By MichaelJames

May 10, 2008 9:04am

Obama-Backing Congressman Compares Hillary Clinton to Glenn Close in ‘Fatal Attraction’

Chris Rock said it last month: "It’s going to be hard for Barack to be president. … Hillary’s not going to give up. She’s like Glenn Close in ‘Fatal Attraction.’"

Then NPR political editor Ken Rudin made the joke, saying on "CNN Sunday Morning" that Clinton was "Glenn Close in ‘Fatal Attraction’ — she’s going to keep coming back, and they’re not going to stop her." (Rudin later apologized.)

This week, Obama-backing Rep. Steve Cohen, D-Tenn., said on local television, when asked about Sen. Clinton, that "Glenn Close should have just stayed in the tub."

All were referring to Close playing the insane, deluded Alex Forrest — the wronged  "other woman" who refuses to  accept her fate and just go away, and becomes suicidal and homicidal. (And also rabbit-cidal.)

There is understandably a lot of sensitivity (and sometimes not enough sensitivity) when it comes to Clinton’s gender, Sen. Barack Obama’s race, and Sen. John McCain’s age.

The "Glenn Close in ‘Fatal Attraction’" analogy brings with it a whole carousel’s worth of baggage given the meme at the time of the release of "Fatal Attraction" that, as the late great Pauline Kael wrote in The New Yorker at the time, the "film is about men seeing feminists as witches."

"Fatal Attraction," Kael wrote, "parrots the aggressively angry, self-righteous statements that have become commonplaces of feminist fiction, and they’re so inappropriate to the circumstances that they’re proof she’s loco. They’re also the director Adrian Lyne’s and the screenwriter James Dearden’s hostile version of feminism."

No matter how you slice it, Alex Forrest was the movie’s villain, like Jason Voorhees or Michael Myers. I’d posit at the very least that it’s not keeping with Obama’s lofty campaign rhetoric to compare Clinton’s tenacity to psychosis. And it will indubitably further alienate women voters whom Obama needs to bring to his side once the Democratic race concludes.

- jpt

UPDATE: Congressman Cohen’s office has issued an apology this evening. Cohen says, “I sincerely apologize for the comments I made about Senator Clinton’s campaign. I have great respect for Senator Clinton as a US Senator. She has waged an historic campaign which has done much to break the glass ceiling.  My comments obviously do not reflect the sentiments of Senator Obama or the Obama campaign. Nor do they reflect my opinion of Senator Clinton whom I have known for years and admire. My hope is that our party will come together to work to defeat John McCain."

User Comments

Why not Obama run under the Black Panther Party …. he has divided the democratic party on the basis of race anyways.

Posted by: Jack | May 10, 2008, 9:14 am 9:14 am

These folks really need to keep their mouths shut.
On the other hand, it is clear that blogs like this are just meant to rile up Clinton/Obama supporters.
How about a something important to discuss instead?

Posted by: MIguy | May 10, 2008, 9:15 am 9:15 am

Well, those comments don’t alienate THIS White Woman!
She IS like the GLENN CLOSE character… although her “victim” is democracy and race relations which she is trying to SET BACK 40 YEARS!

Posted by: sue | May 10, 2008, 9:16 am 9:16 am

Hillary Clinton should stay in the race for as long as she wants..as long as she has supporters and there are more states to vote..Please leave the lady alone

Posted by: Earl | May 10, 2008, 9:16 am 9:16 am

SO…WEST VIRGINIA and KENTUCKY…
ARE you as RACIST as Hillary and Bill are counting on?
We’ll see…

Posted by: Sam | May 10, 2008, 9:18 am 9:18 am

IT’S OVER CLINTON FANS
You have a few choices:
(1) Write in Clinton’s name
(2) Vote for Nader
(3) Don’t vote in November
(4) Vote for McCain

Posted by: A | May 10, 2008, 9:19 am 9:19 am

More like Tanya Harding.
As to gender, what other candidate in memory stayed in a race s/e couldn’t win with the intent of damaging the leading candidate? Right, Nader. No credible candidate has been as intent on vindictiveness anywhere remotely like Clinton.

Posted by: trudy | May 10, 2008, 9:20 am 9:20 am

Jack he has divided by running in this race?????Time for a change in this country,time for new blood not the blood of the men and women in this stupid war,for God sake if you are mad she didn’t win think of them they are caught in this middle of this ,She sent them ther in the first place Lets bring them home and take care of them like they should be.This government in now saying they are all fine no problems as more and more take their own lives. .

Posted by: older white person | May 10, 2008, 9:27 am 9:27 am

Think back to Huckabee…when HE said he was staying in in case “something happened” to McCain…THEN, low and behold, the Lobbyist story came out…Was this the SOMETHING Huck was waiting for? The press was all over him…DID HE PLANT IT? Know about it?
Clinton needs to DROP OUT!

Posted by: sue | May 10, 2008, 9:28 am 9:28 am

What in hell does the fact Steve Cohen has said that on local TV has to do with Obama ?
It is not because he supports Obama that Obama is responsible. Come on now !

Posted by: Benjamin | May 10, 2008, 9:32 am 9:32 am

Jack writes, “Why not Obama run under the Black Panther Party …. he has divided the democratic party on the basis of race anyways.”
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Yep, he sure has. Granted, he did it by simply being Black and having the audacity to believe poor Whites (they really need to stop calling them working class because I’m quite sure there are millions of them on PUBLIC AID) would care more about the issues that helped make them poor.

Posted by: Dems | May 10, 2008, 9:36 am 9:36 am

All those people who are saying not to vote for McCain, what bad you saw in Hillary that you did not vote for her and voted for Obama?
I was earlier never against Obama, I just felt he needed some experience to handle this critical situation. Later I got to see his pastor, radical friends and the way his supporters did caucus and voter fraud. All this has made me dislike Obama.
We will wait for 2012 when Hillary can win if not now. We have endured 8 years of bush and another 4 years of McCain is ok atleast we know what we will be getting. But with Obama, we feel scared.
So if it is not Hillary, me and most of moderate democrats will vote McCain or sit out.

Posted by: Jack | May 10, 2008, 9:42 am 9:42 am

CLINTON HAS LOST THE NOMINATION. WHY?
Because Pelosi, Kennedy, Soros and a whole cast of characters has hijacked the moderate principles of the Democratic party. The nominating has been fixed and the results have been decided for months. Forget FL and MI — they won’t matter.
Moderate Democrats need to find a new home or mount a write-in campaign! At least their principles won’t be compromised.

Posted by: A | May 10, 2008, 9:43 am 9:43 am

This is redicules.
Hillary lost because Hillary lost, that is it done, over, she has no one to blame but herself.

Posted by: Thinking | May 10, 2008, 9:50 am 9:50 am

Hey Tenn. it’s time to take out the trash.

Posted by: Bishop | May 10, 2008, 9:55 am 9:55 am

So Obama divided the party just because he is considered african american…not by anything he said or did, but because his skin is brown??
Consider Obama white with a tan, because that is exactly what he is. He was raised by his white mother and her parents. However, because his skin is brown he was forced to identify as african american, therefore, he had to learn about its people and culture. But just watching him, he thinks white and acts white, so he is white. Barack Obama knows about as much about the black panthers, and identifies with them about as much as most of you do….which is what? Not much, right?!
After getting past his skin color its time to discuss issues that affect all of us. I believe he is ready to be Commander in Chief, on day one.

Posted by: LA in Indiana | May 10, 2008, 9:55 am 9:55 am

Hillary hasn’t lost anything yet and If Obama wants her out it might take him winning.

Posted by: Bishop | May 10, 2008, 9:58 am 9:58 am

So SNL along with its former cast member,Chris Rock, are influencing mainstream politics nowadays. It’s too bad politics is more media than issue and fact focused.

Posted by: katrina | May 10, 2008, 9:58 am 9:58 am

Freedom of speech are we not aloud to say white people any more

Posted by: Bishop | May 10, 2008, 10:03 am 10:03 am

bishop, he is winning.
Remember, Senator Obama won those 11 straight races all by himself (twelve if you count the Vermont win first that evening).
The numbers speak for themselves.

Posted by: LA in Indiana | May 10, 2008, 10:05 am 10:05 am

Oh gee Vermont! That will get him the electoral votes.

Posted by: J | May 10, 2008, 10:07 am 10:07 am

If he does get in it should be a fun four years and I don’t give a damm he still has not won.

Posted by: Bishop | May 10, 2008, 10:08 am 10:08 am

The next president will be dealing with insane zealots, power hungry leaders and maniacs with real power. If it’s Obama, will he be able to do what Douglas did to Close and pull that trigger? He has not so far and HRC is less of a threat than Lil’ Kim; Putin; Hamas; OBL; and that merry band of Mullah’s in the Middle East.
This primary has been a test for BO… and so far he has shown just how weak a leader he is.

Posted by: smartprimate | May 10, 2008, 10:09 am 10:09 am

Last time I checked Obama still did not have the over 2000 votes needed to clinch the nomination. Hillary is still fighting for the middle class. If the Democrats do decide to vote for Bittergate Man, then so be it, Hillary will be back in four years to close the deal, and hopefully the ultra-left will keep their mouths shut the next time around.
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Obama and Bittergate, we shall not forget!

Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | May 10, 2008, 10:10 am 10:10 am

Last time I checked Obama still did not have the over 2000 votes needed to clinch the nomination. Hillary is still fighting for the middle class. If the Democrats do decide to vote for Bittergate Man, then so be it, Hillary will be back in four years to close the deal, and hopefully the ultra-left will keep their mouths shut the next time around.
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Obama and Bittergate, we shall not forget!

Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | May 10, 2008, 10:10 am 10:10 am

So long as Obama does not have the number of delegates to win the nomination, he is not the nominee and Hillary does not have to quit just because some people are tired of her and want her to – this being primarly the pundits and Obama supporters. We’ve been hearing this since February.
But, everytime Obama has declared himself the winner – which is what he appears to be doing on some levels right not – he gets shot down. It happened in New Hampshire, it happened on March 4, it happened in PA and Ohio and it happened in Indiana.

Posted by: Melanie | May 10, 2008, 10:10 am 10:10 am

So wait J, you are saying because Obama did not win those states, he won’t win them in the general?
But that is what the party is for, to rally behind him and insure he wins those same states the DEMOCRATS need to win. In every presidential election there is a nominee that has not won all the states, but after the party rallys, then those states and supporters become aligned behind the nominee.
I don’t understand the issue here. If hillary had won fair and square then all supporters of other candidates are then expected to rally around the nominee, so all those states can be won.
What exactly is the issue here?

Posted by: LA in Indiana | May 10, 2008, 10:11 am 10:11 am

OBAMA WINS. HILLARY LOSES.
Come on Clinton fans. Swallow your pride and your principles and jump aboard the Obama Express.
Resistance is futile!

Posted by: A | May 10, 2008, 10:11 am 10:11 am

So long as Obama does not have the number of delegates to win the nomination, he is not the nominee and Hillary does not have to quit just because some people are tired of her and want her to – this being primarly the pundits and Obama supporters. We’ve been hearing this since February.
But, everytime Obama has declared himself the winner – which is what he appears to be doing on some levels right not – he gets shot down. It happened in New Hampshire, it happened on March 4, it happened in PA and Ohio and it happened in Indiana.

Posted by: Melanie | May 10, 2008, 10:11 am 10:11 am

Senator Cohen’s state supports Clinton, but he supports Obama. I’m sure they will put him on their list.

Posted by: J | May 10, 2008, 10:13 am 10:13 am

This has been an interesting campaign. A woman starts earlier so she can outrun the mighty men. During this time she faced bad weather, international storms, earthquakes where we do not normally have them, and another untimely death at the Kentucky Derby. It has not been rosey.
Our candidates have debated with each other to the point of fanatical and truthfully I found this very intellectually stimulating.
With all of her political knowledge, Hillary Clinton would be the best person in the Whitehouse especially during all of these natural disasters causing “natural genocide”. I think she is a lady who would run at the job of helping the crippled. Hillary Clinton for President!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Suzannaquanashawn | May 10, 2008, 10:17 am 10:17 am

McCain is the better candidate “A” we vote for the best not for the party. Look at how the party behaves. 2 states gone. Bash the woman the whole time with ridicule. Try to end the race in January. Have a convention, but don’t use it. Settle it before with a Super meeting.
McCain is the better man…the democratic party is on the way down for the 2nd time.
We recognize the BS.

Posted by: J | May 10, 2008, 10:17 am 10:17 am

Rahm Emanuel has stated that Obama is the presumptive nominee.

Posted by: LA in Indiana | May 10, 2008, 10:25 am 10:25 am

clinton cried, complained “the boys” were bullying her, the media was coddling obama, drank shots, used a southern accent while campaigning in the south. all this in the primary what will she do if we ever elelcted her. i am on the obama express, not only does he have my vote but he’s also gtting my money every month

Posted by: gail | May 10, 2008, 10:26 am 10:26 am

To Sam
So if West Virginia ans Kentucky do not vote for your boy Obama than you say they are RACIST. That is the problem with this election, people like YOU how are the ones who are RACIST and use the RACE card when ever someone does not agree with you. It is people like you that have divided the party and have thrown the Clinton’s under the bus just like Obama did to his Grandmother and his Pastor. The Clinton’s have done more for minorities than anyone else. People like you are responsible for what is going to happen and that is most of us Clinton supporters will now vote for McCain. Anyone but Obama.

Posted by: Steve Moore | May 10, 2008, 10:29 am 10:29 am

McCain-Jindal ticket will defeat Barack Obama. Then, Hillary Can run again in 2012. Current polls show that Sen. Obama is losing most battle ground states to John McCain. Without Reagan Democrats, women, older voters, Lations, Sen Obama is nothing but another John Kerry or more like Mike Dukakis! African American vote and liberal vote never got a Democrat into the White House. If Sen Obama is the nominee, it’s a huge mistake for Democrats! This is typical DNC; snaching the defeat out of the jaws of victory!

Posted by: charleychaplin | May 10, 2008, 10:34 am 10:34 am

great charley, and WHY are those people, hillary supporters, not backing Senator Obama again?

Posted by: LA in Indiana | May 10, 2008, 10:37 am 10:37 am

WHAT’S NEXT?
Hillary supporters will swallow their pride and principles and will eagerly join the Obama-Soros express.
You can take it to the bank!

Posted by: A | May 10, 2008, 10:41 am 10:41 am

The fact is that Obama hasn’t won the nomination yet. No matter how many times the media pundits and Washington insiders say it’s over and that he’s the PRESUMPTIVE nominee, the world won’t magically turn and make it so. No matter how many victory laps he makes around the capitol with his nose in the air, won’t make it so. All those millions he’s outspent Hillary with and he still can’t seal the deal. Why not?

Posted by: HoosierSue | May 10, 2008, 10:50 am 10:50 am

To A
Most of Hillary supporters WILL never vote for OBAMA AND THAT YOU CAN TAKE TO THE BANK! If it is not Hillary that it WILL be McCain

Posted by: Steve Moore | May 10, 2008, 10:51 am 10:51 am

All these people who are against Hillary really dont care if the democrats win the Whitehouse in Nov. It seems the only thing important to these women haters is that to get this unqualified man the nomination.
HE DOESNT HAVE THE NUMBER OF DELAGATES EITHER. JUST BECAUSE THE OBAMA MEDIA KEEP STATING THIS IT DOESNT MAKE IT TRUE. HE NEED SUPERDELAGATES ALSO TO REACH 2209!!!!!

Posted by: toby | May 10, 2008, 10:54 am 10:54 am

To mtd
You are Right, common sense will prevail and that is why Obama will NEVER be elected. It does do matter what party you vote for. Americans vote for what is best for them and that is NOT Obama. Only foolish Americans vote for a party and not for the person! And there you go using that word that Obama likes to use whenever he can not explain himself or his actions (SILLY).

Posted by: Steve Moore | May 10, 2008, 11:18 am 11:18 am

Jake, you are 100% right. Talk about alienating women voters against Obama! There still remains a chance for Hillary and much of it rests on women voters. Sexism and stereotypes will only help Hillary now by riling up this portion of her base.

Posted by: Vnd | May 10, 2008, 11:23 am 11:23 am

This type of behavior by male “leaders” of the Democratic party sure makes me want to vote for Obama.
McCain 08

Posted by: J | May 10, 2008, 11:34 am 11:34 am

Obama MAY become the first black president, he also may be the LAST black president. At least for the next few decades. He’s going to have a hard row to hoe (no pun intended) to prove himself worthy of the job. Everything he does or doesn’t do will be critisied by both the right amd the left.

Posted by: JR | May 10, 2008, 11:35 am 11:35 am

As a Hillary Clinton supporter my vote goes to John McCain.
McCain/Clinton 08

Posted by: toby | May 10, 2008, 11:38 am 11:38 am

When Jon Stewart made the suggestion to Sen McCain about him picking Hillary for his VP.
Just think how that would change the political scene.
McCain/Clinton 08

Posted by: toby | May 10, 2008, 11:40 am 11:40 am

If Hillary wants to stay in the race, she should do so. It’s up to her supporters to finance her campaign.
She sure wasn’t ready on day one with a campaign strategy and wasted her resources on pollsters, spin doctors and managers.
Clinton supporters, words are cheap. Contribute to her campaign. Money talks.

Posted by: time4change2008 | May 10, 2008, 11:40 am 11:40 am

It’s pretty obvious that Obama has the nominatiopn, he’s the trick of the day. People are caught up in the IDEA of him and no clear look at his qualifications is going to alter their perpective. That’s why I think he will have a hard time. When the flash is gone, does he have anything to hold people to him? People are fickle, especially young people, in six months all the glitz will be gone and so will many of his strong supporters.

Posted by: JR | May 10, 2008, 11:43 am 11:43 am

DNC has fallen into the hole that big media has dug for it. RIP!

Posted by: charleychaplin | May 10, 2008, 11:46 am 11:46 am

“all the POI (Poor Old & Ignorant) and the bitter middle-aged women who so strongly identify with her because they too are stuck in loveless marriages to men who treat them like crap because they don’t have the smarts or the guts to walk away – to go ahead and vote for McBush”……….spoken like a true REPUBLICAN. You may call yourself an Obama supporter but you aren’t. You give good reasons to vote for McCain.

Posted by: JR | May 10, 2008, 11:47 am 11:47 am

The clintons started out before the primary with over 146 million, and not only it didn’t help.. but she now is in debt.
If this is the way she had plan to run the country .sorry!!! I’ll take a pass.
Barack ran a masterful campaign blowing out the competition on both sides.
America is in good hands already .have no fear as Barack would say “HELP is on the way.

Posted by: susie30 | May 10, 2008, 11:48 am 11:48 am

The more Obama’s campaign, surrogates, and supporters continue to verbalize idiotic analogies and make fun of HIllary’s supporters, the more they enforce the decision that he is not the man for the job. Barack Obama has run the most divisive campaign this country has ever seen, and seems to have brought out a lot of hatefulness in many of his supporters. Hopefully, voters will see this in November. Better to vote for what you know, than throw caution to the wind and vote for someone just because he represents “change.” Change isn’t always such a great thing, and a lot of people better be careful what they wish for, especially the young voters who haven’t a clue yet on what real problems lie ahead of them. Many of them are just voting for an image.

Posted by: dwc | May 10, 2008, 12:01 pm 12:01 pm

steve moore i agree with you. i am a registered independent. if hillary is not on the ticket, i will vote for mccain. i vote for the person and not the party.

Posted by: dj jones | May 10, 2008, 12:07 pm 12:07 pm

steve moore i agree with you. i am a registered independent. if hillary is not on the ticket, i will vote for mccain. i vote for the person and not the party.

Posted by: dj jones | May 10, 2008, 12:07 pm 12:07 pm

And why is it Obama can talk about black americans voting for him and want him to be president and it’s okay. Hillary talks about white americans voting for her and wanting her to be president and she’s a racist. Get a grip folks facts are facts.

Posted by: maryintampa | May 10, 2008, 12:08 pm 12:08 pm

LIKE THE SUPERS, HILLARY SUPPORTERS WILL FLOCK TO BO.
There will be two democratic campaigns. One will be directed to McCain and the other will convince Clinton supporters that the party is worth more than their principles.
Most all will join the Obama band-wagon.

Posted by: A | May 10, 2008, 12:10 pm 12:10 pm

Insults of Obama by anyone stupid enough to vote for George Bush twice should be considered a compliment. You voted twice for the worst President in US history MORONS!!!

Posted by: Jim | May 10, 2008, 12:12 pm 12:12 pm

rdub
You’re hallucinating again.

Posted by: A | May 10, 2008, 12:27 pm 12:27 pm

Whether Hillary stays in or not doesn’t have anything to do with Obama’s problems with Democrats. Many, like me, who gravitated to Hillary after other candidates dropped out, are not happy with the media’s choice for our nominee or with Ted Kennedy’s, Kerry, and others in the party. I grew to respect Hillary’s awesome political savvy after watching her in the debates and then began to contribute to her campaign. We are not happy with Obama as a candidate…he’s too inexperienced, we don’t know who he is, he’s been pushed down our throats by the media, and we don’t feel Obama can win in November. It’s that simple.

Posted by: Two-cats | May 10, 2008, 12:34 pm 12:34 pm

Is this true???
It’s all over in dif.blogs and we talk about it here in europe…
Obama is a mystery man…
we feel sorry for you America…

Posted by: voice from europe | May 10, 2008, 12:41 pm 12:41 pm

@voice from europe:
With all due respect, just because you don’t know who the American candidates are doesn’t mean those of us living here do not. Our candidates here are all mostly the same; yes, some will call one or the another “liberal” or “conservative” but they are not really different in the sense that European candidates can be.
I do not think you were trying to be condescending, but your post certainly reads that way. Keep your sympathy for yourself, America has no need for it.

Posted by: MIguy | May 10, 2008, 12:45 pm 12:45 pm

jbate
What a great reason to vote republican!

Posted by: Aston | May 10, 2008, 12:46 pm 12:46 pm

I am a liberal and for Clinton …not a moderate Democrat in the least. I will not vote for McCain. Period. But I do not want Obama to be our candidate for the reasons I have already stated.

Posted by: Two-cats | May 10, 2008, 12:46 pm 12:46 pm

From my perspective, the people who are doing all the dissing are Obama supporters who in their ardent passion have made and are still making rank, unacceptable statements about other Democrats and Clinton in particular.

Posted by: Two-cats | May 10, 2008, 1:01 pm 1:01 pm

Give the woman her chance ….Obama is way arrogant and so as his surrogates ….they will be in for a sore surprise ….I say Clinton should fight on and give all these arrogant guys a lesson ..they had counted her out before and she has kept coming back …JOhn Mc Cain can come back from worse than this ….what is the hurry ???why Obama does not quit for the party’s shake , why Clinton..after all , she is way more experient than him and they the CLintons did much more for the party than this junior senator could ever do …..this is gross injustice …the clintons have been stabbed from behind by the media , by the black community , by their betrayal friends and by the majority of the party they helped brought back from the Death……..I say clinton should fight on just to show these arrogant guys a lesson , they want you to roll over and play dead even though you has shown that you are more capable than their guy , I say that give you more reason to fight on , to the End , if need be , as an independent like Joe Libermann ….Hillary still can count on white folks , working folks , woman , people with some sense of fairness and justice to lift her to victory ….it ain’t over ’til it’s over , and don’t you let anyone play with your mind and tell you it’s over just because they want you to give up so that they can benefit from it ….No way ….go HIllary , Go Mc Cain …..Go back to your nutty pastor Obama…..

Posted by: alohaone | May 10, 2008, 1:03 pm 1:03 pm

Obama08 ..When elected America will be the cool kid on the block again, and will be ready to LEAD the WORLD.
Michael 40…..
No Miguy…I did not meen to harm your feelings…
But when I read something like this and that you (US)are ready to LEAD the WORLD…I think i’m aloud to ask?
You see we in europe do belive that we are able to lead our on country…and we do it very well indeed…free healtcare/doctors/lots of jobs/
Hillary and Bill Clinton are very poupular over here…and we do respect McCain…
I have family and friends in Usa…and I do follow the election daily…
Best from Liz

Posted by: voice from europe | May 10, 2008, 1:09 pm 1:09 pm

With all this talk about Blacks were going to revolt if Obama didn’t win I guess that Hillary’s voters are being totally underestimated….middle Americans…and women…. who can no longer be described as “White” in the alternate universe of the far left and Obama’s rabid supporters.
14 million strong and counting….we will not be insulted…at lest 40 to 50% of us are already voting for McCain.

Posted by: JA | May 10, 2008, 1:14 pm 1:14 pm

jbate, If you think that you are doing Obama a favor, I have news for you. Or maybe you are a Republican stirring up trouble…whatever, I am not happy with Obama as our candidate. Attacking Bill Clinton is not going to make me like Obama or vote for McCain.

Posted by: Two-cats | May 10, 2008, 1:22 pm 1:22 pm

I have been a democratic voter for many elections and I have never seen a woman or black man create so much excitement.
I believe that the Obama appeal is his background and his platform to work with ordinary Americans. He understands what prejudice is and he didn’t grow up having everything, but his single (white)mother gave him the tools and support he needed to work towards earning a good education and self improvement. I believe he wants to “Unite” people and energize them as equals to do the best they can to live the American dream and that is truly a new dynamic.
I believe he will work for all the people and that is a very important part of being Commander and Chief of the greatest nation on earth.
I am proud to say I went into the California primary booth to actually vote for Senator Clinton because I knew who she was and out of nowhere I voted for Obama, a light went on in my head in the voter’s booth and I couldn’t forget his theme “CHANGE YOU CAN BELIEVE IN”. I thought for a few more seconds about some of his campaign slogans and things he brings to the table, so I voted for Obama.
I think all Americans need something to believe in and someone who understands the human condition before political fallout.

Posted by: Lou | May 10, 2008, 1:40 pm 1:40 pm

I be an ignorant monkey please teach me to spell so I can post ignorant black comments

Posted by: Thinking | May 10, 2008, 2:07 pm 2:07 pm

HILLARY RESEMBLES AND REMINDS ME OF CHUCKY. THE MINUTE YOU THINK SHE’S DEAD, THAT UGLY FACE OF HERS POPS RIGHT BACK UP.
Posted by: jbate | May 10, 2008 1:59:19 PM
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I would say she is more the Huckabee on the DEM side ,much ado about nothing, Barack will continue to just ignore and look towards the big task at hand.

Posted by: MPD | May 10, 2008, 2:07 pm 2:07 pm

at this point, it doesnt matter to me if OBAMA does not win, as long as that change the game win you are down, evey vote now count but would not count if you won on super tuesday Hillary Clinton doesnt win

Posted by: eugene | May 10, 2008, 2:10 pm 2:10 pm

Why is the media and her supporters treating her like she’s still a viable candidate in this race? There is no way for her to win. He has the most delegates, is now even with super delegates, has the most states and the most popular vote. He’s the one who brought millions of new voters in to the process. She made an early agreement not to count Florida and Michigan and now she’s reneging. This race is soooo over. Everyone acts like the queen deserves a consolation prize. She’s not the first candidate ever to lose a nomination. She’s such a “bitter” sore loser. It’s proof that she’s in it for herself.

Posted by: DC from NJ | May 10, 2008, 2:12 pm 2:12 pm

To use a sports ANALOGY ,The upcoming STATES that will vote. Barack is a like a basketball team that is up by 50 points with 2 minute left. he can go scoreless for the remaining 2 mins and she can score on every remaining positions, Not going mean anything to the score or the outcome . barack already setting up offices in the big states to take on McCain. translation..
barack dont really care about the remaining states he already put his benchwarmers on the basketball floor. and is thinking about the champonship game in November.
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Posted by: andy | May 10, 2008, 2:20 pm 2:20 pm

Hillary and Bill have conducted themselves in a most unbecoming manner during this process. But then again, Bill never was a statesman. If Obama has the poor judgment to put her on his ticket after everything she’s done to him I will definitely vote McCain. She started off her campain by trying to insuate he was muslim. Then her campaign released the picture of him visiting africa wearing traditional garb. Then she questioned his patiotism. Now she’s playing the white race card. If he can get past that, he should be running for sainthood. Hilary is a diabolical, cold, calculating, selfish, power hungry woman who thinks she’s entitled to the Presidency.

Posted by: DC from NJ | May 10, 2008, 2:23 pm 2:23 pm

RE the Steve Moore posting May 10 1:36:11. Then his republican rival for the senate seat Jack Ryan was disposed of when a judge in Chicago unsealed his sealed divorce and custody papers over the objections of both Jack and his former wife Jeri Ryan. They had been sealed at the request of both parties and “someone” pushed a judge to unseal as the public right to know. It created a scandal that Jack Ryan could not rise above and he had to withdraw. He was extremely popular and favored to win. Obama ran virtually unopposed. My the cards fall in his direction!

Posted by: maryintampa | May 10, 2008, 2:25 pm 2:25 pm

Mary in Tampa: It was Hillary who never had any real competition for her two senate races. Her first race was against an unknown congressman her second against a 70 year old former mayor of Yonkers. Hillary is where she is because of Bill and uninformed voters in NY. By the way, upstate New York is still waiting for those jobs she promised. Guess she’s not all that good on solutions.

Posted by: DC from NJ | May 10, 2008, 2:30 pm 2:30 pm

If the Democratic party leaders and the media along with Obama manage to deprive Hillary of her democratic right to campaign up to the convention, then there’s nothing left of the Democratic party. They will have made a joke out of the word ‘democratic’. They’ve bent rules to accommodate Obama and broken even more to ‘hurry up’ the process in his favor. Hillary will ‘steam roll’ Obama in the next few primaries. He won’t have the black vote and the true majority voters will be speaking. But because of the Democratic party’s un-democartic behavior, they won’t be heard. Obama is unelectable. We will be plagued with Republican rule for 4 more years… but in comparison to Obama and his illegal/immoral cohorts, McCain is at least honorable.
Nobody should stand by and allow a campaign to be shoved out of the democratic process and I don’t think the democratic party would ever attempt to do so to a male.
Hillary as an Independent ! ’08
If not Hillary… then… McCain ’08

Posted by: SM | May 10, 2008, 2:34 pm 2:34 pm

The Democratic Party has demonstrated that loyalty is meaningless in this election, that’s why I may choose not to vote for the democrats in this November election.
Simply because your candidate opponent is leading in delegates, does not mean you have to switch your vote. The question is, on what basis was the pledge made the first time? Simply no spine or principles in their decision. Just going with the flow.
That is sad to see.

Posted by: SO | May 10, 2008, 2:36 pm 2:36 pm

SM: No one is depriving her of anything. For her,it’s not about giving everyone ther say, it’s about her own selifish aspirations. When other candidates saw that the math wasn’t going to work for them they graciously yielded. She’s starting to look desperate. Even if by some miracle the supers were to hand the race over to her it would be a really ugly win and she would never be considered legitimate. Bottom line: the Democrat caucus and primary process is based on delegate wins — nothing else.

Posted by: DC from NJ | May 10, 2008, 2:39 pm 2:39 pm

Kurt: I got news for you. Obama supporters are not just left wingers. I am a Republican woman who voted twice for Bush and supported the war early on. I’m one of those people who realizes the error of my ways and wants REAL change. Hillary does not represent that. There are a lot of us disillusioned Republicans out here who are tired of the stalemate in Washington.

Posted by: DC from NJ | May 10, 2008, 2:43 pm 2:43 pm

DC from NJ,
It seems what you want is for Hillary to just rollover and play dead for Obama.
Racking up delegate from the red states does not make you a formidable candidate.
It’s easier winning the nomination than winning the general election where the cameras are not pointed at the booth. I do hope that Obama wins in November, but I have been around long enough to know what’s coming in November.
It’s going to be ugly. God helps us.

Posted by: Sam | May 10, 2008, 2:44 pm 2:44 pm

Sam: If I thought Hillary genuinely had the country’s best interest at heart I could probably support her. The woman is so transparent. I’ve been following her long enough to know that she’s a total phony. Be honest with yourself — do you really believe that Hillary is that down home girl she’s been trying to portray?

Posted by: DC from NJ | May 10, 2008, 2:49 pm 2:49 pm

Change we can believe in, i understand for sure,but yes we will is what i don’t understand,does it mean yes we will pull out?

Posted by: bp | May 10, 2008, 2:53 pm 2:53 pm

To DC from NJ
Obama only talks CHANGE. Bush talked during his bid for the white house about CHANGE and working together. Well guess where that got us. We need MORE than talk, what we need right now is a true fighter who will stand up for working class people and that’s what Hillary is about. Don’t talk about what you feel people want to hear but do something. Bill And Hillary have proven that they will fight for the working class, not just talk. The Clintons have a lot of problems just like ALL politicians but they have also proven that they can do alot for the working class. Everyone talks about not wanting the past but it seems to me that things were alot better 8 years ago. Bush was suppost to be the new change that everyone wanted, well if that is Change that I want no part of it.

Posted by: Steve Moore | May 10, 2008, 3:00 pm 3:00 pm

One of the major things against Obama is his backers and the things they say. Go ahead, alienate those of us that voted for Clinton. Then don’t be upset when we don’t vote for Obama in Nov.

Posted by: Kikiva | May 10, 2008, 3:02 pm 3:02 pm

It was Obama who made race an issue by the company he keeps and the mentors and spiritual advisers he has. It was Obama who made class an issue by the swipes he took at “bitter” “clinging” average Americans. It was Obama who made age an issue by saying that McCain “lost his bearings” code for he’s off his rocker, too old, off his meds etc.And now it’s Obama supporters making gender an issue — Hillary is a fighter and a determined woman so she is like the stalker in Fatal Attraction. Tell you the truth I haven’t seen a whole lot of unifying coming from Obama!!

Posted by: hopesprings52 | May 10, 2008, 3:23 pm 3:23 pm

To DC from NJ
THAT IS NOT CHANGE. That is young people voting on the HOPE of Change. Bush talked about change and a lot of people fell for it. It is only words. Obama needs to prove he can make the changes, Not just talk about changes. Obama at this time is a huge ? and no one knows what he can or will do.

Posted by: Steve Moore | May 10, 2008, 3:25 pm 3:25 pm

None of you Hillary supporters is appalled that both McCain and Bush categorically do NOT support current legislation by Webb (Virginia) which would re-institute the ‘GI Bill’ for our nation’s returning veterans, like we did for both WWII and Vietnam vets? You’re going to vote for McCain anyway in the national election, despite his continued support for the war and tax breaks for the wealthy? Why? Because you are mad at Obama and his supporters? Explain to me why you are so incensed at the outcome of the democratic primary that you would support the Republican party and McCain’s various objectionable positions. What am I missing?

Posted by: rco | May 10, 2008, 3:31 pm 3:31 pm

To rco
Bush scar tactics will not work. If Hillary is not the nominee than I and most others will vote for McCain. Good or Bad you know what you are getting with Hillary or McCain but Obama is one HUGE ? mark. That would be to big of a risk to take to vote for him.

Posted by: Steve Moore | May 10, 2008, 3:45 pm 3:45 pm

Barack , out of pure respect for a fellow black Illinois state legislator, did not want to challenge a popular incumbent. He waited as long as he could, and then we she made her intentions public, he met with her, to make sure that she was indeed leaving office permanently, prior to initiating a costly campaign and drumming up the usual support among state leaders and donors. Palmer had assured Barack that she was vacating her seat, and said that she would enthusiasticly support his campaign, which she subsequently did. Then she got her butt spanked in the polls trying to run for higher office, and then came back and told Barack to step down, after he had invested his supporter’s time, money, and energy into running for her vacated seat. Then she broke state election laws (actually with admitted and documented fraud) to re-enter the race late in the game, and was called on it by the Obama campaign, and then forced to withdraw from the process for re-election, to avoid further legal ramifications and unwanted attention. She remains bitter. She got spanked, she committed fraud, got caught, and crawled away embarrassed. End of story. No knock on Obama’s campaign. Check your facts.

Posted by: rco | May 10, 2008, 3:47 pm 3:47 pm

Steve Moore, you didn’t address my question. I didn’t ask why you favor Hillary over Obama. Tell me why you are against the ‘GI BIll’ and for continuing the war, and tax breaks for the wealthy, and a lack of a plan for the economy (recession-mortgage crisis!) like your buddy McCain? While you’re at it, go ahead and explain to me why you don’t want health care reform? You would vote for McCain even if you don’t believe in his politics and policies? Please explain for all of us dems in as much detail as possible, unless you are a Republican, then no explanation is necessary.

Posted by: rco | May 10, 2008, 3:56 pm 3:56 pm

One point in my life I voted for her husband twice. Unfortunately I think he brought us George W. I am at a point as a 46 yr old white man we need a revolution. I only see Bill and Hillary as more of the same.
More hate and division. Which is evident on these comments from this page.

Posted by: john | May 10, 2008, 3:57 pm 3:57 pm

To john
It is Obama and the Media that has brought on the Hate and Divide not the Clintons. Right now the past (Clinton Years) look pretty danm good to me and sometimes you need to go back before you can go foreward. Obama is all talk and one hugh ? mark.

Posted by: Steve Moore | May 10, 2008, 4:03 pm 4:03 pm

All that feministy stuff may be true, but them thar West Virginians and Kentuckians sure do appreciate a candidate what knows how to cook a good rabbit stew!

Posted by: rita forte | May 10, 2008, 4:19 pm 4:19 pm

Edna, you’re frustration is understandable. I apologize for upsetting you.

Posted by: rco | May 10, 2008, 4:19 pm 4:19 pm

Ok, Steve, have it your way, vote how you like. Sorry for upsetting you.

Posted by: rco | May 10, 2008, 4:22 pm 4:22 pm

JD51, I agree with you. In spite of what the HIllary supporters think of us on these blogs, we are rational and have put a lot of thought into it. We are not kool-aid drinking fanatics wowed by his eloquent rhetoric. Obama will be a thoughtful and fine president, and he will be good for the country. I try not to let all these closet republican bloggers posing as democrats rile me up to much, because the eventual outcome is obvious.

Posted by: rco | May 10, 2008, 5:01 pm 5:01 pm

rco: Your alleged ability to know what you simply cannot know (i.e. the political affiliation of every blogger on this article) is emblematic of Obama cultists in general. Hubristic, unreasonably self-assured, but sorely misinformed.

Posted by: Terry | May 10, 2008, 5:05 pm 5:05 pm

jailbait: I stand corrected. It appears that you at least understand law school examinations. That also means that you’ve been trained to “think like a lawyer.” I suggest you do so, and research Obama, his past, and his affiliations, for if you do, you will likely change your mind about him. Another question. What is the name of the theology which Obama has been soaking up for 20 years?

Posted by: Susan | May 10, 2008, 5:44 pm 5:44 pm

Obama is not the winner yet. Just remember that. Of course the comparison to Glen Closes character is sexist and obnoxious, but so is the media continuing to tell the same story over and over and that is the false story that Obama has it in the bag.

Posted by: TeresaINPa | May 10, 2008, 5:44 pm 5:44 pm

The Obama campaign has made it perfectly clear: Obama and his minions hate strong women, seniors, and democracy. Obama, who went to Ivy League schools, believes there are 57 States in the Union. He said so in his speech in Oregon just the other day. It’s on tape. But that’s not surprising; he stands for nothing and knows not a thing.

Posted by: Toni | May 10, 2008, 6:56 pm 6:56 pm

Jettrout: You mean that you’re not looking forward to 4 or 8 years of the race card being thrown at anyone who dares criticize the messiah? What’s wrong with you :)

Posted by: Edith | May 10, 2008, 7:41 pm 7:41 pm

jailbait: Why are you comparing Obama to Lincoln? Is it because some say that although he led the Union to victory over the South, he was racist?

Posted by: Susan | May 10, 2008, 7:53 pm 7:53 pm

jbate: Yeah, Hagee is a pretty bad actor. It’s a good thing that McCain is not a member of his church, and especially good that McCain would not be so stupid as to attend the church for 20 years and consider Hagee to be his “mentor and spiritual adviser.” If he were that stupid, he would not deserve to be President of the United States.

Posted by: Edith | May 10, 2008, 7:58 pm 7:58 pm

jbate: Yes, I forgot. After a 20 year attendance and relationship with his “mentor and spiritual adviser,” Obama did denounce him once his relationship was exposed by the press. The sincerity of such a denunciation at that particular moment was truly moving and convincing to those whose minds are clouded by the messiah Kool-Aid. The rest of us saw it for what it really was; a much too late attempt to rehabilitate his image. You may wish to remain in the dark and blindly follow your messiah, but please don’t fault the rest of us for our objectivity.

Posted by: Edith | May 10, 2008, 8:08 pm 8:08 pm

Barack’s campaign manager Larry Sinclair advised his client to denounce these charges, once again proving that Larry Sinclair is an up and coming name in Washington circles.

Posted by: Alison | May 10, 2008, 9:12 pm 9:12 pm

JD51: If you hate liars why are you voting for Obama then. Isn’t Obama the one who said I didn’t hear my pastor say those words when he was sitting in the pew? Of course he heard those words.Didn’t Obama tell Geroge S. that he doesn’t know Ayers that well when they live next door to each other in Hyde Park and both had dinner together plus Ayers donated to his campaign. Oh, the company he keeps. Rezko is a crook and Obama was an attorney for him. Who do you think bought Obama’s house for him. I can’t imagine how much cash Obama got from Rezko that was not reported to the IRS.

Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | May 10, 2008, 9:50 pm 9:50 pm

OBAMA: THE POLITICIAN OF “CHANGE”: Chicago Sun-Times—A close examination of Obama’s first campaign clouds the image he has cultivated throughout his political career: Obama, who runs on a message of giving a voice to the voiceless, first entered public office not by leveling the playing field, but by clearing it. Alice Palmer, friend and mentor to Obama, served the district in the Illinois Senate for much of the 1990s. Decades earlier, she was a community organizer in the area when Obama was growing up in Hawaii. She risked her safe seat to run for Congress and touted Obama as a suitable successor. But when Palmer lost the congressional race, her supporters asked Obama to fold his campaign so she could easily retain her state Senate seat. Obama not only refused to step aside for the woman who was his friend and had recommended him for the seat, he filed challenges that nullified Palmer’s hastily gathered nominating petitions, forcing her to withdraw. Had Palmer survived the petition challenge, Obama would have faced the daunting task of taking on an incumbent senator. “He wondered if we should knock everybody off the ballot. How would that look?” said Ronald Davis, the paid Obama campaign consultant whom Obama referred to as his “guru of petitions.” Davis filed objections to all four of Obama’s Democratic rivals at the candidate’s behest. All other candidates were disposed of by Obama’s challenges. He then went on to win the election.

Posted by: Sally | May 10, 2008, 9:50 pm 9:50 pm

Sue: I am voting for that white women and if she doesn’t get the nomination I will vote for that white man. This campaign is about race and it all started with Obama and Al Sharpton. Obama is not going to unite anyone because he can’t. People have to unite with one another themselves but the public is falling for his false speech and you are too. Get a grip on life. The president doesn’t unite races together. Where have you been. Besides that, let me remind you that Obama is not black or white he is Mulatto and that word is here to stay. You can’t call a white/black man black when he isn’t.

Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | May 10, 2008, 9:56 pm 9:56 pm

“OBAMA BACKERS MAKE THEIR THREAT” MASSIVE VOTER FRAUD?- Executive Intelligence Review – “Those who are attempting to shut down the Clinton campaign and control this Presidential election have no allegiance to Democratic Party, or to the United States.”
The Democratic presidential nomination process is still in progress. Obama does not have the requisite number of delegates for the nomination; he has no presumptive lock on the nomination. All remaining states must vote and the superdelegates must select the most qualified presidential candidate using their indepedent judgment. Sen. Clinton is the most qualified presidential candidate and she must continue her fight for the future of America. All rational Democrats should contribute frequently to the Hillary Clinton Campaign

Posted by: Fred | May 10, 2008, 9:59 pm 9:59 pm

Sam: I think you have that wrong. Obama is the biggest racist of any candidate that ran for office in this country. Fact is, he doesn’t like whites or blacks. He is using both races to get elected in office. He likes his own people, the Kenyans where he was born, brought to Hawaii by his mother and registered here but he is a citizen of Kenya also. Get a grip. People that are not racial do not attend a racist church with an anti-american pastor for 20 years unless they are racial themselves.

Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | May 10, 2008, 10:00 pm 10:00 pm

John McCain looks worn out. Where do you think he would lead you bitter Hillary supporters. Crossover and stay over. Change start in your head.

Posted by: tony | May 10, 2008, 10:04 pm 10:04 pm

Sally: That was a true statement about Obama. I was told about his dirty political moves regarding his run for the senate seat. I find him to be extremely underhanded and ability to double cross any one that gets in his way if he could. He has this young generation of college students fooled by his RFK speeches which he studied from a book given to him. For a college graduate he isn’t that bright, but tricky and cunning. The white people should wake up to the fact that he doesn’t like white people, he is only using them for their votes and they are so dumb they can’t see thru him.

Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | May 10, 2008, 10:07 pm 10:07 pm

Hillary’s out of money. Gameover.

Posted by: oppong | May 10, 2008, 10:13 pm 10:13 pm

Maryanne,
Are you kidding us? You are calling Obama underhanded and doublecross anyone that gets in his way? I think you forgot to substitute Obama for Hillary in your writing. Come on..have you missed how the Clinton’s politically operate in the past 20 years? If you are not with them, you are against them and they make life very difficult for you. Why not do some research on Hillary…the fact that she is being sued in California for attempting to hide over $1,000,000 in soft money donations…the judge recently decided she does not need to trstify until after the November elections…what about Whitewater…what about her investment in Tyson Foods where she was advised by an insider of the company and turned a $2,000 investment into $120,000 in 12 months…what about her not bowing out of this race gracefully fully understanding she can not win and supporting the eventual nominee of the party. Come on Maryanne…it is people like yourself that scare the heeck out of me as a fellow democrat.

Posted by: Rob | May 10, 2008, 10:19 pm 10:19 pm

would someone like to explain this argument that hillary is in a better position to win the general but obama isnt.If she is a better candidate why couldnt she win her own primary

Posted by: Ainsley Mccullagh | May 10, 2008, 11:20 pm 11:20 pm

“Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community. Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love.”
Obama’s so-called religion – black liberation theology.

Posted by: Susan | May 10, 2008, 11:35 pm 11:35 pm

The entire Clinton campaign was built on a pack of lies:
1) Sen. Clinton has more experience than Obama. Sleeping next the president? Being a lawyer for Wal-Mart? Being a US Senator for 8 years?
Obama’s experience: Part time constitutional law instructor at Univ. Chicago 1993-2004. Illinois State Senate 1996-2004. US Senate (IL) 2004-present.
2) Hard-working white people don’t like him. Not necessarily. They just like Clinton better.
3) Not ready for the presidency. Gosh, he has run a pretty good campaign, don’t you think? Better than Sen. Clinton’s.
4) Not tough enough. Here is a guy who is black and has a strange name, and who has to start campaigning in Iowa. Then, he has endured smear tactics from the Clintons and the Republicans. I’d say he’s pretty tough.
I am sooooo tired of Clinton. Sen. Obama, please don’t select Sen. Clinton as your running mate, but if you do, watch your back.
Yes, we can!

Posted by: w_roos | May 10, 2008, 11:44 pm 11:44 pm

Kelly: I agree with you 100%. I’ve been a lifelong Democrat, but I’m disgusted with the actions of my party. Since when did the Democratic Party stand for rationalizing racism, disenfranchising millions of voters, and rampant sexism, all to shove Obama down our throats. I’ve already contact our local Republican Party and told them that if Hillary is not our candidate, they can count on me and my extended family to do everything in our power to assure the election of John McCain. Better a centrist Republican, than an inexperienced, deceptive, ruthless, divisive and racist Obama.

Posted by: Susan | May 10, 2008, 11:57 pm 11:57 pm

Ainsley Mccullagh :
Hillary DID win her primary!
RCO:I prefer the story of Alice Palmer as told by Alice Palmer..
and that wasn’t the only election in which Obama was a candidate which went
awry.
Sam: West Virginia and Kentucky are two of my favorite states.and don’t deserve to be called racist if they’re as smart as I think they are, and gift their vote to Hillary Clinton.
I am not a racist either…. nor are most of those voters who are disenchanted with Obama. Frankly, I find this description as a distinction between Hillary supporters and Obama nayers… is a total turn off.
And if I were to describe B O in terms of color, the word would definitely be G R E E N!!!!

Posted by: eyes wide open | May 11, 2008, 12:13 am 12:13 am

That’s funny, really. Poor Hillary. I guess when you make promises to every constituencies inside and outside the U.S. one wonders how exactly you are going to make good on all of them and still govern the country. At least I do. Now, I gave her a bunch of money and I was quite willing to see her win. But it is just not meant to be. And if Obama looses against McCain, that’s just the way it goes. History is in the making.

Posted by: cestfini | May 11, 2008, 12:16 am 12:16 am

Obama reminds me of Hercule. looks smart, but clumsy and nerdy.and a looser.

Posted by: libre | May 11, 2008, 12:19 am 12:19 am

Mrs. Hillary supporters please, please don’t vote Republican, or you either write her name in the ballot or vote Nader. Democratic primary election are mostly open that gives room for manipulation. Let’s hope Mrs. Clint on wins and we elect and re-elect her backers and new fresh people don’t vote people who doesn’t back her what we need is people who wants the best for this country.

Posted by: alice | May 11, 2008, 12:20 am 12:20 am

libre and Alice: I wish Hillary could win as an independent, but I fear that a write-in vote for her or no vote at all will result in a win for Obama. The best way to stop Obama if he is the Democratic candidate, is to vote for McCain. Better a Republican centrist, than an inexperienced, deceptive, ruthless, divisive, racist Obama.

Posted by: Elaine | May 11, 2008, 12:26 am 12:26 am

Elaine or Susan No a write in fo sen Clinton won’t go to Obama. I would never vote for Obama but I would never vote for McCain either. stop campigning for him.

Posted by: libre | May 11, 2008, 12:44 am 12:44 am

How the party thinks that Obama can win without Democrats from California, Pennsylvania, New York, Michigan, Florida, …? and the rural, blue collar, and Hispanic votes everywhere?

Posted by: libre | May 11, 2008, 12:44 am 12:44 am

We don’t hate Obama and the fact that we wouldn’t vote for him has nothing to do with race but with his lack of capacity, his divisivness, his radical friends, his selling of political favors in exchange fo money to Rezko and Blackwell, the old politics tactics he used to win the Illinois senator seat. He is fake and deceiving

Posted by: libre | May 11, 2008, 12:58 am 12:58 am

i know o’ bama has the blck vote i want you to remember when bill had the black vote what has changed now with hillary are you voteing black because of o’bama because of race listen to hilary’s commitment what bill did hilary will surpass ecomeny will be better health care will be better etc. you need to listen to her im not into women i love men but iknow she is the right person for president

Posted by: optican501 | May 11, 2008, 1:09 am 1:09 am

What is wrong with these men? So much for starting the process of uniting this party. Kennedy’s comments yesterday probably got McCain a few more votes and now this knucklehead’s
comments just got McCain some more votes. Is this how the Democratic party intends to bring the half of this party who supports Clinton back into the fold?
I think they’re being a little over-confident and arrogant and taking the other half of the party that supports Clinton for granted. I’m of an age where social issues such as abortion are not going to be a priority in deciding for whom to vote, so while I certainly do not support the Republican’s positions on social issues,
I could still vote for McCain. I mean c’mon, I’m in a party right now where it’s acceptable to equate Clinton with the Fatal Attraction character. I’m in a party where it’s just expected that Clinton will make the sacrifice and take into account and prioritize other people’s feelings and drop out. She’s a women and that’s what a woman should do.
I have no doubt if she were male that there would be calls for him to drop out
but I really doubt we would the see the venom that is directed towards Clinton directed towards him. I guess the Democrats are taking the women’s vote for granted this election.

Posted by: alpaig | May 11, 2008, 1:16 am 1:16 am

The analogy is not far off!
Hillary Clinton makes Richard Nixon
look sane! Just look at those kooks
she has as advisors, Carville, Begala
etc! You can bet your house she has
an “enemies list” too!

Posted by: reaganfan | May 11, 2008, 1:35 am 1:35 am

John Mccain and Hillary are actually friends. John Mccain was quoted as having said Hillary would make a fantastic president. Hillary Clinton said she considered John Mccain to be one of her best friends. For a moderate like myself McCain is a great option over the far left racist Obama.

Posted by: hip | May 11, 2008, 1:41 am 1:41 am

At least the republicans haven’t bashed me for being a woman. Hillary or McCain 2008

Posted by: Joy | May 11, 2008, 1:43 am 1:43 am

Mcain has a tremendous amount of respect in Washinton. I wouldn’t be surprised if this isn’t all just a backroom deal to let him have 4 years.

Posted by: ok4now | May 11, 2008, 1:52 am 1:52 am

In 76 years we Democrats have only elected 3 Presidents. We have never elected a Liberal Leftist. We ran Kerry,lost,we ran Dukakis,lost,Kennedy campaigned against Carter but lost at the convention. Obama is #1 Leftest of all Senators in 2007. We have to win this election with Hillary Clinton. Since 1492 we have never elected a women leader, yet we watch Women lead nations all over the world. We preach to other countries to give equal rights to women ,yet we do not. The black man won the right to vote in 1870 while the black and white women waited another 50 years.On Aug. 26, 1920, the 19th Amendment granted the ballot to American women. We wait another 68 years and this August it is time we at last see if a women can do a better job than George Bush. Thanks to him our job will be a piece of cake.
Regards, Make the U.S. Proud Hillary 08

Posted by: Martha M | May 11, 2008, 2:37 am 2:37 am

I think its funny some of the Obama supporters don’t think the Hillary supporters will vote McCain in November. WATCH AND LEARN!

Posted by: J | May 11, 2008, 5:14 am 5:14 am

Poster hip wrote: “John Mccain and Hillary are actually friends. John Mccain was quoted as having said Hillary would make a fantastic president. Hillary Clinton said she considered John Mccain to be one of her best friends. For a moderate like myself McCain is a great option over the far left racist Obama.”
Maybe McCain was thinking of Hillary as his VP since Hillary will probably switch party out of her anger of being deserted by her friends (superdelegates) and bashed by her own party.

Posted by: ablanche08 | May 11, 2008, 7:45 am 7:45 am

this is what the Dnc has been reduced to. Its no different then the GOP. How ridiculous.

Posted by: Carol | May 11, 2008, 8:21 am 8:21 am

We are TIRED of this
make up” ir-rial image.
She is really Monster and the feelings discribed here are real for her. And it is already in physical sense – Stomch can not stand this Impudent, Rude, vulgar wonab, who absolutely lost female charm, but left FALSE all over and ugly image of Whimsical chils:”Give me that, cause I want it!”
It a shame to watch, how entire country is dancing to pleasse her and to play this game.
TIRED.
She was named here exactly what she is, in pretty soft manner.
Time to tell her that.

Posted by: LINDA,FL | May 11, 2008, 8:44 am 8:44 am

to Jack – if You are devided, do not extend it to entire Party. You personally is NOT a party and Obama is Honest, Respactable MAN. Only low-minded can take this desire of the majority of populations as a race of race.
Think, it does not hurt.

Posted by: LINDA,FL | May 11, 2008, 8:46 am 8:46 am

(lol) This stuff is hilarious.

Posted by: Dems | May 11, 2008, 9:37 am 9:37 am

Hillary Clinton running strong everywhere! Now, Obama folks are running scared having manipulated many a caucus with small groups of zealots. Obama has not won a single battle ground state! He’s been propped up by the big media for so long; the plan was to rid of Hillary Clinton, because she was the stronger candidate. She’s still running strong. She’s 43 points over Obama in WV. Obama was mouthing “change” but he has always been the darling of big media and the corporate candidate. But the people in this country are behind Sen. Hillary Clinton all the way! Look, conservative political writers David Brooks, William Kristol, Robert Novak and others who were promoting and pulling for Obama and condemned Hillary Clinton are now turning back to McCain. All that was a big media ploy to defeat Hillary Clinton and but these guys are just about ready to poke a big hole in Obama’s presedential balloon!
Sen. Hillary Clinton should run as an independent candidate for president in the fall–I bet she can defeat both Obama and McCain. This would be like Sen. Joe Lieberman who lost in the democratic primary, but won in the general election! She could also get 80 million in public financing. Bill Clinton won a three-way race in’92, remember? Dump the creeps in the corrupt DNC!
Let’s hope and pray for Independent Hillary for 08!

Posted by: charleychaplin | May 11, 2008, 9:49 am 9:49 am

CharleyChaplin: I sympathize with your comment. It would be the answer to a dream to have a third party with Hillary at the helm. I fear, however, that she is too loyal to the Democratic Party to attempt such a thing. For me, then the issue becomes doing everything possible to stop Obama. That’s why, come November, if Obama is the Democratic candidate, I and my family (and every other Democrat I’ve spoken to, by the way) will do everything in our power to assist in the election of John McCain. Better a centrist Republican, than an inexperienced, deceptive, ruthless, divisive, and racist Obama.

Posted by: Susan | May 11, 2008, 9:54 am 9:54 am

Steve Cohen should apologize immediately to Senator Clinton for making such a sexist and divisive comment. He is alienating Clinton supporters even further by such utterances.
The only racist people in this nomination process are Obama and his ilk who have stoked the race card for all its worth and then scream foul if anyone criticizes them. Is that what it’s going to be like should he get the Presidency? For the Obamaites who keep parroting each other, please go to the source and do your own analysis – you are being hoodwinked and bamboozled.

Posted by: alee25 | May 11, 2008, 1:08 pm 1:08 pm

Kael’s la-ti-da latte sipping analysis reads like bull poop to this cowgirl. Alex Forrest is about seeing feminists as witches? Heck, no! I’d say it’s about not seeing women at all. Alex is a crazy, touched in the head kind of lady who is as desperate as a hungry hornet. She’s no more a feminist than HRC is a sissy. She’s not a real woman period. She’s just a pathetic, male chauvinist pigment of some fool’s imagination. BTW, JTP, it would be nice if you’d lay low on that misogyny you lasso towards HRC. Afterall, it’s Mother’s Day.

Posted by: Red Neck Gal | May 11, 2008, 1:09 pm 1:09 pm

We will remember this in the voting booth

Posted by: Adriane | May 11, 2008, 1:44 pm 1:44 pm

I, and I know a lot of other people, are so sick of reading and hearing the Clinton’s and those of us who criticize or do not support Obama being called racists. I am a white, educated white collar worker who does not think Obama has the experience to be President. My speaking out on that lack of experience, his short voting history and large voting history of just voting “present” so not to take a stand on politically sensitive or controversial issues is called unfair and racist. That his foreign policy experience is weak and that he has not held on meeting on Afghanistan despite being the Chair of that committee while he wants us to think he is all about taking care of the war in Afghanistan, if we bring it up we are racists. What has this world become if we cannot candidly criticize such actions of a candidate for the most coveted position in the world?
You Obama supporters do understand don’t you that the General Election will not be just Democrats voting, that it will be all able to vote for either the candidate of the Republicans or the candidate of the Democrats and that Obama will need more than just those that voted for him in the primaries? That he will need Clinton supporters and that demographic of hard working white Americans that you all think she is being racist when talking about? Your comments that you are with us or you are a racist comments reminiscent of the Bush supporters and Obama has even less experience then him. Obama has a great speech of hope and change, but he offers no specifics on how he is going to do that. Don’t tell me to read his policies, I have, they don’t tell us how he plans to effect this change he is talking about. He is not even sure on which income level he is going to raise taxes on, it is above $90,000, then it is $200,000, then it is $250,000. But none of you Obama supporters are listening to that. He talks about long term plans, but not about how he is going to help people today when they need it.
I also find his wife’s comments offensive, along with both of them trying to tell us how poor they grew up when in fact Michelle’s father made more than $42,000 a year in the 1970s
(most families don’t even make that today) supporting just two children and a wife while they lived in a nice community in the city near the University while she tries to imply she grew up in the slums. I am from a family of seven kids, growing up during the same period, my father didn’t make that much and we never felt like we wanted for anything.
Then there is Obama and his I grew up with a single teen mother (she was 18 when he was born and she was married) on food stamps. Excuse us, she remarried when he was five, within two years of her and Obama’s divorce to a VP of an Oil company. If she was on food stamps in those two years I find it odd her parents were not helping her out, but I guess she decided to go to school full time instead of working necessitating her to go on food stamps. Barack lived with his mother and new VP Step-Father until he decided at the age of 10 to move in with his grandparents. His grandmother being a VP at the Bank of Hawaii was not poor. She paid the majority of his education at the exclusive prep school
His mother eventually divorced her second husband, returned to Hawaii, obtained her Ph.D. and went back to Indonesia.
Actually, both of those issues represent quite a common theme in Obama and of his supporters. It is that the truth is twisted until it doesn’t resemble reality and then we are told not to question it lest we be racist. Just like I have heard numerous time that he went to law school and then became a community organizer instead of working at full time as a lawyer, thus he is such a humanitarian. That is not true, he was a community organizer before he went to law school, after law school he went to work full time as an attorney. His $12,900 a year salary that he talks about during time as a Community Organizer was a lot more than he leads you to believe. It was actually quite a common income during the 1980s and not considered poverty level at all. Do you all realize that minimum wage was only $3.35 an hour during the 1980s thus he was making more than double that and costs were significantly lower. Gas was well under $1.00 a gallon, rents were typically under $200 a month. He tries to trick you into thinking that he was making that amount based on today’s wages.
For those of you saying he got where he is on his own, that is a joke, he enlisted the help of Rev Wright whom he recently threw under the bus, of the Clinton’s to get the coveted spot at the 2004 DNC Convention along with their help in getting his Senate seat. His first election to his part time job on the Illinois Senate he sued to get everyone off the ballot so he could run unopposed. His run for the US Senate he had an opponent, but surprisingly that candidates divorce papers from years past came out of no where hurting his ex-wife and children causing him to leave the campaign so once again Obama ran unopposed. Don’t tell me that was unplanned. Now he runs for the first time with opposition and no one wants us to question him or any of his associates or actions from the past or we are racists. We are not supposed to judge his character or we are racists. We are not supposed to comment on his 20 year relationship with a Black separatist church or we are racists.
Hillary is his opponent in the primary race, it is not her position to prop him up or give him kudos’s. It is her right and responsibility to prop herself up and bring out his faults the same as it is his about her. Why are people forgetting that? Her campaign didn’t accuse him of killing someone like his campaign tried to push that she was responsible for the death of Benazir Bhutto. His campaign has been attacking her without hesitation since way before Iowa.
Hillary is the best choice for President of the US. You can call her and Bill racists, but it is not true and you all know that. You can say that made this contest was made about race because of their comments, but you know that is not true. It was Obama’s campaign that sent out a four page press release bringing racism into the primary to all the press outlets before the SC vote and then denied it until it was put into Obama’s face, then he said in hindsight that was probably not a good thing to do in one of the debates. But he did not say he was sorry or elaborate on it. Obama’s campaign is the one that made this campaign about race, not the Clinton’s. The Clinton’s have fought for equality all their lives and to dismiss them with the slander that is now being done is a travesty. Bottom line, Obama won’t win in a General Election, he, his campaign and his supporters have alienated too many of the people they would need to vote for him with their lies and trash talk.

Posted by: Danielle | May 11, 2008, 1:52 pm 1:52 pm

It is hard for me to acknowledge recent attitudes I am seeing in myself, they are foreign to me. I am a 48 year old white middle class educated white collar worker. I have hired many black people over whites in my management position, not because of skin color but because I thought they were the best candidate for the position. I have voted for black political candidates. I have had black friends who I shared holidays with. In other words I have always been color blind. But, yesterday I read Bob Herbert’s column, and started thinking about comments from Obama supporters and prominent black commentators and politicians such Clyburn, Roland Martin’s trashing of Hillary on a daily basis on CNN, Rep Lewis changing his vote from Hillary to Obama in SC because he felt pressured, then seeing a video of Sheila Jackson-Lee being booed by a group of blacks because she supports Hillary, now this black Senator from NJ getting behind Obama due to threats to his position by the black caucus, Jesse Jackson Jr, Obama’s co-chair, and his racist remarks against Hillary and saying she didn’t care about Katrina, that Bill Clinton needs to butt out and shouldn’t be a part of the campaign supporting his wife, then there is Rev Wright and his black separatism and hate whitey remarks who Obama supported for 20 years until it started to hurt his campaign, on top of it all Michelle Obama’s comments about not being proud of America in the past, her comments about there “ain’t no blacks in Iowa,” and her saying it is “our turn now,” followed by him allowing his campaign to attack Hillary viciously while he tried to stay above it all and say he never attacked her, and then his campaign’s four page press release to all the media outlets before SC trying to tarnish the Clinton’s as racists which Obama denied until it was put in his face at a debate at which time he said in hindsight that was probably not a good thing to do while never offering an apology or elaborate on why he did it and I realized that I am starting to get an attitude towards black people that I never had in the past.
I don’t think Obama is qualified for the position of President. I don’t think he has enough experience. His resume is too thin. He never votes on politically sensitive or controversial issues lest he has to explain his position. But all along I thought that after a term in the Senate it may be a good time for him to run. Now I realize that I cannot vote for him no matter what, ever, he is too divisive. Not only did he forever lose my vote, but he has me questioning the ideals I always had in my life and my attitudes towards black people that I never harbored. He has pushed racial relations with his actions back more than 40 years, the actions of his campaign, and the actions of his supporters by calling everyone a racist for questioning him. It is sad that one man could do so much damage in the USA that took so many years to change.
BTW, don’t try to tell us Obama doesn’t realize he needs those white votes or else why would he be out drinking beers, which he hates, and bowling and all those other pandering things that he has been doing? Hillary was talking about demographics and Obama can’t win in the general election without the people she is talking about. The people that voted for him in the primary are not enough to win him the WH.

Posted by: Danielle | May 11, 2008, 2:01 pm 2:01 pm

Danielle made one of the best posts I’ve seen on here in six months.
for Obama supporters, it’s all about your boy. You don’t care about the democratic party at all.
you have ruined the chance for the demos to win this fall. you have divided the party.
thanks a lot you radicals, not only for another Republican president, but you have destroyed the Democratic party as we know it.

Posted by: ' | May 11, 2008, 2:38 pm 2:38 pm

alee25, we recognize it and because of that, we are helping others to see it too. My husband, friends and relatives have all changed from Obama at first, to Hillary. This is an example of the Obama strategy since the beginning and Jake was great enough to slip it in. Poor Jake, you know Obamas are going to rip him for it. To Danielle, it’s okay, I am half black and I am so worried that most white non racists will become racists due to Obama’s tactics. I know a lot of black people who do not support him precisely because of his race bating. He and all the supporters who rush to him (90% black) make us blacks seem petty and superficial. That’s why none of them could state anything about him other than he’s not old and so he’s change. Many of us do think and make decisions without race as a qualifying factor.

Posted by: irma | May 11, 2008, 9:28 pm 9:28 pm

Hey Cohen, too late! We already know it was a “talking point” that you went along with. Wow, the Obama camp is full of old people with poor judgement. This is change?

Posted by: irma | May 11, 2008, 9:32 pm 9:32 pm

It seems like a ton of nonsense in this comment thread. The three choices are the past, the same or the future. having lived through the past, I don’t need to go back there and more of the same sounds stupid to me. Why waste the next four years fighting old battles with our best fighter? We probably won’t get anywhere while we’re fighting and the future we held back will arrive anyway. I myself think we should move forward now. Just my 2 cents, Peace

Posted by: Willy T Patriot | May 12, 2008, 11:40 am 11:40 am

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