House Majority Whip: ‘I Don’t Believe That There Is Any Way That She Can Win the Nomination’
House Majority Whip Jim Clyburn, D-S.C., tells The New York Times that the "tipping point" giving the Democratic presidential nomination to Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., was "reached around midnight last Tuesday. I could tell the next day, when I got up to the Capitol, that this thing was going to start a slide toward Obama.”
And then he said — cue clap of thunder — “I don’t believe that there is any way that she can win the nomination.”
He is still refraining from endorsing anyone, Clyburn said, but he added, “I think everybody for the good of the party needs to find a graceful way of bringing all of this to a close.”
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Quick Clinton supporters — hop off your train and board the Obama Express. You will, you know. Resistance is futile!
Be a good little democrat and forget you’re abandoning your moderate principles and are joining the ultra-left.
Posted by: A | May 10, 2008, 9:13 am 9:13 am
McCain is a moderate and Hillary supporters will go with him.
Obama can have his radical left supporters.
Posted by: Jack | May 10, 2008, 9:15 am 9:15 am
Jack you vote for Mc Caim and when 1500 more men and women are killed or mamed in this crappy war you take the blame.When you have to walk to work or can’t warm your house or even put food on the table you go look in the mirror and remember who you voted for.For God sakes lets get this country back on the right trackso we the poor and middle class can at least hold out own again.These people getting the tax breaks can not even spend the interest they are making on their money.
Posted by: honest | May 10, 2008, 9:20 am 9:20 am
Oh!Oh! the democratic party is self destructing at the expense of the country’s progress. Vote McCain and continue the failed Republican policies that have taken this country down the slippery slope of economic despair
Posted by: Earl | May 10, 2008, 9:21 am 9:21 am
I’ve had it with the Democratic party, they are a little too far left even for me and I’ve been a Democrat all my life. I’m switching parties and voting for McCain. Democrats for McCain.
Posted by: kittyCat | May 10, 2008, 9:27 am 9:27 am
honest – iraq war will end when the time is right, neither obama nor mccain nor hillary can just stop the war and pull the troops, so do not use iraq war as an excuse to not vote for mccain if obama is the nominee…
Cannot see Obama as president – 1. His radical associations 2. Hardly any experience 3. Btw – he thinks USA has 57 states
Never for Obama
Posted by: Jack | May 10, 2008, 9:28 am 9:28 am
How someone in his or her right mind can vote for McCain and continue the failed policies of the Republican party is beyond me..How is the economy? Bad! Many have lost jobs..and homes to foreclosures…we are not winning the war that should not have been..Our young and impressionable young men and women are dying in Iraq( I support our troops..they were sent there so they have to follow orders but I do not support the war)and it baffles me how John McCain and the Republican party can even be an option for this coming election.Somebody’s serving some spiked Koolaid out there that confounding the minds of heretofore rationale thinking people
Posted by: Earl | May 10, 2008, 9:28 am 9:28 am
I have studied Obama’s positions, and the only thing where I feel he is really too far left for me is in his support of the teachers’ union. But I think Bill and Hillary are there, too. On the issues, not much difference. I’ll stay with the Democrats.
Posted by: Laura | May 10, 2008, 9:32 am 9:32 am
Jim Clyburn! Oh, please! The man has been in the tank for Obama all along. That was clear when he appeared on Joe Scarborough to help spread the lie that Bill Clinton was speaking in “code” when he said Jesse Jackson won South Carolina. Take it to the convention, Hillary!
A Proud, Black, Hillary Supporter
Rise, Hillary, Rise!’08
Posted by: LeeLee07 | May 10, 2008, 9:32 am 9:32 am
kittycat, how can a Republican switch party and vote Republican? Can you explain that to me?
Posted by: Earl | May 10, 2008, 9:34 am 9:34 am
Obama cuts off with his Pastor of 20 years, who helped him find God,
who Helped shape his life by:
Bringing him into the Strong Black Community of Chicago
Marrying Him
Baptising his kids
Blessing his House
Praying for his run to Presidency….
Now Obama claims he wasn’t at the Pew when Wright spoke.
Tha he didn’t think his church was controversial ( Black Libertation theology claims White People are the Enemy —-> really explains Michelle Obama’s Hate/Anger )
Then when Rev Wright reveals that Obama is just a Politician—-> THIS IS THE STATEMENT THAT GOT OBAMA MAD ENOUGHT TO DENOUCE/REJECT WRIGHT…..
oh yeah….the Republicans are ready for Obama….
Thank you to all the OBAMABOTS for making sure the White House stays Republican.
Posted by: carpenter.nyc | May 10, 2008, 9:34 am 9:34 am
All those people who are saying not to vote for McCain, what bad you saw in Hillary that you did not vote for her and voted for Obama?
I was earlier never against Obama, I just felt he needed some experience to handle this critical situation. Later I got to see his pastor, radical friends and the way his caucus and voter fraud. All this has made me dislike Obama.
We will wait for 2012 when Hillary can win if not now. We have endured 8 years of bush and another 4 years of McCain is ok atleast we know what we will be getting. But with Obama, we feel scared.
So if it is not Hillary, me and most of moderate democrats will vote McCain or sit out.
Posted by: Jack | May 10, 2008, 9:34 am 9:34 am
CLINTON HAS LOST THE NOMINATION. WHY?
Because Pelosi, Kennedy, Soros and a whole cast of characters has hijacked the moderate principles of the Democratic party. The nominating has been fixed and the results have been decided for months. Forget FL and MI — they won’t matter.
Moderate Democrats need to find a new home or mount a write-in campaign! At least their principles won’t be compromised.
Posted by: A | May 10, 2008, 9:42 am 9:42 am
I live in the Uk but am very interested in the US election – for me Hillary Clinton has it all – Obama has too little experience and I cannot believe that he sat in that church for 20 years but didn;t know what Rev Wright was all about. Why should Hills bow out – the US voters – ALL voters deserve to have their say. If she carries WV as expected by a big margin maybe Obama will have Superdelegate defections. Think she would be a good US leader.
Posted by: Gillian | May 10, 2008, 9:45 am 9:45 am
Geevil
I agree totally. Democracy is about everyone having a say. If I lived in the remaining states I would be really annoyed if she quit now as there would be only one name on the ballot.
FL and Mich votes should be counted – not Hills fault Obama took his name off the paper on one and didn;t enter in the other. Whys should those voters views not count as big swing states.
I don;t trust Obama and don;t think he’s got what it takes to lead US ( mind you our PM is hopeless as well!. He has no experience, stuttuers and struggles when asked a difficult question and just doesn;t look the part – maybe in a few years but not this time. I have never seen Clinton struggle when interviewed and her breadth of knowledge on all matters is wide. She has devoted 30 years to public service and has all the experience that goes with.
Think some in the US are carried away with this ideal of change Obama offering. Talk is cheap though – question is can he deliver – I think NOT.
Think Hillary is the one to take on McCain – now media and party are telling her not to criticise Obama during the rest of the campaign as it is destructive. Talk about a fight with your hands tied behind your back!
Posted by: Gillian | May 10, 2008, 9:56 am 9:56 am
This Jim Clyburn is so disgusting. Hillary should consider a new party, the LABOUR party to fight for the middle class.
McCain – HIllary 08
This will kick the rear of those disgusting empty suits like Joe Andrew, racists Jim Clyburn. Who need the 92% of black community? Hillary can make it so close without them.
Let’s put the people above the party. That communist party of Howard Dean, Pelosi, peanut Jimmy and turncoat Joe & Richardson were so smelly. We ought to blow them up and across the Pacific for the safety of the country by votes.
McCain – Hillary 08
Posted by: John_Lai | May 10, 2008, 10:00 am 10:00 am
Carpenter – Because he’s a phony who will do what it takes to get what he wants.
I have always thought he had more faces than Big Ben in London!
I can’t understand why the media has not made more out of the Rev Wright/Rezko thing and if you check his record of voting he’s changed his tune somewhat in this campaign.
Really don;t think he can be trusted with economy / Iraq / Iran / Afghanistan/ Hamas – the list is long!
Posted by: Gillian | May 10, 2008, 10:04 am 10:04 am
Sorry Earl, I’m a card carrying lifetime Democrat. My mom worked for the party for years.
Posted by: kittyCat | May 10, 2008, 10:05 am 10:05 am
The superdelegate movement toward Obama – giving him a net gain of seven on Friday alone, with more expected – increased the pressure on Clinton to at least refrain from divisive remarks, particularly in the wake of her comments on Wednesday that lower-income white voters will not support Obama if he becomes the Democratic nominee. Aides now say she regrets the comments.
Clinton advisers say that attacks on Obama are no longer enough to change the momentum or outcome of the nomination race. Continued attacks on him, at this point, would probably inflict more long-term harm on Clinton than on Obama, her advisers said.
San Jose Mercury News
Posted by: Thinking | May 10, 2008, 10:05 am 10:05 am
Clyburn should realise – audience is still there, lights are not switched off and MIC is turned up to high volume.
Keep singing away Hillary!!
Clyburn is in Obama bag anyway.
Posted by: Gillian | May 10, 2008, 10:07 am 10:07 am
What is a moderate Democrat? You only want a small war with Iran? You only want to stay in Iraq 50 more years? You’re only willing to sacrifice 150,000 American jobs for a gas tax holiday? You only think companies should be allowed to send some of their jobs overseas while reaping the tax and other benefits of being an American enterprise? What are you talking about? Do you even know?
McCain is moderate? John McCain? Well McCain has a pastor too. But I have a feeling your reaction to McCain’s evil pastor will be the same as your reaction to the fact it was Clinton who was back-channeling other countries about lousy trade deals and Bill Clinton pardoned Weathermen. None of those things was ever your problem with Mr. Obama.
You will have to start your own party though. There is no Republican politician who would ever say he should be elected because she could get the white vote. Ever. And if they did the Republicans would very quickly remove the nasty little person from any position of power or authority so the stink of blatant racism didn’t get on them and their careers. No you need something a little more…basic. Like out in the woods with some sheets and some horses. But you’ll also need one more thing: a time machine.
Posted by: Progressive Observer | May 10, 2008, 10:14 am 10:14 am
The party bosses have wanted Obama all along. Hillary Clinton should remain in the race until after the last primary, and even then she shouldn’t quit until during or after the convention. This entire process is disgusting; the voters are completely ignored in several states, either through disenfranchisement (Michigan and Florida) or by closed-door caucuses. America keeps demanding that other countries switch to “democracy”; what has happened to ours?
Posted by: Rhys | May 10, 2008, 10:15 am 10:15 am
There really to many Republicans passing themselves off as Hillarynor Barack supporters. This only to get the dems fighting among themselves so as to forget the real important issues. I guess this is the continuation of operation chaos, this is pitiful that a great party such as the Republicans must resort to trickery, lies, distortion to salvage a party devoid of ideas that are needed by America.
Don’t believe the hype!!
Dems o8
Posted by: jld1959 | May 10, 2008, 10:16 am 10:16 am
Can anyone tell me based on the issues why Obama is more of a liberal then Clinton?
The only difference is, one supports and voted for the Iraqi War and the Other spoke against it.
Both Obama and Clinton are liberals. McCain is more of a moderate whom became a right wing nut to become the GOP nominee
B/c McCain has adapted all of Bush policies, he’s no longer a moderate. And that will be exposed in the upcomings Obama/McCain debates
Here’s my theory. All the Clinton supporters whom are threatening not to vote Obama are bluffing. This is their way of scaring the DNC to nominate Hillary. It’s clearly not working. Come November, majority will vote Obama and a small proportion will stay home.
I do believe Jim Clyburn is an Obama supporter, but he’s only stating what he’s heard for other Congressmen and other DNC members. Their simply waiting till June 3 to endorse Obama. I’ve said this all along and there’s been reports on this. No surprise here.
Obama08
Posted by: Vanessa | May 10, 2008, 10:18 am 10:18 am
THERE ARE TWO DEMOCRATIC PARTY’S
(1) Ultra-left radicals
(2) Traditional moderates
Clearly, one of the two is winning. That means Obama (aka Soetoro) will join the likes of Pelosi, Soros and the rest of the socialists.
Choose wisely!
Posted by: A | May 10, 2008, 10:20 am 10:20 am
its time for the dems to unite behind obama and find a way to defeat mccain. many people who are opposed to obama are racist straight out and living n the past. i am white 59 and support obama and by the way contribute to his campagin and i did not go to college. the world has changed thats why the young people love obama. some of those opposed to obama do not know what is going on in the world india china brazil and europe are trying to or already passing us by laughing at us., proving their thoughts that the us is a racist nation. the french and britons would never carry on like some of us are
Posted by: gail | May 10, 2008, 10:21 am 10:21 am
There’s no doubt many Clinton supporters will switch their so-called allegiance to BHO, but my wife and I (and several others we know) will switch to McCain. No, I DON’T like McCain, but at least he likes America! Even though I disagree with McCain’s Iraq policy (the same as Bush’s), I have never questioned his patriotism, nor have I questioned the patriotism of Hillary Clinton. Obamaniacs sound like this will be a one-candidate election, but we DO have a choice, even if it’s only the lesser of evils. I’ve been a contributor to Hillary’s campaign, but I my next contribution will probably go to McCain.
Posted by: Rhys | May 10, 2008, 10:23 am 10:23 am
There are really to many Republicans passing themselves off as Hillary or Barack supporters. This only to get the dems fighting among themselves so as to forget the real important issues. I guess this is the continuation of operation chaos, this is pitiful that a great party such as the Republicans must resort to trickery, lies, distortion to salvage a party devoid of ideas that are needed by America.
Such as abortion rights, an end to the Iraq war, Healthcare reform, economic and energy plan,Education, honest governance and a plan for the future
Don’t believe the hype!!
Dems o8
Posted by: jld1959 | May 10, 2008, 10:23 am 10:23 am
Why are we voting for a man who’s Wife hates our Country so much (except when her husband is making money or winning)
OBAMA AND HIS WIFE both went to a Black Liberation Church for 20 years.
Are you telling me Obama only went ther to get Political Clout ?….. then He’s worse than I thought!
Thank You OBAMABOTS for making sure we will never have a Democrat in the White House.
Note that most “college Kids” who support Obama has parents who support Hillary. Ironic thing is the Parents are supporting/sending money to their kids inturn the kids donate time/money to Obama— how messed up is this?
Posted by: carpenter.nyc | May 10, 2008, 10:24 am 10:24 am
Surveying the net today I noticed that News Paper, after News Paper are mentioning Obama’s voter drive that is starting today.
Leadership for a change.
Posted by: Thinking | May 10, 2008, 10:32 am 10:32 am
carpenter, please remember that our schools have been teaching how BAD America is for years. Everything that goes wrong on our planet is the fault of America, and we need to be punished. Obama is giving those “students” an opportunity to “punish” the establishment. Spending their parents’ money to elect Obama is just another way to “get even” with us dinosaurs. We also have to put some of the blame on Bush, whose theocratic right-wing agenda has caused a backlash. Too many people think the only way to “fight back” against the extreme right is to take America so far to the left that it will never return to center.
Posted by: Rhys | May 10, 2008, 10:32 am 10:32 am
the best thing about this Democratic nomimnation being over is that maybe blogs like this can return to civility & legitimate discussion
MAYBE –
The fact is that Sen Clinton ran a bad campaign.
She lost to someone who 90% of the electorate never heard of 16 months ago.
This example of how poorly she ran her campaign telexed a preview of how she may run the gov and was a contributing factor in her losing more states, more votes and more delegates.
Sen Obama is the nominee and if we are interested in writing the wrongs of the past seven – almost eigth years – we will join together and support the democratic nominee.
So with all due respect to
West Coast Messenger and the flock – time to show your true colors as an American and support the democrats in November – unless of course as many suspect you were never in support of either dem candidate all along.
Continued poison pens will reveal those who were never for either candidate all along and preyed on the emotions of others through lies and distortions
and false assertions.
The choice is now Obama or McCain.
Future or Past
Democrat or Republican
The rest is a distraction
Posted by: alison | May 10, 2008, 10:35 am 10:35 am
Obama workers are calling people in WV and KY and telling them that the race is already over and they do not need to go and vote for Hillary or Obama in the primaries. What Clyburn and Obama are doing is called VOTER SUPPRESSION! Clyburn and all the other obnoxious, arrogant Obama supporters should shut their mouths about the race being over. Obama has not reached 2025 pledged delegates, so Obama does not have the nomination “wrapped up”. Obama still has a problem with many groups of voters, the groups that Donna Brazile kicked out of the party last Tuesday night, and now they want them to come back and vote for a LOSER candidate! Sorry, we won’t vote for Obama – ever!
Posted by: calli | May 10, 2008, 10:39 am 10:39 am
The choice now is Obama or McCain…
There is a “third way” ya know. Some of us will choose to vote “present” on the presidential race, and support down-ticket dems in local and state races.
Posted by: bmc | May 10, 2008, 10:41 am 10:41 am
Hillary will remain in the race untill the end and then we should talk about who is the nominee there milliomns and millions of us the media acts like we are not here the party acts like we are not here but guess what we are here and getting madder by the minute,
Posted by: Bishop | May 10, 2008, 10:41 am 10:41 am
The Democratic Party is such a joke this year. If the so-called Super delegates want to totally destroy the Party, then go ahead and nominate Obama. This is one Democrat who can’t wait to see Obama and the Democratic Party lose in November. I am in favor of getting rid of Peloski and Reid by voting out my Democratic Congressman and Senators. Maybe by 2012 under new leadership, the Democratic Party can become the Party that People can be proud of again.
Posted by: Debbie | May 10, 2008, 10:42 am 10:42 am
Obama has insulted small town Americans,
made sexist remarks about Hillary and now older people.
Let him keep his young clueless voters, and AA voters…
they will turn a blind eye to anything Obama does.
If most of the baby boomers and over 65 crowd voted for McCain it is bye bye Obama.
Hillary or McCain or no one
Posted by: cindy in nc | May 10, 2008, 10:46 am 10:46 am
I’ve got my Hllary bumper sticker and if they force her out I’ll have my MCCain sticker right next to it. I then will never vote Democrat again and I will become an independent.
Posted by: Bishop | May 10, 2008, 10:48 am 10:48 am
Looks like the uneducated Hillary supporters are bitter. Thank GOD that the majority of people in this country are educated enough to finally see through the Clinton lies. I hear that WV is supporting Hillary by a forty point margin over Obama. They obviously are by a forty point margin less educated as well. I’d rather have the votes of educated prople and not the Clinton riff-raff of WV deciding the next president of this country.
Posted by: mike | May 10, 2008, 10:48 am 10:48 am
Clyburn set up museum in the in South Carolina costing millions of your tax-payer dollars and made his the daughter the director! I don’t think there’s much credibility to what this guy says. I know he is a big time Obama supporter!
Posted by: charleychaplin | May 10, 2008, 10:50 am 10:50 am
McCain is a moderate and Hillary supporters will go with him.
McCain, ’08!
Posted by: Jkan | May 10, 2008, 10:52 am 10:52 am
Yeah, I’m really gonna listen to what Jim “Race Card” Clyburn says!
Posted by: HoosierSue | May 10, 2008, 10:52 am 10:52 am
Why is a civil rights leader like Clyburn trying to suppress votes? Now it is okay for black people to keep all 50 states from participating so their guy can win the nomination? Talk about the Politics of Hypocrisy. The Obama campaign takes the cake for dirty tricks, old politics, and just plain old meanness. Are they trying to drive away every last Hillary supporter because they are doing an excellent job? That would be about 50% of the democratic party right now that supports Hillary – doesn’t Obama need their votes in the fall? Guess Obama is going to win with AA’s, rich people and Chicago “fixers”.
Posted by: frisco girl | May 10, 2008, 10:53 am 10:53 am
Simple math in terms of delegate count may show that Sen. Hillary Clinton cannot win the nomination without the help of super-delegates. Simple math also show that Sen. Barack Obama also cannot win the nomination without the help of super-delegates. Simple math also shows that Sen. Obama is behind Sen. John McCain in many battleground states. Simple math also shows that Sen. Clinton is ahead of Sen. McCain in many battle ground states such as Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Florida. Simple logic says that Sen.Clinton is the stronger cndidate for the Democrats!
Posted by: charleychaplin | May 10, 2008, 10:57 am 10:57 am
“made sexist remarks about Hillary and now older people.” I am an older person and I would not be offended if someone made a sexist remark about me. In fact, I’d be quite flattered by it.
Posted by: G Mortensen | May 10, 2008, 11:02 am 11:02 am
“VOTE FOR CHANGE” voter registration drive starts TODAY.
There are going to be 1 million volunteers by election day.
Posted by: Stacey | May 10, 2008, 11:02 am 11:02 am
Sorry Mike, I’m educated and make more than 50K and I supported Hillary and still do. Your comments are rude to the good citizens of our country. The working class is smarter than you are because they know a good candidate when they see one. Since the party has decided, I won’t follow them. Go McCain in 2008
Posted by: kittyCat | May 10, 2008, 11:03 am 11:03 am
Ask Shryl Atkinson of CBC News what a corrupt guy is this Clyburn really is. He’s one of the most devious politicians we have in Washington. Sen. Obama is promising to “clean-up” Washington. If you look at his list of Washington supports of Sen. Obama including Clyburn, you know Sen. Obama is only trying to get your vote, just like any other politician. Remeber, Rev. Wright called Sen. Obama “a politician!”
Posted by: charleychaplin | May 10, 2008, 11:05 am 11:05 am
Good luck on that “vote for change” registration drive Obamanations, Obama is going to need it. I’m changing my lifelong democratic registration to independent this week, and I bet millions of other democrats will be doing the same if Obama is the nominee. Donna Brazile and her new democratic party are in for a rude awakening in the fall.
Posted by: frisco girl | May 10, 2008, 11:07 am 11:07 am
LeeLee07,
This has been going on for days now. Note how the MSM is not reporting it!!!! Why NC became the litmus test for the nomination, I will never understand. Given the demographics HRC was never predicted to win there. It is a RED state adn has voted Repub in every presidential election since 1976!! So, why oh why should NC be the turning point in this nomination?
Posted by: countallthevotes | May 10, 2008, 11:17 am 11:17 am
Some of us don’t care if Hillary wants to stay in this race. I don’t care how badly she wants to disgrace and demoralize herself but she is dragging her supporters down with her. If she cannot and will not accept her loss, her supporters won’t either and we will have a divided party.
Hillary has to stop negative attacks with class/racial comments. She is using Clinton triangulation along those lines and a presidential candidate in the UNITED States should NEVER do that.
There is no place in this country to foster those feelings and certainly not now with the hard times our nation is faced with. Her actions validate a plan that she isn’t “in it to win it” but in it now to make sure Obama “will not win it”.
With Hillary’s feeling of entitlement to be President and her growing campaign debt, she really is a desperate person not to be trusted. I am starting to see the real reason for her meeting with Richard Mellon Scaife…delivering a divided party to them.
Posted by: Ready to Turn Page | May 10, 2008, 11:21 am 11:21 am
The media has shut out Hillary supporters we have tried CNN acts like we are not even there and msnbc which I pay for where I live won’t take your email and I will vote with my money also My cable bill just went down fifty dollars and the hell with my news paper also. Hillary or McCain in 08
Posted by: Bishop | May 10, 2008, 11:24 am 11:24 am
You better read that page before you turn it.
Posted by: Bishop | May 10, 2008, 11:26 am 11:26 am
I guess the people who promote class and race every day now want it not to be talked about .
Posted by: Bishop | May 10, 2008, 11:29 am 11:29 am
Clinton her fanatics remind me of the movie “Dead Man Walking” Like the guy in the movie, she’s still walking but not for long. The door ahead in NOT the entrance to the White House. Hillary’s presidential asperation is a “Dead Man Walking”. And, she won’t be back in 2012, ask Kerry, Algore, Mcgovern, Humphreys,etc………
Posted by: MohairSam | May 10, 2008, 11:32 am 11:32 am
Clyburn is creepy!
Posted by: randmcneil | May 10, 2008, 11:33 am 11:33 am
LeeLee07,
I just emailed the DNC about the Obama calls in WV and KY. I suppose the DNC does not care since they did not care about the votes in MI or FL.
Note, how Obama wants to end the race at the first moment his SD count reaches HRC. She should have declared herself the winner months ago, based on that!! LOL
Posted by: countallthevotes | May 10, 2008, 11:37 am 11:37 am
MANNY….
The word is OBAMA is their PUPPET.
AXELORD has PROMISED all these scumbags–that Obama is going to be the perfect clueless PUPPET for all of them to have influence over.
simple as that…POLITICS 101….Even Rev.Wright knew it.
Posted by: carpenter.nyc | May 10, 2008, 11:37 am 11:37 am
rco,
The only thing I can say to you:
You wish!!!
Admit or not: Obama won’t go anywhere without Clinton’s help!!!! That is the Ace in Clintons.
Posted by: True Truth | May 10, 2008, 11:39 am 11:39 am
rco women are age have all kinds of clubs and some are on here right now but are just watching from the wings to bad that you all have been such asses to them .We have been getting the word out.
Posted by: Bishop | May 10, 2008, 11:44 am 11:44 am
WHY CLINTON SUPPORTERS WILL CAVE …
The liberal wing of the democratic party has a campaign in mind that will paint McCain as Satan himself. Moderates will give it all up and move to the left in fear of Armageddon. Be prepared for Obama (aka Soetoro) surrogates to wage vile attacks while Obama keeps his nose above it all and occasionally denounces his spokespeople.
The scheme will work.
Posted by: A | May 10, 2008, 11:48 am 11:48 am
countallthevotes, bishop and others -
I just tried to send a donation and email about the voter suppression to Hillary’s site and did not get through. I will try again later, although I am sure that she probably already knows. The only thing I can think of is that we email/contact/call/blogs enmasse specifically at right-wing sites because they most likely will be the ones to raise a hue and cry about this. I have two screens up on my computer now and I am reading these posts on one and posting on the other. By trying together, we may get something positive to happen.
A Proud, Black, Hillary Supporter
Rise, Hillary, Rise!’08
Posted by: LeeLee07 | May 10, 2008, 11:54 am 11:54 am
All I can say is that if anyone was stupid enough to vote for George Bush twice, their opinion of Obama is worthless. Your insults of Obama should be taken as praise….
Posted by: jim | May 10, 2008, 12:07 pm 12:07 pm
Um, Jim – Democrats did not vote for Bush.
A Proud, Black, Hillary Supporter
Rise, Hillary, Rise!’08
Posted by: LeeLee07 | May 10, 2008, 12:12 pm 12:12 pm
Lou,
I respect your position but have to state what is this “new dynamic?”
I have never seen the Democratic Party so polarized in my life! I have never experienced such racist comments in my lifetime and all for not supporting the “black” candidate. I have never heard such sexist remarks lodged against a female candidate. I have never heard such overtly age discrimatory positions in my life.
That is the “new dynamic.” I lay this at the feet of Obama and his supporters.
Posted by: countallthevotes | May 10, 2008, 12:14 pm 12:14 pm
Many people think that the Dem Leaders, the gang of four and some of Dem super delegates are deaf or blind because they don’t want to hear the voice of Florida, Michigan voters or watching the reaction of majority Dem voters in big states. But I think they are jealous and selfish. They really don’t want to make the black voters angry which will hurt their political career in the next election. They would scarify the White House to GOP rather than their own benefits.
Posted by: stock_craft | May 10, 2008, 12:15 pm 12:15 pm
The only “Change We Can Believe In” is that Obama will continue to affect race relations in a totally negative way. He has already set it back by about 40 years and he has not been even elected yet! ROFLMAO!!!
A Proud, Black, Hillary Supporter
Rise, Hillary, Rise!’08
Posted by: LeeLee07 | May 10, 2008, 12:20 pm 12:20 pm
Lou,
If the man can’t change the Church who hates American so much and keep going for 20 years. I am wonder how can he change America?
Posted by: stock_craft | May 10, 2008, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm
The Clintons don’t do graceful.
Posted by: Nobodys fool | May 10, 2008, 12:24 pm 12:24 pm
Dear Leelee,
Are you suggesting that black people should not run for elected office until white people feel more comfortable?
Surely not.
Posted by: Nobodys fool | May 10, 2008, 12:25 pm 12:25 pm
Dear countallthevotes, I really have been a democratic voter for many elections and I have never seen a woman or black man create so much excitment.
I beleive that the Obama appeal is his background and his platform to work with ordinary Americans. He understands what prejudice is and he didn’t grow up to have everything, but his single mother gave him the tools and support to work. I believe he wants to “Unite” people and energize them as equals and that is truly a new dynamic. I believe he will work for all the people and that is a very important part of being Cammander and chief of the greatest nation on earth. I am proud to say I went into the california primary booth to actually vote for Senator Clinton because I knew who she was and out of nowhere I voted for Obama, a light went on in my head in the voters booth and I couldn’t forget his theme “CHANGE YOU CAN BELIEVE IN”. I thought for a few more seconds about some of his campaign slogans and things he brings to the table, so I voted for Obama. I think all Americans need something to believe in and someone who understands the human condition beofre political fallout.
Posted by: Lou | May 10, 2008, 12:26 pm 12:26 pm
Sorry I got a bad case of typing flu. :)LOL
========================================Dear countallthevotes, I really have been a democratic voter for many elections and I have never seen a woman or black man create so much excitment.
I beleive that the Obama appeal is his background and his platform to work with ordinary Americans. He understands what prejudice is and he didn’t grow up to have everything, but his single mother gave him the tools and support to work. I believe he wants to “Unite” people and energize them as equals and that is truly a new dynamic. I believe he will work for all the people and that is a very important part of being Commander and chief of the greatest nation on earth. I am proud to say I went into the california primary booth to actually vote for Senator Clinton because I knew who she was and out of nowhere I voted for Obama, a light went on in my head in the voters booth and I couldn’t forget his theme “CHANGE YOU CAN BELIEVE IN”. I thought for a few more seconds about some of his campaign slogans and things he brings to the table, so I voted for Obama. I think all Americans need something to believe in and someone who understands the human condition before political fallout.
Posted by: Lou | May 10, 2008, 12:29 pm 12:29 pm
Hillary can still win by the rules Obama has not won at the end of the primary’s the super del which is the worst thing I have ever heard of will vote and pick the nominee so King Obama should wait or go beat her in ky.
Posted by: Bishop | May 10, 2008, 12:39 pm 12:39 pm
Lou,
Nice that you beleive that, but I see Obama as the most politically polarizing person in my lifetime. That takes in class, race, age and gender.
Watch what he does, not what he says. “Only words,” remember.
Posted by: countallthevotes | May 10, 2008, 12:41 pm 12:41 pm
The choices on the November ballot will be Obama and McCain. If the Hillary supporters won”t vote for Obama and they vote for McCain out of spite or abstain from voting , then they will be responsible for at least four more years of Bush policies, maybe eight. But in all fairness, if by some miracle Hillary is on the ticket and the Obama supporters do the same thing then they will be just as guilty of causing the same catastrophe. The world can not afford another Republican president at this time.
Posted by: concerned Dem | May 10, 2008, 12:42 pm 12:42 pm
Consider this:
Doug Goodyear, GOP Covention Manger, represented the Repressive Burma Junta.
Newsweek
Vote for McCain, Yea great choice.
Obama08
Posted by: Thinking | May 10, 2008, 12:46 pm 12:46 pm
Thinking
Yeah — a convention manager’s past is certainly worth jettisoning one’s intelligence. You should change your name!
Posted by: Aston | May 10, 2008, 12:49 pm 12:49 pm
I believe that Michigan and Florida delegates should be part of the convention, but they both violated the DNC rules. Florida’s elections process has been under scrutiny for a few years. Bush-vs-Gore that was a tainted result no matter how you slice it or dice it.
Their elections system needs to be corrected. some of their results have the appearance of corrution so that is not saying the people are corrupt, I am suggesting the voting system needs to be corrected.
Posted by: Lou | May 10, 2008, 12:50 pm 12:50 pm
Folks are still up in arms about Michigan? Few if any of you live here. Our state leaders made a gamble and a huge mistake, yet you blame Senator Obama only. And Senator Clinton who cares so deeply for us, only after she started losing, rejects the recent compromise plan from our state leaders to seat Michigan’s delegates.
So stop with the phony-baloney nonsense. You are not fooling anyone but yourselves. And don’t worry, the delegates will get seated in some form or another.
Posted by: MIguy | May 10, 2008, 12:55 pm 12:55 pm
Well Gee Aston, McCain picked him.
I thought it was all about, judgement, who we associate with, What governments we can deal with, who we can talk to. Etc.
Personal attacks against me will not solve your apparent problem.
Obama08
Posted by: Thinking | May 10, 2008, 12:56 pm 12:56 pm
Hooray for Sandy!!! You hit the nail on the head!! I feel bad about the in fighting between democrats. I also think it not healthy for Senator Clinton and former President Clinton to keep selling wolf tickets to their supporters.
I voted for Bill Clinton both times and I was going to vote for her until I started to listen to what Obama was saying. I know he will at least try to CHANGE some of the old politics with new and creative ideas. I now say “YES WE CAN” Vote Obama 2008.
Senator Obama is trying to be so gracious and delicate with Senator Clinton and she pushes forward without a chance to succeed?? Why??
Posted by: Lou | May 10, 2008, 1:00 pm 1:00 pm
Third parties fail because most Independents are independent-minded and do not want to be pigeon-holed into any one ideology. Then there is the money aspect too.
Those of you who “support” Senator Clinton are asking her to commit political suicide by leaving the Democratic party. I also love the McCain-Clinton campaigners as that ticket would give John McCain the best chance of losing his base. (I didn’t say “losing his bearings” or “losing his marbles” but those would also apply if he chose her.)
I am not trying to insult you or Senator Clinton; please vote for her if you are so inclined. But it seems that the angst about her potentially losing is directing some of you towards absurd suggestions that do not benefit her. If she plays her cards right, she could end up a very powerful figure in government and last there much longer than Senator Obama.
Posted by: MIguy | May 10, 2008, 1:03 pm 1:03 pm
In the new today- can you guys believe that both McCain and Bush are publicly against Virginian Democrat Webb’s legislation to reinstate the ‘GI Bill’- the college assistance benefits for our returning veterans, similar to what we had after WW II? How disgraceful is this? HIlary and Barrack wholeheartedly support it the legislation. How damaging will tis be in the national election unless the so-called ‘war hero’ candidate, Sen McCain, flip flops again and claims he was always for it, and since he is a ‘war hero’, no one should question his judgement. McCain wants us to continue the fruitless Bush war in Iraq that continues to cost us in lost US lives and lost billions of $$ that could be used to help America at home during a recession brought on by the never-ending war. I ask you this- who on earth in the Democratic party could in good conscience vote for MCCain in November, because they are mad at Obama and his supporters? Only adolescents think this way. That’s why our mother’s always told us, “don’t bite off your nose to spite your face”. Time to grow up people. According to McCain’s mom and Rush Limbaugh, even the Waskily Wepublicans plan to hold their noses to vote for McCain. You Hilary democrats want to do the same?? Why??
Posted by: rco | May 10, 2008, 1:09 pm 1:09 pm
@Bishop: Good for you for working on her behalf and supporting her financially. I agree that she should stay in as long as she likes, or until she formally loses.
Posted by: MIguy | May 10, 2008, 1:12 pm 1:12 pm
CICI you are determined to ruin this country with distructive thinking. Are you an American? What do you think this kind of destructive suggestion will accomplish. Senator Clinton or Mc Cain, this tells me you are trying to overthrow the will of the American people with alternative destructive choices.
I surely hope that no one takes your suggestion. WOW!
Posted by: Lou | May 10, 2008, 1:14 pm 1:14 pm
We all know tha Ted Kennedy is responsible for Mary Jo Kopechne’s death. Another corrupt, guilty Obama supporter! Wow, can rich get away with anything?
Posted by: oldgirl fromedgetownMass | May 10, 2008, 1:16 pm 1:16 pm
Lou – ‘gracious and delicate’ are not words that Hillary’s supporters seem to comprehend. I believe’slash and burn’ would be more appropriate.
It always amazes me about how Hillary’s supporters say they will vote for Senator ‘Senior Moments’ or write in Hillary’s name. I am a strong Obama supporter, but if I had to vote for Hillary, I would in order to prevent another Republican from taking the White House. I would have to hold my nose and turn blue in order to check Hillary’s name on the ballot, but I would do it just the same. From reading the posts here, it appears that Hillary’s supporters are not as gracious.
Posted by: sandy | May 10, 2008, 1:20 pm 1:20 pm
Clinton made her point she has the support of the white middle class voter ( whatever that is), but it is apparent that this election is not about that.
These so called Regan Democrates has bought us 8 years of of the Bush Admin.. As far as I am concerned they were wrong then and they are wrong now.
Posted by: Thinking | May 10, 2008, 1:22 pm 1:22 pm
countallthevotes no disrespect but it seems you are all over the place. One thing is clear you are on on baord with Obama for president. I can totally respect that. :)
Fatigue has set in on all of the candidates for sure. I am talking real talk. Ronald Reagan did not make very many public appearances during his second term
I have grand children and I want things to get better for them during their lifetimes and I take this campaign very seriously. I am a democrat but if I thought for one minute a Republican was best suited for the job I would vote for that individual.
I really hope the American people stop being swayed into fighting a fight that they can not win.
The war in Iraq was just that kind of fight and a Republican tried to finish what his Republican father started. The true losers hera are the American people and the American economy. The election stuff is very serious to me. senator Mc Cain is not my personal choice, have at it that is what you believe.
Posted by: Lou | May 10, 2008, 1:23 pm 1:23 pm
Leelee07,
If you think that Joe Scarborough is in the tank for Obama, you have not been watching TV for the past month.
Spin all you want, but the simple fact is the Obama campaign emphasizes how much Americans have in common. The Clinton campaign emphasizes how much we are different.
That does not mean that the Clinton campaign is racist, but it is a hallmark of the divisive style that has been the hallmark of Senator Clinton’s managment style.
And THAT is the real elephant in the room. Senator Clinton (and many of her supporters) have the exact same “with us or against us” style that was the hallmark of the Bush years. Sorry, but I’ve had enough of that.
Posted by: Nobodys fool | May 10, 2008, 1:24 pm 1:24 pm
Charleychaplin – Senator Obam blew a line – better a line then threatening to bomb Iran. Both Senator Obama and Hillary are exhausted and it is beginning to show on both of them. However, I do not jump on every gaff that Hillary makes.
Posted by: sandy | May 10, 2008, 1:24 pm 1:24 pm
Wait-we can’t call this election until all 57 states have voted. As Obama, stated in Oregon yesterday, he has been to over 57 states so far, all but 2-Alaska, and Hawaii. Will someone, please, please tell me, why anyone would vote for someone who doesn’t even know how many states there are in the United States. I am one, Democrat, who has never voted Republican, but I will, if BO is the Dem nominee. No, it’s not race stupid, it’s because he is not ready.
Posted by: beachnan | May 10, 2008, 1:30 pm 1:30 pm
Bishop,
If you check further you will find that many of the uncommitted in MI belonged to Edwards. He had enormous support there from labor!! He also lobbied there for his supporters to vote uncommitted. In all, Obama is estimated to have gotten far less than half of the uncommitted votes. That was estimated based on exit polling.
Further, the explicit lobbying by Edwards and Obama for the uncommitted votes was a direct violation of the 4-state pledge. The remedy for the violation is supposed to be forfeiting of your delegates.
Posted by: countallthevotes | May 10, 2008, 1:33 pm 1:33 pm
Beachnan,
Many of us started believing that there were 57 states because according to Senator Clinton, all of the “big states” count twice! lol
P.S. Folks really, really need to lighten up a bit . . . NONE of us are perfect, and our next President won’t be either, let’s go ahead and accept that now, okay?
Posted by: Nobodys fool | May 10, 2008, 1:33 pm 1:33 pm
Barack Obama has planned a party to claim the nomination in Portland, based on his own campaigns measurement. He can say whatever he wants, but it’s an insult to intelligence to believe it until it happens by the rules. As Howard Dean has said many times, MI and FL are going to be resolved and seated. Obama has now agreed with that position. Like it or not, the working number of delegates is 2209. There’s not a rule that says if you get a plurality of the pledged delegates, you win.
The Obama campaign will declare that there’s never been a candidate denied the election who had the most pledged delegates. True. But has there been a candidate denied the nomination whose had the most votes? I don’t think so. But neither of those metrics matters. 2209, or whatever the number is after the resolution of MI and FL happens to be, is all that matters. Until then, we don’t have a nominee.
Posted by: Bishop | May 10, 2008, 1:34 pm 1:34 pm
Countthevotes,
So you say Gore and Kerry lost because they opposed the Clintons?
All the more reason to vote againmst them
Posted by: Thinking | May 10, 2008, 1:35 pm 1:35 pm
When Hillary wins WV and KY does well in OR and wins PR gets a flood of super’s like Obama has been doing guess what never say never
Posted by: Bishop | May 10, 2008, 1:41 pm 1:41 pm
KY and WV want help Hillary Clinton in no way.
Fl and MI may count at the convention but not at this point because the two renegades state violation the rules of the game and 2209 is out of the question? If the Clintons can’t play by the rules they should move away from the table.
The Clintons want to make-up the rules of the game as they play the play?
Posted by: Lookup | May 10, 2008, 1:44 pm 1:44 pm
KY and WV will help Clinton and they also make it clear Obama can’t close so going around trying to force Hillary out acting like you are already the winner like Bush did in 2000 makes most Democrats see RED get it!!!!!
Posted by: Bishop | May 10, 2008, 1:49 pm 1:49 pm
The New News from ROFLMAO is
NO ONE HAS WON YET TO THIS DATE NADA NO ONE is that stated plain enough.
Posted by: Bishop | May 10, 2008, 1:52 pm 1:52 pm
Bishop – it would be nice if your dream for Hillary became true, but it is not reality. With her loss in NC and less than a 1% ‘victory’ in IN, she would need to win 70-30 in KY and WV to gain any delegates on Senator Obama’s advantage. if she does not win by those margins, Hillary would need to win the rest of the primary states by 90% of the vote. That is not going to happen.
Posted by: sandy | May 10, 2008, 1:52 pm 1:52 pm
if you cant stand the heat get out the House Hillary
Posted by: eugene | May 10, 2008, 1:52 pm 1:52 pm
@ Bishop
most Democrats?
How do you figure this?
Posted by: Thinking | May 10, 2008, 1:53 pm 1:53 pm
Sandy It is not a dream and we shall see.
Posted by: Bishop | May 10, 2008, 1:55 pm 1:55 pm
ok the other half that have voted for Hillary
Posted by: Bishop | May 10, 2008, 1:57 pm 1:57 pm
sandy,
Neither HRC or BO have enough pledged delegates to become the nominee. The SD will have to decide. I don’t pay much attention to SD’s until they actually lodge their vote. Endorsements do and can change. That is the histroy of the Democratic Party. Note, when Ted Kennedy ran in the primaries against Jimmy Carter, Ted Kennedy entered the convention with a little over 1,200 pledges to Carter’s 1,900. Did Ted Kennedy cede the nomination? No, despite the huge disparity in delegate numbers, Ted Kennedy took it to the floor and even tried to get the DNC to change its rules there at the convention!!!
This race is really close.
Posted by: countallthevotes | May 10, 2008, 2:00 pm 2:00 pm
Going back into retirement is starting to look better and better to Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton hiatus from retirement and hitting the campaign trail is wearing thin.
Posted by: Lookup | May 10, 2008, 2:02 pm 2:02 pm
Uncommitted Democratic superdelegates in Congress overwhelmingly say they won’t necessarily back the presidential candidate who wins the most primary delegates. Instead, electability will be very important in their
decision.
Of 42 lawmakers interviewed by The Hill, only four said they regarded the primary vote as decisive.
Posted by: Bishop | May 10, 2008, 2:05 pm 2:05 pm
I supported Hillary from day one and will continue to support her all the way to the White House. Go Hillary! Yes, you will!
Posted by: andrea | May 10, 2008, 2:05 pm 2:05 pm
A Proud, Black, Hillary Supporter – it is difficult to ignore someone who is as biased as you are even though I do try. However, you make it easy to come back because, I swear, you live on a parallel planet, not Mother Earth. You must watch parallel TV as I am hearing and seeing commentary that gives me a miuch different perspective then yours does.
Bishop – a link please to your assertion that Obama is going to use Portland to stake his claim to the nomination.
Posted by: sandy | May 10, 2008, 2:06 pm 2:06 pm
I think that there has been a change in this race since last Tuesday.
Obama not making a run in WV and KY, the sudden change in tone from the Clinton Campaign, is telling us something.
Both Campaigns are saying this thing is over.
Posted by: Thinking | May 10, 2008, 2:07 pm 2:07 pm
Rhys,
I have been following the blogs very closely, and I have seen outrageous posts by supporters of both Democratic candidates. But that still does not answer the question of why you feel Senator Obama is responsible for the anonymous comments posted on a blog? Your original post stated that this has changed your opinion of him, and I don’t see how that is fair. Shouldn’t Senator Obama be judged by what HE says and does?
Leelee07,
If this is the way you “speak” when you are not angry, then remind me to never make you mad! j:)
Posted by: Nobodys fool | May 10, 2008, 2:09 pm 2:09 pm
Who cares what Jim Clyburn thinks? LOL
Posted by: andrea | May 10, 2008, 2:10 pm 2:10 pm
IT IS OVER…as far as the primary goes. Obama needs to concentrate on mc-more-war. Did anyone she how upset they got when Obama said he was losing his bearings? Age is an issue. Why do you think pilots have to retire at age 60? So it looks llike Obama wins in a landslide this fall… Obama 2008!!
Posted by: pt | May 10, 2008, 2:13 pm 2:13 pm
Mary – LINKS to your assertions, please. Rev. Wright, Ayers, and Rezko will not sink Obama’s nomination. If they could, they would have already. But a look at Hillary’s unsavory backround, the Paul vs. Clinton connection, Obama’s unsurmountable lead in pledged delegates and his pull-ahead in superdelegates, does not bode well for Hillary. It is great that you support your candidate so strongly, but reality must be faced sooner or later.
Posted by: sandy | May 10, 2008, 2:14 pm 2:14 pm
Sorry, USmarine0331 – the nomination is Senator Obama’s not matter how you try to rationalize it any other way.
Posted by: sandy | May 10, 2008, 2:40 pm 2:40 pm
There are really to many Republicans passing themselves off as Hillary or Barack supporters. This only to get the dems fighting among themselves so as to forget the real important issues. I guess this is the continuation of operation chaos, this is pitiful that a great party such as the Republicans must resort to trickery, lies, distortion to salvage a party devoid of ideas that are needed by America.
Such as abortion rights, an end to the Iraq war, Healthcare reform, economic and energy plan,Education, honest governance and a plan for the future
Don’t believe the hype!!
Dems o8
Posted by: jld1959 | May 10, 2008, 2:47 pm 2:47 pm
sorry True Truth – I happen to think Senator Obama fills his suit mighty fine! :)
Posted by: sandy | May 10, 2008, 3:22 pm 3:22 pm
sandy,
Of course Obama fit his suit mighty fine: it is empty suit – it would fit for any size of Obama!!!
Posted by: True Truth | May 10, 2008, 3:26 pm 3:26 pm
I remember the Clinton years–shame, disgrace, corruption. Yeah, those are some fond memories.
Oh yeah and a little thing called NAFTA, that was outstanding for the economy. My town lost 2 factories to Mexico. Bill Clinton left a fantastic economic legacy to my community. And I am so grateful to Hillary for getting that Health Care reform passed. She really proved she can get it done didn’t she.
I think some folks need to take the rose colored glasses off. The Clinton years were anything but Golden.
Posted by: Bobbi | May 10, 2008, 3:26 pm 3:26 pm
Bobbi,
Yes, you may remember all those controversies. But as an American, you should not forget we had achieved no debts for our country with billions of plus by 2000…..
You may not agree with all those controversies but you can’t deny America was better off by 2000 compared to 1992…
That is the fact and you can’t deny the history!!
Posted by: True Truth | May 10, 2008, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm
fontapa,
Were you better off in 2000 compared to 1992? Maybe you are too young to remember…
It is the fact: America was better off in 2000 than in 1993…
You may not agree or dislike all the controversies but you can not deny the fact!!!
Posted by: True Truth | May 10, 2008, 3:42 pm 3:42 pm
Then… as a superdelegate make your endorsement…. as a strong leader let everyone know that the ‘white special kind of voters’ that Clinton now says Obama can’t win that she can has calculated its importance on old school… we have new voter demographics-unprecedented-thus nothing she says about the past ways to win this thing in November is even relevant anymore. Why she lost.
Posted by: origood | May 10, 2008, 3:43 pm 3:43 pm
fontapa,
Again, if you were a Democrat, if you were an America, you know Bill Clinton is the president with highest approval rating (70%) in modern time..
Even Obama’s surrogate tried to compared Obama as Bill Clinton 2008…
It is OK you dislike Clintons (that is your right), but you can not deny the fact!!
Posted by: True Truth | May 10, 2008, 3:46 pm 3:46 pm
I think folks trying to force Clinton out of the race is hurting the party.
It angers the 15 million Clinton supporters even more, not to mention the last states who want to vote.
Posted by: tomdavie | May 10, 2008, 4:07 pm 4:07 pm
Bobbi,
Let me tell you why I won’t vote for Obama:
1. Obama offered no solution how to end the War in Iraq. He claimed he would withdraw troop immediately but his advisor admitted he had no concrete plan… He just repeated his old anti-War speech and played blame game while offered nothing to solve the problem!
2. Obama claimed himself he represented a new politics but just in this campaign he double talked NAFTA, lied about Rezko, dumped his pastor to gain his own political advantage, played race card (admit it or not), backed and fundraised by the same old lobbyists who he claimed against…
3. He is a quiter but a fighter: he ran away from debates, he admitted he could not win PA, he couldn’t win WV and KY so he even would not compete in WV…
4. Of course, he claimed he got the most foriegn experience because he lived in foriegn countries more than other candidates….
To me, he is just a same typical politician from Chicago – the most infamous political city with the largest political fixing scandal…
So you tell me how I or Americans will unite behind a quiter with the same old political character…
3. Obama lied about his relationship to his pal Re
Posted by: True Truth | May 10, 2008, 4:20 pm 4:20 pm
I have never seen a candidate get such BRUTAL treatment in the media than I am seeing Senator Clinton and President Clinton are getting.
There are 6 contests left. These states have not voted in an undecided primary in over 40 years.
I take it the media could care LESS about that. All they care about is making headlines and harassing Hillary Clinton?
How about you pieces of garbage in the media have some class and just let the woman finish the contests ?
Its 3 stupid weeks. Its not the end of the world. The media is becoming petty and is hurting the democratic party.
Forcing Clinton out with snide articles aint going to bring the party together. I can tell you that.
Posted by: tomdavie | May 10, 2008, 4:24 pm 4:24 pm
Unfortunately, the black man is correct. It is inconceivable that the dems establishments will not choose Bo to be the dems nominee.
Even more unfortunately, the Bo is unlikely to win the general election because of his problems with “rural America”.
Posted by: fat cat | May 10, 2008, 4:27 pm 4:27 pm
Thomas,
Admit or not, Obama won’t go anywhere without Clintons’ help…
He will be in a death valley in GE just like Al Gore and John Kerry…
Posted by: True Truth | May 10, 2008, 4:31 pm 4:31 pm
Word on the street is that Obama may either nominate Hillary or Larry Sinclair as his veep.
Posted by: Alison | May 10, 2008, 9:10 pm 9:10 pm
Bobbi:
The truth is President Clinton was a successful Govenor for 12 years before he became, undoubtedly, the best President in modern day history.
He was also the first President to reach across party lines to get many effective legislation passed with the cooperation of the Republicans.
Obama is not only inexperienced in his views and thinking, but he crumbles under even the slightest pressure. He is hiding behind the support of many misogynysts who can’t stand the thought of a woman taking the highest office in the land. Similar men are also responsible for Obama’s early victory in caucus states that helped him amass pledged delegates. These men were relentless in their pursuit of anyone they can find to get to the polling booth. Unfortunately, many of these voters weren’t the working class (all working class, not excluding African-Americans) that make up the majority of the population of America. They were often the well-to-do, non-hourly paid workers who could get off work any time of day, did not have to worry about childcare, were not the elderly who simply could not show up at a certain place and a certain time to caste their vote.
In view of the above, not only is Hillary Clinton hands down the legitimate nominee but also the victim of a seriously flawed Democratic nominating process which you will see change as the years go by.
And let’s not forget that the same amount of people voted for them so far — less than 2% of the total separates them.
Posted by: Jane | May 10, 2008, 11:07 pm 11:07 pm
Vote and it would be the decision. Who are” they”, if You are alos among them.
Go and vote.
That would be the Word, not gossip.
Are these Super Adult people, who can make desicion, or kids, waiting for parents to make it for them?
Posted by: LINDA,FL | May 11, 2008, 8:49 am 8:49 am
I tried reading all of the comments…lol…
simply put, history tells us that a nomination process that has not been decided before the convention = a loss in the GE for dems.
this is why she should leave. nothing personal hillary, but at this point if w are to win in november then this phase of the nomination process needs to end now.
Posted by: david barton | May 11, 2008, 9:31 am 9:31 am
Who needs corrupt politicians like Jim Clyburn for support. CBS reporter Shryl Atkinson did a very revealing expose on this shady professional politician from South Carolina. Who needs Jim Clyburn? May be Obama, and for sure, not Hillary Clinton. Hillary Clinton running strong everywhere! Now, Obama folks are running scared having manipulated many a caucus with small groups of zealots. Obama has not won a single battle ground state! He’s been propped up by the big media for so long; the plan was to rid of Hillary Clinton, because she was the stronger candidate. She’s still running strong. She’s 43 points over Obama in WV. Obama was mouthing “change” but he has always been the darling of big media and the corporate candidate. But the people in this country are behind Sen. Hillary Clinton all the way! Look, conservative political writers David Brooks, William Kristol, Robert Novak and others who were promoting and pulling for Obama and condemned Hillary Clinton are now turning back to McCain. All that was a big media ploy to defeat Hillary Clinton and but these guys are just about ready to poke a big hole in Obama’s presedential balloon!
Sen. Hillary Clinton should run as an independent candidate for president in the fall–I bet she can defeat both Obama and McCain. This would be like Sen. Joe Lieberman who lost in the democratic primary, but won in the general election! She could also get 80 million in public financing. Bill Clinton won a three-way race in’92, remember? Dump the creeps in the corrupt DNC!
Let’s hope and pray for Independent Hillary for 08!
Posted by: charleychaplin | May 11, 2008, 9:58 am 9:58 am
Charlie Chaplin, I’m concerned myself that the media will turn around and attack Obama with the same ferocity that Clinton was attacked, if he is the nominee. I think the splintering between the two groups of supporters has been supported by media to a certain extent.
Posted by: kathy | May 11, 2008, 11:56 am 11:56 am
It is indeed sad that this political contest has come down to these issues, gender, age, race, media bias and dirty, corrupt, politics. And of course, Obama would not be ahead if not for these issues. It has absolutely nothing to do with character or policy issues. Just dirty politics–Chicago style and it may be going to Washington.
Posted by: Mary | May 11, 2008, 5:31 pm 5:31 pm
The dirty little secret that the Democratic Party doesn’t want anyone to know about the Democratically controlled (Do Nothing) Congress:
George W. Bush has an abysmally low favorability rating – the lowest it’s ever been. Yeah, Yeah, Yeah. We all know that. So???????
Guess who’s favorability is lower?????
That Democratically controlled CONGRESS!
(Theirs comes in at 22% even lower than Bush who’s at least in the 30′s).
Posted by: Reagan Democrat | May 12, 2008, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm