Dems Behind Closed Doors Till 1:30 a.m., With Still No Consensus

The rules ((Yes, your remember Mr. abide by the rules Dean) You know, the guy who supports Obama. Let’s see how this all shake’s out. This week….

Seat the delegates and count the votes…what are we third world? This is rediculous!!!

Sue the Democrats

“Sunshine State’s entire delegation to be seated — each member with 1/2 vote” = VOTE FOR MCCAIN IN NOV.

Hillary Clinton knew all the rules going in. Since she and her husband HAVE to win, always and in anyway, they are spoiling for a fight. Unfortunately they want to win what the couldn’t at the ballot box and caucuses by making more of their dirty back-room deals. The same kind they made with Bill pardoning hundreds for money at the end of his term….
This is now all about the Clinton’s making sure Obama will not win in November, raising the race card so many times, just so they can run again in 2012. I have to agree with Mike….I am ashamed to be a Democrat now.
Hillary is such a weak woman, she has had to resort to crying (figuratively and literally) and playing the gender and race cards repeatedly.

COUNT ALL VOTES!!!
It’s the democracy, stupid!!!
If not Sen. Obama isn’t the legitim nominee.

The DNC started this primary season with the belief that a “refrigerator” could beat President Bush. They are so confident that his unpopularity will lead to a landslide Democratic victory they believe they can alienate the voters in Florida and Michigan with little ill effect. They are so confident that his unpopularity will lead to a landslide Democratic victory they believe they can alienate 50% of the 17 million voters supporting Hillary Clinton with little ill effect. They are so confident that his unpopularity will lead to a landslide Democratic victory they are willing to ignore the popular vote and the last two months of primaries and to dismiss the upcoming primaries and their voters as unimportant because of the “math.”
The old adage — pride comes before a fall — comes to my mind.

It does not matter what
the committee decides. One side
or the other will take them
matter to court where it will
finally be decided by the
Supreme Court. Immediately after
the results, the court actions
should be placed on a fast
track to finally settle the
matter.

Mike,
I agree….The Clintons know what they are doing, This is very shameful. I too am ashamed of being a Democrat.

independent voters who lean Democratic are more likely than any other subgroup tested to say they would vote for McCain if their candidate does not gain the nomination.
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Well they may be right, since I am an Independent voter!! I will vote for McCain if they let Hillary get her way!

Can you imagine her as President!!!
The USA falls into a deep depression like we have never seen, “Its the VOTERS fault for electing her!” LOL

jlynne,
all of the voters are being taken seriously. but, we will not let a few loud mouths hi-jack and control the democrat’s selection for our presidential nominee.
clinton’s argument/threat is flawed on several points.
1st, a combined group of voters which includes all the other groups voted for obama. that may mean that just like current demographics are changing the electoral map, the groups that support the democratic party may be changing, too.
2nd, you assume that everyone in the two groups you feel have the most clout will vote the same way in the general. won’t happen.
3rd, you’ve “misstated” obama’s position on gun ownership and abortion. it’s balance here that matters.
trying to achieve more clout while discounting/suppressing the vote of others (states) is exactly why michigan and florida are in the boat they’re in now.
hillary clinton’s supporters put womanhood above all other fair principles. i am a woman, so i feel that position is crazy. it is like a mother with a son and a daughter not loving both equally. democracy is not about who’s pushier, who can out-shout the loudest or who can be the most vindictive. it is about a collective unity on issues that matter to the whole group — the group as a whole.
democracy embraces all in a fair and balanced way. play by the RULES and we’ll all get along!
unless you are saying that the demographics of florida and michigan voters is peculiar (as it is in wv and ky), then the group, taken as a whole, doesn’t gain or lose anything by not counting florida’s and michigan’s votes cast in their state’s non-elections. the issue is the rules, and the rules alone.
48 states followed the rules and chose obama as the democratic nominee. at this juncture, 17 million people voted FOR obama.
the democratic majority wants a change — a change that isn’t motivated by vindictiveness that will achieve nothing. changing the rules and accepting michigan and florida’s votes will not change the outcome of the democratic choice for presidential nominee. it would, however, give the republicans more fodder.
obama ’08! YES WE CAN (AND WE WILL)!

“It appears that if Obama is on the ticket, some groups of Clinton-supporting Democrats are more susceptible to bolting the party and voting for the Republican nominee next fall than are others.”
They have apparently polled the wrong groups. I will not vote for Clinton and I’ve never voted republican in my life. I vote the economy, period. I vote Obama!
Obama ’08!

Perception is reality.
No logical explanation is going to prevent the people in Florida and Michigan from believing they were deprived of a meaningful voice in this election — or that the DNC played an important role in that deprivation.
No amount of cajoling is going to convince a pro-life democrat that someone who blocked the implementation of the Born Alive Infant Protection Act shares their values.
No amount of cajoling is going to convince a pro-2nd Amendment democrat that someone who favors implementing the UN Millenium standards banning all small arms shares their values. If you look at the Obama Global Anti-Poverty bill, Obama’s position paper that his staffers completed, and his statements in Chicago where he said that the city was more dangerous for school children than Baghdad was for IL soldiers — my characterization of his position is not overstated.
I imagine he will have difficulty cajoling conservative democrats to support his position on decriminalizing marijuana and ending the war on drugs too.
We live in a soundbite world — those soundbites are going to be very powerful

All of us are judged by the company and friends we keep. “Birds of a feather flock together”. Wright/Otis/Pfegler/Ayers/”I am prud of my country for the first time” all fir together. Pfleglers racist sexist statements confirms that vitriol was spewing consistently in that church for 20 yrs. Despite all the lies and denials of no knowledge whatsoever despite the spirtual mentor/sdvisors/friend/uncle/family tags the chieckens will come home to roost. Is the Democratic party so dumb and blind that it simply does not understand simple Math and logic to add 1+1+1+1=4. It is time for all of Reagan Democrats to reject the Democratic party once and for all and despite having the worst ever, yes the worst ever President in our History leave office, vote JM back into office. I will never, repeat never, elect someone with such radical anti-american frinds to office. Stick around Hillary. The Republicans will write Chapters 10,11, 12,13, 14 and 15 to the Wright saga. There will be much more to follow.

Obama’s position paper that his staffers completed, and his statements in Chicago where he said that the city was more dangerous for school children than Baghdad was for IL soldiers
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Actually the number of miliatary personnel killed in Badhdad IS less than the number of school-aged kids killed in Chicago every year.
So people have a problem with facts?

This blog is a bit misleading…
They should have mentioned that Obama did NOT put his name on the ballot in MI, It was added, When Obama found out that his name had been added to the ballot he removed his name.
He knew that MI votes did not count so this talk about him removing his name when he knew he was behind is really stupid.

The DNC has sent a message to the Democratic voters, that they are Gods over the people. What they want and say is more important than the Democrats in the party.
They have meddled in the election. They have altered the course of the election.
The refused to have a meeting in the beginning for the people, but will now have a meeting to decided upon what they want, not the people.
The have proven they do not care about what the people of the party wants. What is in best Interest of the entire party. what is in Best interest of the country.
That is Not democratic.
That Is Not American
That is the DNC playing God and being political Fixers.

The election in MI and FL wouldn’t stand the scrutiny of any election commission anywhere in the world.
Obama08

Obama naturally does not want Michigan or Florida to re-vote as it has been offered by several to pay for it….let the true American vote count…Obama’s campaign say no because he would loose in both and Hillary Clinton would really stand out as being ahead in popular vote. Obama says NO! You cannot have these people re-vote, I will not accept that and I am in charge now………….democracy is a thing of the past…too many older and white people in Florida and blue collar workers in Michigan. Forget them I do not need them.

This meeting is a real test for the democratic party to demonstrate that it is the party of fairness, the rule of law and it has democratic values and prnciples. It can demonstrate also that it is in a private Clintons’ machinery. Time will tell. God bless America and God bless Obama. OBAMA08.

OBAMA DID NOT FOLLOW THE RULES IN MICHIGAN. He had members of his campaign go door-to-door, urging and reminding people that an uncommitted vote would be a vote for HIM. Campaigning was against the RULES.

To me it is shame that this thing is happenning in the U.S. Changing the rules because of one woman. One thing is sure they have set a precedence. In 2012 every state is going to move their primaries forward. Can they punis them? No . They will always refer anybody to Clinton’s expisode. What a shame. It reminds me of African countries like Zimbabwe and Togo. Zimbabwe where Robert Mugabe has refused to leave even with him losing the elections.

It is time for all of us Reagan Democrats to abandon the Democratic Party and find an alternative independent party to the Republicans. The Republican are out of touch. But this is nothing compared to the very liberal,elitist,sexist Demcratic Party who are simply clueless and shun our basic values and the rights of Floridian voters like me. FL will be again red for JM in Nov and with OH doing the same it is game set and match to JM, unless some common sense comes out of the DNC and HRC is given the nomination.

It says a lot about us Americans when a man with an arabic name, a middle name of Hussein, and name so close to our National enemy numero uno that it is just a letter in the middle that is different is almost the Democratic party nominee. Let us be proud of that. But, that is where it stops. Unfortunately the man has similar radical and questionable associations as his name. He cannot be our President.

He is the best orator I have ever heard in my life and the most inspirational at that. But let us separate fiction from reality. Why did he dump on the bipartisan immigration reform bill at the last minute by abstaining even though he was visibly for it until the last minute? Why did he vote present in Chicago for bills that would have made school environments more ppublically and morally safe? Do we have a King or a Pretender to the throne?

You talk about Gaffes. Sure everyone has made Gaffes include HRC and JM. But, how on earth can you be our President, when you stumble, hesitate and them come up with 57 states for the US? Have you watched the video? The man is a joke. The entire Democratic party will be a joke if they nominate this guy. Reagan Democrats for HRC and if not for JM.

markymark,
That is exactly what I was thinking, too. If Clinton is so popular in Michigan, why did “uncommitted” get over 40% of the vote? Seems to me that Michigan voters made a very powerful statement by voting against her. Michigan voters want anybody but Hillary Clinton.
Obama 08

Obama can not win the White House, if you Dem’s want to stop the war and win you better think of something to do and quick.This last little deal with the Priest really hurt Obama with white voters.How a grown man can act like that, what a joke, unbelieveable.

Perhaps what the DNC needs to be united is a ticket with neither Hillary nor Obama on it. Would that solve the problem?

Can you imagine her as President?
Yes, we can!!!!
And much more easily than Obama with his America-hating wife, his radical friends, and his racist (both Black and White) clergymen.
That I could never imagine.

“Perhaps it’s because neither the Barack Obama campaign nor the media seem to understand what is at the heart of the anger on the part of women who feel that Hillary Clinton was treated unfairly because she is a woman or what is fueling the concern of Reagan Democrats for whom sexism isn’t an issue, but reverse racism is”
Obama could select Sebelius for his VP to shut that noise up.
Obama 08!

It does not matter if Obama took his name off the ballot or not. Come on people everyone knew that Mi and FL would not count and all the candidates agreed that they should not count. I am so sick of Hillary making her own rules. I agree that FL and MI votes should count but not the way Hillary would like. Seat the delegates and make it fair not the way Hillary want it she is not the QUEEN and she can not run everything! Hillary agreed that FL and MI should not be count so make it fair and let the rules not be broken without some type of punishment!

PT
not so fast you know it wont be a landslide… as of now Obama is behind in most electoral maps… enthusiasm is one thing but reality is another!

SandyB,
No, I am not suggesting Father Pfleger’s comments should be swept under the rug.
I am saddened that John McCain issued a stronger statement against Father Pfleger’s rants–which I consider highly offensive, racist, and sexist–than either Obama or Father Pfleger.
I was just surprised to find the article today — but then again it was on Fox.

Since when is any vote cast in an election in the this country only worth half?
The millions of American citizens in Florida and Michigan who went to the polls and cast their votes for their chosen candidate deserve to be heard. Since when do we not count each citizen’s vote in its entirety?
During the 1800s, African-American slaves in the southern states were counted as 1/2 of a person so that their white supremacist masters in these states could have more representation in Congress and were then able to pass their pro-slavery legislation for many years. The only problem was, these slaves were only counted for purposes of representation, and were not allowed to vote.
It sounds like this is what the DNC is trying to do now. They will allow Florida and Michigan delegates to be represented at the Convention, but do not want the votes that were cast in thsoe two states to count.

The super delegates should be focusing on who will win against McCain in November. Obama broke the rules in Florida by campaigning there through a television ad. He also told the people in Michigan to vote uncommitted after he took his name off. This is not the first time Obama has tried to stop people from voting. He did this same type of tactic in Illinois when running for the senate. If we want John McCain in the White House then continue with this foolishness. There will be another video surfacing and my guess is it will be coming out in October.
Hillary 08

Well the boys of the Democratic Party should be thinking twice about who votes and the fact that obama was only in this to begin with to take Federal Money. If he changes that and accepts money from outside resources … he should be arrested and impeached from the Senate! He can join the rest of usz for breaking the law!

Donna Brazille and other Obama supporters will not vote for anything that does not favor Obama or enhance his standing. How in God’s name did she ever get on this panel? When she first began her journey, she acted like she didn’t have a preference, but the longer I watched and listened it was clear she was for Obama. She has never been for Clinton.

What a damn mess.

I understand how Hillary can place her self ahead of the party and the country. But you who support her, how do you justify breaking the rules for her? I don’t understand why you risk letting the Republicans win yet again because of this woman and her hold over you. Maybe uneducated really means dumb although I never thought so before.

What makes people cynical about politicians? HRC supporter and DNC rules and bylaws committee member, Harold Ickes voted for a rule to penalyze states that do not obey the DNC schedule in 2007 when she was ahead to win the nomination. Now, when she is behind, not only is he against his own rule, but wants to penalize the candidate that obeyed it.
Wow, their audacity for duplicity!
He talks about it with no shame, and these lazy journalists don’t even expose him on it – every time he opens his mouth about this issue!
Unless we expose and get rid of people like Ickes from the political discourse, we the people will not be governed by decent people.

Clinton supporters,
Please think about this logically. Are you meaning to say that Mrs. Clinton and her representatives had NO say in the formation of the rules for the current primary season? Yes, I’ll bet they did. Didn’t Mrs. Clinton say herself that Michigan wouldn’t count? Yes, she did. Now that they’re behind they want to change the rules.
Her argument that the Michigan delegation be seated as is also doesn’t hold up to scrutiny. Are you meaning to say that NO ONE in Michigan voted for Obama or any of the other candidates? If all votes should be counted, as Mrs. Clinton keeps saying, how about giving Obama some credit for the substantial number of “uncommitted” votes?
And as far as Pfleger’s stupid circus show, let’s say that BOTH candidates have had similar situations. The media – as well as both campaigns – need to quit indulging in this “gotcha” stupidity.

Why didn’t they revote. They don’t have the right to leave FL. and MI out they know it that is why Sen. Spectior said he would hold hearing’s on this. Obama screwed himself when he took his name off the ticket he should have agreed to a revote plus Iowa NH NV and SC did the same thing.

Should of had a re-vote

A few months ago Ed Rendell and James Carville offered to raise the money to pay for a second primary in both Florida and Michigan, The DNC agreed to this deal as long as both candidates agreed. Clinton did– Obama didn’t!!
HILLARY 08

if they give Clinton anything she should not get because people followed the rules we are done and so will all of they be since they pissed of the majority of Americans especially those who hold their future careers in their hands…who will still be alive in 2030…dealing with this dispicable Clinton campaign fall out.

I’d rather see Will and Jada Smith as President and First Lady, I’d rather see Colin Powell and his Wife, I’d rather see Denzel Washington and his Wife Pauletta Pearson in the White House, so many I would chose to be the first AA president. First class families, all of them. BO is a joke. I will vote McCain if Hillary is not the Dems nominee. McCain made such great comments yesterday about Hillary in regards to the rediculous Pflager rants. He had the decency and ba**s to say what BO SHOULD have said!

half the electorate would be great…
but that is not what they are quabbling over…
Hillary, Ickes and the rest want more.
because half doesn’t get them closer to overturning the rest of the state votes….
and yes that is despicable..

Since Richardson, Edwards and Obama were the only ones that took their names off the ballot in MI, and those people had no choice other than to vote ‘uncommitted’ if they wanted to vote for any of them, and now Richardson and Edwards both support Obama, then those votes, and those delegates go to him.
How’s that for new math HRC?

Why would anyone vote for Obama—-my gosh WAKE UP AMERICA!!! He will certainly not be elected—Hillary would be the best to beat McCain and don’t count her out yet—-Bush won because of Florida and their acts and so why not let their delegates be counted!!! Hillary deserves for her votes to be counted… If Obama wins the nomination then it is most certain we will have a Republican in office.Do the American people want that??? 4 more years of the same ole Bush—–look what has happened since Bush was in office—can we afford another 4 years….

BO took his name OFF the MI ballot so he could go pander to Iowa and NH voters and say, “See, I’m with you, I took my name off the MI ballot, just to support Iowa and NH as the FIRST states to decide the primaries.” And it worked. He won Iowa, he’s a panderer. He’s a manipulator, going back to the dispicable way he removed his competition in IL.

Luckily the other campaigns who took their names off the ballot will have a say and tell the TRUTH about why the names were coming off the ballot…Ickes can spin it all he wants … when the rest of the campaigns get up and back Obama and tell them that Hillary is playing a game at the risk of the party…and the issues… this will be done…
If it didn’t then this wouldn’t be the great country that it is.

I don’t think the delegates should be seated from MI and FL They knew in advanced that they would be penalized when FL and MI moved their primaries, They should have made a fuss about it at that time!

dem38
Obama copying Bush’s run …really…
because they focused on the issues? No they didn’t they focused on trying to tear down the character of the other party and candidate…
sound familiar.
Hillary has run that cmapaign through and through.
Oh you mean that Obama is running on “uniting”… yeah…the people want that…that might be why he is running on it… because it is true.
That is where the similarities end.
Bush ran on his name… anyone with half a brain knows that…guess what another similarity to Hillary.
Obama is more like Bill Clinton’s first campaign…the young outside smart dem who has the right message for the time.
Don’t make up things like Obama is like Bush… Bush even ran on his “experience” being with his association to his father and family…his team was built out of his relatives old netwrok…sound familiar?…he knows how it’s done because of that experience when his dad like her husband was in office.
and guess what…he knew how the campaigning was done too bad he didn’t have the judgement…sound familiar.
so get a real argument instead of something that really plays badly for your candidate.

dem 38: I guess you’re saying he’s taken his positions from Hillary. Even if that were true they would have the same positions. Hence, why won’t you support him?

Should of had a revote

SandyB,
“He was riding high from that long string of primary wins he had, and thought everything was going to continue going his way. What did he care then about what Michigan and Florida thought?”
That’s a lie and you know it. How do you expect anyone to believe that Obama would not have LOVED to have campaigned in both Michigan and Florida? He could’ve won both states handily had he been allowed to campaign.
Obama has demonstrated that his campaign had a plan, a winning message of hope and a winning strategy. Hillary was the only one who didn’t have enough foresight to run her campaign. She said those votes didn’t matter. She said only the big states count. She said she wasn’t interested in the caucuses.
That was then… Roll tape to today. Now she regrets her statements because she realizes she does indeed need our votes. Obama knew he needed them from day 1, so stop blaming him for winning.
Obama 08

When I was was doing exams in college, I didn’t perform well on some of them because my strategy going into the exam was not well planned out. I took more time on some questions than I should of and then bamm, I ran out of time. On hindsight, if I should of jumped on other questions instead of staying on one too long and the results of the test would have been a lot better. The rules said I had 2 hours to do the test but I ran out of time and I kick myself for not planning my game plan very well. But I have no choice; I suck it up and accept the results because those were the rules and it was made for everyone to keep it fair.

You count all the votes people are funny. This primary stuff is like pro sports. The parties make up their own rules and the government sanctions that the actual voting process was done ethically. This has nothing to do with voting in elections and one person, one vote.
The fact that primaries force you in many cases to register with a party is proof that artificial rules govern these things. That we have a caucus is proof that artificial rules apply.
The only litigation here is whether the party violated its rules governing the primaries.
Nobody is being prevented from voting. The issue is what do we do since the Clinton crew of “brain surgeons” and “rocket scientists” said last year and a few years ago that the votes would not count toward a normal amount of delegates. If the penalty to the states was that none should count, then it should be none. To say that Obama gets nothing from Michigan is stupid and a non-starter.
The popular vote is mucked up because caucus vote tallies are missing and Obama’s totals in Michigan and Florida don’t reflect what was going on. I’m not saying he would have won but I know the numbers are not real.

Anything besides the full seatings of MI and FL delegates is a win for Obama.
Saying that, I believe the ruling will definitely favor Obama.
Delegates = 1/2 vote and Michigan 50/50
Win for Obama

tired of idiots
because to trained political observers he comes across as an empty suit but ambitious and that wont fly!

I hope they only seat half because then we can go to the floor .

Clinton supporter need to face facts and help the De. party win the GE. Even if the DNC did everything Clinton desired she will still not win the nomination. The SDs will move to Obamas side by next weeks end and that’s most likely the outcome. If you are a spoiled looser and want to join McCain then go for it. Fox and the Rep party will welcome you. McCain needs help. There will be enough voters crossing over to the Dem side to make up your loss and more. Obama will tear McCain up on debates and McCain will probably beat himself.

Bishop
that was always the plan and the good Dr dean is gonna walk right into it!

Well i know what i will and thousands like me will do if we are forced to do in Nov….Obama is unelecable and it’s as plan as the nose on your face …People are and will not vote for the unknown…These are Facts wait and see if Obama is the nominee come Nov…McCain will be the next President….And i will be happy to vote for McCain over Obama…Obama has nothing to offer….He offers nothing but words that are wrote for him…Hillary 08

mark
clinton people are half of your vote in nov so you better be nice or go away… you wont win on your own right anyway!

Dl
ok to start with he doesnt go far enough on health care he should include 100 percent of the people in universal healthcare no exceptions

dem38:
You obviously want Hillary. I did about a year ago at this time. Over time I realized that she was no different from Bill except that apparently she doesn’t sleep around. The Clinton lies really started to pour once this got going though and I am sick of it.
To the primaries. Why is Obama being punished for following the rules that Hillary’s crew set up? This points to a clear Clinton flaw in negotiating treaties. Obama is somehow accused of “stealing the primary election.” IF anything Hillary lost it because she was prepared on Day One, 30, 60, 90, 120, 150. Perhaps she is better prepared now but she is still behind–that is called losing.
Also, what is this Obama is flawed because he speaks at ticketed events?? He speaks at ticketed events because he draws so many people at these things that seating has to be arranged so that people aren’t hurt due to shuffling around–local fire departments likely required this as well as past rock concert experience. It is called planning and being smart–concerned about human welfare not just politics. Another reason why I am for Obama.

dem38
you threaten Obama voters with walking away if they “aren’t nice”
and you just referred to people as idiots…
Maybe you should start practicing what you preach.
Hillary needs voters too…because as it is she may disappear into oblivion after this because she had a low ceiling and high floor to begin with and there is a very good chance she is not going abck to ANY office.

DL
go ahead and vote for mccain you are in the same predicament and you cant dictate! Obama wont win on his on anyway thats our point!

jim
Obama cant win and it will be a faarce in the GE

CW
Nope the full committee has about half clinton voters -FACT and she will win in a GE matchup as an independant with less than a plurality but thats life!

dem38
you have to get costs under control first before universal healthcare…otherwise it won’t pass and more importantly it won’t work
period
look at Mass…and that is a state with a huge healthcare resource…what do you think would happen in states like Mississippi and Kentucky…where universal healthcare is really needed.
The worst billing in the healthcare field is Medicare…a large bureaucratic system… universal healthcare introduced as Hillary has laid it out will destroy our system…think how hard it is to get a family doc…now and the issues with nurses and that their salaries are going through the roof (rightfully)
Hillary is doing what she always does…making the statements that get someone elected in 30 second soundbiites…we can’t do that anymore… It’s what Bush did.

and dem38
Hillary couldn’t win in her strongest demographic…the dem party… she hasd a low ceiling and high floor…now she has pissed off half of that group… how do you come to the idea that she is the stronger candidate?
When you take apart the real numbers …not the ones in the heat of a primary where obama’s are similar to Bill Clinton’s numbers in 92…which proved false)… he is hands down the better candidate.

DL
the Independant run that they have planned out is modeled on the 92 run the only thing similar to Bill Clinton that Obama has in regards to 92 is his youth period!

This will all be over by this time next week.
Obama will be our nominee. Hillary will campiagn for him and bridge the gap between her and his supporters.
Obama will win come November and that’s that.

if you were truly a trained political observer you’d understand that the differences in their health care plans are trivial compared to the changes that will get made as a part of the legislative process. But, as I’ve said, I’m….

Obama blocked a re-vote and is no longer from a legal tradition point of view able to advocate counting in another way than what we have, in Michigan 55% Clinton and 40% uncommitted. If he was unhappy with this, he should have accepted a re-count.
Instead i wanted to stop count itself which is against Dems rule, and more important the higher rule above stating “one voter, one vote”.
In the end, this is about us, our democracy and our rules.

Amazing to me that anyone would agree with stripping FL and MI of their delegates. Nothing in a democracy may interfere with the right of every citizen to vote. This is a DEMOCRACY. Make an exception based on Party “rules” and we are lost. “The Party” does not have a right to strip any citizen of their vote. Punish the party, not the voters. The Party is not a parent. The voters are not children.
Next time, it might be YOUR candidate whose supporters’ votes are taken away. Do you not realize this?

Sen. Clinton’s huge 43 point in win in West Virginia, and 30 point win in Nebraska, should open the eyes of those DNC insiders, I hope. She’s now ahead in popular vote too. Florida and Michigan is still unresolved! Considering Sen. Obama has not won even one single major battle-ground state, like Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, Florida, Texas, New York, California, New Jersey, Massachusetts and so on and on, his most wins have come from caucuses, where small groups of zealots (MoveOn.Org people) operating to manipulate them. Sen. Obama got a large proportion of delegates for the small number of votes received in these caucus states! But that’s not going to help in the general election. You can figure out for yourself, what really matters in the general election and which Democratic candidate is stronger and more electable? If you look at the Electoral College stands as of right now, Clinton vs. Obama. These are “winner-take-all” electoral votes for each state, general election calculations. Florida and Michigan is not considered.
Clinton 261
Obama 181
Include Florida and Michigan;
Clinton 305
Obama 181
Let’s say with Clinton winning Indiana, West Virginia, Kentucky, and Obama winning North Carolina, South Dakota, Oregon and Montana, would then be, even without Florida and Michigan:
Clinton 285
Obama 209
Even if you give Indiana, to Obama, the totals would be, still without Florida and Michigan:
Clinton 274
Obama 220
We all know it takes 270 Electoral College votes to win the General Election. This shows which of the Democratic candidates is better able to win in the General Election. Sen. Obama also lacks support among women voters, Reagan Democrats, working class average Americans, Latinos, union members, older Americans and so on. Sen. Clinton would make a much stronger candidate to face Republican John McCain in the general election. African American black voters and city dwellings liberals have never won presidential elections for Democrats. Sen. Obama is too weak to win the presidency for Democrats! Therefore if Sen. Obama is the Democratic nominee, it would be a big mistake! The media is trying hard to anoint Sen. Obama as the democratic nominee, just like the way it took us over the cliff in Iraq!

I don’t know why Hillary supporters are making a fuss over this.
Is it b/c this is her ONLY way of having a particle valid argument for the nomination?
If FL and MI delegates are seated so will their votes.
It’s possible that Clinton can win the popular vote but there’s a problem.
It’s a delegate race. We know, she knows, and so does the SDs.
She will lose the delegate race and therefore lose the nomination either way you count it.
Al Gore won the popular vote in the 2000 election and still lost.
That’s why we have the magic number 2026 which will likely increase with the addition of MI and FL.
By this time next week Obama will have locked in the nomination. All this bickering should stop.

So the Democratic “Star Chamber” cannot agree on whether or not our (the people’s) votes are important. What’s to argue about? Florida’s votes should be counted and Michigan should have a re-vote (because Obama was not on the ticket). Why is this so complicated?

Here we go again, another Florida problem. What is it with that state? If it’s not hanging chads, or knowing how to vote properly, now it seems they do not know how to follow rules.
The only fair way to proceed is for the DNC to stick to their decision! Otherwise states will end up repeating this mess! The only reason we are making a big stink about this is because of cry baby Clinton!

DL
I dont care Obama cant get to universal health care the way he does it and tax breaks for health savings accts are bogus!

vanessa
if it increases then Obama cant reach the new number by next week—-FACT

Posted by jlynne: “Apparently, the rules committee meeting is not enough to keep more from coming out on the good Father…”
As we both know, there is considerably more to the Fox report than what you included in your post.
More of the story:
Pfleger is a white priest at a largely black church. He’s held hands with Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan. He’s been arrested dozens of times and battled anyone he thinks has wronged his parish — from gun dealers to a local Catholic sports league.
Pfleger has donated to Obama’s state Senate and presidential campaigns, and sat on a Catholics for Obama committee until a few weeks ago. When Obama was in the Illinois Legislature, he helped land more than $200,000 in state grants for outreach programs run by Pfleger’s church.
The relationship between Obama and Pfleger has been a long one.
Pfleger has donated $1,500 to Obama’s campaigns for state office and another $1,500 to his presidential campaign.
Obama cited Pfleger, along with Wright, as one of his spiritual advisers in a 2004 Chicago Sun-Times story. Pfleger helped Obama’s Iowa campaign by taking part in a faith forum.
In March, St. Sabina gave Wright a hero’s welcome after Pfleger invited him to give the benediction.

If it increases Obama can reach the new number by next week. Its been no hidden fact that a large majority of the remaining SDs have decided on Obama.
Their waiting for June 3 or beyond… possibly a week to endorse him.

Yes, Toroid, I am a Hillary supporter, but I also believe that if Obama was excluded from a ballot, that state should have a re-vote WITH Obama on the ballot. Even though you believe Hillary supporters should be “punished”, I don’t believe Obama supporters should be excluded, either. The party bosses in their “smoke-filled rooms” should NOT determine who will be our next President; the PEOPLE should! The Democratic Star Chamber should have NO place in the American political process. (And neither should the Republican bosses.)
The only “rules” should be election LAWS. Period.

Vanessa,
That’s the exact right cavilier attitude we have come to expect from the Obama campaign. You could care less about Florida and Michigan voters, you only care “if” the delegate count increases. That’s the type of arrogance that we would expect to see in the upcoming “general caucus”. By the way, where do I go to participate in the “general caucus”?
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Obama and BitterGate, we shall not forget!
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A few weeks ago, Nancy Pelosi said we need to “fix” the Primary procedure. I’m not sure what she proposes, but America’s primary elections should all be held on a Federally-specified date, just like the general election. Caucuses and conventions should be abolished. This year is a perfect example of what a mess our primary process has become, with a few party bosses determining the outcomes in both major parties.

Looks like the DNC has not received the message = MCCAIN 08
Their golden candidate will be defeated – and with more proof he has a 20 year relationship with anti-white hate mongers – it is a done due.

Rhys – I cannot agree with you more – a revote in both states (because you cannot call a FL campaign an equal for both candidates) would’ve been the best outcome. Sadly, it didn’t happen. So what now, then – reverse the rules? Doesn’t sound fair to me. If you flank the exam – they might give you a chance to retake the test – not just correct your numbers to get you a passing score…

Listen is right. Now explain the difference between the political ideals and goals of Barrack Obama and those of Hillary Clinton.

Oh and one more thing.
Guess who the black social activist Alice Palmer is supporting? Hillary Clinton. Of course.
She of all people knows what a complete jerk Obama is.

The United States is so extremely fortunate that Howard Dean never made it to the office of the president. I would rather watch and listen to 10 hours of Bush than 5 minutes of Dean. He, along with Pelosi and Reid, are the most inept leaders in history. After they selected and anointed Obama mindful of treating him with kid gloves and blatantly disrespecting Hillary, they now want us to come together for the sake of the Democratic Party? Not this dem!
McCain 2008 – Yes We Can!!

Cap,
Yes, I just keep remembering that the same people who love Obama were the same freaks who loved Howard Dean.
That tells you all you need to know.
President McCain – yes we can!!

To Listen, et al:
If those are your beliefs, I respect them, however I would suggest that if that is how you feel, than an admitted Republican might be a better choice for you than a closet one, I think Mr.McCain would wholeheartedly agree with you.
The rest of us are tired of living under the rule of a Plutocratic Oligarchy and are in the mood for some actual, meaningfull change leading us back to a government of, by, and for the people.

CAN SOMEONE ANSWER THIS NO KIDDING, DID THE FOLKS IN THESE TWO STATES NOT KNOW THAT THERE DELEGATES WOULD NOT COUNT IF THEY HELD THERE RACE TO EARLY? OR DID THE DEMS(GASP)LIE TO THE VOTERS OF THESE TWO STATES? IF THE RULES WERE LAID OUT AND FLA/MICH WENT AND HELD THE RACE EARLY THEN BOO-HOO TO BAD, TAKE OUT YOUR PROBLEMS WITH THEM AT THE POLLS IN NOVEMBER.

Roxanne, and you guys will be toast in November. That means you have another 5-6 months to live in your fairy tale.
Enjoy.

Well I suppose DNC committee members, super delegates, Washingon insiders, lobbyists, special interest groups, wheelers and dealers are a kind of Democracy?

I was only 10 years old when Harry Truman defeated Tom Dewey for President, but it’s a lesson that NO one should ignore. Just because a candidate APPEARS to be “guaranteed” victory doesn’t mean it will happen.
The general election is the ONLY remaining venue in which WE have anything to say about who will be our President. You party bosses in your respective Star Chambers might want to think about this.
My wife and I would have definitely voted for Clinton this November, but now it seems we must “hold our noses” and vote for McCain.

We know Obama has excluded votes before so he could “win” his seat in Illinois and we won’t let him do that to our country again. A vote is a vote not half a vote. Thank you for standing up for all the people in Florida and Michigan!!
Hillary 08

If “American Idol” can put up their second-best, then why not the Democratic Party?
Maybe THAT’S their “logic”!

All the votes should count in Florida and Michigan. Obama chose to take his name off the ballot in Michigan. Florida’s election was moved up by the Republicans, not the Democrats. There is no reason all the votes in Florida should not count. If a voter votes one vote it should count. There should be no superdelegates. If no candidate reaches the number of delegates needed to win the nomination, the candidate who wins the popular vote should be the nominee. If the superdelegates do not go with the popular vote they are overturning the will of the people.

This is beyond ridiculous. Obama obeys the rules and he gets penalized, Hillary disobeys the rules and gets rewarded. What a crock! She is getting rewarded because she is now getting her way like a spoiled brat on the floor kicking and screaming. Why is it the DNC hasn’t just told her that the rules are the rules and need to be followed? Even the voters in these two states knew they were voting in a ‘beauty contest’ that their vote didn’t count, and so did the Clintons and the Clinton campaign. Why is the DNC afraid of her and Bill? She also doesn’t want the states Obama won counted in the popular vote. HA! All those caucus states he won where people actually voted and voted for him the Clintons want to disenfranchise those voters, they say those states do not matter, that they do not count. How can this be allowed? It is not unfair, IT IS CRIMINAL!! Why hasn’t someone shut her up whenever she belches she has won all the votes? HA! What a joke. What a fiasco. What a waste of time, people and democracy. Clinton does not give one hoot about the peoples’ votes, she only cares about one thing and that is getting back in the white house as president and doing ANYTHING, ANYTHING, to get there, and anything short of that she will continue to kick and scream and scratch and snake and continue to divide America as she strongly did in West Virginia and Kentucky especially, campaigning on racial divide. In fact the longer this contest has continued with each new state the racial element got stronger and stronger because the Clintons made it so when they saw that was the only way they could possibly win. And so, she goes to these states and tells the voters everybody’s trying to kick her out of the elections, that all the men are against her the woman, that she is the more electable because she is white, that Barack Obama is not electable because he is black, so she wins the state based on racial divide and all you hear is that she won overwhelmingly. Sure she did, because she played right into the racist bigotry already dormant in those states. She does not deserve to be president. She should have told those people racism has no place in the election, that if they plan to vote against Obama because he is black that she doesn’t want their vote either. But instead she and Bill Clinton did the opposite, feeding the racial frenzy.
The Clintons really need to hang it up. I think they have caused more damage, more division, more ugliness, and if it goes on it will be so bad in terms of really dividing this country along racial lines because that’s the way the Clintons want it — and they’ve gotten their way thus far.

If the DNC is so firm in their following the rules and “they were warned” stance, then why is there even a hearing today? If it is their true conviction that these states broke the rules and are to be punished, why is the DNC going to change their punishment that was set out at the beginning? It’s all or nothing. They need to stick by what they originally said would happen or they need to throw the whole “playing by the rules” arugment out. No gray in between. See the problem here is the same problem the democrats have had for years – they never elect leaders with a backbone that will stand up and do the right thing, it always comes down to wimpy wishy washy crap. So those that say Clinton agreed to this, they need to remember that Dean said if these states went ahead with their primaries – NO delegates would be seated. He agreed to that punishment.
All or nothing.

The Party big wigs are trying to nominate Obama over the will of the people, which want Hillary.

Dem38,
Maybe I didn’t make myself clear, I’ll try again THIS IS THE SELECTION PROCESS THE PARTY USES TO SELECT A CANDIDATE, NOT A GENERAL ELECTION.
they do not have to follow the rules of a general election. If the party wants to they can select their candidate based on caucuses, elections, a roll of the dice, or the color of underwear the candidate prefers.
IT IS A SELECTION PROCESS CHOSEN BY THE PARTY TO CHOOSE THEIR OWN CANDIDATE, NOT A GENERAL ELECTION.

Wexler is doing a GREAT job.

The Clinton reps have already spoken.
Also Sen.Clinton remarks of Kennedy were not misrepresented. She said what she said and knew exactly what she was saying.

Michael- How is it that only the delegates that were not elected by anyone are the most “democratic”.
You start off by saying the popular vote should count, and I agree, maybe it should, but if that is the case, how does your train of thought jump that track and go on to praise the virtue of only the delegates that have not won ANY votes.
And by the way, it is not a question as to whether it should be determined by popular vote or delegate count. The rules say the candidate will be chosen by the delgate count, and all involved knew that going in. You either follow the rules you agreed to in the first place, or you don’t.

It is the same and I’m glad Obama has distanced himself from both.
But there is one fundematal difference, Obama did not say these comment.
You can bring bitter-gate up but Obama has given a proper interpretation.
What’s Clinton excuse for her Kennedy comments or her Bosnia comments? She has none.

The DNC look like idiots for backing Obama – but, they are hell bent on destruction.
I do believe this is much more complicated than the American people have been led to believe. I believe there is a conspiracy and movement to the far left, and it just so happens that Dean, Pelosi, and Reid have those same beliefs – they are in positions of power – and they see this as their time with a candidate is the most far left this country has ever seen. He has ties that would scare anyone; yet, he continues on his merry way to be the nominee.
America you are not well informed!!!!!!!!!!! Obama will change the face of America forever into a socialistic/marxist country. And, the vast majority of the dems are in full agreement with his radical ideas – including his and his associates anti-white sentiments. We are going to see payback for (as they perceive) it 100 years of wrong to the blacks.
I do not have any prejudice – my best friend is AA; however, I now know that there is serious anger/hate and I believe there will be revenge.
I am deeply concerned for our country. I didn’t want to see another Repub in office, but I feel we have no choice but to vote for McCain in 08. fyi – I believe there is more coming on Mr. Obama.

“disgusted in Illinois” – racist much?

If you want the end of America, Vote Obama

jrivera, I say to you why are you supporting Obama who surrounds himself with racist, anti-American anti-semites including, Rev. Wright, Ayers, Father Pfleger, Odinga (the corrupt marxist Kenyan leader) to name a few.

Leadership:
I saw the pictures of the protests in DC. Don’t be swayed by the “200 White Post-Menopausel(?) March!” Geez, I bet there are more reporters there covering this than concerned Hillary supporters. Maybe this fear of lost Hillary votes is a lot of smoke?

Mr. Coffee – latte I assume is your preference?
You are dead wrong – there are millions of us white post menopause voters out here.
You really fit the Obama supporter profile – insulting and degrading women.
I take offense to your degradation of women. What is your real issue with post menopausal women???????????

Obama has made so many lies and gaffes he belongs in an old folks home.

Any man that degrades women as you have here today, and the Obama campaign and his associates have will deserve what they get in November.
Racism is nothing compared to the horrible prejudice against women that the obama campaign and supporters have shown.
Keep up the good work on this site – let the truth behind your gender prejudice continue – more ammo for the fall.

ObamaGoddess you have spoken to how many Hillary supporters? Millions I assume – OMG

So who are you – someone big and powerful to speak to millions of voters.
Just like Obama 57 states, Auchwitz, Uncle in the Army
Are we making things up Goddess – just like you idol Obama??????????

4 years of Bush compared to a possible 4 years of Obama.
Bush: Lowered Taxes
Obama: Will raise taxes.
Bush: No attacks on American soil since 9/11
Obama: Obama’s weak foreign policy tactics of talking to enemy leaders without precondition will make the US look weak and more vulnerable to another 9/11 attack. If you don’t believe me Obama’s own example of the Kennedy/Kruscheff 1961 talks illustrates what happens when a US leader talks without preconditions with an enemy leader as Obama says he will do. Kennedy admitted that he was unprepared and made the US look weak Two months later the Berlin wall was erected and stood for 28 years.
Bush: The increased the strength of the military has Al Qaeda on the run per the latest CIA report.
Obama: During a time of war, will disarm the US and downsize the military thus making the US more vulnerable to attack.

BOTTOM LINE is that Clinton and her supporters are just mad that Obama beat her at HER own game. They never in a million years thought that Obama would be any real compitition.
He’s not only compitition, but may get the nomination. This has Clinton supporters HOT !!
Ya’ll can try to clean it up ALL YOU WANT TO…….all this crap about sexism is weak and sad !!!!
She got BEAT….PERIOD !!!!!!

It is true that people spew hate when they talk about Hillary but this is something that was sold to the people via the media. It is the same media that sold us GWB and are selling us Obama. Hillary has trounced Obama in knowledge and in her understanding of policy and yet the media wants to shove the inexperienced Obama down our throats even though there is a smart and experienced candidate on the ballot. It is extremely disappointing to see how inexperience wins over experience and it is this that turns people away from politics. The media sold us GWB over the experienced Al Gore, they sold us the Iraq War and now they have almost sold us Obama. The people never seem to learn and I hope they learn sometime in the future soon or we are going to be another 3rd world country.

I could not see GWB on tv after the mess he has brought about. Now GWB seems so experienced and wonderful compared to what is waiting in the wings for America!

Voter. You have to be kidding. The Clintons are media darlings. Even when Obama’s wins, its still about Hillary. The media is beside themselves that they cannot override the voters and give the nominee to Hillary. The media has always been against GWB and loved Gore. Gore lost because smart people saw through him. Its also obvious you have never been to a third world country because you have no idea what you are talking about.

IF BHO is really leading and winning hands down, DEMs wont be in this mess

If BHO is really winning it ….Dean would not be looking so glum on CNN today chairing the DNC meeting

The DNC is split, the voters are split…even the SDs are split…what a primary season !!!
I stil prefer the good ole Knock Outs

Timothy, In addition, 4 years of Obama will bring as high as $8.00 a gallon at the gas tank as Obama refuses to drill for more oil or build new refineries as Bush is proposing. Obama will drive industry out of the US and thus cause much higher unemployment.

A BHO voter is someone who reads “Audacity of Hope”. An anti-BHO voter is someone who understands BHO”
- paraphrasing Ronald Reagan -

My father is from Iran, I have been there several times. I am a citizen there (whatever that means anymore) and I thought that the reason I live in this country and love it so dearly is because there ARE RULES that allow the honest to prevail and the dishonest to perish. There is structure, regulation and you can feel confident that such rules were set in place for a reason. The fact that this “issue” even exists in our western world is ludicrous. I am absolutely baffled by this. How can she criticize the “Bush Empire” when the Clinton’s use their contacts and lobbyists just as much, except hidden behind a donkey rather than an elephant? My vote doesn’t matter in Iran and the unjustifiable, random inter workings of the central government there almost seems to loosely compare to this fest of absolute embarrassment for any democracy….So sad that the common person like myself living in this country can’t see past this & feel the betrayal lurking around the corner. Hillary is setting the path smooth for John McCain and putting her name above the moral and success of the party. I’m ashamed to be a democrat right now- We look like fools.

It’s not math.. a long time ago it stopped being about math. It’s the map, it’s the message, it’s the tone, it’s character: It’s all about the superdelegates!
I for one see no reason why they should reward Obama for running the most negative campaign in years. What comes from father Pfleger, came from the Obama-campaign from day one. There’s nothing left of the Obama pillars:
* change (Obama is Old-liberal Dems all the way),
* bridging the divide (with his disrespect, give me a break)
* hope (Obama breaks the mole on divisive)
Clinton beats Obama on Character!

I am a Floridian and I disagreed with the decision to move the primary to January 29th. In protest, I did not vote in the primary. Everyone is talking about seating the Florida delegates to represent the primary election results, what about the people who did not vote in the primary because we were told the primary didn’t count. Now our votes don’t really count at all because people who did vote will now represent everyone. This whole issue of deciding to seat the delegates now is a very self-centered, egotistical tactic by the Clintons to steal the nomination.
I am ashamed to be associated with the same gender as Hillary Clinton and it absolutely amazes me that women across this country cannot see how grandiose she is. She hasn’t dropped out of the race because she still can’t believe that the majority of Americans, as represented by our delegates, do not want her in the White House. She’s holding on in case something happens like with “Robert Kennedy in June 1968.” How can intelligent, independent, assertive women of the 21st Century fall for the crap that this woman spews out at us.
I will be very upset if each delegate in Florida is allowed a full vote, especially given the fact that they will not be representing me or the other voters who decided not to participate in this primary.

Question for Clinton fans.
Why is it you insist the voters of Florida shouldn’t be punished because of the actions of the Florida Party in bringing forward the Primary – but you think the potential Obama voters in Michigan should be punished because of the decision of Barack to take his name off the ballot?
I don’t care which way this goes as long as it is fair. Either the voters should not be punished and that means a way should be found to count those who wanted to vote for Obama in Michigan (even if you have to repoll the whole state), or the Democratic Party rules should be upheld and the decisions made before the contents should be upheld.
It is fundamentally wrong to argue that every vote should count – and at the same time argue that every Obama in supporter in Michigan should be disenfranchised. Counting every vote means not just counting those who had the chance to vote for their nominee – but also finding a solution that shows the DNC cares about the hundreds of thousands of people who never had the chance to vote for the person they wanted to.
And before a Hillary-ite says that it was Obama’s choice to take his name off the ballot – shame on you. Isn’t your whole argument that voters should not be punished for the decisions made by politicians. If you truly believe that – act like you do. That is of course if you truly believe in fair play rather than whatever helps your nominee win.
Jenny

I’m sure the superdelegates will come out next week and if Obama has more supers then Hillary will bow out. I can’t see it going to the convention.

roxanne, typical leftist, instead of addressing the issues you name call. Why don’t you do a little research on the agenda of Acorn and Obama’s ties to them. If you do you will find that Acorn is a radical left wing group that believes in a very authoritarian style of socialism which Obama seems pretty in tune with. The definition of serfdom is “A state of subjugation to a master”. In an authoritarian form of socialism that Acorn advocates the “master” is the State. Thus Obama’s allegiance to Acorn is very troubling given his speeches, although full of a lot of pretty words, seem to be very much in line with Acorn’s core beliefs. After all, Obama believes that the power of the State is the answer to all the peoples problems, not the free market. So how can that come about without the boot of the State coming down to crush all of our necks in the name of the collective “good” Obama is calling for? You tell me.

Obama knew the rules not to run ads-radio-newspapers anything.Obama did.broke those rules
Hillary did not!
Obama took his name off the ballot and he all along said to the public I wasn’t on the ballot.Liar.We ahve been telling people that he was and he took his name off the ballot.MSNBC-Obama wasn’t on the ballot.Liars He was.
Obama-Richarson-John Ewards went uncommitted after they took their names off the ballot and there they broke the rules because it was not aproved for them to do so.
It was the repubs who moved the date up.It was on tv that told the people to go vote.Not Hillary
Hillary did nothing wrong get that in your closed minded minds.
Obamas judements-words-lies anfter lies.and more he is a a-want-a-be for his own agenda.But the repubs will get it again cause today we are not going to be sweet talk in as they are trying to do something when the rules they know who broke them and still with their planned agenda. Hillary supporters will take no less then the truth.
I will never vote or fall in line with Obama or our DNC-Dean Howard PEPSI OLS LADY DID THIS.I won’t be in a democratic party who lies-cheats!

roxanne, Once again you name call and do not address the issues. Is it because you cannot avoid the fact that Obama and Acorn are very much in alliance when it comes to Obama’s belief in an authoritarian form of socialism as the vehicle to implement Obama’s vision of change. If you want the State as your “Master” with the force of law dictating what you can drive, what and how much you can eat and what temprerature to set your thermostat at, I say vote Obama cause that is what you will get, Obama has said so.

Obama should really watch his back when offering any compromise to Clinton. She is very sneaky and probably has some ace in the hole. I wouldn’t trust her if I were him.
Obama 08

Clinton sounds like she owns DNC. What a stupid and childish manner. I am a woman of her age but I am so proud that I do not support her. In January she said herself that the votes in Michigan do not matter. After 60 years of her life has she not learned not to break rules?

Hi Dave, WOW you are genius !
“People voting without any campaigning is like arranged marriage, where the bride not the groom knows anything about each other without knowing anything about each other.”
Exactly so!

This whole situation is like a football game in which one team is ahead by 14 points with two minutes to go. Suddenly, the losing team declares that the pre-game ‘warm-up’ touchdowns it scored should be counted, before the other team even showed up. Hillary, you can’t change the rules late in the 4th quarter, or at any other time, for that matter!

After watching the Rules & Bylaw Committee for a bit today, I am just disgusted by how unprofessional this meeting has been. What is pretty a cut-and-dry case of rules being broken on both the party of Michigan and Florida has turned into this long, drawn-out, long-winded blah-blah-blah fest. Honestly, what is the big deal? The rules were that states had an allowable window of dates. FL and MI rolled the dice and lost. One of the guys on the committee actually said today, “Can anyone point to more than just one rule that was broken by Michigan?” All on the panel stayed silent. And the committee member acted as if he’d proven that MI shouldn’t lose their votes. MI and FL frickin’ broke the rules. What a bunch of bags of wind? They didn’t even spoken to the legal issues involved nor any factual issues. My respect for the Democratic Party “leaders” has been totally disintegrated by today’s debacle.

ICKIES JUST GOT SMACKED DOWN!
YES

disgusted in Illinois – Give Sen. Obama a chance! A vote for McCain is another vote for Bush. Eight years of disaster wasn’t enough? Duh? We know Bush has destroyed this country and so will McCain. We don’t know what Obama will do, but whatever it is, it can’t be WORSE than what Bush/McCain has/will done/do.

Yessssssssssssss! 1/2 vote each state. neither florida nor michican changes the outcome and the voters are respected.
Obama ’08!
YES WE CAN!!!!!!!!!

STOP!
Stop arguing.
President Obama in 2008 and 2012.
Nuff said!

J. T. Bigglesworth:
PRECISELY!

DING DONG THE WITCH IS DEAD! IF CLINTON SUPPORTERS DON’T VOTE FOR OBAMA SO BE IT! I’D RATHER SEE OBAMA IS THE NOMINEE AND POSSIBLY LOSE THAN HAVING THAT HAGG BE THE NOMINEE! I’M SORRY BUT THAT’S HOW I FEEL! CHUCK TODD IS RIGHT! THE CLINTONS NO LONGER CONTROL THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY! IT’S OBAMA’S PARTY NOW! IF THAT HAGG TRYS ANYTHING AT THE CONVENTION HER MIKE WILL BE KILLED AND SHE’LL LIKELY BE DRAGGED OFF THE STAGE. KINDA LIKE NOW! I CAN’T WAIT FOR TUESDAY!

WHAT THE CREDENTIALS COMMITEE SHOULD DO IS TELL THE CLINTON CAMPAGIN THAT THEY WILL HEAR THEIR ARGUMENTS ON MONDAY!
CONVENTION MY ASS!

I can’t wait to see Clintons disappear from media …!

Posted by: Bridget | May 31, 2008 5:06:54 AM
POSTED:
COUNT ALL VOTES!!!
It’s the democracy, stupid!!!
If not Sen. Obama isn’t the legitim nominee.
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Tell to HILLARY! She’s the one who agreed NOT to count the votes; that is, until she saw she was LOSING!! She’s a HYPOCRITE, stupid!

Why does the American media insist on the Democratic primary race going to Obama and going to him RIGHT NOW? Is it because they continue to work for Bush/Rove and these pipsqueaks want the easiest path possible for McCain–”Obama.”
How easy do the Republicans want it? An African American Democratic candidate in a predominantly white country. An ex-cocaine user. A man with TWO ministers from “politically incorrect hell.”
That’s what the “real campaign” in the fall will be about once Obama is nominated; Cocaine, Ministers who stand on their tongues and “how in the world do the Democrats get the Latino vote back?”
On that chilly November night when Obama goes the way of other, politically speaking, unqualified candidates like McGovern, Mondale and Dukakis, all Democrats will wish we had “seen this Bush/Rove conspiracy coming.”

I still think we should bring back George McGovern and let him have one more go in the fall . Dump Obama and Hilary .