Hillary Clinton’s Electoral Map Argument

No matter how hard she tries, no superdelegates are going to be so foolish as to completely ignore the primary results and simply hand her the nomination because she says she has a better chance of winning in the fall.
Al Gore could win – why not nominate him? It’s a silly argument born out of desperation and a rampant desire to do anything to win this thing.
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That’s right – rather than take the high road and behave like someone of her stature should – she wants to keep playing republican tatics. SSDD- same S*&t different day

Any other candidate in Hillary Clinton’s position would be getting no attention.
She has ZERO chance to win the nomination.
She is behind by 171 pledged delegates and Obama is surging past her in superdelegates and Edwards delegates in south carolina are about to endorse him.
THIS NOMINATION IS OVER.
Why is the media covering her candidacy when she has no chance at the nomination.
Lets move on to the general election already.
Hillary is in massive debt stop encouraging her to waste money which Obama will eventually have to get his donors to pay.

OK Trolls – please go AWAY!
I’ve searched timesonline, used Google, and have even done full searches of 6 different news sites.
Guess what? There’s absolutely no reference to OBAMA or anyone else working in his campaign ever having had ANY contact with or other association with Hamas or any other terrorist organization.
You guys are pathetic. Did McCain hire you?

Hillary is staying in until the end of the primaries. Give her a hard time if you want, but she has legitimate reasons.
She promised all her supporters, fundraiser, and women everywhere she would battle to the end.
She will continue to point out her strengths, which include the electorial map, blue collar white vote, women etc….
These are legitimate public issues we already know that isnt going to hurt Obama anymore than it already has.
She will fight on because there is only 3 weeks left and she is not a quitter.
She knows she cant win, but is expanding the base by registration.
I think the super delegates should have come out after North Carolina or kept quiet until after june 3rd.
Not this 1/2 baked way of sort of coming out, harassing clinton to get out, but yet Obama hasnt won yet.
That is just stupid.

Peggy
absolutely right because Obama will resign from the senate shortly therefore he wont have a job when he loses the GE not hat he has done any work in the senate since 2005

Trung
NO you cant and you better not try to!

What’s the matter, guys – afraid a woman might just become the president of the United States? For goodness sakes, give her a fair chance to see what she can do and give the little people like me a chance to cast my vote to. Hilary knows how to roll with the punches and get up and fight for what she wants. If she was president she would fight for us too…Gail from Arizona

Bill
yea it was movon.orgg that screwed it up for kerry in 2004 and they have been spending so much just on ideological grounds and saying that anyone that disagrees with Obama and the Obamabots are racists is ludicrous I will vote for Mcaiin or a third party and fix his little red wagon!

Clinton is the only one who will be able to defeat McCain in November. Obama is promises while she offers solutions. Also, Obama listens to the ranting of a pastor for 20 years against America while Oprah had enough sense to leave Wright’s church after a few short years. Who do you really want to be in the White House?

While there will be fall out from those Clinton supporters who truly don’t have the best interest of the party at heart, the majority will support Obama. Saying that just because she won certain states has never been used before because it just won’t hold water.
This is a last ditch effort for her to try to show someone..anyone…that she still has a chance.
Sooner or later I hope someone can get her to deal with reality.

its all DOnna Braziles fault she basically called paul begala a racist and threatened to vote for mccain because shes wealthy…. thats the whole party divide here rich elitist supers want the most liberal candidate available when Clinton can win over a broader coalition I wont stand for it!

Rob
it will not just be elected delegates Clinton peopel will fight if Obama has more elected delegates and Clinton has more popular votes which will happen that means the caucuses were a sham!

weallcanplaythisgame
call us when you ever make any sense!

George
you are goignto have to wait till the convention she will not quit and if by some chance she gets the nomination you will accept it!

Why are people so upset about Hamas? These are legitimate people. Rev Wright was right about whites in america. All Clinton supporters think about are Jews. Jews are idiots. They should have been exterminated. Rev Wright was right .

Rob
Hamas is ten times worse than ayers wright etc but they were not just about race you think you are so smart by getting black vote out in NC but NC wont matter in the GE its not about racism its about electability in which Obama will lose the GE period!

Yea go girl
Poor old McCain is 72 and his wife wont give him any Money,
He can’t get a job working for the goverment (he too old)
So Please Hillary keep it up so old Jonny can get a job as President.
He is doing it because he needs the money.

Only people that still can vote in the primary are allowed to commit!
The rest of you don’t count so butt out

an you believe all these republicans and their spin and racist statement and lies!!!
They must really be afraid of Obama and Hillary.

I am afraid of myself. I have thoughts of touching Obama at night.

perhaps democrats should look at policy rather than a beauty contest anyway contrary to the Hillary stereotypes I think she looks emininently less frightening than Obama!

I know I am talking to a wall here but the Supreme Court is a very serious issue. And it’s not just about abortion. This is not politics of fear it is the real thing. Are you really that naive that you don’t think conservative judges could change this country. It won’t take years if it is a conservative court. Earth to Calli, some will be retiring soon and then we are in deep trouble if McCain is the pres.

All I want is rights for gay americans. I was kicked out of the army for giving my captain oral.
Whats wrong with a little oral between friends ?
Obama 08

Djh
thats hillarious Slavery was nothing like the Hollocaust african americans were mistreated but not esterminated liek the jews and Im not even jewish …. your Obama arguments are as aways way off base and lacking in facts Hillary will not get out and you will fight her at the convention and if she wins you will accept it!

My husband is Native American now there they were other up until a few years ago he thinks we should all go the hell home haha

Obama’s Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse:
WAR Bill “the bomber, anti-American” Ayers
PESTILENCE Michelle “the racist, anti-American” Obama
FAMINE Tony “the crook” Rezko
DEATH Jeremiah “the racist, anti-American” Wright
The fifth horsemen could well be the terrorist group Hamas.

Davis
you embicile… its not over and you know it if you cant accept that Hillary will not drop out then go away

Tomdavie
the Congressman that endorsed Hillary after tuesdays primaries was my congressman heath shuler he is pro life while Im on the fence about that issue the party has every right to have all voices heard not the extreme left THe Kennedys have been looking for payback for several decades now and the entire party shouldnt give into them I think Hillary can win as an independant but I will personally guarantee that Obama will not be elected president

Rasmussen Reports has been tracking the race for the Democratic Presidential nomination daily for nineteen months… since November 2006. For the last few months, the most remarkable feature of the race has been its consistency and stability. Senators Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton are both running historic campaigns and both have captured the votes and hearts of distinct and important constituencies within the Democratic Party. Obama has won Primaries in states where the demographics favor his campaign and Clinton has won in the states that favor her campaign.
However, while Senator Clinton has remained close and competitive in every meaningful measure, she is a close second and the race is over. It has become clear that Barack Obama will be the Democratic nominee.
At the moment, Senator Clinton’s team is busily trying to convince Superdelegates and pundits that she is more electable than Barack Obama. For reasons discussed in a separate article, it doesn’t matter. Even if every single Superdelegate was convinced that the former First Lady is somewhat more electable than Obama, that is not enough of a reason to deny him the nomination.
With this in mind, Rasmussen Reports will soon end our daily tracking of the Democratic race and focus exclusively on the general election competition between Republican John McCain and Democrat Barack Obama. Barring something totally unforeseen, that is the choice American voters will have before them in November. While we have not firmly decided upon a final day for tracking the Democratic race, it is coming soon.
Obama 08

I really think it is funny that they would use Roe v wade on democrats with a pi–ed of congress how much do you think McCain could get passed.Iam not giving up on Hillary and I am telling anyone who will listen about a bunch of us have Hillary and MCCain bumper stickers on our cars

If Hillary is not the nominee, Obama still will not get my vote, and will leave this party as well,even if Hillary shares the ticket with Obama or try to help unite this party around Obama, I will be through with this gender-biased party for good.
Obama is not tobe trusted, I guess the Obama supporters wil realize this when it’s too late to turn things around, but if thngs don’t go your way if Obama becomes President, don’t hollier Impeachment take his mess like adult and be quite, just role with the punches for allowing yourself to be duped by an smooth talking slickster like Obama. I hope this party learn it’s lesson for being irresponsible by voting for a Johnny Come Lately Senator to fix the mes that needs the experience of an real seasoned Presidential cnadidate like Hillary.
Hillary, never quit never give-up let Obama earn every vote, just don’t hand Obama the nomination, because he does not deserve it. Run Independent if you have to, please don’t stick witha party who’s members that throw an experienced candidate under the bus for a inexperienced candidate who preaches flase hope and change, and a party who don’t think women are qualfied enough to be President and are biased agaisnt women being President this is discriminatory in nature, Hillary, you don’t deserve or need to be in a party like that.

Just read a blog that said that the Obama campaign had several people in and around the courthouse where Rezko trial was being held. This trial will be over soon and there are those who think that Rezko will start talking about the Rezko/Obama connection and why the Rezko paid $625,000 for property to help the Obama save $2oo,ooo on their South Chicago mansion. Should Senator Oboma be worried and why???
Many think that Senator Obama is flawed goods, Rev Wright, his Black Liberation Church, Bill Ayers, Tony Rezko and terror group support. He will not win in November.

LOSERS CLUB
============
1.McGovern [1972]
2.Carter [1980]-2nd term loser.
3.Mondale [1984].
4.Dukakis [1988].
5.Gore [2000].
6.Kerry [2004].
7.Obama [2008].NEW MEMBER.
No left wing liberal ever won the white
house………
JOHN McCAIN ’08

I am pro life unless its medical life or death . I am also a democrat but I change to independent and I must confess I voted for Reagan his first term

@ Nicholas,
Actually, Carter was left-wing. He’s not nearly as “latte left” as the rest of the gang- Kennedy, Leahy, Pelosi, Dean. Nevertheless, he was rather left, so to speak. Gore is somewhat moderate. The rest of the latte’s: McGovern, Mondale, Dukakis, Kerry represent the losers club. Cater became a loser while in office. After Bill Clinton served two economically successful terms (the first dem to do it since FDR), the latte’s went on a frenzied mission to regain power. And, you’re absolutely right, they’ve chosen yet another loser for the club-Obama.

I had no idea how many radicals and freaks there was in the party until Obama showed up.
This is what happens when you let the far left loose . They think anyone who isnt a far left liberal is wrong.
I was too young to remember the 1976 election, but I can tell you Carter barely won and then got crushed in 1980.
Kennedy was elected in 1960, shot in 63, and LBJ, a conservative democrat, served until 68.
Then the fiasco with liberals went on thru Mc Govern , thru Carter, until Clinton came along.
Liberal rarely get into power, and when they do, they have IDIOT administrations and are shot or kicked out immediately.

Emily
you are absolutely right! I refuse to be embarrassed again by the pelosi-leahy-kennedy-dean part of the latte liberal democratic side I mean c’mon why doesnt Obama declare victoruy now and chose Bernie Sanders as a running mate it would be the latte liberal democratic socialist party

I had no idea how many radicals and freaks there was in the party until Obama showed up.
This is what happens when you let the far left loose . They think anyone who isnt a far left liberal is wrong.
I was too young to remember the 1976 election, but I can tell you Carter barely won and then got crushed in 1980.
Kennedy was elected in 1960, shot in 63, and LBJ, a conservative democrat, served until 68.
Then the fiasco with liberals went on thru Mc Govern , thru Carter, until Clinton came along.
Liberal rarely get into power, and when they do, they have IDIOT administrations and are shot or kicked out immediately.

“STOLEN PRIMARIES AND CAUCUSES”
CAUCUSES ARE THE BIGGEST FRAUD.
DEMOCRATIC RULES CHOOSING
A CANDIDATE ARE VERY UN-DEMOCRATIC..
DEAN,PELOSI ARE YOU LISTENING??????
AMERICANS WILL NOT VOTE FOR OBAMA.
JOHN McCAIN ’08

Goldenstate,
I’m with Hillary also.
I don’t know about the rule, if her name is not on the ballot.
I’m afraid they would count it to Obama?
You better ask around.
I’d stay home unless she runs as Independent, I will vote for her.

What came as a big suprise to me was the way they split the Del. up who knew what a messed up cluster##### How can you win big states and get more votes and not ge more Del

Tomdavie
my brother took me to my first poltical rally in 1980 with Jimmy carter I was 11 then now he is adamant about havign Obama so that tells you alot of things .. he still has a tshirt that says “Only JC can save the world” with a picture of Carter over Christs face:)

Nicholas,
Hi. This is Howard Dean and Nancy Pelosi. Yes we are listening, especially to you. Thanks for your post. I think that will go down in history as the most influential post in American history. And you know what, you’re right! We’ve decided to vote for McCain too…all because of your well reasoned and level-headed argument. We probably would not have even heard your post had it not been for your use of caps lock and the 5 extra question marks you inserted after your question. I’m sure McCain is proud to have you representing him. Thanks for enlightening us all.
truly,
Howard and Nancy

My father took me to see JFK when I was six and I don,t think Obama comes anywhere close.

Hillary’s goal is to make Obama lose it for the Dems so she can run again in 2012. Another reason Republicans love her.

Marjorie
I would agree with that I just like fights and it is well and just that Clinton is making it as hard as possible on the far left.. and she still does have an outside chance of winning and Bill clinton won in 1992 with less than a plurality so it can happen as an independant

Simply fact: Obama can’t win without Clinton’s help…
Obama is too arrogant to ask Clinton for help since he claims: yes we can….
Obama has no way to unite Dems behind him because a lot of Dems think he is the least qualified candidate to lead the country…

The more Clinton speaks, the more irrelevant she becomes.

Obama’s goal is to destroy the Democratic party. As it stands Hillary wins the electoral college against McCain, Obama loses. Yet this elitist snob will disenfranchise two entire states, smear Hillary, smear small town voters, smear the first female Vice Presidential candidate, smear ‘typical white people’, and yes even go so far as to throw his grandmother under the bus all to get himself the losing nomination.

@Emily
Thats a good story…the best preserved and most interesting library and house/museum I ever went to was Harry Trumans in MO.. it was actually Bess’ house that she lived in when she was younger but they kept that one

Staniam,Emily,Bishop,Nicholas,You guys still there?
I have a question.
All the media since yesterday have been telling viewers that the race is over, Hillary is going to lose.
I’m afraid Hillary supporters will not vote for her anymore because we still have 6 contests.
what do you think?
Thanks

Hillary can still win

staniam
Good you are still awake…
To me the most exciting battle just began…
Hillary will win large margin in WV and KY, then put herself on the top of popular vote with FL and MI counted…
It will turn pressure to DNC and SD to follow the people’s will…
If DNC doesn’t count MI and FL, it will totally jeoperdize Dems’ chance to win MI and FL and Dems is no way to win back W.H….
So DNC has to count MI and FL votes and Hillary will have chance to be nominee if she is able to win WV and KY in a big margin….
Bottom line is: Dems can’t win back W.H. without Clinton’s help – that is the Ace in Clintons…..
If Obama is smart enough, he should know what to do….

Staniam,
I can understand completely whatever you post.
No big deal, just ignore it.

True Truth
yea and that would be for him to be magnanimous and drop out of the race in return for the vp slot but Obama has proven that he cant be that way

Have any of you ever been polled

@ staniam:
You’ve been everywhere! Each time I chat with you, you have another cool story about another city or state to which you’ve travelled. Can I be you?

Emily,
Yes, I thought about it so.
Hopefully they even have more efforts to vote for her.
Thanks Emily.
I’m going to signoff…
Have a nice weekend all of you..

DEAN,PELOSI!!!!!!!!!
Did you forget about the 270
electoral votes?????????
You know the “electoral college”.
Your boy Hussein Obama lost all the
big states in the union such as:
New York
New Jersey
California
Texas
Ohio
Pennsylvania
Indiana.
I’m just curious how many “electoral
votes he[your boy Hussein] can get in
general elections??????
Please….can you do the math?????
JOHN McCAIN ’08

Cici
I thought of handing a petition to Clinton or someone ont he staff something has to be done the media is throwing her under the bus simply because they benefit more from advertising to Obama people

Djh
but their attitudes are 180 degrees different and thats not acceptable!

Emily
thats my dilemma exactly

I don’t know if I could vote if she was to take the vp spot

djh
Once you have been around for many election cycles, it turns out that what these turkeys say in their ‘policies’ have nothing to do with the reality of what they will actually achieve, or more importantly who they really are as people.
Just 2 years ago, the democrats took the senate PROMISING to end the war in Iraq.
In 2006, housing was STRONG, the economy was GREAT.
Now look at it.
Now they blame the fact they couldnt get anything done on the president vetoing everything.
Gee……..they didnt know the president had VETO power before?
The democratic congress has a LOWER approval rating than Bush does, and in fact the 2 years they have had in power has been a total exersise in futility.
Constant bickering back and forth. Nothing gets done.
Its 2008, and the country is in recession, oil is 128 bucks a barrell, they have done nothing about the housing crisis until just the other day, and on top of all this , the WAR THAT THEY PROMISED TO END still rages.
So give me a break about the ‘campaign promises’ .
What i believe is this. John Mc Cain will get MORE DONE than Obama because he is totally inexperienced and will make too many foolish mistakes.

I don’t get the far-left anti-Obama argument coming from Hillary people. Hillary has an extraordinarily liberal voting record until the point that she started jockeying herself into a position to run for president. If anything, one could argue that her move toward center is disingenuous.

I GUESS THAT OBAMA-CLINTON TICKET IS THE BEST WAY FORWARD. BOTH OF THEM HAVE RUN A REMARKABLE CAMPAIGN.

Carlasue
I totally agree he needs to offer it to hillary. But his handlers, Kerry Kennedy and Pelosi want a LIBERAL party.
They dont want moderates in there. They want the Clintons cutting their grass.
So they can lose us to john Mc Cain. Period.

Bill and Hillary Clinton are NOT liberals. Its how you DEFINE liberal.
Clinton is big on universal healthcare.
Besides that, she isnt liberal.
Thats how Bill Clinton won the white house twice. He was a centerist.

Emily.
No,I WILL NOT VOTE IF HILLARY AND HUSSEIN ARE IN THE SAME TICKET.
It doesn’t matter who’s on the top of the ticket
Hussein makes me sick…….

@ Nicholas:
My most profound hope is that none of us will ever have to make a decision like that… Whether or not to vote for a ticket with Hillary as VP, rather than on top of the ticket where she belongs. That’s my hope, but if it does come to pass, I can’t vote for Obama, no matter what.

Obama sold his soul to Kennedy and Kerry does any one remember the dancing Bear post.

Hi Carla Sue. We thank you dad for his service to the country.

Emily.
I will vote for Hillary with a mainstream white democrat on the ticket but NOT Hussein.
Hussein makes me sick…

I have to agree with CarlaSue on this one.
There does seem to be a real double standard. I dont see Al Sharpton jumping up and down and getting arrested when a white guy is shot down by a black guy.
And slavery ended 150 years ago folks. Using it as a GUILT CARD doesnt wash with americans. It turns us off .
Its also not 1968 anymore either. Civil rights has been a reality for 40 years.
Rev Wright actually did do one thing that I suspected thru watching Sharpton and Jesse Jackson all along.
There is far more racism amongst BLACK people than we thought possible considering its 2008.

tomdavie, excluding some of those talking points you took off television, not grounded in fact… So what? He’s liberal??? Bush was conservative and spent every dime America had, now we owe money to China and Mexico. How embarrashing is that? I’ll take liberal any day if it’s going to bring back our economy. Also you did not pay close attention to the debates, obama said he WOULD meet with foreign leaders with conditions. FYI, we are no longer considered the prize jewel, we need to stay out of foreign countries who do not want us coming in trying to make Americans out of them, especially if it makes us what we are now, broke and looking foolish.

carlasue, it’s not you fault something happened 400 years ago right?? Let the blue colar man prevail right? How about let all americans come together to lift up our country? You do have a problem. Reality check, Hillary doesn’t want the VP spot. Obama will pick a white male who is respected and powerful. Hillary’s ego is too big.

risabove.
Being govenor in arkansas paid $5.50 per hour back in those days. Bill and hillary didnt have a lot of money until they left the white house.
Both Bill and Hillary grew up middle class and lower middle class.
If Bill and Hillary were 25, they would be Obama supporters.
They started out as ultra hip Mc Govern supporters and slowly became more mainstream ever since.
In fact, the only other time they lost an election before was in 1980 because Bill was still a liberal and got crushed by the reagan revolution.
So bill came back in 82 and became the ORIGINAL Reagan Democrat. He moved to the center and won his job back.
They are even more mainstream now than when they left the whitehouse.
They never were Carter type Liberals . Not since Carter was in office anyways.
They are fairly middle democrats. I wouldnt say they were ever conservative democrats.
I am a conservative democrat. I believe in the 10th amendment of state rights. I dont believe in abortion nor a welfare state.
I do believe in universal heathcare the same way as we fund education. And I believe in market controls.

Stanium, it’s over for Hillary, she lost the nomination. She cannot come back and Washington is circling around Obama. He will select a running mate with strong rural ties and he will be the next president. Obama has hinted that he will help her fundraise to recoup her personal loans made to her campaign. That is extremely gracious of him seeing that she threw the kitchen sink at him.

The Democratic Party is a disgrace this year. If the so-called Super delegates want to totally destroy the Party, then go ahead and nominate Obama. This is one Democrat who can’t wait to see Obama and the Democratic Party lose in November. I am in favor of getting rid of Peloski and Reid by voting out my Democratic Congressman and Senators. Maybe by 2012 under new leadership, the Democratic Party can become the Party that People can be proud of again.

Katzooks.
Clinton isnt trying to do anything but be loyal to her supporters. This is a Yale Law school graduate. She wanted to be president desperately.
She did whatever she had to . She did what Obama would have done if the roles were reversed.
Now all she is doing is finishing the races with passion. She is fighting for Florida and Michigan, knowing full well they will NEVER give her the recorded vote in delegates. Its not fair to Obama.
She is finishing what she has started. Nothing that Clinton has said or done has hurt Obama.
Rev Wright hurt Obama. His bitter comments hurt Obama. His left wing associations hurt Obama.
His lack of experience is public knowledge.It aint some DIRT Clinton dug up.
Anyone who thinks Clinton was ‘dirty’ to Obama hasnt been around too many campaigns.
Its 3 weeks away from the end. Let her finish the contest. Let her go out pounding her fist and giving it her all.
This is whats really going on. Showing her voters that she fought to the end.
Nothing she is doing now is new stuff or is untrue or hasnt been public .
but………
Once she is out, if Obama DOESNT offer her the VP spot, the party is in trouble.
She may reject it, but if Obama doesnt offer it to her, he is going to have to spend a BOATLOAD of money and resources trying to get women, blue collar workers and latino’s on his side.

Katzooks.
I guess I need to be blunt.
Hillary has no real way to beat Obama. There arent enough states left for her to catch up.
He outspends her 3 and 4 to 1. Its virtually impossible.
She does have an obligation to her major fundraisers to finish what she started.
Dont forget she is also the first WOMAN to even run . Obama is the third african american to ever run.
The last thing she wants to show the ‘old boys club’ or future women candidates is that she is a QUITTER.
(notice how Pelosi encouraged her to keep going?)
This includes seating michigan and florida.
You see, there are many things that go on behind the scenes that have nothing to do with what the media is feeding you or even the candidate is feeding you.
Clinton is also boosting voter registration in these states because they still THINK it matters. This is HUGELY important to democrats.
She is also helping the dems by WHINING about Michigan and Florida to get them seated. Trust me , we in Florida appreciate her making it an issue.
Its when people IGNORANTLY think a candidate is doing this or that on some bogus surface level logic.
Dont worry about Obama. He is camped out in Oregon waiting to win there.
He is basically conceding Kentucky and West Virginia to Clinton and concentrating on Mc Cain.

Earl. I am so glad you and your buddies would vote for Clinton.
Exit polls say 70% of you would. Why? You are on the far left and have nowhere to go but to clinton.
However, we clinton supporters dont support Obama. 50% of us.
Perhaps you can get Clyburn to tell us all to CHILL .
Perhaps you can get Al Sharpton or Obama surrogates to call us all RACISTS if we dont support the guy.
All that voter registration was because the democratic race was MORE INTERESTING than the republican one.
It certainly doesnt mean they will vote democratic in the fall. Or vote at all if they find the race boring.
I would much rather prefer Mc Cain to Obama. I want nothing to do with a LIBERAL democratic party.

Which Democratic candidate is more electable?
Consider this:
This is how the Electoral College stands as of May 10, 2008, showing strengths of Clinton vs. Obama, based on their results.
This assumes a winner-take-all primary/caucus vote takes all Electoral votes for each state. The totals immediately below are WITHOUT any consideration of the states of Florida and Michigan.
Clinton 261
Obama 181
But with Florida and Michigan:
Clinton 305
Obama 181
Assuming the following victories, based on current polls, with Clinton winning Indiana, West Virginia, Kentucky, and Obama winning North Carolina, South Dakota, Oregon (which is doubtful), and Montana, the totals would then be, still without Florida and Michigan:
Clinton 285
Obama 209
Even with a victory for Obama in Indiana, the totals would be, still without Florida and Michigan:
Clinton 274
Obama 220
Please note that it takes 270 Electoral College votes to win the General Election.
Whether or not the vote turns out as indicated, I firmly believe the above analysis more than amply demonstrates which of the Democratic candidates is in a better position to be the stronger candidate in the General Election.

Latte Democrats supporting Obama now will face a major and unpleasant surprise in November when McCain wins.
Sorry, but the only way for the Democrats to lose the White House this year is to nominate the weakest candidate, i.e. Senator Obama.
Quietly supported with votes and money by Republicans and as inexperienced and unvetted as he is, the “Second-Coming” Big Uniter will end up being the biggest loser and divider in the recent US history.
How come Democrats have not learnt the lesson from Kerry, Dukakis, McGovern’s losses??
How come they do not understand that even Massachusetts – yes, Massachusetts – can go for McCain in Novemeber?

Just because most of the Dem Party will stick with Obama, doesn’t mean he’ll get the swing states and independents. McCain will be the next president. I’ve spoken with so many Hillary supporters who are voting for McCain. Obama can’t win. All the same, it will have nice for the country that he came so close. I’m sincere about this. I think his efforts and speaches will matter for something for a lot of people long after this race is over. It’s just too bad he couldn’t master the details and offer some solutions that resonate with most of the working class.

Many of these people thats putting up silly charts comparing how Hillary and Obama do in these states ,
Can you get it through your THICK SKULL that Barack will NOT be running against OTHER democrat voters come November.
mike 40
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If you are referring to my “chart”, it only addresses the strength of each candidate based on past performance and projects an end result, giving Obama the benefit of the doubt. Facts are facts, like them or not. Sometimes the truth hurts, doesn’t it!

If gas is $4.00 a gallon, If the Iraq war is still going bad, If President Bush’s approval rating is at 30%, Who really cares if McCain is too old, whether he voted for Clinton or not, whether he can’t tell sunni from Shia, Whether or not Reverend Wright or Ayers will hurt Obama, whether we care if Clinton came under fire in Bosnia, The people will want CHANGE!!!!

Hillary will win. I am disgusted, however, to see how the Republican owned media has worked very hard to squash Hillary and how they got the dumber Dems to vote for Obama, who could never win the US Presidency! It’s either Hillary or it’s McCain people but the Republicans did a great job of making you think Obama ever had a chance.

Clinton is campaigning in Louisville for an election in a state won by Republicans and which has few delegates. So what?
The real battle is in the hearts of Howard Dean and Nancy Pelosi. They will decide May 30th how to seat the Mich and Florida delegates with their 250 votes.
May 30th the election is decided, behind closed doors. My guess is that democracy and the rules of the election as it was from the beginning will prevail and Obama will be the winner. Howard Dean’s people have the deciding votes.
No one in their right mind would call an election with only one candidate an election (outside of Russia). After this, Michigan has to agree to be in April the week before Penn, from now on.
NH, a very very small state, must be first so that any person, no matter if they are rich or not, famous or not, may campaign and be heard in the five smalls towns in the state. Having MICH + Florida with its 35 million people, on the first week, would mean only the very rich and very famous could run.
Dems will not allow that, ever.

McCain is waiting until May 20th to put out his heath report. It was due on April 15th? Why the delay?
And if it does not include a comparison of his short term memory to the short term memory of the cadets in the current class at the Naval academy, why bother telling us he is physically ok? We dont care if he can hike.
We want to know if he can remember who, what and where. If he has short term memory loss now, is Alzheimer’s far from now? One Ron Reagan was enough. We learned our lesson. A full health report means neurological and psychological and includes short term memory stated in terms of healthy normal adults and not compared to other 70 yr olds.
I dont care if he is normal compared to men of his age.

I am from Ohio and Ted Strickland as a VP nominee will not only lose his Governorship, Ohioans will not go for the ticket just because he is in the VP role. He may find himself without a job! Dream on people, I think Strickland is smart enough to not go for that. He is a true Hillary supporter along with several up and coming political players in Ohio. Strickland shares more of Hillary’s views and not Obama. He is also from Southern Ohio which has a huge republican base — John Bohner and Rob Portman — many have supported Ted Strickland because he is a moderate like Hillary. Joining hands with a liberal will be a bad match and bad for Strickland.

If Hillary does not get the nomination, I will vote like many for McCain. Here is why: Hillary’s promise to reduce spending and balance the federal budget is more like McCain’s.
from McCain’s website)
John McCain Has The Leadership And Courage To Make The Right Spending Choices. Reduced spending means making choices. John McCain will not leave office without balancing the federal budget. He will not do it with smoke and mirrors. When he leaves office, he wants to leave a budget that stays balanced after he is gone, and can weather the occasional downturn and unexpected contingency. John McCain will provide the courageous leadership necessary to control spending, including:
* Eliminate Broken Government Programs. The federal government itself admits that one in five programs do not perform.
* Reform Our Civil Service System To Promote Accountability And Good Performance In Our Federal Workforce.
* Eliminating Earmarks, Wasteful Subsidies And Pork-Barrel Spending.
* Reform Procurement Programs And Cut Wasteful Spending In Defense And Non-Defense Programs.
These reasons alone are enough for McCain to have my support. Obama has no vision for America and I cannot in my right mind support that even though I am a democrat!

Actually, her argument is valid. The African American vote which brought Obama over the top in the dem primaries will not work for him in the general election. (As AA’s only make up 12% of teh general pop, but about 50% of teh dem party) Added, Obama is considered Far Left wing due to his radical associations, which in the democratic party may make him a cult hero, but in teh general election will just make him a loser. On top of all that you have Mc Cain, who is considered too liberal to be a republican, and he will likely pick up many of the “middle” votes (the largest demographic).

Given that Hillary won’t be on the ballot, she won’t have a chance of getting to 270 electoral votes. I get a bit tired of the argument Hillary is making here. She assumes that primary results have some bearing on general election votes. Actually it seems that Obama has a better chance than Hillary of securing some previously solid GOP states, take Virginia or North Carolina as examples of states Obama has a better chance than Hillary in, whilst most ‘blue’ states will stay in the Democratic Part column whoever has the nomination.
At the end of the day, IMO the message if the 2008 primary elections for the Democratic party nomination have in the end been a contrast between the Democratic Party of 1992-2004, scraping by with the electoral math, and the 2006 50- state strategy Democratic PArty. Despite what Kentuckians might believe, Obama has fought for almost every state available, Clinton has worked to a strategy and failed.

May has been a sad month for Democrats. We have one candidate who cannot be nominated. And then we have Obama, who is unelectable.
That will change in June, when we’re left with just the unelectable candidate. Patience, my friends.

Attention To all Strong Hillary Supporters From DarrellP
Hillary should not quit this race just to make the gender-biased media or the Obama’s campaign and supporters happy. Obama is not experienced enough to be President, the only reason Obama is ahead is because some of the Republicans crossed over in some primaries to help Obama become the nominee to make it easier for McCain to win the general election, when that time comes if Obama is the nominee, these same Republicans and Independents will go back to party lines and vote for McCain, So in the long-term, Obama has not gained anything but a sure lose to McCain, because after The Republican Swift boat Machine get through with him, he’d wish he stepped down and gave the nomination to a more experienced candidate like Hillary, the Swift boaters will eat Novice Obama alive, causing us to lose the General election for sure, at least we have a better chance with Hillary bringing home the Presidency for our party.
I’m suggesting that all Hillary supporters not untie behind Obama or the DNC if Hillary is not the nominee, because the way she was biasly and unfairly treated by the gender-biased media and the Obama campaign, All Hillary supporters at that time should either stay home, vote for Hillary as a write-in Candidate, vote for McCain, or Nader, this is to protest the DNC, the media, and Obama’s campaign for not being fair and balanced towards Hillary, if she lost fair and square.
I would not be calling on all Hillary supporters to do everything they can in the general election to help block Obama’s Presidency, but since they did not want to play fair, we should not unite the party around Obama who’s truly not prepared to take on this office and be able to clean-up and fix the mess Bush will leave behind, Hillary is prepared now to step up to the plate, and start tuning this country around on Day One of her Presidency as oppose to Obama who needs a lot of on the job training before he could even start doing the duties of the President.
Obama should be the one to step down and let someone with experience and know-how like Hillary to fix America’s ills, and then in four more years, Maybe gave Obama a chance to continue fixing and enhancing what Hillary has done in her 4 or eight year term to turn this country in the right direction, Obama is still very young, so he would have his chance to be President again, but for now Obama needs more time in the Senate in order to strengthen his skills in Congress and then win for President after he’s gained a little more experience.
I hope all Hillary Supporters follow my lead, if Obama get’s the nomination, try and block his Presidency and vote for Hillary as an Write-in Candidate, or stay home in protest of the DNC throwing Hillary under the Bus to nominate in experienced candidate than Hillary, I’m also considering also leaving this party and going Independent if Hillary does not get the nomination, I just can’t back a candidate who I don’t trust or have confidence in to do the job of uniting and fixing the mess Bush will leave behind, I hope other strong Hillary supporters will follow my lead, no uniting this party around Obama or the DNC, go Independent if you have to like I will if Hillary quits, forced, or pressured out of this race. Al of people are still having a problem with women trying to become President in this country, the glass ceiling is still present when it comes to a woman trying to run for this office, So voters and the DNC – Leadership and some lawmaker’s in Congress would rather put up a inexperienced male candidate over an experienced woman candidate to be President what a shame, well I will not support it, I’m voting based on experience not race or gender, Hillary meets that standard and criteria now.
Go Hillary!! Never give-up, never quit, fight until this nomination process is decided by the Super delegates, because you or Obama can’t win the nomination without the Super delegates approval, and let the chips fall where they may. I still think you can win the nomination at the DNC Convention, don’t get discouraged a lot of supporters are behind you and have your back, this Presidency is worth staying in the race at all cost, because the stacks are to high just to turn the nomination over to a novice Senator Obama, who has a less of a chance of beating McCain than you do, you will give McCain a run for his money.
If Hillary quits the race and start campaigning for Obama, Obama still will not get my vote, I hope other Hillary Supporters follow my lead on this as well, this party should not be united at Hillary’s expense, because true and strong Hillary Supporters will vote for McCain before they elect a fake, imposter like Obama, I hope Obama’s Supporters will see Oba ma for who he really is before it’s too late, I encourage Hillary Supporters to let Obama use his own supporters to get him elected, not ours, we should be forming an Independent Party and running against Obama and McCain to put Hillary in the White House because she’s stronger than both candidates put together. Hillary is too experienced to be Obama’s VP and I hope Obama don’t ask Hillary to help him get the Presidency or accept his VP offer if extended to her and vice-versa , I hope Hillary does not volunteer to campaign for him as well. Obama will be a snake and try to take credit for all of Hillary’s ideas, Obama has done this throughout the campaign, because he stole some of Hillary’s ideas and reworded them a little to me them look like his own, that’s why his campaign platform, resembles Hillary’s because Obama really his no ideas of his own, he’s nothing more than an eloquent copy cat politician

Hilary should and will go Independant if Obama is nominated at the convention we as core democrats should not permnit an inexperienced candidate to run this party especially with all the baggage he has

It’s electability stupid! Will the Democratic Party decide to win and nominate Hillary, or commit suicide by being politically correct? For all you Obama morons that still don’t get it, the job of the Super Delegates is to pick the strongest candidate. We’re not electing Prom King. Let’s just hope the SDs haven’t had their brains sucked out by David Axelrod’s lobotomy beam.

You know, the way Hillary Clinton was treated by the media and her own party makes me BEG her to run in November on an Independent ticket!!! In a 3-way General Election, she will clean these guys’ clocks! Then we will finally get some real change: A new party in charge and a woman! Can’t beat that!
Let’s face it, the 2 parties have failed us thus far…too many reasons not to vote for McCain or Obama! We need more choices on the November ballot, and I, for one, want to see Clinton’s name there–no matter what! Let the American people (ALL OF THEM) decide who should be Commander-In-Chief…it’s the economy, stupid! And, only ONE candidate can rescue us from the disastrous Bush fiscally irresponsible policy!!!! Come on, Hillary, time for the “Patriot Party!”

One of the most stupid things I have ever heard is that the superdelegates will not vote against the primaries’ results , well, this must have come from the Obama’s camp..Ask yourselves , why were the superdelegates created??? If they are supposed to vote according to primaries’ results then why have them at all???Aren’t supers supposed to be an “independent voice” to safe-guard the party’s nomination’s process????If the Dems did it the Republican way , Clinton would have been the nominee LONG ago , but this is the Dem. party ,well then play by the rules ….Let the superdelegates vote their conscience …If the Superdelegates some how think that Clinton stands better chance in NOv. then let them decide it that way , remember there are only 800 of them , so in a nomination process that was not as close as this , the primaries’ results stands , but the Superdelegates were created to give an ” independent voice” and so in election like this , they matters ,that is the RULE , and for God’s shake , once you create your own rule , FOLLOW THEM ……this is gross injustice , how the media was biased against Clinton , how the Black people VOTE their colors , Racism that is , and did not even give 10% of their votes to someone they just 2 years ago called “The first Black president ” just because another black man who hardly got any accomplishment at all IS now running against them ( the Clinton) …..It is gross injustice when people call for Clinton to give up when there are 6 more primaries left , over 260 Superdelegates undecided and it is still 3 months to the convention….Remember , some Clintons Superdelegate ( betrayal friends) have switch and vice versa , so one may wonder , how can it be NOT possible that 2 weeks before the convention , something about Obama come out that we did not know about ( stuffs about associating with his racist pastor for the last 20 YEARS for instance ) and suddenly , the majority of his superdelegates wake up and realize that this guy is UN-ELECTABLE in Nov. and now they switch side to the Clintons …How does that scenario play out????Your guys Obama’s supportes must have thought that everyone is stupid and thus just listen to your craps without reasoning, this is ridiculous , and stupid to say the least …..I will vote for Mc Cain before mixing up with stupid racist arrogant elitists like you ………

The OW crowd is at it again. Yeah the Obama Whiners cannot accept the fact that Obama cannot live in a glass house all his life. Sooner or later they are going to have to face the fact that he is not perfect. Why did he send one of his advisers on foreign policy to talk with Humas terrorists? Secondly, why did he sit in the pew and listen to a racist preacher for 20 years without challenging that preacher’s racist remarks? How will Obama stand up to the for-coming racist attacks from the likes of Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, and others in the upcoming general election? Hillary is only doing Barrack a good deed – she is toughening his skin but that won’t help. All of his fancy words and philosophical attitude, a good old boy (yead damn old) McCain will round up the troops and kick Obama’s cute little tush even in the state of North Carolina that the media used to run Hillary out of the contest. I will bet dollars to dough-nuts Obama will not beat McCain in North Carolina, Ohio, New York, California, and Pennsylvania even with the help of Ted Kennedy.

If Hillary is not nominated by the DNC,or if she she backs slickobama it will be HELLO Pres McCain in Nov. Hillary PLEASE run on an independent ticket. Your country needs you.

Facts are stubborn things. The DNC, the media, and the Obama campaign can continue to ignore the electoral college and half the party, but they will do so to their own detriment. Pundits are blaming the Clintons for “dividing the party,” but it is the arrogance and dismissiveness of Hillary Clinton and her 16.6 million supporters that is creating the resentment. Who really has the sense of entitlement here? Senator Obama didn’t even deign to campaign in WV. I’m sure that makes those working class voters feel really valued. And that’s the Clintons fault too, huh? Keep ignoring and insulting people and you better getting used to saying, “President McCain.”

Hillary Clinton SHOULD NOT DROP OUT!
I have listened to all the debates and I believe Hillary Clinton is the BEST person out of all three running to bring this Country back to where American’s can get health care, bring the Economy back, as well as get the gas prices down, and unite the Country.
I’m sorry to say that Obama is not ready and although he may be able to sway the young voters. That does not get the job done. He doesn’t say during th debates what his plan is. I don’t understand that. I’m really taken by Obama’s wife’s comments about “finally she is proud to be an American. Also, that there will always be racism. When Obama preaches he will bring people together no matter the race. I don’t understade why he does not want to salute or sing or say the National anthem. In my opinion Barack Obama and his wife are not American’s. There past preacher and even the new Preacher are scary people without an guestion. You cannot convince me as 20 years of attending this so called church, the Obama’s did not hear the racist remarks. How disapointing these two people are.
Hillary, please do not drop out.
I will not nor my family will not support Barack Obama of John McCain.
If you are not the next President of the United States …. we are in deep trouble.

Hillary needs to stay in the race, because she’s the stronger candidate, Obama is only ahead because of his eloquent speaking skills, and the massive Black and young vote, but lacking experience or substance to his messages, the Republicans are going to eat him alive due to his lack of substance, debating skills, and experience, I hope the Super delegates don’t make a fatal mistake and put Obama up to be our Nominee, we will surely lose, and will also be calling McCain Mr. President in 2009. I will in no way vote for Obama if he’s the nominee, I don’t care if Hillary supports him or not, I have left this party and became an Independent, but will still be voting for Hillary as an write-in candidate if she’s not the nominee, but no Obama, no way no how, Hillary stay in the race you’re a fighter not a quitter, don’t let the Obama his Staff, Supporters, or the gender-biased media discourage or pressure you to quit, you can still win this thing, I still have some hope that you could pull this off.

now hat hillary has lost i don’t like any of th remaining canidates Obama has 1 year of expereince hat is just truely pathetic that someone could think that obama can make a decent president i do somewhat agee with his policies but more so with hillary’s then he choses joe biden its like obama is trying to make the democrats lose in september. whats more is hat obama lost the popular vote its against the very philosophy of the democratic party that obama won then he refuses to even consider consiliating with the over 18 million people who voted for hillary. then there is mccain Mccain has mental problems just like any other war hero so i gues i kinda support mccain cause mccain’s presidentcy will be shorter so we can get a good president sooner
HILLARY CLINTON IN 2012