By Nitya

May 22, 2008 4:48pm

McCain Rejects Hagee Endorsement and “Crazy” Comments on Holocaust

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., this afternoon rejected the endorsement of Pastor John Hagee after a sermon was publicized in which Hagen suggested Adolph Hitler and the Holocaust were caused by God so as to bring about the creation of the state of Israel.

A source close to McCain told ABC News the Arizona senator thinks these sentiments are crazy, and that back in February when the campaign accepted Hagee’s endorsement, no one on the campaign, and certainly not McCain, had any idea that Hagee believed these types of things.

“Obviously, I find these remarks and others deeply offensive and indefensible, and I repudiate them," McCain said in a statement. "I did not know of them before Reverend Hagee’s endorsement, and I feel I must reject his endorsement as well."

Hagee had quoted the book of Jeremiah saying, "Behold I will bring them the Jewish people again unto their land that I gave unto their fathers. Behold I will send for many fishers and after will I send for many hunters. And they the hunters shall hunt them from every mountain and from every hill and from out of the holes of the rocks."

Hagee suggested that Hitler as a hunter, and as a result of the Holocaust, Jews had been brought back to the land God gave unto their fathers.

Hagee’s sermon about the Holocaust was broken at the liberal website Talk2Action. You can hear Hagee’s sermon HERE.

McCain tried to make sure voters did not see his Hagee issue in the same light as the controversy involving Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, and his controversial former pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

"I have said I do not believe Senator Obama shares Reverend Wright’s extreme views," McCain said. "But let me also be clear, Reverend Hagee was not and is not my pastor or spiritual advisor, and I did not attend his church for twenty years. I have denounced statements he made immediately upon learning of them, as I do again today."

Immediately upon receiving Hagee’s endorsement in February in San Antonio, McCain was asked if he shared Hagee’s "End of Days" views of Armageddon. McCain said he was not aware of them. And as days past, McCain found himself increasingly under fire for other Hagee views, particularly about Catholics. As months progressed, McCain tried to distance himself from Hagee’s comments, then he condemned them, then he said Hagee had not been properly vetted.

Hagee issued a statement this afternoon saying that ever since he endorsed McCain, "people seeking to attack Senator McCain have combed my records for statements they can use for political gain. They have had no qualms about grossly misrepresenting my position on issues most near and dear to my heart if it serves their political ambitions. I am tired of these baseless attacks and fear that they have become a distraction in what should be a national debate about important issues."

Hagee then suggested that rather than McCain having rejected his endorsement, he had taken it back. "I have therefore decided to withdraw my endorsement of Senator McCain for President effective today, and to remove myself from any active role in the 2008 campaign," Hagee said. "I hope that the Senator McCain will accept this withdrawal so that he may focus on the issues that are most important to America and the world."

A fuller excerpt of the sermon is as follows:

HAGEE: "Again he said unto me “Prophesy unto these bones, and say unto them, ‘O you dry bones, hear the word of the Lord!’ And he spoke to them and they stood and they became an exceeding great army – meaning they physically came to life.

"Now how is God going to bring them back to the land? The answer is fishers and hunters. The answer is given in Jeremiah 16, verse 15 and following.

"God says in Jeremiah 16 – ‘Behold I will bring them the Jewish people again unto their land that I gave unto their fathers’ – that would be Abraham, Isaac and Jacob – ‘behold I will send for many fishers and after will I send for many hunters. And they the hunters shall hunt them’ – that will be the Jews – ‘from every mountain and from every hill and from out of the holes of the rocks.’

"If that doesn’t describe what Hitler did in the Holocaust, you can’t see that.

"So think about this – I will send fishers and I will send hunters. A fisher is someone who entices you with a bait. How many of you know who Theodore Herzl was? How many of you don’t have a clue who he was? Whooo. Sweet God! Theodore Herzl is the father of Zionism. He was a Jew that at the turn of the 19th century said, ‘This land is our land, God wants us to live there.’ So he went to the Jews of Europe and said, ‘I want you to come and join me in the land of Israel.’

"So few went, Herzl went into depression. Those who came founded Israel; those who did not went through the hell of the Holocaust.

"Then God sent a hunter. A hunter is someone who comes with a gun and he forces you. Hitler was a hunter. And the Bible says – Jeremiah righty? – ‘They shall hunt them from every mountain and from every hill and out of the holes of the rocks,’ meaning: there’s no place to hide. And that will be offensive to some people. Well, dear heart, be offended: I didn’t write it. Jeremiah wrote it. It was the truth and it is the truth.

"How did it happen? Because God allowed it to happen. Why did it happen? Because God said, ‘my top priority for the Jewish people is to get them to come back to the land of Israel.’ Today Israel is back in the land and they are at Ezekiel 37 and 8. They are physically alive but they’re not spiritually alive. Now how is God going to cause the Jewish people to come spiritually alive and say, ‘the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, He is God’?"

- jpt

User Comments

Bravo McCain! You’re a swift, decisive leader who can tell wright from wrong.

Posted by: HoosierSue | May 22, 2008, 5:02 pm 5:02 pm

Next to go: McCain’s spiritual adviser Rod Parsley, who is even more “crazy” than Hagee.

Posted by: Franklin | May 22, 2008, 5:02 pm 5:02 pm

Who’s Hagen? lol

Posted by: O.C. | May 22, 2008, 5:04 pm 5:04 pm

HoosierSue, I believe it is not Wright from wrong but black and white on this issue. OOGA BOOGA!

Posted by: Mr. Coffee | May 22, 2008, 5:05 pm 5:05 pm

This is why Obama will have to pry Hillary’s hands from the lectern at the Convention. She can smell what morons are running on the Republican side.

Posted by: Mr. Coffee | May 22, 2008, 5:06 pm 5:06 pm

Mr. Coffee, I believe it’s a man who sits in the pews of the church of his crazy spiritual mentor for 20 years as opposed to a man who was simply endorsed by a crazy pastor. Color has nothing to do with it – unless you count the fact that if a white man had sat in a racist, anti-American church for 20 years, he’d have been outed by the media and knocked out of the campaign long before now.

Posted by: HoosierSue | May 22, 2008, 5:11 pm 5:11 pm

I mentioned on another thread that Obama needs to watch his step and resist making a pompous comment about Hagee. Though Obama supporters may believe Hagee and Wright are the same; people who see clearly know they are anything but. The Republicans would welcome the chance to point out the difference and open the whole Rev. Wright mudslide against Obama again. As Obama likes to say, I’m sure this is a debate McCain would be “happy to have, anytime, anyplace”.

Posted by: HoosierSue | May 22, 2008, 5:23 pm 5:23 pm

Of course. I wondered why he didn’t do it earlier. He can totally afford it because the Hagee people will totally support him anyway. They feel they’re right, that they have to “play” politics and will vote for McCain because it’s what they want regardless.

Posted by: irma | May 22, 2008, 5:28 pm 5:28 pm

Ok Sue, I will take the bait. What is wrong here:
People familiar with Obama’s church compare its emphasis on African culture to the way some Catholic churches play up Irish or Italian roots. People who know about the church reject the accusations that the church is separatist or turns away white members.
An actual member who is white tells the story of a group of young Germans visiting the church. Wright met with them before the service and prayed with them in German, she said. Later, he delivered part of his sermon in German and the choir sang in German.
“To me, it’s a testimony that this is not a church that rejects people of other cultures and races,” she said.

Posted by: Mr. Coffee | May 22, 2008, 5:29 pm 5:29 pm

HoosierSue – You exclaimed: “Bravo McCain! You’re a swift, decisive leader who can tell wright from wrong.” except when you continue a war of the invasion of a soverign country that had not attacked this nation and 4,000 + lives of our most beloved is second to pandering to political Karl Rove spinsters like yourself. But then telling right from wrong has never been something the GOP has been accountable for since the days of Nixon when wrong was right as long as it meant getting back into the White House. Enough already.

Posted by: OnTheGloryRoad | May 22, 2008, 5:33 pm 5:33 pm

oh come on McCain! He talked about these people as agents of intolerance before, ate humble pie when he needed the evangelical vote to get the nomination – and then asked for these same Agents vote – now he rejects them. No I don’t believe he holds the same beliefs as they do. Oh and he has now rejected Rod Parsley’s endorsement too.
The rest of us were well aware of some of Hagees views – such as 9/11 was God punishing America for its sins (that apparently didn’t bother people as much as Wright saying 9/11 was a repercussion of American foreign policy) and that Hurrican Katrina was God punishing Louisiana because they allowed a gay pride parade. Now McCain was well aware of those two Hagee statements, but I guess he now figures he needs the Jewish vote?
There isn’t too much that is still straight about John McCain.
Politics as usual.

Posted by: Susa | May 22, 2008, 5:38 pm 5:38 pm

Well if you think about it, everyone has views that they preach about one way or another. My husband and I have several views we do not agree on at all. My family the same however, they would still stand for me because of all of the things I do believe in. My husband is so critical of several things in this world however that does not make me divorce him. He is good to me and believes in all the good things I do. I am sure these pastors views are from one end of the world to another however they do a lot of good as well. Look up some of the works they do; i did. They support all kinds of 3rd world stuff and give millions to those places. I did not look up wright, or rather I couldn’t find his stuff but I am sure it is there someplace. Lets face it, just as there are some crazy muslems out there we have several crazy christians as well. I think we can all agree however that so far we have yet to hear about Christians blowing up themselves to take out innocent people in the name of God. As crazy as they might be at times, I’ve yet to hear of one.

Posted by: DW | May 22, 2008, 5:39 pm 5:39 pm

I am a Catholic with pretty thick skin so nothing Hagee has said bothers me because I think he is silly, but McCain did the right thing even if it is calculating. Now if we can just get McCain to soften his tone towards other nations that have different ways of doing things we will be getting somewhere.

Posted by: Huh | May 22, 2008, 5:39 pm 5:39 pm

Sue:
I gotta go but I thought you would have nothing to say. . . .
McCain like Clinton(s) ruins his reputation this year. He reportedly attempted suicide twice while in North Vietnamese prisons. Has he had a psychiatric eval? He was a decent Senator but I don’t think he is stable enough for high office.

Posted by: Mr. Coffee | May 22, 2008, 5:47 pm 5:47 pm

Hagee and Wright are both in the same gang! I commend both MCCain and Obama for rejecting these ‘wacky’ preachers. The presidential race can now be based on the real issues again. (Yes -I am ignoring Hilary)

Posted by: No_MI_&_No_FL | May 22, 2008, 5:47 pm 5:47 pm

Posted by: Jason | May 22, 2008, 5:48 pm 5:48 pm

Hmmmm, Hagee says his sermons are being combed through for things that can be used for political purposes.Anyone feeling a sense of deja vu?

Posted by: bskahn | May 22, 2008, 5:48 pm 5:48 pm

Franklin: Don’t be an idiot…Parsley is NOT McCain’s “spiritual advisor”. I bet you couldn’t find McCain having attended even one Parsley church service. At least neither Hagee or Parsley said “God damn America” or the “government invented AIDS” to kill the black man.

Posted by: LADNARC | May 22, 2008, 5:51 pm 5:51 pm

mcpain was aware of hagee views prior to the endorsement, he always apologizes after the fact, remember the savings and loan scandal. this is not the only crackpot whose support he solicited.

Posted by: marty | May 22, 2008, 5:53 pm 5:53 pm

Reverend John Hagee has his interpretation of Biblical history, however, most people would realize that many, many centuries have passed since Jeremiah and other prophets predicted these events. He (Jeremiah) could have been predicting events that happened centuries ago. You don’t have to agree with his interpretation or relate it to the holocost. Many religious sects relate Bible prophecy to all sorts of events. There have been many genocidal events through history including that of Christians. I think this was another mountain made out of a mole hill for political reasons.

Posted by: upstatecitizen | May 22, 2008, 5:54 pm 5:54 pm

This will hurt McCain. Not so much with the Jewish but with the Catholic vote and Hispanic vote.

Posted by: Vanessa | May 22, 2008, 5:56 pm 5:56 pm

Maybe John Hagee should become a spiritual advisor to Pat Buchanan

Posted by: John Bryans Fontaine | May 22, 2008, 5:57 pm 5:57 pm

john hagee for president

Posted by: lemets | May 22, 2008, 6:01 pm 6:01 pm

For a pertinent example of blatant McCain hypocrisy, check out McCain’s interview on This Week a few weeks ago. He castigates Obama for his association with William Ayers, etc. GS asks him about Hagee & McCain accepts the endorsement, saying he disagreed with a few of his statements. He’s losing his bearings.

Posted by: Lefty | May 22, 2008, 6:02 pm 6:02 pm

McCain has just lost my and half of the Texas’ votes.

Posted by: kimmi770 | May 22, 2008, 6:03 pm 6:03 pm

mcpain is careless if he doesnt research the background of people
whom he solicits to endorse him. he has a history of championing people of questionable character, such as keating of the savings and loan scandal.
elect mccain for 4 more years of pain.

Posted by: marty | May 22, 2008, 6:06 pm 6:06 pm

I am Catholic and Texan and I think like all politicians McCain did what this campagn. dictates. This is not his spiritual advisor…and did not spend the last 20 years with him…

Posted by: Dellee | May 22, 2008, 6:08 pm 6:08 pm

That’s why agnosticism is the way to go. Just like honest Abe.

Posted by: Mack | May 22, 2008, 6:08 pm 6:08 pm

Unfortunately, Hagee is just the tip of the iceberg. Millions of evangelicals, behind closed doors, agree with him that the Holocaust was God’s punishment on the Jews for having rejected Jesus. Don’t forget Falwell’s comment from many decades ago: “God does not hear the prayers of the Jews.” When pressed, he claimed he didn’t really mean it, but when the smoke had cleared, he was right back there. Just like 9/11.
And Hagee calls himself a “friend of Israel”? With friends like these, who needs enemies? Kimmi770, you and the rest of Texas can keep Hagee.

Posted by: Johnny Boy | May 22, 2008, 6:11 pm 6:11 pm

McCain must read even less than Bush to not know what kind of person Hagee is. In a way, it demonstrates how McCain works. He curried the right wing religious fanatics by switching his religion at age 71, now he is probably contemplating switching to Judaism to cultivate their vote. But before the GE he’ll go back to Episcopal to demonstrate what a moderate he is.

Posted by: Javalation | May 22, 2008, 6:13 pm 6:13 pm

And he thought that the media was going to give him a free ride with a white woman and a black man running for office. (Liberal media’s ultimate fantasy) Poor, poor John. His judgement just continues to deteriorate…

Posted by: blog | May 22, 2008, 6:14 pm 6:14 pm

I wouldn’t be to gleeful. The last thing that you want to do is open the Wright can of worms again. An America hater is not going to win against an Islamic hater in the heartland.

Posted by: Mack | May 22, 2008, 6:14 pm 6:14 pm

This is GREAT news for the Democrats! By rejecting Hagee’s endorsement McCain just lost WV and Kentucky!

Posted by: IndieVisible | May 22, 2008, 6:17 pm 6:17 pm

How about we do away with all this god nonesense in politics and god-given real estate mumbo-jumbo that divides people left and right. So this nutcase pastor has endorsed McCain, I’m sure he’s not the only one who thinks in Jews and the Holocaust and God punishing them for not believing in Jesus! Besides, Jews were only the majority of those who perished in WWII but certainly not the only ones!

Posted by: Daniel | May 22, 2008, 6:21 pm 6:21 pm

… when you continue a war of the invasion of a soverign country that had not attacked this nation . . .
Susa, we are not at war with Iraq. We are not fighting soldiers – only thug terrorists that hi-jacked Iraq. I remember that most of the USA was behind the effort to go in and oust Hussein – who was friendly with these types. We did not want to wait to get attacked first like we did from 911. Remember? Are you suggesting that we should wait to get attacked first?
While in Iraq, before we finished fixing what was destroyed, they – the terrorist cowards – attacked us with hidden explosives and wore womens clothes to fool us. They even used kids and the mentally challenged to do their work – those pigs!

Posted by: DanDan | May 22, 2008, 6:22 pm 6:22 pm

Once again, Nat, you miss the point. You have to sort your isms by victims. Hagee is trying to start a religious war. Wright is trying to start a race war. People are a lot more likely to agree with Hagee than Wright, DungBeetle. Sad but so.
Me, I’m voting for Clinton. So far she hasn’t started a fight with anyone except the Chelsea haters and the Democrats hell bent on denying the vote to Florida and Michigan so they can prop up a candidate for a nomination he can’t lose for an election he can’t win.

Posted by: len | May 22, 2008, 6:26 pm 6:26 pm

Hoosier Sue, your comments reflect the inherent dishonesty of Conservatives. Obama did not sit in a church for 20 years listening to racist, anti-American comments. The whole of Wright’s offensive comments run about 2 minutes. You conservatives desire to be dishonest and make it seem as if every Wright sermon every week was anti American or racist. If they were, we would have heard them hundreds of times over by now. Wright’s sermons were available online and on CD’s for a long time. All that the haters out there could find were the couple of minutes of preaching by Wright we have all heard dozens of times by now, but of course they want to lie and make it seem that is all Wright was about 24/7 and Obama was on board with it. LIES. I suggest we all put aside what preacher said what and look at the candidates ideas for the future of America.

Posted by: Sean | May 22, 2008, 6:28 pm 6:28 pm

Hagee doesnt actually hate Jews, he just has this idea that Israel had to be set up as a nation state before Jesus could return. Hagee is one of the people who claim to be able to interpret Revelations.
Of course if you read pocm.info, you can see that all the myths that Hagee and ALL his followers believe were stories told in ancient cultures and thrown onto Jesus by the early Christian church. Hagee is just ignorant that his ENTIRE religion is a fiction. But that goes for McCain, Clinton, Obama, and all Christians. Hagee is just a little more silly in his interpretations.

Posted by: bruce becker | May 22, 2008, 6:28 pm 6:28 pm

We are repeating step, by step, by step history in far greater danger of destroying anything good. Growing gaggles enlarge their forces in division with some believing we will eliminate those that are not just right, we will invade those that we choose to, equality can be tempered to fit the hour, zealots can rise to power and influence, riches are worth more than life, pillage and plunder, force some of the land for the “greater” good, make the weapon stronger, eliminate dissent, hide truth, bread available for those able to buy, rations can be controlled by the state. When one considers the turmoil in this election it pales in comparison to the depth of the ignorance visibly displayed in face of the domestic and global challenges and problems we face. Frankly I could care less what any minister says – stay out of politics and stay in the pulpit and do the service required of you. Politicians – stay out of the pulpit and stay in public service doing what is required of you. When you seek the endorsement of ANY person whose dollar and existence is dependent on those that believe as they do deserve what comes next.

Posted by: OnTheGloryRoad | May 22, 2008, 6:30 pm 6:30 pm

This pastor endorses McCain not his spiritual advisor and didn’t seat in the church for 20 years like Obama. Media and Obama campaign try to compare orange with banana. It is very cheap shot. They try to paint McCain image and I’m sick of this.

Posted by: Stephanie | May 22, 2008, 6:36 pm 6:36 pm

So, when did McCain realize the true beast in Hagee? Was it before, during or after he originally sought out his endorsement? Rev. Wright looks like a boyscout in comparison to many of things Hagee has said in many of his sermons. If McCain didn’t know he should have known. Sooooooo! “What did McCain know (about Hagee)and when did he know it?” ;-)

Posted by: What_Did_He_Know? | May 22, 2008, 6:37 pm 6:37 pm

Sen McCain, You made a WRIGHT decision.
McCain-08.

Posted by: Chris | May 22, 2008, 6:38 pm 6:38 pm

McCain is a flip flopping bigot. How do we know that McCain doesn’t agree with Hagee? He knew about his anti catholic and anti jewish rhetoric and praised Hagee. Now that it’s out in the media, he’s rejecting him. ABC is an anti semetic and anti catholic station because they allowed McCain to lie to our face w/out airing out his dirty little secrets. McCain is a flip flopper. I don’t know what to believe.

Posted by: Terry | May 22, 2008, 6:39 pm 6:39 pm

McCain should make Hagee his VP running mate…instead of that other Republican spiritual favorite, Ted Haggard.

Posted by: wilder5121 | May 22, 2008, 6:40 pm 6:40 pm

John McCain,100% medically handicapped person of 71 years old, would like to be our President. Being a 70 years myself and several my Church friends, I can easily understand the incapacity of this old age.
If John McCain says that he has not heard of Hagee and his credential, he must be right. Because like me and many others, he cannot easily operate computer and find out bio-data of Hagee and Parsley and many others, who are bigots and supporting him.
In my opinion, Hagee is much worst than Jermy Wright and if some one wants to condened Wright, Hagee and Parsley are in the same block. Mccain also must share the blame of joining hand with these idiots and religious bigots. Bottom line, John McCain has to retire from his political life and allow Obama like young to take care of this hard and time consuming task. He has a beautiful wife with millions of dollar worth, why not enjoy in the woods or at the beach rather than following the foot-steps of King Bush, who has killed humans and humanity around the Globe spoiling our good name and making us bad guys.

Posted by: john baguta | May 22, 2008, 6:43 pm 6:43 pm

So McCain was FOR Hagee before he was AGAINST him? What’s sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander…

Posted by: Swift Vote Bitter Man for Truth | May 22, 2008, 6:45 pm 6:45 pm

McCain has open a door for the DNC and independent groups to exploit.
If the GOP decides to use Rev. Wright the DNC or other independent groups will definitely use Pastor Hagee and Pastor Parsley.
This is a definite win for the DNC and Obama.

Posted by: Vanessa | May 22, 2008, 6:50 pm 6:50 pm

Rev. Hagee has wasted many hours in attacking Islam too and for many days Islamic groups are crying for the justice but John McCain did not bother to hear thei voice. But today, when some one high lighted the Hagee’s venom against Jews, John McCain and his dogs started crying loudly and finally, the old man has to surrender and dissociated himself from Hagee and father Hagee cut his relation with McCain keeping his words of God intake.
I think, Allah’s of Islam has won the battle without fighting, throwing Jews in the middle to fight for himself and his Muslims.

Posted by: john baguta | May 22, 2008, 6:53 pm 6:53 pm

To John Buguta – How is John McCain 100% medically incapacitated at 71? would you please explain this nonsense? I am 72 years old and I’ll still dance circles around any 50 year old. Please advise where you get your information that John McCain is 100% medically incapacitated. Are you one of the 400 bloggers that the obama campaign hired to trash Hillary Clinton and John McCain? I think they REALLY could have picked much more intelligent people than you.

Posted by: Lou | May 22, 2008, 6:53 pm 6:53 pm

Wow….the monolithic, one dimensional, religious right wing voting base of the Republican Party are not going to like that. Their Taliban-like Ann Coulters, Jerry Falwells and John Hagees are the back bone of their voter base and these are the kind of people who will vote for any unqualified (like Bush) pathetic waste of skin. To get their vote, you have to claim to be pro-life (whatever that is even supposed to mean), claim to be Christian (and live opposite to Christ’s teachings…Ann Coulter), claim to be conservative (and spend like there is no tomorrow), and mix religion with politics. If you are not in favor of turning the pages of American history back to the dark ages of the Salem Witch Craft Trials then it really is hard to get Republican votes. I guess McCain just commited political suicide by rejecting Hagee. Well…all is not lost. There are plenty more spineless, chicken hawk, fear and hate mongering reptiles in the the ranks of the Republican Party who are ready & willing to take his place.

Posted by: DayRay | May 22, 2008, 6:56 pm 6:56 pm

It’s true that Hagee views the rebirth of the nation of Israel as a stepping-stone to the second coming of Christ (as though the modern nation were equivalent to the Biblical “people of Israel”). He loves the Jews as a vehicle for Christ’s return, but as a Christian evangelical, I’m sure he’s convinced the Jews will all be damned for eternity at the end of days (with friends like these…). It’s also ironic that in his retraction of the endorsement today, Hagee says this has all become a distraction away from the important issues of the day. Again, for someone who takes this faith literally and and is convinced that Armageddon as close at hand, what could be more important than repeating his sermon over and over again? Surely he’s not telling his congregation that politics are more important than the hereafter!

Posted by: Perelvis | May 22, 2008, 6:57 pm 6:57 pm

Most of these volatile preachers are simply thwarted actors, relishing every second of the drama and spotlight. Pay them no attention and they surely will go away…

Posted by: DaveM | May 22, 2008, 7:00 pm 7:00 pm

Why is it that the media, ABC News included, tries to constantly shake up things and instigate? Every 2nd and 4th year election sees individuals endorse a candidate and/or campaign and invariably someone is offended or the media tries to find some offense. It galls me that because Obama had Wright now the news is trying to dig up something on McCain. I’m not even a Republican and I can see this game played out every election. Also, every time a Christian speaks or shares their opinion it’s suddendly a judgement or travesty or narrow minded. But if another religion- -Bhuddist, or Muslims, for example- – shares their religious thoughts in America suddenly we all have to be tolerant and open minded and their religious ideals aren’t called into question. Let’s be tolerant of Christians and stop bashing them, too. And let’s stop expecting every candidate to be perfect like all of the journalists digging up this news!!!

Posted by: arthur L. | May 22, 2008, 7:02 pm 7:02 pm

U.S.A.,is near to anarki,are cival war the extrem left and the right. We as citizens have lost what is good and evil,right and wrong,Because what is in the middle,Liberalism,and Huminist. Ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country.And to do that, you must know ,good and evil,right and wrong.

Posted by: t. | May 22, 2008, 7:04 pm 7:04 pm

The media has a racists double standard. A black preacher says some controversial things and the media goes crazy. Yet this white bigot says things even more offensive and the media give him a pass. When will the liberal media start reporting on John McCain and his supporteers instead of sucking up to him?

Posted by: nick | May 22, 2008, 7:09 pm 7:09 pm

What about Parsley, the other Total Lunatic? He’s just as dangerous as Hagee.

Posted by: hassel | May 22, 2008, 7:30 pm 7:30 pm

so the mc-more-war skeletons begin to come out now. He had to reject 2 preacher’s endorsements today. As a Catholic I have lost all respect for mccain because the hagee rejection took way too long. November is lookin more and more like a landslide for Obama. Obama 2008 will be Great!!!

Posted by: pt | May 22, 2008, 7:30 pm 7:30 pm

At least it didn’t taken McCain 20 years to distance himself from this pastor.
Obama’s new pastor is as bad as Wright.
Hillary or McCain08

Posted by: cindy in nc | May 22, 2008, 7:31 pm 7:31 pm

kimmi770 said, “McCain has just lost my and half of the Texas’ votes.”
GOOD! The USA doesn’t need, nor want, the support and influence of right-wing extremists. I can’t believe people actually listen to Hagee, let alone follow him as a religious leader. It is very scary how little some people think for themselves.

Posted by: Eric | May 22, 2008, 7:31 pm 7:31 pm

Bravo McCain! You’re a swift, decisive leader who can tell wright from wrong.
**************************************
After a year of chasing and winning his endorsement

Posted by: Thinking | May 22, 2008, 7:32 pm 7:32 pm

Another question I have is, how in the world is Hagee going to get every _single_ Jew in the world to return to Israel. According to him, every _single_ Jew has to return. I invite him to go down to southern Florida and try getting rich, happy, elderly Jewish people to return to Israel. They’ll laugh in his face as they sit on their beach chair sipping white wine!

Posted by: Eric | May 22, 2008, 7:33 pm 7:33 pm

Pretty soon the liberal left, will not allow real Christian, American’s who love the USA, and are against those who actually hate the USA endorse McCain because they will look for and find any excuse, why they should not endorse a presidential nominee. There goes any so call endorsement from any evangelicals. Obamas, pastor Rev. Wright, is not a real Christian, because he preaches hate especially against the USA, where he lives and does well. If the Catholics would endorse McCain imagine what the media would come with that would make that endorsement negative. They will I am sure find something. This whole issue of endorsements is a real drag and so unimportant, lets hear the real issues, that are more important.

Posted by: CMhinsley | May 22, 2008, 7:35 pm 7:35 pm

I am not surprised of the liberal’s media stupidity and ignorance on John Haggee’s sermon. If you read the Old Testament, it shows how God uses different circumstances to fulfill its purposes for those who he loves. So why criticize Hagee? Umm, maybe because the liberal media is looking for something to have against McCain this Fall. And why blame John Haggee’s for his theories and suspicion towards the Catholic Church? Or has the world forgotten from where Protestantism evolved from? Yes, it was from the religious prosecution that the Romans imposed for their Imperlism. In every century the Catholic Church has had its fingerprints on society. Or has the media already forgotten the abuses of the church towards its citizen of America? Oh, yes, I remember now! The excellent Holy Father has asked for forgiveness. Oh, but wait! Didn’t he do the same thing for all the victims of the holocaust? Umm, I wonder of all the other victims including the nuns who have been raped in Spain and who have no voice. I wonder! But oh well, hail the liberal media for their stupidity in silencing a voice that could off open the eyes of many.

Posted by: Zeke | May 22, 2008, 7:36 pm 7:36 pm

Seems like there is a distinction between McCain and Obama’s actions in a couple of ways:
1. McCain denounced more quickly and far more decisively. Obama defended and bent over backwards to defend his long-time friend Wright.
2. Hagee was never McCain’s personal pastor for 20 years.
As an atheist, it bothers me that politicians seem forced to associate themselves with Wright and Hagee-like crackpots to garner religious votes.
I also have no sympathy and a lot of antipathy for their often intelligent, yet deluded followers who demand that our politicians have “faith.”
However, I think McCain is a better choice for president because he is a better judge of character, though apparently not by much if he ever even shook this kook’s hand.
The media seems to portray that McCain is just backing off because of the Jewish vote. Isn’t it possible that he just really is offended by such outrageous and insane remarks?

Posted by: wade | May 22, 2008, 7:43 pm 7:43 pm

Pastor Hagee has some cockeyed notions that defy logic. His language is violent and his attitude is extremely harsh. He and Wright are two peas in a pod and should be rejected by their flock, but the sheep want this kind of garbage and the pastors get rich off of it!

Posted by: Two-cats | May 22, 2008, 7:45 pm 7:45 pm

The real tragedy at play in both the case of Hagee and Wright is that neither should be part of the political discourse of this presidential campaign. Most politically-savvy Americans want to know how the each party’s nominee will address substantive issues affecting the nation’s security, economy, world-standing, and future.
Unfortunately, for far too many Americans, the repugnant views of both Hagee and Wright will decisively trump other, more important positions held by the candidates when ballots are cast in November. Hagee and Wright are pitiful distractions and, I hope, that most Americans will view them as nothing more.

Posted by: Hamlet Canosa | May 22, 2008, 7:48 pm 7:48 pm

Well here we go again… another Christian misrepresented by the press and another politician running in fear. Oh well! Par for the course, but as for me.. I will SIT OUT this election cycle.. and encourage my church membership to do the same.

Posted by: James | May 22, 2008, 7:49 pm 7:49 pm

At least he didn’t wait 20 years and then try to PRETEND he didn’t know all the controversial views, when we KNOW he did, and condoned them.
obama is toast. Get out the butter. Rev. Wright as an issue will NEVER go away.

Posted by: Jo | May 22, 2008, 7:49 pm 7:49 pm

Wade, McCain knew well what this crackpot was all about and he sought out this endorsement anyway. It took him months also to reject Hagee’s outlandish positions. In my view, McCain was quite cynical to go after Hagee’s endorsement. He did it to please the religious right and to get them not to rebel at his nomination. I would say that his repudiation of Hagee didn’t take a lot of bravery. Hagee had already served his purpose.

Posted by: Two-cats | May 22, 2008, 7:54 pm 7:54 pm

Regardless as to who may be right and who may be wrong…….it’s politics as usual on both sides….

Posted by: Wisdom | May 22, 2008, 7:54 pm 7:54 pm

Negative attacks starting from the Obama campaign against McCain…
Don’t attack the church Obama!

Posted by: mary | May 22, 2008, 7:55 pm 7:55 pm

forget about the pastors for a minute. Why won’t mc-more-war’s wife release her tax records. What is she hiding anyway. Mrs. Kerry released her records. What is cindy mc-more-war hiding anyway???

Posted by: pt | May 22, 2008, 7:57 pm 7:57 pm

Where are the working blacks? There are working whites who vote for Clinton so they are racist. Are blacks who vote for Obama racist too? What an election?

Posted by: suraman14 | May 22, 2008, 8:03 pm 8:03 pm

McCain/Romney 2008!

Posted by: Shan | May 22, 2008, 8:10 pm 8:10 pm

I hope McCain picks Mit Romney!

Posted by: Peter | May 22, 2008, 8:12 pm 8:12 pm

a vote for mccain is a vote for “bush-term-3″. This country cannot afford another bush term. For the people who say they will vote mccain if Obama gets the nod, please think it over. Hillary and Obama are inches apart in their policies, Obama and mccain are light-years apart. Obama 2008!!!

Posted by: pt | May 22, 2008, 8:14 pm 8:14 pm

CATHOLICS HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT MCCAIN NOT CARING WHAT HAGEE SAID ABOUT YOU, ENOUGH SO THAT HE WOULD DENOUNCE AND REJECT HIM?

Posted by: FLORIDA BABY! | May 22, 2008, 8:30 pm 8:30 pm

CATHOLICS MCCAIN DID NOT CARE THIS MUCH ABOUT YOU.

Posted by: FLORIDA BABY! | May 22, 2008, 8:32 pm 8:32 pm

I say the media ought to loop those comments like they did of Rev Wright. Hmm..does that mean McCain cannot control what someone else says…hmm interesting..and yet people criticize Barack for what someone else says. Half the time I am thinking of something else during the sermon. Enough of the petty stuff, who’s supporter says what, who wears flag pins (notice John McCain often doesnt, nor does Hillary). Lets get to the substance..this is not highschool prom we are deciding upon, it is the next president. Lets have them talk about the economy, the war, rebuilding the infrastructure, education, the environment, health care, the mortgage crisis, international trade, innovations in science and engineering, balancing the budget, reducing the deficit, shoring up social security (which we could have done much with the billions wasted in Iraq). Stop acting like school kids, oh he said/she said..or he is too elite, (interesting..how many meals has Bill and Hillary missed, or what universities did they attend?, or how often do they visit the real people from their million dollar house in the suburbs in New York. Do they go to get their own gas, food, like real people..Lets face it, none of these people can really do what we do for security reasons. I mean how often have people been standing behind Bill and Hillary or John and his wife at the supermarket? Lets get to the issues at hand, not name calling.

Posted by: BeReasonable2008 | May 22, 2008, 8:33 pm 8:33 pm

What’s wrong John? I guess your evengelical nut case friends are starting to bring you bad publicity. You should have known better. Now renounce that rapture loving nutcase Rev Parsley. That is unless your waiting for the rapure too.

Posted by: AJ | May 22, 2008, 8:38 pm 8:38 pm

Nat Turner your right, McCain has a bigger problem with support then many think! For the first time McCain will not be able to count on the Independents support! Ouch! Lieberman can not save him. Lieberman is about as Independent as the Pope is Jewish. His only hope was snuggling up to the whacko right extremist he just dist! I predict a landslide democratic victory! Cheer up John, you can still get together with Hillary and talk about how you almost won.

Posted by: IndieVisible | May 22, 2008, 8:42 pm 8:42 pm

Is this the pastor of the church that McCain has been sitting and listening to for the past 20 years? I rest my case!

Posted by: Kenny | May 22, 2008, 8:49 pm 8:49 pm

I miss Rev Wright. Remember the good ole days when you could turn the tv on on listen to Wright ranting and raving. Now he has been reduced to a shell of a man and the people in the church are cowarding in the corner. Heck, even Michelle Obama was good for a laugh or two and now they have her hiding in the closet. Remember how they use to call her “the closer”. Of course that was before she ruined any chance of him being elected president. Oh the good ole days!

Posted by: Memories | May 22, 2008, 8:55 pm 8:55 pm

Remember when McCain was a real man? A Maverick! A thorn to conservatives! Not afraid to speak his mind! Hung out with Kennedy and Obama! Was a friend of Independents and Liberals! Seems like a long time ago. Now his just a McBush. A person he would have hated even 8 years ago. A person who resembles a shadow of a man we use to know and admire. Now he is no different then George W Bush. Can you say loser?

Posted by: IndieVisible | May 22, 2008, 9:07 pm 9:07 pm

NBC didn’t even mention the connection to Holocaust in its brief reference to the renunciation and ABC evening news didn’t even carry it. This endorsement was sought by McCain for over a year. So much for the “liberal media” who tried to bury Obama for weeks but skate past Mccain’s problems with a quick wink. These are the same major media who buried the facts about Iraq until obvious to all. No wonder we are where we are with reporting like this. So much for “professional” journalism.

Posted by: Larry | May 22, 2008, 9:13 pm 9:13 pm

Oh, by golly, looks like another flip-flop by senior citizen McCain. He loved Minister Hagee and praised him for weeks and weeks. This week, he hates him. What will McCain flip-flop on next? Stay tuned…

Posted by: Mike in Chicago | May 22, 2008, 9:16 pm 9:16 pm

Good for him! I saw clips of McCain on Ellen and saw a compassionate and understanding man.
No doubt that he will kick Obama’s butt

Posted by: Raleigh Voter | May 22, 2008, 9:27 pm 9:27 pm

Flip-flopping hypocrite :~(

Posted by: 1968WhoWasI | May 22, 2008, 9:38 pm 9:38 pm

So just because Hagee prises america his hate is okay?Give me a break!!

Posted by: Laron | May 22, 2008, 9:42 pm 9:42 pm

BTW …what church do McBush attend anyway?

Posted by: 1968WhoWasI | May 22, 2008, 9:45 pm 9:45 pm

2008 – The year politicians lost their backbone. We are doomed to have a President of the United States with no foundation of values upon which to stand. McCain should know that this is just a mindless counterattack by the Obami’s to try and cover up Rev. Wrights racism and hate mongering sermons.

Posted by: Bill | May 22, 2008, 10:03 pm 10:03 pm

Raleigh Voter you can’t go by maps. All that can change and will change. But NP bro, we are all entitled to our opinions! I thought may be we can all find some common ground on Cindy, guess not. ABC removed my cindy posts. That was offensive? Compared to some of the other stuff being posted here and still up? Oh well. I still say Cindy is HOT for her age. And Obama will beat McBush.

Posted by: IndieVisible | May 22, 2008, 10:07 pm 10:07 pm

To all of you out there. Do you know that a trillion is 1000 billions. The USA owes about $40 billions to different countries. A professor said is like buying a mansion for $5 million with an income of $400 monthly. The IRS reports a collection of $400 billions annually. All that stuff that your politicians are offering is unlikely. Mrs. Clinton is the more difined bandidate hers are more credible since the Clinton’s legacy are a surplus, balanced budget and the economy in general. Democrats be very careful out there. I read on http:noratings.blogspot.com/ the following.
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” Voltaire. Be very careful with the media. Let’s no be like Africa, Odinga who didn’t get his way went about and killed thousands and thousands of people.

Posted by: alice | May 22, 2008, 10:27 pm 10:27 pm

Did my post on Cindy get removed too? I didn’t think I said anything bad…crazy..
Big Bro is watching..
Hmmm…wonder if I mention Larry Sinclair if they will remove this…lol

Posted by: Raleigh Voter | May 22, 2008, 10:27 pm 10:27 pm

I agree Alice, that is where Obama and Clinton differ, well at least Bill Clinton, but hey, her pundits call her Bill-ary so you have to give her credit for the good too.
Clinton is a conservative when it comes to the economy and social programs, it actually spells it out in wiki-pedia

Posted by: Raleigh Voter | May 22, 2008, 10:31 pm 10:31 pm

Hagee’s comments were Scriptural and Bible founded. If you Do Not know what Christianity is about, what the Bible says in a Literal, Scriptural and HISTORICAL sense you should NOT Comment. The Bible cannot be taken as ‘Sound Bites’ and MUST be looked at as a WHOLE from many angles and Interpreted with Divine Guidance after thoughtful reading. Hagee has the Historical and Biblical Understanding to do this. READ and try to Understand the Bible before you make comments and Judgments.

Posted by: Theron Helton | May 22, 2008, 10:33 pm 10:33 pm

Why isn’t McCain coming out and saying somthing about Pastor Parsley’s views as he did with Pastor Hagee? The men of faith are spreading hate. The religion does not teach hate. These men do.

Posted by: Fisher | May 22, 2008, 10:40 pm 10:40 pm

Hagee and Wright Our history tell me these men are not (all) wrong. But lets say their wrong? besides Hagee wil be under the rug in less then a week. right abc, fox, cnn,

Posted by: t.v.eddie | May 22, 2008, 10:52 pm 10:52 pm

For 391 (source from CNN) days McCain sought out Pastor Hagee’s endorsement. Why? Because he wants those votes from the Christians. He chased him (Hagee) just like he chased Cindy when he was married to another woman. But I won’t hold it against him any more then I hold Rev. Wright against Sen. Obama. It’s just politics ya’ll.

Posted by: ginger | May 23, 2008, 12:16 am 12:16 am

This goes a long way to show why the society will frown at anything a black man says and condone anything said by a white man. How can anyone come out and start defending Mccain on this issue. Some people are even going far as saying Mccain did not attend the church for twenty years. The truth is that they dug into Obama’s past and apart from Rezko, they couldn’t find anything and off they went trying to find anything that could be linked to Obama even if it meant guilty by association. Then came Pastor Wright, Ayers and co. The whole media descended on Obama. Everyday, snippets of the sermon was relayed. Infact fox and a.b.c did not want to let go and then came the critics. They hammered Obama everyday. I tell you if they hammer Mccain on this the way they hammered on Obama, he would had been placed on bed rest by now but I still think we should let the issue go. Religion and Politics should never have been mixed. Mccain was only trying to pander to the jewish and Irish by seeking Hagen and Parshley’s endorsements and even said he was glad to have finally gotten it and just when a snippet of Hagen’s sermon was relayed, he is now only realising how bad his comments were as if he has never heard of the comments. Who is he trying to fool? But know Obama will never use that on him eventhough the Republicans will still use Wright on Obama.

Posted by: jayjay | May 23, 2008, 12:51 am 12:51 am

Republicans have been hustling votes & contributions from the lowest levels of bigoted-ignorant fringe Christian creeps, like Pastor Parsley, since Richard Viguerie put together the winning combination of religious fanatics & supply side free-marketers, which has had working people voting against their economic interests for almost 30 years. It’s about time someone listened to what these lunatics are actually saying in the name of Christianity and in the name of America. Republicans made a big mistake opening up this can of worms by attacking the Rev. Wright, now it’s time for them to face their vulnerabilities. The ugly, ignorant treachery that spews from the pulpits of these right-wing scum, who have turned fundamentalist Christianity into a political party, should haunt the GOP for decades. Now it’s time to ‘Dance with them that brung you,’ Senator McCain. Good Luck at keeping their votes while you acknowledge the all-too-obvious fact that what they say is nuts.

Posted by: Joey Tranchina | May 23, 2008, 4:08 am 4:08 am

John Hagee for President

Posted by: js | May 23, 2008, 4:09 am 4:09 am

Hagee wasn’t happy about it…but it was part of God’s plan. I don’t believe God “did it” but he obviously let it run its course and it ultimately did fulfill what He said it would.
People are so ignorant today, that they disagree with things before they even stop to think about them.
Posted by: Jason | May 22, 2008 5:48:45 PM
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This is true.
Hagee’s view is correct, and those who understand what he said will agree that God needed to get His People back to Israel, and He allowed things to happen that made it happen.

Posted by: Faisal Smith | May 23, 2008, 4:14 am 4:14 am

Posted by: Paula Abdrool | May 23, 2008, 4:21 am 4:21 am

So just because Hagee prises america his hate is okay?Give me a break!!
Posted by: Laron | May 22, 2008 9:42:21 PM
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What hate??

Posted by: Mr. Incredible | May 23, 2008, 4:23 am 4:23 am

Hagee makes Jeremiah Wright look like a perfectly reasonable, if misguided, fellow. The fact is you don’t have to strip-mine 20 years of these guys sermons to find fin 20 minutes of lunacy. These guys put it in their books and it is regular fodder for their sermons. And, in case nobody noticed, Jews, in large numbers, began settling in Palestine before the FIRST World War. Hagee doesn’t even know the history of Zionism. He does know how to hustle suckers with his absolute confidence in preposterous nonsense. The fact is, these folks play to audiences of desperate people who actually pay to believe this ignorant, malicious tripe. All of that would be none of my business, if these cheap con-men were not also telling their sheep how to vote. Remember, these fundamentalist Christian cults constitute “the base” of the Republican Party. With teachers like Hagee, is it any wonder that they (69% of registered Republicans) still think George Bush is a good president? I guess everybody’s got to get their information somewhere.

Posted by: Joey Tranchina | May 23, 2008, 4:24 am 4:24 am

looks like another flip-flop by senior citizen McCain. He loved Minister Hagee and praised him for weeks and weeks. This week, he hates him.
Posted by: Mike in Chicago | May 22, 2008 9:16:45 PM
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Where and when did McCain say that he now “hates” him???

Posted by: Faisal Smith | May 23, 2008, 4:25 am 4:25 am

McCain has just lost my and half of the Texas’ votes.
Posted by: kimmi770 | May 22, 2008 6:03:47 PM
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Then, you people will empower and enable a Democrat to be president. You prefer THAT. Beautiful.

Posted by: Faisal Smith | May 23, 2008, 4:37 am 4:37 am

Larry: Your comment about the disintegration of John McCain’s character is one of the best observations I’ve read on these ABC blogs. If the Republican Party had had the horse-sense to nominate the John McCain of 2000, I would have proudly voted for him. He was a true independent — a person of clear character, courage & integrity. Obviously, he learned the painful lesson and compromised every bit of his independence to gain the acceptance of fools, which is required to win primaries in the GOP. Anyone, who believes John McCain is stupid enough to honestly believe that “Creation Science” is anything but bad theology, can vote for the joke that’s left of John McCain… not me.

Posted by: Joey Tranchina | May 23, 2008, 4:53 am 4:53 am

“The media seems to portray that McCain is just backing off because of the Jewish vote. Isn’t it possible that he just really is offended by such outrageous and insane remarks?
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yeah right, like for the one yr the where chasing his endorsement non of his staffers took time to study what the guy was about. If you dont believe he is sucking up to the Jews then you must be from another planet

Posted by: arure | May 23, 2008, 5:56 am 5:56 am

arure: “If you don’t believe he was sucking up to the Jews, you must be from another plant.” How about Mc
Cain was “sucking up” to the brain-dead, fringe Christians, until confronted with comments that were so stupid an so outrageous that they turned his stomach and, as badly as he wants to be president, he couldn’t keep from rejecting the comments and the creeps who made the comments. That’s probably just a small and mostly naive hope that John McCain has not completely sold his soul for ambition.

Posted by: Joey Tranchina | May 23, 2008, 6:14 am 6:14 am

obamabreaker: There are so many misconceptions in your comment that it’s hard to know where to start, so I’ll just dive in: FIRST: Not every ‘religion believes they are right and the other is wrong.’ Only the primitive, ignorant and backward forms of some religions believe that. The enlightened forms of all religions (post enlightenment Christianity; Talmudic Judaism; Sufi Islam; Taoism; most of Buddhism; much of Hinduism; teach that there are many paths to honor, respect and show gratitude for the gift of life. If you want to get serious, I wrote over 25 years ago: “God is a reason to love; religion an excuse to hate. Religion is the god of bigots.” I’ll stand by that, today. SECOND: America was not founded by Christians. It was founded by a mix of people who had a multiplicity of beliefs. The most important thinkers among our founding fathers are arguably Thomas Jefferson, James Madison & Benjamin Franklin. It is a great stretch of the Fundamentalist’s twisted reading of history to call them anything but “Deists” and if you can’t distinguish between a Deist is a Christian, you probably can’t tell a Bluegill from a Bass well enough to keep a fishing license. This is a country made of Citizens not Christians, and Christians who don’t know that disgrace our constitution. You are not allowing me freedom of religion to not be a Christian. But I know some Christians and it is clear that the religion is more difficult when you try practicing it yourself rather than imposing in upon other people. There’s more… but I don’t have to defend Senator Obama from absurd charges by people who repeat nonsense and choose to believe malicious lies.
WHY HAS THIS COMMENT BEEN REMOVED TWICE?

Posted by: Joey Tranchina | May 23, 2008, 7:19 am 7:19 am

^^The enlightened forms of all religions (post enlightenment Christianity; Talmudic Judaism; Sufi Islam; Taoism; most of Buddhism; much of Hinduism; teach that there are many paths to honor, respect and show gratitude for the gift of life.^^
Soooo, Jesus was a liar????
^^America was not founded by Christians. It was founded by a mix of people who had a multiplicity of beliefs.^^
Not true.
^^This is a country made of Citizens not Christians, and Christians who don’t know that disgrace our constitution.^^
Those who first settled this place were Christians bent on advancing Christianity which is a relationship, not religion. Islam is an example of religion, and so is atheism.
^^You are not allowing me freedom of religion to not be a Christian.^^
Nobody is stopping you.

Posted by: Mr. Incredible | May 23, 2008, 7:52 am 7:52 am

THAT purdy much sums it all up! Thanks, 40 States!

Posted by: Mr. Incredible | May 23, 2008, 8:01 am 8:01 am

OOPS! My bad. That should be 50 States.

Posted by: Mr. Incredible | May 23, 2008, 8:02 am 8:02 am

Well if anyone knows “crazy”, it’s McCain. He’s nuttier than a fruit cake.

Posted by: Lee | May 23, 2008, 8:44 am 8:44 am

know hit hit’em >>>>> what hit’em

Posted by: Mr. Incredible | May 23, 2008, 8:55 am 8:55 am

TANGLED UP IN GOD

Posted by: Dan Pasternak | May 23, 2008, 9:19 am 9:19 am

Well if anyone knows “crazy”, it’s McCain. He’s nuttier than a fruit cake.
Posted by: Lee | May 23, 2008 8:44:15 AM
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Don’t vote for him, then.

Posted by: Mr. Incredible | May 23, 2008, 9:19 am 9:19 am

well its about time the media dug into this- all the hand ringing and nay saying about Wright, and here’s Hagee saying the holocaust was gods will. I think its time this country really took the notion “separation between church and state” seriously.

Posted by: -jr- | May 23, 2008, 9:20 am 9:20 am

“United We Stand; Devided We Fall” Obama is Uniting people and Hillary and using every trick in the book to Devide us! Its not a hard choice to vote for the right person here, Obama For President!

Posted by: Demo Rules | May 23, 2008, 9:23 am 9:23 am

So now you decide to throw Hagee under the bus after soliciting his endorsement. Flip Flop McCain. Can’t makeup your mind what you want to do, can ya? Think I’m gonna check out Bob Barr or see what Ron Paul is going to do in the general election. I just can’t trust McCain.

Posted by: PhilBgood | May 23, 2008, 10:07 am 10:07 am

Think I’m gonna check out Bob Barr or see what Ron Paul is going to do in the general election. I just can’t trust McCain.
Posted by: PhilBgood | May 23, 2008 10:07:44 AM
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Fine. Then you don’t care that you will enable and empower a Democrat to take office.

Posted by: "Waffie" von Waffenschmidt | May 23, 2008, 10:11 am 10:11 am

I may not have wanted McCain to be the nominee, but it is what it is, and it’s more important, now, to make sure a Democrat doesn’t take the White House. I’ll vote for the lesser of two evils.

Posted by: Faisal Smith | May 23, 2008, 10:14 am 10:14 am

Posted by: BMurphyNYC | May 23, 2008, 10:18 am 10:18 am

“It’s very hard trying to do the Lord’s work in the city of Satan [our nation's capital] (laughter) and I’m very grateful to have all of you here.” — John McCain, while attending a Christians United for Israel (CUFI) meeting, July 17 2007
Posted by: BMurphyNYC | May 23, 2008 10:18:42 AM
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Then, be sure not to vote for McCain.

Posted by: Faisal Smith | May 23, 2008, 10:43 am 10:43 am

I couldn’t believe he chose to stick with this pastor when he called the Catholic Church a great *****.
Any Protestant church should be able to accept the history of the church through the Catholicism. It might not be a history they can embrace but to call the Catholic Church a whore? It is so ugly to be unconscionable.
The other thing that hurts me as a Christian is why is it so necessary to be better than the next sinner? If you believe in Christ, your own sins are equal in front of God as your neighbors. It is forgiveness that makes you worthy of God’s forgiveness. To run around calling other people ****** is forgetting what we are all supposed to care about God’s judgement NOT EACH OTHERS.
I knew it was a bad idea for the media to be trolling around churches looking for stuff they think is objectionable. Wright was a religious figure for Obama whom he had to reject and denounce in a political sphere. The media standing in for the public made it impossible for Obama to stand up. Wright through his defiance and impolitic presence at the National Press Club hastened Obama’s departure.
Now, we are in another set of churches Hagee and Parsons. They have said things that also offend wide swaths of the public through biblical exegeses. At what point, does the media want to take scholastic biblical inpretative courses so they can understand what messages these pastors are using to support their arguments?
The media needs to stay out of the church house. I have not particularly liked the gap in coverage when it comes to using the Koran to assert points that the American public does not care for either. Those texts, the Torah, the Bible, and the Koran, should be used in religious contexts by scholars who understand them. Misquoting or misattributions will be the king of the media day otherwise.

Posted by: Genna | May 23, 2008, 11:55 am 11:55 am

Mr. Incredible: You response to my post is almost too incoherent, for me to make a coherent response but I will attempt one.
“Soooo Jesus was a liar???” I don’t know. What do you think Jesus said? I read that he said: “By their fruits you shall know them.” and something about how we could spot the true Christians because they loved one another. Frankly, analyzing the fruits of Christianity in history shows a mixed basket and it seems to me that you have to go a long way to find much love among them. Your response to — SECOND: America was not founded by Christians. It was founded by a mix of people who had a multiplicity of beliefs. — was “Not true.” Well, if you believe that is not true, i think you need to stop getting your American History in church and read a book, because it is true.
To — This is a country made of Citizens not Christians, and Christians who don’t know that disgrace our constitution. — you wrote: “Those who first settled this place were Christians bent on advancing Christianity…” Well, again, you missed the point. Assuming you were referring to the Puritans, who were a group of fringe religious fruit-cakes that the Europeans, even the extremely tolerant Dutch, were glad to be rid of, founded a colony not a country. In the strange history of that colony, they did some VERY weird things, like torturing & burning women as witches — hardly role models of Christian kindness. But at the end of the day, their descendants formed one of 13 colonies. If you read the works of the Americans who signed the “Declaration of Independence” and debated and wrote the Constitution, many of them were not by any stretch of the imagination, what Christians would call “Christians.” Again, go to the public library (not the church library) get a few books and read them. Then tell me I’m wrong.
To my rather inelegant statement — You are not allowing me freedom of religion to not be a Christian. — You response, “Nobody’s stopping you.” made my want to repeat a phrase that was common many years ago, when I was in school: “Thanks, that’s mighty white of you.” The idea that Fundamentalist Christians teach lies about the history of diversity in American and believe that they have special rights in their “Christian Country,” has been very destructive to the common good of all Americans. This is essentially a political discussion not a philosophical or historical one. I assert that the effect of Fundamentalist Christianity on American politics has, on the whole, been a destructive one. Christianity is not a political party.
I also believe that their preoccupation with intrusive morality has made fools out of working people in America; it has focused their attention on non-issues (like banning abortion & slowing gay rights) which has led to their support of a government that has cost them their jobs and diminished their children’s futures. Worst of all. people have stopped listening to each other; our political dialogue has become the replay of ideological tapes; where everybody has all the answers which they can implement only by crushing the other side. Guess what, NOBODY HAS ALL THE ANSWERS. We must work together if we are going to make things work.
Anyway, that’s enough, I have work to do…jt
WHY IS THIS POST BEING DELETED? BY WHAT STANDARD DOES IT GIVE OFFENSE & TO WHOM?

Posted by: Joey Tranchina | May 23, 2008, 12:29 pm 12:29 pm

Don’t believe this was Senator McCain’s “mentor” or minister. He did the right thing. The liberal’s are becoming more and more sickening. NOBAMA for me.

Posted by: Sharon | May 23, 2008, 12:33 pm 12:33 pm

I may not be the smartest christ follower in the world, but we need to stop fighting and letting pride get the best of all races..(read all of 2nd timothy and it should say some were about teaching people with gentleness not hatred.)we dont realize that religious leaders and followers are fighing over what is right or wrong and we dont realize that satan is sneaking right under our paths and the next thing you know..BAMMMM!!!!!he got us.Im sure that we all believe that jesus will some day come back and save us all so lets help one another, love and respect one another till then and he will decide what is right or wrong…for my non believers please give you life to God, his love is so amazing, I want you to feel his love just the way I have felt it over the years..Dont feel that you messed up and no one or even god wont foegive you, He will just repent your sins with a humble and broken heart and he will forgive you…please you dont nkow how it feel to have someone love you that much..i want everyone to feel my joy…god is love….luke1:37…dont give up hope…..

Posted by: Victor Martinez | May 23, 2008, 1:40 pm 1:40 pm

“Two-cats”:
I discussed that I was disappointed in
McCain’s connection to this pastor. I am also disgusted by Obama’s pandering to his religious constituency. You fail to comment on Obama’s “cynicism.” Both candidates are forced by some of their supporters to pay homage to the religious factions of their constituency. It is my fondest wish that our leaders would reject such contact, and return to the quiet and reasoned deism of the age of enlightenment at most. Fat chance, I know.
I just feel McCain is quicker to recognize and denounce “crazy” and stupid comments, which they are, whether coming from Wright, Hagee, Moss, Farrakhan, Robertson, Falwell, etc.
Moss is just as nuts as Wright, yet Obama praises him. Obama knew, for years, that his pastor was a nut, but ignored his nutty ways. Also, Ayers was more of a friend than Obama is letting on. Ayers is a die-hard communist/marxist who flies to Venezuela to praise “the revolution” under Chavez and has childish Che stickers on his office door. (I am an unapologetic anti-communist, as well as an atheist). Just makes me worry about the cabinet and other appointments under Obama is all.
Just my subjective opinion…I respect yours, as well. If you don’t like McCain, that’s totally fine. Choosing a president to me is always about choosing the lesser of two evils, and never about having complete satisfaction. I am sure you have a principled position to dislike McCain. Let me have mine to give the edge to him.

Posted by: Wade | May 23, 2008, 2:51 pm 2:51 pm

The progressives are trying to bail the water out of Obama’s swiftboat. It’s sinking fast.

Posted by: Mack | May 23, 2008, 6:00 pm 6:00 pm

Do you think Jesus would endorse any of things these lunotic hate preachers say? I think not! They have more in common with Satan then Jesus for sure. Jesus was a liberal. McCain was crazy to let the lunitic hate preachers endorse him. He must have had a fit of demensia.

Posted by: AJ | May 23, 2008, 7:22 pm 7:22 pm

==Im sure that we all believe that jesus will some day come back and save us all…==
Not scriptural.
Only few will find the gate. Most will not.

Posted by: Paula Abdrool | May 23, 2008, 9:31 pm 9:31 pm

–Jews NOT offended by Pastor Hagee’s comments…–
The issue is settled then. I’m happy.

Posted by: Faisal Smith | May 24, 2008, 11:07 am 11:07 am

The only ones complaining are the ones who don’t know the Word of God, as that story indicates. Ain’t that always the case!

Posted by: "Waffie" von Waffenschmidt | May 24, 2008, 11:13 am 11:13 am

I’m also happy to see that Jews are coming to the aid of Pastor Hagee, backing up his statements as being scriptural.

Posted by: Mr. Incredible | May 24, 2008, 11:15 am 11:15 am

It’s always nice when the goofy Libs jump the gun and speak too soon because, then, they look so foolish. Or should I say look even more foolish.

Posted by: Rasheed "Rambo" Jones | May 24, 2008, 11:21 am 11:21 am

I wonder whether the accurate and objective journalists at the networks will report that Jewish scholars are behind Pastor Hagee’s version of the Word of God.

Posted by: Faisal Smith | May 24, 2008, 11:24 am 11:24 am

so fact >>>> so fast

Posted by: Paula Abdrool | May 24, 2008, 9:43 pm 9:43 pm

Thanks, Paula, for correcting that.

Posted by: Rasheed "Rambo" Jones | May 24, 2008, 9:45 pm 9:45 pm

It’s a relief that Pastor Hagee has been vindicated by the Jews in that story. Pastor Hagee is a scholar and could not have been wrong about what he said, and, now, Jews have come forward to say that he, indeed, has the correct interpretation of the Word of God on the subject.

Posted by: Mr. Incredible | May 24, 2008, 9:48 pm 9:48 pm

As the Washington Time story shows, Jews agree with Hagee.

Posted by: Paula Abdrool | May 25, 2008, 10:13 am 10:13 am

The lessor of two evils? McCain or Obama? Let me begin here. As I read all the comments on McCains beliefs or Obama’s. My opinion is simply this. There is a wolf in sheeps clothing lurking. I can not believe that someone can attend a group or functions or conventions,or gathering of people, or a church and listen to racial comments for 20 years and not have been effected in ways we can only imagine. Obama is nothing more than covering his motives. However, as much as I hate this bickering of church and state, I do believe its only opened a blind maybe just enough that hopfully we can see what truly lies behind Obmam’s thoughts and beliefs. If elected President, I truly will worry where he leads our nation. McCain might be older than any other President if he is elected. However, experiance comes with age. As a former Marine I know which has more experiance to lead our great military and failing Nation. I have never been Rep. or a Dem. I have always been for who I felt is the best to lead our nation. Bush has torn apart this country by his lies, and his tactics, not to mention his miserable military leadership. However, that does not mean that the Rep. party is this horrible group of people that will only carry on Bushes mistakes.
I know most people running for office tend to balance between the truth and a lie. They want to win. However, I also still believe in honor, courage and commitment that is instilled in a person when you take the oath of serving your country as a military personal. Let’s really speak the truth here. People are remember for the things they do, not for all the things they aquiered in possesions and wealth. IN the end they are remembered for their honor and how they treated others. Bush will be remembered not as a great savor to the world, but a lier. He certainly does not have his fathers charector. Obama, is a great speaker,just like Hilter was. This time for a change and lets all work together and reunite the country is nothing more than a champain slogan. Lets look beyond his slogan. Lets start to open our eyes and see that he would not of stayed in his church for 20 years if he did not believe in what was tought. If he so hated that type of remarks as his “former” pastor spoke why then did he decide after 20 years and running for the highest power in the world before he denounce his pastor.
LIke Germany, years ago….the people were struggling in hardships, wanted a change. Here now comes a captivating speaker with great promisses of hope and power. The people were mis lead and were blinded by his speaches. Obama might not be Hitler per-say because I do not believe Obama is evil…but there are red flags flapping all around him. McCain might not of been my first choice but Obama was never a choice.
I would love to believe in Obama of reuniting our country and lets make a change…however, I only believe that it will not be the change we all hoped for. McCain has my support this time around. Obama I can only hope that people will open their eyes and not let their struggles and hardship blind them to words of hope.

Posted by: Paul | May 30, 2008, 10:52 pm 10:52 pm

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