How Badly Is the Presumptive Democratic Nominee Going to Be Shellacked in W.V.?

He doesn’t get the majority of the uneducated white vote in a democratic primary in Bubbaland, we get it. What’s your point exactly? Idaho, Wyoming and Utah, all voted for him in their democratic primary. Yeah, I know those states don’t count as far as Hillary is concerned, but the point is WHITE people from real small states voted for Obama. He can win them over.
Bush has a 27% approval rating–John McCain is a third Bush term.
Who will uneducated white voters vote for in November? Will they vote based on racial bias or will they vote in what is in their best interest?
McCain – “I don’t really know much about economics, I’ll have to study on that.”

The “trickling” has nothing to do with lack of support. Obama has had massive superdelegate support since February. The trickling is strategic. They don’t want to appear to be shoving HRC out of the race. You’ll see 3-10 every day until he clinches. Which he will easily do by May 20th. He’s only 157 away from clinching. Which means he needs only 5-10 more days of steady superdelegate support, and 100 delegates from the remaining contests (an easy task – even after a whooping in Kentucky and WV)

He will be beat bad, but this is no surprise. Still it isn’t enough to overcome Obama’s lead. It is a good thing that there are a lot of states that vote.
Obama08

Oh yea 3 more supers today, and one of them a previous Clinton supporter. Drip, Drip, Drip.

I love that Obama’s perceived weakness with “white working class voters” is so pushed as impending doom. But, Hillary loses 92% of blacks and when Obama wins…its’ deemed a “black” state…smh

What Hillary supporters and the media tends to forget is,
Obama won Wisconsin, Missouri, Iowa, Nevada, Alaska, Colorado, Delaware, Idaho, Kansas, North Dakota, Utah, Nebraska, Maine, Vermont, Wyoming and Connecticut
Majority of white voters
The fact is, Obama has won more “white” states then “black” states

The DNC “rules” state that the nominee must have 2025 PLEDGED delegates to secure the nomination. Those superdelegates are nice to have, but their vote does not count for certain until they reach the convention floor and give their vote. Obama has invented new Obamamath for delegates! Maybe Obama should just declare himself president on May 20th and spare the nation all the bother of a general election.

WV and KY are CLINTON COUNTRY !!!!!!!!

Thank you for the clarification of presumptive nominee. According to recent Ramussen polling, Clinton has a very wide lead Kentucky. It’s still a competitive race. Of course, it would be in the interest of the Obama campaign for her to step down. But it wouldn’t be in the national interest. Hopefully, it gets played out to Puerto Rico where the Latino vote would be influenced towards Clinton. Contrary to McGovern, Dean et al, every vote should count, particularly in such a tight race.

For Hillary to say that she is going after the White blue collar worker vote and the older White American vote is rather insulting to these peoples’ intelligence. She does not give these American citizens credit for growing beyond the Civil War, but seems to be trying to carry them back to old and ignorant thinking. It is as if she is saying, if I can’t win this race, nobody is going to win, and that is sad. It does not play well for the country she says she loves or the party she says she is devoted to. Shame on you Hillary, we liked you much better when you and Bill weren’t playing divisive games. Many years ago, Governor George Wallace, who used to be a liberal, did the same thing after being beat out of an election by a right wing racist. He said it would never happen again, and he stopped being a liberal candidate, and won future elections. But we are in the 21st Century and those days are long gone for the United States of America.

To Mary E.
If you believe what you say, I think you should ask the schools where you got your 3 degrees for your money back!

Obama can not win enough pledged del.he caan not win and he knows it Hillary can’t win either. and the count is going to be a hair apart and she will have mor pop votes so she is not getting out
AND DO NOT CHANGE TO INDEPENDENT IF YOU HAVE NOT VOTED YET SOME PRIMARY’S ARE CLOSED IN UP COMING STATES.

Breaking News
We have 57 states! Source: Barack Hussein Obama

I think you Clinton supporters are in a meltdown now. You guys have some seriuos problems to address, and certainly are not making a convincing argument let a lone sense.

I can’t believe Obama said he’s been to 57 states… Very sad.

Let the people be heard; let the votes of people be counted.
The communist party led by Pelosi, Dean, Kennedy, Carter, Joe Andrew …sucks.
America need a new party.

Sad it’s very sad, that some people can not look any further, than rather the colour of the skin, even if this person is your best chance against mr. MC Cain.
Who already said he wil continue the war in Irak for many years by now.
But go ahead, this war wil only cost you billions of dollars each day ( wich is very good for the economy..yeah right )and the lives of your beloved ones who proudly serve in Irak.
C’mon bring the troops back home it’s time for a real change!
God bless America and Holland.

Dennis, thank you for reinforcing my previous assertion that almost any criticism of Obama is seen as racist. Blackness is the “New Teflon”; we are “not allowed” to criticize Obama without being called a racist. Dennis, did you ever stop to think MAYBE some of us dislike Obama’s political views, regardless of his skin color? My wife and I supported him at the beginning of the year… until we learned more about him. It is people like you who are making this election about race.

Pretty simple those who vote for Clinton Tuesday will vote for Mccain in Nov.

Seems there are two faces of tomdavie….
Which is the true one???

Trouble with the popular vote is that the many of the caucus states do not record the votes.
So I guess we can just leave those votes I suspose.
Then again Obama wasn’t even on the ballot in MI so his sum gain there was zero votes.
There is no way Hillarys math could work, or will work

Why is the media and her supporters treating her like she’s still a viable candidate in this race? There is no way for her to win. He has the most delegates, is now even with super delegates, has the most states and the most popular vote. He’s the one who brought millions of new voters in to the process. She made an early agreement not to count Florida and Michigan and now she’s reneging. This race is soooo over. Everyone acts like the queen deserves a consolation prize. She’s not the first candidate ever to lose a nomination. She’s such a “bitter” sore loser. It’s proof that she in it for herself.

Get over both Candidates new the rules, and delegate allocation. Hillary used the big state philosophy and is now loosing. Period. The irony is that she is now saying that Obama doesn’t care about the little states, and she needs them.
This is not a Republican contest, it is a Democratic contest. The demcrate rules apply.
She picked her approach, Obama his.
She is loosing, he is winning.
That is it.

@brianerickson65
Please don’t tell me you send this preacher money.

No, Barack is like a football team that has a 10 point lead with 1 and 1/2 minutes to go. Stuff can happen. The media can keep trying to blow the whistle early all they want, the referees will set the clock back. If Obama is so dang good, why will he get the stuffing beat out of him in places like West Virginia? Dems are toast with Obama as candidate, Hillary in four years. You’ve been hearing that from me for months.
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Obama and bittergate, we shall not forget!

The up coming states do count and the media knows that she can still win why did kennedy have 700 less than carter and he went to the floor tell Obama that acting at bush is pushing many voters away from him and the DNC for life

Of course Obama is going to lose WV and KY as they’re filled with bigot in the tradition of Pat Buchanan. But the fact of the matter is that Obama can easily win the presidency without those two states.

You Clinton supporters out there. Your hurting yes, but your hurt and hating isnt gonna change the fact that Obama will be the next President. Get on the train.
You doubted that he could beat Hillary, you laughed at him. Well he’s beaten Hillary and guess what, he’s gonna schlack McSame no matter how much you and O’Reilly try to smear him with guilt by association tactics.

Look he has to be President of all fifty states and at this point if he was Really JFK he could go into any state and win

Sean,
The game is not over yet, isn’t it? Obama is leading by Dems’ rule…
Obama won 10 black states and 6 red states from primaries, 13 caucuses…
Hillary won 17 states from primaries and 1 caucus.
Obama lose to majority of white votes, women votes, latino votes, and other minority votes…
May be in the end, Obama will be nominee by Dems’ rule.. Unfortunately, the General election rule is not set by Dems and Dems will loose without Clinton’s base…
By the way, there is no value left in this Obama hijacked Dems party…

As a Hillary Clinton supporter we understand the leadership in the DNC is pushing this puppet.
After the November elections the DNC will have to rise from the ashes to rebuild for 2012 with new leadership with Dean, Pelosi, Brazille and company kicked to the curb after the McGovern like loss. You know the 49 states losing strategy.

Obama crowning himself as the nominee is getting way ahead of himself. He has been getting less and less support by the middle class white vote, in fact he has been losing by larger margins in most categories. The only place he has held strong is with the AA population. Considering that the AA population is only 11%, this should be a huge concern to the Democratic Party and the superdelegates. This is just another show of arrogance, by an arrogant man. MSM needs to shut up and let this play out, otherwise the Democrats are going to lose in November, and not by just a small amount.

John Pen
If most of Hillary’s supporters won’t vote for Obama–then most Hillary supporters are stupid, cuz I bet you Hillary will vote for Obama. I bet Bill Clinton will vote for Obama. I bet Chelsea Clinton will vote for Obama. They aren’t going to take a chance on McCain getting elected hoping she can run again in 4 years. A lot can happen in 4 years.
I am going to assume the Clinton’s love this country and I am going to assume they are loyal democrats. They do not want another term of Bush policy—listen to her she says it every time she opens her mouth. She means it, really.
Obviously you don’t trust their judgment.

We should probably talk about Dean’s stupid 50 state strategy. If he ran this nominating process like the Republicans-Hillary would have won it already. No, we have to say that the votes in Utah, have as much value as Pennsylvania, and we all know how many times the Democrats have won Utah in the general election-0, zilch, nada. We also, according to Dean, have to give weighted numbers to the AA community in urban areas. Why does their vote count more than mine. We also know the cheating that has gone on in the caucuses by the Obama surrogates. He has already stolen more delegates than he should have. Say goodbye to the party and Dean’s unwinnable strategy.

I think Tomdavie is BI POLAR.. He must have some mental illness, or perhaps he’s taking some medication that clouds his reasoning.. If I am not mistaken, he used to post a lot of pro Hillary messages on here. I am not sure what happened. Again, maybe he’s not quite all right.

The election is based on all 50 states, not just the ones that Hillary has won or will win, I don’t care how big or small they are. Obama has had a 50-state strategy from the beginning with an army of volunteers working for him. He has won against the formidable Clinton machine which thought it would have the nomination wrapped up by Super Tuesday. Pretty impressive to me. The small guy winning against the big guy. He has followed the rules. That’s the kind of President I want. One who follows the rules and doesn’t think the rules don’t apply to them. Sounds a lot like more of Bush to me.

Hillary agreed to the rules of this primary. Too bad she didn’t read them first.
Mark Penn thought the primary states were winner take all so they didn’t need to compete in the caucus states. As I have said before, her bad. She made a strategic error. If you make a mistake and lose the game, you don’t get to go back, rewrite the rules to favor yourself and play it over.
Also, regardless of whether Utah or Idaho or any other state has voted democrat any time in recent history in the general election is irrelevant, democrats live in those states and should have a say in who represents them in the party. I am very tired of states being told they don’t count unless they meet some metric that the Clinton’s and her supporters don’t like.
And oh yeah, I just have to say this to all the gun totin’ democrat red necks out there. Hillary voted to have your guns taken away in a federal emergency. Obama voted against it. So let me ask, do you really believe she is a protector of the second amendment? Go look at her voting record.

If I was the Clinton’s I would really investigate voter fraud in the caucuses, NC, Gary Indiana,etc. Then I would sue Barack Obama and the DNC to hell and back.
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OBAMA THE FRAUD
DECEIVER, DIVIDER

The vicious tone of the comments is mind-boggling. Just think logically: Clinton may win big in W.Va, but she needs super big wins in all remaining six states and territories. She is 165 pledged delegates short. There are altogether 217 delegates left and she need to win 76% of them. This is not likely to happen. She may shorten Obama’s lead by twenty, maybe. Even if she got the 110 she is fighting for from MI and FL (which is not likely) she still would be behind Obama. To nominate her when Obama leads means to alienate the Black population. Her own husband never won the majority of the White vote, but he did win the majority of the Black vote and the majority of Latino: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._presidential_election,_1992. And if the nomination is stolen from Obama (à la Bush 2000) the Black may sit out in November.

John Pen,
I agree with you.. I LOL when I read that Obama has been getting all these “small” donations from the common folks .. haha

Yeah and we will do it again if Obama wins. I thought we Americans got a bit smarter after Bush II. I guess not.

FIRST OF ALL OBAMA IS NOT THE SMALL GUY….HE IS BACKED THE DEMOCRATE POWER MACHINE INCLUDING TED KENNEDY, DEAN, PELOSI AND KERRY. PLUS OBAMA HAS RECEIVED OVER $200 MILLION IN CAMPAIGN MONEY….THAT MONEY AIN’T COMING FROM $25 COLLEGE KID OR AFRICAN -AMERICAN DONATIONS.
YOU FIGURE OUT WHERE ALL THIS RECORD BREAKING MONEY IS COMING FROM, BUT MANY OF HIS ANTI-AMERICAN AND ANTI-WHITE FRIENDS HAVE ACCESS TO BILLIONS OF DOLLARS.

He’d lose by less than 10 points.

To tomdavie
HEY Hillary has NOT lost and your boy is going NOWHERE!
I have heard it all that you kool-Aid drinkers have said. If Hillary supporters do not vote for Obama then they are RACIST,STUPID,OUT OF TOUCH,ETC.
WELL Guess what WE WILL NEVER GET ON BOARD WITH OBAMA. ANYONE is better than that EMPTY SUIT.CHANGE,CHANGE just like Bush promised. EMPTY promises. NOT even the MEDIA and the DNC can fool all the people, just the Kool-Aid Drinkers.

First, he was always supposed to lose West Virginia and lose by a substantial margin. Second, consider these numbers:
Idaho: Obama 79 Clinton 17
Nebraska: Obama 68 Clinton 32
Washington: Obama 68 Clinton 31
Hawaii Obama 76 Clinton 24
Kansas Obama 74 Clinton 26
Minnesota Obama 67 Clinton 32
No candidate can win every state, and all candidates take a shellacking at some point, even the eventual nominee.
Posted by: jayhawkdem
OK, but consider:
Idaho was a caucus state
Clinton – 3,665
Obama – 16,880
EC – 4
Nebraska was a caucus state
Clinton – 12,445
Obama – 26,126
EC – 5
Washington was a caucus state
Clinton – 9,992
Obama – 21,629
EC – 11
Hawaii was a caucus state
Clinton – 8,835
Obama – 28,347
EC – 4
Kansas was a caucus state
Clinton – 9,462
Obama – 27,172
EC – 6
Minnesota was a caucus state
Clinton – 68,350
Obama – 141,451
EC – 10
Total Obama EC = 40
Compare with:
Florida was a CLOSED PRIMARY state
Clinton – 857,208
Obama – 569,041
EC – 27
Michigan was a PRIMARY state (I don’t know if it was CLOSED, OPEN, OR SEMI-OPEN)
Clinton – 328,151
Obama – ?
EC – 17
Total Clinton EC = 44
If you look at the breakdown, a few things should be quite obvious
1.) Obama does better in Caucus states. I wonder why? Maybe intimidation?
2.) Clinton does better in Primary states. Based on experience?
3.) Caucuses don’t reflect what the General Election vote will be. Frequently, the vote is not even reported, yet PLEDGED AND UNPLEDGED delegates are assigned? How is this done?
4.) The Electoral College value of some very large, but lightly-populated states is relatively small.
5.) The Electoral College value of some medium and large, densly-populated state is quite large.
6.) A savvy candidate can do more with two states (EC=44) than another candidate can do with six states (EC=40)
7.) Hillary needs to have the Florida/Michigan situation resolved on an “as is” basis. Obama thinks he doesn’t need them, so he is waiting out the clock, or so he thinks.
8.) I he doesn’t challenge Hillary in WV and KY, she not only increases her popular vote count, but she also picks up 15 EC votes. I know that EC votes do not count in the Primary, but I also know that the “Super Delegates” are going to really consider them if they have to vote in Denver, as they indicate the STRENGTH of a candidate with regard to winning the General Election, where it is winner take all, based on the Popular Vote in each state.
9.) Only 270 Electoral Votes are needed to win the General Election, a point not lost on George W. Bush.
So, is Obama going to be the whupee in WV and KY, and possibly more contests? I certainly hope so.
Please excuse the formatting, but it is such a pain to make everything look purdy, especially when it is obvious that few, if any will read one of my posts.

I wonder if MSNBC will have any coverage of Tuesdays W.V. Primary.

Tim,
Yes, he has to release the names of any donor when the donation is $200 or more. As does Hillary. Donations that are smaller are not listed by name, until they reach that amount ($200). So basically he could provide a list, he just is not required to do so. I am sure he would if you ask him real nice though.
So maybe you are right, the evil Muslims are hoarding their pennies and sending them in slowly, to aid their brother to take over the WORLD…hehehehehe

On msnbc the talking head said Obama can pick a woman and that will bring them back in line that is why we have to get this settled and come together here is a word I have not used since 1969 GF Ican’t burn my bra again they cost to much but I can protest by not voting for Obama women are sixty % of the dem party and I am not talking newbies you never know if young kids are going to vote .

Just think logically: Clinton may win big in W.Va, but she needs super big wins in all remaining six states and territories. She is 165 pledged delegates short. There are altogether 217 delegates left and she need to win 76% of them.
Alindra
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Sorry, alindra, but Hillary is only 78 PLEDGED delegates behind. You are making the same mistake as the rest of the Obama supporters here; you are counting ‘Super Delegates” as PLEDGED. N.B.(Nota bene), “Super Delegates” do not come into play until there is a DEADLOCKED CONVENTION and they are supposed to all be UNPLEDGED and to not be involved at this time.
What is happening is a great effort to manipulate one or another candidate into an untenable position, by convincing their backers and supporters that that candidate cannot possibly win, because the other has all the marbles (delegates). Again, n.b., that is not the way this game is played, and Hillary knows what she is doing.
You can think as logically as you want, but it would help to get your facts straight first. In addition, the key issue for “Super Delegates” is, “Which of these candidates can BEST bring about a victory for the Democratic Party in the General Election. Believe me, if it comes to a DEADLOCKED convention, the “Super Delegates” are not going to be TOTALLY concerned with who has the most marbles. Their responsibility is to the party, not to the candidate who jumps up and down and says, “Hey, look, I’ve got all the marbles, I won, I won.”

What Clinton people? What? You really want Monica back in the oval office? I think having Larry Sinclair there would be a refreshing and welcome change, in this a Change election. I guarantee Larry’s antics will keep the lobbyists out of the white house! Back off pundits! (brushing off the shoulders)

THIS RACE IS FAR FROM OVER.
NEITHER OBAMA OR HILLARY CAN GET TO THE 2,025 DELEGATES NEEDED…THEREFORE THE SUPERDELEGATES WILL DECIDE WHO IS THE BEST CANDIDATED TO BEAT MCCAIN…PERIOD.
THAT’S ALL THAT MATTERS IS WHO CAN BEAT MCCAIN….AND HILLARY BY WINNING ALL THE BIG STATES WITH THE MOST ELECTORAL VOTES, AND HILLARY WON ALL THE SWING STATES THAT DECIDE THE ELECTION…MAKES HILLARY THE OBVIOUS CHOICE TO BEAT MCCAIN….PERIOD.
THE SUPERDELEGATES REALIZE THIS AND WANT TO BEAT MCCAIN, AND PUT A DEMOCRATE IN THE WHITE HOUSE FOR THE NEXT 4 YEARS….THEY WILL REALIZE HILLARY IS THE CANDIDATE THEY NEED TO SELECT TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN…PERIOD.

Well who contributed to the Clinton library and why are they refusing to release that info. What’s the big deal unless they are hiding something.

John Pen, if this is a known fact of where Obama is getting his donations, could you please provide me with the links. I’d love to read about it for myself. Thanks

IT CERTAINLY IS KNOWN THAT OBAMA HAS MANY ANTI-AMERICAN AND ANTI-WHITE FRIENDS THAT HAVE ACCESS TO BILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
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I can’t stop Laughing can hardly type this>

tomdavie,
Real adult attitude. Typical Obama nonsense.

Then John Pen it is only speculation on your part on where the money is coming from.

@ John Pen.
Avg donation to the Obama campaign is $109, 1.5 million people had donated as of May 6th, 2008. That’s why Hillary, in her speech after the PA win, started asking for $5 donations, because it works! 100 superdelegates endorsed Clinton before the campaign even began. They didn’t endorse Edwards, or Biden, or Obama. It was her, the favored to win. She had the name recognition. That’s why she got 55% of the vote in Michigan when Obama, Edwards and all the other Democratic candidates took their names off the ballot, following the rules. Anyone who says Obama was/is somehow more powerful than the Clintons is delusional.
She would not win against McCain because she is not trusted. Even in Indiana, with her squeaker win, 45% of Democrats said they don’t trust her. She has not been vetted in this campaign. She thinks the Republicans won’t bring up her baggage. Yeah right! She has been courting the conservative media during this campaign, including former members of what she called the “right wing conspiracy”, hoping they won’t trash her if she becomes the nominee. Not going to happen. Vote for McCain if you want. If you do, you don’t really care about the Democratic party and should leave it anyways.

Obama supporters and African Americans need to stop believing the are the CHOSEN PEOPLE OF GOD. Senator Obama is just another politican who will say and do anything to get the nomination. He ceraintly is not god-like in any way. He is not a leader in any way but is very good at distorting facts about his campaign and his opponents. If his name is on the November ballot he will lose and he knows it well.

@disgusted – Extremely fishy and really not credible. Either Obama has him duct-taped to a chair somewhere in a dark basement or the Very Wrong Reverend Wright is off on a cruise after being paid off by Obama for his “performance.”
However, what Manning said in the video might be enough to make Wright cast ashore and defend his uh, manhood. lol.
A Proud, Black, Hillary Supporter
Rise, Hillary, Rise!’08

Obama not even bothering to show up in West Vitginia is this what I am reading….a no show here.
Also when I think like an american thinker i now connect the dots to why the superdelgates decide to vote for B.0. It’s all about the currency…real and percieved.
Superdelegates include a large number of elected officials (all Democratic governors and Congressmen and other Democratic Party mandarins) who need to run their own campaigns, now and in the future. All politicians loathe the grind they need to endure to fundraise: endless phone calls asking for money, parties and events they need to attend to generate support, names they need to recall, egos they need to soothe and massage.
How helpful it would be to have one source they can rely upon to avoid some of the the money grubbing they have to engage in to run a campaign?
They now have one: Barack Obama.
His website admits that it
“reserves the right to make personal information available to organizations with similar political viewpoints and objectives, in furtherance of its own political objectives”.
Clearly, Barack Obama intends to wield this power for his own political purposes. He can channel donations and, more importantly information (after all, we live in the Information Age) to other candidates to help them when they run for office. Even if Senator Obama fails to become President, he will become a power broker in the years to come. He owns a gold mine and will permit other candidates to dig for supporters and donors **. These candidates include the crucial few hundred superdelegates whose support he needs to become the Democratic nominee for President.
Are there any indications that Barack Obama — who prides himself on being above political gamesmanship — would engage in such a strategy?
Yes. He has been doing so under the radar screen for years. The Center for Responsive Politics — a non-partisan group — has “opened a fascinating window into the world of superdelegates” in the words of this ABC News report (which notes that Hillary has also used this tactic, but that Obama — perhaps because he has more money to play with — has been sending a much larger amount of money to superdelegates).
Since 2005, Barack Obama has donated three times as much as Senator Clinton to Democratic superdelagates. The study found that the presidential candidate who gave more money to superdelegates received the endorsements 82 percent of the time. As noted in the Weekly Standard,
“…if 82 percent of the superdelegates are endorsing the candidate who donated more to them, that’s indicative of something other than a belief in the “audacity of hope”. It sounds more like old-fashioned bribery”
It is a sad statement about the Democratic Party that a few hundred superdelegates may, in essence, be casting their lot for Barack Obama in order to bolster their own campaigns.

THIS RACE IS FAR FROM OVER.
NEITHER OBAMA OR HILLARY CAN GET TO THE 2,025 DELEGATES NEEDED…THEREFORE THE SUPERDELEGATES WILL DECIDE WHO IS THE BEST CANDIDATED TO BEAT MCCAIN…PERIOD.
THAT’S ALL THAT MATTERS IS WHO CAN BEAT MCCAIN….AND HILLARY BY WINNING ALL THE BIG STATES WITH THE MOST ELECTORAL VOTES, AND HILLARY WON ALL THE SWING STATES THAT DECIDE THE ELECTION…MAKES HILLARY THE OBVIOUS CHOICE TO BEAT MCCAIN….PERIOD.
THE SUPERDELEGATES REALIZE THIS AND WANT TO BEAT MCCAIN, AND PUT A DEMOCRATE IN THE WHITE HOUSE FOR THE NEXT 4 YEARS….THEY WILL REALIZE HILLARY IS THE CANDIDATE THEY NEED TO SELECT TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN…PERIOD.

Ok, let’s play the A game. These are donors to Hillary on that same site. SO WHAT. What’s in a name. Do you know these contributors. You are all racists for bringing these names up.
Abboud, Ghassan
Abdalla, Hisham
Abdalla, Mohammad
Abdalla, Nadia
Abdalla, Rabai
ABDALLA, SAMER
Abdalla, Seham
Abdalla, Suha
Abdallah, Iman
Abdallah, Khaled
Abdeen, Ziad
Abdelhady, Omar
Abdelhamid, Reema
Abdellatif, Ossama
Abdelmuti, Ashraf
Abdelnur, Susana
Abdelrasoul, Brenda
Abdenour, Paul
Abdesaken, Fataneh
Abdi, Abraham
Abdi, Mina
Abdi, Sara
ABDO, JAMES
ABDO, JOHN
Abdoulah, Colleen
Abdullah, Aslim
Abdullah, Bayan
Abdullah, Faisal
Abdullah, Suha
Abdullah, Waleed
Abdullatif, Mahmoud
Abdulsamad, Ogab
Abdunnabi, Daniel
Abedin, Sarah
Abegaz, Dawit

There are over 470 remaining votes in the campaign, including pledged and supers.
470 is a bigger number than 161, right?
So there are enough votes left for Obama to win. Easily.
Posted by: fontapa
USING YOUR LOGIC WITH 470 REMAINDING VOTES LEFT TO DECIDE….HILLARY CERTAINLY CAN WIN…RIGHT?

LOL Leelee, it’s like Hillary and Bosnia in sniper fire. But she kept repeating it though, 4 times. Come on, they are all exhausted and I feel bad for both campaigns. This has gone on so long. And Obama has 2 little girls that need their dad. I just hope this ends soon.

Obama has 2 little girls that need their dad. I just hope this ends soon.
Posted by: lisa | May 10
OBAMA SHOULD GO HOME TO SOUTH CHICAGO WITH HIS FRIENDS REV. WRIGHT AND THE NEW REV OTIS AND AYERS AND REZKO, AND GO GET SOME REAL EXPERIENCE RUNNING CHICAGO….BEFORE HE THINKS HE CAN RUN AMERICA.

Meanwhile, some of the Clintons’ most thoughtful counselors are trying to talk her down calmly — almost like a family intervention — to get her concede the Democratic presidential race when the appropriate time comes, in such a way as to heal some of the wounds to the party and to both candidates but allow her to make her best case for the vice presidency.
No one I have spoken to who knows her well doubts that, as she reconciles to the likelihood that her presidential campaign is falling short, she will aggressively, she will aggressively seek the vice presidential spot. One reason: Contrary to common belief, she doesn’t look forward to going back to the Senate. Many Democratic senators believe that she would not have an easy time winning an election for majority leader; the tenor and tactics of her presidential campaign have pushed away some Democrats.
CNN

Lisa,
“And Obama has 2 little girls that need their dad. I just hope this ends soon.”
IF he becomes President he isn’t going to have time for them. That’s what happens when you get in the “Big Time”. He made the choice to run, he needs to deal with it.

@Lisa – Yeah, no doubt, both Obama and Hillary are both a little punchy from all the campaigning. However, it did add some needed humor to the day, so it wasn’t all bad. Let’s just hope everybody does the right thing so our long, national nightmare can soon be over, if not for us, then for the sake of the children. :D
A Proud, Black, Hillary Supporter
Rise, Hillary, Rise!’08

regarding counting the votes…i do not know what will transpire, however you guys need to remember that none of the delegates, super, or the ones won in the states are bound to vote as they are now assigned. they can change their votes if they want to. nothing regarding the delegates is written in stone.

Say hello to our 7 new states … Obama may be thinking of expanding the US of A. Hence the freudian slip 57 states.
51. Puerto Rico
52. Guam
53. Northern Mariana
54. American Samoa
55. St. Croix
56. St. Thomas
57. St. John

Bobbi,
He won’t carry California. The best he’ll do is carry San Fransico.

OBAMA LOST TO HILLARY IN OHIO, PENNSYLVANIA, MICHIGAN AND FLORIDA.
THESE ARE ALL SWING STATES THAT COULD GO EITHER DEMOCRATE OR REPUBLIC…AND THEY WILL DECIDE THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.
OBAMA CAN NOT WIN IN EITHER OHIO AND PENNSYLVANIA BECAUSE OF HIS “BITTER” SMALL TOWN AMERICAN STATEMENT…AND HE CAN NOT WIN IN FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN BECAUSE HE STOPPED THOSE TWO STATES FROM DOING A RE-VOTE.
HILLARY WILL WIN THE CRUCIAL STATES OF PA, OHIO, FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN…AND BE OUR NEXT PRESIDENT.

At the end of the primary they will be very close in pledged delagates maybe even tied.He can’t win without super del

Actualy I read a report that if Cal was to vote today that Obama would carry the state over Clinton

fontapa,
You are a Mainer? It doesn’t show. LOL

I’ll take my bible and my “typical white woman” behind to the polls in November and vote McCain.Posted by: J | May 10, 2008 10:32:18 PM
Right on J, I’m with you on that.

bluebird and j,
me too

Might win by 30 points???? No the might is by 50 points. 30 points is guarenteed.

Clinton is an explosive candidate, if she doesn’t get her way it is hard to tell what would happen.
Real Presidential material, I tell ya. I think one need to look at hopw unstable she is.
Obama08

ron
WV is not republican state, bush won in 2000 & 2004 because democrats nominated 2 idiots. No democrats won White house without winning WV in the last 100 years. check the facts

Well then the presidential election should just be held in WV then.
No point in wasting our time and money in the other 49 states.
Obama08

Mare said
Amazing how the back stabbing, fence jumping democrats are so quick to turn their backs on Hillary.
Do you have any idea what the Clintons have done to so many people to keep their legacy in tact. They are bullies and that’s why people don’t want them back in the white house. They feel it is owed to them, no thanks

B,
I agree. There is just too many unknowns about Obama for me to vote for him. Also the knowns are a bit much for my liking.

He will lose it and I believe he is trying to give Senator Clinton the contest so she can exit with dignity. He has enough supporters to reduce her lead significantly.
I respect the way he is handling this chapter of the ongoing saga. He respects Senator Clinton and at times I don’t think she is as respectful as he is towards her??
In any event I hope she can exit with her dignity in tact.
In a nutshell here is my sincere thoughts:
I have been a democratic voter for many elections and I have never seen a woman or black man create so much excitement.
I believe that the Obama appeal is his background and his platform to work with ordinary Americans. He understands what prejudice is and he didn’t grow up having everything, but his single (white) mother gave him the tools and support he needed to work towards earning a good education and self improvement. I believe he wants to “Unite” people and energize them as equals to do the best they can to live the American dream and that is truly a new dynamic.
I believe he will work for all the people and that is a very important part of being Commander and Chief of the greatest nation on earth.
I am proud to say I went into the California primary booth to actually vote for Senator Clinton because I knew who she was and out of nowhere I voted for Obama, a light went on in my head in the voter’s booth and I couldn’t forget his theme “CHANGE YOU CAN BELIEVE IN”. I thought for a few more seconds about some of his campaign slogans and things he brings to the table, so I voted for Obama.
I think all Americans need something to believe in and someone who understands the human condition before political fallout.

lisa and fontapa…what part of being the president of the us of America don’t you get? you are not the president of the us of african-america. i want some one who is proud to be an american, not euro-american, or asian-american, but some one who considers this their country and does not split their patronage. EVEN, goddess oprah, calls herself an “american”.

Let the Lady have her due ….let her have her chance with the voters….Screw the math , Obama led by about 170 votes max. there are 5 primaries left at least and almost 270 undecided Superdelegates who could independently and supposed to be independently decide either way …That is a total of more than 350 delegates left or at least 300 …Then why you Obama people want Hillary to quit??? the heck with you …what about us who support Hillary and the rest of White, working-class , women voters , seniors , latino, asian people who support her ????Aren’t we not counted ???? the Heck with Unity of the Party ! Since when does that trump justice and fairness and polictical well-being of the nation??? this is the view of Partisan Liberal San Franciscan folks who probably make a lot of money yet know nothing and probably do nothing for the country when it matters any way …..you guys can go back to your Liberal city where most of you think of us as bitter …because we ARE BITTER now that you try to force your wills on us …we ARE bitter now that you want us to roll over and play dead so that your candidate can be the nominee and so that the Republican can win in Nov….We are extremely BITTER now that we Will vote Mc Cain in Nov. if Obama is the nominee….you bet we are bitter …..we are bitter that Pelosi , Dean , and Reed out of jeolousy of the Clintons want to fool us with their Unity of the Party B.S….we are Bitter and for your shake , watch it……go Hillary…..

alohaone,
i think you have really hit on a larger issue…the disgust with reid, pelosi and dean, and the way they have squandered their opportunities these past couple years, and now embracing bho. for all their faults, the clintons have been successful in their individual political careers in working for their constituents for the better.
there is no eveidence of any sort of accomplishments for bho in the state or the us senate.

no, yavo lem, it is not smart, but is how they do it…ha.

Obama is against Universal Healthcare.

I wish Hillary could win as an independent, but I fear that a write-in vote for her or no vote at all will result in a win for Obama. The best way to stop Obama if he is the Democratic candidate, is to vote for McCain. Better a Republican centrist, than an inexperienced, deceptive, ruthless, divisive, racist Obama.

Susan, you just described the Clintons

Idaho, Wyoming and Utah voted for Obama, because we did not know about his spirtual advisor Wright and Obama’s allegiange with Black theology. We did not know of his ties with Hamas and we didn’t know Michelles hate for America.

Lisa,
How is B fearful of him? She stated legitimate concerns about him. The only part I didn’t agree with was the dual citizenship. I am also have been a democrat for 30+ years. His wife is has never in her adult life until now has been proud of America. I have a real problem with that. I also have a problem with Wright, Ayers and Rezko as well as his condescending remarks about “typical white woman”, and gun totin , bible thumping bigots.

Questioner–
History lesson — Dewey Beats Truman -NOT Roosevelt.
The game isn’t over, the delegates don’t vote until the convention. I don’t think Hillary will take it there, however. She doesn’t want to hurt the party. She really doesn’t. If after all the primaries are done voting, Obama has the majority of pledged delegates she will probably step back. However, she will hold all of her delegates until the convention. If anything were to happen between now and the convention that makes Obama “unelectable” (whatever that means) then she could possibly be chosen by delegates defecting to her.
It is unlikely but it could happen. I hope it doesn’t happen, I am an Obama supporter but if it does and it is for legitimate reasons, I will vote democratic because that is what we all need to do.

Thanks rrt and cat…for reading my post ….someone better stop the arrogance that is coming from the Obama’s camp ….Let me post an ealier comment of mine…here .
I say for the shake of justice and fairness we should screw this Dem. party if they continue to force Hillary out …. they are biased against her and do not deserve to win in Nov. …If you in the name of the party let this injustice go un-noticed, you are not doing yourselves any favor ….you are just an partisan idiot ….that’s it ….I say do what is right even if the party go up in flames , that is the only way to fix it , otherwise, you are aiding injustice for the partisan purpose ……..If something is broken , then smash it and re-build , it may take some time and some sweat , but it is better than to leave it the rotten way it is , because it will never get fixed , no one will have the courage , ever…..Rules are rules , and they apply to anyone ….any one deserve the fair chance ….why a junior inexperient senator with a troubling view and much more troubling associations get the chance and a woman can not ????Hillary got her garbage , but at least we know what it is ….Where as in Obama , he was never properly vetted …..the Dem. better do it before the Republican do…..How many stuffs do we not know about Obama ….and his 20 years in Wright’s church …..He is not what he claims to be ….and worse yet , while Hillary is no saint , she is NOT as Anti-American as Obama is , and she does not and never buy into those “US injected Black with AIDS Virus” that Obama’s pastor has been feeding him for the last 20 years. Wake up Dem. voters before it is toooo late …No Obama ..

i thought bho was to be a uniter? and what is this about “his culture?” he is of black and white parents!!! the black/african american culture is only in the minds of those who use it. bho embraces that title because it benefits him.
those who use the african-american title do so to BE divisive. they WANT a separate identity. they do not want to be “just plain old americans”. if they were there would be nothing left that was different or “special”. dear lord, what would happen to affirmative action?

Tina from Florida,
You should watch him at the townhall meeting in Oregon.
He allowed some audiences to ask him some questions.
The way he treated them was not very nice , I don’t know either he was tired or what.
He did not seem respect those audiences.
The first few minutes he said: eh,,eh,,eh,, and said you can take a look at my website.
I had to listen carefully what he said, it was not smooth answer.

Reaganfan,
Why West Virginians should be ashamed because they vote for Hillary?
In the other words you mean AA in SC & NC should be ashamed because they vote for Obama?

rrt:
Blacks voted for John Kerry 80-90% in
2004! They have had to vote for
whites all their lives!
What’s wrong with blacks voting for a
viable black candidate?

Blacks voted for John Kerry 80-90% in
2004! They have had to vote for
whites all their lives!
What’s wrong with blacks voting for a
viable black candidate?Posted by: reaganfan
Nothing is wrong with it and I respect that. I just wish blacks would consider more in their choice. That’s all. I think that’s what the stink is all about.

Reagan fan:
I guess anyone who feels that when 92% of the black vote in North Carolina, and 91% of the black vote in Philadelphia are pro-Obama is reverse-racism…. is racist in your book.
There are white people in the mix too so in essence, THEY are the ONLY non-racist voters .
And I guess it’s OK for B O’s followers to threaten Clinton and McCain’s supporters with riots in the streets….
and all that sort of grown up stuff.
But here’s the thing:
Obama has already changed the outlook of the voters of this nation. He has chinked our viewpoint with a taste of how it could be… and was…. in the early fifties!.
I don’t think this is the change you were looking for…
But just remember that would along with such a sorry-assed change which most of you don’t want… and neither do we…. might come the exodus of the many benefits of affirmative action.
I think we need to use our brains when we vote rather than our scorn…. and consider our country before our party.
As for me, when I see B O, I see the color green and an empty smile.
And what I remember most is him standing on the podium encapsulated in 7 or 8 American flags as he spoke up for Pastor Wright and down for his white grandmother.
Thereafter, he made another speech AGAINST his pastor….. proving that in Obama’s world two wrights can still be a wrong.
I approve of this post!

Posted by: rrt | May 11, 2008 1:30:18 AM
I second that. Couldn’t have said it better myself.

I think folks trying to force Clinton out of the race is hurting the party.
It angers the 15 million Clinton supporters even more, not to mention the last states who want to vote.
Posted by: tomdavie | May 10, 2008 4:07:56 PM

rrt,
Yeah they did push BHO on us. But the fact is half the country didn’t buy it. This should be a wake up call to all Americans do DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH about the candidates from here on out and don’t let the MSM or Dean, Pelosi or anybody else tell you who to vote for!

reality check. looks like the democratic party is re aligning thats all. 1/2 the democrat’s may go republican, or indenpendent, women, hispanics, working class, and many disgruntled hillary supporters who feel the party abandoned them. new voters will make up some of the difference. in the end the republican party may end out stronger than ever. and maybe the democratic party will end out sort of like a little third party, made up of blacks, young voters, and elites. in either case it will be interesting. and in the end the fat cats and both our candidates all go back to their nice affluent lives, while the rest of us morons try to figure out how to pay the gas bill. neither candidate is going to dump the status quo-we are just the grunts that pay their salaries. if you are all excited expecting change or a personal invitation to the white house for some kool aid, boy are you in for a dissappointment. how to survive under the bus in 3 easy steps 1) avoid being run over by the tires 2) don’t lift your head underneath the muffler and do not inhale 3) pack a lunch, and a hankie it is going to be a long 4 years-just think by the time you crawl out from under the bus 1/2 of you will be one of those annoying older voters. i will wave as i go by on the Straight Talk Express’ and toss you some birth control pills.

Posted by: Chantel | May 11, 2008 5:01:05 AM
thanks…never thought of it that way. i guess i was more focused on the 90% thing…

Posted by: tomdavie | May 11, 2008 5:09:58 AM
after 36 years of being a devoted dem, and never having voted republican, i too am leaving the party.

Posted by: tomdavie | May 11, 2008 5:27:24 AM
think i have too many beliefs that do not fit in the republican party. i would like to see a third party come out of this democratic riff, perhaps a more centrist party. i am ready. perhaps it will be born of more civility.

if you question the patriotism and abilities of a candidate…. you should not vote for him!
Clinton is definitely my first choice; If I am not given the opportunity to vote for her then I will definitely vote for McCain.. and hope that the checks and balances supposedly put into effect by the Constitution will come into play when it comes to the war>
Afterwards, I believe the Democratic Party should be dismantled and redesigned so that this circus of an election can never occur again.

in the usa the blacks are what, 12% of the population? and bho gets 90%…not great math bho supporters.

I’m changing my registration from democrat to republican the day the DNC nominates this clown, maybe even sooner. The democratic party’s behavior this year towards michigan and florida voters, plus the dnc’s sexist bias against hillary has been atrocious and I want no part of their “new” coalition. I will not support a lying, fraud who sympathizes with terrorists and surrounds himself with radical racist advisors, mentors and funders. bo is a disgrace. this is a not a personality contest. his questionable agenda and connections are a serious threat to our national security.

News – USA got 7 more states. Obama thinks there are 57 states in USA.
We want this person to be our president?
What a joke…

Ya know, the Clinton years left the ‘specialty brand of white folks’ without jobs, didn’t materialize on health care and due to Clinton’s poor management, they even lost the white house majority, so democrats became ineffective… over time we saw the results of it… not during the internet boom of Clinton’s years… But, at least the internet has come back to bite him… it’s provided us with a new voter base so the ‘specialty brand of whites’ (yes, I’m white and female) won’t have so much chance to assist their tough sounding Dem or stupid GOP … the so-called Guts and Glory hyped-up candidates of the old political machine.

What Hillary supporters and the media tends to forget is,
Obama won Wisconsin, Missouri, Iowa, Nevada, Alaska, Colorado, Delaware, Idaho, Kansas, North Dakota, Utah, Nebraska, Maine, Vermont, Wyoming and Connecticut
Majority of white voters
The fact is, Obama has won more “white” states then “black” states
Posted by: Vanessa | May 10, 2008 5:58:21 PM
Obama has won more caucuses than primaries.

“Almost Heaven, West Virginia”
Apparently not for B.O.

Sen. Hillary Clinton should run as an independent candidate for president in the fall–I bet she can defeat both Obama and McCain. This would be like Sen. Joe Lieberman who lost in the democratic primary, but in the general election! Hillary sould dump all those losers in the DNC. Bill Clinton won in a three way race in ’92, remember?
Vote for Independent Hillary 08!

Hillary Clinton running strong everywhere! Now, Obama folks are running scared having manipulated many a caucus with small groups of zealots. Obama has not won a single battle ground state! Sen. Hillary Clinton should run as an independent candidate for president in the fall and I bet she can defeat both Obama and McCain. This would be like Sen. Joe Lieberman who lost in the democratic primary, but won in the general election! She could also get 80 million in public financing. Dump the creeps in the DNC!
Let’s hope and pray for Independent Hillary for 08!

She’ll beat him by more than 30 points. That’s also a swing state he’s IGNORING. Popular vote means plenty to Super Delegates. Winning states we will need to win in November means plenty to Super Delegates.
Any major white votes Mr. Hope got in earlier states was because the racist Rev. Wright was an unknown to them. I’m sure there’s millions who wish they could take their votes back and they will IN NOVEMBER….should Mr. Hope be allowed to STEAL this election by not counting MI and FL.

You want to finally see a third party? All HRC has to do is announce ala Leiberman that she’s gonna run as an Independent. We’ve been waiting to rid ourselves of the 2 party system for a long long time. Now that the DNC is re-making themselves into ONLY the young and inner city voter ( see Donna Brazile for more info), its time for an Independent President.

Hillary Clinton running strong everywhere! Now, Obama folks are running scared having manipulated many a caucus with small groups of zealots. Obama has not won a single battle ground state! He’s been propped up by the big media for so long, that’s to get rid of Hillary Clinton. Obama is the corporate candidate. But people are behind Sen. Hillary Clinton all the way! For example, conservative political writers like David Brooks, William Kristol, Robert Novak and others who were promoting and pulling for Obama and condemned Hillary Clinton are now turning back to McCain. All that was a big media ploy and just about to poke a hole in Obama’s balloon!
Sen. Hillary Clinton should run as an independent candidate for president in the fall–I bet she can defeat both Obama and McCain. This would be like Sen. Joe Lieberman who lost in the democratic primary, but won in the general election! She could also get 80 million in public financing. Bill Clinton won a three-way race in’92, remember? Dump the creeps in the DNC!
Let’s hope and pray for Independent Hillary for 08!

The Democratic nomination has already
been won by Obama.
H “Repulsive” Clinton is tilting at
windmills for nothing. It’s garbage time. The game is already over.

the redundant pundits continue to push the notion that a ticket with clinton on it would not be in the best interest of the country. hmm, seems the people pushing this idea are nervous about a former successful, popular, highly intelligent and patriotic two term president as the spouse of either the next president or vice president. interesting how they can pontificate non-stop on how a 20 year relationship between obama and his highly opinionated mentor and minster was no problem for him to handle, but they’re saying he can’t handle bill?

rrt,
Yeah they did push BHO on us. But the fact is half the country didn’t buy it. This should be a wake up call to all Americans do DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH about the candidates from here on out and don’t let the MSM or Dean, Pelosi or anybody else tell you who to vote for!
This is an excellent point. It was really weird about the media. I couldn’t stand MSNBC anymore, switched.

charliechaplin
as a 53 year old black supporter of sen. clinton, i hope she runs as an independent, i will vote for her.
I hope she does not let obama pay off her debts for her brain to help him win.
everybody knows she is smarter than he is.
we americans are fools to put someone who has such a short political resume’
and who we know so little about. just fools we are. race was not an issue at the top of the politcal list this year.
and i wish people would stop saying sen.clinton played the race card first, she did not. if you would just think about it. it was not to her advantage to play the race card. she had the black support, obama had to cut into it.
obama and crew played the race card first. people latched on to it, because they couldn’t believe or didn’t want to believe obama would, and some people will blame anything bad THEY can think up on the clintons.
if it wasn’t a race thing with the black people they would have paid attention to the issues of both and many not all would have stayed with sen. clinton. the black upper middle class will do well with anyone in office. it is the workingclass and poor blacks who will suffer. and i am sure when obama starts to go south and the sheen wears off-the clintons will be blamed.
I hope and pray sen. clinton will do no more than say vote for obama and no more.
i think it will be a shame if she is expected to lend her brain power to help him win.
he thinks she is so inexperienced, let her go on her way.
he can win with kennedy!
so the stumbling, fumbling dummy with the money wants to buy the girl with the brain.
I hope she will not sell.
nobama

how you are going to fix larry sinclair comment…. is in television in puerto rico…… the hole war will know about it get another speech ready… maybe………. very good…… you has some home work to do you will lose the general election. go. mccain.

mc. cain 2008 pelosi and dean go home you are going to lose …..GO MCCAIN.

I thought in Obamaland there is only 48 states, since he wants to omit Florida and Michigan.
Now he says we have 57 states. He is losing his bearings. Mid-life crisis.
Hillary-McCain-no vote

I do not have anything against Clinton but think given the choice Obama is better. But my respect for Clintons have gone down now.
Can some Clinton supporters explain why she is still running since last Primary?
Why can’t they accept the fact that Obama got majority of delegates and now almost majority of Super-delegates?
They wanted to seat Michigan and Florida delegates going against the rules as it will favor them now. So if we change the rules after the game has started what will happen in next primaries when any state could anything they like.
About the experience of Clinton, I can only laugh that being a first lady is counted towards the experience she has.
This is the same politics as usual that I hate and one of the main reason I think Obama is way better.
All the Clinton people who will vote for McCain are very welcome to do so if they like
1. Iraq War to continue
2. Tax cut for Rich
3. All other Bush’s policy that McCain is adopting to please the Republican base.
Please remember that Majority of people has voted for Obama in Primaries.

Why would you want the clintons back in the White House?
bill clinton disgraced the White House! That is OUR house, we vote to put him there, so who gave him permission to disgrace it? If he wanted to cheat on his wife, he should have found someplace else to do it.
bill clinton is the main reason we got george bush….and you clowns want to put him BACK?
Whoever wins, lets do something about the educational system in this country. Right now it sucks!

Can some Clinton supporters explain why she is still running since last Primary?
Because she can still win the nomination on the DNC floor if neither gets the 2025.

You really shouldn’t fear intelligence.
And you fear loosing at the DNC convention. S. Obama is great, I admit, but I just don’t think that he can win in a GE. He’s not experienced, and even if he ge the 90% of the minority votes and a minority of whites, that’s all he would get because half the Democrates voted for Clinton. It’s a tough situation for the party. And the delegates should decide at the DNC floor who is more electable come Nov. Yeah, I know, I’m a racist for saying this.

As far as Bill Clinton is concerned, can anyone in politics anywhere hold the candle to Bill Clinton for his service for America and the world? He was one of our best presidents! He left office with 450 Billion surpluses! He helped more low, middle and high income Americans to prosper. President Clinton brought us respect and dignity around the world. What more proof do you need? He’s respected and beloved not only in American but around the world! How many US presidents have reached that stature? I know dogs howl at the moon but the moon isn’t going to fall down. Remember these are the same people in the media who cheered us blindly invade Iraq who are now cheering for Sen. Obama. Our country needs Sen. Hillary Clinton more than ever to pull us out of the slippery slope of decline and to end the nightmare that has lasted for seven years!

LA in Indiana -
Your post makes no sense. She did nothing but be similarly discraced. It would be a reason to vote FOR her, not AGAINST her. Find another phony reason to hate – this one doesn’t work.

The number of elected delegates won
in the primaries and the caucuses is the only thing that matters.
The number of states won, the popular vote, the specious electability argument and other similar criteria count for nothing. Superdelegates have never nominated a candidate who finished with fewer delegates in the
primaries and the caucuses.

As I recall from high school, math isn’t as much fun as stomping someone.
Remember, we are uneducated rednecks who don’t understand Obama. Stomping the smart kid on the playground we understand completely.
This will go down as the weirdest election in American history.

Hillary is the one that’s trying to cause a major drift between some of these white blue collars by making it seem as if she’s the ONLY candidate that can make this demographic vote democrat in the general election. Bill Clinton, on his many town stop speeches, will tell the crowd that Hillary is here because of people like ‘them’ and she’s the only candidate that will fight for people like ‘them’ painting Obama as some kind of out of touch elitist – this is the kind of tactic one would use to total separate a voter’s frame of mind againt a candidate and you’d think the Clinton’s would realize that they are hurting someone in their own party. This division the Clinton campaign wants to create and they could care less if they destroy the party. If Clinton will step out of the way or at least stop her negative one-sided campaigning, Obama will be given the opportunity to do even better with this group. But right now it appears that Hillary is prolonging this fight to make it more difficult for Obama in the general election. Shame on her SNL yesterday was right.

rant-if hillary does not try to speak up for the rural people, who is there to speak for them? obama is not? if bill is there saying whatever he is saying to them-it IS because no one else is speaking for them.
if the rural white have been neglected it is obama who has neglected them

Bluebird,
Don’t be afraid if people saying you are racist for saying it.
I don’t think it’s racist.
I keep saying it too.
I know I’m not racist myself, I favor black people .I watch their movies,I listen to their songs, I make friend with them.
It’s tha fact. Sam Donaldson said it on the George S this morning.He said probably people might call hin a racist after his comment.
Obama should face it in the GE.

Yavo Lem,
I agree.
we will see after super tuesday.

mai,
YOU ARE CORRECT.
dirty politics-
but no matter obama will not win in nov.
once they put obama and wright and ayers up against mccain the war hero. the american people do not know enough aobut obama
he will not be president.
and before someone says something about hagee and mccain
first mccain didn’t sit and listen to hagee for 20 years.
obama dumped his preacher for politcal reasons
mccain grabed on to hagee for politcal reasons.
and i will still bet mccain the war hero will win out.

and lets not forget-yes bill clinton had an affair with a woman in the white house.
but the impeachment was a witch hunt and all right thinking people know it.
it was the dumb right’ way of trying to hurt him. and he stupidly put a bullseye on his back. but as far as helping the american people economically bill clinton did it.
and he did what he could to level the playing field for the poor black people.

questioner said ::: are you confirming that Obama is going to attack anyone who doesn’t vote for him and send his troops out to riot and pilfer?
Nah blacks usually only murder loot and burn down buildings where they live then blame the whites. With Liberal Democrats cheering them on. The news loves this so also blames the WHITES

Those of you saying LOL about Obamas supporters being intimidating are completely lost. I was in Nevada and Texas and the supporters were brutal. They verbally attack people based on physical appearance and assumptions and they misled people. Well, all one needs to do is read Obama supporters posts to know it’s true. The media is hiding the fact that Obama supporters are this way and I wonder why? The Jefferson-Jackson dinner was a perfect example of how disgraceful their behavior is, but we didn’t hear anything on the news about it did we?

I hope the rank hostility here against Obama’s candidacy wanes come the Fall. Bill is destroying a candidacy to save his wife’s. It’s not admirable. He’s feeding rural voters BS about being neglected and laughed at by the “elites”. Give me a break, Bill. I thought you were better than that. I voted for you twice, defended you down here in RED Texas when all my friends/co-workers cursed your name for lying to your wife, your daughter and your country. I defended you, sir.
Now you go around planting ideas in people’s heads…people whose support we need in the fall. People who, if they follow your advice, will again vote agianst their interest in the fall by voting for McCain because BClinton came down there and told them Obama thinks they are lesser people. Classless, Bill.
I think voters will wise-up to you in due time. This train is moving downhill and you and your wife can’t stop it. All your surrogates are peeved becasue they will be losing their influence in the Party once Obama is the defacto leader. That’s why we get these hostile rants from the likes of Carville, Begala, Lanny Davis, Joe Wilson and Larry Johnson. Their time is over, and they can’t fathom the idea just yet.
So, i hope all you supporters of Hillary will hop on board in the fall. There is a new dynamic evolving in politics. Millions of volunteers will be out on the street this fall camaigning for a man they truly believe in. Obama is a decent man, with a new approach to politics. He’s not perfect…and he’s not the freakin’ devil. We all must hitch our wagon to his candidacy this fall, look at the alternative. The alternative will lose out…maybe not this fall, but they will lose out.
That concept of politics has run its course. Rove and Hillary have knocked down their las straw man. We are better than this. We are about to prove it to ourselves and everyone else out there. Come on aboard…you are all welcome and there is plenty of room.

Posted by: dave | May 11, 2008 9:32:44 PM
sorry, dave, no can do…i do not like that ride, and i do not like the driver..

Hillary supporters unite to STOP OBAMA in the fall if he’s the nominee! Don’t let the bullying men get their way yet again! Obama and his supporters have bashed Hillary with their friends in the media for months. Yet he slides with this farce of a speech on race they the media fawned over that has now been shown to be a lie. Our party has pushed around the wrong people–the women and working class who are its backbone. He can’t win on the black vote alone. We can live through 4 more GOP years if we lived through the last 8. Who wants Obama high taxes anyway. I’d rather a war hero get the presidency than Obama the anti-american who couldn’t even stand up to his racist, unpatriotic pastor. I’d rather elect a MAN who stands up for this country than the girlie man Obama.

I have given Hillary ALOT of money and I am moving it all to McCain if Obama is my party’s nominee. They keep predicting we’ll unite? No we won’t. Not a single Hillary supporter here in FLA that I know will vote for him. He dissed FLA and now FLA will diss him. Didn’t want my vote to count, so now he won’t get my vote.

Dave:
Obama NEVER says anything about race to anyone…. He doesn’t have to.
He has his posters do the dirty work for him… after all, he IS the teflon man. They were the ones in the beginning who brought the race card out… from South Carolina right on down the line.
They blamed Bill Clinton, one of their staunchest supporters, for putting it into play! Except that it was a flagrant lie, it was a brilliant move on the part of B O…and the black Joker has been kept in play ever since!
His posters have dredged up every bit of crap they could come up with ….. from the little blue dress to her use of pant suits to the donations the Clintons make to their foundation.
They neglect carrying that topic further because it would show how magnificently charitable the Clintons have been to this country!
His followers are the bigots… not Hillary or her followers. They were the ones who voted in blocks of 92% and 91% for their leader. How could this not be considered racist!
Some whites were in the mix… just as some blacks are strong for Hillary…. and all these are the blessed ones for, either way, they obviously used their Minds to come to a decision.
What will happens during the next election? Latinos have a lot of growth and citizenship bestowed upon many because of their American born children will strengthen their voting rights even more.
Will the next election require that a Latino become president?
Must an Asian follow the Latino?
Possibilities…. but shouldn’t they be required to be meet some sort of STANDARDS?
Like patriotism, proven service to our country, brilliance and the ability to think on one’s feet?
In any case, the accomplishments Hillary has brought to this country ahave been ignored and all attention by these posters have been re-focused on stuff for which she was unaccountable for and for which she has suffered.
They did this while B O Plenty was travelling the 57 (my! how we’ve grown!) states of the union in search of his throne.
They did this while B O was sticking up
for Pastor Wright and throwing his white grandmama under the bus. I can still see him being almost suffocated by about eight enormous American flags has he preached his race speech to America and the world!
They did this the second time, some weeks later, while B O was “dissing” pastor Wright and throwing HIM under the bus.
We thought this was rather twofaced… but the mediocre media absorbed it all into its predetermined plot to take him on his soar to Washington…. as if this were just a fairy tale to be taped in Hollywood and sold to Loews.
And the brilliance and accomplishments of Hillary were ignored .. not only by B O’s oftimes foul-mouthed followers but also by the members or the press.
Obama’s slogan is “change”.His cousin Raila Odinga who he supported both financially and politically during his recent bloody struggle for power in Kenya, ran under “Agent for Change” and George Bush also ran for “Change”.
So far, the only change I see in this election is one which might lead us back to the mid=-fifties.
Be careful who you vote for.
Be very very careful.
I’m for Hillary, and I approve this message!

McCain is at least a fighter, a man of honour.
This man ducks, bluffs, shuts on people of millions, do not respect nobody. He is not the type of person you may call dependable; a con man.
FACTCHECK has been telling us this guy is being negative and lies in making false accusations. That is his smearing technique which has been so far. Now his target is McCain.
The paid hands on the internet for this guy never quits doctoring credential and making fouls. He is not a person of integrity. By comparison, Hillary is honestly fighting for the nomination with guts and hard work.

questioner, great post!

…delegates maths ….and FL and MI will go away too … then Dean and Pelosi sleep better tonight

Hillary Supporters! Keep praying! A huge win in WV could start the delgates, MI, Fl, Edwards endorsements, Guam truth and more! If we unite in prayer it will work! Thanks!