Gallup Analysis: Clinton Has Swing State Advantage

I say, yes they are; and it is politically correct to do so.

Obama’s the best bet.
The difference between these candidates is that Obama can actually win over voters and Hillary cannot. Moreover, her campaign has been absolutely terrible. She has squandered every advantage possible. The ONLY reason she is still around is because she has decided to ignore the “math” and try to steal the election using the ONLY metric she may– have the popular vote.
Course it’s not used to determine the nominee, but that doesn’t matter to her.
But the Republicans will not allow her to steal the GE as she is attempting to steal the Primary. She’ll have to win it.
And they won’t be taking it easy on Bill Clinton, either.
Obama WILL get some Republican support–will Hillary?
I mean, other than Scaife, Limbaugh, and Buchanan?

If I am not mistaken by this time in 1992 Ross Perot was beating Daddy Bush and Bill Clinton. Did Ross became president? Let me check history. If I am not wrong by this time in 2004 Kerry was ahead of Bush in the polls as well. Did Kerry won the 2004 election? Let me check history. You are very right guys this is extremely reliable information. It is as reliable as a visit to the astrologist. Thank you Jake for giving us an accurate look at the future.

yes jake
the dems are about to nominate the weaker candidate.
it seems the dems, with the help of the msm only goal was to defeat sen.clinton. they have succeeded.
they will lose in nov.
and chris,
you keep with those comments right on up to when we will being saying president mccain.

Yes they are, much to the delight of the RNC. I can’t believe that after all these years of voting Democrat, I am looking at McCain as a potential President! Obama scares me, and I can’t convince myself otherwise. The skeletons are there, we just haven’t seen the worst ones yet….that will happen around Sept./Oct.
I know Hillary, and she is the one to lead us out of this mess of GWB/Rove/Cheney/Rumsfield. Obama has great speech writers and no original ideas or thoughts.

Yes. There is no doubt.

To our gloom and doom, YES!
We will vote in the Better guy McCain because we have to, the MEDIA has it all arranged. The big biz REPUBLICAN MEDIA!
The DNC can thwart this fix if they get the convention to do the best thing for AMERICA!
NOMINATE HILLARY!

Who pays attention to national polls this far out? Besides she’d be faring a great deal worse if Obama and/or McCain were still criticizing her on some of the completely ridiculous, outrageous, statements she’d made recently. But they have a general election to run, and she’s nothing more than a distraction. Only Hillary doesn’t seem to realize that.

LOL…to the poster DEE who said they are worried about possible skeletons in Obama’s closet coming out—-that is really rich considering your support for the Clintons who have more skeletons (and I’m sure still many more are yet to come to light) than any average 50 politicians in Washington put together.

2nd place is NOT 1st! How about five Presidents one for the white, black, mexican, european, and feminine class! Let’s just make EVERYBODY the boss! SO what if it’s inconvienent or a little timely, aren’t you a slave to diversity yet! Why worry! We have to include everybody, what are you a bigot!

Sen. Clinton must continue her fight to the convention for the future of the Democratic Party and America. She must never surrender to sacrificing her win of the general election hands down in a landslide to the racial politics of Obama.
Superdelegates are challenged to play fair and square and live up to their true function and responsibility by showing wisdom, integrity and courage in their independent judgment of selecting Sen. Clinton as the best qualified and strongest Democratic nominee to defeat McCain decisively in November.
The only choice for the superdelegates is Hillary Clinton on the unyielding principle of qualifications.
All rational Democrats need to show steadfast support for Sen. Clinton’s campaign with frequent contributions at

When my state held its primary, there were lots of names on the ballot. It was early and nobody expected it to come down between these two.
I think we need a nationwide primary. Obama vs. Clinton on the ballot and everyone votes the same day.
My vote went to someone other than these two. Given only these candidates, it would have went for Hillary.

They will all do as they are told!
The sheep are lined up!
Voting for anyone will not matter at all!
We got war from the media, we will get the weak one crowned and delivered as ordered!

No kidding.
She also beats McCain by 133 electoral college votes.
It is the responsibility of super delegates to choose the candidate best able to win in Nov.
Clinton is clearly that candidate.
800 votes aren’t decided until they cast their ballots at convention. If they do their specified duty they will nominate her.
She will have won the po vote. He will have won a handful more delegates solely due to undemocratic caucuses.
Clinton should be the democratic nominee or the dems are happy to make the same mistake they have been making for 50 years, nominating unelectable candidates, except Bill Clinton.
Take it to the floor Hill!

Kdee…keep dreaming….this is called the general elections. And if you want it that way Hillary can defectr like Libermann and become an Independant.

COL. [retd] A.M.Khajawall
Forensic psychiatrist, Las Vegas NV
What country are you from, and from whose military did you retire?

The RNC does not have to attack Hillary.
Did you notice how it has been stated by the MEDIA she is to ignored?
Did you notice how easy OBAMA still has it?
His 10 gaffes of the day are hardly ever reported and if (oh my god) they are…well it is some one else’s fault.
THE fix is in…vote at your own peril, write in HILLARY! WE CAN BACKLASH THIS FIX!

Most electable? my arse she is.
If she was the most electable she wouldn’t be trailing in the nomination process at this time to a relative newcomer.She can’t even win the Democratic party nomination outright so what makes anyone in their right mind think she can win a general election.
Are you going to believe the spin or are you going to believe your own eyes and what you can see to be the facts?

I don’t get the argument. Obama has won more states than her, more delegates and more supers…why are you all yelling” fowl”. She had all the opportunity in the world to win this election. SHE FAILED…she is a disaster on wheels…and proven herself to be egotistical, self-centered, and totally out of touch. She would say anyhting to get elected…

The only reason Obama is “leading” is because the media chose to hold off revealing his radical mentors until the race was almost over and the next primary was not for another 6 weeks. The media had no problem (and rightly so) asking Romney and Huckabee all kinds of religious questions and doing research and reports on their religious past. But they chose to keep Obama’s church’s radical positions out of the news until it was to late. Shame on them and shame on anyone who supports him.

WE KNOW THE DNC ARE ABOUT TO NOMINATE THIER WEAKEST LINK, BUT SOMEHOW, THEY THINK THEY CAN MAYBE BUY THIS THING. IT’S THE AFFIRMATIVE ACTION YEAR IT SEEMS, AND NO ONE IS GOING TO TRY AND TAKE IT AWAY FROM THE BLACK GUY. PERIOD THE END. HILLARY WOULD BE THE STRONGEST AGAINST McCAIN AND MOST KNOW THAT. SHE CAN OUT DEBATE BOTH OF THEM AND OUT WORK BOTH OF THEM. The media is to blame for so much of the bias from day one and they deserve whoever they get….and their ratings will start to dwindle when she’s out of race too. I take comfort in the MILLIONS of us Hillary supporters that will throw our support to McCain…this will be his lucky year…he didn’t survive torture as a POW for nothing.

First, I think the polls now are pretty useless for determining what will happen in the general election. A lot is going to change once McCain and the Democratic nominee – whoever he or she may be – start firing at each other full force.
Second, there is a good chance that whoever the Democrats nominate, he or she is bound to be the “weaker” nominee. If, for whatever reason, Clinton pulls this off and the superdelegates go for her, there are going to be a lot of Obama supporters feeling the same way that her supporters feel now.
News flash to Clinton and Obama supporters: we can’t win without each other. Unless we start behaving a little better towards each other, McCain will win.

Jake -
This is important to call Obama out on. Not only is his uncle, great uncle, whatever, a lie he has also lied about his grandfather. He didn’t enlist the day after Pearl Harbor – he enlisted 6/18/42.
Clinton has been hammered for less than this.
This moron consistently lies about everything. Please do a post on the facts.

People of the blog who is going to win in november ?

Oh, no! Not more Bushisms!
With his recent gaffes (Memorial Day, etc.) Obama proves he is not ready for prime time! Just like Bush, Obama lacks sophistication and experience! I’ll never get over the stupidity of the people supporting him!
Rove must be absolutely tickled pink over his coop to get Obama nominated!!
T. Barr
Scottsdale, AZ

James J…..you don’t take into account all the Dems who can’t stand Obama! Hillary has the support of 17 million voters in this country….ya think they’re all gonna just get in line to vote Obama? Wow…can you say DELUSIONAL! Millions of her supporters will vote McCAIN….hell, I’m going to work 5 days a week in the fall TO KEEP OBAMA AWAY FROM THE WHITE HOUSE!

The polls in this election will be the most misleading in modern history. People will be afraid to speak their mind and be labled racist. Unfortunately we no longer have freedom of speech. Political correctness has robbed us of that. Thank God we can still go in the voting booth and no one has to know how we voted. Political correctness and the ACLU can all go to h#%&. I can still speak my mind on election day as will the silent majority.

Looking at polling averages from realclearpolitics.com, the story is not as clear-cut:
National Obama +2.3 Clinton +1.0
Pennsylvania Obama +5.8 Clinton +11.7
Ohio Obama +1.3 Clinton +8.3
Wisconsin Obama +1.6 McCain +3.4
Virginia McCain +1.3 McCain +10.4
Florida McCain +8.3 Clinton +3.0
California Obama +11.5 Clinton +11.3
Obama does better nationally, and in Wisconsin and Virginia does dramatically better. Hillary has done some damage to Barack (perhaps permanent) in Florida by her hypocritical attacks on the voting process, but the reality is that the polling is not so much in her favor as you imply.
Further, and perhaps more importantly, voters clearly prefer Obama to Clinton. 51 to 40 percent, so the people want Obama to represent them.
One other factor to consider heavily is that Hillary has been throwing every negative she can, as the loser in this election, and Obama has responded but has not dogged her campaign with the same level of fire. The Republicans also have been targeting Obama and not Hillary since she will not be the nominee, and that has given her better polling status that would suffer if people were reminded daily of all of her past failings (rather than just the stupid things she has said during the campaign).

McCain gets beat more on issues…
and that is what will be front and center now…
Primary numbers aren’t translatable because the elections tend to be on a different playing field…the playing field we are still on is the stupid primary slander cr## we just went through…
but the general is on ISSUES
and on that side…Obama has the stronger hand
the problem is these polls reflect the primary arguments…which was predominantly Hillary and McCain attacking obama onthings that had little to do with the issues…
now in the general we are strting to see an actual policy debate… and the first thing out of the box…Iraq.
and who in the polls is going to fair better when that is the lead issue.
Obama…

those of us supporting clinton (and who will not support obama in november) already know this.
Thank you for pointing it out.
Hopefully other media pundits will pick it up too.
My mantra and those of us that believe in Hillary is “Barack can’t win!”
cuz he can’t.

What’s more, Obama is running about with McCain in the swing states…NOW.
How some democratic voters feel about Clinton is proof of how effective the GOP hate machine is, and they’ve hardly looked at Obama, yet.
Hillary has had every possible thing she’s ever done thrown at her. If she is the nominee, the republicans will have no choice but to talk about how women spend more time in the bathroom and she might miss a 2:59 AM phone call.
Obama is fresh meat. He’ll be ripped to shreds by the republicans on all the topics they have already hit Hillary on, except with Obama, he’s only running even already, so he has no chance of running even afterwords.
Hillary is running even or better after 15 years of it.

Andrew Austin, Josh Irvin…you guys are so right on. Do you think the DNC have people combing the blogsphere reading public consensus? Is someone of intelligence and importance with DEMS getting all this?

Comforting to see how many of you see the light re McCain v the democrats.
This is a great way for the Obama supporters to express themselves about the process, as their repeated denials of facts, and claims of things they wish were facts are so obviously wrong that they would look SO ridiculous if their names were known that even they might be embarrassed. I especially like the oft-repeated “McCain is just like Bush”, which only points our their stupidity to anyone who DOES have a brain. They should just say “I don’t care what Obama has said or done, I’m going to vote for him!”, saving people the time for reading their posts, or noticing all the spelling and grammatical errors, and then figuring that out.
Lightnin’

Some of the post here are really delusional. Obama is ahead in the delegate count because he won the republican voting caucus states and the sick way the DNC allocates delegates. Only in its primaries does winner not take all. It’s going to be a big come down for kool-aid drinkers when McCain wins November. The current polls represent the true state of the election at this point but will only get worse. John Kerry was almost at the same point and never improved except for a little bump after the convention and then he fell right back to the upper forty percent and lost. Obama was able to work his magic with the teenie boppers and the ultimate lefties but he has basically leveled out. Reality will trump all his talk of change and he will lose.
The process is supposed to be about who can best win not necessarily who has the most delegates that’s why the DNC reserved the Super Delegates to prevent a popular loser from cinching the nomination. Unfortunately they seem to have forgotten the reason for their existence.

by the way from all reasoned statisticians… the dems should beat Mccain 1.5 to 1 this year. It is only in the heat of this primary not focusing on the issues that we see numbers like these…
which are similar to Bill Clinton’s during the primary in 92.

America has a history of selecting tall candidates for president. Obama is 5 or 6 inches taller than McCain and close to a foot taller than Hillary. The height and youth advantage will be obvious to everyone when McCain meets Obama on center stage before or after every debate.

Superdelegates should follow people’ wish —- TOTAL CRAP, invented by Obama’s team.
Super delegates were added to the Democratic Party’s nomination process after 1972 fiasco. In 1972, George McGovern was chosen as democrat nominee by naïve liberals. He was most liberal candidate and lost election by landslide. In order to control this type of failures, democratic party leaders came up with ‘SuperDelegates’ who will control the passion and will put most qualified nominee on the top, who will win the election for the party.
WAKE up Superdelegates (Wise heads in the party), do not forget your ROLE and DUTY.
If Hillary is not a nominee, I will vote McCain.
BTW Hillary should not accept VP, let Barrack sink on his own.
He will offer VP position because he can not win on his own.
Do not accept VP position to fulfill his immature presidential (bid) ambition.

Jake…you’re right….Obama needs to run with his own stink, and Hillary should never accept VP.

One point of logic here. If HRC could not gain a clear victory in the Primary, especially considering she was the Dem darling prior to January, by what measure could she possibly have won in a general election?

one interesting side note…besides gw…4 out of the the last five presidents before him were lefties… and Al Gore was too and we know what a great decision it was to pick the rightie in that election.
Of course both McCain and Obama are lefties.
That is weird.

Elizabeth, 12:44 post: Well said, but someone as smart as you appear to be should support McCain.
Jaybird, 1:04 post: Right on!
For those who want to vote for Obama because he’s black, he’s not: He’s 50% white (mother was 100%), 44% arab (father was 88%), 6% black (father was 12%). Is 6% black? If he was 1% less white, and 1% chinese, would you call him chinese?
His white WWII “uncle” would be ashamed of him because of his associations with Wright and Ayers, as any patriotic American is.
Lightnin’

Obama will tie or break George McGovern´s record of state´s lost.
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Can we do the Democratic primaries over with new candidates???

“The only reason Obama is “leading” is because the media chose to hold off revealing his radical mentors until the race was almost over and the next primary was not for another 6 weeks. The media had no problem (and rightly so) asking Romney and Huckabee all kinds of religious questions and doing research and reports on their religious past. But they chose to keep Obama’s church’s radical positions out of the news until it was to late. Shame on them and shame on anyone who supports him.”
That might be the dumbest thing I have ever read. Any more brilliant conspiracy theories from the SAME nut jobs who post the same crap on every ABC blog. Don’t you all have jobs?

When you have worked in research and marketing you know that you can make research figures say anything you want to, but the comparison in swing states when there are still two candidates in the race are not True Reflections.
Very quickly now the Democrats will have one Candidate, not splitting by loyalty but Party that is when we get the True Figures and more so once the Election Campaign starts proper and the Voters can Judge between just TWO!

Debra
Americans historically in a change year…vote for the Cchange candidate…and not the same party.
But nice try.

Tom, YOU ASKED:
So let me get this straight just so I understand. Those of you who will vote McCain over Obama. Are you doing it because McCain will make the better president or are you doing it because you’re angry and sore that Obama beat Hillary?
Answer to your post is:
Yes, McCain will be better President than Obama. McCain is a moderate. Obama will be same disaster as Bush. Both are extreme, inexperienced and immature.
I can NEVER vote for Obama with my above average IQ

Debra, 1:26 post: Nice
Sally, 1:28 post: I think it will be more like the Kerry(ecch!) percentage, you didn’t have the college kids in it back in the McGovern day who now go to the Obama rallies for social reasons, and because they like the bright lights, pretty colors, and simplistic, exciting-sounding speeches. Some number of them may actually vote. You see less and less smiles on his supporters at those rallies all the time.
Lightnin’

Hey SD’s, you dont need to be a political genius to figure out that Hillary is the stronger candidate in the crucial swing states. Make no mistake about it. That’s why the GOP wants Obama as their opponent.
And once Hillary decided to drop out, all the GOP slime machine had to do is release the Michelle railing against the whitey video and it will be game over.

Jake, since you resort to insults and tunnel vision, you are obviously a Clinton supporter, or a Republican pretending to be a Hillary supporter.
The SD are not deciding as a group, but are deciding based on their own individual logic, not yours or mine. I was noting what you seemed to have missed, that they progressively are deciding in favor of Obama. It would be a surprise to see that trend reverse.

Obama leads Clinton 33 primaries to 18
Obama has 1974 with 314.5 super Ds
Hillary has 1782 with 282.5 super Ds
Without super delegates:
Obama has 1660 delegates
Clinton has 1460 delegates.
With out super d’s Obama is winning by 200.

OH MY GOODNESS …. a forensic psychiatrist has spoken , and used qualities impossible to assess on any basis and so obviously subjective that they are not only irrelevant but laughable . Now if you want to talk Psychiatry .. OBAMA most obviously has issues . I would venture to say he is is a narcissist, at the minimum. What else wuold you call someone who would USE THE HOLOCAUST for political posturing ? I think he owes every country who fought in that war an apology and he and his wife should take themselves and their children and spend a full day in the holocaust museum .The if he wants to spend the next six months in an attic that would be fine with me !

Matt
Who is Norman Hsu
Who is Peter Paul?
Why did Hillary direct Maggie Williams to clean up Vince Fosters office the day after his suicide when it wasn’t either women’s responsibility or authority to do so?
What did Hillary know about the 400k thatHER brother had to return for the pardons by Bill Clinton.
what did she know about the FBI files that were removed under her guidance of her enemies…
who is the head of Tyson when she got the stock “tip” on cattle futures?
How many witnesses involved in a clinton lawsuit or scandal have dies…(roughly 10 if you didn’t know seems a little high for anyone)
No the Starr report did not “clear” her from these scandals and most Americans think the scandals that involve Hillary is Bill’s thing with monica and something called whitewater.
well…guess what… if Hillary HAD won the nomination you would have been hearing boatloads of lists of scandals that make the things you infer with Obama seem like playtime…
Obama said from the beginning he wouldn’t bring them up and the RNC wanted her to win because they have that much ammunition waiting for her on the field…Obama they have ammunition but it’s like a couple of guns compared to Hillary’s nuclear arsenal of scandals…which …none has she ever been asked during this campaign and almost all of them she has never been asked about on camera or even in an interview…ever.
Posted by: dl | May 28, 2008 1:07:26 PM
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Scandal! Lies! All sorts of negative things! Scream them all as much as you can, dl.
The You may have missed it, but the reublicans have been shooting at Hillary since ’92! Hillary has taken all the Republicans can throw at her, and then some.
Obama has all sorts of shady friends, and much less experience, even if you consider only the experience they have in the senate.
I’m sure many more people would be horrified by a connection to Hsu than Farrakan, though, right?
Believe me, Hillary has a lot of things she’s done that would hurt her come election time, and you mention some (not all, far from all). However, Obama is ultra liberal, to the point McCain looks more like Hillary than Obama does, Obama has more shady connections than Hillary, and his lack of experience will end up hurting against the national security campainging of the GOP.
We can trade blows, if you want. I’d rather leave it to the Republicans, though, and mark my words, if Obama is the nominee, there were be a firestorm of negativity that even the Obama supporters won’t be able to believe…think about how bad that is going to be with all the hate comming from the Obama supporters, already. It will be ugly.

DNC Rules Committee Materials for Meeting on May 31st are released today. What a disgrace. It is a bag job!

countallthevotes, please elaborate.

” OH MY GOODNESS …. a forensic psychiatrist has spoken , and used qualities impossible to assess on any basis and so obviously subjective that they are not only irrelevant but laughable . Now if you want to talk Psychiatry .. OBAMA most obviously has issues . I would venture to say he is is a narcissist, at the minimum. What else wuold you call someone who would USE THE HOLOCAUST for political posturing ? I think he owes every country who fought in that war an apology and he and his wife should take themselves and their children and spend a full day in the holocaust museum .The if he wants to spend the next six months in an attic that would be fine with me !”
How exactly did he use the Holocaust for political posturing. His grandfather was in a concentration camp. All Obama did was cite the wrong name. It seems the bitterness over Hillary’s losing campaign has driven supporters to a level of absolute denial.

God, not the damn Florida and MI argument again. When are you people going to pull heads out of your asses and admit the truth that EVERYONE knows. Hillary agreed to same rulings as the DNC and all other candidates did. How is it fair to seat those delegates now when she knew that they would be punished? Explain to me the logic in that argument.

For those of you here who are saying it is ridiculous for superdelegates to base their determination of the party’s nominee because of polls conducted now, five months before the general election is even held:
What about all of the voters out there who voted for Obama in the early primaries (before all of the controversy), but who now say they will NEVER vote for him in the general election?
A large portion of the pledged delegates he has amassed were the result of these voters who are now having buyer’s remorse.
This is exactly why the general election polls and electoral map projections are now showing what they do. Because so many of his early supporters have opened their eyes and realized Obama’s shortcomings, and have come to the realization a little too late that Hillary is indeed the stronger candidate to go in the general election, why shouldn’t the superdelegates cast their support in favor of the strongest candidate NOW?

Great, more inane and useless polls. At this point, statistics are about as inaccurate as possible. Primary voting trends do no translate to the GE. I’m still waiting for a logical argument, not just a hack copy and paste job from other sites. Does anyone think for themselves anymore?

To Red:
I think it’s a wonderful idea to let him fall on his own.
Because if he does, he is out for ever.

jmc663
LOL no its really a paper towl but hey if I get Clinton to tell them its a tent they’ll believe it!

Hillary is indeed the stronger candidate to go in the general election,
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SandyB,
No she is not. The REPUBS will crush her. And the Super Delegates know that. Too mcuh baggage named Bill. Take that and the fact that almost 60% of the Dem Party don’t trust her. Even among her OWN supporters.
She is unelectable.

Kate,
I wonder if she said “Wear banana skins for hats” they would.

To Red:
Please do us a favor, when you respond to other’s comment, please distinguish between your reply and their comment.
All your replies looked like you own opinion. Very Confusing.

“In asking that the full delegations from these states be seated, Mrs. Clinton hopes to narrow Senator Barack Obama’s delegate edge and make the case that by including the votes from these states, she will have more of the popular vote in the nominating contests, an assertion that has come under some dispute. But the party’s legal analysis, contained in a 38-page memo to the committee, says the committee can either seat only 50 percent of the delegates or seat them all but give them only half a vote, which amounts to the same thing.”
Sorry, had to go against my better judgment and paste that. At least it;s factual and actually relevant. Didn’t Hillary agree to the same DNC ruling as the other candidates? So why does she alone have the right to call for seating all delegates? Talk about elitism, next time someone calls out Obama I’m just going to shake my head and laugh. You wonder why Obama supporters seem elitist. It’s because most of us reside in the real world, not the ludicrous fantasy world that Hillary supporters seem to love changing the rules and goal posts for self preservation.

Oh, and one more thing. I love the claim that Clinton is the champion of the disenfranchised voters, which plays nicely into her popular vote argument. But what about the caucus states? Don’t all votes count as Clinton has said many times?

It’s funny that all these HRC supporters say Obama will lose due to made us BS like flag pins, Rev Wright, etc.
But when you mention HRC’s unelectables, they shut up.
People don’t care about what church you went to.
They care about why their house is in foreclosure and the RNC will blame Bill Clinton.
They care about why they are paying $4+ dollars at the gas pump and the RNC will blame Bill Clinton.
To the RNC Hillary = Third Term for Bill
WE are living the dream of failed Clinton Policies.
WHY do you think Republicans want to run against her???

Helene:
By ‘loose’ the election what do you mean? We have been informed in prior notes that Obama people are the stupid ones who can not spell, so I am assuming you did not mean ‘lose’.
So I will take you at your word, that you think Obama will turn the process loose from the negative mud fight that career politicians are set on. I hope you are right. If McCain and Obama hold the GE debate at a higher level, that will be good for the country.
Remember way back when Obama and Clinton were discussing issues? Obama won on that discussion in a series of crushing defeats. Now that it has become a mud-fight, things have evened up. However, it bodes well for the general because when issues are discussed in a reasonable way, Obama wins.

No answers on the caucus states?

I am actually ready for this democratic nomination to be over. If Hillary is not the democratic nominee, McCain will win. hands down!!! It’s quite simple….once McCain and Obama have a debate , McCain is going to sweep the floor with Obama and then one by one America will pick experience over rehearsed speeches from an empty suit!!!
Mark my words!!!

I’m listening to President McCain right now talking about National Security, SOMETHING I WOULD NEVER TRUST OBAMA WITH! I find it interesting that McCain and Hillary have a respectful relationship and went to Iraq together once. McCain even called to congratulate Hillary on her HUGE wins in KY and WVA, yet he’s never called Obama. What a better election it would have been with Hillary and McCain. I would be OK with either. I WILL NOT REST THO, UNTIL I INFLUENCE EVERY PERSON I KNOW KNOW TO SUPPORT THE WEAKEST LINK EVER. I look forward to working my a** off in the fall for McCain, who is dedicated to this country…and has suffered torture as a POW. What has Obama done, other than work about 150 days in the Senate?

The “baggage” named Bill was elected twice inspite of constant Republican attacks. Regardless of his personal indescretions he left office with a 69% approval rating. The other half of current Dems support Hillary who also leads in popular votes and electoral vote projections.

Again with the popular vote gaffe. She doesn’t lead in anything other than playing musical chairs with election polls and DNC rules. Again, no one has answered my argument. So if FL and MI are the only reason Hillary leads in the popular vote, then what about Iowa and all of the caucus states? Amazing how that little detail is conveniently left out.

Utter bull. These are assumptions basd on today, not Novemeber when HIllary will be out of the way and the people will understand the evil McCain and flock to Obama. This assessment based on polling does not take into account the large number of independents who will invaraibly vote Obama.

Helene:
Figured that, was just giving you hell…

HIllary goes into the Dem nomination process:
- Default nominee
- 100 delegate head start (superdelegates)
- 100 million dollar war chest
- Popular Clinton legacy (among dems)
- Absolute hands-down favorite in the media (Obama who?)
And in the course of the nomination process:
- Obama plays by the rules, runs a better campaign and raises more money
- Obama builds insurmountable lead in delegates, popular vote, and states won
- Clinton goes negative
- Clinton proudly claims “kitchen-sink” strategy
- Clinton says McCain is better then Obama
- Clinton piles on shamelessly with Wright, Ayers, flag pin, etc
- Clinton cozies up to former GOP foes to slam Obama
- Clinton goes back on her word and pushes to count FL and MI
- Clinton blames Obama for not counting them
- Clinton hints that she staying in the race because Obama might get assasinated
- Clinton threatens “nuclear option” at convention
AND when Obama supporters, superdelegates and the media finally can’t take it anymore, and cry foul then…
Clinton comes out and says:
- Obama can’t take the heat
- Media is sexist and misogynist
- DNC is biased
- and (my favorite) Everyone wants me out!
CAN YOU BLAME US!?
Should we wait until Clinton shows up at Obama rallies and starts throwing rocks or something?

What is even more revolting are the amount of women out there that are supporting Hillary because she’s a woman, but are so eager to sell out their convictions because their candidate didn’t make it by voting McCain. Apparently getting a woman in the White House is the only worthy cause since they’re willing to vote for a candidate that has one of the worst records of support for women’s causes. Vote for Hillary because she stands up for women! er… uh… vote for McCain because he really likes women! ha ha ha

Let all the VOTERS speak. Most states have had their vote and so the others should also count. This is America we all get to vote. And it is the vote of the American people that should count the most. The politicians put this deligate/superdelegate/caucauses into play for their advantage now they have to live with it. It is the voice of all Americans that should be what counts. This math stuff is great. My degree is in math so I love it. But it has it’s place and this is not where it belongs. There should be one number and only one number. OUR VOTES.

Sanity appears to be prevailing.
This is the first time I’ve read thru these comments and there wasn’t 15 people crying becuase the media is criticizing Hillary’s pantsuits.
I have faith once again the the Amnerican public (well, at least as represented in this website anyway.)
Let’s get on with the election in November by ending the inter-party squabbling, supporting the Democratic nominee Barack Obama, and trying to correct all of the problems that the Bush/Cheney Regime has brought upon our great country.

Matt,
Please don’t say “out of the way”. I’m an Obama supporter, but I support and respect her decision to keep running. Just let everyone vote. I’m a woman and it’s exciting her her supporters to say they voted for a woman for POTUS. This is historic of all women of America.
Just because I am pro-Obama doesn’t mean I am anti-Hillary. Not at all. I like HRC. And if she doesn’t win the Nomination, she will have a HUGE role in a Democratic Cabinet.
I guess you would have to say I am pro-both.

Debra, if you are for the court overturning Roe, expanding police powers and reducing the right to privacy then you should back McCain. After all, he’s promised that he’ll appoint ultraconservative Justices given the opportunity. If you are for expanded wars in the ME then McCain’s your man.

Debra,
I am in Michigan and I didn’t get to vote, LOL. It’s different here. WE have lost so many jobs to NAFTA and McCain wants to continue and then some. All the Repubs I know are voting Dem, no matter what. This includes my own father, who has not Dem since JFK. Everyone here seems to be split 50-50 on both Clinton and Obama. We will see a lot of Repub switching. Anything but Repub.

I say you can’t take these polls seriously at this point. There are some really over passionate people out there who need to take a long hard look at their statements about voting for McCain if Hillary does not get the nomination. Even though people managed to vote for Bush TWICE, I can’t imagine that they would make that mistake a THIRD time and vote for McCain. We have brains for a reason people. Use them.

Yes, Rodney, you are right. Go McCain!

mona,
Did you see McCain in the Repub debate? He got sooo mad at Mitt Romney he turned purple. That man has quite a temper and HATES to be critized. Mitt Romney dropped out because McCain was most likely to get to Nomination and the RNC wanted the debates stopped. And those were debates among Party member who were cordial to one another. What do you think will happen when it’s an opponent? I think swear on National TV. I can’t wait, LOL!

Kate:
I’m voting for Hillary.
I thought about B O for about a minute… in the very beginning… but I’m totally for Hillary.
The only way I’ll vote for McCain will be if my candidate of choice won’t be the nominee. But under that circumstance I definitely Will cross parties.
Country before party!

Mona…why would you vote Obama if you know he is not the better candidate? Confused….Are you not an American first and a party loyalist second?

jmc633…I have a 14 year old daughter and I was 15 in 1975 during Roe v Wade. We will not be turning back the hands of time, dear. Our morality in America is at an all time low, and pro choice in today’s sexually charged society, will not be taken away. Move on.

The chances that a single old man will eliminate reproductive rights are very slim. The chances that the Supreme Court would undo Roe vs. Wade is even slimmer.

Both my wife and I will vote for McCain if Obama is the Democratic nominee.
We are Democrats, and are changing because we consider Obama unpatriotic and inexperienced. He voted “NO” to involvement in Iraq at a time and place it didn’t count. His only military service appears to be some relative who visited a concentration camp which he couldn’t identify. He is a racist who has catered to blacks for votes; who is rejected by other minorities who he overlooked.
If he wants to be seriously considered for the presidency, we suggest he enlist for a term as PVT like others, and not as Commander in Chief.

Many women who are avowed Hillary Clinton supporters are declaring they won’t vote for Barack Obama in the fall. I get the anger and the disappointment. But to quote SNL’s Amy Poehler and Seth Meyers: Really? You’d rather vote for John McCain, a man who has a 25-year history of voting against a woman’s right to choose? A man who over the last eight years that NARAL has released a pro-choice scorecard has received a 0 percent rating? A man whose campaign website says he believes Roe v. Wade “must be overturned”? A man who has vowed that, as president, he will be “a loyal and unswerving friend of the right to life movement”? Really?

jmc663 | May 28, 2008 2:55:40 PM…:
….. I said “simplistic”….
not “stupid”!!!

Red, 1:54 post: You said “Of course, like Lightnin he may be too smart because he is one of those brilliant Republicans just trying to stir up the animosity of the Hillary fans.”
Call it whatever you like, I WAS addressing the Clinton voters, plus independents, and Republicans, because you can’t have an intelligent discussion with an Obama voter. If they WERE intelligent, they wouldn’t BE Obama voters.
Lightnin’

I voted for him, but I’m worried about Obama’s chances in the general. Even with Clinton fading, he’s been coming across as something of a stuffed shirt. I think the Democrats in general believed that they were entitled to the post-W. presidency, and that kind of thinking is always a mistake. Frankly, any reasonably qualified Dem. candidate ought to be wiping the floor with McCain, who is both old and out of touch. Obama is reasonably qualified, but I think his people have a hard time understanding that they need to go beyond the vocal true-believer base if they want to win in November. I don’t think most of the caucus victories mean much outside the intra-party contest. Hence this swing state poll. Instead of red-blue state thinking, they’re embracing this notion of how you just need to capture a “new” liberal coalition of African-Americans, college kids, affluent city dwellers and some “independents” to win. I fail to see why that’s much different than Kerry and Gore’s theoretical base. The difference seems to be that Obama gets more young college-age kids and motivates a larger percentage of the African-American population to come out and vote. But I don’t think it’s enough to score a decisive victory. Particularly if working class voters and women aren’t solidly behind him. Not at this juncture. Distasteful as it may be to admit it, they have to get Clinton on board somehow–if VP isn’t an option, then some promise of real power might do the drick. Bill Richardson isn’t going to get Obama elected. John Kerry isn’t either. And the GOP hasn’t even begun to cast doubt on Obama’s readiness to lead.

Matt,
Please don’t say “out of the way”. I’m an Obama supporter, but I support and respect her decision to keep running. Just let everyone vote. I’m a woman and it’s exciting her her supporters to say they voted for a woman for POTUS. This is historic of all women of America.
Just because I am pro-Obama doesn’t mean I am anti-Hillary. Not at all. I like HRC. And if she doesn’t win the Nomination, she will have a HUGE role in a Democratic Cabinet.
I guess you would have to say I am pro-both.
Posted by: jmc663 | May 28, 2008 2:37:40 PM
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I’m very sure I never said out of the way.
I think the democrats have the choice to do whatever they want. I don’t care who gets to vote, really. It doesn’t matter in the least. The fact of the matter is that the voters haven’t mattered for more than a month. I’m from Indiana, and I know my vote didn’t matter in the least, because the supers were going to decide it, even back then.
I do, however, think the democrats are playing a very dangerous game here.
This will be the second nomination in a row, if Obama gets the nod, in which the democrats have nominated someone too liberal for my tastes.
In 2004, that didn’t mean I turned to Bush, because I disagreed with him, as well as Kerry. However, this year, the democrats are dealing with a liberal republican, and a republican that I could support more than I could support Obama, looking at all of their policies.
I disagree with every candidate to some extent, but I disagree with Obama the most, based on what I know and see.
I can respect that you support either. That’s fine, and plenty of people are like that. Here, in Indiana, there are many people that support the republicans, regardless of who the specific person is.
However, I look at everyone and I see more I like in McCain than Obama, and more I dislike in Obama than McCain.
No matter if you’re sticking to party lines or just like both, more power to you.
As for me, I’m willing to jump party lines to vote for someone I like more.
I have to say, some of my dislike of Obama DOES come from some of his supporters (“Rev. Wright isn’t running for president! Now let’s get back to the issues that matter, like who gave money to Bill Clinton’s library”), but plenty of it comes from looking at where the candidates want us to be in 4 years and what kind of person each one is.
There are plenty of republicans Hillary will lose to in the first, but more Obama will lose to. Unfortunately, with all the negative attacks from both camps, I think plenty of democrats are abandoning both Hillary and Obama for the republicans, as well.
Classic democrat way to lose, though…step 1 shoot self in foot. Step 2 lose from self inflected injury.
McCain has already shown he is going to use Clinton tactics, and there will be much bigger attacks come time Obama is the nominee (I think he will be, in spite of how I dislike the idea), so, pointing again at the article, don’t think Obama’s numbers can stay quite so high in those important swing states.

Kate and others, You forget that John McCain almost did not win the Republican nomination, because he is thought of as too moderate. Many ultra conservatives and evangelicals still don’t want him. John McCain will be himself if he knows that he doesn’t have to pander to the far right to get the votes that he needs. If he picks up even a portion of Hillary’s 18 million supporters, he will win.

2 more superdelegates for Barack today.
It is all over but the singing.
So, all of you fake Democrats posting on here decrying how you are going to switch to McCain for the general, have at it. Most HRC supporters are going to vote with Obama, those who are really Repbulicans to the core will not, and those who share the espoused values of HRC who do not can proudly stand on the principle that they voted against their best interests to prove a point.
Those who pretend McCain will be better at defending the nation can look at how successful Bush’s policies have been at lifting our standing internationally. They can also pretend that lowering taxes for the wealthiest of us is logical economic policy. While they are at it, they can pretend that big government is bad, but not if it means government expands to limit the civil liberties of citizens.
Our ‘inexperienced’ candidate has risen to the challenge of every task thrown at him, from sports to academia to community development to politics to running a campaign.

irma, the two oldest Jurist are in the liberal camp. Stevens is 88 & Ginsberg is 75. If they are replaced with people like McCain’s hero, Scalia, then Roe can be overturned. Did you see Scalia on 60 Minutes recently? He said that the Constitution protects against cruel and unusual PUNISHMENT, but not when the authorities are seeking information. In other words, if a case comes up where cops extracted a confession using torture, he would vote to uphold their right to do so.

I just heard on FOX if this meeting Saturday isn’t settled and both sides agreeing…..it goes all the way to Denver in August. Book those Hotel rooms now!

Hillary is unelectable. Half of the country can’t stand her and the other 2/3 don’t trust her. She just can’t (unless she cheats)

The Obama campaign keeps saying the highly educated people are voting for him. Well, I am a retired professional with a college degree and I will never vote for him. I would say that it is the Obama way of insulting real Americans. I find him disgusting.

Alice, Obama supporters have ruthlessly run over everyone who wanted to take part in the debate. It’s just my opinion, but you see a lot of people here who don’t mind switching this time. It could be that a lot of Obama folks should have seen that there would come a day when they would need the mirror half of themselves — that other half of 36 million voters. Every time Hillary Clinton’s name was mentioned for VP, and Obama supporters (some of them rather famous people) said, “Oh HE doesn’t need her,” I thought, “Okay…We will see about that!”

I have to agree with longhornmama. I have asked the DNC to remove me from their e-mail distribution list.
I don’t know much about Obama, and what I have heard from his supporters is that they don’t need Hillary Clinton and I am stupid for voting for her.
This will be the first time I will not vote for a Democrat in the general election.

“If Obama had actual issues to back up his candidacy; name calling, insults and pretentious elitist statements about ones education would not be the daily argments for the past six months. Obama’s campaign has been solely based on politics. Back stabbing, name calling, voter insulting politics. That’s the advertising we’ve seen on that product which is why many aren’t buying it.”
Irma:
What exactly are you basing this opinion on? I’ve never once seen or heard Obama name call or back stab. Please give examples. No issues? Have you been in a cave the last two years. He’s given speech after speech on foreign policy, the economy, GI Bill, health care, taxes, green energy, etc. I could go on, but I imagine like many Hillary supporters, the facts just aren’t that important. I’m tired of the baseless accusations thrown at Obama, when all of Hillary’s discretions have been for all of the DNC and the country to see. There isn’t a mystery as to why Hillary is losing, it’s call bad campaigning and politics.

Red should provide specific examples rather than general statements.

Debra,
If hope you are right about that. But I don’t want to take that chance.
I see you like to Dem Bait, LOL. That’s OK, I would be doing the same thing.

Are you aware that lightnin cheats on his taxes? From one of his books.
Come on, if you are going to make stuff up cite the source so people can see your madness.

The other assumption is that none of the college educated are voting for Hillary Clinton.
Many people have contributed to our great county by hard work rather than reading theories in books on how to make our country better. Without application, theories are useless.

Javalation/lightnin:
A fuller read looks even better for Obama, too bad lightnin’s spin doesn’t work when you actually put the words in full context:
“Of course, not all my conversations in immigrant communities follow this easy pattern. In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific reassurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”

Hillary save us from a president Rev. Wright Jr.

SURPRISE! SURPRISE! I think that’s what the Hillary supporters have been saying for months and months. Mr. Hope CANNOT and WILL NOT win against McCain.
Now that Bill Clinton has called the MSM out on their covering up the REAL numbers, we see the truth…for a day.
Our MSM makes Pravda look legit.
I think the Democrats have decided they want to lose this election because they don’t want to be blamed for all the bad things that are yet to come. They don’t want to be responsible for having to clean up the royal MESS the repubs have made of our country. THE democrats want to lose. That’s the only explanation for the DC elites and the DNC installing Mr. Hope as the nominee.
TAKE IT TO THE CONVENTION HILLARY! WE HAVE YOUR BACK!

Edwin:
No, clearly Obama is stronger. He works out every morning with his personal assistant, who was an NFL prospect, and also plays basketball. So, he is in better shape than Hillary.
Or did you mean politically? Well, Hillary won out over Obama in every poll from November 2006 to February 2008, after which Obama has strengthened his lead over her in national preference. So I guess you would say physically and politically, no doubt he is stronger.

I get depressed reading these discussion boards where we Democrats are divided among ourselves. My take is that either Hillary or Obama can win IF Democrats stay united and not fight amongst ourselves. Hillary and Barack simply have different strengths and weaknesses, in terms of the voting blocs that currently support them and the states where they are strong. While I favor Obama, I agree that he is currently weaker than he should be in certain toss-up states, such Pennsylvania, Ohio, Florida, etc., and among working class voters. But, at the same time he’s stronger than Hillary in others, such as Colorado, Wisconsin, Iowa, Oregon, Virginia, and Hillary would start off a general election with high negative ratings and with many people questioning her trustworthiness. Hillary would also be more likely to mobilize conservatives to turn out to vote. Obama is turning out record numbers of young voters and african-americans, whereas Clinton has benefited from strong support from women and blue-collar white voters. But this is just how things stand now. It’s early and things will change dramatically in the general election.
I think the danger is that the primary is weakening the Democratic coalition and we’re so into our individual candidates that we refuse to see the strengths of the other primarily candidate.
I think that those Democrats who are threatening to vote for McCain if their candidate doesn’t become the nominee should really do their homework on McCain. It’s true that he is a maverick and has an independent personality, but he really doesn’t have a moderate voting record. He would appoint very conservative justices to the Supreme Court–goodbye Roe v Wade–promote Reaganite economic policies, and basically adopt a foreign policy not too different from Bushes. He offers little in the way of reasonable proposals to address health care, social security, and the economy. His only moderate stances are on the environment–though he talks a better game than his actual voting record–and immigration. Do you really want to elect someone who will tilt the Supreme Court to the right for 30 years, who has a very bad temper and has joked about bombing Iran, and who really doesn’t know much about economic policy?
While I greatly prefer Obama and have been turned off by some of Hillary’s campaign tactics, I’ll vote for her in a heartbeat if she is the nominee, rather than elect McCain.
I suspect once the primary battle dies down, many will take a fresh look and see how the two nominees stack up head to head. If Obama becomes the nominee–and the odds are dramatically in his favor–I hope Hillary supporters will look beyond the silly non-issues and take a look at Obama’s record both in the Senate and his 7 years in the Illinois legislature. For those who think he has no ideas, check out his website, and the bills he has sponsored in the Senate. Don’t buy into the simple media caricatures.

Njvoter,
I agree, Hillary or Barack, I don’t care which. I just think Obama is a stronger opponent against McCain, he hasn’t been in Washington long enough to get too dirty. HRC has too much political mileage on her. But that’s not to say that I don’t like her. I do.

No doubt Hillary is a stronger candidate against McCain in the GE. A lot of polls have been saying that. It is true that it is still five months from the GE, but didn’t all the MSMs call for Obama already in February (before OH and TX)?

I will not vote for any ticket with Obama on the top.
I am a Clinton supporter and I approve this message:-)

It’s a sad day in American politics when disgruntled Hillary supporters vote for John McCain, convincing themselves that he is “moderate” enough. I wish people would wake up and smell the danger.

“So Questioner, since you provide vile, misleading comments attacking Obama, should we assume that you are paid by McCain to do it? Hey, perhaps your inside knowledge of how that works is what prompts you to make the charge.”
Sorry….
My candidate remains Hillary, and I am
just a poor unpaid observer……
And I haven’t said anything vile at all at all….. just noted what I’ve noticed in the blogs .
And if you’ve been reading them, you’d probably have come to the same conclusions….. unless you’re not for Hillary.

Brent,
I kinda disagree with you, because I think there are many different types of swing voters. You are right, I think, that much of Hillary’s core, such as the working class white vote, has typically been a swing vote–the proverbial Reagan Democrats. But suburban, higher-income independents are another swing bloc, which might be pivotal is states such as Colorado, Oregon, and Virginia. And I think, in general, Obama would be stronger with independents and moderate Republicans (especially those tired of the GOP’s incompetence with the war, Katrina, etc.). You also have to figure in the fact that many of the young voters and African Americans, while traditionally reliably Democrat, might stay at home. Obama has expanded the electorate and really mobilized these groups. And if the superdelegates decided to support Hillary over the popular vote, many might stay home.
My point is that whoever wins the Democratic nomination–Obama or Hillary–will need to do some serious bridge-building and unifying of the party. Which is why I think the drawn out primary is damaging.

Hillary, sweetie, please wake up … the dream is over … wake up sweetie.
.
Yes, you thought marrying Billy and playing 1st lady – and accepting Billy’s philandering – would make everyone love you and want you as their president – but sweetie .. it takes more than that.
..
“Moving up the corporate ladder by screwing the boss” doesn’t work that reliably … and there’s only so much pandering you can do.
…
Please DO NOT SCREW IT UP ANY MORE for the smart, genuine, capable, decent and non-evil women out there who deserve a chance … for the White House and other positions.
….
The ferocious pursuit of your dream has awakened us all to the reality that meanness, greed for power, trickery, viciousness is gender-neutral … and missed the opportunity to demonstrate that positive attributes are.
…..
So, wake up and grow up H … and take a long (very very very long) vacation!

red,
This a been rough on everyone, but I think when we finally have a nominee things will cool down a bit.
If her supporters are true, they will elect to keep her right where she belongs, shaping the public policy of this Nation.

“Obama supporters are not anti-Clinton. They seize up both candidates, see that they are VERY similar and choose the one they think has the best chance in the GE against McCain.”
Like HELL they’re not!
And don’t count on Hillary’s hellions to come to the defense of the party!
The party has made a travesty of this election…. and you know it!
And no, I’m NOT a Republican “antagonist”… whatever that might be!
Call me a Democratic Alarm Clock!
Time to get up and rally the party around the people…. before it’s too late!
Meantime,
“GIVE ‘EM HELL, HILLARY!!!

Orion,
I am pro_Obama, but take offense to your post about HRC. She has every right to let this play out. Don’t disregard what Hillary has accomplished in this campaign. This is history and your attack on her dimishes it and her supporters. Please stop.

Most Obama won so far because caucuses, there is no caucuses in the primary that’s why barack Husein Obama will lose.

questioner,
You are lumping all Obama supporters together, which is an unfair categorization.
If you vote McCain, you send HRC back to the Senate, under a Republican President (who is older than GOD, LOL)!
No one wants you to “rescue” the Democratic Party. Just support it, if you REALLY care about what SHE cares about.
Divided we fail.

If the media wasn’t so in love with Barack this time, he would not have been so set up to fail. The country has a 22 year low in consumer confidence. 90% of people say the economy is in the toilet. 80% of people hate the war. If there is any question about whether or not Mr. Obama is a strong general election candidate, these facts should give you the answer. A strong candidate would be 30 points ahead of McCain in the polls. This is the kind of scenario the Dems dreamed of, and they screwed it up under Howard Dean’s tutelage.

Ivan Douglas, barack Husein Obama will be a pupet president. That’s why we hope he lose.

Daa,
I think you are a puppet blogger.

Obama can’t win. His divisive comments have irrevocably alienated many of those whose support he would need to win. He has major vulnerability with women, the working class, whites, Catholics, Latinos and rural and small town Americans. He promised to transcend racial divisions; instead he has exacerbated racial tension through his own words and conduct.
If a white candidate had referred to “typical black people” or attended for 20 years a church that preached racial invective, his or her campaign would be over as soon as it started. That is as it should be.
Obama asks us to be bigger than he is, while throwing his own grandmother under the bus. (“I can no more disown him [Jeremiah Wright], than I can disown my own white grandmother.”)
Interesting—they say you can judge a person by how they treat their mother. Obama’s grandmother raised him while his mother was in Indonesia and now Obama treats her as disposable campaign fodder, while his father’s mother lives in relative poverty in Africa.
Do you think he will treat the country with any more regard than he treats these women? Obama is in this for Obama and no one else! Wake up– America deserves better.

At last, Obama has named his “crazy uncle in the attic.”

My-O-my…Hussein Obama’s pants are on fire again, again, again, again, and again!

He doesn’t even know where he is (two towns lately he got wrong).
I wonder if all the excuses being given by the Obama-campaigning media because poor baby has been working so hard applying for a job he’s not qualified for, would also be given to over-worked medical personnel.
My oldest granddaughter graduates from 8th grade this year, and has decided to skip all further unnecessary stuff like high school, college, and so on, and plans to apply for a CEO job. All she has to do is have a huge group of enormously wealthy people buy the job for her, and there you go, she’s in!

Maybe Obama WILL get the % of the vote that McGovern did, from these posts, it appears to me that a lot of people are TICKED OFF! That’s a GOOD thing!
Lightnin’

The Obama campaign stated about three weeks ago they planned to set aside $20 million to help elect the superdelegates. A few days later the DNC confirmed this. About three weeks ago the superdelegates starting going to Obama in doves. Is it a co-incidence or what? I call it buying the election.
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Well, the DNC is low on money, you know. And, gee, I wonder why. Obama has most of the big money in his corner (like General Electric (which owns MSNBC, by the way, Exelon (Axelrod lobbied for them), and many oil companies), so he can certainly afford to buy the superdelegates and the DNC, too, if he feels he needs to.
Obama is a disgusting, shameless and power-mad person.
There is NO WAY I will vote for him. The more research I do on him, the more sickening lazineness and corruption I find. He’s nothing but a con artist.
I understand the importance of voting Democratic. I’ve been a Democrat all my adult life. I vote that way because of the need to have a more liberal Supreme Court and good federal judges. But this time around is different. I can’t support Obama and I can’t support the DNC when they are using the same kinds of tactics the neocons have been using ever since Reagan became President.
I fear for my country at the hands of these delegates, superdelegates and Obama. I fear for the minorities and for the working class people.
Bill Clinton was right in what he said about this election race. It’s been horrendous!
GO HILLARY!!!

what ever…the fact is bho doesn’t have enough delegates to lock this nomination.

Carlos Mencia wrote:
Gallup Analysis: Clinton Has Swing State Advantage, sounds interesting. If she wanted to win the nomination she should have planned past the first Super Tuesday, she should have found a way to raise more money & pay her debts, she should have taken the caucus & small states primaries serious. Finally, she should have kept her tongue in check.
You cannot change the rules of a game more than half way into that game. Things don’t work that way, sorry.
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How could anyone be expected to be prepared for this kind of horrible onslaught of personal attacks, propaganda from the MSM and the connivance of the Obama campaign and the DNC? Who could have predicted that Obama would use the same tactics as the Bush campaign did? The fact is, she shouldn’t have NEEDED to be prepared for that kind of nastiness from another Democratic candidate.
As for the rules needing to be changed, the same thing goes. It may be too late to change them now, but they cirtainly do need to be changed after the election.

— Since 2005, Obama’s committees gave $228,000 to superdelegates who have endorsed him, $363,900 to those who were still undecided, and $102,400 to those who have endorsed Clinton.
–Clinton’s committee’s gave $95,000 to superdelegates who have endorsed her, $88,000 to those who were still neutral, and $12,500 to those who have endorsed Obama.

As long as both democratic candidates are in the race, it is no surprise that their supporters will claim that they will vote for their candidate in the general election.
This won’t change until the race is decided. Until then, all polls are moot.
As for money – Obama: many contributors, small donations; Clinton: medium number of contributors, medium to large donations; McCain: few contributors, large donations, swift boat veterans for truth. Go figure.

Obama got into Harvard under affirmative action and now thinks he can do the same to become President!

Ray:
No, a fact is something that you know to be true and can be supported by evidence.
You have no evidence to say that Obama was an affirmative action candidate, therefore your definition of ‘fact’ is quite different than what is in common usage in these United States.

Ray:
WOW! Really, it is documented publicly? Care to share where you found that? Because actually, it is not. This is where you went from making stuff up to resorting to name calling.
In fact, Obama graduated Magna Cum Laude from Harvard. Did you manage such an honor? Thought not. That is a FACT. Documented, provable from many sources, something you should familiarize yourself with.

The Dems are absolutely electing the weaker candidate. Obama is a fad. He is not JFK or MLK like so many delusionals think.

Allison:
Taking you at your word that you are who you claim to be, why not summarize Hillary’s legislative accomplishments vs Obama’s?
After all, Obama has supporters in both the Illinois legislature and the Senate who think highly of him. In fact, he has more Senate endorsements that Hillary. He has a Republican legislator in Illinois (legislator of the year, no less) who speaks highly of his reaching across the aisle to get things done.
So, show me the error in my ways of thinking he is every bit as accomplished as either McCain or Clinton in getting things done.

I believe that the super delegates will do what is best for our country. They will look at the polls and the maps and decide who can really beat McCain. Hillary 08

Lightnin:
Do you believe that if you repeat a lie it will eventually become the truth? You have the wrong reference on Obama’s great uncle, I pointed that out before, and rather than acknowledge your error you just reposted it.
Either you are stupid or you think everyone else is.

No matter what the experts say, the fact is Obama has earned the nomination by the agreed upon rules and deserves the chance to run. If the self-important decide not to vote for him and instead vote for more of the same horrible Bush-like leadership so be it. Fair is fair and he has earned the his chance at history.

HOTAIR; Thanks for the funny.

I believe that the super delegates will do what is best for our country. They would not be afraid to choose the STRONGER candidate – not a puppet like BHO.

sen. clinton is the stronger of the two to go up against mccain.
every objective minds knows it.
the dnc with the help of the msm are to blame for this.
and the dnc will be the blame in the fall when the dem. party loses the election.
it was always said the dems have a way of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. so this is no different.
i think it is going to be another four years of upheaval for our country, with either obama or mccain.
people should have gone with the middle sen. clinton.
in the long run she would have been better for our country. black people and all.

James Danley | May 28, 2008 10:15:39 PM:
On the other hand,
If B O is given the nomination, more than 50 percent of our Democratics will feel that he won unfairly in an election which was predtermined by a flawed DNC and a a blind-sided, pushy press.
In general, the feminine vote, which includes all ethnicities, obviously is the more perceptive of the Dems, and Will probably turn away from the party and embrace McCain.

Mr. Denley:
While I see the point you are making regarding the A-A vote in the general election, it doesn’t appear that you have paid attention to the exit polls in the last few primaries, or to the other minority groups who make up a large portion of Democratic voters.
If I remember correctly (and my memory might not be perfect), 70 % of A-A voters in North Carolina (I believe it was)said that they would still vote for Hillary if she were the nominee and not Obama. On the other hand, I believe it was less than 50% of those that have voted for Hillary (women in particular), said they would vote for Obama, should Hillary not be the nominee.
I find it somewhat peculiar that you would look only at the attitude of the African-America Democratic voters and how they would react were Hillary the nominee and not Obama.
From what I have heard in the media and on these blogs, I wholeheartedly believe there is an extremely large percentage of Democratic WOMEN voters who would react just as strongly (if not more so), should Obama be the nominee rather than Hillary.
When you think about it, this has been an extraordinary primary race, with the two top Democratic contenders being members of two different, loyal, Democratic-voting minority groups, women and African-Americans. I think this is why the popular vote differential in this race is probably less than 1% by now, and the delegate race is almost as close. There has never been a primary race like this one: it has indeed been historic.
I personally feel both sides have a viable argument, as both candidates have received nearly half of the votes cast apiece. Granted Obama is ahead in delegates, but there have also been several factors that have figured into this race that did not occur in other election years, i.e., Michigan and Florida (and at this point I really don’t care whose fault that was, it is STILL an unusual circumstance); the extra caucuses; the alleged media biases, etc. etc.
Strange too that the Hispanic voting block (also traditionally heavily Democratic for the most part, and who also tend to lean in favor of Hillary), was not mentioned in your post. If I’m not mistaken, Hispanics are now a larger percentage of the U.S. population than African-Americans. Therefore, I believe the DNC and the Super Delegates should also be devoting some of their concern to the potential of alienating this important traditionally Democratic voting group by whom they ultimately select as the candidate.
I just think that the DNC, whatever they decide to do, needs to take into account the feelings and attitudes of ALL Democratic minority voting blocks, and not just the African-Americans.

well hank,
i agree with you, it does seem the real goal of the dnc,with the help of the msm’ goal was to beat sen. clinton.
i will concede that, and they have succeeded.
but in doing so they have lost the white house and failed to help set the country back on the right track again.
but i do not see how it was such an achievement-obama had the msm, and all the dem bigwigs pulling for him, really not thinking about the average voters but their own gain.
so for me it is not with strength that obama has beaten sen. clinton, but with a lot of help. now sen. clinton having survived this long, with the deck stacked against her, that takes a lot of internal strength and fortitude, and a good ability to keep your own counsel when everyone around you are saying otherwise. and that is what is needed in a president during this time.
everyday obama is proving how inexperienced and possibly ineffective he will be as president, and everyone is willing to over look that or make excuses for it, and HOPE something will CHANGE, and he will become the person he has convienced so many people that he is.
if you will remember everyone was in awe of the powerful karl rove and how well run and orchestrated the bush campaign team was.
a great campaign run for bush, with all of the red flags beginning to show, but the train had left the station, and in the end the american people have suffered.

if sen. clinton were the nominee, the aa community would comeback and support her-they were supporting her in the beginning, when they were still asking barack who? because they will see as in the beginning-sen. clinton’ understanding of the issues, and how to solve them will help them.
on the other hand the core of sen. clinton’ supporters may not be so inclined to go with obama, because so much of what we know of him now, makes him a big question mark as to if he has the real will to do what is needed for the country.
it really is a shame and almost sureal
this man has just about become th dem. party nominee for president, and so many lifelong dems still don’t know what obama stands for, and what kind of hope and change he plans to bring.
i think if he is the nominee between july and nov. after really listening (and not drooling and swooning) closely to what he is saying, there will be a lot of disappointed dem. because it will come crystal clear by voting time,
we backed the wrong person.

Questioner, I just don’t see Pro-Choice Democratic women voting for Sen. McCain. They certainly won’t boycott and not vote since that would mean Sen. McCain will win in the general election. So those women who would be upset that Sen. Clinton didn’t win the nomination will still vote for Sen. Obama.
SandyB, I chose to concentrate on the African-American electorate because they are voting 90% plus in favor of Sen. Obama. If 50% of that block does not vote for the Democratic candidate that will likely mean a Democratic defeat in November. However, my analysis does not take into account the possibility that Sen. Clinton would select Sen. Obama to be her running mate. That would change everything. While I am sure that Sen. Obama would be tempted to not accept the VP nomination, there is no way that he would turn it down.
However, while Sen. Obama, should he be the nominee, might consider selecting Sen. Clinton to be his running mate to unite the Democratic Party, I think that is now less likely to happen. I believe Sen. Obama would want to have nothing more to do with the Clintons. Besides, I don’t believe Sen. Clinton would accept the offer anyway. She has been number two for too long. (NOTE: I mentioned this over a week ago, Sen. Clinton could offer her support on a promise that should Sen. Obama win the general election that he would make her his first nomination to the Supreme Court, should an opening occur. That would also change everything.)
Now as for the Hispanic vote, while they traditionally vote Democratic, they aren’t anywhere near as united behind the Democratic party. Besides, in all likelihood that will not change in this election — whether the Democratic nominee is Sen. Obama or Sen. Clinton. While they may be voting more for Sen. Clinton in the primaries, they don’t appear to have the emotional tie that African-Americans have for Sen. Obama or even women have for Sen. Clinton.

Hotair,
I laugh myself. Thanks.

I recall, early in the campaign season, that Bill Clinton said that if McCain ran against Hillary, it would be an extremely civil contest as they respected each other. Wouldn’t that be nice, for a “change?” …. (sigh)

HRC suffers from Chronic
Scatterbrain Disorder.
She’s unfit for the job.

this is the kind of math that has always made Hillary supporters skeptical and uneasy about BO and the Dems club :
“In the Texas primary on March 4, Clinton won by a margin of 100,000 votes out of 2.8 million cast. For that victory, Clinton was awarded 65 delegates while Obama got 61. Then , on election night, according to the Texas democratic Party, nearly 1 million Democrats – many of whom had already voted in that day’s primary – gathered in party caucuses. We don’t know how many came down on either side, but we know that more came out for Obama than for Clinton. For that, Obama was awarded 38 delegates to Clinton’s 29.
Put them together, and Obama left Texas with 99 delegates to Clinton’s 94 – even though Clinton handily won the contest in which votes were actually counted.
In Idaho, about 21 000 Democrats gathered for caucuses. Obama won in a blowout by a margin of 13,000 votes. for that, he won 15 delegates to 3 for Clinton – a net gain of 12 delegates .
In New Jersey, Clinton won by a margin of 110,000 votes out of more than 1 million cast. For that, she won 59 delegates to Obama’s 48 – a net gain of 11 delegates.” (article by Byron York).
This kind of maths come from the rules of DNC.
Sure go by the rules and you just walk out the door, because that’s the kind of rules that they want everyone to accept.
Why don’t they say from the beginning : we have already figured out the whole thing. The voters just have to go out for a little tour to make sure the whole race looks democratic. Is this the kind of hope and change that awaits America?

All this talk about Hillary being divisive, it’s the Obamaites that are touting that line.
I can’t imagine any candidate that the Blacks split 90:10 can be anybody but divisive for America as a whole.
Obama has done more than anyone else to make race an issue to help him win.
We will be fielding the weak-don’t know his American history/foreign policy/economics-confabulator-candidate to run against McCain by sidelining the best Democratic candidate to come along in a decade.
Obama’s antics over the past months and his complete distortion of Hillary’s remarks re:RFK leave a very bitter taste in my mouth, that will not be washed away by November.

Obama hasn’t once raised the race card. I wish you people would stop and think for yourselves, or better yet, back up your arguments with examples and facts.

And your point is? Same as usual, Clinto is more electable I assume. The Rev. Wright issue was blown WAY out of proportion, but I’ve long since given up on trying to debate that issue with people. Too many feet stuck in the mud.

Clinton is electable only
in dumbed-down states
like Arkansas.

jlynn 12:26:55pm…Amen.

Maybe both the Hillary and the Obama supports have it wrong — maybe the primary and caucus results are telling us that neither of the candidates is electable. All those rules experts — is it possible to nominate a third person at the convention? Someone who didn’t participate in the primaries at all?

She lost this nomination because
she is self-serving, doesn’t
stand for anything good, has no
regard for rules, laws and legal
agreements – and she is
exceedingly incompetent.

Who’s good for the country
should be decided based
upon who the smart people
voted for. Smart people
did not vote for her.

I thought Hillary’s mantra is: “Count Every Vote.” If that is the case, why doesn’t she want to count the votes of Alaska, American Samoa, Colorado, Idaho, Kansas, Minnesota, New Mexico, North Dakota, Nebraska, Washington, Hawaii and Wyoming? They all voted by caucus and, they voted for Obama. Could that be the reason she DOES NOT want every vote to count?