IN MICHIGAN YOU MORONS SO HOW IS THAT FAIR. Bottom line is Clinton is desperate and you 90′s zombies that follow her are empty shells.She said out of her own mouth these contests wouldn’t count but now she wants them to count when she needs them. She expected this nomination contest to be wrapped up in Feb. and was so arrogant she wasn’t prepared for that.Do you think she would . Every state matters. Not Just The Big Ones. He won more states. He is a newcomer and has run more than neck and neck with her.It is obvious that Obama and mcCain are running two different agenda. Even though she is a liar and selfish, her and obama are running for the same type of government.McCain is the complete opposite. if you were planning to support her than swith to McCain out of soreness you are dumb.I do not like her at all personally, but I would not vote for mcCain if Hillary won fair and square like Obama has.Hillary is not nor is she bigger than the democratic party.Remember that.Neither is Obama.
Obama 08

louielouie: When we vote Nancy and the other into office, it was our understanding that they would clean up this mess made the Bush, from our men and women home and impeach him. Our men and women at still at war, no hears that account for any results, no impeachment process against Bush and Cheney. And, it was Nancy that stroke down the impeachment idea from other leaders within the party. This Democrat party has done nothing and need to go home.

She said it herself. This is personal for her. She is putting all of us and the Democratic Party behind her personal goal…to become the first female President—at any cost! Even recalling the historical significance of RFK to insinuate her personal justification to destroy Senator B. Obama and the Democratic party for her personal issues. She IS A MEGALOMANIAC.

I voted in FLORIDA because it was the primary and I knew that the democrats would not be so stupid that they would ignore our votes.
Funny how 1.7 MILLION people(more than all the caucus states)voted in our primary. More than ever before! We voted because we KNEW that our votes would make an impact.
Go ahead and ignore our votes. They will be counted in November with a win for McCain! 2000 all over again.
Keep your rules and you get your rules and a republican president!

Willie, I do understand your frustration with our Democratic congress not being able to fix everything quickly. I share that pain and longed for impeachment, too! But realistically, Bush spent years making this mess, and vetoes much of their work. It will take time for us to clean it all up, unfortunately. But I still think the Dems will do more to make things better than the Reps. McCain will not be a change for the better. Though I back Obama (and am currently unhappy with Hillary) I would still vote for Hillary over McCain. Their stands on the issues are not that different.

louielouie:
I suspect Clinton’s supporters are seeing red because they feel certain leaders in the Democratic Party have played a little loose with the rules. Sure, the DNC has acted within its rights to exclude Michigan and Florida, but somehow those decisions have always favored one candidate – Obama.
Florida should never have been excluded in the first place, since it was not the Florida Democratic Party that moved up their state primary, it was the Republican controlled Florida State Legislature. So, the votes of Florida Democrats have been dismissed because of the actions of the Repubican party!
As to MI. Michigan Democrats violated the rules, and the Michigan primary was rightly disqualified. However, there was a chance to repair that situation by holding a second primary – Hillary was willing, Obama said no.
When DNC Chairman Howard Dean says (quoting the above article): “We agree there won’t be a fight at the convention,” he said, later adding that “simple math indicates” Barack Obama is likely to become the Democratic nominee” Hillary’s supporters see red.
The math, such as it is, is an accident of a fundamentally defective process. Those defects have always favored Obama.
When DNC leaders like Pelosi, Dean, and Reid push “the math” and then add lets make our decision now, they are clearly saying – ignore the defects – lets just get on with it and coronate Obama.
I can understand that Clinton’s supporters would find this upsetting.
I say this, as someone who is more inclined to favor Obama’s claim to the nomination. ;-)

Hillary Clinton is not the Democratic Party and the whole world does not revolve around her FACT
Either she gets with the democratic program or she suffers political isolation. In the pecking order of rank among the senators she is 36, no power no glory. political realities.
Obama 08

What is so wrong about us finally having a choice? Is everyone so complacent that they just want everything done in two seconds. Our world has turned into a society of give it to me now, new and what’s next…
Our young portion of society add another element to this…what’s in it for me. So what if the election process is long? Oh I see, for those of you who see your candidate as the right choice want that shoved down our throats without going through the process. I do not want to be like China, Saudi nations, or any other country that doesn’t want its people to have choices. I am proud of Hillary staying in this race until the end. I am so sick of Obama.

Bho will lock in alright, but he has locked into a loser’s club as well.
It’s a pity that a phony hypocrite has to be chosen as the nominee to lose a sure win in November.

louielouie: I will accept Obama only if Nancy, Howard Dean and other DNC leaders are out of office. They have created this mess too by just saying on their a@@@. They have both the houses and need more time. No more time for them. If Obama or Hillary wins they will just F### Obama or Hillary too like they have done us. No more time for them. I am sick of their action.

Fact Checker,
I commend you for explaining that. It’s nice to see an Obama supporter with some sense for a change.

louielouie: You are not accurate when you say Bush Vetoes all they have tried to do he has only used his veto power 9 times. Only 14 presidents have used their veto power fewer times than Bush, and only one president since the start of the 20th century has issued fewer vetoes. The fact is the Democratic party was all talk and so far no action. If you really want to pin it down the economy has been on a steady decline since when 2006 and what happened in 2006 that’s right the Democrats won the majority of the House and a Virtual tie in the Senate. .

Belle,Why aren’t you mad over the way Hillary ran her campaign? She was the final say over every decision. Why are you blaming everybody but the right person? That would be Hillary.

Sen Clinton is only ahead when you count FL and MI (where he wasn’t on ballot) AND you EXCLUDE the caucuses…..Sen clinton likes to act like she cares about FL/MI, she doesn’t or she wouldn’t want to disenfranchise 4 entire states and the poor people in MI and FL that didn’t vvote because they KNEW it didn’t count….She should worry about her NY Senate seat – she may lose it

Obama a uniter, what a joke, he can’t even unite the Democratic Party or haven’t you noticed? If Obama wanted to unite us, why didn’t he come out instantly to discredit the weird Kennedy Assassination stories, no he waited three days? History has proven that it is always up to the swing states, and Hillary has that locked up.

Pelosi wnats to be the most powerful woman in the U.S., she’s a b*tch!

Hillary Clinton chose to vote for the greatest military disaster in history because she was afraid to lose her congressional seat. If you can’t take a stand at a moment like that(to damn with politics), than you have no principles. then you are truly a flip flopper.
That in my book makes her unworthy to ever be president.

Obama won more states! Bill likes to say she is winning the general election. The general election is in November.Bill must be confused.He cannot be misleading. After all he didn’t inhale and he did not have sexual relations with that woman.Come on America. Do you really want to put this family back in the White House? Are the Clintons the only ones that can save democratic America? is that all we have?

The super delegates were designed to pick the person they thought was the strongest candidate and could win the election.
Dean, Pelosi and Reid have no business pushing this process along nor do they have the right to come out and say that they should vote how the people they represent voted. They are there to exercise independent judgment.

Hillary leaves Democrat Party.
Run Independent.

There is no doubt in my mind that many posters in these comment sections are Republicans posing as Democrats and spewing misinformation in an effort to make it appear that the Democratic Party has been irreparably damaged by the extended primary campaign and cannot win the general election no matter who is the party’s nominee. Well, the truth is that any real American knows that either Obama or Clinton would make a great President. Furthermore, the mere fact that one of them will win the Democratic nomination according to the rules governing such that have been in place for a long time is not going to cause supporters of the loser to rush to support McSame. As proof that this won’t happen, I offer the latest Zogby poll, which shows that Obama has pulled out to a 10 point lead over McSame in the last week. And, I believe this gap will widen considerably once the primaries are over and Sen. Clinton throws her support behind Obama (it does appear at this point that Obama will be the duly chosen nominee). However, the same would happen, if Sen. Clinton won the nomination and Obama threw his support behind her. The GOP is already deathly afraid of the November elections because they see the Democratic landslide in the making. Following the lead of such brilliant GOP luminaries as Rush Limbaugh, the Republicans think they can confuse the electorate one more time to the point of making the wrong choice in November. Well, I have news for them, it isn’t going to happen. The American People know exactly what the Bush Administration’s policies have done to harm them. And, they’re not foolish enough to put into office a senile, old man, who is promising nothing more than to continue those policies.

Another way to look at this –
McCain is running for Bush’s 3rd term and Hillary is running for Bill’s 3rd term. You can see how badly he/she wants it. The do anything mentality to get my/their way.
Let’s have change, no more years of the same that we would get from either of the former ruling families – no more Bush and no more Clintons.

There was a Clinton supporter on FOX today who will be in Washington along with 10,000 other Hillary supporters to voice their displeasure at how this whole process clearly sucks (unlike Republicans who have a simple winner take all). That is just the tip of the ice burg they (DNC) are not worrying about. Her supporters don’t matter, they’re quieter….and this supporter said she would work as hard for McCain as she has for Hillary. Me too. I wonder how many millions of us there are? The exit polls in November will be FASCINATING.

I’m sorry to disagree with you, but Bush and McCain ARE the same. They are both marionettes of the Republican dynasty, manipulated by the likes of Karl Rove and Scooter Libbey.
Just look at the exposure Scott McClellan has done on the Republican propaganda mechanism.

Maybe after Senator Clinton is elected President he can sign a bill requiring all state leaders to take a class on running their primaries, with Florida and Michigan being put top on the list! Seriously, if you live in one of these states make your leaders accountable. There’s nothing the rest of us in the country can do to help and just getting mad on a message board after the fact does no good.

Truth Be Told: The DNC party needs to feel our pain today, tomorrow, the next day and the day of the general election. I want them to worry every single day until the day of the general election of their pick for the Democrat party. No sleep for the Nancy, Dean, and other.

Michael,
Again, Obama DOES NOT have 2025. That number goes up if they count FL an MI. Until he gets those numbers NOBODY has won anything.

I just got another pledge card from the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC), this one with a letter from John Edwards. Tuesday I got one with a plea from Nancy Pelosi. I’m sending them both back in their postage paid envelopes with the note “Remember Florida and Michigan- when you restore democracy in the party I might might once again consider sending more money and voting for Democrats”
I live in Georgia

THE DEMOCRAT BOSSES ARE SHOVING OBAMA DOWN OUR THROATS….PERIOD.
HILLARY SUPPORTERS WILL THROW-UP OBAMA ON THE DEMOCRAT BOSSES IN NOVEMBER…PERIOD

Yo Why Not: In answer to your question, it is because they are living in the same state as Hillary: DENIAL!!!

Clinton supporters…open your eyes and be sentiment free of this thing! It doesn´t help your very course to wanna destroy your own party because your candidate has lost!!
Why all the cheap and irritating hate against Obama? What has this young face of Hope and Change in this critical period of our National history(just like Bill Clinton was), done to you folks?? This is really really unprecedentedly sad even though you all know how Senator Clinton has mismanaged and gaffed off her own campaign until today!
I was supporting her but I think the fact she´s not yet ready to be graceful in defeat is a turn off. It wasn´t creed by God that she pursues another Clinton Dynasty pleeaassse! Stand the higher ground to put a democrat in the White House otherwsie your very consciences will route you like vampires tomorrow!
A word to a wise is sufficient!! Obama 08

I was reading an article the other day that the DNC does not have all the money needed to put the convention on. Maybe Obambi can cough up some of his money.

Thanks for nothing DNC. I will be voting for McCain in the Fall…And I live in Virginia.
Hillary 08!

By why is there even a debate? Constitutional law is unequivocal. Every vote cast must be counted. This constitutional principle, pronounced by the United States Supreme Court since Ex parte Yarborough (1884) and reiterated as recently as Gray v. Sanders (1963), is simply beyond reproach. This rock-bottom constitutional demand applies to primaries as well as general elections. United States v. Classic (1941). Deliberately refusing to count votes cast may, under certain fact scenarios, constitute a Federal crime, United States v. Classic, citing now Section 241 of the Federal Crimes Code. Reiterating black letter law stated in Harper v. Virginia Board of Elections (1966), the high court reasserted in Bush v. Gore (2000) that “once granted the right to vote on equal terms, the State may not, by later arbitrary and disparate treatment, value one person’s vote over that of another.”
Dean/Obama/Brazille/Pelosi have turned against the Democratic Wing of the Democratic Party.
Sen. Arlen Specter (R-PA), now the Senate Judiciary’s ranking minority member, asserted to us in an exclusive interview, that although as a learned attorney he remains obliged to see “how it plays out,” that “it may well be worthwhile” to hold Congressional hearings on the Democrats’ refusal to seat Florida and Michigan at the Democratic National Convention. “It’s certainly something I want to consider,” said Specter, ruefully hinting things might be different if he was still the Judiciary Chairman. “The essence of democracy is the right to vote,” asserted Specter

Newsflash: The SDs have chosen. Some haven’t declared because they gave you and your candidate the respect and freedom to keep this torture going as long as it could. Once again, its wrong if its not your way. Once again, crying about how cruel the world is. Once again, the media keeps reporting that news stuff that keeps making your battle look like a bad one. Do yourself a favor…flip over to Fox, where THEY LOVE Hillary. They love every minute that she is around.

J: That is true. Five weeks ago, the DNC has asked Obama for his list of high-level supporters and for him to write a letter on their behalf to money. It was until last week that they asked Hillary for her list. This is way; the media was thinking there would be a Hillary/Obama ticket. The DNC normally do not ask for supporter lists until after they have a nominee for the party.

Obama says one thing and does another. He is the one who fought against allowing FL and MI to be counted earlier so it worked to his advantage. Now isn’t he gracious to allow them to count when it is too late to make a difference. What a sweetie!!

I am not a wright suppoter but I understand some of his views and they are not anti American. They are anti the greed, self righteosness and murderous ways that many of our white yes white citizens have acted over the years.He gave it to you straight with no chaser and many white americans are not used to that.Yes, beleive it or not some black AMERICANS are “bitter” and we cling to our guns and religion to express our frustrations

“Slippery Hillary” will do anything to steal the nomination, whether it is ethical or not. If you can’t win by the rules just change the rules, right Hillary?

Jason…you are so right and I remember hearing a guy on cable news say just that. This election WILL be up to her and how she handles her supporters. Thing is…I’m an American first and Hillary supporter second. I will NEVER vote Obama, she could get on her knees and plead with the millions of us….we won’t.
She really should stay neutral and say what Michelle Obama was quoted as saying when asked if she could vote for Hillary….”I don’t know”. Ferraro has been on the news saying that all week. She doesn’t know if she can vote for Obama. Hillary should be honest, break from the party and run as Indie in 2012.

TV…too bad there are only 14% of Americans (blacks) who think like you…not enough to win an election.

Anne,
Thanks for your thoughts. I will not vote for Obama either if Hillary gives up this race. I can’t wait to see Obama suffers from a humiliating defeat in November. DNC will learn the hard way!

I’m a lifelong Democrat and I’m amazed at the Hillary supporters who are threatening to vote for McCain in the fall. Have you folks actually looked at McCain’s positions on the issues?
I voted for Obama in my state’s primary, but I have always felt that if Hillary was the nominee I would vote for her in the general election. The Democrats must prevail in November; the world cannot afford a “third Bush term.” Do you really want to punish the whole country just because your candidate lost? Are your hurt feelings worth sinking another four years into the quagmire of Iraq?

I am voting for my country not for the party. I don’t feel that Obama is the best candidate. I have never voted Republican. I have two options 1. Stay home or 2. Vote McCain.

Well said matt! Lets hear McCain and Obama debate about what’s the best direction for this country to take and then let us make a decision in November.
Hillary ran a poor campaign after she flaunted herself as the inevitable candidate in ’07 and said she “would be the nominee” after super Tuesday. She sanguinely pronounced Florida wouldn’t count and now she is a masquerading as the defender of the disenfranchised? And to my amazement people are buying this Blatant Political Hail Mary!! Its totally beyond me. Its time to move on… She needs to start taking notes from Romney’s gracious way of bowing out of the race. Even Huckabee did a better job of exiting the race.
McCain or Obama ’08 after June 3.

Lee
I agree totally! Obama will be the appointed nominee. The Party leaders and Obama are a disgrace to the party. Hillary needs to go all the way to the convention and then go Independent if necessary! Hillary needs to show everyone that they can’t push her out…

J,
Got it right.
I guess lots of Dems will do too.

To Obama supporters,
You can spend hundred years talking good about Mr. Hope and change as much as you want, over 17,000,000 Americans won’t buy your scraps! Do a “real survey” to see how many Hillary’s supporters will cross the aisle to vote for John McCain or will stay home in November. This number has increased day by day!
6 more months from today, don’t think that we will change our minds and be united under your Jerk Obama!NEVER!

It is ironic that by spliting the party the Democrats could be responsible for the Supreme Court overturning Roe v Wade. We might want to get our act together.

HELLO:
you write: “just keep hoping the dozen or so crazy posters on here do not represent a real backlash against Obama in November.”
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My sentiments exactly!;-)
I do suspect that many (if not all) of these self-styled “defectors” must be Republican plants who are trying to “stir up the pot.”
My only other explanation is that these “defectors” have never actually looked at McCain’s political history and future policies. If such “defectors” truly understood Hillary and her policies, they would recognize that the single, best way to KILL those policies is to vote for McCain.
You can be sure that if Obama is the Democratic nominee, Hillary Rodham Clinton will be voting for him in the General Election, whatever her so-called “supporters” decide.

“McCain is not interested in overturning Roe v. Wade.” – Susan
Well you better hope that the Supreme Court justices he appoints feels the same way. I have a feeling that IF McCain does get into office, the chances of him putting in Pro-Choice justices are pretty slim.

You talk about the feminists’ votes when the only woman candidate has been disrespected by Obama and all his supporters. Give me a break sweetie.

HELLO:
you write: “just keep hoping the dozen or so crazy posters on here do not represent a real backlash against Obama in November.”
Hey all you imbeciles who think all of the Hillary supporters on this blog are Republican plants. Don’t kid yourselves!
In November the only blue state (thank you Truth Be Told) will be Illinois.
Yeah, November will be the biggest backlash you’ve ever seen. Just wait.

I think she is trying to anger the “white” working class vote to the point where someone goes out and does something stupid. She is sending the signals. Her and Bill. and let’s not forget Mike huckabees statement. He knew what he was doing he was just surprised he got caught.Mike, Hill and Bill 3 southern rednecks that want to put that colored boy back in his place.
America deserves better than the good ole boys and an Annie okley wanna be running the country.America needs to stamp a symbolic seal of growth and broadcast it to the world by voting for Obama. Colin Powell may have been better but we need to start somewhere. I seriously doubt Obama will be as bad as the current administration. What he has done in garnering support in this campaign should muster some insight. Obama raised money . Hillary owes money.McCain barely has any money. Economy is written all over that. Who is the better money manager? The proof is in the pudding. And for all of McCain and Hillary’s experience why is America in all the mess it is in now? They are making it very clear they are a part of a system that is a problem. Obviously they do not know how to fix it. 25 – 40 years experience and look at America today.Their experience has us paying 4.00 a gallon gas, in iraq and in a mortgage crises. They are not the solution. They are the problem.

long-term democrat
Sorry if my post struck you as arrogant.
If you’ve read some of the more scurrilous posts on this blog supporting Hillary, thretening defection to McCain, and trashing Obama, I think you’d understand why I suspect them of being plants, i.e. false “defectors”, who are actually Republicans just trying to stir up division within the Democratic party.
I take it you count yourself among the “honest defectors”
Enlighten me, where are the points of similarity between Clinton’s political agenda & McCain’s political agenda, that you feel you can vote for McCain just as easily as Clinton, but “heaven forbid” never that “arrivistes” scoundrel Obama!:-)

KC – do you know how many presidents won without winning the majority of states? That means very little.

Whale Hunter,
Polls don’t mean anything. Look how many times they have been wrong in these primary races.

He hasn’t closed the deal because of REV. Wright, Hillary Clinton and white fright.

HELLO:
By the way, Hon….
______________________
“Here’s looking at you kid”;-)

TYPO CORRECTED SORRY:
I REALLY HOPE THE CLINTON’S COME TO TERMS WITH THE REALITY THAT HE IS GOING TO BE THE NOMINEE. I HOPE OBAMA OFFERS HER A REALLY LARGE ROLE IN HIS ADMINISTRATION BECAUSE SHE HAS WORKED AND CAMPAIGNED VERY HARD. TIME TO HEAL AND UNITE!! OBAMA 2008

Why do people blame the DNC for Hillary’s downfall. She only has herself to blame. She had no plan after Super Tuesday, ran out of money and is in deep debt now. She needs to quit blaming it on everyone else and accept responsibility that she ran a bad campaign.

Whale Hunter,
We’ll see. I really don’t care because Obambi won’t win in November.

First let it be said once again. FL & MI violated party rules and are suffering for it. No one (including Obama) twisted their arms to make them violate the rules. All this talk about disenfranchisement is silly; if you knew what would happen when you broke the rules it seems STUPID to ack as if there was a conspiracy when it goes down. Now Hillary on the other hand had no problem with FL & MI until she discovered that she was no longer the heir apparent. What will we teach the youth if you tell them that there are rules but you can break them if you want, just have a candy-ass argument at the ready just in case anyone notices. Reason tells one that “adults” are the ones who are allowed to vote. No one should have to candy coat anything for “adults”, you break the rules you pay the price period. Hillary and Bill had no proplems with the rules when they worked in their favor but…..Ohhhhhh nelly do they ever now. It doen’t serve them or the american people well to play fast and loose with the rules, but hey win at any cost right. Seems disgustingly unamerican to me.

Some self-styled Clinton democrats on this blog are threatening to defect to McCain if Obama getst the nomination.
I asked in an ealier post, but let me ask again:
Enlighten me, where are the points of similarity between Clinton’s political agenda & McCain’s political agenda, that you feel you can vote for McCain just as easily as Clinton, but “heaven forbid” never that “arrivistes” scoundrel Obama!:-)
If Obama is the Democratic nominee, you can be sure Hillary Rodham Clinton will be voting for him in Novemeber, whatever her so-called, former “supporters” decide.

For all you folks questioning if I’m a real Democrat. YES. I’ve been a loyal registered Democrat and even voted for JFK and George McGovern. Let’s talk about why I’m shifting my vote to McCain. I hate it, but I will NOT vote for Obama.
Obama will raise your taxes (even the middle income).
Hillary stated clearly that she would not raise taxes on the middle income, but only on those who make in excess of $250,000 a year.
McCain will not raise your taxes either and has pledged against it.
Now, let’s talk about where I live. I live in Southern California. Hillary took California decisively in the primary.
Now, let’s talk about whether there’s going to be a massive backlash in this country come November.
YES. Hillary supporters are disillusioned by the DNC, Howard Dean, Nancy Pilosi and Harry Reid. Many of us will not vote for Obama because he and his wife have demonstrated that they have a clear agenda that certainly doesn’t include the white blue collar worker or to some extent the middle class.
For all of you folks that think that we are racist, this couldn’t be further from the truth, but we will not support a candidate like Obama no matter the color of his skin.
WE ARE THE BLUE COLLAR AND MIDDLE CLASS WORKERS OF AMERICA AND WE WILL NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES VOTE FOR A MAN WHO WILL DESTROY THIS COUNTRY.

Nice Job Patriot: I Agree & I heard it loud and clear too !
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Obama will raise your taxes (even the middle income).
Hillary stated clearly that she would not raise taxes on the middle income, but only on those who make in excess of $250,000 a year.

At least with McCain and Hillary there is a history that I can judge and I know that they love our country. I’m not sure what Obama and his wife think ..
Posted by: susan
I AGREE… AND WE CAN’T TAKE A RECKLESS CHANCE ON OBAMA TO BE PRESIDENT.
HILLARY OR MCCAIN…NO OBAMA

Yes DNC thinks that no matter what is said democrates will vote Dem in Nov. Media thinks Woman, Latins, Asians, blue collar workers, the over 65 group and other Hillary supporters will vote dem…that is why they are forcing the issue…but hopefully people will realize Obama is inexperience, a phoney and a hyped up made up candidate and stay the course either do a write in or vote for Mccain in Novemeber..

It is unclear how many of the posters here are genuine; I don’t know if many of you have realized that some of the posters have taken opposing positions in this very blog (as well as on other blogs) without even bothering to change their name. I find it very hard to believe that any rational voter here who supported either Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton on the basis of their positions on major issues facing OUR Nation or ability to lead this Nation would easily
switch their votes to John McCain. For those who oppose the continuation of the Iraq war, want a reversal of the economic policy that the Bush administration has enacted over the last 7 years, and/or are pro-choice, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are in agreement on these issue; John McCain is takes the complete opposite position.

You are delusional if you think all 17 million votes she got were die hard Hillary lovers.
Posted by: BLUE COLLAR FOR OBAMA –
I guess we can use that lame argument against Obama as well.

Who would have believed the Democrats could lose this election? But then if you read the comments on both sides of this thing, I guess it’s not all that hard to believe after all. And you guys think Bush is dumb. Geeeeeeez.

Who would have believed the Democrats could lose this election?
Posted by: brad
THE STUPID DEMOCRAT BOSSES ARE SHOVING OBAMA DOWN OUR THROATS.
HILLARY WOULD HAVE BEEN A EASY WINNER OVER MCCAIN….BUT OBAMA WILL LOSE BIG TIME.

t doesn’t seem to make any sense whatsoever to vote for a Republican candidate who most obviously does not represent the Democratic position on these issues.
Posted by: Laura—-
The problem is that the Democrats do not represent the democratic position. This is not the party that it used to be.

It’s almost over! After such a negative campaign, Senator Obama will finally be the nominee. He’s been so honorable, exhibited such character. Sorry, Mrs. Clinton, this is one thing you can’t network and bully your way out of.

The new pastor means nothing. He is not Obama’s pastor.
Posted by: BLUE COLLAR FOR OBAMA
YES HE IS OBAMA’S NEW PASTOR AND HE IS REV WRIGHT’S PUPIL FOR TWO YEARS AND IS ALSO ANTI-AMERICAN AND ANTI-WHITE.
OBAMA SAID HE WAS A “WONDERFUL” NEW PASTOR

Blue Collar….I am an Independent and don’t have any particular party loyalty….I vote for who I like. It is usually a Republican, but I did not vote Bush second time. I contributed to Hillary’s campaign and will work for McCain in Sept.

Have you folks looked at the story about the Priest that spoke at Obama’s church. He totally slammed Hillary.
I’m voting for McCain in ’08, not for Obama. Obama will NEVER get my vote.

The Obama campaign is hoping the Rev. Phleger thing will not hurt him….it just reminds us again why we could NEVER VOTE OBAMA. Bad timing before Sat. and Tues. when Hillary will SUSPEND HER CAMPAIGN UNTIL AUGUST….WAIT AND SEE WHAT MORE CRAP STARTS STINKING FROM THE OBAMA CAMPAIGN AND GO TO THE CONVENTION 2 DAYS BEFORE TO MAKE HER APPEAL.

Truth be told…it’s all over the media….more classy stuff from Trinity church. I just hope the good people of Montana and S. Dakota tune in. Those are caucus states tho, so the Obamabites will have their terrain staked out anyway. Thank goodness Puerto Rico is voting booth….real accurate, real votes.

Did you rabid Hillary shouters read the article? Jeez. Considering how many people are shouting about letting all the voters be heard, it’s like you guys didn’t notice that they’re encouraging the remaining superdelegates to commit AFTER JUNE 3RD. As in, AFTER EVERYBODY HAS VOTED.
And guess what? After everybody has voted, Hillary will still have:
- lost the popular vote
- won fewer pledged delegates
- convinced fewer superdelegates
- polled worse against McCain
- polled far higher negatives than Obama
- raised less money, and from fewer donors
Nobody is trying to “force her out.” What is happening to her is not “getting forced out.” It’s LOSING THE RACE, which is all the more surprising considering the enormous advantages she started with and the incredibly favorable coverage she’s gotten everywhere outside of one evening news show on MSNBC.
Calm down.

c_h_t
The super delegates do not have to make a decision by next week. That’s what people are upset about.

Do you guys have any actual problems with Obama, or is quoting people that he knows the best attack you can come up with?
Because it’s the best attack the Republicans have been able to come up with, and it hasn’t worked in months. Why do you think it would work in the general election? Especially if you keep repeating it over and over again now?

That said: There are many misrepresentations of facts in the posts on this blog. First, the 40 member Price-Herman Committee, (selected by then DNC-chair Terry McAuliffe and current Hillary Clinton campaign co-chair) and co-chairs U.S Labor Secretary Alexis Herman and U.S. Senate Rep David E. Price(appointed by then DNC-chair Terry McAuliffe and current Hillary clinton campaign co-chair) worked through the changes to the 2008 DNC primary schedule requested by Sen. Carl Levine (MI) and DNC member Debbie Dingell (MI). They met over an 18-month period to determine the DNC schedule and the rules regarding the penalties for those states who didn’t abide by the DNC schedule that was voted for with almost unanimous approval on Aug/19/2006. (Well before any one knew who would be the frontrunner in the Democratic Party nomination). During this 18-month period Party candidates, Party representatives, labor leaders and others were able to attend and make their views known at atleast 5 -6 public meetings. Second, party Presidential primaries are not addressed in the U.S. Constitution; only General elections and primaries for state officials.The DNC and RNC who also reduced the awarded delegates for states who moved up primaries (or caucases) in violation of their rules are well within their rights to penalize state parties for breaking the rules ( This has been ruled upon by several courts as not “unconstitutional”; and not under the scope of the Constitution)Third, Kathleen Sullivan (NH)(Hillary superdelegate) at that same Aug 19 2006 DNC schedule vote stated (after acknowledging President Bill Clinton’s birthday) that President Bill Clinton and Senator Hillary Clinton supported her state’s position against early primaries and caucases; she stated that “front-loading” the primaries would be detrimental to the party, would “disenfranchise” voters in later primaries since everyone knew that “the nominee will be picked by the end of January” if the DNC allowed states other than Iowa and New Hampshire to vote before the Feb 5 2008 “window”( Kathleen Sullivan and NH was very explicit that they opposed Michigan’s original plan to move up their primary before the “window”. Fourth, Stephanie Tubbs- Jones(another Hillary superdelegate) stated that Kathleen Sullivan’s position was not supportable as the Price-Herman committee and the Dem RBC deliberated carefully over the rules that the 2008 DNC schedule and the penalties for violating such should be approved.As someone else has pointed out Harold Ickes (Hillary supporter) also supported these decisions. These are facts.Do those who support a conspiracy theory propose that Hillary clinton’s own supporters and endorsers are a party to this conspiracy?

The new pastor means nothing. He is not Obama’s pastor.
Posted by: BLUE COLLAR FOR OBAMA
YES HE IS OBAMA’S NEW PASTOR AND HE IS REV WRIGHT’S PUPIL FOR TWO YEARS AND IS ALSO ANTI-AMERICAN AND ANTI-WHITE.
OBAMA SAID HE WAS A “WONDERFUL” NEW PASTOR

John Pen – is the pastor running for President?
If not, why does something he said matter?
Moreover, why does something HE said affect whether or not to vote for somebody completely different?

Did I miss something? The meaning of all this frog stuff escapes me. Was that a news story today?

c_h_t : we aren’t really doing it to spite a candidate. It is really to spite some of the people on here who call others stupid or kiss my booty or try in their way to act superior. We can’t attack the ones who really get our gander up, so Obama is the only real one to direct that anger at.

the Super Delegates are the ones who are picked to “Save” the party in case of…what ever. Their votes are meant to reflect what is best for the Party of the People. Once all the votes are counted the supers have no reason to wait. Every vote counted, every delegate counted, its decided. May the best man win.

tired: What you said makes sense, but be careful. If McCain wins in the general election, you may have ended up punishing yourself and everyone else!

OBAMA, CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!
BLACKS, ASIANS, HISPANICS, WHITES, OLDER PEOPLE, YOUNG PEOPLE, POOR PEOPLE, RICH PEOPLE, RELIGIOUS PEOPLE, ATHIESTS, BUSINESS PEOPLE, EDUCATED PEOPLE, POOR PEOPLE, WOMEN and MEN VOTED FOR YOUR TO WIN THE NOMIANTION.
OBAMA ’09 plus 8!
YES WE CAN!!!!!

The media and the democratic leaders pushed Obama but I say no thank you I will vote McCain .

tired,
everybody reacts emotionally when the stakes are so high. the polls show that obama gets the educated votes. but, you know in your heart of hearts that true democrats are the people that have compassion for others and want EVERYBODY to have the chance to succeed.
that’s one reason it is so important to recognize the affordability of education. it is the path that opens doors for us and our children. education became a farce over the past 8 years under bush and definitely needs to change.
that’s what obama plans to do — change this country’s warped agenda that has forgotten that people CAN thrive if given a chance.
please don’t let heated comments hurt your feelings. many people are just reacting to the attacks of the limbaugh lovers posing as hard-core clinton supporters.
obama 08!

Brenda,
She implied no such thing. She was stating that the race went to June and he was then assassinated. If you are going to bash her at least learn how to spell the word you are accusing her of implying. Did she mention Obama, No.

reid, pelosi,and dean just prove idiots are in charge of the democratic party.

Taking all available evidence into consideration, there’s no reason to think that Obama will fare worse than Clinton would against McCain. Whatever the motive Clinton has for pushing the Florida/Michigan business, it is presumably not to win the nomination, since she would lose the nomination even if all the FL/MI delegates were to be counted (which is not going to happen anyway, and for rather good reasons). Maybe she’s angling for the veep slot, as some have suggested. But one thing’s for sure: by drawing out the nomination — and the undeclared Congressional superdelegates are deeply complicit in this — she is hurting Obama’s chances in the general election. The guy needs a rest to gear up for the big battle ahead. He is also losing precious time to make the obligatory hard turn to center, and to give Clinton’s supporters time to heal and maybe give Obama a second look, unobscured by the fog of internicine political conflict. The extended nomination has already hurt the Democrats chances at the White House. If Reid and Co. can’t figure a way to wrap the thing up very soon, McCain may well win in a landslide.

Colin Powell and Condi Rice I wouldn’t have a problem voting for at least I know they love this country. Both are intelligent and articulate.

Just too bad they had to push Obama through the system (bundling money into his campaign from Soros and the other billionaire leftys). Cannot buy thyself a President to push your own agenda. The people will decide..if not Hillary then McCain. People vote who they like more than policies…bottom line.
Posted by: Debra
THEY ARE TRYING TO SHOVE OBAMA DOWN OUR THROATS.
HILLARY FIRST..IF NOT MCCAIN…NO OBAMA

These party elders needs to back off! We have witnessed these party elders have bullied SDs and Hillary again and again.
From this website and poll data, most Americans do not think the race is over. Are we in a third world country? Now it is the time for us to defend our democracy system, which we have been so proud of!

Rockefeller Repub – I’m confused. I thought legalized clubbing of baby seals was part of the LP platform.

One thing I have been puzzling is where Obama’s contributions come from? The amount is way out of proportions compared with Hillary and McCain. I don’t believe blacks and college kids all maxed out. Has any news media looked into this? There have been too many Oops about Obama.

John – you asked if anyone has looked into Obama’s fundraising. The single best answer is everyone has looked into it.
Even opposing candidates, out of envy. His per-donor amount is the lowest of the remaining three, but his number of donors are simply incredible by past standards.
And every donor is known and reported to the FEC (except maybe those who don’t meet a certain dollar amount, but I don’t even know what that limit is).

Reasons to vote Clinton or McCain over Obama = Taxes, Taxes, Taxes.
Obama has said that he will support payroll taxes and capital gains taxes. These two together will literally sink our economy. This man does not understand economic policy period!

Who is trying to push Obama down our throats. And please don’t say the MSM. He is a formidable canidate and half the country supports him.

HAHAHAHAHAH This is funny………….The Democrat Party ELITES HAVE SPOKEN…… The Hillary supporters will SHUT up and sit down…………, Nancy and Harry will DECIDE who will get the nomination – - – - – Guess the Democratic Leaders really DONT believe in Democracy in their own party…….apparently You rank and file Democrats aren’t intelligent enough to elect a candidate. sooooo the “SUPER” delegates will decide………….

By the way, the word “Obamination” is what the newspaper which is extremely conservative calls Obama. So if you see that name calling, it comes from the ULTRA conservative ranks.

I think we can take great pleasure in stomping the arrogant empty suit BO and his fanatics. We have heard so many hateful personal insults from their campaign.
The BO campaign has no position but borrow entirely from Hillary; the difference is he has no specifics and gaffe every time showing off his 089knowledge. He and his campaign has no position but only hateful remarks about opponents. He borrows straightly from Bush’s playbook. He is just another Bush.
The Republicans has their Bush. The Democrates has BO.
We should never stay home in November. It’s pay time for us. Let’s crush that SOBerheaded. Revenge is sweet for those who called us uneducated.
Wouldn’t you be delighted to see that SOBerheaded begging for your vote and getting none. It makes our day. Wouldn’t you be happy to see Jimmy the Carter go nuts, Pelosi banana, and Howard Dean’s face smashed against the wall hopelessly in a landslide loss. Yes, we can.
JFK and Robert Kennedy has never duck debate and fights. They win it with great effort with guts and tenacity. This SOBerhead BO is simply not the caliber. He is just a con with highflying bambastic lies. There is no record of him being a reformer. He just rides the tail of others and steals credit that he did not deserve. Make him cry.
08 Nobama

It is revolting to see how these leaders such as Pelosi only care about themselves instead of listening to the people. Yes, ignore the 17M, and no matter how many months they get, they will still loose.

It’s not a matter of “ignoring the 17 million”. Even if Senator Obama wins with “only” 17,000,001, he still wins. Nobody’s being disenfranchised, he just won.

To John_Lai:
I really don’t get it. Hillary has lost the nomination under the terms she agreed to. But to run screaming in the night yelling, “McCain 08″ is a surprising, over the top reaction. I’m stunned.

John_Lai:
Are you from Michigan or Florida that you feel disenfranchised?
I am from Michigan. I did not vote in the first primary – I was led to believe it wouldn’t count. At the time, to be honest, I would have voted for Clinton, though.
I’ve since changed my mind, I now prefer Obama – despite reservations.
Still, I don’t really understand the hysteria from some quarters regarding the seating of MI & FL delegates.
Clinton is just trying to put the best face on her loss. Even if they are seated, it won’t put her ahead, so its highly unlikely superdelegates will give her the nomination.
I also don’t understand the back-and-forth between rival camps as to who has the best chances against McCain in November. Polls clearly show either Obama or Clinton can beat McCain. In any event, arguing based on polls this far in advance is just speculation.
Finally, why is the fact that Clinton wants to fight as hard as possible, using every argument at her disposal – both good and specious – seen as divisive?
She’s making an argument! An argument I (and I suspect most super delegates) don’t find convincing but still, what’s the harm?

We are so divided… and if everyone would be truthful about this primary. Hillary brought it on.
1. First, Black against White with Wright.
2. Patriotism, the flag pin wear or not wear. (real stupid)
3. Young against the old.
4. White working class against everybody else.
5. Sexism:Old age Women against the Men.
6. better candidate because of polls.
(the joke of all jokes)
Her whining, divisiness, crying foul, using the race, sexism and I didn’t sign that about the voters did I? is just too much. Enough please. Superdelegates put her and us out of this terrible misery.

The party does not play by the rules. We have pundits like Pelosi misinform us about the rights of superdelegates. Why should the party ever have superdelegates? If the purpose of having an elite class of delegates, we should tear apart this undemocratic party.
Fact:
Washingon primary
6 point win for BO
Washington caucus
37 point win for BO
Texas primary
4 point win for Hillary
Texas caucus
12 point loss for Hillary
The party, the pundits, the BO fanatics cheat and deny the equal rights of voters.
Adapted from Animal Farm:
All voters are equal except some voters are more equal than the others.
The venoms, the fabricated credentials, the race card, the smearing in SD from BO and company areall very personal. Let’s get the record straight. For real change, we need to hold the party responsible for their wrong doing.
We should never vote for an undemocratic Democratic Party. Make them weep for their arrogance and contemptible behavior over people.
08 McCain; Nobama for real CHANGE;
Yes, WE CAN.

nottoblame:
I don’t see how one can charge Clinton with having CREATED these divisions. Maybe she’s to be faulted for drawing them out.
She certainly isn’t at fault for the Wright controversy, Obama (with a not-so-gentle assist from the editing team at FOX news) brought that on himself.
Ditto for the flag-pin
As for dividing young against old, white working class against everyone else [sic], old-age [sic] women against men? Some of those divisions are to be expected. She really didn’t have to gin anything up.
Obama has been consistently getting more than 90% of the African-American vote, he gets the vote of the white professional class, of men, the young – is he then at fault for creating these divisions?
Better candidate because of the polls? I agree, that is a pretty weak argument, considering how poorly polls have served her. Remember how at the beginning of the primary polls showed her the clear winner?

So if Senator Clinton doesn’t get the nomination, we slash and burn the party? How will you feel on election night watching President McCain accepting his win? (Assuming he’s still up that late.)

There will be 3 supreme court vacancies soon. If the party doesn’t unite behind a candidate soon, the repurcussions will last for decades.

Stay home and take care of the babies Sweetie

rainbow68,
seniors will not vote for Obama and I think a lot of these bloggers here for Hillary are seniors, not all but most. And unfortunately they don’t seem to care about the supreme court like the rest of us do. I have posted to people that if you don’t like Obama then just vote him out in 4 years. But the justices are appointed for life. They either don’t get it or don’t care about the next generation.

Really:
I really do wonder why anyone mentions the low ratings of Congress, an institution notoriously fractious, tied up by the competing political agendas of different regions and parties, and slow to move – BY CONSITUTIONAL DESIGN.
The question is not what people think of Congress as a whole, but what they think of their personal representative.
I think people, on the whole, are happy with their individual representatives (at least if their Democrats). Its the institution of Congress, and its ineffectiveness, people find frustrating.
BTW: The presidency is different, he pretty much acts alone, and he could hardly be less popular.

joker4usa,
and our youth are in Iraq. They can’t drink but they can go to war and die for us. Shame on you if you vote McCain. The next generation have a say in this election whether you like it or not.

I’m part of that youth 11B US INFANTRY what , you got some time in the barrel tell us. I respect my elders I love my country I put it out as best I could like the generations before me what you got?

Doesnt’ ANYONE remember when Clinton was getting more of the Black vote? Before Obama’s campaign played the race card?
Watch this and decide for yourself. Look at what Michelle says…look at what Obama has in one of his books about race baiting.
How anyone can think that the Clinton’s are racist or that her campaign brought race into this is beyond me.
What people need to do is to look up how Obama got into politics in the first place…the down and dirty of it all. But wait…he claims to be a different kind of politician…yeah right…
http://nicedeb.wordpress.com/2008/04/10/thats-just-how-white-folks-will-do-you/

Raleigh Voter,
I am not trying to scare anyone to vote for Obama. In fact I will vote for a dem no matter what. I am just tired of this hatred from Hillary supporters.
The military is hurting, where have you been. They call my kids once a week trying to get them to enlist. I thank your family for being in the military and protecting us but I don’t want it for my kids and they don’t want it either. This war is insane and we need to get out. McCain wants us to stay until we win. But we can’t win because it’s a civil war now that the republicans created. Go ahead vote for McCain. Mark my words, the draft is next because these kids don’t want to go to war and are not enlisting.

Let me help you out, It is’nt McCain you should fear it’s every one until we shake our need for unstable oil. Canada has a oilsands program , but there again political retoric with NAFTA has cornered Obama
Expect more from leaders because the will ask more from you.
They will go no matter who gets elected, too many volunteers have already done the time. Unless you are willing to reverse your own principles and force them to go back in battle abroad. The Nations needs come first. Where is the call for engineers??
Q: Do you think women should register for selective service when they turn 18 like men do currently?
A: You know, a while back we had a celebration in the Capitol for the Tuskegee Airmen, and it was extraordinarily powerful because it reminded us, there was a time when African-Americans weren’t allowed to serve in combat. And yet, when they did, not only did they perform brilliantly, but what also happened is they helped to change America, and they helped to underscore that we’re equal. And I think that if women are registered for service–not necessarily in combat roles, and I don’t agree with the draft– I think it will help to send a message to my two daughters that they’ve got obligations to this great country as well as boys do.
Source: 2007 xxxTube Democratic Primary debate, Charleston SC Jul 23, 2007

Sorry Lisa…even though McCain uses the term “win” that is not exactly what he means.
I strongly feel that the country needs to be stable, especially with Iran being right there. I believe that we can end it once they are self-sufficient. We created this new chaos and it is our responsibility to end it.
Do you REALLY believe that a Dem is going to get us out of there any sooner and that McCain, a brave veteran, is a warmonger? It is all just political pandering. Even Obama says 5 years. I trust Clinton and McCain to get us out the right way. It’s not that I don’t believe that Obama could do the same, but for me, this election is more than about the war or abortion or supreme court justices. Our economy is at stake too. Our national debt is like nothing in history. I want someone will experience, with sound judgment and with past actions to back that up.

to Susan Erickson: with chicken brains You better want to go to work and take crae of Your own business , Your family, Your man.
We should protect America from Dirty clintons.
Forever.

Raleigh Voter, McCain said he knew nothing about the economy. And we are going to trust him with this. No thanks. My family is hurting.

Sorry Frogs..
Its not about losing or winning…it is about the future of our country.
This is why so many Dems will just not vote for Obama.
When people even use the terms about winning/losing, then I know that they are misguided and do not really understand how those who disagree with them really feel or how they are thinking.

sta…here is that post…I have pages of Obama stuff…
The Obama spend-o-meter is now up around $800 billion. And tax hikes on the rich won’t pay for it. It’s the middle class that will ultimately shoulder this fiscal burden in terms of higher taxes and lower growth.
The Wall Street Journal’s Steve Moore has done the math on Obama’s tax plan. He says it will add up to a 39.6 percent personal income tax, a 52.2 percent combined income and payroll tax, a 28 percent capital-gains tax, a 39.6 percent dividends tax, and a 55 percent estate tax.
Not only is Obama the big-spending candidate, he’s also the very-high-tax candidate. And what he wants to tax is capital.
Doesn’t Obama understand the vital role of capital formation in creating businesses and jobs? Doesn’t he understand that without capital, businesses can’t expand their operations and hire more workers

What we need are MANY political parties…then they will be forced to work together.
You must admit that it is fundamentally unfair to Americans that we have such little choice. We are lucky enough to get to elect “elite” people to lead.

Lisa..
there is a lot out there about Obama and who he has paid back favors to. As well as who he has received money from. 1/2 of his campaign money has actually come from grassroots efforts, the other has come from big business bundlers. In fact he has received almost 2 million from CNN/Time Warner.
You just need to go to one of the anti-Obama websites

Lisa–Staniam,
Staniam knows what he is talking about. He always writes well before he thinks. His are the most uninformed posts I have ever seen.
I particularly enjoy his commentary that we have no authority and his commands to cease and desist and go away.
I think staniam is maybe 13 and going through a tough puberty.

Raleigh Voter, who cares. Let’s look at Hillary’s record.

I know everything about Hillary Clinton, the good and bad so there is nothing that is news to me. I have researched all three of them and pride myself on making an informed decision.
I have always voted based on party with not much thought. This election has opened up my eyes and make me realize that it is up to me to search for the facts, rather than to just listen to what the media tells me.
I am pretty much right in the middle of the political spectrum.
Hello…I see that sta replies to ignorant people that way. I do not follow one persons blogs continuously so I cannot speak for everything, but from what I have seen, sta’s points have made sense.
I have seen far too many posts bashing Clinton than any other. I follow them on various sites and it is sad. I see numerous of them from younger voters who really just do not get it. But of course I understand that, as I was once like that myself, minus the insults.

Raleigh Voter–
I applaud you. That is exactly how all people should decide on who to vote for.
The media are all biased in one way or another and none of what we see is actual news, it is simply editorial.
I think a lot of what is out there on all the candidates is pure BS though. Who of us could stand up to that kind of scrutiny and come out pure white?
Anyway, although I don’t share your support for Hillary, I agree 100% with your process for making your decision.

Raleigh Voter and Staniam–
I have not changed names. I also have not commented on any other site besides abc news, so if you saw a Hello, it wasn’t me. But it is kind of a no brainer handle, I mean HELLO.
And staniam is also NCdem, thinkingdem, dem38 and many others. So pot, stop calling kettle black.

Well I use other names too..most do…
Like when I post things like this cause I hate to look like I am attacking, but I do like to pass things on that are a little disconcerting, which this vid is.
http://nicedeb.wordpress.com/2008/04/10/thats-just-how-white-folks-will-do-you/
I do remember when the race card was played and the whole thing with race is really disturbing. I strongly feel that Obama’s campaign was race baiting and no matter how you look at it, it is wrong.
I mean Obama’s past does show a lot of dirty politics and it sickens me that people believe he is so clean.

If Hussein Obama is president, Iran will be a nuculer power, and Odinga Obama’s brother in Kenya will be sherring the American atomic bombs.

“McBush or McSame” now that is racist
what’s next pot o gold jokes , how about cheap scottsman jokes or nina.
Remember the great American melting pot. Name calling is not so good there are real issues that people are worried about like Lisa’s kids and the economy and healthcare. We all should be pusing to get the most bang for our buck on those issues.

Staniam,
You buzzing around here? You little Hillary insect… Make the most of it you Hillary clingers, you have until Tuesday and then you are all finished!!!
You will all have to switch to the next losing side after that. But you Hillary people are used to being losers, so I am sure it will suit you all just fine…

staniam–
I haven’t changed names or anything else. I am just reflecting on how out of control this has all gotten.
Real people can have realizations that things might have been better for everyone if things had gone just a little differently.
I would still vote for Hillary, even if she wrenches the nomination away from Obama. She is counting on just that by the way.
I don’t like Hillary, I think she is a crook, but what politician isn’t. She would probably be a good President. I have said that before. No change in position.
I have also said I used to like the Maverick McCain. Not loving him right now though.
A republican operative is not going to come on here and say all three have merits now are they. Is a republican operative going to say they would vote for HIllary even though they can’t stand her. Is a republican operative going to then say they prefer Obama?
I am a big mess of don’t knows right now.
The only thing I am sure of is that I don’t like you.

Staniam,
You know better than that, I never change names, you insect…
Why would I do that? I am not hiding from anyone, especially you delusional Clintonites!
Hey where is Hillary at tonight? Out having some more beers and shots with the boys buying votes??
What a drunken loser she is, her “has been husband” too with his big red drunk nose!

I agree Hello…about McCain moving right. But I believe he is doing that just to appease the conservative Bush supporters.
I find it unnecessary though…I mean what far righters do you know that would let an ultra left liberal into the White House with a dem house and senate??
He will move more center and has shown that. You have to admire him though for going against Bush in that one abortion clip. Not many politicians would do that…
I just hate the way some people refuse to look at other candidates and just spout off the same rhetoric that they hear others say. It reminds me of the Obamazombies who say the same ol things…like sheep
At least have your own thoughts

Raleigh Voter–
I think you are right about McCain. I think he will start to move back to the center. I don’t think he needed to appease the far right either, who are they going to vote for, Obama?? Right!
I think there are zombies on both sides, HRC and Obama. All Obama supporters aren’t zombies or kool-aid drinkers. Some of us are just more liberal thinkers and willing to take a leap of faith on someone untested. I have read his policy positions and agree with 90% of them.
Anyway, I am signing off. It was nice to have a civilized conversation with you.

Raleigh Voter–
Funny you should ask about the polygamy thing. I am actually a mormon, yeah I know weird for a mormon to vote Obama.
They did handle it wrong, I agree. I don’t agree with polygamy but I think they caused a heck of a lot of trauma on those kids unnecessarily. It was handled very badly and on unreliable information.
I believe in the constitution and I don’t think their constitutional rights were upheld here.

Well Hello…I think that McCain should ick Romney :-)

pick I mean :-) He would make it well rounded…but then the conservatives would hate it…but like you said…who else would they vote for?

I am at the point now Davis where I call anyone that votes Dem this election a delusional fool…
btw…I was an early Obama supporter, then Edwards…then Clinton…but the more I come to know about the Dem party, the less I like…
McCain will likely get my vote because he is above them all..

Goodnite :-)

Tell me something. Carrying this to the convention benefits Hillary in what way? There is more than a presidential
race going on. What about The congressional and senate races and their supporters? Before people get too mad at the DNC..people need to understand politics 101 with democratic contenders running at all levels. Are the Clintons thinking about the party and the possible outcome for congress?
It is not about the people. It is about the Clintons.

What do you do for a living stan?
I was a Bio teacher until it proved to be too stressful…bringing my work home every night.
Now I sell on ebay so I have much more flexibility…I have been wasting far too much time blogging though…

night stan…battery IS dead now..

Sean
sorry if your in denial but it’s okay things will be better when you start accepting that Hillary already lose. It is part of a healing process.
Canada for Obama

Dann
I agree with you 100% that Democratic party should reunite now to take on Mc Cain towards the General Election instead Hillary is dragging this party down. She probably needed more fundraising money to pay herself back.
Canada for Obama

HP Boston
The only person that are taking your money is Hillary. No one is trying to shut you guys out. They are just saying that the race is over.
Canada for President Barack Obama

Its so TRUE………Hillary feels because she is WHITE….SHE is entitled….WRONG !!! What is wrong with you people…..and now she suggests/insinuate/desperate want to have that man Killed. What a shame. that white woman.. Hillary.. is SICK.

Everyone interested in the Democratic primary should checkout Mrs. Clinton’s memorandum to the Rules & Bylaws committee and super delegates. Here is the link: http://weblogs.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/blog/2008/05/hillary_clintons_closing_argum.html
(this page also includes a link to the PDF version of the full memorandum.) It is at the level of a high school cheerleader who can’t win the election to become the President of the class, but appeals to the Administration to appoint her anyway. Quite frankly, it is embarrassing that she is even being considered to become President of the world’s most powerful and wealthy country.

Hillary’s finished. The only question that remains is will she try to bring down the democratic party in a massive hissy fit, or will she try to save what little is left of the Clinton “legacy”? (A legacy of shame, if you ask me) For all you Clinton crazies out there that still think she can win this fair and square, keep your eyes to the skies, cause I heard that the comet that’s coming to pick you and your glorious leader up is due anytime now! Enjoy the Kool Aid!

DNC leaders want to lose the White House. Pelosi wants to stay the most powerful Democrat 4 more years. They know Obama is unelectable.

libre =============
You don’t get a party nomination by just screaming that your opponent can not win.
You get the nomination by winning the primaries according to the laid down rules.
So you guys should stop barking like dogs.
There’s a very thin line between desperation and insanity.

The supreme right to vote in FL and MI in a primary is soooooo overblown… this is never how primaries go… only this time CLinton created a gigantic cause out of it… typically many states are locked out of ‘counting’ because the race is over too soon for their votes to matter and the candidates don’t bother much with the campaign… i.e. McCain’s primary run is rather unimportant to republicans since he locked in the nomination….. so why in God’s earth is it all of a sudden a matter of civil rights for FL and MI to not be disenfranchised…. it blows ones mind how easily people fall for the slop of sensationalism coming from Clinton…. they started this whole business of governing by campaigning that went to extremes with Bush Admin… now we see its results in both Bush and Clinton camps… and hopefully, we are seeing the last hooplah chapter.

If the super delegates give the nomination to Obama, they are giving McCain the Presidency. It sounds like Dean, Peloski, Reid, want to lose the election.

This is what I don’t understand, how fair was it that Obama’s name was left off the ballats in 2 states? Of course Clinton wants those states counted Obama didn’t have a chance there with his name not on the ballats. And I think what they are saying about the Superdelegets is they have already announced who they will vote for so why put it off until August, which really is a stupid thing to do if the outcome will remain the same anyway! Of course if they superdeleget hasn’t said or committed to one or the other and there is a good chance of a tie or not knowing who will win then by all means wait until August. But boy reading these comments you can sure tell who is a republican and who has fallen for the crocodile tears!

The whole primary was a sham. The DNC and media wanted Obama from the get go. They should have coronated him months ago and spare the average voter of the bitterness. There is so much envy between these wealthy powerful democrats at the expense of voters. May the Democratic party reap what it deserves!

libre =============
You don’t get a party nomination by just screaming that your opponent can not win.
You get the nomination by winning the primaries according to the laid down rules.
So you guys should stop barking like dogs.
There’s a very thin line between desperation and insanity.

THE DNC “BIGWIGS” NEED TO QUIT DICTATING HOW THE CAMPAIGN IS RUN…GIVE HILLARY THE VOTES, IT’S WHAT THE PEOPLE WANT! LEAVE THE SUPER DELEGATES TO DO WHAT THEY DECIDE TO DO, WITHOUT PRESSURE…SEE OBAMA FOR THE ge LOSER THAT HE IS AND QUIT PUTTING HILLARY DOWN, BECAUSE, BY THE POPULAR VOTE, THE PEOPLE WANT HER AND, BY THE GALLUP POLL, SHE IS THE ONLY ONE TO BEAT “Mr McGOO” McCAIN!!!

The DNC , Howard Dean, Pelosi, Reid and the super delegates have decided some time a go Obama should be the nominee. African American super delegated baggeridge other African American to chose Oabama. Threats like if he isn’t the nominee there may be riots in the streets (Mayor of Richmond Virginia). So! This is what they call the democratic process. I am glad, I am an independent!

An American in Canada for David
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Obama will lose the war because your candidate is not getting the nomination.
What a self-serving way to think.

How can you argue against a war when you did not even have a vote in the first place nor when you show a habit of avoiding the tough issues?

Before the primaries started I swore that I would not vote for a Republican…but now seeing how the media and the backroom massaging of the numbers by the Obama and Pelosi people have taken place, I will vote most definitely Republican if Hillary doesn’t get the nomination. In all the years that I have followed the election process, I have never seen so many people be so duped by a man who has absolutely nothing to offer as far as intelligence or experience. B.H.O. is more the actor than the statesman. Perhaps that’s why Oprah loves him so much.

I see comments are slowing down, but I’ll put my 2 cents in anyway. I’ve been a republican all my life, but I voted for Clinton for his second term because he understood the economy (the first dem to do so) and I thought that Bob Dole was too old. A good man but to old-time for the reigns of govt to be handed to a new generation.
This contest and the debate I find quite interesting, especially here where the debate is mostly among dems. I could have supported Hillary-maybe not experienced in foreign affairs, but at least as first lady she traveled and was familiar with many foreign leaders. But then she went negative, and started re-inventing history(sniper fire)
I watched Obama’s speech when he was here in Idaho and drew a huge crowd. I liked what I heard, a message of hope and empowerment, of a future that holds promise. He’s a great speaker, and that in my mind is important. Bill Clinton and Ronald Reagan were great speakers. Al Gore and John Kerry were not. They both came off sounding like they had little respect for the ordinary citizen.
But I am uneasy in some of the things Obama has had to say on foreign policy. I find him to be rather naive in some ways. That he would consider speaking to Castro, Abudinijad, or Hamas or Hezbola is flat wrong. Any discussions of that sort should be done through lower level diplomats and third parties.
And to not have a continued presence in Iraq and the Mideast in general is unwise when this region is so important and so volatile.
So I find myself looking at McCain. As a pro-choice, pagan republican, I’m reassured that at least he’s not a Jesus-on-my-sleave born again republican. He’s a moderate. That’s good. Perhaps he can change the D.C. establishment some by working across party lines when necessary. I don’t see Obama doing that.
Oh, the age thing. Well I’m 55 now, and I would have thought that by now the Rolling Stones would be too old for rock and roll, but…
Advice to dems: GET RID OF HOWARD DEAN.

I’ve finally had enough of all this BS. I am changing my affiliation from Democrat to Independent. What we need now is a good sensible third party. One person one vote
is a good mantra but until we get rid of the outmoded Electoral college, one person one vote will never be true. If the DNC really wants to be democratic then they need to change the rules. I suggest that as long as there is still the electoral college then the winner of the popular vote in a primary should get the number of electoral votes accorded that state. The candidate with the most electoral votes gets the nomination. Simple with no delegates and no BS. In regards to Clinton and Obama neither one is fit to be president and I won’t vote for them. Mcain will continue to mortgage our country with pilling on more debt fighting a needless “war” which I am unable to find out who the enemy really is, Sunnis Shias Insurgents Radical Islamists or possibly “martians”. Spend all the billions on making us energy independent and save trillions by closing all our bases on foreign soil. Let globalization and free trade pave the way for Democracy.

After a bitter and hotly contested selection process in 1968, a Democratic candidate who did not campaign was selected by party leaders at the Chicago convention.
The DNC and Democrat party leaders will not be able to produce a sole candidate prior to this year’s convention in Denver.
In a last ditch effort to unite the party, a candidate who chose not to campaign will again be selected.
Clinton and Obama will remain Senators. Democrats will win substantial majorities in Congress. Republicans will win the White House.
History will repeat itself.
Get used to it.

Folks!! It is OVER. HRC CANNOT WIN THIS RACE. SHE IS A VERY UNSTABLE PERSON. HOW CAN SHE BE IN CHARGE OF ANYTHING? SHE NEED TO GO HOME ALREADY AND THANK GOD FOR LIFE. SHE IS A LIAR, A CHEAT. NO INTEGRITY AND NO CHARACTER. WHY WOULD SHE WANT TO BRING BILL BACK INTO THE WHITE HOUSE? TO DIRTY IT SOME MORE WITH? PLEASE SPARE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD IS LAUGHING AT THE SO-CALLED AMERICAN PEOPLE.