Gore: Race Will Be Settled Before Convention
ABC News’ Teddy Davis and Rick Klein Report: Count Al Gore among those who don’t think the Democratic primary race will go all the way to the convention.
Appearing Tuesday on National Public Radio’s "Fresh Air," the former vice president held out the possibility of making an endorsement in the race — but predicted that superdelegates will tip the race to either Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., or Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-NY, before the Democratic National Convention in Denver this August.
"Even though it has gone on much longer than is normal in the age of primaries and caucuses, nevertheless I think the odds are overwhelming that it will tip rather decisively in one way or the other before the convention even meets," Gore said.
He said he does not anticipate having to help broker a solution to the Democrats’ stand-off.
"I’m not anxious to be playing the role of party elder," he said. "I just turned 60 — which is the new 59. So I’m just a voter and recovering politician."
"My purpose is not endorsing a candidate is not elaborate. I’m simply watching and listening to the campaign," he added. "As a delegate to the convention I will cast my vote at the proper time. I haven’t ruled out making an endorsement prior to that time, but I haven’t been moved to do so. . . . I have respect for both candidates, and they both have strengths, and I’m simply listening and watching like a lot of people."
Gore said the Democratic Party’s system of awarding votes to superdelegates "probably . . . should be examined," and said he’s confident that the disputed delegations from Florida and Michigan will be seated at the convention, though he didn’t say how.
On the possibility of a split Democratic Party this Fall, he said: "I would not underestimate the healing power" of the desire to win.
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Posted by: DIA | May 6, 2008, 2:42 pm 2:42 pm
Gore states:
Gore said the Democratic Party’s system of awarding votes to superdelegates “probably . . . should be examined,” and said he’s confident that the disputed delegations from Florida and Michigan will be seated at the convention, though he didn’t say how.
When the delegates from Florida and Michigan are seated at the Convention, Hillary will be the nominee!
Hillary 08 !
Posted by: jack | May 6, 2008, 2:42 pm 2:42 pm
Wonder if Al is gonna Say I got the most votes was screwed over in 2000.
Superdelegates don’t screw over Obama in the Smoke Filled Room and hand the nomination to the person with the least votes.
Posted by: The Commander Guy | May 6, 2008, 2:45 pm 2:45 pm
My problem with some people in America is that Obama keeps criticising Hillary, What solution has he got to reduce gas prices????? People are just following him blindly . what solution has he got nothing absloutely nothing but to give up America to rich and influentials . If obama is elected we are in a great and diffilcult problem it will be another regret after Bush . Well i even think the world is shifting focus to China already . It is as if America has failed due to bad leadership and wrong leaders.
Posted by: A True black American | May 6, 2008, 2:48 pm 2:48 pm
Of course Michigan and Florida will be seated and Gore knows exactly how.
Not even the US Supreme Court can over rule the certified results by a Secretary of State.
Al Gore knows that better than any other man on the planet. That’s why Florida was awarded to Bush in 2000, because the Secretary of State for Florida said so.
Dos the DNC really want to take on States Rights by over turning their election results??? Doubtful!
The delegates can only be awarded by the election results already certified by the respective Secretaries of State, now that redos have been eliminated.
The delegates may be partially sanctioned but in the end, I actually doubt even that will happen.
Notice Howard Dean’s change of tune lately. This doesn’t just jeopardize Mi and FL for the Nov white house elections it threatens the Democratic house and senate candidates as well.
The DNC has no choice. Fl and MI have to be seated. Gore knows this.
Posted by: s.b. | May 6, 2008, 2:49 pm 2:49 pm
Obama can not win, He hide Rev Wright and he won some states, after we found out who Obama really is he has won nothing. He is unelectable
Posted by: libre | May 6, 2008, 2:50 pm 2:50 pm
I see so much division between Clinton and Obama supporters, many who say they would either not vote or vote for McCain if their candidate is not the nominee, I think it will be hard for the Democratic party to unify and support one candidate in the fall. This race has gone on way to long and the longer it goes on, the longer it will take to heal the party. At this point, whichever is the nominee, Clinton or Obama, I’m afraid McCain is already set up to spend the next four years in the White House. Ugh!
Posted by: jack | May 6, 2008, 2:50 pm 2:50 pm
I would have loved to asked Gore how he feels about the world food shortage and his responsibility for it. Bio-fuels? How about starvation thanks to ridiculous subsidies that have stolen the food from the poor and given to greenfarts like Al. His legacy will be hunger, corruption, and lies. Al Gore is running a “green” fund that really means just more money in his BILLIONAIRE pocket.
Posted by: Karen Huntsville, AL USA | May 6, 2008, 2:50 pm 2:50 pm
Did I miss something. I heard quite a while ago that Gore was for Obama.
Posted by: Raleigh Voter | May 6, 2008, 2:51 pm 2:51 pm
Did I miss something. I heard quite a while ago that Gore was for Obama.
Posted by: Raleigh Voter | May 6, 2008, 2:51 pm 2:51 pm
s.b., when Mi and Fl are seated, how will they divide the delegates? Just curious.
Posted by: jack | May 6, 2008, 2:52 pm 2:52 pm
Raleigh Voter…..I don’t think Gore, just like Edwards, has made any inclination of who they would endorse. But with his reasoning now, knowing that Fl and Mi delegates will be seated, I can’t help but think he will endorse Clinton…….she’s fought the hardest to seat these delegates. Gore has a lot of pull with the Super D’s and a lot of persuasion power.
Posted by: jack | May 6, 2008, 2:55 pm 2:55 pm
All of these big wig Dems who keep saying we’ll have a nominee by the convention remind me of folks who know there’s a serious problem and keep telling everyone to stay calm.
The Democratic Rules Committee meets on May 31st. Let’s see if they have some backbone to settle Florida and Michigan as they should have from the start.
Posted by: sherr | May 6, 2008, 2:57 pm 2:57 pm
I find it ridiculous for any Obama supporter to vote for McCain but I do not find it quite so if a Clinton supporter does. Many of her supporters are moderates and fiscal conservatives. McCain is a moderate himself and those painting him as McSame will lose that battle come the General Election.
Those that have followed McCain realize this and feel that he has what it takes to do what is right in Iraq. I mean come on, he should know the negatives of war and what needs to be done over there.
A president is more than the abortion or gun issue. It is about who we believe has the best judgment to lead our country in the right direction and get things done.
Posted by: Raleigh Voter | May 6, 2008, 2:57 pm 2:57 pm
Florida and Michigan will no doubt be seated at the convention. However, anyone who thinks that seating will included full delegate counts to Hillary for the Michigan results, with nothing for Obama, you are delusional! Hillary’s “Nuclear Option” may want it that way, but that would be just as unfair, and disenfranchise many voters as well.
Florida, one could argue, should be seated as well, because everyone was on the ballot. On the other hand, how many voters stayed home because they felt their votes would not count? How might the results have been different if Florida had followed the rules!?!
Heck, if Florida and Michigan had waited until early April or Mid-May to hold their primaries, they’d have weighed in much more on the results!!! Just goes to show you!
Obama 2008 — Yes, WE CAN!!!
Posted by: Jackt51 -- Vietnam Vet and Proud Liberal | May 6, 2008, 2:59 pm 2:59 pm
Since the Secretary of Stae in Fl and MI has certified the vote count which has nothing to do with delagates should those popular vote count?
Posted by: Bishop | May 6, 2008, 2:59 pm 2:59 pm
I dont know why in this country we dont learn from our mistake. The economy is in a state of almost collapsing all we carry about now is the name America(USA) . China , India are advancing and we are stagnant and even retarding. The state of the economy taday calls for someone that can come and and quickly save the economy not someone that is not really experienced or can take very clear and good positions. the American economy today doesnt call for someone like a rock-star or someone that can talk but someone that can come in due to real experience and competence that has been prooved in the past but this seems a problem for America to choose the right person even if Hillary is to come in just for four year clear up this mess.It is diffilcult for Americato elect her, I dont know where we go from here. I indeed weep for America
Posted by: A True black American | May 6, 2008, 3:02 pm 3:02 pm
Just because FL and MI will be seated, does not mean that they will not just split the vote. In my opinion, that will not change very much. All it would do is to create some very angry voters.
Posted by: Raleigh Voter | May 6, 2008, 3:02 pm 3:02 pm
There are already angry voters I am one
Posted by: Bishop | May 6, 2008, 3:04 pm 3:04 pm
I will always rememeber when the Supreme Court made a rule that did not count certain voters in Flo & made Al Gore lose. Now our own DNC does not count certain voters. This will kill us in the general election. I never once heard Obama open his mouth to take up for the voters’ rights over the powerful DNC rules committee & Howard Dean. Clinton supporters even offered the money to let them revote. Obama missed a huge chance to speak for the people & fight to make a revote happen. He let down the voters. That is why polls show Hillary defeating McCain in Flo while Obama loses to McCain.
Voters did nothing wrong. It is not about Clinton or Obama. It is about voters’ rights over rules of the powerful.
Posted by: Mary Ruth | May 6, 2008, 3:04 pm 3:04 pm
Good Post, Raleigh Voter .
Posted by: jack | May 6, 2008, 3:05 pm 3:05 pm
Florida and Michigan are settled already. The primaries don’t count. Hillary Clinton agreed to it months ago. Now she’s decided she needs those votes, but that doesn’t change a thing. The issue is settled.
Posted by: skeptic | May 6, 2008, 3:06 pm 3:06 pm
There is no doubt in my mind that Florida should count. The argument that some voters stayed home just does not factor in.
Michigan is trickier. There could have been a revote there but due to politicians being politicians, they disenfranchised the voters not once, but twice! If I were a voter from that state, I would be making sure that we elect out the old and in with the new. How dumb can politicians be in that state?
Posted by: Raleigh Voter | May 6, 2008, 3:10 pm 3:10 pm
I agree, Mary Ruth. Obama did miss a HUGE chance to speak up for Michigan and Florida. I have a feeling this will come back to haunt him. Sounds like we are heading for another Bush/Gore election, but this time, within the Democratic Party. Because of the DNC, who is blaming the candidates, mainly Hillary, for tearing up the party, it’s actually the DNC along with Dean and Pelosi (idiot) that is destroying the party! Where are the voters rights anymore? It’s like the American public doesn’t even count anymore!
Posted by: jack | May 6, 2008, 3:11 pm 3:11 pm
Fl and Mi will be seated, but at the convention when wee will all know who the nominee is. Seating them would have no impact to the result. If there is any hint that they will be seated before Denver, and that might impact the result we have now, the Obama’s campaign wouldn’t agree with the deal. Anyway you don’t reward someone who knows the rules and breaks it. I am sure that knows it as well. FL & MI knew the rules, they knew the sanctions ahead and decided anyway to violate them. They should be punish according to the rules.
Posted by: Collins | May 6, 2008, 3:12 pm 3:12 pm
Really- Gore can’t stand the Clintons- seriously. He will endorse Obama only if and when he has to- to keep Hillary out of power. At one time Gore and Bill Clinton were not on speaking terms- that bad. He was deeply hurt and blames the Clintons for the low ethics and scandal ridden tenure in the White House, and he blames the Clintons for making the difference (a negative one) in his own presidential election in 2000. If the Clintons hadn’t ruined it for Gore, he would have been president, and we would never have gone to war, a war that Hillary went on to authorize. Blame Bush for the war, but also blame the Clintons for keeping Gore out and then enabling the war effort- rest assured that Gore does.
Posted by: rco | May 6, 2008, 3:13 pm 3:13 pm
Sorry skeptic…you are wrong. Dean even said that the delegates will be seated somehow so this is hardly “settled”. No matter what one believes as far as the rules go and so and so agreed to it, the fact remains that the votes will count….somehow.
Posted by: Raleigh Voter | May 6, 2008, 3:13 pm 3:13 pm
I’m an independent voter.
I voted for republicans and democrats
in previous elections.
This time i’m for Hillary because we
had 8 peaceful and economic prosperous years.
If she loses the nomination i will
vote for McCain.
Posted by: Nicholas | May 6, 2008, 3:14 pm 3:14 pm
How did the Clinton’s “ruin” Gore’s chance at the Presidency? It was Gore’s campaign that did not want Clinton to participate. Say what you want about Clinton’s ethics, the people still love him. He could have brought a lot of moderates in to vote for Gore, not to mention Gore’s looking like a stiff elite did not help him either.
Posted by: Raleigh Voter | May 6, 2008, 3:17 pm 3:17 pm
He’s absolutely sure that the bad American people are destroying the planet but demures that the superdelegates “probably . . . should be examined”? He’s been a global warming guru for 8 years but a dem pol all his life.
He really is a one trick pony isn’t he…
Posted by: smartprimate | May 6, 2008, 3:17 pm 3:17 pm
Enough of the “rules are rules” nonsense. This same thing happened years ago and the delegates were seated. If the rules were not meant to be broken then WHY did they do that?
If the rules were not meant to be broken then WHY did Dean say that they would be seated?
Posted by: Raleigh Voter | May 6, 2008, 3:19 pm 3:19 pm
Raleigh Voter: I agree with you, but can you elaborate why Florida should count? It seems to me that the DNC has really “muddied” these waters.
Posted by: jack | May 6, 2008, 3:19 pm 3:19 pm
I think not only should the delegates be seated, but there should have been a re-vote in Florida and Michigan. It’s not the peoples fault they have stupid politicians in place. I hate it that people get on these posts and are glad that these two states are not counted…thats ludicrous! These voters have every right to be counted just as you and me!
Posted by: jack | May 6, 2008, 3:24 pm 3:24 pm
Please keep in mind that votes in a parties primaries are merely a politcal club (or party) deciding who their leader (candidate is). So, the club (DNC) makes the rules and the club abides by those rules, not the voting laws of the United States Government
thanks
Posted by: Barak | May 6, 2008, 3:24 pm 3:24 pm
Fl is different than MI. Names were on the ballot. The campaigning issue should not matter. The people that wanted to be heard went to vote. I have heard it all.
I have also heard that other states moved their voting dates up, also against the DNC rules but that those votes counted. I looked this up and found articles on it and it appears to be true. Still need to research it more because it JUST cannot be right or else it would have made bigger news.
Posted by: Raleigh Voter | May 6, 2008, 3:26 pm 3:26 pm
It is called a compromise. It called being a good sport on Obama’s part to even consider seating FL and MI. They will be seated in a manner that does not disadvantage any candidate – 50/50.
Posted by: Gillis | May 6, 2008, 3:28 pm 3:28 pm
LOL Gillis…that is funny.
Do not tell me about breaking rules though, the DNC makes the rules and breaks them! What is up with that??
It is easy to understand where Clinton is coming from…and the states that voted to move up their primaries. The DNC has a history of letting the rule-breakers slide by.
And come on, to have a little fun you need to break the rules sometimes :-)
Posted by: Raleigh Voter | May 6, 2008, 3:29 pm 3:29 pm
Raleigh Voter
I like your last post better. Please do the research.
Posted by: Gillis | May 6, 2008, 3:30 pm 3:30 pm
If Obama steals the nomination without Florida and Michigan coounted, then i believe the DNC should be labelled Black People’s party or rather a racist party or a party that have no regard for women.
Posted by: A True black American | May 6, 2008, 3:32 pm 3:32 pm
It will not be difficult to vote for Hillary in the election. She has the support of the majority of Hispanics, Jews, Asians, 20% blacks, woman & the most reliable older than 65+. So why will it be difficult for her to win. If anything if will be difficult for Obama to win because he only has 80% of blacks & young voters. Hispanics tip two 2000 & 2004 for Bush because they are independents and the Republicans have fought for there vote. The only person that has fought for their votes has been Hillary for many years. If the Dem. Party forgets who they want, then they’ll forget about them.
Posted by: Catalina | May 6, 2008, 3:32 pm 3:32 pm
DC Voter gave a good summation of the Democratic Party:
I apologize for the lack of paragraphs (I was with a student and pressed post by accident.) So I will make it easier on the eyes folks, sorry about that.
The liberal dems have always hated the Clintons. The DNC had been controlled by the rich elite (liberal left wing) for many years until they were embarassed at Carter’s failure to get anything accomplished and get defeated in a landslide as an incumbent.
After that defeat, the liberals lost control of the party and the recommendations made by prior committee actions were implemented in 1982. This resulted in the changing of rules for delegates at the convention (no one is bound to the electorate) and the creation of unpledged delegates to represent the party since they are the ones backing the candidates during campaigns and terms of office. The unpledged delegates have been coined by the media as superdelegates but they are actually just unpledged delegates just like the RNC has in their party.
After Reaganomics resulted in massive debt and recession effects for middle America, with record deficits and unbalanced budgets, Bill Clinton (after 12 successful years turning around the economy in Arkansas and years of humanitarian efforts for middle America) was elected and the centrists officially took control of the Democratic party.
Eight years later, after his marital infidelity was used against him, Al Gore failed to win for a variety of reasons but we all know the final result was that he won and the DNC failed to get a single one of the 50 Senators to force the counting of the votes by overriding the Supreme Court decision. At that point, the liberals took control of the party again.
In 2004, with liberal control in place, Kerry had a failed run because of election fraud and a lack of guts on behalf of Richardson to investigate the election fraud in NM and on behalf of Kerry to investigate the election fraud in Ohio. In fact, the DNC was complicit in advising Kerry to concede before the votes were validated in Ohio.
In 2006, the people called for change with sweeps in many congressional races electing more Democrats. Unfortunately, the liberal dems in power pushed two liberals into the Speaker of the House and Senate Majority leader positions and very little has been accomplished.
Meanwhile, the centrist democrats have been gaining recognition and power by working across party lines to get some things accomplished as centrist republicans are abandoning the Bush administration. The current DNC leadership have all published or publicly stated their dislike for the Clintons and have taken it out on Hillary Clinton because she has risen to a position of strong influence with centrist democrats and the American people. As far as they are concerned, she represents them losing control again and that is why they set Obama up at the 2004 convention and pushed him into running for office even after he himself said he was not qualified.
The biased liberal latte in control of the DNC then violated voter rights and their own rules by punishing only 2 of the 4 states who moved up their primary dates. In Florida, it was not the state party that moved up the date but in fact was the RNC controlled legislature. This was engineered by the RNC and the DNC leadership was complicit.
They will do anything to prevent the core democrats from regaining control of the party because that would mean they would lose influence in the House and Senate as well. This is where we are today… the centrists are fighting to win back control of the party on behalf of core democrats and the liberal wing is using Identity voting and Karl Rove advice on how to keep control of the party.
Unfortunately, the DNC has thus far been able to fool half the democratic electorate into voting based on a message of hope and change under which failures can easily be blamed on others (the typical MO of liberal politicians) instead of standing behind a true democrat who inspires hope through actions, humanitarianism, and centrist unity.
Take a moment to consider the real motives behind Dean, Pelosi, Reid, Kerry, Kennedy, Leahy, and others before you cast your vote tomorrow. Clinton stands for all Americans based on common goals that benefit us all. Even the conservative democrats and some conservative republicans are leaning her way now instead of leaning towards McCain. Let’s not wait until the GE to vote with our heads… the time is now… lets change the way it has always been and select a nominee the same way we elect a President.
Posted by: jack | May 6, 2008, 3:32 pm 3:32 pm
We aren’t fuedal tribes, we are all governed by laws and rules. That means I obey the law and I obey the rules. If everyone did as Michigan and Florida did, life would be chaos. Hillary supporters know this; they know that they would protest if anyone else except Hillary were trying to cheat and steal delegates by making her own rules. She’s not a queen. She’s not a dictator. Or at least, she shouldn’t be acting like one.
Posted by: Sallie | May 6, 2008, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm
There is no legal basis for forcing the Dems to seat Florida and Michigan delegates. The Democratic party is a private organization, and can create the rules for its internal elections any way it wants. The rules for FL and MI were set long before the primaries, and were basically set by Hillary’s people (McAuliffe, Wolfson, Ickes), and were agreed to by all candidates, so Hillary has no basis for complaint.
I have said before that if the Superdelegates yank the victory from Obama to give it to Hillary it would be tantamount to saying “Mr. Obama, please step to the back of the bus. This seat for the presidential nominee is reserved for a white woman”. Either people like Jackson, Sharpton, or Wright would come up with this, or the Republicans would (actually, I think the Republicans would sit this out and let the others fight this battle for them, and keep their hands clean of it).
How many people (black or white) would sit back and take that type of treatment? And does the DNC really want to put itself in that position?
Not likely.
Posted by: Nick in Virginia | May 6, 2008, 3:36 pm 3:36 pm
Florida and Michigan will be seated in Denver. Very simply, and very easily. There is a 100% chance that the party will divide them up in a near 50-50 split, and in such a fashion that they can participate, but not sway the nomination numbers in favor of either candidate. Of course, this will happen after the election outcome has been formally decided, the superdelegates have spoken, and after Howard Dean asks one of them to step down in June, well in advance of the August convention. Sorry, this is just the way it is. No other way for the party elders to save grace, have unity, and deal with the situation in a manner that does not allow anyone to blame them for the eventual outcome. This will allow them to say that the voters, delegates, and superdelegates decided the election, and they will say that the party has graciously allowed Florida and Michigan to join the party in Denver. You can book it.
Posted by: rco | May 6, 2008, 3:39 pm 3:39 pm
I think the media has been “pro-Obama” for the last 16 mos. I see Hillary getting up everyday, looking at nothing but negatives, taking a lot of slander from reporters, analysts, etc. However, she has fought, she has stamina, endurance and perserverance. She fought for Fl and Mi, she is trying to get relief for gas for America in the short term as well as having a long term plan. When I hear Obama speak, on the stump, he is only reactive to Hillary’s comments. He has no ideals or proaction on his own. I think the GOP definitely wants Obama to be the nominee, thats why they are already thinking of him in that way and trying to force it down America’s throats. They know that Hillary has already been vetted, and that she is a strong, tough, candidate, one that McCain would have trouble beating in the GE. Obama, on the other hand, is just now being vetted, is truly the weaker candidate in a GE vote, and would be easily beaten by McCain. The problem we have as Dems is that we have two very good candidates that have been played by the DNC and now both of them have virturally destroyed the other and will most likely lose to the GOP in the fall! This is sad.
Posted by: jack | May 6, 2008, 3:41 pm 3:41 pm
Sallie,
If a handful of your state “leaders” for self gratifying reasons changed the rules thus silencing your voice, would you still simply think rules are rules? It’s kind of like the the two kids in the back of the classroom that keep talking thus the whole class has to stay in for recess. I’m not in Florida or Michigan but I would be livid if my right as an American to vote was not counted. Yet one more Un-American act that Obama is supporting.
Let these millions of citizens vote!
Posted by: Jules | May 6, 2008, 3:43 pm 3:43 pm
Jack – very well said. I totally agree.
Posted by: bpatz3 | May 6, 2008, 3:43 pm 3:43 pm
Sallie: I think it even goes a step further. If a super who supporter Obama also votes against her gas tax holiday, she will try to use that as leverage to get her own brand of democrat in there. I think her call of “I want to know who is with us and who is against us” in congress based solely on the gas tax holiday is a thinly veiled threat. She is willing to turn the base against the elected democrats unless she is the nominee.
ok . . . maybe I read to much fiction.
Posted by: X marks the spot | May 6, 2008, 3:47 pm 3:47 pm
Very simple: SD has every right to pick one candidate who they think is the best to win back W.H…
That is only job they will do and that is the only reason they will choose their nominee if they care about their party…
Who has the best chance to beat McCain, that is the only thing that matters to SD..
Posted by: True Truth | May 6, 2008, 3:48 pm 3:48 pm
Nicholas – It’s going to be interesting to see where they are going to lay the blame for the loss. My prediction will be the Clintons and racist America – however,never once looking for the real answers; incompetent democratic leadership and an unqualified candidate.
Posted by: Dems lose again | May 6, 2008, 3:51 pm 3:51 pm
So, if the Super D’s have the right to pick the delegate they think can beat the GOP and win back the White House, then why do we even vote? If this is true, why even spend all this money to have elections? Ugh! This is TOOOOO political…..lol…..lets all go have a beer and think about it….lol!
Posted by: jack | May 6, 2008, 3:54 pm 3:54 pm
Jules, blame the state leaders in MI and FL who were elected as the citizen’s representatives, but don’t blame Obama, he’s faithfully following the party rules put forth by our UltraDems, Hillary’s boys, Ickes and McCaulife, as well as Dean, etc. Hillary would be giving Michigan and Florida the finger if she had lost the primary elections in MI and FL, that she once predicted would be irrelevant and would not count toward the nomination. She only wants them to count because she won, and she is behind- if she had lost those states limited elections, she would not be saying anything. You know how the Clintons do things. You can book that too.
Posted by: rco | May 6, 2008, 3:54 pm 3:54 pm
To Raleigh Voter, without rules, there is not functioning society. When you agree to play by the rules, you HAVE to go by the rules. I know that the voters from FL and MI didn’t seek to violate the rules, theirs stupid politicians did it. They should be held accountable before those voters, How? JUST DON’T VOTE FOR THEM. some of them will be on the ballot in November.
If your employees break the rules, you don’t promote them, you FIRE them instead. That’s how things work…
Posted by: Collins | May 6, 2008, 3:54 pm 3:54 pm
If Barack Obama is in Hillary Clinton’s position I am 1000% sure he would do the same thing. He would ask to count the Michigan and Florida primaries. Don’t be a hypocrite and say Hillary is just doing that because she is behind. Of course she is!!!! If Obama is in the same boat he would definitely do the same and if any of you Obama supporters say he won’t just grow up. Politics is dirty and we all know it. RCO – I agree with you. DNC will sit those delegates after everything is all said and done. I am so frustrated about all these and I get so involved every election to just lose.
Posted by: bpatz3 | May 6, 2008, 3:55 pm 3:55 pm
rco, isn’t thats what Obama is doing now? He lost these states, thats why he doesn’t want them counted! Hillary 08 !
Posted by: jack | May 6, 2008, 3:56 pm 3:56 pm
Jack: Obama did not lose the states. How can you say that he lost them when he followed the rules, and Clinton broke them. How about we all start rewarding rule breakers because they’re DARING, TAKE RISKS, etc….Give me a break.
Posted by: r | May 6, 2008, 4:05 pm 4:05 pm
I was a Dem also but now with Dean, Reid, Pelosi running how this election should play out makes me sick to my stomach & I’m now running as a Independant. Go Hillary!
Posted by: CAtalina | May 6, 2008, 4:08 pm 4:08 pm
Catalina: You have your facts wrong. Obama said that he would follow whatever the state legislators decided. The Michigan legislators decided against another primary election….get your facts correct!!!!
Posted by: r | May 6, 2008, 4:09 pm 4:09 pm
Jack thanks for your views and that was why as a Black American, I will never and will not ever in my life vote obama. The useless media houses in this country run negative against Clinton for Obama fo almost 16 months just aginst a woman in order to force Obama on us. BUt all the same she still came up strong after all these negatives, she contested agianst Obama and the American media but she is still up today i think cudos should be given to this woman as well as if the DNC have their senses working rightly i believe Hillary should be the nominee. Who can easily run against the American media in this country???? and still have the type of support she still has today. God bless you Hillary!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: A True black American | May 6, 2008, 4:10 pm 4:10 pm
Yes, I agree. I have no illusions about politicians. they only do and say things that are in their own interests, and voters always vote their pocket books. Two truisms in politics. No politician gets this far, and is naive, untested, a wimp, etc. they are all battle hardened, street savvy, and have much larger egos than the rest of us. You do have to admit that, it is disingenuous for Hilary supporters to say “count the votes in MI and FL, when as you say, Obama supporters would do the same if the the results were reversed? Everyone is hypocritical in politics. I favor Obama over Clinton for their political tactics and style. Hillary is like a growling attack dog, and she tries to manipulate, pander, and then hit you over the head with a hammer. Obama, like Bill Clinton and Ronald Reagan, is more amicable, and wants to find a consensus and solutions that everyone can live with and support. I favor Obama’s approach to getting things done, especially on the international scene. I could care less about Obama’s skin color or Hillary’s gender. Either of them can beat McCain with the media’s help this fall- not to mention the economy, jobs, and the war, McCain’s age, poor temperament and his lack of conservative support base, etc are huge factors that favor the dems this Nov.
Posted by: rco | May 6, 2008, 4:13 pm 4:13 pm
Thank you everyone for the candor and the amusement… We’ll have to wait and see exatly what happens tonight, next week, next month, and at the DNC in Denver. Until then, go right ahead and spew your opinions which don’t matter to anyone but yourselves! Keep it up… the world needs more laughter!
Posted by: Mrs. Tiggywinkle | May 6, 2008, 4:17 pm 4:17 pm
R – the frustration is not because Hillary is loosing. I am frustrated because the party insiders are going to vote for Obama and we will lose again in November. I am so tired of losing in the general election.
R – do you honestly think that Obama will even be in this position if the American people knew about Wright, Ayers and Sinclair before the primary season? I bet not.
Posted by: bpatz3 | May 6, 2008, 4:21 pm 4:21 pm
Posted by: jack | May 6, 2008 3:32:45 PM – Jack, Jack, Jack. Such a long post, and you were so pressed to post after your meeting with a student. Trouble is you said “before you vote tomorrow”. Now could it be that this was all a hoax and a bit of a spam showing up all over the net?
Posted by: Sanity Man | May 6, 2008, 4:22 pm 4:22 pm
The Dems have two fine Presidential candidates in 2008 – Senator Clinton is honest, selfless and kind to a fault. Senator Obama’s legislative experience is voluminous. Both of these candidates can identify from their own life experience with the working class. This is Consultofactus reporting from an alternate universe where everything is exactly the opposite to reality.
Posted by: Consultofactus | May 6, 2008, 4:28 pm 4:28 pm
Keasha, excellent post! I couldn’t agree more! This is why I feel he is the weaker candidate…..empty suit, no substance! Obama was forced down our throats by the media (GOP owned), and thats why he won the states he did. Hillary stayed on course, fighting everyday,not only the media, Obama, but also the new faction of the Democratic party, and has proven to be the better candidate. Dean, Pelosi, and Reid didn’t win those states for Obama, but the GOP media did. The GOP wants him to be the nominee……he is so much weaker than Clinton…..and now, that this has happened, if Obama is the nominee, over half of the Clinton supporters will go with McCain. If she runs as an Independent, she will be basically a “spoiler”, thus McCain wins again….the NEW “FACTION” Democratic Party, designed by Dean, Pelosi, and Reid has now turned into their worst enemy……..I don’t see the Dems regaining the White House in the fall…..4 more years of Bush!
Posted by: jack | May 6, 2008, 4:28 pm 4:28 pm
If she steals this nomination with superdelegates in a back room I will no longer be a democrate and will probably quit voting and andvise all my friends (who just signed up to vote for the first time) to not vote as well. If this is how this country and that party works they are not worthy of my time. I’d also rather cut my u know whats off than have Hillary as pres.
Posted by: JOe | May 6, 2008, 4:29 pm 4:29 pm
Too bad that Obama does not want to engage in a negative campaign. He could have shown the Hillary Bosnia lie footage over and ever again as she did to him on his “bitter” comments. If he did, she would be crushed a long time ago. He did not even mention it unless when asked. I am sure the Republicans will if they need to.
Posted by: leighg1 | May 6, 2008, 4:30 pm 4:30 pm
Sanity Man, if you read the beginning of the post, I gave credence to the author, DC Voter…….was not mine and it was not spam, but a very good explanation of what is going on in the Democratic Party.
Posted by: jack | May 6, 2008, 4:33 pm 4:33 pm
Hillary fought a bitter battle against Obama and the American media for alomost 16 months and she still survived after all.
Check MSNBC, CNN, NYT . The main stream media houses in this country , they are all supporting Obama . If Hillary could still run this far i cudos to a brav e woman and a true American hero she has benn battered by thes media house syet she still came out strong. DNC should should use their right senses anvd support Hillary
Posted by: A True black American | May 6, 2008, 4:38 pm 4:38 pm
Consultofactus:
“Senator Clinton is honest, selfless …”
You ought to be a comedian. Soooo funny :-)
Posted by: Gillis | May 6, 2008, 4:38 pm 4:38 pm
Keasha, NC – Obama’s energy plan is to tax windfall profits to invest in research on renewable energy, and to raise CAFE standards for autos (he said this in Detroit to no applause, but CAFE standards have to be raised in order for our cars to be sold in China). Now Hillary also wants the windfall profits tax on oil to go to research,but that would be hard because she already is saying it should fund the suspension of the Federal Tax on gasoline. Hillary’s plan also encourages consumption that raises the price of gasoline more, and also more pollution and global warming.
So that is Obama’s plan and the Hillary plan that won’t work. Now who is telling the truth?
Posted by: Sanity Man | May 6, 2008, 4:40 pm 4:40 pm
Hillary staying on course? You have got to be joking the woman is so fake she’s sounding more and more like bush everyday. Nuke Iran, cut gas tax, she knows that tax won’t work I know she’s smarter than that. Then you get I don’t listen to economists, come on! sounds like Bush’s gut is directing her. You hill supporters are so blind! She’s just saying what you want to here. She doesn’t even know how to pump gas!!!
Posted by: Joe | May 6, 2008, 4:40 pm 4:40 pm
Obama will win in November. Everybody knows it, including McCain. That’s why the Republicans want to go against Clinton instead. The Republican machine is already trying to defeat Obama before he bocomes nominated because they are so afraid he will win by landslide. And Hillary is helping them do it.
Posted by: Gillis | May 6, 2008, 4:43 pm 4:43 pm
Beating McCain would be so easy, that’s why Hillary is fighting so hard because she thinks the Republican tiger is weak this election cycle.
Posted by: Gillis | May 6, 2008, 4:44 pm 4:44 pm
People who support Obama is doing him a disservice. The fact is that he is damaged. If Obama win the primary and lose the election, he will be forever banned from running as the candidate. I would not hesitate to vote for him if he have few more years of experience and exposure. While some people think the business with his pastor and radical left wing fanatics is not a big deal as a 2nd generation immigrant, this is a BIG deal. He may or may not think as his pastor, but politics is about perception. If I am an immigrant and a minority can not accept this then you can bet that the majority of American will not accept. It’s not about his pastor, who cares about him. It is about the candidate itself. With a slim resume, he call to people to trust him on his words, that words matters, ideas, judgment are worth it. The pastor incident disproved all of these. If words, ideas mattered, why didn’t he say and do anything for the past twenty years. If he claims that he has the ability to bridge the race, why didn’t he start right at his pastor, his grand mother, his church.Most presidential candidate have one and only one shot at it. If he step up into the ring now, he will be forever damage. The best option for him is to take a VP position or bow out, which give him time to rehabilitate his image and improve his weakness (experience). Eight years from know, if someone ask him about the pastor, he can answer very honestly that it was a mistake, and he can prove that he correct it during the 8 years as VP and full of experience. I know this is not going to convince any of Obama’s supporters and I might be called all kinds of things but it is reality plain and simple.
Posted by: mhertz40 | May 6, 2008, 4:44 pm 4:44 pm
Well Al Gore really knows how to lose, especially here in Florida, so he’s really the authority on which candidate to choose. Gore is also being severely tested on his global warming catastrophic theories by such unknowns as NASA, the National Hurricane Center and the NOAA National Weather Service to name a few. If the sun spots continue to diminish, global warming will be the best we can get in the face of a new Ice Age. Please, Gore — keep the trap shut.
Posted by: Samantha | May 6, 2008, 4:45 pm 4:45 pm
leighg1 goes to show us just what’s wrong with the voting public.
To actually say that Obama is not going negative?? That if Obama was not such a non-negative politician he would have looped Clinton’s Bosnia story…
LOL…The commercials he is running here in NC are the most negative that I have seen yet by ANY other politician in this state…and there are a few negative ads out there involving runs for other offices. If I recall, Fox news was the one that brought forth the story about Wright…have to give them credit for having the guts. I do not remember Clinton being the one to bring up Wright unless she was ASKED about it.
Take off the rose colored glasses would you..Bosnia and Wright are at opposite ends of the spectrum…
Lets have a decent exchange of comments here, not this nonsense.
Posted by: Raleigh Voter | May 6, 2008, 4:46 pm 4:46 pm
Hillary fought a bitter battle against Obama and the American media for alomost 16 months and she still survived after all.
Check MSNBC, CNN, NYT . The main stream media houses in this country , they are all supporting Obama . If Hillary could still run this far after about 16 months, i give cudos to a brave woman and a true American hero she has been battered and bruised by these media houses yet she still came out strong. DNC should should use their right senses and support Hillary
Posted by: A True black American | May 6, 2008, 4:48 pm 4:48 pm
SHE CAN’T EVEN PUMP GAS!!!!!
Posted by: Joe | May 6, 2008, 4:49 pm 4:49 pm
Considering that Obama voted to suspend the gas tax three times when gas cost less than $2 a gallon and has an energy lobbyist chairing his Indiana campaign, it’s hard to take his latest criticisms very seriously. Obama wants Americans to pay the gas tax but Hillary thinks the big oil companies should pay it this summer.”
Facts:
Obama voted three times for a gas tax holiday in 2000 when gas prices were less than $2 a gallon.
Kip Tew, the top advisor to Obama’s Indiana campaign is an energy lobbyist. Tew said recently, “I’m not running away from the fact that I’m a lobbyist. I have a healthy client list, and I’m proud of it.”
Obama said that he is not for lobbyist. Where is the change that he says he is bringing?
Posted by: Catalina | May 6, 2008, 4:49 pm 4:49 pm
mhertz40…I agree with you on some of your points. For me it is a about judgment. I was an Obama supporter last year and switched to Edwards. I was in awe after seeing him speak and thought that he was the greatest thing out there. It is funny how I look back at how I felt then and compare it to what I know now.
Before all of this Wright garbage, I felt uneasy about Obama. While he is a great speaker and motivator, I just knew something was missing. Once I began researching him, I could hardly find any experience outside of a few years in the Senate. I mean you can say what you want, but before that, he really did not do much. I looked up his charity work…again not much.
I do not believe that Obama deserves any blame for what Wright says. My problem with that whole situation, is that it took Obama SO long to figure out what was wrong with Wright, but Oprah picked up on it long ago. With so little experience as a politician, Obama has already used his office to return favors and associated himself with the wrong kind of people.
Imagine what he would do as President. Just too many questions…
Now I do believe he will be the Dem nominee…but it is exciting to see what will happen in NC and IN tonite. You have to thank the Dems for keeping us interested…thats about it though.
Posted by: Raleigh Voter | May 6, 2008, 4:54 pm 4:54 pm
FRedStates – Obama’s campaign is not cratering (the only cratering took place in February when Hillary was totally unprepared for any campaign past Super Tuesday). It’s been going a little better than expected. Penn was mush closer than it should of been, Texas was actually a win for Obama (but no body is supposed to talk about that), and Hillary’s delegate pick up in Penn is already negated by super-delegate pick ups since than by Obama. How is this cratering?
Oh yeah, the Rev Wright thing. Well that has not slowed Obama down, but there is a lot of noise by Hillary supporters and cable bobble-heads that have to keep this going. The former because of denial and the latter because of ad income.
That “possibility” of Hillary winning is so remote very very small, that she is only electing McSame now.
Posted by: Sanity Man | May 6, 2008, 4:54 pm 4:54 pm
Hillary battered by the media houses. They have barely vetted her current issues, sniper fire, gas tax, everything good behind Bill’s presidency was mine, etc.
What about conflict of interest with Bill being paid to lobby by foreign governments? What about watergate, whitewater, travelgate, filegate, Peter Paul, Norman Hsu? A little blurp here and there. If she wins the nominee, the republicans are going to remind everyone why 60% of us don’t trust her. I bet that 60% can go to 80% in a hurry.
Posted by: X marks the spot | May 6, 2008, 4:55 pm 4:55 pm
Obama supporters, Just a heads up, seven minutes to go until the Obama Hour hosted by Chris Matthews comes on. We don’t want to miss it on this exciting day. Can’t wait to see what Our Guy Keith has to say tonight. I’m getting tingly already in anticipation.
Signed,
A listless follower
Posted by: Media Alert | May 6, 2008, 4:55 pm 4:55 pm
Obama ad misrepresents Krugman quote to attack Hillary
Obama has a new ad which claims that “experts” believe Hillary’s plan for a gas tax holiday would “boost oil industry profits.” Their citation is an April 28 column by Paul Krugman, which discusses McCain’s plan, not Hillary’s plan:
The impression that Mr. McCain’s tax talk is all about pandering is reinforced by his proposal for a summer gas tax holiday — a measure that would, in fact, do little to help consumers, although it would boost oil industry profits.
Hillary’s plan differs from McCain’s in that it is financed with a windfall profits tax on oil companies. Krugman, who does not support Hillary’s plan, acknowledges that her plan will not increase profits for the oil industry.
Krugman adds: “Just to be clear: I don’t regard this as a major issue. It’s a one-time thing, not a matter of principle…Health care reform, on the other hand, could happen, and is very much a long-term issue — so poisoning the well by in effect running against universality, as Obama has, is a much more serious breach.”
Krugman is a economist and said that Hillary’s could work. So all of you Obama supporters stop hating and get your finger nails out of your mouth because Hillary will prevail out of this!
Posted by: Keasha, NC | May 6, 2008, 4:58 pm 4:58 pm
Jesus is correct. Plus Obama voted for the Bush/Cheney Energy Bill.
For a “new” kind of politician, Obama certainly can hang with with the best of them.
Change we can believe in….hypocrite.
Posted by: James | May 6, 2008, 4:58 pm 4:58 pm
it will be impossible for the democrats to unite with Obama as the candidate..ill never vote for a racist like him…never…its not due to color of skin..its due to his shady associations
Posted by: ryan | May 6, 2008, 4:58 pm 4:58 pm
Jesus: First let me say, you dad did a bang up job. Obama supported the gas tax holiday in Illinois, the holiday happened and then analysis showed it didn’t work. Now Obama has learned from his experience and so now does not support the tax holiday. There are a lot of posters who conveniently forget that Obama learned from the prior experience and are trying to paint him as flip-flopping. They are being a bit lax with the truth to support their own agenda.
Posted by: X marks the spot | May 6, 2008, 4:59 pm 4:59 pm
Really she is out of touch mom and dad paid for everthing to get her to this point. She’s a spoiled little girl in old B#@$%! womans clothing. 110 millon dollars in what 4 years not to mention all the shady crap she and her husband made on the side people think she’s in touch with me, my white ass! What about the uranium mine Bill helped set up in Europe with terrorist organizations pretty shady. Then all the crappy trade agrements. Oh yea and SHE CAN’T EVEN PUMP GAS!!! Sorry if you can’t pump gas you have no business being pres.
Posted by: Joe | May 6, 2008, 4:59 pm 4:59 pm
I would like an Obama supporter to explain to me why he voted for the Bush/Cheney Energy Bill.
Could it be that he is in bed with Illinois energy?
Change we can believe in…hypocrite
Posted by: Raleigh Voter | May 6, 2008, 5:03 pm 5:03 pm
Did Obama take his name off the Michigan ballot because he didn’t think he could win anyway? Why did some of the voters vote uncommitted. Give Obama the uncommitted votes in Michigan. He was on the ballot in Florida, so give him the votes he won there. Absolutely give Hillary the votes she received in both states. The Party was wrong to punish those voters. Punishment for the state party leaders should not punish the voters. That goes against the democratic principles the Party has stood for. No more caucus selections, and no more throwing out the people’s votes!
If Al Gore had not been cheated out of the election in 2000, we might not have suffered through the last eight years or this devisive campaign. There is that little “if” word again.
Hillary is the strongest candidate in this race. Let us pray that she wins. The Party has a lot of work to do to clean up its act. Otherwise, it will be in more trouble than it appears right now.
Thanks, Al Gore, for all you have done and all of the good work you continue to do!
Posted by: georgia | May 6, 2008, 5:04 pm 5:04 pm
I am not proud to be an American anymore. I was hoodwinked and bamboozled by Obama. I am ashamed. The MSM is in the tank for Obama. I have been watching CNN and just saw Cafferty put out a survey question from his blogs that lump Clinton and McCain together on the gas tax proposal. This was debunked by experts as being a lie that the Obama campaign put out in its latest ad. I am amazed at how stupid I have been. My degree from Berkely did not help me know the difference between a real democrat and a fake one. Obama is a fake!
Please please, superdelegates, correct my error! I am sure there are many more like me. The DNC of 1982 was smarter than me and smarter than most of us. We desperately need your courage and conviction to nominate Clinton so we dont lose to McCain. The centrists were right and they need to take control of the party back from these skilled manipulators of the left wing currently in control.
Posted by: MELISSA | May 6, 2008, 5:04 pm 5:04 pm
Raleigh Voter – here are the questions that I have.
If Hillary is such a good leader and problem solver why has she blown a 20% point lead in December?
Why was she so unprepared after Super-tuesday? Is this leading her organization?
How can she propose a gas tax holliday that spends the same money twice, increases has prices and global warming? Republicans appeal to short term greed, not us.
How could anyone running for office say that they would obliterate another country. Isreal is attacked and we obliterate Iran. OK now what? Yes, every oil producing country on earth turns against us, dollar goes crazy, massive inflation, we stand alone and broken.
This is a leader? The things that you mention as concerns are so small compared to these.
Posted by: Sanity Man | May 6, 2008, 5:07 pm 5:07 pm
Sanity…I have heard it all before. Why don’t you focus on providing answers to what makes Obama a better leader without bringing in his opponent. This is what I see little of.
Posted by: Raleigh Voter | May 6, 2008, 5:08 pm 5:08 pm
Jesus: I don’t know how many times I have to say this…caucuses count!! I know you don’t want them to count, and like the Clinton’s believe that the nominee should be the person who won California and New York. Last time I looked, there are 50 states in this country, not 2. That is not democracy at work…You should be blaming Clinton for ignoring these states, because if she hadn’t, she wouldn’t have been behind. I know for a fact that if Clinton was ahead, and Obama was complaining she would be EMPHASIZING that caucuses count. I understand your frustration over the fact that your candidate is losing….I would feel the same way if mine was losing too.
Posted by: r | May 6, 2008, 5:15 pm 5:15 pm
Jesus: Right…because $30 for the entire summer will really make a difference for people…the oil companies will just raise prices again, and we’ll be back where we were before the holiday.
Posted by: r | May 6, 2008, 5:16 pm 5:16 pm
Jesus: One more point…Obama never denied that he voted for the gas tax in 2000…on Meet the Press on Sunday, he told Russert that his vote was a mistake, and that he found that he should have voted against it because it wasn’t helping. Unlike Clinton, Obama admits when he voted in the wrong way.
Posted by: r | May 6, 2008, 5:18 pm 5:18 pm
Catalina said: He has bamboozled all of the Americans!
Making generalized statements never works….
Posted by: r | May 6, 2008, 5:20 pm 5:20 pm
Lee: Do you seriously think Obama can’t win without your vote?
Obama supporters are brainwashed attack dogs? Wow…I’m sure your low self-esteem went through the roof with that attack.
Posted by: r | May 6, 2008, 5:25 pm 5:25 pm
Jesus: Maybe in your mind, rule breakers should be rewarded (FL and MI), but in reality they don’t…Funny how I saw a poll just yesterday that completly contradicted your poll….these polls are funny things, aren’t they?
Posted by: r | May 6, 2008, 5:28 pm 5:28 pm
Whoever made that dim-witted comment is probably part of Hillary’s base: beer drinking, gun totin’ uneducated blue collar workers who for some reason still carry lunchboxes to work….
either that or the 80 year old granny who keeps on saying “When I was your age…”
Posted by: The real r | May 6, 2008, 5:30 pm 5:30 pm
Raleigh Voter – Well you were saying that the determining factor for you were questions about Obama. And you talked about Obama’s opponents, now I see I can’t talk about opponents and you want to know what makes him a better leader. OK
Obama has lead a better campaign. It looked at the long picture and has never taken anything for granted.
Obama has crossed old identity politics lines and has made politics more inspiring and shaken up the old agreed upon wedge issues that so divide us.
Obama does stand up when it is not convienient. In Detroit he did say that CAFE standards had to be increased. He did not go along with the gas tax holiday which was the politically expedient thing, but economists said it was wrong.
He bucked the trend is saying that he will talk to unfriendly countries rather than go through the posturing that has lead to deadlock when events are moving quickly.
He spoke out against the Iraq war from day one (just like me) and beleive me it was not popular to do so. We were called traitors.
He can identify with the people of other countries as he is not from the usual mold of American leader.
He gives of himself for others. He was the first black editor of the Harvard Law Review and had any number of large lucrative law firms vying for him. But he chose a low paying community activist job in the not so glamerous South Side of Chicago. (I’ve lived in the Chicago area, it is not a nice place). This was very unselfish. He is not a phony.
And he is charismatic. He can inspire people to act, and to see the good in America, their government, and their differences. Charisma can be used by evil people, but Obama has never shown malace towards people, and if he were greedy he would have taken the many other opportunities.
So does that explain it for you?
Posted by: Sanity Man | May 6, 2008, 5:32 pm 5:32 pm
Lee – wasn’t that the truth? However they want to spin the Wright fiasco it boils down to his judgment and character which the American people have the right to question. I pity the superdelegates though. Having to pick between someone who is unelectable and someone whom the party leaders hate. I also pity the hardcore democrats who time and time again have voted for the democratic nominee only to lose in GE.
Posted by: mhertz40 | May 6, 2008, 5:37 pm 5:37 pm
When it comes to negative campaign tactics, Obama has been a hypocrite from day one, decrying attack politics from one side of his mouth while he and his campaign wage a character assassination effort from the other.
Posted by: Mary | May 6, 2008, 5:38 pm 5:38 pm
Mary – The Olberman bit is also on Daily Kos.
Posted by: Sanity Man | May 6, 2008, 5:39 pm 5:39 pm
texas mama: …and I should be taking your advice because…?
Posted by: the real r | May 6, 2008, 5:40 pm 5:40 pm
I love this…when the Clintonistas have been beaten they resort to personal attacks (which never work). I love it!
Posted by: the real r | May 6, 2008, 5:44 pm 5:44 pm
Once we have a nominee, I predict that he/she will surge ahead of McCain in the polls. I was formerly for Hillary, but her campaign has done a lot to alienate me and I’ve come to the conclusion that Obama would be a better nominee. However, I’ll vote for either against the GOP–McCain offers nothing different from Bush & Cheney. God bless President Gore for doing the good work that he’s doing.
Posted by: bluedem | May 6, 2008, 5:55 pm 5:55 pm
It seems grossly unfair to predict a winner before all the states have had their say. Is it no wonder that many states wanted to get at the head of the class? I mean for the last couple months every state seems to just be a voting exercise that means absolutely nothing. The throngs of folks voting are doing so because the party is very divided. Each candidate has their supporters that pretty much hate the other candidate. It really isn’t about policy, but more of a personal dislike. So the Clinton supporters want to see a woman win and are furious she is being marginalized by Barack and his supporters. I can see why those that voted for Clinton will probably not vote for Barack. Nobody is marginalizing Hillary more than Barack. He doesn’t want to debate her, he doesn’t want to be seen talking with her, and in fact they don’t talk according to Hillary. That is no surprise. Barack has been embraced by NBC and MSNBC and pretty much CNN. The Clintons have been thrown under the bus. I have to give it to Hillary that she has stayed positive and willing to do go to Plan B when it was necessary. Barack on the other hand, just gets quiet when things aren’t going so well. Apparently he avoids the press for fear I guess of slipping up and having another gaffe. Hillary is much less timid and if she makes another gaffe she just works harder. Good for her.
Posted by: Susan | May 6, 2008, 6:02 pm 6:02 pm
l: My point exactly….resorting to personal attacks, which always happens when your losing….
Posted by: the real r | May 6, 2008, 6:04 pm 6:04 pm
Susan: Look at the math…Obama only needs to win NC and OR and he has sealed up the nomination…he leads in both states according to the latest polls.
Posted by: the real r | May 6, 2008, 6:06 pm 6:06 pm
Ahh, resorting to childish tactics. Wow, a real new low. Whoever posted that fraud of a comment must be 5 years old at the most. Are you the 80 year old granny or the uneducated blue collar worker?
Posted by: the real r #2 | May 6, 2008, 6:09 pm 6:09 pm
Howard Dean has been trying to tap dance in his head how he can ‘include’ Florida and Michigan WITHOUT it actually mattering in the nomination process.
If Obama wins the nomination due to super delegates before the decision is made, its the same as Michigan and Florida not counting at all.
Their delegates get a free and meaningless trip to the convention.
Posted by: tomdavie | May 6, 2008, 6:16 pm 6:16 pm
No thanks go to you Gore, if the nomination is in fact settled before the convention.
Same goes for Edwards, who has shown himself to be much less for the people than he made himself out to be. He’s not endorsing because he wants to go with the winner. Not impressive. Not helpful.
Posted by: Mike Denhof | May 6, 2008, 6:21 pm 6:21 pm
The sad thing in the end of the Demo primaries is that the Rep will gain more members and votes in the fall, simply because BO has so alienated a large group of people that are essential for them to win the general elections.
Now, with McCain, you know what to expect in the next four years. With BO, ya never know; he could be good, or he could be Bush. You take the flip.
Posted by: lazy | May 6, 2008, 6:23 pm 6:23 pm
supertrooper: As someone once said, there are three parties in this country…
Republicans
Democrats
The Clintons
Posted by: rrr | May 6, 2008, 6:28 pm 6:28 pm
The Demo establishments are willing to throw this election away by losing it in a most improbable way, rather than choosing a superior fighter. There is a clear reason for doing so, unless there is a dumbass who pretends to need to be explained. They clearly realized this is a weaker candidate, although brilliantly deceived so many people by all kinds of tricks including feeling good speeches and the trump card. At this point, there is no way out, and they will simply stick to the gun.
Your best hope, yeah, HOPE, is 4 years from now.
Posted by: lazy | May 6, 2008, 6:34 pm 6:34 pm
Sorry Tom, but it will be the brightest…and we’ll all be celebrating.
Posted by: rrr | May 6, 2008, 6:38 pm 6:38 pm
Bi-polar fraud:Momma’s still ringing that cow bell….don’t you want to stop the voices in your head…if you do than take the medication.
Posted by: rvvrvv | May 6, 2008, 6:42 pm 6:42 pm
tom: I think you have it wrong…it seems like Clinton’s supporters will be rioting…maybe that beer is making you woozy?
Posted by: rvvrvv | May 6, 2008, 6:43 pm 6:43 pm
Can someone educate me why and what the hell is Kerry still talking? Shouldn’t he be hiding in his holes for such an inept campaign that he had run?
He and the old Senate minority loser who cannot win their own elections are the type of people BO attracts.
Posted by: fat cat, Chicago | May 6, 2008, 7:11 pm 7:11 pm
If Florida and Michigan are not seated or given a revote then as true Americans, let’s start a class action suit against the DNC that simply states that we, as Americans, were disenfranchised because all votes are supposed to count in a general election! We could appeal to the ACLU because our civil liberties were violated!
Posted by: rosariarachael | May 6, 2008, 7:12 pm 7:12 pm
Hillary supporters on this blog are not even democrats. They are Republicans in sheeps clothing rooting for the weaker democrat that they have a chance of beating in Nov. and that is Hillary.
Sorry Republicans, you have to deal with Barack Obama. He is our champion.
Posted by: Gillis | May 6, 2008, 7:14 pm 7:14 pm
North Carolina goes for Obama!
Obama 08!
Posted by: Mike | May 6, 2008, 7:33 pm 7:33 pm
Hillary should abandon the race and embark on her own campaign to the White House as a third party candidate. She would surely attract the middle of the road voter leaving the Black vote to Obama and the die hard Republicans to McCain. Go Hillary !!
Posted by: Macky | May 6, 2008, 7:38 pm 7:38 pm
Obama can have North Carolina…McCain will take the election in Novembe. The Hillary supporters will make sure of that…and I am one of them! The DNC has made it clear that they want obama because they do not want to lose the African American core of voters…well, if the white vote doesn’t count with the DNC, I will take my white fanny right over to the Republican side. The Democratic Party is not what it used to be…they are the most disorganized bunch in the political arena! And I have voted for a Dem for my entire life….and you Obamazombies are just voting for Obama because he is black…he has not substance just a lot of um um, um ,um…..talk about an empty suit with his foot in his mouth and Ayers, Wright, Rezko in his pocket!
Posted by: rosariarachael | May 6, 2008, 8:01 pm 8:01 pm
Obama is electable. We cannot afford another republican in the white house. Even some republicans won’t vote for McCain. I think they would rather have a dem win and try again in 2012. Now what does that tell you.
Posted by: lisa | May 6, 2008, 8:24 pm 8:24 pm
Sanity Man, The answers to your questions are:
Biased media, Obama’s camp playing the race card at every turn, high registration of college students in college towns, and skewed caucus states.
She was not unprepared after Super Tuesday, she won most of the big states; Obama has won mostly red skewed caucus states which do not clearly reflect the will of the voters.
Gas tax holiday is short term relief for those who are really hurting, people on limited incomes who commute to work, truckers who are bearing the biggest damage from high gas prices. Hillary gets it, Obama doesn’t. Someone needs to push for a windfall profits tax on the greedy oil companies. They have made billions on the backs of working people.
Countries, such as Iran, who dare to bomb Israel or one of our allies need to be forewarned that if they dare to attack, their own obliteration may be the price to pay. Hillary is for diplomacy along with a strong military. She will be strong enough and decisive enough to make the right decision. Do you actually believe if that happens that we will lose oil or
will stand alone and broken? In what kind of world? That act would change the world as we know it. What would you do? What about NATO? Do we have treaties with other countries, then abandon them at will when we are needed. Break our word? The Cold War was about treaties and the knowledge that the United States would come to the defense of NATO allies if the Soviet Union or others attacked our allies. Hillary knows and understands history and the price to pay if we just let things happen.
We need someone who has a great deal of knowledge of the issues, has the experience, has the toughness, someone who understands the needs of the people. Hillary gets it. Obama doesn’t. He is green.
Posted by: georgia | May 6, 2008, 8:39 pm 8:39 pm
rosaria, I like your post.
Posted by: Zephaniah | May 6, 2008, 8:43 pm 8:43 pm
I want a candidate that can actually say and show they LOVE America.. not one that will only be proud of America if they, not one that cannot face our flag and acknowledge what it means to a true American. One that does not have to “defend” himself for being cultish or un-American. I want a Christian and an American. Obama has not convinced me he is either..with his stuttering when asked to defend those issues.. He only denounced his “uncle” Wright when it started to hurt his chances.. how can Americans be so blind sited to support such a person… If Hillary does not represent my party.. I will have to choose McCain.. Obama is just a Democratic Bush .. and a lot more
Posted by: Val | May 6, 2008, 8:55 pm 8:55 pm
Hillary is the best choice…hands down
Posted by: Cliff | May 6, 2008, 9:14 pm 9:14 pm
Dr. Dean has done an incredible feat to bring in new voter with his 50 state plan. Florida and Michigan will cause our Democratic party to suffer for 50 years.
All the Hillary Rodham Clinton voters know Obama cheated those two states. They know that Hillary went to Michigan to help Michigan to do a revote because Obama made a juvenile error by removing his name from the ballot. So to be fair she agreed to a revote. He did not have the nerve to meet with her, instead he took a vacation to the Virgin Islands and 2 of his attorneys went to Michigan and stopped the revote. Obama is his self centered desire to win a ball game hurt our party irreparably. In years to come Dr. Dean will be blamed, yet they may not be all wrong but he allowed the candidates to decide on a revote. That was wrong, he should have said there will be a revote.
In Florida the votes are certified and will be counted, no questions. Obama campaigned there and some have it on film. Hillary did not. Both their names were on the ballot. We will NEVER,never, vote for him. He is an embarassment to the Democratic party by cheating. Who would trust him?
They have kept his cheating out of the news but remember the media is Republican owned and you will a 360 in June. They are already talking about Obama cheating.
#1 most left in the Senate is Obama, he will lose the election in November. He has fractured our Democratic party. My Grandparents,parents and my family has always voted Democrat. My spouse and family have voted Republican, this year they voted making history, by voting Democrat,and proudly for Hillary.
We need to correct the last 8 years and look to a bright future with a President that has numerous accolades under her belt. Someone that we trust, have confidence in, and one that makes our nation feel strong and secure.
Posted by: jdaniels | May 6, 2008, 9:18 pm 9:18 pm
Some people are so hung up on sex,color
of skin and popular carismatic people
rather than people who have proven
years of experience and know how to
get the job done. We need Americans
who accept Christianty,Patriotism and
Responsibility (without excuse) for
the problems Americans are facing daily.
HILLARY HAS ACTIVELY BEEN MORE INVOLVED
LONGER WITH AMERICANS PROBLEMS AND UNDERSTANDS THE URGENT NEEDS FACING THE
AMERICAN PEOPLE. RICE AND COL.POWELL
ARE MORE EXPERIENCED PEOPLE. IF
THEIR ISSUES WERE THE SAME AS HILLARY’S
AND THEY WERE RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT OF
USA,IT WOULD BE A MORE DIFFICULT CHOICE
FOR ME.
Posted by: RANDY | May 6, 2008, 10:15 pm 10:15 pm
I voted for Clinton, but if she loses the nominatin, I will vote for McCain.
Posted by: Dumitra Ittu | May 6, 2008, 10:18 pm 10:18 pm
Indiana goes for Hillary, NC for Obama, but Obama picks up a net gain in both delegates AND popular vote.
Seems that’s not so good for the Clinton team.
Posted by: BobC | May 6, 2008, 10:21 pm 10:21 pm
I don”t think anyone in America is worried about the economy.If they were Mitt Romney would be running for president. The Bible which I believe is true says there will be wars and rumors of wars and as long as there is twoo people on earth there will be.
Posted by: Rebecca | May 6, 2008, 10:23 pm 10:23 pm
Looks like the Chicago machine is trying to steal Indiana.
I propose this. Have a gas tax holiday in those areas that supported Clinton. In black neighborhoods and college towns charge them the gas tax.
Posted by: geevill | May 6, 2008, 10:37 pm 10:37 pm
It is called a compromise. It called being a good sport on Obama’s part to even consider seating FL and MI. They will be seated in a manner that does not disadvantage any candidate – 50/50.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>BS.. Hillary romped Obama by a minimum 300,000 poular votes and won Michigans majority to boot
Posted by: md | May 6, 2008, 11:04 pm 11:04 pm
rallph, what are you talking about. The voters have spoken and yes Obama is electable.
Posted by: erin | May 6, 2008, 11:12 pm 11:12 pm
People, let’s face it. Hillary lost tonight and it doesn’t look good. Let’s get united and vote for whoever will be a winner from now. We need to focus on general election now.
Posted by: Todd | May 6, 2008, 11:15 pm 11:15 pm
Look at what Obama supporters are doing in Lake County! They are NOT counting the votes so no network will declare the state of Indy for Clinton.
Obama people are cheaters.
Posted by: Nick | May 6, 2008, 11:21 pm 11:21 pm
james, what are you suggesting, if Obama is nominated, you Hillary supporters are not going to vote for him in the general election?
Posted by: Todd | May 6, 2008, 11:22 pm 11:22 pm
Clinton supporters are PROUD of America! That’s not the liberal Obama supporters who are ashamed to be an American. Look at Michelle…it took her husband running in an election to get her proud of her country.
So YES! Clinton supporters will vote for McCain! At least we’ll have a President that thinks America is great in McCain
Posted by: Nick | May 6, 2008, 11:26 pm 11:26 pm
James, you would rather have McCain. I am shaking my head here. How could a dem vote for a republican with this economy, the war, the Supreme Court at risk. And are you saying you won’t vote for Obama because of his supporters. Now I’ve heard everything. Is this like I’m taking my toys and going home. Give me a break.
Posted by: lisa | May 6, 2008, 11:30 pm 11:30 pm
If white voted like the black in 91% favoring Hillary, what will be the result?
If the Obama win the nomination, the Democratic will be hijacked by the black in the next 12 years. Same as those conservatives to the Republican.
Posted by: UScitizen2144 | May 6, 2008, 11:35 pm 11:35 pm
Well to be honest, my economy is greatly hurt when I apply for jobs by affirmative action.
My economy is also affected when my son applies for college and has to deal with affirmative action again!
So give me a break and tell me a different story when you tell us about how the Dems are for the white rural working poor!
GOOD GRIEF! My son will have to score higher on his tests and have a stronger resume than OBAMA’s daughters! BECAUSE he’s white! This is a major issue.
Posted by: Nicholas | May 6, 2008, 11:35 pm 11:35 pm
No results to come in?
Are those results comming from europe?
Get lost!
Obama is a cheater! That county that holds the election results is next to Chicago!
You go figure
85% of the thieves are black anyway!!!
Posted by: Al, IN | May 6, 2008, 11:38 pm 11:38 pm
Jr, why would you vote for someone who has no idea what to do with the economy. He wants to continue Bush’s economic plan. And please think about the Supreme Court and the war. How could you do this to a country that desperatly needs help that McCain won’t provide.
Posted by: lisa | May 6, 2008, 11:38 pm 11:38 pm
We will fix him in Kentucky !
Winner takes all in KT for Hillary!
Posted by: Sheila, KT | May 6, 2008, 11:41 pm 11:41 pm
Obama supporters will not vote McCain if Hillary is the nonimee. They will back Hillary. They should be ashamed if they didn’t just as Hillary supporters should be ashamed if they vote for McCain. We have too much at stake.
Posted by: lisa | May 6, 2008, 11:42 pm 11:42 pm
If Obama becomes the winner in IN, he has stolen the votes !
Brownick county is next to Chicago, and still did not report yet!It is unusual!
I hope and wish Obama will get shot by a white patriot during this election process!
Posted by: Mel, IN | May 6, 2008, 11:44 pm 11:44 pm
YEAH Lisa that’s why we are voting for McCain. Too much is at risk!
We risk voting in an anti-American liberal!
Wright’s buddy! Ayer’s friend.
I think you should be ashamed for supporting Obama!
Don’t you care about your country? Don’t you love your country? I’m sure we can find another country for you Lisa!
Posted by: Ben | May 6, 2008, 11:47 pm 11:47 pm
Nicholas you can’t blame it on affirmative action. I have 2 kids in college. It’s very competitive out there. It’s all across the country. Yes your son may have to do cartwells to get into a college. But it’s not because of affirmation action. Do you even read the newspaper. More kids are applying for college then ever before.
Posted by: lisa | May 6, 2008, 11:50 pm 11:50 pm
GAry county is next to Chicago and they have been holding till now!
Obama people have been counting how many votes they have needed to make it happen to win IN!
Hillary must endorser John McCain!
And run in 2012!
Posted by: Liz, IN | May 6, 2008, 11:51 pm 11:51 pm
I hope when everything is said and done that our country can support whoever is the new president – whether it’s Obama or Hillary or John. The country needs to heal, innovate and repair its relationships with the countries President Bush has alienated. All three of them have strengths and weaknesses. Regardless of our particular party at some point shouldn’t it be about America, not just about one group or one view?
The hatred, bickering and name-calling on these posts seems to mirror the behavior of the candidates and their campaigns. I long for a candidate who talks issues and about themselves instead of casting aspersions about their rivals.
I didn’t like this juvenile behavior in junior high and I certainly think we should be better than this now.
Posted by: LoveOthersNotJustYourself | May 6, 2008, 11:54 pm 11:54 pm
This election has put me under pressure and change my life style.
All my regular schedules has been ruined.
Just like DNC mess up this year.
Posted by: blue Irish | May 7, 2008, 12:03 am 12:03 am
Well, one way or another, by this time in 2012, we will know which of you was right.
I hope none of these candidates get hurt, shot, stabbed or killed. It takes a very cruel, evil person to wish death on any of these candidates. I don’t like President Bush’s policies, but I certainly wouldn’t wish him dead.
I hope you’re all paying close attention to your local and state elections. Those politicians are the ones that effect us on a daily basis – WAY more than the Washington politicians. In just one municipal meeting, you could lose your home due to re-zoning constraints, find a large shopping center is coming to your neighborhood, etc. and not be able to do anything about it.
We’ve got to be so careful not to be so passionate that we lose our ability to be compassionate and wise.
I’m hoping there are other level-headed Americans out there. Please speak up!
Posted by: Sad in NC | May 7, 2008, 12:05 am 12:05 am
Lisa, there are ONLY so many spots in college.
Each student is given points based on test scores and resume. One of those items is based on race…and points are given for being black.
That’s affirmative action.
Now read this slow since you can’t understand this! This is racism. It’s not racism to complain about unfair treatment.
My son will have to score HIGHER on his tests and have more valued experience on his resume to MAKE UP for the points given to an individual for JUST their COLOR! That is racism!
My son will have to score HIGHER on this test and have more experience on his resume than Obama’s daughters.
This affirmative action is racism. Not ME for complaining about it and voting against it!
Posted by: Nicholas | May 7, 2008, 12:06 am 12:06 am
Hey Lisa,
Barrack made a huge mistake and stole the votes tonight?
How can you back a thief?
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Posted by: Gail | May 7, 2008, 12:09 am 12:09 am
Shan,
I’m with Hillary.
Pls tell me what happen on Fox.
thanks.
Posted by: blue Irish | May 7, 2008, 12:10 am 12:10 am
Please somebody tell me how he steal the vote.
My cable broke down.
Should he drop out if like that?
Posted by: blue Irish | May 7, 2008, 12:15 am 12:15 am
LMAO hillary is done, woohoo
Posted by: ll | May 7, 2008, 12:32 am 12:32 am
@Shan,
Thanks a lot.
I tried to go online they did not report it.
No wonder, His number are keep raising.
Hopefully we still win.
Thanks again..
Go Hillary..
Posted by: blue Irish | May 7, 2008, 12:46 am 12:46 am
It has been 6 hours and one county next to Chicago still counting votes!
Obama stole Hillary’s votes!
I hope God will punish him!
Al gore should run for president after tonight i don’t see any Hillary supprter out there to back Obama!
I certainly ws going to vote for him but NO WAY not after tonight!
I will have to go for John McCain!
Posted by: Adam | May 7, 2008, 12:47 am 12:47 am
Shan,
Since this happened, I’m afraid the previous caucuses also they did the same thing?
Posted by: blue Irish | May 7, 2008, 12:49 am 12:49 am
This is the end of Obama campaign!
Obama stole votes!
It is all over the TV stations, radiao and all!
America can not trust this man!
I am NOT going to forget this and will start donating to the republican party from now on!
These people will do anything they can even may kill Hillary to get this nomination!
Posted by: THE END | May 7, 2008, 12:51 am 12:51 am
@ Blue Irish!
It is time to send a very strong message to DNC and Hillary!
Switch to independant and threaten them that you will vote for McCain!
If they are thieves than we should play cops!
Posted by: Shan | May 7, 2008, 12:53 am 12:53 am
Obama is a realy looser , he really stole the IN election!
This will be at internatioanl news as of tomorrow!
Posted by: Randy | May 7, 2008, 12:54 am 12:54 am
Change is not easy to accept. As a seasoned traveler around the world for the past 40 years, it is time for we Americans to take a good look as to how we are really perceived. We are not loved, mainly because we do not live up to our great creeds and documents.
It is interesting to note the hypocrisy of our stating that rules do not count?; are meant to be broken?; Little wonder that our youth are confused.
Thank God that I have seen more young people become motivated and involved in our political process and excited about the possibility of what America can be. Thank goodness, they took to heart the message of the most profound utterance on race of this decade,”A More Perfect Union” and many of them have now broken their long standing traditions and have joined black churches, white churches, temples, volunteers in inner city schools and libraries, integrated black schools and white schools, etc.
Many of these intelligent young people are tutoring at homeless shelters and have renovated homes that now house many of those who were in shelters.
While I usually do not keep up with these blogs, I do keep up with the positive change that I see and am a part of because of the audacity of hope offered by Senator Obama.
My hope is that more of you will get involved in your neighborhood to bring about the much needed change rather than just talking nonsense!
Posted by: IdaHere | May 7, 2008, 12:55 am 12:55 am
Are they that desprate?
I can not believe Obama people stole votes?
I will certainly won’t vote for him after this!
I don’t trust him anymore!
Posted by: Randy | May 7, 2008, 12:56 am 12:56 am
Shan,
My friends and all my family have been talking about it.
Let hillary runs as Independant and we will vote for her.
Especially 90% AA vote for him.
She will get independant voters and us.
If the DNC abandon her.
Looks like it right now, they don’t want to do anything.
Posted by: blue Irish | May 7, 2008, 1:02 am 1:02 am
Someday a whackjob will come out and shoot this MF?
Now he stole her votes!
Obama is asking problems!
Posted by: John | May 7, 2008, 1:02 am 1:02 am
Shanna if you really believe that then you are either uneducated or an idiot. How is he a theif.
Posted by: lulu | May 7, 2008, 1:04 am 1:04 am
No excuse for Obama people!
They have been counting votes to match with Hillary in IN!
That is why they did not release results!
Actually I thiunk those Obama supporters are uneduceted ,
Now even NN is pissed off!
It is suspicious!
I can not vote for a thief!
Posted by: Suzan | May 7, 2008, 1:05 am 1:05 am
@Randy,
Yes, I think they are desperate because this is primary and they want to end this race.
It just can not.
I hope DNC will take an action now.
Punish him.
Who plays the dirty politic now,,that’s him not Hillary.
Posted by: blue Irish | May 7, 2008, 1:06 am 1:06 am
No wonder his number are closing to Hillary’s.
Finally, somebody got caught.
Thank God.
Posted by: blue Irish | May 7, 2008, 1:10 am 1:10 am
Hillary supporters please come and join us John McCain is a better choice than this thief!
Posted by: Greg | May 7, 2008, 1:11 am 1:11 am
Lulu,
He is a thief. Don’t call people names.
Just watch the news.
Posted by: blue Irish | May 7, 2008, 1:12 am 1:12 am
ALL HILLARY SUPPORTERS!
Come and join us in November!
Vote for John McCain!
Obama is a corrupt politician , a thief!
John McCain in 2008!
Posted by: Greg | May 7, 2008, 1:13 am 1:13 am
I can ot support barrack after tonight!
I ahve no othet choice than voting for John McCain!
He stole 2% of Hillary’s votes!
Posted by: Ivan | May 7, 2008, 1:21 am 1:21 am
blue irish what names did I call anyone. Tell me please.
Posted by: lulu | May 7, 2008, 1:26 am 1:26 am
NO you are in denial LOL Please tell me how hillary will win
Posted by: lulu | May 7, 2008, 1:48 am 1:48 am
If Hillary or obama had already reached the majic number for the nomanation would the rest of the states not be counted like florida and mich.
kathy
Posted by: kathy | May 7, 2008, 2:08 am 2:08 am
Had Hillary Clinton been the candidate in 2000, Bush jr would never have been president.
Posted by: karegi | May 7, 2008, 6:16 am 6:16 am
The Courts have again ruled that the rules by which a political party nominates it’s Presidentian Nominee is left totally up to the Political Party.
The Democratic Party warned FLA and MI not to move the primaries ahead or they will penalize them by not seating any delegates at the convention, the republicans penalized the states by given them 1/2 a delegate and the Republicans campaigned in these states.The Democratic nominees all agreed (including Sen Clinton) that the delegates would not be seated. As an admirer of President Clinton, I am really disappointed that the Clinton campaign has resorted to backing out of aggreements between the other candidates, the Democratic party and themselves. Blatant disrespect for fairness, in the hopes of gaining the nomination, is a bad reflection on Sen Clinton’s integrity. Should we teach our kids to when at all cost, irrespective of the right or wrong or should we teach them the values of truth, justice and fairness. Think about it!
Posted by: wave06 | May 7, 2008, 8:06 am 8:06 am
We voted for Hillary. If she is not the winning our my vote. I just don’t trust Obama yet. Alternative bio fuel he kept saying, Obama have not give any solution of how he is going to solve it. Food price has gone sky high because of corn and soy bean been used for fuel. Hello, wakeup people of America..Tina
Posted by: Tina | May 7, 2008, 8:24 am 8:24 am
Politics in America seems to be going to hell in a hand-basket.
Personally, I would rather have someone in CHARGE that has the experience and a brain… WAKE UP AMERICA… the Reps want Hilary to lose so they can win another 4-8 yrs behind the reigns.
Did we as a country not learn anything after voting “BUSH” in for 8 long years.
How can people vote for someone with a very short history in politics? That to me is crazy and extremely risky.
This country is in a major crisis…we need someone in there that knows how to play the game….
GO HILARY…. Save this sorry country!!
Posted by: SlySonya | May 7, 2008, 11:16 am 11:16 am
We need some clear-headed thinking if we democrats are going to win the general election. Barack Obama has little to no experience to qualify him for the presidency. Realistically, with his limited experience, would he have much of a chance of being selected as a CEO of a major American corporation? Why then with this limited experience do some think he is qualified to be President of the nation? Do we demand less experience of the President of the nation than a CEO of one of the nation’s business entities? Or do we think that on-the-job training will somehow prepare him for the position within a few months of taking office? By attempting to make this major leap from a first term senator to the presidency, Barack is stretching the political envelope too strenuously too fast, and failure will set the clock back on the political aspirations of black Americans for generations. It is a big big gamble! Barack should settle this time around for the vice presidency or some major position in a democratic administration, and when he has demonstrated his skills and grown in political wisdom and stature, he will be better prepared to serve his country as President and Commander in Chief. As of now it seems to me that most voters, when the chips are on the table in the November elections, will not select Barack Obama. Most voters will see it as too big a gamble, too great a risk, and opt for the lesser of two evils, and cast their lot with a grey-haired known entity rather than an untried and unknown entity no matter how well spoken. Democrats and super-delegates must take a long hard look at this probability and act in the best interest of all Americans.
Posted by: Arnold J. Meagher | May 8, 2008, 8:45 am 8:45 am