Democratic Recount Lawyer Takes Umbrage with Clinton Invoking Recount

Which one is much more important, the stupid rules of the Democratic Party or the fundamental values of “One vote one person”?

Did everything possible to achieve an advantage in vote counting (going for delegates in rudely aggressive caucasus), rules were broken (Obama ad in FL and Obama surrogates and media promoting anti Hillary vote in MICH), stop a vote (telling everyone it’s over that Obama is the nominee bombardment from surrogates and media). Well I extracted the parts of the lawyer’s response that does fit into this argument. Hillary is right! It’s not only a rip off, it is a bully, intimidating, propaganda media control and influence RIP OFF! Obama’s media image is not reflective of his BRASS KNUCKLE POLITICS and a lot of us HIGHLY EDUCATED Hillary supporters KNOW.

I can’t believe Democrats are making arguments against being Democratic. Obama’s “Change”. Yeah, thanks dude…..

Would someome please show me Senator Hillary Clinton’s signature where she signed off on deleting the votes for MI and FL. It was the VIPs of the Democratic Party who made this decision, not the voters or Hillary Clinton. Senator Obama wants the decision to stand because he lost both states.

Would someome please show me Senator Hillary Clinton’s signature where she signed off on deleting the votes for MI and FL. It was the VIPs of the Democratic Party who made this decision, not the voters or Hillary Clinton. Senator Obama wants the decision to stand because he lost both states.
Posted by: Mary | May 22, 2008 5:43:09 PM
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How about the fact that one of her staffers, Ickes, voted to dissallow the delegates as punishment?
Hmm?

McCain will get democrat voters in Nov if Obama and DNC don’t want to seat delegates as primary result.

First – Hilalry was seen on TV saying that Michigan didn’t matter and that both Michigan and Florida should be punished for breaking the rules that the other 48 states agreed to abide by. Second – Senator Obama has never said he “wants the decision to stand because he lost both states.” In fact, he has been outspoken to find a way that they could be counted equitably (unlike Clinton who wants all or nothing). Finally, who says we lost the race. The general election hasn’t started yet. Ironically, it’s Hillary who is pushing her “right” based on a map created by Karl Rove, not Obama. Hillary needs to decide if she’s a Democrat or a Republican.

Sen. Clinton has gone off the deep end into a fantasy realm where she is up to her shoulders in her own baloney. Amazing.

I find it amazing that so many superdelegates came over to Obama’s side after there was an announcement that his campaign had put aside $20 million to help the superdelegates in the next election. A few days later, the Democratic Party ofrficials confirmed this saying a fund had been set up. So, is this buying an election or what??? I say it is. DIRTY POLITICS. BAD BAD

you cant take away the nomination from the guy who has played by the rules and won, and NOT to mention he is the first african american to ever reach this historic point in our country.
This was not stolen from hillary, she lost
if the tables were turned you could not steal the election from her
it is just sick that she is attempting this crazy suicide mission
I do think that we should find some resolve to the delegates in florida and michigan…
obamas team has tried to strike a deal and even though the clinton team has said seating 50% of the delegates we wouldnt even be talking about this anymore…
however, they are rejecting that as of now…
so, its pretty good for party unity…lol

Hillary supporters unite!
It’s time to send a clear and loud message to Howard Dean and the DNC!
If Hillary is not nominated then vote for John McCain in November and a solid Republican ticket!
If Obama loses the General Election (which he probably will), McCain will be a one term president and Hillary can come back and win in 2012!
The DNC needs to FIRE Howard Dean for disenfranchising the voters of Michigan and Florida!
The Democratic Party needs to learn a lesson in November about messing with their loyal base.
I’m a Democrat and I’m voting for the Republicans in November if Hillary is forced out!

The Democratic Party is fractured and permanently broken. We are not just Hillary supporters, we are not just not Obama supporters, we are moderates who can’t sign on to what the left wing believes in, Chicago radicals to run the country.
Ain’t going to happen no matter what Hillary does. And the left wing isn’t going to vote for Hillary after she stood up to them as we asked her to stand for us, so we’ll just have to go our separate ways.
The left wing Democrats with Obama will get beat again this year and never win again for that matter with someone whose closest associates are Black Liberation Theology preacher Wright, Marxist terrorist Ayers, and anti-everything but black but especially Jews leader Farrakan, along with a Muslim heritage and ties to terrorist groups like Hamas, and mentored by Syrian corruption king Rezko who bought Obama’s $265,000 mansion grounds for him with money wired in from Saddam’s moneyman Auchi. This after being elected to the US Senate less than four years ago!
Holy cow. And you think anyone but a latte liberal would vote for that mess to run this country? You’re out of your minds.
And I don’t even want to hear the killing or not killing of babies and soldiers argument for choosing next best to Hillary, the only choice left, McCain.
That being because Republicans inexplicably chose the only Republican who Hillary supporters could vote for.
So be it. We go our separate ways. I hope Hillary can get to the ballot some other way.
Hillary ’08

It is truly amazing to me to see the democratic party, the party that has benefited so much from the black community, be willing change the rules in the middle of the game just to keep a clear winner from getting the nomination.
Hillary Clinton, someone I used to admire, who lost my support when she started the campaign running on the continuation of the war in Iraq, because of her refusal to step down has created and now represents an element of the population who are really deep rooted racists. Of course this is not at all says that everyone who supports Hillary is a racist. Some would like to see a woman president, others feel they must be loyal to the Clintons because of Bill’s service in office. But, A very uncomforting number of her supporters simply don’t want a black man in there. This Fact was proven in the past primaries she has won. Exit polls show that a large number of them voted based on race. Plus, young students, some taking time out from school, making calls and going door to door campaigning for someone they truly believe in, were treated very unamerican with vulgar remarks and statements like “I’ll never vote for a black man” or “Hang him from a tree”.
Mr. Obama is ahead because of his message, because he was the first candidate who said something about change. He was the only candidate talking about helping everyone in America not just special interests groups. He has managed a remarkable campaign. That in itself shows great leadership.
Face it folks, the man has come a long way going against a sure thing and the best you can do to hurt him is to talk about his former pastor? Get real. The Man Deserves A Chance. Besides, if Hillary can’t beat Obama, how can she beat McCain?

Democratic Party Rules: Florida and Michigan votes can’t count because they broke the rules by moving up their primary election date.
Democratic Party Rules: Delegates needed to become the nominee = 2026
Democratic Party Rules: Super delegates votes don’t count until the convention.
Oh wait, we CAN change those rules if it benefits Obama.(Obama also broke the rules by running a television ad in Florida.)

REMEMBER
The democratic party has abandoned the moderates and it’s socially progressive history. It’s no long the party of the people. It’s now the party of the few and the elitists who want to commandeer our money for the socialization of America.
McCain more closely represents traditional democratic views than does Dean, Pelosi and their chosen puppet! Think about your values and choose wisely!

“you cant take away the nomination from the guy who has played by the rules and won, and NOT to mention he is the first african american to ever reach this historic point in our country.”
The point was the Democrats need to win the election, not make a statement about racial reapportionment of power. He has delegates from States the Democrats will lose in November. He lost the states that have delegates the Democrats can win. Rules is rules and math is math but electoral math is the one that counts and the rules there are not the rules of mau-mau caucus tactics.
You really did drink the kool-aid.

Mccain does not represent more traditional democratic values…
now your just making things up to make yourselves feel better
McCain is for burdening the middle class and lower classes to give the rich this tax break
McCain is for continueing a budget heavily reliant on China
McCain is for continueing a war …with all the tragedy it continues to bring that has no clear purpose…it sure isn’t making us safer.
McCain has overturning Roe as his second or third talking point.
McCain wants the next possible 3 supreme court justices to be conservative
Mccain thinks the market that we have relied on is the main issue and fix responsible for the housing crisis and bad mortgages and people losing their homes
McCain thinks the market is the key to cost reduction with healthcare.
McCain thinks porkbarrel is bad but still to this day continues using lobbyists as his two main campaign hands.
McCain believes that the Committee for Liberation of Iraq which he helped run back in 2002/3 that lobbied for us to go to war was correct…the President of theat organization and head chair is his two most prominent foreign policy advisors…
so tell me again how McCain is closer to “traditional democratic values”
that is either dumb or sadly and tactically said out of spite and anger because it is patenetly untrue and not what our nation needs.

ljmj :
….but you ARE pretty much calling anyone not voting for Obama a racist….just as you Obama followers pretty much belittling Hillaryites by blabelling them as stupid!
As a Hillaryite, I consider myself reasonably clever and ready in every way to accept, support and vote for a black… or asian… or American Indian (most fitting).. or Latino…. or eurasian or Indian American Citizen for President if I felt that he or she would be the best leader for my country.
I do not feel that Obama is the best choice for our country at this time. I am not uncomfortable with the idea of HIM in the white house BUT I AM EXTREMELY UNCOMFORTABLE with the thought of his buddies Auchi, and Dohrn,
and Odinga and Rezko and some of his other rather questionable associates of sitting around the tabe in the Oval Office planning our foreign policy.
I don’t like his Healthcare program.
I didn’t like the idea of the second Jeremiah speech; it made B O come across as terribly two-faced.
I don’t like his having taken money from Rezko which had been put away to heat the tenement homes of the poor.
I wouldn’t feel any different if he were white….. though I don’t think he would have gotten as far as he had if he were.
But you will never change your mind about us….
And I will never during this travesty of an election change my mind about him
So I am hoping to be given the opportunity to vote for Hillary which is why I again say:
GIVE ‘EM, HELL, HILLARY!!!

George
“Which one is much more important, the stupid rules of the Democratic Party or the fundamental values of “One vote one person”?”
where are you from buddy?
We’ve NEVER in this country had a one vote one person presidential election…..there are these little things called delegates, google them you might learn something…oh I wish I had a rolling eyes emoticon

It should fall on their government they set the date after being told NOT TO>>>>>I fell sorry for the people but they knew before they voted but qent ahead and did it anyway…Sorry.Some thing they will have to work on after the election
This is now a SICKNESS with Hilly she has lost she can’t except this ,it hurts but ,,,,,,For God sakes hang it up

Tinat,
If you are talking about measuring by electoral votes, Obama would have lost huge. This just further strengthens the point that the primary system of the Democratic Party is stupid.

Fact is Obama lawyers were dispatched in March to push some bs legal argument to block revotes that all parties wanted. In the sense that a candidate sent his legal team to block the votes of two states from being accurately counted or revoted, the two situations seem very comparable. If revotes were done in March like everybody wanted, except Obama, this wouldn’t be an issue now and cast a cloud over the Dem nomination process. By March everyone saw that it was a mistake to lock out FLA and MI, everyone but the Obama camp. Obama supressed the simple solution, which was a revote.

Obama applies all the techniques he learned in Chicago, Kenya and Indonesia.

Senator Obama is ahead of everything,
you people should stop and think if this election is stolen from him, my oh my: this would be the biggest
train wreck this Country have ever seen.

I am amazed at how many Americans are willing to accept the rewriting of the rules by Sen Clinton. If you sign an agreement with your name, you are vouching for your personal integrity as a honest and fair broker. It is very refreshing to see the level of interest in US politics, and the high level of support for the Democratic candidates.But that is no excuse, to justify a lack of ethics by Sen Clinton in her Quixotic quest to steal a nomination.
Fair is Fair!

If the situation were reversed, and Obama wanted to change things at this stage, Hillary would be jumping up and down, demanding that the rules can’t be changed. — She’s not really interested in the right of these people to have their votes counted, she is interested in 1) being president and 2) being in the news. — It’s very unfortunate.

THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY HAS BEEN CORRUPTED.
It’s no longer a party of the people — rather,it’s a party of the few who seem to be able to convince lemmings that it still has meaning.
It’s a losing battle! I’m out of here!

The Democrats need to change to a winner take all like the Republicans. This would have been decided long ago and Hillary would have been the nominee already.

J,,,,as
What reality are you living..
If winner takes all, including the caucuses.. Hillary will be a LOOSER

Those that argue (using Clinton’s talking points!) that “ONLY Clinton” can win the “right” states to beat McCain haven’t been paying attention to the most incredible grassroots political movement in history. Obama has raised more money, put more people on the ground, and been more organized, smarter and thoughtful than any presidential candidate has ever been. All those polls you see now WILL be different come the Fall! The politics of the past…the “normal” voting patterns will be different this November and the reason is Obama!

His only experience as a Senator has been running for President.
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Well, he must have made quite an impression there, given how many Senators have endorsed him.

I see that the Clinton smoke machine is having its desired impact. Blow enough of it and the facts eventually become irrelevant.
Obama did not block the Michigan revote.
The Michigan legislature did. Part of their reason for doing so was the logistical difficulty of putting the primary together on short notice. The State’s local election officials said that it couldn’t be done.
The more significant part was a backlash to Hillary showing up in Michigan, having one of her foot stomping hissy fits, and having her millionaire cronies send the legislators a letter saying that they’d put together the money to pay for a revote. Several legislators, including some of her own supporters, didn’t want to be seen as caving into this stuff.

MI VOTER – So as a democrat you will vote for the Socialists that took over your party.